general-feedback-discussion

[mellow maple]

He can go straight to hell and never return 👋

[bleak bison]

It’s nice to meet you wheat. I have to eternally disagree my boy. 🤝

[mellow maple]

We can agree to disagree 🤝

Texture quality is absolutely gorgeous though. No argument there.

Execution, 10/10. I just hate its concept so much LOL

[bleak bison]

🤝

[limber hull]

Isle Spino looks cool and I like paleo. I just don't care enough about a cool looking design not looking paleo-accurate to cause a scene

[barren zephyr]

Nobody asked but I’m pretty neutral on the topic of isle spino. Some aspects are neat, the fictionalization seems a little overdone. 👏

[limber hull]

Isle Utahraptor literally exists

[mellow maple]

its the headshape, if the skull was actually better I would not be complaining. It's not even gameplay. Its me nitpicking how it looks LMAO

[barren zephyr]

I just wish they’d buff isle utah up a little more, otherwise it’s ight.

[mellow maple]

Also, would be nice to beef its tail

I don't want a paddle-fluke, but I think weaponized tail would be pretty sick. And be an advantageous tool for Spino

Tapwing did a piece on it

[bleak bison]

I think they want Utah to be a pack hunter so they try and make it weaker on its own

[mellow maple]

A literal greatsword for a tail pls

[barren zephyr]

I mean that’s true, I don’t see a bit more bulk to it hurting though.

[bleak bison]

True

[white torrent]

That’s awful. Any dinosaur should be able to stand on its own, for solo players. I never pack up, so if something like.. Cerato, had to be in a group to be effective, that would genuinely ruin my game experience

[outer sphinx]

Hypsi literally exists and no one is making a fit about it

[bleak bison]

Tell that to the devs

I haven’t played Utah in ages so idk how it performs

[limber hull]

paleoaccuracy only matters if its the cool dinos, lame dinos dont matter and thus can be innacurate

[outer sphinx]

utah has been in the same state for prob a year now, could be a menace... if it actually worked

[limber hull]

also utah isn't exactly weak on its own

i've seen fuckers kill adult tenos with an adult utah only using bite

[outer sphinx]

true, its most that this community loves to be selective

[limber hull]

which is fucking lunatic and the dude is insane but the point stands

[outer sphinx]

nah Utah are literally Dark Souls players

[bleak bison]

One thing I do think Is that Utah should lose less stam whilst pouncing

Your Stam drains in 2 seconds

[limber hull]

ehhh, that's for good reason tho

pounce bleed is literally otherworldly

[outer sphinx]

utah can run for miles, its fair that its ability will drain that more

[limber hull]

its so fucking terrifying for anyone fighting a utah that if it can stay on you for long, you're just dead

[last lily]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAXnaQm0TD0

[outer sphinx]

its stam is like the best in the game (exageration)

[bleak bison]

You can buck

[limber hull]

It drains stam way slower on a non-bucking target

Like a full pounce on a pachy with no bucking just basically outright kills the pachy

[outer sphinx]

plus if they buck, doesnt it consume like half the defenders stam in seconds?

[limber hull]

the defender's stam also gets brutalised, yea

and if you get 4 utahs on at once, that buck cost is lunaticc

and with bleed regen debuffs, that stam isn't coming back

[outer sphinx]

utah has had the same problem for a year, it just doeast fuckin work, it works when it feels like it wants

[maiden anvil]

@bleak bison even tho I agree with your suggestion, I don’t think cherry is interested in going to deep waters at all. If there should be one animals that does the “hippo walk” instead of swimming, it should be spino. I also hope sucho won’t be able to dive either

[limber hull]

if a pack of utahs starts a fight off well with a stego, it's literally a snowball effect and the stego is basically doomed

[outer sphinx]

it hard to judge something that barely works

[limber hull]

Also IDK why you said sucho would be a diver lmao

Very unlikely, both irl and in the isle it's portrayed as a shallows defender

[maiden anvil]

Exactly my point

[outer sphinx]

if sucho starts diving im pulling the cord...

[urban flax]

Spino hippo walking is nice
As long as it can swim too

Remember kids, a semiaquatic animal that breathes air but can't swim is unviable

[bleak bison]

I don’t think it’s about if the Dino would be interested in going into deep water it’s about if the player wants to. Which they will certainly want to

[maiden anvil]

What if spino could swim but would require efforts to not sink to the button?

[maiden anvil]

Fair

[last lily]

Just put all your points in INT and destroy the ecosystem.

[bleak bison]

Also I’m making an assumption that sucho will be able to dive since every other semi aquatic has been confirmed to apart from cherry rn

[outer sphinx]

tf is this... destiny?

[urban flax]

It works
It just needs the ability to swim so it doesn't just drown in its favorite environment

[bleak bison]

And since spino is bigger and Barry is smaller and both can dive it makes sense that sucho will be able to as well

Since it’s the middle of the two

[maiden anvil]

Sucho doesn’t need to dive and neither it has the physical proportions to do it

[last lily]

Intelligent animals often being assholes, and one particular group of them having done really well despite being incredibly fragile and unable to outrun most predators .

Snack on two legs inherit the earth.

[outer sphinx]

dolphin screeches intensify

[limber hull]

no it doesnt???

[maiden anvil]

Tho I would prefer spino to walk on the water floor but yeah, it being able to swim by just a little is necessary

[bleak bison]

A semi aquatic that can’t dive? Idk.

[outer sphinx]

these are 3 dif animals, not pokemon evolutions

[limber hull]

just because it's the middle of two spinosaurids does not mean it needs to dive, when it has a very well defined niche as a shallows bully/defender

[bleak bison]

I can’t see a world where they give every semi aquatic a dive but not sucho

[maiden anvil]

It’s not about how big it is. It’s about the physical build and what niche it has

[outer sphinx]

you seen herons? and other similar birds, technically they can be called semi aquatic but dont really dive, thats sucho in this context

[limber hull]

Sucho has not only no need to dive, but its role in-game and irl evidence support it NOT diving

[maiden anvil]

I barely agree with bary and spino being able to dive at all and it’s just a big NO to sucho diving

[bleak bison]

I’m not saying it should or shouldn’t dive I just can’t see them not giving it a dive

[outer sphinx]

bary is fine imo, as its way smaller and could suit such gameplay

but right on the edge

[limber hull]

honestly, spino diving in concept art was a surprise to me too, but not an unwelcome one

[bleak bison]

I personally don’t think sucho diving is a bad idea

[limber hull]

now im hoping that the sucho concept art comes out and settles if it can or cannot dive

[limber hull]

i personally see no point for it. It's niche is best suited to shallow wader bully, it being in depths just would lead it being bullied by the far more aquatically mobile and lethal deino

I honestly think using the dive would just be poor decision-making for any competent sucho

[outer sphinx]

if sucho dives it needs deep waters, where deino and spino exits... yea not a happy ending

[bleak bison]

A semi aquatic the size of sucho havung a niche that’s for shallows would be disappointing

[limber hull]

At least bary is small and nimble enough to get away from these guys, but sucho is both slow and not exactly designed to be outswimming either spino or deino

[outer sphinx]

flamingos are pretty big birds and have the same niche? we have plenty of irl examples

whats so weird with sucho having it?

if you want to dive there's spino

[bleak bison]

Are flamingos comparable to a suchomimus

[outer sphinx]

they are birds, the closest ex

[limber hull]

Sucho being another depth-diving river monster rather than a unique and interesting niche in an environment where it can get constant action and combat would be disappointing

[bleak bison]

It can have a dive and still be unique by giving it other things

[limber hull]

Sucho would be living it up as a brawler in shallows from every animal entering its turf to escape the depth beasts

[outer sphinx]

i just hope they will add a shallow swamp/ marsh, where cherry and sucho would stay most, where smalls could dive aswell

[limber hull]

Sure, you can give it a dive, but it'd be literally worse than useless, since you'd have two predators which you can't fight and have faster and better dives

[bleak bison]

Well you don’t know that yet

[outer sphinx]

you can give it but it will almost never get a worth usecase

[limber hull]

So yea, you can have a dive, but it'd not only be paleontologically inaccurate, but utterly fucking useless against two of your biggest threats in that ecosystem

[bleak bison]

And idk how the devs want to do it

[outer sphinx]

where it can find the space needed to dive there'l be a spino or deino close by

[limber hull]

Explain to me how a sucho is outswimming either spino or deino, who both have specialised bodies for swimming

[bleak bison]

There’s not going to be a spino or deino in every water source

[outer sphinx]

god forbit there's 2 deinos since the fuckers live in swarms

[bleak bison]

Run out of water

[limber hull]

That is the opposite of a dive

[bleak bison]

It gives it an option to escape

[limber hull]

So the dive's purpose is to put the sucho in more danger

Awesome

[bleak bison]

Obviously not

[barren zephyr]

Sucho's super bulky though

[limber hull]

Just let it be a shallow wader, why is this so offensive to you

[barren zephyr]

I think defense would be a better fit than running

[outer sphinx]

bulkier than deino or spino?

[barren zephyr]

Yeah kinda

[limber hull]

????

[outer sphinx]

[bleak bison]

Sucho only being a shallow water is a waste

[limber hull]

No it isn't?

[barren zephyr]

Not heavier but certainly less streamlined

[bleak bison]

We can agree to disagree

[limber hull]

That's like saying deino only being deep water is a waste

[outer sphinx]

deino is literally a plank

[urban flax]

Hey I just noticed how anky in the concept art is almost as big as spino

I know we shouldn't judge concept arts for dinosaurs scales, but it looks promising

[bleak bison]

Good anky needed an upsize

[outer sphinx]

well more like just under his shoulders

but knowing how big spino is...

[limber hull]

With diverse water biomes and ecosystems, sucho being our resident shallow predator would be awesome, especially if they got given the ability to pack-up against the shallow apex of deinocherius

[urban flax]

We know TI's spino is probably extremely upsized compared to irl spino too

[outer sphinx]

in fairness we are still waiting for the first part lol

[limber hull]

Fair

But we're also waiting for cherry and sucho so

[outer sphinx]

i woulnt be surprised the moment we get cherry or sucho we get more diverse water biomes

[limber hull]

Honestly I'm kinda surprised at how little waders there are planned, but I do hope cherry and sucho keep that identity rather than being hamfisted into another deep diver

[outer sphinx]

since they would need that, austro and beipi have some spots already they can live in

[bleak bison]

@barren zephyr umm what did you say the spino concept did to you?

[outer sphinx]

deep water cherry... oh no...

[bleak bison]

🤨

[barren zephyr]

A second aquatics update would be a nice way to add them

It turned me, like I hated it but I've turned to thinking it's alright

[bleak bison]

Oh right silly me😅

[limber hull]

someone literally just suggested that shit in general feedback

ORNI DID

[urban flax]

Everyone talks about deep water cherry but... what about COASTAL cherry ?

[limber hull]

you cant do this

[outer sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/moana-delete-maui-delete-this-gif-15101621

[limber hull]

cruelty

[bleak bison]

What a waste

[outer sphinx]

nah nah, mountain goat cherry is where its at

[urban flax]

It would be great so it can interact with mosa

[bleak bison]

Also giving cheirus a hippo walk doesn’t mean it’s going to be a deep water animal. It’s just an ability it has

[limber hull]

There are only a few animals I really can see living up the coastal niche

[limber hull]

Doesn't at all need it tho and makes very little sense for the animal but sure

[barren zephyr]

The best case scenario is that perks allow a dinosaur to change it's niche substantially

[outer sphinx]

not fukin proto

[limber hull]

IDFK why everything has to be in a river

[bleak bison]

Well this is a game so let’s let loose a little

[limber hull]

IDK, I kinda like the proposed mega/proto coastal interactions

[outer sphinx]

mega was made for coastal?

thought that was velo

[limber hull]

Mega gives me coastal vibes because of the komodo relations

[bleak bison]

Also if a semi aquatic the size of cheirus can’t go into deep water what’s the point of it being a semi aquatic

[outer sphinx]

understandable

[limber hull]

????

I think you have a weird interpretation of what semi-aquatic actually means

[outer sphinx]

semi aquatic doesnt mean just diving

[bleak bison]

Obviously

[outer sphinx]

have you seen water buffalos?

[bleak bison]

Yes they can dive Under water

[urban flax]

Being the size of cheirus justifies not being able to dive, because it wouldn't need to in most bodies of water
Cause y'know... it's big

[barren zephyr]

water buffalos can go underwater

[bleak bison]

Oh my imagine if all cheirus can do is wade 😭

[urban flax]

irl almost every animal can go underwater

[bleak bison]

Finished animal

[outer sphinx]

any animal can go, doesnt mean part of their day to day lifestyle

[barren zephyr]

you know that's not what we're saying

[limber hull]

I'm genuinely confused why you hate waders so much

[bleak bison]

I don’t hate them it’s a game

[urban flax]

Yeah that's my point
If in a game, an animal isn't suppoed to go underwater, then don't make it able to

[limber hull]

You literally hate anything having the wader niche

[bleak bison]

I like austro having a wading niche

[limber hull]

???????

I'm losing it guys

[outer sphinx]

austro i can barely say is a wader...

[limber hull]

I'm going off the rails

OH I GET IT NOW

[outer sphinx]

enlighten us

[limber hull]

Diver niche = cool
Wader niche = lame
Big animal = cool
Small animal = lame

I cracked the code

[bleak bison]

Cheirus can still be a wader and have a hippo walk? Why not best of both worlds😊

[urban flax]

Austro is the least credible wader of all semiaquatics... except beipi and minmi

[limber hull]

Cool animal get cool niche lame animal get lame niche

[barren zephyr]

I think cherry sinking works fine for the animal, even if it's a wader.

[bleak bison]

Are you alright you seem to be reaching abit lad?

[limber hull]

You literally treat cherry and sucho wading like the end of the world, but you're totally happy with austro being a wader

Not really a reach

[bleak bison]

All three can wade and dive

[urban flax]

I think cherry should just swim like any other dino

[outer sphinx]

why must it sink? its not anky

[bleak bison]

Why not let them,it’s not the end of the world.

[urban flax]

Maybe a little bit faster or more efficiently since it has big arms to help itself

[bleak bison]

But if I’m so undoubtedly wrong then so be it I guess

[limber hull]

Cherry should be able to swim, sure. Not saying these bastards shouldn't swim, but sucho diving is unneeded, inaccurate and useless, same with cherry

[barren zephyr]

it doesn't need to, I'd just like it. It's a neat thing that helps differentiate it a bit.

[bleak bison]

Can you use the inaccurate argument when a decent amount of the isles dinosaurs aren’t accurate

[outer sphinx]

ehh, i could see cherry both sinking and swimming but imo it should be able to swim

[urban flax]

I agree that having some semi-aquatics animals that don't dive could be for a nice change, if they got a niche to compliment it
Teno is almost semi-aquatic, yet it doesn't dive and it's fine

[limber hull]

I can see a lot of potential in a shallow wader niche for both these animals, they don't NEED to stray to the depths and dive in order to be engaging

[outer sphinx]

btw, bc the only thing we have RN is deep waters doesnt define every future character to fill that niche

[limber hull]

My core issue with your argument is diving adds little to nothing to the core intended gameplay loop of these animals, and in some cases can be outright detrimental, so why add it if all it does is piss off people who care about paleo-accuracy and not really give anything to the people who play the animal

[barren zephyr]

I can see it, but I'd like a semi-aquatic to have that movement style and it fits cherry to a decent extent.

[bleak bison]

I have to disagree

But idc about an opinion now. Have a good day everyone

[limber hull]

It's a lose-lose by adding diving, it's just an ability that is both mechanically irrelevant and realistically inaccurate

[barren zephyr]

If our cherry had more feathers I think I'd prefer swimming.

[barren zephyr]

@barren zephyr or the Anky can just simply disintegrate Spinos bones before letting it even get the chance to flip it

That would be high-risk, yeah.

The only time I see Anky be flipped is if it's either stupid or gets ambushed

In which case it's also stupid

Also, looks like the Anky and Spino are by water

[calm granite]

5hrs to get flipped lmao

[barren zephyr]

I think that is Spino's behavior, Raptor Jesus. It's a very intelligent but sadistic animal.

Honestly, that might be all the creature is.

[steel field]

The anky forgot to hold shift + w 🗿

[barren zephyr]

Also forgot to just press rmb and shatter the ankles

[gleaming mesa]

Anky gets flipped and screams like a child

[manic flint]

And then there's minmi

[topaz palm]

I'd rather have pelagornis be the flyer that dives for elite fish. Pteranodon having skim feeding is already really unique in and of itself, and it's engaging and sometimes risky to do. Having to make sure your height above the water is juuust so that you can reach into the water without falling in requires constant attention, while also requiring you to maneuver around to catch the fish. And it leaves you vulnerable to deinos too, since even without the vertical lunge, they can collide with you and grab you from the air while you're skimming, not to mention that if you slip up and fall in, you have to rush back to the shore as fast as possible. Skim feeding is already fun imo, and it helps cement ptera as the most aerial flyer, whereas pelagornis is likely to be the semi-aquatic one.

[signal beacon]

I really hope there is more to spino than "ROAAAR I KILL THE APEX"
it's concept art made it look like it just bodies everything and does nothing else.

[manic flint]

No juvies
No eggs
No FISH
No sleeping, marking territory, nothing

Just grrr spino angy kills everything

[white torrent]

Bad spino, don’t booli Minmi

[gritty helm]

[real rock]

@viscid frost , i think its a good idea , but it shouldnt be more than maybe 2 or 3 more .
Even if many have the Perk

[icy lion]

No major reason, it just doesn't fit with the game to me personally

Even if you were to make it more tropical

[proven river]

@barren zephyr ok but point being?

[limber hull]

@eternal owl they're adding the real utahraptor and renaming the current one

[eternal owl]

Spaghettification has been delayed

[limber hull]

giving the real utahraptor actually fitting stats for such an animal

[outer sphinx]

they will prob change a bit more about this utah (like weight)

[limber hull]

personally, i think irl utah will be fucked because it's probably really poorly designed to survive in the Isle's ecosystem but we'll see

[urban flax]

Wait until they add irl utah and heavily fictionalize it so it can be viable

[outer sphinx]

i mean they could just bump up its speed but then thats not really utah...

they made a bold decision with this one

[urban flax]

Like increase ts speed, make it smaller and give it a pounce

[outer sphinx]

hmm, almost like i've seen that before

[bleak bison]

@icy lion why was my general feedback suggestion deleted for “not being constructive” but humanoidtroodontid can say he’ll inject spaghetti into the devs veins and that can still be up🤦🏼‍♂️

But I guess that’s constructive

[low canopy]

interesting feedback, i better read that

[barren zephyr]

@proven river the point is all elders looks good , rex not enough

[proven river]

Ok, I just thought you were saying they look too scary

[barren zephyr]

nooo

my english just bad and nobody understand me

[proven river]

Also why is rex elder bad?

[barren zephyr]

dont but just dont scary enough

[proven river]

Ohh ok, yes I agree

Sorry for the confusion

[barren zephyr]

all good 😄 bad*

[icy lion]

Maybe because it was 12:38am when the message was posted and 3:02am when you pinged me. Go figure

There's a whole role to ping instead of just me, if you really want

[bleak bison]

Go figure something I didn’t know🙃I pinged you to see if you were bias but you seemingly weren’t. The other people in your role should’ve deleted but I guess they thought it was a valid suggestion

Fair enough 🤷🏼‍♂️

[icy lion]

Or they were also unavailable to check the channel. You can ping the mod role whenever you feel something was posted that doesn't belong.

[covert nest]

Idnod#CeratoU5Playable . Yeah...😒 The devs had a lot of work to make the dinosaur good and how is supposed to be and you and other people want them to remove only because it doesn't have big predators. Please... just stop... That is why we have utah and even tho the pounce is bugged sometimes, he is still useful against stegos, because one pack of 5 utahs can take out a stego or 2 if they are well coordinated and playing like a team. In other hand, carnos cant do that because they are bigger (so bigger hitbox) and they cant do what utahs do (pounce). That is why, while there is no apex predators, we have utah to do a type of "replace" while they aren't in the game. So, NO, the devs wont remove stegos, because they probably had a lot of work to make the dinosaur and we have utah to "replace" the apex predators that, for now, aren't in the game.

[ashen wasp]

Kentro would certainly be a better pick for the current Evrima gang, but once we start getting larger predators Stego will become relevant again. it was definitely added before the ecosystem was ready for it

[proven river]

^^^^^^^Thank you!!^^^^^^^^

[proven river]

agreed but removing it now, would be a fatally flawed move.

@tender ridge for your message in phase two requests: it is way too early to even consider the possibility of another game in the cenezoic era, and even then wouldn't they basically just be reskinned dinos with different animations?

[barren zephyr]

1. "A lot of work". Okay. Yes, there was a lot of work done on stego, but this work was mainly made long before Stego and even Evrima was released publicly.

2. This is not about "Bigger predators". Idc about bigger predators at the current moment aside from Cera(which won't kill stego anyways) so that has nothing to do with it.

3. No. Utah's, even when coordinated can hardly kill any stego that has half a brain. Even with no bugs on the pounce there are plenty of counters against Utahs.

You forget that throughout almost the entire fight the Stego is the one controlling that fight, not the Utahs. The Stego chooses the location.
A stego, technically speaking, can quite literally just lay down, sleep and log out. And it wouldn't die in time.
A stego can simply go to water. which fucks with Utah's dismount as it drastically slows them down and allows the stego to simply swat them.
A stego can simply use a cliff or any high place to simply make a Utah chuck itself off and die from a fall.
A stego can also position itself against a hill, so that the dismounting Utah is right next to it, allowing for an easy swat.
The stego can use trees and bushes, which still make it harder to land the pounce, and make it a larger risk to go in for one because either your vision of the stego is blocked, or that tree will be hit instead of the stego.
A stego can use turning against a Utah to mess with the dismount since it is camera based.
Stego can also(just as any dino) for some reason still buck whilst out of stamina, meaning that you can endlessly buck the Utah and kill their stamina.
Putting all these together, and having the stego be just average IQ all they have to do is use any of these options, stand fuckin' still and be patient and they win.
Utah is not a counter to stego, and it'll never be. Because aside from Anky, Stego is the 2nd worst choice of anything to be hunted as a Utah. It is probably the apex with the most reach and an entire massive AOE.

Any stego, that knows what it's doing will never die.

[proven river]

utahs kill stegos all the time lol, what u on about XD?

[barren zephyr]

Stegos that don't know how to play, yes

[proven river]

sure

[barren zephyr]

Yes.

I stick to that.

Because it's true

[proven river]

I've been in a pack that's hunted multiple stegos, it's not that hard lol

[barren zephyr]

I'm talking about fully grown, btw

[proven river]

duh

so am I

[barren zephyr]

And did any of these stegos use the environment, and for that, use it correctly to benefit them?

[covert nest]

What? I've seen a lot of times utahs killing stegos and Im not saying that utah counters stego. Im just saying that can be a good or decent predator against stego since he is the only one who is able to not be hitted by stego because has a small hitbox and pounce

[proven river]

^

[barren zephyr]

But it isn't a good predator against any stego with half a brain

Stego is still the 2nd worst choice for Utah to hunt aside Anky

[proven river]

not particularly, stego players are mainly braindead anyways

[barren zephyr]

It's an animal with a massive reaching AOE attack

[proven river]

which also leaves a massive opening

[barren zephyr]

Exactly. Now imagine if any of them were actually smart

[barren zephyr]

But it doesn't

[proven river]

they're not and never will be

[proven river]

and yes it does

[valid elk]

Wanna discuss my suggestions?

[barren zephyr]

Not really

[proven river]

sure

[barren zephyr]

Yeah, it allows you one pounce lmao

[manic flint]

We don't need more playables

[proven river]

it's much better than what we've got going on now

[barren zephyr]

Then after that it means you die after dismount lmao

Any stego with half a brain that knows how to use the environment will never die unless it's an actual massive megapack of things.

[proven river]

stego can't attack directly after you dismount off a pounce... anyways boverisuchus

[barren zephyr]

It can lmao

You can time it to be able to do so

[valid elk]

Gonna stop you right there and say that Punch still hasn't picked an animal for his dev pick, and every dev gets to choose an animal for the game. That can be your opinion, but I want to make suggestions for what will inevitably happen anyway.

[proven river]

no it can't, I've played stego against utahs, the swing literally doesn't work when a utah dimounts

[valid elk]

I think we can all agree Stego was added too soon.

[outer sphinx]

wait punch hasnt picked yet?

[proven river]

anyways, this conversation is a waste of time between two opinions so lets talk about something worth our time

[proven river]

I can read bozo

[valid elk]

As far as I know, he hasn't

[manic flint]

That's a terrible way of picking animals for a game
We already have over 50 in a game with a player cap of 100

But fair enough if you want to influence Punch's animal

[outer sphinx]

interesting

[barren zephyr]

Yeah, and it should be fuckin yeetus deleetus and replaced with Kentro

[valid elk]

I agree.

[barren zephyr]

The only people who'll complain are the stego players

[covert nest]

a good pack with good utahs can easily know when to dismount after stego buck.

[outer sphinx]

watch kentro be even more aids to fight

[barren zephyr]

Nope

[proven river]

and what? waste another 5 months animating one dino to replace one you want removed because your salty?

[valid elk]

No?

[barren zephyr]

Not salty

[covert nest]

Yes. Literally

[barren zephyr]

It's just quite literal balance breaking

[proven river]

yeah you're salty m8

[valid elk]

Stego has no predators to actively hunt it. When that happens, most ecosystems need a balance. Remember the cane toad problem in Australia?

[barren zephyr]

I play stego from time to time myself and it's un-fun af because nothing can kill me

And Ik nothing can kill me

[proven river]

sure

[barren zephyr]

Stego is literally so balance-breaking that any decent stego player lit dies of boredom

Because they yeet themselves off cliffs

The only thing that can kill them

[proven river]

then instead of fucking removing it make something to balance it

[barren zephyr]

You can't balance stego lmao, sorry

You just can't

[covert nest]

Thats why we have UTAH, ffs, currently now, utah is the best predator against stego because he is the only one who can kill him.

[barren zephyr]

Utah doesn't do shit

[proven river]

ok thats crossed the line of stupidity, yes you can

[outer sphinx]

and that will likely fuck it even more bc what kills that?

[barren zephyr]

Didn't you read anything I said

[proven river]

something else that stego can kill. it's called an ecosystem

[barren zephyr]

Or

[valid elk]

In a pack. And...how reliable is pack hunting with how bugged pounce is?

[proven river]

ok well I'm off, this is a waste of my time and I have better things to do

bye

[outer sphinx]

nothing will be a 50/50 where both hunter and hunted will keep eachother in check

[barren zephyr]

Replace the Land apex that isn't "water locked" and replace it with its smaller and still more endangered cousin

Kentro may be a massive defensive power, but it's still not as invincible as Stego

[covert nest]

the pounce isnt always bugged, just sometimes

[barren zephyr]

It's not about bugs

[outer sphinx]

it is bugged, it beeing inconsistent is a bug

[barren zephyr]

Even if pounce wasn't bugged, any stego with half a brain won't die to Utahs

The issue is not and will not be bugged pounce

Because the second any stego uses its environment and that in any good way, it won the fight

[valid elk]

Not to mention how ridiculous Stegos attack is. It's a jab instead of a swipe.

[barren zephyr]

A stego lit outtanks Utah bites

[outer sphinx]

nah its just british

[uneven mist]

Just nerf stegos bloodpool and stam to hell so that utahs can kill it but that’s the only way i could think of

[barren zephyr]

Just lay down and sleep once you start losing

[outer sphinx]

nerfing its bloodpool means nerfing its weight

[barren zephyr]

And then that would leave stego to be "ass" which again would have everyone complain because now Utah has a too easy time and the Utahs get bored

[uneven mist]

what

[barren zephyr]

Like I said

[outer sphinx]

bloodpool, hp and weight are all tied

[barren zephyr]

You just can't balance stego in Evrima roster

[outer sphinx]

they have the same values

[outer sphinx]

in current roster to be more exact

[uneven mist]

Thought only hp and weight was tied

[barren zephyr]

Yeah, Evrima roster

[outer sphinx]

nope, blood too lol

thats why some things can die in mere nanoseconds to bleed and others years

[barren zephyr]

Deino takes even longer to bleed out than Stego lmao

8k blood pool + bleed res

[outer sphinx]

true, 8k blood points and bleed resistance

[barren zephyr]

Deino is still not as problematic as stego tho

[outer sphinx]

deino is pretty shafted, barely afraid to cross water

[valid elk]

Here is my take: take Stego out and replace it with Kentro. Kentro is small enough to be threatened by Carno, but strong enough to defend itself.

Then, once animals like Allosaurus and Brontosaurus are in, put Stego back in with tweaked animations and attacks.

[barren zephyr]

Tbh

Even not replacing it with Kentro rn and just deleting it I'd have 0 problems with

[outer sphinx]

add maggy in its place

[barren zephyr]

As much as I hate it, sure Ig

[outer sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-burning-hell-gif-4808980

[covert nest]

Stego is balanced. He is in the game for a reason, just forget because they wont remove it.

[barren zephyr]

Evrima is the roster consisting of Extra smalls, smalls and semi-mids, and it should stay that fuckin' way

[outer sphinx]

he is in a game bc he was already finished, literally thats it

no other reason

[covert nest]

so just let it be

[outer sphinx]

just that they where working on apexes at the time then had a change of mind

[covert nest]

No reason to remove tho

[barren zephyr]

The reason is "Well, we couldn't get AI done in time so have the OP 6 ton fat globber with 1250 dmg and human brain"

[barren zephyr]

Yes there is lmao

It's called ahem

Balance

[covert nest]

thats the same thing when people argue about nerfing carno. Now tell me... did they do so? No. So if they still didnt nerf carno, they wont remove stego that its more "problematic" then nerfing a dinosaur

[valid elk]

Here is the thing

[signal beacon]

Remove stego and deino.
Problem solved

[barren zephyr]

You can nerf and buff carno to the point where it's balanced and fun, you can't do that with stego

[covert nest]

Literally no xD

[barren zephyr]

I mean, deleting Stego now and keeping deino until bary is in is fine by me

[outer sphinx]

ehh deino doesnt really do much, just stays and overdoses on copium 24/7

[barren zephyr]

Deino is still not as problematic as Stego

[covert nest]

The only thing that they can do is to add a apex predator to the game, because trust me, they wont remove stego

[signal beacon]

Deino is cringe which is valid reason to remove it

[barren zephyr]

That would be even WORSE lmao

[covert nest]

xD

[barren zephyr]

No fucking land apex should be added at all

[valid elk]

The largest land carnivore in game, Carnotaurus...doesn't even hunt Stego. Raptors do, and raptors can barely handle Pachy and Teno by themselves.

And then you have Deinosuchus, who is sort of fine. Really, it hunts medium to small prey, so it should balance out a bit more once more prey items are in game.

[covert nest]

Why would be worse?

it can reduce stego´s population

[barren zephyr]

Are you actually asking that?

Khaens don't say anything

[outer sphinx]

you do not stop a fire by throwing more coal into it

[barren zephyr]

Carlos. Just. Just give it a little more thought as to why an apex land carnivore would be stupid

[covert nest]

If you want a balanced game, we need to think how many dinosaurs are in each "tiers". Lets see: In the lowest tier, there is dryo, hypsi and pterodon. In the second lowest tier, there is utah and pachy. In the mid tier, there is carno and tenonto. And in the highest tier, there is stego and deino. But here is the problem. Deino is not a land predator, its a semi-aquatic and it only can kill stego if pounces on him and pushes him into the water to drown him. So we need a land apex predator to solve this problem (because the devs wont remove him, just forget that). BUT its true, it can be worse in one side, but if they had other herbivore dinosaur of the same tier then stego, then the game can become balanced.

[barren zephyr]

Actually that's wrong

[covert nest]

then tell me what is wrong

[outer sphinx]

the thing is, its not the rest that are outliers, its stego, stego is the outlier, we have carefully picked smalls and smoothly to mids, then jumped an ocean and got to an apex

[valid elk]

My mans really out here asking for the Rite of Spring

https://tenor.com/view/le-sacre-du-printemps-fighting-a-sagração-da-primavera-the-rite-of-spring-igor-stravinsky-gif-11694552

[barren zephyr]

Hypsi is the lowest rn, being an extra small
Utah, Pachy, Dryo and Ptera are actually the 2nd lowest, being smalls.
Carno and Teno are semi-mids
And Stego and Deino are apex's, yes.

Anyways, back to why apex carnivores that are on land are dumb.

Carno is overpopulating rn, right?

[covert nest]

yes

[barren zephyr]

Now imagine that, but rex/spino or Giga

[outer sphinx]

carno and teno are straight up mids imo, tho on the smaller side

[barren zephyr]

Semi-mids

Mids are stuff like Allo lmao

[valid elk]

I think that has to do more with Carno being the only mid in game. Besides, I've met too many cannibals as a baby Carno, I just bolt the other direction if I even see one.

[outer sphinx]

eh, understandable

[barren zephyr]

Allo or any other mid largely outclasses them

[valid elk]

Cerato will hopefully keep balance by hunting smaller Carnos along the treeline and bullying Carnos off their kills in packs

[outer sphinx]

yes, mids is a very varied group, from low 1kgs to 3-4kg

[covert nest]

and thats why I said, maybe add other apex herbivore stronger then stego, because they will probably be always in packs and so the apex predator has lower chance to overpopulate, because it will be difficult to him to hunt.

[barren zephyr]

But that lit just leads to overpopulation of apexes

Because everyone wants to be the big bad

Why would I go Utah if I can be the OP large dino

Or any other small creature

AKA: Legacy Syndrome

[outer sphinx]

then that fucks everything up, we didnt build up slowly, we jumped an ocean, what next, we add giga to counter steg, then what we ad trike to counter that, then rex for that and so on, and everything below them gets screwed over

there's a reason they chose for apexes to be last but for some reason they just couldnt have kept stego inside till that time for bonus content

[valid elk]

Well, I have seen Carnos hunt Stegos in packs of three to four...

[covert nest]

that is not true. Not everyone wants to be the big bad, because lets be honest, there is a lot of dinos to choose. And different people choose different dinos. Btw, I see more pachys, deinos and carnos then stegos. So here is other thing that shows you that not everyone thinks the same way, that wants to be the big bad.

[barren zephyr]

Because the small ones there could actually kill bigger things

[outer sphinx]

people will choose the big guys, legacy is to show for it, the only time they werent chosen is bc some of the smaller guys could kill the big guys with ease

specifically utah and dilo

[covert nest]

But the problem is that you dont have to compare legacy with evrima. Evrima is so much more diversified in terms of attacks, movement and etc. and so every dino is unique which causes different people to pick different dinos.

[valid elk]

I do wanna point this out though

Legacy apexes were usually insanely busted. T.rex specifically, because it could instantly break your leg by biting four feet away from it, and people knew that

[covert nest]

that is because the hitboxs in legacy is very bad

[outer sphinx]

yes, people will go for what is more viable, but as we've seen rn, the bigger ones are whats viable, that will only get emphasized even more, deino is less of an offender bc of mud changes and diets really nulified them

and rn balancing is in a better spot bc they started from small to big... well for some time they did...

[valid elk]

I imagine, once apexes are in Evrima, a lot of kids who think they are good at said apex will get a rude wake up call when an adult apex rips them in half.

[outer sphinx]

not just apexes, any popular mass media dino lol

[signal beacon]

I still have no clue why tf they added stego and deino after swearing up and down that they would add smalls first

[covert nest]

As I said before, I normally see more pachys, deinos and carnos then stegos. Everytime I see a pack of almost 10 herbivores, there is almost always only 2 to 3 stegos and the rest is tenos, pachys, sometimes dryos and hypsi. Ive been in those packs a few times and showed me that stego isnt rly picked a lot of times as you say it is

that is why the game its still balanced, because there isnt a lot of stegos

to unbalance

[signal beacon]

Because herbivore growth is agony atm so less people grow stegos

[covert nest]

and where does that lead the correct opinion to who?

[outer sphinx]

teno, the 2nd largest herbi is like half of stegos growth time

and pachy 1/4 perhaps...

[covert nest]

of course its to me, because as you said, to grow stego takes a lot of time, so people tend to pick other dinos and so there isnt a lot of stego or overpopulation of them

[signal beacon]

And with carnivore apexes, you see almost nothing but carno and deino because they have growth that isn't pain. If herbivore diets weren't so flawed stegos would be everywhere

[tepid gate]

You guys play like a different game or something.

[outer sphinx]

carni diets are still flawed, just way less than herbis

[covert nest]

deino I dont believe a lot, because it takes the same time of stego to grow

[tepid gate]

I see Stegos all over the place 24/7

[outer sphinx]

LMAO

[tepid gate]

it really doesn't

[signal beacon]

Have you seen the rivers lately?

[covert nest]

xD

[tepid gate]

Deino is like the easiest animal to grow in the game

[outer sphinx]

statistically it does but it can get to 50% much easier

[signal beacon]

PoV: you're in hell.

[outer sphinx]

PoV: you are a utah

[covert nest]

its because they dont have nothing to compete within the water, only his own species (because they are cannibals)

and thats why we need a semi-aquatic animal

and a perfect one that is apex too is spino

so spino can be rly good to that work

[outer sphinx]

again, you do not feed a fire coal to stop it

[covert nest]

instead of adding a landing apex predator

[uneven mist]

Spino now?

[signal beacon]

Looking at spinos concept, adding spino now would be like stego but 100 times worse

[uneven mist]

Sucho is a better option tbh

[signal beacon]

Except spino would be truly unbeatable and would definitely get turned into edgy roar big apex carnivore

[covert nest]

is sucho able to compete deino?

[outer sphinx]

a better option is neither, also sucho would live in a completely dif biome

[covert nest]

like in a way that is fair to both?

[barren crater]

Or flesh out the roster by including playables between between 500kg-3T

[uneven mist]

Could compete with smaler deinos like subs

[outer sphinx]

they would live in dif biomes so not really

[barren crater]

It would dunk on sub deinos and smaller

[signal beacon]

Mfw adding sucho will inevitably invalidate deino because sucho is a wader

[outer sphinx]

noh, how could you? thats too evident

[valid elk]

Technically Bary would be threatened by Spino, not Sucho.

[signal beacon]

Deino is so poorly thought out it actually hurts

[covert nest]

this would help to decrease deinos population

but what about stego?

[valid elk]

It isn't poorly thought out, it just doesn't have many prey items to tackle at the moment.

[covert nest]

the real problem here is stego

thats why, maybe spino would be good

because is semi-aquatic

so he competes with deino

[signal beacon]

Fix utah
Fix map design
Stego is temporarily acceptable

[covert nest]

then deino´s population is decreased

[uneven mist]

Allo or Alberto would be better but it still isn’t a good option rn

[covert nest]

and since he can be a land predator too

its a great predator to stego

[signal beacon]

Okay but carlos what would kill spino?

[barren crater]

It's a carnivore, it obviously has no predators

[signal beacon]

Literally nothing in our roster is equipped to deal with that edgy ass movie monster

Even stego would struggle against that monstrous ass health pool

[valid elk]

Spino is not a good choice. I would pick Bary or Austroraptor over Spino. They can hunt small Deinos and keep populations in check, but we need more fleshed out waterways at the moment.

[outer sphinx]

add rex duhhh

[barren crater]

Only thing stopping deino is its ability to travel land effectively

[outer sphinx]

we need a new map or huge map rework in other words

[barren crater]

Spino will do that and probably fight stegos wherever

[uneven mist]

More water biomes and more semi-aquatics

[signal beacon]

So wtf will deino do once shallow streams are added?
Like, that instantly invalidates it lol. Very thought out playable

[covert nest]

no one, but if devs are intellegent, maybe to grow spino takes more hours than stego and maybe in baby/juvie stage it would be difficult to grow. Do like is with pachy. Pachy is at the mercy of everything in baby/juvie stage but when it gets in adult stage, it can clap almost every predator. Even deino if is like 3 or 4 against 1.

[valid elk]

The map does update every major thing. I have faith.

That being said, I think we need bogs and marshes, because swamp is barely fleshed out as is and is easily avoided.

[outer sphinx]

thast why we would have a sucho for ex, to pick your poison for the watering hole

[valid elk]

Sucho...the wading carnivore that cannot dive after prey items?

[signal beacon]

I'd take an animal I can see coming and dodge if I'm skilled enough over 1 shot out of nowhere croc any day

[outer sphinx]

i said we would have sucho for the shallow/shallower rivers, so there wont be just free drinking spots

[barren crater]

WHAT

[outer sphinx]

hmm, what if PoT water quality

[signal beacon]

[barren crater]

sorry

[outer sphinx]

the same devs that said to add an apex bc it was finished and no other reason

[barren crater]

what

[barren crater]

So lets say rex was ready. Would they have then added it? lol

[outer sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/hmmm-thinking-batman-gif-14744673

lets not go in the darker timeline

[barren crater]

[covert nest]

Like... Im trying to find a better solution than removing stego because its a little bit (sorry for the word) "stupid" to remove a dino only because its stronger than everything, but if you guys still just want that, then ok. You won :/. I dont know what to say more.

[outer sphinx]

there is no need for a complicated solution, there is a fire, we put it out, the best we can do without removing it is a bandait with fixing utahs pounce

another solution i spewed around a bit is bringing back collisions but for everybody not just utah, so trees knock utah over again but you cant bot through objects anymore, tail swings dont work through trees and other objects etc

[covert nest]

So, maybe I was right in the beginning? Because I said that utah is type of "replace" of the apex predators that are not currently in the game, because of his pounce and makes him a decent predator of stego

[outer sphinx]

it can just be a damage scaler when the model colides with the object

[barren crater]

I'd make terrain flat as well and remove rocks that stegos can use

[outer sphinx]

get that utah is not a solution, just a bandait if even that, bc utah isnt 1 creature, its a pack, the one bad apple can soil the batch, there will always be uncertainity with utah filling up for big game hunter

[barren crater]

Like a little bit of a hill and utahs just die since they can't launch far

[outer sphinx]

i would add a mehcanic wher the more utahs are latched on it makes you turn/move in that direction, so its harder to control basically

[covert nest]

Yes Ik, but still it can be a decent predator, right?

[outer sphinx]

if its equal on both sides its a wobble

[outer sphinx]

if the pack either is a finely tuned machine or the few bad parts dont sabotage it to much, yea, it can but it depends on the stego a lot too

as stego by design counters utah, unlike with a trike which it would matter much less and be more on the utahs

[uneven mist]

Its wierd that trike would be a better pick than stego

[outer sphinx]

trike is a front assault turret, stego is specialized in flank watching, flanks beeing where utah attacks

anky is the same plus dr

and kentro however its side spikes will impact gameplay

[covert nest]

That is why I said to other person that just stopped talking, that if the pack of utahs (lets imagine 5 utahs against 1 stego) are well coordinated can be a threat to the stego ( and so can kill him). And btw, I've seen packs of utahs and videos of that killing a stego, because they were really well coordinated.

[outer sphinx]

with utahs is never of can but if, and thats a very huge if

and the stego matters a lot

but utah players rn are just playing dark souls

[covert nest]

what do you mean with "dark souls"?

[outer sphinx]

they have everything stalked against them

[covert nest]

ah ok

[outer sphinx]

even the game is bugged against them

[covert nest]

so they have to be buffed or just the bugs of pounce and other things has to be fixed?

[outer sphinx]

its hard to judge something that doesnt work half the time, but statistically utah is one another planet, rn it just needs to be fixed and judging from there will be way easier

since maybe it could just be better bleed on bite it needs if any change at all etc

[covert nest]

Im going to be honest... I normally only play utah and thro everything that happened to me while I played the dinossaur, I think that is well rounded and balanced. The only problem is the pounce

[outer sphinx]

like yes statistically utah is not really pheasable in game but it shows the true potential and threat it poseses, like you will never be able to get a full pounce on a teno to kill it in like 14-28sec solo

unless they are afk, but its a metric to see how dangerous its bleed really is

i think someone found out a solo utah could kill a stego in a few min if it continously got full pounces on

[covert nest]

If that happened, its because stego didnt know how to buck

[outer sphinx]

yup, like these metrics are not accurate to a real game, they are just used for testing and comparison purposes

and its scary to think what utah can do when it works

[covert nest]

true

I think that if the pounce will be very well fixed and fully functional, it will probably make him very strong

and people will probably starting to get triggered

[outer sphinx]

there was a moment in very early u4 where pounce worked almost flawlessly and that time was a very controversial utah moment

[covert nest]

why did it stopped being functional?

[outer sphinx]

updates, patches, the usual

[covert nest]

a little bit sad :/

[outer sphinx]

beeing so early in development its bound to happen

[valid elk]

Make something new, the old breaks in unexpected ways

[covert nest]

Lets hope that in this update 5, the pounce is already fixed

😄

[outer sphinx]

adds mango to game

now the water mesh has become corrupted and replaced with the nest mesh

game dev 101

[valid elk]

Anyway, what do you guys think about my suggestion for Punch? I know he wants a land carnivore that is a quad walker, and, as far as I know, he hasn't picked a dev animal...

Well, suggestions. It is two different animals, but still

[proven river]

it's pretty dope but what would its niche be?

[outer sphinx]

feels like it would be in the same spot as mega, in a way

[valid elk]

Barinasuchus or Boverisuchus?

[outer sphinx]

barin

boveri would be more dif from mega but then how would it find its place between all other theropods

maybe biome...

[valid elk]

Boverisuchus has a niche, it's a galloping carnivore that hunts smaller animals, though it can threaten humans, it has strong enough jaws to do so.

Barinasuchus is a great question, I would make it a sort of forest dweller than clambers over fallen logs, hunting stuff like Magy. It isn't faster, but it doesn't necessarily need to be. Its armored and tough, but can still be challenged by something like Cerato.

[outer sphinx]

hm, maybe that could work well enough for barni, especially if forests would get a speed decrease (or bushes in them) it could have something

[valid elk]

It is also small enough for Magy to defend itself.

[outer sphinx]

and likely that herra could get some bites of it

[valid elk]

Indeed.

[outer sphinx]

hm, forest croc could be a good option

[valid elk]

That being said, it would be tough prey, being armored and having strong jaws, buuuut it isn't the strongest and it isn't going to hunt Carnos.

[outer sphinx]

plus cera would be faster, lives in groups, maggy aint a some walk in the park either

[valid elk]

Exactly.

That being said, I also like Boverisuchus being a small, galloping carnivore that can run after animals like deer and rabbits, maybe being a speedy scavenger

[outer sphinx]

kentro, homalo and a few others might have some problems but maybe they are much faster

as they have been shown more as forest or forest edge creatures

[valid elk]

Not to mention Kentro isn't exactly...well, Barina could hunt it, but it is risking a massive spike in the side

[outer sphinx]

true

[valid elk]

Homalo looks speedy and can hide in places, so I can see it surviving

[outer sphinx]

would you say barina would be good with burrows?

not making them but invading them

[proven river]

pretty sure devs said teno would be the fasted quadruped so there's no way it could catch deer and rabbits right?

[valid elk]

Maybe digging them out with enough time, but it is larger than Mega, so probably not

[outer sphinx]

are deers faster thna teno?

[valid elk]

Boverisuchus? It is smaller than Teno though

[proven river]

yeah, much faster.

[proven river]

and?

[outer sphinx]

ye if it cant do much with burrows then that'd be good for the smalls of forests that dont climb but burrow

[valid elk]

Last I checked, Boverisuchus is like...Komodo sized? And Tenonto is a 1 ton herbivore?

[outer sphinx]

bover is smaller than mega?

[outer sphinx]

teno is 1.6t

[valid elk]

Length wise, height wise I believe Boveri has it beat.

[outer sphinx]

god, that'd make teno like 4 times it weight

[valid elk]

A lot of people who want long legged Kapro forget Boverisuchus exists.

[outer sphinx]

ye but kapro more funi bc flat

[valid elk]

That's true

I should fix up Barina.

[valid elk]

I fixed up the Barinasuchus a bit, I feel like I could add more

[valid elk]

Someone put Presto, despite the fact Presto is smaller and lighter?

[proud coral]

I wouldn't really call group chat "immersive" as being able to magically talk to only specific members despite someone else standing 3 inches away was.....kinda odd.

Fortunately it was already said we'll be getting expanded chat functions in the future like yelling and whispering, so those should suffice.

[proven river]

Sweet

[valid elk]

Any other thoughts on Borina?

[proven river]

If it wasn't megalania size I have several good ideas but they don't work for le smol Boi, it could have a niche similar to Cerato, a corpse bully but it's too small for that so maybe a burrow digger but that's megalania's thing so it needs a viable niche to work and if there is one it could totally be a great playable but it need something to define it.

[valid elk]

Boverisuchus is the Megalania sized animal. Borinasuchus is Cerato sized.

[proven river]

Oh, it could have a very nice niche then

[proven river]

@wind marlin they're in #phase-two-archive already just really far back

[trail zodiac]

Optimization is an on-going thing they're working on

[barren zephyr]

I swear to God, I just swerved two Carnos

Juked them like hell

Perfectly timed the Pounce mid dodge. It activates the Pounce, then suddenly I teleport to the ground pouncing there instead and deactivates. Causing me to "miss" the pounce and I nearly die

Well, I die anyways. Since I had so little Hp left and the bleed, heat seeking tracking later took me out

[burnt bone]

@charred sleet although hotspots will always be a thing, oasis was a terrible hotspot. It had water that crocs couldn’t grab you from, every diet, a mud pool, and was the only hotspot. It basically allowed all the herbies to form a megapack while the carnis starved because they couldn’t kill the whole herd to eat the bodies, and crocs were forced to ambush from bushes rather than the water. Essentially, oasis was terrible for carnivores and great for herbivores, so it hurt the balance and ruined the experience for many players.

However, I do agree that they should actually design their own hotspots. That way they can be balanced rather than be just map exploits like NW and Dam. Maybe something like an area with cliffs that pachies and utahs can climb on, but it’s risky up there and pachies would have to leave the safety to get diets and water.

[signal beacon]

Do you want utahs to be bucked off in a split second?

And if it didn't do reduced bleed utah could be too strong (if it worked)

I'd like a whole bracing mechanic where the utah can resist a buck at the cost of no damage, and it could create a strategy of trying to be super unpredictable with your bucks

Utah pounce is just kinda boring imo

[outer sphinx]

if you want pounce/ utah to be more unpredictable why not just make a system where the more utahs that are latched on a side will force the dino to move in that way more, making buck cost more/last less if they dont balance themseleves by going opposite, utah has to be much smarter now in packs to use this and the prey has to be ready and present

[quartz escarp]

do you think they will add a mechanic to climb as a utah? like not full on climb up a cliff, more like climb up a ledge if you just barly could not make the jump all the way

[uneven mist]

Its confirmed utah wil be able to scramble up a slam tree or lenge

[hidden pilot]

@gritty terrace its meant to look like a goat eye

[icy lion]

No it isn't

Goat pupils are rectangular

Carno's are still slits

[hidden pilot]

i feel its a weird mixture

[icy lion]

Pretty sure it's just bugged

[hidden pilot]

from what i remember

[hidden pilot]

oh

[icy lion]

But idk, I'd have to ask Punch

[gritty terrace]

I would understand if its the rigging but if its part of the model just make it have a round eye so it doesn't look so weird, cuz changing the model would be a bitch

[gritty terrace]

its not meant to be, the eye is just rotated forward 45 degrees for some reason

[hidden pilot]

to make it look interesting and original probably

[gritty terrace]

no, it just looks really unatural and goofy I am guessing its a rigging mistake or something, just really wish they fix it somehow

and giving them a round eye would probably be the easiest and make it look the best

[valid elk]

Confused as to why people thing Barina is Presto

[proven river]

@charred geyser what's ur idea m8

[charred geyser]

Ok ok so we have hispolophadon, but we never start as a baby or have the option to start as a baby, in the nesting update you should make hispolophadon hatchling start as babies

[proven river]

put it in general feedback bro not here and I wouldn't recommend pinging the devs for an Idea they will see it anyways

[charred geyser]

Ok I just have a five hour break between texts and without realising I wasted a text

[proven river]

and they are already making juvie hypsis for u5

just edit the one you put it

[charred geyser]

What is it?

U5

[proven river]

Update 5 the next update which will be nesting update where there will be nests and skins and Hypsilophodon will get a juvenile stage

[charred geyser]

Yesss

[limber hull]

first of all, already confirmed, second of all, you dont need to ping amarok for it

[charred geyser]

Ok.

[proven river]

^^^^^^^^ Thank you!

[charred geyser]

Rly

[limber hull]

deleting doesnt change anything they still know lmao

[charred geyser]

I don't think I'll be banned just for pinging a dev

Oh. That's actually not as bad as I thought.

[gritty terrace]

@barren zephyr they are looking into nanite and if they use nanite it will help a lot

[pure quiver]

I've seen so many people complain about optimization but barely anyone offering any ideas on HOW to optimize.

From my understanding of render engines, and other games' techniques, I figured I'd suggest some tried and true methods like putting down 2D cards of objects and terrain in the distance to reduce computing power. Increasing fog volume density to reduce how much is shown on screen. And even slightly lowering texture resolution and render scale by a fraction to majorly increase performance.

[trail zodiac]

Optimization is not a sprint, it's a marathon. Change can't happen overnight

[icy lion]

Actually, it's indefinite unless appealed. If people can't be bothered to read the 1st rule of the server they shouldn't be chatting at all

[ashen wasp]

yeah, the way Carno holds its head makes the slit pupils look diagonal sometimes

i usually just justify it as an adaptation for charging, increasing field of view when holding its head down or something

[uneven mist]

@urban bear if u didn’t know we are most likely getting either cera or beipi in u5.5

[urban bear]

was that confirmed or just a dev saying maybe, either way any playable right now would be great

I would hope we get cerato

[icy lion]

No confirmation

[urban bear]

figured

guess we just gotta hope

[tight oxide]

man imagine beipi being a deino warning system

like they are chill one moment then the next they are fleeing while doing 4 calls

[burnt bone]

That is exactly what I’m hoping for. Then once people are used to going “oh there’s a beipi, must be safe to drink”, you get a friend to go croc and bait people into a false sense of security

[tight oxide]

then when people become sus of beipi you start actually trying to help them only for them to get grabbed

[burnt bone]

Sounds about right lmao

[trail zodiac]

@nova mountain We have no rules against mixpacking on our servers.

[burnt bone]

@barren zephyr I really don’t see a reason to add that. A double pounce on a pachy or anything that size is basically instant death

It would likely just cause more bugs, and pounce is already bad enough lol

[barren zephyr]

I think Spino's personality is shown pretty well in it's concept art. It's an asshole.

It's also only attacking things it can get away with attacking, mainly the tiny.

[proven river]

Yeah but it does nothing but kill

[urban flax]

Yeah showing apexes only fighting is kinda fine
I don't see how showing spino resting would do for an interesting concept art

[barren zephyr]

While no interesting behaviors are shown, I think it being a shithead is there.

[limber hull]

i am a bit concerned that spino fishing was not shown once

[barren zephyr]

I think it's more harassing Deino then actively attacking.

[proven river]

[urban flax]

We know apexes will be focused on combat anyway, so it's better to have a good understanding at how they will fight

[limber hull]

i was actually kinda interested in spino's more piscivore-styled natures

[barren zephyr]

I also don't think Spino's gonna be a big fisher as an adult. They're just too small at that point.

[proven river]

Yeah but this for example, bary fights but also just lives life

[urban flax]

Oh that's true, seeing spino fishing at least once would have been better

[limber hull]

Elite fish can feed deinos, they can feed spinos

[barren zephyr]

Fair enough

[limber hull]

I honestly really want spino to still be a super slow, tanky and defensive animal rather than an ultra active hunter. Big on fish eating and defending territory rather than going out and hunting things that can easily escape it

[barren zephyr]

I also don't think it's the aggressor in the Cherry fight, since it's in a defensive stance

[proven river]

It wouldn't hurt to see an animal also just vibing

[barren zephyr]

unless it's upper-cutting them.

[proven river]

The concept would say otherwise but that would be good

[limber hull]

Ehhh

[urban flax]

There is a concept of spino just vibing tho, it's taking a stroll and digging out a minmi, I wouldn't consider that a fight

[limber hull]

Yea I never liked the idea of spino being super offensive

[barren zephyr]

It's just being an asshole

[proven river]

It's a hunt

[barren zephyr]

Sadistically hurting things that won't give it any food, just cause

[urban flax]

How would you know ?

[limber hull]

Also it biting deino concerns me that they might artificially inflate spino's bite, which imho, should be really shit compared to every other carnivore apex

[barren zephyr]

Then it gets attacked by Cherry

[barren zephyr]

If it's an asshole, then it might just be biting Deino because it can

[urban flax]

I hate deino, but if spino has a higher biteforce than it, I'm gonna cry

[proven river]

I don't but I can imply it

[barren zephyr]

"I'm bigger than you, I can bite you"

[limber hull]

although, spino hunting things like minmi, cherry and anky doesn't sound that bad, since these animals are supposed to be slow and rely more on other defences than speed. Would be the few animals spino could actually catch

[urban flax]

There is absolutely no evidence for that being a hunt. All I see is spino walking, seeing a buried minmi and digging it up
I don't think a minmi can burrow in the middle of a chase anyways

[proven river]

Ok but it does nothing but hunt, fight or defend, all combat oriented, ik it's an apex and they fight but lions and crocodiles don't spend 24/7 on murder

[barren zephyr]

I think it's the victim in the Cherry scene.

Not saying it would lose, but Cherry is the one attacking it

[urban flax]

But is it interesting to show them sleeping ? Concept art is supposed to give a look at how dinos behave, what is their main identity. I'm pretty sure everyone in the dev team know that a spino will rest sometimes. But is it necessary to draw it doing so ?

[proven river]

Sure thing

[barren zephyr]

I think they're moreso talking about just a vibe outside of attacking, which supplementary behaviors like resting or whatever help give off

[limber hull]

Honestly, cherry clapping spino sould be cool imho, as long as cherry is in its home turf of shallows

[barren zephyr]

It's reared up, making itself look bigger and swiping at Cherry's bill.

It's not upper-cutting Cherry

look at how reared up it is. That's what bary did in it's concept art to defend itself against Utahs

[urban flax]

From what we can see on its concept art, spino is a mean and cruel animal. That gives information on how it should be animated, and what its special mechanics and abilities could be. If spino isn't supposed to be shown as a "vibing" animal then there is no point in showing it vibing
As opposed to what someone would for a frog, for example, who spend their entire days vibing, and although frogs can potentially fight things, I wouldn't draw one doing so in a concept art

[proven river]

Bary went fishing and scratched it's claws on a tree, that might not be spinos thing but it shouldn't be in combat for every godamn part of its concept

[barren zephyr]

I love the detail that spino basically swipes half of the goose's tongue off

[urban flax]

Maybe because bary isn't as aggressive as spino ?

[barren zephyr]

Bary has to worry about things. Unless it's Cherry about to fold it, Spino has an aquatic mobility or a massive size advantage. It can afford to be an asshole.

[proven river]

I don't mean vibing and I get being a dick head could be its niche but the concept implies that a spino player will have nothing other to do than fight

[urban flax]

You're mistaking what a concept art means

[barren zephyr]

I wouldn't call anything it's doing fighting, but that's not your point.

I think I used that wrong

[barren zephyr]

It's a concept. You're looking too much into it.

[proven river]

Then I worded it wrong but you get my point

[proven river]

Whatever

[urban flax]

Also on that picture when spino is eating a tenonto body, what we see is not fighting. It's the opposite and shows something interesting, which is spino holding something in its hands while eating it. This means such a mechanic has been considered by the devs.

[barren zephyr]

Wow what an answer. Did I say something you don't like?

I can see your point though. It doesn't show what the creature will be like outside of being an asshole, like what it'll be like with offspring.

[proven river]

No, I'm saying I give up, chill dude

[barren zephyr]

Though it might just kick it's kids to the curb and violently attack them if it ever sees them again

[proven river]

Exactly

[proven river]

Well at least show that then is what I'm getting at

[barren zephyr]

I am chill. I don't get angry or pissed of because of something like that...

[proven river]

Ok m8

[barren zephyr]

I hope Cherry folds it in 2 though. That'd be neat.

That's also true

I honestly would love getting surprised with spino. It's my favorite animal after all. I just want it to be good.

But I'll take whatever I get

[proven river]

To be fair I am a concept art fanatic

[barren zephyr]

I love how one concept shows spino walking underwater like a hippo. I recall that that was planned?

[barren zephyr]

You're fine. I get it ^^

[proven river]

I mean why wouldn't it? Would be dope right? Also deino has one so would make sense

[barren zephyr]

It would be dope

[pure quiver]

@rose meteor THANK YOU for your suggestion, I've been wanting more game modes to expand the player base. I've had some backlash on my suggestions on "Hard Mode and Easy Mode" servers, saying it'll dilute players away from the core survival mode and make it boring, losing players. But the whole point of giving more options to players is to expand the player base! Bring in more people and the same amount of people who like the game as is will play the game as is.

[rose meteor]

Exactly! And having it as a server setting wouldn't detract from those who want PVP, they'd just keep to PVP servers :) No idea why some people don't want that as an option they don't need to use it they don't want it

[random night]

The only problem @stable mica Is that carnos were cannibals in real life

[vocal echo]

@barren zephyr mangroves? omg no way i would love that

[pure quiver]

Speaking of expanding the player base, we need a tutorial mode! Just a basic walkthrough kinda lets you half figure it out and offer hints when requested. That would encourage so many new players to the game!

[rose meteor]

👆👆👆👆

[thorny lynx]

How do we know? We only have one specimen. Did it have bite marks?

[random night]

Are you joking

[thorny lynx]

I thought we only found one specimen.

"The only known specimen of Carnotaurus was unearthed by the palaeontologist José Bonaparte in 1984 on a farm near Bajada Moreno, in Chubut Province."

[signal beacon]

Carno's family in general were known for being cannibals

[manic flint]

Abelisaurids are known cannibals
The whole family

[stable mica]

What? Ik that did you not read my post at all

[proven river]

@tight lantern though those are words of wisdom it's not about feedback about the game and the mods will guaranteed delete your message lol

[tight lantern]

Delete they can then. I don't understand the negative reactions though lol

[proven river]

Lmao, salty people want everything to be perfect 😂

[limber hull]

???

[proven river]

It's a joke dw about it lol

[tight lantern]

I'm a bit baffled how someone could react poorly to the statement made as prehistoric fans, but okay

[proven river]

Lol idek either but whatever ig 😂

[tight lantern]

Already got ganked, but the real fans know the truth. Could have just read and scrolled on by, but okay lol

[proven river]

Man prehistoric planet was

I'm watching with my family every night till Friday, my brother just learnt dinosaurs existed and now he loves them

[tight lantern]

Anyway, been here four+ years and that's the first time I've been taken down by a moderator, so I'll just shrug it off and hope everyone is able to enjoy Prehistoric Planet if they have the opportunity.

[proven river]

👍

[limber hull]

prehistoric planet cool

[tight lantern]

Enjoy it with your family! :) This is the best thing since Walking With Dinosaurs. Really was just trying to make a facetious/fun statement in general about it. I understand why it was taken down, just think it was a bit of a sour-puss reaction to it.

[proven river]

@lethal lily but everyone would go there and deino would be absolutely screwed.

[lethal lily]

but people have to cross rivers anyways

[proven river]

Barely if at all actually, besides how many times have you found a swimming dinosaur as a deino, sure you might've found somd but it's unsustainable for an adult deino to rely on dinosaurs needing a swim, there's no reason apart from crapping on the only thing deino has and it's already screwed because of the glitched drinking spots and deino is fudged because of it.

[lethal lily]

well most of the times i died from deino attacks was because of river crossing but i guess you have a point

[pure quiver]

@rose meteor on your part 2! I agree! especially with the passive scenting! Tap Q to raise the compass and vaguely smell where water and food is, and also distinguish ocean from fresh water, and only have the "Non preffered" symbol and very blurry/faint until you HOLD Q then you get regular scenting PLUS fresh nearby tracks. And the brightness will be associated with track age! OLD tracks pretty much disappear by fading! 1 minute old is max brightness, 2 minutes is half, 3 is quarter, and 4 is gone.

What's neat about that is someone may discover multiple tracks. And depending on whether or not they're the same brightness depends on whether they were a pack or being chased!

I wonder if wind direction will affect scenting in the future when the weather update comes out! That would be cool! Being only able to scent up-wind and having carnivore reveal their locations via scent!

Might be a bit too complex for this game

[vocal echo]

they said they like the hunter's mechanics and used basically their ideas so i think they already are working on the tracks aging and stuff like you said

[lapis swallow]

@thorny lynx the stego and deino cant be just replaced, they have there problems, yes. BUT they took time to code and the Deino adds a whole lot of tension to the game which i like. So dont remove them, get dinos in the ecosystem that affect them

[thorny lynx]

Not remove. Substitute

They can put stego back later.

Deino can stay, I guess. It needs more prey options though and it needs more mechanics than lunge.

[lapis swallow]

But they are in the game, deal with them. They took a lot of time to code so just use them. Not make two new dinos from scratch. And the stego is just to strong for the rooster, but i hope this will get fixed with more teeth coming into the game. The carnis just need more teeth

[thorny lynx]

We need more smalls.

[lapis swallow]

We need apexes at some point

[thorny lynx]

@trim mauve deino is not finished. It needs several more mechanics. Stego is DEFINITELY not finished. It needs its attacks fleshed out.

[urban flax]

Stegos are only strong because Utahs can't kill them due to bug
Deinos are strong because there is nothing but themselves in the water, and even in there was, the only thing that could threaten one is spino

[lapis swallow]

And its better to start with a herbie apex than a carni apex

[thorny lynx]

I suggested locking deino and stego growth to 50-75%

[trim mauve]

just nerf its wieght

literally would do the same thing without caping its growth which would be just stupid

[thorny lynx]

Gotta nerf stego damage too.

[trim mauve]

do it then

[thorny lynx]

I'm not a dev. You do not need to be nasty.

[trim mauve]

How was that nasty?

[urban flax]

Why nerf stego's damage ? To allow carnos, which aren't supposed to be hunting them, to kill them more easily ? To allow deinos to facetank one ?

[trim mauve]

I just said then do it while ik you are not a dev they should do it thats what I meant.

[thorny lynx]

It bullies the entire roster as it is.

It's a huge problem atm

[urban flax]

But deino or carno bullying the entire roster is fine ? Cause if you nerf stego that's what happens
Also nerfing deino to 6 tons is irrelevant since it'd still be massively more powerful than the rest of the roster

[thorny lynx]

Carno needs damage nerf and turn radius nerf. That has been established.

[urban flax]

So nerf everything, so nothing changes but with lower values ?

[thorny lynx]

I feel carno should get a momentum mechanic that does more damage to still targets and targets moving towards Carno.

[urban flax]

If this ever comes as a mechanic, I don't see why it should only apply to carno

[weary surge]

don't get near them

[bleak bison]

@thorny lynx I hear what you’re saying but there’s no way they take deino and stego out of the game for Bary and kentro which neither are being worked on rn

[barren zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/leaving-michael-scott-turn-away-im-out-bye-gif-16786042

[burnt bone]

@rare fractal I do agree with most of what you’re saying, except for the tail slam priority.

Carno ram should definitely have priority because otherwise it would be useless against teno. Teno already can dodge the ram and hit the carno with the tip of its tail slam to stun the carno and cancel its ram.

Utah pounce could take priority or the tail slam could, there’s already a lot of problems with pounce and I don’t know the fight well.

Lastly, I believe pachy ram should take priority. Last I tested it, pachy has barely enough stam to kill a teno with all headshots. So pachy generally needs to recharge stam during the fight. Also, a single miss or misstep means teno can land a tail slam/kick and instantly kill the pachy while it’s down. I guess it could be a bit neutral, similar to the carno charge + pachy ram interaction. Such as if a teno tail slams/kicks a pachy mid-ram, the teno should take the hit, break a leg, and be stunned, but the pachy should be knocked down as well and not take damage.

[rare fractal]

Charge is already useless against a teno that know's it's coming, charge is an ambush tool, slam should take priority, it taking priority doesn't actually change their dynamic, it's just dumb that charge can't be intercepted.

A utah getting hit with the bottom of a teno's descending tail as it's smashed into the ground shouldn't reward the utah with a successful pounce, there's no getting around that. Slam and kick should take priority.

If a pachy collides with the teno's tail slam hitbox, it takes no damage and the teno receives a body fracture, it can now only perform 4-6 more strikes before it's helpless, slam should take priority, if you're a lone pachy you shouldn't be fighting a teno at all, this challenge is entirely deleted by the existence of a second pachy, teno shouldn't be this easy to dismantle, I've done it many times and it's borderline effortless given the stun window. Slam should take priority.
Also why would a teno even be damaged by a ram attack when it's countering said ram with a descending tail slam, I understand kick being ineffective but slam should hard counter without question, there shouldn't be any tradeoff, teno is both slower and larger, pachy has all the engagement authority.

That last part about pachy is especially true given the fact that there's literally no reason a pachy would need to fight a teno to the death.

Since it's faster

[golden plaza]

If adding friendly fire on/off makes a group of stegos immoral, that's a balancing issue. What you can't kill a grown stego without the help of another stego? Balance it.

[rare fractal]

You can regardless, friendly fire isn't necessary when you have a pack of utahs

[golden plaza]

Then why is adding friendly fire such an issue for people?

[rare fractal]

You mean removing it?

[golden plaza]

Yes, friendly fire on/off option

When creating a pack. Specifically when packing

[rare fractal]

Because it significantly alters literally all group tactics in the game to a degree that drastically lowers the required skill and strategy to play the game in general

If you're taking damage from a group mate, move away from them

[golden plaza]

What if they're trying to protect me? Like a grown stego protecting a younger one

[rare fractal]

Hide

Stop standing next to the sentient wall of spikes

find a rock face

don't draw the attention of adults and grow alone as a stego

many many solutions

[limber hull]

friendly fire is a necessary evil

[rare fractal]

Alternatively stegos moveset could receive improvements for added precision, which is the best option if changes are to be made

[limber hull]

it otherwise creates situations where the risk of pack hunting becomes irrelevant

[golden plaza]

So I should hide from a pack of pachy, they have no business attacking anyway they don't eat meat

[limber hull]

its the isle

expect anything to attack for any reason

[rare fractal]

They wanted you dead, you took no countermeasures to ensure your safety, you died, that's how survival games work

[golden plaza]

You think I was just standing there? I was running away, but it runs faster than me

[rare fractal]

This isn't a mechanical fault of the game, this is a fault of you assuming the aid of an adult of your own species is something you should seek

[golden plaza]

I'm trying to get away and the grown stego was chasing it and trying to attack

Maybe the problem is hitboxes.

[rare fractal]

No, it's what I listed above, stegos are terrible parents, they are not built to defend others at close proximity, their moveset is wide sweeping and with high damage, expecting to be protected next to a stego is like expecting protection when standing directly behind a teno's tail and legs

[autumn saddle]

yeah but usually in the wild animals protect there youg without inflicting damage :/

young*

[rare fractal]

In the wild, if a parent accidentally strikes their baby attempting to protect it, it takes damage

[rare fractal]

And if we're going off of statistics, most animals don't give a fuck about what happens to their offspring

[golden plaza]

I'm just saying it's hard to hide when the thing trying to kill me already sees me. Can't get abbe 13% unless I play on an empty server

[vast mist]

What animals tend to attack their young accidentally when protecting their young? also, when a baby has been seen by something attacking it there's a lot of issues there where hiding doesnt help. they can literally watch where you run and still attack you through a bush and such.

[golden plaza]

*above

[rare fractal]

Avoid populated areas and don't seek the protection of adults, you'll be fine

[golden plaza]

I'm not seeking help, I'm playing with friends

A group

[rare fractal]

Elephants, giraffes, bison, buffalo, etc

[vast mist]

escaping from predators in this game is practically impossible when whatever is attacking you can a) run faster and b) will follow you til they kill you

exactly how do they hurt their young as severely as a stego does in this game?

[rare fractal]

usually by inadvertently killing them

Plus why do the behaviors of irl animals and their tactics matter in the context of stego

[golden plaza]

Because the popular argument is "the game wouldn't be realistic"

[autumn saddle]

okay but what if the area you need to get to has your prefered food, should I just not go there then :/ thats the only way to grow fast.

[rare fractal]

Then I'd suggest attempting new tactics or playing a different animal, stego is a terrible defender, that's not an issue

[vast mist]

Stego raising is really hard especially with how far spread out all their food groups are.

as for you asking about the animals? you brought up other animals hurting their young so i was asking what your examples are.

[golden plaza]

So basically the stego is unplayable and it's my fault. Great. I'll just be a pachy fron now on

[vast mist]

but think about it, a stego can control where its tail hits in reality. the hitbox is inaccurate. I can have a baby hiding underneath/to the side of me where the tail clearly doesnt swing at and yet they are hit and killed

[rare fractal]

Pumpkins can be found within forests at NW, marigolds can be found along the forests edge in center and are very common, sumac is everywhere in swamp, many spawn points for all of these are in uncommonly traversed places, like within forests disassociated from any travel route.

[vast mist]

i use the map and constantly smell for the food group items. it's basically a solid diagonal line through the map. traveling is hard as a young stego cuz theyre slow

[rare fractal]

If the hitboxes were changed to accommodate this then utahs would be able to much on a stegos flank uncontested, the issue is how flippant stegos attacks are, they're far too inaccurate.

[rare fractal]

Maybe don't travel in a straight line, and yeah growing herbis rn sucks, having an adult with you ironically makes it even slower

[vast mist]

ok well here's another thing with hitboxes. explain to me how its ok that a utah can pounce at the front of a stego and somehow be clinging to it's side then?

[rare fractal]

Nope! It's playable you're just using tactics that make survival much more difficult

[rare fractal]

It's not, why would you assume I hold the position that that's ok :l

[golden plaza]

At this point I feel like if you can get a group of stegos to full grown, with literally everyone on a server trying to kill you, you deserve to be immortal lol

[autumn saddle]

also why does it give you the options to buck off utahs but you cant??? that is a bug right or something

[rare fractal]

That'd be a bug rn (if it even exists, personally never experienced it)

[vast mist]

Not to mention with utahs they can move so quickly forward and back that when they get close the stego swings and they can already be far away from the tail again so fast @-@ it's frustrating when you can get harassed by smaller dinos and not be able to even hit them.

[rare fractal]

Don't take this as if I'm attempting to offend you, but if you're an adult stego and utahs are a legitimate threat you're doing something wrong

[vast mist]

they bleed you out and psych you out to make you swing. but it constantly misses cuz they move too fast. I;'ve had times that im swinging as they pounce and clearly the tail hits them but for some odd reason they still get their pounce attack on

[burnt bone]

For carno ram: since teno can already easily juke it, why punish carno for trying to hit a charge? You can already just juke and tail slam with the tip of the tail, no need to completely invalidate the carno charge if teno can see it.

I’m not going to talk about utah pounce anymore because I got no clue about the balance of that fight.

Ok then you make some valid points on tail slam getting prio. But I still disagree with some of your points. The teno might only have a few attacks after a rib fracture, but pachy also does not have much stam and does not have enough damage to fully kill a teno. Pachy only has 1 very predictable attack. Then if pachy gets hit by a single kick/tail slam it dies because a second attack just kills it. Also, there are plenty of reasons a pachy will need to deal with a teno, they like to take each other’s spots. And I believe teno can outrun a pachy since they are similar speeds and teno had more stam, but I haven’t tested this so I may be wrong. If pachy can outrun a teno, then the fight should be much more teno favored.

[vast mist]

i jsut think since majority of people want it that the a) the stego should be nerfed which SHOULD result in b) the stego should take less time to raise if it will be weaker and c) the food groups should be closer togehter since the stego is so slow to walk/run. I would have 300% of pumpkin but by the time i get where marigolds spawn ive dropped by like 50-75%

and that hitboxes should be more accurate-

[autumn saddle]

also random but why does every pachy decide to kill me when I play stego or teno? like I dont understand the benefit of killing a herby unless the isle actaully adds a benefit.

[vast mist]

YA FOR REAL

[burnt bone]

Because bonking is funny

That’s it, it’s fun, and there’s nothing else to do

[vast mist]

We would just be wandering around and out of nowhere a pachy attacks us. just a single one. kills our babies then runs away like- why? That gains them zero benefits

if they want to bonk why not bonk carnis instead of other herbys ?

[burnt bone]

It’s funny, that’s it. I play pachy because that bonk is so satisfying.

[burnt bone]

Carnos kill pachies way too easily, utahs are hard to find and kill.

[vast mist]

stegos automatically just hate pachys for existing because of the jerks that attack them for no reason. My pachy gets chased by stegos when im just near them cuz they think id hurt their baby

[rare fractal]

Why punish a teno for landing the hardest to time attack exchange in the game :l
But seriously why reward carnos for being spotted and affording a teno enough time to position for an interception uncontested, if you've been spotted with enough downtime between then and the impact for the required countermeasures to be made, I don't think you've fully grasped charges purpose or it's advantages nor do you deserve the benefits of landing one against this specific dino with enough skill and timing to catch it.

So you're points about pachy are basically describing how pachy is a poor opponent for teno, which I agree with, this isn't even remotely a bad thing tho. Pachy is less than a third teno's size, it getting decimated after having an attack landed on it is perfectly alright considering pachy is faster than teno and can easily escape it.
(Pachy has similar stam to teno, none of teno's attacks can be performed during a chase as they attack from behind or halt movement, and teno can't track, if you enter a forest you're gone.....pachy can absolutely outrun teno, not in a straight line due to teno's trot speed, but that's not even relevant considering how easy it is to lose them given your speed advantage)
None of what you said actually addressed anything in regards to why pachy should gain hit prio during a slam, it's just how pachy is disadvantaged when fighting a teno 1 on 1 demonstrably, and yeah it is, this is absolutely fine tho. 2 pachy's vs a teno is a MUCH more pitched match, in the games current version a solo pachy can easily kill a teno, but 2 pachy's are guaranteed to.

[rare fractal]

Mainly because stegos are annoying, most players don't like them, killing them means less potential adult stegos, which is a win for most

[autumn saddle]

but wouldnt it be more fun and rewarding to bonk carnies instead and run away and just mess with them that personally would be more of a joy and worth time then bonking baby stegos who want to actually grow but cant.

[rare fractal]

Primarily because carno's bite hitbox is garbage, that dynamic would have a drastic shift if that was fixed along with carno's max leg fracture speed being reduced from what it is now

[burnt bone]

Yep, and that’s generally a good thing. It’s a natural mitigation for mixpacking, which is good.

[vast mist]

tenos hitbox is broken. Me and a friend were playing around and i had him do his tail attack on my full grown stego to see the damage it does. it took him 4 tries to actually hit me when he was directly in front of me

[burnt bone]

I have a lot more reasons as to it, that’s just the tip of the iceberg

[rare fractal]

Another thing that needs to change is for the turning constraints when charging a ram to be removed when not running

[burnt bone]

I can’t give much more on either of these interactions because I don’t play carno, and I haven’t fought teno’s often enough to give much more.

[rare fractal]

Sure? But there's both a utility and comedic aspect to gain. You've reduced the stego population, most players would want that to happen. It's also funny to bonk things as a pachy regardless of what they are

[rare fractal]

Well that's fine, thanks for the chat on it regardless, helps further define my perspective on the matter

[golden plaza]

If stegos are so bad, and hard to play to begin with, why not just remove them?

Workshop and balance them, then add them back later

[rare fractal]

Not a bad take tbh

[vast mist]

ya for real

[rare fractal]

Put them in sandbox till they've been reworked, their attacks are so poorly designed

[vast mist]

i miss my trike in the older version lol

i feel stegos should have other attacks like the teno

like.. the tail whip is their strongest? but they should have lighter not as damaging attacks like their bite

they should have a stomp attack

[golden plaza]

Also, I understand most adult stegos walk around like kings, and that's why people kill them young. But I just wanna be a cute thing and I can't. Again I get to 13% and suddenly I get hunted down. Tbh prob won't play a stego until the next balance workshot

[rare fractal]

Why would a stego of all things have a stomp attack....

[burnt bone]

Here’s just a list off the top of my head:
Ram charge turning
Tail riding
Drift is not impactful enough
Bone breaks are not impactful enough
Tracking is wall hacks
Ram decides not to work half the time
Lastly, carni diets make it easier to grow the predators than the prey.

[vast mist]

they already stomp as they walk lol they weigh so much it can stomp around its weight

[golden plaza]

Because skulls go crunch

[vast mist]

lol-

[rare fractal]

Pretty spot on. I wouldn't remove the running turn nerf, but definitely the trotting one

[hoary dawn]

they should add a mechanic where dondi holds my hand through combat

[rare fractal]

stegos really aren't that hard to grow :/
If you avoid populated routes you're basically afforded a free grow, it's just annoying and takes ages

[golden plaza]

Hiw do you get to food without walking through the map?

People group around stego food groups

[vast mist]

for real-

[autumn saddle]

yeah lets just float over all the bad stuff XD

[burnt bone]

Personally, I’d like them to change 3 things with ram: it’s able to be held infinitely, canceled with left click, and walking/standing negates the turn nerf. This makes pachy much more defensive rather than forced to kos and get the first hit or die.

[vast mist]

anytime i try going for pumpkins? here comes a carno charging me

sumac? pack of utahs

marigolds? both!

[golden plaza]

Everywhere I go, pachys, carnos, literally everything attacks a baby stego

[rare fractal]

Yep! That's also what I'd do

[rare fractal]

Don't get spotted

[autumn saddle]

then how is it easy to grow a stego

[vast mist]

sumac also is where so many pachys are at and thats where we constantly have issues is getting the sumac for opur diets. plus the sumac spawn is very poor

[autumn saddle]

no that doesnt work well unless you choose only one food group and camp in a bush the entire game which would be boring

[golden plaza]

If a can't play with protection from adults, but can't get too far solo. Too far from the 3 foods but not even fast enough to run and hide, how is the stego even playable?

[vast mist]

and one food group doesnt up your stats

[golden plaza]

I shouldn't have to stay in 1 bush, surviving off grass and a glitched water pool to grow my stego

[vast mist]

to get my stego to adult i literally had to play early in the morning when there was only 6 people online. thats how i reaised my stego. only in mornings cuz any other time of the day i got murdered

[rare fractal]

Stick to forests, hug the eastern side of the river going from swamp to center, use that to get both marigold and sumac, go east from log bride to reach sumac on the ascending slope north of east swamp for safe sumac spawns with no players, only eat marigolds along the treeline in center before crossing back over to the eastern side of the river at shallow points, abuse the center pumpkin spawn and never enter NW

[golden plaza]

Not to mention the food groups are out in the open

Pumpkins specifically in center, the most populated part of the map in most servers

[rare fractal]

plus if you fill up on pumpkins up the 300% you won't need them again till 70% ish growth

[vast mist]

marigolds are almost always in the middle of fields. i rarely find them near protected/hidden areas. Plus you eat through marigolds so fast ;-;

[golden plaza]

I played stego an hour ago. 300% goes down way too fast. Wasn't even 30% when I died and my Pumpkin was at 100/300%

[rare fractal]

Look harder ig, they do spawn at the treeline

[vast mist]

i sniff @-@ trust me when i say -i look-

[golden plaza]

Quick question, how long does it take to grow a stego?

[autumn saddle]

personally I just believe they are way to hard to grow atm and many things even herbies go out of their ways to kill stegos therefore stego should be taken out of game till the game is better polished

[rare fractal]

Well, stego is demonstrably easy to grow, for many given reasons including safe routes to all dietary options, so idk what to tell ya

[limber hull]

as long as a deino, around 10 hours on base diet with no growth boosts

[vast mist]

i just wanna chill as a stego with my friends man @-@ we're not those type of jerk stegos that go fishing for deinos

[rare fractal]

plus once you reach 50% growth the only thing that can kill you is a megapack of carnos or another stego

[burnt bone]

I think the issue is that stegos are bad at protecting their young, their attacks are too wide. There isn’t going to be anti-friendly-fire, because that would change the game too much, and if you change the hitbox, then babies can just hide under the tail if the stego(trust me I used to tail ride and bite stegos as a hypsi in update 2)

[vast mist]

jesus- so long

[limber hull]

i mean, diets considerably reduce this time

stego is apex-level, so it has an apex-level growth

[rare fractal]

I feel like we're forgetting that stego is an apex as well as being the strongest animal in game

Yall are making it sound like it's not supposed to be really hard to grow

[limber hull]

I'd honestly prefer carnis be harder to grow than herbis be easier at this juncture

[golden plaza]

But they go down too fast to gather, by the time your heading to the third food group the first group is around 120%. Hiding in the treeline makes the journey longer, for any chance to have all 3 you need to go through open areas and try your best to hide in bushes

[burnt bone]

Plus everyone wants to kill baby stegos because it’s funny and the adults are normally mean

[vast mist]

i think they need an apex predator to counter the stego tbh. until then stegos shouldnt be in game

[autumn saddle]

agree

[burnt bone]

I’m pretty sure everyone agrees with that

[rare fractal]

Good, that should never change for apexes

[golden plaza]

It's moreso hard to grow because of the community. The people on server

[vast mist]

im that one chill adult stego man- i had a little baby raptor with me once lol

[burnt bone]

It never will lol

[golden plaza]

I'm just trying to grow and you've got 99 people willing to hunt you down and kill you if they see you

[rare fractal]

Don't address problem A but introducing problem B, just kick it into the sandbox till later

[limber hull]

People dont like stegos, this is part of the difficulty of growing stegos