general-feedback-discussion

[bronze pike]

how would u kill a trike tho

[tight oxide]

or snipping a feathered dino of its fur to make a coat

[bronze pike]

we should prob go to #isle-discussion

[tight oxide]

gun, drive full speed at em

[bronze pike]

cars would already be very rare why break it

[tight oxide]

Dont think we need too since we talking about something that could be suggested for humans

[bronze pike]

yeah ig

[tight oxide]

||its an example||

[bronze pike]

oh alr

[tight oxide]

would be funni though to make a spear from theri too

[bronze pike]

I think some dinos would be gun resistant tho

[tight oxide]

dont think dinos would be gun resistant

you would die after some rounds of heavy fire

[bronze pike]

your gonna have to point your gun 90 degrees

[bronze pike]

only some like deino

[tight oxide]

deino would still die

[bronze pike]

the more armored ones

[tight oxide]

aim for the side of deino

it has more squishy there

[bronze pike]

the sides are still decently protected

and a gun to the side would hurt a deino but u would have to get a shot on a vital organ

[tight oxide]

look at an irl croc/gator

they can still die to biting animals

[bronze pike]

yeah

[tight oxide]

Deino best side to hit heavy fire is the side imo

[bronze pike]

but what is the scenario where a big enough deino is on land and not running to the water

[tight oxide]

plus doesnt help deino being taller since it makes its sides more exposed

[bronze pike]

I would think being a human is hard asf tho

[tight oxide]

The same deinos that are basking or trying to fight something on land

[bronze pike]

tbh deinos shouldnt even fight on land

[tight oxide]

plus if you are good enough you could shoot a deino at its belly if its lunging up into the air

[tight oxide]

yet the old rex mains are trying to turn deino into a rex

[bronze pike]

dumb deino mains will get shot tho

I wouldnt suggest taking down a large dino without decent aim and a lot of bullets

[tight oxide]

it doesnt even matter what scenario lmao

if you see a chance to shoot it

[bronze pike]

it kinda does

[tight oxide]

shoot it

I dont see the game saying haha cus deino can swim you cant bother to shoot it at all even if its on land

[bronze pike]

if its on land you can shoot it

[tight oxide]

Like if you are a utah and see a rex thats low then pounce it and end it or something

[bronze pike]

but how many bullets do you think a deino can take?

[tight oxide]

you shouldnt be restricted not too cus oh its a rare scenario

[tight oxide]

I dont know since full realism on bullets wont be the case

[bronze pike]

thats also why

just take a guess

[tight oxide]

I really dont know lmao maybe 10 range

if you are shooting the weak points

but the closest thing we know to how strong bullets will be is with one of the devs saying teno might just die to a head shot from a good gun soo...

[bronze pike]

thats a headshot

almost anything does

and thats with a good gun

[tight oxide]

but I mean if you just found a gun and are gonna use it

you are gonna wanna make sure you are ganrenteeing the kill

not risking to shoot the body or something

[bronze pike]

yeah

but tenos main defense is its backside so headshots on one would need to be stealthy

and humans are prob gonna be weak asf

one good kick or tail slam and your dead

[tight oxide]

didnt you play the testing branch?

[bronze pike]

no

[tight oxide]

humans get one shotted by teno kick or slam lol

[bronze pike]

I just said that

[tight oxide]

you said prob

[bronze pike]

yeah

[tight oxide]

im trying to say humans arent great hp wise

like already confirmed

[bronze pike]

yeah ofc they arent

[tight oxide]

even fresh spawn utah can bleed human out

makes sense but lmao

[bronze pike]

humans are gonna be like glass cannons 5% of the time

[limber hull]

5% lmao

[gaunt canopy]

That would be amazing

[tight oxide]

are you implying its more than that?

[limber hull]

no im just confused why 5%. What's the other 95%?

[tight oxide]

you trying to find said weapons

[topaz plaza]

@humble sleet personally I don't really see this too often. I think in my around 100h of evrima, i had it happen once and it was two adult tenos killing my juvi teno

But I do understand it is frustrating

I guess they should apply the sickness debuff when you strike another of the same species, rather then only when you eat them. maybe make the debuff more of a hassle than it is currently

but that would cause you to get sick by hitting your mates accidentaly too so mhm...

Hey maybe make it so doing a couple of threaten roars sort of "marks you for pvp", allowing you to attack without getting the debuff, hence warning others beforehand that you're aggresive

[humble sleet]

I can understand other players not having a similar experience, but the servers I frequent are often plagued with other players playing like this. I've encountered many of these players in forms of stegos, carnos, utahs, pachys, and deinos.

I know they had the idea to debuff those that ate their own species, but it doesnt do much for herbi's

[topaz plaza]

You can't complain about carnos and deinos. It's on their diet. they're meant to do that

[topaz plaza]

indeed

[thorn crater]

Debuffs for attacking your own species? Sounds like it would encourage you to team up with everyone and thus lead to megapacks
No thank you

[humble sleet]

I think the debuffs would need some sort of timer and/or something like a chain count before it activates

[topaz plaza]

A lot of people talk about this megapack shit but honestly I don't even see that shit at all either

what servers do you play on?

[thorn crater]

Officials always

[topaz plaza]

EU?

[thorn crater]

Lately Na but any of them works

[limber hull]

in legacy, there was utterly zero downside for cannibalising besides breaking one of the million community rules of the server you were on. Also, cannibalism is encouraged among some animals, so it's not entirely alien for them to actually do it

[humble sleet]

I had the idea of something like a scent marking for aggro players (soaked in blood sorta train of thought), but I do also like the idea of 3 calling and marking pvp or something

[limber hull]

no lmao

[topaz plaza]

This must be an NA thing tbh cause I never see "megapacks" in my games

[humble sleet]

I've never seen a megapack outside of legacy

[topaz plaza]

what's a megapack actually?

[limber hull]

pack, but mega

[topaz plaza]

Wait we're talking about legacy? bruh

[humble sleet]

a helluva lot of different species together

no no no

[thorn crater]

Megapacks would be any group of animals that go over the pack limit
3 or more deinos
4 or more carnos
Etc

[spark juniper]

Please fix the frames drop...

Can't enjoy the game rn

Attacking is horrendous. That should be #1 priority

[humble sleet]

Although it is frustrating with every species, my main issue is with canni stegos as they seem the most common choice for this sort of playstyle. It isn't part of their diet, and I don't mean when they duke it out over like food or territory or something. I mean a group of passive stegos getting attacked and killed by other stegos with no warning and for no reason.

[thorn crater]

Yeah that’s bad
Maybe if apex life was made more difficult they’d either just not ever reach adult or value their stego’s life more?

[limber hull]

those are probably people who hate stego going stego to purge them

[tawdry flame]

still ruins it for others. i have a full Steg on EU3 atm and i havnt loged in on that for weeks just because i dont want to loose it to 5 other stegs sitting in a bush somewhere just for shits and giggles

[humble sleet]

One of the stegos who refrained from attacking us in that instant claimed the attackers were simply bored, but that still doesn't mean it's right for them to ruin the game for the rest of us

[thorn crater]

I genuinely think this will only be not resolved but as close as we can once people start valuing their animal’s life more
Hard apex life, elders and perks could help

[tepid gate]

I do not know how you can somehow play Evrima and not run into a megapack. They are very common especially around the southern plains(Carno megapacks). The swamp very often has some mega-mix-herd/pack thing going on where I run into multiple Stegos/Tenontos/Carno/Pachy/Ptera/hells know what else all running around together.

[limber hull]

i mean... stegos are basically indestructible, so the only form of "challenge" they'll get is from stego lmao, and then there's the people who are spiteful at stego for being so strong and hunt them down as the one thing that can consistently kill a stego

[tepid gate]

It's probably the most problematic thing about the game right now aside from its poor optimisation(and followed by diets being just awful)

[tepid gate]

^

I do that with crocs - the only thing that kills them well is another croc so I play deino to kill deinos

I don't necessarily play any other animal just hunt my own species but Deino I play specifically to kill other Deinos

if I want to fight Carnos I play Teno or Utah

[humble sleet]

Well, like they said, deinos and carnos are understandable as they do have their own species in the diet.

[tepid gate]

if I want to fight teno or Utah I play Carno

[thorn crater]

Stegos being added ao early was such a bad idea they’re even a problem for themselves
Ironic

[tepid gate]

if I want to fight Stego? Well... I quit the game and rethink my life choices

[humble sleet]

As for megapacks, I didn't realize that was what that meant; I was under the impression it was a massive pack made of smaller packs of various species.

[limber hull]

carnos and deinos being cannibalistic makes perfect sense. Competent carnos can outright run away from anything that poses a threat to it, so another carno would hunt it, as it's the only animal that can keep chase. Deino can remain submerged and safe within the waters, with no threats, so deino hunts its own to keep them with a threat

As for stego, I guess the community just applied these rules to the one other animal which is the hardest to kill in the ecosystem

[tepid gate]

Megapack is just a pack that goes above the pack-limits e.g. 5-6 Carnos is a megapack, it can also be a mixpack where you have multiple different species

[dense palm]

I'm fine with the carno and deino cannibalizing, but deadass it's started happening MULTIPLE times where I hang out and socialize with stegos and we all have fun then when I'm sitting down they head shot me. Dying 20 times as a baby trying to grow your adult steg only to be shanked by someone you were hanging out with is horrendous

[thorn crater]

Multiple species working together would be a mixpack
(Mixherd if only herbies)

[tawdry flame]

the issue with that tho is (i think that from personal experience) ive never seen one canny stego alone the last few times i played. its allways big heards 3-7 players Stegs that just fuck with you just because you had the missfortune to walk into their sight line.
that shouldnt be an issue.

[humble sleet]

Ah, yeah, I vividly remember a pack in Legacy that had 20+ dinos ranging from theri's to trikes to compis

[tight oxide]

J u s t r e m o v e S t e g o
g g e z

[limber hull]

without apexes or animals like allo to pose a real threat to the adult stego, we end up with stegos not only becoming bored with how literally EVERYTHING is afraid of them, but they're so defensive that they need someone to either be a fucking pro stego-hunter or stupid to fight them. So they start fighting the one thing they can catch, which ironically, is them

[dense palm]

I love stego but they need to not be able to massacre all the herbies as they please

[thorn crater]

The best alternative would be to go back in time and just convince the devs to keep stego for later and add bary instead of deino as our first semi aquatic

[limber hull]

and i've heard people claim cera will be our solution to the stego problem

no

it won't

[humble sleet]

Stegosaurs are indestructable now because carnotaurs aren't the actual apex of the roster. Once spinosaurs and gigas are added in, they may not pose much of a challenge unless herded up. But, as I've said, you can't expect people to herd up if you have players that are going out of their way to kill their own species

[limber hull]

spinosaurs being stego hunters sounds silly to me lmao

[tight oxide]

If you wanna nerf stego without nerfing stego you could always ruin the game and buff utah

[dense palm]

I enjoy playing stego because of its indescribable nature, too. I get to walk around and protect babies and just experience everything. But the people who get bored and decide to kill everything need to go touch grass omg

Indestructible**

[thorn crater]

Yeah rex and giga will eat stegos
Stegos and spinos will yell at eachother and move away

[limber hull]

i think a spino will just get shit on until it leaves lmao

[tight oxide]

With our spino model I dont see it dying to stego when it could grab the tail and start biting ngl

[limber hull]

spino is more of a tank-brawler, and stego is a glass-cannon. Spino would have a big health pool but stego literally would not care because it has massive fucking spikes on its tail

[thorn crater]

Stego’s plates keeping it safe from the bites

[limber hull]

spinosaurus can eat fish. I see it more as big and territorial than some kind of bastardised hunter which is worse at doing so than rex and giga

[tight oxide]

use one arm to grab tail and the other to scratch the ribs

[dense palm]

All of this is kinda asides the point because we need an actual fix to the canni herbie problem, not "Oh when X gets added it'll--" I've seen pachies hunting other pachies, and tenos killing pachies, pachies killing tenos, and stegos, etc

[limber hull]

tenos killing pachies isn't a canni thing tho

that's cross-species combat

its not like herbivores are all buddy buddy irl

[dense palm]

I know, but it's still frustrating. I care more about the canni issue though

[thorn crater]

That’s when the stego deploys its wallowing animation and breaks the spino’s arms

[limber hull]

some herbivores will literally gank another just because

[tight oxide]

at least let me man deino have a tug of war mechanic against stego near water...

[tight oxide]

invalid spino weighs more and could just sit on stego ggez

[thorn crater]

Counterpoint
Spino is actually really light (it gets airtime when running) and thus gets rolled over by the stego

[tight oxide]

but fr only way to make stego balanced without making noticeable gameplay differences in current evrima imo is buffing utah which would ruin other dinosaurs or nerfing blood pool

unless increase swipe endlag or stamina cost?

[thorn crater]

Can’t decent utah packs already kill stegos most of the time?
If anything I’d nerf stego’s bleed pool

[tight oxide]

I mean thats what i just proposed in my list of possible stego changes

I prefer increasing swipe endlag or stamina cost tho

stego can kinda just mindlessly swipe out 1k dmg no problemo

[thorn crater]

How would that affect carno and deino matchups tho?
Carno has no right touching stegos and I don’t want to see deinos spamming alt bite and winning again

[limber hull]

endlag/stam doesn't change much with carno, since its still possible to one-tap to the head or two-tap to body

[tight oxide]

more endlag just helps in general since if stego misses you can bite it

it might make stegos just play smarter in general lol

[thorn crater]

I guess those could work then

[quaint ivy]

Stego just simply needs allos and dilos to counter them stego shouldn't be in the game right now as they ruin the eco system by killing all ai and hunting dinosaurs down like they're some kind of carnivore

[gaunt canopy]

Interesting thing about allo is that the main predator of stegosaurus was the allosaurus

[hoary dawn]

@humble sleet I always kill my own, doesn't matter if I'm hungry or not I always kill my own.

[nova anchor]

I always kill my own, doesn't matter if I'm hungry or not I always kill my own.

[quaint ivy]

That's kinda my point dude I spent many years studying and learning about paleontology and I get the game isn't trying to be perfectly accurate but a stego shouldn't be able to swing it's thagomizer around the way it does, and the fact a deino that has 2 tonnes of weight on the stego can't lunge and drown the stego is ridiculous in my opinion if a real deino bit does on a stegos head it would be light out for the stego

[lone mica]

@humble sleet i always kill my own

[quaint ivy]

Like look at real crocodiles the way the drag buffalo and other large herbs into the rivers by the leg or something they need to do something like that with the deino in game, like imagine being able to grav a stegos leg and pull it into the water where it can't swing that tail, make deino the ambush predator it should be

[stark dust]

tarbosaurus

[limber hull]

god damn the cringe "kill my own" copypasta is back

[gaunt canopy]

? Why they doing that it’s weird

[limber hull]

its a running joke/mindset thing? idk, its just what some people say as some edgy mantra for cannibalism lmao. I don't even hate cannibalism, I just hate the fucking edgy kids who spam the dumb kill my own thing lmao

[nova anchor]

I always kill my own, doesn't matter if I'm hungry or not I always kill my own.

[limber hull]

yea like that

[gaunt canopy]

Oh ok

[quaint ivy]

They must be extremely bored or have no life 😕

[heady harbor]

I noticed that
Lol that’s what I was thinking El Dee-ablo

[quaint ivy]

Click their profile and look at the about me part it says it all lmao

Just another 13 year old Internet warrior haha

[heady harbor]

Lmfao

[limber hull]

while i still don't agree with sponge's take, the kill my own kids are fucking cringe.

[lone mica]

yeahhh yeahhh

[sick pond]

idk I think you're missing the point of the joke

like imo I always like to kill my own even if im not that hungry

[lone mica]

yeah i mean tbh it doesn't really matter if im hungry

[hoary dawn]

I NEVER kill my own, not even when I am hungry I NEVER kill my own.

[nova anchor]

own killing is just the right thing to do

[limber hull]

just as bad as the other one

[lone mica]

🍿👊

[gaunt canopy]

🤨

[heady harbor]

Tbh
I dont even try killing my own kind, I like to vibe
Especially when you’re in a group, all of them gang up on you and you don’t get food in the end

[lone mica]

not even if you're hungry? pretty unbased

[sick pond]

you don't kill your group you kill your own theres a difference i think

[heady harbor]

Nah
Unless I’m dying of hunger

[hoary dawn]

the ins and outs of own killer society

[lone mica]

always kill your own no exceptions

[limber hull]

why? generally i find the pvp between two animals of the same kind to be the most boring lmao, i dont see why you'd bother unless they're fucking annoying or easy food

[sick pond]

sigma grindset????

[lone mica]

I always kill my own, doesn't matter if I'm hungry or not I always kill my own.

[limber hull]

i thought this joke died last year lmao, can't believe it's still going

[heady harbor]

I didn’t even know that existed until now

[hoary dawn]

as long as there are still owns to kill own killers will persevere

[gaunt canopy]

Cringe worthy quote dude

[heady harbor]

Fr

[sick pond]

you need to come up with something funnier but that might be difficult for most people on this server

[limber hull]

you know what? Fair point

[heady harbor]

Cause most of them have thicker skulls than a pachy

[manic flint]

its all true

[paper oriole]

Imagine making hunger drain connected to stamina when herbivore nutrients force you across the whole ass map. Imagine making hunger drain connected to stamina which would benefit AFKers and punish people who actually move around

[frozen heron]

@topaz plaza Very easy to abuse by afking

[topaz plaza]

How so

[frozen heron]

Well, you're basically saying that moving around should make your hunger drain faster

Eat, sit in a bush, afk, ez life

[topaz plaza]

And not grow

What are you even playing for then

[limber hull]

Imagine lowering the rate you hunger, then making hunger speed based on movement. Deino might as well never have to eat its entire growth. Carno on the other hand will probably starve within the hour

[frozen heron]

People afk because there's nothing to do besides brawl other juvies early on, they afk so its easier to get into the fun part of gameplay

[limber hull]

When we have animals with vastly different gameplay styles and ways of hunting/getting food, tying food to movement is horrible

Punishes some animals for simply having a certain lifestyle

[frozen heron]

It's not a bad suggestion imo, but it just wont work in-game compared to on paper

[topaz plaza]

Did yall even read what I wrote?

Firstly i said it comes coupled with a reduction in the baseline hunger drain. This is to obviously avoid problems like those. Yall just assumed the numbers wouldn't work when nobody talked about numbers. That's balance work

Also, again, if you're staying afk, you''d be malnourished, hence, with the current system we have where diets are tied to growth, you'd be growing at a snails pace

[limber hull]

“Reduction in baseline hunger drain”

So yea deino just doesn’t need to eat past one meal lmao

[topaz plaza]

also who said the fun part is being grown up. man being a young dinosaur is fun to me. growing is an essencial part of the game, its the hard part

[limber hull]

Also wouldn’t that mean you’d WANT to run around CONSTANTLY, otherwise you’d have too full a stomach and no more space for nutrients, doing the opposite of what you want?

[topaz plaza]

What I want?

I like playing the game actively. I'm talking giving players options. Increasing the variety of playestyles

[rare fractal]

That’s why we have multiple different dinos playable, for the playstyle variety

[limber hull]

Okay but then why do you want to give players the option to literally sit still and NOT play the game?

If you want an animal that moves less and drains hunger slower, don’t pick carno, pick deino

[rare fractal]

Basically^

[topaz plaza]

Bruh

[paper oriole]

Being a young carno might not be terrible, but being a young herbi is assgarbage because its just a run-in-a-triangle simulator at awful low speeds and dying to anything that sees you

[topaz plaza]

Yes I agree, the herbivore diets need to change drastically

[limber hull]

All this change really does is make deinos never ever starve and carnos remain around the same they already were

[rare fractal]

The game shouldn’t allow you to tailor the experience of every individual dino to be wildly different from what it generically is. The whole thing that separates the playables is their limitation balance and abilities, allowing players to augment or rebalance that would kinda be missing the point of having so many playable options in the game

Aside from that, this idea punishes you for running away from a predator

[paper oriole]

Your suggestion would make it so small to mid carnis only have to eat once from spawn-in and then afk to adult, as opposed to having to eat twice

Thats all it would do. Make them have an easier time sitting in a bush

[limber hull]

Juvi diets awful still hate

[rare fractal]

That and render any animal with low stam but decent regen dead in the water

[paper oriole]

If im getting punished for traveling by being forced to eat more, especially when my food is for some idiotic reason exclusive to a certain region, id rather just shut the game off or afk

[topaz plaza]

Man I'm just baffled how you don't get the part where if you don't move you won't be able to eat enough to grow. How's that not clear

[paper oriole]

What isnt clear to you is that carni juvis can eat ONE thing with minimal activity, then afk their way to adult with your idea

[limber hull]

I completely understand that part but it doesn’t change my opinion

[topaz plaza]

yknow what nvm i don't really care to argue with random internet people

[rare fractal]

That’s already a factor in the game, ironically your suggestion makes it easier to not move nearly as much as is currently required

[pure quiver]

I feel like having more people online would make the current build feel more balanced, with herbies fighting over the same foods, and then carnis hunting them down. But I felt that having herbivores share the same plants in their diets and fighting over the same resources felt more engaging to me, idk

[grim copper]

@pure quiver The problem with the second part of your suggestion is that it could hurt solo players. You mentioned that herd animals that choose to go alone would receive debuffs but they are already at a disadvantage by choosing to go alone.

[limber hull]

read stress system, immediately disappointed

[pure quiver]

I should specify because I did elude to it in my suggestion: If part of an active group, you receive debuff if apart from your active group. If not in a group and solo, no debuffs

[limber hull]

i truly believe that any stress debuff will ultimately fucking suck

[grim copper]

ok that makes it better

I think that the only debuffs we should get, if any should be for megapacking

[limber hull]

i think we shouldn't have any debuffs based on proximity to other players

it is always abusable and always unfun

[pure quiver]

Hopefully it'll be a system that can easily be tweaked to allow that too, and make it customizable for each custom server

Making it so you can switch off whole system if desired

[limber hull]

so... you could just make it an isle mod

if its meant for custom servers

[grim copper]

I'd rather have a very harsh system to prevent megapacking than have to deal with 12 carnos ruining a server

[limber hull]

i'd rather not have 12 carnos continue to ruin a server but now they can debuff me too

[pure quiver]

Not that I think it's meant for custom servers, just that you can choose to switch it off for chill or roleplay servers

Plus, having the stress system heavily affect megapacks would be great

[limber hull]

please god no stress system

its literally never fun and it always feels forced

[maiden anvil]

@limber hull could you explain why you left a ❌? I wanna know the reason why

[limber hull]

because it's entirely dependent on player population, which punishes people for picking their fave dino because other people are also playing it

its not fair to people who enjoy an animal to get less out of it due to popularity

[maiden anvil]

Well technically I didn’t want it to sound punishing for playing a certain animal. Just want it to be fun for other less enjoyable creatures. Plus some dinos doesn’t need to be more rewarded as they already are fun enough

[grim copper]

I don't like the stress system idea but maybe if too many players of the same kind are in one area, their hunger drain starts ramping up after a few minutes. So they either have to spread out or kill each other

[maiden anvil]

Might need to work on it more..

[limber hull]

i'd only apply that to megapacks, not mixpacks, but it's better than most since it does encourage players to keep moving, split up or fight to continue and survive

[pure quiver]

If it's subtle enough or you gain more advantages than disadvantages when you behave, it may change minds.

there was another suggestion I made a while back about allowing a "Difficulty Meter" for each server:
Easy = One Nutrient for perfect diet, no stress system, any custom colors for your dino skins.
Medium = two-three nutrients for perfect diet, anti-megapack stress system, Limited but diverse colors for dino skins.
Hard = Three + Nutrients, Full Stress System, only natural colors or default skins.

[limber hull]

what the fuck

[pure quiver]

I like that idea

[limber hull]

difficulty per server what

[maiden anvil]

I removed my suggestion cause I think I need to think it through a little more

[limber hull]

server difficulty absolutely should not be a thing

[pure quiver]

The idea was for admins to decide survival difficulty

[limber hull]

that's fucking ridiculous

[pure quiver]

that's your opinion and I respect that

[limber hull]

if you don't like the difficulty of survival, there's literally sandbox

[pure quiver]

I never said I didnt like it

[limber hull]

alright

[grim copper]

yeah I focused on megapacks, mixpacking sucks but it's easier to deal with by a few determined players while megapacks just ransack entire servers

[limber hull]

if a player doesn't like the difficulty of survival, there's literally sandbox

[pure quiver]

Cool. Like I said, it was just an idea

[limber hull]

It splits the playerbase further

Since you are expected of the game in many cases to commit to servers for an animal, as they are server locked, it would mean that we'd have less people per server, lots more servers and VERY little actually full servers

[pure quiver]

I mean, if anything, I could suggest to make survival harder. The three modes could be; Sanbox, Survival, then HARDCORE survival

[limber hull]

why not just sandbox, survival, whatever the fuck mods do

like if you wanna mod your server

and make hellfuck nightmare mode

so be it

[pure quiver]

I guess Mods is the way to go then?
I mean I thought the idea of choosing a difficulty would make the game more accessible? But if you think it would divide the player-base even further then I guess my idea is "fucking ridiculous"...

[low canopy]

you'd have to specify what this difficult includes,
reckon a feature to remove diets for example would be popular resulting in very few if any survival servers having diets

frankly we have so little info about the intended final product at this point that its difficult to come up with suggestions like this

[pure quiver]

I mean I could suggest the minimum diet rquirement could be 2 nutrients?

[pure quiver]

That's also true!

[low canopy]

diets will change a lot, thats for sure

[limber hull]

also why restrict colours for "difficulty"?

doesn't make much sense

[pure quiver]

It was just an idea.

Feel free to bounce off with ideas if you want

[limber hull]

just seems like even less reason to play hard servers tho

[pure quiver]

For the challenge

[limber hull]

if i can get cool apex consistently with fun colours, why would I ever touch hard mode where I cannot get cool apex consistently and have no fun colours

[pure quiver]

That's true

[limber hull]

like "hard mode" just seems like it's made to be less fun. You need to get more nutrients, you need to worry about some stress system, individuality is a lie

[pure quiver]

I mean I was just listing possible restrictions or abilities each server COULD have. If you have any suggestions I'm all ears

[limber hull]

i mean, i just want the game to play a set consistent way rather than worrying about the entire spectrum between hard survival and sandbox mode

like seriously, i still think sandbox mode is the thing you should have if you don't like nutrients or waiting to grow and whatnot]

[pure quiver]

I understand. "the simpler solution is usually the correct one"

Now as for Spawn-camping... any ideas?

[urban flax]

I just wrote one

[low canopy]

its a byproduct given to us by amazing regional spawn system

i would do some drastic changes to regional spawns that would help with grouping of diffferent species as well as helping people to get into their intended biomes for faster nutrients faster

[pure quiver]

I reckon that making characters that spawn in undetectable and invincible for 60 seconds is fair (Also unable to attack)

[urban flax]

This is precisely the example that I gave of what isn't fair

[pure quiver]

Being unable to attack or be spotted seemed pretty fair to me

[urban flax]

You can still move around follow people and ambush right from spawning
Also completely useless for people who take more than 60 seconds to load the map

[pure quiver]

True

[limber hull]

cant wait for spontaneously appearing carnos on my ass after tracking me in their invisible state

[pure quiver]

Well then...
Choosing an area and then clicking in to spawn sounds fantastic.
But maybe the game would benefit from a mix of both ideas?

Lets say you spawn in AFTER the map finishes loading automatically?
And maybe even have a "Spawning In" countdown too?

So...

• Choose an area
• Load the map
• Spawn in

[urban flax]

What if there's someone strolling at your spawnpoint right when the timer decides map has finished loading ?

[pure quiver]

That's also true. But it could be abused by people filling up a server to sit and do nothing before spawning...

[urban flax]

People are already filling up server slots without spawning

[pure quiver]

How?

[urban flax]

Pick a server and stay on selection screen

[pure quiver]

Anyway, I think maybe having a countdown for each menu that can be cancelled by going back or forward until spawn would be a good mix. So no one could just sit in a menu, it would boot them for inactivity after 3 minutes or so

[urban flax]

I'm not sure that's necessary
People taking server slot for nothing usually happens only when a new update or a stress test releases with very limited slots so they can save their own

[pure quiver]

That makes sense. Okay!

I'm sorry if I seem annoying, poking into questions that seem to be common knowledge or assumed sorted already.

[urban flax]

If people answer you it means they are willing to discuss

[pure quiver]

For the skin system I'm hoping we'll be able to save, name, and share custom skins we make! And maybe influencers n' stuff can have specially designed skins for their dinos. Kinda like how competitive players in shooter games have custom skins for their teams! Or as promotional material for the game! Jacksepticeye skin for his favorite dinosaur! or something like that

[limber hull]

do you know how the skin system works? because i dont think "specially designed skins" works well with the system we have

where each part is customisable

also idk how to feel about influencer-only skins

[mellow sphinx]

yeah no influencer only skins pls

[limber hull]

@violet magnet the devs have confirmed you will be fully allowed to mod those features back in

[barren zephyr]

@violet magnet general chat wont be in officials

[violet magnet]

"mod"
as opposed to making it easy and having it be a toggleable feature in the base game
(it was in the game at release, idk why it was removed entirely instead of just being made a toggleable feature then)

[limber hull]

hey man

im just echoing

[violet magnet]

i didn't say it had to be in officials, i said that if they didn't want it in official they could just disable it

[barren zephyr]

Context?

[tidal rose]

@pure quiver the herd stress thing is horrible... because I play stego solo, so I should be punished for that?

[pure quiver]

Not unless you're part of a group. If you're in a group and you stray away for a certain amount of time only then would you get a debuff.

So, solo dinos would be fine

[burnt bone]

@tidal rose if you enjoy that bone break sound, then I’d recommend pachy. Breaking some carno’s face, watching it contort and run off is amazing. Plus you get that blood on your skull to signify that you shouldn’t be messed with.

[pure quiver]

Also, yes, love the bone break sounds, although if they were a little more muffled as if breaking underneath the skin that'd sound better, imo at least

[tidal rose]

but why would i ever join a group if the moment the group disappears or people log off etc i get a debuff ?

whaaat

@burnt bone I love pachy, but right now herbivore diets are too much of a chore for me and I refuse to play them

[pure quiver]

Well if they log off you're not any less away from the group? There's just less members.

[burnt bone]

Plus, why force people to stay with a group? They normally do it for protection anyway

[tidal rose]

then if a dinosaur can be solo without getting debuffs.... why would they start getting debuffs when walking away from a group... also if size of the group doesnt matter

you are just punishing friends playing together

[burnt bone]

Well, say you are in a 3 man group and the other 2 leave, what now?

[pure quiver]

You're no longer in a group. by definition and game logic, you are solo again. no debuffs

[tidal rose]

No, but tell me. if a dinosaur is comfortable solo, why would it get stressed out if its too far from your group? it make no sense

[burnt bone]

I norm play on a server that grows everyone occasionally because of it. Then I just get 1 nutrient.

[coral yoke]

i wonder if its possible for diet requirements for carnis to alter based on server population

[burnt bone]

That could be interesting, if it is done right

[pure quiver]

well then it wouldn't be a herd-based herbivore

[coral yoke]

as in, if theres a shitload of tenos for example, 1 nutrient wil be tenos

[burnt bone]

So you mean every herbivore we have now?

[pure quiver]

I did say specifically "herd-based" herbivores. Ones that benefit from being in a herd

[pure quiver]

I was thinking more along the lines of Gali, Stego, and Trikes

[tidal rose]

okay? and what if I want to play solo gali? why would I be punished

its dumb I have 0 friends who play this game

[pure quiver]

But maybe some less defensible animals deserve a herd stat buff

[tidal rose]

why would I have to be locked out of dinosaurs

PLUS what if some one wants to play on an empty server? A mechanic that requires other people to be present is a bad mechanic

[pure quiver]

Well it's only active when part of a group

[burnt bone]

Here’s the issue with that, what if no one plays them because they don’t want to deal with those mechanics. Utah is suffering a bit from this already since they are balanced around packing

[pure quiver]

So I thought more so along the lines that certain dinosaurs would benefit from forming a herd and too many carnivores together would get debuffed

So no megapacking or mixpacking

[burnt bone]

Defense is a benefit enough

[tidal rose]

okay you are not listening @pure quiver If an animal ONLY gets debuffs when part of a group. Then that implies they are COMFORTABLE with being solo. THAT implies that it makes no sense that the moment you JOIN a group, your dinosaur suddenly stresses out form being slightly AWAY from the group, when it doesn't get debuffs when played SOLO.

Btw im not trying to sound like an asshole, im just tired of saying the same thing over and over since it doesn't seem like you understand what I mean

[pure quiver]

Well I never said they ONLY get debuffs. I said if they wonder off too far for too long a time they would get debuffed because they ARE more comfortable together.

[tidal rose]

Also exactly correct, utahs are balanced around pack mechanics and they end up being worse because of it

then say lose the buff?

they arent debuffed then, they simply lose the buff

[limber hull]

here's my concept

[pure quiver]

Right, I guess my wording was a bit confusing

[limber hull]

stop debuffing everyone for doing anything

im so sick of debuffs, sicknesses and weaknesses for everything

it isnt fun to constantly fear being weaker

[tidal rose]

plus its annoying to be balanced around other people being or not being around you

as some one who doesn't have friends who actively play id be constantly in the shitter, and i dont trust randoms

[pure quiver]

New Concept:
Herding gives a growing and healing buff. Herd with your species to gain advantage.

[burnt bone]

I just realized something, what if your packmates die

[burnt bone]

As I said before, defense is a good enough benefit. 3 Dino’s are like 5x better than one if they coordinate well

[pure quiver]

Well, if we are going by my last idea. Less members means less members. If you were closer to one but further from another that died, it wouldn't matter as long as you are in a group and within proximity.

Anyway, everyone has been talking about how my idea sucks and shouldn't exist so let's just forget it...

[brisk bridge]

Toggleable global chat and legacy group chat still not being a thing is stupid

It literally changes nothing. It’s just an inconvenience. People will just go on discord.

I personally prefer not using discord and I like the aspect that talking in global / group chat potentially reveals my location to others. It makes more sense, but I would rather just go and use discord only if the option for a decent group chat isn’t the game

Zero reason to force this much “realism” in a fucking video game

[heady harbor]

It’s a survival horror game
It’s supposed to be realistic
If you don’t like it go find another game

[stray holly]

@violet magnet what’s wrong with using discord?

[violet magnet]

nothing wrong with it and people have been using it for as long as i've been playing the game
just that without a way to communicate in-game, people will just use discord more and won't use the in-game chats. If you can't communicate with your pack in the actual game's chatbox then why bother with it?

[limber hull]

i mean

its not like you could read the group chat

literally was just a glorified discord chat

[violet magnet]

it was a private in-game chat where you could plan stuff and not have to worry about tabbing out to an external app and potentially miss something in-game in those seconds you were tabbed out. It was more convenient

[limber hull]

it was imho, the most worthless of the three

it literally only benefitted people who were plotting to cannibalise and no one else

[violet magnet]

and benefitted people who were planning hunts and coordinating a meet-up spot

[limber hull]

you could use local for hunts and discord to coordinate

[tidal rose]

The only thing I can complain about with the lack of in game chat is this. Often I meet a group of dinosaurs that I join who are on discord, I personally don't like talking to strangers on voice etc, so since they ar eall on voice they don't if ever really talk in the game chat, which makes coordinating with them real hard. Pretty much a nitpick though as technically I can simply join their call so its not really an issue

[limber hull]

i mean

would having global/group chats change their minds to NOT want to VC

i think not

[heady harbor]

No
VC is so much better than a chat

[tidal rose]

no lol, hence i said its a nitpick. It would maybe make chatting more common, but personally when given the chance between chatting and discord with my known friends ill always pick discord

[warm flame]

tough luck then I guess

[burnt bone]

I understand that they want the game to be horror survival, but not every server is going to be like that. Definitely keep it out of official servers, but there is no reason not to let unofficial toggle it. They already have a global chat system and most servers that would toggle it on already have global chat through discord. All this does is take out the 3rd party and put the chat in game, which makes it much easier.

[limber hull]

which is why it's going to be allowed to be modded in

[violet magnet]

which is unnecessary if it could just be included in the base game

it already was in the game upon release and was removed

[limber hull]

i dont see the issue personally. if people want global chat, they can put in global chat, no biggie

[burnt bone]

I understand that, but why not just let us have it now, not in like 2 years

[burnt bone]

People have been constantly asking, but the devs don’t listen.

[violet magnet]

tbh i don't see any reason for it to not be included other than devs RREEAAALLYYY wanting to tailor a specific experience to people and not letting private server owners deviate from it

[limber hull]

some people have been constantly asking for global not to return, and to our delight, they're listening

[burnt bone]

The devs should act a lot more like the ark devs with their community. Make the base game and allow servers to change it to their preferences

[limber hull]

personally, i hate that idea

and I would hate for these devs to be like the ARK devs

i've been on the game design team for a game that went off that premise, allowing server hosts a huge amount of creative control

it was one of the worst, most demoralising things ever. I hated it more than anything

watching people not even know what the fuck was a base feature, working hard on something for it to get fucking torn to shreds and slaughtered by some dude who had no idea what balance even meant and getting "feedback" that was 90% not at all relevant to the vanilla experience

i have twice the respect for Isle devs than I do for ARK devs or the kind of devs you are talking about, because the Isle devs actually stick to a fucking decision and don't cave in the moment one person starts complaining. I swear to God, having most of our decisions made by the server hosts whining loudly was the worst part of my old job

[stray holly]

Not much point in giving servers the ability to enable it now that they’re all dead

But if it was something that was already coded in and disabled I don’t see the big deal in allowing servers to re enable it

Unless they completely removed it from the code and would have to re add it again

[violet magnet]

they completely removed it

[stray holly]

I see. Well the global chat enthusiasts are fucked then it seems

[burnt bone]

I understand not allowing servers to basically remove or change features drastically, but allow us to make smaller tweaks. People want to be able to remove/change the skin system on their servers, and the devs seem to agree with it, so why not global chat?

If literally deleting an entire system is ok, then why not add a smaller one back. Especially when it is being used through third parties already

[stray holly]

Where is the information regarding them able to change/remove the skin system?

[barren crater]

They said you can customise in your server. Pretty much more limited than officials, or more varied depending on what you like

[stray holly]

I see.

[burnt bone]

I’d have to dig up the message later, but they said that they will likely allow servers to prohibit or allow more colors in the future, not on release tho

[barren crater]

#isle-discussion message

[stray holly]

Well, at the end of the day, the devs might have an anti global chat mindset. And there isn’t really much that can be done about that outside of modding the game like they’re allegedly going to allow.

[burnt bone]

Soon tm

[barren crater]

I get what rapdex is saying: why have one system completely removed which is different to the ‘official experience’, while having another one optional?

[burnt bone]

Exactly, I’m just honestly confused.

[barren crater]

Pretty much servers have all these options but one which they’ll need to mod in.

Odd but eh

[stray holly]

Some things about their whole process of developing this game don’t make sense unfortunately. Atleast to a person on the outside looking in. No idea why they haven’t made bug fixing/performance fixing a top priority when I think it’d be beneficial to do so.

When I say top priority, I mean the FIRST priority.

[barren crater]

I mean it’s an ongoing process. It’s not like they’re purposefully gimping out on that. It’s just hard when you’re also adding in a lot of new content. If you don’t add in content and just focus on one incomplete version, you’ll just be delayed

[stray holly]

I suppose you’re right. Just frustrating seeing the game go from a decent state to a less than optimal state with things breaking that shouldn’t be breaking in the first place, on top of the performance issues

[burnt bone]

The issue with bug fixing is you fix it one update, then it just pops back up later. Or you fix one big and cause a larger one somewhere else

That’s what happened update 3 where Dinos didn’t save

[violet magnet]

yes, when we get mod support in...2030

[distant storm]

Expanding from @grizzled notch

Allow servers to show how many of each species there is. As many players might complain there's too many carnos, but the largest population is actually deinos. Using the terminology that Window also suggested as:
Extinct (Not an option)
Rare
Sparse
Common
Abundant
Overpopulated

It would be listed when selecting your dino to play and would only represent dinosaurs currently active.

I do think this info would also help servers promote events or make packing adjustments for their rosters

[zealous violet]

I sincerely doubt we are ever going to get mod support in this game.
If we do, it'll be many, many many years from now.

[odd sedge]

The mother instinct buff could very well be abused

[manic flint]

There's no need for it
Mother's don't get stronger
Just more aggressive

[rare fractal]

@zealous violet Based af

[paper oriole]

Amarga woulda been better than magy (i still prefer baja though)

[gaunt canopy]

Magi looks discusting and doesn’t make sense why they would add it I’d rather have amarga it would fit a little better

[paper oriole]

Amargasaurus, shunosaurus, bajadasaurus, any of these three would have been a better pick

I wish we could see tapwing's badass designs for these two in game but instead we're getting google “dwarf sauropod” first search result

[gaunt canopy]

Agreed those are a lot better choices

[paper oriole]

why should the devs put development time in to a diving charge attack for an animal that isnt really supposed to hunt players

[zealous violet]

Whats Based mean?

[limber hull]

people be looking at seagulls and thinking they need an easier time hunting shit

[zealous violet]

Seagulls are so bloody easy to catch in real life XD

Its pretty ridiculous.

[manic flint]

The opposite of cringe, as I understand it

[zealous violet]

Ahh okie doke. thx

[rare fractal]

Yes

[rare fractal]

What Lvl said

[tidal rose]

@candid fiber so what you are saying is that... a diet which is already redious af and forced on you, should be even more punoshing by not letting you survive on junk food or on poorer diets... the fuck?

Why are people trying to make the diets even more punishing when they are already a major slog

[quaint ivy]

@stark dust they added splash sounds when falling into water in the last patch 🙂

[stark dust]

Oh….

Didn’t know that

[rare fractal]

It would be nice if the plash sounds for every dino weren't the same as splash sounds for deino biting at the surface of the water

[quaint ivy]

Yeah it was in the patch notes, they're kinda subtle though and very early implementation I believe they may get worked on and finessed

[stark dust]

...

I shouldnt have deleted it lol

@rare fractal same goes for every other dino on legacy

[rare fractal]

A few can change but generally the legacy calls are really really good

[stark dust]

they are

they already screwed up pachy big time

[rare fractal]

The big cooof

[paper oriole]

change rex call cough cough

[tight oxide]

change utah call to something original yet still makes you say oh shi- if you hear a bunch

[paper oriole]

the old utah call was nice, like the old old one

[tight oxide]

you mean like the skinny ass utah model?

[paper oriole]

yeah the one that the chicken utah used

[tight oxide]

I just want something new tbh

like something where its just a horrible sound to hear if you hear multiple, kinda like dilos one call where its fine to hear alone but multiple...

[heady harbor]

Dilo one calls are my all time favorite
It’s a heart-stopping song that makes me want to stop and appreciate them, but also freaks me out because oh crap these things are gonna find me soon

Troodons gonna be a second favorite
I would love to hear those things spamming 1 call in the night

[limber hull]

i personally think troo beats dilo for me

and i really love dilo's calls

[manic flint]

Troodon's calls are pretty cool

And if they want they can just imitate dilo's calls

[limber hull]

there's something so damn unique and haunting about the almost scream-like nature of the call. The 4 call is almost like a song and is now literally my fave 4 call of all damn time

[heady harbor]

Oh true
Tiny demon dilos lol

[manic flint]

One shot by teno's bite but little demons nonetheless

[heady harbor]

I forgot what the 4 call was gimmi a sec

[limber hull]

I don't think teno bite does 40 damage, pretty sure troo is at like 40kg

[manic flint]

Ok 2 bites

Why did they make it so unnecessarily small

[limber hull]

what

its not unnecessarily small

[manic flint]

It feels like it

I can't see how they are supposed to take down a teno tbh

[limber hull]

i dont see why people hate the idea of troodon being small so much

[limber hull]

the same way a utah takes down a stego. With patience, teamwork and a lot of DoT

[manic flint]

I guess so

[limber hull]

also stealth

[manic flint]

I'll have to see it in action first

[limber hull]

also it has venom

[manic flint]

My brain can't comprehend little Troodon killing teno but Utah killing stego works in my brain

Weird how that works

[heady harbor]

It really does sound like a song
Troodons calls are freakin amazing

[limber hull]

i mean, snakes are tiny and they can take down shit FAR larger than it

[manic flint]

They also have venom that turns your brain off or rots your skin

Troodon is supposed to make you tired yea?

[limber hull]

the main weakness of troodon is def its fragility. In daylight, it'll be a simple kill, you see it coming, you smash it to death instantly. At night, they have a significant advantage and can essentially attack you from any angle as a surprise

[heady harbor]

I would hate to be bitten by one of those then

[manic flint]

Based on the concept art it seems like a stamina draining venom

[limber hull]

in the concept art it makes a teno vomit, which is fucking horrifying based on the vomit debuffs

bye food, water, stam and nutrients

[heady harbor]

Oh no

[manic flint]

One problem I do see is that Troodon being really reliant on groups might not work when we have more playables

[manic flint]

It did? I thought it just got tired

[limber hull]

def throws up

[manic flint]

If it makes you sick that's cool

Vomit debuffs are nasty

[heady harbor]

I’m gonna be terrified of running thought the forests when they come out now

[limber hull]

like, there's clearly something dripping out of the teno mouth

[heady harbor]

I exclusively use those when traveling too

[manic flint]

I interpreted it as it was panting cause it's stam was being drained

I'll need to see it again

Can't really tell if it's exhaustion or vomit

Could be both

Also that teno looks kinda small compared to the Troodon

[limber hull]

no, both look around adult based on size charts

[manic flint]

Yea u right

[limber hull]

i think the primary portrayals s that two troodons bit it

so im assuming that venomstacking is going to not only be a thing but an important tactic

more venom in it, worse it gets

[manic flint]

Probably

[limber hull]

and i'd hope troodon would have to rely on teammates to add more venom

like venom glands can only store so much irl

[manic flint]

Yea
I feel like Troodon will be the most pack reliant animal in the game

Which could be both good and bad

[limber hull]

me and my mates really wanna play troo so we're set in that regard lmao

[manic flint]

None of my friends play the isle 😔

[limber hull]

i convince my friends to play games I play

im very persuasive

[manic flint]

I tried
It didn't work

[gaunt canopy]

Do you think troodon would be immune to other troodons venom?

[manic flint]

Nah

[limber hull]

nah lmao

doubt troodons would be cannibals but even more doubt they'd be immune from an attack from another

[manic flint]

If they were that would make Troodon players not care when they bite cause if they hit their friends it barely matters

[barren crater]

Yeah I hope this is a thing. Makes sense as well

[gaunt canopy]

If I remember some venomous creatures today are immune to there own spieces venom that’s why I was wondering if you guys thinking if troodon would be immune

[limber hull]

@bleak atlas magy has calls?

[barren crater]

Yes, a broadcast was shown

[limber hull]

where

[barren crater]

#isle-discussion message

[bleak atlas]

And a attract

[barren crater]

I don't have the broadcast, but those are the attract

[limber hull]

broadcast where

[bleak atlas]

I dont have them on hand rn, but i can send them to u later when im home

[limber hull]

sad

nevermind i found it

yea thats good shit

hate on magy all you want but thems good calls

[barren crater]

Sounds eerie

[limber hull]

it does

[bleak atlas]

Yeah ik, but they are so old, im afraid they change them

[barren crater]

Old isn't a reason to change them

Since we still have a lot of legacy sounds

[bleak atlas]

Yeah, hope we keep them ^^

[limber hull]

troodon calls were old but they kept consistent within the animation reveal

doubtful that magy will be changed

no real need to either, why change assets that haven't even been released

[barren crater]

My question is, what is an attract sound?

a friendly?

[limber hull]

probably

[barren crater]

If so, it's a nice sounding 2 call. So far, Magy's 2/2 for me

[limber hull]

as much as people shit on it, it's honestly one of the more exciting dinosaurs for me simply because I NEED to know what they plan to do with it

I MUST know how they intend to balance this animal

[barren crater]

Same

Either way, I can imagine the sheer anger. I hope magy is OP in its size range

[bleak atlas]

Imagine it relasing after cera troodon and beipi and just rolling everything besides deino and cera

[barren crater]

Honestly, Magy's quite a beefy boi. 1650kg is a lot of weight

[limber hull]

i want magy to have a huge amount of defensive stats and tons of endurance. It should be able to run for ages

it outweighs teno technically

[barren crater]

• defense on it being better than most

I can see it rolling carnos in a straight dog fight

[limber hull]

i'd give it bleed res, more stam than teno, tail whip and some damage resist to body attacks.

Then I'd give cera a stam-drain grapple bite that would mean the magy's endurance is no longer as effective

magy obviously wont be able to sprint, trot or swim faster than teno, so it needs to compensate in other fields. I'd say hefty endurance and passive defences

[bleak atlas]

This would be so fun xD
Tbh one of my most hyped mechanics xD

Just yeet the juvi utah in a croc infested lake xD

[limber hull]

that aint a utah

[barren crater]

Honestly, I don't see that translating into the game. However, how feasible will a lmb hold be for that attack. Like tapping is obviously the damage, and if anything is small- it can hold onto it?

[stark dust]

venom velo

[barren crater]

Yeah that's a troodon

[stark dust]

venom velo says it all

[bleak atlas]

But if it can yeet troodon, a juvi utah is yeetable too :p

[limber hull]

true

very valid point

[stark dust]

just a velociraptor with venom abilities a night time hunter and just change the name too troodon

[barren crater]

I mean, we could technically do this with other playables so eh

[bleak atlas]

Tbh i would just nest babies in to have something to yeet around xD >:)

[barren crater]

TOXIC!!!!

Ban!!!!

[stark dust]

troodon players will always act like they think they are super quirky

[bleak atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/the-grinch-evil-smile-creepy-smile-gif-7618321

[limber hull]

nah dude, i advocate velo to be the "everywhere predator"

velo should be allowed to climb, enter burrows, move quickly on the ground, adapt to basically any environment

coast, forests, arid, wherever the fuck you go, velo can vibe there

[bleak atlas]

I hope velo is the nest invader that hunts proto, hona, etc.

[stark dust]

it is

[barren crater]

I mean, it will likely nest invade since the proto rivalry

[limber hull]

yea

but i want it also to be able to climb and run well

EVERYWHERE PREDATOR

[stark dust]

I hope proto and velo are on there realistic size

[limber hull]

no where is safe from the little fucker

[bleak atlas]

I hope velo is a in between between utah and herra climb

[limber hull]

they are

[stark dust]

idk I always think isle velo is gonna be smaller the proto

[limber hull]

it is

in what world is velo larger than a proto what

[bleak atlas]

They will go with the max. size for every creature if its balancable

[barren crater]

Yeah it's like 30kg velo vs a 130kg proto

It isn't going to be an easy meal. You'd probs need to pack hunt the thing at that size diff

[bleak atlas]

Proto fat boi lol

[stark dust]

I am not talking about jp velo I jus think velo would be tiny compare to proto

[barren crater]

Well you're correct on that

Velo fighting a proto is essentially very high risk

since a 130kg animal will likely deal a decent bit of damage

and it looks like it may fracture or knockdowns by its concept art (proto that is)

[stark dust]

thats kinda talking about weight but in terms of size and height velo and proto are almost the same size but proto is much heavier and velo is more agile

[barren crater]

I didn't state impossible tbf, but proto has the ability to dish out a bit of damage. Hence the 'high risk'

[stark dust]

👍

[warm flame]

wait does magy have calls?

[limber hull]

yea

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/879067737278775386/Project_08-22_HD_720p_MEDIUM_FR30.mp4

[paper oriole]

if you listen closely you can hear him begging for death

[warm flame]

it sounds like he's trying to be a troodon

[limber hull]

nah, i feel they're very distinct while being somewhat similar

like i can easily tell which is which

[warm flame]

is that the friendly roar?

[limber hull]

broadcast

#isle-discussion message

this is friendly i think

[warm flame]

it doesn't really sound like the broadcast I'd expect from a magy, so high pitched

[limber hull]

its a dwarf sauropod

[left nacelle]

Yeah Magy is tiny for a Sauropod. It's like as tall as a Bison iirc

Like it's small enough that a couple utahs could probably take it down

[limber hull]

i mean probably

but thats not a fair statement because a couple utahs can also take down stegos and shit

[left nacelle]

Well yeah, but it's just to put into perspective how small it is for a Sauropod

[limber hull]

true

[left nacelle]

Oh.... maybe one utah could take it on then

[manic flint]

magy is only slightly bigger than teno

[manic flint]

it has a 50/50 with cera

probably

a good utah could

[bleak atlas]

Yeah a skill match up. Atleast planned

[manic flint]

yea

[bleak atlas]

I kinda wonder if magy gets a small stomp

[manic flint]

probably not

[left nacelle]

Doubt it

It'll probably get a tail whip and a shoulder attack

[manic flint]

and a bite attack

[left nacelle]

Maybe a one legged backwars kick like puerta had too

Oh yeah and a bite

[manic flint]

doubt it, tail swipe does that job

[left nacelle]

True, but a kick could be good for tiny things nipping at your heels

[manic flint]

shoulder bash, neck push, bite

a tail attack is likely though

[left nacelle]

Yeah putting that long tail to waste would be a shame. Plus it would have no defense from behind unless it can turn crazy fast with an alt attack

[manic flint]

it will definitely get some form of stun

[left nacelle]

Yeah I hope you can push things over lol

[manic flint]

the knockdown will probably work on animals up to carno size

if it cant push carno over its kinda toast

[left nacelle]

With how long carnos legs are, I feel like it would be kinda dumb if it couldn't push it over. Carno seems pretty top heavy

[rare fractal]

Out of the theropods, it's center of mass is one of the highest. It's hard for a carno to trip on it's own, but with assistance it'd be quite easy. I'd limit it to carno sized animals and smaller tho

[manic flint]

Yea

[left nacelle]

I was also thinking from Magy's perspective, it'll kinda be pushing it from a lower angle, so it would make sense for carno to topple easily

[rare fractal]

Yeah Magy is very bottom heavy

becoming a sentient speedbump sounds perfect for it

[manic flint]

everything on here magy could probably topple, except for maybe kentro or dibble since they are short

[left nacelle]

I could see four most four legged creatures probably lust stumbling rather than falling over

[rare fractal]

Magy trying to push a kentro over is like a Knight trying to punch the sword of the other Knight

[manic flint]

but it will probably be based on weight so i would say 1800kg and under it can knock it over

[rare fractal]

Teno would likely just take damage, can't really knock it over without falling over yourself

[manic flint]

yea lmao, you will just get impaled

quadrupeds should be immune imo

[rare fractal]

Punching your enemies sword precisely.
Or headbutting the barrel of your attackers pistol

[rare fractal]

agreed

[manic flint]

but cera, carno and bary are free game

[left nacelle]

I'm glad the talk of "magy cannot survive" seems to be finally over. This conversation is actually kinda making me excited for it lol

[rare fractal]

It'd only work if a forest movement hindrance mechanic was added, but yeah

I know it's a total meme but allo does kinda shit on magy generically, so if allo was purely a plains animal whilst having abysmal foliage mobility it can work

[left nacelle]

Well with diet I could see it working, if it lives in an area were only medium sized animals live

Maybe Magy will live on the islands just off shore of Spiro

[manic flint]

I could see it if magy is quite agile and can weave through forests

[manic flint]

Lmao

Or if magy was a decent swimmer

[rare fractal]

I don't think a location where only medium sized animals exist CAN exist in this game, there are far too many large animals to have them all in similar locations, that'd mess with their niches as much as it would aid magy's, plus that's basically counting on the off chance that the animal that ends your existence easily just never sees you... which I'd prefer to avoid

It'd be much better if forest mobility became a mechanic

[manic flint]

If they made forests playable and magy agile with good stam, magy could survive easily

[left nacelle]

Lets just not add allo then

[manic flint]

Not even necessary if they give magy good stam and mobility and Allo mediocre to bad stam

[rare fractal]

Well that doesn't really close the speed gap, Magy can't jump (it's still a titanosaur) and obstacles will actually cause it to struggle a bit based on it's build, again, it's better if forest mobility becomes a factor instead for animals in a certain size range (ofcourse some animals would be exempt from this if they're meant to be there, like rex or trike)

[left nacelle]

Make allo fast but in shorts bursts. Shit stam, good speed

[rare fractal]

Well all that really means is that the magy will survive if it can spot the allo from far off, being a forest dwelling animal makes that very difficult to do

[manic flint]

I agree

[limber hull]

allo should have burst speed imho. Good trot, good sprint speed, poor running stamina. Allow it to trot to keep pace, but use burst sprint to ambush or close gaps in a hunt

[manic flint]

True but is Allo any good at forest hunting? And if it ambushes magy that's the magy's fault

[manic flint]

Yea definitely

[limber hull]

based on the allo trot anim we have, it's going to be a very quick trotter too

[left nacelle]

Magy also shouldn't be on allo's diet imo. I know that wouldn't stop allos from attacking magys, but it would make it less frequent

[limber hull]

magy is obviously not going to be allo diet food

its meant to taste awful to most species

[left nacelle]

Yeah that's something that I kinda just thought about. People talk about allo and magy so much that I didn't even think about the diet thing lol

[rare fractal]

No it's not, but again that's not really the issue here, if it spots a magy in the forest (again, forests are dense and spotting threats is really really hard when surrounded by obstacles visual or physical), it's likely the magy won't be far enough away from the allo for it's stam to become a relevant factor before it's caught up to. This can be helped by forests becoming less dense (which I would grovel at the feet of the devs to make a reality) but if they remain even similar to how they are now it's going to be rough. FFS Stegos can pop out of seemingly thin air when traversing forests

[manic flint]

Magy should have some sort of damage reduction
Cause y'know, saltasauroids and their armour

[limber hull]

i'd say bleed res and perhaps damage reduction to body attacks

[manic flint]

Yea they need to fix forests

[rare fractal]

I'd go with that, general damage reductions imply that it's entire body is armored, like anky, when it's really only down it's flanks and neck a bit

[manic flint]

Yea
Of course they have a giant ass weak spot but some damage reduction will help nonetheless

baby magy

[rare fractal]

Argent

[left nacelle]

Argentavis you mean

[rare fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/sauropod-grazing-dinosaur-gif-17293010

Baby Magy^

Upsize Magy to 230 tons

Then it'll be balanced

[left nacelle]

Remember the old hypozilla mod? That should be magy's size

[manic flint]

planet dinosaur was such a good dino doc

[rare fractal]

Or EyeSeeYou's apocalyptic V3 Deino destroying legacy

[manic flint]

as inaccurate as axe allo is

[left nacelle]

What. I need to see this

[rare fractal]

I love watching old dino docs to see what they did and did not get right, Spino's and Argents/Mappu's episodes are very interesting under that lense

WWD is still the best by far, nothing has come close the the absolute experience that which is that series

[manic flint]

i am so excited for Red Raptor Writes review on it

[rare fractal]

I'll @ you next time I can find Eye in chat, I don't have it on hand :(

[left nacelle]

Is it on Youtube? or is it here on discord somewhere?

[rare fractal]

Yeah same, I watched BenGThomas's analysis of the first 2 episodes and they were really good. A lot doesn't hold up but a surprising amount actually does..

[rare fractal]

Nah not on YT, it's just an image he made that he shows off sometimes, made it around the launch of evrima to usher in the recode

I just don't feel like bothering him so I'll ask for it next time I see em

[left nacelle]

Ah okay, lemme see if I can find it

[rare fractal]

Have at it

[left nacelle]

I found this lol

[rare fractal]

Oh god xD

[left nacelle]

OH OH OH

Thissssss

I remember this now lol

[rare fractal]

There it is :D

[odd sedge]

Some Deino mains be like
"Muh water rex isn't big enough. Upsize it devs"
And their reference pic is something like this

[rare fractal]

lmao

[left nacelle]

Speaking of deino, I can't wait to finally play as a green gator once skins come out

[barren crater]

I want to play as the epic purple deino!

[paper oriole]

This sounds so shit lol

[barren crater]

Diseases are cool

[pure quiver]

Carnivores eat a tiny bit of bad meat? Make like a cat and eat da grass

[odd sedge]

Know whats gonna happen? People are gonna kill their nested baby if they get a debuff.
Not worth it. Not fun

[pure quiver]

If anything, give inbred babies debuffs if allowed at all

[paper oriole]

Spawning in to a nest with good parents who have perks and you made a nice skin but OH NO the rng gave your dinosaur fuckin allergies or something idk maybe your dinosaur was born with cataracts or osteogenesis now you gotta kill yourself

Sounds like nothing but a bad luck lottery

[paper oriole]

Debuffs for shitty inbred parents or parents with a bunch of other negative shit going on like a bad nest and poorly tended eggs is fine. Maybe low chance of leucism too

As long as we can see some info on the parents before taking an egg from the menu

[empty epoch]

but sound scary for gameplay

[pure quiver]

It's a delicate balance between terminal illness, and annoying itch

[paper oriole]

Don’t even sound scary as much as they just sound irritating

[barren crater]

Nah I was joking about how they said that diseases would be cool. Should have probs quoted it

[empty epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-breaking-bad-lol-lmao-rofl-gif-16433990

[barren crater]

I don't want any diseases in game. Unless inbreeding. I hate typing that word

[paper oriole]

Disease just sounds like another boring hindrance to manage

Getting sick like throwing up or getting an infection from specific injuries is one thing but an actual disease is lame

[low canopy]

catch a flu from swimming in cold water

[paper oriole]

Sounds like some shit id see in BoB lol

[empty epoch]

Yes

something like that becomes too realistic and boring

[paper oriole]

Apparently eggs and nests will require tending to so if they added birth defects like leucism and negative perks then it could also be connected to eggs that are neglected in a shitty nest

[low canopy]

personally i would not mind diseases, but only if the way you contact em can be predicted and therefore prevented when knowing what to do, while also giving players tools to get rid of diseases such as eating special plants and stuff, but that would require complicated mechanic with a lot of thought put into it

[empty epoch]

you have to also regularly maintain your relationship status with your mate

[barren crater]

What's going to happen, a falling out?

[empty epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-breaking-bad-lol-lmao-rofl-gif-16433990

[paper oriole]

“Honey, why does our hatchling have orange on it? Neither of us have orange color-“

[empty epoch]

lol

[paper oriole]

Relationship -100

[empty epoch]

I just prefer players not having the "biggest" option when hatching

they still can pick what they want to look like, but it's still primarily your parent's palette

I mean, if you prefer to customise your own playable don't join a nest
It doesn't matter in the long run as we know "Funky"/"stupid" colours wont be available for your average playable

[pure quiver]

I feel like it should be difficult to get diseases unless inbred.
ie. Stand out in the rain for 10 minutes and swim for 10 straight as a non-aquatic, you get a flu and then you need to eat a special herb and lay down.
Eat rotten food, throw up, eat grass or herb to recover.
drink from bog water for 2 minutes, throw up, dehydrate, eat herb to recover and drink elsewhere.

[empty epoch]

inbred wouldn't primarily have "diseases" (so to say) but just simple debuffs.
The term diseases shouldn't match

although yes, science definition

[pure quiver]

Basic, simple, easy to plug into the diet system

[empty epoch]

We do know sickness debuffs will be in-game
from eating rotten carcasses or BAD plants

like eating mushrooms.

Which I believe mushrooms do nothing currently? Unless I'm mistaken

[pure quiver]

That's true, as far a sI know

I guess other sicknesses would be fairly easy to drop in, especially after weather is introduced

[limber hull]

honestly, remove carni juvi diet exceptions and have nested hatchlings get all nutrients from... whatever the fuck it is they eat. I'd make it that if a hatchling eats something on that animal's diet, they get all three nutrients. So even though you start off smaller and weaker as a hatchling, you get parents and dietary buffs due to your parents gathering food.

Also change deino because it is the one animal I see that will be actively suffering from having to collect all nutrients, pretty much every other animal can kill AI or scavenge. Deino's diet just needs to be WAY more simple but still require actually doing shit

[pure quiver]

Also, a little warning before it rains, maybe you can "smell" the rain coming by showing a symbol or making the compass glitchy or hazy

[paper oriole]

Imo, getting sick from rain sounds kinda annoying as fuck

[limber hull]

it does

[paper oriole]

Like having to take shelter and afk because its raining, sounds like BoB

Especially if you’re in a tight spot on food or are trying to head somewhere

[pure quiver]

True

[empty epoch]

I only like the idea of it stopping/slowing/limiting scent

and that depends on how thick the rain is

[paper oriole]

I can see rain washing away track scent but at the same time making footprints more visible

[empty epoch]

although, that'd be a hard system to implement

[paper oriole]

I dont think scent should be outright disabled though

[empty epoch]

I feel like that should depend on the weather conditions

[paper oriole]

Corpses and plants can still be smelled in the rain, hell sometimes theyre even enhanced

[pure quiver]

I mean it could be a minor effect that gets more intense if untreated.
Let's say a full 20 minutes of exposure that can be cancelled and start the timer again once headed under cover for a few seconds.
And if you do contract a flu, it wont hurt you unless untreated for another 30 minutes. So you have a whole hour before anything should be done about it.

Also I like that idea about rain thickness. Light rain, no risk of flu, heavy rain minor risk, torrential downpour major risk.

[paper oriole]

Added moisture can make something scented just flare up

[empty epoch]

your average rain/weather should limit scent to the point that it should take double/triple the amount of time to find

light rain?
It's as if the rain doesn't exist

[paper oriole]

Personally i just hope it isnt just some boring hindrance like it was in legacy

[pure quiver]

I've honestly wanted corpses and fruits/plants to emit a small cloud when nearby. Trying to find a dark chicken corpse in the brush at night with nothing but a compass kinda sucks ass

[paper oriole]

It had like two situational upsides in legacy but otherwise it was just lame

[paper oriole]

Sometimes yea

It can get irritating

[pure quiver]

even if it's only visible at night I'd be okay with that. If you cant see, shouldn't your other senses compensate?

[candid fiber]

No. I want the diet to actually work and able to have actual impact on the ecosystem, because that's the way you deal with things like the apex problem, overpopulation, megapacks, mixpacks, nonstop deathmatching, having nothing to do, etc.

The things you are worried about result from not actually getting 1-2 nutrients reliably enough and from the wrong things/areas being on the diet list. And maybe from people feeling entitled to play a big animal without actually having to worry about feeding it.

That's not supposed to invalidate those worries, because they are important and the diet system needs to be adjusted to deal with those and fit better into the core gameplay loop (Dryo and Ptera, for example, work rather well) without feeling tagged on (... Hypsi mushroom searches...). But that's another issue. Diets need work, both to be more impactful and to feel more natural.

If you look at all the servers with rules it should be clear that people want a functioning ecosystem as well as things to do outside of deathmatching. There is no way other than adjusting the systems to actually do what they are supposed to do, instead of going "I don't like the system right now, so we should keep it a lame duck, because I don't want any inconvenience".

[tidal rose]

@candid fiber I actually play the big animals rather rarely, I mainly play ptera or utah really, maybe pachy. But what you are suggestion just makes the system more tedious. It doesn't come from entitlement to play a big animal, it comes from the fact that its boring to deal with the system as it is and adding more punishments is not the way to go. You won't encourage me to play proper by punishing me even more, in fact I personally probably would play even less. I have an adult steg on two servers (it got duplicated idk why on another server) from when I was reporting stego bugs, I logged on, saw that I am supposed to go from the top left of the map to the bottom right and just logged off. Its tedious. I am fine with things being DIFFICULT. but it can be done without making it boring or tedious

I want the ecosystem to function too, but I also want it to be fun

[candid fiber]

It's a crutch that needs to be taken away to fix the ecosystem (Carno is really bad in this regard, you mostly eat boar). <I accidentally deleted the original text>

[tidal rose]

Why do you need to take the crutch away before fixing the boring part? without the crutch then its all boring

heck, I only play ptera this update because of the diets, and I still just kind of survive on fish and nothing else

I just can't be arsed flying across the map looking for frogs or crabs or chickens :/

Its not fun

[candid fiber]

Surviving on one nutrient is perfectly fine. Don't feel forced to get more, especially as a carnivore. The buffs are rather mild.

[burnt bone]

Normally, once I’m adult, I don’t even go for all 3 or even 2 nutrients. I just skate by on 1 because it’s not worth the risk of crossing carno horde territory and tediousness of crossing dead zones.

[tidal rose]

I mean yeah... but its still kind of lame

[candid fiber]

The point about taking the crutch away is that that crutch hides most of the issues.

[tidal rose]

I want the ecosystem to work as I said. and yeah you can chill with 1 nutrient, but I mean.... if they add punishments for being only on one nutrient then it just becomes eh

[candid fiber]

Also the crutch fucks up the ecosystem.

[tidal rose]

you think so?

in what way does it hide the problem, in fact tell me what the problem is

in your opinion

[candid fiber]

The problem is that big things in particular don't really have to worry about getting nutrients as much and can easily grow in numbers on junk food.

[tidal rose]

okay, lets say you take off junk food, what is your best case scenario in your mind

[candid fiber]

As I wrote before Carno eats mostly boar in practice.

Best case scenario is overpopulation causing starvation.

[tidal rose]

Thing is, the more difficult you make it, the more afk growers there will be

[candid fiber]

You mean if you make it too difficult to even find diet food? Yes. But that's not even the point. I don't want it to be difficult to find diet food, under normal circumstances. I want it to be a bad idea to not even look for any.

[tidal rose]

Yes it takes more time, but you can either put in a ton of effort or watch netflix and grow in the background. I mean, I can only speak personally and from the things my friends tell me about this is but generally here's the point. If you are joining a chilly cookoff, you might want to win, especially if there is a nice juicy prize. But if gordon ramsy shows up and participates, a lot of people will drop out and others won't even bother with the effort.

[candid fiber]

I don't think that you should have a hard time to find diet food at all if you are (1) in the right biome, (2) not overpopulated and (3) casually keep your eyes open.

[tidal rose]

I mean I guess I personally always kept up with the diet in the previous update but that was too easy because all of them were in the center

one of my personal big complaints is the distance. I personally tested it and it takes a baby steg 40 minutes to get all 3 nutrients assuming its your only goal. I also did that on an near empty server so I didn't have to deal with predators or crocs much

It just seems too excessive...

and thats 100% of the time running since for some reason baby stegs never run out of stamina

[candid fiber]

That might be excessive. Stego as apex herbivore is a good case study though. You would want adults to do a lot of travelling to feed themselves and you also don't want it to be too easy to grow. But the final outcome seems to be a foul compromise where you mostly harm the juveniles while the adults are perfectly fine with not caring about food very much.

[tidal rose]

yeah :/

Im not the biggest steg fan personally but i feel sorry for them. I mostly grow them to test things and whatnot

well... the babies that is

not the adults, the adults are jerks

[candid fiber]

So you could put the diets closer together but reduce the density (which mostly hurts adults as juvies don't eat as much) or you could add a kind of juvenile diet.

[tidal rose]

I personally think that there should be more than just 3 plants per herbivore diet

and then from that point there are multiple ways you can make that more functional

[candid fiber]

So kind of like carnivores have small AI as well as bigger playables on their list?

[tidal rose]

well no. Here are 2 ideas ive voiced beforehand.

Idea 1 - you got 9 plants, 3 for each nutrient. But there is a system that randomly picks which plant your dinosaur craves, moving you to those locations. Now it can be totally random or presets could be made. And basically you would still be forced to migrate, but the reward for it would be better. As you get to one or two plants nearby and one slightly further away, then when the craving changes you can be on your merry way. It feels less pointless to go from A to B to C if you get rewarded for it more.

Idea 2 - You got 6 or 9 plants and based off of that you could make it so different plants spawn or show up at different "events". Such as, you have the 3 regular plants for the steg, but during the night plant D is available and blooms under moonlight or something. Plant E shows up when x happens. Some variety or something.

Generally, the current system takes the idea of exploration, drops it on the ground and stomps it, but with more biomes to travel or more event plants you could eat, well i mean, it would at least expand the locations you could go instead of JUST center, JUST swamp or JUST north west without getting absolutely fucked on diets.

its random ideas, im not a dev, but generally thats where my mind goes

@candid fiber

I don't know... all I know is I just don't play much anymore because its just boring. I don't have the answer really

[candid fiber]

I like the second one. And making plants actually spawn in biomes instead of specific areas would be a start as well.

[tidal rose]

carnivore diets are too open and herbivore ones are simply too locked

[candid fiber]

Carnivore diets by themselves aren't too open. That's the effect of juvenile diets and junk food.

[tidal rose]

thats what I was referencing

juvie diets, though some diets are impossible to fully achieve really in most cases

like utah has for one nutrient, hypsi, dryo and ptera. Ptera is possible but hard, but the other two are just not played. And ptera has an elite fish... like how are you supposed to get an elite fish thats not glitched or a trap?

[candid fiber]

Carno gamplay: Eat a deer, sit in a bush, eat another deer at 49%, sit in a bush, leave bush at full size, survive on boar and the occasional deer/Utah for nutrients.

Yeah Deino would make more sense than elite fish. Outside of that Ptera diet is pretty good though.

[tidal rose]

I mean i guess

[wooden mica]

I gotta say, as far as the junk food thing is concerned, I dont like the idea of the really punishing option because theres a lot of times where its not a choice to eat "junk" its a necessity because you cant find the food you need, for example more than 2 adult steggos that are doing the rounds to keep their nutrition up decimates the options for the other steggos around, for all of the marigolds and sumac, pumpkins, when you find them can feed 3 or 4 stegs before despawning. Anyway I get where youre coming from but at the same time, as with all suggestions, tweaks for the way people actually play on this game rather than personal ideals are a must

tldr: yes but also no, tweaks could work but our playerbase is shocking so cater to them not personal play

[tidal rose]

i gotta go for like a hour, ill read up once i get back

[candid fiber]

That's the intended effect though. If there are too many Stegos, they should have a harder time staying alive.

[wooden mica]

too many, but 2?

how many is too many because I dont know about you but 2-3 is not a lot

[candid fiber]

2 in one area. The real issue here is that there only is one area.

[wooden mica]

I mean yeah, everyone has to migrate to the same spot, its not too many that everyone ends up there, so as i said, yes but also no to the suggestion

lack of food is a big issue, the fix was grazing is used as a hard buffer to make up for it

you get nothing but food and you can only eat to like 25% food before you no longer get food fill from it

thats pretty punishing in itself

[candid fiber]

Honestly if they implemented something similar to my idea they could probably do away with the grazing cap.

At least with the hunger drop variant.

[wooden mica]

I doubt they will tho, the current plan seems to be going toward, carni eat players, herbi graze no food

to say it in a very loose way

I dont even remember the last time they implemented player suggestions

[candid fiber]

0.8.75.134 had a bunch. Mostly concerning diets and hunger.

[wooden mica]

I mean yeah, im just jokin

[candid fiber]

Of course they are not implementing ideas 1:1.

[valid zephyr]

I like this idea. Stego is a slow, painful to migrate animal so having to endlessly crossmap is awful. Especially as a juvie when if anything sees you you may as well tab out and wait to die.

So putting diets closer together, but reducing their density solves that

It allows them to do things other than endlessly hold W, and actually have fun. But competition for food is high and as a result they end up competing amongst themselves.

[ashen elm]

I lean more to adding juvenile diets since this isn't just a Stego problem but for any juvie that has low mobility
also give jungles a purpose and add juvie food in there, carnivore and herbivore, make jungle juvie fight club biome

[abstract needle]

we dont talk about juvie fight club

[ashen elm]

https://tenor.com/view/babies-stuffing-ninja-mixed-martial-arts-athletic-babies-gif-19859101

making the juvenile stage less of a chore and more like playing the game is needed imo

I definitely think some herbivores and potentially omnivores should migrate less

It should be a spectrum of highly mobile or very large = lots of moving or slow, relatively small and not mobile = sticks to certain spots or biomes

Like poor Minmi if they need to travel across the map

[limber hull]

juvi diet removal is awful on carni and id fucking despise it if they just moved it to herbi too

[ashen elm]

I don't think they mean it as removing diets, more like ontogenetic diets

aka juveniles and adults have separate diets that are balanced more easily

[limber hull]

its not even "separate diet", it's jut ez mode for 50% growth

i just think deino needs a COMPLETE diet overhaul and juvis should no longer have these diet options given for free

also herbi diets should be more dynamic than what they are now

[ashen elm]

juvie carni diets is too ez yes. I'm hoping what they do in the future is have different diets depending on growth stages, for both herbivores and carnivores

[limber hull]

ehhh

i dont know if i like that at all

imagine not being able to feed your kid because your diets are different

[ashen elm]

It's what dinosaurs likely did in real life when there was no parental care, so it works lol

As far as nesting, I mean it's an investment as it is. Plus you can pick up food that is not your diet anyway

[tidal rose]

i mean yeah but realistically look at t rex, young t rex had a different niche than adult t rex, young ones being more faster and theorized to go after more nimble prey

im sure some middle ground is possible

[limber hull]

but that's around sub-adult stage

where the rex is already considered capable of caring for itself

[tidal rose]

sure, when caring for themselves. Also look at baby crocs in real life, as babies they will eat bugs, frogs or whatever else catches their eye and is with the size range. Adults will kill zebra etc

its really dependant on species

a very specialized species would eat the same as adults etc

[ashen elm]

Juveniles are independent, isn't that what we have in-game rn?
If you mean hatch-lings, maybe there is general "baby food" for those

[limber hull]

i think hatchlings should get all 3 nutrients from any diet food they eat, herbivore or carnivore

juvis however, not so sure

utahs hunting rabbits or scavenging random corpses isn't too hard, neither is carno hunting boar or ptera killing fish and frogs

even at a juvi state, these animals are capable of attaining diet options

[ashen elm]

That's fine I guess
IMO juveniles are basically already able to care for themselves which is around 15-50% growth
and sub-adult is once you hit 50

[limber hull]

the only clear problem animal I see is deino, who I believe should have a complete diet overhaul

Nutrient 1 = all playable creatures (including deino)
Nutrient 2 = fish and other ambient AI
Nutrient 3 = basking in the sunlight

[tidal rose]

basking is great lol

[limber hull]

Nutrient one requires you to hunt, nutrient two requires you to compete, nutrient three requires you to expose yourself

Each encourages the animal to do SOMETHING integral to its survival

[tidal rose]

I think some one suggested nutrient 1 all terrestrial, nutri 2 = aquatic and semi aquatic and then 3 is basking, might have been you idk

[limber hull]

That was probably also me

[tidal rose]

ye

[limber hull]

honestly either works

although the fish nutrient creates an ecosystem where piscivore animals will be in tight competition for the fish

[tidal rose]

then you get to the update 3 problem of no fish existing anywhere and it being annoyign to find them

i remember at some point fish were just gone lol

but now theres plenty

[limber hull]

also juvi deino can simply eat a schooling fish for the same dietary result

[tidal rose]

I just noticed distant trees arent lime green anymore

awesome

distant trees used to be such an eyesore

thats probably been the case for a long time tbh, its just that you dont notice it when its working right

[maiden epoch]

Cam someone tell me how to current game state is??
Like is Utah still ok or Good or nerfed again
How is Deino did he got changes or can finally kill a Stego
Is Carno still op?
Didn't played since Pachy came out

[uneven mist]

Utah didn’t get a nerf

It can kill stegos now so it isn’t weak

[maiden epoch]

can

Everything can kill everything

[tight oxide]

Hypsi vs carno ayo?

[tribal heart]

if its a skilled hypsi player and the carno got disconnect - yes

[burnt bone]

It would take a pack of very skilled utahs to kill a bad stego

[tight oxide]

A good stego only has to step into shallow water lol

[burnt bone]

Exactly why I specified a BAD stego

[tight oxide]

Ik

But just saying how easy a utah pack can be countered

[gaunt canopy]

It’s stam when running did

[tame jetty]

@strange frost I'm so shooked but that rex model legit looks only like q extremely obese Alberto 🙈 and then the skin pattern too haha jesus

[strange frost]

Right now its most accurate recreation of t rex. Alberto is tyrannosauridae so its normal they look a bit similaire

[paper oriole]

No it looks like an actual rex that isnt another copypaste underweight pointy eyeridges movie rex

[left nacelle]

@spiral ravine Next planned dino is Troodon and I believe after that is Cerato or Beipi

[tepid gate]

Carno's ok, Tenonto's ok, Pachy is trash, Utah is buggy(and therefore kind of bad), Deino typically loses 1v1 against Stego, but I've won it once - requires a bit of lucky though - 2v1 Deinos stomp a Stego(relatively) easily.

Also - this is more so a question for balance feedback really

[steady tide]

Ptera should dive for elite fish

i can't catch them

[grizzled notch]

Only way to catch elite fish is with a friendly croc

[paper oriole]

pter can catch elite fish at the little southeast border river but it definitely isnt worth the effort

[left nacelle]

Yeah I don't even get why Ptera has elite fish on its diet. It's easier to just fly to the coast and find a turtle

[stark dust]

@errant spire send that in bug reports

[paper oriole]

I think ptera has elite fish on its diet for “why not” reasons really, just because it's still fish. I doubt its expected to actually be catching them rn

[grizzled notch]

Shhh that’s where my carno catches fish

[barren zephyr]

Teno doesn't need more stam, just less stam use for slam, and pachy would need a huge stam buff to make a difference but that would make it op in other aspects so it wont happen @jagged jewel

[strange frost]

@rare fractal it would be nice if we got full remodel. but a small remodel that make it fat and the head look like sue in flesh would be nice. Right now there no game that has sue based t rex(she most complet t rex 90% and model that blue rhino did was incredible (with chiken feet scales on the body)

[rare fractal]

The most similar Rex in a game to sue would be Saurian's new rex.... but that hasn't been added yet now has it

Tbh our current rex just looks dopey and stupid with it's brittle ass exposed teeth

[strange frost]

I dont think it was added