general-feedback-discussion

[brazen inlet]

@clever lagoon you found the answer of dlss? If no your graphic card are 1660 and dlss only in rtx 2000 and 3000 series

[brazen inlet]

Is it work or only turn on without different

When you use dlss in other games it do different?

[brazen inlet]

Idk thats strange

[cyan flame]

@slim thunder Make attacks cost double stamina when you're deep enough to walk/"wade". That way you can defend yourself as stego as long as you don't get deep enough, but if you're trying to fish for deinos, you're going to run out of stam a lot faster.

[slim thunder]

yeah that would be good too

[proven river]

@magic crow The diabloceratops concept was already released dude

[eternal owl]

@pure quiver that’s awfully similar to the ‘vault’ in Isles of Yore

[pure quiver]

The Isle is pretty much the only dino survival game I have or know well, I know about Beasts of Bermuda, but never played it...

So... I guess I just didnt know such a quality of life mechanic doesnt exist in The Isle but in nother games?

[eternal owl]

I know, I wouldn’t expect like anyone to know Isles of Yore, just wanted to point out someone has implemented that idea into a game! Very cool!

[pure quiver]

Oh! yeah. To me it feels kinda silly that an adult Carno cant step over a log or a short ledge in order to not starve to death (It happened to me at the docks on Evrima, lol)

[eternal owl]

Yeah it’s very annoying

[peak quail]

Can we have 2 times of the day for different timezone country's where Offical admins can decicate atleast 2hrs in total every 2nd day to help people in discord that are stuck and requring freeing, as of late i am noticing a patern where admins are unable to do there job noticing alot of people are stuck doing this would allow for resources to be more diligently put out, and sparing more time for everyone!

[solemn holly]

Can we have 2 times of the day for different timezone country's where Offical admins can decicate atleast 2hrs in total every 2nd day to help people in discord that are stuck and requring freeing, as of late i am noticing a patern where admins are unable to do there job noticing alot of people are stuck doing this would allow for resources to be more diligently put out, and sparing more time for everyone!

[tepid gate]

@queen ember I can see that you said that quite a few days ago now but... how do you get almost an entire year without a playable? Pachy was released almost 6 months ago but unless you're rounding up hard it hasn't been quite that(1 year) long.

not that I disagree with the general message of what you're saying, the rate of release of new animals is absolutely atrocious

[last lily]

Is that the real or fake Mr. Cerato?

[limber hull]

@radiant sedge ive noticed it too, a lot of current day isle content is a ton of adult animals going on murderous rampages rather than any of the actual survival aspects. I do somewhat blame a lack of diverse mechanics for this, since you can only make growing so entertaining, but it's gotten to the point that most new Isle content consists of pure slaughter for 10 minutes.

I honestly think this problem can only be fixed through more mechanics that encourage a more survival-based strategy, such as elders, nesting and perks, and can't really be medicated in the game's current state, but I do understand what you mean

[limber hull]

it's very much a limbo atm

[last lily]

Sidenote: yeah I've noticed.. some odd (not actual numbers, just feels like it), 80% of content for the Isle at the moment is entirely focused around combat, and mass slaughter.. or bugs sometimes. Not really the best look for a Survival game, or a survival horror game.. Obviously a reason for that, that being that the only thing to really do right now is PvP, with the survival elements not really doing a whole lot unfortunately.

It's one of those issues that's really hard to fix, because it's largely perceptual and stems from what the game has to offer currently. Maybe down the line there will be less of a slaughter fest majority of content but... only time will tell.

[limber hull]

it's an issue that will fix itself imho, but it is something that should be noted going forward

[last lily]

I feel that... it kind of mostly stems from what the game has to offer and the game's priorities. When those come to fruition, things should in theory set themselves into place.

Hopefully opposition to that change won't cause any huge backlash or what not...-- I don't recall which, but it was either BoB or PoT that has a community that's very hostile to change and the developers wanting to flesh out the game more.. I know it was one of them; just don't know which and I don't feel like diving into their discords to be the sacrificial lamb either.

[limber hull]

i mean, EVRIMA atm has less social/horror features than legacy, but WAYYYY better combat mechanics and unique combat styles, so obviously people will gravitate to the most fleshed out part of the (current) game

[radiant sedge]

I was thinking there could be quite a few suggestions made. I had an "Elders" idea as well where food is more necessary and stamina begins to degrade. The skin of the dinosaur begins turning grey and less colorful. Basically, dying of old age instead of having a "permanent" adult dino.

[limber hull]

elders is planned

[radiant sedge]

awesome

[queen ember]

The U4 stress test was late august I believe. And Pachy was released sometime in September. Which is 4 months away

[tepid gate]

nah, that's incorrect

Pachy was officialy released on 16th of December, it being on the public test branch(where it was released some time in ~October) is irrelevant

[queen ember]

If it was given to the public to test that’s considered a “soft release” I guess. Since anyone was free to go and play it if they wanted

[tepid gate]

no, something is either released or not, Pachy was not released until December

[queen ember]

Tbf barely anyone played on the official version and was just on the stress test a vast majority since it was the better version to play. And therefor almost the entire community got to play it

[tepid gate]

again - irrelevant, just like the fact that the log out bug was fixed on the test branch, it didn't change the fact that the live build of the game was effectively unplayable for 4 months

[queen ember]

Then perhaps a better statement would be it’s been almost a year since the community has been able to play a new creature

But either way you put it, the point still stands

[barren zephyr]

@crude girder I need more of those SD concepts

[crude girder]

I only made the Teno one because I had a clear idea lol

[barren zephyr]

Carno is pretty simple tho

I hope you let me share the artwork of yours

[crude girder]

Sure go for it

[barren zephyr]

How did you do it tho

[nimble nebula]

ive noticed utahraptors pounce is very finicky and glitchy is this known by the devs to be worked on

[uneven mist]

Yes they know about it

[lapis swallow]

Its like one of the most wellknown bugs

Everybody has experienced it once at the minimum

[nimble nebula]

ok good because im so tired of loosing to carnos because my pounce glitched out

lol

[lapis swallow]

Do you mean nesting? @barren zephyr

[barren zephyr]

Yes mechanics like skin and nesting

[lapis swallow]

They had recode everything. Evrima and legacy have entirely different codes

They are different games

And the nesting in evrima will be different

[barren zephyr]

it shouldn't take them 8 months almost a year to create an update for just mechanics we had faster updates before and things goes slower each time we were promised to have faster updates too

[lapis swallow]

Promises can be broken

[uneven mist]

They are a fairly smal team doing complex mechanics so thats Why it takes so long

[tight oxide]

So little devs yet so many pounce bugs

i really wonder how many more pounce bugs we will get once the ik system is released

[barren zephyr]

@crude girder #general-feedback message

Maybe remove also part of the “beak”?

[crude girder]

I did, you might need to be more specific

[barren zephyr]

The keratin tissue that is directly touching the mouth

[pure quiver]

That big stack of rocks that form a sort of cave (-345,-504), why not add some water trickling down into a small pool of drinkable water? It'll add to the soundscape and make it a viable hangout spot with something to look at!

Turn the plains next to the cliffs in central (-284,-383) into a massive lake!

Make the Tripod/Temple Rock (-316,-80) a spring where water trickles over into a mud pool downhill. Making it a wicked hangout spot!

[dusk meteor]

@pure quiver Why AI increase tho? There's so many AI I literally never need to find a player already. I would say the AI should be distributed better or we need way to have AI be more easily found in the jungle cause more just means more drain on the server tbh.
And just generally fixing the map might encourage people to actually move around. There's no point having a big, beautiful map if it sucks to play and when exploring means more danger because of bad terrain and design than being around other players.

[pure quiver]

That's true

And with enough players on the map, AI isnt really needed unless you're a Juvi

But I guess having some non-interactive AI would make the map more immersive. Like birds and lizards. Having the birds fly away and lizards scurry off into the jungle, disappearing into the wild. Much like what Zelda did

[uneven mist]

@barren zephyr we did get a spino consept if u didnt know btw

[crude girder]

ah, I tried to avoid messing with any of the parts that deform during animation, including the corners of the mouth

[barren zephyr]

Oh yeah🤦🏻‍♂️ my bad. Just saw it! It looks awesome!!! I can’t wait to see how the Spino plays out once it’s ready👍🏻

[tawdry oyster]

@maiden anvil Hey man! Why do you dislike the allosaur legacy calls if I may ask?

[last lily]

@maiden anvil Did you make that animation cycle?

[tawdry oyster]

@maiden anvil I agree with that stego one, makes pretty much a lot of sense

[maiden anvil]

You may ask and it’s not that I dislike them at all. I’m just open to how they can improve them

[tawdry oyster]

Ah ok

[maiden anvil]

Yes I made the animation

[last lily]

Nice

[maiden anvil]

Thx

[tawdry oyster]

I mean I’m fine with if they improve them. I just like those allo calls pretty nostalgic

[maiden anvil]

I do understand you’re point and to some extant I agree with you. I just think every call should be improved to some level in order to suit the more “cinematic” ambiance if you know what I’m saying

[tawdry oyster]

Yeah I understand

[maiden anvil]

Yeeee nice

[limber hull]

im honestly also on the side of seeing how EVRIMA improves them rather than sticking to nostalgia

[proud coral]

I just hope calls don't keep ending up like Pachy's where they lose a lot of character. <:/ Like it's calls aren't bad per se, just....generic.

[tight oxide]

What if far away trees were 2d pngs or something to reduce lag possibly

(Im talking faaar)

[tranquil pier]

hey can i report a cheat that someone did on NA 2
or where can i

[maiden anvil]

@torpid forge I think that’s a little to long of a suggestion. I don’t expect many people to bother reading all of it so maybe you can redo it but far shorter

[urban flax]

I stopped reading it at the "add more dinos faster" part, and I don't expect anyone to go any further. That kind of suggestion is pretty much useless anyway.

[queen ember]

@winged girder you can’t code a game to tell the difference between mixpacking or someCarnos third partying a fight for food, or even players just simply being near each other but not doing any sort of mixing. That’s why it’s so hard to have a solution

[jagged jewel]

@barren zephyr the stress test has already started so it'll come here in like 2 or 3 weeks

cuz the skin system is done, it might just literally be unusable because of a few bugs which are being fixed

they're not releasing that just for a few impatient people

2 weeks is nothing if you do other stuff or have fun with other games meanwhile

i say that it's around 2 weeks since the ST team is much smaller and more organized, and the fact that it isn't public means that the bugs are fixed much faster and therefore the update comes much quicker

basically smaller more experienced team = faster update

and being private =/= thousands of people trying to force their way into the server and crashing it

[burnt bone]

There are going to be issues with it, which is why we have the stress test. What if you make your dino certain colors and it just crashes everyone when you are specifically 73%? Or certain colors just make you invisible? There’s a lot that could go wrong, it likely won’t, but it could. And the stress test makes sure like 90% of the issues won’t happen.

[urban flax]

Also releasing a patch on steam often requires bugfixing in itself, that they prefer to condensate in one patch every now and then rather than releasing a patch every week and spending the rest of the week fixing the bugs that came with the patch going live

[tight oxide]

would this help with anything?

[heady quarry]

@rigid basin #general-feedback is for feedback on the game, you’ll have better luck receiving help if you ask that in #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧

[eternal owl]

@rough hemlock they’re not adding Cory? If anything, Cory would just be added in as a skin for Para, so it wouldn’t have ante gameplay difference anyways.

[rough hemlock]

I saw that in suggestions, I didn’t think it was confirmed

[eternal owl]

Okay then 👌

[swift dew]

@heavy thorn yes, there is a way to get your carno unstuck. as long as you are an official server, just ping @ official server admin in the channel for your region #evrima-na #evrima-eu #evrima-au and #evrima-sa and tell them which server

[brittle night]

@timber saddle yea that's not happening, even having 200 players would be super hard to pull off, i don't want to think 300/500 players with all of the upcoming mechanics that have to be synced with other players and the server itself

[timber saddle]

It’s probably a little bit unrealistic, yes, but it would be the entire island that the spiro map is set on. Only a single part of the map would be loaded in at a time

[brittle night]

That's the future role of the AI also, since having more than 200 players per server would be a nightmare to make, so for the island not feeling like you are the only one on it the AI will be in herds and something to be taking care of and not only just players

[timber saddle]

The AI would be able to herd? I thought they would just be cleanup crew or juvies

[brittle night]

I'm not sure if this will be 100% into the game, but as far as dev have said yes, there would be AI from every playable dino and they want to make them able to herd

But since they often change their minds, don't take it for granted

[proven river]

pretty sure it's not every playable dino but they are doing herding/ packing dino ai.

[tight oxide]

bro everyone just keeps ignoring my idea here

[ashen wasp]

Regarding close-range Utah pounce?? Pretty sure that’s already gonna be a thing. Bracing is neat but would require the bucking system to be balanced around it

[tight oxide]

Im not talking about that-

[proven river]

@cedar narwhal a mechanic like that makes no sense for carnotaurus, maybe for cerato, allo or alberto but carnos skull would be terrible at grappling and tearing with its mouth + that doesn't fit its niche, agreed that the mechanic should make it ingame but not for carno, that would also over power it even more when it already has charge.

[limber hull]

@clever lagoon tip of the tail hitbox takes 10% damage, it's not broken

[tepid gate]

Stop with the "Carno's skull would be terrible" - it wouldn't

Just say that it doesn't make sense for the fastest predator in the game to do that

Carno's skull is the top on the second image btw, it could grapple better than Allo and miles better than Cerato

[maiden anvil]

I actually expected people to dislike my idea but it’s nice that it does well

[maiden anvil]

Thx!

[burnt bone]

My only issue with it is that teno is already the second fastest in water and doesn use much stam while swimming. So the only new mechanic you suggested was the diving, which is a good mechanic. I would love to see underwater plants that teno has to briefly dive for, similar to moose. Tenos already can use water to make what’s chasing them lose more stam and create distance.

[limber hull]

@maiden anvil i'd actually like that to be part of a teno perk system where it can spec into a more aquatic lifestyle

[outer sphinx]

No how dare you, perks will add 5% damage buff, 20% damage resistance etc.

[maiden anvil]

There probably will be other creatures left to be added that can even swim faster so I don’t see why teno should be an even better swimmer. Besides, it’s very slow compared to deinos and doesn’t stand a chance against them in the water

[maiden anvil]

Or maybe it should just originally be a part of its nature. Semi-aquatic I’m talking about

[uneven mist]

I think it would be better for it to be a perk rather it being originally part of its nature

[icy lion]

@barren zephyr The concept of a water-adjacent shant was purely community ideas, there was never any dev confirmation of it

[tight oxide]

I see a possible downside to nesting

If Herbivores cant starve... doesnt that mean they can keep grazing to feed their young?

[barren zephyr]

Good to know. My point on the violence of concepts still stands though so I will be leaving it.

Thank you for informing me on my misconception.

[uneven mist]

I mean, herbivores are pretty violent and to see that dibble, pachy and shant being violent makes kinda sense

[barren zephyr]

I’m not commenting on that, I like that they are portrayed as defensive or even aggressive creatures very much capable of defending themselves. My problem arises when that becomes almost all they’re shown doing, and that’s not just for herbivores.

We need some violence in the concepts, but we also need to see some of them just doing things that animals would do, eating, sleeping, wallowing, raising offspring, exhibiting social behavior, migrating, or whatever else an animal would realistically do. Yes some of this is shown in shant and dibbles concepts, but the vast majority of what we have been shown recently is purely combat, something that worries me for future concept arts.

[tepid gate]

Bad take but alright - violence solves everything, blood for the Blood God, skulls for the Skull Throne

[tight oxide]

oasis mud wasnt fixed rip

[uneven mist]

@steep warren its confirmed that hypsi wil be able to Climb and i think build nest’s on tree’s

[steep warren]

oh ok

[icy lion]

@torpid idol In-game admins must first be admins in the Discord server. The application for that can be found here https://dyno.gg/form/a588e123

[burnt bone]

That is the exact thing I say when I play pachy lmao

[candid mulch]

@torpid idol I don’t know what you expect them to do in game

[limber hull]

@random crystal curious, where exactly is this pink colour? I haven't seen enough to know what you're referring to

could you post a screenshot

i have, but i havent seen a pink that's really THAT aggressive

like yea, i saw SOME pink, but they were mostly display colours

like comparing the pink seen in previews to BoB is a stretch. BoB is quite literally bioluminescent with its pink

[rough hemlock]

@random crystal I think pink is reasonable, especially since it’s essentially a lighter red and would be very hard to remove without restricting the saturation bar. Plus I think it’s a nice neutral pink that works with the game, unlike BoB

Also, pretty much no matter what, people are going to make extremely bright and unrealistic dinosaurs, using all of the bright colors on the roster. But it doesn’t mean bright colors should go away, because when used right they can make an absolutely beautiful skin

For example I saw this stego in a video that was the brightest yellow orange and red with black markings, which seemed pretty unrealistic, but that doesn’t mean we should get rid of bright colors just because some people make unrealistic skins

@half swallow that would be a good thing to put in #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧 , but make sure to read the pins first

[limber hull]

ehhh

if it was pink all over, i'd totally agree

but those are just display colours, the rest are naturalistic

[tight oxide]

that pink isnt that bad tbh

[limber hull]

it's also a rather natural looking pink, with more prominent reddish tones and not being too bright

[tight oxide]

For a second I thought you meant Beast of Bermuda levels of pink

[limber hull]

nothing like the BoB travesty

[tight oxide]

Wait Doesnt BoB have skin filters to stop such neon colors?...

[limber hull]

it does but i honestly don't think that's an excuse lmao

[tight oxide]

Dont think they would remove such colors anytime soon with what they are going for

There are animals that have pink-

[limber hull]

i also like the game for realism

i dont want BoB style rainbow rexes

they look like utter dogshit

[tight oxide]

I like the game for the focus on survival ngl

[limber hull]

but having a single slice of very moderate pink as a display colours alongside browns, greys greens and some dark blues is totally fine

those are mammals, these are dinosaurs

[tight oxide]

Flamingo

[limber hull]

a flamingo is more like a utahraptor than a lion is

[tight oxide]

Flamingo is also a bird which is close to a dinosaur

Pretty sure theres other pink birds

[limber hull]

i like realistic/natural things in the Isle. I also hate the idea of stupid bright greens and pinks, but this is a far cry from the nightmare that is BoB

what does scariness have to do with anything?

[tight oxide]

Let players decide if they want to be scary or easy to spot imo

or just camo skin

One thing im not sure about with the skin system is how some dinosaur species get more display colors than others...

Who says pink cant be scary

[limber hull]

i dont really see the issue there, some animals irl get more display colours than others

[tight oxide]

Eh but at the same time I think its best to not limit such colors to species for a bit more player diversity

[limber hull]

it was never said to be "the ultimate horror game"

[tight oxide]

A giant pink Trex can be scary

[prisma tangle]

iirc Bearded Vultures will get dirt or something on themselves to make their feathers red, and it looks pink at times. They are some of the coolest birds ever.

[limber hull]

it's meant to be a survival horror with dinosaurs

you can still be scared of something if it has pink on it

[limber hull]

okay lets not get stupid lmao

[tight oxide]

I mean imagine seeing a barney skin rex run at you... Would you just stand there?

[limber hull]

a rex with a tiny pink display mark can be scary, but don't make the whole animal pink

[tight oxide]

Nah lets add some green to the Rex with purple

[limber hull]

sonic this argument is kinda dumb

[tight oxide]

Yes

[limber hull]

i think an animal can still be scary even with a few bright colours, not that we should totally allow barney rexes to exist in a survival horror game

[tight oxide]

Barney Rex theme slowly starts playing as it approaches you...

[limber hull]

and that won't happen if the rex has a small slice of pink on it

"I would've been scared but that rex has a pink display colour"

[tight oxide]

Nah I see myself getting a bit scared of a pink crest colored Rex tbh

[limber hull]

If the rex was ENTIRELY pink, then that's dumb

[tight oxide]

Lets be real... Full pink Rex will happen anyways because mods

[limber hull]

But the only areas that these bright colours seem to be present is on the displays

[tight oxide]

You cant deny it but only embrace it

[limber hull]

Everything else is the natural browns

[prisma tangle]

Let the people who like messing with skins have pink as an option, its not hurting anyone…

[limber hull]

i'm not saying the whole rex will be pink, because we already know it wont

[tight oxide]

with how dense Evrima forests are I think Rex still has a chance...

[prisma tangle]

You wouldnt see it until it was on top of ya

[tight oxide]

Either way if you got your pink Rex to adulthood I think you deserve a reward for not being spotted by some carnivore

[limber hull]

If a rex is going to have pink on it, the only areas the pink will be is where the red is in this image. Everything else will likely be blacks, browns and greys

[tight oxide]

Blue Rex when

[prisma tangle]

This

[tight oxide]

No even better.... Pure white

I just want to be the brightest Rex because I have no threats with my bone crushing bite and thickass hp

[limber hull]

Sonic I think you very much overestimate rex in the Isle lmao

[tight oxide]

Eh a good Rex player in legacy was a nightmare

[prisma tangle]

No because pink exists irl in albinism and you cannot tell me a white and pink croc is any less scary than i naturally colored croc because the fact its different and survived is unnerving

[limber hull]

What is the point you're trying to make then, because I'm pretty sure I already got it

[tight oxide]

If you see an adult pink anything I think you should assume they know their basics of the game if they didnt die at the juvie stage

I mean hiding with bright colors seems a bit hard

[limber hull]

The point I'm trying to make is the pink will be such a small part of the overall animal's appearance that it really won't matter

[tight oxide]

Man what about pink anky

[limber hull]

It's only a display colour, it's not affecting the main body

[tight oxide]

Anky should get the option of full pink ngl

[prisma tangle]

Agreed

[tight oxide]

Maybe a bit of purple here and there...

Bright purple

[prisma tangle]

Pink with purple fades

[tight oxide]

Yes.

[prisma tangle]

And blue spots on the back

[limber hull]

sonic i really do not care for joke skin suggestions rn tbh, BoB skins are garbage and if I see a pink anky I'm literally uninstalling

[tight oxide]

I wonder how long until modders let servers have the option for neon glowing Rexes

[limber hull]

they'll probs get it within a week of modding. Thank God I'm not playing modded servers

[tight oxide]

XD

[limber hull]

yes, we agree then

pink rex would look dumb

[tight oxide]

Man good thing ima just focus on my camo skins

[limber hull]

HOWEVER, the pink is legit ONLY FOR DISPLAY COLOURS, NOT FOR THE MAIN BODY

[tight oxide]

If Utah gets feathered option... what about pink feathers?

[limber hull]

we will never see a pink rex, we will only see a brown/grey/black rex with pink display

[prisma tangle]

This would be fun

[limber hull]

Rex may not even get pink as a display option

viking i dont think you quite understand

[tight oxide]

devs make amazing new skin system
Everyone on their way to just make only jurassic park/world skins for Utah

[limber hull]

pink = display colour
natural colours such as browns, greys and so on = main body colours, and the majority of the skin

[tight oxide]

5 years possibly?

I might be a bit under

[random crystal]

I might be blind by that time, lets not fight over this

[tight oxide]

XD

Oh lord I just realized how long it might take to get the new night vision after update 5 drops

[prisma tangle]

I just want my blue utah detail pattern, not for any Blue Fan-Dinos, but because a sandy colored Utah with the blue markings would look like the ocean or a river and I Love That

[tight oxide]

How long until someone does the Indoraptor skin again for Utah

[prisma tangle]

Not very. Probably already been done

[tight oxide]

I cant wait to see 19078926785621896 Pesky skin Carnos running around though :D

Like old times...

[prisma tangle]

Lmao yes

[limber hull]

i wouldnt be too sure, since pachy was meant to be U4.5 yet released alongside U4. Also they've already been working on NV for a while now

[tight oxide]

Wouldnt the new nv be with the stress test though? If we were getting another Pachy moment

[limber hull]

we probably wont get it with U5 honestly, but I reckon it'll come soon after

we've actually already seen some changes to nighttime in U5 previews

[tight oxide]

Hopefully because its sorta impossible to play without some sort of gamma...

[limber hull]

i just cope, i just want the game to be impossible to gamma exploit at night

nighttimes were cool in legacy

[tight oxide]

Legacy night times being pitch black was neat and countered gamma at times but the night vision was a bit ehhhhh

I mean night being pitch black added more fear factor but that night vision could of been better at the time imo

[coarse sail]

New Dino for update 5

[uneven mist]

Most likely not, proly for 5.5

[urban flax]

@barren zephyr So 200 ton deinosuchus ?

[barren zephyr]

No, it would get crushed by its own weight and die

[urban flax]

So you would have the game simulate being crushed by your own weight and die if you grow too much ?

So that'd basically be a glorified elder system

[last lily]

Deinosuchus just becomes the first Crocidillian whale.

That actually sounds kind of interesting in a speculative evolution aspect. Crocodiles tried a lot of shit when they could.

[outer sphinx]

you just created hyper deino

[last lily]

A baleen/filter feeding Crocodile is so cursed yet... kind of interesting to think about at the same time.

[barren zephyr]

Deinosuchus should start suffocating from its own weight by the time its past 13,000kg

[urban flax]

So elder system but that isn't called elder system

[outer sphinx]

shhh

[urban flax]

I'm making some alien fauna for a personal project and I'm stealing that

[barren zephyr]

Yes but no

[last lily]

NOOOO! My non-existent copyright! Heheh, all good.

[urban flax]

What's the difference ?

[outer sphinx]

well this one grows larger

[barren zephyr]

Biological invincibility means you cant die from old age which means elder system for crocodyliforms would be useless

The only time you die as a biologically invincible animal is from another animal or environmental factors

Like not enough food to sustain you bc youre so big

[urban flax]

But that's false
Everything dies from old age
Except, iirc, some sort of eldritch jellyfish that regenerates faster than it ages

But absolutely nothing in nature is immortal

[barren zephyr]

Crocodilimorphs dont

And theres proof of that

[last lily]

Is born, lives a full life: resets its entire life cycle back to infancy, and repeats to effectively live forever. Refuses to elaborate and continues the process of rebirth.

[barren zephyr]

Like Gustave

[urban flax]

You overestimate crocodilians
They grow all the time until they die
They can live for a very long time
And saying "exterior cause doesn't count" doesn't work because if that's so humans are biologically immortal too, since they all die of sickness at some point

[outer sphinx]

there is a dif between long living and imortal

nothing is imortal but many are long living

[last lily]

Lobsters are also "immortal" but their growth eventually gets them killed.. that and the growth process slows way the hell down. So their immortality is basically a lie because their own bodies eventually kill them, or work against them at some point.

[barren zephyr]

Its not literally invincible

[last lily]

I'd love to eat a 20 pound lobster

[barren zephyr]

It means that the growing never stops

[urban flax]

Elder system

[limber hull]

infinite growth was planned for deino once

[last lily]

80 year old Lobster seeing all sorts of shit; ends up on a dinner plate, presented with marvelous golden butter.

[urban flax]

Best death a lobster could dream of

[last lily]

I'd put a "soft" cap on Deinosuchus growth. For the most part, growth is normal leading up to full adult(100%), with the "elder" phase of Deinosuchus being more or less extendable, using (I don't know whose elder idea this was , but they proposed that a good diet and various other mechanics could help extend or shorten the benefits and time spent as an elder with death being ultimately inevitable).

Using that proposed system, Deinosuchus could either die early, or continue to grow a little longer than most other animals in the game, with its final growth being more or less an approximation(I wouldn't push it over 14 tons to be honest.. even that is A L O T). Don't play very well and don't keep your animal healthy and well taken care of? Smaller elder Deino that also dies earlier.

I wish I could dig up whoever's theory that was , because I genuinely liked the idea of death being inevitable, and the elder system taking advantage of that.

[urban flax]

I think it was Wavepoole's

[last lily]

I think it might've, but I'm not entirely sure..

[limber hull]

Issue with deino elder is that no crocodilian has ever been recorded dying of old age

[uneven mist]

@winged crag we have cera’s consept IF u didnt know btw

But Yeah a mid tier carni like acro, allo or Alberto consept would be nice

[uneven mist]

@mighty crown males have rounded plates while the females have sharper, its for sexual dinorphism

[mighty crown]

Oh …Thank u!

[winged crag]

Oh, alright, my bad

Courting anims it is then

[uneven mist]

Here it is

[winged crag]

Tysm

[uneven mist]

Also here’s the roadmap https://trello.com/b/G5tsb4XI/public-roadmap Also the some dinos in the inhabitant list could come at any time bc they arent strikt to an update

[urban flax]

@proven dune Taking damage when falling into deep water is actually more realistic, especially as a dinosaur. You need special adaptations to be able to fall from very high into water without suffering damage.

Reduced damage would make sense, but no damage at all feels like a arcade game

[proven river]

minecraft

[proven dune]

yea but if it's the same damage as falling onto a hard surface it doesn't make sense. If i jump down from a small height into a body of water that is deep then I would hope to take less damage then if i had jumped straight onto the ground, but this isn't the case right now in my experience

[urban flax]

Negating all fall damage is still too extreme in my opinion

Also I'm pretty sure falling into water already somewhat reduces damage

[proven river]

who said negating all fall damage?

[proven river]

also yes

[urban flax]

Read general feedback

[proven river]

oh

yeah don't do that lol

[proven dune]

edited it for clarity

[proven dune]

not in my experience, can still be a near death occurence

[urban flax]

@left storm Devs can't do that

[proven river]

@left storm I mean if you don't want to play realism don't play on those servers lol

[outer sphinx]

not even that, thats just a confusing comment

[proven river]

plus those are community servers so devs can't do crap

[proven river]

also this

[urban flax]

Well if you fall from very high of course you're gonna die
But when falling into water I often survived falls that should have otherwise killed me (with barely any health left but still)

[nimble thistle]

tbh it doesn't seem like you actually take damage from falling into the water, i jumped as a deino from a waterfall into a deep enough water and didn't take damage at all, even though a deino has the highest fall damage of all creatures

[proven dune]

that's what im saying, I am playing tenonto and i jumped from a rock in a deep river and still maanged to break my leg and almost die which doesn't make sense to me

[nimble thistle]

The thing is you take damage depending on a speed u hit the ground, so the deeper water is, the less speed you have

[proven dune]

I'm surpirsed about that tbh

[proven river]

you easily die falling in water if you're high enough but water does negate health loss and gives quite a bit of damage reduction already

[proven dune]

yea I'm not talking like jumping off a 100m cliff into a puddle, obviously you would die from that. Idk apparently there is some damage reduction but it seems in my opinion it could be even more if you jump from a small height into deep water.

[urban flax]

Remember the animals you're playing are extremely heavy, and base fall damage is very high in the game
Current fall damage reduction from falling into water makes enough sense for me

[nimble thistle]

would be nice if someone checked by dropping himself into the ocean using admin tools

[proven dune]

alright fair enough. I think it could be a littler higher tbh but that's my opinion

[proven river]

I have, you live if the water is deep enough

[dusk meteor]

I would like it higher too personally, if only also from a bad design stand point from the map. The river is surrounded in areas by steep drops but a good chunk of the time you can't even see the drop because of bushes.

Also even juveniles break their legs really easily falling into water and they aren't heavy, so it doesn't really appear to be anything to do with weight in game

[proven dune]

my experience with the juveniles is also the same. Even as a juvenile raptor, which is basically the jumpiest dino in the roster

[dusk meteor]

@left storm telling other people how to play in their own server isn't really acceptable for any game and is a fast track way to causing resentment between sections of the community and the developers for literally no reason.

Let alone that you're just targeting a specific community because you don't like it. There are lots of different kinds of rule-based servers, not just realism, and you're free to enjoy or not enjoy any of them.

[proven river]

It's like if you don't like a food and you try to ban others from eating it... just don't eat it

[cunning anvil]

@near tiger Sticks spawn in proximity after you build the nest foundation.

[uneven mist]

@hazy flint we already have troodon consept and gali’s.

[hazy flint]

oh didnt realize, my mistake :/

[uneven mist]

Want gali’s too?

[hazy flint]

uhm sure thatd be nice

havent been up to date fully mb

[uneven mist]

Also here’s the roadmap if u didnt know https://trello.com/c/DoJaNnQR/41-elders

Trello

Elder System

Elders are larger, more powerful variations of the adult stage of life. They are only accessible by following certain diet/perk pathways. Elders start off stronger than the highest tier adult of their species. After completing their reign, they depreciate. Embracing death willfully, leaves you with a bonus you can apply to a new life as that spe...

Labels

In Development, Mechanic

[hazy flint]

oh that looks sick

[hazy flint]

thanks a ton

[uneven mist]

If you have any questions feel free to ask

[hazy flint]

alright. thanks for doing this :)

[calm sphinx]

Hello is there a way to play the stress test whatever it is called?

[limber hull]

be a stress tester

otherwise no

[near tiger]

Oh AWESOME! Very cool

[limber hull]

@tight lantern thats some PoT shit no thanks

it works in an MMO, but not at all in a survival horror like this

will 100% lead to killsquads who barely fear death

[calm granite]

stress test is lit

mr cera u didn’t get in?

[limber hull]

nah

would've liked to, but i was too late to the gun

i even DMed hypno but he never got back, i was too busy with uni at the time to even notice

[calm granite]

damn

[limber hull]

yea

kinda sucks, i loved QA testing lmao

maybe I'll become a content creator so he has to let me in lmao

[last lily]

Dew it.

[limber hull]

bet

[last lily]

https://c.tenor.com/7EttrztgjiAAAAAM/palpatine-star-wars.gif

I'd watch probably

[dusk meteor]

Killsquads are already very much a thing but yeah
Death is supposed to be punishing. Why would I want to play a survival game that babies me? The whole point of the genre is to survive.

Granted I do think growth times for large creatures can get stupidly long so I don't personally bother with making growth or survival a priority when they get to the range of like 4+ hours.

[limber hull]

i mean, when you get a stego or deino, two of the most unkillable in the game at the end of that 5 hour timer, it's kinda worth

[dusk meteor]

Not really

[limber hull]

but i do agree, i dont like the idea of a safety net

[dusk meteor]

Super boring. I like deino I actually found it the easiest to grow

But stego? Nah

[limber hull]

it just encourages the players to take the game less seriously and do more stupid shit

if we want players to act like the animals they play, they need to have survival be their primary concern

which means you need to remove the incentive for unnecessary risks as much as possible

obviously, some players will still do stupid stuff regardless, but the fear of death should be a decent motivator in stopping that

[dusk meteor]

Which imo is also a detriment of long growth to people like me. I don't consider it an important goal being its more of a meh if I do I do but if I don't, I don't and I don't really care either way on a very long growth cycle, but I do on a shorter one.

When something feels more within reach its actually much more motivating for me to grow it to adult.

Like deino? I grew it on a fully populated server. I didn't expect to live all that much. I didn't really try very hard.
Just kinda happened.

So I guess Tldr long growth time demotivated me from trying hard with it.

I don't even play it cause being adult is pretty damn boring

I mean
On top of that I think it just encourages afk growing more than anything. How many people are actually wholly attentive to 8 hours of growing a rex solo?

I'm definitely not lmao

[distant storm]

@manic venture I like your mtn goat Dryo with it's big legs. It's best and only defense is running and hiding. If it could scramble up steep hills at the cost of increased stamina to get there this would be great. With them sliding down/falling if they run out of stam.

[manic venture]

yes! it would be an easier mechanic to do with just adjusting the physics of the dryo with increasing the traversable terrain compared to the other playables

Im gonna add that to the feedback

[deft condor]

the utah fake limp mechanic wouldnt work here as they removed bone break right?

[latent olive]

@hollow swift the swamps are connected

[hollow swift]

no like the ones behind the big rock with the pond beside the human facility like where deinos dont have to cross the land to get to it

[latent olive]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/543084446853890049/949141694220234832/unknown.png

the swamps in the bottom right are connected

oh you mean

you mean to not cross the land

[hollow swift]

yeh ok i mean connect the watre ways so more people go to it where they dont have to walk on land to get to tehm an that river on the bootom right you never see any1 at them which sucks since its a cool area

[latent olive]

its only like 20 meters lmao

i grow my deinos in that river at the bottom right

[hollow swift]

yes i know this but other people dont an its hard to see with all the plants an etc an i do as well ive never seen anyone so i was just suggesting making it easier to access for the people who dont know its there is all

[latent olive]

thats just a player issue

explore the map and youll find it

the land between the two water sources is incredibly short anyway

[hollow swift]

yes i know that but with this diet system now people go to certain locations of the map an i know i was just making a suggestion is all

like they could make it a nesting ground an it would make people explore it idk i just dont want people to just play in certain spots an let the move all on the map is all

[pure quiver]

@tame jetty in addition to only the parents carrying the hatchlings, maybe both parties have to engage to be picked up. for example; Parent holds E+Space to pick up, but they will drop it unless the child holds Space as well. Making it mutual and non-abusable

[trail zodiac]

deino is of the alligator family

[sullen brook]

wrong page

sorry

ima delete it

[proven river]

@deft condor as good feedback as it is I would like to remind you the the developers are doing absolutely nothing with the isle legacy anymore and have practically abandoned it and aren't adding/fixing or doing anything to it but deleting it when the time comes so leaving feedback on it is futile 👍

[lapis swallow]

@barren zephyr tracking is nerfed in the new update and the dam was just too op, its a free adult if you go there

[barren zephyr]

yes but we still walking food than

no where to hide or something

[jagged jewel]

@vestal forge

gators make actual nests unlike crocs

[jagged jewel]

jungle exists

also rocks if you can jump

[lapis swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

[proven river]

@hybrid comet so to inform you of allosaurus, ofc it's confirmed coming to the recoded version of the game. Evrima is just the name of a survival gamemode consisting of a smaller roster of generally smaller playables afaik. after the recode is finished and legacy is deleted the recode will just be called the isle and evrima will be a game mode, yes allosaurus is confirmed, it's even in a concept art for one of the new dinos but anyways allosaurus along with the other 52 planned playables will be coming to the isle.

[hybrid comet]

YAY

i appreciate that so much, thank you!

[proven river]

all good m8 but srsly did u think they would leave out allosaurus of all creatures lol

[rocky onyx]

waittt theyre deleting legacy!?

no! 😭 i need my ogs!!!

[proven river]

yes lol thought that was common knowledge too, they getting rid of that buggy mess forever

[rocky onyx]

my childhood is going to vanish.

[proven river]

shame

[rocky onyx]

also that kinda means i cant really play the isle too tho... because my computers a fire hazard when it comes to envirma!!

[proven river]

well I mean eventually it will get properly and finally optimized in U9 the qol update soo that's a plus.

[hybrid comet]

i fr hope evrima runs easier once it's finished, and it's not as much as a horror game. was playin a lil pachy and a carno came from an abyss and ate me. i jumped and wanted to sob, the lil helpless squeak was so sad

[proven river]

oh yeah U5 is apparently super optimized which is pog

[rocky onyx]

tried to run it the other day. not even 1 fps. just fps 😭

[hybrid comet]

yes, i was being told by peeps on legacy they wouldn't add it and i was literally ready to give devs my credit card info for them to add it

[rocky onyx]

ill try again tho!

[proven river]

[hybrid comet]

it aint a joke, i had a mini heart attack at just 15 bruh

wym

[proven river]

I wish I could have experiences where I get afraid in the isle

[proven river]

👀 ... you don't know do you?

[hybrid comet]

im fine with the gore, i just hate seeing huge dinosaur heads popping up at my screen when i least expect it. im so excited for everything though

[proven river]

yeah the devs want to make the most horrific and dreadfully terrifying game they can.

[hybrid comet]

lordt, i can see it now. a rex head popping out of the abyss to eat me. fr i think my problem is i lean too close to the screen to see further into the night, as if that even helps. lmaoo

ohhh? tell me moreee

i wanna know everything

NO, THE WHAT

ARHGHGHGHGHHG I WANT DETAILS PEOPLE DETAILS

[burnt bone]

Don’t worry yet. They said they’re only deleting it when evrima surpasses it in every way but roster. So you still got a lot of time

[rocky onyx]

alrighty

[hybrid comet]

cannibals? tisso? neuro? matriach?

[deft condor]

They are eventually brining trex over to evrima correct?

[proven river]

[proven river]

yes lol

[hybrid comet]

DONT LAUGH AT MY NAIVETY

[proven river]

show them the concept for the hyperendocrine collosus, tissoplastic reaper and the nuerotonic mastermind

beautiful

also it might be suitable to take this to #isle-lore-theories

[hybrid comet]

oki

[burnt bone]

Well, this is complete speculation but will be in the far future: legacy had unfinished hypo variants of old dinos (basically massive but use a lot of food so they norm starve in a hour or so) that were for admins and were hacked in. Now the confirmed elder system coming says something along the lines of “you either die peacefully and get perks, or briefly extend your reign as something more…”. Essentially far in the future, you will likely have the choice of pursuing elder for permanent perks by playing well and following diet, or briefly becoming a hypo after doing even more specific stuff.

[uneven mist]

@amber mango no eta’s

[jagged jewel]

hypers are “nature’s way of fighting back”, which basically means that they’re natural disasters with legs that are always hungry and have the sheer strength to just demolish everything. people will be able to achieve these forms eventually and they’re basically a natural way of wiping a server to an extent. they’ll be extremely hard to maintain, and therefore once the hyper stops finding people to eat, it’ll die quickly, basically resetting the ecosystem

glad to see someone else that enjoys being scared in TI with ambushes hahaha

[deft condor]

referring back to my Trex turn radius feedback i completely understand if for balance they have to keep it bad, thats not a concern at all and i can respect that decision. That said its just weird to me that people pick and choose what to take from the real world trex. like it was big, so The Isle Trex should be big, it had one of the strongest jaws of and bite force of any theropod even more than that of any land animal to ever exist so, The Isle Trex has the strongest bite in the game. so you take the strongest jaws and size from nature and just stop there it also had the best hips/joints of any theropod. its just weird to me what people cherry pick to give to the rex. Trex big so our rex big. scary teeth so it bite hard but just stop there

i also know its not in evirma yet but im talking about future depictions of it

[uneven mist]

We dont know if the rex wil gave a bad turn radious

[icy lion]

Everything in evrima can turn in place

[sullen brook]

Thats terrifying

[deft condor]

Oooo

[sullen brook]

why do people hate this its pretty cool idea.

#general-feedback message

[limber hull]

because when have you seen a gator glow

[sullen brook]

let me check lol

[lapis swallow]

because it would look weird, its unpractical and an unneccesary piece of code that the devs would spend their time on

[sullen brook]

ill forget the deino then.

[limber hull]

i dont think any animal would look right with it tho

[sullen brook]

stegos would tbh

[lapis swallow]

No

You played to much Ark Aberration, my friend

[sullen brook]

never heard of that before

[limber hull]

This sounds like an ARK or BoB thing

[sullen brook]

you would have the option to choose it

so

[limber hull]

most of these animals are either reptiles or avians, none of which have really ever glowed in nature lmao

very much more of a thing within the insect and fish families

[sullen brook]

bioluminescenent parasaurs though are very cool

[limber hull]

I wouldn't be against, say, a neuro strain animal having such a feature, because it is by design unrealistic

[sullen brook]

it makes sense... i guess.

ima delete it then

[urban flax]

Spino had a bioluminescent sail that helped it scare off deep sea predators
This is the truth and I'm the only one to know it

[limber hull]

ah yes

mosasaur, the natural predator of the spino

[thorny lynx]

What's wrong with my suggestion?

Oh well, I deleted it.

[sullen brook]

THATS WHY I LOVE SPINO!!

[quartz escarp]

chunginosourus as a new dino would be cool. a smaller faster stego that would be able to kill stuff id, say, 3,000 in weight (its wieght is about 2,850) and could live in packs to keep some of the bigger dinos at bay

[candid mulch]

Kentro isn’t a thing anymore ig

[uneven mist]

soooo, smaler stego?

[quartz escarp]

yes

a more balenced stego in the current meta

[steep warren]

We have kentro

[uneven mist]

we already have kentro, and there is no need for more dinos in the roster

[quartz escarp]

i am talking about evirma

[steep warren]

Why would be need 3 stegosaurus

[uneven mist]

so are we

[candid mulch]

Exactly we have Kentro in evirma

Or it will be here eventually

[quartz escarp]

oh wait really? i did not see that

[icy lion]

https://trello.com/c/ouDjpA4H/37-kentrosaurus

Trello

Kentrosaurus

This small stegosaurian is shyer than it's more robust cousin but definitely no less formidable. Armed with a myriad of spikes, a whirl of it's tail or a well-timed shoulder check could spell a bloody demise for the careless.

Labels

Herbivore, Pre-production, Playable

[candid mulch]

Yup it’s got some concept art already.I do agree tho that Kentro or something similar to Kentro should’ve been released first in evirma rather than Stego

[quartz escarp]

yes, that is true, kentro is what i invisoned the chungi to be so this is fine

[proud coral]

Very late response, but I believe the "nature's way of fighting back" thing was said about Magnas, not Hypers. :3

[proven river]

@floral saffron ik it looks like the spine coming out but it's not actually the spines I think they're osteoderms or smth else I don't remember the name of

[last lily]

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

[dense vale]

@ripe jungle you cant expect the game to look good when not on 100% render scale. also why that resolution?

[normal finch]

hey, does anyone know where Oranges spawn? Havent been able to find them since the last update

[proven river]

@echo iris If you are unable to accept that herbivores aren't walking meat sacs and that this is a hardcore survival game where you need to plan out how you move and play then too bad

[ripe jungle]

I'm testing out resolutions, and as for the not looking good when not fully rendering I don't mind the fact that its blurry from a far I care that when I'm 3 feet away from a bush it looks like a blob. I don't have the best GPU in the world but it can still render Legacy textures good enough, I just think that the Evrima branch is poorly optimized.

I'm currently testing out pretty much all the visual settings combinations I can get, right now I've got a temporary fix for the bushes not rendering well but now the grass only appears when in a circle about 10-15 feet around me

I just want the game to look presentable and run at least sorta well. to me the isle isn't just a normal survival game but more of a visual one. Like I said I just want it to look pretty.

[dense vale]

best i can do is use normal native resolution and 100 render scale cause anything else is minecraft. then put everything else to off or low, then i can get half of legacy fps but it still easily looks better

[ripe jungle]

ill give it a try and see how I like it

[ripe jungle]

OK WELL, that pretty much fixed all my issues but now I'm just wondering what are the differences between high and low texture quality settings

I'm also curious on how to get it to where the game shows my dinosaur picking up the meat then eating in the normal eating animation

[proven river]

lol

[proven river]

@elder pawn well that's too bad for you because the streamers aren't playing it so they can get the update earlier they're playing it to fix bugs and that's what they'll do so you can do nothing but watch and wait

[bright heath]

yknow, I dont understand what the whole idea with "herbivores not being aggressive" Like man bro.

i wouldnt want a carnivore in my territory, especially with nesting getting added, u bet im chasing that bastard out of the territory so my babies are safe.

some of the most aggressive and dangerous animals in Africa are herbivores. It's not obvious to me that herbivores who CAN ward off attacks, wouldn't do so if given the opportunity, and strike fear and intimidation into the hearts of Predators so that they wont attack their young.

Thats why everytime I play the Isle I'm actually really immersed because I see players always portraying animals at least in a SOMEWHAT accurate manner. Of course, mixpacking with carnivores and herbis is bad, but that's universally accepted as a problem.

Of course, people will grief and act like toxic players, but if you think of it from a natural perspective, you can rectify a lot of the behavior.

Like, I was a utah a while ago with my pack, and pachys were hunting us down anytime we got close to the Oasis (when it was still a thing.)

I never thought to myself "God, these toxic ass herbi players shouldnt be attacking me, they should be eatin their grass and waiting for me to attack them." I thought to myself. "Damn Id do the same thing, we need to strategize and be patient and hunt them."

Well, I mean, I personally treat it LIKE nature, thats my point. The game encourages you to act at least relatively accurately to how animals would in those scenarios. It definitely needs more polish, and more mechanics will amplify this.

But when a player gets mad that he put too much trust in someone he barely knows, and gets killed. It's his fault. In my opinion at least.

Yeah thats understandable, but personally that doesn't bother me much. They all have the same goal at the end of the day.

What upsets me is when i see a utah pack working with a stego

ah yeah. But that's just something we have to deal with if we play as predators. That's why we have to try hunting prey thats alone.

Hopefully with update 5, diets for herbis will get a little changed so that mega packing will be harder

I heard for 5, carnivore diets have been reworked a lot so Carno mega packs aren't viable anymore, and carnivores in general are way hardert o grow

it might, i just know for 5 it's been changed a bit

[elder pawn]

I doubt very much that only a pity for a single person. And the streamer is not just fixing bugs no matter how beautiful you paint

[bright heath]

I believe that for all carnivores, instead of getting all 3 nutrients from meat until ur at 50%, its now only till 25%.

but take my word with a grain of salt, i havent heard a dev directly confirm it.

but if that IS the case, thank the lord because thats a good change.,

Another change I heard of but no confirmation, is that all carnivores have increased hunger rate, so they need more food in general.

ive only heard this stuff from stress testers.

[proven river]

oh yeah many streamers had confirmed that

[bright heath]

https://tenor.com/view/pog-cat-wow-gif-19623293

[tight oxide]

I kinda was hoping it would vary from each carnivore since each juvie has different ages where they can actually try to hunt

Like Deino juvie having to start playing the game earliest compared to the other Juvies

[topaz palm]

Let pteranodon be vulnerable more than in just the most desperate situations please.

[proven river]

the most easy to kill if caught off guard creature?

[topaz palm]

No stamina regen while flying or clinging, no eating or drinking while airborne. It's fun this way. I don't want ptera's lifestyle/gameplay to consist of even more "you're completely safe when you choose to be and nobody else can do anything about it" periods than it already is.

[proven river]

I mean it's realistic for pteras to get stam while gliding, drink while skimming and gain stamina while clinging though I do think that eating on ground should remain as is because you can land in plenty of safe places too.

[urban flax]

Pteras won't be that safe anymore when herrera gets added, and even less with quetz (at a much later date)

[limber hull]

ptera is already an S-Tier animal imho, has been since implementation

[topaz palm]

Realism isn't of importance, gameplay is. If ptera could regenerate stamina in the air, even at the tiniest rate, it would functionally never have to land for stamina. And if it could drink water and swallow fish caught from skim feeding while airborne, it would functionally never have to land other than to eat food for its other two nutrients, courtship and nesting.

[limber hull]

it can also court in the air lmao

but yea, ptera is already REALLY good at the task of surviving

[topaz palm]

I don't mean to sound stingy at all, I just don't want ptera - my favorite playable - to be able to detach itself from the dangers of the game even more than it already can. Flying is already a blessing to one's ability to survive as is, and I don't want that to sort of "consume" the enjoyment of the creature by making the player feel like they have nothing to worry about or remain vigilant for.

[topaz palm]

Oh damn I didn't know it could court in the air :O

[limber hull]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664914260648001555/946236588705325056/Ptera_court_fly.mp4

[topaz palm]

Oh right I remember this

That was like the earliest one they showed off wasn't it?

[limber hull]

but yea, ptera is VERY good atm and does not need a buff

[bright heath]

I think ptera is perfect the way it is

It's a scavenger with no natural predators rn. that's just the way it be

[limber hull]

more importantly, if we REALLY wanted to drill down on a lightweight evasive creature with poor combat capability, why not dryo instead of ptera? Ptera already has a plethora of unique and interesting mechanics that make it fun to play. Dryo, however, absolutely does not

[bright heath]

gotta wait for burrow 😩

maybe it's just my opinion but

while skimming water as ptera to drink is realistic. landing and drinking water risking to get killed by a deino is one of the only times I actually feel any threat as a ptera

and that's a good thing, cuz it's fun.

maybe when it has natural predators, sure, but not now.

also idk man. I enjoy landing to eat my food. makes me feel like a cool vulture or something

[limber hull]

yea, its cool, i like it too

[barren zephyr]

is thermic vision a thing ? I don't remember seing this anywhere, but I wouldn't be surprised if some dino had a thermic vision at some point... It's just our pathetic mammals eyes that have difficulties to think what it's like to see heat/cold in our environment

[limber hull]

@slim thunder i believe that's been planned for a while

[slim thunder]

aa

[jagged jewel]

@floral saffron large hadrosaurs are known to have those spike looking things like our shant does, but shant’s ones is made with the intention of looking like exposed vertebrae.

also the huge toenail is realistic and accurate, it just may be like 5 cm bigger than irl

[molten marsh]

does somebody know why official server admins are pretty much inactive?

[uneven mist]

@lament pecan they already do that

The arms move around in the courting animation for carno

[lament pecan]

ok but they arent male marking area

[uneven mist]

Don’t know

Don’t think so

[uneven mist]

@lament mantle you can have both installe, go to yt

[lament mantle]

yeah i figured theres some way to save a folder and such

but i mean something thats QOL for people who dont want to hunt down such a solution

[echo iris]

Nah, maybe i wrote it bad. Sorry for my bad english. Im totally for the fact that they can defense themselves, but im only talking about the spamables. Or that if you get hit by one of the Knock down or stun, you don´t need to wait 5 seconds to stand up again. A fight should be fair. I hope you understand what i mean now.

[tepid gate]

You shouldn't be dying during the duration of a single CC in the game to be perfectly honest.

Tenonto was specifically changed so that it would no longer take out a Carno after it lands a single stun(which used to be a thing although didn't happen very often)

Utah also shouldn't really be dying to a single combo of Pachy but don't get me wrong - Pachy WILL put you in a world of hurt if it lands the knock down on you.

There's a good reason for that however as if you land a pounce on Pachy the Pachy is in loads of trouble too

it's just about who can land their attack on the opponent first really

[echo iris]

I saw otherwhise. I agree with the Pachy vs Utah. But the teno destroyed my mate infront of me. He was full HP. And still died to on comb. idk ...

[tepid gate]

He must've been slow to move

I've played this match up an immeasurable number of times at this point

on both sides - Tenonto just cannot kill a Carno with a single combo

assuming Carno is at full hp when the confrontation happens

Carno has 1800 hp, Tenonto needs 5 kicks/tailslams to its head to kill it

you can at best land 3 before Carno runs away

[echo iris]

mh yea okay. So mb for this discussion. If he just maybe sucked standing up, idk.

[tepid gate]

Yea sometimes we are just a bit slow to react, happens to all of us

maybe he didn't realise the CC wore off

2 Carnos in general are a death sentence to Tenonto lest it's close to water

1v1 Tenonto kind of has the advantage

[echo iris]

But shouldnt a agile one like Utah being able to stand up faster .. ?

[tepid gate]

As for Utah - as I said it's kind of fair this way because Utah can really just oneshot Pachy with its pounce to a large extent

I haven't yet died to a Pachy after a single knockdown as a Utah but I'm not saying it's impossible

however again - it is just as possible for Pachy to die to a single pounce so

admittedly you don't kill it with the pounce itself but more so with the bleed that follows it but still

[echo iris]

mh yea. it was not only 1 knockdown, tbh. but he got like 4 free attacks after one.

[tepid gate]

Idk a lot of this is just situational, sometimes they can get off more damage on you while you're down and sometimes a bit less

but in general Utah has to be punished rather hard by Pachy if it gets hit otherwise it would be a bit too good against it

since again - landing one pounce can mean the death of Pachy

Pachy has a very small blood pool

and if you pounce it its blood just drains very quickly

It can live if it plays it correctly and stands still but if you get it to run a little bit it will almost certainly die

I'm not a fan of this match up being determined to a such a large degree by who lands the first attack but oh well

[echo iris]

Yea you are right. But we are like talking about a 1 vs 1 situation here. What do you think, 3 carnos against 2 tenos ? i dont think the Carnos will have a chance

[tepid gate]

Yea nah 3 Carnos should stomp

it kind of depends

back in like update 3 my money would probably be on the Tenontos

but atm? I think Carnos at a 3:2 ratio should win this handily

[echo iris]

Its kindy still too risky. 1 Stun is a dead carno, instantly.

[tepid gate]

...possibly but

[jovial hazel]

It's not, though..

[tepid gate]

Tenontos would have to be very well coordinated

You'd need to have the other Tenonto start hitting that stunned Carno immediately

meanwhile you have two other Carnos you aren't keeping track of

and if they charge you one of you just goes down immediately there

[echo iris]

if both slams on him ? I´ll clip this to you, if this once happens again in stream.

[tepid gate]

cause they will tear you into shreds before you can get back up

[tepid gate]

Sure

[echo iris]

yea thats the point 😄 maybe im just playing with wrong people

[tepid gate]

So just for the record

you need 8 tailslams to kill a Carno if you're landing bodyshots

5 if you're landing headshots

[jovial hazel]

Everybody's learning. Carno vs teno is actually a pretty skill-dependent fight, on both sides.

[tepid gate]

^

[echo iris]

I just was like ... confused. As i said my mate went into him and said he couldnt move at all. 1 Stun= dead.

[tepid gate]

It is a skill match up, imo Tenonto has the advantage if both players are good

the worse they get the better off Carno is

That's also simply because Carno is a much easier animal to play than Tenonto

Tenonto is probably the most skill dependent dinosaur in the game

with a plethora of attacks that are used in different circumstances, entirely reliant on stamina and terrain

meanwhile Carno is just... run and press lmb at the right time while trying to avoid getting hit yourself

there isn't that much to playing Carno well

Of course in a scenario like that the skill of Carnos is also important, 3 good Carnos will kill any pair of Tenontos no matter how good the Tenontos are, but a pair of good Tenos could absolutely down 3 bad Carnos imo

It also depends where they are fighting and on a few other things

[echo iris]

True.
Idk, it just seemed that the Dino took too long to stand up. Especially as Utah against Pachy.

[tepid gate]

Tenonto does better the more difficult the terrain is

If Carno cannot run because it's e.g. wading

Tenonto will clap it with ease

if they're fighting out in a plain, in an open field Carno does much better and can give Tenonto a run for its money

I think it's a decently well balanced match up although I think it's better on the stress test than on the livebranch

since Carno's xenomorph jaws are fixed on the stress test last I've heard

[echo iris]

i heared like all Carni will be harder to play ?

Xenomorph ? you mean like the too long range for the bite 😄 ?

[tepid gate]

yea because they won't get to have a free perfect diet for 50% of their growth

[tepid gate]

yea

let me show you what I mean exactly

[echo iris]

i know exactly what you talking about. Fought some Carnos as utahs yesterday. its strange

yep. 😄

[tepid gate]

Carno's xenomorph jaws right there

[jovial hazel]

Like usual it seems they went overboard on the balancing. Before, carnivores stayed hungry to the point it was pretty annoying. So they gave them 3x the amount of food per corpse. Which was overkill. So now it's so easy to stay full and they rebalance it to worse than it was before.

[tepid gate]

admittedly I was told that this was a general issue with how bite hitboxes were set up

[jovial hazel]

Why not make small changes.

[tepid gate]

wait seriously?

[echo iris]

True.

[jovial hazel]

I'm not in QA, but that's what It looks like.

[tepid gate]

Is it that bad to stay well fed on the test branch?

[jovial hazel]

I have a few friends in.

[echo iris]

Same like taking away all AI and putting them back in. Or with rotting food

[tepid gate]

Oh, you don't have to be in the QA, you just need to be on the stress test

[jovial hazel]

Well, that's what I mean.

I'm not in the stress test.

[tepid gate]

I'm not on it because I was starting a new contract and moving across the country when the applications were open so I thought I wouldn't be able to participate and help out properly

and I mean I didn't want to apply just to play the game a bit early

[jovial hazel]

Yeah, I thought you would have to sign the QA NDA. So I waited until the last day when I found out that wasn't the case and was too late. 😦

[tepid gate]

nah, you don't have to sign an NDA fortunately

[jovial hazel]

But now the servers are barely half-filling on a friday night.

Yeah.

[tepid gate]

so it seems apparently people don't play that much

[jovial hazel]

Hopefully they will add more to the test.

[tepid gate]

which is a shame

[jovial hazel]

So we can get a better judge on the food balances.

[echo iris]

yea. I would like to stream it especially in german. Cause i think the game has not the attention here as it should have 😄

[tepid gate]

oh sure, although there are some content creators for TI in German

[echo iris]

Maybe they will add some more.

[tepid gate]

you know Seiza - the developer responsible for making the trailers and so on?

She's a German youtuber who made videos for The Isle

[echo iris]

Really ? Nice.

[tepid gate]

let me link you to her channel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qNUgTD6094

This is a fan made trailer that got her the job pretty much, the devs reached out to her because they were quite impressed with her work

I used to watch her for quite a few years before that tbh

[echo iris]

The think is ... i can tell a little story while my carno is starving to death.

Im playing The isle like ... for a long time. Or let us say, i have it for a long time. Started to play it intense for some weeks now.

Everytime my mates watching to play this game. They are like " Why are you playing this? What is the Goal?" Like, totally uninterested.

after i showed them, how you have to survive and some nice fights... all 5 bought it 😄 and played it. not that intense like me but i think it just needs ... a little bit more content and performance stability. This game would be explode ..

The trailer is nice

[tepid gate]

Yea well, to be perfectly honest - some of my friends have been saying the same thing

1. asking what's the point but also

2. why are you playing this?

They do have the game and played it for a bit before though

and tbh I have thousands of hours in this game and have played it for years

[echo iris]

^mh.
Mine are like not playing it much yea. But if i would ask they would come to play. Or trough the stream, idk why, some people started to play again. I think just the fact that you have to play it solo so much, cause people asking these 2 points you said, it takes aways the fun.

I mean ... yesterday we killed a Carno as 3 Utahs, yea he was low, but damn this was fun.

[tepid gate]

tbh I don't mind playing solo, the vast majority of my time in this game was spent solo, I only occasionally group with people or play with friends

[echo iris]

i dont mind too. but its still more fun as utah. solo as utah is like ... meatpack

[warm tree]

where i can search players to play?

[icy lion]

@tame jetty The nest icon is now hidden unless scented, it's much better

[barren zephyr]

Ohh nice :))

[limber hull]

@stone hazel incest is not allowed, so the entire species would die after the first nesting cycle

[stone hazel]

... then have option to turn that of or have the minimum higher

something at least, I really want that feature.

[urban flax]

You really want incest as a feature ?

[limber hull]

lmao

[jagged jewel]

why the fuck do you want incest as a feature

[stone hazel]

don't care a single shit about it.

only want nesting as a must have option instead of dudes randomly spawning on the map as juvies

[jagged jewel]

im just asking the reason

or is there none

[stone hazel]

This is the reason.

More realistic and value to nesting

[jagged jewel]

incest is not realistic nor is it valuable

a whole species of crow went extinct solely due to incest between them

[stone hazel]

Have already said options for that

[jagged jewel]

but why would the options exist? it quite literally punishes you for spawning in to the wrong family

[stone hazel]

why tf have nesting as an option in the first place?

[jagged jewel]

“Oh you spawned in, fuck you now because your parents comitted incest.”

[stone hazel]

Do we have a problem?

[jagged jewel]

nesting because it allows for benefits such as protection and a perfect diet from initial spawn, and also inherited perks once those are added.

incest does NOT allow for benefits, it just ruins a species

[limber hull]

could just... increase your hypothetical creature count and then have nesting be the only way to go beyond that

[stone hazel]

yeah

[limber hull]

say... 10 per species, but you can nest in a technically infinite number

[last lily]

It’s just a dumb server option and not even worth the time nor effort to program…It’s unnecessary and gets in the way of gameplay.

[limber hull]

and still no incest

[stone hazel]

what? why?

[jagged jewel]

because it punishes players for choosing to spawn in a nest

[stone hazel]

no.

[jagged jewel]

incest inherintly punishes you for just choosing to spawn in a nest

you can’t just say no to that lmao

[last lily]

Would you really want to hop onto a server and be forced to play as a hatchling, forced to rely on random players: or just spawn in ready to play and be largely self sufficient from the get go

[stone hazel]

"then have option to turn that of or have the minimum higher"

[jagged jewel]

but why would the option be needed to begin with?

[stone hazel]

yes.

[last lily]

If you want to mod it in,.. I mean go ahead?? But it’s not worth much else.

[stone hazel]

to make it possible ofc??

[jagged jewel]

incest is already a thing iirc, you can do it once U5 comes out. just dont expect it to be good

[stone hazel]

aight. i get it. chill.

[jagged jewel]

alr

[urban flax]

There's something I don't understand mechanically-wise about your suggestion... how is the 2 players per species counted ?

Is it two players, so it can simply be worked around by spawning in when there's lass than two of the same species ?
Or is it a server-limited amount, that way if two people spawn in first when the server is opened then disconnect, nobody can ever play as that species ?

[icy lion]

No, it's disabled

[lapis swallow]

"sad the Isle player from Alabama noises"

Lol

[last lily]

So no Hapsburg dinos??

[dusk meteor]

@unreal ridge More of a note on hypsi/dryo diet, but spreading out their diet means that they're less likely to achieve a perfect diet. We want them to have a perfect diet because this impact eggs and nesting which might encourage more players to be these small dinos. Wouldn't it be better to encourage people to become these small dinos than have them travel and be less likely to achieve nesting at all?

[jagged jewel]

even better

[tepid gate]

Gotta say that might just be the worst suggestion in the history of this game. It's quite impressive actually.

The amount of abuse that it would introduce is just astounding

[limber hull]

which?

[tepid gate]

The one with incest

[limber hull]

fair

[tepid gate]

I still remember the limited time during which the devs allowed the sandbox dinosaurs to be introduced on the legacy official servers

The idea was that their numbers would grow by nesting

what a surprise it was when certain organised groups specifically targeted those very dinosaurs to kill off all of them that were owned by people from outside of the group

effectively you had certain extremely oppressive animals like e.g. Therizinosaurus only in the hands of organised clans

To suggest something like this but even worse is just a sign of a complete lack of imagination

[violet magnet]

only two of each species allowed on a server to nest in others
inevitable incest because all those offspring would be related and would then have to breed with each other to grow the population

yikes

[tepid gate]

big yikes indeed

[unreal ridge]

you are saying what im trying to say, get the diets more close with the other diet, and also spread out little patches of these diets around the map, so if a hyspi or dryo can find one diet its likely to find the others in close proximity

[dusk meteor]

Ah! Okay. It kinda sounds like you're trying to say the opposite in the suggestion but I'm glad to see we agree on this!

[unreal ridge]

yeah i used the word flush wrong i suppose

I just think that for small creatures little pockets of all 3 or 2 diets around the map would be perfect for nesting

[dusk meteor]

Yeah. I think the devs would have to be careful not to overlap their diets with large animals too much in that scenario, but that shouldn't really be too hard. It'd be nice to see small playables encouraged.

[proven river]

well I mean... carno can do that too y'know, a good ambush and as soon as the teno gets up as a carno is biting it to death another can run in and do a charge so both have knockdown stunlock cababilities ig but overall stunlock isn't fun so I see your point

[tepid gate]

I think you're completely missing the point of what he was trying to say

[proven river]

sorry, in any case though I think you covered it better than i could.

[proven river]

Fudge wait I didn't read it right my bad

I'm sorry my guy in dumb

[tight oxide]

I just wish eating was faster

[proven river]

That would be convenient ig

[tight oxide]

Dont you get it...

it would make you feel more engaged and let babies get your food faster if you just got food

[proven river]

I mean I don't eat a light speed irl I'll be honest

[tight oxide]

I mean is it really fun to stay still and eat from like 0-100 hunger like how it is now?

[tight oxide]

its a game man

[proven river]

It doesn't take that long ...

[tight oxide]

it takes quite a bit imo if you are eating from 0

[proven river]

Not rlly

[tight oxide]

Opinions

[proven river]

Would be nice if it was faster but it ain't that slow to begin with lol

[tight oxide]

Ig

Imo its so weirdly slow...

[proven river]

And also from 0% isn't going to be that fast y'know your going from nothing to full

U expect going from 0 hunger to be fast?

[tight oxide]

I mean even 50-100 can take a quick bit

as in faster but still eh

[proven river]

Lots of creatures eat super fast

[tight oxide]

I wish you were able to fill up about as fast as legacy has it

[proven river]

Like dude teno, hypsi and dryo eating is soooo fast

[tight oxide]

I guess Utah is the issue?

I think Utah takes a weird bit to eat

[proven river]

Legacy

[tight oxide]

Legacy may be bad but not everything is bad XD

[proven river]

Agreed, teno shouldn't be eating faster than Utah lol

[tight oxide]

I hear people say pachy gets up faster than utah

[proven river]

[tight oxide]

Not sure if that should be the case

Isnt Utah the lighter and more nimble one?

[proven river]

Carno gets up faster than Utah

[tight oxide]

why does Utah take a while to get up for almost anything?

Pounce miss rn it takes a bit to get up, or falling from buck it takes god amount of years to get up and even normal standing up from sitting takes a bit

[proven river]

Idk man

[tight oxide]

For a playable that has to be quick on its feet it feels weird when heavier and slower things are quicker than it at things

[proven river]

Exactly

[tight oxide]

Like how you said, Teno fills up quicker on food than Utah even though Utah has the smaller stomach

Or how people claim that Pachy gets up quicker than utah even though Utah is lighter...

[proven river]

[tepid gate]

There are reasons for that, all the animals in general but especially carnivores used to eat faster but it was nerfed at some point... in update 3 I think? Don't quote me on this but I know that there was a moment when both eating and drinking were made longer to I guess make the person eating/drinking vulnerable for longer.

I'm not exactly against this but... for goodness sake at least let just just tap the butten to have the animal start eating rather than forcing us to hold it throughout the whole time.

[tight oxide]

I think they made eating longer back in one of the updates to encourage more contest between food

[tepid gate]

It's not exactly very fun to just hold "E" for hours on end.

Yea that was indeed one of the reasons

[tight oxide]

Imo not a good idea when you want less of a deathmatch mindset

[tepid gate]

Not a bad idea in general but honestly holding "E" for an extended period of time is rather annoying, at least let us just tap it

I disagree I think it's a perfectly reasonable change to make people more vulnerable while eating

[tight oxide]

Whats funny is in order for something to get full rn they take more meat chunks than their stomach should allow

[tepid gate]

Not a problem in my mind

[tight oxide]

Just funny to think about imo

I would like if they at least let the more nimble creatures fill up faster compared to the bigger and slower things

[tepid gate]

It's not like they're going to design the meat chunks with so much care that they will be just the right size for the amount of food they give, spending time on setting that straight would be the biggest waste of development time since... idk the diets were introduced I guess?

[tight oxide]

You cant tell me a teno would fill its belly quicker than the smaller and faster utah...

But aye that what we have

[tepid gate]

Yea nah, herbivores in general would spend a much, much longer time eating than carnivores

[tight oxide]

They did lower herbivore food item values right?

I hope so because last time i played a herbi one plant could feed alot of ppl

[tight oxide]

Isnt it weird how slow utah gets up compared to the roster too?..

[tepid gate]

Never paid that much attention to it

I only know that Carno gets up relatively faster compared ot other animals

at the same time Utah crawls very fast

Carno is a slowpoke when it comes to crouching

there are some weird minor differences like that between animals and I think that's fine

[tight oxide]

You could say one playable crawling than the other makes sense but how does a heavier creature get up faster than a lighter one make sense

Imo it doesnt fit utah since its a more on the move playable

[proven river]

Utah should stand up faster yes

[tepid gate]

I honestly have no idea how it would work either way and have no idea whether anyone ever tried to... ermm study how fast theropods would either move by crouching or get up from a resting position

Not even in comparison to one another but in general

I think we only have a vague idea of how they'd be sitting and resting

[proven river]

Well ingame, utahraptor though slower is much more nimble and agile than the carnotaurus

[tight oxide]

Well a utah wouldnt be purring like this thats for sure XD

Ah yes im hiding from a carno pack lemme just purr and scratch my neck rq

[tepid gate]

I wasn't even talking about the sounds they'd be making I meant more so how they'd be sitting but again - I don't know much about this topic so I don't want to get into a conversation about that

[proven river]

A Utah wouldn't even be the same creature as it is ingame xD

[tight oxide]

Our utah would lose to a twig

[tepid gate]

And yea Utah irl is a completely different animal than in the game - an irl Utah would turn the in game one into a punching bag very quickly

[tight oxide]

And be in pain with its wrists

[tight oxide]

Irl utah would be slower by a lot though right?

[tepid gate]

Yea, most likely

[tight oxide]

Not sure how it would deal with carno then

[tepid gate]

it's a much more massive animal

[tepid gate]

it wouldn't

[tight oxide]

Just dies on sight lmao

[tepid gate]

irl Carno would make just swathes of the roster go extinct very quickly

[tight oxide]

Im talking irl utah vs ingame carno

Also would irl rex sub adults remove most mid size carnivores we have...?

[tepid gate]

ermm it probably wouldn't handle it very well? Then again if Magy, Tenonto and Cerato can survive in this roster then I don't see why irl utah wouldn't

[tepid gate]

nah irl rex subadults are much smaller than most mid sized carnivores in the game

they would oppress the hell out of the smaller roster though

[tight oxide]

Didnt rex replace the mid size carnivores in its habitat or something..?

[tepid gate]

Yes it did

[tight oxide]

All 3 have been buffed to deal with stuff so ig irl utah can be slightly slower than pachy while being stronger idk?

[tepid gate]

But what I'm saying is that irl subadult Tyrannosaurus is nowhere near as large as the in game "subadult"

[proven river]

Yeah

[tepid gate]

subadult irl = juvenile

[tight oxide]

What was rex to be replacing mid size carnivores

[tepid gate]

This chart shows ontogeny of T.rex

[proven river]

Yeah because juvenile Rex's were smaaaaal bois

[tepid gate]

Jane is a subadult T.rex

the 660kg one

Dinotyrannus IS an adult individual

doesn't mean it wouldn'get bigger but it is an adult animal

still smaller than some of the Allosaurs and Albertosaurs

and if the game was to be extremely accurate T.rex would cause the majority of animals on the roster to just go extinct

[proven river]

Mhm

[tepid gate]

Tyrannosaurus caused a lot of other predators in its habitat to go extinct because the younger T.rexes were just so good at occupying the niches of those other carnivores that they just outcompeted them

[proven river]

This got offtopic fast 😂

We were talking about eating speeds before lol

[tight oxide]

Back to making utah get up faster yea?

[proven river]

Utah gets up slow, change that 👍

[tight oxide]

Well it was utah sounds before rex take over but yea

Utah eats slow, change that 👍

[proven river]

Should utah have a stun if it misses a pounce? No 👍

[limber hull]

It should

Going back to the old EVRIMA Utah would be a mistake

[tight oxide]

If you mean make it release day then nah

[tight oxide]

That utah had a 15n bite at one point-

[proven river]

I wasn't here at evrima release, was it op?

[tight oxide]

Yea

Did op pounce dmg but pounce was a bit buggy

Utah had no alt bite though

[proven river]

Dang

[tight oxide]

Utah didnt have endlag for missing plus bucking wasnt a thing yet

Plus utah was faster and more agile

[proven river]

Oh fudge dude old evrima Utah sounds strong lol

[tight oxide]

Keep in mind that teno didnt do stun at the time

Was fun

[tepid gate]

Evrima's release Utah was a broken piece of garbage, it was absurdly op

[proven river]

Hmm

Ok

[tepid gate]

let me put it this way - there was no AI so you had to kill other players to keep it alive, meanwhile Tenonto could grow to full adult without seeing another player the whole time

cancel that - it could graze all the way to full adult

[tight oxide]

Release utah vs release carno hmmm

[tepid gate]

Utah was still miles better

1v1 I killed pretty much every Tenonto I'd ever fought prior to update 2

[tight oxide]

Didnt utah have more stam back then?

[tepid gate]

Everything had more stam, that's not the point

You weren't pouncing your opponent

hell, pouncing was the one way in which you could actually die

[tight oxide]

Cus pounce didnt work well

[tepid gate]

Pounce did a lot but it was still bad cause if anything went wrong and you bugged out you'd just die

[tight oxide]

You could be pouncing and the victim could still hit you

[tepid gate]

meanwhile you had an extremely reliable bite with 130N damage and insane mobility - both speed and maneuverability that were just unmatched

Utah ran slightly slower than current Carno

[proven river]

@gusty pelican that idea sounds fun until people abuse it and use it to cheat.

[tight oxide]

Doesnt help how adult utah looked like juvies LMAO

[proven river]

[tepid gate]

Idk what you mean by that

[proven river]

There was a bug where adult Dino models were babies lol

[tepid gate]

Not that it mattered, juvie Utah was really strong too even though it couldn't pounce

[tight oxide]

You dont remember that bug?

[tepid gate]

nope

When did this bug happen?

[tight oxide]

Adult utahs looked like juvies

On release day

Watch some release evrima videos

[tepid gate]

oh

[tight oxide]

People legit die because they thought a adult was a juvie

[tepid gate]

that, yea there was a tonne of bugs like that on release

tbh I only started playing Evrima the next day, I was too busy on that day to care about its release

it was releasing very late at night for me in the first place and I had to go to uni the next day so...

[small anchor]

@dim ore if you feel embarrassing nesting with animations its simple just don't do it, don't play as female, don't look right to the animation

[limber hull]

its really not that weird if you dont treat it as weird, it's just a thing animals do, there's nothing inherently strange about it

they arent giving live birth, they're just moving as an egg appears

[proven river]

@small anchor I think they were implying changing the horn m8 XD

also yeah dude these are animals and that's what they do, you don't have to look at it

[urban flax]

I'm pretty sure dinosaur horns have keeatin sheats, and thus would be xolorable tho

I don't think it's very good to leave your bones exposed like that

[small anchor]

As he said "skin" i thought it was talking about colours

[small anchor]

horns are made to be exposed, like elephant horns, bulls, etc

[urban flax]

But all of these have a sheath of some sort, be it keratin or ivory
The bone itself isn't exposed

[small anchor]

I mean yeah, I know that, but there's no point in coloring it anyway.. The material doesn't color

[urban flax]

Yes it does
Have you ever heard about hair ?

And all of these concerns are pretty much useless anyay, The Isle isn't a fully realistic game, I don't see a problem if they allowed animals to have colorful horns

[proven river]

a triceratops with a blue horn would look ugly tbh, i think they should stay as they are.

[proven river]

also he said like how there are different skin patters

[small anchor]

Yes

[urban flax]

"replace stego with something smaller and weaker"
Mentions para
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/953033401252843561/trim.98AF022E-FB5B-4ECC-8C2E-A64454D87812.mov

[uneven mist]

Allo fodder

[urban flax]

Well para dies to a single velociraptor in JWE
So one allo could probably murder an entire herd

[dry phoenix]

Para is apex

cool, didnt know

Mb it weights 6 t, has 4000 hp and can kill carno from 1 hit?

*and 1000 dmg also

[urban flax]

Considering how weight and health currently works in evrima if it's 6 tons it has 6000 hp

[uneven mist]

Its because Herbivores eat grass and die

[urban flax]

What would do 1000 damage ? A bite ?

[dry phoenix]

stego tail

[dry phoenix]

Stego

[urban flax]

I'm not sure what your point is
Para would probably weigh much more than 6 tons

[uneven mist]

Thats outdated, weight = health now

[urban flax]

Also removing stego isn't an option unless you remove deino too

I prefer seeing herds of stegos strolling on land rather than herds of deinos doing it

[uneven mist]

Here is a solution, make deino 4 tons( make it d.rugosus) and replace stego with kentro/dibble, easy fix

[dry phoenix]

Lol, he dont. He isnt even 4 tonns. Even deino can grab it.

[urban flax]

google search

[dry phoenix]

yep

and u have other info?

let me see

a para that weights 6 tonns

[uneven mist]

Google isn’t the best, it said that titanaboa ran 50m/h

[urban flax]

Some of the most recent discoveries, albeit fragmentary, would put para close to 14 or even 15 tons

I don't have sources from the top of my head, but you can ask in #paleotalk

Also afaik there's quite a lot of species of paras

[dry phoenix]

hahahah, u are talking about shanta

[uneven mist]