general-feedback-discussion

[barren zephyr]

Interwsting then, yeah hell no. Should never have to grow that by force

[outer sphinx]

i dont see how a juvi hypsi could climb

[barren zephyr]

You could kill it by sneezing on it

You look at it too hard and it folds

[jagged jewel]

it's planned

[simple wagon]

So:

Juvie utah being able to climb is a good thing. It gives more opportunities for the little critter to do things. It can raid Ptera nests, it can use it as a safe place from more dinos or even ambush from above other small herbivores. With reaching adulthood though an utah will have a lot harder time in climbing, therefore losing its ability, we do it this way because the adult version will become more overtuned and op. Well logically an animal that weights over 250 kg up to 500kg will have a harder time or not being able to climb at all.

Therefore this is why I believe that juvie utahs should have climbing ability and overall will give more refreshing gameplay with more strategic options in its survival.

This is a feedback, or at least one that I constructed while typing.
"Utah being able to climb because its fun" - isn't an enough of a explanation to make people consider if this idea is good or not.
This goes for every sentence you made. This is why people were confused.

[limber hull]

thats funny tho, i'd be fine with that

[outer sphinx]

for juvi? ik its planned for hypsi but i dont see how a juvi hypsi is phisically able to climb

[barren zephyr]

The issue is if you have to grow a hypsi for 30 minutes (with perfect diet mind you) every single time you get hit by anything bigger than a flea, that's just bad design

[jagged jewel]

I just said "juvie utah should climb" because you can make your own use of it, with any of the choices you used.
It's a game of survival, you can do whatever the hell you want as long as you survive.
It's not just "You can climb, do this and do that."
It's "You can climb now, do whatever."

[limber hull]

that's why i'd want it to climb first

[barren zephyr]

Turns something silly into a chore

[limber hull]

it can climb away from danger

frankly, i dislike the idea of anyone not having growth

[barren zephyr]

Doesnt really need it

Hypsi is small and agile enough to dance around death

Besides, if it climbed it would become a sitting duck for herras

[ebon locust]

guess my juvi battle arena was a bad idea? Need to make juvi play more engaging so i present to you. Juvi battle arena! It will be a cave with small entrances (need more than 1 to help mitigate camping) You will need to put in a prompt for each dino “you have 5 minutes to exit the cave.” If they stay past the 5 mins they are stuck unable to move. Put several of them around the map like nesting grounds. No herbi food in there or ai. So everyone will need to get their nutrition before going in (or not for carnivores, could be a place of nutrition). In the end, most people play this game for pvp. But we all feel like we need to just sit in a bush till we are adult because something bigger will come along. Why not both? We still need to venture out for food (herbi) and water. Right now with nutrition it is more or less making it a running and sneaking game only. If you add anything else that makes us run to another location for “x” thing, it is just the same exact thing. Need something different to entertain us while growing. Obviously you dont have to do this. It is optional. Just something for people to pass the time instead of just hiding.

[limber hull]

you have posted this so many times

[barren zephyr]

Who's gonna tell em this ain't fortnite

[ebon locust]

i accidentally put it in balance feedback so i moved it to general sorry. it was more of a general comment not a balance one.

[barren zephyr]

@teal jolt #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧

[limber hull]

also, turning the Isle juvi into a PvP fest is the last thing I'd want with the experience

[ebon locust]

fair enough. just wish there was something to do while growing and made a suggestion

[simple wagon]

Bruh okay. I just gave an example of a feedback that explores a mechanic and made different possibilities for why it's useful.

If you want to go with just - Utah climb is fun, therefore I want it. Then just don't go asking why people are confused.

[ebon locust]

you dont have to do it? what do you normally do as a juvi?

[barren zephyr]

There is; play fight siblings, test stuff, mess around. Theres a lot to do you just have to look for it

[outer sphinx]

bc it would be smth to do doesnt make it the best thing that should be done for the game, having a fight club doesnt fit The Isle

[jagged jewel]

That's not even the only reasoned i mentioned when discussing this with you. I literally said that it also aids in survival, in whatever way you want. I didn't just say "add this cuz fun". No, I said it with the intention of juvie gameplay being easier/more viable in terms of survival AND being more fun.

[ebon locust]

what would fit the isle that would be engaging? any ideas?

[barren zephyr]

Nothing really, juvies are just there

[outer sphinx]

for juvies allowing them to not be walking meatsacks for one

[jagged jewel]

My suggestion doesn't even MENTION fun, so i don't know where you're getting that.

[barren zephyr]

What I usually do is mess around with packmates

Makes time fly

[simple wagon]

okay just replace fun with this:
(it doesn't make any difference, my point still stands that you didn't elaborate more on your suggestion)

[ebon locust]

how do you do that though. wouldnt you need to create someplace like i said. which would essentially turn into a battle arena lol

[outer sphinx]

He never mentiuoned fun in the first place

[outer sphinx]

not beeing a walking meatsack doesnt mean now we need to create a fight club somewhere on the map

[barren zephyr]

Not everything is pvp

[outer sphinx]

giving Juvies more options to hide, rest in safety, more varied gameplay from adults

[barren zephyr]

^

[outer sphinx]

like bugs for them to eat, dif mechanics from adults

[jagged jewel]

And is it not true???? Juvies DO deserve better gameplay lmao

[solemn crypt]

Fight club is just sandbox isn’t it?

[outer sphinx]

yes

[barren zephyr]

Juvies as of now are basically just the "afk phase"

[outer sphinx]

afk phase hoping you are alone with nothing near you in a 6km range

[jagged jewel]

There, I elaborated more by adding a few words that literally do not change the meaning of my sentence.

[barren zephyr]

Or well, that was in update 4 before you were the size of a walnut 3/4 of your life

[solemn crypt]

The diet system tried to make juvie gameplay better but not much. It’s still better imo thou

[jagged jewel]

I still don't understand how saying this and following it up with the ideas i mentioned is confusing.

[barren zephyr]

I like the diet system

[outer sphinx]

its better than nothing but still not good

[barren zephyr]

Gives you something to do, just needs a rework so it's reasonable to get for every dino

Not a 8 ton stego having to eat 2 plants the size of a ping pong ball

[ebon locust]

creating a safe place would turn into a fight club.

[barren zephyr]

Nobody said anything about a safe space

[solemn crypt]

After you fill all your nutrients you just afk. And when you fully grow the diet is irritating

[outer sphinx]

a safe space doesnt suggest a large arena...

[simple wagon]

I literally am telling you that your suggestion construction is shit. This is why ppl are confused... i fucking cant lmao

[barren zephyr]

A safe space would be nesting grounds if anything

[outer sphinx]

having a small cave, a rock overhang just small anough for juvies would not be an arena

these are safe spaces

[ebon locust]

hmmm maybe i ment what you guys are saying, i just guess i could see juvis pvping it out in the small places.

[outer sphinx]

just wait for sandbox if you want pvp

[ebon locust]

when you grow to an adult do you not want to fight things?

[jagged jewel]

Alright, I will elaborate more in future suggestions. Nobody else is confused other than you btw

[ebon locust]

why grow to adult? (purely curious this is not an negative comment)

[outer sphinx]

juvies... and base evrima dont fit Figh Club

[jagged jewel]

to survive?

[quick relic]

wait what? You are not suposed to spawn as Juvie? so why even bother spawning as one, if you cant grow it, like every other dino

[outer sphinx]

well rn adult gameplay has nothing to do, nesting is a thing but that in a need of a lot of tweaking, so fighting is usually only thing you can do

[jagged jewel]

nesting

[quick relic]

wow

[solemn crypt]

I think as hypsi you just nest

[quick relic]

crap

[jagged jewel]

ye not much else to do

[solemn crypt]

That’s the fun

[quick relic]

unfair for all other dinos

[outer sphinx]

why nest? to see a jurassic chicken duh

[outer sphinx]

Hypsi also doesnt affect the life and gameplay of any other dino

[jagged jewel]

how exactly is that true

[limber hull]

tbf the hypsi nest is really sick

[outer sphinx]

you're essentially a fly for this games standards

spawning as a fully grown fly isnt really unfair

[jagged jewel]

it's the best one along with deino nest imo

[outer sphinx]

now only if we could see it in a tree

[quick relic]

You dont have to freaking grow it, every other Dino u need to grow and survive but hypsi is just adult and can run around the whole map

[jagged jewel]

and how is it unfair for the other dinos that they have free food in the form of an adult hypsi?

[outer sphinx]

you're seriously comparing a full grown Hypsi to stuff like full grown Deinos, Stegos, Utahs etc?

[barren zephyr]

It is NOT unfair. Hypsilophodon dies from one bite to any thing bigger than a cat. This creature is a huge meme and only meant for fun as it is NOT doing anything meaningful

[limber hull]

Yes please

[ebon locust]

so is that not considered the core mechanic of the game to fight and survive

[quick relic]

oh god f** it, im done with this bullshit here, i know why i hate discussions like that

[solemn crypt]

So, when you grow every other Dino you just jump the cliff and start all over again? Didn’t get your point

[jagged jewel]

ok lol

[barren zephyr]

It's just hard to believe you're comparing a 20kg hypsi to a dinosaur

[jagged jewel]

every single juvie dino beats hypsi in a fight

and it's unfair for them somehow

[outer sphinx]

the game strives for survival, that includes fighting but also nesting, growing to your elders and maybe even beyond

[quick relic]

yeah its enough now

[limber hull]

i still think hypsi should grow once we get a more diverse extra small roster and climbing hypsi

[barren zephyr]

Hypsis literally only exist to be a meme

[outer sphinx]

that depends on how the small roster will work when we have more dinos in genera;

[ebon locust]

that makes sense.

[limber hull]

not true, they are supposed to be animals as much as everything else

[outer sphinx]

anything that is not finished is essentially a meme

at this point

[quick relic]

right

[barren zephyr]

Yeah, but it doesnt scale up to anything besides maybe hatchlings. If you play hypsi you're not going to be doing much of anything other than minding your business or trolling around

Theres nothing else to do with it

[outer sphinx]

wait untill Herrera comes out

[limber hull]

it's not even the smallest planned playable animal

[barren zephyr]

Doesnt add anything to hypsi playstyle, just makes it run from more things

[outer sphinx]

it makes Hypsi think when climbing

[barren zephyr]

And the smaller ones shouldn't have to grow either

[jagged jewel]

are you sure? oro is bigger iirc

[barren zephyr]

Unless they have a sure way to get away

[jagged jewel]

nvm oro is smaller

[limber hull]

even if it's short, i'd still LIKE everything to grow

[outer sphinx]

Hypsi is supposed to spit at Herra to knock it out the trees

[barren zephyr]

Well yeah but you should really be thinking about anything you do as hypsi, one wrong look and you die

[simple wagon]

ye it seems others dislike it
although utah climb was softly confirmed
and teno dive is an old fan fav suggestion
carno jump - eeh, why not
stego gallop though I don't know, need to check overall how it will impact the juvie balance
dryo fall taking less damage is okay
deino being able to climb, idk about that, i believe that deino growth is easy, so making it easier not cool for me

Look I am not trying to diss you or something. But a better constructed suggestion, will overall give you better interpretation of it. You need to specify what you see in it, because in the end what I saw is just easier ways to grow. Others may see them as useless. Others may see what actually is useful in it. In the end you want to present it others, to make them think of the different possibilities that presented mechanics will give them in their gameplay.
I know people who made entire 10 pages docs on why tenonto should be able to dive (although it's kinda extreme). Writing a bit more isn't to make it flashy, but to make people see different povs and like it more overall.

[barren zephyr]

Fair enough, I just feel people would stop playing it overall and itd feel just like dryo

Non existant

[limber hull]

dryo kinda has absolutely nothing going for it atm. Not even burrowing or a proper niche. No wonder no one plays it

[solemn crypt]

There are more hypsies than dryos

[barren zephyr]

I challenge you to spit at something more than 3 meters away from you as hypsi

😭

[barren zephyr]

I've seen like 10 all year

[jagged jewel]

Agree with all your points. I do think deino gameplay is easy when growing as of now, but when more semi aquatics are out i figure that the climbing would be more useful. I appreciate your feedback, and will take it into account in the future

[barren zephyr]

Rarer than a unicorn at this point

[barren zephyr]

Because both die in around the same amount of bites and cant defend themselves, difference is you have to grow dryo

[jagged jewel]

dryo 1 shots hypsi now

[barren zephyr]

Anything 1 shots hypsi

If its bigger than 5 inches the hypsi just dies

[jagged jewel]

im not even joking everything that isnt a baby carno or utah 1 shots hypsi

[barren zephyr]

Yeah

[outer sphinx]

by that point spit should def be changed to work like a sg more

[barren zephyr]

Its awful, hypsi just has to run and be in solitude

Unless it sticks to herbis but then they just kill you

[sacred minnow]

what is wrong with growth now it seems we start really grow above 90-95% ?

[late hill]

how do you make a nest?

[barren crater]

Press N

[late hill]

it doesnt work

[late hill]

we have paired and stuff but it doesnt work

the allo would have been more fun

[barren crater]

You'll need to find a spot where it does work. A lot of trial and error to find it.

[uneven mist]

You need a partner the opposite sex and both needs to court, once that’s done then you can place the nest, hold n to court btw

[gritty terrace]

oh shit this is feedback discussion 💀

[uneven mist]

Hell no

[gritty terrace]

we need more medium sized stuff before allo cuz allo is a larger medium tier

but I do agree with eventally making allo the largest carnivore for a bit, just not anytime soon

[barren crater]

You'd need to fill out all the pseudo mid spots and add maia with allo

[uneven mist]

Yeah we need more smals and smal mid tiers before we move to allo sized animals

[barren crater]

like diablo, kentro, cera and maia are needed first.

[late hill]

that is done but the making nest doesent work

[uneven mist]

Don’t forget magy, Herrera, beipi and so on

[gritty terrace]

well theres trrodon and herrera coming out eventually carnivore wise and beip and galli herbivore/omnivore wise for small, I just think we need something between stego and tenno, I personally think dibble would be perfect

[outer sphinx]

and styraco

[gritty terrace]

this

[uneven mist]

Dibble, kentro and magy would be perfect for that size range

[gritty terrace]

cuz maia is not as big as people think, its a smaller mid sized herbi

[barren crater]

maia is allo sized

[gritty terrace]

ugh maggy, still hate the fact they are adding it

[outer sphinx]

thank god maia wont be faster than utah anymore

[uneven mist]

Maia is a lot bigger than you think

[uneven mist]

First of *magy, second why u hate it

[gritty terrace]

to be fair idk how the isle is doing it Im basing it off of how it is irl

[barren crater]

That's what you think

[outer sphinx]

we know teno is the fastest quadruped

[barren crater]

maia is bipedal

[outer sphinx]

maia is both

[gritty terrace]

its literally a problematic taxa thats an island dwarf, and they are slapping it with a bunch of shit bigger than it

and they have to do such weird balancing like making it poisonous to make it viable

[barren crater]

but the run was bipedal in legacy

[outer sphinx]

they are also making it a jungle dweler so it may have a lot more to do, also we dont even know how its gonna work

[outer sphinx]

Maia was running shit in legacy on 4 legs

afaik

[barren crater]

No, it was bipedal

[gritty terrace]

wasn't it like shant? where run was one and walk was the other

[uneven mist]

Make it unique and be able to defend itself from things it’s size and bigger. It would also use the jungle to its advantage like idk…MOST animals do

[barren crater]

Only maias walk was quadrupedal. The run and trot was bipedal

[outer sphinx]

Jungles in general should slow down dinos not suited for them for that are not small enough

[gritty terrace]

yeah but they have done an actually cool taxa like amargasaurus or nigersaurus

[uneven mist]

Kisses have stated that amarga was too big for what they wanted

[barren crater]

Also amarga is how large?

[uneven mist]

4 tons

[outer sphinx]

i think like 2... oh nvm...

[gritty terrace]

with it being around 30 feet thats fair

[barren crater]

Acro food lol. That shit would be picked off and be way slower than magy

[uneven mist]

Funny enought magys largest estimate is 4 tons

[gritty terrace]

idk if you are gonna do something that small don't make it a sauropod personally

[barren crater]

Magy can be made decently fast with high stam

[uneven mist]

CC powerhouse with lots of stam

[outer sphinx]

god i hope magy will be good in jungles bc im legacy obligated to play it

[barren crater]

also give it stuns?

[uneven mist]

CC powerhouse

[visual dust]

Idk about how it’ll play in game but cmon you gotta admit magy looks cool

[gritty terrace]

it's one of the worse designs

[outer sphinx]

on what criteria?

[visual dust]

It looks awesome imo

[outer sphinx]

bc ofc if you want everything to be accurate its garbage

[visual dust]

Tiny little armor longneck boy

[gritty terrace]

and its also irritating because Im pretty sure they purposefully made cerato the slow tanky one so it has a harder time catching maggy

[uneven mist]

From the consept it wil be able to knock down things but I hope it also gets a stomp so it could kill things it’s size or bigger like a carno and smal allo

[modest goblet]

How do you join a nest? Whenever I'm on The nest menu in any server nothing shows up. Do you require an invite, and/ a code?

[outer sphinx]

unlikely it will meet carnos when they dont share biomes

[visual dust]

Cerato being slow and tanky just makes sense when it’s rival is the agile and fragile carno

[uneven mist]

I se magy be slower than cera so that means that magy wil be pretty good defend itself from a cera

[outer sphinx]

fragile...

[visual dust]

Yeah carno is relatively fragile

Maybe not compared to what we have rn

[barren crater]

Magy should not be killing a carno with a stomp. It's way smaller than it

[outer sphinx]

it has more health, unless you mean it has more wekspots

[outer sphinx]

maggy is equal or larger than carno iirc

[visual dust]

Wait carno has more health than cerato???

[uneven mist]

Of course but when they do meet I would want magy to be pretty good at defending itself atleast if it’s in the jungle but if it’s in the plains then magy is at an dissatvantage

[outer sphinx]

carno has 1.8k cera max 1.3

[visual dust]

Bruhh

[outer sphinx]

cera isnt large

its swift

[barren crater]

I mean, they want magy and cera to have a chance against each other, so we'll be getting a smaller magy

[uneven mist]

Depends what weight they give magy if it’s 1650-1700 then the stomp would be devestating

[outer sphinx]

maggy still gonna be at least tenos weight

[gritty terrace]

magy design wise idk, they could have done a million things because of how fragmentary it is and this just ain't it chief, everything where the isle has taken creative liberties is strange and questionable

[uneven mist]

I hope that too or 1650-1700kg

[barren crater]

Yeah and how would a magy stomp a carno? That would imply knocking it down

[outer sphinx]

this game is not saurian, its not going for 100% accuracy

[gritty terrace]

like teno is kinda strange cuz its not bad but if they would have kept its tail bump it would have been better

[uneven mist]

Knock it down with its weight we saw magy do that to a cera in its consept

[gritty terrace]

the point of stylizing is to capitolize on features thats on something and it feels like they just take away them 💀

[uneven mist]

I think magys design is pretty good

[gritty terrace]

I am not a fan on the dewlap

And it feels like face integument can be twaeked

[uneven mist]

It’s mostly for sexual dimorphism

[barren crater]

Kind of like how pachy can knock down larger creatures

[uneven mist]

Exactely

[outer sphinx]

its a tiny sauropod with armoured scutes, thats still here, what else does our model not share with the atributes of the irl one?

[outer sphinx]

the same way us as humans can knock down heavier people than us

[gritty terrace]

it just makes me cringe looking at that cuz the biggest weakness on animals is the neck, so lets just make it flappy and dangle more so its easier to bite

unless its retractable which I do not think it is

all I can imagine is cerato biting at the dewlap

[outer sphinx]

the rest of the neck is also very heavily armoured

[gritty terrace]

Magy is fragmentary as hell, the first part of the message was for magy, second part was for all the other designs

also like I said what's the point of armored scutes on most of the neck and back when there is a giant dangly weakspot

I just don't think the dewlap looks good or gives any reason to have it

[uneven mist]

Its just a dewlap💀 nothing wrong with it abd other animals Also wil have dewlaps like herrera abd mabye elder giga

[uneven mist]

Sexual dimorphism and courting

[gritty terrace]

yeah cuz its not the size of its damn body

[outer sphinx]

bc its more meat doesnt mean injuring it affects vital parts of the neck (blood stream, airway etc)

[gritty terrace]

idk I just do not like the sound of a dewlap on a sauropod

they could have capitalized on how many large holes are on the skull and how airy their scull is, personally if there were airsacks on dinosaurs I would bank on them being on sauropods going off of the skull but thats it

[visual dust]

Dewlap is literally just a flap of skin, it wouldn’t have the same weakness as the rest of the neck

@weak anchor try pinging the official server admins in whichever channel corresponds to the region you’re in (ex. #evrima-na for North American servers)

@rancid surge report it with the form in #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

Or use #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧

[rancid surge]

will do

[limber hull]

cerato being slower i feel plays more into the niche they have planned for it, rather than just being "because magy"

personally, i really love the idea of a slower, smaller carnivore that must rely on other tools to survive. Often herbivores are the slower ones, but cerato's unique niche permits it to be slow and still survive

[barren zephyr]

@barren zephyr what about free grow servers?

[crisp topaz]

Yeah the zoo offers free grows every hour and on the hour that server turns into a BR. Lots of fun.

[barren zephyr]

Even with free grow servers like the zoo there is a two hour cooldown that’s enough time for me to grow half of the roster

[uneven mist]

Go on taco or scope’s discord and ask for admin role

If you dont want to grow and to test dinos

@fleet brook the only answer i can answer rn is that night looks so wierd rn bc they are preparing for u 5.5 and doing a hotfix soon to make night better

And the stretching dead bodies are fun ngl

[thorn adder]

carno 40% growth only 20 force bite, nice...

[uneven mist]

@tidal fjord yeah but the problem with that is that a megapack of carnos can easily sustain itself on AI which is not good for balance

A adult carno shouldn’t really sustain itself on only AI

[tidal fjord]

Well currently, a single Carno can barely sustain itself

So you want all carnos to starve if they don't find players?

[uneven mist]

I know so I woukd make it so that you gain more food from AI than slowing down the hunger rate

[tidal fjord]

Hey man, I don't mind either or

As long as I don't starve after finding a small ptera bird, boar and deer within 30 mins

[limber hull]

i personally don't like that, i dislike the idea of sustaining one's self on AI

[uneven mist]

Not at all but what I meant was that a group of carnos shouldnt sustain itself on ai, a lone carno should mabye but not a group

[tidal fjord]

Yeah, I agree... a group shouldn't, but individuals should and Currently that's not the case... atleast in my experience.

[uneven mist]

Same I don’t like it either but I feel like we should gain a little more food from the AI

[tidal fjord]

Why don't you guys like it?

[uneven mist]

I don’t like it for big Dino’s like acro ,rex and so on bc then they woukd grow easily and sustaining itself would be easy to but rn carno is the biggest one so

[tidal fjord]

That's just bad design imo. If there isn't enough players on the server or the maps too big, ull constantly lose 2 hours of your life.

Packs should be sustainable through hunting big game, while loners should be able to live off of ai to get the chance to pa k up xD

Also, we now have nesting... I literally couldn't find the chance to sit as a loner... imagine trying to feed 2 adults and hatchlings.

[barren crater]

You'll need AI to sustain. There's no way around it unless you give carnivores longer hunger times

Map will also get bigger

[tidal fjord]

Agreed.

[remote thunder]

Frankly the map should get smaller, at least until they figure out how to support 100+ players on a server and have it be stable.

The current map size is too large for only 100...

[tidal fjord]

I think they have the plans for a smaller map on their trello page.

[remote thunder]

They do. Who knows when that will happen though.

[limber hull]

i honestly dont see the need for a smaller map. I'd rather have more to explore than less

[tidal fjord]

I somewhat agree, hence I suggested improvement to stamina but that idea got shot down. Currently food is a problem for carnos (I don't know about utahs as I don't play it).

[remote thunder]

Generally, I feel the same way. I'd love to explore a completely fleshed out and balanced version of Spiro (but I think the map needs a lot more improvement/interesting areas). However, I don't want to explore the vast emptiness where my chances of seeing any dino is next to zero...

[barren crater]

Map will be like 4 times the current size. Imagine they keep the same stam times

[remote thunder]

Imagine if the whole Spiro map was finished (and was actually designed well), and it supported 500 players in game... Holy shit. 😋

[barren crater]

500? sweet lord that sounds overkill imo

[remote thunder]

The netcode just can't support that though.

[tidal fjord]

My Internet wouldn't handle that xD

[remote thunder]

I don't think 500 is overkill for the ENTIRE map of Spiro... currently we can only travel about a 1/4th of the map.

[tidal fjord]

And yeah, wouldn't surprise me.

[remote thunder]

Also you should get the content creator role. I've seen a few of your vids. 👍

[barren crater]

I don't think we need player interaction all the time imo. 200-300 would be nice on a full map

I hope the devs give us some activities inbetween

[barren crater]

I did apply, will have to wait for a reply.

But yeah, I do hope we get cool things to do

I know they have some plans

Play fights, sparring iirc

Something to make downtime fun. Idk

[remote thunder]

Same, I would like some quiet time where I can explore an area and feel it's immersion without constantly having to fight off carnos. But I disagree about the pop size for the whole map. You know there'd be SEVERAL areas with no one even with 500 people on the ENITRE Spiro map...

[barren crater]

Fair

[remote thunder]

Nice 👍

[barren crater]

I'd argue that with the migration system they're making, player interaction would be somewhat guaranteed

if you follow the path as a carnivore

[remote thunder]

It's kinda a Mute point however, since I don't think their servers will ever be able to handle 500 people at once....

[barren crater]

Oh definitely. Very big doubt on that

[remote thunder]

I know next to little about their intended migration system. I need to catch up on The Isle News Updates vid's.

[barren crater]

I don't know much either. However a migration system to me sounds like a path where herbivores are actively looking for food

So as a carnivore, you can follow the herd that's moving

I could be completely wrong though, just a thought

[remote thunder]

Forcing people to move around is a good idea to increase interaction though. It can be annoying having to move, but no one wants the Legacy bush squatter-growers back.

[remote thunder]

I do that anyway lol 😆

[barren crater]

Fair and that's where they can give herbis down times in between the path.

However when it's time to move, you need to move to not be left behind. Which would be cool imo. Again, personal thought

If you don't incentivise movement, you're left with update 4.5 dam and NW meta

[remote thunder]

Yep. Squatters.

[barren crater]

Also makes the game stale since ambushing opportunities are lower...

[limber hull]

honestly the one thing i appreciate about U5 so far is no hotspots (yet)

people are just kind of vibing all over the place

[barren crater]

Yep, way cooler. However, I noticed that was the same with update 4.5. People moved around until a meta was established.

I hope it stays as is

[remote thunder]

You know what would be cool? If in the Perk Update, they provided incentives for migration for BOTH prey and predator?

Prey: You're stronger, get unique perks for moving.

Predator: You get unique perks (like silent stalker ones) for hunting the herd for an extended duration.

[limber hull]

I mean, difference here is no glitched drinking spots

[barren crater]

True, very true

[limber hull]

ez water = best hotspot in my experience

[remote thunder]

I appreciate being scared again while drinking. #SaveTheDeinos

[barren crater]

Could be interesting. Would like perks tied to following your animals needs

[barren crater]

South could be one due to shallow waters, but it's also boring visually so probs not.

[remote thunder]

Perks definitely need to be unique to the game play style you actively follow in game... IMO. That would increase immersion so much. Imagine two predators of the same species, but one gets more tanky attributes because he just loves to fight everything... and another gets stealth attributes because he prefers to be a careful hunter.

[limber hull]

ehhh

[barren crater]

idk man

[limber hull]

dont know how to feel about tanky or stealthy attributes

because frankly, it'll end up with a meta, and not a fun one

combat perks have honestly been massive red flags to me personally

[barren crater]

same

[remote thunder]

It doesn't need to be like that per say... that's just a thought for play style variation.

[limber hull]

i much prefer the idea of a tenonto that likes to stay near water, so it learns to dive and eat from the underwater foliage

or a deinosuchus who likes the ocean and other saltwater bodies so it adapts to survive within it

[barren crater]

I want survival perks. Like needing less water, but drinking slower. Idk something where it can be helpful

without changing fights

[remote thunder]

That's cool too. Again, my point is having perks that provide incentives for your unique survival style... it would make every dino feel unique, even among the same species!

[limber hull]

idk, i like the idea of perks being transformative

you want to survive a certain way, here's perks to do so

for example, a perk called maneater that just means you get nutritional bonuses for killing and eating humans

[barren crater]

Would love that for utah

[limber hull]

its fun and changes how and what you hunt

[barren crater]

herrera as well

[remote thunder]

I want my "Olympic Runner Stam Perk" lol 🏃‍♂️

[barren crater]

[limber hull]

idk how to feel about that

[barren crater]

Stam, damage, speed

[limber hull]

would instantly be a top pick

[barren crater]

no to those changes imo

[remote thunder]

Maybe, it would have to be balenced compared to other Perk advantages. I'd be fine if it just gives you a marginal increase in stam efficiency. Btw, was already have that... it's called Diets.

[limber hull]

but diets aren't permanent

you stop paying attention and those buffs are gone

[remote thunder]

Yep, but I think they're a clear difference maker

[limber hull]

having a permanent perk which just makes you better than everyone else is off to me

[barren crater]

I remember you having a really good perk idea. Forgot the exact details on it

[remote thunder]

Maybe have it adjust over time? Like if you adapt to more of a boxer play style versus run-and-evade?

[limber hull]

imagine, as a teno, you have a perk that allows you to become better in a more specialist lifestyle. You can now dive down in water and receive the nutrient you would otherwise receive from radish root from the river's floor. However, this places you at heavy risk from predators, specifically deinosuchus.

And then you have a perk that makes your tailslam do more damage. We all know what everyone will pick, and it's not the one with risk

[barren crater]

True, meta picks

[remote thunder]

Perks obviously need to be balanced amongst themselves. Obviously what people pick depends on the "Perk Pool". One being incredibly better than the other, definitely doesn't increase player survival style diversity.

I like the idea of having a Perk that creates an adaption towards getting a certain food source though. That's cool.

[barren crater]

Thoughts on perks changing health, blood or stamina regen?

[remote thunder]

I'm OK with it, as long as those are balenced among the entire "Perk Pool".

[limber hull]

honestly, i've kind of wanted herbi diets to change to have it that 1 item for that diet option is "consistent" and the other is "specialist", requiring specific circumstances, perks or so on to attain. For example, a drought can reveal river grass for tenos to eat, or they can simply dive for it. A hypsi can find food high up in the top of the highest trees, stegos can find special patches of lush grass after a long period of being untouched and with heavy rain, which they will quickly graze out.

[limber hull]

health, hell no.

[barren crater]

Also, do some creatures heal faster than others?

[limber hull]

yes

[barren crater]

Like is it based on weight. Like would a 1600kg carno heal in equal time to a teno?

[limber hull]

no, i think certain animals have specific heal times

although i'll be damned if i know what they are

[barren crater]

fair

so bleed regen perks would be interesting. Would be interesting to see on creatures that hunt bleeders

or defend from some

[remote thunder]

Imagine if there's a food source that gives you a unique "clotting agent property".

I'm also OK with a "Thick Blood" perk.

[limber hull]

like i'd be cool with a perk that massively increases cerato's scent radius, revealing far more potential meals and drinks than other creatures could smell, at the cost of its finer use of scent through tracking

less of an active hunter and much more an active scavenger, able to locate a new meal from well well away

[remote thunder]

You know how they can balence perks? Provide trade-offs. You pick one Perk and it has its advantages but also disadvantages...

[barren crater]

I still remember the idea filipe had on a stream once where you would deal like 5% extra damage to a species iirc. I'm almost certain that was said

[limber hull]

that seems rather silly imho

[barren crater]

Now I need to find it. brb

[barren crater]

I mean, fair. I do like the idea that you would be specialised in hunting a species. Although that would almost certainly be a balancing nightmare

[remote thunder]

Let's be real: when they do finally add perks, it's guaranteed to be a balancing nightmare in general. That shit will be in testing for-ev-er...

[barren crater]

That's the thing. It depends purely on how they go about it. If it's basic stat boosts? We're 100% screwed

[visual dust]

What would the advantage to teno river grazing be? Seems safer and easier to just eat normally.

[barren crater]

Imagine being a new player fighting a carno with 10% damage boosts lol

[limber hull]

don't need to migrate nearly as far for full nutrients and allows a new survival tactic for when big bad land predators like the carno come knocking

[visual dust]

Fair enough

Might need larger rivers if they wanted to use it as an escape option though

[remote thunder]

To be honest, new players don't stand much of a chance anyway... I've played against plenty of new players yesterday who clearly don't know what they're doing.

[visual dust]

Yeah the isle DESPERATELY needs a tutorial.

[barren crater]

True, but the damage boost wouldn't make it any easier lol

Also vastly changes other matchups

[remote thunder]

Some would say that damage boost would make it more interesting to combat... at least for seasoned players. It's like playing the game on hard mode. Not everything needs to be equal.

[visual dust]

Yeah, perks should be side-grades that change your playstyle, not flat buffs, imho

Also, how would you know if a carno has the 10% damage buff?

[remote thunder]

And the devs don't want you to be able to 1v1 everything. They've said that repeatedly.

[barren crater]

everything does need to be equal in terms of combat values imo. Imagine fighting a carno that has the buff without you knowing?

[limber hull]

this is my biggest issue with buffs to damage and health

how do you know?

[barren crater]

You'll know when you die quickly

[limber hull]

and more importantly, is it really going to make combat more fun if everyone will minmax the same way?

[visual dust]

Like normally I expect to be able to hunt tenos with ~3 raptors but with a potential health buff I’d need a lot more to be safe

[limber hull]

leave health, damage and size buffs to elders, that's what they're there for, but perks have to be something unique

[remote thunder]

Again, I'd be fine as long as there's a trade off. Like OK, that carno bites harder but he's a little slower with <Insert whatever>.

Y'all have seen Sue? Chonky Rex? Definitely a bruiser. Probably not an nimble Rex.

Now compared to Stan the Rex, my money is on him being faster.

[limber hull]

but is it fun to have to deal with that? how does that fare for balance? will the in-game meta just lead to a pile of susans and one youtuber playing stan as a challenge?

this is the problem with radical stat differences

[barren crater]

Also imagine this

Pack hunters like allo: One has speed build, one has a damage build. So they just run you down / delay you. Is that fair?

or heck a stamina build, so they all make up for their base weaknesses

[remote thunder]

It definitely shouldn't be radical then. And yeah, it'd take a lot of balancing to make it work. I'm also OK if Perks are introduced like you said to start off...

My problem is that you're limiting the Perk variety by saying "no HP, stam, bleed" alterations.

[limber hull]

for good reason though. Matchups can be entirely defined by the weight of the creature

[barren crater]

Yep

Utah being heavier means it pins pachy

[limber hull]

having it increased to increase health and blood pool makes that creature more powerful

[remote thunder]

But also skill, and player's decisions in game...

[barren crater]

utah only needs a 50kg buff to overpower pachy completely

[lucid mauve]

I highly doubt the gonna thouch any of the base stuff on perks. Best i can see is better bleed recistance or venom etc. Well i hope

[limber hull]

skill often plays second fiddle to the best builds

[remote thunder]

Lol stego...

[limber hull]

you can be skilled and still lose to a utah with better perks and less skill because he was just inherently designed to kick your ass

[remote thunder]

😩

[barren crater]

venom... resistance a perk I would like

[limber hull]

i mean, that does specifically fuck over troodon and dilo

like, just outright fucks them over

[barren crater]

should it depend on playable?

idk, but I do agree that it screws with them

[remote thunder]

Yeah Troodon is completely dependent on the venom

[limber hull]

and with animals like minmi, venom resist is just built into the animal

a troodon would KNOW a minmi is a poor target because it's outright specified to be

[remote thunder]

Let's talk about "fair" in a survival game like The Isle: <Grabs bag of 1000 personal tears over 1000+ hours in game>...

[barren crater]

Can't wait for update 7 just so we can finally get some closure on what perks will be like 💀

[remote thunder]

I can't tell you how many times I've lost my shit to "unfair" shit in both Legacy and Evrima.

[limber hull]

i dont know how to feel about perks yet

could be done well but

[remote thunder]

Random: I just want dynamic weather. Like give me a scary storm at night already.

[barren crater]

#isle-discussion message we always have this

#isle-discussion message as well

[limber hull]

i like the second one

[barren crater]

same tbh

Only that direct speed changes could be a thing is what I tried to signal

At the very least it wasn't 100% shot down

So, we'll have to wait for that

[limber hull]

yea

@sacred minnow you sure that isn't just cannibalism debuff lmao

because you seem to have perfectly described the cannibalism debuff

[sacred minnow]

oh really ?

[limber hull]

cannibalism causes you to have muscle spasms

which causes random biting

[sacred minnow]

do you know how long it last

[limber hull]

[unique fulcrum]

What’s the point of playing this game if it keeps saying server full when it’s not full

[sacred minnow]

its full when its full

[unique fulcrum]

So 93/100 players is full? Sure

[sacred minnow]

server player count is bugged on server list

[barren crater]

So, it's full. It just doesn't appear 100/100.

The numbers don't actually reflect it sadly

[visual dust]

It’s because of everyone trying to join right now. Try when the hype dies down.

[unique fulcrum]

Okay but it’s not full because now it says check anti-cheat integrity

[visual dust]

Check pins in evrima troubleshooting

[pure atlas]

It’s because so many people are trying to get in at the same the numbers keep changing, try unofficial servers instead

[timid flower]

I don't even know anymore

[visual dust]

Finally they added burrowing!!!

[worn pumice]

hp buffs, weight buffs, attacks buffs

[limber hull]

hp and weight buffs are technically the same thing

[timid flower]

my luck huh

[worn pumice]

tru tru

weight = hp

[minor shale]

How to make a pair? I can do it

Its N right?

[limber hull]

yea

[visual dust]

Hold n looking at another adult member of your species of the opposite gender

[minor shale]

Not working for me as a pachy)

[visual dust]

Are you both adult stage

[minor shale]

Yeah

[visual dust]

Report using the #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞 form

[minor shale]

Ok._.

[visual dust]

Sorry but hopefully there’ll be a hot fix soon 😛

You could also try for a solution in #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧

[minor shale]

I also dont have my sex in character window lol

[visual dust]

That’s odd

Does it just say error?

Oh also you can’t court your siblings so if you were from the same nest that’s why it wouldn’t work

[runic steppe]

Delete save folder sounds like ur having a similar issue I had.

[minor shale]

No its just blank, no sex at all

[minor shale]

Hm ok thanks

[limber hull]

your entire dino might be bugged

[runic steppe]

The devs should’ve told everyone to delete their save folder before even trying to play the update

Woulda avoided a lot of issues

[minor shale]

Thank for the help!

[runic steppe]

No problemo

[lone sierra]

sooo anyone elses game keep crashing while trying to join a server?

[runic steppe]

Go read the troubleshooting pins

[lone sierra]

oh yea i forget about those

[runic steppe]

:))

[dark osprey]

@swift moth needs a volcano or 2, a decent lake, cave system even if small (maybe as an option to move under river), snowy topped mountains, meteor impact site, a beach cove and that's all I can think of atm

[visual dust]

There is a beach cove

[minor shale]

I deleted the folder, and Still cant see my sex)

[obsidian depot]

I logged on to NA 7 and have a fully grown stego somehow despite it being a new server. I'll take it but I definitely didn't grow it

[loud oasis]

@obsidian depot My wife had a fully grown deino on NA 7. I'm pretty sure NA 7 was official 1 before the patch cause thats where her deino was

[obsidian depot]

Oh that would explain it I did have a stego there. Figured they would have wiped them like normal. Too bad ping is 600

[loud oasis]

Yeah, i cant even move. It's just repeated in place movement due to lag.

Whelp, time to play a different game

[obsidian depot]

I managed to get on na4 and only have 100 ping

[zealous stone]

I definitely like the idea of a queue system.

[undone oracle]

My impatience with the developers is at an all time high. To a lack of servers, to no server queues, to the stupid amount of bugs that aren't being amended, or are pushed into a new update without even being play tested, for example, flying effing fish, and the stupidly bright skies at night that offend my retinas. It's a joke, and I question whether or not the developers even care for my (and others) opinion.

[visual dust]

Before the update released everyone was saying “we don’t care about the bugs we just want an update” lol

Also

[calm granite]

or just join unofficial for now

i have severs i can suggest

[swift dew]

if the bugs are so easy then why dont you apply and fix it for them

[gaunt flax]

my friend can't see any servers in the Evrima branch besides empty ones

would anyone know why? she just installed it on her laptop

[calm granite]

prob has toggle off full

[gaunt flax]

she says she can't see any servers except 0 population, even on unofficial

[quartz prism]

i feel asleep This
Having it where its togglable would be really helpful for the servers like u said that dont want to be 100% realism
And i love playing this game with friends even more than alone but not havig a system at all atm to find each other easier before dieing one of the 100 ways u can eats up the little time we can all play set to together out of our busy works

[quartz prism]

On average we end up spending a 1-2 hrs just trying to meet up the 4 of us. Plus because we die over and over by the time we meet up we then usually are left with only 2 hrs of trying to grow/survive as babies. And thats if we dont die to normal things like players and have to spend more time meeting up again. So playing large dinos ends up not being fun at all (plus they walk so slow that meeting up is even harder and can take longer)
Last night we played as hyspis and it still took about 1 1/2 Hrs to meet up with the 4 of us

summary/ I have to love more playing the game alone atm because playing with friends isnt really possible

[dark osprey]

@quartz prism so what you want is a list of players names so you can invite from that list.(obviously invites can only be sent to the same species). I agree with that. Don't need a global chat system.

Either that or at the very least a list of friends on Steam that are active

@bitter lotus saw that exact spot, seeing the ocean in the back is horrendous

[somber loom]

I really hope they fix the lighting especially at nightime. I have my brightness and contrast on 100% and can still barely see

[quartz prism]

The steam friends at least would be perfect even

would need the visibly of party members names to be increased too tho i just realized. It can be pretty easy to lost track of ppl still especially as a fast little hyspi

[quartz prism]

i think night vision is comming up soon?

[dark osprey]

@quartz prism yea makes sense could see group from other side of the map on legacy

@somber loom I wouldn't mind the dark as much if the sky wasn't as bright as you said, it looks like it's still day time, the issue I think is the moon lights the sky not the ground making it bright as hell

[sacred minnow]

ok there it isnt maybe very loud but this sound just play nonstop and its annoyning

[lyric spoke]

the ecosystem is nonfunctional. completely ruins the update

[visual dust]

What ecosystem???

[lyric spoke]

yup

[visual dust]

No seriously what ecosystem are you talking about and why do you think it isn’t functioning

[lyric spoke]

💀

[visual dust]

???

I’m trying to respond to your feedback but I literally don’t know what you’re talking about lol

[mossy horizon]

It seemed like you agreed with them lol

[glad dirge]

tracking needed the nerf since wallowing is practically nonexistent

[lyric spoke]

😭 😭

[proven river]

@calm granite admins can already do that though

[calm granite]

they cant

[lyric spoke]

I don't even smell footprints unless it's baby steps I'm actively walking over

[proven river]

yeah they can, I'm an admin on scopes server, you can

[calm granite]

unless they changed the keybinds?

[proven river]

they can change dino without slaying yes

[calm granite]

before it was shift insert

[proven river]

a quick menu with a list of all dinos pops up and you just switch

[calm granite]

send me a video of u doing it

[proven river]

I don't know how to record videos plus I have covid so can't go in the computer room rn

[calm granite]

uggggh

what keybind is it then

[proven river]

It's in settings right?

[lyric spoke]

if you have missing keybindings that aren't showing up in settings you have to delete your config file in localapp saved folder

[calm granite]

lemme try hang on

yeah no they got rid of it

[proven river]

the devs wouldn't do that it's stupid, it might be the local save folder got corrupted, lots of people's controls got janked

[calm granite]

its not a thing dude

youre spreading false shit on my feedback

u dont even play lol

[proven river]

false shit what? that the local save folder got corrupted and messed up controls? mate I don't need to play to know shit, I have several friends who have had this happen to them

[calm granite]

i reset the folder, it isnt in the game atm

[proven river]

ooh what's this? doesn't look like false shit

[calm granite]

remove ur reactions if u dont have proof

tell ur frens to do it

[proven river]

very well then, give me a moment

[proven river]

well darn, I am literally not even joking when update 5 released I literally watched my friends stream it to me on discord, in the public release, but a minor hotfix released and it must've been removed as a bug or something. My greatest apologies. I saw direct footage so I assumed it remained in Update five.

[calm granite]

damn right.

[proven river]

[limber hull]

that feature was never meant to be given in the first place iirc

the reason people can't have it is it's supposed to be a dev/testing only thing

[calm granite]

wow, thats goofy

[livid sapphire]

omfg this is crap FIX THJE SERVER NUMBERS\

server count if F"

is

why the hell is it taking so long to load a server only to say it failed, this game is fucked since the update, if i owned this game i'd fire everyone and start over

[limber hull]

lmao what

[arctic folio]

Sounds like a you problem

had no issues loading

[mild hull]

When i got to mate where im supposed to press n to do it when i press n it says Input not found

what do i do i went to settings to find the mate button but there is nothing in the settings

[uneven mist]

If you are experiencing issues with your controls since the latest update (can't move camera, unable to court, etc) then please try wiping your config files in localappdata.

1. If running The Isle, exit the game.
2. Open File Explorer.
3. Click the address bar at the top.
4. Type %localappdata% then press Enter.
5. Find "TheIsle" folder. Open it.
6. Open the "Saved" folder.
7. Delete the "Config" folder. Note: This will reset any of your custom settings to their defaults.
8. Restart the game. The issues should be fixed.

[sturdy niche]

Are the devs gonna do anything about the fps because it gets worse with every update

wtf

im just saying i got a capable machine and its just super stutter

[silent current]

Yeah they are currently investigating the cause

@solid wedge They will expand the time of night and day in 5.5

Rn its incredibly short until update 5.5 for the time being

[solid wedge]

then ill suffer till then

[chilly bridge]

is it normal to have mainly male hatchlings?

[silent current]

It's like a dice roll you could just be really good at getting males

I got all female pteras one time while nesting lol

[chilly bridge]

Ah I got ya

[azure cape]

Why I can't use mouse look around?

[icy lion]

If you are experiencing issues with your controls since the latest update (can't move camera, unable to court, etc) then please try wiping your config files in localappdata.

1. If running The Isle, exit the game.
2. Press the Windows Key
3. Type %localappdata% then press Enter.
4. Find "TheIsle" folder. Open it.
5. Open the "Saved" folder.
6. Delete the "Config" folder. Note: This will reset any of your custom settings to their defaults.
7. Restart the game. The issues should be fixed.

[azure cape]

wow! thank you so much 🥰

[solid wedge]

Love the idea of, lets make a whole new map. Wouldnt take forever at all

[zealous violet]

@latent olive I can also confirm these same findings! Ive grown many times over there as both deino and land critter and have watched fish spontaneously die. Often i just assumed it was because a deino was in the water, while I was a land critter but it kept happening.

[proven river]

@magic glade I watched video of a ptera biting a hatchling pachy in the air and it went into the pteras mouth as it flew away so that's nice

[magic glade]

If it’s already in the game cool, but I’ve never gotten it to work, and I play as a ptera a lot

[proven river]

it might only be hatchlings of small tiers like pachy below

might not work for teno, carno, deino and stego hatchlings idk

[solemn crypt]

Does it say to you when your nest request was denied?

[limber hull]

@sullen brook what is your post supposed to mean lmao

[sullen brook]

got the best stats

[lime gulch]

gotta agree with viper, me and another friend were carnos running through the forest and it became so hard to see because of the bushes, both of us died trying to simply turn around the opposite direction

maybe we're directionally challenged but I feel like the over sized bushes are kind of over the top and unnecessary

[urban flax]

Well after the recent map redesigns I finally feel like it's getting out of hand
The bushes on the cliffs are a specific type and they can be recognized, but there are so many cliffs and in places you absolutely wouldn't expect to see one I haven't managed to grow a pachy yet
Always fell to my death

[lime gulch]

Is it aesthetic purpose then and just causing mass death or a purposeful fall to your death without realizing thing?

[urban flax]

Actually I heard the bushes were supposed to tell you there's impassable terrain there
But I'm understanding less and less

It's alo very annoying when you know you're atop a cliff but you can't go near the edge and watch the landscape to try to know where you are, because bushes completely block your sight

[dense vale]

regardless of dying its bad design, cliffs should let you look out and see where your at, look for players, fear of heights, sense of scale. camera full of bushes in your face gives you nothing unless your trying to hide

[hot bluff]

Amount of bushes near cliffs should just be greatly reduced, then

[barren galleon]

guys what dinosaur is this?

[barren zephyr]

God

[regal monolith]

@devout sun

How is a certain plant growing around cliffs “unimmersive”

LMAO plants grow on cliffs irl dude

[devout sun]

What's unimmersive is the idea of remembering that specific kind of plant and the way those plants are used as an idea of where the invisible deadly drop is

I know plants grow on cliffs..

I am trying to explain that there is no point to killing people that way. Learning which placement of bush in the jungle full of identical bushes will lead to your death I feel would ruin the immersion of traversing the environment or how natural that environment will feel.

[lean escarp]

i thought that the devs said this map wont be forever used? that theyre going to make an entirely new one with biomes or smth

dunno... but i hope thats the case....
i just dont like the current map's layout much

[dense vale]

hope so, this map feels like its procedurally generated and were the test monkeys

[brazen sorrel]

So anyone know how to make the biting stop on utah mine is just biting constantly?

[urban flax]

Stop cannibalizing and wait until the debuff stops

[brazen sorrel]

Wait what

[urban flax]

When your dino bites randomly it means you're under the effects of cannibalism debuffs, which wear off after some time of not eating your own kind

[brazen sorrel]

Thats a thing, omg i cant believe i have not notice this what

[icy lion]

Has been since update 4, yes

Carno and deino don't have it as they're intended to be cannibals

[brazen sorrel]

Omg that cool an glad to learn something new i guess lawl

[visual dust]

Only on utah and ptera, the other 2 are allowed to cannibalize

[brazen sorrel]

Lol the first body i ate an i was like starving lol so i just ate it an then just constant biting i was like wtf is wrong with my utah

Any idea how long it last

[visual dust]

Yeah I mean it’s not that bad if you’re starving but it’s something to keep in mind

[brazen sorrel]

Was goin on like 10min or maybe tops of 15min an i just ate a teno body which i think fix it?

[urban flax]

Eating other things don't remove the cannibalism debuff, but the debuff was probably just over

[visual dust]

Ya it just goes away after a bit

[barren zephyr]

Chonk?

[boreal rose]

Well I mean, he's definitely chonky

[hoary snow]

is pteradon fishing working rn?

i couldn't get the heat dipping animation to work at all

head*

[boreal rose]

Idk, I'm going to check that

[red shore]

Please fix the server bug... I have not been able to log on to the Official EU1 server for 7 hours with 91/100 online... It's going to burn out soon..

[urban flax]

I managed to skim the water, but didn't seem to be able to catch a fish...
That is, considering they were flying a few meters above the water
Biting them didn't work either

[hoary snow]

Just to make sure i have it right, it's the eat (e) button to skim right?

[stuck cradle]

Yes The server count is so buggy I tried joining a NA server on 88 and still said it was full

[hoary snow]

mine were also floating above the water xD

[urban flax]

No it's right click

[hoary snow]

Thank you i had it wrong!

[boreal rose]

Apparently the flying fish seem like a visual bug

Cause I was capable of catching mine with no problem

[hoary snow]

Thank you thats super helpful, ill give it another shot

mhm it works!

[boreal rose]

Nice

[tribal heart]

c`mon!!! they still didnt fix the deino - lunge bug where prey just dissapears??????

jsut happened to me.

holy carp...this sucks big time!

made a video..if anyone cares!!!

[visual dust]

#🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[tribal heart]

no bug report anymore!

this bug is here since 6 months now. plenty ppl have submitted.

[visual dust]

No harm in submitting again

[hoary snow]

okay since you guys were more helpful than general chat seems to be

is there any resource that explains eat dinosaurs diet? i haven't played since the diet update and im trying to figure it out, can't find any info on the discord and the info on the wiki is just an overview

[urban flax]

Well I don't know really what info you're looking for... basically every dino has a few diet elements needed shown in the character screen, you need to accumulate all three nutrients in order to get growth and regen bonuses

[barren zephyr]

MORE AIS

[regal monolith]

This is such a weird arugment

[hoary snow]

the wiki explains tenonto has mountain ash, wild potato root and radish root as its diet requirements

im basically wondering where i can find the diet requirements for each dinosaur

[regal monolith]

are you literally suggesting that a plant growing on a certain area consistently is unimmersive?

[hoary snow]

im currently playing pteradon and i have no idea what her requirements are

[regal monolith]

Just pay attention

[urban flax]

It's written on the character screen

[outer sphinx]

thats not always helpfull

[urban flax]

Also for carnivores they only appear once you're past a certain growth, until then you can eat whatever

[hoary snow]

Oh, you're correct, i'm a goob. Thank you Bubulblu

[outer sphinx]

like when it will say Oranges and coconuts are on coasts but then you go south and theres a ton of them

[regal monolith]

In my opinion it feels more natural, because you take note of certain plants growing on cliffs and the use that knowles

Instead of just clearing foliage near cliffs

[urban flax]

If I knew this earlier I wouldn't have died twice trying to cross the cliffs leading to the beach (nor would I have ran for 30+ minutes on the beahc looking for a coconut tree)

[regal monolith]

Which is l unimmersive because cliffs can have plants

To put it simply, it just seems like you have a skill issue

[devout sun]

Legit not the point I am making in my suggestion. Probably shouldn't have replied when you dissected my wording.

[outer sphinx]

yup, diets still suffer from the same issue i even pointed out at launch of them

[urban flax]

Actually bushes on cliffs would be fine if they were easily recognizable and something that would instantly tell you "don't go there"
Like thorn bushes

[outer sphinx]

just inconsistency with what the menu will say, and 2 that they are only in predefined places

[devout sun]

I didn't think it would be of such issue and it seems only to be to you and not 70+ other people so I'll just remove it from the suggestion.

[regal monolith]

That’s literally what they are

[devout sun]

that would be neat actually

[urban flax]

No they're bushes like every other but a slightly different shade of green

[regal monolith]

Its the same thing

[devout sun]

the problem is the bush is identical to the ones everywhere else in the jungle

[regal monolith]

These specific bushes grow only on cliffs

They don’t grow in jungles most of the time

I’ve been playing since update 2, so yeah I’m pretty confident you’re wrong

[urban flax]

My point is that they're hard to tell apart from "normal" bushes AND they don't strike you as a "don't go this way" sign first time you see them

[devout sun]

^^^

[regal monolith]

I’ve seen them in normal jungles like, in only 4 spots

[urban flax]

Which is bad game design, unless the point is to willingly have players fall to their deaths

[devout sun]

you have to loose at least one dinosaur to it to learn

[regal monolith]

Then you die and realize it’s dangerous, what’s the problem?

[devout sun]

exactly my point

[devout sun]

nice

[devout sun]

you are needlessly killing people

[urban flax]

Why would you need to die for that ?

[regal monolith]

Or, you can take note of these bushes only growing near cliffs before falling off and dying.

[devout sun]

legit what would you loose from removing them

[urban flax]

I didn't know survival games and die-and-retry were compatible genres

[regal monolith]

there’s no reason to remove them

[devout sun]

plus they vary in thickness with no tell as to where the actual drop is

[urban flax]

Thing is, you don't see the cliff until you fall

[regal monolith]

The drop is near the bush

[devout sun]

what bush I'm in a jungle

[regal monolith]

You know there’s a cliff because of the bush

[regal monolith]

The bush that’s bigger then its surrounding bushes and has a unique model

[urban flax]

Yeah once you've died to them several times and learned that this one bush with a slightly different hue of green is actually a deathtrap

[devout sun]

This discussion is pointless. These bushes waste tons of time for no gain whatsoever. There is no reason for them to be in the game at all. Hence my suggestion to remove them.

[regal monolith]

it sticks out a lot

[devout sun]

I just cannot see the point of this argument anymore

[urban flax]

Idk, I think brambles would have been less painful as a warning sign because people would instinctively think "I don't want to go in those bushes"
Also bramblkes irl are the plants most likely to grow on cliffs

[regal monolith]

you get used to them

They are very pretty to

[barren zephyr]

Brambles would be a good idea

The cliffs/cliff bushes are annoying but fun to skitter down tbh. Years of climbing mountains in Skyrim has paid off

[regal monolith]

I think its unique, and they make cliff lines look interesting

[devout sun]

They just simply don't need to be creeping into the jungles. Thin them out so that there's a little open spot near the cliff. I too love how they look on the sides of cliffs. But the jungle doesn't need to be thicker next to the cliff, it needs to be thinner. Not even the trees themselves just all the undergrowth.
I entirely agree with the fact they shouldn't be totally removed, but they need to stop being placed in such a way to cause unnecessary deaths, it's useless map design and only serves to kill people a few times with no warning at all.

[barren zephyr]

Carno still has a broken hitbox

[regal monolith]

The warning is the bush itself

[urban flax]

The point is - if you want to use a bush as a warning sign, better make it obvious
There's a thing in videogames called "user experience" and, surprisingly enough, it's very important

[devout sun]

Tell that to the guy who just grew their first tenonto over the last few hours, smells water in the jungle, runs towards it, and then leaps off.

But they should have used the bushes.. in a jungle..

Hell it's a bush in a jungle, first time dying to it the new player will probably not even make the connection.

The fact it kills players who never experienced it before like that should on it's own be reason enough to tone them down to just the actual cliff faces.

[visual dust]

Also half the time it’s too dark to tell the difference lol

[devout sun]

Also yeah, right now it's just straight up impossible to know

the entire inside of the jungle is pitch black 50% of the time

Also note those "cliff bushes" are also commonly found on the sides of rivers. Most notably the central river running north-south is covered with them especially farther south.

This helps players associate those bushes with drinking water, if they are persceptive. The problem is even if they are looking at which type of bush is near what (like every new player does of course), they will STILL get surprise killed by a cliff at some point because of those bushes.

[proud coral]

The whole argument of "just watch out for cliff bushes" is redundant to me since I can't see anything regardless. My camera is just foliage. How am I supposed to see up ahead when I can't see 3 inches from me

[urban flax]

Well mehtor explained it
You'll get used to it after 40 deaths

[proud coral]

[dark osprey]

Ye cliffs are a joke with how the bushes are. I'm starving there's a body over there sprint. Die. Nice.

[hoary snow]

How are Pteras supposed to eat "elite fish?" the only time i see them able to be fed upon is on the shore and those are obvious deino traps

[barren zephyr]

@barren zephyr They are lowering the graphics because of performance issues

most ppl couldn't operate the game

[proud coral]

That reminds me of when I've seen others say "just don't sprint through jungles"

Doesn't run

Still can't see

[devout sun]

@past oracle Already a thing. AI can detect you through sound or through vision. If it does either it will run. Adult carnos are fast enough to catch deer, and both utahs and carnos can easily come up behind one and use their ability to guarantee a kill.

Fresh spawns just don't have the power to kill a deer even if you get up on it and start attacking, you just need to scavenge or hunt smaller things like frogs or rabbits.

Or don't because there is only 6 AI (9 including fish) spawned at any one moment on a server now

[past oracle]

yeah with the fresh spawn utah thing, i was thinking that the pounce would be able to try and bleed the deer out but i was trying to sneak up behind it and it would always detect me whilst i was always crouching

[devout sun]

Ah. Could be desync with the way the deer is facing. Either that or fresh spawn utah is so small it physically cannot be within pounce range without being in crouch detection range.

Which is very possible

[past oracle]

yeah im thinking that its just because of how small it is

i think that ai spawn rates should be way higher

think they mentioned something about them wanting to make this game more pvp action based rather than pve

but its just making things harder to survive imo ahaha

[devout sun]

people might want to engage in pvp action more if fps didn't go down to 4 for the entirety of most encounters

I was fighting tenos with a carno today and it literally sat at 3 for most of the fight

[past oracle]

what server was u on

[devout sun]

official

medium and low settings for all

render scale 40% it was so pixelated and it did nothing

[past oracle]

ah right

ive also been having that too

i was on 1 fps for about a minute chasing a baby stego

[devout sun]

chasing things is the worst it's so hard to follow something through bushes visually when you only get to see things twice every second

With how fast-paced combat or even just chasing something small can be, it's so easy for something I'm fighting to straight up disappear because it slipped behind me during one of the constant frame gaps

[past oracle]

yeah ik, hopefully they prevent the fps drop soon bcs its getting me killed and stopping me from hunting

[past oracle]

yeah, for some reason it seems easier to escape people because of it

[devout sun]

They will fix it one day. Too bad we had to wait 9 months for an update that fucked the game up as much as this one did, just to have to wait another 2 weeks for a hotfix to maybe get it back to what most would consider playable.

And hopefully not introduce balance changes that nobody asked for, we'll see.

[narrow goblet]

bad implementing bushes on cliffsides so we fall off with 0 warning, i really wanted to wait 30 mins to get in game, spend 4hrs growing my dino just to fall and die due to a horrible implementation

[turbid mortar]

hi

[zealous violet]

Hello, Deed

[zealous stone]

On the global chat suggestion, personally I disagree. The Isle is supposed to be a survival horror game to some extent, so shouldn't just be able to conversate with people across the map. You should feel alone, with the exception of any friendlies in your immediate vicinity.

[buoyant folio]

It should not take as long as it does for deinos to inhale oxygen. Especially the smaller ones. FG deinos should only take 1-2 minutes of surface time to fill their lungs and it should decrease the smaller you get

[summer forge]

you could still be able to disable global chat if you want to be fully immersed, that's why I used to do on legacy

by switching to "local" instead because it was mainly inactive

in my opinion, we should get at least global and local

[zealous stone]

That still removes the feeling of being alone from the experience. If your ever lose a large portion of your pack for example, you could just call reinforcements from miles away easily.

[thin smelt]

Yo anyone else just getting absolute awful frames this update?

[zealous violet]

@vague phoenix We have a new biome?

[vague phoenix]

Ya the New Biome type. Nesting grounds.

[vague phoenix]

https://youtu.be/E6Ud9U8O9u4

[zealous violet]

Ohhhh thats what you mean- i was confused, haha

[vague phoenix]

😅 lol

[flat crypt]

Late reply but a way of making it work I think could be to have brambles on cliff edges that slightly slow you down. It's another warning outside of visuals that tells you to stop and watch where you're going. A purely visual cue doesn't work that well because the jungle itself is so dense next to cliffs, there's always bushes and tree branches in your camera obscuring your vision. But if you're slowed by a noticable degree it's something you can actually pick up on. Wouldn't need to slow you down a crazy amount or anything, but enough to pick up on. It's quite common for bramble/thorn type plants to slow you down in video games so itd be pretty reasonable imo

[urban flax]

Or they could also make a loud, specific sound when you walk through them

[flat crypt]

that could work too. basically just needs to not be only visual lol

[lyric spoke]

footprint tracking is so laughably bad now. I know it needed a nerf but this is useless

[flat crypt]

"slightly different shade of green" just doesnt cut it. thats only visible in the daytime anyway, dusk dawn and night wash out colours and make that distinction more difficult. it also isnt very colourblind friendly, and plus people vary in how well they can tell apart different shades of colour. in a screen of nothing but green, a different shade of green is not remarkable enough

[limber hull]

its really not that bad

i can still track things fine

its just mildly more difficult

[lapis swallow]

I like the fact that it takes skill now

[limber hull]

same

pre sure vibro has me blocked for reasons i legitimately do not understand so i wasnt ever going to get a conversation from him

[lapis swallow]

So vibro is one of those persons?

[limber hull]

[lapis swallow]

That block you if you disagree with them

[limber hull]

i never even remember having a real conversation with him

[urban flax]

I remember my first conversation with him ended up with him saying I made myself an alt account to support my opinion

[azure geyser]

So I’m new but do you reach a certain point we’re you get so old you don’t recover or something and we’re can I find all the info about things

[urban flax]

There is no aging mechanic yet in the game
As for the information you need, most of it is here on the discord, but not always easy to find, your best bet is to ask in isl-discussion

[icy lion]

Welcome! You can keep up to date with the short-term plans for the evrima beta at the roadmap here https://trello.com/b/G5tsb4XI/public-roadmap. To answer your question, an elder system is planned for update 7, you can read more about it by clicking the card on the roadmap. Most questions are most readily answered in #isle-discussion , for future reference

[lapis swallow]

You did create me, what are you talking, lol?

[urban flax]

I'm tired of creating people by accident

[lapis swallow]

Could you stop appearing out of nowhere? FOR FIVE MINUTES?

[outer sphinx]

wait so rn footprints just apear more spaced out? same for blooddrops im guessing

[limber hull]

i guess? they're harder to see

[lapis swallow]

You cant smell it from like 100 meters away

@covert crypt you should be posting suggestion and feedback in this channel, go to #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧

[limber hull]

@sweet hollow already confirmed (except dinos cant understand what the humans are saying)

they'll hear it as radio static

[sweet hollow]

i meant for it to not be radio static

at least for custom servers

[limber hull]

then no, i dont think that should happen

[sweet hollow]

i was thinking of it as good content tbh lol

[limber hull]

i'd much rather hear their static rapidly raise in volume lmao

[arctic nest]

cant wait for humas 2040

[limber hull]

cringe meme

humans came out 2021 lmao

[sweet hollow]

lol true

[arctic nest]

epic kicking baby dinosaurs

really finished human content

[sweet hollow]

lol

[arctic nest]

definetly didnt just push it out unfinished because the year was ending and they promised it to be out that year

[limber hull]

yes because they 100% promised completed humans with all functionality done and dusted

the fuck did you expect lmao

it was everything that it needed to be

[arctic nest]

damn ig it didnt need to have any content at all

[limber hull]

humans could eat, drink, had unique controls and could interact with their environment

[arctic nest]

epic kicking humans in the isle

[limber hull]

what exactly did you want

lmao

did you SERIOUSLY want them to spend time giving human inventory functionality, weapons and more? Because if they did that, people would whine that they spent so much time on humans and no time on other things

[arctic nest]

i mean...yeah i dont think if you make humans without adding the human anything thats unique to humans than its not really counting as added humans but aight

[limber hull]

they did have things unique to humans but sure

first person camera and a completely different style of locomotion to the dinosaurs, as well as functional flashlights

[arctic nest]

flashlights didnt do shit and first person view made it easier to be ambushed lol,maybe if they added flashlights now when the games dark as fuck yeah

[limber hull]

it was meant to be a fun "run around and look at the Isle from a human's perspective" not "HUMANS ARE DONE FOR GOOD YEA"

[light zephyr]

I hope the isle adds some sort of inherit system with hatchlings, and it could be based off both the parents diet and whatnot
Like if both parents had perfect diets their offspring could have slightly better night vision, have an increase in distance for scent, jump farther and so on
I think that would be kinda nice

[limber hull]

already planned with perks iirc

[light zephyr]

Ive been hearing about it but i wasnt sure if they were rumors or not, or if they were coming in update 5.5 or not
I feel like it’d give people more of a reason to pay more attention to survive too since sometimes it can get boring after getting to 100% growth

[limber hull]

They'll be coming with update 7 and perks. For now you inherit the skin

[light zephyr]

That’s pretty neat for now, glad they’ll be coming out with more inherits eventually but more than anything i just hope the bugs are fixed from the update 5 release

Ever since update 5 ive been having horrible problems with lag and ping so i do hope some patches happen soon

[limber hull]

super weird because me and my friends have had some pretty great performance improvements

[lapis swallow]

Me too

[arctic nest]

bro my fps goes from 120 to 10

this shits so weird

[summer forge]

@gritty terrace it's both funny and infuriating to me how they didn't even bother to make a proper slit eye for carno

because the pupil should stay in the same position no matter what angle the head is in

[gritty terrace]

it looks like a goat eye is some angles it hurts

The issue is that for some reason the socket is rotated 45°??

And if they had a round eye it would just fix it rather than doing model adjustments

[summer forge]

yeah

I feel like round eye looks a lot more natural on dinosaurs than slit too

I know it's kind of a debatable subject but it feels so much more natural than having the slit

[gritty terrace]

Slit eyes give no benefits to things where it's head are above 3 feet.... plain and simple

Like dinosaurs could have slit eyes but they would have to be tiny

[summer forge]

yeah

[limber hull]

@high nymph I think the acceleration buffs and turning buffs should still be a thing for juvis, but the stamina can do with a bit of toning down

[high nymph]

Yeah. I can basically run from East to West on 1 stamina bar when I spawn in. Kinda ridiculous

[limber hull]

its kinda insane how long a carno can run as a juvi, for instance

[arctic nest]

btw can we talk about the fact that i need to listen to 20 baby utahs eating my body as i wait 5 minutes to respawn cuz they killed my baby teno?why doesnt the audio just go away? lmao

[limber hull]

@arctic folio /grow is no longer a thing, its on the admin menu

and while i do think the act of selling grows is sketchy at best, its the matter of how the hosts wanna do it

[arctic folio]

/grow or tapping grow

same thing, does the same thing

the problem is, is when you can get into an official, you have nowhere else to go because basically ever server offers paid or free grows

ill grow my dino legit, forever and always, but it gets boring

when everyone i interact with literally dont know how to play the game

i cant count how many full grown dienos ive seen that dont even know they have a right click or alt bite

Like i literally solod a full hp, full grown dieno as carno with raw dmg yesterday because he didnt know how to alt bite, it makes the game boring when it doesnt have a challenging element

And god i love this game with all my heart, but its been built up to not just be one of those survival sandbox games. Even said on the steam page

but its basically been that because of the sandbox gamemode and now admin controls being used out of hand

[arctic folio]

but yes i know its on the admin menu

pretty easy to tell when many servers even handout free admin perms so you can learn pvp non legitimately

[lapis swallow]

Its just practicing what is wrong with it?

Sorry that I dont want to lose 2 hours everytime I make a mistake

[arctic folio]

Well when a game has no campaign

what are you doing to actually learn the game? nothing because your breaking how the games supposed to be played

What is the point in learning from your mistakes if you can test exactly how many bites it takes to kill a utah as carno

nothing to learn

and nothing to gain when you know everything the game has to offer without doing it yourself

[lapis swallow]

You learn from your mistakes while practicing

A lot of times I see mistakes I did and correct them in the fights after that

[arctic folio]

whats the point in dying then?

[lapis swallow]

When I play officials

[arctic folio]

you might as well be given immortality if you dont lose anything from dying

and practicing is like

[lapis swallow]

I just use it to get better

[arctic folio]

fighting the final boss in a game where you have immortality, learning everything about it, and then playing it legit

[lucid mauve]

I mean you loose your growth ? : P

[arctic folio]

but its not legit because you didnt do anything to find out how to beat it

what was the point in preparing for it

[lapis swallow]

Its the same as using an aimtrainer for shooters or play on a pvppractice server in minecraft

[arctic folio]

and thats not supposed to be a thing so how claims thats fair?

[lapis swallow]

You want to be better prepared in a real situation

[arctic folio]

who*

so whats the point in survival if you dont need to survive

[lapis swallow]

Nobody has a problem with it

[arctic folio]

because you know exactly how to handle every situation

and players who dont know about free perm servers are at a massive setback

[lapis swallow]

So its cheating in minecraft to build something in creative and then use your skills in survival then

[arctic folio]

minecraft doesnt claim to be

not just another survival block game

thats the difference

[lapis swallow]

I asked for it in the isle discoussion and I got a server recommend

[lucid mauve]

But the more you play the better you understand how to survive/play as every game

[lapis swallow]

^

[arctic folio]

?

that literally supports what im saying

not what you said

cutting hours off of playing the game is not playing the game

[lapis swallow]

No it supports both points

[arctic folio]

the isle gained its fame when it wasnt this way

and its kept a steady playerbase since, for a reason

[limber hull]

personally i agree that the instagrow/practice servers are kinda lame but

[arctic folio]

and just to be clear i love this game, its my favorite of all time

but thats why i even care to say something

[lapis swallow]

It supports my point because you are prepared for fights and your point because you learn the grow situation better

[arctic folio]

isnt it much better to be prepared for fights after you worked hard to find out how mechanics work

or how much dmg things do, or your abilities attack range

[lucid mauve]

I dont really understand the problem, if i have 10 hours in the game and you have 1000 hours. You prob gonna survive alot better then me.

[arctic folio]

when it works best ect, not "wow i just /grew myself and practiced for 10 mins so i have nothing more to do besides destroy people who didnt defy the games natural barriers!"

you dont need 1000 hours, but you shouldnt be able to nearly master a dinosaur in like 2 days

[lapis swallow]

"oh, I died multiple times and now I finally know how to fight and lost dozens of hours." How enyoable

[arctic folio]

in any game ever

[lucid mauve]

I mean i facetanked a rex in legacy on my first allo, i learned a lesson lol

[arctic folio]

you die, replay a mission, die, replay, die replay, you spend hours on that

thats what keeps you playing

if you instantly beat it what is their to play?

its the same when in the isle when you realize how easy it is to kill almost anything in the game as a utahraptor

[lucid mauve]

But i can loose to 2 utahs and still beat the crap outta 2 utahs who have no clue what they are doing

[lapis swallow]

I do the same. I fight, win or die and then I look at my mistakes and learn from them

[arctic folio]

and you die and whoops! i grew myself

tell me something

is the isle not at its most fun when a new dino or map is released

and your playing it for the first time?

[lapis swallow]

But I play survival too and I play my fights like they were survival

[arctic folio]

and you see new areas of the map you had never seen before?

[lapis swallow]

I played it for 4 months now

[arctic folio]

? what? that has nothing to do with what im saying

im saying when you had played a new map, dino, ect

its most fun when its new

am i wrong?

[lapis swallow]

Yes, I did not enjoy the isle until I researched a bit on how to play. And now I got the basics and I try to learn new stuff through other players and myself

[arctic folio]

not sure i believe you unless you literally didnt know how to eat

its human nature, inescapabilty to seek new things

[lapis swallow]

I knew but like where good spots are to get food and stuff

[arctic folio]

You might not be used to it when thinking about the isle if you've only played for 4 months

ive played during its for few weeks of launch, and while i never disliked it

not 1 bit, i know it was way more enjoyable when a new map came out

[lucid mauve]

But its so many diffrent dinos to come, with niche playstyle. If you tired of one, you can try a new one.

[arctic folio]

or when V3 would get changed it was unreasonably fun to explore the new areas

same things with combat or a new dino

your curious as to what it does, how strong it is, ect

you lose that feeling within minutes after your own your 18th respawn 1v1ing it

[lapis swallow]

I explore the combat myself, just at a different way

I am in a vc with the person I am practicing and we help each other to get better

[arctic folio]

you've only been playing for 4 months so i don't think you understand what i mean about new dinos, mechanics, and maps

only map change in 4 months is nesting grounds, and a few stat changes to dinos

let me ask you this

have you nested as carno or anything that uses debris?

cause its more fun to found out how to make the nest rather than reading how its done, i was told how to do it in vc and it instantly ruined the excitement

[lapis swallow]

Maybe its more fun for you to find out the basic stuff yourself

[arctic folio]

it’s meant to be a survival game, dinos back in the day didn’t get to become immortal and practice fighting a another dino. Things like t rex had to find ways to hunt anky or trike. Does that not ruin the thrill or the fear when you dont feel like a dinosaur

[lapis swallow]

But I really dislike it. I prefer to know the stuff that im supposed to do

[arctic folio]

when your a literal god, who can be grown or who knows all without any effort

it ruins longevity of fun and the immersion of survival

[lapis swallow]

I feel like a dinosaur but its a game for me and I want to be good at a game so I go on practice servers to practice servers to get better and then use that skills on survival servers

[arctic folio]

its like some rich kid comes in with the fastest car he could buy and destroys some dude whos trying to build his own car

the rich kids gonna not care as much after his third or fourth win

[lapis swallow]

Kind of not

They can go on those servers too

[arctic folio]

because he won instantly, meanwhile the other guy is gonna keep working until he wins and feel accomplished

its the same thing with any game that has a ranked system

[lapis swallow]

I have the work too, just in a much tinier timeframe

[arctic folio]

those games are popular because they keep you playing to hit that next rank

this is no different you just dont have a flash logo

but you feel like you've earned it and had fun doing so