balance-feedback-discussion

[keen plover]

also galli has it insanely easy

[dusky surge]

mutations on their way to make dilo faster than carno

and yea, carno should threaten galli

[keen plover]

Forced into getting speed mutations to counter that!

I know charge lets you run faster but lol

[dusky surge]

#balance-feedback message

"And carnos will face a hard time against other dinos like Allo, Maia and Cera. What is the point of making it 1.3 tons?"

It would have a hard time against them, regardless of weight. There has never been a point where carno has ever been poised to be good against these guys

[winged plinth]

Not you again bruh

[dusky surge]

Do i know u

[winged plinth]

Anyway Carnos are bigger than Ceras irl, Allos and Carnos also are close in weight and size, also I'm not asking to make carnos above allos

[winged plinth]

The one who debated me for 1 hour about carnos?

You have a bad memory

[dusky surge]

I do

Thank u for noticing

[winged plinth]

You are welcome

[dusky surge]

Anyway 1800 or 1300 carno was gonna lose to allo and maia

In the concept art carno literally just bounces off maia LMAO

[winged plinth]

Did I say otherwise?

[dusky surge]

You implied that the nerf was to blame, where that's not the case

1800 or 1300, maia is just not on the menu

[winged plinth]

I didn't say carnos should win tho

[dusky surge]

Never implied you did

[winged plinth]

What I'm talking about is the balance of carnos is not balancing the game, however Allos can mid-high diff carnos in real life depends on the fight but what I'm talking about is give the carno a chance to do a good damage to an Allo

Allos are going to win most of the time yes but that doesn't mean to make it easier for it to win this would ruin the fun and the point of surviving

Btw 2 1800 tons carnos may do a huge damage to a solo Allo or maybe can kill it, carnos were strong @dusky surge

[dusky surge]

But that's not what Isle carnos are meant to do lol

[winged plinth]

That's what I'm trying to understand

The game just ruins the concept of other dinos

[dusky surge]

How

[winged plinth]

Ofc if you want the carno to be like legacy, a ruined dinosaur that even 1 utah can kill it

[golden coral]

What? Legacy carno was perfectly good

[winged plinth]

Like Allos are going to one shot carnos where real life allos won't get an ez fight?

[winged plinth]

The worst dino that ever been, literally no one played it unless if he just wanted to get some speed fun

[golden coral]

Well, if the allo gets the pin/grapple or whatever on the carno, the carno probably is going to die, yes

Just like a cera would

[winged plinth]

What do you mean by pin/grapple?

[golden coral]

... Not at all my experience back in the day, carnos were around, and they were absolutely good to play as

Especially when you had 2-3

[winged plinth]

Can't win against most of the dinos, it's fun yes but not at hunting

You know you can kill a legacy carno by 1 utah right?

[dusky surge]

You're faster. You can get away.

[winged plinth]

Where is the fun of being a coward then

If everybody can just get away and escape then no one will play as a carbo anymore because it's based as a coward dini that only runs from other dinos and not fight

[dusky surge]

If you call survival cowardice, you're playing the wrong game

[winged plinth]

That's not what I meant

[dusky surge]

It is what you said

Allo was going to destroy you

1800 or 1300 kilos, allo was meant to turn carno to shreds

[winged plinth]

Ok then imagine dying from starving because you can not have a fight with any other dinos

[dusky surge]

Carno's counter was always running

[dusky surge]

Then you clearly messed up

[winged plinth]

Where is the survival in this

[dusky surge]

If you can't find any small animals/juvi/AI/random corpses, IDK what to tell you

[winged plinth]

No I'm not, anyways I don't know why you hate carnos so much

[winged plinth]

Won't be enough

[dusky surge]

I love carno. Carno is the most fun it's ever been since this update

Legitimately I will likely play it for ages in its current state

[winged plinth]

How? By just keeping spamming rams on people?

Is this fun to you?

Let me show you a video

Nvm I missed the video but anyways, there was a video on YT that someone played as the new carno in the HT and just kept spamming rams on cera until it died

Can you tell me where is the fun of this he even didn't use left click normal bites once

And there is another one @rancid sluice killed literally 3 carnos even was not a full adult cera the video in #balance-feedback just above my message

[dusky surge]

Damn

[winged plinth]

What does this suppose to mean?

Have you changed your mind about carnos?

They are not fun if you just used rams and run this is dirty

[dusky surge]

No.

I still enjoy them as they are, because they're fun

[winged plinth]

Then I'm the one who is supposed to say damn

[winged plinth]

They are the same as legacy

Not fun

[dusky surge]

And legacy carnos were fun idk what you mean

[winged plinth]

Yeah fun to get killed by every dino

Define fun

[dusky surge]

You got killed as every dino as carno in legacy?

lol

[golden coral]

Allo is supposed to get some kind of grapple/pin, I guess similar to omnis thing, where you hold on to something and rip it apart or some such. Though that could have changed of course.

[winged plinth]

I didn't play as a carno once in legacy

Only in sandboxes

[dusky surge]

Okay so what do you know LOL

[golden coral]

No, carno is good at hunting too. And you only die to one utah if you don't know how to run, turn, and hunt like that. Even on no alt, carno is one of the few that can do well

[dusky surge]

"Legacy carno bad, but I've never played it"

[winged plinth]

Wait can they pounce?

[winged plinth]

I did, in sandboxes, heavy dino and not agile, bad damage and health, only good stam and speed which this is not anymore in legacy

I don't know what is happening to my keyboard

[golden coral]

No, not pouncing, just the whole pin target down. I guess allo would run up and grab you, not pounce you obviously. But the concept of "grapple" would still apply, just like how rex would grab you and pin/crush you in it's jaws. Allo might use it's arms instead, holding the target down while biting it.

[winged plinth]

I meant legacy

Almost same with Evrima tho but a better carno

[winged plinth]

Cool

[golden coral]

Legacy carno was one of the better ones, and you were lethal in groups against most things aside from adult apexes (and even then, young adults could be hunted)

[dusky surge]

Genuinely don't understand the hate. Legacy carno was great

[golden coral]

So did I. You just run ahead of the utah, turn, and catch it that way. Is it tricky, sure, but you can get away from being tailridden, unlike pretty much every other playable. And while utah is faster in ambush, it only has that for so long.

[winged plinth]

Explain how

[dusky surge]

A fast, endurance predator that was excellent in the open

[winged plinth]

Saying is easier than doing, what you said is not impossible to be done yes but if I ever faced a good utah I will lose in legacy, they are better agile and can jump above me to avoid being attacked

[winged plinth]

I knew that you would talk about speed 😂😂

Speed isn't about everything bro

Can you tell me how they made them the same size and weight ceras now can win against carnos easily

[golden coral]

You can still take them on, even if they might try to be tricky. Jumping only gets them so far, and carno has a good turn radius when walking so use that. But maybe people played worse way back when I was carno.

[winged plinth]

Ceras should be small game hunters not carnos, said by the biggest Ceras fan ever that wished ceras can defeat carnos

[golden coral]

Because IRL doesn't matter here

[dusky surge]

In this game, yuh it does lol

[golden coral]

People need to get over that, IRL has no relevance, the devs decide how the playable works and what its job is

[winged plinth]

Yeah sure is it ok if the isle once made the rex smaller than carnos and they say IRL doesn't matter?

[dusky surge]

You go fast, you avoid every single threat that's slower than you lol

[golden coral]

Look at stego, utterly bad at being a stego, and acts like a scorpion

[winged plinth]

It's not everything

[golden coral]

But hey, it's how the devs want it, strange as it might be

[winged plinth]

Coward then you can't fight you just run for your life

[golden coral]

Yeah, if they really want it that way, they can make up a reason

[dusky surge]

That's how speed works yes

[golden coral]

We could have tiny rexes, I don't know, maybe the replicator got drunk xD

[dusky surge]

Cowardice isn't a factor in a survival game

This isn't a game of chivalry

If you think a tactical retreat is cowardice, play a slower dino that isn't designed to have that advantage

[golden coral]

Kind of how a stego might have to run from a rex, yes

[dusky surge]

The idea that retreating somehow equals cowardice in a survival game lol

we really gotta get out of the PvP deathmatch mindset

[winged plinth]

But you can't lie that would destroy the dinosaur

[dusky surge]

Again, how

[winged plinth]

Saying Rex can be smaller than carnos and you say how?

My turn to ask, how you can ask how??

[dusky surge]

Rex can be smaller than carnos in some bizarre hypothetical scenario

[winged plinth]

Yes because this is how stegos are supposed to be

[dusky surge]

No, it isn't

[winged plinth]

IRL

[dusky surge]

Stego is meant to fight against its predator

It is not built for speed or agility

[winged plinth]

Yes but if you want to run you can run because in the game you are going to lose

[dusky surge]

Then you have to buff stego's speed

Which I doubt will fly well with the community

[winged plinth]

We are talking about the isle, if a full adult Rex smaller than carno, I just figured you guys worship the devs and every debunk I make you just make an argument to execuse them

[dusky surge]

I do not worship every single decision the devs make. I have a list of things I despise about the devs plans for the game. Don't make claims you have no proof of

Just because I like current carno doesn't make me the #1 fan of everything the devs do

[winged plinth]

I figured this when you said Rex can be smaller than carnos

How much did they pay you to defend every position they do?

[winged plinth]

So you enjoy spamming rams you lil spammer right?

Carnos now can be worst spammers than for honor characters

I mean if you played for honor once

[winged plinth]

I love carnos, I want to fight as a carno, did you understand my point?

[winged plinth]

Ofc I don't say fight everything in your sight, but there are limits why can't you fight ceras while IRL ceras are weaker than carnos?

Imagine your fav game destroy your fav dinosaur you will hate everything in it

[golden coral]

I mean, not really, any more than any other strange choice would.

[golden coral]

And carno is supposed to be like this too. If you think stego is supposed to be like that "IRL" then so would carno. You could make that argument for both.

[golden coral]

And you don't seem to grasp that that is not how carno works in the game. Any more than stego works like I wish it would. You think I'm happy with how they've "ruined" stego? No, but it's the devs choice to have stego work like it does.

It has nothing to do with defending the devs, just understanding that it's up to the devs to decide how they want a playable to work. I'll have to wait for mods to get a proper stego, and you'll have to wait for mods to get a proper carno too.

Sure, a tiny rex would "destroy" the dinosaur, just like how a scorpion stego "destroys" stego.

[winged plinth]

Rex isn't release yet so I don't know if you should run from a Rex or not, however IRL stegos doesn't have a chance against most Rexes fight

So that's why you are better to run in the game so you don't lose 5 hours

[golden coral]

Well no, most critters ingame didn't meet or evolved to match each other IRL. Just like how a whole lot of our ingame critters didn't work like they do ingame IRL either.

[golden coral]

And you're better off running as carno too, how is that any different?

[winged plinth]

Bro, I'm talking about if they faced each others

[golden coral]

You dislike carno having to run, calling it cowardice and all. Yet stego should run, then it's not cowardice?

[winged plinth]

Because carnos shouldn't run from a cera

Because Ceras are smaller than a carno

[golden coral]

Why not? They're not smaller in game

As a matter of fact, currently carno is smaller than cera

You keep thinking IRL have something to do with it when it doesn't

[winged plinth]

But the stegos are smaller than a Rex so that's why it should run because it doesn't have any chance against a Rex unless if the devs gave the stego a chance against a rex then ok

[winged plinth]

"current" which previous carnos are more realistic than current carnos

Why you guys execuse the devs

[winged plinth]

They would add mods in the game?

[winged plinth]

What are you talking about

[golden coral]

Carno isn't realistic in the first place, it charges, I don't think it did that IRL. Same with how stego didn't jab with its tail like a scorpion most likely, yet ingame it does.

[golden coral]

That the stego we have isn't a very good stego, isn't good at being a stego, and for some reason is a precision animal when that makes little to no sense.

I'm talking the design, since a tiny rex would be a design, or well, it would clearly be strange, but no stranger than most of the critters we have

[cosmic pelican]

Irl carno trying to charge the way it does in game would break its neck

[winged plinth]

You can't assume these if you didn't live with them, however carnos had the ability to charge on other dinos, why do they have hornes by your opinion?

[winged plinth]

That's why you get damaged if you charged on something heavier or bigger than you

[golden coral]

Most things in the game doesn't really work like they would IRL, this is pretty clear

[golden coral]

I don't know, but most theories talk about fighting over mates, or just to show off, or similar. Not as weapons at the very least.

And using the horns does not mean charge like carno ingame does for that matter, could have had a headbutt for example

[winged plinth]

There are no theory that says carnos didn't charge on their preys

[golden coral]

Point is that the critters in the game do not work like they would IRL more often than not, and even if they do, it's still because the devs want it and not due to realism.

[golden coral]

I'm not sure that's how it works, but sure I guess

Still doesn't really matter for the game

Look, how the critter works IRL only goes so far, in the end the devs decide what they want the critter to do. Hence, we got a scorpion stego, venomous troodon and dilo, a small carno that charges, a cerato that makes you vomit, and so on.

[winged plinth]

Actually there are differents here, because you are talking about gameplay mechanics being not realistic doesn't make a problem to me, the problem is only the size or the strength of the dinosaurs, like hererra never been climbing on trees, but I liked this do you know why? Because it's a gameplay mechanic, but imagine they made the hererra much bigger or much smaller than it has to be

[winged plinth]

But it's realistic, if you charged on something bigger than you or heavier you will damage your dino

[golden coral]

You could charge tenos, being 1600 kg to 1800 kg, that's plenty close to not work very well.

So not sure that holds up all that much

[winged plinth]

As I said, I don't care about gameplay mechanics, I only do about size and strength

[golden coral]

Right, and again, size IRL doesn't matter. Beipi isn't the accurate size, Omni isn't really a thing, we don't know how large rex and trike might be. Spino is a kaiju. Stego and deino aren't at what their max weights could be. And so on.

[winged plinth]

I said heavier, ofc the isle won't be realistic as reality becauss it's not Red dead redemption 2 but it can be in other ways than that

[golden coral]

Carno isn't meant to fight larger critters in this game, sure you could keep the size and just adjust the threshold, but you're not going up against allos or maias or anything anyway

It's designed as a small game hunter, it's not going to be good vs larger things. Anymore than stego is apparently going to be good vs agility despite it by all means being the critter to handle such opponents

[winged plinth]

Well allos are the winners most of the times but what I wanted is to make a good fight between those amazing species

Like the ability of Allos winning against 1800kg carno is ok because this is how IRL it will go, but doesn't mean to nerf carnos so they have 0 hope against an Allo even if they were in packs

[golden coral]

And I'd like a good fight between stego and rex, but we're not getting that either. And if they don't want carno to go up against larger things, they don't want that. So they adjust size and weight so it makes sense. Otherwise you'd get something like "why can't carno fight allo, they're close in size", when they don't want that to happen. So a downsize makes sense for that.

But how it would go IRL does not matter, at all. These aren't IRL critters, and they're not matched based on how it would go IRL but how they want it to go in the game.

[winged plinth]

Actually I don't care about beibi because I haven't know that one before the game however, it won't change anything because it's not a predator that can change the entire game they also changed it's design than IRL

[golden coral]

But it still counts, even if you don't care, it goes to show the point. Critters are sized for their roles, not always according to IRL.

Same with how their mechanics work

[winged plinth]

You can consider omni as a normal raptor, it actually was Utahraptor but they changed the name so it doesn't matter and wdym? rex and trike are already the most known dinosaurs we know almost everything about them, wdym by spino is a kaiju? And I don't know what doea stego and deino have to do with this

[winged plinth]

But does it change the game as the carno does? No so it doesn't matter

Bro my keyboard is kidding I literally have to edit every message after sending it

[winged plinth]

As I said I don't care about mechanics, I only want realistic sizes of the known dinosaurs

[golden coral]

Not really, omni is a made up JP raptor. And no, JP raptor is not an actual utahraptor as it turns out. And our spino is not realistic, it's a JP one, hence referred to as a kaiju, since it's very powered up from what an IRL spino would be, so it can defend/compete with rex. And neither stego nor deino has accurate weights to IRL, they're both put at what range the devs want them at. Hence why people sometimes want deino upsized. And we don't know if rex and trike ingame will have IRL weights or not, that was the point there.

[golden coral]

Why does it only matter if it "changes" the game?

[golden coral]

No, you only want realistic size for carno, since you don't care about the others

Why does the size matter all that much anyway? Not like it can't adjust for mechanics, or bite force, or anything else anyway

[winged plinth]

Yes I know and most of us prefer the JP design, I don't have a problem if they changed the omniraptor to a realistic utahraptor with feathers tho, but this doesn't change the gameplay of the game and the spino isn't a jp spino, actually this is how the previous accurate spino looked like and I prefer it more than the accurate do you know why? Because the accurate is a fodder even I can solo him with 1 hand also deino is overweighted by far yes but I don't actually have a problem with that because the point of the deino is just to be a terriefier for other players, they may also reduce it and the stego's so it's not big deal, you can talk to me later if they decided to buff them

[winged plinth]

Why does it matter if it doesn't change the game?

The carno's nerf and charge buff changed the entire game if you don't know

[leaden remnant]

feathered utahraptor coming at some point

[winged plinth]

I didn't say that, but carnos are one of those who can change the game

[winged plinth]

This is better tho

[leaden remnant]

i agree

[winged plinth]

Where did they announce it? And when?

Because I actually started get bored of the JP design it's very old

And simple

[winged plinth]

I don't know what is the differences between me and him

We literally have ths same suggestion

Even my same previous suggestions took more ❌ than ✅

[snow glade]

When allo is added I wouldn’t be mad at them adding weight back to carno

[bright oasis]

The difference is he has a purple name and you don't. That's pretty much it. He's a content creator, so he's got more people willing to interact with his posts

However, I don't think carno should just be "reverted" because you or him don't want to hunt small game. It should be balanced and tweaked from here, and not go back to square one where the devs are looking for ways to rebalance it again.

[winged plinth]

Me too

[snow glade]

For now though I think the changes are whatever, but it is a little dumb that carnos attack is just shift w and right click though, with not that much stamina penalty

[golden coral]

How? It wouldn't change anything more than any other playable being changed would? What makes carno so special?

[golden coral]

We finally got a carno that might be good at its job, and people want it reverted

Go figure xD

[winged plinth]

So they just worship him and don't care about the suggestion itself

I don't see any balancing when carnos get one shotted or just spam right click this is not balancing

[bright oasis]

One shot by what?

[winged plinth]

I will tell you how, right click spamming and run which is too op, low health that can be destroyed now by most of the dinos even ceras which ceras were rarely when against carnos, carnos now deal kess damage, way slower, literally a lot of things can change the game

[winged plinth]

Stegos I guess, although not literally one shot but still it dies fast

[winged plinth]

You love spamming mister

[bright oasis]

Stego, the 6 ton animal shouldn't be one shotting the 1.3 ton animal? Why?

[winged plinth]

What I meant is 1.8 carno can't be one shotted by a stego as I remember + weight doesn't have to do anything with damage btw

[golden coral]

Again, how does that change the game? Any more than any other playable being changed would? You could make that argument for any playables changes.

[snow glade]

But weight = health

[golden coral]

No, I do however want a carno that is good at hunting the small game its meant to hunt

[snow glade]

Except for troodon

[golden coral]

They could, on headshot, and with the new power swing, as they should

Even at 2T really, a carno should get oneshot by apexes and similar large critters if hit properly

[bright oasis]

It could be with a headshot jab. That was always the case. Besides, you can just w+Shift away from stego (which you shouldn't be fighting adult vs adult anyways, you're much smaller)

It's like getting upset that carno can potentially one shot something that weighs ~200 kg. Something nearly 6 times smaller than it.

[golden coral]

Troodon follows that too now

[snow glade]

Carnos are supposed to be small game hunters, but if they’re going for that then they need to make said small game fill their stomachs more

[winged plinth]

Are you serious? All that can changes the game, you die as a carno faster/you kill a carno faster + you are weak but your right click is overpower that you wouldn't need left click anymore sometimes

[golden coral]

Right, but that applies to any playable, is my point

[winged plinth]

Yes I know

[stark knoll]

The decrease in size directly leads to a smaller stomach

[golden coral]

Cera got changes, troodon got changes, stego got changes

Beipi being upsized would change things too

[snow glade]

In the HT? That’s a stupid change considering troodon is already one shot to anything bigger than juvy

[snow glade]

Good

[winged plinth]

It can small hunt as a 1.8 dinosaur too, why not? Also this is not the answer of my question why making it a spammer right click dinosaur

[golden coral]

Yes, even on live I think by now, could be wrong there. But troodon got other stuff to help it out now, and it's quite capable as it stands

[cosmic pelican]

Ever since backpounce is a thing it only has 60hp :/

[winged plinth]

Maybe head, but not body as now

[golden coral]

At what point have I said that it should be a right click spammer? All I said was that current carno seems good at its job

[cosmic pelican]

Only had 120 when dilo and herrera were first introduced

[snow glade]

Yeah it can small hunt as 1.8, but why does it need that much hp if it isn’t fighting larger species

[golden coral]

You don't think a trike or rex would oneshot a carno on body?

I'm pretty sure if you get grabbed or hit by an apex, and you're not too large, you're going down pretty quickly

[winged plinth]

Again, I know, but it may survive a stego's attack if it was in the body

[golden coral]

Yeah, the jab, not the swing

[snow glade]

The whole argument seems to be behind carno being the same as cera, but a carno shouldn’t be hunting a cera anyways

[bright oasis]

I've seen people request carno get charge bars for it's charge similar to dilo, diablo, or dryo. Not spammable but also not on some horrid time delay like it used to be.

[snow glade]

Unless it’s small

[golden coral]

The whole argument is Abdullah here wanting a "realistic" size carno so it can fight allo and stuff. Or so I've understood it

[winged plinth]

Bro, I don't say you can 1v1 a stego as a carno, however still carnos now are weak I don't know why you guys hate on carnos that much

[winged plinth]

Wdym?

[golden coral]

No one hates carno, just because we don't think it should fight larger things does not mean we hate it

[snow glade]

^

[golden coral]

Otherwise I'd have to claim everyone that likes current stego and how it works hate stego xD

[snow glade]

If anything’s gonna fight an allo it probably wouldn’t be a solo carno

[golden coral]

That carno isn't special when it comes to any changes affecting the game

Since you claimed earlier that beipi size did not matter

But it would also change things

[winged plinth]

But Carnos got heavily nerfed and you can't lie about that

[snow glade]

They got nerfed for the sake of realism

[winged plinth]

Beibi isn't a dinosaur that can fights anyways, it won't change anything

[golden coral]

It got both buffed and nerfed

[snow glade]

Hence “balanced”

[golden coral]

Sure it can, and if you made it larger, it would

[bright oasis]

The devs want it to be a small game hunter. That's what's been said about it for years. Attempted solutions for it's damage and abilities have been tried, to no avail. The one major thing they haven't done is decrease it's weight, which we are finally seeing.

It's likely not the end of the balance changes either, dondi has said it'll be faster than the 49 km it is in HT. I would expect more changes before the end of the ht too.

[winged plinth]

To defend theirselves and not be so weak? Imagine you have a body and there is a cera wants to take the body, you can't fight ceras anymore you will lose

[snow glade]

Carno = pro at running away from larger species

[golden coral]

That's the point

[winged plinth]

They can because they suppose to be stronger than stegos

[golden coral]

... That is literally the point of cera in that situation

If it wants the body, you give it up

[snow glade]

^

[golden coral]

Carn isn't the one to go "no, you go away" to a cerato

An allo might however

[winged plinth]

What makes it not?

[snow glade]

Especially if it’s a big cera. With their body down buff, you just don’t fight that unless you’re in a pack that will dominate it

[golden coral]

Stego shuld be stronger anyway, but so it's fine in some cases

[snow glade]

Uh because they shouldn’t be fighting ceras… they’re not small game unless juvy and lower

[winged plinth]

Why it shouldn't? Carnos are bigger than ceras, no point of making ceras stronger than carnos

[golden coral]

Because that's not the role for carno in the game

[bright oasis]

The cerato meant to be a body bully? Who gets a defense buff around bodies? And can make the body rot faster by puking on it? And can make you puke and ruin your stomach, diets, and stam? You want to fight the guy designed to fight around a body and defend said body from similar sized animals or below?

[golden coral]

It shouldn't, because they don't want it to in the game. Simple as that.

They want cera to be something you don't mess with as a carno

[winged plinth]

That will make it unplayable if you only hunt juvies mostly or subs

[golden coral]

Why? You can play that perfectly fine

There'll also be more small game in the future, and far more juvies/subs of larger critters to hunt

[snow glade]

Then run as a pack of carnos where you can have strength amongst solo larger game

[golden coral]

You'd be one of those hunting down juvie rexes probably

[winged plinth]

The nerf are more than buffs

[bright oasis]

I'll gladly be playing it. That's actually a fun niche.

[golden coral]

Maybe, depends on who you ask

[winged plinth]

I'm talking about realistic

[winged plinth]

Then change it

[bright oasis]

Well we aren't and neither are the devs

[snow glade]

Ok so make the carno taller, doesn’t mean it’s stronger

[winged plinth]

Carnos could do that before the nerf, anyway even ceras need to be nerfed btw, and I'm a cera main

[bright oasis]

I also don't see why hunting small players is such a bad thing when everyone has to grow.

[snow glade]

If you want them to add weight back to the carno, they’re just going to nerf everything else about it into the ground.

Pick your poison.

[bright oasis]

We already had that pretty much. And it sucked

Small game hunter niche for life babyyyyy

[winged plinth]

So we will be 3 carnos and 4 ceras against us? Or maybe 4 allos if they made it like legacy

[golden coral]

If there's multiple ceras, then you're still going to leave them alone

[snow glade]

I don’t see them ever making allo pack size that high

[winged plinth]

Old carno is fine with me

[golden coral]

I could see allos coming in 3-4 to be fair

But you're not meant to go after them as carnos

[winged plinth]

Bigger and stronger and bigger bones

[snow glade]

I mean, I see allo pack being 3-4 when there’s other things to help counter them.

If they add an allo now, it’s the apex, and probably should have a group limit of 2 like deino

[winged plinth]

Where is the fun in that? I want to feel stressed when I fight like before

[winged plinth]

Yes but before, you don't

[bright oasis]

Then I suppose play one of the other 65 total planned playables

[winged plinth]

I think they will, like legacy

[bright oasis]

If you want to feel stressed, go play dryo

[snow glade]

“the skull was able to withstand forces that appear when tugging on large prey items. Carnotaurus may therefore have fed mainly on relatively small prey, but also was able to hunt large dinosaurs.”

To hunt larger game, they stuck in packs

[winged plinth]

Yes but do you realize now that current carno can2do anything with Allos even if carnos were in a pack and Allo was a solo?

[golden coral]

Well no, if you have 2-3 carnos, you'd push one, maybe two ceras off a body probably. Which is fine, no?

[winged plinth]

And how can you satisfy carno's fan like me? I may love or prefer carnos rather than other dinos

[golden coral]

Yeah, dryo is great for being eternally skittish and worried about everything

[winged plinth]

Why

[golden coral]

You don't, unless with mods

[bright oasis]

Oh boy a balance discussion where two people both have to imagine how an unreleased playable will play, how exciting

[golden coral]

Same with how I won't get a good stego until mods most likely

[bright oasis]

Not everyone will be happy with every dinosaur.

[golden coral]

We both have to deal with the devs not wanting our favourite playables to work the way we want them to

[winged plinth]

"was able to hunt large dinosaurs" ok buddy?

[golden coral]

It's why I hope for kentro, might be more fun

[winged plinth]

I don't see a problem in that, because not all ceras are going to be 4 anyways

[golden coral]

So, team up to fight the larger things, problem solved?

[winged plinth]

Do they ever have mods in the games? I don't think so, also no I want it to be official, if you want it to be a small game hunter then do it with mods, I can use your same argument

[bright oasis]

Modding support is planned

[golden coral]

They used to have, and have said they will have, sometime in the future

[golden coral]

Right, but what you want is irrelevant, just like what I want is

[winged plinth]

No doubt Allos will destroy carnos even 1800kg ones

[golden coral]

What matters is what the devs want, and thus, we both have to play on unofficials with mods

[bright oasis]

Well then don't fight them

[golden coral]

Then it doesn't need to be 1800, won't change anything

[winged plinth]

Still I think an Allo can defeat 2 carnos, which is impossibe IRL but not in the game

[bright oasis]

I'll play on both official and unofficials cause I'm built different 💪

[golden coral]

But IRL doesn't matter, if it can do so in the game, so be it

[golden coral]

I'll get my proper stego one day!

[winged plinth]

And what if the unofficials stucked on the same official stats?

[winged plinth]

Bro, if we are 2 1800kg carnos we can destroy an allo easily

Or maybe not easily but we could

[bright oasis]

Well carno isn't 1800 kg anymore

Small game hunter go brrrr

[golden coral]

Well then you're kind of out of luck, might have to make your own server then

[winged plinth]

It would, an 1800kg carno can get a better fight with an Allo than 1300kg one, at least the allo will get out injured

[golden coral]

But it's doubtful you're the only one that wants a larger carno, so you'll probably find something

[golden coral]

But you're not meant to fight the allo

[winged plinth]

That's what I'm disagreeing with and you guys execuse the devs and worship them like a god

[golden coral]

Maybe you can fight it as three or four 1300 carnos, for all we know

We don't really know allos stats, but it does not seem like it's something carnos will like to fight

[winged plinth]

Wdym?

[winged plinth]

2 carnos yes
1 carno no

[golden coral]

Meanwhile, I've repeatedly stated I am unhappy with stego. Difference is, I know it doesnt matter that I'm unhappy with it, the devs aren't going to care about my opinion on stego

[bright oasis]

We are saying the devs want small game hunter carno. That's what we are getting.

Nothing I have said or Erik has said has even come close to dev worship.

[winged plinth]

Don't you think that's too much?

[golden coral]

No, not even as 2, you might want to, but that doesn't mean it will work that way

[golden coral]

Why? There's no real need to fight an allo anyway most likely

[winged plinth]

I know the devs won't either with me, but I'm free to say whatever I want

[golden coral]

You are. No one here is saying otherwise. We're just pointing out that carno in the game isn't meant to work like you seem to want it to

[winged plinth]

But we can vote to make old carno back

[golden coral]

And that it's just how it is

[golden coral]

I don't believe devs go by vote to make decisions

[bright oasis]

No you wont.

[winged plinth]

Bro 2 1800kg carnos can easily kill the allo if we went that accurate

[winged plinth]

For fun and challenge I guess yes you can

[golden coral]

But it's not accurate, it doesn't matter if they could do it IRL.

So no, in the game, even two carnos at 1800 might lose to an allo if they want it that way

[golden coral]

If you want to throw away your playable, sure I guess

[winged plinth]

Whatever you just said, Carno used to work like I said, so what I just said isn't wrong and we have like 4 years of experience that carno can fight large species in the game like tenos but now they can't unless in packs

[winged plinth]

If the Allo was like +2 tons then I don't see any problem that 2 1800kg carnos will lose that easily

[winged plinth]

Yes but more fun fights with an 1800kg carno

They are going to make the carno like legacy

Which is thr worst

I think the devs love see us fighting each others just like this

[golden coral]

Yes, it used to work like that, then the devs decided they didn't want it like that, and changed it. That's all there is to it. Devs want small game hunter carno, not larger game fighter carno.

[winged plinth]

https://youtu.be/9u7zZM0tBQc?feature=shared
@winged plinth @bright oasis satisfied with this?

[golden coral]

You're focused on fighting, instead of survival. Think more in terms of staying alive, not so much what you can fight

Carno in legacy was good, for that matter, and you're not going to convince me otherwise. I had so much fun on it, throughout survival

[winged plinth]

But at least I can defend my food rather being bullied because I'm just too weak

[golden coral]

And you can, against smaller stuff

[snow glade]

Can you open your eyes and read the part where I said as a pack, as I’ve been saying this whole time. The weight changes don’t stop them from hunting large game in a pack.

[winged plinth]

Yeah you had too much fun because no one could catch you

[winged plinth]

Check the video above I sent

[golden coral]

Yes, it was fun to see others try to chase you down. It was also fun to chase down any poor juvie or other small target that decided to wander across the open plains or drink from a visible spot.

I enjoyed carno more than most survival critters, was my go to for most of my time

[winged plinth]

I get bored, there is no action in that

If you want survival then go to a real forest by yourself

How do you find it fun killing the same dinosaur without getting damaged

[golden coral]

Why are you looking for action in a survival game where action might mean death? Pick and choose your fights, and you can have action, suitable for your playable and it's capabilities

[golden coral]

Because I care about staying alive as my critter. Do you think I play dryo so I can get into fights?

[winged plinth]

I don't really care if I died, I had fun at least, better than getting scared of everything

I can survive also, I will stay away from big packs, or big dinosaurs, that doesn't mean the devs have to take the ability to fight against some creatures because of the terms of "survival"

[winged plinth]

Dryo is not a fighter like carno

[golden coral]

So basically, you're not playing to survive then. Well, the game is survival, so things will be balanced and work accordingly.

[golden coral]

Carno isn't a fighter compared to the others, that's the thing

[winged plinth]

As I said, I can survive, for example staying away from large packs or big dinos? Or running from them, but not taking away the ability to defend myself against others, if you survived without a point then there is no way to play as a carno

[winged plinth]

IRL it is

Just imagine you are strong, and you meant to have a good strength but someone took it from you and you need to stay away from the others under the terms of wrong survival that you understand

[golden coral]

... But this isn't IRL. It's a game. And in the game, carno isn't designed as a fighter.

[winged plinth]

I don't know why you don't love realistic things although the game is more realistic than legacy

[golden coral]

You mean like how stego is meant to be great at AoE, flank defense, and not having to worry about precision or omnis/troodons attacking it due to being able to just swipe them off with its tail? Things like that?

Meanwhile, stego is utterly trash for what a stego should be, but I have to deal with that

[winged plinth]

Bro what stegos should do with this they are apexes imagine making a stego low tier dinosaur

Also it's not impossible to kill a stego as an omni

[golden coral]

Stego is really bad at doing what I mentioned. Whereas it should be good. So it's the same issue as how you say carno should be more powerful, but it's not. Because game says otherwise.

[golden coral]

True, it's far too easy to kill stego, that was my point

You think carno should be more powerful because realism, to which I'm pointing out that yeah, if we went by realism, stego would be better at the things it's currently really bad at

All the issues of carno not being like you think it should, can probably be applied to every other playable

Since people have their own idea of how it should work, based on realism or otherwise

[winged plinth]

I don't see the problem with that, since stegos are big you can't hit smaller things easily, unless you have good skills

[golden coral]

I would like a more realistic stego, but we're stuck with what we have

[winged plinth]

We will continue this tomorrow, have a good night

[golden coral]

That's the thing, stego should be really good at hitting smaller things easily

Just like how you think carno should be able to fight allo better

[winged plinth]

Because stegos are huge, big and it nostly depends on your skills

[golden coral]

Fair enough, have a good night then!

[golden coral]

Well, skill, not that it matters much in this game, can be applied to any playable, so it doesn't matter for the point

[winged plinth]

The problem is you are pointing something stegos are not bad with, you are the one who is bad with

[golden coral]

And this could not apply to you and carno? Exceept no, stego is terrible at the things I mentioned, it has nothing to do with me or skill. It's literally in how the attacks and stuff work.

If you want to argue skill then that applies to you as carno too, you could fight cera and allo with smaller carno, just be better

[winged plinth]

Carnos are different because you can't kill an allo by skills + stego isn't terrible if you can't kill a single omni then it's your problem and I don't blame you stegos are hard to be played with

[golden coral]

How do you know you can't? Carno is not different at all

[winged plinth]

Newer players are going to destroy an 1000 hour player if they went to allo vs current carno

[golden coral]

You really seem to think carno is something special, when its not.

[golden coral]

Also it wasn't a matter of killing a single omni, I'm saying stego is terrible at doing it, compared to what it should be, due to design

[winged plinth]

It is, because carnos can't win against allo, but a stego can win against omnis, you gotta have a good aim and not waste your stamina

[golden coral]

Same as you think carno should be more powerful

Carno can probably win vs an allo, but you had better be really good

[winged plinth]

Then tell me how to fix this, how do you want them to make the stego? More lighter? That's not a fix

[winged plinth]

We will see about this

Gotta go to sleep good night

[golden coral]

No, and it doesn't matter. The entire point is that you think carno doesn't work like it should, and I don't think stego works like it should. And we're both stuck with that.

[winged plinth]

We will continue this tomorrow

[golden coral]

Sure

[tidal jacinth]

Carnos when they can't just alt bite and face tank ceratos anymore 😡

it literally completely demolishes the things that it's actually meant to hunt but people are still throwing themselves at diablos and ceratos without thinking

[balmy pewter]

What do you mean ?

[jovial vessel]

why did the devs think it was a good idea to have it so one bite from a cera makes you throw up??? that seems broken af

[golden coral]

Probably a bit overtuned, the idea was that it'd take less bites for smaller stuff, and more for larger, instead of always taking 5 bites (on a full stomach)

[dusky surge]

I MUST DESTROY THE LARGEST THING I SEE AND IF I CAN'T MY ANIMAL IS BAD

I refuse to engage with my animal in any fashion that can't be put into an epic fight montage for my 30 subscriber youtube channel

[winged plinth]

@balmy pewter you are contradicating yourself, first you say we can't use 1v3 people as an infoemation but then you say a cera or a teno can't die to a solo carno? What about the 3v1?this is the most contradicating thing I've ever seen

[dusky surge]

how is it contradictory

[tribal idol]

yea what? theres nothing contradictory in that

hes just saying you cant use your self getting rolled by 3 carnos as a solo teno or cera to say it overpowered

in actual 1v1's cera and teno dominate the fight

[balmy pewter]

How when ppl are saying and using clips of them on SOLO teno or cera dying to three carno that’s not a winning fight and not a build problem with Carno is what I’m saying.

[balmy pewter]

They didn’t read the conversation above or see the clip that someone used to complain about Carno when they were a solo cera fight 3 adult Carno.

[balmy pewter]

Thank you 🙏🏻

[winged plinth]

And what about the one that soloed 3 carnos?

This is contradicating, you are literally saying "we can't use 3v1 cera as a useful information" and what is the reason? "because a cera can't die to a 1v1 with a solo carno" bro you have been literally talking about 3 carnos previosuly and now talking about 1 solo carno? This is contradicating of what you have just said

[balmy pewter]

I’m talking about the ppl DYING as a solo to them

[winged plinth]

And you can't say "realistcally" because the game is not realistic anymore after the nerf

[balmy pewter]

I’m saying realistically as for the game

[winged plinth]

And still you think carnos are the best while they can just spam right click? Where is the fun in spamming?

[balmy pewter]

not like real life

[balmy pewter]

I didn’t say they were the best I’m saying they are the closest to balanced

[winged plinth]

Previous carno make you ambush with 1 charge, that's the point of a charge to ambush your prey, but now you literally can fight with it, I prefer previous carno because it wasn't a spammer and the game punishs you if you lost the charge

[winged plinth]

Still not as balanced as the previous one

Carnos now can literally get bullied by wveey every dinosaur

[balmy pewter]

Previous Carno was unplayable and was a starving similar, it’s always supposed to be a small game hunter and that’s what it can do! now that the developers finally executed their goal in equipping Carno with what it need to hunt apparently ppl are upset like usual.

[golden coral]

Except carno wasn't really meant to be an ambusher, nor did it work well as one. And pursuit/endurance carno is far more fun than ambush, leave that for allo and maybe alberto. But ambush carno was never really good overall, much less at its job of small game hunter.

[dusky surge]

carno is not meant to be an ambush predator. leave that for allo. carno is a pursuit predator

[sonic flame]

I really like the implication here that the game was realistic before a balance change of all things

If you're not using realism to describe the aesthetic, then the game's not been realistic since literally day one, by design

If you are using realism to describe the aesthetic, then no amount of balance changes would shift that around, since balance =/= art direction

[golden coral]

Realistic in terms of size/weight only I think

[sonic flame]

Eh, even then we've got a good amount of exceptions if you're talking about paleontological accuracy

The only time I'd see size/weight be applied as a realistic thing is if you're talking about model size lining up with character mass, but the only exception to that is Troodon atm

[rancid sluice]

The most important thing is that the developer is satisfied with his work bra

[rancid sluice]

But I'm not, I'm not satisfied! that's why I'm writing feedback!)

@balmy pewter You said it like solo carno killd me and I'm saying he's too strong. No, I killed three carnos, they are too weak (before that, too, there was no problem to kill a solo carno) On the other hand he will eradicate dilos and raptors too, just because of the dumb endless mechanics

[balmy pewter]

You were a cera and that’s not “small game“ also ppl forget that you can’t develop builds around SKILL ISSUES ! I’ve seen over 10 clips of the HT carno running through solo players on bigger tier dinos like solo dib teno and cera, I promise you that you can’t recreate that clip you made EVEN 6/10 fights you honestly just ran into really bad players and that clip makes that very clear. It’s just an endless loop of ppl that can’t play or ppl that genuinely just don’t like Carno that complain and force it into the ground with rewords! and very good right now for what the developers SAY they want out of it

[neon hound]

Yea current Carno is really good

[neon hound]

Yeah no this is exactly what carno should be

Small game hunter that has trouble standing up to big threats

[rancid sluice]

Dude, look at this huge mom's son. How can anyone hate him? I'm going to miss him.RIP

[neon hound]

It's speed allows it to outrun prey but also predators

It has it's place and once we get the next three dinos of rex, trike and maia everything should be a bit more balanced with rex and trike on the loose

[golden coral]

Not sure rex and trike will be all that balanced but at least it'll be interesting

[rancid sluice]

why is that?

[neon hound]

I like him being smaller

[golden coral]

Because it's what the devs want in the game for it

[rancid sluice]

aaaaaaaaa

[neon hound]

Because that's ai and The Isle isn't about realism it's about what is balanced and cool

[balmy pewter]

Lmfao what’s that ?

[neon hound]

Also using ai

[rancid sluice]

The future bro XD

[neon hound]

It's the rule of cool for the devs and it's a great way of making new mechanics, Beipi can't swim in real life but it can in The Isle because it's cool and fun

[golden coral]

To be fair, I do think the info there is more or less correct, but it doesn't matter, game only cares about realism when it suits it

[balmy pewter]

What was the point tho of posting that

[rancid sluice]

he said that carno\ should be like this, although in reality it was bigger, but you have already said that the developer's opinion is meant here

[balmy pewter]

Yeah we all know what the Dino’s should all really be like lol but the owner of the game has saw so many time he doesn’t care about real life stats it’s a game and he’s gonna make it how he wants

[rancid sluice]

Thanks again for the explanation!

[rancid sluice]

I don't know what I can say. All THAT less then him will die .we have coped with the task)

[balmy pewter]

If it was based off real life stats stego would be 6 times smaller Rex would be three times bigger and Deion would be like 2 times bigger and stronger

lol

[rancid sluice]

lol

[golden coral]

No idea why you'd think stego would be smaller, estimates put it at 7-8T xD

[neon hound]

If they gave the Hypsi a gun and made it cool and balanced I wouldn't care whether or not it could hold it, it's a Hyspi with a gun and that's cool

[golden coral]

But yeah, rex would be pretty much the supreme being here, and deino would be massive

Oh and spino would be, well, god only knows really, but certainly not what we're getting in game

[neon hound]

Theri might not be able to use it's claws for combat as it's still debated what they were used for

[golden coral]

Better idea: Let gen2 "humans" grab and hold hypsis and use them as improvised guns

[neon hound]

Yes

Also pretty sure gen 2 are real humans and they aren't related to gen 1

They are still real even if artificially made

[golden coral]

Maybe, not up to date on the lore to be honest

[cerulean drift]

that's for larger specimens tho

[neon hound]

I never really thought gen 1 and 2 were related I just thought that they were just called that because they were the first and second attempts at making humans

[rancid sluice]

use them .Just like we use dolphins with explosives man

[golden coral]

But idea still stands, I think it'd be hilarious if a desperate gen2 tried to use a hypsi as a weapon. Point at the incoming carno and hope the hypsi player has good aim and wants to live as well

[golden coral]

Yep, but it was just to point out that if we go by all accurate IRL sizes, things would look different, but stego would get larger, not smaller if anything. At least if we go by all critters max sizes

[rancid sluice]

Dude, now the real question is, do you really get high talking about "small stuff", I don't even want to think about it

[neon hound]

Also raptors would have feathers which honestly would just be really cool

[neon hound]

What does that even mean

[rancid sluice]

I'm just wondering, do you probably fly a pteradactel or something?

[golden coral]

Huh?

[golden coral]

Well, utah and austro will have feathers, do they count? :D

[neon hound]

Wait Utah is gonna be it's own thing with feathers

😄

[golden coral]

I believe so yes, we are supposed to, or were supposed to, get an actual Utahraptor

And if so, it might be feathered at least, since it doesn't have to be JP cool raptor

[balmy pewter]

The isle in games stego is so beefed out and buffed in the game then what it was in irl and don even said it was lol and if you actually know what and how stego was irl you would know its was just a cow and with really wasn’t that big and it wasn’t a apex its was dust compared to real herbi apex’s

[neon hound]

JP raptors were never cool

[cerulean drift]

Jp3 raptors were good

[golden coral]

No, no it's not. Current ingame stego is smaller than it'd be IRL. Also considering when any critter lived, I don't think you can even argue one is an apex and another is not. No, stego wasn't just a cow, that's an odd way of looking at it. Stego in the game is rather weak, compared to what stego would be, especially in how it functions.

[neon hound]

They were alright they alongside the Spino were the only redeeming qualities about that movie

[golden coral]

Fair, but you get the point, I'm sure

[neon hound]

Yep

[golden coral]

They do want the whole JP style, hence we have omni in the first place, and "kaiju" spino xD

[cerulean drift]

yeah thats fair lol

[rancid sluice]

I just Googled the size of the stegosaurus, and I guess you're saying it was the size of this cow?

[neon hound]

Nah it was a good bit bigger than that

[rancid sluice]

A little bit yes, he just wrote that the stegosaurus was the size of a cow

[golden coral]

More so that stegos were really dense, as in weight (though possibly mentally as well)

[neon hound]

Most dinos were kinda dumb

[cerulean drift]

they meant stego was basically a cow

[golden coral]

So while it wouldn't be visually larger, stego would none the less be heavier than currently in game if we go by full accuracy

[cerulean drift]

not as big as a cow

[neon hound]

Including raptors they just were smarter than most other dinos

[rancid sluice]

and I mean, he was bigger than a cow. I Googled its size, what are you talking about, I do not know

[golden coral]

Eh, hard to say, but stego did have tiny brain, though clearly it was smart enough to survive

[cerulean drift]

its behavior

not size

[neon hound]

All creature were smart in survival

[rancid sluice]

show me where it's the size of a cow, apparently Google is showing me the wrong stegosaurus

[rancid sluice]

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[neon hound]

Nearly all creatures are smart enough to survive

[golden coral]

To be fair, can't cows be quite dangerous

[rancid sluice]

I'm sorry! Okay, I'm tired of reading comments about ducklings

[golden coral]

Ducklings?

[rancid sluice]

baipe sorry. a dont evenn know the name

[cerulean drift]

they were defo top of the game in their time period

[rancid sluice]

water uta

[neon hound]

The only creature that I would say was so stupid it couldn't survive would be dodos just because they had no predators

[golden coral]

Oh okay! Yeah, fair!

[neon hound]

How is Beipi a water Utah

It's a penguin

And a duck is also a great description

[rancid sluice]

No, no, I'm sorry, it was so hard to understand what I was talking about.

[rancid sluice]

Don't forget my example with dolphins!

[neon hound]

No still don't get it

[rancid sluice]

for me, this beipy is a raptor in the water, everyone knows raptor or duck, hipsy and beipy, I confuse them, I don't care about them

[golden coral]

Nothing to be sorry for, no worries!

[rancid sluice]

but now I'm tense, are you really answering me now that you've forgiven me, or are you ALSO using a sarcastic tone?

[neon hound]

Smalls are terrible is your opinion

[rancid sluice]

No no, I'm trying to respect them at the moment! I'm wondering, I think that developers should work on the balance, usually hipsies lose 1 on 1 duck, do not forget that a pteradactel in theory can kill anyone 1 on 1. you need to contact the balance department

[balmy pewter]

No i didn’t lol

[rancid sluice]

What I want to say is that you don't usually come across this kind of talk about it, because no one plays it and NO ONE is interested in it.

[neon hound]

This is why I want Beipi upgrades

[rancid sluice]

I do not know what improvements you are talking about, I just wrote nonsense as an example.

so stop xd

[neon hound]

Speed and damage increases

[rancid sluice]

I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR WATER RAPTOR XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[golden coral]

No, I was being serious. There was nothing to forgive or to take issue with. I didn't figure out what you meant, you clarified, so it's all good. Just meant you dont need to be sorry for anything, you did nothing bad or wrong.

And unfortunately, yes, smalls aren't that popular, and it's a shame

I play dryo at times, its always such a surprise to find another one

[rancid sluice]

So, guys, you are very nice, it even stings me that I am so toxic, I will stop

it's like attacking that creature from real life that doesn't have predators, you talked about it above

That's how I feel.when talking to you

continue the discussion about whether it causes enough bleeding baby baipy

It was toxic too.

right now there will be a detailed analysis of this

[balmy pewter]

Stego was very small compared to the tv version it gets and in game versions. And updated stats say it basically acted like a cow and just was over all not an apex herbi. its top predator was much smaller carnivorous then what you see it be put up against in games and tv. The spikes on its tail were only about 2-3 feet and had very litter mobility.

[mint star]

this smells like propaganda

[balmy pewter]

And like I said the isle developers and don have even said that their game stego is buffed lol

and that’s how they want it nothing wrong with it but it’s true

[mint star]

@opal echo hit this man with those stego size estimations

[rancid sluice]

It smells like someone needs to put their focus in the right direction

[mint star]

i dont know what that means

[rancid sluice]

The famous touch the grass and change your hobby

[mint star]

what does that mean too

[balmy pewter]

Anyway lol

[rancid sluice]

Have you played League of Legends? or dota

[mint star]

no

[balmy pewter]

I love stego but it’s funny when ppl don’t know what stego actually was like.

[mint star]

noone knows what stego was actually like

its been extinct for like, 90 million years

[rancid sluice]

That explains it. Hyperactive children play a lot and think a lot about the game, putting it in 1st place, then you tell them that. But I expected it.what will he write more, to be honest, and what should he hide? I'm like that myself

[dusky surge]

Stop asking AI for concrete answers lmao

[rancid sluice]

хахахахахаххаха

[mint star]

bro hitting that google AI

surprised it didnt tell you it had 2 brains in its hips like an octopus

also goddamn 4 meters tall is a BIG cow

[rancid sluice]

Any more questions?)

[golden coral]

I've no idea where you get the cow thing from, to be honest. And sure, "visual size" wasn't very large, weight however was. You should keep in mind the difference between those two. Stego could get up to 7-8T in size IRL according to estimates. And what, 9m or so long. As for behaviour, I don't think we can see much on that. And well, allos hunted small/young stegos, not adult ones, so not sure what that says about allo then. Also what, no, stego tail had immense reach and flexibiltiy, it literally could reach up to it's neck and so on. As for length of the spikes, a meter or so, possibly longer, is plenty enough to cause immense damage if you get impaled, so you know, still a very impressive weapon.

[mint star]

yeah how do i play tanorsaurus reex

evarma ?

[rancid sluice]

it seems that they said that they were talking about behavior, not about size, I missed that word, I will not double-check that comment

[golden coral]

Right, but it's not. They might think, or consider it, but compared to real life one, ingame stego is pretty unimpressive.

[rancid sluice]

better play tanorsaurus sex

evuriama

[cerulean drift]

visual size is how they get the weight estimates

[golden coral]

I mean, you're the one thinking ingame stego is more impressive than the real animal, somehow

[golden coral]

No, not quite. With size, we generally mean weight, not height/length.

[mint star]

yeah uh, i dont think thats right lamo

[golden coral]

Hence why stego was very dense, for it's "visual" size

[mint star]

you look at the front leg of an anky and you see something that weighs minimum 1 ton

you measure the actual density of the bones and you find an animal that could potentially support more than 9 tons

[golden coral]

Stego is not very "large" visually, but apparently very heavy, makes sense if it "competed" with sauropods or how it went

[mint star]

god im so sad we will never be able to witness how these dinosaurs evolved or competed

[cerulean drift]

you dont think bone size and overrall length and height goes into play of the weight?

[balmy pewter]

I don’t think it is lol real life stegosaurs was a cow

[mint star]

seeing stegosaurs compete with ankylosaurs on the rise would have been so damn cool

[golden coral]

Oh yeah, anky also got upsized a bit, and then possibly downsized? Not sure how that went, but yeah, dense critter

[golden coral]

Sure it does, but not the only part, hence as Owl mentioned, density

But my point was more so there that size generally means weight, not specifically how tall or long a critter is

Hence why anaconda is larger than retic python, despite the latter being longer

[mint star]

you could be the tallest bloke on the street and you would still weigh less than the sumo wrestler half your height

[golden coral]

Or elephant/giraffe if you measure by height

[golden coral]

Based on what? Also being a cow does not at all negate power or weaponry or something, so it's not really relevant here anyway, since all critters in game are played by human minds and all that

[cerulean drift]

so you think that 7 ft tall stegosaurus specimen weighs as much as the largest specimen?

[golden coral]

But stego was hardly a cow if you look at the physical aspects, maybe in mentality, but even so

[cerulean drift]

which is 11 ft tall

[mint star]

depending how dense the actual stego itself was, with muscle and bodymass

[golden coral]

I mean, a larger stego would be heavier than a smaller one

That's... not the argument or point I'm trying to make

[mint star]

the point im trying to make is a thagomizer

i am not good at carving

[golden coral]

I'm pointing out that when we refer to the size of something, we talk about it's weight/mass, not how long or tall the critter is

[cerulean drift]

yeah but they dont just randomly come up with the weight of an animal

[golden coral]

No but weight does not always mean being longer/taller than something else, which was the point

[cerulean drift]

they take everything into consideration

yes ik

[golden coral]

So then, why are we arguing. I was pointing out to that other person that sure, stego in some movies (JP 2), has been vastly oversized visually, but that does not mean that they were "small" critters (by weight/mass)

[cerulean drift]

on average they werent 6 tons

[balmy pewter]

You clearly are not listening lol

[golden coral]

What do you mean then?

[golden coral]

Maybe not, but on average, most critters wouldnt be very large, not even the more impressive critters

[cerulean drift]

some specimens being under 2 tons

[golden coral]

Average trikes were not very large, even if there are some rather hefty specimens

[cerulean drift]

tbf we've only found so many out of most likely billions

[golden coral]

Which might apply to a lot, we only have the one carno still I think?

[cerulean drift]

but most large specimens are estimated off of a few fossils

like copium rex is estimated off of 2-3 fossils I think

[golden coral]

But I think stego on average were around 3-4T?

[golden coral]

The what now?

[cerulean drift]

E.D. Cope rex

[golden coral]

Sounds a little better put that way xD

Anyway, ingame critters sometimes matches max sizes, sometimes not, and sometimes are completely different due to game reasons. So not that it really matters.

[mint star]

(diablo was put at 3 tons because, quoting dondi, "We only have a single skull.")

size of the playable for the game can be changed for whatever reason is necessary

[cerulean drift]

yeah it doesnt really matter, tbf I think its a bit ridiculous stego will be fighting off rex

[golden coral]

And we got tiny beipi

[golden coral]

Well, making it run is even more silly

[mint star]

well it kinda has to fight off rex, or it needs to outrun it

otherwise it just

dies

[golden coral]

But that's kind of why it's a good thing large stegos are a thing, there is "realism" precedent for stego being up to 8T, and that could allow for it to fight off a rex

Not that they need any realism argument, it's purely a matter of being able to either run or fight

[cerulean drift]

yeah but if the strongest carnivore in the game is losing to a stegosaurus on average whats gonna happen to the other apex carnivores

[mint star]

balance, probably

[golden coral]

Well, ideally any carni loses on average to their prey if they go after another full healthy adult

[cerulean drift]

I'd defo rather have it outrun rex

[golden coral]

But well, the issue purely is that stego isn't relly built for running, so it looks weird

[cerulean drift]

cause rex still has to fight shant and trike

[mint star]

kentrosaurus arrives

[golden coral]

Never will understand why shant can fight rex, but stego can not

Sure, shant has weight/mass, but no real weapon

Meanwhile stego has weapon but less weight

[slim dragon]

the average tyrannosaur is like 1.5 ton
Rex is an outlier

[cerulean drift]

their size is the weapon

[golden coral]

Literally, make stego 8T, undo the nerfs/adjust damage/stamina drain and we're good to go

[mint star]

i think its engrained in the mindset of the isle playerbase because shants always been big and had a rivalry with rex or something idk

[cerulean drift]

they also had a decently strong biteforce

hence the stomp ability

[golden coral]

Right, and a meter long bone spike into a rex chest or head wouldn't do anything then, or so it kind of seems

It just seems odd to me

[slim dragon]

I came just at the right time to witness an eat grass and die conversation I see
I'm truly blessed

[mint star]

if stego was downsized and had its sprint animation changed to make it into a creature that runs like hippos or rhinos to build up speed, i guess that could work

[cerulean drift]

I think 15 tons stomping on something would be more fatal than a spike to the leg

[mint star]

scroll up and it gets funnier

[golden coral]

Which is weird considering stegos could compete with rexes during prog, depending on the "era" and how balance was

[slim dragon]

I did read everything

[mint star]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1283254654989369426/ezgif-4-3533c1a89b.gif

[golden coral]

I don't think shant would reach to stomp on rex unless it knocks it down first, and stego could hit rex chest, so why the leg? Or hit the head if rex goes in for a bite?

[slim dragon]

I think 15 tons stomping on your toe would be less fatal than a spike through the chest

[golden coral]

At the very least with tail flexibility plus game, there's plenty enough reason

[cerulean drift]

yeah thats the point

shoulder barge followed by the stomp

[golden coral]

Yeah, but that does not seem any easier or more plausible than "swing tail into face"

[mint star]

whats another large herbivore that will result in being stego-fied

pachyrhino?

[slim dragon]

Every large herbivore I think

[mint star]

hmmm

[golden coral]

Anky maybe? Maybe even shant and trike

[slim dragon]

Para probably will

[neon hound]

What do you mean Stego fied

[golden coral]

After all, aren't hadrosaurs just big dumb cows

Para might, yes

[mint star]

stegoification

[slim dragon]

Every herbivore is a dumb cow
Every carnivore is a ferocious tiger

[mint star]

""""overpowered"""" when its actually nerfed into the dust and cant do anything besides kill the slowest creatures

[neon hound]

Stego still strong

Yeah I know I kinda hate it

[golden coral]

Stego really weak honestly

[mint star]

it isnt

[neon hound]

Yeah fair

[golden coral]

Or rather, clunky so any strength is kind of useless

[cerulean drift]

you did say cows are dangerous

[mint star]

all thats strong about it is numbers

[neon hound]

I mean bulls

[slim dragon]

FUN FACT : Stego is the frailest animal compared to its size in the game, being the only animal to take extra damage on certain bodyparts

[mint star]

its got 6000 health and like 2000 damage

thats it

nothing else

[neon hound]

Ok that's not fair

[golden coral]

To be fair, I said I think they can be, not sure on that one, but I've heard that you might want to be somewhat cautious around one

[cerulean drift]

2k damage isnt enough?

[mint star]

i spent like 5 minutes literally trotting away from a sub adult stego as a herrera

[golden coral]

The damage is fine, the delivery is not

[cerulean drift]

it also puts another fully grown stego on red with a power swing to the face

[mint star]

it just kept holding LSHIFt to try and catch up to me before giving up

[golden coral]

Stats aren't the main issue, the bad design is

[cerulean drift]

yeah it could be better

[slim dragon]

Cow = not dangerous
Cow with her calf = Will kill you and murder you and stomp you and roll upon your corpse

[golden coral]

Fair

[neon hound]

I really hate carnis complaining when they think herbis shouldn't be able to fight back and should be just food and then I have to get into a zoology argument over how they aren't and herbis are usually quite strong

[mint star]

i hate people who play stego

but i dont hate stego itself

i just hate how stego plays

[dusky surge]

i hate playing it

[mint star]

thanks for validating my feelings

[cerulean drift]

I like killing stegs as steg but thats pretty much it

[neon hound]

Can't wait to be able to play Theri and trounce carnis and watch them complain when no one will listen to why they think a carno should be able to solo a Theri

[golden coral]

Stego just plays terribly, and only gets worse for whatever reason

[balmy pewter]

What do you mean ?

[dusky surge]

Stego is one of the most underpowered animals in the game, carried by raw stats, and even then, not really

[cerulean drift]

not really? 6k damage to the head isnt good???

[golden coral]

Very clunky attacks, where only one angle is decent, and even then it's not that impressive. And the others only do worse and worse. The only good thing about the jab is that you can use it out of stamina now, like any alt attack. New attack has cooldown, and drains excessive amounts of stamina. It also has opposite aim for the running version, which clashes with all the others. And the running one does not at all feel like or play like how stego should play, being a defensive playable, not one that should run at things. Especially not with how slow it is, and reliant upon stamina it is. Overall, stego just feel bad to play, especially in combat, mostly due to all of this clunkyness.

[dusky surge]

it literally can't do that

[golden coral]

You don't even do 6K damage to head, and that's only on stegos due to their own weakness. But the damage would be about 4.5K or so at most. On other stegos only.

[cerulean drift]

power swing to the face puts a stego on red hp

[golden coral]

Pretty much, it's purely carried by sheer stats, and not really that either

[cerulean drift]

so we'll say 5k

[winged plinth]

Why?

[dusky surge]

because stego has a uniquely weak head

[cerulean drift]

that is true

[neon hound]

Why do you think

[winged plinth]

No it's not, you are just stuck to legacy's nostalgia

[golden coral]

Stego takes 2x head damage. That's why. The attack itself does about 2.2K or so, normally 1.5x if you it another target on the head.

[dusky surge]

It literally wasn't like that in legacy what

[winged plinth]

I'm asking you

[neon hound]

I never played legacy sucker

[winged plinth]

It is

[neon hound]

Never even watched anything about it

[cerulean drift]

considering it stuns/flops over id say thats pretty good

[winged plinth]

Then you won't know about small game hunter lol

[neon hound]

I know what one is

And Carno is that and it fits

[golden coral]

Well, that carno was fine, and apparently so do the devs think

[dusky surge]

it wasnt a small game hunter in legacy. it did better at hunting things its own size

[golden coral]

Strangely enough, yeah. Maias = good prey!

Allos if you had a partner would be good targets too

[golden coral]

It's nice, but it doesn't really solve any of stegos issues.

[winged plinth]

It wasn't, a weak dinosaur that can't defend itself where is the fun in that while in reality carnos were good at fights

[golden coral]

You keep saying that, but carno wasn't weak. And it could hunt larger things fine in groups.

[winged plinth]

Nah actually evrima's carno is better, it has charges and more agile

[cerulean drift]

honestly I think they should just bring back update 5 carno

it could actually hunt small game then

[winged plinth]

Any old version of carnos are better than current one

[winged plinth]

In groups they are strong ok, but not when they face a group of other species

[golden coral]

Depends on what theyre up against

[winged plinth]

You do understand better than those brainless guys I debate

[winged plinth]

So they sucks! Basically

[dusky surge]

absolutely not LMAO

[golden coral]

How do you come to that conclusion from that?

[winged plinth]

You just a carno hater and tired of being one shotted by every carno

[dusky surge]

i love carno now

i literally haven't feared carno in months because of how sad it was lol

[golden coral]

Isn't that kind of what we've been trying to say the whole time, the devs want carno and stego like this, for good and ill

[winged plinth]

Go sandboxes in legacy and play as a carno, literally a good utah can smash you down

[winged plinth]

You only fear spamming lmao

[golden coral]

Oh I'm sure they could right now, since I've not touched legacy for years

[winged plinth]

So you are just execusing the devs

[winged plinth]

Watch sticky utah, never lost to a carno while playing as a utah I think

[golden coral]

Again, how are you concluding that? I'm not excusing them, I am saying that it's just how it is

[golden coral]

... You mean the guy who's not actully good at the playable but only abuses no alt?

[cerulean drift]

bennet buster is better

[winged plinth]

How it is ≠ how it should be

[golden coral]

So how should it be, the way you want, or the way the devs want?

[winged plinth]

He didn't use alt as I remember

[mint star]

LMAO

[golden coral]

I meant he only plays on no alt servers

[winged plinth]

Are no alt servers even good??

[golden coral]

Thereby immediately removing any relevance, since the game was balanced with alt turn

[golden coral]

Do you even know what I'm talking about?

[slim dragon]

"The game was balanced" ? Are you sure you're talking about legacy ?

[golden coral]

I feel like you don't know what I mean with no alt

[golden coral]

"balanced with alt turn in mind", you know exactly what I mean

[winged plinth]

Ok if you say this, then we are finishing this, do you know why? Because I made sure you are not smart by saying a glitch-like balances the game

[golden coral]

Glitch? Youre calling alt turn a glitch?

[winged plinth]

Why do you think Evrima made the dinosaurs more agile to rotate better than legacy?

[winged plinth]

Glitch-like

[golden coral]

So they wouldn't need the alt turn

[winged plinth]

Exactly because it ruined the game

[golden coral]

But they added alt turn in legacy to sort things out

[winged plinth]

Not in official servers

It was modded servers as I remember

[golden coral]

And then went "this time, let's make sure that critters can turn properly in the first place" for evrima

[golden coral]

... No, all official servers had alt turn

It's the unofficials that turned it off because they favoured "tailriding"

[slim dragon]

I don't know if I should laugh or cry

[winged plinth]

That was the point of the game, you literally rotate like you rotate something in blender

[mint star]

@dusky surge sticky utah was the peak of skill in legacy

[golden coral]

Do you somehow struggle with understanding that alt turn was introduced by the devs to fix the tailriding

[winged plinth]

Agree

[dusky surge]

LMAOOOO

[slim dragon]

Nah, I was

[golden coral]

You know he's not serious about that, right?

[mint star]

i was definitely a rex killer when i played galmimimus

[winged plinth]

It's your problem if you are getting ride then

[slim dragon]

I killed a juvie galli once
And one Ava AI

[golden coral]

What? I didn't ,cause carno can outrun. But alt turn was not a glitch, or whatever you claimed

[slim dragon]

Which sums up pretty much my entire experience in legacy
Besides "why can't I fish with sucho ? The trailer said sucho could fish !"

[winged plinth]

Bro you rotate without an animation, you don't take a distance to rotate this is literally a glitch-like

[golden coral]

Evrima critters don't need alt turn because they got a turn in place proper. Legacy got alt turn to fix the lack of proper turn in place

[golden coral]

Right, but its still something the devs added, deliberately, to be used to counter tailriding

[slim dragon]

It's not a glitch because it was an intentional feature
It didn't have an animation because devs didn't add an animation for it

[golden coral]

Actually, cera did move its legs, it kind of had an anim

[winged plinth]

You do know that they added alt turn because the devs were lazy to do this physically?

[mint star]

that pokemon 3D game turning animation

[winged plinth]

That's why I call it a glitch-like not a glitch

[golden coral]

Yet they fixed it in Evrima. Not that it changes anything anyway

[slim dragon]

There is no such thing as glitch-like

[golden coral]

My point erlier was that "sticky utah" tended to play on no alts, thus removing part of the "balance" the game had

[winged plinth]

Only ceras

[dusky surge]

actually wild that you both believe

A: Carno is useless and weak now, and anyone who likes it hates carno because it killed them too much
B: Carno is powerful and too easy now, and anyone who likes it only likes it because it's so easy to do well as

[winged plinth]

When something stupid that look like a glitch I call it a glitch-like for a short

[golden coral]

No idea what you're talking about xD

[winged plinth]

Alt feature ruined the game

[golden coral]

Anyway, legacy carno good critter. Legacy stego also good critter. Evrima carno good critter now, more or less. Evrima stego utter garbage of a critter, with little hope in sight

[winged plinth]

Not my problem if I tried to hunt you but you alt everytime I get behind you

[golden coral]

Alt turn was very much needed, but if you don't think so, then I guess you have a problem with Evrima too then

[mint star]

pokemon games for the switch had their pokemon turn in place by playing the walking forwards animation but they would physically turn around while facing forward

[golden coral]

Since you can literally turn in place/alt bite to counter tail riding in Evrima

[slim dragon]

Doesn't someone here have the copypasta about tailriding and skill ?

[winged plinth]

What ever you say you can't convince me about my position, I already know how balanced the game was when carno were strong

[golden coral]

I need to sleep, because I'm not comprehending that one right now xD

[golden coral]

... Sure, if you say so

[mint star]

basically they walked forward and turned in place

[golden coral]

I'll just wait for mods to make a good stego, all that matters to me

[golden coral]

Oh okay

[rancid sluice]

I've lost the narrative line a little bit, it would be great if you could tell me what's going on.

[winged plinth]

I'm fighting with these cavemen about how carno is suppose to be

[slim dragon]

What a delightful way to present it

[rancid sluice]

I saw only an argument about cows and stegosaurs xd

[golden coral]

You know, insulting people because they disagree does you no favours

[rancid sluice]

o, u talking about carno

[golden coral]

And you keep thinking carno should be something that it wasn't intended to be

[winged plinth]

I'm not insulting, you can't really understand my point and you want to be right just because you worship the devs

[slim dragon]

I think everyone understands your point
It's just that no one agrees

[winged plinth]

It was, that's why it stuck for 4-5 years almost in his old style

[winged plinth]

Many agree, but the ones I debate doesn't

[golden coral]

... Yes, you're insulting people when you call them names and claim things that are patently false. I do not worship the devs at all, have my complaints about stego gone entirely unnoticed to you?

[winged plinth]

I've seen many saying the same

[golden coral]

Or does that not count, for some reason?

[slim dragon]

I shouldn't have to clarify this

[golden coral]

Carno has changed plenty of times throughout evrima, as has omni and so on

And even if it had been "stuck" it does not mean it was intended that way

Devs do not always update things, since they think in different terms and on a different schedule and all than we do

[winged plinth]

I don't know what's your problem with stegos just because you are bad at it, and don5compare stegos to carnos because they are different stegos can defend theirselves and carnos now can not

[winged plinth]

Check #balance-feedback above you will see many agree to the same thing

[slim dragon]

Carno can defend itself
The only playables that cannot defend themselves right now are hypsi and ptera
And in ptera's case, it's because ptera has to stay offensive all the time

[golden coral]

See, you think I'm bad at stego because I have a problem with it, while you're somehow not bad at carno when you have a problem with it. Despite the fact that I literally pointed out issues with stego earlier that has nothing to do with me. Any more than carnos weight/size has anything to do with how you play it.

[winged plinth]

Yes, but the new carno is a different change

[slim dragon]

That's not what I mean, but let's drop it

[golden coral]

No, no it's not

[winged plinth]

Literally carnos won't do any thing to current ceras, they are also op in some points like they can spam infinite charges

[golden coral]

Carnos aren't meant to defend vs cera

And you can, you can run away

You don't die to a cera unless it gets the jump and you immediately puke, and even then you might be able to recover and run

[slim dragon]

Yes and yes
First thing is a non-issue because carno doesn't have to fight cera, at any point in time
Second should be fixed some way or another

[winged plinth]

I'm not bad at carno, carno is just bad now, it can't kill a cera unless that cera was bad and you kept charging on him

[golden coral]

I'm not bad at stego, stego is just bad, and has always been. See how that works?

You don't need to kill a cera, you can avoid it

You're perfectly safe, you're not like a stego that's forced into every fight

[winged plinth]

Why couldn't it fight ceras while IRL they could?

[slim dragon]

But cera is bad too, it cannot kill a stego (unless it can now because of bile rework)

[golden coral]

Because game, justl like how stego isn't accurate to real life

[keen plover]

Cera is op rn

[golden coral]

Bile being overtuned, so apparently it can

At least wouldn't surprise me with what I've seen from cera and how it works

[slim dragon]

Because this is a game, not irl
Also I don't think a carno has ever met a cera irl, they lived in different time periods

[slim dragon]

bruh

[winged plinth]

There are differents of being bad at a good dinosaur, and good at a bad dinosaur, carnos are weaker than it was ever been, while stegos are 6 tons why do you think they are bad because a simple omni can drain your stam and you throw random hits?

[golden coral]

Well, there's that one vid of it puking a dibble in one go so

[golden coral]

Except carno is a good playable, while stego is not. Stego is very bad in design, carno is far better, especially now. So you might be right, but it's the other way around.

[winged plinth]

Ceras never been able to kill stegos IRL you got my point? I wanted the game to be as realistic as it could

[slim dragon]

But this game isn't supposed to be realistic, it's a sci-fi game

[golden coral]

Why do you even bring up omni, or throwing random hits. That has nothing to do with if stego is good or bad, any more than you throwing out charges has to do with if the charge is good or not, and so on.

[winged plinth]

Yes but if they faced carnos will mostly win, have you ever heard about death battles?

[golden coral]

Trust me, you do not want that

[slim dragon]

You can't have a game that is realistic and includes niche-conflicting species from different time periods and continents

[golden coral]

If the game was as realistic as possible, we'd have a very different game

And 90% of the roster would be unviable

[keen plover]

Sounds like a good time for carno

[slim dragon]

Because if the game was realistic there would be no carno, no cera, no allo. Rex would replace them all

[golden coral]

No dilo venom, no troodon venom, rex and trike being untouchable, large but less fun beipi, and so on

[winged plinth]

Good playable for small hunting, bad playable for fights, got it?

[golden coral]

Great, so it's a good playable

[winged plinth]

Charges now don't drain your stam

[golden coral]

I know, doesn't quite change the point I was trying to make

You can attack out of stam as stego, doesn't change the issues

[keen plover]

Stego lol

[slim dragon]

ikr

[keen plover]

Poor thing.

[slim dragon]

sigh
I wish bites costed stam

[winged plinth]

I know, but as I dinosaur lover since a kid, I wished there is a game to give me the best dinosaur realistcally lifes experience, I don't care if it's just a game I can create a game where dryos are bigger and stronger than a Rex and say it's just a game while you won't be satisfied about this if you were a big fan of my game right? Because the isle in the only game that gave me the best experience of dinosaurs and they seems starting ruining it by this

[keen plover]

Never happening!

[dusky surge]

But that could put rex at a disadvantage

Stego costing 10% stam makes sense because it does a lot of damage

But rex doing a lot of damage and taking no stam makes sense because its rex

[slim dragon]

I mean, then it's just the wrong game for you
The Isle isn't realistic, never tried to be
As I said, it's a sci-fi survival horror, not a dino sim

[neon hound]

It's both

[winged plinth]

I never said it's a bad playable tho, the only thing I'm not satisfied with is just it's not strong, I already tried to solve this, why carnos can't be 1.5 - 1.6 tons at least? Not a bad idea to disagree with

[slim dragon]

Oh right
Sorry
I'm gonna eat grass to absolve myself

[slim dragon]

It's both what ?

[keen plover]

If allo has omni's grapple requirements then 2 of them are dropping a stego instantly as well lol

[neon hound]

Dino sim scifi horror

[dusky surge]

Allo mains will justify it, they are the sequel to omni mains

[winged plinth]

It's not the wrong game, it's the best game I've ever played about dinosaurs, but it's just starting to get out of realistics, just look at the details of the game they made

[dusky surge]

Brother. It has NEVER been realistic

Look at dilo. Look at TROODON

[slim dragon]

Eh, a simulator implies making things as realistic as possible
Which is not the case here
Dinos roll in mud to clot their bleeding wounds goddammit

[dusky surge]

We have JP rex and JP raptor just vibing in the corner over there

[winged plinth]

Tails hit mostly take stams like tenos more than normal bites

[dusky surge]

Yea. 10% stam is still too much

[keen plover]

The game is going to be a sandbox with modding. You can literally make a 9t carno if you want lol.

[golden coral]

Well, you keep having an issue with how it is, saying it's not how it should be. And then you entirely reject the same sentiment when I have it for another playable. Can you see how that's a bit frustrating? I never said stego can't survive or can't handle an omni after all. I merely said it's clunky and doesn't do well in what it should do, just like how you don't think carno does well in fighting like you think it should. Why is your complaints valid but not mine?

[winged plinth]

Stegos weren't that strong tho against packs

[dusky surge]

Again

Not real life

[winged plinth]

10% stam every single hit?

[dusky surge]

Yes. 15% if it uses its strongest hit

[golden coral]

Honestly, 10% for the swings, both of them, with no cooldown, and 5% for the jabs, with all of them being the side jab angle speed, would be perfectly fine.

[keen plover]

Ok but if 2 allos are going around the map ganking every stego they see then it's a bit of a problem? Shouldn't they work for it a bit?

[golden coral]

Based on what?

[keen plover]

Hopefully they nerf grapple requirements by then lol

[dusky surge]

God please

[golden coral]

Just make stego good, rather than nerf allo xD

[winged plinth]

Where did you came up with this? When I played as a stego it doesn't take a lot of stam, it's almost like tenos mechanics

[dusky surge]

Well, nerf grapple and make stego good

[keen plover]

You can make stego good. But if 2 allos instantly pin it then it doesn't matter lol

[dusky surge]

You haven't played stego in a long time then lol

[golden coral]

It got severely nerfed, new attack takes 10/15% stam and has a 3 second or so cooldown too

[golden coral]

Well, ideally a good stego means it'd be very hard for them to do that, so it might be okay

[winged plinth]

It only has 1 weapon, which is the tail, and didn't have a huge weight tbh

[winged plinth]

Maybe, I won't fight about this with you like Erik and the others do

[golden coral]

But that's the thing, that tail would be great vs multiple opponents due to reach and all that, yet stego is just so clunky in attacks

[elder steppe]

How does the cera vomit sickness work in the horde test. I was just at full hunger and one bit gave me sickness. Is it weight based now or something

[winged plinth]

Literally 3 weeks ago I guess

[slim dragon]

"didn't have a huge weight"
Literally the biggest animal of its time period bar sauropods

[golden coral]

Yep, less bite for things closer to cera weight, more for larger ones

[dusky surge]

It is, and it's also extremely overtuned

[golden coral]

And yes, it may be a bit overtuned currently

[winged plinth]

There are differents between a huge weight and a good weight

[slim dragon]

enlighten me

[elder steppe]

Yeah, finally got full diet and a cera bit me on the tip of the tail and immediatley lost everything. I was a fresh spawn dilo, but still wtf

[winged plinth]

Wdym?

[golden coral]

I mean, to be fair, fresh spawn would probably get vomited immediately. But I think even if you had been adult, it might have been just the one bite

[winged plinth]

Yeah they have to nerf this too

[slim dragon]

What is a "huge weight" and what is a "good weight", when talking about dinosaurs ?

[winged plinth]

Huge weight like huge dinosaurs, stegos were only 3-4 tons

[keen plover]

2 bites from that little guy

[winged plinth]

Some studies say less and some say more

[keen plover]

Ankle biter

[golden coral]

Let him have the food!

[rancid sluice]

i dont know any cera gamer who ask for this buff

[golden coral]

No, I think most can agree its overtuned. But there has been demands for cera bile to scale, so that much is good

[keen plover]

It's genuinely UNFUN. They already had so much going for them lol AND carno got nerfed lol.

[slim dragon]

There were different species of stegosaurus
The Isle's stego is based on stegosaurus stenops, which was closer to 8 tons

[keen plover]

I think cera should 1 shot puke up to dilo with a charge bite