general-feedback-discussion

[barren crater]

Anky should be immune to rex if it sees it coming though. Like a rex should need an ambush to even get a hope of killing one

[limber hull]

i honestly hope anky is just kind of generally unkillable unless specific circumstances. It should also just be VERY slow

[barren crater]

Yeah.

[limber hull]

Giant tortoise niche

[barren crater]

Like the only instance should be a rex ambush for the head

Odds on anky being nerfed after rex players die to one

[last lily]

#Bulk up Anky and make it THICC again.

Juvi and sub adult Anky can be less thicc, that's fine, just don't touch the chonk on the adult anky.

[last lily]

80%

Let's be honest. The Indom should've been dead the second the Ankylosaur's tail hit her head.

Or at least have a fractured skull, and fucked up snout.

[barren crater]

Plot armour be like

[last lily]

Strongest substance in the known universe, challenged only by Stalinium.

[last lily]

Make it a 5 hour grow

[maiden anvil]

Why has no one reacted to my suggestion? Is it because it’s too long to read?

[maiden anvil]

Honestly, I actually did a very similar suggestion like this like a week ago so could be it lol

[maiden anvil]

Most likely lol

[vivid needle]

@thorn prism There is another video that "shows" a proposition for the Rex sounds that is kinda similar but much more terrifying. The one by DangerVille. It would be sick to have the calls like those + some from Legacy (Like 1 2 and F from that video, and 3 and 4 from Legacy, not the exact same but the style)

[gilded willow]

@whole dragon the issue with your suggestion is that territorial buffs discourage exploring

[whole dragon]

Fair point, it's mostly a thing I thought of to discourage megapacks.

[halcyon skiff]

i think its smart cuz most of the time i find myself aimlessly wandering without a purpose and it gets boring.

[gilded willow]

Its all nice and all but you could have a literal physical limit to how many people you can get in your pack

[gilded willow]

I mean once youre fully grown, so far thats pretty much all you do

[halcyon skiff]

yeah until the nesting update comes out in 1629937 years

[gilded willow]

or next month

[halcyon skiff]

same thing

[gilded willow]

[whole dragon]

There already exists one, by megapacking I mean when the same species sticks around together to create much bigger groups of like 10 above dinos

[gilded willow]

umm

you mean they cant see usernames but they can still tag along?

[whole dragon]

Yeah.

They aren't mechanically together in a group, but they still tag along.

[gilded willow]

Thats gay lol i just murder people who tag along without being in my group

Cant trust anyone

[whole dragon]

It's quite the common issue, lol.

Another thing is, with territories ppl would have SOMETHING to fight for or defend, instead of just wandering around and fragging others with a full hunger.

[gilded willow]

Its literally the first thing i do if someone tags along for more than 2 minutes

[radiant dagger]

How the nesting sistem Will work?
After do a nest and do some eggs we can invite to born other player in the server?
That player know what species of Dino they become ?
Someone know how It will work?

[gilded willow]

I have a timer on my phone, and this applies to all open world games i have

2 mins and theyre not gone while not being in my group or asking to be, i either lose them (racist mode) or i get offensive

https://tenor.com/view/race-car-peugeot-meme-racist-mode-gif-23410462

[whole dragon]

Consider yourself a minority then, cuz I see megapacks practically daily.

[gilded willow]

I love to outrun people

[whole dragon]

Maybe it's just an issue on EU servers then.

[gilded willow]

For some reason, even if i play since only yesterday, im damn good at going through trees at speed

[whole dragon]

Ah, you see, you only play since yesterday, so you just didn't have the time to notice it :^)

[gilded willow]

murdermurdermurderkillkillmurderkill

[stray holly]

There’s already an issue of salty herbivore players dipping into a river to drown or jumping off a cliff to an inaccessible spot when on the brink of death. Giving them the ability to drag a corpse would just make things exponentially worse, body camping wise.

[bleak bison]

@covert pagoda I’d say I’d like it in decent Range from each other tbh

So you don’t have to cross the whole map for your diets

[covert pagoda]

You wouldn't if it was all located in that valley

[smoky sage]

Are there any other animations missing from my feedback post/you would like to see when it comes to general dinosaur movement?

[merry mantle]

Can't think of anything really but they are good suggestions. The last part with killing something and then it being in your jaws part kinda already is a thing though 🤔

Also if your dying to an adult stego as a baby during a fight, that's on you being too close to them while they're fighting and also it's on them for doing a crap job at protecting you

[gentle summit]

stego players normally aren't good at the game so its not surprising every time i see them accidentally kill there young

[merry mantle]

True lol

[valid elk]

Any feedback on my suggestion?

[urban flax]

It's great
For a single-player game

[valid elk]

I don't think you read it

[urban flax]

If it's just a matter of animation I don't really see the point of the feedback

btw we don't have the confirmation of any feathered raptor yet, although I hope velo will be

[valid elk]

We do have confirmation...ever since Utahraptor was announced...years ago.

And we are getting an actual Utahraptor

[urban flax]

All I heard was that Dondi would like to have an actual utahraptor later on, I wouldn't take that as confirmation
Also I don't think real utahraptor would pounce

[valid elk]

We do have evidence of it pouncing (specifically how the toes work and the motion of the arms)

[urban flax]

I thought its arms mainly served to keep balance during sharp turns

[valid elk]

It also flaps really well, apparently

@gray loom Comment on that stuff here

[prisma dragon]

I thought Dondi said that Bryan would eventually make one

[barren zephyr]

i thought its sickle claw was significantly less curved so it wouldn’t have been as efficient

[valid elk]

You are forgetting the keratin.

[zealous violet]

Yeah itll probably work like that.
Maybe since there will be no global chat there will be a list of available dino eggs for people to choose from.
I think they also mentioned ai dinos popping out of unused well kept eggs.

[burnt bone]

You should prob post that in the other channel, this is the discussion channel

[raven ether]

Oh ok. You mean the channel above? It’s all very confusing lol.

[burnt bone]

Yeah post it in #general-feedback
This is the channel where we discuss posts like that in the other channel.

[raven ether]

Ok ty.

[burnt bone]

No problem, seems like a good idea to me.

[scarlet nova]

can we talk about steg and its predators utah and deino?
I have a post in general fb for context.
agree? disagree? why?

[zealous violet]

Dont forget, stego might be OP now but eventually theres gonna be bigger, badder carnis around for it to go up against.

[mystic parcel]

It should take a large Utah pack to take down one stego. When a stego uses its e to throw off a Utah it takes a second before it can hit so it gives enough time for a Utah to jump off and escape. Also a Utah can jump down without getting hit if they jump off forward the face. Alot for what ever reason decide to jump off by the stegos tail. You should also know that alot of Utah players are just new people learning the game. I've fought against a Utah pack that knew how to play and I was a stego. If it wasn't for mud I would've bled out and even I'm a decent stego player. Utahs bleed out stegos really well. They just have to fix the damn pounce.

The current stego is perfect. Doesn't need nerf. It's just in a odd position of the games ecosystem. Hopefully Cerrato will stabilize it more. Idk

[barren zephyr]

You can aim the dismount, but sometimes still be hit right off mid air which is frankly bs

The dismount is inconsistent as well, sometimes you latch off far or in shorter distances.

Shorter distances leave in a brief vulnerable position, which is how Stego, Pachy, or Teno can punish you with immediate death

And that's IF the pounce doesn't bug out completely leaving you dead immediately

People are less inclined to play a creature if the floor right under them just disappears randomly

People are also less inclined to play the other herbivores when it's so much easier and faster for their stronger counterpart to grow.

Which then creates the Carno issue that is present.

Making Carno the easiest, fastest, one of the strongest playables to grow in the ecosystem

The current terrestrial Apex

The devs have made quite the oversight in design here

[agile granite]

Is the plan not to update deino to be bigger and stronger as the roster grows too? I swear that was the original plan. I refuse to believe the animal that was deemed "the ever growing croc" and "hypo killer" is being reduced to something that can't kill a stego in groups.

[last lily]

Kaui'O'o ghost calls.

[scarlet nova]

Maybe in the future.
But if you want my opinion. I think that the playables should be balanced based off of the dinosaurs that are currently available. There is always room for tweaking the stats after a new implementation of new playables. But since we have no clue when an update will drop we can potentially end up with a wacky misbalance for months on end, which turns many active followers away from the game.
A bad marketing strat if you ask me. It is smart to build up a following now and have a functioning game before updates are released.
Considering the legacy branch is a husk of what it once was and the primary focus is on the evrima branch. It is smart to draw in people with consistent gameplay, especially in relation to what is currently available.
We shouldn't have to wait to get a balanced game.

Besides my point wasn't essentially that steg was over powered. There is just an inconsistency with Utah's pounce and I feel that dieno is not a very imposing threat to stego, even though the dieno is supposed to be it's active predator. A solo steg can easily compete with 2 dienos (a full dieno group) and I don't think it should.

[zealous violet]

True. I honestly dont know why they even put the stego in when they did other than to have a classics dinosaur in there with them for advertisement reasons.
No matter how OP stego is right now, it would be fairly jarring to have them balanced with what we currently have and once more of the roster is in for them to suddenly be balanced to compete with the big bads but really things move slow enough that they could do this and we would understand.

[barren zephyr]

deinosuchus is not supposed to be it's predator. it's entire thing is based upon it's lunge which wont allow them to carry something that's over half their size. u shouldn't attack a stegosaurus due to them simply being to large, tail spikes are also gonna hurt no matter how u put it so just stay away from stegos and let the utahs hunt them, there's a lot of options for deino other than stegosaurus.

[high nymph]

@maiden anvil I think decreasing stam cost on attacks works better

[limber hull]

@maiden anvil why would you INCREASE tail slam stam?

[high nymph]

Thats not what he said tho

[limber hull]

huh

why did i read that

am i dumb????

[high nymph]

yeah idk 💁‍♂️

[limber hull]

i think im dumb

[high nymph]

nah

[maiden anvil]

Why I think tenonto also should have better stamina when running is also because it should have the option to run away if needed. Right now, all they can do is fight

[gritty vine]

@maiden anvil im all for buffing teno, but maybe not stamina, I can already chase down a carno in the open if it misses a charge so giving it more stamina would honestly be unfair for carno and we all know what happened after people thought carno needed a buff...

[gritty vine]

you cant run away from carno unless they nerf the tracking system

[maiden anvil]

Lemme tell you how

Carnos are indeed faster, I know that. Though, if you run away from a carno and they get closer you can just kick them while running. Why this isn’t a thing is because tenonto doesn’t have enough stamina

[gritty vine]

nthey would need to be inside your tail for you to kick them. and they can just stick to the outside of your tail and u are just gonna waste stamina

[maiden anvil]

So? It doesn’t prove that tenonto can’t run away without it being ineffective. If carno loses stamina before tenonto then it’s doomed

The carno would be dumb if it was to chase after a tenonto because sooner or later the carno will run outta stamina before teno

[gritty vine]

teno shits on carno 1v1 anyway, maybe the devs put it that way so that they make tenos win 100% of the time

[maiden anvil]

They really don’t. That why I suggested it having better stamina

[gritty vine]

some prey can defend, others can run, I honestly dont think one should be able to effectively do both

[maiden anvil]

I think so

[gritty vine]

bro... they SHIT on carno, 5 kicks and carno is dead.

[gritty vine]

tell me one prey in teh wild that can bboth effectively run away and effectively defend itself from a predator

Ive legit went 20-0 with teno vs carno, Ive sometimes took 3 carnos, sure they were bad but 20-0

[maiden anvil]

With pleasure… bison, Buffalo, elk and wildebeest

[gritty vine]

some were decent, most were bad but stil lteno shits on carno any day

[gritty vine]

wildebeast, no. bison? bro tehy cant EFFECTIVELY run away, they run but they cant get away unless the predator gives up themselves

bison cant effectively run away

[maiden anvil]

How about elks

[gritty vine]

wildebeast will never defend itself against a fucking lion lmao

elks arent meant to be hunted and they dont run they defend themselves

they are too fucking big unless you got a pack on 10 wolves

basically a stego

[maiden anvil]

You salty?

[gritty vine]

oh wait no

[maiden anvil]

It sounds like it

[gritty vine]

Ive confused elks with moose sorry

[maiden anvil]

LMAO

[gritty vine]

idk, seems liek yo ucomplaining teno gets beaten by a carno 1v1 just sounds like a you problem

Ive chased down like 8 fucking carnos lmao if you give teno more stam it'll be broken

you should FIGHT the carno rather than run awway

it can easily and effecitvely do so

[urban flax]

Every animal should be able to fight OR get away from its predators. If it can do both, it falls under the category of over-powered
Because running away from something often means you can also chase it down

[gritty vine]

^^

[urban flax]

And if teno can beat carno AND chase it down... teno becomes an unavoidable predator for carno, which becomes fodder

[gritty vine]

exactly

[maiden anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/bugs-bunny-im-out-gif-9335421

[urban flax]

Sorry to crush your dreams Arvid
But although even I vastly prefer Teno over Carno and wish it curbstomped it in every way possible, there's a sense of balance to retain in the game

[maiden anvil]

Fair… perhaps I just gotta learn how to play teno better

[limber hull]

just make teno take less stam on tail

[high nymph]

You want to make it where the herbivor cant just outstam the carnivor so that it would be able to chase it down, unless the carnivor already used some of its stamina ofcourse. Therefor less stam on attack seems the better option here

[maiden anvil]

@urban flax very good idea indeed. I support any form of making it easier to group up but my only worry would be if it could lead to more mega packing. Could I be wrong?

[urban flax]

I don't think it would change megapacking since megapacks already emit a scent

[maiden anvil]

While it can definitely support players to form groups like megapacks, there’s always ways to conquer them with adjustments of present systems. Mostly diets and (like you said) pack scent

[urban flax]

I think the inclusion of new dinos species will contribute a lot to the reduction of megapacking

Even if all dinos were played strictly equally that'd be 12 carnos on the map, and since the map is so small they'd likely meet each other
So it's a guaranteed megapack

[burnt bone]

Honestly, this helps mega packs about as much as 1-calls.

[maiden anvil]

The only difference with this and 1 calling is that players of other species won’t detect your location like it does with 1 call

Then it doesn’t have to be exactly what Bubulblu suggested. Scent mark to be used as beacons is generally a good idea

[urban flax]

I'd say it's also less efficient than 1-calling because it requires other players to be sniffing and looking in your direction

The appearance of the scent could also be delayed

[urban flax]

Then the solution resides in altering fractures healing. I agree that it mostly heals too fast, no matter the playable. Especially the fact it still heals when running is bs

[glad briar]

Oh OK I wasn't sure I would just rather there be a way to toggle it than be limited to what I can do like what the did with legacy

[thorny lynx]

How doss everyone enjoy the daytime/nighttime idea I proposed?

[proud coral]

👍

[modest crystal]

@whole furnace Or atleast let Deino get full O2 back in like 10-15sec on the surface, not a minute or so.

[whole furnace]

Yeah fr. It’s ridiculous

[livid bramble]

@clever thorn

I just logged on for the first time today in a while

Unplayable with the lag i got

And I kept spawning under the map each time, having to starve myself out to even get to play

Wont be touching the game till the performance is fixed, I dont lag on any other game

[clever thorn]

That is what i mean. Performance should be better. But for 2 Years now it got worse and worse and noone is saying something or whatever. Some Dev sayd to somebody that its there PC and not the Game but it is 100% the Game i got a 3080 ti and i still only have 40 FPS on lowsettings which is redicioulus

[livid bramble]

It is 100% the game, I can run other massive games just fine

[clever thorn]

Deino should get at least 10 Minutes or/and have a quicker regen for the O2

[clever thorn]

yeah its a huge problem and they keep on adding more stuff and with that more Bugs and more Performance Issues

[livid bramble]

Thats what annoys me the most about the game, I had like 1500 hours in the isle before all this and now I cannot play because the problem hasnt been fixed in years

[clever thorn]

instead of taking some Time into the Performance issues and trying to Fix it. Even if they have to lower the Graphics or whatever i mean Legacy looks horrible compaired to evrima but more Ppl are playing it

[livid bramble]

Yeah, all my settings are now on low and it's still unplayable for me, ran "decently" on full graphics a couple years ago early evrima

[clever thorn]

And idk if its true but they sayd that they made the Rivers deeper or something but i didnt see any difference. Do they just tell us what we want to hear or what. basicly Lying to us

same when they say that they fixed many Bugs. Yeah which Bugs? Some importent ones or just some little.

[livid bramble]

Every time I see the isle brought up now outside of this community its always met with "lol i dont play the isle, its too buggy" or "too laggy," it isnt just a problem for people with bad computers 😆

[clever thorn]

No and i dont understand why the Devs dont take is siriously. I mean you can even see in the Devs stream that its laggy as shit and you cant tell me that that isnt annoying for them

Mabey they should Update the Engine or whatever but if they throw Updates at the Current speed which is every 6 Months which is to long and only fix unimportant shit then this Game is going to die out in the next 3 Years

[livid bramble]

But all in all yeah I'd be more excited if they released an update addressing the lag than if they released an update for the nesting or skin system, so that I can actually play the previous update

[clever thorn]

And we are not going to see a Barionyx or Spino or Trike anky what ever in the next 10 Years if the game survives it

they are working on stuff yeah but sadly on the Wrong stuff all the Time. Same with Humans . They can work on humans when the Base Game is working and has a decent amount of Dinos but thats not gonna be the case in the next 5 Years

Sadly most of the Time you only hear negative stuff for this Game. It looks beatifull but thats about it

[livid bramble]

Yes it's amazingly beautiful, I want to be able to enjoy their hard work and buy the game for my friends to support it, but if my computer cant handle it theirs definitely cannot

[clever thorn]

I mean much hasnt Change from Legacy to Evrima exept the Graphic

But Carno looks the Same Deino looks the Same Stego the Hud except the Diet now but yeah

the Graphic got better its a different Map and way worse Performance

And i gotta say if those Update dont come out faster many Ppl are going to leave because they dont have the Time to play a unfinished Game for Years. at the Current speed the Game wont be finished in the Next 10 Years

not even near to be finished

IDK if i Compare the Bug Fixes from The Isle with Path of Titans PoT is miles ahead. They Updated the engine if there is a Bug with a Dino they fix it at least a day later but i got the Feeling that its not that important for the Devs of The Isle if something works or not. Idk why but i know PoT doesnt have the Graphics but its enough to play it and they try to make it better and it gets better and sadly not like in the isle. It gets worse and worse and worse. And idk if its even important for the Devs or if they even know it if they play theyre own game

I love this Game but sometimes i got the Feeling that the Game is supposed to run horrible and even get worse. The Devs do a great job yes but they do it wrong. I mean i dont know better but yeah its a weird feeling if you see a Game die out more and more.

[proud coral]

@vale ridge A pseudo-first person cam (first person but not really) was confirmed to come once they rework cameras a bit. It's more so just zooming in right in front of your dino's face rather than true "see from their eyes" first person.

[scarlet nova]

i feel like that makes the diets misleading. if you cant hunt your preferred prey when it grows then it shouldn't be on your diet. sure "eat it while its young" young stegs are either in a group of several adults or are using the glitched water. there is no hunting opportunities for deino when it comes to steg. itll probably change when the glitched water is fixed but still. 2 full grown deinos can not take a lone steg unless it royally messes up.

[ashen wasp]

oh, is Stego on Deino's diet?? yikes

[burnt bone]

or its just on there so deinos have a reason to actually eat the bodies. otherwise they just dont get nutrients at all from eating it, so stego bodies would just rot for hours.

[scarlet nova]

when have you ever seen a stego body near the water?

i personally have never

[burnt bone]

when it decides its done with its life or crocs kill it

[scarlet nova]

crocs get their butts handed to it by stegs. and that is just my point. you dont see a steg body unless it decides it done playing steg. that seems to me that maybe the steg player just has to be playing stupid for anyone to even dream of downing one.

i think that 2 crocs should be equipped to take a lone steg. but they are not. i dont think that it is very balanced. that is all i am saying. that and fix utah pounce so that they have a chance too

[barren zephyr]

The glitched water is just a map issue though, and there isn't enough animals to make a full diet so that's the reason stegosaurus is in there. it'll probably get replaced with something manageable when more dinosaurs are added.

[scarlet nova]

for the time being, shouldn't the stats of the dinosuars revolve around the current roster. they can always be tweaked in the future. for the time being they should at least make the current diets manageable., and when the devs add new dinosaurs the stats will be re-tweaked to align with the next roster.

it isn't a difficult ask. I know that the water is a map issue and will be addressed. but giving an incomplete or unmanageable mechanic that is inconsistent to the statistics of the dinosaurs is off putting for first time players trying to follow their diet

[barren zephyr]

sure, but deinosuchus can already kill everything else in the roster with one lunge. it'd be more fair to just remove stegosaurus from the diet in my opinion. it can be replaced with something in the future.

[scarlet nova]

deinosuchas can kill everything on the roster except a stego with one lunge. stego can kill everything on the roster except the deinosuchus with one tailswing

[barren zephyr]

deinosuchus is a predator though, and it's a forced interaction unless u drink in a shallow area.

[scarlet nova]

im saying the fact it can kill things isnt a valid point in this argument.

A lone steg should not be able to go up against 2 deinos and live. 2 dienos together account for more body mass and power relative to a lone steg. that is literally all i am saying.
I think that, in relation to the current public roster. the dinosuars statistics and mechanics should always balance out. otherwise itll drive people away from the game.

maybe the next dinosuar can effectively kill a steg. great. but who knows when that update is coming out?

we could end up with a steg tank for months for all we know. might as well balance the gameplay so the community can at the very least enjoy it.

[barren zephyr]

most deino stego fights happen on land so the stegosaurus should win, the majority of bites u will get on a stegosaurus are tail bites considering that's where they'll be facing u and the majority of hits they get on u will be headshots. it's not the smartest move to actually try to fight them on land.

[scarlet nova]

there is never a rim or reason for stegs to cross rivers. or to be in the water for a duration of time that will earn a kill. maybe that would be solved by a removal from the diets, but that objectively turns the deinosuchus into a small game hunter. I am all for moving around the diets in the future.
But currently. that is one less predator for the steg. this super tank with only one predator, a predateor with a primary attack that is completely unreliable. Utahs pounce has been all over the place for a while now. if the utah isnt going to lower the steg populations and the deinos are too worthless to do it. what is the point in playing anything but stego?

[scarlet nova]

i am talking current gameplay. future gameplay is just speculation and it is unknown to me or anyone when it will be released. i see no reason why the stats can't be tweaked until the new roaster is implemented. after the new roster, the devs can move around the diets and stats to compensate for the change.

[vale ridge]

yea that would be nice, you should be able to see whatever your eyes see. so peering through a push or walking through thick jungle will actually be practical

[limber hull]

@deep matrix you know that's already a thing, right

most animals take 1.5x damage to the head

with the exception of pachy and stego, who take around 0.75x and 2x respectively

[deep matrix]

Mean more specific and in depth

Not just locational

Example, an anky would have a weak point on the belly, but for example, on say, trike, it would be the back of the neck

Shant the bottom of the throat, deino the back of the skull etc

Stuff you have to learn per species and once you do learn to aim for or protect as said species

[limber hull]

that just sounds like locational damage but with extra steps and way too hard to pull off

you have to hit a tiny minuscule spot in an animal's most protected area for a bit of a damage bonus

barely sounds like its worth it at all

[deep matrix]

You could easily up the damage dealt to those areas to improve the worth

That way fights against big stuff doesn’t become a slog of “hit it till it dies in 3 hours” or just cancer like what carno and deino are dealing with rn in their mirror matches

[limber hull]

imho, it adds nothing to combat besides a critical hit spot if your hitbox manages to collide with the "special damage zone"

since its very unlikely players will be consistently hitting these areas

aiming for the head is much easier than remembering the "special death zone" on each and every animal, and doesn't require you to constantly consult the discord or other mediums to find out how best to dispatch someone

(assuming it'd even be possible to consistently hit such a tiny spot)

[grave sorrel]

@admins not sure if there's anything you can do about it but there is a player with the tag @hot laurelcorck (although theyve changed their name a few times usually keeping adam in there) camping northwest spawn in NA 1 killing every single utah they come across. They two call to get in the group and then kills anyone they can. There are many people talking about him in global chat on a daily basis. I'm sure this counts as griefing, considering he talks constant garbage and curses in global for getting kills on Utahs. Its ruining the experience, just wanted to know if theres anything we could do as a community about it.

North west spawn, and local, sorry

i didnt mean to @ that adam thats just the tag he uses

Does it not fall under general? some of my friends assume theres still griefing stuff

okay coolio

[pure quiver]

My idea was that just like how a "fleshy" layer or shader shows up when a body is getting eaten, I feel like a locational damage shader could be added to the animated skin layers once certain bounding boxes get hit, displaying variations of wounds depending on damage strength and frequency of attacks. Then also add layer collision for scars (Scars wont break or at least wont break as easy, so you can get a crisscross pattern of scars and wounds on your body)

[trim dirge]

Why do people hate the night in EVRIMA?

[pure quiver]

Because they dont stick to their diet and get terrible night vision

Half of the complaints I've seen is because of player error. and the other half is legit

[proud coral]

Little late to the convo, but night starts way too early and the lack of NV makes it annoying.

Also poor diet does nothing to vision currently. It mentions it but it's not implemented yet.

[digital sparrow]

Night vision is terrible in the jungle and underwater but elsewhere seems fine.

[barren zephyr]

Honestly I don’t know why people want realism with the Dino designs (feathered Dino’s and lips) like the isle takes place in a world where the same thing that made the Dino’s made hypos and nuros if you want 100% realism then go play Saurian

[sick dirge]

Realism makes certain dinos look much better imo

Like utah

(Which isn’t a Utah but whatever)

[barren zephyr]

I understand your point with Utah because Utah in the isle is just a jp velociraptor but I’ve seen some people just want realism just for the sake of realism

[eternal owl]

Yes but some animals look genuinely cursed without accuracy, like galli

Or current velo

And tbh dilos crests look a lil cursed to me but it doesn’t bother me that much

[barren zephyr]

And at the same time the isle is a survival horror and some realistic designs won’t really add the horror part of the game

[eternal owl]

Oh also current spino with long legs is very cursed

It can be all kaiju looking and stuff, that’s fine, but them legs is too long

[barren zephyr]

I see your point with galli because the current design is ok emphasis on OK because it does kind of need plumage

And spino is obviously not even trying to be realistic and I think it looks pretty cool

[ashen wasp]

thicketssssss

[civic hull]

Allo

[ashen wasp]

hatchet bite's been disproven iirc. allo isnt being added to the game anytime soon, devs have stated they wanna focus on the small dudes first. stego was only added because it was finished early, originally it was gonna be AI-only first. devs decided to give it to us as a surprise, a lot of us think that was a mistake because it kinda screwed up the ecosystem. allo's been said to be getting a grapple attack, no word on any hatchet bite.

[gray loom]

@topaz palm herbies have that problem too dont they?

[topaz palm]

Herbies don't ever gain all three nutrients from anything they eat. They have to seek out their three different foods from the start.

[white torrent]

I agree that Allo should have been added with Stego and not Carno, because Carno has no business playing with Stego, but

The hatchet bite has been disproven for awhile now

[gray loom]

@scarlet nova look on the bright side, the second an apex comes into the game you will never see a stego player ever again. Stegos will get their shit rocked by an apex since its not fast enough to get away. Sure the utahs are meant to be population control, but the only population right now they can really control is only juviniles. Maybe in the future it will be better at it, but not now

[limber hull]

stego and deino are, imho, very weak for apexes. Issue is that they're still apexes in an environment with very little that comes near them

[urban flax]

@barren zephyr What would be your plans for carcharodontosaurus that would make it different from giga ?

[limber hull]

i'd imagine carcha would literally just be like tarbo, rejected because it's literally just another version of the same apex

[barren zephyr]

When i think of giga i think of a slow, strong and heavy killer that relies on ambushing to catch it’s prey. When i think of carcharodontosaurus i think of a fast hunter with lots of stamina and bleed. Their skulls are also quite different if you compare them up close.

[barren zephyr]

Basically the carcha should be faster, have better stamina, better bleed but it should also weigh less and have a weaker bite.

[urban flax]

So it's just a matter of slightly altered stats ?

[urban flax]

Also that's rex

And a slight difference in skull shape doesn't justify an entire new playable either

[limber hull]

yea, you literally described rex there lmao

"slow, strong, heavy and ambush-oriented"

and you described carcha as how giga will likely be

[uneven jewel]

I could see it being an alternate skin w/ slightly modified stats but same mechanic as giga

[limber hull]

egh, i dont like that

[barren zephyr]

I mean that’s also what giga is, it has more stamina and a better trot but it’s slow and relies on ambush

[limber hull]

it would mean giga and carcha could interbreed

which i'd find weird, as they are still very different species

[uneven jewel]

Neither do I tbh

[barren zephyr]

The carcharodontosaurus would look good with a large colorful crest like the one in planet dinosaur

[limber hull]

i dont know what that has to do with what i just said

[uneven jewel]

If I remember way back, the plan was for carch to be a (paid?) skin for giga

Like primal carnage offered the dlc skins to swap Dino models

But I don’t know how well if at all that would implement into Evrima

[barren zephyr]

You guys are right, but i just feel like carchar has too much potential to be left out of the game. Carchar just feels like a kinda weak dinosaur when it comes to fighting other apexes but with the speed and stamina it would make it the perfect hunter and a nightmare for basically everything else in the game

[limber hull]

i mean... we have other animals for that, like acro

acro is literally an example of a "weak when it comes to fighting other apexes but otherwise is quite strong"

[uneven jewel]

Im sure there will be some dedicated sauropod hunters and giga (maybe carch if it becomes it’s own thing) will maybe fill that niche

[urban flax]

Carcha is the unnecessary middle ground between acro and giga
Because acro is already a middle ground between allo and giga

[barren zephyr]

Is it gonna be weak in evrima? It feels kinda broken in Legacy and i don’t think a weak dino is what they were going for. Acro has a large spine and generally looks like it would be much heavier and stronger than it is currently

[limber hull]

okay but its still going to be way smaller than the apex trio

and im not using legacy stats to justify the strength of an EVRIMA animal

especially a sandbox animal, which were all notorious for being either fucking broken or basically useless

[uneven jewel]

Yeah, legacy is not a good indication of how it’ll play in Evrima

[barren zephyr]

True, i’m just saying that in my opinion, carchar has too much potential to be left out of the game. Idk how it would be different from acro and giga, but i know that there’s a way for it to differ, either by looks or by stats

[limber hull]

evrima has animals be significantly different, it isnt legacy where every animal is the same but they look different and have mildly different stats

evrima animals have unique abilities and skills custom to them

a giga and an allo were literally just the same animals but with different stats and coats of paint in legacy. in EVRIMA, these animals will be notably different in many ways

you can't just make a clone animal of giga and call it a day anymore

[barren zephyr]

I feel like it’s a stretch to call carchar a clone of giga. There’s so many ways to make it different

[limber hull]

like

what niche could it possibly have to massively seperate it from giga

[barren zephyr]

Looks, speed, stamina, strenght, sounds, animations and stuff like that

Strength*

[limber hull]

so, legacy

new animals need to have proper niches and skills in EVRIMA, they can't just be a paint coat and stat changes

it's like adding sarcosuchus. It'd just be another deino

[urban flax]

Reminders me of that one guy who wanted to add purrusaurus

And he wanted it to be "like deino, but slightly stronger so it can control deino overpopulation"

[limber hull]

carcha is to giga what sarco is to deino

[barren zephyr]

The carchar could maybe be able to smell much further than other apexes or maybe it could have better night vision

[limber hull]

so it's a giga perk build

i seriously cant see a reason for it to exist beyond it being another dinosaur

it's not got a notable enough niche to deserve existing

The only reason I could see it existing is to be the giga to acro's rex and sucho's spino, in which case, why the fuck do we need the apex trio trial edition lmao

[barren zephyr]

If they can add kentrosaurus why can’t they add carchar? The only difference between kentro and stego is the spikes

[urban flax]

And the fact stego is roughly 10x the size of kentro

[limber hull]

It's also almost 1/5th the size of stego lmao

And the spikes are a unique mechanic which no other playable really has

[barren zephyr]

Carchar could be the faster, more agile giga while being a larger and heavier acro which is roughly what it was in real life. In planet dinosaur the carchar looked elegant with a colorful crest and had some nice roars. My bad about the stego and kentro btw, i didn’t know the stego was THAT big

[limber hull]

okay but adding a dinosaur because it looked nice in planet dinosaur is genuinely not a good game development strategy

[last lily]

As cool as Carcharadontosaurus is... it really wouldn't add anything to the game since both Giga and Acro exist. Giga and Carcharadontosaurus effectively shared the same niche and lifestyle when they were alive--as did Mapusaurus-- also keep in mind, any speed or agility changes would probably be minor as the only real differences in weight between the two are are a few tons which to 7.5-9 ton theropods, doesn't really change much(at least in functionality.. They and Rex would've both been slower in life, but probably good at trotting down prey, but studies on Carcharadontosaurid locomotion are probably non existent.

[barren zephyr]

Ur 100% right. I just hope we will be able to make a carcharodontosaurus mod in the future

[last lily]

You basically already have a trio with Allo, Acro and Giga--worth noting, Acro too suffered this niche issue, but it's at least got a notable difference in weight.

[last lily]

In 2077

[barren zephyr]

Haha yea

[civic hull]

Where has it been disproven

[ashen wasp]

https://digital.csic.es/bitstream/10261/22490/1/102.pdf

[terse topaz]

YDAW did a very good explanation of why this theory is most likely incorrect

[signal beacon]

Adding allo right now will just make the apex problem worse. No one will play anything other than allo, deino, and stego because nothing else could kill them

Honestly what the fuck happened to keeping the roster made up of small teirs

[ashen wasp]

Don’t forget Carno, as nothing should be able to hunt down a smart Carno

[pine bluff]

So I gotta ask just because I'm curious, yesterday at 3:25 PM I tossed out an idea about Social actions for dinos..... What were peoples opinions on it?

[urban flax]

If they give buffs it's a no
If they don't it's whatever in my opinion

More animation time that could be better used on actual mechanics, but it could be nice

[bleak bison]

@barren zephyr we don’t need it when we have Giga and acro

[brittle night]

@tropic copper global chat won't be added anymore

[tropic copper]

That's sad :c

[inland kiln]

yea..

my stego is stuck and im wondering if i can get located to a new area

if thats even posible

like why is there not an unstuck button??

whould rlly make this game way better

[barren zephyr]

the admins are there for that, I suppose...

[maiden anvil]

Hello

[urban flax]

@maiden anvil yes but shorter, applied by a broader range of attacks and it's called "stagger"

Also half of what's in your suggestion is already applied with head fractures

[maiden anvil]

Didn’t know that until now

So it’s basically in already then?

[urban flax]

Basically head fractures gives you concussions, which obscures your vision and (I thinnk ?) alters your movement
I'd like it if a wider range of attacks applied some sort of stagger/short slowdown effect to make them feel more impactful and improve a little bit the combat experience

[maiden anvil]

Could very well work. Maybe a shock shouldn’t be a thing in all cases but something the para can cause to other animals

[urban flax]

imo para could cause everything concussion already does, without fractures

[maiden anvil]

Could end up a little op if it was to effect vision to such a large degree. Maybe it would be similar but you’d be able to see a little better then actual head fractures

[urban flax]

yeah

[maiden anvil]

Cool, then I’ll do a para sonic attack suggestion later today and I would highly appreciate it if you’d leave feedback on it @urban flax

[bleak bison]

@scarlet nova you can’t expect Juvis to hunt their preferred diet from when they spawn in. Unless they’re in a family with adults.

[ruby valve]

please fix the fatal error issue, its like it gets worse the more u play

[icy lion]

Please use #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞 to submit issues like these, or use #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧 to try and find help for the issue

[ruby valve]

They already know of this issue, they just havent fixed it for months and ive tried troubleshooting and ive checked all the pinned messages and none of that works ..

[manic flint]

Sucho is kinda dinky in legacy
I want my 4.2t sucho in Evrima

[ashen elm]

I don't think that size comparison is right lul

tiny allo and oversized outdated sucho

[barren zephyr]

Nope it’s accurate

[manic flint]

I've seen that one before, it's an average Allo vs the largest sucho specimen we have (we have like 2)

TI is using a larger Allo iirc so the difference would be a bit different

[ashen elm]

I really doubt it is
Let me see if I can make a size chart for comparison

[barren zephyr]

It’s an average allo vs an average sucho

The holotype specimen was probably not even fully grown making the adult sucho even larger.

[manic flint]

*we aren't sure if it was fully grown or not, no tests have been done to prove or disprove it

[manic flint]

Maybe ask Falcon?

[last lily]

It'd probably still be better for the game to just take a little bit of liberty and push for Sucho to be larger.
It'd allow it to defend itself better, and keep it in the clear from being Deino fodder(in theory, if the two had to interact in a river, swamp or lake environment).

Maybe not be accurate to have a 4.5- 5 ton Sucho(absolute limit, anything above that is a no go), but it is a game with lipless carnotaurus, JP/JW Velociraptor, Tenotosaurus on crack and a quadruped... and also Magy.

[manic flint]

I would make sucho 4200kg like in Nova's size charts, I think it works best

[ashen elm]

I have both of his skeletals for these, so I'll just do it myself.

Well the technically his edits of other skeletals lol, I think one is random and the other is franoys sucho

[barren zephyr]

It has to be atleast 5 tons, 11 meters long and 3,5 meters tall. Everything else is just disrespectful to the sucho lol

[ashen elm]

Well TI can make whatever animal vary in size since they don't exactly play by accucracy
I was more taken aback by the size discrepancy which I don't think is correct

[last lily]

I still wish our Carno had lips to hide its buck teeth and to just look a little more natural(and also cover the gap between the lower and upper jaw which is most noticeable in its juvi stages...)

[barren zephyr]

In my opinion Sucho needs to be able to destroy allo and rival acro.

[barren zephyr]

Same

[manic flint]

Sucho is estimated to be 3.8 so 4.2 is enough of an increase

[barren zephyr]

The suchomimus weighed 2,5 to 5,2 tonnes. Since they were generous with the allos size they should also be generous with the suchos size

[manic flint]

Sucho is my favourite Dino but I don't think it needs to be that big

[manic flint]

I'm assuming metric, yea?
I haven't seen an estimate of 5.2t

[barren zephyr]

Suchomimus was 9.5 to 11 metres (31 to 36 feet) long and weighed between 2.5 to 5.2 tonnes (2.8 to 5.7 short tons), although the holotype specimen may not have been fully grown.

This is what almost all sources State so it’s most likely accurate

[ashen elm]

This Allo isn't being generous with it's size, since there are some specimens that are contested that could bring it bigger
But are usually assigned to other genera like "Epanterias" and Saurophoganax

[last lily]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKeKuaJ4nlw

[barren zephyr]

Saurophaganax hasn’t been confirmed to be an allosaur so that doesn’t count

[barren zephyr]

One Google search is all it takes good sir

[last lily]

I saw the chance and I took it.

[barren zephyr]

Understandable

[ashen elm]

It's still 2.8 tons, which isn't that much of a difference from the only confirmed sizes of 3.4 for Sucho

Why bend the rules for one but not the other?

Anyway tiny resolution but there you go, it's not a big difference at all
No idea where you got Spinosaurus sized Sucho from

[last lily]

Why so small

[ashen elm]

Because that's it's actual size

If he's arguing for realism, that should be it

[last lily]

I meant resolution

[barren zephyr]

How long is that allo and sucho?

[ashen elm]

Oh, because I used a huge ass size chart lol
I have other skeletals that I use to make comparisons on that sheet

It's using Randoms Allosaurus so 7.4 m

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/385574099797409803/880548560611966986/allosaurus_fragilis_skeletal_reconstruction__by_randomdinos_dcfo5dn-fullview.png

[barren zephyr]

If the allo is 7,4 m then the sucho is wayyyyyyy too short

This is as accurate as it gets

That’s an average sized sucho and a large allo btw

[ashen elm]

So you are using Franoys Allo? It's fine but it's older and probably has too long of a tail
And we don't know an average sized Sucho because we barely have any specimens

Sereno did collect some new one's though, but who knows when they'll get described

[manic flint]

Sucho like 2 specimens
And the rest aren't described

[ashen elm]

Basically yes

[manic flint]

Is this Allo the same size as the one in game?

[ashen elm]

Likely not, I think our Allo is probably a bit oversized but not completely sure
TI isn't usually very accurate with sizes anyway

Diablo, Pue, Anky 💀

At least Para and Anky got upsized so technically they are correct in retrospect

[barren zephyr]

as long as the sucho gets to rival the apexes and not be completely and utterly obliterated by them i'm happy

[ashen elm]

I wouldn't hold out hope
It'll probably still serve between 3-4 tons
Even at a fictional 5 tons it's not really competing with Rex, Giga or Spino

[barren zephyr]

it probably shouldn't compete with giga, rex or spino, but it should be able to hold it's own against an acro

[manic flint]

I've always wanted big para
This isn't walkeri but still

Also Edmonto

[ashen elm]

Hmm the problem is spinosaurids kinda "punch down" rather than up
So I think it'll probably struggle against Acro too

But who knows, they did monsterify Spino so

[ashen elm]

Maybe if we didn't have Shant

I think giant Para and Shant occupy too much of the same space

[barren zephyr]

idk, but if it turns out the same as in legacy i'm quitting the isle lmao, it couldn't outrun nor could it fight any of the apexes

[manic flint]

True

[ashen elm]

lol I get it
balance does need a better look this time around

Sucho I think will rely on using waterways against things faster than it on land and running away on land from things bigger or faster than it in the water

[barren zephyr]

deino is gonna put a stop to that lol

[ashen elm]

It's a big map, they can't be everywhere

There might be some areas, if Jace creates it right, that could alternate between land and water to kinda create the perfect environment for wading animals like Cherius and Sucho

[barren zephyr]

true

welp it's 4 am for me so imma head to bed

cya

[ashen elm]

👋 night

[manic flint]

Sucho should be able to beat up packs of allos but not an acro

[ashen elm]

Yea, there aren't many theropods that are not carcharadontids that can rival Acro in that size range

[manic flint]

Spinosaurids punch down ur right

[ashen elm]

Maybe Torvo and the new Giant Abelisaur but both are still lighter than Acro

[manic flint]

How big is Acro?

[ashen elm]

5.4-6 tons

the exact number fluctuates but around there

[manic flint]

May I introduce you to tarbo and zhuchengtyrannus

Both sitting at 5.4 tons

[ashen elm]

Oh I know them but do we really want another tyrannosauroid in the game?
Both are going to be hard to differentiate from sub-rex

It's the same reason I didn't mention other carcharadontids lul

Oof, though I don't think this is accurate

[manic flint]

No but just dayin

[ashen elm]

Ah ok, well it'll be cool seeing Tarbo in Prehistoric Planet though

[icy lion]

@torpid idol If you don't click on the Evidence box, you can submit the report without it

[torpid idol]

Damn.. Alr. Ill try tomorrow again then

Even tho i feel like bugs wont be fixed soon until a new release/update

[icy lion]

If you want the fixes to be in the update, you should submit reports

[scarlet nova]

you actually can. considering this arrangement would not only require other juvenile animals to come out of hiding, which makes it easier to hunt preferred items, but a portion of prey items on a juvenile diet are ai as well. And even if the player can not find preferred items they still can depend on smaller ai, which spawns regularly, until they find the opportunity.

a carnivore juvenile diet should apply to the player always. its too easy to grow right now, you can make it to sub adult on every animal squatting in a bush with the abundant options around you, which all give the same benefits. if the diet always applied then players would be essentially forced to interact with other players. this would give more edge to the gameplay. If this idea was applied then it would not only be essential to find your diets, but at the same time it'll be relatively easy because there are other juvie players doing the same thing, that would take care of the juveniles dietary needs for playable dinosaurs.

and especially with the up and coming nesting system. this would go hand in hand. like you said "you can’t expect Juvies to hunt their preferred diet from when they spawn in. Unless they’re in a family with adults."
of course you can still find ways around growing and going solo. its simple, especially with the amount of ai that spawns, which is very easy to find, even on highly populated servers

[bleak bison]

Coming out of hiding doesn’t necessarily mean it’ll help them hunt their diet,since most of the time their diet is bigger and stronger than them if we’re assuming the carni is a fresh spawn and the herbivores are older since from my experience Juvi and Juvi hunts never happens. Also the diet system is far too taxing to not go after your preferred diet so I reiterate. You can’t expect Juvi carnivores to hunt their preferred prey.

[scarlet nova]

Juvie and juvie hunts don't happen because there is no incentive to a juvie going out in search of another juvenile player as of now. Instead they go to the corners of the map and live off of ai until they reach sub adult and then they ride the hex buffs to adulthood.
If juvies were required to hunt their dietary preferences in these circumstances, then there would be juvie on juvie hunts. Because all juveniles would actively be leaving the safety of a bush to find something to sustain them. This concept does not apply to one animal on the roster. If one species is getting this treatment so is everything else. That means while the juvie Utah is out searching the juvie carno is too.
That naturally sets up more interactions in the earlier stages of growing. It spices up the game. The game becomes more than sitting passively in a bush until you are grown enough.

Besides, like I said, carnies also have ai diets to think about and fall back on. And if a hunt is too large to handle, a player with a functioning brain can simply walk away from it.

This playstyle does also build the incentive to form packs early on which can be beneficial in the long run anyway.

[bleak bison]

Juvi hunts don’t happen because partly that reason but also the fact that the chances of encountering a Juvi that’s on your preferred diet is extremely low

[scarlet nova]

Chance encounters are currently low because they are hiding.
They would be higher if they weren't.

[bleak bison]

Wouldn’t you have to change herbivore diets to prevent that then?

But herbivore diets is fine the way it is

[scarlet nova]

Most herbivore diets are in locations that are in open fields. It only takes active patrol and observation to find a juvenile herbivore.
Having a chance encounter with something of your diet that is too large too handle is simply up to the decision to wait for something more manageable on the part of the carnie player. It is possible to find juvie herb players if you patrol the treeline frequently.

[bleak bison]

Afk growing to 50%>patrolling the tree line. I’d rather afk until the diet system is changed slightly over walk around the tree line to potentially see a Juvi herbi

[scarlet nova]

I personally like the idea of consiously playing the game that I paid for.

You do you.

I think that if there was more immersive qualities to the earlier stages of growth then playing the game would be a bit more enjoyable, there would be more content within the process of growing your dinosaur instead of being given the chance to deny other players and yourself the fun of pursuing opportunities in hunting in-game.
There needs to be more to the game than sitting somewhere to grow just to enjoy your couple of hunts where you succeed in catching big game and then die. There needs to be a reason to go through the process and to enjoy it.

The best way to do that is to make players actually play during process instead of sitting through it.

To reiterate your statement :

Playing the game > doing nothing

[bleak bison]

Doing nothing shouldn’t be more viable than playing the game. Which it is right now

[scarlet nova]

Yes. Which is why an incentive to playing the game would be very beneficial.

And since one of the primary reasons people don't play it is to afk grow on there hex diets, particularly carnivores. There should be a change to the diet system.
A good starter would be to make following them a requirement for the whole roster.

[bleak bison]

I can agree the diet system needs to change somehow

Also it needs to be less punishing when you don’t have your diet

[scarlet nova]

I think diet punishments are fine where they are. I am more concerned with the reward factor.
I am unaware if it was changed as of late, but I am sure the reward for following the diets should be improved.

The mechanic is cool, makes sense that you'd get long term debuffs from not eating the foods that are suppose to be giving you the nessassary nutrients to live.
But it isn't very rewarding last I checked.

[last lily]

I too dislike carnivals.

[bleak bison]

It’s not very rewarding now. But I’d say reduce the punishment for not eating your diet. hours of your gameplay shouldn’t be added on because you can’t find your preferred diet. That’s just not fun. I think if you don’t eat your diets you should grow at normal speed but if you do eat your diets you can cut your grown time more so than now

[scarlet nova]

Fair enough. I personally like the challenge and urgency.
Besides, the likely good of not finding at least one animal on any of the diet lists is difficult to do. Unless you're looking in the wrong spots or everything in the area happens to be too big to take down.

[limber hull]

cerato the carno killer

stooop

[urban flax]

People really think cerato is actually rex

[limber hull]

please fucking stop

[urban flax]

I'll be happy is cerato just stands a chance against carno

[limber hull]

its not going to kill carno

its not going to even hunt carno

any carno that wants to live a cerato probably can unless it's genuinely dumb

carnos could probably end up hunting cerato more frequently

you aren't getting a huge monster to stand up to the mighty carno

you're getting a moderately sized scavenger bastard that's tough for its size, but still smaller than carno

[manic flint]

They should go even, slight cerato favour maybe, since cera has the forest and water to escape with, and carno can just run

It should probably be 50/50
With cerato being more defensive

Corpse gaurding and all

[lapis swallow]

Cera should be able to steal a corpse from a carno

[uneven mist]

@urban bear «carno shoudn’t go toe to toe agains a cera» if that ever happened then we would have the carno problem again but with cera, none of there animals should straight up win all the time, cera should jace the advantage in the jungle and carno has it in the plains.

You’re also describing something that isn’t cera at all

[barren zephyr]

Eh. Not really

[uneven mist]

The only difference would be that cera wont be fast

[barren zephyr]

Exactly. That is the vocal point.

Unlike a Carno it quite literally cannot chase everything down ez pz

[uneven mist]

I just dont want cera to be able to compleately destroy a carno

[barren zephyr]

Neither do I

Make it be like Teno vs Carno.

If both parties play their creature right and how they are supposed to, Cera should still hold the slight advantage

[uneven mist]

Yes

Cera should be able to defend itself and carno needs to play carefully atleast

[lapis swallow]

If the fight is not stationary the carno should have a slight edge and a cera in a stationary fight (so if they are fighting over a corpse)

[uneven mist]

Yeah, i Also like the idea that the carno has the advantage innsyn open plain while cera has the advantage in the dense jungle

But cera should have the slight advantage when stationary Even in the plains but it should do it better in the jungle

[lapis swallow]

I agree because the carnos cant dodge that well in the jungle

[uneven mist]

The jungle should be Ceras terretory where it performes best while the plains is carnos terretory

Thats all i want

[lapis swallow]

But they have to make jungles actually a viable territory option. And the jungle clearings should be the main source of food for the herbis so the carnis have a chance to ambush them while eating

[uneven mist]

Yeah, jace needs to put some love into the jungles

Like spero jungle biomes i would love

[lapis swallow]

Cera is gonna be a nest raider because many nests are gonna be in the jungle

[lapis swallow]

What are spero jungles?

[uneven mist]

Spero was a map we were supposed to get but it was too big for ue4(most likely bc it had 3 big Island and 5 smal ones )

[lapis swallow]

Oh

[uneven mist]

Let me find some screenshots

[lapis swallow]

Bruh imagine crossing the island rivers with crocs roaming

[uneven mist]

There were more but i couldn’t find them

[lapis swallow]

These would look awesome

[uneven mist]

Yeah i hope UE5 can handle spero

[uneven mist]

Oh Yeah, here is spero

[lapis swallow]

There have to be like tunnels underwater or bridges, you cant expect a player to cross those waters

[uneven mist]

There were supposed to ne a tie system for the water (we would most likely get it in u8)

[lapis swallow]

A what system? Explain

[uneven mist]

The water would rise and sink, so that dinos could get over to those Islands. And in u8 we will get a drought system and a flood system

[lapis swallow]

Nice

And it will fuck up crocs if they camp river if there are only water puddles for them

And you can scare them away from the puddles if you are a strong dino

[uneven mist]

Kinda and buff them bc they need to drink from water that could have a deino in there

[random night]

@sick dirge Why are you against this

[urban bear]

I’m saying carno should not be able to kill a cerato how am I not describing something cera isn’t lol

[uneven mist]

Why shouldnt carno go toe to toe against a cera?

[urban bear]

Cerato has a much larger bite force and It’s more built to fight, carno is an ambush hunter that should be running down small to medium animals

[urban bear]

Do you know stupid it would be to have the fastest animal in the game be able to brawl with a slower mid tier predator

[sick dirge]

what niche would either of these creatures serve that would set them apart from the rest of the roster?

[random night]

Cryolophosaurus is fast and strong which can deal with some pretty annoying dinosaurs and Nyctosaurus can be a rivalry

[uneven mist]

It should be like teno vs carno. Cera has the advantage and is able to defend itself if its stationary and if the carno rams the cera then carno has the advantage

[random night]

Nyctosaurus can make it harder for the ptera to survive

[sick dirge]

how

ptera would easily one shot a nycto with it's current damage

[uneven mist]

We dont know if it has a better bite force (irl it had a weak bite force)

[urban bear]

Cerato is more heavily muscled then a teno by far, a Cerato will be slower but probably a good bit stronger then a teno. You can compare the tenonto to the Cerato lol

[urban bear]

The isle isn’t real life and in the isle Cerato is planned to have a high bite force to give it an edge

[uneven mist]

Cera would weigh 1.1-1.4 tons while teno weights 1.6 tons and carno 1.8

[sick dirge]

cryo is very similar in size to our utah, nycto is just a worse ptera

[random night]

No

[urban bear]

This isn’t legacy weight doesn’t equal power, animals have their special abilities

[uneven mist]

Have the devs confirmed that it wil?

[uneven mist]

Weight = Health in evrima

[urban bear]

Yes, if you have seen anything in isle discussion it will have a large bite force

[sick dirge]

are you going to explain why I'm wrong?

[urban bear]

Health doesn’t matter when the animal ur fighter is more agile and does more damage

Cerato will probably be able to go bite for bite with a carno and win

[random night]

Yes Cryo is bigger and much stronger then the utah

Its like a smaller carno but with better turn

[uneven mist]

Haven’t seen any dev confirm this and i would like to see the prof

[sick dirge]

what ability would it have to set it apart from utah?

[random night]

Well first it can't pounce and it could probably me able to scratch something with its massive claws just like in PoT

[urban bear]

I don’t take screen shots of everything the devs have said but Cerato is going to have some type of ability that has to do with a high bite force, or something to do with biting and holding on look at the Cerato teaser video

Kissen also showed a gif concerting Cerato a ability

[sick dirge]

and what's stopping two utahs from pouncing it once and killing it

[random night]

Its speed

Its agility

[uneven mist]

Ok this is my plan wich is more balanced, make cera have the advantage in the jungle while carno has it in the plains, ofc they can make cera be able to defend itself in the plains but it would do it better in the jungle

[sick dirge]

it can't be both more agile and faster than a utah, you'd need to pick one

[random night]

Well with a sharper turn it can be and it can be fast so

[urban bear]

That won’t do much considering that most of the people playing the game stick to the plaines

[sick dirge]

the point is that that's not good for balance, it can either be faster or more agile

[uneven mist]

Yeah a consept, it dosent mean that it wil come and that cera is too large or the stego is too little

[urban bear]

A carno should have a small chance of killing a Cerato one on one no matter the environment

[uneven mist]

Still, its better than cera dogpiling a carno no matter what

[urban bear]

Cera is getting upsized from legacy, and from the videos and what the devs have been saying that concept probably holds some legitimacy

[icy lion]

There's been no word on that. And Kissen's post explicitly stated that it was purely conceptual

[uneven mist]

Downsized*

[icy lion]

No word on that either

[random night]

Utah and cryo are probably around the same speed leaving the cryo to be more agile in the game

[urban bear]

I said that Kissens post was purely conceptual, I just mentioned that from videos we have seen it seems like it’s going to be fairly close

[urban bear]

I’ve seen devs say it in an isle news video

[icy lion]

Nothing even remotely similar was in the teaser video, if that's what you're referring to

[icy lion]

Would you be able to show me? Or give me some keywords so I can search for their posts?

[uneven mist]

They shouldn’t make cera win every encounter agains a carno nor Even carno winning every encounter agains a cera, they should make it balanced for both animals not just for one

[sick dirge]

honestly we don't need more playabes in the roster, we're already so oversaturated with future playables and adding these two would only delay the production of playables that are already planned; cryo and nycto simply don't offer enough difference in playstyle to support adding

[urban bear]

How is is not remotely similar, it gets some type of ability from eating a corpse and then gets some kind of bite ability that will do some major damage, it’s been confined for what I just said to be fairly close to what It’s going to be, just because kissens post was purely conceptual doesn’t mean it won’t function similar

[uneven mist]

I dont want ceratorex back, it was unbalanced as hell

[urban bear]

Nobody wants Ceratosaurs rex back but nobody currently wants carno running the show

[uneven mist]

So they should make it balanced for both parties not just cera

[urban bear]

Nobody wants the strongest land dinosaur on the island to be faster then everything

Yeah they can balance it for carno, it’s called using ur speed to run away

[uneven mist]

Therefore make cera be able to defend itself

Like teno

[urban bear]

Cerato shouldn’t be put in the same position as teno, it’s going to be a a mid tier carni and will directly compete with carno, it needs to be more powerful then tenonto

[uneven mist]

But if a carno rams it then carno has the advantage

[urban bear]

Yes and the only way it’s doing that is by being an ambush predator like it’s suppose to be

In a straight up fight Cerato should win unless the Cerato does something seriously wrong

[uneven mist]

Cera should be a good defender, not an offensive carnivore

[uneven mist]

*have the advantage

[urban bear]

No it should win if it doesn’t do anything wrong

[uneven mist]

Because if it wil compleately destroy a carno then everyeone would pick cera because its stronger and better

[uneven mist]

Thats unbalanced as hell

[urban bear]

Cerato is not some slow deffensive tank, it’s still decently quick and won’t just be playing defence the whole time

[uneven mist]

Should be a good defender when a carno rolls up to it

[urban bear]

Not really, Cerato is a much more well rounded and versatile animal then carno and should win unless carno gets the jump on it

[urban bear]

If anything carno is going to be using it’s speed to defend

[uneven mist]

Like i said make it like teno vs carno where teno has the advantage but it can still die if it dosen’t play carefully enought

[urban bear]

That’s a good point but overall Cerato is probably going to be stronger if not close to a teno, and carno already struggles to deal with a tenonto, so you can imagine how it would do against a teno that has teeth and an as speculated by the community and confirmed by Filipe to be fairly close “infectious bite”

[lapis swallow]

Bruh, its making the cera overpowered

[uneven mist]

Infectious bite

[urban bear]

It’s really not, carno isn’t built to be a brawler

[lapis swallow]

But you cant let the cera win every time

[urban bear]

Eating from body’s will give you some kind of biting ability as seen in the Cerato teaser

[lapis swallow]

the cera is not that much stronger

[urban bear]

No you can’t which is why if carno get a good ambush it should have a good chance at winning

[uneven mist]

Just make it so that cera has the advantage in the jungle while carno has it in the plains, ofc cera could still defend itself in the plains but it would do it better in the jungle

[lapis swallow]

i think the cera and carno should be a 50/50 matchup where the cera has the stronger base stats but only a bit and the carno is faster

[uneven mist]

55/45 to cera

Bc it cant run from a carno

[urban bear]

Cerato should be able to fight carno any where anytime

[uneven mist]

But have the advantage in the jungle bc thats its home terretory

[urban bear]

So you want to make Cerato weaker then something it can’t run from? Makes sense

[urban bear]

Where are u getting that jungle is it’s home territory

[lapis swallow]

this is why it should stay in the jungles just as crocs stay in the rivers and swampd where they have the edge

[uneven mist]

Ive said cera should have the advantage, not carno💀

[urban bear]

55/45 to cera makes it sound like u have carno over it 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

[uneven mist]

Ok then 60/40 happy?

[urban bear]

Better

[lapis swallow]

Its logic, the cera isnt fast enough to compete with the carno on the plains so it needs to stay in the jungle

[urban bear]

It can compete with carno fine in the plaines, just because carno is fast doesn’t mean everything, it still has to fight with Cerato over kills and other things

[lapis swallow]

to ambush the dinos that are near the jungle and with the nesting update a lot more will be going on in the jungle

[urban bear]

It can’t just avoid it if Cerato wants to stay in the area

[urban bear]

I agree with you, nesting will drive all the Dino’s more into the jungle to safely hide their nest, but we won’t really know till it’s out

[urban flax]

Cera should win against carno by forcing it to go away, not by killing it

[uneven mist]

^

[urban bear]

We’re talking about current isle with current hot spots

[lapis swallow]

this is why it should have an unfavorable matchup in an open field against a carno and a favorable matchup in the jungle so they stay in their territorys

[urban bear]

Yes, and that is most likely what will happen cuz carno is just gonna use it’s speed and run

[lapis swallow]

or that

[urban flax]

If anything, I would give cera monstrous healing and bleed regen, so if a carno and a cera fight, cera gets down to 10% health and carno down to 30%, the cera has actually won because it's gonna heal much faster than carno

[urban bear]

There has been nothing said about Cerato sticking to jungle, we can only speculate right now

[lapis swallow]

i would hope it did

[uneven mist]

Yeah, brawlers should heal faster while ambush hunter should heal slower

[lapis swallow]

so we have actual territories

[urban bear]

Cerato should win in a straight up 1v1 fight unless it gets ambushed by a carno charge

[uneven mist]

It should have the advantage not straight up win

[lapis swallow]

just like the carno has a favorabel against teno but doesnt win everytime

[uneven mist]

Its teno that has the advantage, but it still needs to play carefully

[lapis swallow]

sorry im new

didnt play teno or carno

[uneven mist]

Its aight

We all learn something new everyday

[maiden anvil]

To me it’s obvious that cerato should be able recover extremely good

[lapis swallow]

Yes, in order for it to fight for a body and then being actually able to defend it.

[uneven mist]

Brawlers should heal and recover fast while ambushers shouldn’t

[maiden anvil]

Yeah you guys get my point

[maiden anvil]

I’m surprised I didn’t get dislikes. Obviously, my suggestion didn’t go well either but definitely not terrible

[uneven mist]

I mean its a good suggestion the problem is How wil they pull it of

[burnt bone]

yeah, could be pretty fun, the only issue is when you hear it before the chase happens or not hearing it during the chase

[maiden anvil]

Yeah I thought that would be the problem. I even said that in the suggestion lol

[burnt bone]

plus, i believe they already plan to add more types of music too, they said this was just their first iteration of it.

[maiden anvil]

That’s really cool actually

@hasty hatch I’m not saying no to that being a server option but at the same time global chat was a big issue to why people was mixpacking so idk

[lapis swallow]

but they still do it

[stray plover]

based opinions here i see

Cera should be able to fend off a carno

1v1

[hasty hatch]

I preferred mixpacking to the new Species Segregation Simulator

[urban flax]

@barren zephyr I thought you've already been explained that adding random dinos for the sake of adding random dinos is not a good idea
As for "why not ?", here's why not :
It provides nothing to the game
It just adds up to the already bloated list of carnivorous theropods
It's a waste of money and development time

[tepid gate]

Idk where you're getting the idea of Cerato being a mid tier from - Dondi specifically referred to it as a "small carnivore" on the old roadmap. Cerato isn't a big animal. If you want a larger predator than Carno, then ask the devs to finally add Allosaurus, Albertosaurus or Suchomimus instead of asking them to turn Ceratosaurus into a discount Alberto.

@barren zephyr That Allosaurus on your picture is not the biggest Allosaurus we have so no, Sucho shouldn't be that big in comparison to Allo.

[urban bear]

It still doesn't change the fact that the current roster is fucked, its an unbalanced mess and cerato seems to be the upcoming mid tier and it needs to be strong

[tepid gate]

Idk if it seems to be the upcoming mid tier, Cerato isn't and wasn't meant to be a mid tier but I think it could still have a decent fight against Carno due to any special ability it might be getting

but purely stat-wise? It's a smaller animal and it shouldn't be trying to left click Carno to death

as in - it probably could but it would have to be outmaneuvering Carno

avoiding its bite while landing its own

and yea the roster is just a complete joke in Evrima

lets have a bunch of small animals and then put a specialised small game hunter as the largest terrestrial predator what could possibly go wrong?

[burnt bone]

Don’t forget that the largest predator is also faster than everything else in the game

[tepid gate]

Well yes, that's part of the "specialised small game hunter"

the roster is just really poorly thought through

I think that this idea that we should only have small animals in the game until that's no longer a thing and we get Stego and Deino is just really misguided and causes a lot of trouble

and will cause even more trouble in the future

Carno should've been added after we'd have at least some 20+ animals

of every size

it would be just fine then because it would be good at hunting just a part of the roster rather than almost all of it

while also being at risk of being predated upon by larger animals like Allo and the apexes

[barren zephyr]

I have another take

I think bite/alt bite needs to be reworked

[stray plover]

I think Cerato is gonna be a mid tier not a small tier

I think ur underestimating cerato im sure he will be able to take on carno just fine 50/50 fight

I think thats there intention as we saw in the trailer

I even asked punch if Cerato will be able to fight carno and he said yes

@tepid gate

[random sail]

@urban flax you can actually still catch them with the HUD turned off, just left click aka attack when you are above a water ripple and there is a good chance you will catch it. However I know what you mean since this is not exactly using the mechanic fully.

[urban flax]

Yeah I know

But I don't like being prevented from using the mechanic just because I don't like having text appear in front of my eyes when I'm trying to fish

And it's the only special interaction in the game that you can't guess when you can do it

[lapis swallow]

but then the beak of pter should like make a special movement as an indikator there is a fish

[urban flax]

Yeah for example
Or there could be water splashes

[tepid gate]

That's not what Dondi said

He literally described the intended sizes of all the animals in the game, Ceratosaurus was supposed to be a small, very likely the biggest of the small carnivores but a small nevertheless.

And tbh Cerato might be able to fight Carno even if it's a small, it all depends on what stats and abilities it is given

[tepid gate]

That doesn't say much though, almost every animal can fight a Carno. Hell I've seen Utahs solo Carnos at times(very rarely) that doesn't mean it's not a fight in favour of Carno.

[lapis swallow]

it will be small cerato was as long as a utah but more massive

[tepid gate]

nah, Cerato is longer than a Utah

and idk if I'd say that it was more massive than a Utah

Cerato in general is not a very massive animal, neither in TI nor in reality

[high nymph]

Somewhere around 1.3 tons right?

[tepid gate]

No, Cerato is almost 1.1t in reality

in Legacy it is larger simply because it's oversized

like quite significantly oversized

what I mean when I say that it is not massive is that it's a very gracile animal

even an upsized Ceratosaurus isn't quite as heavy as one would expect

it's lighter than Allo or Carno at length parity

Carno is paradoxically the most massive and robust out of the three(unlike what people screeching about it being a "cheetah" or "lightly built" say)

at length parity with Allo it's actually a couple of hundred kg heavier than it

[high nymph]

Seems kinda small. I sure hope they balance it into the game correctly, even if that means upsizing it

[tepid gate]

I disagree with upsizing it, I think it should just be given other abilities, some very much related to its size. Ceratosaurus is just about the largest theropod that could feasibly jump. I'd very much like it to be an ATV of dinosaurs, capable of following you until the end of the world. Fast trot, good stamina regen, decent speed, amazing turn rate, pretty good biteforce, jump and a great swimming speed.

It would hunt small animals in a way completely different than Carno and one that isn't really present in the game so far.

And obviously - it would have the best tracking in the game

[high nymph]

As long as it isn’t a free meal for carno like pretty much 80% of the roster is right now. Because then this game is beyond repair

[tepid gate]

80% of the roster isn't a free meal for Carno. Only Pachy might be

I have 0 issues escaping a Carno as a Utah

and I have won every fight against Carno as a Tenonto 1v1 so far, I've only died when I encountered more than 1 Carno at once

but yea Carnos shouldn't be packing up like they are allowed to right now

[high nymph]

Since you are in forums a lot i don’t think you classify as a regular Utah player and have quite some skill with it

[tepid gate]

they are pure cancer when their numbers rise up

I mean, I don't play Utat that much tbh

Hell I haven't even played the game at all in the last ~4 weeks or so

I don't have access to my PC atm

but prior to that I could basically escape Carno every time unless I tried to kill it

I've died to Carnos every time I tried to fight them as a Utah

but whenever I decided to just escape I didn't have any issues getting away from Carnos

I used to play Utah a tonne prior to the release of update 2

it was completely broken at the time though

well it still is but in a different way now

back then it was broken because it was way too good, now it is broken because its pounce works only half the time

[high nymph]

It moved to different ends of the scale

Played Utah a lot before pachy got implemented

[tepid gate]

well really when something is "broken" it technically just means that it doesn't work as intended in some way. Back then it didn't work as intended because it was soloing a Tenonto with ease by just biting it to death

now it is broken because of the pounce

[high nymph]

Yep

[tepid gate]

tbh I have to say - I did found Utah more interesting to play at the time than I do now

[high nymph]

Pounce fix is all Utah needs rn imo

[tepid gate]

I'd honestly hope that Cerato brings some of that gameplay back

just a fast, maneuverable animal that in a confrontation tries to weave in and out of a fight, landing its own attacks while avoiding its enemies attacks

[high nymph]

I remember U2, where I had big issues playing as teno. The lag was just too much too handle and landing an attack on a Utah that was moving at the speed of light and teleporting was just impossible

[tepid gate]

It was even worse prior to U1

the teleportahs just ruled the island

[stray plover]

Idk Cera looks decently sized in the trailer

[tepid gate]

In the trailer it's the same size as in legacy, they haven't settled on its size yet last I've heard

[limber hull]

it very much could end up being small

[stray plover]

That would be disappointing

[limber hull]

why?

it doesn't need to be big lmao

[urban flax]

But muh ceratorex
Who's gonna kill carnos ?

[limber hull]

not cerato lmao

[urban flax]

The ecosystem needs something that is both stronger and faster than carno in order to prevent carno overpopulation

[limber hull]

obviously

less carno = better

having a creature that is inherently better than carno will have no negative repercussions

[stray plover]

Im not saying it make it ceratorex keep it legacy size

Theres no need to make it smaller

Especially if its gonna be bullying carnos off of kills

[limber hull]

dont make it legacy size lmaooo

[stray plover]

Legacy size is absolutely fine

And more than fair

[limber hull]

its quite literally 2'250kg in legacy

[stray plover]

I meant the model

[limber hull]

and bigger than carno

[stray plover]

Not the the actual stats

[limber hull]

absolutely does not need to be that large

[stray plover]

Carno is also smaller than in legacy it was 2,170kg in legacy

[limber hull]

it was smaller than cera in legacy

[stray plover]

Yes im aware

[limber hull]

(which is dumb)

[stray plover]

I think it was balanced

Carno still had a big advantage

If carno is 1,800kg in evrima Cerato should be anywhere between 1,400-1,600kg

[limber hull]

egh, no

why does it need to be that large?

what does that achieve?

[stray plover]

Its smaller than carno…

Why would you make it even smaller

It drop like a fly of you were to make it any smaller

[limber hull]

i love how people assume bigger = better lmao

[stray plover]

Because it would have less health less speed what else less Damage?

Give it some saving grace

[limber hull]

yes, as we all know, smaller animals are always slower than bigger animals

[stray plover]

Ur implying that cera is gonna be faster than carno?

[limber hull]

no?..

wtf made you think that

[stray plover]

Okay I thought you were being sarcastic

Tell me what stats you should feel make sense

[limber hull]

very good turn-rate
good swim speed
good trot-speed
moderate sprint speed
decent stamina
around 1100-1300kg
good biteforce (for size)
25%-50% bleed resist

i know nothing about its special ability so

[lapis swallow]

i had a dude there yesterday that suggested that cera should always win a fight against carno lol

[uneven mist]

Yeah, remember that

[limber hull]

thats dumb as fuck lmao

[lapis swallow]

Cera is gonna be ruling the jungles for a while i think

because the three main carnis have different territories

the carno rules the plains because of its speed

the utah is both fast and agile enough to both hunt well in the jungle and the plains

but its not strong enough to claim a terrritory for itself when they are outmatched by the current apexes (no like real apexes but stronger Carnivors)

[tepid gate]

I wouldn't be too sure about that, I'd need to check them side by side in legacy to tell which one was larger. Iirc they were about the same size.

Cerato had 2250kg weight slapped onto it

but I honestly don't think it would weigh that much based on its model size

as I said before - Ceratosaurus weighs less than Allosaurus or Carnotaurus at length parity

[barren crater]

cera needed to be larger due to legacys dumb damage / weight system tbf

[tepid gate]

Nah, Cerato didn't need to be large, it's just how it was done by Dondi during the rework

[stray plover]

Sounds good if it has all those qualities im completely fine

[tepid gate]

not that it mattered since it turned it into the worst animal in the game anyways

[tepid gate]

It should have all of those

IMO it should be an endurance hunter with he best tracking in the game

fast trot speed, good stamina regen, decent running speed, fast in the water, capable of jumping

good damage output

[stray plover]

I swear if cera is only a scavenger

[tepid gate]

best relative bleed resistance in the game

It should be an absolute menace for Utahs and Dilos and other animals of that size

[stray plover]

Jumping cerato

[tepid gate]

I mean at 1100kg it's the largest theropod in the game that could realistically jump

[limber hull]

cera should be allowed to jump if teno can

[tepid gate]

if you make it larger it shouldn't be allowed to jump but at its realistic size it could do that

[stray plover]

Dude 100% one reason legacy was busted was because Cerato couldn’t even fend of dilos or utahs because they could tank a bite and run off bleed bleed you out

[limber hull]

it should be a little bully scavenger bastard

[limber hull]

legacy was busted for many reasons

[tepid gate]

Cerato was just poorly designed in legacy

[stray plover]

One of the big ones for me

[tepid gate]

atrocious ambush, awful bleed output, pathetic bleed resistance, meh bleed healing and moderate trot speed

• low stamina

a literal recipe for an atrocious animal

an eat all you want buffet for Carnos and Allos

the only things it had going for itself was the biteforce, turn rate and stam/health regen

[barren crater]

Also dilos tbf but yeah

[limber hull]

i really want cerato to be a really good defensive carnivore

[tepid gate]

You could actually survive a Dilo if you played it 100% efficiently

[limber hull]

because it'd be a nice take on the carni niche to be an interesting defensive animal rather than "charge and kill"

[tepid gate]

but yea I've killed a tonne of Ceratos as a Dilo, in one instance I've managed to 1v2 a pair of Ceratos

[tepid gate]

Idk about it being a defensive carnivore, that's what I'd like Sucho and maybe even Spino to be

they just walk up to a carcass, stand on top of it and say "mine"

using their size advantage to get people to back off from it

[limber hull]

fair, but cerato being highly opportunistic/defensive could be nice. It takes whatever it wants whenever it can

[tepid gate]

I'd want it to hunt by endurance hunting

Admittedly people hate legacy Giga for that

but that's exactly what I'd like Cerato to be

[limber hull]

i mean, if magy is more of an endurance runner, endurance cera could compensate well for that

[tepid gate]

just following its prey for a long time by predicting where it will go and trackng it

[barren crater]

Legacy giga was also immortal to the things it was trotting down so it could be fine for cerato

[tepid gate]

I mean I kind of want Cerato to be... well maybe not outright immortal to those things but let's just say that Dilo/Utah would fare very poorly in a fight against Cerato in my view

[barren crater]

Would cerato even be resistant to venom

[tepid gate]

Hmm Idk how venom is going to work but...

https://tenor.com/view/perhaps-perhaps-cow-cow-gif-24051768

[barren crater]

Although it could still defend well regardless

So maybe stop dilos from attacking

[tepid gate]

I'd want Cerato to outright hunt Dilos

[barren crater]

But once hit by it

[tepid gate]

and actively go after them

[barren crater]

I think that’s fine tbf

[limber hull]

if cera wants a body dilo has killed, cera should be allowed to take it lmao

[tepid gate]

That's the thing, what I'm saying is... "if cera wants dilo body it should be allowed to take it"

as in not the body in the possession of Dilo but Dilo's literal body

if it catches it then "requiescat in pace, Dilosaurus" it is

[dark dock]

What type of cera is it gonna be? the Ceratosaurus Dentisulcatus or Ceratosaurus Nasicornis?

Or other

[tepid gate]

Both are currently considered to be the same species. Dentisulcatus is simply fully mature unlike nasicornis.

It will be dentisulcatus in general because nasicornis is just outright tiny, Dilophosaurus would be larger than Cerato if the game went with nasicornis.

[stray plover]

Yes if a utah or dilo wants to mess with a cerato it should be able to rip them apart if they get to close but it should also be able to escape allos albertos etc. and be able to fight carno without getting rolled over

[stray plover]

"The oversized honey badger of the Isle. With an iron stomach, its able to dig into many putrid carcasses that might otherwise poison other carnivores. Even cannibalism isn’t far from the menu. A vicious bully with a vicious bite, but when it can’t chase its foe away, having a more hydrodynamic body than its peers can give it an edge to take the food and run."

[tepid gate]

just for the record, this is Krayt's size comparison between the legacy Cerato(which we could see on the teaser) and Carno as well as irl Cerato:

The blue is the real Ceraosaurus size, black is what it was in the legacy and yellow is of course Carno

Note that even the black Cerato is likely actually smaller than Carno

[stray plover]

Legacy Cerato size is completely fine

Its not unrealistic

[limber hull]

i mean... it is

[tepid gate]

it is, yea

It's not impossible but there's no indication that this animal got so large

[limber hull]

personally, i'm just not a fan of people assuming small = bad

[tepid gate]

"realistic - representing things in a way that is accurate and true to life"

8m long Cerato is not realistic no matter how you cut it

not that being this large helped it in legacy as it was still the beating boy for Carno and Allo

[limber hull]

you can design an animal to be threatening while not being large, literally just look at how U4 pachy was feared by carnos (yes, I am aware U4 balancing was a fucking nightmare but the point still stands). If the cerato's stats and special abilities are appropriately designed, it won't be "bad" due to a smaller stature

you can easily take the "smaller" cera and still make it something larger animals respect, much like the honey badger it's constantly compared to

[stray plover]

Yeah but that size is completely fine its still smaller than carno,allo and anything else

There have been larger cerato teeth discovered which may have indicated that they could have gotten larger

If you guys are complaining anout cerato being oversized look how much smaller tenonto is irl

[limber hull]

i personally see cera as an animal that other animals just never want to mess with, not out of "watch out, it's a cera" but more "do I REALLY want to deal with a cera?". Ceras should embody a big fucking nuisance animal that's as stubborn as it is persistent

i want other animals to simply not want to put up with cera's constant tomfuckery

[stray plover]

Same but i think the current model size is fine

[limber hull]

i really have been more leaning towards the 1100kg-1300kg area as of late, I just feel it fits the animal better. IDK, I dislike the idea of it being artificially larger just because

what

[uneven mist]

[limber hull]

what the fuck are you on about

[stray plover]

How mych health does utah have in evrima?

[tepid gate]

450

[stray plover]

Weight*

[tepid gate]

As for the larger Cerato due to teeth - not a thing, they don't hold up

[limber hull]

several dozen theropods
fine, decent, absolutely acceptable

seven distinct ceratopsians each in a different size range which barely impose on the niches of the other
literal sin, how fucking dare they, stupid game devs

[stray plover]

Why not?

[tepid gate]

there's around half a dozen of Cerato specimens which are reported to be larger than dentisulcatus, not a single one of them holds up

[stray plover]

Who says they couldn’t get a little larger?

[tepid gate]

No one, they could and probably did, the chance that we found the largest specimen of any dinosaur is borderline nonexistent

that doesn't mean that they were larger though

if there's no evidence for it - it doesn't exist

that's how science and palaeontology works

[stray plover]

Every year trex is getting heavier and larger

[tepid gate]

Yes but it's not so much that we're finding new specimens of T.rex it's just that the old one gets reviewed and changes in some way

most theropods got bigger not long ago

including Cerato

dentisulcatus used to be smaller than 1t until recently

iirc it was like 960kg

it's 1098kg now

[stray plover]

Show me a paper im curious

Every source is different

[tepid gate]

these aren't in the papers, scientific papers very rarely estimate sizes of those animals, that's typically done by people who study the bones at length

and even when they do they typically tend to oversize the animal

[stray plover]

Then where can i read how big it is where can i find this?

[tepid gate]

e.g. Ibrahim speaking about a 10t+ Spinosaurus

[tepid gate]

give me a sec

You could ask in paleotalk channel on this discord, there's a couple of very knowledgeable people there

especially RandomDinos knows a lot about it, he makes the skeletals for most animals

https://www.deviantart.com/drscotthartman

Dr. Scott Hartman is a very good source of the information about the sizes of dinosaurs

[stray plover]

I wanna know these half a dozen ceratos larger than denti

That dont hold up

[tepid gate]

the tooth is one of them

if you want you can ask about that on paleotalk

Randomdinos knows those specimens and he would explain it to you much better than I ever could

he was asked about it before so

[stray plover]

It says there not sure if its fully grown or not

So i think its fine imo to make it a little larger than the full skeletons we have

[tepid gate]

where does it say that?

#paleotalk message

[stray plover]

Why dont they hold up?

[limber hull]

gotta love the double self-upvote lmao

[barren zephyr]

stop bullying me 😢

[limber hull]

also idk why you want the dewlap removed, i think it looks really good on sucho

[barren zephyr]

i don't think it looks bad, but i would prefer to have it removed as it imo would make the sucho a lot more appealing and generally cooler to look at if that makes sense lol

[limber hull]

idk, i think the sucho would look weird without it. I personally find the example image you posted less appealing than the dewlap one

[barren zephyr]

welp ur allowed to have ur opinion

they could atleast make it an option to remove it when customizing the sucho but Idk

[stray plover]

Dewlap looks nice on all dinos

[burnt bone]

pachy?

[stray plover]

Ofcourse

[burnt bone]

id have to see it to believe it

[stray plover]

Im a fan of dulaps on some carnivores especially semi aquatics

[urban flax]

It's not a dewlap it's a throat pouch

[burnt bone]

i do like them on certain things, like Herrera

[urban flax]

Removing speculative soft tissue on dinos is just going the JW route

[tepid gate]

in general upon closer examination they end up being at most as big as the dentisulcatus specimen. I know that this was the case for the aforementioned tooth that was supposed to make Cerato larger - in the end it turned out it's not actually larger than the teeth of the already known specimen.

[burnt bone]

i think my favorite part of the cera discussion is that its in the weight class for pachy to knock over

[stray plover]

That would be depressing

We dont even know the stats we just have to wait and see

For all we know it could be 2000kg

[tepid gate]

It would be but that's more of an issue with how big animals Pachy can actually knock down.

Also - ewww at 2t Cerato

[tight oxide]

Still missing that old Giga model

[stray plover]

Watch it happen

[tight oxide]

modding moment

[tepid gate]

it's not going to happen

they'd have to make Ceratosaurus larger than it already was for it to reach 2t

[tepid gate]

^

[uneven mist]

@lapis swallow its confirmed that ovi wil do that

[lapis swallow]

I hate this game

Then unconfirm it

[urban flax]

We have absolutely no proof that Ovi didn't eat eggs
That's like saying REX DIDN'T EAT TRIKES cause we never found trike remains inside of a rex belly

[lapis swallow]

Let the small carnivores be able to steal eggs

Do oviraptor eat eggs?
The name "oviraptor" (egg snatcher) is a misnomer; their jaws are not useful for eating eggs, but for crushing very hard food. Oviraptorids were originally thought to eat eggs because a skeleton was found near a nest that was presumed to be that of the ubiquitous Protoceratops, a ceratopsian dinosaur.

I think that is proof

[urban flax]

Yes we all know that
But this proves nothing

Because we found a skeleton of oviraptor that was not stealing eggs, it proves that oviraptor never ate eggs ?

[lapis swallow]

The text said the jaws were not useful for eating eggs

[sick dirge]

That’s a single quote, not representative of all the research done, and it’s not even sourced

[urban flax]

I think eggs fall under the category of "very hard food"
And the game fictionalizes dinos anyway, oviraptor stealeing eggs is far from the worst

[lapis swallow]

Did they make a carno eat fish?

[sick dirge]

Does it matter?

At the end of the day, gameplay comes first. If oviraptor was just a normal omnivore, it would be nothing but a galli alt skin

[jagged jewel]

dude we know its just already planned for the game lol

plus being an omnivore im sure it wouldnt pass up an egg irl

a lot of the dinos in the isle arent realistic so why complain about ovi’s diet of all things

[urban flax]

Why would they ?

[stray plover]

Yeah but its not gonna be a small tier either

[tepid gate]

Maybe, Dondi called it a small tier, they might change their mind but the intention for it so far was to be a small carnivore

[stray plover]

How is that small tier? It’s clearly a mid tier

I dont take dev for there words they say stuff but change it up just look at the cerato video

[burnt bone]

Here’s a better idea, make cerato small enough to be knocked over by pachy

[tepid gate]

Alright here we go again - that Allo is massive in comparison to that Ceratosaurus

it's x1.5 times bigger if not twice bigger

[stray plover]

Yeah but its not a small tier

[uneven mist]

Why does it matter?

[stray plover]

Because its not a small tier

[uneven mist]

[stray plover]

It should be labeled mid

Its not in the same category as utah and dilo

[tepid gate]

Let me put it this way - Ceratosaurus is closer size-wise to Dilophosaurus than it is to Carnotaurus

[uneven mist]

Plus eaven if it is a small tier, does it matter?

[tepid gate]

The tiers don't even really exist per se, they are mainly used to just group up the animals, the real indication of their size is their weight

[burnt bone]

If pachy can bully a carno, then I believe cerato should be able to as well.

[random night]

@deep ibex Hatzegopterxz could also be an enemy for the quetz

[tight oxide]

Was so iconic...

[tight oxide]

Mind you pachy is kinda fodder rn

[stray plover]

Yeah Ceratos whole thing is that hes a bully lol

[silver zephyr]

Pachy shouldn't bully a carno, if alone it should dodge and attempt to discourage it from pursuing with fractures

[high nymph]

Folding the legs in half and then give it headstomps till it dies

That’s what I do

[silver zephyr]

you solo carnos?

[high nymph]

Running is for 🐈🐈

[high nymph]

Sadly no, no pachy can. We don’t have the stamina to get enough attacks in

[silver zephyr]

i mean, i dont think it should solo them