balance-feedback-discussion

[slim dragon]

If it was something inconsequential, like, hypsi, I wouldn't care
But deino is anyrhing but inconsequential

[leaden remnant]

reliant on luck

[viscid mica]

Gateway will provide

[fiery shard]

ye

[warm flax]

it is hilarious ppl will drown themselves immediately (well it took 5 mins+ to ran out of O2) when they discovered they spawned in NE lake/ E lake or the middle of the swamp
and if they unfortunately spawned in the same area they can eat their previous body

[jade prairie]

i really do not get the issue with deinos being able to eat shoaling fish

[leaden remnant]

nah it wont

it doesn't provide, it takes away

[jade prairie]

also like... it sounds like youve had excellent luck. i once spent a whole, real life week playing deino in the delta, when the servers were full almost all of the time and do you want to take a guess at how many players i spotted in that time?

[dusky surge]

they can. it just shouldnt be sufficient food for an adult

[viscid mica]

Only thing taking away from me is the endless dibble cera mix packs

[fiery shard]

zero i think

[leaden remnant]

3

[jade prairie]

yup <3 not a player. in a full real like week, when the servers are full and playing for 6+ hours a day

you can only rely on other players if youre lucky

[fiery shard]

yeeeee. because I haven't seen anyone outside of HT servers on delta

[leaden remnant]

delta is completely dead excepting in ht

where it's only maias, either you kill the small ones or wait till you're 7.6 tons (fg)

it's really just not it

[viscid mica]

I can tell you on NA tons are by delta

I myself have been apart of multiple large group of tenos nesting at the delta

[fiery shard]

well. It's NA. on the EU, the delta is an unpopular. sadly

[viscid mica]

Of course from my time playing eu you guys don’t experience as much mix packing as we do either

[warm flax]

there are some activites in HT ,caught like 7 maia and a stego there

I play both NA and EU as fg deino( got like 150 ping in Eu, still playable)

the problem is it is either filled with ppl or totally dead

[jade prairie]

and deino is already restricted to freshwater. it should not be restricted to only being in sp river and hl lake - neither of which, i should add, are spawn points for crocs

and btw i do think that all of the carnivores should be able to survive off of ai - perhaps not get all of their diet but not starve? yes

[warm flax]

plus highland and SP feel really cheap..... they all know there is a deino there

[fiery shard]

playing deino now is a constant movement across the map. and small fish were essential for that. i can't go to a lake and catch someone there right away. i'm gonna wait players at least an hour

[fiery shard]

looks like I'm gonna have to go on NA servers. haha

[warm flax]

and ai now spawn after a player enter that zone, it takes fron 30 min to an hr
a fg deino stomach can only sustain like 1hr 30 min

[fiery shard]

ye. if it was 100%. now I'm at ~10%. apparently I have to find players in 10 minutes. i just had no way of knowing I'd be out of fish

[viscid mica]

Um you can get salt water perks

[jade prairie]

you are still freshwater bound because there is no food in the salt

salt lets you travel, yes, but you cant live in the ocean as deino

[viscid mica]

Not well for sure

[vale brook]

doesnt this just recreate the issue in legacy where food is functionally doordashed to your carnivore and you can grow pretty much anything without much thought

if rex can be grown solely off ai to keep it sustained i fear we have majorly lost the plot

[gaunt sequoia]

If its true its 0.3% on HT then that is way too low. max 5% per fish is acceptable. It's still an issue with AI spawns.

[vale brook]

i think 1% is a fine alternative

enough to sustain you for an extra 20ish minutes or so due to deinos long hunger time but not really enough to keep you alive in the long run

[leaden remnant]

ai has to be enough to sustain you (not feed you like a king) as a deino

spending 6 hours to grow something and then dying because there wasn't anything else for you to do is just not good at all

[crimson crater]

fr

[cosmic pelican]

Deino kit adjustment when

[crimson crater]

rivers being connected when is the real question

[cosmic pelican]

just nerfing water based mutations would already do wonders tbh

reabsorption just makes it so you basically never have to drink lmao

it should HEAVILY scale with size

so the 6T lumbering behemot cant go its entire life without drinking

[leaden remnant]

acceptable deino gameplay when 😭

or well not acceptable but reasonable

[jade prairie]

What i could understand would be completely removing ai from apexes diet and adding all playables to it
But why deino cant not have fish to sustain them is because deinos are waterbound. We cant run out the water after our prey like a rex. We cant follow our prey to their migrations and hotspots like a rex. We are completely reliant on our prey coming to us and we cannot be certain of that happening

[leaden remnant]

deino is too restricted to also be starved

[jade prairie]

A deino catching prey is 90% luck and maybe 10% skill

[leaden remnant]

specially considering the uno reverse in update 7, which went from a lot of protagonism to basically none

[jade prairie]

What i could understand is that if we had other aquatics that we could reasonably chase down and hunt that take some effort, similar to elite fish, then we could remove shoaling fish
But deino needs some reliable food

[viscid mica]

If they made it so it didn’t rain every 5 minutes for for as long as it does on HT it wouldn’t be a problem

[leaden remnant]

reabsorption isn't an issue for deinos tho

you can drink wherever you want, there's barely any deino risk

[minor zealot]

@west plank while stego does have a bad bit hox that video was a ping issue on the stegos side. you were most likely closer on their screen

[mortal raptor]

@onyx lichen they changed the grapple size threshold to 101% instead of 65% so the carno weight increase would make carno require 4 omnis to pounce for a grapple

cant really blame you for that on account of how they made that change after your suggestion tho lol

[uncut trellis]

Honestly not opposed to that, especially for the small game hunter everyone seemingly wants it to be, harder to pin without wearing it down first, Omnis could kill it before grapple anyway

[worthy steeple]

you know, its nice when the biggest and the strongest apex in the game cant sustain itslef with just eating ai all the time.

there's literally nothing that can kill a deino, it was really easy to grow as well.

like the only thing that can kill a deino is just another deino

and im glad they cant survive and grow just eating AI.

theres deinos camping ponds around the map where there's no safe spots to drink, now the problem is fixed finally

its annoying when you cant even drink from the only water source in a region

[fiery shard]

nice joke

[warm flax]

guess what ppl who played deino all the time when they learn they can't survive through ai
they are all gonna move to your precious hot spot because its "necessary"
sure, lots of cannibalism will happen but it won't change they snap you from the so called "only drinking spot"

[keen plover]

i mean if it gets too annoying you can always just get either reabsorption or saltwater mutation. Most hotspots have salt water or safe water nearby anyways

[warm flax]

then I don't get ppl compalining about deino then.
take west access pond for example, if you hide and observe for like 5-10min you can definitely spot if there is a deino in there

it can easily been fix by adding shallower pond there

[keen plover]

The only deino complaint I have is how easy it was to sustain one. Other than that, I think it was fine. Turn stuff needs fixing of course.

[jade prairie]

Also even if there are deino there... there are easy ways to avoid them. Like the saltwater mutation as mentioned. Or water from food + reabsorb. Or even just drinking from behind the log

[keen plover]

Last patch was too easy. Right now it might be a bit overkill

But schooling fish was also way too free. Spawn near you if you're in water. They also don't flee or fight back. I don't think it should ever give that much

[warm flax]

then maybe revert to the old setting where schooling fish dont provide carbs, just 5% food per fish

it can slower their growth

[dusky surge]

i agree deino is too hard now, but that means now's the perfect time to give it some long-needed buffs

[warm flax]

not 0.3% per fish

and we got other big boi semi aquatic creature comming

they will need elite fish/ schooling fish as their main diet too

[fiery shard]

now fish don't give nutrients. i rly don't understand why this 0.3% nerf is necessary

[warm flax]

just cancel schooling fish's nutrient alone can promote a lot of cannibalism for those want a quick growth

[keen plover]

I don't think schooling fish should be the main way to feed a deino. I'd much rather they add some other ai. Maybe even boost the food yield of elite fish as they at least can flee. Although it would be nice if the ai was a bit smarter lol

I do agree that deino is very unfun though

[warm flax]

but if you simply tune elite fish number up to 100, beipi players will be really mad ,lol

[keen plover]

Beipi isn't meant to be grabbed by them

[fiery shard]

i agree. we need other water ai. just add them first and then do fish nerf

[keen plover]

I can agree with this. It is a bit sad that all it got was a nerf on its main food supply on such a large map

[warm flax]

deino is a waiting ambush predator, but current seting forces it to roam all across the map and all ended up in the hot spot

[keen plover]

Yeah. It still needs work

I hope they give it something. I'm assuming they'll need larger ai to feed spinos and such anyways

Sucho as well

Schooling fish seems to be for beipi, herrera, ptera and juvi deinos

As it was capped to 10kg

[fiery shard]

i didn't starve to death today because cheating cera killed teno and maias. that's not how it should be rly

[warm flax]

and ppl arent mad about the hackers, lul
nowdays I play deino more like a scavenger clearing the mess they made

[fiery shard]

same

[dusky surge]

will also probably for austro too

which means we'll have a good amount of critters that actually thrive off schooling fish

[keen plover]

Yeah

[warm flax]

and another thing want to mention
if you see or smell some corpse killed by deino near water, you can simply just leave or drink elsewhere
but if a cera or a dilo pack decide to wipe out all living things they see it is hard to avoid.

[keen plover]

don't get me started on dilo and cera

[warm flax]

sick of hearing dilos in HT btw

[worthy steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/waah-waah-gif-23038006

it will change a lot, you clearly didn’t read my message, as i said we will see less deinos in random ponds around the map, now they will stay in the rivers how it suppose to be

since its probably the only spot they can successfully hunt other players

[fiery shard]

no. deinos will just recognize the actual hotspots and go there

[worthy steeple]

rivers and hotspots, yes

[warm flax]

when is the last time you see ppl drinking along the central river?

[fiery shard]

zero, haha

[warm flax]

played 7 deino on different server
mainly around central river and delta
all the catch and kill are base on those who trying to cross the river

[fiery shard]

i waited 3 hours for someone to come to delta today, lmao

[worthy steeple]

delta is a migration, i see someone drinking or crossing all the time

[warm flax]

yeah, and what about when its not a mz and deino dont have water related mutation
other playables can survive out side the mz
and deino's pz is usless now

[worthy steeple]

swim to the hotspot? there’s few

[fiery shard]

there are no hotspots now

[worthy steeple]

that means you’ve survived for 3 hours where there’s no players :)

[fiery shard]

cool

[worthy steeple]

who said that?

[fiery shard]

so I should have fish as food instead of waiting for players. right?

[warm flax]

nice, you have to log in to a full server, and hope the mz is close to youe waterbodies you currently at
otherwise you better just log off

[worthy steeple]

huh? that’s opposite of what i’ve said

[fiery shard]

i said. on HT I went through the entire map with 120/120 online. not a single hotspots

[warm flax]

how much time does it take from river delta to southplain?

[gaunt sequoia]

The nerf is too huge for fish. I've been barely getting by on the AI on low server, I think my suggested maximum 5% hunger is sufficient

[warm flax]

with its slow ass speed both in water and on land

[gaunt sequoia]

0.3 is far too low

[worthy steeple]

no, you literally said you’ve stayed at delta for 3 hours

[warm flax]

and oops, seems like ppl are in high land now, better crawl to there

cause patrol zone is somewhere on land and dont spawn food for you

[worthy steeple]

🥺🥺🥺

i genuinely feel soooo good when i see deino mains suffer

[warm flax]

yeah I feel the same when I log in and smell all the bodies mixpacker and cheater killed

[fiery shard]

bro I just went through the whole map literally 3 hours ago. in the south I only saw lil ceras, some maias on the delta and lil stego on the swamp. where's hotspot?

[warm flax]

still kicking thanks of them

[worthy steeple]

mainly south plains/highlands.

[warm flax]

if your issue is pond deino it is simple, just fix the terrain

I don't play pond deino

thought this place is for discuss how to balance the experience for both sides

[fiery shard]

bro, we suffer today and you suffer tomorrow. it works both ways

[worthy steeple]

why would you want me to suffer? chill out little man

[warm flax]

if you are mad about getting killed by some 0 skill deino one tap
I think the main reason is some part the map need to change, like southplain is just a straight river where ppl can't hide from deino's gaze
and west access pond need to be shallower

[fiery shard]

this isn't about u specifically

[warm flax]

other part of the map got well design river system (safe place to drink but still need to keep an eye)
but there is no food or ai to support the player so no one wants to go there

[gaunt sequoia]

I'm kinda sweating when the fish dry up

gonna log till more players are on

[mystic jacinth]

but he saw no one on the south exept literal babies, where's the logic

[worthy steeple]

south doesn’t mean south plains in particular, even if it was south plains i have no idea how they didn’t see anything there

but you’re just friend defending them, so idk if any of my arguments are gonna be valid lmao

[vale brook]

south plains has transitioned from hotspot to moreso a high traffic area where people pass through rather than stick around

but its almost never dead

usually

[worthy steeple]

it’s never dead

[vale brook]

it has its moments, i wont pretend it doesnt. it dies on islanders server every once in a while, and that server has a pop of 225 lol

but those moments are usually fleeting

[jade prairie]

Soooo then every deino (an ambush predator aka something that waits in the same spot for its prey to come to it) must swim to hotspots, which will now have every other deino in the server. Leading to all but, what, 1-2 adult deinos being killed?
If were meant to end up with functioning ecosystems, in which players are meant to be able to nest... how do you expect to maintain a population of deinos when all but a handful are killed by each other? How are they going to nest?

[warm flax]

and every other playables can choose not to go to hot spots and stay where they are because pz spawns food

[jade prairie]

Also, everyone having to fear that any water body can hold a deino is literally stated in the loading screens... we are meant to have them everywhere

[warm flax]

playing stego rn and I can stay in the same place till im 100% cause the pz is never far away

[worthy steeple]

wait what? who said that? who said that literally one of the biggest and strongest apex should be everywhere? was it a dev confirming that?

[jade prairie]

Its in one of the loading screen 'be cautious of approaching water you never know what can be lurking beneath' or whatever

[vale brook]

every water source can house a deino already. every freshwater section on the map is accessible to them with the correct forethought. however, obviously theyre going to go to the more popular drinking spots

[jade prairie]

Am i the only person who reads these things

[vale brook]

this can be applied to a multitude of semi aquatics

hell, you could be a juvie omni and that would apply to you because beipis lol

FG apexes have been stated to be pretty rare in the future, im assuming theyre moving deino in that direction now

[lilac leaf]

You as a deino player's unwillingness to move locations is not a fault of the dino itself, it's a fault of your unwillingness to move. Yes, you're an abush predator, but you STILL have to follow your prey. highlands is a good spot, south is, i've seen full grown deinos do super successful in some of the tiniest water sources on the map ( like that itty bitty one thats north of water access.. though i have zero idea how they have fun with that playstyle rofl ). Some places SHOULD be hard for you to get to, rather than having the map be like Spiro where it was just a conveyor buffet feeding every other playable to you easily

as a playable that when full grown can 1 shot everything on the roster except for itself and unlike terrestrial carnivores has a far more consistant AI spawn to help it grow ... forcing you to move now and again is not much of a downside

[dusky surge]

@frozen ibex health wasnt touched at all, all creatures have health = to weight, no matter what. It has always been tankier than stego, sporting 2000 more HP and a more resilient head hitbox
turn radius is apparently a possible bug and not intentional? unsure atm

[worthy steeple]

bite speed MUST be slow, it really should rely on its main ability instead of running on land and hunting stegos

and it also shouldn’t hunt rex

[frozen ibex]

deinos slow for a reason, and has incredible water drain for a reason

do i think it should hunt stegos on land?
no

do i think it should be able to hunt a stego thats standing on the shore?

yea

[frozen ibex]

i didnt say hunt i said challenge
no apex predator should hunt eachother as there could be drastic effects on both parties

[worthy steeple]

i mean, you tried, died to power swing.

deino is already op in water, it really shouldn’t be strong on land

[frozen ibex]

theres nothing to challenge deino in water wdym its OP

besides if stegos buffed to fight apexes that arent even in the game, why cant deino be

and no it shouldnt be strong on land, it should be wrecked by a stego if its caught far from water, theres no such thing as a croc without water

[worthy steeple]

it’s not buffed to fight apexes, what? tbf it’s smaller and weaker than it should be

[worthy steeple]

it should be weak on land ALWAYS, that’s why buffing its bite speed and damage is completely unnecessary

[frozen ibex]

stego litterly does 1200 damage on its normal swing and probably 2400 damage on its powerswing or even higher
thats enough to fight off a rex

[worthy steeple]

rex will probably instantly pin it to the ground, it’s only 6t.

but let’s wait for the actual playable first i guess

[frozen ibex]

without its bitespeed and bite damage (either can be chosen)
stegos can litterly just stand in the water and fear nothing

the dynamic should be similar to this instead, where deino beats stego near water but stego beats deino when its not near water
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lViH0FVGIG4

[worthy steeple]

because you suppose to drown stego, not bite it lmao.

and changing its bite force to 1000 is actually insane

[frozen ibex]

if we cant drag stego in to the water how are we supposed to drown it

besides crocodilians main thing are their jaws

theyre not ungodly powerful for no reason

[worthy steeple]

you can? if it’s swimming

if it’s not swimming that means you can’t, it’s that simple

[frozen ibex]

nobodys stupid enough to swim

[worthy steeple]

alright, so you want to grab stegos even on land? that’s ridiculous

[frozen ibex]

no

when did i say that??

[worthy steeple]

i just don’t really understand what do you want

[frozen ibex]

if youre gonna put words in my mouth dont fight this suggestion lmao

[worthy steeple]

i’m not fighting, literally i don’t understand why in a world deino needs 1000 bite force and faster bite speed? to do what?

[viscid mica]

@frozen ibex unless I’m mistaken I don’t believe deino is meant to be a apex certainly the turn and bite speed where abit much but brother ain’t him either

[glossy elbow]

deino is strong as is it doesn't need anything

[viscid mica]

Needs its water turn back atleast

But beyond that it’s fat chilling

[worthy steeple]

yeah, it’s probably just a bug tho

[frozen ibex]

deino is litterly 8 tonnes and has a pressure crusher for a mouth what do you mean its not meant to be an apex

[glossy elbow]

it is an apex but it's not one that's meant to 1v1 things

[viscid mica]

It’s not gonna stand up to any of the apex’s when they drop

[frozen ibex]

on land yea, but if ones drinking then it should

[viscid mica]

Like the Herrera of apex’s XD

[viscid mica]

Na your crazy

[worthy steeple]

i can agree with deino being stronger when there’s something to hunt it, when there’s something it will fear, when it’s not the only aquatic and an apex at the same time. but right now it doesn’t need any buffs, in fact it’s strong enough to kill any other dino in a game

[frozen ibex]

stego:

[glossy elbow]

Basically yeah. it's just supposed to ambush things to kill it

[worthy steeple]

again, why in a world you should fight a stego?

[viscid mica]

By that logic a deino should be able to drag stegos and trikes

[frozen ibex]

im not even sure if stegos a largetier or an apex

[viscid mica]

Makes sense

[worthy steeple]

you shouldn’t fight stego, if it’s in water just grab it, it’s that simple

don’t fight it on land

[glossy elbow]

it's not supposed to fight stego.

[viscid mica]

I believe apex but on more of the lower end if I’m understanding correctly

[frozen ibex]

i mean

not a trike of course

[viscid mica]

And do you know how that ends?

[warm flax]

I thought we are discussing about the food issue deino facing not who is the strongest

[frozen ibex]

dragged onto land and then he went back into the water
the croc vs buffalo is essentially deino vs shant

if crocs are able to do that irl, why cant deino drag stegos?

[worthy steeple]

it’s not even about how its irl😭

this is a game, it’s about balance

[warm flax]

now im playing as a stego and I cant find any land ai in my 1hr 30mins playthrough so far

[glossy elbow]

because that's broken and not balanced

[frozen ibex]

stegos broken and not balanced lmao
besides im not saying deino should win in a drag it should be 50/50 and a matter of skill

[worthy steeple]

i was playing yesterday, ai was literally everywhere around the map

[viscid mica]

To be clear it got away

[warm flax]

have you been to the east side of the map

[viscid mica]

No no it is the problem is there is no carnivores even in the mid tier to challenge it rn

[frozen ibex]

if thats your problem then suggest it

[worthy steeple]

yes, west access, south plains, east plains, delta, north east plains. AI is everywhere

[mint star]

Recommend deleting this

[frozen ibex]

im suggesting my problem

[worthy steeple]

server was full as well

[viscid mica]

Why?

[mint star]

Animal in distress, breaks terms of service

[warm flax]

animal cruelty, gore, blood,the things will get this shanel in trouble

[viscid mica]

Where is gore and blood?

I’ll delete it but I don’t think that meet any of these

[mint star]

Breaks rule 5 regardless because an animal is fighting for its life

[viscid mica]

It’s a video of a failed hunt by a croc

Like

if they feel any sort of way about that and play a game like the isle I have serious questions

[viscid mica]

It’s not animal cruelty it’s nature doing its thing

[glossy elbow]

stego is meant to be strong with fighting deino is not. deino is good at ambushing and killing things quickly through it's grab it's not made for fighting

[viscid mica]

100%

That’s kinda crocs whole existence

[mint star]

it’s an animal in distress, and the mods will crack down on it no matter what

I’m literally telling you this because they don’t care about the circumstances or the reasoning or the argument

[viscid mica]

I don’t see what the difference would be of that versus me posting a video of a deino yoinking a dibble in game

[mint star]

if it’s against the discord terms of service than it must be removed or the discord server faces deletion

[mint star]

if you can’t tell the difference between a game and real life, then uh

abracadabra

[viscid mica]

I mean I can tell you I’ve posted worse in other discords from yt that are affiliated and they are fine

[mint star]

ok

[viscid mica]

I mean I deleted anyways just to be safe but still weird

[mint star]

so what exactly was this discussion about

stego vs deino?

[viscid mica]

Deino being able to fight Rex’s according to bro

[mint star]

hell naw

deinosuchus punches down, not up

[viscid mica]

Goo look at his suggestion “1k biteforce”

[viscid mica]

Exactly

[frozen ibex]

ill leave it at here

[mint star]

yeah and it was just a cool thing for the trailer

this is like looking at a McDonald’s advert from 1995 and going “they GOTTA be selling that burger for $0.99 SOON”

[glossy elbow]

it has nothing to do with the actual game or game balance lmao

[mint star]

the only threats dinnersuchus would pose to trex is if a trex is trying to swim across a wide river and deino can body lock it

or if there’s juvenile/sub adult rexes and the danishsuchus decides to have a therapod snack

[dusky surge]

they need to cross water eventually, especially in swamp migration

[worthy steeple]

and delta

[dusky surge]

spectacle for trailer is pure spectacle

[warm flax]

now most of the playables can just ignore mz

[dusky surge]

you CAN, but MZ is still the best source of food for herbivores

[viscid mica]

It’s a trailer for showing off the game conceptually if that was reality in its current state apex’s will NEVER go near places Deinos can be

[worthy steeple]

people still cross the delta river all the time, and hotspots do exist

[dusky surge]

so i generally prefer going there for growing and sustaining

[viscid mica]

Everyone will run water reabsorption and slower water drain mutations

[worthy steeple]

and they’re also just yelling at each other, not actually fighting

[dusky surge]

lol true

[warm flax]

I know, but you will need to find ai to fill the gap

[worthy steeple]

ai is still useful when you’re small, it’s useless when you’re fully grown, that’s how it should be with the apexes

[warm flax]

the thing is even an gaint elite fish that you need to be at least 4 ton to swallow it only give you 5-6% stomach

and super fast

[fiery shard]

nobody crosses the delta all the time, Gods. ppl cross over the bridge or through the shallow near swamps

[worthy steeple]

sustaining apexes with just ai is insane, that’s how it was in legacy, that’s why there were apex mega packs. it was really bad for the balance

and that’s why sometimes we see 5-6 deinos in a same area, they just don’t starve because there’s a lot of ai

[warm flax]

back to the start we go....

[worthy steeple]

BUT NOT ANYMORE

[viscid mica]

Wdym we out here crossing it all the time on NA

[worthy steeple]

now you actually need to hunt if you want to survive.

and that pisses all the deino mains off lmao

[viscid mica]

I mean I’d like it noted as someone who’s played EU and NA they have COMPLETELY different play styles and map movement

[warm flax]

you mean gather at the hotspot kos everything? got it, i will play it that way

[worthy steeple]

bridge is pretty far away, people usually cross where they feel like crossing.

i’m teno player, i know. there’s a lot of people crossing all the time

[fiery shard]

i remember the delta being a popular place on NA servers

[worthy steeple]

my mz is delta

[fiery shard]

where do u play? Islander?

[viscid mica]

I mean like mix packing is significantly more rare on EU compared to like NA2

[warm flax]

usually the river from water access to central look like this if you record it and check if there is any living things later

[worthy steeple]

na servers are cursed😔

[worthy steeple]

i can send you a screenshot with the empty south plains. that doesn’t mean anything lmao

[viscid mica]

Na 2 and 1 and like must avoids they are where the hackers and mix packers gather

[worthy steeple]

i was on na 1 last night, died to mix pack 🥹

[viscid mica]

I don’t mind herbs with herbs and carnis with Carnis but it’s the 100,000 cera dibble groups that are annoying

We need carnis that can hurt dibbles bad to stop that

Allo my boy where are you!

[worthy steeple]

yeah fair enough, tho maia is bigger issue rn ahah, since it’s pack limit is 8 and it’s fast as omni

at least you can fight back now, the game feels so much better with the maia being nerfed

[faint timber]

Ahh, finally someone with the same idea.

but the problem is that there are some lines in the problem suki clause 1 denıo 1000 bite force, they do not accept it to life, the gamez X is the plus of its eating

people wanted Denio to be boring and just a busu hunter and never kill stego, of course we knew all of this a few years ago, before the 6.5 update, in short, I agree with you, but I do not agree with 1000 thousand, anyway, besides, probably the foreigners will not accept this, it is best to watch the death of Denio together when Trex comes.

[jade knoll]

3 herra, no fish/ai and only seen one other player.... is this a cursed existence?

[jade prairie]

fish spawn only if something is in/near the water - so either drink from it, stand in the shallows or jump in

[swift beacon]

#balance-feedback message
You're gonna want to find a solid hunting spot that gets semi-regular traffic, and fiercely eliminate any competition that tries to move in, both for sustenance and to reduce the amount of other mouths eating your food

Or play literally any other animal than the gimmick one-shot animal that solos the entire roster except Stego

[onyx lichen]

@gilded pier Large playables were intended to not be able to live off of ai

[hasty coyote]

(Except it also solos stego because the moment it swims, stego can be lunged)

[fiery shard]

there is no such place. it was discussed yesterday

some ppl tried to persuade me that always there are players on delta until one deino player came into game and clearly showed that the delta is empty

[swift beacon]

Feel there's a correlation between "places Deino can easily patrol" and "places people generally avoid"

Almost as if there's a driving force motivating people to avoid specific locations

Really makes you think

[fiery shard]

i've been to all the lakes except northwest lake. nowhere have I seen the large group of players they talk about. maybe we should listen to deino players? we don't just say we need fish and we can't survive without them. i've been playing on deino for over a year and I know when crocs is playable and when it's not. in this patch, it's not playable

[gilded pier]

I agree, it’s not like we can roam the whole map, it’s definitely not a playable Dino right now. It’s ruined. Even the lanky movment it has now is garbage.

[fiery shard]

yesterday some ppl wrote that we should go all over the map and not sit in one place, but we are ambush predators lol

[gilded pier]

Yea they must not know what ambush predators mean.

[leaden remnant]

well guess what i tried that myself

killed 1 sub raptor in 1.5 hours of constant search and chasing sounds

[fiery shard]

same. 2 lil ceras in south and that's it

[leaden remnant]

forgot to mention that i went to water access and killed another deino

[eager saddle]

Feel like that was the only part that filled your stomach….

[eager saddle]

Delta being empty depends entirely on what dino is getting played. Before last patch, there were plenty of tenos and I could always eat some. Now, I’m constantly starving :/

[warm flax]

im glad seeing maia , dibble and somtimes stego will visit delta due to the patrol zone being added

[gaunt sequoia]

Log in, 1% stomach, eat all ai I can find because no players and now at 0%

[worthy steeple]

skill issue, "ambush predator" doesnt mean you should stay at one place all the time, it means you're not an active hunter, you dont chase, you ambush and kill.
i have no idea how you cant find any players around the map, never had that issue, thats clearly just you problem.

[fiery shard]

it's not about always being in the same place. it's about deino not having to permanently move around the map. deino not omni/cera

[fiery shard]

anything to answer that?

this is what I always see on 90% of the map

[leaden remnant]

it was in fact the only good meal i had

[leaden remnant]

cause the map is dead

the map is simply dead, deinos have no protagonism which isn't bad in my opinion

[worthy steeple]

maybe stop playing on an empty server? alternatively play on petits, there's a lot more players on it.

and again, i can send you a screenshot with empty south plains and highlands, doesnt mean its permanently empty

[leaden remnant]

but you don't have to isolate and starve them

[worthy steeple]

its not lol

[leaden remnant]

it is

[worthy steeple]

we're clearly playing different games

it takes like 1 hour to drain deinos hunger bar? no way you cant find anything in an hour

[fiery shard]

empty server
nice joke. kk. i'm going to ask my friend right now to visit the delta at 118/120 online on HT

[leaden remnant]

1h 30

and yet still miserable

[worthy steeple]

its not

[leaden remnant]

fish giving like 20% is way too damn much but 0.3%?

[worthy steeple]

its just not lol

[leaden remnant]

it is

being permanently on the brink of starvation unless you get extremely lucky is miserable

[worthy steeple]

got at least few friends that still survive as a deino

[leaden remnant]

i can survive as a deino for really long times but if luck isn't on your side, there's nothing you can do

[worthy steeple]

just means you need to hunt actual players, instead of fully relying on ai

[worthy steeple]

ai is good for the juvie deino, it should not give anything to an adult

[leaden remnant]

as if you could actually get players to be around you smh

[worthy steeple]

how much you think a little fish should give 8t deino?

[leaden remnant]

1%

[worthy steeple]

it still wont change anything tbf

[fiery shard]

why should deino be disqualified from playing on a server with low online? why can stego play? cera? carno? maybe this is a problem that needs to be fixed?

[leaden remnant]

relying on ai should, in my opinion, give you enough to simply survive

the bare minimum required

[worthy steeple]

are you asking why the biggest apex in a game cannot sustain itself eating just ai?

[leaden remnant]

but when you rely on 50% luck and 50% skill and map knowledge, there should be a parachute in case it fails

[worthy steeple]

not for an apex

[leaden remnant]

if you word it that way of course it looks obvious lol

[worthy steeple]

yeah it does

[fiery shard]

i'm asking why I should be out of the game just because I didn't have enough players

[leaden remnant]

"are you asking why something waterbound that can't get out of it or risk death, that can't choose fights and relies completely on luck should have a way to not be destined to die an inevitable death?"

fixed it for ya

[worthy steeple]

its getting annoying when theres 2-3 deinos camping ponds and rivers with no safe spots to drink and staying full.

now you actually cant sustain yourself when theres more deinos around, you're forced to kill them or hunt other players

[leaden remnant]

there's millions of safe spots

you only die to a deino when you let them kill you

[worthy steeple]

not everywhere

[leaden remnant]

they have no protagonism, which isn't bad

this isn't spiro where you had to cross the rivers and deinos were really good at surviving and snatching players

you can have perfect planning, perfect baits, a perfect strategy, but if luck isn't on your side, there's nothing you can do

6 hours of growth gone

there must be a parachute for deinos to not suffer an inevitable death even when they play perfectly

that said, fish don't need to give 20%, but definetely not 0.3%

[fiery shard]

7-10% will be enough

[worthy steeple]

ew no

[leaden remnant]

2% max i'd say

[fiery shard]

well. not bad

[leaden remnant]

enough to avoid you the inevitable death of starvation

[fiery shard]

not 0.3

[leaden remnant]

not enough to feed you like a 5 star restaurant tho

[worthy steeple]

imo delta is big enough to catch somebody. delta is teno/stego/maia mz
they're always there. and delta aslo doesnt have any safe spots to cross.

with 1.5h hunger bar you should be fine

[fiery shard]

there are 4 fish in school. if one fish gives 2%, that's enough, I agree

[worthy steeple]

if the server is empty, i guess you need to log

[leaden remnant]

nothng you said here is correct

[worthy steeple]

yeah sure

[leaden remnant]

in paper, yeah, in reality, no

having spent 20 hours in delta this past week as a deino, no

[leaden remnant]

there's way more than 4 tho

[fiery shard]

i'm on the delta right now. online 120/120. there's no one here

[leaden remnant]

right when maias were spam 1 calling

[worthy steeple]

wait

[leaden remnant]

if you want deinos to only survive on players, give em a 3 hour hunger decrease time

[worthy steeple]

if you survived for that long, that means there was something for you to eat

[fiery shard]

3 hours like yesterday?

lol

[worthy steeple]

so how did you survive 3 hours if you cant find any player to eat? :D

were you eating plants?

[fiery shard]

one min

[worthy steeple]

terrible idea lol

[leaden remnant]

then let fish be the parachute i mentioned before

[fiery shard]

#evrima-eu message
cheating cera killed two adult teno and maia

i literally survived thanks to a cheater lol!

[worthy steeple]

what about today?

[fiery shard]

idk. there's nothing on the delta right now. well. i'm wait

[dusky surge]

one's an 8 ton carnivore and the others are not 8 ton carnivores

[fiery shard]

so a player should be penalised for choosing a 8t "dino"?

[dusky surge]

... if you wanna play an 8 ton carnivore, that's less a penalty and more exactly what you asked for

it needs to eat more

[fiery shard]

but in doing so, he is deprived of food and told to wait online. well done

[warm flax]

Crocodylidae is known for their endurance.
the documentary you saw eating a zebra or buffalo can let it hang on for over half of a year.
plus in game after you ate a maia which is almost half of your size, you can only stay for like an hour

[worthy steeple]

.

[worthy steeple]

.

at least read my messages

[leaden remnant]

meh, realism is pointless

[fiery shard]

again. why should I be penalised by quitting the game if there are no players? weight of the dino is not the reason

[dusky surge]

literally is. you're an apex

[warm flax]

yeah, so is the debate here tbh better find other stuff to do

[worthy steeple]

1.5h in game is more than enough

if you cant find anything in 1.5h you deserve to starve

[leaden remnant]

you aint wrong

[warm flax]

yeah an apex is highly restricted to water and most playable can just avoid drinking or cross any river

[leaden remnant]

you couldnt be more wrong

[worthy steeple]

skill issue🔥

[leaden remnant]

luck issue*

deino is luck based

no matter your skill, if nobody wants to go drink while you need it, there is nothing you can do

you make it look like skill for whatever reason when we both know it's not skill but luck

[eager saddle]

figured :/

[leaden remnant]

you can follow sounds, you can try to catch people, but if luck isn't on your side, say goodbye

[eager saddle]

there is a lot of good safe drinking spots too 😄

[warm flax]

and you finish any meal with in 3-4 bites, even a full grown stego

[leaden remnant]

ya, it lasts nothing

6 tons of meat should last for a damn long time

[worthy steeple]

nice

[leaden remnant]

hell, even 450kg of meat is a lot

[warm flax]

welp we have 1hr and 30 mins ,better find someone.

[leaden remnant]

and that's fg

the real struggle is when you're not fg but close to, your hunger drains way quicker and you get practically the same food as a fg

[fiery shard]

so many players lol

[leaden remnant]

i know right

clearly a skill issue for not teleporting players into you

[warm flax]

now I just log on to my deino / make my kill or pick up the body pile made by other player and log off

[leaden remnant]

i try to play it as strategic as possible, but even then, if luck isn't on my side, it's gonna be painful

real painful

as bad as a carno with vomit sickness on an empty server

[warm flax]

#general-feedback message

[fiery shard]

120/120 online

[leaden remnant]

might as well add that

[warm flax]

I can imagine spino being more usless than deino since everyone can see its sail from far away

[eager saddle]

average delta screenshots

[fiery shard]

i'd be very happy if the rest of delta wasn't empty but sadly

[eager saddle]

I don't get how this would ever be a skill issue

I can't influence the amount of people in delta

[warm flax]

it has been better lately

[eager saddle]

and I cant go everywhere the people usually are

[eager saddle]

Not really, now that teno is less popular I see a lot less

[warm flax]

saw maias and Dibble moved in
back in the past is tenno only

[eager saddle]

barely anything when its patrol and migration

the ''busiest'' times

[warm flax]

caught several maia herd crossing these part of the river

[eager saddle]

sorry but the exception doesnt help the argument

[warm flax]

just sharing some spots since there will be no update till the next year

[eager saddle]

yeah been there quite often 😦

I was writing some feedback I thought would make it fair, but I know people would just instantly downvote it :/

because hahaha deino broken

[gilded pier]

It’s useless to grow a deino at this point in time on this game

[warm flax]

well we can see examples here

[worthy steeple]

feedback is for the devs, downvotes don’t matter at all

[eager saddle]

thought the votes matter for it? 😮

[warm flax]

just an ez way for the devs to filter ideas

[thorn mountain]

I grew to 100% and lived for 9 hours (died to cannis) so its not useless at this point its a skilll issue on your part

[eager saddle]

9 hours in a row or in total

gotta specify, thats important

[gilded pier]

Unless you had constant Dino’s coming to you and feeding you, you did not survive for no 9hrs straight FG as a deino… and if u just so happen did get that lucky. Notice I said luck. Not skill. It must’ve been because u had a constant supply of elites fish spawning one right after the other

[warm flax]

you could have your deino for over months (playing it daily) like stegos, just avoid the cannibal and play hide and seek with them

[thorn mountain]

I travelled across the map bro

[gilded pier]

I bet you did..

[thorn mountain]

well alr

[eager saddle]

kindly specify whether it was 9 hours total or in a row ❤️ it is important for the perspective

[warm flax]

we all did that at some point and run into canni groups

[thorn mountain]

I Got fg logged then came back yesterday then today when I died

I aint spending what half of 24 hrs

[eager saddle]

so 9 hours in total?

[thorn mountain]

nah 9 hrs after I got fg (I grew before the update btw)

[gilded pier]

Must’ve had some luck with Dino’s coming to you, or like I said before elite fish after elite fish spawned one right after the other.

[worthy steeple]

you can’t be “lucky” for 9 hours.

it’s not luck, it’s called a good player

[eager saddle]

riiiiiiiiiiiight

[worthy steeple]

it’s just huge skill issue that you can’t survive without AI

[eager saddle]

brother not everyone has time to spend 9 hours looking for players that are nowhere near

[worthy steeple]

and Frolo is an example that you CAN in fact survive.

[leaden remnant]

surely it is

[eager saddle]

there are players that make pachy look strong. Doesnt mean its not in a deplorable state

[leaden remnant]

something waterbound that relies completely on player movement that you can't see, only hear, and has the rare opportunity of killing something when it's drinking (1 minute out of 50 ish minutes of gameplay) in an enourmous maps with millions of safe spots and with mutations that make you not even have to drink

do you hear yourself and realize how ridiculous that sounds

[worthy steeple]

it’s not the same thing. you’re saying that it’s impossible to survive as a croc with the current ai. and here’s an example how it’s very much possible

[leaden remnant]

skill can only increase your chances but it's luck what keeps you going

you making it look like it's the same thing as land dinos and we both know damn well it's not the case

[eager saddle]

what it shows is that the player sample of 1-2 is not justifiable evidence

[gilded pier]

I shouldn’t have to canni~ just to survive. If that’s what ur calling skills that’s irrelevant. I play to enjoy the game and make friends. I work 70+hrs a week, I don’t have time to be searching all over the map walking constantly on land… where I’m vulnerable. That’s just stupid.

Crocs are territorial… or figh over food… not just to be fighting that’s just dumb…

[leaden remnant]

apparently skill means teleporting people to you or something idk

or having esp at this point

cause finding people drinking at the river bank who you could not see or hear approaching aint skill

it's called luck

something that deinos need

[eager saddle]

and praying they dont know safe drinking spots

[leaden remnant]

also that

[eager saddle]

water access has so many crocs

but there is a massive shallow area

so gl with that

[leaden remnant]

sometimes

but hey if you don't find people cause nobody wants to drink, skill issue, you should've drained their water with magic powers and made a path to the exact place you want them to drink

[eager saddle]

clearly x)

[leaden remnant]

of course

[fiery shard]

8 t weight is enough to teleport players to yourself using the power of mind

[leaden remnant]

absolutely

[eager saddle]

btw

[leaden remnant]

that's one of the core features of the game

[eager saddle]

why is it that every carnivore can live off ai technically but deino cant even survive?

because haha apex?

despite the fact I cant go to hotspots?

[leaden remnant]

cause #wehatedeinos

[warm flax]

guess im going become so fat so I can create a miniature black hole and succ other player toward me with muh skill

[leaden remnant]

deinos don't deserve the treatment the others get, growing one should be gambling a 10% chance that you're lucky enough to somehow survive the entire thing

[eager saddle]

I just want to manage to survive (you know the whole point of ai?), not have my stomach full for 90%

[leaden remnant]

see? he gets it

[eager saddle]

also ty for the upvote on my feedback

[leaden remnant]

obtain as much mass as you can possibly get to attract other players to you

[eager saddle]

any tweaks that you'd suggest?

[leaden remnant]

really just obviuos

[leaden remnant]

which one was it again

[eager saddle]

#general-feedback message

thought it was a fair trade off

[gilded pier]

Deinos was fine before this patch. Is all I’m saying. They’ve managed to screw with the movement in the water all up.

[eager saddle]

but I can at least name one person (aside mr ''skill issue'' up there) who will downvote it

[leaden remnant]

it is in my opinion

i personally think that deinos getting a damn fest out of ai is stupid but getting 0.3% per fish is dumb

you want 3 dot? you can get it but at the cost of hunger, or you can get hunger at the cost of 3 dot in this case

sounds fair to me

[fiery shard]

I still remember maia started swimming behind me and crossed the river while I was turning around

[dusky surge]

because, again, deino is well beyond the size grade of every other carnivore

[gilded pier]

Yea takes 3 days to turn…

[leaden remnant]

the movement is not intentional btw

[dusky surge]

its like asking why rex can't survive off boars while raptors can

[leaden remnant]

rex and deinos are way different

so no it's not the same thing

[dusky surge]

they're the same size class

it's weird that people forget what deino is

[leaden remnant]

and it's weird that you forget that deino isn't a land animal

[dusky surge]

of course the 1.3 ton carnivores survive off AI better than the 8 ton carnivore lol

That's how food works

[leaden remnant]

and therefore is completely differetn

[dusky surge]

the question is "why is it that every carnivore can live off ai technically but deino cant even survive?"

and the answer is very evidently the size difference

[eager saddle]

That’s only 1 of the factors

And you know that

[dusky surge]

It is literally the primary factor

Unless we wanna make colossal AI just to account for deino

[eager saddle]

[leaden remnant]

if deino worked like any other carnivore, alr i would agree that it would be ridiculous

however it doesn't, it's p much the opposite

[dusky surge]

so you confirm that deino doesn't work the same

which we're both very aware of

yet we're surprised that it doesn't work the same when it comes to AI?

[eager saddle]

why are you ignoring the land factor

[leaden remnant]

and thus has different needs

[dusky surge]

what land factor

it has access to a unique AI, one of if not the largest AI in the game, that only it can actually sustain itself off consistently

we can forget that if we want, but elite fish are exactly that

[leaden remnant]

can't sustain itself off of it

[dusky surge]

there is no competition for said AI besides other deinos

[leaden remnant]

not abundant enough to do that

[dusky surge]

which it shouldn't

[eager saddle]

what's largest ai?

[leaden remnant]

alr then leave them to starve ig

[dusky surge]

elite fish

[eager saddle]

no way elite fish is bigger than boars

[dusky surge]

i mean... if you can't sustain yourself, guess that's how it is, but that's a matter of knowing how to sustain yourself as deino, and deino already has many options to sustain itself

[leaden remnant]

a series of factors, but predominantly luck, decide whether you're going to find people to kill or not

kinda dumb that i have to explain that

[dusky surge]

from immunity to rot/bones, the elite fish that is only contested by other deinos, the ability to one-tap anything half its weight or under, etc

plus, the longest hunger drain of any existing carnivore

[leaden remnant]

if luck plays a big role in finding players, there has to be a parachute to at least mitigate the effects of luck not being on your side

... which is fish, which right now doesn't work that way, it simply gives you a tiny bit more room to find other people, which, once again, is mainly luck based

[dusky surge]

frankly, every carnivore in this game feels luck-based. not that i have a problem with that, that's how it works, but idk why its so bad on deino suddenly, given when i play it, it's given a LOT of tools to avoid starvation

[leaden remnant]

if you're not able to find players due to luck not being on your side that day, do we just let the 6 hour+ investment (deino) to die?

[dusky surge]

scavenging/fishing/hunting/ambushing

[leaden remnant]

because most are luck based

in the previous patch it was overkill

fish spawns were consistent but they gave you like 20% per schooling fish which is dumb

you had a buffet everytime you logged on

[gilded pier]

You say this like deinos can go to all the hotspots.. on land is a hotspot they can just go to the top of a mountain and sit and wait. Rightttt

[leaden remnant]

but now, to get any food, you have to absolutely devour all the fish in the river

[worthy steeple]

all the hotspots on the map have rivers or lakes

[dusky surge]

sounds fine to me given what deino is

[leaden remnant]

alr so we isolate deino players and we take away their food

sounds like a plan to me

[dusky surge]

honestly i'd buff its hunting capabilities over that schooling fish bull

[eager saddle]

which wont matter if you cant find people

[gilded pier]

And all have safe drinking locations… sounds fair.

[leaden remnant]

totally not just a terrible idea

[worthy steeple]

tbf i’ve seen fg deinos even on no ai servers, i highly doubt it’s impossible to grow a deino.
there’s literally a proof that it’s possible

[leaden remnant]

definition of luck

consistently finding corpses thru 6 hours+ of growth is really really lucky

[worthy steeple]

for 9 hours?

[gilded pier]

Luck or straight cannibalism..

[leaden remnant]

well you tell me if finding corpses and possibly players thru 9+ hours of growth isn't lucky

[worthy steeple]

nice, deinos are in fact cannibals

[leaden remnant]

corpses that ceras haven't eaten yet

specially given how popular they are

[worthy steeple]

you shouldn’t have more than 1 deino in one spot, it’s an apex, it can’t afford to share its food with the others

[leaden remnant]

alr no nesting then

[eager saddle]

^

[fiery shard]

player lived for 9 hours I think on elite fish and died from a canni. amazing experience playing on deino. much better than my year+

[gilded pier]

So I shouldn’t be able to enjoy my game with my friends as the same Dino… so mix pack. Yeah no thanks. Make the game playable .

[worthy steeple]

this conversation actually makes my brain hurt, i’m leaving you guys

[leaden remnant]

alr

[worthy steeple]

it’s like we’re just going back and forth

[dusky surge]

tf does mixpacking gotta do with anything lol

[eager saddle]

thats because you arent refuting arguments

[dusky surge]

Deinos already get more food than usual off a single meal thanks to being able to eat bones and rot

[gilded pier]

It was said shouldn’t have more than 1 croc in an area… so what that means is I can’t enjoy the game with my friends that want to be a croc as well in the same area. So therefore mix pack to keep my fish and still be able to play with friends Read up.

[eager saddle]

bones barely give anything tho?

[jade prairie]

ngl i dont think any of the carcasses give enough meat

[vale brook]

no i dont think there should be deino megapacks

[eager saddle]

2 deinos is not a mega pack bro

[fiery shard]

ability to nest is like this:

[vale brook]

2 is fine but you said friend(s) implying there would be multiple other deinos

[gilded pier]

Take away the nesting then.

[eager saddle]

no no no dont you see? THATS the way to tp players to you!

[worthy steeple]

you’re missing the point (1-2)

not massive deino packs we had before

[eager saddle]

no one wants that

no one. Literally no one

and thats NOT whats implied here

[vale brook]

2 is fine, nesting and yadda yadda. i dont think its smart to have 2 deinos in a singular area, but you do you boo. however once we add a 3rd things go a lil wonky

[eager saddle]

how is it not smart to have 2 deinos when you want to nest?

[gilded pier]

This made nesting impossible. Hatch eggs feed the babies, die as the adult. Because ur feeding the babies “your friends” makes sense.

[vale brook]

nest and then leave. you're dramatically lowering the amount of food you get per body + increasing the chance that your cover will be blown

[fiery shard]

i'll go tell my friends to get out of the river or there's no food. it's not the devs fault. it's our fault for playing together sometimes

[vale brook]

deino does not feed its babies

[eager saddle]

oh what do they eat then?

[vale brook]

deino pops out of the egg with the ability to eat normal food

[eager saddle]

each other?

[vale brook]

i mean hey, i wouldnt be against it

[gilded pier]

Parents stick around. You don’t watch animal planet?

[eager saddle]

ah right, I forgot. cannibalism is a must

[gilded pier]

They even carry the young in their mouth for crying out loud. Lmao

OK!!

[vale brook]

great, why are we bringing up realism?

[eager saddle]

okay not counting cannibalism, what else

[gilded pier]

You just did’nn

[vale brook]

when

[gilded pier]

“Deinos don’t feed babies”

[vale brook]

they quite literally do not feed babies in game

their babies do not beg

you mechanically can not hold E over your child and puke into their mouth

they hatch from the egg with the ability to eat normal food, something exclusive to deino

[eager saddle]

okay but aside from canni'ing what else

[vale brook]

im not saying you cant stick around and take care of them. do what you want, but i personally would not risk it lol

[gilded pier]

So when u play a carnivore you don’t help ur friends with food n such.. ur an awesome friend.

[vale brook]

if im playing deino and randomly get the urge to nest, no im not helping them. you got 3 inherits, thats the perk of being nested. go out and do your own thing, you're not blowing my cover nor taking my food

[gilded pier]

Is that what you tell your friends. Ur on ur own.

[eager saddle]

what, aside from canni, do the babies eat?

[vale brook]

do you only nest in your friends?

[gilded pier]

Must be one of those that’s first to run in a fight aswell.

[vale brook]

why would i risk my animal to save someone else

if im in a maia group and one of the maia gets swarmed by 6 omnis, damn right im running

its a survival game first and foremost. sorry im not putting my life on the line lol

[eager saddle]

what do the babies eat?

[vale brook]

whatever the hell they can find. dont expect fresh spawn apex life to be easy

[gilded pier]

There ya have it fellers!!! Playing the new hot Dino that was added!! That’s the reason right there.

[eager saddle]

which would be?

[vale brook]

frogs, fish, other deinos, dead bodies in the water

[gilded pier]

All of the above is far and few in between. Lmao

[vale brook]

once theyre out of the egg, its not my problem lol

[vale brook]

then that becomes an issue with AI spawns, not deino itself

[dusky surge]

i found a lake with like 12 frogs it was awesome

[eager saddle]

dead bodies requires luck. Fish is only schooling fish. Frogs are rare.

in most places

[gilded pier]

It’s the fact that they’ve just completely ruin the deino survival chances. Lmao. If ur a herbi or land carno just move along to the migration zone then u may get lucky and get a kill/find some shrooms to eat. Heck even stegos can survive on just crazing grass… but we can’t just survive on eating fish. Make that make sense!

[vale brook]

i also have issues with large herbivores being to graze lol

[gilded pier]

If ur gonna screw one then screw them all.

[worthy steeple]

btw fish ai give a lot more food to the juvies and hatchlings.

forgot to reply

[gilded pier]

Yeah up until around 35/45%

[vale brook]

if smaller carnivores can survive off AI (which is fine, i dont see issue with things 1000kg and less surviving off ai), smaller herbivores should be able to survive off grazing

[gilded pier]

Then it drastically drops

Herbivore can literally sit in one spot and just graze and survive

[vale brook]

yes... that's why i said i had issues with larger herbivores surviving off grazing lol

[true ginkgo]

Got to say i'm not a fan of how everyone seeminly has long lists of mutations they want removed, but no one has any suggestions for ones they want added.

We're just going to get any mutation which does anything slowly removed one by one, until there is so little of the system left there was no point adding it.

[vale brook]

i dont really want the bad ones removed, moreso reworked into something more geared towards survival and less gamebreaking in regards to balance

[lilac leaf]

because adding mutations that dont drastically change the meta is hard. mutations should be a fun thing to gear the dino towards your specific playstyle, not a "get it or die to those that did" situation which the speed boosting ones are currently. EVERYONE gets forced to run like a photosynthetic + nocturnal + eat to heal build right now ( and again, those who don't will die to those who did ) because being far faster than the base value and having a portable medkit in the form of AI is extremely overpowered

i used to go 'semi aquatic teno', wader + hydrodynamic ( and then 'dont die to bleed if sitting ) and that was super fun baiting crocs and destroying things that followed me in water not realizing what I was. it wasn't OP as it worked super situationally and its primary usage would have been to get away from something I couldn't fight, and if I misjudged I could easily die to my hunter still / a deino ect. buuuut that build isnt' near as viable if ceratos can outrun me because they went photo / noct and any damage i do can quickly be undone if there's ai in the area so i have very little chance of escaping, very little chance of winning the fight, which multiplies if there is more than one cerato....

tl;dr :: you're saying you don't want these removed because there is so little system left there was no point adding it, but as it is there is no point adding any other mutation because you can't use them, you HAVE to go the Big 3

[frozen ibex]

i like how people experiment with mutations
semi aquatic teno is an interesting idea, despite there being such dangers in the water

[vagrant plover]

Same thing with Herrera, have no changs when a croc comes to them

[flint locust]

@west plank #balance-feedback message
Same thing here I dont know if its latency or just broken hitboxes but its happening to both of us now

[cosmic pelican]

Id blame the 120 ping

[viscid mica]

Lag

Plus bug that size shoulda 1 tapped

[dusky surge]

#balance-feedback message
i think he's mad about getting killed by deino

[vale brook]

possibly... who can really tell though. i mean, can you believe the ambush predator ambushed something?

[dusky surge]

#general-feedback message

there seems to be more evidence pointing to such a theory

[viscid mica]

@random stump maybe recommend changes to improve rather than whine with nothing useful noted

[random stump]

Careful though dont make it possible to tell

Careful though dont make it possible to tell

make it possible to tell

[viscid mica]

Dunno the 2 verbal vomits of whining is pretty telling

[random stump]

🤨

[viscid mica]

General feedback and balance feedback

[random stump]

yes

[viscid mica]

Do you really think the devs will even acknowledge your whining if you don’t like something why not be constructive about your criticism

[vale brook]

i mean he did what you said and recommended improvements rather than just whine

though granted, dying to a deino is just bad luck. just like dying to herrera. you can easily minimize the chance of being deino'd if you play correctly

[viscid mica]

Where

[random stump]

chance based death is an incredibly stupid mechanic that should never exist in a game where it takes 2-4 hours to hit adulthood and you lose everything upon death

[sage marsh]

Advice. There is always a deino in the water. Even if there isn't one. There is always a deino in the water.

If you are trying to refill your water completely at once you are asking to get grabbed. Your water does not always need to be topped off.

There are 2 mutations that help supplement your thirst. One refills it while it's raining the other refills it while you are eating.

[vale brook]

literally every death is chance based

you walk into an area, there is a chance that something there will kill you

[random stump]

theres a really big difference between getting into a fight and winning or losing based on your creature, their creature, and both of your choices

and dying because you drank

[viscid mica]

Better advice play abit and you’ll realize there are atleast 3 locations that deinos can’t survive at figure it out

B there is a way to tell you can see their eyes

[random stump]

if they're on the surface

[viscid mica]

When they are approaching you plus there are pretty safe places to drink in most bodies of water where it becomes a lot harder for them to lung you

[random stump]

they do not approach on the surface

[viscid mica]

Yes you can see them when they are under

But the best trick is to learn how what water is likely to be safe and what isn’t

And you can test water too

[random stump]

❌

[viscid mica]

Skill issue

You can see them right as they are about to get into lunging distance

[random stump]

🤓

[vale brook]

you can lol

[random stump]

❌

[vale brook]

https://tenor.com/view/girl-sure-jan-sarcastic-brady-bunch-gif-11590179

[viscid mica]

I’m gonna assume your new so I won’t be too harash take some time and learn the game before crying into the abyss about something technically avoidable through A game knowledge or B game knowledge

[viscid mica]

How many of those are on legacy

[random stump]

~200

[vale brook]

oh so it is a skill issue

i see

[random stump]

idk WHAT yall are waffling about with "erm actually you can see its eyes" ive literally never seen them once

[viscid mica]

So you’re telling me……. You have 400 or so hours on envirma and didn’t know you can see the eyes of approaching deino in the water nor what water sources are highly unlikely to have a deino in them…..

[random stump]

no, not didnt know, have never seen them. Because they arent visible.

[viscid mica]

💀

There is no helping someone who doesn’t want to be helped

[random stump]

and yes, ive tried drinking from water sources that are highly unlikely to have a deino in them. they had deinos in them.

[viscid mica]

The majority of the community will tell you they can be seen

[random stump]

like the pond nearish to south plains

[random stump]

Show me a video.

dont tell. Show

[viscid mica]

I’d have to go find one

[random stump]

then do that

[viscid mica]

Gimme abit

[viscid mica]

I mean ignoring the fact that multiple people are telling you they can be seen

[random stump]

The Bandwagon Fallacy, also known as the Appeal to Common Belief, is a logical fallacy that is based on the assumption that because something is popular, it must be true or correct

[vale brook]

you mean the one that's incredibly easy to get too and a common pitstop for deinos on the way to sp river? that "usually empty" spot?

[random stump]

yeah cuz i aint ever seen a deino in it for the 3 dozen times i drank from it till suddenly "oh deino"

and i dont think random deaths like that should be a thing. Theres not counterplay, theres no fight, no dodging. you just die.

[vale brook]

i still dont see how this is any different from herrera

[random stump]

that might be ok in a game like say... battlefield, since you just respawn 5 seconds later at the exact same strength. but in this? where its 30 minutes to grow a troodon and HOURS to do anything larger? entirely unacceptable

[random stump]

If you look up you can see herreras

and herreras have to aim

[vale brook]

just like you can see deinos

[random stump]

and you can just not go in the woods

and herreras dont esp you every time you stand near or walk aroudn a tree

[vale brook]

you can get a mutation and rarely have to drink

[random stump]

and herrera doesnt 1 shot carnos and ceratos and tenos

[vale brook]

i mean... it does if they dont sit down

[viscid mica]

Herrera only one shots dilo size and below

[random stump]

with a headshot, which it has to aim to do, which at that point i respect it if it can hit a tiny target moving at a high speed from that high up

meanwhile deino m2s in your general direction after ""sneaking"" up on you (you cant see it at all)

and oh well time to grow for another 3 hours!!!

[viscid mica]

Trying to remember which yt videos have the eyes agh

[warm flax]

have you spent over 30 mins in delta tracking player till they made the cross? thats what I do

[random stump]

yeah less of that more of "Oh boy someone came to drink time to 1 tap them"

[warm flax]

tracking the same herd, getting O2 back without getting notice

[random stump]

"this is going in my compilation!!!"

[viscid mica]

But you can

[random stump]

show me a video then

all of them should work since the eyes are visible right.

just find a video with a deino in it.

[viscid mica]

What you growing that’s over 3 hours other than dibble or stego

[warm flax]

just make some terrain rework at south plains and west access pond

[random stump]

exaggeration

[viscid mica]

Bet

[warm flax]

I think ppl complaining deino because how cheap it is to just occupy south plains (whuch is a boring, straight river)and the tiny waterhole at west access.

[random stump]

id respect deino alot more if you actually had to track people and be sneaky instead of just haha i m2 the non apex and it dies (:

[viscid mica]

I mean you do gotta be sneaky mind o2 and all at

[warm flax]

yeah, hope more ppl will show up at delta, its really fun trying to figure out where should I go in that gaint maze

sometimes I get bamboozled and they cross or drink far from the shallow cannel Im sitting

[viscid mica]

I mean this one is pretty visible but not a example of the eyes I’m not finding any shorts and don’t wanna look through abuncha 20m plus to try and find it I know I’ve seen it on videos before thou

https://youtube.com/shorts/qIHoRNQos98?si=Y71Zun-5LTiy03ae

[random stump]

clearest watersource on the map, viewed from above and not from the drinkers level

yeah duh you can see it

I wonder why the guy who got grabbed didnt hmmmmmm

[warm flax]

drinking while pointing your body side way also help you to escape when you spot one

or just claim you are not thirsty and let your party member go first

[viscid mica]

Burh all the videos mfers don’t even be looking at the water

I’ll have to make a clip when I’m off next

I know for a fact I be seeing them eyes especially at night with nv on

[random stump]

believe it when i see it 🤷‍♂️

[viscid mica]

Lazy lake, coastal pond are basically empty

[warm flax]

you should try a couple round of deino and you will know how to avoid being grab.
I mainly play deino and tenno to know the surrounding along the river

[viscid mica]

Safe spots all over the delta

Northern lake and dam lake are so big you can find safe spots too

[viscid mica]

Fr

[random stump]

honestly yknow what maybe i will

[warm flax]

another ez way is to hide and observe the pond for couple mins to see any gator getting their O2 back

[viscid mica]

Another trick is play ptera you can fly over water and see Deinos way better as you can see through a lot of water

Helps ya learn hot spots

There are 3 places that are almost a Garantee for Deinos which are west rail access pond, high land and delta

Jungle pond is super safe too

Jungle is actually the only place I have never ever come across a deino

[fiery shard]

deino are very easy to see in the water. every 5 min croc needs to surface and long to restore his oxygen supply. if u can't wait by the water for 3-4 minutes or go to a place where the deino isn't exactly there, that's u problem rly

[vale brook]

10 minutes now iirc

[fiery shard]

if it's 10, that's cool

[hallow hinge]

herrera is too overpowered rn

[thorn mountain]

wdym bro

[hallow hinge]

don't u think its too op ?

[thorn mountain]

no

its only OP to players who dont look up

[hallow hinge]

2 herrera can kill fg carno isn't it too op ?

and u cannot see everytime if u in jungle especially

[vale brook]

don't go into the jungle as the plains predator then

[hallow hinge]

yeah i should sit and die cuz of hunger 😄

thanks for advice

[vale brook]

... why would you go into the biome you're objectively worse in if you're hungry

there's multiple ways to get around the map, often enough rarely putting you through forests or common herrera spots

[hallow hinge]

u for real ?

[vale brook]

yes

[hallow hinge]

bro u sure u playing this game ?

or u just playing herra ?

[vale brook]

"i have a harder time hunting in forests. i'm hungry, so clearly i should go in there!"

[hallow hinge]

first of all this game has terrible ai spawn most of them in jungle and plains destroyed by 15 ceras 😄

yeah u definetly right i should go fight with 10 cera and claim my meal

[cosmic pelican]

@crimson crater

[hallow hinge]

please stop acting like everything is perfect

[vale brook]

no one said everything is perfect. herrera is just not as big a problem as you think it is lol

[hallow hinge]

if u compare with other problem yeah maybe not that big but still 150kg dino should't do almost a ton of damage at once am trying to say that

[crimson crater]

how are you gonna get hit twice lol

[hallow hinge]

i have played with my friend on discord just say 3 2 1 jump 😄

[crimson crater]

it’s risky jumping at the same time. herrera is horrible in groups

kudos to them for pulling that off i don’t see a problem

[hallow hinge]

with one good teammate its so strong

and with bad pack some of other dinos are bad too

[crimson crater]

how does this mean that herrera is OP

[hallow hinge]

can u say why not ?

i can say they are almost every time in safe zone

[crimson crater]

they can be killed if they come down from their tree, especially by a carno since you 1 tap them

[hallow hinge]

yeah carno is problem i know

but nothing else not much

[hallow hinge]

ofc u cannot chase like a cera ahah

[crimson crater]

ceras aren’t supposed to be good at hunting so it makes sense

[hallow hinge]

i agree they are like apex now

[eager saddle]

Tbf this counts for a lot of dinos

[hallow hinge]

dilo is even worse ahah

[crimson crater]

busted yea

[hallow hinge]

am playing dilo recently

bro i just bite 1 or 2 times and nothing else i just enjoyed that pacy die in pain lol

[eager saddle]

Ah ye cuse that’s much better🤣

I was sitting on a rock and the clone spawned ON me and killed me

😢

[hallow hinge]

i was playing raptor but i just tired one getting oneshoted

[eager saddle]

Tbf when food near tree=herra usually

[hallow hinge]

i know this game since map sprio

now everything is sooo broken

eveything based on like one shot people, i cant see long fights anymore

[flint locust]

Can confirm pounced a cera got sniped by my teammate

[thorn mountain]

dang it I did not get to click the free gift 😦

[jagged monolith]

Good Balancing

[leaden remnant]

damn 💀

[jagged monolith]

Pls buff Omni :(

[leaden remnant]

was it bleed pounce or damage pounce

[jagged monolith]

I honestly don’t know, it looks like both.

[worthy steeple]

ew no

it’s finally more or less balanced,
they should buff bucking and fighting an omni is gonna be actually fun again

bucking is useless rn sadly

[cosmic pelican]

buff bucking nerf terrain pls

[worthy steeple]

wdym?

like so they noclip through the walls instead of dismount?

[keen plover]

raptors can't hunt things in jungles for example. The trees and foliage knock them off

[cosmic pelican]

terrain effectiveness vs pounce

[cosmic pelican]

nah I just want the goofy 5 second knockdown gone

and a big buff to bucking

[worthy steeple]

yeah, that’s how it should be imo

[worthy steeple]

wait what cooldown?👀

raptors are very effective in plains tho where there’s no trees around

[cosmic pelican]

only because bucking benefits the raptor more than the victim

[worthy steeple]

yeah :(

[keen plover]

I disagree. I think omni should be able to hunt anywhere

[worthy steeple]

why?

[crimson crater]

it should have weaknesses much like anything else

[worthy steeple]

yeah

[keen plover]

Because the current gameplay loop against omni is hilariously bad. If a player has half a brain, the omni is functionally useless.

I've been abusing that fact for a lifetime.

[crimson crater]

they can take you down if they’re persistent enough

[keen plover]

Not with pounce though. Their main tool

They end up dying for it

[crimson crater]

they can, you can switch slots to avoid getting thrown off

[keen plover]

Run into foliage with collision > knock omni > use an ability that knocks them > kill them

[worthy steeple]

not at all, omni has the best agility, good omni can kill pretty much anything, it doesn’t even need its pounce.

and pounce being just one click no skill move shouldn’t be that op, it really shouldn’t ignore the terrain

[keen plover]

Waste of stam. You won't get any bleed or damage off lol.

[crimson crater]

^

[worthy steeple]

i’m glad they actually nerfed grapple mechanic, 2 raptors pinning a cera or a carno was insane

[crimson crater]

you will but like i said it’ll take a long amount of time, just have to be persistent lol.

[worthy steeple]

the way balance works is all the advantages should be situational, you can’t be strong in every scenario

basically how ceratos body buff works, it would be insane if it had it permanently

[keen plover]

That was goofy and should have changed. Which it did. I just think the way to counter omni is boring and easy. I wish bucking was a lot better though

It's either die in the open or have 0 worries vs omni

[cosmic pelican]

mud exists, or just stand in water they have to swim or wade in, gg

if we ignore omni for a second, troodon has the exact same issue

but its even worse because it cant switch slots and is a guaranteed kill when knocked down

[worthy steeple]

imo bucking shouldn’t cost any stamina for the pounced target and should cost little amount of stamina for omni.

and 2 second cooldown before you can buck is really bad, it allows omni to pounce you basically for free

[keen plover]

^

I think that would be a good change

[worthy steeple]

ahah everything is better than losing 40% stamina bucking off fresh spawn 1kg troodon xd

[keen plover]

eww

[worthy steeple]

also i don’t like buck being luck dependent, i think survival game really shouldn’t have any randomness

[golden coral]

@keen plover Bucking should not cost stam for either party. Remove the grace period, now that bucking forces dismount, it should not be any danger for the pouncer like before. Decrease percentage of chance/risk of bucking based on stam thresholds to encourage wasting targets stam before committing to pouncing mostly.

[faint timber]

XD

[hallow hinge]

i think omni is ok but bleed pounce is almost usless most of the time people go for damage, even if raptor is ok everyting else is much much broken

one dilo bite and u dead, one herrera pounce u dead, one cera charge attack u dead, one desync you probably dead too, stego is untouchable rn maia is broken and they always more than 4 5 party member in real game to pounce someone to deal good amount of damage almost is impossible

[dusky surge]

aint no way you think maia is broken lol

[hallow hinge]

do u think 4 ton herb should outrun teno and most of carni ?

have u ever play teno against maia ? they just ruin ur f life and u cannot literally anything

[dusky surge]

Dude teno destroys Maia if the teno knows what it’s doing

The recent nerfs made Maia exceptionally easy to fight with basically any creature

[hallow hinge]

bro u for real ? tell me how u kill a maia ?

and u even didn't answer about their speed its kinda like a big a*s buffalo out speed a lion lol

[hasty coyote]

Press the a or d keys, Maia misses an attack, you get 1-2 hits, move out of range, repeat. Maia’s agility is garbage, its attacks have low range and very long end lag.

[hallow hinge]

idk 2 of them is hard to deal with they insta stun u idk if they change this but that was bad

[thorn mountain]

I killed one as a sub carno when they were fg

[worthy steeple]

yes, i can confirm that

[worthy steeple]

lmao

[hallow hinge]

carno is already stong against maia and also dilo too

[thorn mountain]

and omni and cera and every other carnivore

oh yeah and herbivore

[hallow hinge]

most of carni yeah but not much other herb

[thorn mountain]

we have killed them as pachy A PACHY

[hallow hinge]

ahah were they afk ?

[thorn mountain]

no

maia is not OP nor is it good

[hallow hinge]

bro if u killed (them) as a pachy they must be sleeping or something

[thorn mountain]

or its just a bad playable

[hallow hinge]

maybe they were too new

[thorn mountain]

no

they were a good maia

just cause you suck does not mean the playable is OP

its like pachy bad vs new players stupidly easy vs someone with somewhat of a brain

[hallow hinge]

first of all keep ur tongue

[thorn mountain]

ok

kept it

[hallow hinge]

u better

[thorn mountain]

I dont want to loose my tongue

[hallow hinge]

even if maia is suck this is stupid to have that much speed

4 tons of a herb how can outspeed a land predator ?

[thorn mountain]

bad turning?

bad acceleration

[hallow hinge]

then bad balacing

maia is bad balanced

[thorn mountain]

yeah

therefor it aint OP

its good for fleeing in lines not dodging around to escape thats why it has that speed (imo just get rid of speed muts)

[dusky surge]

it needs that speed because it literally can't fight any of its predators. it's also the main thing it has going for it and its most fun element

[hallow hinge]

i didn't encounter with maia after last balance maybe too weak rn idk but this game has this problem

something is too good or bad nothing much balanced rn

[warm flax]

well...you are facing with a 3.8 ton herbivore

[dusky surge]

maia was honestly super overhyped as "OP" when it originally came out. the nerfs were unnecessarily overkill

another case of people not bothering how to learn to fight something and instead calling it OP till it gets nerfed to the fround and thus isnt a problem for them

[hallow hinge]

am not talking about just maia in general

[warm flax]

maia isn't great bruiser/fighter to its class, it rely its speed to get away from thing and trying to form a herd to stomp their predetor to paste

[hallow hinge]

dilo is so strong for no reason

otherwise trodon is still sucks

[warm flax]

well they didnt change much recently, just the meta change since there is a lot of chunky dibble and maia hanging around

its pretty weak against carno and omni

since it got weak bleed resist

[hallow hinge]

yeah as a raptor is easy kill

[warm flax]

and carno gets bullied by large herbi

[hallow hinge]

herbs hunts carnis thats sucks

steg is untouchable

[warm flax]

so they added the speed acceleration

[jade prairie]

wait how many raptors do you need for a maia to be an easy kill?

[warm flax]

you are talking about a mid teir closest to an apex, of course its strong

[jade prairie]

because i sent a pair of fg raptors running as a juvie maia

[hallow hinge]

3 is more than enough

[jade prairie]

my bleed didnt even go below 95%

[warm flax]

3 is enough to me, as long as they know when to back off and regen stam