balance-feedback-discussion

[white cove]

Even had to breakaway from a pick pack with many mouths to go get my own food since I was too hungry to afford the split

So I think Utah is actually quite fine, cant make a big pack then sustain yourselves from juvi stegos and adult pachys in a 1v8

Carno I haven't played enough to have a good grasp of it tbh

this update diet wise

[dusky surge]

at least with deino you have to be in a very specific place at a very specific time

you always know where a deino isnt

[white cove]

fix deino outline bug plZ

sincerely,

not even a deino player

[modern echo]

deino in a nutshell

I find the only fun dinos to play are pachy, utah and ptera

teno's alright tho

[hexed sorrel]

@neat glen if the carno stands still, im sure it can survive 4-5 bucked pounces.

@alpine plover in open plains, carno can literally outstam utah what are you on about, you get out-stammed by teno sure, but thats only is you dont mange your stamina properly. food drain I agree with. bleed resistance I dont. Carnos just need to get used to not being able to just sprint around spam biting, you need to play smart, conserve stamina, stand still and avoid too much movement, try hitting the utah on exit, and when it comes down to survival you would always use rocks to block the utahs on exit. overall carno food drain should be buffed yeah.

[keen plover]

1 bucked pounce took like 15-20% BP iirc when I last saw, so yeah. If the carno stands completely still the whole time with no movement, it would probs take like 5 pounces. Although for you to actively survive, you'd probs want to move a bit.

[hexed sorrel]

yeah i mean like standing still and turning, trying to doge pounces and/or bite them when they exit

[keen plover]

yeah

that is most optimal

[half girder]

guys..

what do with think about stego being 5.3 and being faster but doing less dmg and it can swing and run?

[opaque beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-gif-23756243

@hallow quiver When a Utah disslatches it has a 50/50 chance of dying

Thats just how stego and pounce work

[half girder]

150 boost from 3 diets was pog

[opaque beacon]

@cedar agate Utah gets 1 shot by stego and 2 tail slams from a teno kills it, 3 shots by a carno to kill it, I dont know what you mean by massive and strong

Pack limits shoukd be 8 if not more.. its a pack hunter

[opaque beacon]

Growth wise?

[half girder]

yeah

[opaque beacon]

Yes

Also stego needs to be nerfed a lil stam wise

[half girder]

no it doesnt

[dusky surge]

no thanks lmao

[half girder]

honestly reworked

[dusky surge]

if stego is getting a running attack, it should be a blind flail, not a jab

[opaque beacon]

otherwise idk why tf it was added if its out of the current playables leagues

[dusky surge]

cover its backside but leave the front end exposed

[half girder]

it wont be a jab lol

yes!

[dusky surge]

RMB = the swing
Alt + RMB = the jab

[half girder]

yeeee

5 head mr troodon

[opaque beacon]

What u mean

[cedar agate]

I mean in future...nothing is balanced rn. Utah is generally big and powerful, 5-6 is enough of em.

[dusky surge]

Swing covers around 90+ degrees backside, can be used while running and does less damage (perhaps 750?). Used to get chasing predators off your ass

Jab is exactly how it is now. Its jab

[opaque beacon]

dude..

[half girder]

perfecto

[cedar agate]

ur name literally says mr utah 😹

[dusky surge]

this is true

and unlike me i dont believe its a running gag

SPEAKING OF

[opaque beacon]

3 adult carnos oblitirate Utah packs

theres no need of reduction

[dusky surge]

rebirth

[half girder]

mr troodon join the st and help me get that out there

[dusky surge]

should've honestly

i was QA but forgot to do the ST thing

[half girder]

stego is so boring dude

[opaque beacon]

bro you guys want running stego attack 💀

[dusky surge]

stego is boring and will likely be utter trash when apexes come out

[keen plover]

I'd rather it be a trot personally

[half girder]

it didnt stand still and attack lol

[keen plover]

running and swinging sounds like you're wasting your stamina a lot

[half girder]

5.3 weight and more speed would be nice

can outrun rex

just by a smidge

[cedar agate]

u didn't read what I said, I said in future or else it will just be legacy all over again, this is not jp, we need balance, troodon is your guy if u want a horde of killers

[dusky surge]

its not a bad idea. It'd only be really useful on chasing predators, it does jackshit protect your vulnerable head or shoulder areas

[opaque beacon]

Bro if you wanna chase things which IDK WHY you would want to as a stego just bite

[half girder]

just stick ur head into a tree

[dusky surge]

swing would be useless as a chaser/hunter

it covers your ass

[half girder]

i think me and mr troodon know what fun means tbh

[dusky surge]

jab = omnidirectional
swing = 90 degrees covering backside

jab can ONLY be used standing still, like how it is atm

[half girder]

yes

now onto pachy..

[slim dragon]

stego AoE attack

[opaque beacon]

Your missing the point, Evrima is not Legacy, combat is different. A pack of Utahs is a pack of utahs, you should not be wanting to run into them

[opaque beacon]

You mean you want legacy stego

[dusky surge]

Pachy should have its downwards ram do WAY more damage. Its literally fucking sandwiching the animal between a rock and a hard place, and should be reflective of that. Imagine, you knockdown a utah with alt-bite and combo into the downwards ram move for massive damage and fracture

Makes it more than just a coconut cracker and makes pachy able to create combos

[opaque beacon]

with a swing

[keen plover]

No, that was an offensive, rather than a defensive swing

[dusky surge]

downward ram is so slow and incapable of being used offensively, it can only be used in a combo on stunned opponents (which it should)

[opaque beacon]

But stego can defend itself

[keen plover]

For now. It needs to be able to retreat and defend itself eventually since stationary attacks are bad

[dusky surge]

the swing on legacy stego is too large to reflect the idea I'm proposing

[opaque beacon]

If you wanna defend you stand still and watch how your enemy moves not play offensive and run at em

[half girder]

120 dmg on ram

5 shotting a utah is aids

[opaque beacon]

True

it should be 3

[half girder]

facts

[keen plover]

Like I assume stego in the future would not want to stand around and use a stationary attack on an acro pair or mid tier pack or whatever. Rex would just tank the swing and get the 2x on the head

[half girder]

but... people wont like that

[dusky surge]

jab would be USELESS against rex

we need swing for rex

[half girder]

JUST RUNN

[opaque beacon]

YES

[keen plover]

heck any of the apex carnis and probably acro pairing

[opaque beacon]

RUN from the fucking rex its out of your killing range

[half girder]

thats why we need lighter faster move while attacking stego

[keen plover]

Stego can't run lol

[dusky surge]

i doubt stego is outrunning rex so it needs a way to make him fuck off

[half girder]

stego would be so fuuun

[opaque beacon]

Sounds like a stego problem

xd

[keen plover]

So balance it?

[keen plover]

💀

[half girder]

i mean if it cant outrun it then oh well

but idk would be kool

[opaque beacon]

theres also a thing called predator and prey.. like the stego being the prey and the rex predator

[dusky surge]

wow that sounds really fun and not at all like a way to make stego unplayable

[cedar agate]

no you are, I didn't say evrima is legacy. I know its different bruh. Of course utahs should be dangerous, but a large pack of them is unatural, this isn't a soley combat MOBA game. They're animals too. With 40 or so more playables to come utahs wont be the only cool jp raptor. I just think it would fit utah cause, u saying they should be more in packs is like saying allos should be in ack of 10 but in reality thats unatural I mean come on.

[keen plover]

See rex, die.

[opaque beacon]

bro its a rex

[dusky surge]

damn, saw a rex, there goes 6 hours :)

absolutely thrilling

[opaque beacon]

I guess outrun it or something

[dusky surge]

how tf a stego outrunning a REX

[opaque beacon]

maybe avoid it but if your ambushed ur fucked

[opaque beacon]

idk man the isle

[keen plover]

Even if it did, the rex would sniff it out and out trot it 💀

[slim dragon]

What if you see a rex coming your way from 500m away and since you're a plains animal you have nowhere to hide ?

[dusky surge]

stego = herbivore = food = eat grass and die

[keen plover]

forest stego niche

[slim dragon]

yes

[keen plover]

Has to avoid plains

[dusky surge]

make stego accurately weighted at 8 tons

[slim dragon]

yes

[opaque beacon]

Can somone tell this man the difference between 10 allos and 6 utahs

[opaque beacon]

chonky

[slim dragon]

And trike at... what's the largest estimate already ? 13 tons ?

[dusky surge]

lmao mf out here with the shant weight

[cedar agate]

bruh you said it yourself

[opaque beacon]

I dont believe a Stego should be able to kill a rex, I feel like they should add a way for it to hide or just make it less of a fat ass and run from rex 😂

[slim dragon]

I'm sure there is an absurdly high trike weight estimate out there

somewhere

[keen plover]

Not kill, defend. Rex gets hurt, runs away

Not everything needs to end in death

[dusky surge]

i would be fine with a stego clapping a rex. If the rex doesn't retreat, it should be prepared to get fucking destroyed

[slim dragon]

I believe a stego should kill a rex that tries to facetank its tail attacks

[opaque beacon]

YEAH a pack of 8 utahs is fucking ok right now, theres a reason why carno had a limit of 3 and not 25 homie

You sound like you have overpacking issues

[opaque beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-matter-dont-care-peaceful-laid-back-zen-life-gif-11841640

[cedar agate]

bruhhh

u are for overpacking or something?

[keen plover]

8 utahs is fine. Most creatures have insane herds already. Pachy, teno, stego. 3 carnos destroy utahs.

[opaque beacon]

idk man its classified as mid tier innit?

[keen plover]

No

[cedar agate]

Again I said in the future not now

[opaque beacon]

no differnce

[dusky surge]

its apex tier

[keen plover]

Allo is a mid tier. That thing is 2.8T. Stego is currently 2x+ the size. Potentially upsized to 7-8T if need be

[cedar agate]

bruhhh

[opaque beacon]

why tf is it in the game lmao... i need a conclusion devs

[dusky surge]

deino is also apex tier

[cedar agate]

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-ramsey-shut-up-mondter-kitchen-cooking-shut-it-down-gif-13442207

[keen plover]

Mistakes were made.

[opaque beacon]

iit kinda shits on it tho xddd

[opaque beacon]

what are you trying to explain

[dusky surge]

yea because deino isnt meant to be fighting animals in its own tier

[cedar agate]

I think community voted for it...but ye it was a misstake to add now but honestly...deinos kinda pick a fight vs stegos idk now tho, theres huge rivers for deinos to avoid stegos.

[opaque beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/po-dies-dies-of-death-teletubbies-gif-23885910

[cedar agate]

So it will be no difference when we get even more playables in the future that might suffer from mega pak utahs? AAAA

[opaque beacon]

I feel like a deino irl would just fucking snatch the stegos tiny head lmao

[cedar agate]

me rn

[opaque beacon]

8 utahs is not a mega pack bro

[cedar agate]

but u said 10

or more I meant

[opaque beacon]

I said it should be 8 if not then more

[cedar agate]

Utahs are not the size of wolves, Utahs are HUGE they dont have to be so many.

[slim dragon]

everything in the isle is huge

[opaque beacon]

any less and its unstable, we tried that already and evrything shat on utahs so they bumbed it to 8

[cedar agate]

what did we have before?

[opaque beacon]

6

[opaque beacon]

True

[cedar agate]

watch them change it again in future lmao, idc at this point, things change every second so. Soon utah will be less played cause of better classes. I hope not tho I want everything to be fun and balanced to a degree

[opaque beacon]

also Utahs are not huge bro... not compared to other playables in the game rn atleast

[keen plover]

Not played due to better classes, rather more options so people play as their mains

[opaque beacon]

[cedar agate]

As from my experience from legacy ppl went the strongest.

not everyone of course but

[keen plover]

That's because playing smaller playables made no sense. There was no niches

Like why play as a utah when I can play as an allo?

1 hour longer grow

[cedar agate]

It usually is that way, ppl want to play the best and most rewarding.

[keen plover]

Now, utahs have their own niches.

[cedar agate]

utah is also overrated cause of jp

[opaque beacon]

Idc who wants to play Utah or who dosent, but its fine to have 8, Utah is going to have way more prey and predators as the game develops, 8 is decent for a pack, Not everything has to be able to fight back just understand that, a pack of utahs should not fuck with a rex for example, devs dont just got and balance fights for utah v rex for example..

[keen plover]

Yeah, people like raptors in general

[opaque beacon]

I just liked it as a kid tbh

[keen plover]

8 is fine. Good even. If anything, people should complain about 8 tenos 💀

[cedar agate]

alright 8 is fine for being the isle I guess, but if it was more realistic 5 would be more than enough. Let alone a pair. But whatever.

[opaque beacon]

their limit is 8?

[keen plover]

yes

[opaque beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/seriously-gif-23861497

[cedar agate]

8 tenos is ok? they're herding kinda thing, dont they need even more balancing too?

[keen plover]

imo it should be 6, with dynamic grouping allowing juvis and subs to be in your group

[opaque beacon]

6 tenos MAX

I did not know it was 8 xdd

[cedar agate]

hmm hmm I dont agree, feels weird, they're small and should be able to be that many, besides u grow pretty fast and juvis/subs are weak/barely in groups.

[opaque beacon]

Stego is 3 correct?

[keen plover]

tenos are not small?

[cedar agate]

well compared to other creatures

[keen plover]

They're 1600kg. utahs are 450kg. lol

[cedar agate]

stego should be 5 in groups

[keen plover]

Stego is 5

[cedar agate]

Utahs are predators tho

[opaque beacon]

shit that needs fixing

3-4 for stego

[keen plover]

small predators. 3 tenos can wipe out a pack of utahs

[cedar agate]

nah its fine, lets not make stegos solo play as ankys...

[opaque beacon]

5 too much atleast for right now

[cedar agate]

why go against a herd of tenos?

[opaque beacon]

Ay bro utahs are fragile just a fyi

[golden coral]

2 for stego and deino. 3 for carno. 4-5 for teno. 5-6 for pachy and utah. 7-8 for dryo and ptera and hypsi.

[cedar agate]

well balance reasons, dont forget utahs will be able to open doors and jp shiz to mercs so mmight change, but in general animals mostly go for SUBADULTS or smaller prey if alone or less in a pack

[opaque beacon]

Nahh

[cedar agate]

hm we should have more sub AI eventually to make it make sense

[cedar agate]

2 for steo? na, they family creatures

[golden coral]

Yes. Those are good numbers. Smaller groups over larger ones are good. I'd rather see more different groups than one or two larger ones at the least.

[keen plover]

You know what's funny

Ptera's group limit is 6

[golden coral]

No they're not, they're large, lethal, and have terrible attacks for communal defense

[cedar agate]

oof, should be like 10, like colony by beach

[golden coral]

The hadrosaurs and ceratopsids are more likely the ones that would work good in a group, not the stegosaur or ankylosaur

[cedar agate]

yes but we all know em from being that anyways, 2 feels SO weird, anky is that type of animal...

[opaque beacon]

Deino 3, Stego 4, Carno 3, Teno 5, Pachy 6, Utah 8

[golden coral]

No, absolutely not.

[cedar agate]

deino dont need limit lol cause they flock irl whnever somethings in water

[opaque beacon]

true

they are cannibalistc aswell

[cedar agate]

that too

[dusky surge]

deino 3, no. Pachy should be same as utah. Stego can be 3 or 4 idc. Carno is fine. Teno 5 is also fine.

[opaque beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-isle-the-isle-spinosaurus-spino-gif-20307570

[dusky surge]

Pachy should be allowed 8 if utah is too

[keen plover]

5-6 tenos imo. 8 is overkill for what they are

[cedar agate]

I like saurians way of grouping pachy pairs and stuff, pachy in packs feels weird as fak

[opaque beacon]

I guess yeah

[golden coral]

Nah, I'd rather just suggest they change it to something more reasonable!

[opaque beacon]

Yeah pachy does have low HP so 8 does make sense

also its a herbi so it needs others aswell

[keen plover]

although even if you lowered herbi group limits, they'll all still herd since food is so abundant.

[hollow canyon]

...no it wouldn't, it really wouldn't, Tenonto with its tail attack would be absolute fodder in reality, that's not a good way of dispatching opponents in real life There's a reason why pretty much no animal ever did that.

[cedar agate]

bruh, everything should be able to solo to a degree, not to a big pack of course but just because its a herbi dosen't mean it cant chill in the forest alone or with a mate

[opaque beacon]

Oh yeah never mind, they can herd with other herbis too nvm then

but still 6-7 pachy

[cedar agate]

ye

[hollow canyon]

Why in the world should Stego pack up to 4?

Why does it need higher numbers than Carno?

[keen plover]

It packs upto 5 rn

[dusky surge]

if teno is getting 5, stego should get 3

[hollow canyon]

oh I know, that's even more insane

[cedar agate]

nooo

stego group of 5 is nice, family is nice

[opaque beacon]

shhh i was trying not to get bit by the stego players

[keen plover]

dynamic grouping

[cedar agate]

what?

[opaque beacon]

ok ok this my honest honest opinion on groupings

[cedar agate]

remove grouping jk lol

[keen plover]

Make stegos not count to the group size until they're at minimum 2T~ or something like that.

[hollow canyon]

I honestly don't know why Stego needs higher numbers than Deino

[opaque beacon]

Deino 2, Stego 3, Pachy 6, Teno 5, Utah 8, Carno 3 is perfect

Considering that Herbis can be in a herd I think its fair

[golden coral]

Need to limit utahs down to 6 as well.

[keen plover]

I want dynamic grouping to be apart of normal gameplay and not nesting

[cedar agate]

hmmmmm maybe...I feel like most ppl are adults that wants to join tho but cant say since nesting is so new and shi

[keen plover]

Like let me group with random stego until they're this size and then we can kick them out or whatever

[opaque beacon]

Stego will get fucked by allo soon await my friend

[cedar agate]

yeah but 5 stegos is fine, remmeber allos coming?

[keen plover]

no chance

[dusky surge]

lmao no

[keen plover]

Allo would get dunked on

[hollow canyon]

...I think you greatly overestimate Allo

[golden coral]

Yeah sure, three allos vs one stego sounds good.

[dusky surge]

you seem to very much underestimate stego or overestimate allo

[opaque beacon]

isnt that a thing?

[keen plover]

No, apart from nesting

[dusky surge]

One to the head, one to the body, no more allo

[cedar agate]

we dont know how op they will make allo but theres also acro and other nasty stuff

[golden coral]

Considering it should take about 3 allos vs 1 stego, and I doubt allos come in higher numbers than 5 or so.. xD

[keen plover]

Unless allo somehow magically stops stego from swinging every time it grapples, it loses

[cedar agate]

we dont know yet

[keen plover]

Would be busted balance wise if it could though

[cedar agate]

we just know stronger predators are coming

[opaque beacon]

Allo will have a speacial ability dont underestimate that

[dusky surge]

stego also has a special ability

it does over one thousand damage

[golden coral]

It doesn't. It just attacks.. :p

[dusky surge]

dont underestimate that

[slim dragon]

A special ability that allows one single allo to destroy a stego would be busted af

[cedar agate]

https://tenor.com/view/power-hayden-christensen-star-wars-revenge-of-the-sith-annakin-skywalker-gif-5266504

[slim dragon]

Unless Allo is a 5-hours growth too

[opaque beacon]

Yeah, we still have trike coming too, so stego dosent have to kill everything in the game lol

[cedar agate]

lmao

[keen plover]

even then, would be busted

[dusky surge]

?

[golden coral]

No, just the things it can't escape from, which kind of happens to be pretty much everything :p

Because stego slow

[slim dragon]

7 hours

[golden coral]

Trike would most likely be faster

[dusky surge]

stego is slow and deserves the power to compensate

[opaque beacon]

So nothing kills stego k

[cedar agate]

I mean realisticaly, allos should hunt sub stegos and sub stegos should fear the fk out of adult allos, even 1 could be danger

[slim dragon]

wait
Trike KOSing stego might be a horrible thing

[keen plover]

yes

[golden coral]

Rather, plenty of things can kill stego, more so that stego should be able to fight back and live, like most matchups, no?

[slim dragon]

Faster/able to attack headfirst/resistance to head damage/probably higher health

[golden coral]

Eyup, biome diets xD

[keen plover]

and they will. A 70% stego is currently 2.8T. Meaning allo would probs solo all stegos around that size and lower

[dusky surge]

Trike most likely outruns stego, yea. Ceratopsians will likely end up moving faster than most stegosaurs, especially since their defence is based at the front of their body

[cedar agate]

Its a big reward for a apex. Remember growing up shouldn't be easy ur rlly god damn easy target

[keen plover]

Nothing kills stego solo

Which is fair?

[slim dragon]

stego

[opaque beacon]

Well stego should be just like any other herbi, it has a chance to live but also a chance to die, it should obtain skill and not just power, stego right now is quite dry

[keen plover]

Like unless they get the ambush, but in a straight brawl *

[dusky surge]

remember, if an animal can't outrun it, it must be able to fight it off

[golden coral]

Rex, giga, other stegos, maybe other large herbis if they live in the same area.

[cedar agate]

trike could kill stego...we forget powerful herbs exist too...

[slim dragon]

Remember guys, a solo stego has a 100% winrate against another solo stego

[dusky surge]

this is true

it also has a 100% lose rate

[cedar agate]

world hunger problem solved

[dusky surge]

buff stego, it always loses against another stego

[golden coral]

Trike, shant, anky, at the least it'd be a fight for both sides in all of those cases most likely. Just like vs each other.

[cedar agate]

and sauropods lmao

[opaque beacon]

what lmao

[dusky surge]

all animals should have a chance to die, not just herbis

[keen plover]

Even then, stego should have the advantage against all carnis. Worded it wrong *

[cedar agate]

Powerful creatures have that chance when growing up just like irl.

[opaque beacon]

yes but right now stego is really easy to play with little skill

[keen plover]

Because the creatures it's around are tiny

[golden coral]

Well, advantage, more so just the ability to handle things, since everything should be viable and able to survive encounters.

[keen plover]

No skill needed when your only risk is a massive utah pack

[dusky surge]

and i fail to see the problem with this. It's a braindead animal irl, you can't artificially implement skill into an animal that, irl, was designed to be extremely simple in design

[golden coral]

Tiny and not designed to hunt it at that.

[opaque beacon]

Carno requires skill, so does utah, pachy, and teno but stego is just too easy due to no competition

[keen plover]

oh yeah

[cedar agate]

based

[golden coral]

... xD

[keen plover]

Yep. What happens when you add an apex class dino to a roster of relatively small creatures

[opaque beacon]

gameplay>realisim

[cedar agate]

A fully grown adult healthy animal should be the least targe to go for...younger ones or older or hurt ones should be targeted more...

[dusky surge]

what exactly CAN you do to make stego feel skilled? It's a dipshit idiot beast and any attempts to make it more skilled will make it feel worse

not every animal needs to get the brain turning

[golden coral]

See, this I agree with. I wish they would.. rework stego. It's just not a fun playable, or fun in combat. Same with deino. Both of them could use some more work and better mirror matches and all that.

[opaque beacon]

thats exactly why stego is not fun

[golden coral]

And it's not even a matter of power, but rather how the playable feels and work.

[dusky surge]

anky is more than likely going to be a stupid little beast that sees threat, hits threat, carries on. That's fine

[cedar agate]

gameplay: some ppl want big reward after growing something like apex, not saying they should become gods and destroy everything afterwards, like giga will be sauropods biggest fear if alone and if giga are in pack.

[dusky surge]

anyone who expects anything more from anky is expecting too much.

[opaque beacon]

Bro dont you want stego to be fun? @dusky surge

[slim dragon]

Anky deserves to be skilled
Dark souls parry ability
Juvies rolling down hills
It would be the funniest herbivore to play

[golden coral]

So, expecting a fun playable is too much? :p

[dusky surge]

juvi roll is incredible still

love juvi roll

[opaque beacon]

According to this guy 😆

[golden coral]

I mean, add the "lean into side to block bite", shoulder tackles maybe, hunkering down.. different reactions..

Instead of just "swing and move on"

[dusky surge]

what would you do to make stego "fun"? It's a big lumbering herbivore

[slim dragon]

Yes shoulder check-parry, like pachy's altbite
Negates damage and deals some back to the attacker

[opaque beacon]

This is just turning into legacy if thats what you want

[dusky surge]

what can you possibly do to make a big old bastard of a herbivore truly skilled and fun?

[cedar agate]

stegos life is eat, rest, shi*, migrate, make babies and just chill more.

[opaque beacon]

make it not fucking killing whatever it sees

[golden coral]

Shoulder checks, different kinds of swings, mobility add instead of just "stand in place and turn", and additional movement abilities. Basically, more stuff that makes the battle go "back and forth" a bit more.

[dusky surge]

some people enjoy chilled out animals

[cedar agate]

^

[golden coral]

Oh yeah, nothing wrong with chilling, stego should be chill, more so than a trike and so on. But that does not mean combat should be.. well, boring.

[cedar agate]

I love slow sauropods cause when u slow u get to be powerful reward. When u small u are fast af but low dmg. Different gameplay.

[opaque beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-depp-pirate-pirate-salute-salute-intergalactic-pirates-of-the-caribbean-gif-25016099

[dusky surge]

i dont, but some do. For example, kentro. Kentro will have its own defences be primarily unskilled. Something runs into it, gets hurt/killed, leaves. Kentro should start fighting only if an animal decides to be silly and take it on, in which case, it swings its tail, does some damage and keeps grooving.

[cedar agate]

I just think stego needs allo, acro, alberto and rex maybe to make it more thrilling to play.

[golden coral]

Or maybe it can also get more attacks, maybe it needs to time the turn for the defense, and so on...

[dusky surge]

stego could use an extra attack, like a walking/sprinting swing

[cedar agate]

carno is not meant to hunt em...at least adults

[dusky surge]

to get apexes off its ass

[cedar agate]

yeah

[dusky surge]

but making the jab "mechanically complex" doesn't sound right for an action that is inherently simplistic at its core

[opaque beacon]

You know what stego would use, Predators "IN-GAME"

[dusky surge]

adding more fluff to an action that otherwise is inherently simple does not make the action more fun, it makes it more frustrating

[opaque beacon]

Stego just needs a predator to make it more fun

[cedar agate]

I miss u being able to move and run while swinging the stego tail

[opaque beacon]

thats all

[dusky surge]

and you can't exactly give stego any "movement abilities" that would feel natural for the animal. The animal is not at all designed to be mobile, it's designed at its core to hold its ground. I can agree with an "ass-defence" swing that can be used in tandem with movement, but it shoulder-checking and having enhance movement feels wrong for an animal like this.

Now Kentro having a shoulder check with those big-ass death spikes? That is good

[dusky surge]

legacy swing was dog tho

stego doesn't even have a swing anymore, just a jab

[cedar agate]

risky.....but....if solo allo manages to avoid stego swing cause stego swing takes ages to finish its animation iirc and lands the bite on the head cause stegos head is small af, that would be kinda scary ngl

jab*

[opaque beacon]

The game is pretty balanced right now taking out the two apexes, its in a decent spot

[slim dragon]

Something around 600 damage I assume

[keen plover]

500-600n i could see allo doing on the head

[cedar agate]

From the sound of other ppl, dosen't seem correct but ye,,

[opaque beacon]

as much as a deino 💀

[keen plover]

deino does 1000n 🤔

[cedar agate]

isn't deinos bite supposed to be more powerful tho lol

oh nvm

[dusky surge]

deino does 1000 to the head lmao

[opaque beacon]

regular deino attack is 500 to the body

[dusky surge]

we were talking about headshots

[cedar agate]

cause body wide...dont get how they can land so much dmg on a wide stego, legs makes more sense tho

[opaque beacon]

still an allo headshot should not be as much of close to an apex idk

[dusky surge]

speaking of deino, give deino 750 damage by the time dilo comes out because this thing should be one-tapping dilo imho

[opaque beacon]

dilo is gonna be 750?

[slim dragon]

Uh
That's 50% bonus damage

[dusky surge]

dilo is going to be around 700kg

[keen plover]

why not? stego does have a 2x multiplier

[slim dragon]

Also deino could just... drown dilo like it does to everything else ?

[opaque beacon]

bro dilo looks scrawny asf

[dusky surge]

the concept of it surviving a deino bite pisses me the fuck off

[cedar agate]

still hate the bite air mehcnaic...would be nice if u lock ur bite on specific body part and let go when u let go of the keybinding or mouse

[dusky surge]

dilo is a big animal

[opaque beacon]

idk man

[dusky surge]

scrawny or not, it's LARGE

[slim dragon]

That would require an additionnal 6 years of coding

[opaque beacon]

but it would make sense since allo headshot should one tap utah

[keen plover]

I mean, that would imply allo has a base 250-300n bite. What's wrong with that?

[cedar agate]

WQ have it but yeah...we have a lot of playables

[opaque beacon]

275 should be good for alo

[cedar agate]

I hope allos latch or grab will work...I feel like thats its most powerful ability...imagine doing that to a maia or para and its game over to neck

[keen plover]

probs be over for a maia, doubt a para

[cedar agate]

idk how big our para will be considering irl para got upsized?

[opaque beacon]

I feel Utah v Allo is gonna be a damn good fight, with allo being slower than Utah, Utahraptors can pounce accordingly now but still risk getting 2 tapped XD its gonna be so funn

[cedar agate]

uh and maia got too I think.... lmao

[keen plover]

maia is like 2.8T

Allo is 2.8T

[dusky surge]

para is apex-sized, the only reason its not an apex is it doesnt really have the defensive capabilities to be one

[keen plover]

If an allo grabbed a maia, that's probs game over since the maia probs can't run

[cedar agate]

ye maia seems like perfect prey tbh

[opaque beacon]

4 Utahs v 1 allo, I think utahs have to play hella hella carefull but I tink they can do it

[cedar agate]

I mean..it got its massive size, tail and kick.

[keen plover]

oh yeah, 4 v 1 is probs over for the allo

[cedar agate]

yea

[slim dragon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/953033401252843561/trim.98AF022E-FB5B-4ECC-8C2E-A64454D87812.mov

[opaque beacon]

I cant wait dude

[cedar agate]

thus why utah pack limit should be 5 lol

[keen plover]

no

Allo can also pack

[cedar agate]

alright fair

[keen plover]

2 allos probs means utahs have no chance even with 8

[cedar agate]

ye but will THE ISLE get this size? lol

[slim dragon]

possibly

[opaque beacon]

bro utahs cant fight 2 allos im sorry to let you know xd, they other allo can bite utahs off the allo being pounced

Than its ggs

[keen plover]

yeah which is fine

[cedar agate]

or maybe elder idk

[opaque beacon]

Oh hell yeah its fine

utahs should only go for 1 allo not more than one xd

thats mission impossible

[cedar agate]

as long as utahs dont go over 8 limit

[keen plover]

It shouldn't

[opaque beacon]

yeah over 8 is kinda dumb

I would not mind 7 even

[keen plover]

imagine if allo can grapple utahs off instead of going for the bite 💀

[cedar agate]

but if allo got the enviroment to defend itself like rocks or trees it will be hard for utahs to even do a lone allo..I think

[opaque beacon]

I just wish they keep carno like how it is rn

[keen plover]

Definitely. That's with anything though

[opaque beacon]

like fucking grab it off of a pounce allo and fucking tear its mouth open yes gimme

i want that

[cedar agate]

carno should hunt maias too tbh as biggest prey, uh the legacy sized maia, else its prob gonna be subs.

cause upsizing goes brrrr

[keen plover]

Yeah probs be a tough fight, but doable in pairs

[opaque beacon]

pls im prayinf isle devs just keep carno like this... its so balanced rn.. just nerf utahs pounce recover a bit

[cedar agate]

might have to tweak with more playables but idk lol

[opaque beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-meme-black-guy-cries-sad-man-thank-god-for-my-reefer-hood-news-gif-24902056

leave my hopes and dreams alone

[hollow canyon]

There's... no way that's true. Are you talking about a full grown Carno? I just tested its starvation time and it's exactly 45 minutes from full hunger bar to the start of starvation where it begins to lose hp.

A day(24 hours) in the game is exactly 3600 seconds = 60 minutes. I've just tested that a moment ago too.

I genuinely don't see how you can go from full to empty in 2-3 days which would be 2-3 irl hours.

Unless you're proposing for the new hunger time to take that long in which case... I think that could be slightly too high?

2 days sounds reasonable tbh but 3 is pushing it a bit I feel but idk

[slim dragon]

Honestly the entire timescale of the game should be revised

[hollow canyon]

The issue with increasing the hunger times is that it allows for megapacking

[slim dragon]

Can't argue against growing from hatchling to full-adult in 2 days, cuz it would make for absurd growth times, but the fact that a dino dies of starvation in less than a day is kinda stupid

[slim dragon]

Hopefully with more and more playables megapacking will become less of an issue

[dusky surge]

you COULD make megapacking RESULT in higher hunger drain, but idk how good that'd feel

[slim dragon]

For me the question is "how much of a hardship should survival be ?" Currently if you're not trying to get food, you're doing nothing in the game, so increasing hunger times would make things straight-out easier and less interesting. But we end up with times that make no sense and are anti-fun. Since nesting gives one more thing to do, imo hunger times should have been increased accordingly, but... the opposite happened

[slim dragon]

I don't think having megapacks being forced to murder everything in sight is really a solution either
Honestly, if a megapack can sustain off one kill every 30 minutes, is its existence really a problem ?

[dusky surge]

i really do believe in carrots over sticks

when it comes to game design

punishing consistently for literally everything is pretty lame

[hollow canyon]

I suggested that quite some time ago but Idk how hard it would be to actually pull off

[dusky surge]

vomiting over camping corpses, giving mega/mixpacks weird debuffs, so on. All of these "fixes" kind of suck

[hollow canyon]

#general-feedback message

[frail bobcat]

A debuff system would just lead to abusage of it

[dusky surge]

exactly my point

[slim dragon]

I also think growth shouldn't be tied to diets as much, but once elders are in, life expectancy should

[hollow canyon]

^

literally that, growth has no business being tied to diets

[dusky surge]

i still dislike elders being an "option". Elders should always happen, the option should be on how healthy your elder phase is

[hollow canyon]

diets should determine how well you can do the things that are required of you to grow

[dusky surge]

better diets and specialised perks = longer and stronger elder phase

[slim dragon]

Like, you spawn with about 1 hour of life expectancy, every minute spent with 1 diet increases it by 30 seconds, with 2 diets it increases by 40 seconds and with 3 diets it increases by 55 seconds
So if you spend your whole life with full 3 nutrients you could live for a very long time, as opposed to dying as soon as you reach adulthood if you don't follow your diet at all

[dusky surge]

rather than just "do this very specific set of steps to be given the privilege of killing yourself of old age"

[dusky surge]

of course that's a large understatement because 1 hour very short but i get the idea

[slim dragon]

Well if you spend 1 hour without finding a single diet maybe it's better to jsut die and start over

[azure crescent]

@slender kettle because they’re herbivores??? and herbivores eat plants??? and the island is full of plants???

i have no idea how this is bias to you

[hollow canyon]

that's not how the world works

I think it should be pretty obvious how that is bias to him

[slender kettle]

I’m not suggesting we make the herbivores starve. I’m suggesting we go back to pre-update 5 hunger and ai.

[azure crescent]

i mean sure but it makes sense to have herbivores to be able to survive starvation

[dusky surge]

concept: Drought makes for dry, dead grass. Dry dead grass is ungrazable. Drought = danger for life

[keen plover]

The devs probs don't have a definitive plan yet. Remember, update 4 had food values that were smaller - carnos starved out on low pop servers. People hated how tough it was for solo carno to survive. Then they buffed it for update 4.5. Food was abundant, carnos were in food heaven. Then people complained that carnos were everywhere. They nerfed it again when people complained about the carno megapacks for update 5. The only reason carnis are having a tougher time is due to carnos and their mega packing tendency and AI being scuffed. I doubt they nerfed universal AI size due to utah 💀

[hollow canyon]

I don't think he's suggesting otherwise, you're either adding something to what he's saying or just not understanding the point he's trying to make

[azure crescent]

possibly i'm misunderstanding it

[azure crescent]

my take on this is having some herbivores be more "dedicated" grazers than others, and those can temporarily deplete the grass they eat

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/994356770132725810

[urban briar]

After update 5 I have not seen more than 2 maybe 3 carno in a single group. Whoever is megapacking carnos I haven't seen it but I've seen 15 utahs hunting in center together?

[hollow canyon]

yes, there's a few reasons for that

for starters - Utah during its "bad days" got buffed having a higher than normal hunger time

aside from that it's smaller therefore needs less food to sustain itself

it's also easier to grow since it basically just needs to eat one thing to get to full adult

then we get to the point that it's just better than Carno right now, being pretty much the best animal in the game in terms of PvP

aaand that's pretty much why you see so many Utahs compared to Carnos

[urban briar]

I starve as Utah more than anything though

They changed some stats and really nothing feels fixed. Utah is the most effective killer in evrima, herbivores generally smash carnivores unless they make mistakes. And we're CONSTANTLY looking for food. What even is this update.

[hollow canyon]

the result of the community feeling that herbivores were mistreated last update, it will probably change 180 degrees with the next one

that's just how it goes in this game

[keen plover]

Yep, constant swing

[hollow canyon]

it's the result of introducing multiple changes at once

if you have something that is presumably too good and something that is too weak

and then buff the weaker thing and nerf the stronger one you have a pretty good chance of reversing that state

[urban briar]

Sounds arbitrary

[keen plover]

Always happens. Yo-yo stats all the time

[slender kettle]

Right now, it’s just not fun for any dinosaur to be constantly looking for food. I don’t understand how people see that as fun. There should be other ways to eliminate mega picks without globally fucking up everyone’s fun.

[hollow canyon]

One of the big reasons is also that the community has little idea how the game actually works and in a way plays the game wrong due to being misinformed

[keen plover]

How much food does utah give a carno?

[hollow canyon]

An example of that was the belief that herbivores took much more effort on the previous update than carnivores did

[slender kettle]

Ate a sub one time and it only gave me less than 1/4 if I remember.

[hollow canyon]

in reality - they may have taken just a smidge more

[urban briar]

That's easy to be perceived when teno had to visit 3 out of the 4 corners of the map to fulfill its diet. So I could see that. Now carnivores have to visit 3 out of the 4 corners of the map to fill their diet. Makes sense

[hollow canyon]

herbivore diet which requires them to eat 3 plants to get perfect diet adds a really tiny, tiny amount of time to their growth

[keen plover]

geez? update had utah give you 25% food. So we're back to that? That's like 11 minutes of food. Nice downtime 😍

[slender kettle]

Not really. Sure, they have to go find the food in separate areas, but the food never moved and people can just google the locations.

[hollow canyon]

It still has to do that, Teno wasn't particularly harder to grow than Carno, the two took about as much time to grow to full adult and that's being generous

Tenonto realistically was taking me less time to grow to full adult than Carno did last patch

People just kind of... play herbivores wrong?

And then they think that growing them is harder than it really is

[urban briar]

And that's true as well I don't see how anyone could think herbivore gets the short end of the stick when herbivores have more stam, fixed food locations, and can graze. They have the easiest life. I can raise a pachy family on the beach just fine but let me try to raise some carno or Utah anywhere that's not center or southeast.

[keen plover]

Only reason they were harder is due to what you needed to do to acquire food

[hollow canyon]

Yea well if you were lucky with a carnivore and found the food at the exact times when you needed it I guess carnivores were easier

[slender kettle]

Thank you

[hollow canyon]

unless you get food whenever you need it though... yea nah, herbivores weren't harder at all

they both took about as much effort and actual movement around the map

with a carnivore you had to move a few times throughout your growth, for Carno iirc it was after spawning around 40%+ of growth and then again at around 70%+ and one more time when you were about to hit full adult

you had to move just for a bit but you had to move nevertheless

meanwhile with Tenonto you had to run across the whole map - once

right after spawning in

that's it, from that point onwards you were pretty much afk for the rest of your growth

[urban briar]

So they're looking at the early to mid game but seems they have entirely missed end game and what players are left with once full grown and have survived well past their adult timer.

[hollow canyon]

with an occasional move 2 steps one way or another just to drink or eat food next to which you were sitting

that's still how it works for Tenonto btw

I grew one 2 days ago, literally just an afk fest after making my way to the swamp

with Pachy I had to move once too - 73 minutes of growth time

perfect diet Utah is 68 minutes btw

[urban briar]

Teno is boring gameplay. Fill diets, chill in a field. Drink water all the time. Show up to center get mobbed by utah.

[hollow canyon]

I played Pachy poorly could've probably done that in 68 minutes too if I knew what I was doing

[urban briar]

And for the record it's much easier to get teno diets than it was before update 5. That part is okay at least

[hollow canyon]

5 minutes added for spawning in the wrong region, not knowing its diet and having to figure it out on the go

[hollow canyon]

is it?

Why? I found it exactly the same when I grew it 2 days ago

[keen plover]

you can get radish at center

[hollow canyon]

wait... really?

[urban briar]

It feels that way anyway. Doesn't feel like AS much running

[hollow canyon]

Goddamn it just... lol now

[keen plover]

yep, been bugged since the stress test

check in a test server

[hollow canyon]

oh, if that's a bug then it doesn't really matter tbh

cause it's not intentional

I don't count bugs when talking about balance because there are ways of... doing things in this game that just let you get away with a lot of things if you abuse bugs

[keen plover]

fair

[hollow canyon]

But why do you say that radish spawning in the centre is caused by a bug?

Perhaps it's intentional?

Have the devs clarified?

[urban briar]

Spawning in center is a bug or not spawning in center is a bug?

[hollow canyon]

spawning in center is a bug presumably

[urban briar]

Here I was thinking teno diet was improved lol

[keen plover]

Well, firstly it doesn't state in the character menu. Also, a few diets were broken in the ST. Some were fixed, but apparently not all. Although, no. I haven't got anything explicit from the devs on it.

[hollow canyon]

Hmmm... fair enough

I wouldn't assume it's a bug tbh unless the devs outright say it's not intentional

maybe they want it to spawn there, either way I will be testing Teno with the new spawn and route in that case

[keen plover]

I would avoid center anyway and go NW. Not a lot of players there in comparison to center

[hollow canyon]

Hmmm... that's weird, I've seen a lot of players in NW last I played the game, I will see how it works for myself if I can get on some official server

[keen plover]

Although... you could get diets just outside of SE spawn in the ST. Just had to move a bit more to center.

[hollow canyon]

but I guess I will have to settle for some community server

Damn Tenonto is easy to grow now

I will have to speedrun it at some point and see just how fast I can get one to full adult

but damn the radish spawns make it so ez

it actually has to move less than Carno now

and it has to only do that once

[keen plover]

yep

crazy good rn lmao

[urban briar]

Yeah I said the same thing til my 4 adult tenos wandered into center for raddish and a drink and 5 minutes later a whole swarm of Utah showed up lol 3 of us made it out

[hollow canyon]

I didn't go for radish in the centre just fyi

southern spawn -> get both potatoes and radish -> beeline the swamp and get mountain ash = ez profit with barely any effort

I think it might be possible to get all 3 nutrients before your starting perfect diet runs out

if you're lucky and good enough

[short spire]

I was saying what it should be

[hollow canyon]

fair, I think that's still a bit too high

I personally wouldn't be changing Carno's requirements

be it its hunger drain or how hard it is to grow

I'd just buff its combat potential

there's 0 reason why Tenonto should have the advantage over it in combat if it's so much easier and effortless to grow and maintain

[short spire]

They should have time to nest tho

[hollow canyon]

I don't think there's anything that should be saying a predator shouldn't be hunting while nesting

and besides that - they can nest after making a kill or a surplus of kills

[short spire]

True

[keen plover]

How would you go about this? Carno outright beat the teno in a brawl, ambush?

[hollow canyon]

hmmm buff its damage to 210 for starters?

[dusky surge]

the bite?

i'd honestly say 200 is a fine number for what it is

[hollow canyon]

Yea, makes hardly any difference to the other match ups

makes Teno drop in less bites

atm it takes 10 bites to kill one assuming just bodyhits

this would bring it down to 8

[keen plover]

So 8

[hollow canyon]

200 is alright too but that would bring it down just to 9 bites

buff its bleed resistance back to what it was too, I don't think that change was necessary in general

[keen plover]

Nerf the bleed value per bite?

[hollow canyon]

and that's it for now, I think I'd leave it like that and see where those changes take it

[dusky surge]

bleed damage change was pretty unnecessary

[hollow canyon]

oh yea but that's a separate thing, I'd halve Carno's bite bleed and remove Tenonto's kick bleed

[dusky surge]

i would nerf its bleed output tho

[hollow canyon]

The kick didn't use to have bleed on it

it was added just because the attack was outright terrible

and no one ever used it

since that's no longer the case - remove it

[azure crescent]

pretty sure it did in 4.5, it was just not as noticeable as now iirc

[hollow canyon]

neither Carno nor Teno should be bleeders

[keen plover]

4.5 bleed is the same as now

[hollow canyon]

of course it had it in 4.5, it was added to it before update 4 was released

I think 3.75 or something

[azure crescent]

i see

[hollow canyon]

don't recall exactly, it was in 2021 either way

but yea update 2 Tenonto didnt have bleed on its kick

[azure crescent]

i wouldn't mind teno's claw swip doing some good bleed

[hollow canyon]

yea that could get a higher bleed multiplier

e.g. x1.5

[keen plover]

Update 4 was still the tail slam meta * update 4.5 brought the bleed and damage changes

[thin mantle]

I don’t mind kick doing bleed, the logistics of the attack make more than enough sense for that, but the utilitarian in me would wanna see claw do more than kick

[azure crescent]

i want claw swipe to have more uses

it's such a cool attack, it deserves more

[hollow canyon]

those changes should probably bring Carno vs Teno more to where this match up should be with the current difficult of growth and maintenance of both animals

[dusky surge]

honestly, i've been thinking about it. Attacks should be seperated into three tiers, standard, crushing and cutting. Standard does standard shit, normal bleed and normal armour penetration. Crushing does additional armour penetration (for example a pachy's head could be considered an "armoured" area and thus crushing bites would do more damage against it) but lacks bleed damage. Cutting does additional bleed damage but utterly sucks against armoured areas.

For example:
Utah = cutting
Deino/carno = crushing

[hollow canyon]

it makes literally no sense why a herbivore(that is - an animal by default easier to maintain) which takes much less time to grow to full adult should have an advantage over a larger carnivore that is both harder to grow and maintain while also requiring significantly more time

[thin mantle]

I’d just go case by case instead of simplifying it down to categories

[azure crescent]

sounds good to me

what would a ptera's bite be

[dusky surge]

Standard honestly

[azure crescent]

standard?

alr

[dusky surge]

No bleed and no armour penetration so

[thin mantle]

Imagine if peck dealt bleed lol

[dusky surge]

its not really much of anything

(not that it's meant to be)

[azure crescent]

stego crushing bite when

[thin mantle]

Stego piercing bite when

[azure crescent]

both when

[dusky surge]

carno and deino doing bleed is kind of silly, but they absolutely should be getting through armour if need be

A crushing bite would help carno deal with prey items like minmi, young ankies, pachy and so on for example

And also fuck up some ceratopsians

[azure crescent]

thing is about teno's claw attack, it does pretty okay damage, just the fact that it only reaches as high as carno's knees usually means it deals less damage than it should

[azure crescent]

the biggest ceratopsian i can see carno reliably hunt is ava and even then it'll struggle

[thin mantle]

Or rather, less bleed, but regardless yes

[hollow canyon]

I don't think Carno should be going after armoured prey

[dusky surge]

i reckon if its small enough, fine by me

[hollow canyon]

I think it should perform badly vs things like Diablo, Kentro and what not, it should go after unarmoured fleshy small game like Tenonto

[thin mantle]

From a gameplay/niche pov I have no idea why Carno should have any form of armor piercing/negation

[azure crescent]

minmi is fair game for a carno

[thin mantle]

It is?

[azure crescent]

it's smaller than utah

[hollow canyon]

It really isn't, it will likely not even exist in the same environment

[thin mantle]

Like I’m sure it could kill it but…. Armor and water

[azure crescent]

i mean yeah but if a carno gets the opportunity i'd say it would go for it

[hollow canyon]

why? It likely won't even be on its diet

[azure crescent]

minmi will probably have atleast one diet plant outside water

[azure crescent]

diets won't be the same that they are now by then

[hollow canyon]

well... that's some optimism

[thin mantle]

Right, that’s why it has armor

[dusky surge]

its not optimism as much as it is directly confirmed

[azure crescent]

i mean true but minmi isnt coming before U6 so i can only hope haha

[azure crescent]

i just said that if a carno found a lone minmi it would make sense to go for it, regardless of how easy it is

actually i think minmi won't be too near very deep water

minmi would stick more to the mudbanks

[hollow canyon]

riiiight

[dusky surge]

it is tho?

[thin mantle]

Highly doubt that, it’s entire play style centers around submerging itself and living in beaver style burrows

[hollow canyon]

Unless the devs make a specific outline of how they intend the diets to work in the future I'm going to remain skeptical, I haven't heard anything about how they want to "rework" them when gore releases or whatever else

I will have to see something to believe it and the track record isn't exactly giving me much optimism

[azure crescent]

it burrows itself in the mud, eats plants in the water and also on land, it makes sense for it to inhabit in the middle of those two habitats

it can burrow in the mudbanks, flee from other aquatics, and flee from terrestrials there

[thin mantle]

Yeah and if Minmi is made so slow and defenseless that any threat larger than it can just stumble upon it and demolish it than it shouldn’t have diets any further inland than the shoreline

[azure crescent]

i didnt mean that a carno would demolish a minmi

[hollow canyon]

I don't really particularly care for Minmi, it's a cute little thing but a meme animal nevertheless

[azure crescent]

i just said it’d be possible

[short spire]

Iirc there was an idea that you could get multiple nutrients from one body by eating different parts/organs

[dusky surge]

i love minmi. Big fan of the little guys

[hollow canyon]

Either way - I don't think Carno should be going after armoured prey, be it minmi or anything else

[short spire]

I don’t think something is a meme animal just because it’s small

[thin mantle]

Well if it’s faster stronger and Minmi lacks relevant attack or defense mechanics outside of passive armor….

[azure crescent]

same, probably one of my fav semiaquatics

[dusky surge]

on one hand, i like the idea of that, on the other, i REALLY dislike the idea of "one hunt and I'm done"

[hollow canyon]

I've heard the community say that I've never seen a dev confirm that's what they're going for

[azure crescent]

it probably will have defensive abilities lol its an ankylosaur

[short spire]

I think 1 hunt should sustain you for a good while, like in real life

[thin mantle]

Besides it’s passive armor? Like what?

[short spire]

As long as it’s sizable prey

[hollow canyon]

yes absolutely, you should have to hunt one thing and then another thing right after that and leave the first body and then go after a third thing before the first body even managed to despawn

[azure crescent]

the same anky has basically, facing your armor towards enemies or just sitting down, although not to the extent of anky

[dusky surge]

i mean more like "i eat the turtle heart and gain all nutrients as a fucking adult carno"

[azure crescent]

it’ll also be faster than anky by a LOT so it also has that

[short spire]

I mean you might be able to get all the nutrients from a turtle heart but it won’t give you much of them

[dusky surge]

but then i just eat turtle

[thin mantle]

It….it will?

[dusky surge]

why engage?

[dusky surge]

we can see it fucking BOOK it in concept art

[short spire]

True, it should probably only apply with player corpses

[thin mantle]

In the context of Carno, a creature that can fit your entire torso in its mouth, not sure you can really face your armor towards it or hunker down. The fucker could prolly just pick you up and leave

[azure crescent]

i mean yes its like 20 times smaller and has proportionally longer legs

[hollow canyon]

Unpopular opinion: remove nutrients from carnivores, make AI give very little food to the point where you're not sustaining an adult carnivore with AI and then increase the food gained from player kills.

carnivores should have to hunt players

[dusky surge]

one thing i do want to see is animals have a certain tolerance for rot. Carno has a zero tolerance for anything that becomes gross and rotten by even a little bit, whereas cerato enjoys the most putrid of shit, and utah is somewhere in between

[hollow canyon]

player bodies should be worth contesting

[thin mantle]

Actually nowhere in the concept are does it run, just checked

[hollow canyon]

AI should be either non-existent or barely give anything

you either hunt and scavenge well or you starve

[azure crescent]

utah is like a coyote imo, can switch between solo hunter, pack hunter and scavenger to an extent

[dusky surge]

wouldnt gore diets literally encourage that? You want those good organs off a non-rotten corpse? Fight for it, otherwise you're getting sloppy seconds with no nutritional value

[hollow canyon]

no idea, the devs haven't outlined how gore diets are going to work and I don't care to speculate for how the community thinks they are going to work

[thin mantle]

Gore is one of those future mechanics that the community has sorta perpetually assumed into a corner, I don’t think I’ve seen gore described properly by a dev before

[dusky surge]

honestly, i might be fine with corpses giving all nutrients as long as
A: You mainly get them from scarce and highly contested organs (unless you're more of a scavenger like cerato or whatnot)
B: Rot can make the food near inedible, meaning you can't rely on one corpse to constantly provide (unless, again, you are the big man cerato)
C: AI is kind of separated from the main nutrients (giving sucho a designated fish nutrient, for example, you can't get the same organs and shit from boars)

[hallow quiver]

wdym?

[azure crescent]

2 tailslams only kill a utah if both are body shots, other wise it takes 3

[hexed sorrel]

but like.... why tailslam?

after a stun just kick lol

[elder steppe]

speaking of hunger at 36% growth, the hunger already depletes faster than the water, which makes no sense. Just played carno to check what the hunger bizz was about and holy hell does it go down fast as adult. Can't even nest because you starve too fast

[hallow quiver]

@dusky surge why you think this is a bad suggestion?

[dusky surge]

it punishes herbivores for the trait of being a herbivore, which i think is fucked

[elder steppe]

yeah it's really unfair too, it's like giving all herbis the carno treatment, but on a whole nother level

[hallow quiver]

Oh i get it

i dont thought on that way

[azure crescent]

i know lmao i was just correcting him

[hexed sorrel]

oh ok

[fringe surge]

Explain?

I think it’s fine, it encourages them to play the game more

[dusky surge]

only herbivores have it

if you're going to decrease it, decrease it for all

no reason carnivores shouldn't also "play the game more"

[hollow canyon]

Carnivores already have to "play the game more". That's not really a reason to decrease that for herbivores though

food just shouldn't be the thing that decides your growth, it's as simple as that, there's no fun in holding the "e" key for minutes on end all the time because the only gameplay loop is about eating stuff

the game just needs more stuff in it, something that would actually have people do stuff and engage the player, eating just doesn't do it

[mellow zenith]

in theory, nesting is one of the stuff but does it work in practice ? (Its a real question, i didn't tried to nest yet)

[hollow canyon]

I haven't touched it since the update came out I don't care for it and I really don't mean something like nesting

I mean something that would literally make you grow/grow faster

[hasty coyote]

Nesting is good for herbivores, since you won’t need to run everywhere at the start and you have a good herd.

Not so much for carnivores though, since you can already just eat basically anything and get perfect diet

[hollow canyon]

as it is it's just a timer until you get to full adult which is determined by things you eat, a horrible combination design-wise

[hasty coyote]

I think perks and stuff should make nesting better though

[obtuse ocean]

Didnt they mention that perk was supose to make your own playstyles etc? I saw concept of utah jumping on a tree, maybe you can unlock stuff like that

[alpine plover]

This was a while ago but, @hazy glen I believe they made it so getting pounced drains your stamina? I'd have to test it later but last I checked I believe it was set in stone

Plus, your stamina gain while bleeding gets uber reduced so even if it didnt, any stamina is crucial after getting pounced

[hollow canyon]

yes, pouncing drains your stamina so does bucking, either way you run out of stamina very quickly while fighting Utahs. Overall Utah is broken and needs nerfs, there's just a lot of people snorting large amounts of copium and trying to convince everyone else that somehow this animal is actually balanced right now

Pachy is just bad simply because of how badly Utah murders it while Pachy has very little argument of its own against it as you pointed out

[alpine plover]

Ok, yeah knew it was a thing. Yeah, utah is nuts right now. The fresh spawns bleed out full utahs. Its nasty

[hollow canyon]

Fresh spawns are just completely absurd, a Teno has to use up half its stamina to get rid off a pouncing fresh spawn Utah

[alpine plover]

People keep denying my claims to nerf utahs, stop inhaling your mf copium and play something else so you realize how bad it is

[alpine plover]

Absolutely

[alpine plover]

I have grown, 3 pachys. They have all died to a single pounce for a few seconds. Its god awful

[hollow canyon]

Yea atm it's just not really worth playing anything else and Utah mains in the fashion that's typical for them will try to convince everyone that this is somehow fair

[alpine plover]

I am the utah main is the worst part, it's just so easy now

I killed 6 stegos in 1 day, that's just absurd

[hollow canyon]

Bucking just needs major buffs, Utah itself might need some minor direct nerfs too

idk longer recovery after missing its pounce or maybe an increase of its hunger drain

which shouldn't have been buffed in the first place to be perfectly honest

[alpine plover]

I think it's just everything needs to be reconsidered. Pachy was meant to be the utah killer yet a utah with broken leg is still very fast and a broken body barely does anything to it

[hollow canyon]

The current state of the game is basically a result of all the buffs that Utah kept on receiving over the months when its pounce was broken

[alpine plover]

I feel like the recovery needs to go back now that pounce works, pachy ram is still slow why is pounce fast?

[hollow canyon]

Idk if I'd suggest to have that reversed completely but it should definitely be longer than it is now

[alpine plover]

Not entirely reversed but definitely a few frames slower. Utah pounce is such a heavy attack, it should have a risk to it

[hollow canyon]

Agreed

[alpine plover]

If a utah missed near you, theres no way to punish it. they get up before you can turn

[hollow canyon]

I'd say it's probably the second most potent ability after Deino's lunge

[alpine plover]

Very much so

A death sentence is what it is, no matter what dino

Deino is the only one unaffected since bleed res

[hollow canyon]

the animal definitely needs nerfs but I don't think it will receive them any time soon, it will likely remain this way for the upcoming months - for now, just play Utah it definitely will be getting a nerf though

[alpine plover]

Yeah

Hopefully update 5.5 fixes it

[azure crescent]

just realized spite has an alt account just to downvote suggestions lol

[mystic cedar]

Lmfaooo dude takes it a lil too serious

[opaque beacon]

my point is the only way to kill a stego is by pounce, and when a utah finishes pouncing and gets off the stego can still hit it

[azure crescent]

pretty sure that there's a cooldown after a utah dismounts that prevents the victim from attacking or bucking

[opaque beacon]

No there isnt for attacking

You get off and they can swing right after

[azure crescent]

sure but your average stego sucks at timing lol

[opaque beacon]

But there should not be a risk of death when you pounce something lol

[azure crescent]

getting that close to anything as big as stego has a risk of death

[opaque beacon]

It is very easy to time, and plus when a utah dislatches it freezes for a bit to switch into its ground animations and its very visible for the stego to just swing anf kill it

[stone oar]

I disagree cuz then pounce would be op like it would only take 2 Utah’s to kill a whole stego and the stegosaurus can’t do anything about it

[azure crescent]

^

[opaque beacon]

They swing the utah before it pounces

you can do that you know right?

[azure crescent]

yes, and it's fair

[opaque beacon]

You can swing it mid air as it is tryinf to pounce you

[stone oar]

So then theirs a risk and it’s fair

[azure crescent]

utah pounce needs some counterplay

[opaque beacon]

yeah who said it isnt, im giving him a way to fight if pounce worked on stego

[azure crescent]

pounce works pretty well now though

[opaque beacon]

yeah, not when you get off though thats fucked

Sure prevent the Utah from getting on you, but killing it when it gets off than thats just fucked

i dont even know why stego is on utahs diet since its a "apex herbi"

[azure crescent]

so they can just get far from a stego without risking anything at all???

it should take as much risk to leave a stego as much as it does to get near one

[opaque beacon]

yes tf, why did they make the utah jump further anyways

and the way pounce works rn, you literarly buck and then a second after the animation finishes you swing cuz thats when utah looses all its stam

[stone oar]

Hold on are you mr Utah from YouTube?

[opaque beacon]

That dosent matter

[stone oar]

I just wanted to say I love your videos

[opaque beacon]

I have seen tons and tons of Utahs pounce on stegos than just get off and get swung xd

[azure crescent]

yeah, those are a series of rare occasions compiled to make it look common

[opaque beacon]

Thats why they need to either fix the Utah pounce w steg or make stego lose some more stam when swinging so predators can wear the stego down to kill it

[opaque beacon]

Its not rare homie, I play Utah more than you, I see it every day

[azure crescent]

although i do agree stego is kind of busted and if the stego even is slightly smart it's gonna win any fight

[azure crescent]

wtf do you mean by that you dont even know my main???

[opaque beacon]

the onely time it works is when a bb utah pounces on bb steg, the steg vant reach it

[azure crescent]

sure the stego reaches the utah, but a utah can usually move away on time if it jumps off at literally any angle except the quick swing angle

emphasis on usually, because the times where it gets killed is still fair

unless its due to lag

[opaque beacon]

Which way do you jump when you get off?

[azure crescent]

i either go completely backwards or forwards, because for some reason if a stego swings completely behind it it takes longer than the side swing

[tall bronze]

Wherever you're looking

It's based on camera position

[azure crescent]

we know

[tall bronze]

[azure crescent]

he asked me my preferred direction of dismounting

[tall bronze]

A h

Ye think jumping off towards the Stego's face would be safer since it can't reach you as easily? 😮

[opaque beacon]

backwards or forwards meaning in front of the steg or behind it?

[azure crescent]

yes

stegos quick swing angle is really fucked

[opaque beacon]

Hmm maybe, Most of the Utahs I see die jump away from it

[azure crescent]

so swinging completely behind itself takes as long as swinging completely in front of itself

[opaque beacon]

K good, ill test that out later

[azure crescent]

atleast it was like that in 4.5

[opaque beacon]

😨

[tall bronze]

I think it's still that way, I tried it out the other night and watched as I s l o w l y readied my tail, jabbed, then slowly recovered....

[azure crescent]

i see

[opaque beacon]

well we shall see

[grave veldt]

the isle

[golden coral]

@opaque beaconWhen you actually have to properly aim and pounce the side, and not tail or head, then you can get a better dismount. But as long as you don't even have to get within range of a strike to pounce, there's no risk on mount and if there's no risk on dismount either, then you're just never going to die. Besides, stego would be the one animal capable of "sniping" a dismounting utah as it should, together with kentro maybe (since I doubt anky has the same reach). If you make dismount even better and safer, how do you imagine anything else, like a para or trike, or even rex, would catch utahs at all?

[strong solar]

utah should just fall off if they pounce something's head

[raw reef]

agreed

theres not being too realistic but making sense for the sake of being a videogame and theres actual nonsense like teleporting utah pounces lmao

[strong solar]

the only issue I see is adding a mechanic like that might mess up utah's pounce like how its been in every other update

[raw reef]

i was fighting like 20 utahs as a teno,he tried to pounce the near tip of my tail wichs something stupid so he should get punished for it,but nope,he just teleported to my side and my tailslam didnt hit it

[strong solar]

right now utah's pounce actually works so id like to keep it that way, but they are super strong rn

[strong solar]

yeah I dont find that hard to believe

utahs jumped at my face as a carno and the bite didnt register, instead it latched

[raw reef]

utahraptor rn is babies first survival game lmao

[strong solar]

perfect for the nesting update hah

[raw reef]

yup lmao

[azure crescent]

2 stupid deinos

cus 2 smart deinos can take down a stego

[opaque beacon]

@golden coral Utah takes the risk of being one tapped when getting on a stego, if they time it they can get the utah mid air, and plus Utah kills by its pounce its how it works, it shouldent cause it to die just like how pachy can use it speacial without dying, yes utah should suffer the consequences of attacking something that big but if its so bad that you can die most of the time, why is it on the diet?

I dont see any other playable using its special ability and knowing they have a possibility of dying when using it lmao

Theres a reason why they made utah jump further, its so it can escape stego when dislatching or instant punishment from a carno when getting off, if that is not working than they should fix it

@alpine plover Its 5 alt hits from a pachy to kill a Utah, please dont over exxagerate, Just land your two or 3 rams anf kill it

[hollow canyon]

Utah dies if it plays it badly, there are moments when Stego cannot attack you when you disengage from pouncing it and those are the moments when you should be doing that. There will always be some risk to hunting a Stego, you can also get hit during the pounce before you latch on - that's just the reality of it.

[opaque beacon]

I know you can get hit when you latch on thats completly fine, bit getting off is just not fair

It dosent matter if you have times when to get off, Utah should use its ability with no death punishment like any other playable

[hollow canyon]

Why is one fair and the other isn;t?

[hollow canyon]

It does, this risk is quite specific just to the Stego match up because Stego covers a large area around it with its attack

[opaque beacon]

Because you can latch on right after you bait a stego swing, thats how you latch on without punishment, getging off you cant do anything about it

[hollow canyon]

you also cannot use the special ability of Carno on it because it will quite literally kill you

[hollow canyon]

you can also disengage the pounce right after Stego swings and it won't hit you

[opaque beacon]

Why tf would you charge something bigger than you, thats your fault

[hollow canyon]

you can also disengage the pounce while Stego is bucking - it won't be able to swing at you then too

[opaque beacon]

If I cant pounce a kentro for example than i just WONT

[hollow canyon]

well you will be able to pounce it, it might just go very, very wrong for you

Stego is the same case

[opaque beacon]

Then you would get no bleed in cuz that would be considerd tap pounce which doesn non

[hollow canyon]

it's an animal that can cover its flanks with its attack and it might land a hit on you every now and then when you stop pouncing it or when you start pouncing it

[opaque beacon]

DUDE carno cant charge stego, its bigger than it, you will charge and then fie

[hollow canyon]

That would only be the case if you started pouncing Stego right as it started bucking and disengaged it straight away

[opaque beacon]

die*

[opaque beacon]

Stego players buck when you get on them fyi

[hollow canyon]

wdym? It can charge Stego, it will still deal damage to it it will just... well get stunned and likely die to it

[hollow canyon]

yes, you're very perceptive I see

that means you're already on them and you will have applied some bleed btw

[opaque beacon]

The devs made it so utah can pounce stego, so it should be safe to get in and OUT, just like how fucking deino can lunge a sub stego and bring it im water safely with no punishment

[hollow canyon]

that's also the moment when you can disengage your pounce freely without getting hit

[hollow canyon]

yes they also made it that Carno can charge a Stego and Deino can lunge a Stego, I don't see your point

[opaque beacon]

The more you pounce the more bleed, what your saying is not a solution

[hollow canyon]

oh boohoo, it's on you if you want to be greedy and apply more bleed, if you die because of that - tough luck

[opaque beacon]

the point IS that when a deino lunges a stego, it dosent die therefore using the ability with no punishment

when I CAN pounce a stego, i should use the ability SAFELY just like DEINO

[opaque beacon]

Oh yeah, such a great solution

[hollow canyon]

Neither does Utah btw

[hollow canyon]

no you shouldn't

[opaque beacon]

You dont get it

[hollow canyon]

I do get it

[opaque beacon]

No you dont, cause if pachy could die breaking a Carno you would be crying right now

[hollow canyon]

you're just having an issue with the fact that there's risk to pouncing a Stego

[hollow canyon]

No, I wouldn't

[opaque beacon]

right

[opaque beacon]

Which there shouldent

This is why stego is trash right now

it has no competion, dry asf with nothing to kill it

why cause its broken and out of its league

[hollow canyon]

Yea, you have no idea just how wrong you are with regard to that

[hollow canyon]

Utahs kill Stegos just fine right now

[opaque beacon]

Yeah right

I wonder why theres 15 fucking stegos wherever I go

[hollow canyon]

I also wonder why there's 20 Utahs wherever I go... oh wait

[opaque beacon]

Oh wait what?

[hollow canyon]

Utah is broken and needs a nerf

[opaque beacon]

Everything 3 shots utah max

[hollow canyon]

obviously

[opaque beacon]

Ok bud

[hollow canyon]

but I guess there's one(technically 2) animal that Utah doesn't get to roll over without using at least one brain lobe so there need to be some changes to that

[opaque beacon]

Bro died to a pack of Utahs as a carno and wants to nerf utah

your trolling 😂😂

[hollow canyon]

Oh no, no, no, Utah is just broken right now, I haven't died to Utah as a Carno because well... why would I bother growing a Carno if I can just play Utah right now?

[opaque beacon]

Play utah for 3 days, lmk if you survive!! Have fun!

[hollow canyon]

I... literally do?

I barely play other animals since update 5 rolled out

[opaque beacon]

Ok, no wonder

[hollow canyon]

I think this conversation is pretty much over at this point, you would like your Utahraptor to have an easier time killing a Stego, I would like it to get nerfed - which, no worries it will get nerfed.

We aren't convincing one another clearly

[opaque beacon]

[hollow canyon]

I can tell you a bit more - the devs were actually told about the fact that Stego can hit Utah mid-air

Do you want to know what Filipe said to that?

[opaque beacon]

Oh no buddy, your not convincing me your cracking me up xdd

[strong solar]

yoooooo

[hollow canyon]

No worries, I never really assumed I could convince you

[dusky surge]

Utah has always been broken OP, it’s just it’s been too bugged to tell

[hollow canyon]

your name... kind of says it all i would say, I mean let's be real

[flint jacinth]

What makes you think Utah is broken?

[opaque beacon]

Im ok with utah being hit midair when latching on but getting off is not ok lol are you even listining

[flint jacinth]

Genuine question

[hollow canyon]

the fact that it drains its target's stamina on pounce, the fact that bucking costs stamina, the fact that Utahraptor is one of the easiest animals to grow in the game

[strong solar]

I think utah needs a few adjustments because rn if they miss a pounce they barely get punished for it

[hollow canyon]

should I really continue?

[opaque beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/seriously-gif-23861497

[hollow canyon]

Yes, they need... ermm "a few adjustments" that's one way to put it

[strong solar]

overnerfing or overbuffing a dinosaur isnt the best option, they need to be balanced. Like how this update overtuned utah

[opaque beacon]

Oh yeah guys lets make Utah have 2 bite force and make sure it DOSENT do what its good at doing aka bleef out its victims

[dusky surge]

3x bleed damage with pounce, complete invincibility to pounce target, crazy good speed/stam/agility, now an insane pounce recovery.

[flint jacinth]

Utah’s stamina drains way faster I think when it’s pouncing a bucking animal, it’s just a Utah it shouldn’t be that hard to grow

[opaque beacon]

Hes ignoring the fact that carno 3 shots utah, teno 3 shots, stego one taps lmaoo

[flint jacinth]

It’s not completely invincible tho… I can still get hit while on someone

[dusky surge]

Which is meaningless when you can dodge well (which Utah excels at)

[hollow canyon]

Oh no, it isn't the best option for sure, the issue with utahraptor specifically is that its main ability was simply broken for the past... 11 months or so. During this time the devs kept on buffing the most random things about it to make it better, instead of fixing its pounce. Now they have fixed its pounce and see the effects of the continuous buffs that this animal was receiving this whole time.

[hollow canyon]

Teno 2 shots it

[opaque beacon]

Thats a fucking skill problem buddy, if you are ass at catching utahs thats your fault

[strong solar]

also I dont think you're convincing somebody named "mr utah" that its a good idea to nerf utah

[strong solar]

yeah I actually agree with this

when pounce finally works now they need to take a few steps back and thats annoying sheesh

time to wait for the next update to release

[opaque beacon]

its been nerfed half evrima and yall still crying lmao

[flint jacinth]

You guys must have been fighting the god of Utah players, cuz if this was real I would have no problem killing things as one

[strong solar]

huh

[opaque beacon]

bro i fucked a pack of 5 utahs as a carno a week ago

idk wtf is so op about utah lmaoo

[opaque beacon]

do we talk about it?

[strong solar]

you can go on if you wont lol I wont stop you

just putting my points here

[hollow canyon]

yis, all those nerfs like... giving the pounce a stamina drain or increasing Utah's hunger time or making bucking cost stamina. Poor Utah just couldn't get enough of those "nerfs", poor little animal.

[opaque beacon]

Can I ask both of you a quick question, when did you start playing evrima fully

[flint jacinth]

So shaking off 450 kilos of weight shouldn’t make you tired?

[dusky surge]

I’m not the one hunting the utah, I’m the one playing it, and it’s always been insane at the action of not getting hit.

[strong solar]

ive had the isle since 2015 but that information shouldnt even be relevant

I can see with my own two eyes

[opaque beacon]

no totally not but a you should definantly be able to swing a 4 ton tail 22 times 😂😂😂

[hollow canyon]

19th June 2020 iirc so the day after it released, why are you asking?

[strong solar]

lmao im scrolling up and yall... have been arguing for a while lets put it that way

[opaque beacon]

Ok cool

[hollow canyon]

Yes, a "4 ton tail" I wonder which animal you are talking right now... Camarasaurus that isn't yet in the game?

[opaque beacon]

No maybe the big ass stego we have ingame idk

maybe im talking about troodon

[flint jacinth]

I just got here, I’m just curious honestly

[hollow canyon]

idk maybe, it wouldn't surprise me considering that you're wrong either way cause no animal in the current Evrima has a tail weighing 4t, unless you think that Stego's tail weighs 2/3rd of the entire animal.

[flint jacinth]

I think he was exaggerating

[strong solar]

why everytime I come in here somebody has to pull out the paleo accurate data as if anything in the isle is realistic

its like the last resort argument

[grave veldt]

interesting convo here

[opaque beacon]

Maybe idk, these guys need more communication skills

[flint jacinth]

Lmao

[strong solar]

yooo they should put feathers on utah

😂

[flint jacinth]

I’d be down for that

[opaque beacon]

Utah should just go and hunt compys and baby dryos according to your nerfs

[strong solar]

actually yeah me too

[opaque beacon]

hot af

[flint jacinth]

I like the jp raptor so I’m fine with the current one but feathers would be dope

[strong solar]

I wish this game wasnt full of jp ripoffs though

[hollow canyon]

I think he's wrong either way and should try to swing his arm 22 times and see if he's close to dying of exhaustion after doing that because I think it's just as likely as Stego running out of steam after swinging its tail that many times.

[opaque beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-world-jurassic-world-dominion-raptor-raptors-jurassic-park-gif-24842535

[hollow canyon]

On a serious note though - one of the devs was literally asked about it before