general-feedback-discussion

[paper oriole]

i kill any juvi or small who says that

[gaunt hinge]

I’ve been oppressed by worse since utahs acel got yeeted therefore I don’t really mind.

[odd sedge]

"What's wrong, kitten?"

[gaunt hinge]

that sounds oddly more terrifying hearing a bunch of copied calls instead of different ones

[signal beacon]

Trust me, as a herbi main, this happens a lot. I have to put so many baby tenos down because they utter that damn phrase

[gaunt hinge]

:]

[paper oriole]

so many juv utahs and carnos pull that shit whenever you drop a body too

or theyll just run up and start eating like theyre entitled to

drop a body and all the juv carnis in the region come out of the woodworks

[gaunt hinge]

more food.

[signal beacon]

I had found radish after looking for-fucking-ever for some and a baby teno just waltzed up like he owned the fucking thing.

[paper oriole]

more nutrients if you playing carno

[signal beacon]

Juvi deinos are so trusting and fucking entitled and idk why

Like bro fuck off of course I killed you this is mine

[paper oriole]

it confuses me how th juvis in cannibal species are so comfortable approaching a stranger

[sick wagon]

My fully-grown Carnotaurus (100%) on NA 4 is glitched with the meat-chunk stuck in its mouth. I have dropped the original chunk I ripped off of a boar AI by pressing "G", but everyone I come across says they can see it still in my jaws. It prevents me from eating and drinking. I have sent in a bug report and noticed that this has been a continual issue for some time.

I saw my post was deleted out of #general-feedback , apologies if that was the incorrect channel for attempting to reach further clarity and knowledge on this matter.

[signal beacon]

One time I killed a dryo and this juvie croc literally fucking said "move, let me eat"

[paper oriole]

lmao

like they know they can literally just eat fish

adults cant really live like that

[signal beacon]

And then juvi utahs trust absolutely no one

[paper oriole]

a lot of them are pretty overtrusting but i see mor eof them being cautious compared to carnos

[icy lion]

It's a known issue and is being investigated, thank you for submitting a report! In the meantime, safelogging can sometimes fix the issue without needing to quit the game completely

[sick wagon]

I've attempted both, but thank you for the reply none-the-less. ^^ ❤️

[native dirge]

yes, you shouldn't

[paper oriole]

i play solo anyway because grouping up always gets me killed because of a team mates stupid decisions

[honest sparrow]

I support juvi killer Dryo

[paper oriole]

i miss utah slayer dryo

[honest sparrow]

Because it’s based

[honest sparrow]

Same

[paper oriole]

i think ive told the tragic story of the last time i was in a utah pack vs a teno

[honest sparrow]

Based

[paper oriole]

whether i kill my own kind really depends on my mood but some people are begging for it no matter what

[rare fractal]

I despise the feeling of obligation when a packmate does something absurd and incompetent, so I sympathize. Plus dietary migration planning is much smoother when you don’t need to ask everyone what they need

[paper oriole]

like spam pteras and overtrusting juvis

[odd sedge]

Ptera players believe in altruism, trying to feed the neighbourhood carno babies with fish

[rare fractal]

Ptera adults are irrelevant, not sure what you mean

[honest sparrow]

Objectively wrong

[paper oriole]

i like killing PTs when theyre still tiny and i can just fly around with them ragdolling from my mouth

[honest sparrow]

They are playing Ptera wrong

Ptera players should all ASSAULT THE MASSES FROM THE SKIES

[paper oriole]

those pteras deserve to die

[odd sedge]

Well I mean that was ptetty much my experience

[rare fractal]

In what scenario are ptera players fucking fighting?!

[honest sparrow]

A lot

[paper oriole]

carebear pteras

[placid iron]

Isle players

[honest sparrow]

The best bait is to 2 call, land, and then when they also land to get close you alt bite them

[rare fractal]

If this situation is common then you’re prolly playing ptera is inefficiently as possible, ptera is the best hider/traveler/evader in the game

[honest sparrow]

2 shots

[placid iron]

https://tenor.com/view/some-men-just-want-to-watch-the-world-burn-batman-alfred-quotes-gif-14054558

[paper oriole]

if you alt peck they dont even have a chance to sit up and stop you its great

[honest sparrow]

Well yeah, makes it easier to find more of my own to kill

^

[paper oriole]

if its a juvi just carry the body and drop it in to the ocean

[odd sedge]

Getting rid of the evidence

[paper oriole]

tho idk if pt can still carry its young juvis since i havent done that in the new patch

i used to stuff dead juvis in the car at the incomplete docks

[honest sparrow]

I always get called a bitch or a pussy in chat afterwards

It’s great

[paper oriole]

i stuffed a dead hypsi and 3 dead juv pteras inside that car once

the hypsi just happened to be nearby so i had to walk drag it

[honest sparrow]

I want to eradicate the hypsi playerbase

[paper oriole]

i like to play hypsi often but so many of them just spam call they deserve death

[placid iron]

Y'all are sociopaths

[honest sparrow]

They aren’t funny

All they do is 1 call and mix pack

[paper oriole]

no, we are isle players

[placid iron]

what's the difference?

[paper oriole]

i dont mix pack as hypsi, i go solo to spit in peoples eyes and steal pumpkins to leave in merc bases for no reason at all

getting in to chases is fun with hypsi too

i used to find so many

[honest sparrow]

Best Ptera playstyle is juvi quetz tho

Or at least it was anyway, before pachy juvi got a speed boost

[paper oriole]

i'm content with swooping troll ownkiller ptera, but it was hella fun to peck baby deinos and carnos to death before

[low canopy]

it was too much fun, cant have that

[honest sparrow]

Back in the old stress test, juvi pachy was so slow that it was entirely viable to land and chase them down as ptera

[low canopy]

what this small animal has a playerbase? better fix that with quick nerf

[honest sparrow]

It was so fun

[paper oriole]

it was fun to follow juv pachys around for several minutes probably making them so miserable

they knew they were at your mercy

[honest sparrow]

I 2v1’d them on the ground with a fracture 🗿

Ptera ratios the roster ong

[paper oriole]

i like to explore and be a nuisance, without spamcalling because i annoy myself if i do that, so i still enjoy ptera. but it just isnt quite as fun, plus 90% of the other animals i see are carnos and that is boring

[honest sparrow]

Bring back juvi deino killer potential

Stop nerfing it

Buff it’s damage back, literally just get good and kill the fly

[paper oriole]

if a juv deino died to pteras it deserved it anyway

[low canopy]

it was fun to bait young deinos out of water thinking they could take you on, dodge and alt bite spam em to death

[paper oriole]

it was fun following deinos down the whole river system pecking them whenever they surfaced

[honest sparrow]

You used to be able to outplay juvi deinos and kill them in the right circumstances

[paper oriole]

it was fun running away on foot to lure juv deinos away from water because a lot of them fell for that

[honest sparrow]

Mfs hunt with deino?

[paper oriole]

some players still fall for the dead fish on the shore tactic even

its surprising

[honest sparrow]

How

[paper oriole]

god knows

cant even say maybe theyre desperate because ai is so easy to find

[honest sparrow]

Oh yeah how normal is it for carno to shrug off being leg broken by pachy

[paper oriole]

last patch i felt so bad for deinos id even drag bodies to the water with my utah lmao

they really bland playables rn

yeah F

[honest sparrow]

Because yesterday I watched 2 adult pachies slam into like an 80% carno like at least 20 times, and it just never ran out of stam, or got broken for more than 10 seconds, or even seemed to lose health

[paper oriole]

hitboxes are shit, its possible a frac didnt eve register

or the carno was hacking because theres a lot of those still

[honest sparrow]

I saw it get knocked down a few times

I saw it limp, I heard it’s bones break

[paper oriole]

ive had carnos sprint after me for absurd lengths of time without slowing down when its clear they would be out of stam normally

oh, ig pachy really just sucks then

though i knew that

pachy almost relies on being with a group mate to survive carnos now

[honest sparrow]

Most balanced carnivore vs the most balanced herbivore (isle balans bad)

[paper oriole]

pre agility nerf, going in a cliffy area was a good way to trip up carnos but now they are almost as agile as utah

so unless they arent paying attention theyll have minimal issues

id do too, though it feels not worth it considering that carno will regrow effortlessly

yeah but it can like just run away from troo

troo would likely lower the carno pop for a bit as people switch to troo to try it out, but unless its busted op, carno pop would explode right back up again

[low canopy]

carno just goes to shallow water to neuter even the biggest troodon pack

[paper oriole]

probably immune to troo in a mud pit lol

[low canopy]

i would not put much weight on it

[paper oriole]

dont take the comments from devs to heart, maybe they intend to mke something work a certain way but how things actually end up being balanced is... another story often

always be prepared for disappointment. troodon will likely either be busted or broken upon release

magy needs literal superpowers to not suck

[manic flint]

I refuse to believe para will run from 1 allo

Para is too tall even for that

[paper oriole]

Yeah wtf was kissen thinking

I heard shes the herbi advocate dev but comments like that makes it look like ahe advocates for herbis being useless fodder

She also advocates for magy

[manic flint]

No way allos scaring para away

[manic flint]

Probably forgot how big para is

[manic flint]

I was about to send this but my wifi is bad

[paper oriole]

I had to rummage for it lol

[manic flint]

6.8 tons dies to 2.8 tons ah yes smart

Size doesn't always matter but come on

Para is stronger than Kissen thinks

Imo

[icy lion]

I'm getting pretty tired of the constant bashing of Kissen when she's explained herself multiple times.

[manic flint]

My apologies, I have never seen these messages
Her original message made it out that Para would run away from 1 allo

Although, even 2 or 3 allos should be wary taking on a huge para

[paper oriole]

The comment about mentioning allo's size as something para wouldnt want to go toe to toe with too

It wasn’t “why would para want to go toe to toe with a pack of animals that size”

[icy lion]

Note that the comment about para's size was made the same day as that comment

[paper oriole]

If they end up adding small para just to make it get punkd by allo it will be pretty disappointing too

[icy lion]

Which means that there's far more to interpret than "she advocates for herbis being useless fodder"

[manic flint]

It's just that the original comment made it seem like para can't fight an Allo rather than fighting is a bad idea in a survival game

As in current balance?

Or they should be weak

Imo para shouldn't really be running from something less than half its size

Yea

Teno and Pachy are pretty weak

[paper oriole]

Hadros shouldnt really be brawling, but they should dedinitely have means of defending themselves

Personally i see hadros using cc and trample as their main defense

Pushing their weight around

[manic flint]

From fellow pseudo mids and maybe Alberto
But Allo is 2.8 tons and para is 6.8, para should be able to trample an Allo and leave

[paper oriole]

They could easily bowl over a careless allo and stamp it

[manic flint]

It shouldn't be brawling like how teno can

Stun it for a while, discourage it, but para is an animal that won't outright kill that easily

[paper oriole]

I see hadros as something that deal quite minimal damage in their basic attacks, but can heavily punish CCed targets

This includes shant

[manic flint]

Definitely
Strong stomp/body slam attacks

From Allo though?

From Alberto sure
Sucho and Acro definitely
But Allo?

[paper oriole]

Shove a predator over and then it's a decision between trying to finish it off or to run away depending on your stamina situation or number of attackers

Axe allo is so outdated

[manic flint]

I mean
No it doesn't anymore

[manic flint]

Yea definitely

I also like irl spino but that's not happening

[paper oriole]

Allo will probably use its arms and be a bleeder similar to utah, grappling and bleeding, but hard to be sure yet

[manic flint]

Apparently Allo will have a pounce or something?

[paper oriole]

Bleed applications would suit it well as a sauropod hunting animal

https://tenor.com/view/sauropod-allosaurus-running-jumping-animal-gif-17282623

Lmao

[manic flint]

Para shouldn't need to run from these guys unless there is more than 1 or 2

It should be able to defend itself from these

[signal beacon]

But it's a hadrosaur!!!!! It doesn't have giant weapons so ots fodder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 🤬 🤬 🤬 ❌

[paper oriole]

Exaxtly, a para could wear the allo out easily in a 1v1 unless the allo is a god or they make para suck because “muh hadrosaur”

[manic flint]

Para runs away from these though

[paper oriole]

Except quetz lol

A utah will probably solo quetz

[manic flint]

Quetz counts as a small tier

[signal beacon]

Runs from utah?

[paper oriole]

Utah is in all the charts

[signal beacon]

Ah

[paper oriole]

He just a size comp like the human

[manic flint]

Like, if it's para sized or bigger para is leaving
If it's smaller than para it defends itself from a few but Runs from groups

[signal beacon]

Para runs from oxygen

[manic flint]

Meter

Metre by metre

[gritty slate]

why noone likes my idea? im completely confused what is wrong with it just tell me

[mint girder]

It shouldn’t be

Quetz should win Utah 1v1

That’s it tho

[signal beacon]

Because it wouldn't be very fun to randomly spawn as a walking eat me sign after you made a skin for camo

[unique shell]

where can we see the full stats of a dino?

i need to know how much a tail attack from full grown stego is

[signal beacon]

No. Apparently it's to prevent metagameing

[unique shell]

that is some bs

how am i to know how many hits my dino can take then

[signal beacon]

Learn the fun way

[unique shell]

must be in the game files i suppose

[gritty slate]

i understand but it could be a challenge for experienced players and you can still save your camo skin if you dont want to be albino

[manic flint]

Rng is bad in a survival game

[signal beacon]

Still. It should at least be optional. Randomly spawning at a huge disadvantage is dumb

[unique shell]

i dont get it though they dont want to share the exact stats because meta while the game itself is meta as hell

😂

[gritty slate]

okey i imagined it to be very rare but it can be optional my point was that players would get a reward for trying

[signal beacon]

Tbh the meta atm is "pick carno cause it's the only animal that works"

[unique shell]

dunno stego to me is the top dog meta build atm

[signal beacon]

If other animals weren't so bug ridden itd be better

[signal beacon]

Unless you wanna have a semi of fun

[unique shell]

well i asked in feedback today afhter the dino sex patch they could focus on preformance

so maby they will listen to me for once and make the game a bit more enjoyable

[signal beacon]

The dino... what patch?

[unique shell]

the whole egg laying and skin patch

you know eggs are made when mommy dino and daddy dino do the deed

[signal beacon]

That's little bird dances, not those animations

[unique shell]

i know

but i called it the dino se. patch xd

cus that is bassicly what it is

the isle is like a mc donalds hamburger it taste good but the more bites you take you feel how shallow and bad it really is

[signal beacon]

So... please, for the love of god, dont call it the sex patch. I need to power wash my brain after hearing that phrase

[unique shell]

whaha

well ima keep calling it like that 😛

[signal beacon]

Ayo

[icy lion]

Don't be immature

[signal beacon]

I am leaving life now. Goodbye

[unique shell]

how are we immature lol

that is exactly what it is lol

eggs dont come falling out of the sky ya know or come from a super market

[signal beacon]

Poor lunar came in and got assaulted by that fucking sentence

[unique shell]

dino mall get ya eggs now xd

[icy lion]

Don't egg him on

||get it? egg||

[unique shell]

have to say the reaction makes it even better

[signal beacon]

[icy lion]

But seriously, there's no need to be weird about it

Just leads to convos like this where any meaning is erased because of the language you use

[unique shell]

well i said what needed to be said i just hope preformance patch is next afhter it

ima head off and thus wish you a good day all

[icy lion]

Performance is always being worked on

[mint girder]

I liked it

Albinism should be super rare tho

[gritty slate]

that was my point thnx or only in nesting doesnt matter i take your ideas too

that is right i didnt think about that, but isnt it cool to make some challenge for some players? and get a achievement?

yes i would not like finding albinos all the time

communication is a way 😄

i imagine myself in game when i get albino skin i would tell myself, oh im screwed or i can try to survive and if i manage i get reward 😄

yeah another option and red eyes....

[manic flint]

You should be able to disable it before you spawn in though

[signal beacon]

I may not make it past adult without getting mauled by wolfs, but at least I got drip

[gritty slate]

another option!!! i like it ppl can chose

[tiny venture]

they need to fix the crocs grab like soon

im tired of them gettingout when i grab em

[tepid gate]

@broken thorn While the idea of making juvie carnivores work harder for diets is ok what you proposed there absolutely isn't. Hypsi doesn't even exist anymore from what I can see. I've heard a couple in the first days after the patch but I haven't actually seen one in ages. What you're proposing there is to make both terrestrial carnivores reliant on Rabbit AI(which is not the most uncommon AI but it's hardly the one that pops up the most). It would effectively make them incomparably harder to grow than herbivores.

which are easier to grow than most people make them out to be... they're just annoying to grow

[tight oxide]

wait

i open up this chat and first thing i saw is that

you should be glad if albinos are everywhere

that means you will never be ambushed ez

[limber hull]

@weary saffron im QA. I'd be in serious shit if I was a cheater. The idea is just extremely flawed

[weary saffron]

@limber hull please explain, as its already implemented in many other games?

[limber hull]

games like TF2 and arcade shooters, which are nothing like a survival game

[weary saffron]

day z? survival game - still doesn't make it flawed?

[limber hull]

if we had it, it'd lead to people memorising who killed them

and doing really boring shit like targeting

[solemn holly]

better then cheater my guy

[hazy sandal]

targeting how so, u would only temporarily see names of ppl u kill or who kill u, u would know someones name sure, but would have no way to apply that in finding them in game

[limber hull]

we have literally no way to tell if people are cheating

you guys know the tracking system is insane atm, right?

[hazy sandal]

yes, however if you've been sitting in a bush for 15 minutes making no noise then out of nowhere a carno runs straight to you and kills, then an admin would be able to monitor that person for any suspicious activity

[weary saffron]

yeah tracking someone if they are moving, but if you are sitting in a forest for the last 20 min and you have a carno charge you from out of nowhere, there is no way that isnt cheating/exploiting

lol ^^

[tepid gate]

you report something like this

every time I had it happen and reported it the guy ended up getting banned within minutes

[weary saffron]

yes.. but how do you report it when you dont know the names...

[hazy sandal]

thats the point you cant

their just a random nameless dino

[tepid gate]

Wdym "you cant" I literally did it three times and got those people banned.

[weary saffron]

not to mention, how do you know they got banned?

[hazy sandal]

theres no way to know their name, thats why "you cant"

[barren crater]

Slightly off topic-I feel like the timer between each track should be like 30 seconds max or something. Currently- you can leave someone and get their tracks a hot minute later

[tepid gate]

because the official server admin with whom I spoke told me they are banned?

[tepid gate]

I don't need to know their names

[hazy sandal]

then how would u report them??

[limber hull]

yea except when you log in, players can be seen through walls, foliage and everything else

lmao

[tepid gate]

The same way that you report getting stuck on official servers - you tag offical server admins: @.Official Server Admin (without the dot) and explain the situation to the administrators when they show up.

Idk what tools admins have but they were able to find the hackers every time I reported them

[limber hull]

frankly, i'd rather just be "killed by a carno" than "killed by (playername)"

[tepid gate]

I know in one situation they just watched the guy I spoke about and saw them doing stuff they shouldn't be able to do

[limber hull]

imagine playing a dinosaur, walking up to some other of your kind and they go "you killed me yesterday!" and fucking murder you

[weary saffron]

You dont know there name unless you die by them or be in a group with them?

[hazy sandal]

yeah ik, so what? You'd still need to clarify that fact, thats why you'd see their name, report it, then after an admin monitors them and concludes its not hacks, they chalk it up to loading into the server and seeing through the map

[limber hull]

or talk to then

i mean, we're getting the skin system

[last lily]

That actually happened to me , rip. I killed a baby deino sitting in the water, obviously exposed to everyone there can be(this was update 3, or update 3.75 by the way), upstream past the waterfalls into shallows. Me and another juvenile stego just chilling and the deino baby I killed came back and tried to kill us as a baby stego(he failed).

Just amusing I find.

[tepid gate]

Why do you need their name for that? The admin can determine whether they are hacking or not without knowing their names.

[frozen heron]

People will find ways to be assholes however they can lul

[tepid gate]

You just tell explain to them what happened and they go on and do their thing

[weary saffron]

you could tell the admin the exact name, and time instead of trying to explain where you were etc

[tepid gate]

So what? It doesn't change anything aside from the fact that you can't do revenge killing

[hazy sandal]

because most of the time admins are lazy or busy and cant get around to that, and if they do that person will be long gone, it'd be way easier to just drop a name and clip

[tepid gate]

you can just say - Carno around the western river

[weary saffron]

honestly, im pretty sure everyone does revenge killing anyway

if you got killed by your own kind, what would you do if you see them again?

let them kill you again?

[tepid gate]

How many times have you reported a hacker?

[tepid gate]

I'd kill them no matter what kind they were

[weary saffron]

Then whats wrong with finding the name?

just gives admin a chance to look for the name

[tepid gate]

Because I can target them specifically?

[frozen heron]

It opens up more ways for people to be dicks

[limber hull]

i'd rather use skins in the coming update. I was killed by a blue carno on a specific server in this location. The admins are smart enough to figure out where to go from there

[weary saffron]

dicks in every game unfortunately

[frozen heron]

Not the point im making

[hazy sandal]

That's irrelavent, the point is that admins arent going to be on activly going around the map tryna catch hackers everytime someone reports a hacker

[tepid gate]

it's very relevant

[weary saffron]

how is that any different then naming someone @limber hull

[sick wagon]

I am having the worst luck with bugs. First my adult carno glitches out and now my juvenile teno gets launched into space. @_@''

[hazy sandal]

man you have to listen to what im saying, admins arent going to be actively

patrolling the map, their too busy or too loazy too care

[tepid gate]

Once again - how many times did you report someone for hacking?

[limber hull]

more immersive, that's all. Also I don't care who kills me

[hazy sandal]

a much better, more efficient method is to report someone, then when that person gets reported enough and available admin can go watch them and they'll get banned if they are hacking, how can u not understand this??

[limber hull]

yep, and that already happens

without names

[tepid gate]

it doesn't even take that long

I know that because I actually did report people for hacking

you would also know it if you did that

[frozen heron]

How was the moon trip

[tepid gate]

I have never ever had a situation where admins were "too lazy" to look for someone

[weary saffron]

@tepid gate how do you know they got banned for hacking? the reply you get is "we will deal with it" then you see the same person on when you check the player list each time when you know its them because your on the AU server with 4 other people and 3 of them are people you are playing with

[tepid gate]

Nope, it's not "we will deal with it", I literally had one of the admins tell me that the whole group(three Carnos, back on update 3.5) were hacking and got banned.

[hazy sandal]

@tepid gate idk what special treatment you've had, but there is just not enough admins or ones that care enough to actively come in game and look around for hackers everytime a report comes in, and the entire reason that names on death would be a good idea

[tepid gate]

I was informed about what happened to those people

[weary saffron]

and ive talked to admins about this stuff before (also sent video proof of the hacks) ... still nothing gets done, and ill agree with dusty, they are too busy with other things

[frozen heron]

Why do you assume admins "dont care"? Theyre admins for a reason

[tepid gate]

my special treatment is caused by the fact that I can actually bother to tag the official admins on discord when I see a hacker running around.

[frozen heron]

And i'm sure they'd get their ass beat if a player reported a hacker to them and they went "eh whatever"

[hazy sandal]

jesus man, how many times do i need to repeat, even they cared its not enough to check every server every time theres a report

[barren crater]

Rather than knowing their names, why not have a report system where it doesn't show their name? Like its anonymous but you can still report it in game and the admins can see the information? Idk about the possibility of that though

[weary saffron]

yeah that can work, or even a code that only admins can read and all you need to do is copy paste it

[hazy sandal]

even better, solves the whole "targeting" issue

[weary saffron]

quick and effect way to let the admins know

[hazy sandal]

anyway ive said enough

[solemn holly]

all in that said it would cause less trouble if put into the game an help get rid of cheaters

[solemn holly]

agreed

[sick wagon]

Fantastic lol

Here's the footage

[limber hull]

those minecraft strats to land in water tho lmao

[sick wagon]

LOL

[empty epoch]

@barren crater That's actually a really good idea

it stops, mostly, player harassment

And would absolutely work if it's not bugged

[barren crater]

I was going to add that maybe they can incorporate a replay system that admins can see or something? Idk. Like a short recording of the area to see what has happened. However I decided not to, seeing as it may not be possible. Not sure. like a third person kill cam?

also it was mainly dirty gaming's idea- I just expanded on it since others didn't like certain parts of it, and I thought the overall idea was great

[empty epoch]

Maybe admins having the ability to turn on "All server accessible" replay system- or just admin replay

[empty epoch]

yeah but your one stops others from getting harassed by casuals getting killed

[barren crater]

Yeah something for only admins to see, since in legacy, you could find peoples information and then harass them after checking the replays

Reporting system should be detailed imo

[empty epoch]

Yes

[barren crater]

I feel like conceptually, it's a great idea with many benefits to officials and community servers. Someone's harassing you in game through text? report. Through voice for mercs? report. etc

And obviously hacking

[empty epoch]

yes

[barren crater]

I feel like if this is done, then we can actively punish hackers and people who harass others. At the very least make it a better community. Since currently- you need to do third party reporting through discord

[empty epoch]

it could work

[barren crater]

Very much so

[empty epoch]

yes

[fierce lintel]

much yes so yes

[topaz plaza]

@burnt prairie Those checks aren't very indicative of the process tbf. It would be if they spread out the objectives by like a 1000. but 10 tasks means that most likely some of those tasks might be halfway or close to finished.

[paper oriole]

Double ptera stam AND give it stam regen while flying?

Take away the tiny bit of skill required to fly with ptera and make it even more of a spectator mode, more like

[urban flax]

I would like a better and more realistic flight system
But regarding everything else, ptera is fine

[paper oriole]

Its current flight system is very manageable and it can already make very good distance. Some people just want to fly in to the upper atmosphere or some shit

[urban flax]

It's not a problem of difficulty for me, it's the opposite
It's actually too easy, and quite boring
It's almost like godmode flying in minecraft

[paper oriole]

Its actually incredible how well ptera floes considering how much other simpler systems get utterly fucked up on release and stay bad for a long time

[paper oriole]

I hope weather adds some fun challenge to ptera flight

Winds, rain, heavy fog

[urban flax]

Yeah
Thermals too

[paper oriole]

Oh yeah those were a thing, hope they come in with the rain system

[urban flax]

Weather system is gonna change so much in the game

Unless it's just like Legacy rain, which does nothing but disable your scent

[paper oriole]

Legacy rain does nothing fun. Sometimes its a relief when youve had a pesky giga on your ass and you can finally lose it easier but thats the limit of it

[urban flax]

Flying rocks would be a little too much, this is not Just Cause

[paper oriole]

Hail storms

[urban flax]

Yeah but that's never gonna happen

That's kinda the same problem

Environment killing players with no counterplay

[sick dirge]

Not if it’s you

[urban flax]

Hiding in a cave for hours just because the game decided to say "stay inside or you die" is not really an interesting gameplay experience

[paper oriole]

BoB moment

[urban flax]

That's why there are no natural disasters in The Isle

This is not BoB server

[paper oriole]

Oh no its raining your dino is uncomfy you better hide under that tree for 40 minutes

Also the lightning killing peoples dinos

I hope lightning can hit people in the isle too but only if they’re standing on metal structures because that would be hilarious

Doubt itll happen

Ptera makes a nest on the radio tower, every baby gets fried

[urban flax]

There'll probably be ways of getting struck by lightning in the future
Like pissing off a neuro spino

[paper oriole]

Yeah but thats so rare

[urban flax]

Well you don't want everyone to die by lightning every 15 minutes either

[paper oriole]

If somebody is standing on some metal structure in severe weather theyre asking for it

[tidal rose]

AI used to be a natural disaster till they toned it down. I basically felt like getting hit by lightning whenever carno AI ran up mach 5 and murdered you lol

[paper oriole]

The boar hauling over a giant boulder at light speed oneshotting my hypsi may as well have been a lightning strike

Bzzzzzzzrt

[unreal ridge]

I would love to show an example of a bird using its wing as a weapon

but then I'd get banned for 2 birds basically slap boxing one another

[urban flax]

Why do you want ptera to have a grab/pin/whatever it is ?

[unreal ridge]

cus animal violence or distress or whatever

[unreal ridge]

Because its very time consuming and frustrating to have 1 attack , now to give credit where credit is due, the pteranodon bite its pretty effective and powerful, but its very hard to aim and throws off new players from pteranodon besides being the map exploration dino

[urban flax]

Ptera isn't really a fighter

[unreal ridge]

well thats the thing

this attack would take a long time to actually kill a healthy juvenile, to try and incorporate some strategy into pteranodons playstyle

[urban flax]

If it's not more powerful than the bite why have it in the first place
Why would you add onto the kit of an animal that isn't a fighter a fighting tool that isn't even effective

[unreal ridge]

having a hyspi right where you want him away from the herd only for him to run back is kind of meh feeling in my opinion, but being able to punish that hyspi from straying too far would add some excitement

[urban flax]

Pinning is a really specific and non-interactive game mechanic, it should be reserved for some animals that are specialized into killing isolated foes
Not for ptera

[unreal ridge]

Its a punishing strategy, players would either learn how to use it effectively, or learn how to use the bite properly, which would I think make pteranodon more fun to play
and now since utah has it on its diet for some reason, there should probably be more pteranodon players

[unreal ridge]

yeah I see your point

I would just be happy if pteranodon could pick up a dead hyspi

[urban flax]

That would be fine

I don't think ptera even snatches creatures when it kills them in one bite, right ?

That is a problem

[paper oriole]

WTF another one of these “ptera’s claws” suggestions

what claws

[urban flax]

Yes post the picture Mira

[unreal ridge]

what claws?

ptera has no claws

[paper oriole]

Man i lost the picture one sec lmao

[urban flax]

damn
You had ONE job

[urban flax]

[paper oriole]

Ptera's claws

[unreal ridge]

Im just saying ptera would basically lay on a creature while beating down on it not grabbing it with claws

[paper oriole]

That ptera would get its shit beat in so bad

[unreal ridge]

My original idea was ptera to try and hold on while something like a baby and using its wings as a parachute to slow it down, then just grab the head and shake it to death

giving the prey time to run to safety

[paper oriole]

Im sure when actual hatchlings come ptera will be pecking small tier hatchlings to death and carrying them off just fine and thats good enough

[unreal ridge]

Yeah, lets hope

[paper oriole]

Wtf would it hold the target with? Its flimsy useless feet that are also very restricted by the wing membrane in flight? Its pathetic fish forceps?

[unreal ridge]

its weird spindly feet and its grubby hands

[paper oriole]

Its feet and hands are useless especially in flight

Even when gliding they are restricted

[unreal ridge]

how much does pteranodon weigh in the game?

[paper oriole]

Idk like 45 or something

[unreal ridge]

45kg or lbs?

[paper oriole]

Isle uses kg

Shut

[unreal ridge]

i think that should be enough to weigh down a baby

[paper oriole]

Its 100lb

[unreal ridge]

just like dropping ontop

[paper oriole]

Bruh you were 25 off

No

Also pt is literally here to eat fish, eat dead body and be annoying it isnt an active predator

[unreal ridge]

then why the hell is hyspi on its diet

theres no way a ptera is going to find a dead hyspi

[paper oriole]

Idk the devs dont know what theyre doing, hypsi is a forest animal

[unreal ridge]

it really isnt

[paper oriole]

A forest centric animal is one of the last things that should be on pt diet

[unreal ridge]

I vote we change hyspi out for idk something like uhhhh

ah i got it

[paper oriole]

They probably put it there just because pt could oneshot it before

[unreal ridge]

stego

[paper oriole]

Yeah idk if it can now

I barely get the chance to alt peck a hypsi

Man

[unreal ridge]

hyspi is also super fast and agile

theres no way you can catch it if it gets into a forest

[paper oriole]

Yeah and its diet foods are forest centric

[unreal ridge]

eh potato potato

[paper oriole]

A fast, agile forest animal is just wrong for ptera

Shut

[unreal ridge]

eh my idea was stoopid

hyspi is not a good dinosaur, too much vomit

yucky

[paper oriole]

Picking babies up and dropping them off a cliff should be a regular job for quetz. Quetz can also chase babies on land and fight them better because its built for running as well as flying

[unreal ridge]

quetz would just impale them and swallow them whole

like a smart pterosaur instead of herding them off a cliff

[paper oriole]

True but it can also just brutalize them for fun

[unreal ridge]

i think that would be more useful for hunting AI herds of like dryo I guess

but even then dryo could just get one tapped by shrek- i mean quetz

all da power is in da neck

[mint girder]

Without power then it’s just ptera

[unreal ridge]

he too high up

[mint girder]

If it’s bad then why make it a thing

[unreal ridge]

cant reach

[paper oriole]

This is a prehistoric wildlife moment

[mint girder]

Nobody wants a bigger ptera

And it wasn’t that

[paper oriole]

@austere crane why

[mint girder]

It will

[paper oriole]

It isn’t ugly, prehistoric wildlife charts are ugly

But it is just an ava clone

[unreal ridge]

the quetz and ptera thing could go 2 ways

in the sky pteras just tear apart quetz wings like a fighter jet taking out a bomber
OR
pteranodon could be like scouts for quetz finding hidden away nests for quetz to raid and eat all the babys

[manic flint]

We already have 7 ceratopsians we don't need more

[mint girder]

Just because it hunts small game doesn’t mean it’s weak

[unreal ridge]

next isle update

replacing all dinosaurs with ceratopsians

[mint girder]

Or ptera leaves quetz alone because it’s outmatched

[silver zephyr]

The isle out here with only 2 confirmed flyers and people are unironically suggesting more ceratopsians

[unreal ridge]

because you've got 2 fliers

big boy and fish man

[mint girder]

Lol

Make quetz kill Utah in 2 shots

[unreal ridge]

we dont need 30 sky giraffes

[paper oriole]

Replace boar ai with prehistoric wildlife daeodon

[mint girder]

That beak looks powerful enough to kill

[mint girder]

Takes long to grow so no

[unreal ridge]

why not 1 shot? quetz N. could impale it probably

[mint girder]

Too op

1 shot headshot tho

[unreal ridge]

utah would just run away tho

[mint girder]

I know but it shouldn’t hunt Utah

It should just beat it easily

[unreal ridge]

quetzal would be incredibly clunky near the ground unless landed

[mint girder]

Because if it’s bad I won’t want to use it

[unreal ridge]

quetz vs utah would be evenly matched imo

[silver zephyr]

What

[unreal ridge]

cus quetz would have to land to have accurate bites and then utah packs could all pounce on it as it lands

just matters who gets bit first

[mint girder]

Graceful animal

Yeah in real life but then it was 2x bigger

[silver zephyr]

Strength and viability are 2 different things

[mint girder]

In game Utah can’t

[unreal ridge]

well i mean

[mint girder]

Nobody’s gonna use it if it dies to one Utah

[unreal ridge]

if a utah pounced on couldnt it just use its noodle neck to turn around and pluck the utah off like a tick

[mint girder]

I don’t need it

Since it isn’t in the game

Not if this is a hypothetical statement

Why would you want them to add a bad animal

Why the hell would you want them to waste six months on Utah fodder

[topaz plaza]

@tepid gate have you ever tried running around the same spot for a while when being tracked?

Do you know what happens to your tracks?

[tepid gate]

Well, my impression is mainly based on me tracking others not so much me running away. The last time I was being tracked I merely ran through river which kind of solves the issue but I don't think this is something that can be done reliably.

As for running in place, I have serious doubts about that, by the time you're running in place your tracker might just show up and see you running in circles. I'm not sure if that should be the go-to method.

[topaz plaza]

Well, it is. If you know you're being followed, just keep running in the same area randomly. The tracks will become a fumbled mess and he wont be able to tell which tracks lead to which

i've done it several times. works every time

[tepid gate]

Although i have done it a couple of times in early Evrima just to confuse people that were following me.

[topaz plaza]

its not in circles, it random lines around the same place

[mint girder]

Give a reason

[tepid gate]

The point stands, if you spend a lengthy time while being tracked by someone that gives a relatively high chance of them just showing up. It is something that can be done but it relies on you having relatively a big advantage on the person pursuing you.

[topaz plaza]

also, you can do this while in combat either way.

this obviously doesn't work if you're in the plains though. only in dense forests

[mint girder]

Tracking is broken

[topaz plaza]

No, it doesn't. even if he catches up you're still running and evading attacks

[meager tiger]

Isnt quetz the size of a giraffe?

And utah is the size of a large bear

so qoudnlt quetz win? It's wayyy bigger?

[paper oriole]

It only looks big

Its basically on stilts, its very lightweight

It weighs less than utah

Yeah unless pin gets reworked by that time, utah will be able to pin quetz

[manic flint]

Quetz is 250kg
Utah is 450kg

[meager tiger]

So basically a large deer lol

[manic flint]

I mean you can't be too heavy and be able to fly

[quartz copper]

I think a Quetzalcoatl peck could hit the Utah Raptors a lot. However, something like this is unlikely to happen. Even though Quetzalcoatl is bigger, staying on the ground is quite dangerous for him. poor rotation, large wings, quite slow run, a fairly fast dinosaur is enough to jump on his neck and bleed him out, moreover, Quetzalcoatl needs an incredible amount of strength to lift his body in order to hit the air, it is not an animal designed for spinning stunt flying a to glide gently over the heads of other dangers. so summing all Quetzalcoatl misses the utah, Utah bites his neck or destroys his wing (the bones of flying creatures are quite brittle) and kills Quetzalcoatl.

[paper oriole]

i could see a skilled quetz take down a mediocre utah, especially if it has great walking turn nd can counter a pounce with a slap form its beak

but generally, utah would be an extremely risky target for quetz

quetz doesnt exactly look slow on land, but definitely slower than utah

[quartz copper]

Imagine quetz hit and his beak sticks to the ground xD

the quetz should not fly close to the ground

[paper oriole]

probably not but idk we have to wait and see what they have planned for it

[quartz copper]

I guess he would use huge amounts of Stam in the game because Quetz uses the wind current high above the ground and low he could get tired quickly flapping his wings

so in a hypothetical scenario, quetz sees an adult Utahraptor from the air (something like a telescope zoom), decides to go lower, close to the ground, air currents do not work as well as higher, so he starts to descend quickly, so player is forced to hold the space button to stay awake which costs large amounts of Stam, Utah turns fast on the ground, a quetz needs a long way to make a circle in the air, but a flying giraffe. Quetz loses Stam as a result of constant flapping of his wings (no air currents mentioned above), he falls to the ground, he is helpless on the ground. Utah jumps backwards, one bite on his neck, arteries and quetz dies

hypothetically, the diet of Quetzalcoatl would consist of fish, other smaller flyers and ultimately small dinosaurs that would catch by surprise by the body and soar into the air with them, certainly not attacking the utahraptor or other theropod that are simply used to killing larger such like teno or stego, he wouldn't risk it with his life. only what would he descend to the ground to get a drink.

[paper oriole]

quetz shouldnt be a fisher

there are quite a few upcoming small dinos quetz could body in a confrontation

[ashen wasp]

Quetz shouldnt specialize in fishing but with its long legs and reach afforded by the neck and bill i can easily see it being an opportunistic piscivore, same as how a clever Utah or Carno can snag an elite fish near the shore if they're quick enough

[quartz copper]

rather he would fly over the ocean, where he could glide like today's albatrosses, he would rather not want a confrontation with deino.

[silver rose]

Anybody else noticing that gators have a transparent silhouette when they swim underwater? I am not sure whether to put this in gen feedback or submit a bug or what.

[ashen wasp]

why wouldn't Quetz be viable?? it's a large flier

[quartz copper]

because it is very easy to crush, its size does not give it any positives

just a flying giraffe, with a sharp beak, quite weak on land, easy to deceive to slip away, although knowing dev the Isle gives Quetzalcoatl the ability to fly one meter above the ground, 200BiteForce and everyone will appoint him so I have a feeling.

a similar situation with the tail of the stego, through the tree, collision of something like that, let's make the tail of the stego an indestructible laser that cuts everything, resistance in the water, no, first of all, let's give him the opportunity to swing his tail and in the water to make it funny and fun.

[lyric spoke]

someone mentioned legacy branch will be removed in july?

[quartz copper]

so far the Isle is not a simulator, at most a simulator of camping as stego in the water for an alligator. Believe me, if a huge alligator attacks a stegosaur, it grabs its tail and stego is helpless because it is not strong enough to move the tail that the huge alligator is holding. So far in the Isle stego is unlimited strength, alive with a lawn mower with a laser on the tail that cuts through rocks and trees

[ashen wasp]

viability doesnt equal combat effectiveness. Quetz benefits just as much from the ability to quickly avoid unnecessary confrontation as other animals do from being able to curbstomp their enemies.

also i dont know under what circumstances a Deino would lunge for a Stego's tail, a spiky, tapered target held above and behind the bulk of the animal, over its head, which is relatively easy to grasp and within reach of a crocodillian, especially if that Stego is drinking

[paper oriole]

presto >>>>>>>>>> kapro

[tepid gate]

"It'd be pretty horrifying seeing an alligator gallop towards you at Tenon speed"
...it is until you realise that this alligator reaches maybe your knee

meaning that even a Utah eats it alive

[paper oriole]

a solo utah would kick kapro's ass

[tepid gate]

^

[paper oriole]

presto can go toe to toe with cerato

[tepid gate]

presto would just throw Cerato around if the two were to fight

[paper oriole]

that could definitely happen

[tepid gate]

iirc it has like half a tonne on Cerato

[paper oriole]

yeah hes pretty heavyset

[tepid gate]

I'd say that overall Presto is what a tonne of people assume Cerato to be

[limber hull]

@fast stratus the public wasn't meant to have that menu and probably won't have it again. Sorry man

[fast stratus]

Well, ngl, it was the best thing they have done. I feel that the devs should make it public. One of their best accidental additions to evrima. It makes admining so much easier.

It really is one of the best fucking things these devs have done

And I don't say that lightly

I have said it before and I will say it again, these devs have made some stupid decisions imo, but this was one of the good accidents.

[limber hull]

im pretty sure its what the devs use to access any animal, including ones not meant to be used by the public

like when the devs ran around with troodon

or with the human test model

[fast stratus]

Then make a version that doesn't have access to the dev only creatures, I want to see this back

[potent arrow]

I like that theri doesnt have arm feathers. Though i wouldn't mind if arm feathers were an option with the skin system.

[last lily]

Arm feathers nice. Arm feathers good. Doesn't need to be a huge fan/wing, but just some more would be nice.

[ashen wasp]

at least give Cheirus wings

[empty epoch]

No

It's a fish bird
No need to fly

[empty epoch]

@dense rover

Did you mean to post that in #general-feedback? 🤨

[dense rover]

?

[rare fractal]

@idle ibex BTW there's already a small pool on the beach

[empty epoch]

the post in #phase-three-requests

[dense rover]

nah, this is a request not a suggestion

[empty epoch]

to see in Phase Two?
Pretty that channel is to see development, not request things we don't know

[limber hull]

imagine calculating a value for each individual raindrop holy shit

[tidal rose]

Wait the music thing is a bug?

I thought it was a feature

[urban flax]

If there is a slider for music that doesn't disable music, then it's probably a bug

[tidal rose]

yeah it doesnt go lower than 1

okay ill report it

[worthy plover]

Nope, i spawned in after the update and immediately shat myself when that trex boss music started playin. After my mini heart attack, i looked around and there was nothin. Yeah i just turned music audio all the way down

[urban flax]

Not even counting that "water ragdoll" thing
Like interactive water isn't laggy enough already

[paper oriole]

Another one of these smh

That ehole scenario sounds like the utah deserves to get bit/killed

Stupid mistakes from uncoordinated groups in pvp shouldn’t be forgiven

[outer condor]

We need to remove friendly fire because I want to viciously attack and maul my packmates with no consequences

[tidal rose]

@craggy ice I disagree lol, music only hinders you in a survival game

[tight oxide]

Me baiting stegos to tail swipe their friends

I had a stego kill its teno friend because it tried to swipe with no braincells thinking that it wouldnt hit teno but only me

[paper oriole]

Baiting friendly fire is a long-used tried and true combat method against groups and it should stay that way

[craggy ice]

i usually keep music off unless im in a good spot

[tidal rose]

I made an adult stego kill its juvie as a ptera. All i had to do was be annoying enough and the adult slipped up eventually

[paper oriole]

People become blinded by rage and it is fun to take advantage of

Easy to do as ptera and hypsi and doesnt ever really get old

[sick dirge]

Made a carno kill a juvi carn as a Utah once

Very fun, 10/10

[worthy plover]

Nice 😂

[tidal rose]

I made a carno accidentally kill another carno as a ptera. I crash landed mid large scale skirmish and I was too annoying I guess. A carno ran right towards me and rammed his buddy instead and the stunned buddy got killed by a steg

got it recorded too lol

[faint hornet]

Post it

[paper oriole]

these wannabe bird of prey ptera suggestions are well past being old

[sick dirge]

Ptera doesn’t have the feet for that

[paper oriole]

or the beak tbh

[urban flax]

Or the niche

[sick dirge]

Lmao

[lusty seal]

hypsilophidon doesnt have any growth, which excludes a big part of playables

[paper oriole]

No.

I was saying no to using the feet like this

[lusty seal]

yeah

[paper oriole]

1. Ptera cant really use its feet much in flight because the wing membrane attaches at the legs
2. Ptera feet

Take rabbits off its diet cus its stupid

Hypsi too tbh. Both those things shouldnt be on pt diet

Not for grabbing lol

[uneven mist]

ptera should have corpses on its diet again

[paper oriole]

Yeah when gore comes pt will probably have carcasses back on its diet

And when nesting comes it should have eggs and/or hatchlings as a nutrient option too

[uneven mist]

tru

[paper oriole]

But it isnt a damn bird, it isnt built like a bird, its feet arent good

Still a grab, its feet are too shit for that

Youre right there, it isnt supposed to grab with feet

It doesn’t need this

Another reason it doesnt need this

Pt doesn’t need it though. Should we also gice theropods a tail swing that knocks them over when they use it? In case they wanna do that. Gice deino a claw attack that drains 50% of its stam in case people want to use their hands as deino

The rest might be fine but idk how dumb it would look

Im sure pt could kick with its feet and totally fuck up its flight momentum if you want high skill ceiling fighting for it but either way it’s unnecessary

Thats not as stupid as trying to grab literally anything with its atrophied little pasta feet

So why not ig

Yes.

Little farfalles

[sick dirge]

You mean like knock it over?

Oh

But the membrane attaches so that would game end it’s flight

Also my comment was referring to the pick up suggestion, not yours

[worthy plover]

And a bugger. Annoying little thing lol

[tender ridge]

Re: Ptera foot attack, I would love to be able to swoop down and grab a compy or a small Utah. It should be like a hawk attack where it lands quickly, pins, and then takes off again.

[compact hare]

With those flip flop looking feet?

[pulsar lantern]

islecord when jp raptor:
islecord when jp Ptera:

[worthy plover]

Honestly, anything involving feet wouldnt be a good idea for the ptera. I think a fast wing beat to dodge backwords might be a good idea

But thats not attacking so idk

[compact hare]

They barelly have claws and toes, the feet are just a straight up rectangle

[pulsar lantern]

oh yeah I forgot that islecord are realism addicts half the time anyways

[worthy plover]

That is what the devs are goin for

Lol

Also what does the JP stand for

[sacred moat]

Hunt?

[paper oriole]

Easy solution is to remove hypsi and rabbits from its diet once gore is in

[sacred moat]

Hypsi is objectively bad for ptera

And rabbits

Rabbits can burrow and hypsi THRIVES in jungles

[sacred moat]

[paper oriole]

When gore and nesting is in too pt will have no need at all to hunt fast moving targets. Putting a fast rodent and a small forest dino on pt diet was a stupid thing to begin with but ig they just wanted something there while the more logical sources arent in yet

[sacred moat]

Eggs gore and fish for the win

[paper oriole]

I want to peck the eyes out of a dead carno

[sacred moat]

I’d leave crabs on its diet too

[paper oriole]

Yeah crabs and turtles are fine

Two slow coastal animals are easy for pt to nab

Frogs can stay too just as an option, they are a bitch to catch but they make sense

[sacred moat]

Ptera is the worse “hunter” in game. If a juvi utah is able to out compete you at hunting, find a new niche

[paper oriole]

It was fun to kill juv carnos and deinos while it lasted but alas, pt doesn’t need to do that

It was basically sport killing by the time diets came anyway

[sacred moat]

Ntm it’s so easy to get away from ptera, even in the plains

[paper oriole]

Run in to some woods and just hear the pt crash behind you

[sacred moat]

Run into a bush and hug the tree, your average ptera will crash into it over they will crash into you

[paper oriole]

Its always fun being hypsi, on pt diet when i shouldnt be, then running in to some palm trees and demonstrating why. The sound of a pt smacking in to a tree at full speed and going “gweah” never gets old

[sacred moat]

I blinded a ptera once and it flew into a sub stego it was amazing

[paper oriole]

A professional sniper hypsi hit my pt while i was flying trying to feed me to his deino friends lol. They were using another dead pt as bait it was pretty funny

Hypsi really has no business on pt diet and will hopefully be replaced by carcass, and rabbit replaced by eggs/hatchlings

[sacred moat]

I’d prefer eggs over hatching, especially if the diet is still selective species. Bc bc then you’d run into the problem of “which hatchlings should be on pteras diet” or “no one plays this dino so I’ll never get a hatchling to fill my diet. Eggs can be universal or maybe separated into large/medium/small eggs that give different amounts of nutrients based off of their size

[paper oriole]

True, and both put it in to a position of raiding a nest which is a fun and risky task regardless

[tight oxide]

imagine music that plays when you discover a land mark

like found a pond?

rock formation?

[icy lion]

That currently happens with the human buildings, it'd be cool if it was expanded to other landmarks too

[limber hull]

why do people get so torn up about ptera, the animal that subsists primarily on fish, crabs and other AI perfectly fine, not being hunting players, despite being a relatively tiny animal. Just because you found it in the carnivore section does not mean you need to play it as a hunter

[paper oriole]

Exactly. Its like people see anything on the carnivore faction and demand it to be nothing less than a jurassic park murder machine

[last lily]

I feel like only a handful of people look at Ptera's model and anatomy, and realize that this thing is completely incapable of grappling prey with them...
Weak little leg baby man that is basically just a bunch of skin a tiny bit of muscle and bone. It's already got the best survivability out of any animal in the cast with only a handful of ways to actually die... which includes annoying Utah's which is honestly kind of fun.. but also if you die it's really only on you.

-Not sure why they had to put diets on it though... I mean it's just fine scavenging and eating fish.. Why are Hypsi and rabbits even on there, it's not a falcon or owl. We could really benefit from a more diverse cast though, so that it isn't ONLY Ptera in the skies... and Quetz in the future but I don't see Quetz as necessarily being great at hunting Pteranodon.. Does leave the question on what the hell would make a good aerial predator for it though, that could actually benefit the cast as a whole(without being a BoB Tropeo situation)

[lyric spoke]

bull, there's so little to play outside of Carno Teno Utah Pachy that can actually have fun fighting players. ptera was fine when it came out given how small the roster is and how small it will stay for at least a year from now. but they've made it worse and worse as if theres enough of a roster to support this stupid bird being any fun hiding from danger and eating crabs.

they couldn't just leave it alone until more suitable hunters are released, for a reason that I still cannot understand.

[vital plover]

Ptera should neither be a hyper aggressive killing machine nor a peaceful fish eater. Just look at modern birds, they can be pretty aggressive, even if they are not birds of prey. My pet birds are omnivores from the starling family, but I have to keep them away from hatches of other species, otherwise they'd peck them to death and eat them. Chickens and ducks kill and eat mice.

Although Pteras are mainly designed for fish eating, I don't think they'd miss the chance to kill and eat smaller dinos or reptiles. And they should definitely be able to at least cause enough damage to chase invaders away, like birds do when you come to close to their nests. When a tiny juvi can easily kill a huge reptile like that, it's just stupid and unrealistic. Ptera has a huge beak, it should be able to use it to poke some holes (maybe not so much damage but bleed).

This is not a fully realistic game, either. When a species is completely useless, and you have nothing to do but eat and fly around, nobody will play it.

[paper oriole]

"when a tiny juvie can easily kill a huge reptile". ptera weighs less than a juv utah lol

yeah i know ptera shouldnt be pacifist but its not a huge reptile by any means and its pool of victims aint gonna be big, and it shouldnt be. when nesting comes maybe pt can be a menace, when we have more smalls like homalo and more actual small juvies then sure, but not in the roster right now. pt isnt an active predator and it shouldnt be

[limber hull]

frankly, its diet could honestly be

• fish
• ambient AI (fresh), primarily crabs and turtles
• carcass (can be of mildly rotting quality)

and it would work

i'd put eggs there but sneaky egg thief ptera is a bit controversial

[last lily]

Raccoon Ptera

[limber hull]

i mean, it'd def give players more to interact with

idk, the whole "eating hatchlings" thing just sounds like quetz-lite

i'd give ptera an entirely different niche

[last lily]

I don't think I'd mind a perk that just turns Ptera into a seagull able to eat garbage and rotten scraps... or something-shrug-

[limber hull]

seagull ptera is ideal imho

the thing has major seagull energy

[limber hull]

listen to how it calls

that is a fucking seagull 100%

[last lily]

Pretty fish eating flying reptile vs rat on wings: pick your ptera style

[limber hull]

lives by water, won't shut the fuck up, is MEANT to live on fish yet actively refuses to go fishing and eats everyone else's food, needlessly aggressive despite being a tiny, tiny animal, eats garbage, and is generally an unwelcome presence anywhere

seagull energy

that is what ptera should, and already does, embody

[last lily]

I want Quetz players to have a tendency to despise Ptera mains.

[limber hull]

absolutely

pteras should pester the fuck out of quetz

[unreal plover]

if quetz gets added there will be like 2 ptera players

[last lily]

Gang wars in the sky. Quetz's liking their cool elegant design while actually hunting small game and a diet that benefits them. While Ptera's are rats that annoy the hell out of them for being so damn posh

[vital plover]

Which is not realistic given their respective body size.

[limber hull]

what

it is entirely realistic

ptera was estimated at around 40-50kg

because it's a flying animal

flying animals often have larger, lighter bodies

a quetz, despite being as tall as a giraffe, weighed around 250kg

[vital plover]

Non avian dinosaurs were also light weight, hollow bones etc. And we are talking about juvi Uthas which are around the size of a cat, so no more than few kilos

[paper oriole]

nah ptera's size/weight is pretty accurate now

utah isnt even a utah also

its a jurassic park ripoff vs a comparitavely accurately built ptera

[limber hull]

yep

[paper oriole]

so not much can be said about the density of our 'raptor's' bones aside from what the game stats suggest

since some animals in the isle have highly fictional builds while others remain pretty paleo-accurate

[limber hull]

its fine in a game such as the Isle because they can legit lore their way out

replicator baybee

[paper oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/anchorman-science-its-science-gif-20674302

isle excuse for all inaccurate dinos

also ptera can still 2 shot eachother so im happy enough with it

[vital plover]

The "Utah" is clearly a dromeosaur and they are all very bird like. An adult Utah should overpower a ptera, but a juvi? Nah.

[limber hull]

honestly pterosaurs having insane bite forces for their size is kind of funny

i hope quetz also gets a ridiculous bite to weight ratio

[paper oriole]

quetz should utright impale a utah, though in turn it would also take high damage in return. glass cannon build quetz

it is lighter than utah after all

quetz, a giraffe sized animal lighter than a utah. doesnt make juv utah weighting more than ptera look too ridiculous at all

[vital plover]

Nobody wants insane bite force, just a bit more realism

[paper oriole]

ehhhhhhhhhh

[limber hull]

ptera is already realistic

[vital plover]

Even if, nobody will play it if it stays like that

[paper oriole]

the isle defies realism pretty regularly, its boundaries are best determined by what looks good rather than being all nitpicky paleo accurate

[paper oriole]

speak for yourself

as long as it is fair balance and doesnt look utterly stupid people will enjoy it

its how its always been

the isle has never been very realistic

[vital plover]

If I see any pteras as all, they often kill each others.

[limber hull]

lmao

[paper oriole]

me tbh

im a ptera main that kills other pteras

bait them over and 2 tap

makes ptera enjoyable enough

[vital plover]

For you, most people find cannibals annoying.

[paper oriole]

oh well

[valid elk]

Anyone wanna talk about my feedback?

[barren zephyr]

I dont have a comment to make because you basically said what I was thinking

[valid elk]

Sweet

[paper oriole]

i hope theri does the anteater t pose for its threaten at least

[barren zephyr]

Anteater t pose 😂

[paper oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/anteater-southern-tamandua-cute-t-pose-animal-gif-24807270

assert dominance

[barren zephyr]

I love that so much.

[paper oriole]

therizinosaurus about to disembowel a safelogging rex 2076 (colorized)

[mint girder]

Not really it’s a little bit too weak for it’s size

[limber hull]

the fuck you mean

[mint girder]

Like it wasn’t really strong by any means

But it’s kind of just a paper towel

[limber hull]

and irl ptera was a tank?

[mint girder]

Paper towel now

[mint girder]

Well it wasn’t a paper towel

[valid elk]

Yeah, I don't really get the ground claw tbh. It looks cool, but anteaters have massive claws and they just get up and show them off. Ground clawing is more of a Tenontosaurus or Iguanodontid thing

[mint girder]

It could still kill a baby Utah or carno irl if it came to that

It was also a little faster I think

[limber hull]

You realise the damage hasn't changed nor the speed

[mint girder]

Health makes it impossible tho

And im not talking much about nerfs or buffs

Just it’s portrayal in game in general

You’re not even a threat to a baby Utah atm

[limber hull]

I find ptera's current state pretty realistic. Frail little animal compared to an island of giant killing machines

[limber hull]

and?

[mint girder]

It isn’t frail compared to literal babies though

[paper oriole]

is baby utah on your diet?

[mint girder]

That’s not at all what it was

[limber hull]

why does everyone assume it's a PvP monster

[mint girder]

I don’t think killing babies makes you a pvp monster

[limber hull]

its not going to be a PvPer, nor should it be

[mint girder]

Im talking about babies here

[limber hull]

i dont see the inherent NEED to make ptera kill shit

why tho

[mint girder]

I don’t see why not

Makes it fun and well

[limber hull]

because that's not what it does lmao

it eats fish and fucks around lmao

[mint girder]

Even though that’s not its niche, that doesn’t mean it cannot do such things

[limber hull]

its far more of a scavenger fisher than a juvi killer

[limber hull]

great, so you can still kill babies

[paper oriole]

why should it be balanced in order to allow it to do things that it isnt supposed to do

[mint girder]

Not really at all

Only like mid air if you’re lucky

[frozen heron]

Utah and pachy babies are quite frail. You can kill those

Especially with alt bite

[paper oriole]

ok so its still possible lol

[mint girder]

Hardly

[limber hull]

like you said. "Even though that’s not its niche, that doesn’t mean it cannot do such things". So do it, you CAN, just know you can be punished for it because you are a frail flying creature and not adept for combat

[mint girder]

Not very well at all

[limber hull]

maybe because that isn't the niche of it

[mint girder]

It shouldn’t get bullied by newborns

[paper oriole]

if you want to pvp just pvp with other pteras

[mint girder]

It doesn’t need to be when they’re just born

[mint girder]

I don’t want to

[frozen heron]

The dinosaurs arent even newborns, theyre juveniles

[paper oriole]

or be an annoying troll and make people friendly fire

[limber hull]

hatchlings aren't even in yet lmao, juvis are much larger than a newborn

[mint girder]

Newborns by in game standards

[paper oriole]

well, that sounds like a you problem. dont be so picky. juv carno and utah arent on your diet so you dont need to kill them

[mint girder]

They’re still larger than the juvis

[limber hull]

indeed they are

[mint girder]

If it’s a me problem then why are you so unhappy with my opinion

You seem very discontent with my point of view

[limber hull]

because you want to make ptera something it isn't?

[paper oriole]

what suggested that i was unhappy?

[mint girder]

The way you wrote I guess

[paper oriole]

disagreeing with people who want to play a fish eating troll animal like a pvp predator doesnt make me unhappy

[mint girder]

So you’re telling me it shouldn’t be easy to kill a baby Utah or something

[mint girder]

What about picking on babies makes it a pvp animal

[limber hull]

it will be easy to kill a baby utah. Too bad baby utahs aren't in the game huh

[mint girder]

That’s like 5% of the player base

[paper oriole]

because those babies are in ptera's weight range

[mint girder]

By in game standards

[paper oriole]

so it can be considered a fight, pvp

[mint girder]

Baby Utah is the same weight as ptera?

[paper oriole]

besies though, if its killing a player it is pvp because it is player vs player

[limber hull]

Cool, still don't like the fucking fisher bird somehow becoming a bird of prey like quetz. Juvi hunting is the alley of the quetz, ptera should stick to its lane

[paper oriole]

currently juvie utah seems to be heavier than ptera

[mint girder]

Storks kill eat fish but they kill gazelles all the time

[limber hull]

Juvie utah spawns at around 20kg, so it quickly outweighs ptera

[limber hull]

awesome but is a ptera a stork

[mint girder]

Pelicans kill things storks kill things herons kill this fish eaters kill things that aren’t fish all the time

[paper oriole]

by the time a juv utah begins its afk grow journey it is at or over ptera weight lol

[mint girder]

So the statement that it’s a fish eater doesn’t hold up much

[mint girder]

That is pretty interesting

[limber hull]

okay cool, ptera can also kill an adult carno by pecking it on the head over and over again, i dont see your point

[paper oriole]

they also have tools designed to do that. ptera is a paper plane with a beak

[mint girder]

I don’t think it should be able to

[limber hull]

it'll take for fucking ever

but you can do that

[mint girder]

That doesn’t align to my point much at all

[limber hull]

your point is you want ptera to be quetz because... you want it

you don't want it to have a niche of baby killing

you don't want it to be a designated juvi hunter

it just CAN do it because it feels like it

really compelling stuff

[paper oriole]

wanting the devs to balance an animal around your urge to sport kill

[mint girder]

Killing a baby doesnt = quetz and that wasn’t my argument at all

[limber hull]

killing juvis is literally quetz whole thing

[mint girder]

Being able to kill a baby doesn’t make it your niche

[limber hull]

that's what it does

[mint girder]

Yeah but it kills way larger ones though

[limber hull]

alright so what does it get out of killing juvis

what is the endgoal of doing this

[mint girder]

Opportunity for food I guess

[paper oriole]

food that isnt even on its diet

[limber hull]

except you have ample food within rivers and beaches

[mint girder]

If it could even catch it

[mint girder]

It doesn’t need to be on diet to be good food

Food is food

[paper oriole]

it has 0 reason when it can thrive off of server supplied ai and dea bodies

[mint girder]

If you see something easy enough to kill might aswell

[limber hull]

"food is food, which is why i only hunt juvis because it's harder, more inconvenient and more dangerous than just catching a fucking fish and filling my stomach in one gulp"

[paper oriole]

there is no scenario where a ptera would need to go "damn theres no food, im gonna starve if i cant brawl that juv utah to death"

[mint girder]

If you saw a juvi and you might be able to catch it then why not

[limber hull]

ptera can fucking fly, it can find any food source it so damn pleases within moments

[paper oriole]

because youre a delicate pt and it will kick your ass

[mint girder]

It can still hunt fish while being able to kill babies

[paper oriole]

if i like to eat cows that doesnt mean i should go start a fist fight with a cow

[mint girder]

I said if you can catch it

[limber hull]

So here's the thing

[mint girder]

A pera and baby Utah is not the same as a man vs a cow

[limber hull]

Everything you just described is already in the game

[mint girder]

Not to my liking then I guess

[limber hull]

You can already swoop a juvi utah and peck it

You can already try and kill them

[mint girder]

Yeah but I don’t want it to do that

You can fly around and kill anything

If you want to put the time in I guess

[frozen heron]

You want it to brawl it on the ground when its fragile? lol

[limber hull]

There's literally nothing stopping you from living out your ptera dreams of mildly inconveniencing juvis instead of just eating a damn fish

[paper oriole]

so because ptera is able to fly down and come in contact with a juvie, you think that also means it should be able to brawl the juvie to death?

[mint girder]

If it’s against a baby sure

[mint girder]

It’s not a brawl at that point

[limber hull]

So... you want an animal that flies around, but also likes to move around on the ground to catch small juvis and hatchlings, and is capable of doing so well.

you want quetz

You have quite literally described quetz

[paper oriole]

then what is it? do you want ptera to outright slaughter a juv utah?

[mint girder]

I’m assuming we may be thinking of different sizes

No way

Juvi stego is way too big for ptera

[frozen heron]

Ive killed juv stegos as ptera so its not difficult

So, you can still hunt juvs, no problem

[mint girder]

Well yeah in h the sky

[limber hull]

i am absolutely baffled by what you want

[mint girder]

I’m thinking just around spawn in size

[frozen heron]

Why should it fight shit on ground when its 100% worse when doing so?

[limber hull]

do you legit just want quetz

[mint girder]

Why not

[limber hull]

because you have perfectly described the hunting method of the quetz

[frozen heron]

Because its skin and bone

[mint girder]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-patrick-bateman-sweating-sweat-sweaty-gif-21722513

[paper oriole]

because it weighs 45kg and is made of leather and bone

[limber hull]

my man just play quetz when it comes out

[mint girder]

I’m suggesting that it’s opponent is smaller than itself

[paper oriole]

not really

[mint girder]

An adult ptera is around human size

[paper oriole]

a juv utah, smallest carni, quickly outgains a ptera in weight after spawning in

[limber hull]

an adult ptera is also built to fly

humans, however, with our dense ape bodies, are not

[mint girder]

Yes I know and a baby Utah can fit inside it’s mouth

[limber hull]

so can a fish

[mint girder]

A lot of things can really

[paper oriole]

because ptera has a big ass head, also that head is on a flimsy noodle neck

[limber hull]

eat a fish

[mint girder]

Yes that’s good

[mint girder]

I will

With a young Utah on the side

[paper oriole]

ok then go kill a young utah

[mint girder]

I can but not in the way I want

[paper oriole]

and if you can do that, then you have no reason to complain here that you cant

[mint girder]

I’m implying it needs more health for safety

[paper oriole]

sorry that ptera doesnt fit your fantasies of jurassic park 3 superpredator

[mint girder]

How can you nerf anything so weak

[limber hull]

more safety in doing the thing it wasnt designed to do

[mint girder]

Jp3 ptera took down helicopters

[limber hull]

[mint girder]

I’m talking about killing a baby

[paper oriole]

it doesnt need more health for safety because it can keep itself out of harms way and get full diet while doing so

[mint girder]

Complains about what

[limber hull]

you know what else is safe

flight

[mint girder]

Falling off a cliff maybe

Why should it be unsafe to kill a baby Utah it’s like 5x smaller than ptera

[limber hull]

it isn't

[mint girder]

Two shoting a baby isn’t considered as combat to me

[limber hull]

a juvi utah weighs around 20kg on spawn. Its already half ptera's weight the moment it spawns

[mint girder]

What significance does that pose

[limber hull]

you said it was 1/5th

[mint girder]

Still a lot smaller

[paper oriole]

overexaggeration much? juv utah FRESH on the spot spawn is half pt weight, and quickly becomes heavier than pt

[mint girder]

Ptera should still be able to kill it on the ground

[paper oriole]

also utah is built to fight on the ground, it has sharp claws that will slice up PT's little leather arm flaps

[mint girder]

Can’t pin it though

[mint girder]

That doesn’t make it any less of a baby

[limber hull]

also fun fact, ptera being BIG does not mean it is in any way capable of high power. Quetz is fucking massive. It's also a 250kg branch that can be taken down by a utah that catches it unaware

[mint girder]

A full adult ptera had every advantage

[mint girder]

Well irl Utah is massive so yeah

[paper oriole]

a baby that spawns in ready to kill, it isnt like a weak ass human baby

[mint girder]

Based

[frozen heron]

Its a juvenile built to survive on its own. Why should a baby not be able to defend itself with ease against basically a flying twig

[mint girder]

That doesn’t make it stronger than a ptera

[paper oriole]

yes it does. citation of proof: it does in game

[mint girder]

Because compared to a baby it isn’t a twig

[limber hull]

true lmao, juvis are meant to be at least somewhat self-dependent

[mint girder]

You did mention half weight didn’t you 🧐

[limber hull]

honestly man just either wait for hatchlings or wait for quetz

[paper oriole]

pt is literally a skeleton you can see its bony little appendages and ribs under its flimsy leather skin. it is a twig

[mint girder]

Baby Utah could always just run away

[frozen heron]

And ptera can just fly away and find actual diet food

[mint girder]

No just go

[paper oriole]

pt can always just fly away

[limber hull]

or it could kill the fucking twigbird chasing it

[mint girder]

Not as fun

[mint girder]

But it’s not beneficial since it’s bigger than you and more dangerous

[paper oriole]

lmao no