balance-feedback-discussion

[leaden remnant]

fair enough

[viscid mica]

Another thing I realized thinking lately I’m not exclusively thinking dueling I’m thinking survival of main game branch and diverse terrain combat not head to head clashing

[sleek sierra]

Hehehehe it's fun to see the troll dinos getting what they deserve from the Maia! Lol Dibbles and mass hordes of ceras have roamed evrima killing everyone for months. Now the Maia has come and feedback is all about how hard it is to be a Dibble or Cera around them, and I love it. 😈

[viscid mica]

@primal umbra Dilo is actually in a great place a skilled dilo or group can fight even over packed cera. Any buffing to it could sway the balance quite heavily as stuff currently stands just a matter of improving skills or #s game if you wanna chase mid tiers as a low tier

Only 3 Dino’s that really need any work in terms of strength or mechanics that being carno, pachy and dryo

[primal umbra]

i know, I play dilo and me and my group have taken down lots of fg dibbles today alone but its genuinely hard to compete with anything that has the same turn rate, and if ur solo u can forget about trying to hunt anything thats bigger then you

[viscid mica]

I’d disagree it’s a matter of skill at that point

It shouldn’t be a Dino that is super seriously threating to the big herbs anyway

[primal umbra]

you can disagree all you want lol, have you played dilo?

[viscid mica]

Tons

I solo hunt cera and dibbles all the time

I solo hunt them as troodon

[primal umbra]

the game is herbi basesd rn, we need an bigger carni for sure but the current carnis dont stand a chance against anything thats remotely big.

[primal umbra]

no you dont bud

[viscid mica]

Yes we need bigger ones not that the current need to be better

For their category and place in the eco system they are in a good spot

We just need the devs to focus on the bigger boys

[viscid mica]

I do I’m not saying it doesn’t take something closer to that of an hour

[primal umbra]

you do NOT solo hunt dibbles as a troodon, it would literally take hours, unless theyre small

lying your ass off for what 😂

[leaden remnant]

using terrain it's even easier for pachies to win

[viscid mica]

Are you gonna bring up a valid counter arguement to my points or just keep going after something irrelevant to the point

[primal umbra]

The dilo has smaller damage output, smaller weight, and smaller hitbox, it should def be able to turn faster to help ancomodate those things, yes you can solo hunt ceras and whatnot but one hit and you have to go off running and thats a fact.

[viscid mica]

It’s not

[primal umbra]

i can tell you dont play dilo cuz ur saying u solo hunt dibbles, you either spam clones for an hour straight because you are NOT solo hunting a dibble without making 1 mistake, 1 mistake and ur dead

u def got soloed by a skilled dilo player

[viscid mica]

You need videos of people doing it

You should yt metta she is very skilled and does it all the time

[hasty coyote]

The reason dilo turns slow is so it doesn’t just shred solo omnis. If you buff the turn radius, omnis have a MUCH harder time getting a dilo off their tail.

[primal umbra]

metta is not skilled ive killed her multiple times

lol

[viscid mica]

Ok and

[primal umbra]

fair point, but im saying buff it ever so slightly, not enough to outpace omnis turn rate.

[viscid mica]

If it gets buffed at all, it’ll become overpowered

Beyond some minor bugs with the hallucinations dilos are in a very good place right now

[leaden remnant]

it's already overpowered as hell

[viscid mica]

There are only three dinos that need any work and dilo is not one of them

[hasty coyote]

If you buff it enough to be noticeable, it’s gonna shred Omnis that much easier.

[frail elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/without-proof-theyre-just-an-empty-claim-explaining-cowboy-hat-serious-face-emilio-rivera-gif-13233069

[viscid mica]

LMAO

[primal umbra]

not sure if youve recorded it but im p sure ive cannid you, unless it was a fake of course, nevertheless ive been in one of your videos, and you did die to me.

[hasty coyote]

Plus, I don’t think turn rate is an issue. If you want to hunt something that even a slight buff would allow you to out turn, genuinely just pack up.

[viscid mica]

I get your a dilo main and you want your baby to be almighty I can sympathize but dilo really is in a good place with current Dino’s in

[primal umbra]

im a raptor main thank you very much. Ill still stand with my opinion 🤷‍♀️

[hasty coyote]

Like Diablo can only cover one side, just have one dilo on each side and at least one of ya gets free bites.

[primal umbra]

alt bite, Its not that hard

[viscid mica]

Your a raptor main who wants to get 100% destroyed by dilos is crazy

[primal umbra]

• dibbles in packs are genuinely impossible to beat

[viscid mica]

Bait it out

[primal umbra]

i legit mentioned "slightly" if youd use your eyes for once and read youd notice that

[frail elbow]

I believe you, but also anyone can show up and say they're anyone in my videos and there's no way to prove it or not.
I die all the time though, part of the game.

[primal umbra]

yeaaa but 1 hit and ur sent to dreamland, but ye

[hasty coyote]

It’s almost like alt bites have long end lag so that they are punishable when you bait them out.

[primal umbra]

Yeah, it is.

[viscid mica]

Any amount that would give it the advantage you are talking about would destroy omni

[primal umbra]

what r u on about LOL? are you genuinely dyslexic or incapeable of reading? reread what ive said, I never said to buff it to an omnis turn rate, i said to buff it to where it can get around a cera.

[viscid mica]

Like he said 100 times we need more mid tiers before we can look at changing most the roaster they are all in a relatively good place baring some bugs and the 3 previously mentioned

[odd pebble]

Just give dilo a better drift

Thats enough

[viscid mica]

The hypocrisy in this is crazy

[viscid mica]

Now a drift could be justified

But adjusting bros overall turn would be devastating

[odd pebble]

Yeah

[primal umbra]

changing the turn rate ever so slightly would not be devistating

making the dibble 3 tons instead of 2 is

but dibble is fun so i cant cry about it

[viscid mica]

But that wouldn’t help it noticeably enough to do what your asking for

[hasty coyote]

Buffing its turn rate even a little has a major impact in that fight. And any amount that would allow you to out turn what you want it to would be too much.

[primal umbra]

it wouldnt tho

[viscid mica]

Yall just needa sit on your hands and be patient for the bigger mid tiers that can push around dibbles easier

[primal umbra]

coming in 2027

they gotta add 9 10+ ton herbis before those come out

[viscid mica]

If we weren’t harassing devs to make needless changes over every little inconvenience cuz your preferred Dino isn’t 360 no scoping

[viscid mica]

And they are gonna drop Rex with them the embodiment of “get rekt”

[primal umbra]

you really think the devs gaf? 😂 mate their herbi bias

[primal umbra]

rex is gonna be slow asffff and have major stam drain but yaeh, rex is gonna be op cuz of the damage output

[cosmic pelican]

The nearly 10T rex will just dunk on the current roster lmao

May stego rest in peace

[viscid mica]

I mean it’ll be the first apex id expect that

[primal umbra]

^^^^ + its gonna be TEDIOUS to grow

[viscid mica]

I’d disagree I don’t think they have any bias towards any species

[primal umbra]

im sure its gonna be loud aswell so anything within a 500meter range will hear it

[viscid mica]

If legacy is anything to go by 8+ hours

[viscid mica]

God yes please

[primal umbra]

yeah theyre not its just a lil joke, but some herbis do need to get worked on but for now the game is fun im just stating that some carnis can get a SLIGHT buff to help them ever so slightly

[viscid mica]

I don’t think they need em we just need more of the better ones so they people don’t feel like certain Dino’s are so invincible

I do think carno needs love thou

Carno and cera should be a good fight not the wash it currently is

[viscid mica]

Revenge for all their hubris

[hasty coyote]

Dilo is already much faster, giving it the bad turn allows Omni to shake it off its tail for a bit before having to shake it off again. And dilo only needs like 2 bites at night and 3 during the day to start spamming hallucinations. Giving it a better turn means that it’s harder to shake off dilo and there’s a shorter delay before the dilo catches back up. So anything buff that’s noticeable in another matchup is 2x more noticeable in the Omni matchup.

Plus again, why does it need the turn buff? Just pack up to fight the larger dinos, all this buff does is help it shred other smalls much easier.

[viscid mica]

I forget what’s dilo and raptors max speed?

I’ve been playing Herreras for the last week

[steep echo]

46.8 and 47.9? 48.5? I can't actually remember dilo's

[primal umbra]

dilos max speed is 47 something something, it goes like 51-54 i think at 55-60% growth lol

depends on if you have nocturnal or photosynthetic tissue

[viscid mica]

Ignoring the mutations

[cosmic pelican]

Dilo is 47.5

[viscid mica]

That everyone is begging to be removed

[viscid mica]

Gotcha

[cosmic pelican]

Sub dilo is 50.4kmh iirc

[viscid mica]

Sheesh

Zoomin

[cosmic pelican]

Fr

[primal umbra]

seen how meaty them legs are

ofcourse he gon be zoomin

[viscid mica]

TELL THAT TO PACHY RN

[primal umbra]

Yeah but pachys half weight is on its head so

[steep echo]

isn't sub raptor 52km/h?

[primal umbra]

faster

[viscid mica]

HAVE YOU SEEN THEM THIGHS

bro is my best freinds dream fr fr

[primal umbra]

probably packed with tendons to jump

pachy would be devestating if it was as fast as an raptor 😭

[viscid mica]

I pray for the day of pachys return to the playable category

[primal umbra]

but it is an extra 50kg so that means its 10x slower according to the devs

[viscid mica]

Ya not that fast god no

[viscid mica]

Real

Not me trying to get it another 100kg or so plus minor speed and damage buff

[cosmic pelican]

Thats with speed mutations
Without its only 50.2

[primal umbra]

"only"

whats a dibbles speed?

wasnt it faster then a cera? cant remember

dibbles frighten me

[viscid mica]

Na they fat and slow

[primal umbra]

fat dibbles man

theyre obeese yet they move better then me

[viscid mica]

💀

[worthy steeple]

@primal umbra #balance-feedback message i’m at least 90% sure that was a bait💀💀💀

dilo is the most op dino in the game right now lmao

[primal umbra]

most of what i post is rage bait so maybe

: troll:

[primal umbra]

no its not lol

cera is nonetheless more op

[worthy steeple]

nope, not anymore ahah

[viscid mica]

Hmmm?

[crimson crater]

not at all

[haughty grotto]

my guy
dilo is the strongest carnivore in the game at the moment and needs a massive nerf to its clones
what are you even on about

[primal umbra]

clones have the same pathfinding iq of an toddler

get on a rock n ull be fine

[haughty grotto]

incorrect
you clearly havent played the game in a long time
clones now spawn on top of you, they chase you in air and water, and you cant attack them - they'll always hit you first
its completely broken
and btw they removed almost all rocks from the game, and most species cant jump, so idk what youre on about

[viscid mica]

This in horde test I assume

[primal umbra]

dont get hit

[haughty grotto]

nope its on evrima

[viscid mica]

Odd

[haughty grotto]

thnx, i wont fall for the bait this time, end of my convo with you

[primal umbra]

😔

[haughty grotto]

yeah... go sit in a corner and think about what youve done

[primal umbra]

m good mate

[viscid mica]

Na but he slightly right though not in a fair way

[haughty grotto]

Bruh a fight shouldn't be massively one sided after the first couple bites when the other has to keep hitting excessively lol

[viscid mica]

I mean what are you playing that it feels so one sided

[haughty grotto]

It can be anything
I play dilo myself a lot
Anything bitten 2-3 times is toast and the fight is 95% in dilos favor after that

[primal umbra]

no

if its night, yes, but dilo venom does instant effect raptor i think

same with pachy, 2 hits or more and ur gone

and the clones DO way to much damage but just dont get hit 🤷‍♂️

[viscid mica]

Pachy actually gets cooked so fast

[primal umbra]

ye its crazy

[viscid mica]

I don’t know I don’t agree 100% with this. I don’t think the advantage is that big and it’s not that easy to actually get hit by them you can easily dodge them with a little bit of practice

[viscid mica]

Real

[haughty grotto]

The entire unfairness lies in the fact that one side needs to fight with the same skill and vigilance from start to finish, whereas dilo only needs to do so for the first 20% of the fight and then it's basically won and can sit back and relax and cast a magic spell

'dont get hit' is the biggest bs I've ever heard because 1) the clones are broken rn as I mentioned, they literally spawn on trees and kill herras 2) it's near impossible not to get hit if you want to continue the fight (turning dilo into something that can bully and chase away anything in this game)

And no, you can't easily dodge them unless you're a raptor. Everything else is either slower or has the same/worse turning radius than dilo

[primal umbra]

legit get on a rock

[viscid mica]

Agree on raptor part but anything else can excluding afew select ones basically 2-3 tap a dilo

[primal umbra]

i mean

a dibble is obviously gonna 1 shot a dilo realistcally

[haughty grotto]

I'm talking to ziowar now, stop responding to me
You have literally no idea what you're even saying
There's no rocks in this game anymore and most species can't jump

[primal umbra]

so thats kinda expected

[primal umbra]

bla blabla another coper

[haughty grotto]

One more provocative bs from you and you'll get reported

[hasty coyote]

you do realize diablo physically lacks the damage to do that right? the standard combo: sprint attack into spar attack, only deals 500 damage. so unless it hits 2 headshots, you don't die. and the alts only deal 300, so dilo can tank 2 of them and still fight.

[viscid mica]

Ya dibble isn’t 1 tapping but they dam near are

They get you good and you ain’t likely to be continuing that fight especially if it’s a dibble that knows what’s up

[hasty coyote]

and thats to be expected when you're fighting something over 4x your size

[primal umbra]

allo... were calling your name

ALLO!!! COME OUT!! SAVE US!

[hasty coyote]

I sure aint, allo is just gonna be worse than pretty much any previous dino in the game, and thats even if its balanced well.

[primal umbra]

fym lol

its gonna be atleast 3+ tons

speedy hunter aswell

[slim dragon]

Why would allo be over 3 tons ?

[viscid mica]

Why wouldn’t it be

[slim dragon]

Doesn't need to

[viscid mica]

Why not

Rex is gonna be over 10 tons

[slim dragon]

That makes it overlap with sucho and alberto and leaves a huge gap

[slim dragon]

How is that relevant ?

[viscid mica]

I mean there are a lot of mid tiers in works / planned to balance out the in between

[slim dragon]

Which ones ?

[stark knoll]

Last we saw it was 9.3

[viscid mica]

Bet

[stark knoll]

Subject to change, of course

[slim dragon]

The only mid-tier carnis I know are planned are bary, allo, sucho, alberto and... megalania if that counts ?

[stark knoll]

And I can imagine an elder rex will be 10+

[viscid mica]

Mhm

[stark knoll]

Bary is probably cera-sized

[viscid mica]

^

[slim dragon]

Which counts as a mid-tier 🙃

[stark knoll]

And sucho could be much larger, maybe up to 5 or so tons

[stark knoll]

Tiers schmiers. This is why I don't like them

I don't consider sub-2-ton dinos to be mids

[slim dragon]

We should just make them what tiers ought to be
First tier, second tier, third tier

[leaden remnant]

9350

[viscid mica]

ON GOD

carno is a glorified low tier

[slim dragon]

which carni ?

[viscid mica]

Do you know what they planning to put Alberto? Is it also gonna be around same as sucho?

[stark knoll]

I think they meant carno

[viscid mica]

[stark knoll]

Probably near allo is my guess. They were mentioned to kinda be rivals/foils to each other

[slim dragon]

Carno is pseudo-low apex

[viscid mica]

_>

[viscid mica]

_> what

[stark knoll]

What?

[glossy elbow]

wdym what? how is that surprising?

[hasty coyote]

and thats the issue. imagine a dino as strong as diablo, but a good bit faster. thats what we are gonna have to deal with when allo comes. its just gonna be the same issue people have with big herbies, but faster and a carnivore.

[primal umbra]

mid tier carnivore = 2 tons or above, that simple

[primal umbra]

Theres no PROBLEM in it, i said speedy on big sizes, obviously its gonna be speedier then a dibble 😂 but not speedier then a teno or a pachy

[slim dragon]

No, mid tier carnivore is the tier just above huge-small tier

[slim dragon]

Carnivore=no issue

[viscid mica]

Was expecting it to be closer to the bigger ones they’ve found and hit up at that 4T mark

[viscid mica]

^

[slim dragon]

Wait who found a 4T allo
Or are you talking about saurophagnax

[viscid mica]

Have you ever been to a museum in Alberta

[stark knoll]

More like sauropod

[slim dragon]

I don't want to cross an entire ocean to see a misreconstructed skeleton

[hasty coyote]

you aren't grasping what I'm saying.
people hate diablo because they are too strong right?
now imagine they gave diablo a speed buff, sounds very unfair and op right?
A speed buffed diablo is essentially what allo will be.

[viscid mica]

There are 2 skeletons suspected to be in the ball park of 4tons

I mean I can’t be that mad at Allo and Alberto being dueling partners

Allo a fast plain sprinter with big game hunt body vs a Alberta forest freindly sized Rex

[primal umbra]

allo isnt going to be as strong as a blunt horn, allo is obviously gonna be a bleed hunter. You dont seem to bothered about the fact that the dibble itself is a walking tank but when a carnivore is mentioned that can compete agianst the dibble your suddenly in copium mode. Nobody HATES Dibbles because theyre too op, They dislike them because theres no apexes to hunt them.

and u seem to forget that carnivores have mouths and teeth not huge horns.

[slim dragon]

So upsized carno and upsized cerato ?
Sounds very fun and original

[primal umbra]

so it wont be a BUFFED dibble itll just be a big carni.

[viscid mica]

Na

Carno does need its weight back

But cera is fine where it’s at

[slim dragon]

That's not what I mean

Plains sprinter allo = upsized carno
Forest brawler ablerto = upsized cerato

[viscid mica]

LMAO ya basically

A Alberto is just a pocket Rex

They are bigger than sub adults smaller than real adults

[slim dragon]

But that's boring

[primal umbra]

people think that stuff like allos are gonna be fighting small time dilos or tenos

[slim dragon]

Every animal should be made into its unique thing

[viscid mica]

Size and shape wise I mean

In terms of hunting they are far faster than a Rex

[primal umbra]

they can kill them yes but allos are 100% gonna be optimized to hunt dibbles or their own kind, or albertos

theyre obviously gonna run under 40km 😭

[viscid mica]

They are sleek so they could weave through trees while being big and muscle enough to fight big boys

[viscid mica]

The 1s between Alberto and Allo would be pretty good

[glossy elbow]

it'd be nice but it gets hard with how many possible dino's we'll get

[crimson crater]

allo is a plains sprinter? ain’t it an ambusher

[primal umbra]

agree, it'd be sick, 2 apexes going at it for the throne

whos bigger tho? alberto or allo

[viscid mica]

And allos where not suspected cannibals

[primal umbra]

so..? you think isle players play by those rules? 😂

[viscid mica]

Over all Alberto but Allo had more muscle to em

[primal umbra]

i see

[viscid mica]

Never

[primal umbra]

it all comes down to the player then

[viscid mica]

Should hopefully

[primal umbra]

pvp in this game is all about enviorment

any dilo would win against a carno in a forest at night lol

but in open fields nah

[slim dragon]

If it was up to me, I'd make alberto play like a very angry dino on steroids
All about fighting things even bigger than itself, but requires high skill in order to not get punished into oblivion

[viscid mica]

Real

[crimson crater]

sounds like cerato ngl

[slim dragon]

Isle alberto is much more beffy than allo though

[viscid mica]

Would

As a Albertan and Alberto main absolutely give me the tech to run the 1s with Rex’s like in legacy

[glossy elbow]

we'll see but i hope so

[primal umbra]

gotta have some type of pin move tbh

[viscid mica]

I SEEK THE THRILL OF DEATH ALWAYS BEING INCHES AWAY

[slim dragon]

That's not how I imagine it
Cerato is kind of a tank, while alberto would be kinda the opposite
Sporting extreme speed and agility for its size, but terrible stamina economy
The goal would be to rush at the opponent and kill them before you run out of stamina, otherwise you're screwed

[viscid mica]

Alberto would go for the throat for than likely Allo where big pinners thou

[viscid mica]

I’d disagree with the stam they where borrial forest predators Google images of that these boys had to WEAVE

[crimson crater]

cerato isn’t tanky at all, quite the opposite.
what i meant is that it’s how cera is, aggressive, can fight things bigger than itself etc

[primal umbra]

make it like croc, pinning half ur weight or something idk

[viscid mica]

Would be down

[slim dragon]

I have absolutely 0 care about accuracy, this is a sci-fi game, not a paleo sim

[primal umbra]

gotta make the allo 6 tons then : troll:

[viscid mica]

Yes but for reference to make it better

[viscid mica]

That’s crazy

[slim dragon]

Umm passive bleed and fracture resistance, flat damage resist and 50% damage reduction when near a corpse isn't being tanky ?

[viscid mica]

Though the biggest body ever found was suspected 5.5 tons

[primal umbra]

pinning down dibbles 😄

[primal umbra]

5.5 tons is crazy

i mean evrima is known for not being that realistic on the weight part

sooooo thats that

[viscid mica]

Rex, spino, and giga

I hope they do giga right

Legacy did giga so dirty

[primal umbra]

yee, but i want allo to have some kind of stun ability

[viscid mica]

From what I’ve seen they are planned to have a pin

[primal umbra]

if giga is done right its gonna be a competitor to rex. im talking 50/50 if its in a 1v1

bleed hunter vs bone crusher

[slim dragon]

Not even
Looking at a google image showing alberto strolling through a forest doesn't mean alberto irl was a excluvie forest dweller
I can draw an alberto swimming, doesn't mean it now has to be depicted as a marine animal in every media

[viscid mica]

God I hope so

[viscid mica]

Google Alberta forest density

[slim dragon]

Yeah allo is getting a "grapple" mechanic
Probably something similar to a pin or omni's grapple

[crimson crater]

that’s under specific circumstances, wouldn’t label it as tanky. base cerato is pretty squishy

[viscid mica]

And come back to me on that

[slim dragon]

It's not squishier than anything else, it's just 1.3 tons

[viscid mica]

A omni grapple would be crazy

[slim dragon]

During the cretaceous ?

[crimson crater]

for its size

[slim dragon]

Omni already has grapple

[viscid mica]

For a Allo I mean

Silly

[slim dragon]

Again, it's not squishy for its size
It has passive damage resistances

[viscid mica]

Plus body buffs

[crimson crater]

passive damadge resistance?

[slim dragon]

Stego is suishy for its size, because it's the only animal with a special vulnerability

[primal umbra]

oh my godddd i cant WAIT FOR ALLO

giga and allo boutta be fire if theyre done right

[slim dragon]

Fracture resist, bleed resist, flat damage resistance (not sure if this one is permanent or only active while eating)
And of course the corpse buff

[crimson crater]

bleed and fracture resistance dosent make cerato tanky, just resilient

[primal umbra]

cerato gets 3 shotted by a dibble the resistances are not good

its the same weight aka HP as a carno

and you know how awful carno is 😭

[slim dragon]

Dibble is big with a huge damage output

[viscid mica]

Trike is gonna go crazy

[primal umbra]

yes, exactly, thats why we need a carni thats big with a huge damage output

[primal umbra]

trike vs rex 1's

👀

[slim dragon]

Trike should have the advantage against a rex honestly

[primal umbra]

depends

[viscid mica]

If legacy is anything to go by it should be heavy trike advantage

[primal umbra]

if the trike is hit first, bones crushed, no, if trike has its head pointed from the get go, yes.

[viscid mica]

As they can play it super defensively and lay massive bleed on you

[slim dragon]

Bruh that would be lame af
Dying to one bite as an apex ?

[primal umbra]

i mean have you seen the horns on trike? 😭 its obviously gonna be trikes advantage but it all depends on enviorment and player

[primal umbra]

did i say 1 bite?, trex's jaws are legit MEANT to break bones, wont kill the trike just disadvantage it

[slim dragon]

I mean if rex gets the jump or can attack trike from behind, ofc it should win the fight
But a head-on fight ? Better reconsider

[viscid mica]

If a Rex manages to get a ambush theyll win but thats IF

[primal umbra]

• 1 hit from a trike ur gone no matter

[primal umbra]

😂 trex aint gonna be ambushing nothing with them fat meaty legs

gonna be heard from southplains to east plains

[slim dragon]

You haven't seen the videos, have you ?

[viscid mica]

You’d be suprised

[primal umbra]

do you know what joking around is

eh nevertheless i cant wait, its all dependant on the first hit anyways so thats that

[slim dragon]

I can't read tones

[viscid mica]

I’ve seen one guy in legacy was the ultimate ambush Rex

[viscid mica]

Kinda maybe

[primal umbra]

they gotta make anklysaurus completely busted man

legacy ankly didnt get justice

[viscid mica]

I’m just saying Alberto lookin like this https://mtdinotrail.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Albertosaurus.png

[primal umbra]

ankly js gonna be that one chill dino that noone tryna mess with fr

[primal umbra]

looks great

[slim dragon]

rock simulator

[slim dragon]

AHAHAHAHA

[primal umbra]

evrima is basically "Flip around find out"

[slim dragon]

mf alberto is bigger than rex now

[viscid mica]

💀

[primal umbra]

thats very tiny

[viscid mica]

Note “very large”

[slim dragon]

What I note is prehistoric wildlife is true to its reputation

[viscid mica]

THICC

[primal umbra]

i hope they make the alberto ATLEAST 3-4 tons idk

its gotta be heavier or just as heavy as an dibble i pray

we need an apex forrreeel

[viscid mica]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KdVF9bfQGM

id be down with this kinda size compare

[viscid mica]

Like they said should be in the same ball park as Allo

If not almost the same weight

[primal umbra]

like cera and carno?

same weight but entirley different mechanics and functions

[viscid mica]

Kinda

Carno should be heavier

[viscid mica]

Yes

Carno needs its THICCNESS back

Bring our boy back closer to the 1.8

[primal umbra]

^^

it shouldnt have been nerfed in the first place it was good where it was

[viscid mica]

His bite force can stay but the weight must come back

[viscid mica]

Not exactly I’ll agree it was hyper dominant but the changes where far to drastic especially with cera being added

[primal umbra]

Hyper dominant is over exxagerating, It was STRONG yes but it had its downs and ups but ill def say it was the apex at its time

but now that well, dibble, cera, dilo, is here its not as strong

• 2 raptors would be able to pin it now, removing its raptor hunter title

[viscid mica]

Think it takes 3 if it’s full grown but I get your point

Honestly group pinning is why I say dilo aren’t really that scare to a omni pack

[primal umbra]

^^

group pin until raptors are at 30% stam and ur bleed is gonna kill you before you can ever touch the raptors

[viscid mica]

I mean if you have a 3rd or 4th come bite the head it’s GG

[primal umbra]

^^

raptor packs are usually 4+

[viscid mica]

And you can do that to a group of dilos too have the extras harass the others while you single one out

[primal umbra]

wait, can tenos be pinned?, youd need 3 right

[viscid mica]

If your 4+ you should never lose a fight outright maybe lose 1+ of you but that’s it

[viscid mica]

3

[primal umbra]

Thats fire

[viscid mica]

2 on sides one on butt

[primal umbra]

you can pin down anything right

[viscid mica]

No

[primal umbra]

where does it stop

[viscid mica]

You can’t pin the thincus boys

[viscid mica]

Dibble+ in weight

[primal umbra]

shayt

i see, 3 tons or above is the limit

But still only 3 dinos are over 2 tons in the game as of right now so that leaves the others victims to raptor herds

[viscid mica]

Note getting that rear pin for the 3 on teno is basically impossible

[primal umbra]

oh i meant 4, if we consider the maia

[viscid mica]

And yall have to be 100%

[primal umbra]

you can move around while pouncing

[viscid mica]

And he can tail slam

[primal umbra]

Just get the first 2 on

[viscid mica]

Assuming they don’t run to a tree

[primal umbra]

tail slam doesnt buck them off

[viscid mica]

But it destroys the 3rd

[primal umbra]

yeah true, but just have good cordination and do it fast you should be alright

ill test it out with some friends in my server

[viscid mica]

Sadly most tenos are to good for that

I won’t lie though the other day when the foxes the restart bug

I had a 4 pack of omni at like 60% and came across 2 teno and one these dudes tail slammed his boy and dipped

Was so messed up but heh good

[primal umbra]

Lmfaooo

ive never lost to a teno once, with dilo and raptor

most teno players are GARB

[viscid mica]

It’s not hard to win but if you get hit your cooked

[primal umbra]

ive been playing for 2 years and i can confidentally say im a licensed teno hunter

[viscid mica]

2 years

[leaden remnant]

teno needs some skill to be played

[viscid mica]

Man I feel old af

[leaden remnant]

but yeah most teno players are hot garbage

[viscid mica]

I think 2025 will be year 7 or 8 for me

[primal umbra]

yep true, theyre only 1600kg which is roughly cera size but they bleed way easier and have a faster stamina drain as their slam and kick takes stam

[primal umbra]

maybe im wrong idk, i played when the only carnis out were: Raptor, Deino, Carno, PT

[leaden remnant]

yus

also tail slam is useless in most scenarios, just kick

[viscid mica]

I’d been playing sense they still updated legacy

[leaden remnant]

kick is really useful, tail slam only in certain scenarios

[primal umbra]

one kick and its over

[viscid mica]

Ye but if you get tail slammed it’s GG for the smol boys

[viscid mica]

Exactly

Kicked down slammed out

[primal umbra]

i remember at north west 2 years ago i met a dev and me and my pack n the dev took down a FG stego

golden ages

[leaden remnant]

yus

[primal umbra]

when pachy was actually a sight to be feared, pachy was the king von of evrima

[leaden remnant]

tail slam is usually for show tho

[viscid mica]

Stun spam was wild

[leaden remnant]

ppl who know what they're doing will only kick

[viscid mica]

But then they got put into a whole and forgotten

[leaden remnant]

and then ppl who have mastered teno will tail slam you and hit it all the time

[primal umbra]

i remember spamming down carnos and theyd complain and cry in eu chat

[leaden remnant]

if im fighting a teno and the teno instantly tail slams my face im outta there

[viscid mica]

I woulda too if I wasn’t a pachy Alberto main

[primal umbra]

i miss old isle so much but not that much

cuz now that rex is near the corner allo will be too and then this game will be an actual eco system and playable

[viscid mica]

I far prefer the combat of envirma

[primal umbra]

yeah, its skill based not tail riding based

[viscid mica]

It’s all fun and games but when raptors could wipe anything solo was annoying af

[primal umbra]

Dilos bro

legacy dilos were a sight to behold

[viscid mica]

I’d killed Rex’s in legacy as a pachy

It’s was wrong on so many levels

[viscid mica]

Bleed so much bleed

[primal umbra]

LEGIT BROOO i was UNSTOPABLE

i remember people would send me death threats in global then get banned a second later

[viscid mica]

Won’t lie favourite grow in legacy was sucho thou

Being able to swim across the ocean crossing was just disrespectful

[primal umbra]

ive never growed a spino

like genuinely

[viscid mica]

It sucked

Baby spinos take literal years to grow

And they sucked all the way until 100%

They where worse than giga grow

[crimson crater]

#balance-feedback message @viscid schooner it can def survive off small tiers and it’s bleed is still strong

[vale brook]

also using "it can take out a 4 ton animal but struggles against dilo at night"

??? omni is a grouping large game hunter, of course its going to excel at that. dilo, being a night time hunter, is going to hunt at night and excel at that

[keen plover]

Dilo is cheap though. There's a difference between excelling and whatever dilo is doing rn

[vale brook]

right but thats a dilo issue, not an issue with omni

[keen plover]

I mean it was apart of their suggestion tbf. Dilo being nerfed would help omni.

[blissful holly]

Really think dilo needs to become less reliant on hallucinations, I don’t think it’s fun for either party.

[vale brook]

hallucinations being able to be fought back against + requiring dilo's to bite to recharge would fix all

[keen plover]

I also don't think that helps the dilo either if I'm being real. You have only like 1 control over your hallucinations and that's when it deploys. The rest is up to the game lol. So like fight back against a hallucination and go up a rock as raptor?

Eh. Not sure on the answer there

[jade prairie]

The clones apparently can spawn up on the rocks and even in trees (if you are a herra fighting the dilo) so no, that doesnt help

Personally i dont think the hallucinations should do damage - theyre hallucinations, they arent real. They should just make the dino they are hunting waste stamina on attacking something that isnt there

[slim dragon]

The poison in your blood is very real though

Hallucinations are just a representation of it
It's like a poison DoT, but you can fight it back

[jade prairie]

Oh okay that does make a lot more sense
I do feel that i would rather have the poison do a bit of damage (like -x amount of hp every y seconds) than have the damage tied to the hallucinations biting you though
Because the hallucinations can still do locational damage, right?

[slim dragon]

I don't think so

[jade prairie]

Oo, okay in that case i dont mind it as is
Ty for explaining it!!

[ashen glade]

@restive token if dibble could have some stun resistance on it's head or potentially putting maia on a closer weight class to dibble would help with balancing. dibble can't fight or run away, that needs to be fixed

[restive token]

or somethink like this but we need help against this fat cow XD

[ashen glade]

@primal umbra i'd like to see you fight any better. show us how to fight a duo of maias as a solo dibble

[ashen glade]

it's a worse situation than what cera has. cera struggles running away or fighting maia, but at least it can given enough skill and or numbers. dibble just gets thrashed in both fields. hoping it gets some love back

[odd pebble]

Its doable actually

[ashen glade]

then do it. so far i have only seen dibble be obliterated by maia but never an example of dibble standing its own

[odd pebble]

I did. That's why i said its doable

[ashen glade]

and hearing people go "it's possible" doesn't make me believe it

[odd pebble]

You simply get into a narrow enough spot to make the maias face you and make sure they dont get the first stun

Dibble can just stun and run, drift around

Rinse and repeat

Tho i would like it if maia stomp didnt knock down dibbles

[ashen glade]

so get maia into a narrow space and try to stun lock it first. so now dibble is locked to playing in highlands or living in forests that have no food

[odd pebble]

Your best bet is in narrow spots so they cant flank you

If youre only facing 1, then open fields are no big deal

If dibble and maia run at each other head first and try to stun, 90 % chance dibble actually gets the stun first since it lunges forward

Even if you both get stunned at the same time, dibble's hit actually does a good chunk of dmg plus bleed

While maia basically does none except for the stop

[ashen glade]

do you have evidence this works?

cause hearing about it and seeing it is different

[odd pebble]

I sadly didnt record, but lemme pull up another vid

https://youtu.be/3d2SyYGWkyY?si=jpJE_V912UqrH4mJ

[ashen glade]

ok, so it is just stunlocking and hoping you either have good teammates or that you don't get stunned in return

it is very weird seeing maia stunning dibble tho

but i'll admit i was wrong here

[odd pebble]

Just give it a shot. If you abuse dibble's shift lmb it's not that hard

Just be aware of your surroundings to not let them get the jump on you

[haughty grotto]

@lilac leaf it's setup is not intended to be able to bully carnivores in fights
It's not meant to be a combat dinosaur
It should not be able to stunlock anything
A stunlocking herbi should never be a thing in this game ever

Dibble is already ridiculously strong, it doesn't need more buffs

Maia is an oppressive tyrant that needs big stamina nerf in bipedal and quad stance upgrades

[lilac leaf]

Yeah it's intended to be a runner, that's why 90% of its hits are super weak and its stomp is very hard to land UNLESS you've already knocked the thing over. People that claim its overpowered probably got ganged up by many OR they were unskilled against a very skilled player. There's plenty of videos on youtube of both situation - maias decimating, and maias getting decimated. It will feel FAR less overpowered once 90% of the server is no longer maia / the shiny new thing syndrome wears off because it'll be back to being what tenonto is currently - usually only 1 or 2 maias versus huge carnivore packs. i personally see maia in a pretty good place. It is very killable if you play carefully and take your time.. but diablo struggles a lot against it as there's very little diablo can do once it gets knocked over. that's why i proposed only buffing diablo in a very small way against maia specifically rather than messing up the balance of both creatures versus the rest of the roster

[ashen glade]

tenonto has troubles against it tho. hopefully it gets some love too

[lilac leaf]

Tenonto deals hella bleed on its kicks though. It definitely needs some love, not sure in what direction because again anything you change to help it against maia will make carnivores struggle even more against a skilled teno player lol its a difficult balance!

[crimson crater]

what’s this

[ashen glade]

yeah, i'm hoping for better damage reduction on the tail. but that would make hunting it harder still

[blissful holly]

^^^ I watched a video recently of Maia getting absolutely destroyed. It certainly doesn’t seem as OP as I’ve seen people say it is. I personally think it needs a stamina nerf though, whether by making its attacks use more of it, or a stamina reduction in general. I like the speedy, ‘strong’ niche it has going for it, since it makes gameplay more interesting, but it shouldn’t be able to pursue people over long distance (since let’s be fair, that’s how ppl have been playing with it atm). Its stunlock needs to be removed though, stunlocks in general are horrible for this game.

[haughty grotto]

basically exactly this, what kangaroobun said
@lilac leaf when talking about balance, its also important to not forget logic

1. it makes zero sense for a 3.8ton animal to be running insanely fast and shoving its body weight around constantly with very little stamina loss
   It can continue to run fast and do those things sure, we dont need to remove those, but if it wants to fight instead of run, that choice should have consequence in the form of fast stamina loss
   Ofc you'll see videos of both sides, cause there are good maias and bad maias. I can turn your argument the other way around too: with enough time, all maias will become good and skilled cause the bad ones will stop playing it.
   Game balance depends on what a good maia is allowed to do, not what a bad maia plays like. And right now a good maia can be an absolute oppressive tyrant. Right now it can fight all it wants and still run away after killing a few carnis in a group whenever it wants due to its speed and still not run out of stam unless it was unskilled enough to let itself rack up too much bleed.
2. stunlocks on herbivores in general should not exist and be banned forever in this game no matter what the playable is

[blissful holly]

As Graffiti Ink also said, hopefully when the hype wears down, its problems won’t be as magnified too. I think a huge issue with Maia atm is because everybody is playing it, it’s forcing carnivores to engage in a fight they probably weren’t going to win from the start, lest they starve

By making Maia take stam nerfs, it might encourage the players to be less bloodthirsty, and actually be the escapist Maia is intended to be.

[fervent orchid]

when did they make troodons not start with their venom? that seems incredibly detrimental to the dino, especially since that's all it really has.
that's like taking away climbing for baby herras

[lilac leaf]

Yeah I had heard initially that allo was planned to release alongside. Not sure why that changed but releasing the creatures in batches of at least 2 ( prey + intended predator ) means the hordetest balancing is better tested. Because then you're testing the intended machup, rather than 15 maiasaurs vs 1 unfortunate dilo that got spotted or w/e LOL

@haughty grotto I agree. Thinking on it, I wonder if balance could come in the form of like.. making it MORE of a herbivore carno ( which is kinda like how legacy maia played tbh - carno v maia 1v1 was super balanced and super fun, depended entirely on skill who won ). So rather than instantly being fast, it has a fairly slow ramp into speed, and a fairly slow stop once you let go of movement keys, making it a bit less 'precise'. It only gets to top speed in a 'charge' like state ( like carno ), and during this charge like state it will automatically shove things out of the way ( similar to carno goring ) but this would be significantly less powerful than the 'standing still / moving slow' shove in that it won't knock things fully over, it'll just stumble them a little bit / move them out of your path ( something similar to the vomit animation but minus the projectile obv and the dino 'wakes up' a lot faster ). Charging doesn't drain its stamina pool faster, but charging shoves do take a large chunk of stamina ( 1/5th? ). standing still however the same attacks would use far less

that way you as a maia player can choose to either play "skittish herbivore" style without getting too heavily punished for it and without being the weird in between it is now, but if you'd rather fight your adversary you will have to commit to it -- as it is, the maias i see losing combat are the ones that cannot decide if they want to run or fight so they constantly bleed themselves out lol play hyper aggressive, or gtfo, don't do both!

[lilac leaf]

Yeahh been that way for a minute. It legit sucks that cerato from spawn starts with its ability but dilo and troodon are punished for existing up until like 40% growth xD

[fervent orchid]

dilo i can maybe understand because they're bigger, 40% is still rough for them id honestly bump id down to at least 25-30% growth for them. but troodon rely on that because their bite force is nonexistent

[viscid mica]

@vagrant plover try heading towards NW ridge and that pond you can super fast grow troodon and there is a ton of Ai

Lots of baby goats that you can actually kill

I am all for them getting venom of rip they really aren’t a threat to anything less than a fresh spawn

Or maybe give venom at like 20% but it take way longer to take effect

[haughty grotto]

nah allo is way down the line
next predicted is rex + trike
and anyway, allo cant do anything to maia in its current state
would suffer the same problem of getting stunlocked or outrun/outstammed, even worse cause it'll have low speed / agility

[ashen glade]

letting troodon start with venom would be a nightmare. imagine havinga bunch of babies with near infinite stamina killing your stego or maia or dibble because you can't escape them

[viscid mica]

Bro they have like .002 biteforce

[steep echo]

#balance-feedback message dont let it start with it, just let it get venom within the same time frame as dilo, so about 35-40%

[viscid mica]

^

[ashen glade]

juvi omnis used to be a massive issue back in the day and we got the same answer of "they do like no damage"

they don't need to deal much damage to be an issue

[viscid mica]

Omni atleast have a actual whole number bite force

[ashen glade]

imagine sitting there trying to fight off a horde and some babies keep respawning and preventing you from healing bleed

[viscid mica]

If they can apply bleed to a full grown anything at 2 inches tall is the real problem here

[ashen glade]

with how hard a juvi troodon is to hit good luck defending youself

[ashen glade]

they don't need to apply it in order to prevent a target from healing'

[viscid mica]

Then how would you start bleeding

And by that logic they already can do that

[ashen glade]

adults

[viscid mica]

Ya so they already can do that by your logic

All poison does is boost damage output and u could easily make it so smol ones take far longer to apply than bigger ones

[ashen glade]

ok then lets think like this. if they can't deal bleed, how would they ever deal venom??

[viscid mica]

Not to full adults

They are tiny ah

2iches large

[ashen glade]

they aren't meant to be hunters at that size

[lilac leaf]

in the opposite direction, i'd leave troo and dilo as they are and make it so cera can't use its bile until 30-40% growth so it matches the other two lol

[ashen glade]

they eat small compies and stuff, not attacking other babies

[viscid mica]

I mean without venom I’ve hunted other babies in a trio fresh spawn

We aren’t even talking fresh spawn thou we are asking for like dilo grow venom

[ashen glade]

and even if they are tiny, a smaller target to see/fight makes it easier for it to envenomate you for the adults to get in the real damage

[ashen glade]

then why do you need venom?

if it isn't necessary, why need it?

[lilac leaf]

I dunno, allo in legacy was a lot bigger than maia / could wreck it in a fight due to its high bleed. If its a similar size bigger maia will not be able to knock it over unless its a baby. Current maia still doesn't handle bleed well

[viscid mica]

Read the other thing I said

[viscid mica]

40% so we can atleast hunt goats without it taking 30 minutes to bleed out

[lilac leaf]

but yeah adding rex and trike next feels.. odd. i feel like both are going to be hard starving simulators lol imagine being as big as a trike trying to live off oranges which are like a third the size of your toenail

imagine being a legacy rex trying to live off utahs

xD

[ashen glade]

in balance feedback itr literally says "let troodon start with venom" which was the beginning of this convo

[viscid mica]

And if you paid attention to what we where saying throughout it

[ashen glade]

i did, it was a passing mention that you gave a "^" to

[viscid mica]

The great dueling simulator and the age of stego being unplayable

[ashen glade]

so sorry for not exactly caring about it

[lilac leaf]

and for that :: yeah if troodon started with venom it'd be so negligable that it might as well not. it'd heal instantly unless you stacked it like 50 times in a minute unless the thing you were pouncing was also a fresh spawn like an omni ect too

troodon is intended to scavenge as a baby, doesn't really NEED venom

a single frog can carry it through most of its growth xD

[viscid mica]

Not asking for fresh spawn same time as dilo

[ashen glade]

and it grows so quickly that by the time you really need venom you have it

[viscid mica]

It’s like a 30 minute grow on good diet does it really matter?

[ashen glade]

exactly, does it really need venom? if it's just gonna be eating corpses

only reason troodon would need venom is for combat, and if it isn't combative until a certain growth why add it?

and as i said, if it gets venom real early it can help hunt larger targets quicker. which could be a nightmare if a bunch of babies, or 40%grown juvies, are able to help in hunts faster

they aren't hard growing animals. they don't need to be combative immediately

[haughty grotto]

No way lol
Maia 3.8 tons
Allo is predicted to be 2.8 and much slower
Of course allo will wreck it in a bleed
But no allo is ever catching it with the current stam and speed Maia has

It has to be an ambush situation
And even then if Maia isn't nerfed, Maia will still stunlock and win

[ashen glade]

base run is expected to be slower than maia. ambush speed should be closer, if not equal/faster to maia

[vale brook]

for reference. troodon gets it around 50% and Dilo gets it around 41%

[lilac leaf]

weight class aside that speed sounds similar to what it was legacy which was fairly balanced ( IE "if i can't fight the thing i can run from it" ). guess we'll see how big it ends up once its actually added! if its big enough to not get knocked over it'll be fine lol

[haughty grotto]

You're suggesting it's speed will go from 39 to 49 with ambush?
Doubt it

[vale brook]

i wouldnt be surprised if allos get the jump on resting herds of maia fairly often

that rest/get up animation is slow for a reason lol

[vagrant plover]

@ashen glade The purpose of venom is to compensate for the physical weakness of animals. and troodon is absolutely weak.
The physically weaker the more deadly the venom is the natural order.

He needs venom to hunt for food, he can only eat fresh meat not like Cerato.
and combi, rabbits and chickens are virtually out of the Game

And Troodon is a difficult dinosaur to grow, if everything kills you in one hit and you hardly do any damage, it is difficult

[ashen glade]

i mean, maybe. this is the isle devs

[steep echo]

YES YES YES

[indigo rain]

One idea for troo that someone proposed that I thought was clever was that it regained stam when pouncing, so it rewards players for landing and engaging with the prey and putting themselves at risk, and prey can always run away and try to dodge to make them waste stamina.

tldr: something something "its venom makes blood into an energy drink by sapping glucose"

[slim dragon]

Is it this one ?
#general-feedback message

[worthy steeple]

@alpine plover #balance-feedback message yeah that’s a bug, they will keep spawning even when dilo is dead

if you killed a dilo but clones keep spawning again and again, just find a good safe spot and quick log

[dusky surge]

not a bug. they're supposed to passively spawn

[alpine plover]

i couldn’t find a safe spot 3 clones literally chased me down when the dilo was dead and i died to them

[worthy steeple]

i doubt it’s intentional, because i was fighting a dilo during a night time, it bit me just once and died instantly. the clones were keep spawning and spawning after

like i was orange health when i logged

[alpine plover]

I was red like deep red

[dusky surge]

its intentional. its just overpowered

[worthy steeple]

it didn’t even spawn a single clone

[worthy steeple]

no way that’s intentional 💀
what the devs were thinking about

[alpine plover]

Its a stupid ability and needs to be nerfed

Bc its crazy that its clones can still damage you after its dead

[steep echo]

#balance-feedback message
troodon relies 90% on pouncing because of its weak biteforce, I disagree

but also because I'd have an even harder time evading raptors trying to pin me if they get 50 tries

[slim dragon]

The dilo may be dead, but the venom is still in your body

[ashen glade]

only reason venom lasts after the death of the dilo is because nowhere in real life does venom just cease harming you the moment the injector is killed

however, i do think the death of the dilo should stop the spawning of clones

or if that stays the same, maybe give a way to speed along the process. like drinking water or eating salt. but it has to be something that can't be sat on or used during combat. like eating salt just leaves you open to further attack from the dilos

[alpine plover]

Yeah but with the way dilos are its ridiculous. 3 clones for one charge should be reduced to 1 clone per charge and the speed of the clones should at least be decreased or as someone said b4 let there be a wind up for the clones before they attack so u have a chance to hit it

[fluid sage]

the hell, maias are faster than dilos?!

[vale brook]

i wouldnt say it should stop sending clones, but i do think the clones should VERY quickly lose damage over the course of you waiting out the venom (once the dilo dies)

[fluid sage]

I don't think that's fair to the dilo mechanics. You can still bleed to death even if raptor or whoever put that bleeding on you died, why dilo has to be any different? The passively spawning clones can be replaced with some dmg per second though

[vague pike]

Hello, im new on this server so i don´t know where to get help. I´ve been playing the isle for 2 years now and wanted to start again. I used to play evrima on Epic Grahpics with 60-80 fps and now its only 10-20. Its impossable to play like this. So I was wondering if someone has an idea why my fps is so low.

If I try to ply on medium it gets to 20-30 Fps but then the game is too ugly to play and looks like a 90`s game.

[leaden remnant]

because the game severely lacks optimization

[vague pike]

so I cant do anything abt it?

[vague pike]

.

[leaden remnant]

well try putting your settings on max

maybe try deleting your config folder

[vague pike]

thanks

[hasty coyote]

the funny speed mutation is the reason. maia is normally "only" 46.9, but goes up to 49.3 with speed mutation'

[fluid sage]

felt so weird being chased down by a pack of maias. No way to outrun them, no way to out manoeuvre and they keep hitting you. Managed to get lost using bushes but didn't like the experience at all xD

[hasty coyote]

yeah maia is def a bit too strong in biped, and the speed mutations really just make things worse. Its supposed to be slower than dilo for a reason,

[vague pike]

one more question. Does the isle have an dlss?

[golden coral]

@faint timber I doubt deino will be able to fight trike or rex, even with a bite speed change (one has armored head, the other is rather tall, unlike stego). Probably not even stego either, now that it has the power swing and can use it quite well, unless damage or something else also gets changed.

[coarse blaze]

You can instantly kill a full grown stego with 1 button click; and punishing the uncontested water apex out of the water makes sense.

Also the "very weak creature" can still kill anything on the roster with one right click that isn't itself. https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/778350260027129865/1318297191684771931

[faint timber]

I don't think you can kill the trike, but I think trex and stego should be able to fight at the water's edge, anyway, when trex comes, I don't think it won't be played if the denio is already in this state, so I presented you with an idea, bringing back the old denio will fix some things.

I can't talk now, my pc is at my brother's good evening, we'll talk when we get it, you write to me and I'll be back later.

[faint timber]

Forget my brother

[faint timber]

this crocodile is a very strong creature, it must be very strong in the water and at the water's edge, and it is already in this form, so I don't understand how the old denio players endure it.

[golden coral]

No worries, Im not neccesarily disagreeing with your idea, just that it might need more than just bite speed if its to work out.

Unless you make it really fast bite, but that might be very odd

[faint timber]

I believe that if it's just like that video, it might be a little more fair.

[faint timber]

it would be very sad if the stun feature is removed from the game, it would be fun to throw stun

[coarse blaze]

Throwing a stun isn't a stun lock.

[faint timber]

ok ?

[faint timber]

should you have diablo weight nerf at this time, should it be reduced by 2ton or 1.5 like in real life?

[coarse blaze]

I just don't think the massive water apex that has water to escape to and has not other predators outside of itself needs a buff when no other aquatics exist to compete with it

[faint timber]

I think trex and stego are a pretty good enemy of trex and stego, after all, trex denio will show too much power and stego will still do as he does, at least let the bite speed increase a little and let's make a decent war

[coarse blaze]

Why go into land? They've literally tried everything to discourage it, your drain is awful, your turn is awful and your speed is awful. Stay off land and you're basically untouchable.

[faint timber]

waterfront

[coarse blaze]

Then don't stand there and get hit

Not paying attention and just standing as a charging stego runs at you is entirely the fault of the player and not the playable.

[hasty coyote]

Imo, deino shouldn't have a good matchup against most other apexes. It is designed to be a punch down dino that just 1-shots anything smaller than itself with lunge and it has no need to fight them because it can just decide to not fight them. Genuinely, what reason would deino ever have to fight a stego, rex, or another apex other than for ego reasons?

[coarse blaze]

Absolutely agreed

[faint timber]

I naturally have the right to say who are you to show off to me, and I am also a land creature, even if I am very little.

[coarse blaze]

You're not a land creature, deino's main mechanic is meant for being used in the water.

It's a video game, not an actual crocodile.

If it were a land creature it wouldn't dry up in 5 minutes outside of the water.

[faint timber]

For pleasure, anyway, I'm busy right now, I'm busy after the discussion is over.

[golden coral]

? Why are you asking that? Diablo, from what I know, is the size it is due to the devs wanting it that way.

[faint timber]

I was curious, I would normally want Diablo to be 2 tonnes or 1.900 kg, but after we came to Mai, I changed my mind, do you think 3 tonnes is good?

[hasty coyote]

I think with the way its balanced, diablo is fine. it could have worked as a smaller dino, but devs decided to make it bigger. both work, but I believe the bigger one we have now is balanced to fight things like allo and alberto, which works better than a smaller diablo.

[golden coral]

I think it depends on what will happen with the other ceratopsians in that size range, I am not against a 3T dibble per say, but it might be too close in size to some others to make sense. Or theyll figure something out.

[coarse blaze]

I think a much smaller Diablo would end up unviable with its speed when larger carnivores are added later on.

[faint timber]

ok

[dusky surge]

#balance-feedback message

3-4 shots from a carno/cera killing an adult stego is WILD lmao what

That would mean the cera would need to be doing around 2000 damage per bite to stego's head, giving it a 10-15x damage multiplier to headshots

That's a great way to immediately turn an entire animal into a walking lunchbox

[tribal idol]

with a headshot, a cera full charge bite does around 600 damage to a steg, which would give it a 10 shot to kill if it lands them all

with a 1.3 ton vs 6 ton animal, thats pretty good

[cosmic pelican]

Deino 1 shotting stego if it had that damage multiplier:

[dusky surge]

As it should, yea

I don't understand why people want cera (1.3 tons) to have an even matchup with stego (6 tons)

you'd have to make stego ass to make that happen

or cera even more broken

[hasty coyote]

heres another thing, if cera and carno can do that (2 of our smaller carnivores) how is stego ever supposed to survive its actual threats: the actually large carnivores?

[dusky surge]

it eats grass and dies

[tribal idol]

"actually, all herbivores are supposed to be prey, so this should be there design for gameplay"

I love the islecord

[slim dragon]

yes

[crimson crater]

no one believes that

[tribal idol]

you would think that, but I have legit had conversations in here of people saying that exactly, and trying to back it up. its crazy

[dusky surge]

If only that were true

[crimson crater]

i rarely see carni biased people here

[dusky surge]

I often do, but for some reason they tend to say something that gets them muted, generally of the slur variety

[leaden remnant]

being prey doesn't mean being weak asf

herbis being weaker than carnis would be bs

in my opinion, at least 1.25% stronger would fit

[crimson crater]

it depends on the playable imo

like maia shouldn’t be stronger than an allo for example

[leaden remnant]

ig youre right

[vale brook]

@scarlet remnant #balance-feedback message ... why would the clones (the mental representation of the venom damaging your body within) not do damage to you on rocks, trees, or in water

[worthy steeple]

that’s the only thing i didn’t like in their feedback, the rest is fine, dilo is hella op

[thorn mountain]

@worn sentinel you know maia bleed res is crap right

the only one I could see a nerf is stam

[glossy elbow]

^

[worn sentinel]

yeah fair, but they legit run around curb stomping everything other than stegs cause nothing is both fast enough to get away and doesnt get murdered

[glossy elbow]

yeah that and stam usage for it's attacks

[worn sentinel]

i saw a fg maia kill a group of hipsies for no reason.

[worn sentinel]

also name a dino that can 1v1 a maia that can also catch the maia if it runs

that also doesnt require the maia to have a single braincell

[sonic flame]

to be fair, an animal that can run you down and also beat you in a 1v1 is generally known as a balance issue

Maia having comparatively few matchups like that is, if anything, a sign that it's balanced pretty well

[regal valve]

Yes, if the Stego is dumb enough to swim in the water with a Deino

[slim dragon]

Or if the stego isn't using hacks and doesn't know there is a deino hidden underwater

[regal valve]

That's just bad luck then, and there's plenty of places to cross water that's shallow

So it's kinda your fault for being reckless lmao

[true ginkgo]

On one hand, yeah maia is busted and invalidates half the roster rn.

On the other hand, you spotted them miles away, had full stam, and just let them walk up to you and start attacking. There wasn't even an attempt to flee.

[blissful holly]

I think Maia just needs it’s stunlock removed and a stam nerf of some kind. I enjoy its speedy niche, but it shouldn’t be able to pursue you over a long distance.

[mystic jacinth]

Rule 1 in all survival games: never start running early or you are definitely going to be attacked. They sense your insecurity, because you are running away from them. At least that’s my experience, it can be wrong

[stark knoll]

And the better option is to not run from something clearly beelining towards you?

[vale brook]

if they're beelining towards you, run

but if they've just spotted you and have yet to actively begin chasing you, id honestly say standing your ground is generally better for some animals

maybe that doesnt apply to something like cerato spotting maia but its a sentiment i think applies to alot of dynamics

[mystic jacinth]

If we are talking about the video in my feed, then those maias turned to me at the last moment, before that they were just walking a little to the side from me, and I did not feel threatened

[vale brook]

in this case i may say this slightly falls on you

always feel threatened

atleast in this game lol

[stark knoll]

Idk it looked a lot like they were sprinting straight towards you

[mystic jacinth]

Usually, instead of running away, I kick others in the face first, because why else am I playing the teno, but okay

I'm more of a pvp player than a "run from everything that goes your way" player, so my experience seems not smart to many

[faint timber]

you recently published a feedback about the removal of stun, can you explain it to me a little more, I didn't fully understand it (my understanding is that when diablo headbutts you, you will not eat stun, is that it?)

@pure anchor No need for damage, just increase the bite speed and the job is done. We can kill even trex, except trike.

[pure anchor]

Regardless if its bite speed, damage output, or whatever else they do they just need to buff it

its current state is insanely pathetic compared to what it could realistically do

[faint timber]

update 6.5 denio and stego wars were not fair, maybe, but denio could kill stego, but the gateway was bald and the bite speed of all animals changed, so that denio could not kill stego in any way.

[faint timber]

I'll tell you, denio buff flan doesn't come when denio trex comes, if there are still those who still play, it will be a little interesting if trex does everything that denio can do many times more.

[golden coral]

This is true if you rely on fighting and need to delay an attack or are trying to make them hesistate. But it only applies if you can fight back properly, otherwise you'll still get jumped (if they just have the numbers or power). In this case, they had both, so they had no cause to not jump you and so you should have just run or at least tried to get into a less open and visible spot.

[coarse blaze]

Not the removal of stuns, the removal of a stun lock. A stun-lock would be "To render (a character) unable to move or react by repeatedly hitting them and keeping them in a stunned state."

So spamming a specific stun to prevent the other player from reacting at all.

[faint timber]

heeee hee, then it's good.

[hasty coyote]

theres times to have bravado and theres times to just tuck tail and run. An omni or 2 trying to find an opening is a good time to stand your ground. Multiple maias running at you is a time to tuck tail and run. It doesnt matter how confident you are when they are so much larger and just gonna stun lock you like that.

[dusky surge]

@steep echo just make adult faster, rather than sub-adult slower

Last thing pachy needs atm is a nerf

[tropic horizon]

No it’s almost literally the opposite. ALWAYS run away first they don’t care about insecurity if they’re running in your general direction and don’t seem to be acting friendly that’s all the telegraphing you need to run. Always run away. I think if you ran you may have been able to make it to the woods and escape both maias.

[leaden remnant]

rule 1 of dying

the only time that works is as a deino that's it

as a deino, since you can't tell how big the other deino is, if you're considerably smaller you have to act bigger and quite literally intimidate the other deino into leaving, since he's faster than you everywhere and a guaranteed death sentence if he goes after you

[lilac leaf]

My logic has always been run at the last possible second, especially if it's the same species as you... Because you and he will have the same stamina pool, you will want him to burn his stamina up a little bit before you start running, if you're the first to run you're also the first to run out of stamina lol

[tropic horizon]

My logic is just run away the moment they start chasing you and you know they’re chasing you. They’ve already started burning stamina and you can gain distance and conserve stamina. They could’ve done this and they might’ve survived but they didn’t even consider running even when they were within breath smelling distance of them.

[leaden remnant]

it's better to run away the second the person begins chasing you so that you can lose him

he can have teammates with full stamina around you

(it's happened to me way too many damn times)

[eager saddle]

Sad but true

[leaden remnant]

issue is that if the other deino begins checking you out and calculating your weight, you're done

might as well alt bite behind you since horrible turn radius and get the hell away

if it's the highlands lake just go down and you're invisible, if it's river delta, say goodbye

[eager saddle]

Yeah that’s why I am so against the turn radius nerf

It worsens a problem that is already pretty frustrating

[leaden remnant]

it's a new set of animations that somehow destroyed the radius

it wasn't intended according to mr dondius

[eager saddle]

Aaaaah so it just needs to get adjusted then.

[crimson crater]

dondius

[runic hedge]

from what I've seen maia's bleed resist definitely isnt crap if you consider things like carno or dilo. Yeah maia is tankier but it could last a really long time in one fight I saw on youtube fighting like 3 or 4 raptors. Carno bleeds out in a couple of minutes to like 2 omnis from my experience and dilo is only 700 kilos so it dies to 1 omni doing a bleed pounce in around the same time I'd assume

[runic hedge]

is that a new thing in the hordetest or am I missing something? I've not experienced that yet but I always thought deino turned really fast in water

[eager saddle]

it's a thing in the hordetest, yeah

[hasty coyote]

In my experience, maia probably has the average bleed res, yet still loses blood pretty quickly. Likely due to keeping it full hunger being difficult and it sprinting a lot during fights. Which makes its multipliers on bleed higher on average than most and making it lose bleed a good bit faster than hp. Its just the fact that its big which makes it have a higher blood pool to take down compared to dilo and carno (it has over 5x dilo's hp and nearly 3x carno's hp).

[runic hedge]

yeah that makes sense. Also thanks for clarifying (if that's what you were trying to do lol) that weight affects the blood pool amount, I kinda figured that since maia is so tanky but yeah I totally agree it loses blood faster probably just from having to move around so much.

[runic hedge]

ah okay yeah thanks for clarifying. I'll have to check it out then to see what it's like

[eager saddle]

Think there was a video of it in balance or general feedback

[cosmic pelican]

Yeah uh, its bad😭
If you want to turn 180, its faster to just alt attack than actually turn around

[hasty coyote]

yeah in most cases, weight=hp=bloodpool. Though bloodpool is MUCH harder to calculate since theres so many factors that increase how much bleed you take from an attack. stam, food, water, and I think hp% all make you heal bleed slower, and different movements (sprinting/sitting/etc) also affect how much bleed you take and how long it takes to heal. With maia running around, burning stam, and generally having a not very full stomach, it makes it bleed a lot more for its size.

[crimson crater]

does speed affect blood drain

[hasty coyote]

not speed, just the type of movement iirc. like sprinting drains more than walking, not just going faster like with speed mutations

[crimson crater]

i see but why would a maia bleed more than a dibble for example (assuming both are full on hunger and water)

[stark knoll]

That would mean maia either has a lower bloodpool than "standard" or takes more bleed damage

Carno used to/might still have a weakness to bleed

[crimson crater]

it might be the latter

[crimson crater]

still does and it’s worse than before now that it’s blood pool is only 1.3

[hasty coyote]

because maia's playstyle generally requires more sprinting and stamina consuming attacks, its generally going to have lower stam and higher multipliers because its sprinting. though it wouldnt be that much different

[hasty coyote]

yeah idk why they didnt remove carno's bleed weakness after nerfing its weight, theres no need for it now

[worthy steeple]

@uncut trellis they’ve changed the camera fov, made it closer to the playable, it made some creatures less agile, they cannot turn as sharp as they can before.

tested this personally playing teno on both versions

so it’s possible that gallis turn is worse in HT

it probably is tbh ahah

[steep echo]

I'd actually be content with pachycephalosaurus tanking a ton of damage to its head from any source, when it's in the apex of its ram #balance-feedback message

Like diabloceratops blocking, just only for under a second though

[uncut trellis]

After trying it though it’s not that bad really, I haven’t played much galli overall lately but this version so far seems just fine

[steep echo]

mind you, the worse the turning, the worse its matchup against carno is

Its hard to throw off their instant charge when it makes them faster than you are

[runic hedge]

Rip

[runic hedge]

Thanks for clarifying that. I heard about food and stuff affecting bleeding heal in one of Metta’s live streams but I never even knew that was a thing. Very cool and makes sense though.

[lethal shale]

@onyx lichen i agree with everything except the cera bite speed bit

its already like, really fast, like unnaturally fast for what you'd usually expect a cera.

[onyx lichen]

Bite speed is mostly there so you get more out of using it, afterall how often do you see Ceras use regular bites?

Also, I like to add at least 1 buff to even out the nerfs so it doesn't feel or sound as bad

[lethal shale]

pretty often actually, any good cera will know to depend on bites a little and not spam charge

[lethal shale]

i wouldnt mind if it applied only within corpses

body bully and all

make damage 150 if with a decently sized body, like an omni or dilo's size or so

[onyx lichen]

I thought reducing the bite speed and increasing the bite speed are good changes as it helps Cera feel better

[lethal shale]

its bite speed is already REALLY fast for its size. heres the buffs i'd give to even out the nerfs

biteforce goes back to 150 when near a decently sized body

amount of bile gained scales with the "rotten-ness" of the body, instead
of snapping from fresh bile gain to rotten bile gain

charge bite costs the cera something if it uses it too much, like while moving, except if next to a body (?)

[onyx lichen]

Also, I thought it would be better if Cera felt more accurate to how it is described

[lethal shale]

i just feel like cera is already overtuned enough with its capabilities as a hunter AND scavenger

i love the steam comumniity

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yippie its gone

[onyx lichen]

1. That's what the Charge Bite is for
2. That would just make players not want to go after rotten corpses and instead fresh ones with the chances of Organs
3. Charbe Bite disabling on its own is fine

[lethal shale]

idk tho, does cera even need buffs?

its perfectly capable as it is, and could use nerfs if anything, i dont think it needs anything to even out any nerfs

[onyx lichen]

I thought the bite speed should only be increased a little to make up for the lack of damage so it feels more like a utility attack

[lethal shale]

you technically buffed its damage by giving it more insane dps alongside the already insane dps it had with bite

[onyx lichen]

That would depend on how much faster they make the bite speed

[lethal shale]

its already fast though, they either make it barely faster that it isnt even noticeable, or it just becomes dilo bite speed

[onyx lichen]

It doesn't feel too fast to me

[lethal shale]

its really fast for its size, especially considering how all the other carnivores bite

[west plank]

cera balanced

[lethal shale]

bites twice as fast as a frickin troodon bro

[west plank]

yes it doesn't need it

[onyx lichen]

If you can show me a video comparing Cera's bite to Dilo and Carno then I might understand better

[lethal shale]

cera is in the middle of both of those

[onyx lichen]

Yeah, I want to see a comparison

[lethal shale]

other than dilo and herrera (which have unreasonably fast bite speeds) its the fastest biting carni

[lethal shale]

i cant get one rn 😔

[onyx lichen]

I don't even think I'm allowed to edit out the bite speed since I already posted it

[stark knoll]

You are

[onyx lichen]

Oh

[lethal shale]

youd think something fast, small and nimble like a troodon or omni would have the fastest bite speeds, but no its an already OP venomous dinosaur, an arboreal dinosaur that doesnt even use bites, and a body bully which shouldnt be biting that fast anyway

whats worse is that omni and troodon are both the slowest biters

[onyx lichen]

How do I do the thing where I put a line over the text?

[lethal shale]

hi do ~~ before and after

[lethal shale]

2 of them on each side

[onyx lichen]

Alright I changed it

[lethal shale]

whats stopping me into editing this to be a suggestion to remove pin and nerf cera, and nerf omni

[slim dragon]

Nothing, not that it would serve any purpose

[lethal shale]

and buff troodon

[onyx lichen]

They have bots that can see it before it was edited

[lethal shale]

darn

[onyx lichen]

I removed it

[lethal shale]

messages with a certain upvote amount get sent to a dev only channel

whether that channel is ever looked at, idk

[stark knoll]

No

[lethal shale]

no?

[stark knoll]

Devs put a reaction on messages and that sends it to a dev channel

[lethal shale]

@cosmic pelican you lied to me

[west plank]

now thats just a nerf...

[lethal shale]

good, cera is overtuned

[onyx lichen]

This is what I was talking about and why I added the buff idea

[lethal shale]

cera doesnt need more crazy dps tho

[west plank]

cera is balanced , there is no need for this

[lethal shale]

..not really?

[onyx lichen]

How about "Increased Stun/Stagger Threshold when around a corpse"

[lethal shale]

it doesnt fill its intended niche properly

[lethal shale]

isnt that already a thing?

[onyx lichen]

Don't think so

[onyx lichen]

The idea is to mostly give Ceras more of a reason to use regular bites since there is pretty much no reason to use it over charge bite

[west plank]

You cannot drift during charge bite and you have to wait at least 3 seconds for max damage, so there is no such things.

[lethal shale]

there is though

you can drift with it, its great for more dps, any good cera knows that

most ceras that think its better to spam short charge bites than regular bites get beat up easily

[onyx lichen]

What do you suggest Cera should be buffed with then?

[lethal shale]

more body buffs

[hasty coyote]

thats alredy a thing, it has cc resist around a body

[onyx lichen]

What about having Bleed Resistance stay at 50% until you are wounded instead of it scaling with your health?

[lethal shale]

ehh idk

[hasty coyote]

I thought thats how it already worked?

[lethal shale]

it doesnt even need buffs bro

[lethal shale]

same

[west plank]

i think Vomiting ability should be removed

[onyx lichen]

I want to at least give 1 buff to even out the nerfs so it just doesn't be overall worst

[lethal shale]

..it doesnt need any tho

[hasty coyote]

honestly, cera's stats are fine imo, vomit just needs a change. Imo, they should make the bile just directly give you vomit sickness and lock out stats rather than make you vomit. However, make it so that like the stat reduction to damage ratio is like 1/2. So at 1% hp, you have like 49% of your stats locked out (assuming cera has had bile the entire fight).

[onyx lichen]

Body Buff gets stronger depending on how many Ceras in the group so it has a better time corpse stealing from bigger things?

[lethal shale]

idk dude

i dont think it needs any buffs tbh, that just feels too much

[onyx lichen]

Encourages groups to bully corpses from bigger things that get added later

[lethal shale]

i mean, ok? im not sure

[onyx lichen]

Faster Stun/Stagger Recovery when around a corpse?

[lethal shale]

not a bad idea

[onyx lichen]

That and Reduce Stamina cost for alts while swimming

[onyx lichen]

I changed it, does it sound better?

[lethal shale]

alts while what now

[onyx lichen]

Cera can use alts while swimming, but it uses way too much stamina

[lethal shale]

wait what

do u have a vid of it or smth?

[onyx lichen]

It was shown in the Hunger Pains video where it killed a Deino

[onyx lichen]

I added some stuff so it is no longer a complete nerf

[west plank]

I am neutral

[onyx lichen]

Better than a dislike

[onyx lichen]

@pallid acorn What?

[pallid acorn]

I was just trying to increase the likelyhood of people seeing your post because i really liked your ideas

[onyx lichen]

Ah

[pallid acorn]

Just found out its not allowed :,)

[crimson crater]

imo cera needs its stun threshold on corpses increased

[hasty coyote]

it already has that

[worthy steeple]

yeah i think it has, you can stun it as a teno

[crimson crater]

knockdown resistance*

[hasty coyote]

I’m 90% sure it has both, by doing the exact thing you are saying. By increasing its cc threshold, attacks that would normally knockdown only stun it. Unless the threshold is massive like with Diablo.

[crimson crater]

it gets stunned by a tenos kick, the corpse buff only gives it a knockdown resistance

[worthy steeple]

i’m pretty sure it doesn’t since i kicked cera in its head and i didn’t even stun it with my kick

but it only works when cera is really close to the body (imo how it should be)

[crimson crater]

yea i agree, i got stunned once on a corpse but that was a while ago. needs some more testing

[worthy steeple]

i think it just might be really inconsistent

[dusky surge]

i dont think thats inconsistency

i think what it does is it increases your "weight" so that you enter a seperate threshhold

[hasty coyote]

The buff could not be enough to get over teno’s stun range, idk how large it is tbh

[worthy steeple]

that means it’s hp is 1950 with the 50% body buff which means the teno won’t be able to stun it, that makes sense. tho dibble and maia still can obviously

[dusky surge]

thats not how it works, no

also... no?

its a 50% damage resist, not a 50% weight increase

[slim dragon]

I'm not sure how 1300 x2 is 1950
(I say x2 because the body buff is a 50% damage resistance, therefore double the health)

[jade prairie]

50% means 50% of the current weight.
so if the weight is 1300kg, half of that is 650kg. 1300 + 650 = 1950

if it were saying double the weight, then it would be 100% *

[slim dragon]

That would work if it was a weight increase
However as Wave said, the corpse buff modifier isn't a weight increase but a damage resistance

Like Diablo has effective 15 000 health in sparring mode due to its 80% damage resistance on headshots while blocking

[worthy steeple]

didn’t you say it increases the weight?

“weight”

[dusky surge]

i put that in quotations because frankly i dont know for sure

[worthy steeple]

hm

[haughty grotto]

@gaunt sequoia I'm guessing you haven't played hordetest?
They nerfed fish to 0.3%.
Enjoy starving as a deino now

[gaunt sequoia]

A good deino won't starve...

I rarely eat fish and I maintain above 60% hunger. Sometimes you'll go 30 minutes without a kill but you eventually get someone on a full server.

Don't log onto a server unless theres 80+ people

[jade prairie]

You should be able to log on and survive whether theres 100 people or no-one

[slim dragon]

Not as a carnivore apex

[dusky surge]

if you're a colossal carnivore apex, not really

then there's literally zero point of having other players besides PvP filler

[crimson crater]

deino has no skill ceiling

if people drink at shallow spots there is little you can do

i shouldn’t starve because of smt out of my control

[dusky surge]

thats literally how survival works what

you die to things out of your control

[warm flax]

well currently if you spawn in eastern lake it is certain doom for you, no food from schooling fish and only 1-2 elite fish spawn

you have to get atleast 3-4 ton to make the travel to central river

[jade prairie]

swamps is also basically a death sentence if you cant get to delta - and swamps is one of the most common spawns

[dusky surge]

i spawned in northeast lake and was perfectly fine, made it to riverdelta before even making 1 ton

[warm flax]

the amount of food ai give is too little for deino which spend most of the time waiting\

[warm flax]

try the east lake

[jade prairie]

and getting to delta, you wont survive if you dont catch small fish - not enough big fish, not enough players

[warm flax]

i can see sucho and spino getting the same treatment

[jade prairie]

and thats if youre lucky enough that another deino doesnt eat you

deino population is kept in check by other deinos and by how many players find deino too boring to stick with

[warm flax]

it forces deino to all get to place ppl hang around , the hot spot like that tiny gap at the waterfall or the highland dam

[jade prairie]

any player that has played for any decent length of time is wise enough to know what areas to avoid drinking at and where the safe spots to drink are

[warm flax]

I tend to catch ppl trying to cross the river along the central river, now im not so sure if I can keep it that way

imagine the area this screenshot covers can't keep a single deino going

[crimson crater]

sometimes yea but not more often than not

[warm flax]

it is like playing a carno and a boar only give you 2-5% diet

[dusky surge]

its more like if you played carno and a rabbit gave you 1-2% diet

idk why we use the boar example because it's just objectively not the case lol

[jade prairie]

if you compare the size of a shoaling fish caught by an fg deino to the size of an elite fish, the shoaling fish is only a little bit smaller

[viscid mica]

Schooling?

[jade prairie]

yeah

shoal is another word for school (well, mostly, its a little bit different and technically shoaling is more accurate for the isle fish but anyway)

[fiery shard]

is this a joke? on HT you could sit in the water 4 hours and not catch anyone at 120/120 online. what to do deino when online for example 5/120? don't log in game? cool. i've always wanted to be completely dependent on online

[viscid mica]

So basically you want to punish anyone who wants to play deino if pop isn’t maxed?

[fiery shard]

maybe we should just bring back the fish at 10% instead of making the deino player wait for the online growth?

[viscid mica]

Or leave deino food alone

[warm flax]

and the speed these fish have plus the recent turning raidus nerf

[viscid mica]

Matter fact deino needs their turn radius back and beyond that they are chilling in a very good position as of right now

[warm flax]

it cant roam around the pains like carno to find food

[viscid mica]

I mean carno isn’t a great example as it’s very underwhelming rn

[glossy elbow]

oh the deino turn radius thing was an unintentional thing from the devs.

[viscid mica]

Oof

[warm flax]

even without the bad turning raidus it is still pretty tricky for a asult to catch an elite fish, after you spend like 10-15% stam dashing you only get like 3-6% diet

[viscid mica]

Do you dry it?

Oh boy

Leave it on a bank and wait 8 minutes you’ll get ALOT more diet

You can also get diet from schooling fish if you do the same thing

I believe it’s dots

[warm flax]

im talking about the changes on HT

[fiery shard]

i hope you can answer me where you catch players every 30 minutes. my friend on HT went all over the map and only met a group of maia in the mountains who didn't drink water. + it rains all the time in the game and many people take mutation to restore thirst from the rain

[dusky surge]

giant 8 ton deinosuchus should not be feeding off itty bitty schooling fish

give it other buffs, sure, but dont bring that fish thing back

[viscid mica]

Oh ya not great

[viscid mica]

Down pours every 5 minutes for 20 minutes I swear

[warm flax]

and if you are in the delta you have to play a massive hide and seek game with your prey guessing where they are
unlike south plains where you can be a brain dead and still catch something

[viscid mica]

But if they can’t survive well of them you will curse deino into the unplayable corner that pachy has found itself in

[fiery shard]

apparently all deinos have to sit in the south now and pray for someone to come

[warm flax]

how is scho and spino gonna eat? it doesnt look like they will get great speed
or catch elite fish in water

[slim dragon]

Why wouldn't dinos specialized in fishing be able to catch fish ?

[viscid mica]

It that they won’t catch more that they won’t survive due to lack of food provided and diet

[dusky surge]

who knows because those animals haven't been introduced

hell, spino isn't even shown to enter deep waters at all, preferring shallows, so it'll likely have its own unique way of getting fish from shallow waters

[warm flax]

and getting 0.3% stomach evey fish they caught?

[viscid mica]

It fishes with its ye ye ah mouth

[warm flax]

spino is way heavier than deino

[dusky surge]

thats fine if it's the tiny-ass fish yea

[leaden remnant]

if deino can't rely on ai, deinos are done

[warm flax]

annnd spino can hide like deino to apporach its prey
what is he gonna do? running on land out speeding them?

[fiery shard]

why nerf fish and offer no alternative? how does deino have to survive now?

[fiery shard]

fact

[warm flax]

sure, they can prey on deino.
good luck finding one cause they all starve or gather in the toxic hotspot ppl compalin about

[viscid mica]

Exactly

[dusky surge]

cant they just... eat the land AI, since unlike deino, they aren't nearly as reliant on water

[viscid mica]

They’ll be come a rare sight to se alike pachy in its current state

[slim dragon]

Deino wouldn't need to eat fish with one small change
If land AI came to drink occasionnally

[dusky surge]

if deino is a common sight, it really defeats the point of the animal LMAO

[warm flax]

oh suddelnly a apex heavier than deino can surrive through ai

[viscid mica]

Ya I don’t see that happening

[slim dragon]

Also I firmly believe deinos would have more chances at catching people if lunge was somehow nerfed

[stark knoll]

It's planned

[warm flax]

you know how much food deino can get from boar or deer? barely nothing

[dusky surge]

we're talking about what AI it has access to, not if it can or cant survive off it

[viscid mica]

With how rare Ai are rn didn’t think they’d would

[fiery shard]

given the frequency of AI, we are once again doomed to starvation

[slim dragon]

If you're doomed anyway, then just accept it and stop complaining

[stark knoll]

The frequency isn't the issue, official servers typically have ~400 ai on them at a time. The current problem is that their pathing and spawn locations are messed up, which the devs are looking into

[viscid mica]

Ong

[jade prairie]

or we could just, stop trying to create an issue where there currently isnt one?
deino does not need the food it gets from shoaling fish reduced

[fiery shard]

well. i hope it works out. for now, unfortunately, myself and many other people I know have had to leave game

[viscid mica]

The greatest threat to growning anything carnivorous rn is the looming threat of starvation from no Ai gracing you with their presence

[fiery shard]

we played on deino and now we can't survive

[viscid mica]

I mean you can still survive though far more difficult

[dusky surge]

i've thought it needed it reduced for literal months, so i'm glad to see it finally happen lol

[warm flax]

a new spawn deino can only eat frog now.

[viscid mica]

You gotta be much more tactful about location

[slim dragon]

I think deino being able to survive easily on AI it shouldn't even consider eating is an issue

[viscid mica]

And be constantly vigilant for elite fish