general-feedback-discussion

[paper oriole]

I could see some grazers but theyd need much more food

[manic flint]

Something like that

[urban flax]

Yeah, the fact they can only eat 3 specific species of plants is absolutely dumb

[paper oriole]

Like anky i could see eating grass and scrub all day but hed need a lot of it

[manic flint]

There's a reason grass doesn't fill up herbis much in game

[urban flax]

But not as much as carnivore diets

[manic flint]

Carnivore diets are restricted by the playables

[urban flax]

Which is bad

[paper oriole]

Carni diets should have waited for gore, hell both of them shoulda because i dont wanna deal with that shit as herbi either

[urban flax]

I doubt herbi diets will be much different when gore drops

[manic flint]

Yea diets should have waited till gore and perks imo

[paper oriole]

Carnis should have preferred tissue types rather than a shopping list

[urban flax]

Yeah

[manic flint]

Exactly

[urban flax]

And some things like organs that satisfy every carni

But rot super quickly

[paper oriole]

Like active predators need organs, carnis prefer fatty or lean meat, fish, skeletal tissue, etc

[low canopy]

its a shame that grazing became as irrelevant as it is now, you basically never graze when playing the diets "correctly"

[manic flint]

Like
Say carno prefers liver or something
And bary prefers lungs
So it would make less competition on specific food

Imo grass should fill you up but just really slowly so there's a reason to

[urban flax]

That's already too specific imo

[manic flint]

Just a random example

[paper oriole]

Organs in general would be nutritious

[manic flint]

Flesh would be more diet specific probably

Organs could just be universal

[paper oriole]

Also rewards predators with at least one nutrient for a sizeable kill regardless of meat preference even if they leave the rest which benefits scavengers

[manic flint]

Yup

[urban flax]

Organs : The best part of any corpse, fills all three nutrients for every carnis. They run out quickly and are the first to rot.
Rich meat : Meat found of muscular creatures, mainly big dinos and brawler-type ones.
Lean meat : Fibrous flesh, that can be obtained mainly on small critters and runners.
Fatty meat : Meat from a large and heavy creature.
Cartelage (?) : Low-quality meat, usually the last one that is found on a body that's already been partially eaten. Can still save someone from starvation.
Bones : Quite nutritious and are the last part of a body to ever rot, but only some specific species can feast on them.

That would be a list shamelessly stolen and expanded from Miragaia's older suggestion about diets, what would you think about it ?

[outer sphinx]

watch it be like: bary likes teno liver, and utah likes pachy heart etc

[manic flint]

It will just watch

[paper oriole]

curret diets but worse i wouldnt put it past them to do that lol

[paper oriole]

i really hope for something like this (shamelessly stroking my own suggestion)

[lavish quail]

Magy spontaneously combusts upon seeing an allo and chases it down while on fire. After dying it’s body can’t be eaten because it’s burned 🥵

[urban flax]

Unless some dino likes charred meat

[lavish quail]

Only allo

[paper oriole]

how would ading rex this early in any way create a good ecosystem lol

even if it was added with para youre gonna have a disaster

and trike would just be new stego

[lavish quail]

How so fast…

[paper oriole]

i am speed (unlike magy)

[lavish quail]

Dude 💀

Overkill

[paper oriole]

like allo vs may

[lavish quail]

Bro.

You can’t do this

[paper oriole]

i can do it better than magy can survive

[lavish quail]

[barren zephyr]

me waiting for my suggestion to be panned by people

[paper oriole]

i hate the (tyrannosaurus rex)

[lavish quail]

Less than or more than magy

[paper oriole]

hey now i dont hate rex that much

[lavish quail]

Isle players arguing over a Dino that doesn’t exist yet over balance issues that aren’t real yet

[barren zephyr]

No, I actually hate the Giganotosaurus carolini

[paper oriole]

giga was cool tbh the players ruined it

[barren zephyr]

Eh

[paper oriole]

but now hes losing his cool dewlap so he sucks

[barren zephyr]

It was literally an impulsive add-on

[paper oriole]

giga was overpowered af too it was a better hunter than rex

[barren zephyr]

Like it was originally going to be an acro skin. Then they turned it into it's own creature.

[lavish quail]

Oh so giga can have a dewlap but magy can’t

[paper oriole]

magy dewlap ugly

[barren zephyr]

I don't think acro was even needed, we don't need two massive terrestrial macropredators

[paper oriole]

acro is like a whole 4-5 tons lighter than giga isnt it

[barren zephyr]

Spino can avoid competition with rex to an extent as it exploits fish as a food source, but acro cannot.

[tight oxide]

Oh! You found a dead pachy? Sorry bud no heart means no nutrients

[paper oriole]

yes.

unless you have rich meat in your diet

[barren zephyr]

The diet system is shit

Because nothing in nature is clear cut

[lavish quail]

Acro ain’t fighting a rex

[barren zephyr]

Most carnivores have really broad diets.

[paper oriole]

predators who are supposed to hunt for their nutrients should benefit less form scavenging on average

which is why predators should need organs and scavengers shouldnt require it

[barren zephyr]

What they usually eat is determined by if they are able to hunt it or not.

[paper oriole]

that way the organs would be the first thing gone from most bodies

[tight oxide]

Someone pin this for gore update

[barren zephyr]

What body parts carnivores like to eat are more of a preference, not an obligate diet thing

[tight oxide]

I like how character menu says preffered food when its forcing you

[lavish quail]

Yeah and Rex should be added to kill stego

[paper oriole]

the isle dinos are too specialist rn with their lame ass shopping lists on both factions

[barren zephyr]

Not to mention different carnivores have different feeding strategies

[tight oxide]

Add allo or something to kill stego smh

[lavish quail]

Rex

[tight oxide]

Not a rex

[urban flax]

That's just a copy of Miragaia's suggestion for diets, but with more flavor

[tight oxide]

And i like it

[lavish quail]

Rex

[paper oriole]

im working on a carni diet doc rn too ive had it up for like 2 weeks and ive been too lazy to finish it, i should

[tight oxide]

You really should

[lavish quail]

[paper oriole]

its a bit more fleshed out than my megadoc. i gotta edit pictures which overwhelms me with laziness

[lavish quail]

[tight oxide]

I hope a proper diets for carbivores aint complicated

Like i can still grab a peice and dash

[lavish quail]

Everything is complicated

That’s why I refuse to play Utah

[tight oxide]

Utah fun

Utah pounce bleed go brrrr

[paper oriole]

surprisingly annoying to edit in because ive got a bit of the OCDs

gotta do it for carni docs

[tight oxide]

I like that

[urban flax]

You're putting too much effort into this

[paper oriole]

considering the devs probably dont see it yeah lol

[lavish quail]

Utah spend 50 minutes trying to kill something it’s supposed to hunt actively along with 2 different things go brrrr

[tight oxide]

I am going to borrow you for a bit and reuse you

[paper oriole]

[tight oxide]

Utah when they manage to kill a teno
Utahs when they still have to kill pachy and deino

All cus of diets

Smh

[lavish quail]

You mean when they manage to watch the Carno that killed it leave

[paper oriole]

catch the pachies while theyre eating it works for me uhhhh 60% of the time

otherwise i get a free trip to selection screen

win win

[lavish quail]

Isle devs making the game rougue like yet extending grow times even more

[barren zephyr]

I mean yeah

Lions and hyenas basically eat the same food sources, their only way of avoiding competition from what I am aware is that hyenas aren't as picky, and that lions can usually take on larger prey (e.g. Buffalo)

Other than that they're direct competitors

[paper oriole]

they still eat what they can catch though for the most part, theyre just a bit picky when it comes to cannibalism and other predators due to the meat not being quality

[tight oxide]

Isle devs trying to fix the scar that tail riding left us
Isle devs bringing stuns and breaking bodies with tail hits and diets and health lock into the game

[paper oriole]

which can translate to the isle with different meat types

[barren zephyr]

I mean with the isle there's less room for predator species partitioning from what I'm aware

[paper oriole]

leopards, an animal from the same ecosystem, will eat basically any meat, same with alligators. some animals among these are picky, none of them are hyper specialist though

[barren zephyr]

For starters dinosaurs, especially larger ones, work occupy different niches as they age.

[paper oriole]

specialists are fine but every animal being one is annoying

[tight oxide]

Humans be like

Would be funny to see humans grazing ngl

[paper oriole]

humans be like "this animal looks cool I wOnDeR wHaT iT tAsTeS lIkE"

[tight oxide]

Imagine losing your 5 hour grown dino to a hairless monke with a gun smh

[paper oriole]

humans be like "this animal developed a complex toxin defense system but i will still kill it just to eat a very small part of its body after i go through great lengths to remove its toxins"

[barren zephyr]

Tyrannosaurus is an excellent example (juveniles are fast chasing predators with poor stamina while adults are mostly endurance hunters), as are Deinosuchus (hatchlings/juveniles will mainly subsist on small aquatic prey like fish, larger adults mainly hunt dinosaurs)

[tight oxide]

Have you seen us trying to eat pufferfish?

[paper oriole]

"this animal is extinct because we wanted one part of its body"

[paper oriole]

what i had in mind lol

[tight oxide]

Dodos be like

[paper oriole]

poor dodos a victim of humans and their invasive species bs

[tight oxide]

I cant wait to kill a utah and make its skin into a leather couch

[paper oriole]

why do we gotta bring pigs, dogs, rats and cats wherever we go

[paper oriole]

utah skin boots merc accessory

[tight oxide]

Earth theory
What if humans stayed in africa?

[barren zephyr]

While there can be room for lots of niche partitioning, it usually only really happens with small species

[paper oriole]

everything else in africa would be extinct lol

[tight oxide]

Make that an achivement

[tight oxide]

Nah man all the animals in africa would evolve to have built in guns

[paper oriole]

rhinos but their horns are flamethrowers

[tight oxide]

Lions with bullet proof manes

[barren zephyr]

There's shit tons of passerine species in Finland alone, and they all specialise for different habitats as well as food sources

[paper oriole]

africa would just be full of dark souls chimaeric abominations

[tight oxide]

Imagine seeing the crocs turn full spino to counter humans

[paper oriole]

crocs already going bullet proof, my man gustave

nile monitor reverts to mosasaur

[tight oxide]

Lmao

[barren zephyr]

I suppose having a bunch of really specialised small animals can work, with a few specialised larger ones as well (therizinosaurs, perhaps some sauropods), but other than that I can't come up with much

[paper oriole]

specialists can be shit like pteranodon which would be eating fish and amphibians 90% of the time

[barren zephyr]

Pteranodon is pretty generalised

[paper oriole]

if you count scavenging yea

[barren zephyr]

By specialised I mean giraffe level specialisation at the least

[paper oriole]

though an active hunter with a wide set of prey? not typically

aside from some sweaty pt players

[barren zephyr]

?

[paper oriole]

pteranodon would be quite specialist compared to like, a utah or something

[empty epoch]

ptera scavenger

[barren zephyr]

With species yeah I suppose, but the size of the carnivore heavily determines what prey it's able to take down, as does if it hunts alone or in groups

[paper oriole]

ptera, scavenging, amphibians and fish. side of eggs maybe

[tight oxide]

Full deinosuchus

[paper oriole]

but a utah could pretty much eat anything and its limitations mostly only rely on group size

with few exceptions

[outer sphinx]

thats literaly what i expect gore to be after seen how u4 was

[barren zephyr]

Pteranodon is more like a seagull more than anything atm.

[tight oxide]

Sticky utah has decided to learn evrima

[empty epoch]

bad

[paper oriole]

deinosuchus evolving back in to existence

sticky utah was 90% assride on his no alt turn haven server

[barren zephyr]

Utah is the jack of all trades carnivore from what I'm aware

Carnotaurus is a weird high speed mesopredator (maybe a macropredator, I'm not too sure), rex is mainly generalised as an adult though juveniles and subadults may lean more towatdd pack hunting

[tight oxide]

Screw oxygen levels these humans must perish

[paper oriole]

rex is probably an armored herbivore specialist ambusher unless they change him

[barren zephyr]

Also to be clear with pack hunting there are limits. Mainly the amount of meat in a kill

[paper oriole]

probably preferring bones and muscle rich meat

[barren zephyr]

There's also energy expenditure

[paper oriole]

form bulky, muscular animals like trike

juvi and perhaps even sub rex seem more like pursuit predators

[barren zephyr]

Irl it really wasn't. It could tackle armoured prey, but it preferred hadrosaurs for the most part.

[paper oriole]

in game though it depends on the route they pick

shant can be up there easily

shant, trike, anky, and perhaps cannibalism would probably be rex's most nutritious but risky sources

[tight oxide]

So uh what would happen if paleos found utahs real bite force

To be high

[paper oriole]

isle utah isnt utah anyway

maybe it would affect the apparent actual utahraptor they want to bring some day

[tight oxide]

Isle utah is novaraptor ggez lore done go home everyone

[paper oriole]

apolloraptor

[tight oxide]

Malnorishedraptor thooo

[paper oriole]

alpharaptor dondii

jurassicraptor parkii

[tight oxide]

Ootahraptor

Docktahraptor

[paper oriole]

docksraptor borkensis

[tight oxide]

Borkaraptor

[tight oxide]

I like this

Lets call it that from now on

Already copied it

[paper oriole]

docksraptor borkensis and spinorex spero

[barren zephyr]

I've come up with a name for the Utah btw

[tight oxide]

And lord acromcdonaldsaurus imlovingsis

[barren zephyr]

Alloparavis

[paper oriole]

acrocaloriethosaurus diabeetus

[tight oxide]

Love it

[manic flint]

True

[mint girder]

I think ptera should be able to swim

[paper oriole]

Would be nice for it to get a water takeoff and a bit less shitty swim speed + diving when ever they expand on a coastal and ocean ecosystem

“Get better servers” this amazing and in-depth criticism will most certainly help the dev team to fix all of the problems

[tight oxide]

i think diving should be a ptera perk

[mint girder]

Well that is a given

[tight oxide]

nah man lets just send them the code to fix evrima at this point

[edgy harbor]

@mental summit

[limber hull]

@barren zephyr slow walk does in fact slow bleed as well

[barren zephyr]

Oh right that too

I just wish it had uses outside of combat

[mental summit]

My apologies then. Just love the game and waiting to play is hard

So is English appearently lol

[edgy harbor]

Oh I'm not excusing the lack of it. I'm just letting you know they have thought of it and are workin on it. I guess the servers are weird and they're figuring out how to impliment it so it doesn't break anything.

You good lmao

Dude I have to wait how do you think I feel when I need to unstuck or smack a hacker

[mental summit]

I can only imagine the frustration. :/

[tight oxide]

@thick flicker thats gonna be very abusable i can just see it...

Plus dont think herbivores would use it to run away but instead kill you when you are stunned

[thick flicker]

That's a fair point

[abstract juniper]

what

[lavish quail]

“Rework boar”

“Nerf teno”

“Fix lag”

[lyric spoke]

thought we'd hear more about ancestry test at this point lol

[signal beacon]

@left nacelle alt bite. Literally just alt bite.

Besides you shouldn't have any need to attack things like that unless you are waltzing up onto land.

[lavish quail]

(not supposed to do that)

[left nacelle]

Alt biting directly behind you isn't very fast or accurate. I don't think I've ever landed an alt bite on something directly behind me because they either run away before the bite even happens or the bite just misses. And yeah the suggestion in mainly for when you're on land. Like when you're migrating to another water source. I had a tenonto biting the tip of my tail the other day an there wasn't a single thing I could do about it

[signal beacon]

Okay? The teno is dealing like 1 damage to you. If you get caught out on land you should get punished for that.

[lavish quail]

probably could of alt bited it

[signal beacon]

Alt bite for deino is very sudden. If they wanna hit your body they will get hit

Tail hits do barley anything

[left nacelle]

Right, but they're very annoying. And it just makes sense for an alligator to have a tail attack. And yes, you should be punished for being out of water, but something nipping at your tail over and over isn't punishment. Being jumped by a few carnos in the middle of a field is punishment

[signal beacon]

The annoyance is the punishment

[left nacelle]

You shouldn't be punished for walking 5 feet away from water to go past a waterfall

[signal beacon]

Then go back into the water? If its 5 feet you won't be out for long. Also have you ever thought about making sure the cost is clear before surfacing?

[left nacelle]

Yes. And I did not see the tenonto at all, since it came out of the jungle

But my main issue is the delay between the alt bite animation starting and the actual bite itself. It gives your opponent plenty of time to just move over and avoid the bite

[signal beacon]

Well it's a teno you could afk near one as a deino and still live. Larger less agile animals will get hit by your alt bite if they get cocky, no matter their reaction speed

Deino is supposed to function poorly on land. Not be immune to attacks from the front and back

[left nacelle]

True, but it always the small agile ones who decide to nip you, an it's very very hard to hit them with a 180 alt bite

[signal beacon]

You're asking for it to be able to effortlessly defend both flanks from animals that can only kill you if you walked into the middle of a desert

[left nacelle]

Correct, but it should have some defense from the back other than doing a complete 180. And the water drain speed is already enough to keep deino off land

[radiant sluice]

skill issue

[signal beacon]

The 180 IS deino's defense. A tail attack would either be useless or completely busted making deino a rex with high water drain

[left nacelle]

That's not true at all. The tail attack obviously wouldn't do as much damage as a bite and it wouldn't do any fracture or anything either. It would be a way to defend yourself from behind without needing to do a complete 180. Think of it like tenonto's kick compared to its tail slam. The slam is stronger but can't be used while moving

If I'm migrating past a waterfall or something and a pack of raptors is around me, and I tiny raptor comes up to my tail, I shouldn't need to spin all the way around to kill the one tiny raptor and leave myself open to the rest of the pack in doing so. I should be able to just swat it away

[signal beacon]

Right now the ONLY thing aside from stego that can reliably kill land deino is utah. A tail swipe would invalidate them by giving it defense on BOTH flanks. Thus giving deino no current weaknesses aside from stego

[left nacelle]

I don't intend for the tail attack to be something that kills things easily. It's just meant to do some damage to scare things away

[signal beacon]

Deino's weakness on land is poor flank defense. You're asking for a way to completely avoid it

It would be useless if it doesn't deal decent damage

[left nacelle]

Deino's weakness on land should be poor stam and mobility. Adding a tail slap would make it far from invincible

[manic flint]

If a pair of suchos or something found a deino on land they would just tank the tail slaps

[tight oxide]

I think we could have deino work with a tail smack

Like add more reasons to stay in water?

Like deino controlling its temperature?

[astral coral]

i cant play evrima it says easy cheat not installed

[manic flint]

Verify files

[astral coral]

just did

before i did i had and eu4 arror

[lyric spoke]

I have friends that haven't been able to play for like 2 months because of bugs like that lol

[astral coral]

i managed to do it xd

[livid elm]

maybe make it a damage-less knock back sort of thing? just to get annoying utahs off your ass but not letting you have a steg like tail attack

[open tundra]

I could see it causing a fall and temporary immobility

Especially with larger carnivores

[livid elm]

@open tundra id be worried about herbis using this to body deny. - the burial thing

[open tundra]

they will kill carnis anyway tbh so I don’t see it making too much of a difference
Covering up the carcass would probably take some time to make it more balanced maybe? So they wouldn’t be able to cover the carcass while under attack.

and there would always be an option for carnis to dig up the mound too. Assuming an herbi isn’t body guarding the corpse like they already do. So this wouldn’t fix the body guarding issue. It would just cover up the carcass to make it less traceable and add to the element of stealth.

[tight oxide]

Maybe just pure knock back?

I can see it stagering larger dinos if they get hit at the head

[livid elm]

Exactly, it shouldn't do damage just trip you up or knock you over

[tight oxide]

Deino bite or something fracture dmg and tail being made to more so push small dinos hard while stagering big dinos

Tho i do think it could kill a utah if utah is hit at the head

Which at that point might as well bite instead

Tail smack is a get off me tool really

[lavish quail]

Nerf dryo

[barren zephyr]

@robust cape

That'd be 50+ on there

[limber hull]

@lyric spoke Are you talking about legacy velo? I'm a tad confused

i never got too frightened by velos. They were just kinda hisses iirc

[livid elm]

@lyric spoke you get it. its the thing i hate most about AI not spawning when people are around and hungry in evrima. the sound of an Ava call or a velo strikes fear in most people not because of the AI but, because if it didnt spawn for ME who did it spawn for? could be a tiny utah, could be a rex. no way to know but SOMETHING is out there

[paper oriole]

It also let people growing juvies know it was time to leave an area, so it interrupted player interaction often

It was like an alarm system, not very nice imo

[livid elm]

says someone who liked eating juvis because they couldn't catch something their own size 😛

[limber hull]

i didnt like AI spawning near players

[paper oriole]

???

[limber hull]

not only did it act like an alarm, but it took the hunt out of hunting

if you're a herbi and you heard an ava, you just left the area because you knew something bad was near

if you wanted to do something like that, I think I heard something of birds being disturbed by nearby movement being a planned idea. Why not have it that the panicked calls of birds do the same thing, but not exclusively for carnivores?

[paper oriole]

It also lead to an occasional spawn bug where ai would rapidly spawn in one spot and pile on top of eachother and you could just stand there and kill them as they spawned like some meat conveyor belt

Though that was funny at least

[limber hull]

that was dumb

i genuinely far prefer how EVRIMA handles AI

Not only does AI spawn in specific biomes (goats tend to spawn closer to mountains, frogs near swamps, crabs near beaches, etc), but they spawn independent of player activity

[livid elm]

i would take this, i just like the fear factor of knowing something is near, doesnt have to be food related i suppose. and having it do it for herbis to would be a nice touch adds even more uncertainty

[lyric spoke]

one decimal food value for frogs, sea turtles that get farmed beginning of restarts, no respawns, aimbot boars, deer that move at lightspeed, no calls, lack of patrols, can't be bled, can't be out-stammed, compy has no brain

nothing about legacy ai is perfect but I legitimately don't see a single thing that evrima A.I. has done bare minimally well or acceptable.

[limber hull]

they do respawn tho idk what that argument is all about

[lyric spoke]

Unless it's changed in the month I've been gone, they don't. It's only on a restart. If they do, it is the smaller fish schools or frogs

[limber hull]

They have been respawning for a while now

They don't always respawn in the same place if that's what you're wondering

You can find bountiful AI away from hotspots if the server has been up long enough

Since everyone just farms the ones around oasis

[lyric spoke]

I'll take your word with a grain of salt, this has been an issue for months but maybe it is suddenly fixed. I would know if they move around, it's not hard to find them if you're familiar with their general locations imo. I've doused the map as utah before restarts and every time I've tested that there was nothing, 0.

I would boot it up again but last time I tried a week ago I spawned 3 times outside the map and gave up :D

[limber hull]

Also fast moving deer is fine since their main predator moves faster

I've never had trouble catching deer as a carno

Also what does "lack of patrols" even mean

[lyric spoke]

Naw not as carno, but the way they evade utahs is annoying, they have a tendency to suddenly accelerate out of bite range. Sometimes theyre the only thing swamp or oasis likes to spawn

[limber hull]

I mean, deers being extremely fast skittish motherfuckers seems pretty fitting as behaviour for them

Personally, I think certain AI being too difficult for some animals to catch makes AI feel more natural and less like free food

[lyric spoke]

They don't roam, I've never seen evidence for it. I've seen the same boar west field of south spawn walk in circles for 45 minutes.

[limber hull]

I love boar, rabbit and deer behaviours a lot more than other AI because they actively attempt to flee/fight in unique ways when confronted by danger

[lyric spoke]

The rabbit one trolled me bad, I had no idea they would just burrow, GG

[limber hull]

I think it's pretty cool

[lyric spoke]

It's pretty dope I just wish they wouldn't tease rabbit burrows while dryo still needs a burrowing option

[limber hull]

true lmao, but based on how they want to do burrows, i see why its taking time

[urban flax]

<@&933486433342222376> I'm pretty sure last feedback post is breaking server rules

[severe idol]

Gross.

[signal beacon]

Wait what was it?

[urban flax]

Mating suggestion
With pictures

[signal beacon]

why?

What went through someone's head to post that?

[urban flax]

There are questions to which it's better to not know the answer

[remote thunder]

For the life of me, I can't figure out why someone wouldn't want Global to at least be an option on community servers. If you don't like it, play on the Officials with No Global. Period.

People of this game want you to play the game just the way they play it, and no other way... because god forbid the customer uses your product their way. I suppose it's better that they not use it at all right? 💸

[urban flax]

Not every game has to be 100% customizable to any player's taste
You can't deactivate hunger or thirst either because that's just not the point of the game
Also, some people may have their first experience of the game on an unofficial server, and if it's too different from what the official game experience should be, they might be disappointed with the game

[signal beacon]

Global was just roleplay/salty player paradise

[urban flax]

Roleplay can be fine
But not the kind that involves global chat

[signal beacon]

I remember seeing nothing but ADMIN ADMIN THE HERBIS ARE RB HIRBES KOK ADMIN!!!!!!!

Or even worse "we have to follow the alpha trike! Owo"

[remote thunder]

True, you don't have to tailor your game to be 100% customizable. That's what mods are for, and I get that. But having Global or not having it, is a far cry from having random mods that significantly alter the player experience lol.

And due to the new server selection screen, they advertise Officials first. So a new player is likely to pick one of those.

[urban flax]

You never know
Besides, global doesn't add anything to the gameplay experience that can't be solved ith admin commands.

[limber hull]

i bought the oven, but i want it to COOL things, why did the creators not give me customisation, god forbid the customer uses the product their way

[remote thunder]

Fuck role players. That's cringe. But here's the thing... that may not be mine or your version of a good community server, but it's probably someones. I don't get why you'd not want those people to buy/play your game if you're trying to sell a product lol.

If we don't like that, then play Official. You clearly don't. And I've been in community servers that aren't like that oWo.

[remote thunder]

Cheeky lad.

[urban flax]

They don't want to ruin their game for people who don't even play it the way they intended.

Global chat is not the worse of those options, but it could lead to other things.

For me, the fact humans could possibly be disabled on some servers is much worse actually

[remote thunder]

Those admin commands aren't there dude. And given the shit pace of development, they probably won't be for a long time.

Just look how many full community servers there are on Evrima right now. There's only one half-full. The evidence is before you: The devs are actively killing their community player base. @limber hull

[remote thunder]

Then pick your flavor of server. It's like coffee... options are nice.

[urban flax]

They're just not caring that much about the experience at this point, and that's fine because that would be a waste of time. There are too many things that need to be implemented in order for the game to be actually playable but aren't there yet.

[urban flax]

Wavepoole and I just told you how that is a problem.

[remote thunder]

On that we agree lol, but the devs have never figured out what to prioritize with their game... not in 6 years lmao.

[urban flax]

They did tho
The last roadmap seems fine to me

And for now, apart from the implementation of deino and stego, the updates seemed pretty logical

[signal beacon]

gore not being with diets

[remote thunder]

You didn't though. Someone could not like it and it ruins their experience? Same could be said for everything in game or the opposite (it not being there). Again, just play Officials if you want the official Isle experience. That's not hard.

[urban flax]

Imagine diets not being with gore

[remote thunder]

And for the record, I appreciate them having a roadmap.

[urban flax]

But the opposite is something devs don't care about since it's no longer their game.

[signal beacon]

The devs literally said that gore was necessary for carnivores diets but it got put 2 updates away

[remote thunder]

I know they don't care. And it's sad. I love this game but get frustrated with it at the same time. 900 hours on the Isle. A lot of the things holding this game up from really taking off, are self-inflicted.

Again, the evidence is before you: Evrima doesn't have a full community server at the moment.

[urban flax]

Early Access moment
Why do you even care ? Do you not have any other game to play ?

[remote thunder]

I do have other games to play and am playing them. I care because I want this game to succeed, like you, and I genuinely enjoy it at times.

[limber hull]

Legacy has no official servers so not a fair comparison

[urban flax]

I'm confident it will succeed
Just gotta give it enough time, like any game

[remote thunder]

But there's a reason for that dude... Community Servers are holding up Legacy because people got sick of Officials. I went to a community server for that reason. I played the game for hundreds of more hours than I would have otherwise, because I found a good community server!

One of the reasons those players stay on Legacy and don't play Evrima, is not just because of lack of dino selection... but because it feels EMPTY and boring without Global offering that player interaction.

Please, please... I beg of you and the devs to understand that. 🙏

[limber hull]

I also believe legacy relied on these community servers because the base-game was so fundamentally flawed

Without rules, the game is arguably horrible in legacy

[urban flax]

The goal is to have the game be actually interesting, not to circumvent its boringness by allowing players to trashtalk each other across the whole server

[limber hull]

Because the balance and base combat systems are so fucking bad

You HAVE to put preventative measures to stop certain animals from just shitstomping an entire species in legacy

[remote thunder]

Why not do both? Allow community admins to moderate the trash talk too.

[urban flax]

As I said, global chat adds nothing to the game experience. It might prove useful to some unofficials, but as the name implies, they're unofficial. If anything, I would understand devs allowing players to mod global chat themselves

But I'm not sure they're willing to dedicate a lot of their time developing mod support

[remote thunder]

The base Legacy game was not fully developed, yes. And without rules, it was a shitshow, yes. But even with a fully developed game, you can still have community servers with tailored rules and player interaction that facilitates that... Global being the primary means of enabling those.

[limber hull]

my ideal EVRIMA doesn't need rules to have to sustain itself

[remote thunder]

Same, it should stand on its own. And I hope Officials always stay populated. But Community Servers keep people coming back, even if the base game never progresses. It's all about the Community..

[urban flax]

If the official experience is good, then people will keep going to officials

[remote thunder]

It's literally just a button for them to enable/disable. You shouldn't need mod support to have the option for something that was in game already.

[urban flax]

And I get why they don't want to press that one button

[remote thunder]

Anyway, I got to go to work. Take care @urban flax and @limber hull.

[urban flax]

Well bye

[manic flint]

Bring back Global suggestion #464

[low canopy]

its as if people wanted it back

[wheat elk]

it was good to find friends, and to tell them 'oh i died, im logging now though' so they dont keep looking for you

i liked it really

[urban flax]

That's not something global chat would change

[barren zephyr]

Legacy was a shallow husk which forced community servers to fill the gaps with rules

Evrima is gonna fill the gaps with gameplay and just stuff that matters to the point where most community rules would be fodder

And tbh it was really just a bunch of clans/ admins making rules for a “better gameplay experience” for a game that’s not even finished

Like, what does global chat actually do for you? It just allows you to look at people be toxic in chats and maybe talk to a person or two

[mint girder]

They are a minority and therefore nobody cares

Rp = cringe

[barren zephyr]

Bringing back global chat wouldn’t revive community servers

[manic flint]

It also makes 0 sense in a survival horror game to be able to talk to a cera as a teno across the map
Even the same species it makes no sense

That's what broadcast should be used for

[mint girder]

whyd they die

[lavish quail]

Search bar removed

Officials show first

[barren zephyr]

@sacred quest i like your idea its like a mating call but broadcast

[sacred quest]

yeah i thought it would be good for people who want to talk from a far and is a good replacement for the people who want global back (obviously we dont want global back for the reasons many have stated above)

[paper oriole]

that body denial can still be abused by body droppers, respawning as a juvie carnivore and running back to a fight is already not uncommon

it can interrupt nesting grounds and plant nodes just to troll

[tepid gate]

The community servers died before that was a thing

[lavish quail]

Isle dead

[deft linden]

Yeah it's hard to have a community when the community can't communicate in the game much at all I suppose

[wintry mist]

Good point. Then perhaps the disease auras should only spawn when creatures with over an hour of playtime on them die. That prevents area denial via baby bombing, and would make it very unviable for denying access to nests and plant nodes. Could also make it so that no disease aura can spawn in a certain radius of a nest. This would discourage challenging particularly impressive nesting grounds at the least, and so long as herbivores are forced to migrate every once in a while to gather food, this shouldn't be a massive problem, and this system should still enable particularly patient predators to acquire a meal when herds move to eat.

What else could be abused about this system that you can think of?

[paper oriole]

if i can still ruin some nesters day as a pt ive been playing for an hour im gonna do it because i have no consequences for dying

[wintry mist]

I said it shouldn't be able to spawn in the radius of a nest. Did you read what I wrote?

[paper oriole]

there are a lot of animals in this game that are begging to be suicide disease bomb droppers if somethig like this comes in

like just do it anywhere

i see a herd? i'm bored? cowabunga

[wintry mist]

This is true, but again, thats an hour of time to disrupt a fairly small radius for 5 minutes, with a 1 minute grace period, again, given my numbers.

[paper oriole]

people die for much less in this game all the time believe me

people die to kill some fresh spawn for shits and giggles

[wintry mist]

Absolutely, but this means that it cannot be done often, not that it won't be done.

Herbivores should be moving anyway, and this wouldn't really disrupt them unless they were camping some random spot where they had no nests.

[paper oriole]

they should be moving but this would just be bypassable by herds dropping nests where they want to hang our or abused by people who want to die for 7 minutes or so of inconvenience

[wintry mist]

If they reached a food node and mr. ptera the pterrorist decides to corpse bomb them as soon as they reach food, they still have a minute grace period to eat and leave, and even if they get a bit of disease, it wont be enough to impact them unless they waited there for a while.

[paper oriole]

ptera the pterrosist

[wintry mist]

Nests can be destroyed. If they don't actively guard their nests, predators can remove them.

[paper oriole]

good luck doing that with 6 stegos, 4 tenontos and 10 pachies around

and couldnt carnis destroy the nest just to apply their debuffs too

if you think its that easy

[wintry mist]

Right, but either way they can't spread their sphere of influence that far. They would need to guard a main nesting grounds. If they try to use nests to secure far off food spots, they'd need to split their herd to protect both sites from predators or risk the predators just rolling in and removing the nest.

[paper oriole]

sooo what youre saying is its still abusable to taint feeding grounds by a nesting site

[wintry mist]

If it's near a nesting site, but far enough away, sure. For 5 minutes. At most. For an hour of a player's time.

[paper oriole]

yeah, it's ripe for abuse.

[wintry mist]

Again, the payoff for abusing this system is very small. The payoff for abusing camping bodies is far worse.

[paper oriole]

the payoff is small, you say? but people die for way less all the time, the payoff is bigger than the things people already die for

[wintry mist]

Lesser of two evils here, either carnivores are forced to hunt exclusively AIS, new players, and solos, or we make herd killing somewhat viable by discouraging body camping, which is heavily abusable and has no place in the game.

[paper oriole]

just replacing one grief tactic with another isn't really fixing anything

[wintry mist]

The payoff for picking a penny up off the sidewalk is more than eating a tub of icecream, yet more eat icecream than pick pennys of the ground.

The reason is simple: people enjoy eating icecream.

[paper oriole]

things like mixpacking, body camping and megapacking largely are betetr off being moderated than fixed with abusable troll bait mechanics

[wintry mist]

Most people are not going to grow a creature for an hour straight with the intent to deny a single food patch from a massive herbivore pack for only 5 minutes or so.

[paper oriole]

no it isn't? what kind of comparison is that

do you know how overpriced most icecream is man

im gettin more off the icecream

and im also getting more by suicide bombing some trikes eating a bush

[wintry mist]

The comparison was between the effort of collecting the penny vs the payoff of eating a tub of icecream: getting fatter.

[wintry mist]

What are you getting?

[paper oriole]

the payoff of eating icecream is enjoying some icecream just like i enjoy ruining somebody's gameplay moment on a throwaway dino

if i simply dont like somebody, inconveniencing them for a few minutes is worth a ptera or a dryo or a hypsi or even a larger dino im just bored of playing

[wintry mist]

By your logic that all people simply enjoy ruining 5 minutes of someones time, why isn't every single server being ddosed right now? Why aren't a bunch of people joining servers to afk and take up player slots? Why isn't everyone playing pteradon to target baby players who just spawned?

[paper oriole]

not all people, just a large enough number that will abuse any troll worthy mechanic that arises

[wintry mist]

Oh wait, it's because normal people enjoy playing the game more than losing their character to area deny some pumpkins for 5 minutes

[paper oriole]

people taking server slots up to afk? bruh that shit happens all the time. people camping spawn areas? bruh that shit happens all the time

[urban flax]

The problem isn't abusability, it's implementing over-complexified mechanics to solve a problem that will simply stop existing once the game gets more fleshed out
Sure, stegos body camp a lot. Are they gonna bodycamp a corpse against a rex though ? Not so much. Also, with food becoming more common as more species get added, there will be much less of a payoff in bodyguarding
Also, herbis will have much better things to do than to bodyguard, cause currently they mostly do it out of boredom, to make sure a carni attacks them so they can fight

[paper oriole]

me and my friend even camped a spawn area as tenontos once just to bait and kill other baby herbis

and ive been victim of carnos spawn camping as well

it happens

[wintry mist]

It's become clear to me that you're criticisms are far more irrational than I initially thought. I assumed you had actual rational concerns and instead you'd rather keep far more abusable and unfun mechanics. I'm done trying to get criticism from you.

[paper oriole]

and exactly, a better ecosystem will reduce body camping by quite a lot, better than some dumb mechanic that sound slike it belongs in PoT

[signal beacon]

If you want a stress/desieise mechanic in this game look how it turned out in bob

[paper oriole]

what mechanics have i been defending here? it is YOU who want abusable and unfun mechanics, don't project now

i want minimal mechanics outside of those directly utilized by animals. none of that rule enforcement garbage that can just be moderated or fixed by a properly functioning ecosystem, food distribution and other natural means

[signal beacon]

And what if a herbivore kills an ovi trying to steal its eggs? "Oh well guess I gotta abandon my nest now!"

[paper oriole]

he claimed nests would remove the debuff, but then when the fact that herbis could build nests at hotspots was brought up he said nests could just be destroyed. bit self-countering argument there but

places like oasis would be no different

[signal beacon]

Okay? The herbi builds a new nest. Or just defends both the body AND nest

[paper oriole]

if nest building takes more steps than previously rebuilding it might not be as easy, but setting up nesting grounds at hotspots upon settlement is still the same

[signal beacon]

Still can just defend the nest and body

[paper oriole]

yeah especially if its a megaherd

lots of mock nests

[signal beacon]

Herbis could use nests as safe zones where if bodys fall they will be guarded forever

[paper oriole]

hotspots and poorly functioning ecosystem are the two main factors leading to this problem and a shitty disease mechanic wont fix it

[wintry mist]

1. Not everyone plays rex. Some players, like carnos, aren't going to benefit from a rex eating THEIR hard earned kill.
2. Food wont become more common, as player counts will not be going up because of the diversity. AIs might increase found amounts, but that doesn't solve the problem, it just diverts carnivores attention away from their role as predator and makes them herbivores that hunt moving bushes: AI.
3. Herbivores will continue to camp bodies because they will NEVER have anything better to do. That is how their gameplay is structured. The body will decay before any herbivore is going to starve to death, and massive mix-packing groups make this an issue as they can cycle guards just to ruin a carnivores day.

The only way to solve this issue is to either A. dissuade body camping or B. Dissuade mixpacks, and enforce strict pack limits so that at the very least we're only dealing with 1-2 body camping stegos at a time. The only truly non-mechanical way to fix this is server moderation, which is A. also not perfect, and B. not always going to be available, especially on official servers.

I'd prefer a fix that doesn't involve admins having to make discernments and referee a dinosaur game. There should be some incentives to play the game as any other real animal would by natural law. This isn't a case of realism over gameplay either, it's a case of simply making the game more fun, and making carnivore players feel like carnivores. You don't feel like a hunter when a fat stego sits on your meal and you can't do anything about it. Getting body camped is not fun whatsoever, and even if my suggestion isn't the preferred one, something should be done about it other than ignoring it and assuming that players will stop doing it without some incentive or dissuasion in place to discourage it.

[paper oriole]

95% of this behaviour happens at oasis

[signal beacon]

Honestly herbivores should have quite a fast metabolism and carnivores should be able to go days without eating

[wintry mist]

True, but that doesn't really argue against it being a problem. The reason it happens at oasis is because that's where players are (especially stegos due to food concentration) not that oasis causes it. I don't really understand where you're even going with this statement.

[paper oriole]

the behavior is so common because there are no risks, three quarters of more of the server's hebrivores are at one region and herbivores also have all the brawling animals. disease will do nothing but add yet another useless and abusable mechanic that will do nothing but shift some of the troll behaviour from one side to another, or even keep it in the same side who trolls their own faction. herbivores do it because it causes low risk conflict, because some carnos or utahs arent going to do much against a well coordinated megaherd. less hot spots to spread people out more + more variety of predators will reduce this behaviour by a lot

[wintry mist]

This could potentially mitigate the issue, but that also makes life hard for new players and fresh spawns, since finding food will be very difficult. If this were implemented as a dissuasion, it should mostly only affect grown herbivores, and to mitigate starvation issues, herbivore sniff distances should be buffed to make finding food easier for them.

[signal beacon]

Graze

[urban flax]

1. Who cares if a single rex is enough to make a herd of stegos scatter or simply die trying to stop it ? If stegos can't bodyguard, they won't bodyguard. And if they still try, they die and there are no more body campers. Carno should simply move along if it sees a herd of stegos, no matter what.
   2.It will, especially if dino AI comes back (which imo is necessary for a functioning ecosystem). Also in the future, predators probably won't have that shitty shopping list for diets, so if their kill gets guarder, they can simply move along and get another one. They deserve an increase in hunger times too.
   3.Nesting ? Earning perks ? Trying to actually survive versus real threats, like apexes and humans ?

[wintry mist]

True, but this, once again, doesn't suggest a fix for the issue. You can say mine is a bad fix, but I encourage you to actually suggest a way of fixing it OTHER than putting more work on moderators.

[paper oriole]

the fix for the issue is literally there, you just dont like it because you want muh corpse scabies

megaherds being less viable and less hot spots where people can stay in for 3571982407 hours means less body camping

you think the moderators would be strained? much less work than the coders who would have to add and balance some new mechanic that's there only in an attempt to fix one behaviour issue

moderator work is jack shit compared to the work of adding some useless new mechanic for a problem that can be solved naturally and much easier

[wintry mist]

I can somewhat agree that perhaps carnos shouldn't hunt stegos. The issue with this mentality becomes the issue with a lack of player interest diversity. Players don't really want to play smaller herbivores very often, so they'd rely on AIS to fill that spot. Everyone's going to play apexes for the most part, starving mid-range carnivores unless they can get enough AIS, whilst also already having to deal with other apex carnivores. Unless you like the idea of T-Rex park, where every dino is a T-Rex or a bronto/stego, I'd rethink this mentality a bit and consider how to preserve the diversity.

Your final point on trying to survive threats assumes those threats are present. If they aren't, the herbivores are generally free to body camp, assuming the area is not too dangerous. If they aren't safe, then neither is the canivore who got the kill, who also can't EAT the body just as the herbivores can't CAMP the body. Either the hunter loses, or everyone loses, and the apex wins by default.

[wintry mist]

I agree with this. Making herbivore food more scarce and forcing herbivores to migrate due to scarcity would 100% fix this issue and I fully agree that they should do this, and it would make herbivore gameplay at least a bit harder.

[urban flax]

It takes much less time to eat a body than to camp it
Since camping is indefinite
Also, you're assuming people will only play the big guys, which is not true in evrima. Sure, in legacy, smalls sucked so everybody played the big dinos, but this is a different game now. Also, everyone gotta rely on AIs at some point.

[wintry mist]

Making a new mechanic like this would take a bit of time, but not near as much as you assume. The work of a moderator to constantly ensure 24/7 that there's no body campers or mixpacks would be far more, and wouldn't be assured whatsoever on unmoderated servers. Servers that prefer moderators would also likely have the option to turn the mechanic off in favor of moderative action.

[wintry mist]

How long would it take for a hungry carno to eat vs a rex to bite it? That logic falls through when you think.

[urban flax]

There is not always a rex in every square meter on the map, what are you on about ?

[wintry mist]

Aside from pteradon, the only flier in the game who gets a pass, name almost anyone who plays the other small dinosaurs, such as Dryo or hypsie right now with so little diversity.

[signal beacon]

Hypsi and dryo have no unique traits atm other than smol

If the devs make all the smalls fun and unique then people will play those smalls

[urban flax]

Dryo and hypsi are incomplete and genuinely boring. But a lot of people do play Utah, Teno and Pachy, who are not the biggest things around. Also there is not a lot of diversity in evrima yet so the choice remains limited and when you pick a dino there is a 50% chance you're picking the biggest thing around, but I can assure you that when bigger lads come, some people will continue playing smalls.

[signal beacon]

Legacy was just rex sump simulator

[wintry mist]

You are missing the point, so let me IF THEN it.

If a carno kills a stego in a group of 3, and the other 2 guard the body, the carno cannot reasonably kill them to eat, so he loses this situation

If the stegos are forced away by another, larger predator, the carno must now contest with a BIGGER threat than before, and so also cannot eat, and so loses this situation

The only win here is to give up his meal and move on, and get either camped again, or kill a solo player. This shouldn't be how hunting feels every single time you earn a kill.

[urban flax]

Also, a lot of people are just wiating for burrowing and climbing to start playing and enjoying dryo and hypsi

[urban flax]

Yep, if a lone carno attacks 3 stegos and SOMEHOW manages to kill one, it cannot eat it. Pick your prey better.

In most cases, if you're alone attacking a group of opponents, you're screwed in the Isle

[wintry mist]

Utah is played because it has unique mechanics and is the only counter to the strongest herbivore, Stego. Teno and Pachy also are pretty interesting, and you have a point that people play them, but as we speak they are also not particularly small, and pachys are great stunning creatures. You're very right overall, but my point was that medium predators will struggle to find viable player food, and will have to be heavily crutched by AIs. Either risk fighting apex herbivores or rely on the hope that you somehow find the 4 or so players who decided to play something small, and even they pray they aren't mix-packing.

[urban flax]

So we should assume that the carnivores in that kind of situation are always around as many as the herbivores if they're of similar size

[urban flax]

You say that like everyone doesn't already have to rely heavily on AIs

[wintry mist]

My point boils down to there will not be near enough people playing creatures viable to hunt as carno, and so eventually, everyone will quit playing carno and start playing rex, expediting the indiversity of predators.

[urban flax]

Unless hunting AIs is fun, and I assure you it can be
It's pretty fun in Monster Hunter and in The Witcher, for example

[wintry mist]

Carnos right now rely mostly on teno and pachy players, and on other predators, who in turn rely on even smaller prey. It works like an extinction in a food chain, eventually players will all shift up into playing mostly apexes, leaving the gameplay of smaller creatures feeling incomplete.

[signal beacon]

Granted monster hunter ai are giant dragons that dont need to really aim half the time

[urban flax]

You can't predict that

[wintry mist]

But I can. It's far more bold to assume pattern recognition doesn't exist.

[urban flax]

Well when you compare them to The Isle, they're not even that different
Every creature has a set of attacks and movement options it can use to kill or run away from its opponents, with some attacks being more predictable but more powerful than others

[wintry mist]

If people can predict the stock market, I can predict the shift in player tendencies, with some degree of accuracy.

The only thing I cannot account for is future changes, which I hope prevent this from ever happening.

[urban flax]

Actually "If you know the future, it instantly shifts so you never really know it"
If you can predict how players will behave, then devs can do it too. And since devs don't want everyone playing apexes, they already figured something out to prevent it.

[signal beacon]

"With some attacks being more predictable but more powerful than others"
Mfw plesioth hip checks and hits the entire map out of nowhere

[wintry mist]

I believe that if something is not done, there will be little to no reason for most players to not start playing apex creatures, other than difficulty. Issue is, most players like difficulty, and are therefor more likely to shift into harder apex creatures

[urban flax]

I said predictable, not easy to dodge

[urban flax]

Fun ? If smalls are as fun as apxes, then people will play smalls. That's as simple as that.

In legacy everyone played apexes because there was no fun. The only thing that mattered was the combat capability of your dino.

[wintry mist]

I'm not stating any of this as binary truth, but as a negative trend the game will likely see due to smaller creatures usually not being very engaging. Dryo I think will see a resurgence with burrows. Hpysie will stay fun for blinding players. But don't pretend most people wouldn't rather play a massive ass t-rex than a little underbrush goblin.

[paper oriole]

a big reason apexes were so popular is also the fact that they could literally sit in a bush and eat spoon fed ai and then outmatch mos tof the roster in the end of it. they claim that will be fixed in evrima

[wintry mist]

I personally prefer tiny creatures, but I know how people are. I don't try to pretend that people are going to all go for gimmicks like this: they will concentrate on big, impressively large creatures most of the time.

[barren zephyr]

@strange wave Explain yourself

[paper oriole]

dilos and utahs were also incredibly popular in legacy because they were fun

[urban flax]

People might find rex to be more attractive at first, yeah. But they will get bored and change at some point, and then they might enjoy other playables as much as they enjoyed playing rex. Look at games where there are multiple playable characters, usually people never play only one, they switch often

[paper oriole]

and could kill apexes, to be fair, but fun agains tother things too

i even saw dryo groups relatively often in legacy

[wintry mist]

That never happened in legacy. Most people stuck with the apexes. What makes you think that will change now? Sure, we have a few ability smalls that are pretty cool, but the same will apply to them: people will get bored of blinding with hypsie and juking with dryo at some point.

[paper oriole]

the highest contributing factor to the apex plague was how easy they were to grow.

and how easy they were to play

[urban flax]

These will not remain the only things you can do forever.

[wintry mist]

I guess, but I don't feel making them harder to grow will necessarily fix that either. It might make there be less, which is a good thing, but players don't shy away from challenges, since most people play games to be challengedd

[paper oriole]

it will separate the wheat form the chaff

which is the point. the people not suited for that gameplay will occupy lower rungs in the ecosystem

[wintry mist]

I hope you're right.

[paper oriole]

especially if animals like troodon turn out to be entertaining

low tier animals have a lot of throwaway troll potential, some animals can hunt things much larger than themselves with proper groups, some mid tiers are strong enough but without the difficulty of an apex, it caters to enough different playstyles that can take away from apexe population if they are enough of a challenge

when gore comes maybe carni diets will be less afk growth at juvie and shopping list at adult too so thatll affect growth difficulty

[wintry mist]

I personally like smaller creatures, but one issue with them I feel is that in order for them to work their best, you need friends. I sadly don't have those

I'm too busy discussing game balance to go and make friends

[paper oriole]

i usually play small animals because i like to live fast, move fast and die fast at a low cost. group oriented smalls with actually interesting mechanics like troodon have potential to be very popular

[wintry mist]

The few I have that play are too mercurial to have dedicated sessions with.

[paper oriole]

smalls like pt right now are a pain to group with people so many idiots spam call or dont watch where theyre flying but more pvp oriented smalls or high utility smalls can be different

[wintry mist]

Pteranodon needs some love for sure. I guess baby hunting is kinda cool for the time being, and maybe leaning into that could make ptera more fun as a trolling tool and a ever-present threat to babies.

[paper oriole]

dryo is an unfinished whitetail deer gamelay dino and hypsi is a throwaway troll dino that is also unfinished so it's no surprise they are a rare sight

[wintry mist]

Also, I might be crazy, but can ptera not see footprints?

[paper oriole]

with nesting pt will probably benefit from stealing eggs but for a true pvp flier i think quetz should take that job.

i think you have to land to pick up the foot trails

with the new system

[wintry mist]

Maybe a new system alltogether, maybe being able to hear movement in bushes to track players in forests?

Idk, I guess it's fine as is

Just feels somewhat difficult to find babies as ptera

Or perhaps I just need more time with them to get good at it.

[paper oriole]

some animals having a tune in ability to dull unnecessary sound to amplify animal sounds could be nice. some flighy animals especially like dryo, ovi, troodon, etc

pt has no real reason to be hunting babies right now aside from entertainment but when nesting comes itll just automatically become less of a hassle as long as people are actually doing it

[wintry mist]

Definately could be cool.

[wintry mist]

For sure nesting will be a super big buff to ptera for being a nest pest.

Ptera needs a reason to exist and some form of interaction with other players

Right now Ptera is a nothing risked, nothing gained creature.

[paper oriole]

ptera's reason to exist right now seems to be just to spam call and swoop people. it is on the carnivore faction but it isnt a pvp heavy animal

[wintry mist]

I'd replace their bunny/frog diet with eggs.

[paper oriole]

the only thing to be ained form it is entertainment from either exploration or watching people try to kill you and you regrow in an instant if they succeed

[wintry mist]

At least egg snatching makes their hunting consequential.

[paper oriole]

frog makes sense for pt but rabbits can go away

eggs can replace rabbits

hypsi doesnt make much sense to be there either because it is a jungle animal and thats the last place pt should be hunting

[wintry mist]

I feel like both are simply too annoying to actually hunt. Ptera is not encouraged to hunt other creatures, unlike Deino, who has two entire diet categories dedicated to players (until more AIS are added)

[wintry mist]

Agreed

[paper oriole]

carrion, hatchlings, eggs, fish, frogs, turtles, crabs seems like a proper pt diet

[wintry mist]

I feel that it's diet will be re-done when more creatures are added and when nesting it added, hopefully.

[paper oriole]

its ok if it remains as a low pvp animal, if eggs and carrion are on the same rung then it can push harder for risky food options but high pvp activity flyer role can wait for quetz, who can also be another predator of pt

[wintry mist]

Absolutely, ptera shouldn't be fighting anything above the age of juvie

[paper oriole]

climbing animals like herrera will pose a new threat for careless pt as well

[wintry mist]

Eh, good pteras will just sleep on the tops of trees.

But yeah for sure

[paper oriole]

if herreras can presumably climb rock structures which is where most pt hang out right now then nesting as pt and chilling as pt at those formations can be riskier

the stone arch at the south coast, the stone outcrops at center and the tree log at the north cost all seem to be popular pt afk spots and both would be good places for herrera and other climbers to take advantage. the dam too, all those places will be less safe

[icy lion]

@dim needle Please don't use #general-feedback for questions. You're allowed to share video clips, and I'll leave your post up so you can edit it into your suggestion

All the feedback channels have a 6hr slowmode, as well

[barren zephyr]

I personally don't see it fitting the rex all that well but I can certainly see a similar sound being used for something else, such as a small to mid size therapod.

[dim needle]

Yeah, the Rex is big. But I like the snap, it would certainly suit something smaller as you said, perhaps the Alberto idk

Oh wait no

[barren zephyr]

It could be cool for alberto, I was thinking something more along the lines of sucho or bary.

[paper oriole]

it would be nice if most bites made some sort of impact sound. right now animals like the utah just sound mushy and meaty when they bite, its kind of annoying

when a utah bites all you hear is its weird ass grunt

[barren zephyr]

Yea hopefully we'll get some audio changes along the lines of that when gore comes in.

[dim needle]

Yes, I would like to put a disclaimer, this goes for all dinosaurs. I want to hear an impact from the jaws, I mean these creatures have a big bite force.

[barren zephyr]

True, it'd also be cool and add to the realism if you could hear the flesh ripping or bones crushing under the jaws of an enemy. I think we already have a few sounds along these lines like with pachys headbutting, but I could see more gruesome sound effects being expanded greatly when we get gore.

[dim needle]

True horror at its finest, just like they advertised 😄

[paper oriole]

true when i bite a pesky austro as a trike or a carno as a rex i wanna hear that crunch

[barren zephyr]

Don't we all?

[paper oriole]

the leg break crunch is bretty juicy, i want mor eof it for combat. hearing the impact of a claw swipe or a thagomizer stab tearing and puncturing the body would be so nice

and pulling off limbs of bodies or pulling out organs when the gore system comes. just make it maximum grunge with the sounds

[barren zephyr]

Gore better not disappoint, it has so much potential.

[dim needle]

😼

[barren zephyr]

I want a popping sound effect when cera pulls a magy head off

[paper oriole]

i want it to be spooky when youre a merc and your friend gets snatched up and you can just hear the crunching and munching from the deep jungle

[barren zephyr]

Perfection.

[paper oriole]

went camping one time and heard a duck get nabbed by something in the lake during the night and i could just hear the crunching echoing over the water that shit was horror

[barren zephyr]

Similar thing happened to me once, except it was a possum with a sandwich.

[paper oriole]

possum munching a sandwich? sheer terror

[barren zephyr]

The definition of it in fact.

[paper oriole]

its funny hearing something spooky outside and you look and it's just a fat opossum

had one outside my door a few months ago rummaging around, thought it was a bear but it was just an obese opossum lol

[barren zephyr]

Nice, possums are fun like that.

Loudest eaters in the animal kingdom past and present.

Relative to size of course.

[paper oriole]

theyre nice to have around though, nice to hear something you think could be a racoon or a bear and it's just a chill opossum, theyre one of the chillest animals with a bad reputation out there. the horror form the noises alone though is something i want to see in the isle

[barren zephyr]

Very environmentally beneficial as well, but yea we need some possum esk horror audio for sure.

[paper oriole]

oh god another disease debuff suggestion

[barren zephyr]

It's an easily abusable feature.

Sounds like an initially good idea but unfolds in not the greatest manor.

[paper oriole]

while it likely isnt as abusable as something like mixpack and bodyguarding diseases its still a dumb feature that can likely be achieved by things like food distribution/values

as well as a more diverse ecosystem so there arent 50 tenontos or 50 utahs or 50 carnos or something on one server

[barren zephyr]

Would help if we had better moderation on official servers as well.

[paper oriole]

things like this are best touched up on with moderation yeah, but natural features in the game can reduce it by a lot too

[barren zephyr]

This is true.

Diets are kinda a screwed feature rn ngl, mostly cause of distribution.

[paper oriole]

megaherds are heavily encouraged by oasis because all the diet foods ar ein one spot +shallow water and a mud pit

that encourages mix packing, megagrouping and corpse guarding all in one cancerous cesspit

rng diseases

no thanks

[barren zephyr]

Oasis is one of the biggest problems in evrima right now, at least in map design, who's idea was it to put a relatively shallow water, easily accessible pond, with all kinds of resources around it any way?

[paper oriole]

no the rng shit can go away, if you eat from a rotting body and you arent supposed to maybe diseases would be fine, if you eat a poisonous plant maybe getting sick can be fine, but the chance shit just punishing you for bad luck with something that makes your luck way worse is hella lame

[low canopy]

once diet food is spread more you'll see heavy decline in herbivores i reckon, running + lack of action and so on, providing more boring experience all around
but to carnis its positive i suppose

[paper oriole]

it was probably on purpose as some sort of sick social experiment lol

[barren zephyr]

I mean we're already getting like poisonous fungi and I believe plants, not the same thing as diseases like you're talking about but would play a decently similar role.

[robust cape]

No updates on the trello board for a few weeks now

[barren zephyr]

I wish I could say I'm surprised.

[robust cape]

honestly

[paper oriole]

we're also getting corpse rot, right? that's coming with gore, so punishing say, a utah for eating some rancid green moldy mushy body is fine because he did it to himself, he deserves it. but just having the game go "here's some smallpox and mange" is shitty

[low canopy]

there were updates with the roadmap update itself

[barren zephyr]

Exactly.

[low canopy]

bunch of animations that were just not listed

[paper oriole]

i've also seen people suggest contagious diseases in the past, imagine the trolling that would be done with that

[barren zephyr]

The diet system needs a revamp, but I don't think they'll able to do this properly, at least not with carnivores until we have like twice as many dinos as we do currently.

[paper oriole]

or you eat a magy and die of dysentary, peak gameplay

[remote thunder]

This. 💯 percent. Like it seriously doesn't take an IQ above 2 to figure this out.

"wHaT dOeS gLoBaL dO fOr YoU?"

[barren zephyr]

Realistic does not equal fun, the devs seem to forget this sometimes. Nature has beauty, but it can be hell.

[paper oriole]

rng choke on a bone, die

[barren zephyr]

Then people will just kill magy out of spite, an art, really.

[paper oriole]

i already plan on baiting and killing magy as an herbivore

[barren zephyr]

We can dream.

[paper oriole]

i want to kill every magy and just let the bodies rot, magy deserves this

[barren zephyr]

I personally don't even deino should have a diet, but if it does for whatever reason, magy needs to be a fav.

[paper oriole]

gators are among the least picky redators out there, it certainly shouldnt have a diet

or if anything it should just supplement its diet with fish like gators do anyway, not some luck based shit

[barren zephyr]

Ikr, it's ridiculous.

[paper oriole]

we shoulda gotten amarga, shuno or baja instead of magy

most of the 'clone' animals i can at least think of some sort of interesting niche or ability they could have, but magy? it seems like a worse hadro or a worse tenonto

tfw one of the devs in this game has made a badass baja and shuno design that could aprobably used but we still get magy

[sacred moat]

No fr

[paper oriole]

they look badass, they have viable defense

magy is the first shit that comes up when you google "dwarf sauropod" thats probably why we got it

[barren zephyr]

I would absolutely love to see the ~60 planned species all in survival, but it's just too unrealistic and problematic, especially with 200 people on a server max, that's like maybe four of your own species, and will less popular things I can see it being impossible all together to find. I love sucho but it doesn't belong, choose between acro or giga, too many ceratopsians, and then alberto is only in cause it's dondis favorite.

[sacred moat]

These look like it could defend itself against the mid tier roster or the very least a wimpy carno

[paper oriole]

magy has uhhhh muh skin bumps

[barren zephyr]

Also just amarga and shuno are infinitely better than the galapagos tortoise of dinos.

[paper oriole]

shuno has a badass tail club with little spikes on it, bajada and amarga have mohawks made of spikes, how could their choice have been so bad

magy irl literally went extinct the instant a land bridge opened to their little safe space island

bad animal

[sacred moat]

Safe space island LMAO

[paper oriole]

yes

ironically theres another animal from that same island that could actually be a cool playable

[barren zephyr]

Yea hatz which is just quetz hunted it, while in game quetz will probably just be a small game hunter. And magy has an even match up with cerato, the hell?

[paper oriole]

i wasnt thinkin of hatz but yeah lmao magy got hunted by a fuckin pterosaur how humiliating is that

[sacred moat]

Teno just seems objectively better than magy in all areas

[paper oriole]

i was thinkin of this man

[barren zephyr]

I feel like someone on the team just googled "smallest sauropod" and went with that doing 0 other research.

[barren zephyr]

What's that one called again? I recognize it.

[paper oriole]

literally, first google result for dwarf sauropod. insanity lol

[outer condor]

Balaur

[paper oriole]

balaur bondoc

omnivorous arboreal

[barren zephyr]

[paper oriole]

babi

[sacred moat]

Herrera is licking its lips rn

[barren zephyr]

There are so many amazing dinos, small sauropods even, and we get fricking scrotum beard over here.

[paper oriole]

badass two switchblade claws, stout body, omnivorous diet, great climber, possible slowfall with its feathers

he could be a brawler with his chunky little shape

ambushing and wrestling other small animals as well as eating fruits and nuts

[barren zephyr]

I like how they have four claws as well, adds some uniqueness to the other therapods.

[paper oriole]

bet those two switchblades per foot helped it a lot with climbing too

[barren zephyr]

On the topic of small unvital carnivores, opinions on beach and cliff jumping velo?

[paper oriole]

i like SUV+burrow raider velo but im fine with beach velo too. as long as he isnt just a juv utah clone

[sacred moat]

Herrera is the cliff master, and any beach niche is controversial

[barren zephyr]

Agreed.

[paper oriole]

two animals i know i want at the coast are plateo and bary (or sucho but bary looks better there)

velo and proto could fit there but imo dont need to

[barren zephyr]

Fair, I hope herrera becomes the best it can be, so much potential.

[paper oriole]

yeah changyu the superior microraptor

hes pretty cool

[barren zephyr]

Tbh I don't think we should have sucho in survival, I feel it's just perma sub spino or elder bary.

[sacred moat]

T h i s

[paper oriole]

whenever somebody's like "i want microraptor" or "i want archaeopteryx" its like bruh theyre the size of a parrot or something

oh he isnt, hes just around velo size

[barren zephyr]

If we're gonna get it make it ai, too small to be playable.

[paper oriole]

changyu and balaur both are smaller than herrera

he's probably the best solid glider candidate

or shanag but shanag is very fragmentary

[barren zephyr]

Why's that?

[paper oriole]

it could work but i dont think he could be able to you know, glide, more of a slowfall

[sacred moat]

I wouldn’t mind a slow fall or maybe a cushioned fall but not gliding

[paper oriole]

changyu is glider who could control their direction and have longer airtime

velo and balaur would fit better with a more padded fall type of thing

[barren zephyr]

Fair.

[paper oriole]

other smalls with big fluff like ovi could also have some better fall resistance from something like that

changyu could be a glass cannon ambusher of other smalls

[barren zephyr]

Anyone else kinda like the idea of omnivore ava / theri?

[paper oriole]

omnivore theri would be horror lol i want it

just impales 3 juvi raptors on its claws and eats them like corn dogs

[barren zephyr]

I was thinking more like insectivore in the omni part for theri, but yes violence.

[paper oriole]

an omnivorous ceratopsian sounds cool too for a warthog niche. it isnt very far fetched imo becausetheir beaks are pretty nasty, and ava seems outclassed by styraco and diablo one rung up anyway

anteater theri moment

i could see them being able to munch on stripped bones for a boost like irl

some herbis irl also eat baby birds which is wack

[barren zephyr]

I think it would be cool if herbivores could eat small amounts of meat or chew on bones for nutrients, but with the meat especially I can see that as problematic.

[paper oriole]

id keep it to bones personally

[barren zephyr]

Yes.

[paper oriole]

and also things like shellfish, crabs and other minescule ai

some hadro apparently snacked on shellfish

[barren zephyr]

Shellfish maia.

[paper oriole]

termite mounds

[low canopy]

ava is the size of dilo

[paper oriole]

ava isn't that small for modern ants lol

[barren zephyr]

Ava is like a boar.

[paper oriole]

modern ants sometimes kill human children and other animals around that size

like fire ants do it on occasion theyre batshit crazy but idk about people losing a dino to ants that would be annoying lol

[barren zephyr]

Anyone else kinda like the idea of pack hunting compy ai for creatures around hypsi size?

[paper oriole]

some level of aggression from compy would be nice yeah

[barren zephyr]

What about venomous compy? To stereotypical? I mean it's already a JP ripoff.

[paper oriole]

sort of like ark/jp where theyre docile or mild pests on their own but when a group shows up they get the confidence to attempt a hunt

[low canopy]

i would enjoy more agressive AI to bring some dangers to less popular zones on the map, but there are probably just as many that dont want it

[paper oriole]

venomous compy is ehhhhhh we already have 3 venomous predators coming

if we get a fourth it should be something really unique

and some big ol bee hives

[barren zephyr]

megalania needs a remodel how did they frick up a monitor lizard

[paper oriole]

i hate megalanias weird ass mouth gape

they tried too hard to smaug his face

[barren zephyr]

Bingo

[paper oriole]

especially since the smaug face doesnt fit the rest of his design

[barren zephyr]

That and his freaky grizzly hump, it's kinda cool, but why not just give us big monitor? We got big gator.

[paper oriole]

mega did have a sort of hump on his neck in his skeletal but idk if i like just how big it is lol

i can probably get used to the hump but if its face actually gape slike the concept art i dont think i can grow to like that

hot take
palaeophis >>>>> titanboa

[barren zephyr]

Titanoboa shouldn't be a survival playable imo.

[barren zephyr]

Finally, someone else who believes the same.

[paper oriole]

[barren zephyr]

Titano didn't even have a jaw like modern snakes. Now paleophis...

[paper oriole]

titanboa was just a big elephant trunk snake essentially

couldnt unhinge its jaw like modern boas, was trash outside the water

[barren zephyr]

They better leave it ai if anything.

[paper oriole]

chad sea snake

[barren zephyr]

I was just gonna send that XD

[paper oriole]

would be good for the oceanic roster in 500 years or whatever when they get to developing that

[barren zephyr]

Agreed.

[paper oriole]

palaeophis, atopodentatus, nothosaurus. my beloved

tanystropheus for the lols

[barren zephyr]

[paper oriole]

that whale looking mf could probably fit

mammals are usually kinda cringe but he looks close enough

close enough to a marine reptile with that mean ass face

[barren zephyr]

Well, nice talking dino nerd stuff with y'all I'm head out now. Farewell.

[paper oriole]

nautilus ai in the ocean pls

looks so prehistoric but isnt

dodo? did somebody say rat food

maybe it can have hyperendocrin dodorex form too, yes?

god i want him so bad

but he cute. if they were in the isle though i'd probably not be able to eat them because of that

[tight oxide]

trust me even the devs can mess up a over grown snake

megalania is what you get when you try too hard on a look

[remote thunder]

Either this shit is glitched or admins are deleting ✅'s in #general-feedback....

[limber hull]

what are you talking about lmao

the admins gain nothing from doing that

[tepid gate]

The devs don't care about the reactions in the first place, really it's just something that the community feels good about

[gritty helm]

it's probably discord being discord if we're being honest

[remote thunder]

Probably. I see 3 ✅'s on my last comment and there was about a dozen earlier around noon today. Yes, I know people can uncheck their emojis.

[tepid gate]

@mint girder If we are to be this realistic - neither should Deino

[mint girder]

Well deino doesn’t really run

[tepid gate]

the largest crocs nowadays reach roughly the same speed as Stegosaurus did

both move way faster than that in the game

I agree that the animation for Stego's running is bad

if that's what you're getting at

but I don't know if they could make it quite that fast without having it run, perhaps I guess? But Idk

[mint girder]

I guess so

But stegosaurus could literally not perform the running motion

[tepid gate]

a rework of that animation would be very much appreciated because it's probably the most sloppy animation currently in the game

Even disregarding whether it could do that or not - the thing looks like a balloon animal in the game when it runs

[mint girder]

Yeah

[tepid gate]

It gives me the vibe of being at risk of getting carried away by wind

[sand lantern]

@mint girder stego wouldn’t stand a chance against apexes if it couldn’t run

[mint girder]

Why would an apex attack a stego then

Buff stego idk

Tank problem solved

[limber hull]

????

[sand lantern]

Keep sprint cause ALMOST EVERY PREDATOR OUT RUNS IT AND ITS A WASTE OF A GREAT ANIMATION. Problem solved

[mint girder]

I don’t get your point

[mint girder]

The animation kinda sucks

Like it’s not bad it just makes zero sense

[sand lantern]

Magy…

[mint girder]

What about it

[sand lantern]

Just magy in general

[mint girder]

What about it

[sand lantern]

It’s a sauropod that gallops and can out run allo

[mint girder]

It’s not really as big as stego though

[limber hull]

we have literally zero confirmation that it can outrun allo

[mint girder]

And stego physically could not run

[sand lantern]

Oh I thought it was

I saw something on it

[limber hull]

the whole argument is that everyone thinks magy will always die to allo

the devs insist this isn't the case

[sand lantern]

There’s no point removing it cause most predators out run it

[limber hull]

so apparently that just counts as confirmation that either
A: Allo is just slower than magy (ridiculous)
B: Allo isn't being added so magy doesn't die instantly (more ridiculous)

[mint girder]

That doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be removed

It’s not about speed it’s about not being dumb

[sand lantern]

Would you enjoy stego without its run?

[mint girder]

Sure

It doesn’t really need it for anything except moving a little faster

To get to center

[sand lantern]

It’s not a sauropod

[mint girder]

So

[sand lantern]

That’s a sauropod thing

[mint girder]

It’s a stegosaurus thing too

[sand lantern]

Not what I’m seeing

[mint girder]

What do you mean

[sand lantern]

Just let stego run. The isle is inaccurate and a running stego is a very small thing that know one but you cares about.

[mint girder]

I do not care if it is accurate or not. It looks very stupid.

Also ratio + didn’t ask+ mid + stego can’t run + your opinion is invalidated.

• L

[sand lantern]

Only you care about that cause know one else does. Is it game breaking? No. Is it immersion ruining? No. Because everyone is fine with it and you are the only person who cares.

[mint girder]

I didn’t really ask though

• ratio

[limber hull]

dont you only ratio if more people agree with you

[mint girder]

Yes wavepoole

[limber hull]

except no one here has agreed with removing sprint

[mint girder]

That is indeed how to ratio

[sand lantern]

What ratio no one agreed with you 😂

[limber hull]

so, get ratioed lmao

[mint girder]

It had not been discussed

Ratio wavepoole plus L plus poor name

And some have already dry agreed with me just scroll up

[sand lantern]

Your just pathetic at this point 😂

[mint girder]

You’re*

👴🏿

🧠

[sand lantern]

Oops

[limber hull]

man ran out of arguments so now he's acting like the royal fool

[mint girder]

I already stated my argument

[sand lantern]

Ik right

[mint girder]

Which was right 🕶

[sand lantern]

L + Ratio

[mint girder]

L

[sand lantern]

You have no ratio😂

[limber hull]

this argument is boring now, y'all doing the "i ran out of things to say so lemme post overused memes"

[sand lantern]

Ok

[mint girder]

Leave

[limber hull]

why would you ping me to bring me back to tell me to leave

let me leave you fucking leech

[mint girder]

A lapse in my judgment

Damn you’re 21

🤐

[sand lantern]

Maybe “your” opinions are just awful and you should stop defending yourself and just accept you are wrong

[mint girder]

Maybe you should stop talking forever

[limber hull]

yes and

lmao

[mint girder]

Because stegosaurus can in fact not run

[sand lantern]

That’s what you should do and what everyone wants you to do

[limber hull]

let me beat your entire argument with one simple argument

this is the Isle

[mint girder]

Immediately dies

[limber hull]

the Isle has had rexes outrunning gigas

the Isle has JP raptors

[sand lantern]

L + Ratio

[mint girder]

L

[limber hull]

stop doing that shit lmao its so fucking lame

[mint girder]

I don’t really care

[limber hull]

so you don't care about outright unrealistic shit

but stego running is where you cross the line?

[sand lantern]

YET YOU CARE ABOUT STEGO RUNNING?!?! This is why no one agrees with you

[limber hull]

an entire animal that doesn't fucking exist isn't as immersion-breaking as stego running lmao

[mint girder]

2 people speak for the whole server 👀

[tight oxide]

apparently utah turn radius too

stego run is fine imo

what do you want stego to do?

[mint girder]

Walk fast

[tight oxide]

thats trot

[limber hull]

trot lmao

[mint girder]

Walk faster

[sand lantern]

Uhh

[tight oxide]

still trot

[mint girder]

That’s ok

[tight oxide]

you want a even faster walk for stego?

[mint girder]

Sure

[tight oxide]

what would stego do with a rex then lmao

[mint girder]

Use its tail full of spikes

[limber hull]

die i guess. All herbis are fodder for carnis smh

[sand lantern]

Basically MrBlunt here has lost an argument and is crying about it

[tight oxide]

pachy vs utah changed that
stego vs deino 😄

[mint girder]

By that point in the game most things will be buff anyway

[mint girder]

I stopped talking to you a while ago

[tight oxide]

but stego would still be slower than rex and die

[mint girder]

Pachy is the devil

[sand lantern]

And started crying 😂

[mint girder]

💦💦💦💦💦💦💦

[tight oxide]

why grow something for 5 hours to die to something thats better than you in almost every way including speed

[sand lantern]

Ik right

[tight oxide]

like wut

[sand lantern]

That’s what I said first

[mint girder]

I’m saying I don’t think rex should kill it so easily at all

[tight oxide]

you forgot how rex would be...

[sand lantern]

THAT WOULD BE INACCURATE AND WE CANT HAVE THAT!!!!

[mint girder]

What do you mean

[mint girder]

How’s that innacurate

[tight oxide]

its rex...

[mint girder]

So 👀

[limber hull]

stego is going to be lighter than every other apex and unless you buff the thagomizers to do INSANE damage or do some other shit to compensate, it's fucked

[tight oxide]

people would cry if stego clapped rex

cant deny

[mint girder]

Nothing wrong with tanks

[limber hull]

Stego isn't meant to be a tank tho

[mint girder]

Let them cry

[tight oxide]

most players wanna see rex go ham on stego like its jurassic world

[sand lantern]

Tiny head and a short tail vs GIANT HEAD STRONGEST BITE

[limber hull]

Among apexes, it's a glass cannon

[mint girder]

Move head away problem solve

[tight oxide]

if we did that for everything in balancing then at some point some wont play sooo...

[tight oxide]

you just said stego should only fast walk

[limber hull]

If rex does 1000 damage with an attack, stego is dead in 6 attacks lmao

[mint girder]

I think the people will survive if Rex can’t kill everything in the game

[tight oxide]

bet 1200n is gonna be brought back smh

[mint girder]

Just buff stego by the time it’s added

[tight oxide]

then you got more problems for other dinos lmao

[mint girder]

Like what

[paper oriole]

Jesus that stego feedback

[tight oxide]

what would you even buff stego in

[mint girder]

Damage

[tight oxide]

bruuuuh

[mint girder]

Nerf speed the end

[tight oxide]

bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh

[mint girder]

Win

[paper oriole]

Imagine traveling with that shit

[mint girder]

It hurts nobody

[mint girder]

Pain

[tight oxide]

how would stego even get diet plants well if its forced to move...

[paper oriole]

Make an already slow playable just plain unbearable

[sand lantern]

Stego is forced into a fight it can’t escape from even tho it saw the giant ass Rex hiding in a bush and tried to get away but COULDNT RUN and got clapped

[limber hull]

Whereas rex is likely ending up near 8-9tons. Stego currently does a little over 1000 damage. This means that unless you fucking made the tail swing outright broken, it'd be fucked. And in the case where stego obliterates a rex or any apex that comes near it but is extremely slow as a tradeoff, it's essentially an anky clone with bleed

[mint girder]

By walking

[tight oxide]

I've see people call stego dps or hp too much but no one called it too fast lmao

[mint girder]

What’s wrong with a super strong tail and a slow body

[limber hull]

What you are suggesting is essentially making stego into an anky reskin

[limber hull]

That's anky. You're just asking for anky 2

[sand lantern]

Just accept defeat you cry baby

[paper oriole]

Blunt just admit it you just want nobody to play stego

[mint girder]

Very different to ably

[limber hull]

Okay. What does it NOT sprinting add to the animal

[tight oxide]

only way i see stego somehow fighting off rex without killing balancing is if stego tail head shots were percent based or something

[mint girder]

I’m saying change the animation to a fast walk not outright remove the sprint

[sand lantern]

ONE GO STABBY STABBY OTHER GO SMACKY SMACKY

[tight oxide]

i would rather have rex not run imo

[limber hull]

Stego should outrun a rex, just saying

[mint girder]

That too

[sand lantern]

What did you say in general feedback again?

[mint girder]

In what universe could it do that

[tight oxide]

then leave stego alooone

[mint girder]

Never

[tight oxide]

question should trike run?

[limber hull]

The Isle universe lmao

This is the fucking Isle. Realism is a suggestion

[mint girder]

It should move kinda fast but not a full on run

[tight oxide]

well more of what year the isle takes place and what island but yea

[tight oxide]

so faster than stego?

[mint girder]

Significantly

[tight oxide]

sad...

[mint girder]

I do not hate stego

[sand lantern]

APEX BALANCING 101

[limber hull]

(he does)

[tight oxide]

how would stegos avoid trikes smh

[mint girder]

Tail

[sand lantern]

No you hate losing an argument

[tight oxide]

tail vs armored head with horns?

[limber hull]

Call admin for KOS

Herbis shouldn't fight herbis smh

[tight oxide]

nah i think ill spam body down in chat

[mint girder]

Trike is the natural predator of stego

[tight oxide]

what

[sand lantern]

My guy has the Brain of a stegosaurus

[tight oxide]

what the what

[limber hull]

This is getting so fucking stupid it actually hurts

[mint girder]

I’m joking

[tight oxide]

trike hunts stego for food confirmed?!

[sand lantern]

What are you smoking?

[mint girder]

It beats stego to death with its eyes

[limber hull]

He's both joking while that's actually what would happen if stego couldn't outrun trike

[tight oxide]

hmmm yes stego shouldnt run cus looks weird while we got utah jumping higher than most big cats if not all

[sand lantern]

I think we broke him

[limber hull]

If trike outruns stego, stego is fucked if a trike chooses violence

[tight oxide]

i dont understand what you said here but alr

[mint girder]

Idk

[sand lantern]

BALANCE 101

[mint girder]

Stego with fractures or something