balance-feedback-discussion

[dusky surge]

And apparently, wasn't even supposed to happen

[south sandal]

I thought this was Dsync

[brisk laurel]

Because trigger happy chappies pushed devs into thinking this broken crap was totally okay cause it was fun and totally stun locking opponents, but hey.. FUN

[south sandal]

Never knew it was a bug

[dusky surge]

Not true

There was a TON of reasonable concern about vomitlock

[brisk laurel]

And yet poof.. into permanent existence

[dusky surge]

There was also people who were convinced that cera was completely unviable without it, but even they were the minority

[dusky surge]

Also not true, it's literally getting fixed next patch

[jovial vessel]

[brisk laurel]

After being a constant issue this patch

[dusky surge]

That's... Not permanent tho

[jovial vessel]

its not, but it sure is taking a hot second to come out

[neon portal]

I also kinda feel like a cera should not be able to take off and up to speed from a standstill faster than an onmi or galli... especially galli

[dusky surge]

Galli's accel is a core part of its gameplay, it's fine as it is

[south sandal]

So they knew it was a thing and still let it happen

[jovial vessel]

cera is squat and stocky why is it so speedy on takeoff

[neon portal]

how does it make sense that galli who is built around running takes longer to start moving than a cera though

[jovial vessel]

fr

[neon portal]

pretty much all the dinos seem to have that little acceleration except cera who goes from still to fast instantly EVEN while using its charge bite

It's not that I mind the acceleration its that I don't understand why Cera isn't also effected when it already has everything under the sun going for it

[brisk laurel]

Here's a small but little change I'd love to see.. when growing a raptor, you see at sub adult that your max speed is 50.2km/h and then you reach full grown and it drops down to 46.4km/h.. uhm no, gimme my top speed back bro

[south sandal]

Yeah why is that ?

[jovial vessel]

utah feels so slow now

[south sandal]

Prolly due to weight

[dusky surge]

Subs are faster for some reason, IDK

Except not consistently

A 50.2km/hr raptor would be nuts, so I'm glad it dies back down to the regular speed

[brisk laurel]

Raptor is supposed to be a quick and agile hunter, lacking on dmg yes but the speed is supposed to be there... GIMME THE SPEED

[dusky surge]

How? It's the same speed it's always had

[south sandal]

Ceras be to close behind me sometimes lol

They eventually give up

[jovial vessel]

i dont see how giving them their subs speed would be that game breaking mr sucho

they already shatter like glass on a hit

[brisk laurel]

Lol I like f*cking around with them by running them around in circles till they give up.

If I can't have any chance of killing you or surviving an attack then I sure as hell will waste your time and make you look stupid

[keen plover]

Why would they need to be faster when they can pretty much dodge every attack?

[dusky surge]

A: They really don't need a buff given their current state
B: It would mean most herbivores just are screwed once a raptor pack remotely sees them
C: Why in God's name would we EVER want something THAT agile also being THAT fast

[keen plover]

And it's not like they're lacking speed

[dusky surge]

Galli and carno both lack in agility to make up for their speed, as well as having lengthy accels. Omni has neither issue

[brisk laurel]

Thats a stretch bro, desync and bugs makes sure they catch those attacks no matter how agile they're being

[dusky surge]

Okay but again, desync and bugs do not mean omni needs to be even more of a God animal

[jovial vessel]

idk man im getting murdered by carnos charging my tail tip

[south sandal]

Just sharp turn

[keen plover]

Charge is very easy to dodge

[south sandal]

They can’t do nun cause they turn so bad

[keen plover]

What attacks are those?

[dusky surge]

Imagine being dumb enough to pick a Troodon when you could play the 50km/hr super-raptor

[keen plover]

Nothing is catching up to an Omni except Galli & Carno

Which you can pin one and dodge the other

[jovial vessel]

I mean, I barely see troodon players tbh

[south sandal]

Troodon wa just a lesser raptor before venom

Did the same exact thing

[jovial vessel]

their kit, while good, was never explained in game, so people dont know how to utilize it

[neon portal]

Troodon players who actually coordinate are basically non existent

[jovial vessel]

now it is just an irritating screaming critter

[brisk laurel]

BECAUSE THATS THE ACTUAL NATURE OF RAPTORS?????

(Not yelling, just trying to make a point)

And please don't go on like herbies don't stand a chance against raptors.
Pachies need one single leg fracture and raptor is done for.
Sub stegos one tap raptors with tail
Tenos can totally bully raptors

[dusky surge]

I don't see this push to make raptors faster making any sense. You'd need to buff the speeds of SEVERAL animals to make this remotely fair

[neon portal]

90% of people have no idea how the venom works and just throw their lives away the fact that theres nothing actually within the game to explain mechanics is nuts

[keen plover]

You're forgetting Omni's other matchups. What hope do other small tiers have against something with its speed, stamina and agility?

Not to mention jumping capabilities

[jovial vessel]

lmao there is noone playing the small tiers bc they have no gameplay

[dusky surge]

Pachies, Troodons, Gallis, Tenos come to mind as animals that would need speed buffs if raptor got buffed to 50km/hr+

[keen plover]

So we just make it worse for them?

Also troodon playerbase exists

[dusky surge]

Just invalidate them with the mega-speed, mega-agile, mega-brutal raptor lol

[south sandal]

Raptor alr faster than every one of these except gali

[jovial vessel]

I mean, Im not saying the ombi needs the speed boost, it IS stupid how it goes from fast to slow tho

[dusky surge]

It becomes a heaver animal, of course it's not going to be as fast as when it was younger

[brisk laurel]

Dude... the raptor already exists with 50km/hrs

They just need to stop dropping it to 46

It's 4 points man, it ain't going to break raptors

[jovial vessel]

omnis biggest problem rn is the dysnc issues and also the goddamned hitboxes

[dusky surge]

By this logic, adult rex should be as fast as sub-rex

[south sandal]

But Carno is like. A ton and runs 55kmh

[dusky surge]

Or deino should be as fast on land as it is when sub always

[south sandal]

Noooo

[dusky surge]

Same logic

[jovial vessel]

mr sucho, ur being very dramatic

[south sandal]

Sub deino is so damn fast it’s scary

[jovial vessel]

we get ur point, you think its bad, ok

[dusky surge]

I am quite literally reapplying the same logic

[brisk laurel]

I really dunno where you're getting this view of raptors cause on several servers with different people playing raptor, I constantly see raptors being bullied.. not being God like

If they actually were, there wouldn't be a lot of people talking about how rough it is to play raptor right now

[dusky surge]

It's a system put in place to ensure subs/juvis don't feel like just garbage versions of their adult selves, or have a chance to survive an aggressive adult. In this case, raptor is fast as a sub because it means it isn't just "worse than adult" its whole growth cycle

[dusky surge]

Because cera exists, and cera can bully raptors

That's the only reason raptor isn't literally everywhere

[jovial vessel]

so can carno

[dusky surge]

Carno cannot

Carno dies to two raptors, quite easily

[jovial vessel]

carno groups can wtf do u mean lol

[dusky surge]

Source: The sheer amount of carnos I have obliterated with my mate

[jovial vessel]

its RARE to see a solo carno

[brisk laurel]

Did you take down groups of carnos with your mate?

[dusky surge]

And when I see a group, that's forest/river and now the engagement is over and I live

[south sandal]

If you do bound to get 3rd partied

[jovial vessel]

if carnos play smart and get the jump on omnis its over

[neon portal]

Solo carno is easy as utah but you are more likely to see a group of 4-5 carnos than 1

[keen plover]

Carno pairs are very manageable in groups

You can drop them pretty easily

[jovial vessel]

or carnos go crying to their stego bodyguards atm on our server

[dusky surge]

At trios they become a legit problem

[jovial vessel]

Im speaking from MY experience on the servers I play on, Carnos travel in BIG groups

[keen plover]

Trios is the point where it gets rough, yeah. But a pack of raptors should be dropping a solo or pair of Carnos

[dusky surge]

I still don't know how anyone is still getting ambushed by this thing lol, genuine madness

[neon portal]

1-2 carnos with a group isn't that big of a deal but finding less than three or four is rare most of the time theres more

[jovial vessel]

sound bug doesnt help when its silent and then suddenly on you.

[dusky surge]

Carno legit is one of the worst ambushers in the entire game, bar cera maybe

[dusky surge]

The sound bug got fixed though, you can actually hear them coming

[keen plover]

Ok, but what do you expect Omni to do against a megapack of creatures?

[south sandal]

All depends on how many adult Utah you have in your group honestly

[dusky surge]

God just make it a pursuit predator

[south sandal]

How well you handle carnos

[keen plover]

2+ 'small game hunters' wiping out the small game isn't surprising

[neon portal]

that entirely depends on where you are... open plains? easy they won't sneak up on you but if you're near trees or areas that break line of sight they can get the drop on you I normall hear the charge but things footsteps in this game are not loud enough - I don't play with music and I have it loud and its still easy to miss until they're basically on top of you

and don't say "oh just play in these areas" because sitting in one safe area is literally the most boring way to play

[south sandal]

Same wit cera sometimes I just can’t hear there steps

Til they too close

[jovial vessel]

Ive been jumped by a full stego that was dead silent running up behind me

[brisk laurel]

Honestly poor players are what ruin everything for me AS a raptor.

When the player doesn't understand how raptor gameplay works, they mess up the teamwork of the rest of the pack and it's so depressing

That's how I've lost carno fights, but again this comes to my high risk low reward system of raptor.

People don't bother learning how to play raptor, it's not a brute force dino. It's an agile bleed dino but hey who cares

[jovial vessel]

YES, THIS ALSO

[brisk laurel]

Nope, you don't.

One of the heaviest creatures in the game and yet you don't hear their stomping when they charge straight at you. Its sometimes there, but other times not

[neon portal]

Raptor packs where a few of your members also refuse to engage also drive me nuts it's like an hour grow stop being a chicken

[south sandal]

Yep to get good hunts gotta be coordinated

Hard to do wit randoms

[jovial vessel]

also, do think utahs should eat faster with how fast ceras descend on bodies like bloodhounds

work hard for a hunt, let me SCOFF

[neon portal]

the mix of players i get that are like theres a couple of carnos and 10+ of us lets run.... vs the theres a croc and 1 adult + 5 babies lets kill it sure is something

[keen plover]

I've seen what a good raptor pack can do. I'd rather not balance the creature around players who struggle with it. The moment that happens, the better players will almost completely dominate the server with it

I feel like it would be better if the devs can actually give players the tools to learn them

Tutorials and such

[jovial vessel]

raptor packs are good and its good they are back in the pecking order bc for a while they were pretty bad lol

yeah a tutorial mode would be super helpful

[south sandal]

I have not seen one raptor dominated sever

[neon portal]

agree there needs to be a tutorial at the very least

[south sandal]

That’s a bit much to say

[jovial vessel]

i see croc dominated servers :)

[dusky surge]

If Dondi gets what he wants, you won't for much longer

[keen plover]

Not a raptor dominated server, but 8 good raptors will clean up the majority of the server except Cera's of course lol

[dusky surge]

Dondi is, uh, very displeased with deino being easy to grow

[south sandal]

A group of friends in vc yeah you got a chance

Other than that ion see much of a chance unless there just godly

[keen plover]

That's what it is. People in vc

A group of them

[jovial vessel]

GOOD

[keen plover]

That know the game mechanics

[dusky surge]

I mean, he should be, Deino is ridiculous

[neon portal]

I feel like a lot of the time the issue is its somewhat balanced around an ideal pack size... 3 carnos, 4 ceras etc but instead you'll see 6+ ceras and carnos and it starts throwing it out of wack (more so than normal)

[brisk laurel]

I do understand what you mean, truly. But as a main raptor player, it's just truly depressing playing raptor these days. It's a bleed dino but everyone is talking about increasing bleed resistance. Or not removing cera bleed (or at least decreasing it) so it makes me hella angry that I can't play this dino in peace

[keen plover]

Yeah. Megapacking is a plague and mixpacking

[south sandal]

Only thing I hate about deino is they have no answer to them except stegos

They roam freely miles away from water

Do what they want

[neon portal]

Deino being as strong as it is, impossible to kill with anything other than another croc and also one of the easiest grows is frustrating - Stegos can obv kill crocs but the croc can always just yknow swim away

[dusky surge]

Ironically, not even stego is a good answer for them. If deino stays in water, stego is a non-issue

[jovial vessel]

megapacking needs to go, but idk how to do that in gameplay mechanics without it being a huge pain

[keen plover]

I don't want that for raptor either. I want better group play incentives 😦

[jovial vessel]

stego should never of been deinos counter lmao

[keen plover]

Nothing should get better bleed res

The amount of raptors I've taught over the years is sad. Like really basic stuff the game should teach them

[neon portal]

I don't mind crocs being as strong as they are if they were a super hard grow... so seeing one was really an "oh no" moment rather than yup theres the 50th croc today

[brisk laurel]

Yeah but they're not. You haven't seen raptors dominate a server, let alone a region. It can be doable, but does it happen? No. Raptors can't overeat, so they don't camp bodies. They can't eat rotting meat nor bones, so they won't camp bodies.
Raptors can be easily killed, they don't have a large health pool, they don't even have a medium sized health pool.

There won't ever be raptor dominated lobbies no matter how good the player because you can't abuse the system with raptor like you can with deino and cera

[keen plover]

I've seen so many raptor players try to jump and bite, thinking that's how pounce works

[neon portal]

same.... like I'm regening stam he's bleeding all you have to do is stop him from sitting dont just STARE just keep him on his feet

[jovial vessel]

ur animals in-game character menu should have ur attacks and controls listed as what they are/what they do

[neon portal]

or watching a raptor just refuse to let go and fall to the ground to die cause they don't understand the stam

[jovial vessel]

me

nah jk kajhsdkjahdkja but sometimes

[south sandal]

I feel like people who wanna be good research mechanics and what not . Other causal players don’t

[keen plover]

I agree with that. But I'm just worried with raptor buffs. It's already viable stat wise. Anything else can turn it very raptor sided.

And the better players will pretty much nuke things 😦

[neon portal]

yeah though to be fair you shouldn't have to research the basic mechanics

[keen plover]

Agreed on that

[jovial vessel]

you cannot and Should Not base ur gameplay on the hardcore gamer - not everyone is that player and it should never be assumed that everyone knows these things

[keen plover]

I get that though

[jovial vessel]

raptor is p good where it is rn I do agree, I would like it to have a tiny bit more HP but Im ok with it, really what I hate is the dysnc

[brisk laurel]

They're not really buffs man, they're balance changes to make the raptor more viable into the shitstorm that we currently have.

I just want raptor fun to play cause atm, a lot of dinos and circumstances bully it

[jovial vessel]

i still think cerato needs tweaking

[keen plover]

Fair. I think the other creatures need tweaks

Cera mainly

Also the hitbox issues 😄

[south sandal]

Yea cera too good rn

[neon portal]

Cera is really interesting kit wise it just has too much going for it

[brisk laurel]

Yeah nerf the cera or buff the raptor (obviously carno needs some attention as well)

[south sandal]

Way to many good things n not much bad

What’s a bad thing the cera has

[keen plover]

I'd love to list the whole thing haha

Thing is too good. I remember when people wanted it to cancel Carno charge

[jovial vessel]

cera has a cool kit, i love seeing new abilities come in (Gallis pack boost????) but yeah its a bit unbalanced

[brisk laurel]

Looks like a fat dwarf of a dino but that's about it

And if someone says them being slow is a weakness, DO NOT. Their stamina bar more then compensates for their speed. They can outrun everything if they choose to chase it

[jovial vessel]

</3 how could you say that.... cerato is so cute

[south sandal]

That’s cause I guess gali is a flight Dino , would rather run than fight

[keen plover]

Cera is so good on land that I haven't seen people use its water kit

[jovial vessel]

yeah and its super cool to see that sort of stuff come in rather than purely dps based buffs

[keen plover]

That thing is horrifying in a water fight

[jovial vessel]

bc crocs LMAO

[keen plover]

TRUE

[south sandal]

Wait

Water kit ?

[keen plover]

Yeah

[south sandal]

It has more

[keen plover]

It swims as fast as Teno + has a water alt bite that deals 200n

and is fast

At dealing the attacks

[brisk laurel]

Can all the deino players unite and kill the ceras please?

[jovial vessel]

Ive never tested it bc I dont wanna put my cera in croc waters

[keen plover]

Fair. You can technically beat 2 bad Carno's in water

[south sandal]

Wow cera is just god huh

[neon portal]

NOTHING lakjgldkjg
Stam: amazing
Acceleration: great
health: pretty good
speed: pretty good
bite: pretty good
bite also does bleed and bacteria!
it also has a charge bite!
none of its abilities cost stam!
Bleed resistance!
I've seen fracture resistance? but honestly don't know if thats legit or not
vomit lock!!
good in water!
doesn't vomit and can eat forever
oh wait i found something - fast hunger drain... BUT DOESNT MATTER CAUSE IT -super sense of smell can find food half a map away and body buff to help steal that food!

[keen plover]

1 v 1 against any good Carno

It has fracture res

2 hits to break the head and body

[jovial vessel]

bruh why

[keen plover]

1 to the leg though

It has it all 💀

[south sandal]

You forgot body buff haha

[neon portal]

ohhh okay i thought so a pachy smashed my face the other week and nothing happened i didnt even kill pachy cause i just stood there lakjgldfkjg

[neon portal]

nope its there in last tiny bit on refuting that the hunger drain even matters when its built to steal your food

[south sandal]

Oh I see now

[keen plover]

The hunger drain is 50 minutes

[south sandal]

So what’s the point of playing these other Dino’s when cera is this good

[keen plover]

Carno has a 45 minute hunger drain for reference

[jovial vessel]

tbf ive not played carno in a long time

[neon portal]

I can't compare to carno cause I haven't played one in ages personally 😭

[keen plover]

Carno's drain has been the same since launch

[brisk laurel]

Imagine a dinosaur having damage reduction stats, cause that makes sense

I'm gonna stand near a dead body and take nearly no damage from something attacking me. sKiLLz, smOrT

[keen plover]

Update 2

[south sandal]

Feel like that forces people hand , why play a carno when you can play a cera

[keen plover]

If a Cera has a Dryo body, it takes 25% less damage

🥰 👍

[jovial vessel]

yeah why is that looool

[south sandal]

Good thing no one plays those

[keen plover]

50% with a Galli body

[neon portal]

ugh yeah carnos were always really hungry

[jovial vessel]

thats so baaaaaaaaad

[south sandal]

I did not know cera was that good

No wonder there is dozen of em

[brisk laurel]

Ngl but the dev who flagged that as OK, really shouldn't make those kinds of decisions anymore

[keen plover]

If Deino didn't exist they'd never die. Literally use their water kit

[south sandal]

They gonna die to my beipi

😈

[jovial vessel]

make beipi do op bleed

[brisk laurel]

Beipi is one of the chillest things to play, love it

[jovial vessel]

destroy croc

[south sandal]

Beipi is so fun

[jovial vessel]

I accidentally killed my wife when we played beipi and we didnt play it again oops

they pack a punch against each other

[brisk laurel]

I play dryo sometimes to troll people

I'm just tryna see who I can kill with my cuteness, and if you kill me then you're just a monster D:

[south sandal]

They good against most juvies too

[jovial vessel]

i can never kill dryo

[south sandal]

And full grown Troodon

[jovial vessel]

too cute, I adore them

[neon portal]

Dryo were one of my favs in legacy and i still love them so much i simply will not kill them

[south sandal]

What’s the purpose of those things

Haven’t seen em only once ever

[neon portal]

literally nothing but they're so cute

in legacy they were trike scouts to the point where seeing one meant a trike or group of them was probably incoming (its me... i was the dryo scout)

[keen plover]

Their original purpose was quick grow dino in legacy but ah

Well for the average player*

You'd grow one because it was quick and you could go around

[brisk laurel]

Their purpose is to run towards all the dinos and make a crap ton of cute noises

[neon portal]

oh to be a dryo screaming at a rex to signal to 5 trikes where he is

[brisk laurel]

And see who will vibe with them

[keen plover]

Unironically juvi galli does what dryo does but better

Which is sad

[south sandal]

Them things ain’t cute

[neon portal]

make dryos go 80kms and have the health of a stego

[jovial vessel]

yes

[neon portal]

Hypo Dryo is the dream

[dusky surge]

Hypo Dryo = 12kg pathetic little weakling dryo that never starves

[jovial vessel]

no give it massive hp but same damage so it takes ages to peck you to death

[dusky surge]

Hyper Dryo would be 1200kg GOD Dryo that DESTROYS you with superior bite

[brisk laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-gif-25758670

[hollow canyon]

yes, "tweaks", let's use that word because it's very diplomatic. Cerato needs the negative tweaks, just like Omni's been receiving the positive tweaks...

ah... the linguistic gymnastics to avoid the words "buff" and "nerf"

[unborn iris]

Probably hoping the word "tweak" would imply a small change as opposed to their normal massive changes to balance.

[south sandal]

ceras need a nerf bad

and its not even funny atp

[knotty harbor]

They just need the body but significantly reduced, devs already said the stun locking with bile isn't post to be a combat mechanism. It's post to help track dinos

I think when both are fixed cerato will be fine

[jovial vessel]

idk its still too damn sturdy lmao

[keen plover]

To raptors, yeah

Carno will probably deal with it better whenever vomit locking doesn't exist

Hopefully it gets some buffs. Being played as a pack hunter is pretty lame for Carno

[dusky surge]

And some nerfs (cough cough, charge damage)

[jovial vessel]

idk cerato v carno seems to lean towards cerato rn

[rustic rock]

What are your guy's thoughts on AFK growth? I think the gameplay is taking away from the game personally, it feels like everyone just gets a decent diet and then stop's taking risks because you know you can just AFK grow with no risk. I understand there is a tracking system in the game to incentivize players to keep moving, but I read it is currently not working as intended

[keen plover]

1 v 1? I'd say Carno

Depends on the situation though

[keen plover]

I think the main reason people afk grow is due to juvis literally being unfun / a worse adult

I'd rather the devs actually made them fun / viable before they start forcing players around

[slim dragon]

The problem is not that player can, or that they will afk grow.
The problem is that players want to afk grow.
It's is more optimized and not much less interesting to sit in a bush than to engage with the rest of the game during your growth

[keen plover]

If juvis were actually fun / different. Players would actively engage with the game. Also the map pretty much forces juvis into a deathmatch

[rustic rock]

Yes, I agree with that. Why the want to AFK grow is because it's a viable strategy. I think a potential solution might be to increase hunger needs at the later stages, so as to prevent mass fully grown dinos from just farming the entire server, this could potentially improve the long term experience.

[slim dragon]

No, that's not the solution at all
The fact afk growing is viable is not a problem
The problem is that it's the best way to go
There is no incentive at all to partake in the gameplay as a juvie

[keen plover]

For example.
Juvi Carno

• Let it jump
• Be more agile than adult
• Swim faster

Would make that experience more enjoyable. As right now, if a full adult spots you, you die.

Juvi Teno could swim better / dive. Spawn faster than right now cause 21km/h is too slow.

Stuff like that

Omni juvis could climb better

[slim dragon]

They really need more things to do

Once you got your diet you have no reason to get out of your bush at all

[keen plover]

Pretty much.

Once they're actually fun, you could increase the food demands of juvis like legacy

So you see more juvis around

[slim dragon]

The danger/potential reward for going out is far too unbalanced
You risk dying to pretty much anything, while the only potential reward is finding someone else to group with

[rustic rock]

potentilly, it wouldn't make sense for smaller carno's and teno's to be faster though. Maybe instead if the map had micro cover and just other ways avoid these larger dino's like small tunnels, hollowed out trees, and just other micro cover strat's for the smaller dinos in general. Also I think the sound could be improved as well

[slim dragon]

I would keep food values of juvies pretty much the same (save for omni and deino that have massive hunger times) but rather decrease it for adults, so they can partake in other activities like nesting

[keen plover]

Fair

[keen plover]

Oh I'm not saying smaller Carno's should be faster. I think juvi Teno should be though. Not a big leap, but if it started off closer to 30km/h, it would be nice.

Also Gateway will have those 'micro covers', so I'm pretty happy

[rustic rock]

I didn't know that, as a newbie im just now experiencing a'lot of what your saying, looking forward to Gateway.

I was talking to some people on stream earlier about this, what would be your guy's thoughts on for example, depending on the dino you pick your vision changes, from the camera perspective. For example as a deinosuchus I can see very well in the water, and have good side to side vision, but things start to blur at close range.

[slim dragon]

That would be the most headache-inducing feature a game has ever known

[rustic rock]

lol, just a thought, I can understand why that might infuriate you.

I think another thing might be for growth to be in milestones, where once reached, your diet kind've resets, and you'll need to hunt again at those stages to continue reaping said benefits. Idk im sure this has been talked about before.

[slim dragon]

That sounds more tedious than entertaining

[rustic rock]

The vision idea could also reap benefits that other creatures have unique types of vision for example, seeing certain colors that are associated with certain berries or etc etc.. As for the idea on milestones, more or less just brainstorming really, I don't like the AFK growing, I think it takes away from the experience and journey of reaching adulthood and 100 growth.. It should be about the journey and not the destination.

[slim dragon]

Exactly, it's about the journey
So the journey needs to be made interesting, not that you are forced to undertake it otherwise you suffer
People play videogames to have fun, not to do chores

[rustic rock]

Do you consider the experience in hunting prey or getting to that berry bush a chore rather then a fun and interesting experience? And if so what is not fun or chore like in that experience, there is an incredible amount of nuance here so having a opinion on it and what you do and don't like is perfectly expected.

[slim dragon]

Hunting prey is fun
Getting to a berry bush is a chore
Either way, having the rewards you got from it being deleted from your character because you were doing too well turns it into a chore

[rustic rock]

maybe not completely deleted, but instead reduced, idk, I think you could experiment with different ways to incentivize active play. I don't think AFK growing is neccessarily bad, but it's just too common right now.

[slim dragon]

Taking things they earned away from players is a punishment, not an incentive

[rustic rock]

So how would you improve the journey?

[slim dragon]

Perks may be the answer, as they could require things to do to be earned.
If some perks can only be earned as a juvie, while others can still be earned as adult, anyone could play the way they want and get away with it. But if you want the perks you really need, you have to get out of your hiding spot and work for it.

[rustic rock]

That's actually a great idea so as to incentivize players to take risks to better their adult stages later in game based on the stuff they accomplished early game.

[rustic rock]

yeah, there could be certain cosmetics on that dinosaur that would distinguish them for those traits, like being a cannibal for example

[slim dragon]

I'm not sure what you mean there

[rustic rock]

the perks you were talking about, having a visual representation on your character that can be indentified by others

[slim dragon]

Oh yeah
That could work
But I'm not sure there should be a perk related to cannibalism

[rustic rock]

sure, maybe not. but a cosmetic would be neat

[dusky surge]

@latent lotus Cera has never once been described as a "tank", idk where this comes from

It's been described as "tough", "resiliant" and "hard to seperate from a meal", all of which it does

[plucky aspen]

i think it's been described as a bully and bruiser before. (i could be wrong) but bruisers are typically medium-high health and medium damage

with the body buff, if its working as intented. it certainly can gain the bruiser role

[dusky surge]

And it does the role of bruiser well by being resiliant to most forms of specialised damage like bleed and fracture, as well as gaining defense for being near a body

It can literally get an effective 2.6k HP, that's more than enough

[plucky aspen]

absolutely. if it were to gain a health buff, i think it's damage would have to be decreased, and it's body buff removed

[dusky surge]

Cera also should have periods of vulnerability imho

It fearlessly bumrushing herbivores is already enough of a problem

[plucky aspen]

yeah. actually what might be nice. Lower their speed by an okay amount. up their health to maybe 1500, and make it so when it has the body buff, its highly resistant to knock downs. This would help it not be able to chase down so many herbivores or carnos.., and instead bully things off their kills instead

[dusky surge]

I'd prefer no knockdown resistance or health buffs, personally

[plucky aspen]

fair enough

[dusky surge]

Because having a cera just randomly facetank something you may need to survive it and just keep biting

Not fun

[plucky aspen]

personally i think its stats are too well rounded currently, they kinda do the job of every other carnivore (obviously not specialized though) so some nerfs and buffs in someway would help it to fall into a more specialized role of its own

[dusky surge]

Issue is, it's a generalist like teno, but also has on top of that unique specialisations that give it more unique flair than teno

So it does everything decently, and then more

That's the issue we have

It's just too much

[plucky aspen]

agreed. doing some testing the otherday too. maaaan. tenos suck against anything they are outnumbered against lol

[dusky surge]

It can't be an endurance hunter/bully/scavenger with aquatic affinity/bleed resist/fracture resist along with a unique sceptic mechanic that doubles as a stun and that's just fine. It needs less.

[dusky surge]

Huge issue with them, yea

[plucky aspen]

absolutely

[cerulean adder]

i think ceras just need to be made a little slower to solve this and keep them by the body as guards

[dusky surge]

And unfortunately, due to cera's aquatic affinity, teno's last resort escape tool is just... not viable anymore

[cerulean adder]

whats ceras aquatic affinity?

[plucky aspen]

they swim, i believe, faster than tenos

or close to it

[dusky surge]

It's an exceptionally good swimmer and can alt-bite in the water

[cerulean adder]

ahh

[dusky surge]

A feature that cera also has but it never needs to use because it already has enough benefits out of the water

It's nuts just how much it has

[plucky aspen]

eitherway, something needs to be done about cera to tone it down quite a bit. i think punch said in Isle discussion that it's allready recieved some nerfs, just gotta wait for them to go live. i could be mistaken though

[cerulean adder]

maybe decrease their group limit? i had a raptor pack of 10 people and they couldnt take 3 ceras. 2 should be enough in a group

[plucky aspen]

group limit isnt set in stone. so even if you have a max group limite of 2, you can still have 7 ceras running around in 1 group

[cerulean adder]

true

[dusky surge]

I also like ceras having small groups of 4

I feel it's fitting

[cerulean adder]

it is fitting but too strong

[dusky surge]

I mean... Just fix cera itself

The fact we have confirmation on vomitlock being boomkilled is a nice start

[latent lotus]

@royal valve its a cool idea but thats like way to broken, lets leave that for dilo

[latent lotus]

not tough rn

[dusky surge]

It very much is

Bleed resist + fracture resist + body buff

It's one of the hardest animals to kill in the game while doing what it's supposed to do

[royal valve]

ty it makes sense as its venom though

[latent lotus]

body buff is a bit to situational. if u find a cera with no body its hp is low af

[dusky surge]

good

cera shouldn't be taking every fight it sees because of some invincibility complex

it needs some level of vulnerability

it has a plethora of options to avoid potential threats too

[bright oasis]

If cera has no body I see no reason for it to be out in the open. Its niche is being a scavenger bully, act like it and you'll have fun.

[dusky surge]

reminder that cera, if it has no body, has the largest scent range so it can find a body

like, there's rarely a reasonable excuse not to be scavenging because you've been given all the tools you need to do so

[latent lotus]

dude is not like theres aways a body

its not like food is the only thing driving cera

[dusky surge]

it literally is

the entire animal is designed to be driven by food

[latent lotus]

but like if ur gonna nerf dmg and buff hp whats really the difference besides it been more tanky

[latent lotus]

how about when ur getting to the food

or water

[dusky surge]

express a little bit of caution

god forbid

[latent lotus]

its not like ceras are 100% near bodies, this buff is situational u making it seems like its there all the time

[dusky surge]

it is situational, and should be

because cera should not be constantly tanky on top of literally everything else

it's enduring, agile, exceptionally good in water, can dissuade attacks with sceptic bite, resistant to bleed and fractures, etc

it having all that and also being notably tanky? nah

(also, again, cera isn't meant to be a "tank", it's meant to be a corpse bully, which it succeeds at)

[latent lotus]

never said that it should be on top of everything else

[latent lotus]

its also slow. but yeah it should be nerfed in endurance and the vomit lock ur right

[dusky surge]

not even that slow tbh

[latent lotus]

what would be different if it was notably tanky with a notably bad damage

[dusky surge]

when i heard it'd be slow, i was not expecting "literally a tiny bit slower than the teno, confirmed fastest quadruped in the game"

that's considerably quick all things considered

[dusky surge]

it'd be a worse corpse bully i guess

if it's entirely unthreatening with pitiful little bites, who's going to take it seriously? just facetank the thing, especially once vomitlock is patched out

sure it's hard to kill, but that's it

[latent lotus]

it wouldnt be able to face tank cause of cera tankiness i guess

[knotty harbor]

I do want to point out they said vomit locking isn't intended and will be removed, which if we're honest will effectively make it weaker then carno as it should be, I do think it should have 200 bite force though as it's jaw is Designed for power unlike carno and the size difference to me doesn't make up for that much of a difference specially when carnos jaws are viewed as somewhat weak.

[dusky surge]

which is counteracted by pathetic damage

[dusky surge]

carno's jaw is designed for power idk what you mean by this

[latent lotus]

tanky resis to fracture and bleed, agile and slow would be fine for you?

[dusky surge]

i'd rather cera just not be described as "tanky"

[latent lotus]

we cant really tell that as i didnt propose the stats

[dusky surge]

an anky is tanky because it's literally got tons of armour and health and is bigger than 95% of the roster

a cera is still a small little thing

no matter how "tanky" you make it, something is going to have far more tankiness

[latent lotus]

pachy is a tiny thing and its somewhat tanky. we are talking about tanky for its tier

[dusky surge]

cera has the fortune of both charge bite and an exceptionally fast bite rate, it does not also need to outdamage carno's bite. Carno really doesn't need to be kicked while it's already down

[latent lotus]

just like utah is a good bleeder and giga is out there. its different scales of power

[knotty harbor]

Carnos jaws are not designed for power they have short muscles and a short jaw that's why it hunts small prey

[dusky surge]

Pachy is objectively less tanky than cera lol

Also cera, may I remind you, is MUCH smaller than carno. It outdamaging carno, while also biting faster than carno, and having a charge bite to make it do even MORE damage, is nuts and just kind of hysterically cruel to carno, who has suffered enough already

[knotty harbor]

Carnos ram is easier to land then the charge bite and does around the same dmg and is safer to get off

[dusky surge]

Carno ram also eats through your entire stam bar. Cera's bite costs nothing

[knotty harbor]

Which I think should change

Also think carno needs it's old Stam back

[dusky surge]

Carno ram additionally has been comedically overtuned for quite some time and has been the reason behind why carno has been unceremoniously kicked the hell out of with constant nerfs

The ram's damage is absolutely ridiculous and never should've been that high

[knotty harbor]

I mean I don't really care about how strong the ram is

[dusky surge]

I do, because it's ruined carno

[knotty harbor]

How has it ruined carno its the carnos only saving grace lol

[dusky surge]

That's the issue

[knotty harbor]

What you want carno to be a brawler or something?

[latent lotus]

i mean with alt bites they both have the same atack speed. and yeah carno took a big L this time around

[dusky surge]

It's so ridiculously overtuned, the devs keep balancing AROUND it, not just balancing the actual problem.

So when carno overperforms, everything but the ram's insane impact gets nerfed

So now, we're left with the definition of a one trick pony

An animal with garbage base stats but one absolutely insane attack that it relies 100% on

[dusky surge]

I'd like it to be a pursuit hunter instead of this ridiculous ambusher thing it's failing so hard to be

[knotty harbor]

I agree pursue away but nothing will run if you do crap for dmg

[dusky surge]

If your target is small game, you don't need to do insane amounts of damage

As long as you can knock down and do a decent chunk of their health with ram, it's viable

[knotty harbor]

That doesn't solve the carno vs cerato problem

[dusky surge]

The carno v cerato problem is what exactly?

Carno kicks cerato's ass because it has a nuts charge damage that shreds through cera?

[knotty harbor]

Cerato face tanking carnos or running them down

[dusky surge]

Then increase carno's trot-rate or endurance

Things it needs regardless of cera

[latent lotus]

running them down is a problem, if face tank happens thats on the carnos end

[dusky surge]

As a plains hunter in general

[knotty harbor]

Carnos charge is easy to dodge with cerato

[knotty harbor]

Facts

[latent lotus]

is deino gonna be moving to unoficials like steg?

[jovial vessel]

God I wish

[cosmic pelican]

It wont sadly, but the devs did say "deino will be hit with the difficulty hammer"

[knotty harbor]

I mean the simple fact gateway will have bodies of water cross can't get to to drink means deino will only kill people that don't know the map

[cosmic pelican]

You could say the same thing for spiro as well, there are plently of shallow/bugged spots where deino cannot get to, but I see where youre coming from

[knotty harbor]

I'm aware but not lakes and ponds

[cosmic pelican]

Their purpose is the same, but yeah

[knotty harbor]

I honestly think deino will still kill alot of people who are too lazy to hold W until they get to a safe spot lol

[warm shuttle]

People hate pt for no reason and wanna keep it as that one dinosaur that gets garbaged on by fresh juvies?

Pt rn cant hunt anything but maybe a hyspi. But still, ive seen videos of hypsis snipping pts out the air with their spit and then killing the fully grown pt with lmb in like 6 hit

[knotty harbor]

i mean seems fair PT is tiny it shouldnt be going around killing tenos

just wait until larger flyers make it in a start eating PT

[warm shuttle]

Who said it can kill tenos? Its just the fact its peck is downwards for snatching small animals but also seems to be just as effective as annoying the heck out of large aninals

tbh pt is just in a bad spot rn

If it gets its peck nerfed it would become useless to the point it cant hunt at all

Or if they remove its downwards peck it would be hard to snatch babies

[knotty harbor]

its post to eat fish and babies not grown adults

[jovial vessel]

Pt should not get decimated by tiny babies that can face tank it either, it’s just sad that PT is so weak now

Babies and smalls should be scared of it

[warm shuttle]

Who said its suppost to eat adults? The only adult dinosaur it should reasonably hunt currently is Hypsi

[knotty harbor]

wait babies are killing PT right now? LOL

[knotty harbor]

nah if anything can hit it in flight it should get messed up its a flyer with brittle bones thats tiny

a human could kick one and it would probably die

[warm shuttle]

So hypsi and babies should be able to kill pt

Whats the point of playing pt if everything can kill it, even fresh spawns

Fishing gets super boring super fast

[knotty harbor]

no not babies but hypsie yes

[warm shuttle]

Wtf no

Why the heck should hysi kill it

[knotty harbor]

whats the weight of each?

and i already stated why its the smallest flyer with tiny weight and has bones full of air

only flyer coming to game we know of that should be killing adults is quatz

[warm shuttle]

Hyspi has no weapons that should kill it

Pt has sharp beak, hyspi has weak little pokes

I have even seen juvie bepis destory adult pts

[knotty harbor]

hypsie could literally kick it and break bones most likely

[warm shuttle]

Hypi doesnt have a kick so whats ur point? Plus this is a video game not real life

No reason why tiny hyspi ingame should kill pt

[knotty harbor]

it is a video game but it should also make sense

[warm shuttle]

Pt killing hyspi makes sense

But then here you want the little guy hyspi to destory pt

If pt gets destoryed by hyspi, whats the point of doing anything but fishing

[knotty harbor]

no it doesnt there isnt enough of a size difference between pt and hyspi

[warm shuttle]

If babies and hyspi can kill it, why play it if all you can do is fish

[knotty harbor]

thats literally what its post to do is fish and eat fresh spawn juvies and nestlings

[warm shuttle]

it cant eat must fresh spawn juvies.

They own pt

[knotty harbor]

nobody is making the arguement that babies should kill it stop putting words in my mouth

[warm shuttle]

If hyspi can easily kill it why shoukdnt babies

[knotty harbor]

so now your making the argument just to argue in order to try to get me to defend a take i dont believe nice try though

[warm shuttle]

Idc what u say there is no reaosn hypsi can easily kill pt

[knotty harbor]

if you dont care what i say why bother responding

[warm shuttle]

if all pt can do is fish and someones kill fresh spawn juvie dryos whats the point of playing it

[knotty harbor]

there is no point glad your finally figuring that out its a dumb dino that shouldnt even be in the game they should have added a bigger flyer instead

[warm shuttle]

Well pt is staying in the game

[knotty harbor]

yes it is and it eats small fish and tiny babies

[knotty harbor]

@dusky surge whats your take on my new balance feedback post?

[warm shuttle]

@latent lotus good suggestion, idk why they removed old ceras scoop bite, it looked pretty cool

[latent lotus]

yeah :/ cera and carno both have a pretty boring alt bite, carno could have a head swing

[distant torrent]

#balance-feedback message this is absolutely a problem

love it when a carno rams towards the worst possible spot to attack a teno and gets zero to no punishment for it. ram unfortunately goes through tail slams, and it stuns them both. one gets up faster than the other, and it’s the carno

teno is punished with high ram damage and a few bites for accurately nailing a tail slam

and the tail slam damage nerf… poor teno can never catch a break

[dusky surge]

honestly, carno's ram remains one of my biggest problems with the animal

[distant torrent]

agreed. I’d absolutely be down for a buff to its stam as long as that ram damage is dealt with lol

[dusky surge]

Honestly, I've been thinking about what I'd do with carno. Personally, I'd give it
200 damage bite
150 damage alt-bite (headswing that does knockdowns against animals less than 50% of its weight)
250 damage charge (has a system similar to dryo's dodge where it has two charges, each on a 1 minute cooldown, to prevent spam. Charge lasts for 2 seconds and increases carno's speed, and no longer costs stam)

And all I'd do after that is give it a faster trotrate. Keep the stam as-is or give it a minor buff, because the charge would no longer be a stamhog.

[knotty harbor]

You ever look at what I posted?

[dusky surge]

i did, but I dislike the idea of a 200N bite force cera, or pachy being able to stunlock again.

Also your stego suggestion feels like it removes its iconic flank defence, making it a lot weaker. I'd prefer it has jabs as an option to defend its vulnerable head, alongside a swing

[distant torrent]

the ram no longer costing stam and having a minute cooldown honestly sounds divine. it’d require thought and timing for rams instead of just spamming them

[dusky surge]

Part of the idea, yea

Entire thing is built around carno being a small-game pursuit hunter and doing it COMPETENTLY

Not getting obliterated by the first 2 omniraptors that see it

The alt-bite fails at it beating up big animals, but helps keep omniraptors on their toes, since one headswing could be lethal due to the knockdown + bites while knockdown

[south sandal]

Hmm it’s good they can spam them cause they drain there own stam making them easier to hunt

Charge is the carno strong point it should cost stamina and be used more wisely

[south sandal]

Did you ever watch Jurassic park

Also pt is over 100 plus pounds and hypsi is only 40 no way hypsi should be able to kill pt

Not even Troodon should be able to kill pt honestly

Pt is so weak it’s not even funny

[dusky surge]

jurassic park is not a good source of dino facts lol

[slim dragon]

The Isle ptera, apart from the lack of pycnofibers, is one of the most accurate pteranodons in media

[south sandal]

Shouldn’t the pt be able to pick up things with it’s back legs tho

[dusky surge]

No

[south sandal]

Like smaller Dino’s

[dusky surge]

Have you seen ptera's legs

[south sandal]

I’m jus to use to ark

[slim dragon]

Not at all

[dusky surge]

these aren't grabbers

[slim dragon]

Pteranodon doesn't have grabbing feet

It barely has feet at all

[south sandal]

Pt just feels so weak

[dusky surge]

It's not a hunter dino, it's perfectly viable playing the intended way

[slim dragon]

That's because everything else is massive

And also the game rules force it to be weak (because of weight being equal to health)

[dusky surge]

You're essentially playing a prehistoric seagull

[south sandal]

It can’t kill anything on its diet fr

[slim dragon]

Also this

[dusky surge]

Also it should be weak for the sake of not being insufferable

"weak" is subjective, imho, ptera is insanely strong

[south sandal]

Stronggg

I mean it’s alright I guess

If it could actually kill something that’s on its diet

It would be a lot better

[dusky surge]

It can fly. It has the best bite force to weight ratio in the game. It's objectively faster and more mobile than the entire roster. It can pick any and all engagements. It has the best ability to spot potential threats. It can access areas no other animal on the roster can. It has a consistent and easy food source that means it basically never has to go hungry

[south sandal]

Bets bite force to weight ratio ?

Best *

[dusky surge]

Yes

[south sandal]

Why you think that

[dusky surge]

Because it's mathematically true

20 bite force compared to 45kg weight. No other animal has it that good

[south sandal]

Hm ig

Only good thing abt the pt is it can fly

Other than that it sucks

Once we get more flyers I guarantee no one will play pt

[slim dragon]

Not everything has to be a killer

Some people like me enjoy a chill playable from time to time

[south sandal]

That’s what I mean

It’s only good for flying and chilling

[slim dragon]

The problem si that for now, there's nothing to do besides combat

[south sandal]

But if I wanna chill ima just play on beipi

[slim dragon]

It's extremely good at surviving, scouting and exploring the map

It's actually so good at survival you actually can't die as ptera unless you really want to

[south sandal]

Not true

Unless you take the time to learn how to fly very good

[slim dragon]

Flying is easy

[south sandal]

Most people struggle with flying and fishing

[slim dragon]

idk what to tell you, it took me 20 minutes to get the hang of it first time I played

[south sandal]

You’ve probably played the game for a while

[slim dragon]

Flyying in this game is literally as complex as minecraft Creative Mode flight system

[south sandal]

Never played Minecraft

Wasn’t my thing

But I kinda understand

[slim dragon]

The only things that are hard to do as a ptera is kill things out of your size range (which is still possible since most of them can't escape nor counterattack) and perch on trees, none of which are required for survival, or even remotely useful to do

[south sandal]

I’ve killed fg pts on a juvie beipi

Idk I just find there combat a lil aggy

I’ve only played it one time tho

Ima try it again one day

[slim dragon]

As I said they're not made for combat
But they have the potential to kill pretty much anything as long as they don't do a dumb mistake
Ptera has the highest damage to weight ratio in the game, bar omni's pounce and deino's lunge

[south sandal]

Hmm idk I just feel like pt can’t do anything against a good troodon or something on there diet

Except fish which is the issue for me

And babies/juvies

I know they ain’t killers but should b atleast able to kill something on ther diet

[slim dragon]

Honestly the fact troodon is on ptera's diet makes no sense to me
Troodon is bigger, nocturnal, and a predator

[south sandal]

Yea I feel like they should have a more like Omnivore diet

Compy fish

I didn’t even know troodons were bigger

I played to much ark loo

lol * got me thinking pt is a medium size flyer

[jovial vessel]

ptera needs its turn radius back, it should also be able to pick at bones to eat

also the fact that a fresh spawn can face tank it is laughable and sad

should be able to pick up fresh utahs, troodons, dryos and hypsis and most hatchlings in its beak and take them to eat

[dusky surge]

its old turn radius was absolutely busted, to the point it could fly backwards, and it picking up these animals just makes it a discount quetz

[jovial vessel]

until we get a confirmed other flyer, i see no issue

[slim dragon]

Quetz is confirmed

[jovial vessel]

I am aware

Other than quetz.

[slim dragon]

So you see no issue in having the only two flyers in the game being quetz and smaller quetz ?

[jovial vessel]

not really bc quetz will hunt pt as well

we're already getting a range of dinos similar to trex lol

in varying sizes too!

we're also getting a smaller stego!

[slim dragon]

And they're being made different from each other

Ptera isn't supposed to be a hunter of dinosaurs, and especially not one that picks them up to drop them from high places

[jovial vessel]

I fail to see how a pt picking up tiny hatchlings and small freshspawns makes it a quetz

[slim dragon]

And I hope quetz won't be able to do that either because it's just as bad as deino's lunge in terms of gameplay

[slim dragon]

Quetz will most likely hunt small dinos

[jovial vessel]

quetz, according to a lot of things, was a ground hunter anyway

right now PT has no real interest to it other than brrr flying and screaming

quetz is huge btw, its gunna hit hard, or it should

[slim dragon]

Not everything has to kill other things to be enjoyable
It's just that for now, there is nothing else to do in the game

[jovial vessel]

while I agree, hunting out nests could be a very fun way to play

[dusky surge]

honestly, the issue with ptera is that it's SO easy that even with a proper lifecycle, completion of said lifecycle will be a breeze

[slim dragon]

Because ptera is a carnivore, people expect it to kill other dinos all day-long

[jovial vessel]

also gives nesting dinos a threat to watch out for

[dusky surge]

(it's the same plague that affected cera and made it the endurance monster it is)

[jovial vessel]

thats bc the devs hardly know balancing issues other than pure murder machines

[south sandal]

And fish eaters just like pt

[jovial vessel]

ya, biggun fish

[jade brook]

Busted turn radius ? servers rubberband are just saying No to your attacks unless the target standing still, did you play on ptera lately to see how fun is it to control a plane ? That's an overnerf

[neon portal]

no one is expecting it to kill dinos all day long but yes it should be a threat to tiny dinosaurs? The game is survival AND PVP so yes fighting is a part of the game ptera is never going to be a threat 99% of the server but tiny things should be worried about predatory birds

[dusky surge]

I personally enjoy the newer turn radius to the old turn radius

Feels more like an actual 45kg flying animal rather than a pigeon

[slim dragon]

Ptera is already a threat to tiny dinosaurs
It is also a threat to dinosaurs of any size if skilled and commited enough

[jovial vessel]

a freshspawn carno can facetank a pt

a fullgrown pt

[slim dragon]

ofc it can

[jovial vessel]

aight

[slim dragon]

Ptera isn't supposed to be facetanking anything

[dusky surge]

why are you facetanking that as a ptera

a tiger cub can facetank a fullgrown seagull

it's a seagull

[jade brook]

Facetanking to try to kill it ? since flying is no more viable

[dusky surge]

flying is... very viable

[slim dragon]

It is because it makes the carno unable to counterattack

So even if it's a full adult and surrounded by 20 other carnos you can kill it

[jovial vessel]

idk about you, but Ive never seen a seagull with a beak the size of a pt

[south sandal]

I don’t think I ever seen a pt get a kill not once

😭😭😭

[jade brook]

I'm saying a fresh spawn carno, you get the first bite, you should be able to face tank it

[cosmic pelican]

A fresh spawn carno is 54kg and deals around 7 dmg, its quite the opposite

[dusky surge]

Okay so it's an ibis

[slim dragon]

why ?

[dusky surge]

facetanking such a fun and interesting combat style oh boy

[jade brook]

How can you play petra and say it's "viable" ?

[slim dragon]

The only way to die as a ptera is actually trying hard to die

[unborn iris]

It's a survival game. Ptera is literally the easiest survivable dino in the game.

[slim dragon]

I consider that viable enough

[cosmic pelican]

As long as it can fly it will be viable no matter what

[slim dragon]

It's even better at surviving than deino and stego are (by a very large margin, regarding stego)

[south sandal]

The thrill of dying makes the game fun

[jade brook]

Suprise attacks should have an advantage, and carno can try to run, logical scenario when you been assaulted by a big seagull

[jovial vessel]

of course, why would anyone come in here to the discussion channel. Clearly everyone in here is wrong bar these three guys

[dusky surge]

A child can beat a seagull because it's still a seagull

[slim dragon]

It does give an advantage
But not enough in this case

[jade brook]

So if i follow your argument, ptera should fly and eat fish, that is all

[slim dragon]

Yeah basically
And other small animals it can catch

[south sandal]

That’s all they can do

[dusky surge]

It can do more than that but if you wanna boil it down and make it unappealing as possible, sure

[south sandal]

Eat fish and fly around screaming

[slim dragon]

Just like all carno does is run and eat dinos

[jade brook]

A seagull would make the child cry in fear and run

[dusky surge]

Ptera isn't meant to hunt things. That's just a fact

[rustic rock]

Personally I think deinos lose alot of effectiveness late stage, too damn big to be at all stealthy, too slow to go anywhere, but the major issue for the deinos is the loss of hydration per sec, it's too much for you to do anything on land for any real amount of time, very punishing honestly.

[dusky surge]

If the child wasn't scared, the seagull would die

[south sandal]

Cause deino isn’t meant to hunt on land

It got water niche for a reason

[jade brook]

I get that all of you hate Ptera now, you just want it out of the game, i'm just here saying ptera should be fun you say, just eat fish bro 🫠

[unborn iris]

I enjoy ptera.

[jovial vessel]

for Real

give it something interesting

[slim dragon]

Ptera is the thing I play the most

[unborn iris]

And I also was here for before the turn and bite nerf on ptera.. and it was broken.

[jovial vessel]

Same goes for all small class dinos

[dusky surge]

Like, if ptera was a herbi, this wouldn't be a problem, but by nature of being a carnivore, it's expected to be some killer creature

[rustic rock]

they'd actually hunt both on land and water, but hunting exclusively on water is not good gameplay personally, it's too narrow in a focus, everyone just avoids the hell out of you in the water and your just patrolling the water all damn day.

[unborn iris]

There's videos of people slaughtering carnos on birds without much trouble.

[jade brook]

Ptera was fun before the turn radius nerf, now it's fun for RP guys 🫠

[south sandal]

That’s a skill issue

[slim dragon]

Technically it is a killer
Fish have lives too

[dusky surge]

I like ptera, I enjoy playing ptera, it's a chilled out and fun experience. I don't need constant combat on every animal for it to be worth playing, ptera is a vibe.

[south sandal]

That’s cause all deinos do is sit in hot spots

Where people know not to drink from

[neon portal]

I expect herbis to be good for fighting as well.. its a pvp game not just a survival game

[jade brook]

Then why you want it to be a plane ? realism? you just don't care about people who liked it for being able to chase lil juvies

[rustic rock]

it's not that it's impossible to succeed in the river, it's that it's too narrow of a gameplay loop and i'd consider increasing their hydration limit and increasing their speed at full stam or something like that in order to make for some more creative ways to hunt other dinosaurs

[dusky surge]

I would personally like ptera to have more fun environmental interactions if anything (ability to dive into the water and then fly out, ability to eat bones or rot potentially, so on). It doesn't need to be a combatant to achieve more mechanical depth and interest

[slim dragon]

Depends on the herbi
Teno and stego have to be good fighters
Dryo and hypsi aren't really suited for that

[dusky surge]

Because I think that back when it was chasing animals around and killing adult carnos, it was absurd

[jade brook]

Yes i do too, but they aren't doing any work on ptera beside nerfs

[south sandal]

And no one plays dryo or hypsi

[neon portal]

Which is why you almost never see Dryo or Hypsi because theres nothing to do people only play them as a lol dino

[dusky surge]

Because those animals are literally unfinished

[neon portal]

saying this as someone who played a lot of dryo in legacy

[jovial vessel]

they need gameplay

[slim dragon]

I already mentioned that's because there's nothing to do yet

[rustic rock]

Deinos don't need to be faster, but I think limiting their hydration narrows their gameplay and personally I think it's too focused late game on river play, and tbh that's just boring really.

[jade brook]

50bite force was definetly too much, turn radius isnt

[dusky surge]

I will play the HELL out of hypsi if it gets the ability to climb and mess with herreras

[slim dragon]

And tbh it's hard to make an animal's life interesting in a videogame
But making these good fighters is an absurd solution

[dusky surge]

It could, literally, fly backwards

That's how good the turn radius was

[jovial vessel]

so change the radius, SLIGHTLY not to what it was

[jade brook]

I've never fly backward, did i miss an update or somethign ? i could see some rubberbanding on other ptera though

[slim dragon]

The only change I'd want for ptera's turn radius would be that air-braking allows it to make tighter turns

That way it can be agile in a way that makes sense and doesn't look completely ridiculous

[neon portal]

which is the problem with ptera! Theres nothing to do except fly, stare and scream oh and catch fish with zero issue cause its the easiest thing possible

[dusky surge]

If you knew how to, ptera's could literally make their turn circle so tight that they could hover over a single animal and turn constantly backwards

[dusky surge]

I can agree with that

[neon portal]

Personally I think freshspawns having to worry about things in the sky would add more of a challenge for them which they need and also stop them from just hanging around in the middle of the plains because while land dinos might find you hard to see a ptera doesn't

[jade brook]

That would affect only standing still dinos, when does this happend ? beside they can tweak it a bit for sure without shooting down his fight ability to ground only

[hollow canyon]

if you're not good enough

[slim dragon]

They have to worry, up to a certain size

But some animals start really big when they spawn

[hollow canyon]

it rightfully got nerfed as the Ptera players that actually could play it

[dusky surge]

Honestly, what I'd do is give it the ability to dive in and out of water, add more momentum to flight, have weather systems uniquely interact with its flight ability (wind allows for speed/slows, rain causes other things that may detriment the ptera's flight, storms pose risks due to dangerous conditions), and give it the ability to hang out on branches and whatnot like a herrera is planned to do

That's a good amount of mechanical depth while not making it an arbitrary killer creature

[hollow canyon]

were threatening Stegos and Carnos

[jade brook]

Yeah bad people die fast, not only agaisnt ptera though

[hollow canyon]

the two animals that have 0 ways of fighting back

[dusky surge]

No, good people die fast to goood pteras back then

[slim dragon]

Yeah
Make flying actually interesting instead of being just minecraft creative mode

[jade brook]

Bush and trees works fine

[dusky surge]

You could be the best carno in the world, you will ALWAYS lose to the best ptera

[hollow canyon]

no they don't

[slim dragon]

There is no counterplay against a good ptera

[hollow canyon]

not if the Pteranodon is good enough

[jovial vessel]

ptera should get a dive and a water takeoff yes

[dusky surge]

If you can hover, nope

[hollow canyon]

I've seen Pteranodons hunting things in the middle of the jungle

[south sandal]

Where do these good ptera be at

[slim dragon]

Last time I played ptera I fought a raptor megapack and killed a few juvies

[hollow canyon]

they were just good enough to pull it off

[south sandal]

Cause the one’s I see sucks

[hollow canyon]

the ones I've seen were on EU officials idk if they can still pull it off because - again - that's precisely why Pteranodon got nerfed

[dusky surge]

I do hope with weather, ptera's flight gets several changes with different weather conditions. That alone adds more engagement to the animal.

Oh, and if we REALLY want it interacting with other playables, make it an egg-eater. That way it does it's whole "nest nuisance" thing without needing to try and hunt stuff

[jade brook]

You could hunt if the target has been weakened, it's only fair for the amount of damage you did earlier, but fighting in a jungle make things way longer, are you commited enough to spend lot of time trying to hunt a juvie in a jungle ?

[hollow canyon]

so as NOT to be able to pull that off

[slim dragon]

I still dream of having the beta gliding system back one day

[jovial vessel]

why are you So against it hunting anyway lol

[neon portal]

Ptera isn't necessarily the issue with that though eventually there will probably be more flying threats the fact that most of the bites aim down to the ground is going to be a problem sooner or later

[dusky surge]

I've seen pteras solo fullgrown stegos from full health with nothing but patience

[hollow canyon]

^

[south sandal]

🧢

[dusky surge]

Stego couldn't do jack

[jovial vessel]

bad stego

[hollow canyon]

there used to be videos of that on youtube

[south sandal]

I’m not believing that

[dusky surge]

Explain to me how the stego was bad

[unborn iris]

You don't have to, it's definitely a thing.

[dusky surge]

What could have it done with its colossal hitbox

[jade brook]

You could littelary disconect on a ptera face idk how many time before it take you down lol

[dusky surge]

And no vertical attacks

[south sandal]

Yk how long it would take with a 20 bite force

[dusky surge]

I want ptera to be its own thing, not quetz-lite

[jade brook]

adult stego tail can swing a ptera

[south sandal]

And that trash Stam

[slim dragon]

And disconnecting being the only way to survive a ptera attack makes it not an issue ?

[jovial vessel]

it'd take forever, so thats a bad stego

[slim dragon]

It can't, because ptera flies

[jovial vessel]

simply, move away to where it cannot get you

[dusky surge]

Where is that?

[jade brook]

Getting soloed by a ptera is a issue, here is a skill issue

[jovial vessel]

cliffs? rocks? trees?

[unborn iris]

So you are forced to hide in a cave from a bird?

[slim dragon]

In what place can a ptera not get a stego ?

[dusky surge]

All of which ptera could ignore

I don't think you realise HOW good good ptera players were

[hollow canyon]

no

[jovial vessel]

all it takes is the ptera to mess up once lol

[dusky surge]

Which is why they never messed up

[slim dragon]

skill=disconnecting when someone starts attacking you because it's the only way for you to survive
Okay...

With how easy it is to fly, it's not hard to not mess up ever

[dusky surge]

I mean, to their defence, they were VERY good pteras, but that doesn't excuse how they could literally end stegos

[jovial vessel]

you realise these players you're speaking of, are complete outliers and should not play into the balancing of a creature

[south sandal]

Forget the past we all know a pt isn’t soloing nothing now

[jade brook]

I'm using disconnection as for saying " there so many time for you to think"

[slim dragon]

Back in update 3 I couldv'e killed FG deinos if they didn't retreat underwater

[dusky surge]

They should because it's still a ptera taking down a 5 hour grow with zero counterplay

[jade brook]

Can you aslo hit a stego and kill it without aiming for the head ?

[slim dragon]

It still can, and does

[south sandal]

Like what

[jade brook]

Aiming for the head = tail range

[slim dragon]

Like anything but deino and beipi

[south sandal]

Troodon claps pt

Utah does as well

[dusky surge]

Because they can jump

[slim dragon]

If the ptera is bad yeah

[jovial vessel]

let troodon ride pt and be a glorious beast in the air

[neon portal]

is no one finding an issue with the fact dino's have no way of attacking vertically in any way?

[jovial vessel]

oh yes, extremely

[south sandal]

How else can you attack it but from one angle ? All they have to do is jump

And you out the air

[rustic rock]

Yeah, would be cool to leap out of the water with a deino.

[jovial vessel]

stego should be able to rear itself up, it does so in its buck animation, rear up and knock it down

[slim dragon]

Just fly higher or dodge the jump
It's much easier to predict an omni or troodon jumping than a ptera's aerial movements

[neon portal]

like instead of nerfing ptera into a flying sim why not address the issue for some reason you cannot simply swipe up or look up and bite

[south sandal]

And how you gonna land a hit flying higher

As soon as you go in for a attack your predictable af

[slim dragon]

Left click on the jumping omni

[south sandal]

A good Omni isn’t gonna jump at a pt not in range

[dusky surge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1020799725378752553/StegoSwing.gif

I'm still excited for this

[jovial vessel]

that looks broken as hell

[south sandal]

That’s for T. rex

Head shot I’m assuming

[slim dragon]

That is the way stego should actually have been using its tail from the start

[jovial vessel]

i mean sure yes, i want it to have more range in its swings, do not get me wrong but that is........ thats not great

[dusky surge]

Stego needs more attacks

[jovial vessel]

i hope the animation improves

[dusky surge]

It's a WIP they said

So don't worry about it

Proof of concept if anything

[jovial vessel]

gestures to the utah juvi run that is in the game

sometimes they let their bad animations creep in to gameplay

but yes, stego needs more attacks, doesnt need a headshot uppercut right now but its good that its getting it

[dusky surge]

Generally I see those bad animations added for balance purposes (i.e. when they slowed down carno because it was nuts at sub and ended up making its entire growth look botched)

[jovial vessel]

carno run looks so goofed now lol

[south sandal]

Will they ever add a bigger raptor ?

[jovial vessel]

if they do, I hope it has a neat kit

[rustic rock]

deino's camping water all day isn't good gameplay, deino's need to be incentivized to try land ambushes, this would also make them vulnerable to other carno's. as it stands they own the water as they should, but their lack of stam and hydration limits them solely to the water.

[south sandal]

The thing is even on land nothing rivals deino other than stego

[rustic rock]

deino's being on land tho are fightable and because they burn stam soo hard they easily tire out

[jovial vessel]

and stego v deino should never of been a thing

terrible matchup

[south sandal]

Deino doesn’t need Stam lol

[dusky surge]

They're adding utahraptor. Like, actual utahraptor

[south sandal]

500 bite force that’s something to not to mess with

[jovial vessel]

when stegos get removed from officials, crocs will have nothing stopping them from land

[neon portal]

they don't need stam to bite though and a bite or two to pretty much everything on the roster is death or you need to run

[dusky surge]

We can only hope Dondi's difficulty stick and Gateway's design makes it not 100% insufferable

[rustic rock]

the gameplay for deino's is too limited and are pretty boring late game, it's not good gameplay, every other carno is more fun and so is every herbivore, it needs to change.

[south sandal]

Yeah Utah is bigger and feathered like a bird

[jovial vessel]

if he does one thing right, it better be the apex destruction

[jovial vessel]

stego is the same, theres nothing to do as a big stego other than fish for crocs, theyre too big, both of them - for the roster we have rn

[dusky surge]

Based on how enraged he gets by Deino being easy, I doubt he'd be pleased to see a plentitude of Rexes living it easy, considering he loves that animal and wants it to be a special thing, not a common occurance

[rustic rock]

I'd agree with you, maybe decreasing the bite damage could resolve that.

[south sandal]

Yeah deino gets pretty boring

That’s why you go on land and terrorize everything you can lol

[jovial vessel]

the map design does not help

[neon portal]

Deinos are rightfully very very strong adding them to the land is going to just to exacerbate the issue of 50 crocs on a server. Deino is boring but thats because they're easy as hell once other water competitors come in and the new map is released that will help making them land predators is NOT the right option

its a croc its meant to have insane bite damage

[rustic rock]

I agree, but the further I get in the game as a deino, THE WORSE the gameplay gets, and primarily due to the limiting hydration, if I didn't get dehydrated soo fast, atleast I could set up ambushes on land and still have fun, but also take risks on the land because of it.

[jovial vessel]

nooooooo

crocs meant for water, you should be in it or near it

they only feel so dry to play bc theres too many of them for one, and also the roster around them is terrible for their gameplay

it'll fix itself up, eventually

[rustic rock]

I disagree, it would actually force deino's to give up their invulnerability in the water and make them take risks which would lead to a better gameplay experience, no one trusts water right now because no one can actually fight a deino except a deino in the water... it's dumb. If you make em come to land then they lose that benefit, but deino's wont do that if they can't last more then 3 mins on land..

[rustic rock]

Idk man, I'm the only deino in my server, atleast I'm pretty sure.

[neon portal]

if you're playing officials i promise you you're not

[jovial vessel]

which server? bc the ones I play on have croc megapacks swarming the main hub river

[south sandal]

Must be na6 or 7

[dusky surge]

there's so many deinos god damn

[neon portal]

They're insanely strong and easy to grow one of the only things keeping them under control is the fact they can't wander across the map - they have bleed resistance, huge bite force and are designed to be hugely strong nothing is really a threat to it outside of stego's

[rustic rock]

That's always the case, the main river is the hotspot for deino's but outside of that area, it's pretty dead, and i'd say as a deino player its average 5 - 10 at max and that's it. But I think in the long term deino gameplay will die out because of the exclusivity of the water gameplay late game.

[dusky surge]

God I wanna see Gateway deino performance

[neon portal]

It has not died out AT all since release if anything its gotten worse

also if you've been playing this game long enough you'd know 90% of players gravitate to apexes

[jovial vessel]

jump on AU1 and go to center river, look at the croc population there haha

[south sandal]

If deinos would canni on the regular it would be better

But since no one wanna lose 5 hours of growth time they play scary

[neon portal]

even though everyone agrees stego is boring as hell you still see tons of them because they're strong

[south sandal]

Rather be friends with every deino then hunt em

[neon portal]

and you can't use 'i went to the really quiet parts of the map where no one hangs out' as evidence for no one playing croc

[rustic rock]

all of our experiences are different, and that's fine. However, Im pointing out the long term experience will die out for deino players because it is just punishing over-time, and because of this the players who play deino's will reduce overtime.

[south sandal]

Heck nah

[neon portal]

How long have you been playing exactly since you're new in the server

[rustic rock]

just so happens to be my experience right now, it certainly isn't always the case.

[south sandal]

Deino players ain’t going no wherr

[jovial vessel]

I can see your concern, but it really will not happen, players will always want to play the biggest and strongest dinosaur, deino will always be up there

[south sandal]

Strongest carnivore for now

[jovial vessel]

for now yeah

[south sandal]

What was stronger than deino on legacy ?

[jovial vessel]

but its still going to remain a strong, big river ambusher

legacy didnt have anything in that niche so I wouldnt be able to tell you

[neon portal]

there was no deino in legacy but Rex, Giga and Trike were the top dogs

[south sandal]

Is giga confirmed

[jovial vessel]

and before mr sucho comes in here, this is referring to official servers, so no others

[rustic rock]

fair point, I'd consider your view, it's not wrong, especially with new players coming through. I guess deino gameplay isn't for me then, atleast late stage, it's too much a slog and wayy too limiting for me. I'll go back to playing Cera or Omni atleast I can enjoy that at the longterm stages.

[jovial vessel]

yes

[neon portal]

if we're only counting the official dinos theres other things that weren't on officials that were in their own thing - like Shant

[rustic rock]

Ot

[jovial vessel]

with new players coming in yeah, I can see how it would be disheartening, but this game is (unfortunately still) in early access, so its not finished. And its gameplay is extremely unwelcoming to newcomers

hopefully you get the croc late gameplay you're after!

(one day)

[neon portal]

Things that are in the top tier have always been the most popular it's not going to change I've got years in this game and near 2000 hours and its always held true

croc will be better once it gets the difficulty smack and once the other water dinos come in it will be way better

[hollow canyon]

I'm down if it's downsized to its real size

[jovial vessel]

also apex gameplay is going to be painful, apparently

so if its a slog now! its gunna be worse!! which is a good thing, Im so sorry Clay

[hollow canyon]

make it faster, less tanky, keep the biteforce

[jovial vessel]

then you would have a sarco or kapro no?

[hollow canyon]

no, Sarco is even smaller

[jovial vessel]

h/o bring in the kapro from ark, let me LEAP

[hollow canyon]

Kapro is so tiny that it's outright funny

[hollow canyon]

and kill what? a Dryo?

[jovial vessel]

yes

[south sandal]

Wym to real size

[jovial vessel]

lets GO

[hollow canyon]

thrilling gameplay, just swap it with a Prestosuchus or Barinasuchus or Saurosuchus

[south sandal]

Sacro and kapro just a lesssr deino

[rustic rock]

Like, it's not fun.. over time the game reduces your functionality and increases damage, hp and size.. but you become more and more limited in securing kills.. and maybe people percieve that as a challenge, but there is really not much challenge to AFK a shallow side of a river or a crossing, and just win automatically.. and killing other deino's is just rude and people don't appreciate it.. and that gets boring to, overall it's not a gameplay design in my opinion at the later stages, nothing is fun sitting their for HOURS waiting for someone to show up... and it's super short lived and becomes a gimmick.. I just think deino's need to be re-examined a bit not saying a rework but we need to consider how this gameplay is affecting other players and the deino experience.. It's not fun for people to have to stop moving for hours staring at a river... waiting and waiting, like I get it, but it needs to be expanded a bit.

[hollow canyon]

Deinosuchus rugosus which is what the thing in the game clearly meant to be based on the model and the first trailers is smaller than what we have in the game

[jovial vessel]

unless their spino is gunna be smoll

[south sandal]

Deino is big was

Asf* irl they could get up to 11k lbs

[hollow canyon]

I don't see how Spino has anything to do with it, it's enormous in the game, oversized for sure but even irl it's bigger than D. rugosus

[jovial vessel]

Ok, but that is what their gameplay is designed around, its not supposed to be anything but an ambusher in the water

[hollow canyon]

the one in the game is around 19k lbs

[south sandal]

And 40-50 feet long

[dusky surge]

idk why you thought i disagree deino is absolutely insane

[jovial vessel]

I was referring to the trailer of the deino and spino having a roar off

[hollow canyon]

nothing like that ever happened on any trailer

[jovial vessel]

when we didnt mention anky in the apex list given just before

[south sandal]

Where I find it

[hollow canyon]

there was only a scene in the Hope trailer where a threatened Deinosuchus was hissing at a T.rex that towered above it and then got hit with the blast of the roar.

[jovial vessel]

bruh i swear it did god ignore me then, im so tired

was it a trex? lmao oops

[neon portal]

allo is just lesser rex if you want to use that logic theres nothing wrong with things that are similar but occupying slightly different niches if you ignore the other water dinos that will come in and sawy they brought in a smaller more agile croc its not going to fill the exact same spot of a deino

[hollow canyon]

nah, Spino was on the trailer but it was never shown with Deino

[jovial vessel]

it was hahaha shh, ignore me

rawr

[rustic rock]

Yes, but ambushing in the water exclusively is NOT good gameplay, it's too limiting and makes everyone in the server paranoid of the river, which is fine but for example if you as a deino player want to explore or ambush on land.. good luck your lack of hydration is really the dead end to that adventure... it's the major limiting factor for deino's hydration should be increased, everything else can honestly stay the same........ fact is if you limit a creature to solely be the best in one specific scenario and stonewall it from performing anywhere outside of this narrow gameplay experience... well that's how you get deino's camping rivers.

[hollow canyon]

"rawr" Tyrannosaurus dwarfs it

and that's the oversized Deino

[hollow canyon]

you can also usurp the kills of other animals which is what I love to do

[jovial vessel]

It fits its gameplay well, it might just not be the gameplay style for you

[hollow canyon]

will be even easier after Stego gets removed

[jovial vessel]

remove deino too

[hollow canyon]

I'd want that but it is not happening

[jovial vessel]

it wont, no

[hollow canyon]

Deino is staying

[jovial vessel]

sadly

[hollow canyon]

Stego goes off to unofficials with T.rex and Trike

[jovial vessel]

maybe things will get better with Gateway map and also deino difficulty spike, I hope so, please devs

[rustic rock]

right cause soo many people enjoy sitting and doing nothing for hours and hours only to miss out on the opportunity to kill someone or participate in anything on land.. It has legs for a reason and it's highly vulnerable on land, although fully grown it's a huge threat, that takes HOURS to get to and before hand taking these would increase the likelihood of killing deino's on land before they mature.

[jovial vessel]

well, clearly a lot of people like it bc.... a lot of people play it

[south sandal]

About 25% of every server is probably deino

[neon portal]

every dino should not be able to do everything though... thats like saying i want to play a cera but explore and ambush in water. Deino is a water based dino if you don't want to be mostly locked to water then play a land based dino. Deino dominates the water and if it wants can easily stretch out into land near the water (provided stegos aren't around) Theres no reason it should be another land predator

[rustic rock]

no, I think people play it because they WANT a certain experience from it, but over time that experience dwindles as you gain size.. MOST deino players actually just suicide after sub adult stage.. cause it sucks and it's much more fun to play as a sub-adult.

[south sandal]

It lacks the thrill of death

[neon portal]

They really do not there is a huge issue of overpopulation of deinos even the devs are aware

so it has a PLENTY big player base it doesn't need even more going for it

[jovial vessel]

i dont have much deino gameplay experience myself, i dont enjoy the gameplay bc yeah, its super super boring to me, i like being able to move around the map

i dont have the patience for proper deino play

[hollow canyon]

tbh that is Deino gameplay, if you don't like that... well I don't think Deino is for you

[south sandal]

It’s a 8 ton beast it can’t do much

[rustic rock]

Like I said earlier, deino is fun... until you reach adult stage.. people commonly kill themselves after that stage because it sucks. Sub-adult is where it's at, but unless youplay deino you don't know that.

[jovial vessel]

how many hours you have on deino?

[south sandal]

I need to be on that server

[jovial vessel]

have you played any other dino?

[rustic rock]

lol

[hollow canyon]

Deino has been my most played animal since update 5

[rustic rock]

yeah, Omni and cera

[neon portal]

same someone tell me where the server where theres almost no adult crocs is please

[jovial vessel]

and did they give you the roaming, land hunting experience you wanted? bc thats what theyre for

[rustic rock]

i guess your the one who enjoys sitting for hours and hours doing nothing.. I found the guy.

[hollow canyon]

nope, I enjoy killing other Deinos

[jovial vessel]

aken doing gods work

[rustic rock]

that gets old tbh

[hollow canyon]

I don't care about hunting much else but I do kill quite a lot of other animals by chance

[hollow canyon]

it never really does

[jovial vessel]

Im sorry Clay but you are not going to get this strange deino gameplay you're after here, its not that sort of animal

[rustic rock]

well, I don't wanna sound like a broken record. It sounds like deino isn't for me.

[hollow canyon]

omnomnom

[jovial vessel]

its really not, im sorry bud

[neon portal]

Omni is my fav to play because I like fast gamplay in groups where kills often involve a lot of risk and coordination (teno is my other fav)

[south sandal]

Beipi n Omni for me

[hollow canyon]

kill kill kill

[jovial vessel]

Omni good fun, teno is too but they feel weak rn (or they did last I played), cerato is good bc they cute chuffy babies

[rustic rock]

Yeah, omni is very engaging, and fun. like most all the other dinosaurs and from what I gather people I've talked to say this as well about the omni

[neon portal]

I'd def suggest cylcing through and growing all of the dinos and see what gameplay you like the most not just what one looks the coolest or seems the strongest (lets be real most people play croc soley because its strong) but you should be picking fav based on what gamplay style is the most fun for you

[neon portal]

I thank you for your service

[hollow canyon]

you're welcome soldier

[jovial vessel]

someones gotta do the hard work around here

[hollow canyon]

keeping La Isla Spiro's waters clear

https://tenor.com/view/honest-word-its-honest-work-it-aint-much-it-aint-much-but-its-honest-work-gif-13763573

[rustic rock]

that's not why I picked it, I picked it because it seemed unique. I have tried other gameplay experiences.

[jovial vessel]

I hope you find the dino gameplay experience you enjoy most

[rustic rock]

tbf, they are all unique experiences.

[south sandal]

Just don’t pick the hypsi

[jovial vessel]

how dare you insult hypsi

[rustic rock]

I'll keep that in mind lol

[south sandal]

I’m sorry but they only good for lookin cute

[jovial vessel]

aight at least u said they cute

[neon portal]

pick hypsi if you want to see cute dino but no other reason

[south sandal]

They also have very vibrant colors I love that

[neon portal]

honestly dryo is the same (i am not taking criticism on if dryo is cute or not it is)

[rustic rock]

So, why is it that the wiki has all this info on dino's that aren't yet in the game. Also, it seems this game was remade or something? there is footage of older stuff, or is that unofficial server stuff?

[neon portal]

yeah so few years back the Legacy branch was out but they basically did a remake which is evrima

was different time but a good one

[jovial vessel]

legacy got scrapped, what youre playing right now is the isle version ... 3?

[neon portal]

basically you're looking at evrima (current) vs legacy (old/outdated/abandoned) version