general-feedback-discussion

[limber hull]

utah doesn't, and it's very evidently a bleeder

[jagged jewel]

being a charcharodontosaurid it still needs somewhat high bleed

[limber hull]

its pounce is the only exception to the current bleed rules

Also not sure how I feel about acro, a bleeder, having only a bit less biteforce than deino, an giant fucking gator

[lapis swallow]

Do you think the pounce got stronger with the damage buff, that like bleed damage scales with damage of utah

[jagged jewel]

i think deino's biteforce is only 500N because of the current roster

deino's getting buffed as the roster expands iirc so when acro comes it'll be stronger than 500N for sure i think

[limber hull]

bleed is directly tied to damage. A carno with a biteforce of 55 will do the exact same bleed as an adult utah (for example)

Pounce scales MUCH higher tho, which makes it a unique bleed tool

[lapis swallow]

I meant like: the pounce bleed is like 2.5 times higher than the damage (i made this number up, I do not the exact value), so pounce bleed should be higher now

Because in my experience, pounce made 55N per damage tick

[jagged jewel]

you're telling me a 100% stam pounce would nearly kill a pachy?

[lapis swallow]

Dunno

[jagged jewel]

i find that somewhat hard to believe

[lapis swallow]

But a full stam pounce nearly kills a utah

So yeah

[limber hull]

it fucking melts a pachy, yea

[jagged jewel]

because it's a pin

[lapis swallow]

Damage is the same

[limber hull]

pins actually do around the same damage and bleed per second, but drain more stam

[jagged jewel]

really? i always thought it was focused on raw damage

[limber hull]

(without bucking, that is)

pounce has always been heavily bleed focused. One good pounce is all it takes to make a pachy go bye bye

[lapis swallow]

And the ticks seem to be 55N, so the utah should make more bleed now because its damage scaled

[jagged jewel]

that's true

[lapis swallow]

In its pounce

[jagged jewel]

back to acro, anything else wrong with my suggestion that i can fix?

[lapis swallow]

Pretty good, especially the thing that two acros are a major threat to apexes and they seem to be VERY agile for their weight class with its speed

[jagged jewel]

of course not teno levels of agility, just enough to make apexes worry if the acros are coordinated or not

[uneven mist]

I was thinking instead of the latch it could have CC to knock down its opponent or prey but idk

[lapis swallow]

Maybe a fourth knockdown attack

[jagged jewel]

an acro knocking down apexes is meh to me

[lapis swallow]

Not apexes

But like smaller dinos

Should be kinda easy to dodge tho because the acro gets a couple free bites in

[jagged jewel]

maybe?? they don't really need a knockdown since the latch can still give 4t dinosaurs a fighting chance since they can "buck"

[lapis swallow]

True

[jagged jewel]

and smaller than 4t is kinda a snack for an acro

[lapis swallow]

But I can really imagine acro using its chonk

[jagged jewel]

really acro pairs should be focused on para sized and probably up to rex sized, while solo acros should be really anything around the minimum size range

[lapis swallow]

Maybe that the acro can kinda pull and push the enemies that are its size range and smaller than and bring it into bad spots

With the latch

[jagged jewel]

i guess that could work, i just don't want a pin 2.0

considering accurate utah'll probably have it too

[limber hull]

eh, i doubt that

dont think we'll see irl pounce

[jagged jewel]

dunno, accurate utah atleast needs something to make it different than current utah

[tight oxide]

now im glad we didnt get the 100 people asked for as a utah buff on its bite

[tight oxide]

maybe a simple pin?

like it could be a better pinner

[limber hull]

sounds very niche to me honestly

[tight oxide]

uhhh

dont know what thats means sorry XD

[limber hull]

niche means it relies on a very specific set of circumstances and is basically near worthless outside those circumstances

[jagged jewel]

gimmicky

not viable enough to be a seperate playable

[tight oxide]

oh dang

[limber hull]

in this case, utah can only really deal with smaller animals

(which backs my theory that irl utah gets fucking destroyed by any carno that sees it)

[tight oxide]

then possibly a claw swipe or sickle claw attack?...

[jagged jewel]

sad truth

[tight oxide]

unless it can pull off a stun move which is uh...

[jagged jewel]

if irl utah is to survive a carno attack it needs to be super fucking beefed up

[limber hull]

irl utah v carno matchup not looking promising

[tight oxide]

at that point its just cerato

[jagged jewel]

except cerato is more agile and probably faster

[tight oxide]

that can jump maybe?

[limber hull]

its specifically these two animals I genuinely worry about. Carno is too quick for utah to escape, and irl utah will likely be much slower than fictional utah

honestly, i want cerato to be small and given a small teno-esque jump

[jagged jewel]

i guess a controlled fall with the aid of its wings could work? where it could hang around ravines and mountains?

[tight oxide]

that would be neat?

[limber hull]

more a velo thing, irl utah is far too heavy

[jagged jewel]

that's true

[tight oxide]

I wanna hear irl utah ideas to balance it ahhh

[limber hull]

speaking of velo i still advocate for velo to be the "literally everywhere animal"

[tight oxide]

maybe its a better brawler?

[jagged jewel]

i like irl utah more than current utah, but it'll be tricky to balance and implement

[tight oxide]

even water? seesh

[limber hull]

trees, burrows, coasts, so on

[tight oxide]

so brawler irl Utah? yes

[jagged jewel]

really anywhere with uneven terrain i imagine

[limber hull]

nah, it should be allowed literally anywhere and thrive literally anywhere. Forests, coasts, plains, mountains, all of which velo can live in (some with better results than others)

Velo should ignore biome boundries

It goes where it wants

[jagged jewel]

true

if a desert map comes with weather n all that velo should be the most common terrestrial carnivore

[tight oxide]

too bad it wont

[limber hull]

Velo would be the perfect starting animal for anyone. It's super adaptable to any environment, allows them to climb, explore burrows and worry less about falling from big cliffs, so on

[jagged jewel]

i want the grim expanse type of map again

[tight oxide]

if apexes come then good bye to smaller dinos being the big population

[lapis swallow]

I think that irl utah could be a VERY good forest hunter

[tight oxide]

a ambusher?

[lapis swallow]

Yes

Irl utah was one in real life so it would fit

[jagged jewel]

yeah irl utah shouldn't be caught in the open plains and be very safe

[lapis swallow]

I think if its caught by a carno in the open its not very good for it

[tight oxide]

also carno population will lower due to apolloraptor packs too and the nerfs to it

[lapis swallow]

A main prey item for irl utah I could see is dibble

[lapis swallow]

You mean utah we have right now?

[tight oxide]

yea

I say apolloraptor to seperate the two

since our utah isnt actually a utah

[lapis swallow]

Just say utah, its less complicated

[tight oxide]

gotta push that apolloraptor energy

[lapis swallow]

And irl utah to the normal one

[tight oxide]

devs gonna rename so...

[lapis swallow]

I think a good name would be speroraptor, like the map

Or spiroraptor

[tight oxide]

but arent the people in charge of the dinos in lore or something apollo engineering?

and if they made our current utah...

[lapis swallow]

Could be the case

[jagged jewel]

i like the idea of irl utah somehow re-evolving back in isla spiro

[tight oxide]

but

wouldnt our utah be more adapted for the island?

see no reason for evolution to say bulk up and lose pounce and agility

[jagged jewel]

that's true, but irl utah needs an explanation

[tight oxide]

irl utah was made in a lab by removing foreign dna

[jagged jewel]

no idea man

[tight oxide]

just dont think evolution is the way unless...

irl utah is a sub species or something

[jagged jewel]

[tight oxide]

sperate utahs that survived in a different area of the island

wonder if irl utah will beat dilo

[jagged jewel]

if the other smaller islands were not blocked off a lot of migrations would happen

[jagged jewel]

in a brawl probably

[jagged jewel]

a teno can migrate to the other islands and lose 70% of stam at max during the way there

[lapis swallow]

Irl utah will be the strong one of the small tiers

[tight oxide]

irl utah might be able to duke it out with pachy 0-0

actually shred it

[jagged jewel]

yeah for sure

[tight oxide]

I have an idea for irl utah

it pokes its arm out to basically use it as a knife as it runs past prey...

think that would be something that works great in ambushes and general combat?

[jagged jewel]

probably

[tight oxide]

wonder what irl utah hp and bite would be

[jagged jewel]

1k hp max and like 70-90 n

[tight oxide]

1k weight???

crazy

would be cool if younger irl utah played more like current utah

[jagged jewel]

yes

irl utah was massive

[tight oxide]

pff

[limber hull]

big

[jagged jewel]

that's a very slender utah

[tight oxide]

mhm

dont think utah got that big but oh well

[frank tapir]

they could add that kind of size for hypos

[tight oxide]

think hypo utah would be bigger

[urban flax]

@modern cedar Are you talking about legacy or evrima version of the game ?

[limber hull]

very likely legacy

[tight oxide]

someone should pin a no more legacy suggestion thing or something

since no more updates so...

[modern cedar]

about Evrima when big dinos will come in the future

[jagged jewel]

in evrima tailriding isn't a thing

[limber hull]

so an alt-bite, which we already have

[urban flax]

But you can't get ass-ridden in evrima

[jagged jewel]

unless the victim is really fucking bad

[limber hull]

also tails take WAY less damage than the rest of the body

[urban flax]

Well trike might have trouble defensive its back
But that's kinda the point

[jagged jewel]

specially in U5

[limber hull]

trike seems like an animal that will want another trike near it

otherwise, y'know, its not going to have much defence behind

[jagged jewel]

i like the idea of solitary trike but yes

i think the ceratopsians that will do best solo will be styraco and pachyrhino

[visual dust]

@lyric eagle I mean, servers cost money to run, they can’t just add 5 more on a whim

[limber hull]

Maybe AU will be alive

[tepid gate]

what in the world is that?

[visual dust]

Is there any info on the undescribed specimen shown here

I can’t find anything on google

[stuck crater]

Anyone have any idea when the next update is ready?

[uneven mist]

No

[icy lion]

There's no ETAs

[tepid gate]

There's some specimen of... some large theropod from the Cedar formation that Utah comes from and some people assume it's Utahraptor itself, just a large specimen of it but I'm not entirely sure whether that's what that behemoth Utahraptor is based on.

[barren zephyr]

1. Because pachy's agro

2nd. The reason a pachy "win's" is due to headbutt, broken bones, head fracture, ect. And this is a death sign for stegos when they leave and limp away for predators to kick'em while their down.

[hidden pilot]

Dont fight pachies then

[barren zephyr]

Big fat boi has no choice when fat headed boi want fight.

All fat boi do is run but him fat.

[hidden pilot]

Still doesnt make sense to put in extra work for something that makes no sense happening

[barren zephyr]

What are you talking about.

[hidden pilot]

pachies shouldnt be randomly attacking stegos

[barren zephyr]

But they do.

Also thanks MODS for deleting my post for absolutely no reason.

[hidden pilot]

Never seen that happen in my entire playtime

[barren zephyr]

Good for you

[hidden pilot]

cus it doesnt make sense and was very downvoted

[barren zephyr]

Well it's was feedback. And though was down voted should have been left.

Just because alot of people say otherwise doesn't mean it's alright to delete someone opinion.

[hidden pilot]

There was no need for your redundent post

thats it

[barren zephyr]

I mean I made it as a joke but I can flip it into an actual issue tbh.

[hidden pilot]

its not an issue tho..

[barren zephyr]

What about it was redundant?

[hidden pilot]

doesnt need to be addressed

[barren zephyr]

Oh wait you can't read it anymore huh?

[barren zephyr]

Yeah this is why MODS should delete posts that actually house ideas/opinions. As they are points of conversation and interest.

[barren zephyr]

Is for certain people. I remember it received a couple green checks.

[hidden pilot]

No one agreed with you

[barren zephyr]

Yes they did.

[hidden pilot]

literally only got downvotes

[lapis swallow]

Stego needs no buff

[barren zephyr]

Bs. And you can't prove it. Since it's gone.

[barren zephyr]

Says the majority...

[hidden pilot]

not bs, its true

[lapis swallow]

Are you trolling?

[hidden pilot]

i hope

[lapis swallow]

Because its true

[barren zephyr]

Why shouldn't stego receive a "buff"?

[hidden pilot]

stego doesnt need a buff, heck, most people want a nerf

[hidden pilot]

because it doesnt need one

[barren zephyr]

Huh so most wanna give into power creep? Lol amazing.

[hidden pilot]

what?

[lapis swallow]

And if somebody gets beaten up as a stego against a pachy, the person has a skill issue

[lapis swallow]

Huh?

[hidden pilot]

thats what i said

[barren zephyr]

Stego needs a mobility increase for attacks or a change of hit box imo.

[hidden pilot]

not really no

[barren zephyr]

Did you see the "imo".

[lapis swallow]

Da faque? Its the strongest attack in the game. It does not

[hidden pilot]

yes, and opinions can be dumb

[barren zephyr]

Ah but what do stego's do when they have multiple dinos attacking?

[hidden pilot]

defend

[icy lion]

@barren zephyr I removed it since it seemed like a fairly obvious troll post, especially now that you've said you made it as a joke

[lapis swallow]

Put their head into a tree and wait

[barren zephyr]

Well calling someone's ideas dumb makes the person name calling dumb imo.

[hidden pilot]

bro

[barren zephyr]

Oh wow thanks for waiting to confirm it "after deleting it"

[hidden pilot]

alr im gonna get outa here

[barren zephyr]

Cringe.

[icy lion]

Oh I didn't need to confirm, but it's nice being proved right

[lapis swallow]

The main reason of stegos dieing is boredom and then they fight until they are dead. Another one is cannibalism

[barren zephyr]

Yeah of course you don't need a reason huh? Well I'll post it again and this time.. I'm not joking.

[urban flax]

I might be late to the conversation but... can't stegos just one-shot pachys ? And I think it takes several headbutts to fracture a stego... so I don't see a stego dying to pachies unless it wants to

[icy lion]

I'd like your next post to be a bit more descriptive then

[barren zephyr]

The reason most people get agro on stego is because everyone hates them lol

[lapis swallow]

Because they are hella op

[visual dust]

Stop arguing with this dude he’s baiting y’all

[barren zephyr]

Well I ain't no writer. And not all feedbacks need precise wording for some to get a message through or to spark conversation.

[barren zephyr]

So people attack a "OP" animal for what? Lol just because they hate them? That's not really thr stego mains fault is it lmao

[lapis swallow]

Wasnt like utahmain used as an insult in times where utah was op? I think it was around u3. So what we are experiencing now is pretty mild

I personally kill every babu stego I see

[visual dust]

Often stegos are guarding more viable food sources

[lapis swallow]

NW

[visual dust]

Personally I take out baby stegs because if I let them grow they’ll become a danger to me

[lapis swallow]

Stegos come there and start bodyguarding for no reason and there is nothing anyone can do

[urban flax]

Well looks like suppression field smashed them

[visual dust]

Especially when that damn rock exists

Literally if they’re ever low they can just go up there rest and have another Stego guard the 1 way up

[lapis swallow]

Supression field?

The bot?

[visual dust]

Violator got muted lol

[urban flax]

Yeah the bot that automatically mutes people for 24 hours when they say a forbidden word

[visual dust]

It was pretty obvious bait tbh

[lapis swallow]

What did he say? You can censor it

[urban flax]

idk what he said, the bot also instantly deletes last message

[visual dust]

Is there a list of banned words somewhere

[lapis swallow]

You are getting no mute from the bot

Would be nice

[urban flax]

I got muted once, the bot does mute people

[lapis swallow]

Actually?

I got muted by an admin once

Was a heated conversation and then it switched to PoT and then I made a joke about the nuts picking quests

[vestal cloak]

People really be asking for a stego buff?? WHAT?

[lapis swallow]

Yeh

[lapis swallow]

Even the stego is confused, lol

[lucid mauve]

oh that gonna happen, either that or nerf utahs. Cus people gonna scream for nerf utah or buff something else

after update

[barren zephyr]

Average stego mains when they die to their own skill issue

[vestal cloak]

A pack of utahs should be able to kill a stego with relative ease this patch will make that possible

[sage spindle]

@zealous violet bioluminescent plant life when

fire-flys when

[zealous violet]

Haha, probably not anytime soon but they would still be super neat! Imagine running for your life from some carni only to fall into a hole in the ground you didnt see because it was covered in foliage and you cower there in hiding as you hear the carni's massive stomps run over and past where you fell and eventually fade away.
Then you actually take a moment to look around, your in a tunnel! You can't get out how you came in so you follow it and it gets bigger and bigger, eventually it widens into a full cave with glow worms and a tiny stream of water.
You get a drink and continue on and eventually find the way out, a much larger hole somewhere completely different than where you were previous on the map.

[sage spindle]

yessss

[runic steppe]

Troodon is allegedly bioluminescent if I remember correctly

[zealous violet]

like going to be in-game or just in general?

[runic steppe]

In game

Ppl are theorizing it’ll be part of the courting

[zealous violet]

Hmm dont know how they will pull that off aside from neon and at night.

hmm interesting -grins in secret knowledge-

oh, but im more excited about its mimicking abilities.

[sage spindle]

im gonna die i love that

little sonic bois

[runic steppe]

I’m trying to find the video with the ss so Ik I’m not crazy 😂

[sage spindle]

XD

send it to me im curious lmao i wanna see these little sonic bois

[zealous violet]

if you dont find it we are gonna assume your just crazy ~.^

[icy lion]

Filipe mentioned that slight bioluminescence on the blue parts was under consideration, it's never been confirmed

[runic steppe]

See I’m not crazy 😂

[zealous violet]

Haha

[raw jungle]

Yeah no a 1 ton animal wouldn't be able to do more than cat scratch a creature 6x its size. Utahs didn't even use their claws that way. https://www.google.com/amp/s/api.nationalgeographic.com/distribution/public/amp/science/article/deinonychus-and-velociraptor-used-their-killing-claws-to-pin-prey-like-eagles-and-hawks

[raw jungle]

Its called find another food source rather than obsessing over dead pixels you feel entitled to. There could be ai right over a hill but no that's not good enough because you spent so much effort left clicking your mouse twice.

[lament scroll]

Why are you SO hostile. Discuss, lightly jab, there's no reason to be swinging OUT THE GATE, lol.

[limber hull]

realism has no real place in arguments when Isle utah is involved

[visual dust]

so if my group manages to take down a fully grown stego, i shouldn't get to eat it because another stego was in the area? no i guess i should just go kill a tiny ass deer instead, yeah, makes sense lol

not only is it not fun for the carnivores who got the kill, it's unrealistic. herbivores don't guard carcasses irl.

[tight oxide]

Spino:

[worn pumice]

while elephants and rhinos might seem cool they would be way to easy a food source for larger animals

[limber hull]

agreed, basically rex fodder

i prefer the largest that AI gets remaining at boar

[worn pumice]

agreed

players who want larger food sources should be eating other larger dino players not a random elephant that cant run from anything in the game

[limber hull]

yea

an elephant is around mid-tier sized, which is very good food all things considered, def enough to sustain a rex

[worn pumice]

like just for comparison a very large Rhino would probably be around 1400 kg

[tight oxide]

if only ai were population based...

[limber hull]

?

[tight oxide]

hunting a ai species to extinction or to a point where you gotta wait for them to gain numbers again

[worn pumice]

population based as in more players on server means less ai?

[tight oxide]

though would be easier to encourage apex sized things to eat actual players

[urban flax]

Yeah no elephants and rhinos in the isle
Although elephants are kinda apex-sized tho ? Some can reach 10 tons
But I pity an elephant who'd have to defend itself against a pack of utahs

[worn pumice]

the weight is the main problem actually

it would give way too much food

for probably very little effort

[tight oxide]

eh make them hard to kill simple

[urban flax]

How would you make an elephant hard to kill for dinos without making it not an elephant ?

[tight oxide]

like boar ai but trunks and trampling and etc

[urban flax]

Also elephants kinda not fit imo

[limber hull]

yea, boar make sense because they kinda just survive anywhere

[urban flax]

There are only elephants in africa and India, not on tropical islands

[limber hull]

rabbits too

[urban flax]

Also their ecological niche is already taken by half the herbivore species in the roster

[limber hull]

basically most, if not all of the AI animals present in the Isle are highly adaptable to any environment

[worn pumice]

literally this

almost every apex that is herbi is large slow but hard to kill we dont need ai for that

[limber hull]

boars, crabs, rabbits, chickens, turtles, deer, goat, so on. All of these creatures have proven that they can adapt to new environments easily, or are already predisposed to living in a tropical environment. An elephant or a rhino doesn't really fit that

[urban flax]

we need cats in The Isle
Ecosystem destroyers

[tight oxide]

I want cassowary tbh

[limber hull]

i still want rats to spawn near human bases

[tight oxide]

add roaches bruh

WE NEED BUGS

[urban flax]

and maned wolves
Bugs would literally be a particle system

Or decals

[tight oxide]

hell I wanna see a ant army kill a hatchling

[tight oxide]

prehistoric roaches

[limber hull]

i'd actually really like termite or ant hills

i'd honestly make galli able to eat termites/ants

idk why, it feels like it fits

[urban flax]

How many ants would a galli need to get a meal ?

[tight oxide]

lots

[worn pumice]

a decent amount

[urban flax]

I'm not even sure an entire ant hill would be enough

[worn pumice]

galli is even larger then utah so its gonna need a lot of ants

[tight oxide]

galli would eat a mix of foods

so ants could be to top off the hunger bar?

[proven river]

[urban flax]

@mild talon The spiky icon on the scent bar is the megapack scent. If people can smell you as a deino, that means there are too many deinos in the area.

[mild talon]

Idk if others could smell me but I have certainly been able to smell them. What defines a mega pack?
As I have been in a group with only 3 carno's and been able to smell both of my carno group mates in an otherwise empty field.

(as a fellow carno, not as a deino)

[urban flax]

I think it applies when there's the equivalent of a maximum pack size in the vicinity, else it appears when this limit is exceeded

[minor reef]

@urban flax
@limber hull
Did you two read my whole suggestion or did you stop at the first two? Doesn't seem like you read it thoroughly because I said they could serve as constituents in the game until the dinosaur roster is really increased

[urban flax]

It doesn't matter
Why waste time modeling, animating annd programming AI that is gonna be deleted later when you can spend that time adding dinos that will actually profit to the game and stay in the final version ?

[limber hull]

very true

[minor reef]

They can use store assets for the models and utilize the animal AI currently in game. At least you'll have people no longer complaining about finding something to eat right? It wouldn't take long to implement at all whatsoever and it fills multiple niches until they can be replaced by actual useful assets

Besides, these animals could probably serve the humans they're working on in the near future. Or would you prefer they get horses and stick to hunting deer? Whether they are permanent or temporary, these animals could be useful in the long run if they plan them properly.

[limber hull]

humans will likely also get rations all things considered

[visual dust]

elephants and other wild animals of that nature wouldn't make sense lore wise either

[limber hull]

but cooking the AI sounds good too

[minor reef]

Possibly, but I'm sure they'd like to expand gameplay options right?

[limber hull]

my issue is that thematically, i dont see rhinos, elephants or hippos fitting

[visual dust]

imo ai's purpose should be as a food source for juvenile carnivores

[urban flax]

Okay why use that time to put animals that make no sense in the setting of the game ? ALso you say they would be here for when larger dinos come in later, but there isn't a need for large AI when there are no large dinos to feed upon them
Also humans wouldn't hunt an elephant or a rhino anyway if they have deers and boars available...

[limber hull]

AI should be primarily a backup food source, never the go-to choice

[urban flax]

Ai's purpose should be as scenery and occasionnally a food source if you have nothing else to eat

[visual dust]

i mean for juveniles who cant hunt other players yet

it can be a primary source

but it should never be able to sustain adults

[urban flax]

If they can't hunt anything else yes

Depends on the AI and on the dino
I can see a ptera living off fish for its entire life

[minor reef]

Well no actually. They're also used to fill the environment up so players travel around the map.

[visual dust]

hence why i said "imo"

[vestal cloak]

This isn’t a dinosaur simulator. This is a survival horror game. Stego is on Utah diet. It’s that simple.

[visual dust]

i'd say a fully grown stego should need about 6-7 equally skilled utahs to take it down

[limber hull]

One thing I do like about the ambient AI is that all the animals feel believable. The animals they selected are generally either extremely adaptable or would've lived on the island before AE got there. Boars and rabbits are infamous for spreading like plagues in any new environment, and deers/chickens are already decently set for tropical living. Turtles and crabs are a given since these animals can just rock up at any time, so on, so forth. That, and these animals are generally quite good for humans too, since they're so adaptable, they can be introduced with ease.

Elephants, rhinos and hippos are not these things. They're huge animals that really only like living in their own little ecosystems and absolutely are not capable of surviving more than a week with these roaming superpredators.

[visual dust]

exactly my point

elephants and shit would totally break the immersion for me

[minor reef]

I didn't suggest them for the largest dinosaurs at all. I suggested them for medium-sized carnivores that would have more of an issue taking them on solo like carnotaurus and ceratosaurus.

And yes, they would for the food amount you've already brought up lol

[limber hull]

The breeding rates of boars and rabbits, for instance, would absolutely imply they would continue to survive regardless of predators, since in nature, they breed like crazy and survive whatever their new ecosystem throws at them. Bullfrogs too, are nightmares when introduced and will quickly overpopulate. In the case of deer, they're only hunted by the very few predators capable of hunting them, their superior speed allows them to remain safe. The animals selected are honestly pretty smart and fit well with the narrative and the gameplay environment. I just can't see elephants working

[visual dust]

on the note of ai, what exactly do compies do? i know they're supposed to be scavengers but i never see them eating corpses, they're just occasionally around

[limber hull]

they eat and swarm :)

(compy my beloved)

in U5 they can be seen eating

[visual dust]

oh ok

[minor reef]

I think you're going off of a personal assumption and a personal bias based on the size of the animals already included. Elephants, rhinos and hippos would all fit the tropical environment and fill some niches up for medium sized carnivore meals on the go. That and all of these animals were once found in North America, only to be hunted to extinction. Now, if I suggested the mammoth, the whooly rhinoceros and the giant sloth I think that they would be obviously completely off putting for a variety of reasons. I went with tropical animals.

And I'm not suggesting that these animals be found solo - give them pairs, herds, or small groups. Solo is just weird. And they could easily come up with the excuse that AE brought these animals here for dinosaurs to chow down on or human consumption. The devs have a number of possibilities and opportunities in front of them and could easily make them work.

[limber hull]

here's the thing, even with all that in mind, I still wouldn't like it simply due to the fact that, based on my experiences, these AI would not at all be taken seriously and would be seen as a megasnack for any animal lucky enough to come across them. These animals are hefty enough to satiate apexes, they aren't at all a snack for mid-tiers. Hippos would be just a massive meal for deinos, elephants and rhinos a week-long feast for utah packs. It completely disinterests the player in taking risky player fights when these AI give them everything they need and more.

Not to mention, nothing in the current roster, besides deinosuchus, really would WANT these animals. These things are too big for mid-tiers like allosaurus to finish, and would end up being rex chow if nothing else.

[visual dust]

how could AE bring in endangered species just as food for dinosaurs/humans

[minor reef]

Except apexes won't be in the Evrima game for years to come. They have plenty of time to either replace the animals or find a suitable spot for them if they decide to keep them, or even remove them altogether. Between carnos, deinos and utahs, there isn't a huge satiation issue. Besides, they won't give as much food as say a teno right? The devs could easily toy with the stats to balance the food output.

And like I said, they'd be spawned in groups, not as solo animals. They'd be more difficult to pick off and kill, especially with their unique weapons. Hippos have their mouth tusks, elephants have their two huge tusks and rhinos have horns that could impale a smaller carnivore.

[minor reef]

Same way they'd make dinosaurs I'd assume. Genetic replication.

[limber hull]

an elephant weighs 4000kg. That's over twice that of a teno.

and thats the smaller one

an african bush elephant weighs up to 6000kg

which is a stego's worth of food

[lapis swallow]

No large Ai

[minor reef]

So then reduce the food output.

[limber hull]

thats not how it works

weight = food

heavier body = more food, that's how its always worked

[worn pumice]

large ai defeats the whole purpose

[limber hull]

also wtf would be the point of adding these goliaths if you aren't even going to reward the player for killing them

"good job killing that 6000HP elephant, here's a teno's worth of food for the trouble"

[minor reef]

You remember that they are the devs and could EASILY toy with the stats of something like that right?

[limber hull]

And why would they do that

Why would they add an elephant only to make it unrealistically small or give way less food than it should

to piss off the players?

[minor reef]

No. To satiate a niche until they at least add dinosaur AI.

[limber hull]

i'd rather not have dinosaur AI either

i'm quite happy with the AI we have now

it already feeds people more than enough

[visual dust]

what niche needs to be satiated??

[minor reef]

That sounds more like a personal problem to be honest. AI dinosaurs will be added

[limber hull]

teno AI was one of the worst things I think was ever added to the game. Just free walking buffets

I soloed an adult one as a fucking juvi utah and survived to adulthood with ease, it was pathetic

[worn pumice]

sounds like a skill issue on the AI part

[limber hull]

it just stood there and did jackshit

[limber hull]

and monday brings up a good point, what niche would an elephant fill that currently isn't being filled?

[urban flax]

I still don't understand the reasoning there
"Add elephant but teno-sized for carnivores to eat until we have actual dinos of that size"
Like... teno ?

[lapis swallow]

I think tenos could work now because the boar ai got much better so you could apply this to the teno with some changes

[worn pumice]

lol i remember the utah and teno ai's actually so terrible

[limber hull]

nothing in the game currently NEEDS such AI to exist

[urban flax]

Animal AI still needs a lot of work before we can even consider adding believable dino AI

[visual dust]

ai dinosaurs is dumb lol the only reason is when a server has no players

[limber hull]

I just don't like dino AI. Completely destroys the point of a primarily player-driven game and overall takes a lot of the charm out of the game for me

[worn pumice]

quite honestly i hope they don't even add it but ig they are anyways

[urban flax]

The endless battle goes on

[minor reef]

What niche? AI animals that fill the environment up, provide a challenge for players who encounter them, and give them food if they succeed. There's obviously more to it than that but that's the best I can tune out with how tired I am currently

[limber hull]

They literally already solved the need for AI with ambient AI, why bother with dino AI? You're not adding merc AI or tribal AI, so why dino AI?

[limber hull]

Or we can have playable animals that fill the environment up, provide a challenge for players who encounter them, and give them food if they succeed.

(we already do)

[urban flax]

In order to have more than 100 dinos per server, actual herds, scenery and a believable amount of smalls compared to big dinos (not saying every small should be AI either)

[visual dust]

thats literally how other players work lol

and they do it better than ai

[minor reef]

They're fixing the dinosaur AI before they are readded. Did you miss that?

[limber hull]

I forgot, they're crafting perfection with the new AI so it'll be completely flawless, uncheesable and indistinguishable from players, silly me!

[visual dust]

didn't legacy have 200 slot servers? is that not possible any more?

[urban flax]

Only some unofficials

[limber hull]

i still think we'll see server capacities increased at some point. Technology improves along with the game, it'll def be able to support 200 imho

[urban flax]

Also keep in mind evrima is much more resource intensive than legacy

[urban flax]

200 still not enough
It's the amount of dryos that should be there on the map (full map)

[minor reef]

Except its very flawed currently. Everyone packs at one spot, usually someone body guards the food from other players, and the map is empty for those who like exploration without dying. If you're a carno on the side of the map without all the players, you're pretty much dead. If everyone packs at one spot, it ruins the concept of a large map to explore.

[limber hull]

Sounds more like a map design issue than something that can be fixed with AI

[visual dust]

yeah dont put a bandaid on it by making an entire new ai system

the problems are created by the map

[limber hull]

Unless you consider placing animals that don't need to eat or drink since they aren't programmed to in every area no one ever visits a solution

[visual dust]

so fix the map

[limber hull]

Unless, of course, AI will need to eat the same food as everyone else, in which case, they will migrate to the exact same hotspots

[urban flax]

That's it
AI that mimicks players

Now I want to see elephants fishing for deinos

[limber hull]

And if that happens, player will leave these hotspots even less, since you know, there's giant sources of AI food

[minor reef]

If the AI food isn't bunched near the hotspot, then yes, they will spread out more

[limber hull]

I advocate for a more oriented approach to design, not chucking AI at a problem till it's "solved"

Because I actually enjoy the idea of carnivores being hard to grow

Rather than given food as a participation award

[minor reef]

Well feel free to do it for them

[urban flax]

If AI weren't free food it would actually be much better

[limber hull]

You make the rhino, elephant and hippo AI, I'll take the map

Better make it good

[minor reef]

Oh no. You can do both since you know best. Better make the AI the way you want them - useless

[limber hull]

I think I was advocating for the opposite but sure

[minor reef]

Agreed! This is why I was suggesting groups that can fight back honestly

[limber hull]

Boars can fight back

[urban flax]

Nah just buff them closer to their irl values, it would suffice

[limber hull]

Deers are fast af

Rabbits can burrow

[minor reef]

Yeah? How useful is that on a boar exactly? Lol

[urban flax]

Irl deers, rabbits, boars and even frogs can survive perfectly fine on their own

[limber hull]

Useful enough to keep them from becoming free juvi food

I've seen enough boars surrounded by baby utah corpses to know those fuckers dont mess around

[urban flax]

If boars were just smart enough to hide from threats they cannot kill it would be perfect

[limber hull]

True. I'd much rather them work into really making the ambient AI feel like they want to survive than spend all their time making poor mimicries of playable animals

[urban flax]

If AI would have a graze animation instead of aimlessly wandering around it would already be 10x better for immersion

[minor reef]

I actually saw deer grazing tonight

[urban flax]

But they spend most of their time just walking around, not grazing

[minor reef]

Not these ones. They were grazing like cows and looking for danger before eating again. It looked awesome lol

[limber hull]

@proven river @bleak bison gore update

[bleak bison]

Not a fan of the organ idea

Wouldn’t it just leave empty bodies around?

[limber hull]

i mean... in nature, you often see a lot of torn apart rotting carcasses with parts the animal doesn't want left behind

[bleak bison]

Irl and a game are two different things.

[limber hull]

well, regardless, it's still be pretty heavily implied that the "this animal eats this animal" is a temporary solution till U6

[lucid mauve]

Why should it? You wanne cuddle up and kill apexes with ease with speedy dinos? Sounds balanced.

[limber hull]

what

also idk why this dude thinks it'll be "easy" to kill a stego in U5

[lucid mauve]

I think it will, i mean its not much drawback with pounce. Its easy to use vs slow moving stuff

[limber hull]

stego still one-taps a utah and can employ several strategies to put the utah at a disadvantage

the concept that a utah pack will easily dispatch a stego seems silly to me

[lucid mauve]

yea i dont know how good utahs gonna be. But i also think its stupid of that gonna be easy. Imagine a few utahs beeing top of the food chain, its rex on steroids : P

[limber hull]

ehhh, they still stand no chance against a deino

and a carno ambush = death

[lucid mauve]

yea but looks like that gonna change after update, and if u got ambushed by a carno thats fine. You didnt pay attention : P

I think utahs gonna kill carnos now

[limber hull]

utah standing no chance against deino will always be a thing, regardless of the update

[jagged jewel]

i unironically think its more fun pack hunting deinos than stegos

[lucid mauve]

yea, but i still dont get pounce. Looks like peopel wanne use it with no drawback, jump in and out. Thats gonna be op vs slow moving dinos

[jagged jewel]

even though it’s impossible and the only time i did it the croc was in the middle of the center plains and it took more than half an hour

[lucid mauve]

yea, and it will prob just crawl into the water if it start loosing : P

[limber hull]

its still got buck as counterplay, you can use the environment against the utah, so on.

deino has bleed resist also

[jagged jewel]

thing is, slow moving dinos need to have a lot of counterplay which they do

[limber hull]

essentially a blood pool of 16000

[jagged jewel]

ye

it takes a really low level of skill to die to bleed as an adult deino

hunting baby deinos is fun tho

[limber hull]

(shouldnt be a diet option tho)

glad that was removed

[jagged jewel]

same, ambushing pteras is easier

something does need deino on its diet though and i hope cerato does

[limber hull]

Ehhh

By the time cera is introduced, I'm hoping gore is out

So we won't have these ridiculous pick and choose systems

[jagged jewel]

right i forgot about that lol

[lapis swallow]

I just hope I can hunt a steg and get every nutrient or at least two

[limber hull]

I do hope there is some form of prey selection rather than just "if it has organs, it'll do"

like, fatty meats, lean meats, muscular meats, fish, so on

like a stego having fatty meats

[tight oxide]

Would be a given since i dont see cera coming before update 6 lol

[barren crater]

Ai can clean up

or other players

currently, compy cleans up bodies in the stress test

[tight oxide]

I have yet to see a compy finish a utah body XD

[barren crater]

don't have one for a utah body

[vestal cloak]

Because it’s on the diet. It’s that simple. Otherwise, remove stego from Utah diet if Utah wasn’t meant to counter stego.

[limber hull]

i mean

[lucid mauve]

lol not worth discussing, if you think just cus something is on your diet its free food i think you gonna get a wake up call.

[limber hull]

carno is on utah's diet, but carno clearly counters utah

[lucid mauve]

yea i mean, im sure a rex not gonna have problem with killing a allo. But catching one is another thing.

[visual dust]

eh, if the utah is smart and has a couple friends they can take down the carno

turning radius and the pouncing can give the utah the advantage

[limber hull]

carno generally has the advantage now, tho, you must admit

im not saying its impossible, because it isnt

[vestal cloak]

Carno only has the advantage now due to broken pounce

[limber hull]

it also has the ability to three-shot a utah and much higher speed

[lapis swallow]

3 times the weight and this

[limber hull]

1800/450 isn't 3 lmao

[lapis swallow]

Quiet, you destroying my argument

I am helping you

[limber hull]

well, i want to help me even BETTER

such is my competitive nature

[vestal cloak]

Utah could be killed in 3 shots if the Carno catches them. Carno can also die to a few pounces.

If the Utah lands it

[limber hull]

and if it doesnt, the utah wastes stam and often gets bitten to death

[urban flax]

Are you two really arguing wether Utah 1v1 vs carno is balanced
If it is, then it needs serious balancing

[vestal cloak]

It’s not balanced. I’m not arguing that. It’s clearly in favor for Carno at the moment but with update it should be a bit more balanced.

[limber hull]

i dont know if that's a good thing lmao

[vestal cloak]

Carno will take more bleed and pounce will actually work hopefully.

Once pounce is fixed it should really just be a matter of skill for the raptor to land the pounce

[limber hull]

okay, but still, is raptor being viable in a 1v1 against a carno good

[vestal cloak]

Nah, never said in a 1v1. Utah is a pack animal. It needs a pack to thrive.

[lucid mauve]

lol utah should have nothing on a carno in 1v1. Unless its huge skill diffrence

[lapis swallow]

Carno is a midtier, of course its gonna be stronger

[vestal cloak]

A Carno should be scared to try to take on a pack of carnos. A pack of utahs should be a threat to even mid tiers

A singular Utah shouldn’t be much of a threat to most things bigger than it. A pack of utahs should definitely be a threat

[lapis swallow]

Yes

But a 1 vs 1 should be strongly carno sided

[vestal cloak]

I don’t think anyone here is arguing a 1v1 should be Utah sided

[jagged jewel]

@oak marsh this already happens if the water is deep enough

and i disagree, if a creature is somewhat large, it should take default damage

[oak marsh]

yeah say it’s a stego or something i can’t see them surviving so i kinda left it open in that aspect

[burnt bone]

Water can sometimes save you, but 90% of situations the water isnt deep enough to help. A river won't save your 8ton deino from hitting the bottom.

especially since most drops are like 30ft

[jagged jewel]

only areas around the coast are deep enough for that

actually if you divebomb anywhere decently deep as a ptera in the ocean you survive

you might drown because you won't make it to the surface on time tho

[oak marsh]

hmmmmmm in this case i might the delete the feedback then, i didn’t know it was already really considered

yea, i’ll just check it out another time

[vestal cloak]

@solid wedge those “safe drinking areas” are getting fixed with the update. They were never intended.

[solid wedge]

ah good

[worn pumice]

yo they're actually eating it now finally

[tight oxide]

@light ore wth would a rex or brachi be running from a utah

[light ore]

True

[tight oxide]

also alt attacks do that rn ingame so....

best to leave the movement how it is already

[burnt bone]

@native pollen we already have AI fish, and spino, sucho, bary, austro, and deinocherius have been confirmed in the future.

[icy lion]

As well as beipi and minmi

[native pollen]

Any like mostly aquatic sea dinos?

[icy lion]

No

[native pollen]

Like nothosaurus?

[burnt bone]

how could I forget those 2

[native pollen]

Oh

[burnt bone]

Our ocean has a little to small impact on the rest of the ecosystem, coasts don't have much to begin with. So anything fully aquatic would be FAR in the future and likely on a different map

[native pollen]

Ok good point

But that kind of dino species would be enjoyable to a degree shudders in mosa and megalodon

[burnt bone]

If they make a map that involves the ocean much more, then I could see stuff like that being added.

[tight oxide]

isla spero would be a nice map for an ocean expansion

[maiden anvil]

Seems like my suggestion isn’t very liked. Mind if I ask why? Note that I’m not mad in any way that it’s not going great. Just curious to know why

[tight oxide]

I think its because if you are missing even one diet then you are at a big disadvantage?

also afk growing will be easier if you only go for protein

[limber hull]

just sounds like everyone will go for protein, yea

why bother with anything else

[maiden anvil]

Alright then it’s understandable. Thank you for responding

[urban flax]

What even is muscle building ?

[maiden anvil]

I thought someone would ask that and honestly, I’m not even sure my self

Should I remove the suggestion and improve it?

[urban flax]

You can edit it

[maiden anvil]

That’s true

[urban flax]

The easiest thing you could do to fix it would be to spread growth bonus among all three nutrients

So diets stay the same in regards to afk growing, but you can still get different benefits depending on which nutrient you max up

[maiden anvil]

1 sec…

[tight oxide]

imo

I liked the idea that someone said where harder to get foods would give more than one nutrient tbh

like easiest gave one and medium 2 and hardest gave all 3

just makes killing something tough as hell as a carnivore more rewarding or finding that one plant more rewarding

might even encourage more exploration for said things

[urban flax]

Yeah but it still needs to make sense regarding the animal's diet

Killing a deino would be very hard to do for a ptera, doesn't mean pteras should be actively encouraged to go and try to kill deinos

[tight oxide]

could also be hardest to find in ptera case?

not always harder to kill

[maiden anvil]

Alright peeps, I’ve done some improvements that could make it better. Tell me what you think of it now

[urban flax]

Not a fan of diets affecting damage and movement speed

[maiden anvil]

I only added it because I saw Kissen say something about it in a previous Dev blog

I could be wrong however

[tight oxide]

maybe change it to stamina regen for carbs?

[maiden anvil]

No

[urban flax]

If it's something a dev talked about, why would you suggest it ? It means they most likely already had the idea

[tight oxide]

would be at a big disadvantage compared to something else that has carbs if you are missing carbs

I mean like more pounce time or more charge time...

less stamina for bucking

[maiden anvil]

Hmmm… this was trickier then I thought lol

Perhaps it’s just in general a bad idea

Although I think there’s no point of improving it. Imma let it be there so the devs know what not to add

[tight oxide]

XD

your idea isnt that bad, just has some flaws

[maiden anvil]

A lot of flaws apparently lol

[tight oxide]

for me its only the carbs

[maiden anvil]

Fair enough

[tight oxide]

but devs do plan on changing the diet system more so who knows..

[maiden anvil]

Yeah and I think it’s for the better that they do so. I personally think not having all 3 diets should be bad for the player. Basically, make it harsher

[limber hull]

nests :)

[deep matrix]

@burnt bone if there is anything your curious or confused about my idea I can clear it up if you want

[burnt bone]

I just use that emote as "intersting concept, but not sure how it would work out in game" type of thing. A bite that deals fracture, knockdown, and has more damage than pachy's ram seems like a better pachy with none of its downsides.

[deep matrix]

That ain’t a bite

Think of it like a leopard drop down

You drop from a short tree Herrera style, land on the target, if it’s under 500kg you knock it down. Either way if you land on it you bite and fracture it

[burnt bone]

ok thats more understandable then, I thought you mean it just runs up to things and bullies them.

[deep matrix]

Nah

[burnt bone]

I also don't see what would make it different from herrera then, other than being fracture based rather than... whatever herrera will do.

it seems like herrera but better at killing small game, which is likely what herrera will likely be attacking most the time

[deep matrix]

Herrera is more mobile, and flesh grazes with it, and ain’t as good a fighter

[burnt bone]

so, its herrera +fracture +stronger but -mobility -flesh grazing
Seems like the more optimal pick overall to me. Its just better at ambushing, which is herrera's job

because fractures are honestly op, they're only balanced by the fact that the dinos that use them are generally slow and lack heavy damage.

ino seems to not care about speed, since it ambushes you, and has damage to kill things.

pachy in the forest, ino jumps it, pachy gets a rib or leg fracture, now it can't run or fight back and essentially dies because it didnt look up.

[deep matrix]

Here is the kicker, inos climbing stam is ass

And he can’t really do well if he misses that drop

[burnt bone]

A fracture carnivore could be interesting, but not with heavy fracture damage on an ambush move

[deep matrix]

The fractures are there so it can actually secure the kill

Because everything else in its tier aside from maybe minmi and Ava out speed it

[burnt bone]

How bad is that climbing stam, because there is going to be a VERY thin line between unable to hunt anything and able to hunt everything. Plus, if you manage to miss the ambush, now you're stuck and out of stam, so you just die.

[deep matrix]

The climbing stam just to get into an acacia tree takes half your stam

Which is why he is able to hunt from the ground and from tree ambush equally, on the ground it’s an endurance hunter

[burnt bone]

Personally, I just feel that it will be incredibly hard to balance something that can climb, ambush, and deal heavy fracture damage. take away one of those and you would be fine.

[deep matrix]

The climbing is mainly a defense tool, ambush just makes it more worth it to use

[burnt bone]

endurance hunting fracture damage could be fine, but i don't like ambushing from trees with fracture damage.

Plus, both those playstyles directly clash with each other and end up making the dino op, or just garbage. That means you have to be able to both basically 1-shot something AND be able to just run it down, which doesn't seem fair

If its only endurance hunter would make it essentially a fracture utah, which could be interesting. You essentially have to slowly fracture and whittle down the opponent. However, fracture, high damage, and ambush don't work out too well imo.

[deep matrix]

Issue is, and you have to remember this

Everything in its tier is taller, faster, and has ways to kill it damn near instantly

Utah can pin and murder it, pachy can beat its head in, dilo is dilo, troodon pairs can give it trouble

And everything probably put speeds or tanks it

Like minmi probably tanks it, same with Ava

And everything larger than dilo just laughs at it

He is a small, slow fucker

What you see on that image, is all he can really scare aside from babies and humans

[burnt bone]

it just sounds like a small climbing deino, and I already hate deino. The only counterplay is to avoid it or be bigger than it, and the only way it survives is by someone being unaware. So, if its weaker than everything unless it essentially 1-shots them, its just a more specialized herrera.

[deep matrix]

He needs the endurance to actually chase prey, but the ambush is a good tool if you don’t want to play a game of “sniff the foot print”

And you can still be a threat, with the charge up bite

Just without the ambush you ain’t hunting shit like pachy dilo or Ava

Like, ever

Your basically a fracture tah still

Just your pounce only works from a tree

[burnt bone]

You keep seeming to contradict yourself and its playstyle contradicts itself. It has to be able to cripple and essentially 1-shot everything it hunts, but still able to chase things, yet still lose to them in a head-on fight? Like, I can understand parts of it, but everything together is a bit too much. I personally dislike the "fracture herrera" playstyle because it seems a bit too strong and is a bit too close to herrera's niche. I'm fine with it being a fracture utah and endurance hunter.

However, it shouldn't be able to run you down, ambush from a tree, and fracture. That gives it way too many options and negates the main weaknesses of creatures with fracture: low mobility and raw damage.

[deep matrix]

Doesn’t pachy disprove the whole “fracture critters aren’t mobile” thing

And the only things it can really fight evenly, are Herrera, dryo, rugops, raui possibly, and bebes

[burnt bone]

its decently slow for its size

[deep matrix]

It can literally out run Utah in the st

Or it could

The only shit it can’t fight evenly, are Utah if it gets pounced, pachy, and dilo

And Ava

[burnt bone]

Haven't seen how much stam it gets in the ST.

all i know is that its more

[deep matrix]

And it doesn’t NEED a one shot to kill prey

Hell it can’t one shot anything on that screen

200n at MOST puts a herrera near dead, and only halves a pachy a bit and does a chunk of damage to dilo

And it can use the fracture charge up after to finish it off since that takes a bit to get off

[limber hull]

adult pachy is slower than adult utah

[burnt bone]

plus fracture, which makes any of them unable to run or fight

that is a 1-shot in my mind

[deep matrix]

That moment when stuff rn when fractured can still fight

[limber hull]

poorly, but yes

[deep matrix]

I’ve seen Utahs who have fractured bodies and heads still kill stuff, same with carno

Fracture ain’t an instant death now, it’s just a debuff to assist

And again, his ambush is negated by just, looking up

[burnt bone]

pachy? rib breaks stop charged ram and leg just makes it unable to attack or move. Utah with rib fracture now has to fight ino, which that can fracture it again, and a leg fracture just makes it unable to run from ino.

[deep matrix]

And ino in return can get one shot by the pounce

And pachy has the alt attack knock down

[burnt bone]

I HATE playstlyes like that. Deino is bad enough, we don't need another animal that works too well when something is clueless and is useless when something sees it.

[limber hull]

just seems like herrera again but with more annoying shit

[deep matrix]

Have you even read the stats

[limber hull]

yes

(also that's not how bleed and damage works)

[burnt bone]

so, it has to rely on getting a leg fracture on anything, or having its prey be small enough to just 1-shot.

that just seems unfun for both parties imo

I'm fine with fracture carni, I'm fine with it being an endurance hunter, I'm fine with it being able to climb to escape, but I really dislike it being able to ambush from the trees ontop of all of this

[limber hull]

ino has twice the health of a herrera, really good damage, the ability to pin 500kg or below creatures, better NV than utah, fractures, bleed, so on

[deep matrix]

Not pin, knock down

Aka, you can get right back up

And the bleed is universal for all carnis

Even shit that doesn’t need it like deino has it

[limber hull]

wdym

[deep matrix]

Deino does minor bleed with its bite, I’ve had it happen when fighting carnos in testing with pals

[limber hull]

(also bleed values are directly tied to damage values, there's no independent bleed values with an attack outside of utah's pounce)

if an attack does 60 damage, it will do bleed proportional to a 60 damage attack

[burnt bone]

all carnis have bleed, but they all have it directly tied to the amount of damage they do. (except utah pounce)

[deep matrix]

Which is imo stupid

Hence why I changed it on the stat table to be very minor bleed and not 60n worth

[limber hull]

why not keep it consistent

[deep matrix]

Because the fact how much damage you deal means how much bleed is dumb

I literally just said I found that system stupid

Because that would make shit like rex god bleeders

[limber hull]

(to anything they don't instantly kill in a single hit)

also probably not to apexes

stego, for example, has the highest bleed attack in the game with the thagomizers, but i rarely see anyone actually care about the bleed, just the raw damage

[burnt bone]

like carno, carno does some decent bleed (a bit too much imo but oh well) but it isnt a bleeder, it kills with raw damage

[limber hull]

also bleed is unique in that it has tons of unique counterplay. You won't die to bleed if you know how to avoid it

[worn pumice]

That’s something I always found strange

It’s bleed should be massive even more so then just raw dps

[barren crater]

True

I wonder if carno can now bleed out from a stego hit

I don't really remember ever bleeding out from 1 stego hit, even while trotting a bit. Although maybe constant running could

[burnt bone]

i never thought about that interaction
(granted, headshot is still a 1-shot)

[barren crater]

So now it's more susceptible to bleed hmmm

[worn pumice]

Time to find out

Soon™️

[solid wedge]

Alligator nest in the everglades to show my idea

[urban flax]

<@&933486433342222376> I think this feedback kind of breaks the server rules (not to mention it's not particularly useful)
https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/996075560314880002

[icy lion]

@covert nest #phase-two-archive message

[barren zephyr]

Wth the point of teeth shape ppl barely focus on it or see it at all why bother putting money jnto something that u cant see unless u guys mean lips for dinosaurs but than that no

[valid elk]

What do you lads think about the venom idea?

[urban flax]

@rotund shadow Tarbo isn't in the game. As for the other ones, they are sandbox-only dinos. As the name implies, you can only play them in sandbox servers, or if an admin injects you as one in an unofficial survival server.
And if someone asks you to pay real money in order to play as one, REFUSE.

[urban flax]

Would make sense
But balance-wise troodon or dilo being immune to their own venom would need to be debated upon imo

[rotund shadow]

ok thanks

[valid elk]

True...though they wouldn't be immune to each others venom. Troodon vs Dilophosaurus is venom fights

[urban flax]

I didn't mention that

[valid elk]

No, I know

I am just saying

[urban flax]

But for example if dilo (for any reason) ends up being a cannibal it could be funny that it is vulnerable to its own venom

Or if troodon massive packs end up being too effective despite inflicting venom bites on each other all the time, making troodon vulnerable to its own venom would solve the issue

[valid elk]

Ooh

[timid fractal]

Yo is the qa branch out?

[limber hull]

no

@low bluff good news, its planned!

hypsi is a confirmed climber

[low bluff]

oo thats cool:D

lol should i delete that then

[limber hull]

nah, its fine

your choice

[low bluff]

alr

[lapis swallow]

@lilac kestrel this is not the place to say yo

[lilac kestrel]

Sheet my bad sry

[lapis swallow]

Just delete it, its fine

[lapis swallow]

@real girder could you please explain what do you want to get nerfed and why?

[jagged jewel]

@unreal ridge para is a large tier

[lapis swallow]

Explain yourself in feedback

[topaz pendant]

@queen lance your idea on territory is amazing but irl apexes hunt within their territory and even if you could use the entire map of isla spiro idk if enough herbis or carnis will walk into YOUR territory to keep you alive. also nesting will be a bit more complicated since if another dinosaur the opposite sex of you walks into your territory you would have to be notified to stop you from instantly killing them

i would love to see something like that ingame tho

[queen lance]

well apexes would protect their territory from other apexes so a herbi could enter there for """protection""" since there would be less dangers

[topaz pendant]

also im guessing you can see your territory and not other herbis and apex's. but i don't see if how taking and loosing space and setting a territory would work without basically showing you where other players are

[queen lance]

well it could notify you that something entered your territory but not tell you what entered

and well since the apex would need to mark a tree,if you see a marked tree it would mean ur close to an apex territory

[topaz pendant]

but when setting your territory do you say that you can see other peoples so you dont take theirs. or if you claim a territory over someone else's they will be notified that they are losing theirs to provoke more conflict?

or you claim it without knowing its someone's else's

[queen lance]

ye u get notified that someone is stealing your territory i guess

[topaz pendant]

possibly the older your dino is the more territory you can claim so this stops like 80% vulnerable apex's from taking 100% strong apex's territory?

[topaz pendant]

this can become a weakness, if you are losing your territory to 2 dinos at the same time its hard to deal with that while trying to get water food and looking after offspring

[queen lance]

well yeah kinda the point, would be risky to see what entered your territory

[topaz pendant]

it would be good feature to add if you go into someone else's territory they can see where you are at all times but you cannot see where they are it can stop people from avidly taking territory and they would only do it if they really need it

[queen lance]

naah that would be too op it should show you from where the dino entered the territory and thats it

[barren zephyr]

Does anyone know how to fix the settings for legacy? My files where done like the video I saw had, I fixed everything else on setting for legacy but bite or attack. I can’t get it to work

Everything worked good until I clicked reset controls in the settings for legacy and now some things won’t work like escape or attack for either one. I can’t sit with H either

[icy lion]

#🔧-legacy-troubleshooting-🔧 pins

[latent cargo]

I love the territory idea, but imo the map needs to be a bit bigger and more diverse. That way the plants that territorial herbis need for their diet is in a closer cluster of biomes, and that way territorial carnis don't need to cover half the map to get the diets they need. Win/win, and it would make more functional/densely populated ecosystems.

[valid zephyr]

@prisma stump all the hidden cliffs are pain

[proud coral]

Hidden cliffs would be more okay if I could actually see up ahead and not be blinded by constant foliage

[worn pumice]

nvm

was gonna ping mods

[latent cargo]

They should make it patches of ultra dense foliage rather than the entire jungle being covered by it...

[proud coral]

👍

[latent cargo]

@limber hull Definitely agree. I'm concerned that even in (I believe) Bary's concept art it was shown overpowering a Dieno... I can't tell if it's because in the concept art the focus dino is the "protagonist" and has plot armor or if this is really hinting at the power dynamic.

[limber hull]

its really concerning imho, it feels like they haven't at all planned out potential engagements where the deino is utterly useless

not every deino will be in a long river with deep water

if the game plans to have a diverse and complex map and ecosystem, there will be lakes, rivers and more

and areas where droughts will trap aquatics

because its pretty evident a deino is NOT outrunning a spino on land, and not every water source has an escape plan so it has to be able to defend itself

[latent cargo]

Exactly, and Dieno isn't going to be the only thing in the water forever. If Bary alone can overpower it, it's pretty much dead if it sees a Sucho or as you said a Spino... Plus Spoons used to have okay stam in Legacy, and if it has more stam than Dieno (which it likely will)...

[limber hull]

i dont know how to feel about the bary thing. Deino will ABSOLUTELY be able to grab a bary, that much is given seeing the bary's weight, but the concept art is super weird

[latent cargo]

Hopefully that's just plot armor because Bary was the focus lol

[limber hull]

hopefully lmao

[latent cargo]

But yeah some rebalances are going to have to be done when bigger apexes come out later. Otherwise Spoon is just going to become the way better Dieno

That or later apexes carnis would have comparable bite force to Dieno... which I don't know how I feel about with how it handles Steg atm

[limber hull]

ideally, i'd like deino to have the second best bite to rex

[latent cargo]

That'd make the most sense to me at least. Crocs can kill cape buffalo today, imagine the bite force of a croc that could have been double the size of the largest recorded crocodile to date

[proud coral]

I like the idea of the bite being 2nd best in the future.

"But wait that just makes it water Rex!"

Step 1. 🚶‍♂️ 🐊 There ya go. If it ain't grabbing ya, literally just walk the opposite direction.

And if you're swimming, well why are you swimming in waters that hold an 8 ton alligator?

Like I totally understand arguments against a higher bite force and fractures and whatnot for Deino and the whole "balance over realism thing", but not letting Deino have these things is the same as Rex or Anky not dealing fractures in my eyes.

[limber hull]

if spino outbites deino i will fucking scream

[latent cargo]

Interestingly (at least according to national geographic), Dieno had just under double a T. Rex's bite force

102,750 newtons, compared to 57,000 newtons of a T. Rex

[limber hull]

but in the isle, it's okay to have rex still be the king imho

[proud coral]

The way I see it panning out if it got a MUCH higher bite force + fractures, I do not see it instantly crippling you from just one bite. Nasty fractures, yes. But you can still literally just

🚶‍♂️

[latent cargo]

I was more or less finding it interesting, not that it has to be that way "BeCAusE ReAlISM"... Though that is true, once Dieno runs out of stam it's pretty much done chasing you

[proud coral]

And I would 100% be okay with and even prefer a slower bite if needed

[latent cargo]

^ I agree with that, crocs (and Dieno given the balance currently) can't bite very quickly and have to be precise. They can't really charge and bite as easily either due to stam restraints

[proud coral]

Another idea for Deino's bite is to just make it charged, with the uncharged being current bite and charged being nasty, but it takes time to ready, takes a chunk of stam, and again, you can just

🚶‍♂️

Punish those who try to walk up to the living bear trap 😛

Could even make Deino vs Deino a bit more interesting

[limber hull]

true, i really like the idea of a hyper-territorial deino that very evidently wants you to leave

deino, imho, should be a territorial and controlling animal

[proud coral]

Mmmhm. Area denial basically 😛

Plus it'd also just....look cool honestly 😄 Seeing it hold it's mouth open and hissing at you. Basically what Cerato did in it's video but....alligator

[latent cargo]

There you go! Keep it a devastating ambush predator without necessarily one tapping Utahs and such

[limber hull]

it has two states, ambush and defensive

if it fails the ambush or can't ambush, it will play defensively. It can't use a charge bite offensively, but will fuck you up if you get near its water. Would def make stegos leave it alone WITHOUT making deino capable of effectively "hunting" it

[proud coral]

👏

[worn pumice]

[limber hull]

because frankly, deino should not hunt apexes, it should just get apexes to fuck off and leave it alone

[proud coral]

💯

[limber hull]

if the apex keeps prodding the big angry gator, then they deserve it, but by all accounts, they can leave

[latent cargo]

Agreed, it'd be really weird to watch it drag a Rex into the depths XD

[proud coral]

Living bear trap. If you see it, just walk away. If you walk into it....

Why did you walk into it

[worn pumice]

I mean wouldn’t deino have the upper hand anyways fighting spino

[limber hull]

not based on how the animal is described

spino just... wins against deino

[worn pumice]

Well if the spino in game truly doesn’t swim and instead walks on the floor I don’t see how it could fight a deino in the water

[proud coral]

"Hey I know you're essentially confined into the water and are super vulnerable on land, but I can go on both and will kill you in your element."

👈

[limber hull]

if the water is too shallow, or too confined, it can chip away at the deino, especially in enclosed water sources like lakes

[worn pumice]

i def agree that spino shouldnt be winning in both areas outstandingly without giving deino some compromise

[worn pumice]

yes this is what im mainly worried about if spino simply wins everytime

[latent cargo]

The issue is if a Dieno is in, say, one of the swamps and a Spoon rolls up- the spoon can leave the fight whenever and the Dieno can't... It's concerning is all. Plus concept art showing Bary beating up a Dieno like ???

[proud coral]

Like how would Spino even fight it in the water? Swing it's claws? The massive, heavy claws underwater? 😮

[worn pumice]

wait bary beating up deino?

[proud coral]

I think it was just smacking it. Plus it looked very small.

Bary is basically a cat

[latent cargo]

I sure hope so, lol

[worn pumice]

i like the jaguar bary playstyle

[latent cargo]

They need to add more waterways before they add too many more semi aquatics though... And need to iron out diets imo

[worn pumice]

maybe make it so that spino has less bite force then deino and cant swing its claws while in water or under it

they need to add actual proper rivers and water path ways with actual debris and other foliage

[proud coral]

Spino bite killing Deino before it could kill Spino would be

Q u I Te concerning.

[latent cargo]

That'd make sense- Spoon's claws certainly would be able to skim the water for fish, but I don't see them working well under water

[worn pumice]

if we make it so that deino can outbite spino in water it might help the match up

hopefully spino doesnt have more bite force then deino

[proud coral]

Also if Deino does not get fractures in the future, I will be v e r y disgruntled.

[worn pumice]

that would be neat

[latent cargo]

Lol it really should get fractures... Death rolls would be really cool too

[proud coral]

"Doesn't fit it's playstyle"

1. gator.
2. gator.
3. Defensive playstyle. Ya know, like a gator.

👀

🐊

[worn pumice]

its slow as hell i doubt even with fractures u couldnt run away unless ur like stego

[proud coral]

With the proposal I have for it, even Stego could.

Gonna have a nasty head fracture, but you can move.

[worn pumice]

oh ye head fracture it should be fine

[proud coral]

Heck even if ye got the leg, I don't see it doing MAX fracture in just one bite to a Stego. Depends on how severities work I guess.

[worn pumice]

although apexes r fine since they can just bully deino from actually killing them

i kinda wish fractures were more dynamic

[latent cargo]

Exactly, I think the only time a Dieno would be able to kill an apex would be if it was just out of a fight

[proud coral]

Severities are still confirmed to come later on so that'll help

[latent cargo]

Good good

[worn pumice]

[proud coral]

I had asked Punch not tooooo long ago and he said ye :3

[worn pumice]

[latent cargo]

Thank god, still don't know how I feel about baby Pachy bonking a full adult Carno and full on breaking the Carno's leg XD

[proud coral]

[latent cargo]

Tbf Carnos are notoriously the absolute worst and I hope Cera/Dilo bully the hell out of it... But come on XD

[worn pumice]

🦵

[latent cargo]

Pretty much lmao

[worn pumice]

tfw the largest and strongest land carnivore in the game is also the fastest

[limber hull]

tfw even when cera and dilo are added, the largest and strongest land carnivore in the game is also the fastest

[worn pumice]

oh wait i forgot that carno is stronger then them too lol

damn so were still gonna have carno as apex for awhile

[latent cargo]

Imo they should have gone with Cera before Carno, and something like Para, Maia, or Dibble before Stego to avoid getting too big too fast... Because Utahs kinda just- can't do anything

[worn pumice]

i still wish kentro was added instead

[latent cargo]

Not against Carno I mean 👀

Saaaaaaame

[worn pumice]

although in a way if u added deino and with nothing to check it they would just waltz wherever they want

[latent cargo]

True, but now the land dinos have to suffer Stego's tyranny XD

[worn pumice]

true but at least u can run away from stego pretty easily

[latent cargo]

True true

[worn pumice]

this is actually a great method to defeat most apexes

especially herbivore apexes

[latent cargo]

Just- walk in the opposite direction lol

[worn pumice]

yup lol

[latent cargo]

More of the issue for me is mixherding, which is totally fine... Usually... Until you have nothing to hunt the apex herbi in the game yet

[worn pumice]

mix herding becomes a problem when u have multiple herbivores which can defend themselves grouping together becoming basically unstoppable

its the same as mix packing

they all cover each others weaknesses thus making the herd impossible to get through

[latent cargo]

Yep. Realistically you do not see large herbivores of different species grouped together like that

[worn pumice]

mix herding and mix packing really sucks cuz any chance u might have is taken away due to the fact that any disadvantages the other dino has is now covered by the other dinosaur that it is mix packing with

[latent cargo]

^^^

[barren crater]

@weak vapor Rather than a run and swing, I think a trot and swing makes more sense. In any case, stego won't need that just yet. Although I hope it's possible in the future.

[worn pumice]

stress tester 5

[latent cargo]

Idk, they need to find a way to keep certain dinos in a smaller ecosystem (likely using diets), so you don't end up with these extreme mixherds like in both versions of The Isle and in BoB... Not so small that it lets those dinos essentially AFK grow or that the area becomes overpopulated, obviously

[barren crater]

yes

[worn pumice]

[weak vapor]

yeah i was thinking it shouldnt just stop. it gives a chance for its opponent to just get away leaving the stego more vulnerable. like in legacy, the only way to really kill an apex is to chase it down(minus giga if its in ambush). ik evrima stego is nothing like legacy stego, but i still think its unfair the stego just stops before it can actually swing. idk how the apex carnis will work in evrima, but stego will be very vulnerable if it cant move and swing

[worn pumice]

yes i think through diets this can be lessened, it wont ever be entirely cured but it can at least be much less prominent

[barren crater]

Absolutely agree. Stego will definitely need to move and swing. Since an apex carni will likely be faster and have higher HP. Imagine a giga just running up and constantly biting a stegos head since it can tank the swing and get the 2x damage to the head.

[latent cargo]

Once we get more dinos in the roster I think adding "microecosystems" would add to the diversity of playstyles. Some dinos don't really give one where they live as long as they have food and water, while others have different spots around the map that are suitable habitats, and may need to migrate between them when resources run low. This can also help with overpopulation maybe?

[visual dust]

tbh that's actually a pretty cool idea for differentiating between similar speicies

for example paras habitat is one part of the map, teno in another, shant in another

[worn pumice]

i think semi aquatics is a good way to start for these smaller ecosystems between the larger picture such as having underwater plants as a diet and other things such as that

[latent cargo]

Personally I think the land should be sorted out before the water is filled up with dinos, at least until there is enough space for all these different species of semi aquatics... We just don't have diversity atm and we -really- need it

[worn pumice]

waiting for perks and elders to maybe have some end goals for dinos as well so u dont have to only be a complete killing machine

[latent cargo]

Truuueee

[worn pumice]

speaking of they should add specific actions to certain dinosaurs that can give a small buff like diets such as say a stego maybe sharpening its tail spikes or pachy play fighting another pachy

just something else other then once u hit adult the only thing u can do is kill

[latent cargo]

Another thing that could be interesting is certain dinos needing quests to unlock, I mean it sounds like Hypos are going to be like that already... Though that could be really annoying, especially if you grow the unlocked dino and find you don't even like it

[worn pumice]

hypers r gonna be pain to balance

[latent cargo]

No kidding... Hopefully those are a looong ways off

[worn pumice]

becuz they're meant to be unbalanced so its a weird thing

cannibals and other things r very far away

they should focus on filling out the roster and improving all the base mechanics as they continue forward once the base mechanics r in

[latent cargo]

Like really what it sounds like is the game will favor the no-lifers once the Hypos come out, unless they can balance the Hypos somehow

[worn pumice]

interested in seeing how they can find a balance between hypers

also most ppl who hear a large hyper can always just log off

[latent cargo]

But what I really need in my life... 👏 Jazz. Kick. Of. Death. 👏

I want Galli back, and maybe not completely useless now XD

But really tho... It'd be funny if all the Hypos died of starvation due to people just logging off lol

[worn pumice]

galli is surpringly large ngl it wouldnt fair very well in combat ofc but

[latent cargo]

It's a naked ostrich wdymmmm?

[worn pumice]

like a galli probably isnt gonna kick utahs to death

[latent cargo]

... Okay not against something like a Carno, but that kick would not feel nice against a Utah

[worn pumice]

def it would hurt but its just not built the same

like pachy and galli r essentially the same weight yet pachy has a much more different way of approaching things then galli

its all about how the dinosaur is meant to be played

[latent cargo]

Bruh I think Google is on crack, was looking up Pachy weight and it said between 66-2,200 lbs....

That is not a small gap!?

[worn pumice]

29 kg and 997 kg lol

that is the largest pachy ive ever heard of

500 kg is the max estimate for now

[latent cargo]

Regardless, modern day ostriches weigh between 140-320 lbs, and have a kick force of about 2,000 lbs per square inch... They are 8 feet tall including their neck, about 5 feet excluding. Do I think scaling that up a Galli could kill a Utah 1v1? Absolutely not. Do I think a herd of them could? Absolutely yes. Realistically though I think they're meant to be annoying little suckers that steals everyone's eggs

[worn pumice]

i feel like a herd of most things out play a single dinosaur but strictly for balance reasons a galli should be losing to a utah in a 1v1 in most situations

[latent cargo]

Lol, idk a pack of 4 Utahs got wiped out by a single Pachy XD

[worn pumice]

exactly cuz pachy is a different animal especially with how its played (also 4 utahs losing to one pachy is kind of sad on their part)

galli is supposedly an egg stealer that can run for miles and can use its agility to escape pretty much all threats

[latent cargo]

Firstly I wasn't saying because Pachy can do it Galli should be able to as well... Secondly, I never argued against you that Pachy is a different dino, I was making fun of the "well usually more dinos wins when in the same weight class"... Thirdly yes they have a "much more different way" about dealing with threats, no one said otherwise. I literally likened the Galli's playstyle to that of an ostrich and little egg thieves. What I was trying to say with Galli is due to it's speed and maneuverability a good Galli player was able to jazz kick smaller dinos like Utah off the census, not that it was easy but that doing it was fun.

[worn pumice]

no i got all that but its the last part i was mainly talking about. Galli cant be faster then utah while also having the upperhand

whether its fun or not is ofc up to the player but for balance reasons it shouldnt be happening

[valid zephyr]

@weak vapor I'd like stegos to have a walking and trotting tail flick. But not a running one.

I don't think the moving tail flick is needed right yet. But will certainly be needed when larger carnivores are in.

[jagged jewel]

realistically a galli's kick would disembowel our utah

a galli kicks with the force of a horse + those claws

but of course this is a game and it needs to be balanced

although i think you're really underestimating galli

the sheer size advantage alone is good for a fight with a utah

[lapis swallow]

Im wondering if galli will be lighter than utah tho

The utah was shown pinning a galli

[jagged jewel]

no

galli is bigger than pachy by like 10 kg

[limber hull]

galli bigger

[jagged jewel]

they might have a special interaction though, but galli is def bigger

[lapis swallow]

I can see utah pinning galli

[jagged jewel]

i guess

but if so it's an exception to the "only pins smaller animals" rule

[uneven mist]

@brazen quiver theri is planned to be playable and we have a new model and skin for it

[brazen quiver]

Oh nice!

[uneven mist]

Here it is

[brazen quiver]

Damn that looks good

[jagged jewel]

@ivory lion what would it do

[ivory lion]

i dont have any ideas for abilities

[jagged jewel]

Then it wouldn’t fit

the small roster is too saturated

[uneven mist]

@tiny compass sauropods are planned, those are magy, diplodocus(mabye), brontosaurus(mabye), Camarasaurus and brachiosaurus

[tiny compass]

That’s wonderful news

Huge deep lakes/rivers and why not the possibility of getting out to the ocean with all kind of things to eat and dangers as well, a true habitat for deinos

[solid wedge]

@pure sleet Like this?

[pure sleet]

that would be great, of course only areas with standing water should be like this

[livid elm]

@zealous stone you may just not be logging correctly and getting eaten or otherwise dieing. Are you waiting for the time out?

@tiny compass we need lazy river back :(

[uneven mist]

We just need better rivers overall

[livid elm]

God yes

[zealous stone]

I slept

And ran into no issues doing so

[livid elm]

Like could imagine sucho or spino in current rivers? Absolutly garbage

Hm. I'd report the glitch then

There's a submission form

[zealous stone]

I lost an 100% deino

[livid elm]

Don't just put it in suggestions

You need to submit it. Preferably with video of you logging and going back in to no dino

[zealous stone]

I wasn't exactly recording myself logging out, and I have no idea how to recreate it or if it even can be done intentionally.

[livid elm]

You could still put the glitch report in. Just add as much detail as possible. We're you were. What server. Date. Dino growth ect

[tiny compass]

Also like that 👍

[ruby eagle]

@ivory lion I think you should have add the spino ability where they put there snout in the water and wait for fish to go by and spino can grab the fish and eat it I think you should have added that

[lapis swallow]

And the idea of the sharpening thing is generaly flawed

[lucid mauve]

They said in some earlier stream it gonna have an ability to grab and twist the skull of others dinos

[worn pumice]

not saying galli will be fodder but again for balance you cannot have galli be faster and more agile then utah while also having the advantage that is not good balancing

[jagged jewel]

yes that's what i said

also galli does have advantages

a lot of them

those being size/hp, speed, agility

[lapis swallow]

Dirt

[worn pumice]

thats fine we can make it a more balanced match up rather then being one sided