general-feedback-discussion

[hasty galleon]

dies

[limber hull]

i also dont really like the idea at all lmao

carno already suffers heavily from bleed

[hasty galleon]

shshshshshshshhshs

[limber hull]

bleed ramps up in effectiveness the more an animal moves

carno moves A LOT

[hasty galleon]

That is true

[limber hull]

especially sprinting

also, low blood reduces stam regen, which is a necessary stat for carno in all scenarios

[hasty galleon]

I got pounce by a utah, for like half its stam at fresh sub, i ran down a hill forl ike 5 seconds sad down, and died.

all within 30 seconds

when the utah was on me i only lost a quarter of blood

it was big sad

utahs are devastating

[outer sphinx]

adult utah?

[hasty galleon]

Yeh

I mightve been fresh sub

but

Dayum i got wrecked

there was two- wait i got poucned by both of them

so, got poucned by a male and female utah and died within 20 seconds due to bled

[outer sphinx]

if it was adult ye it makes sense as you where a sub, not much health

[hasty galleon]

👍

i expected to survive because i had once before but then again there was only one Utah that time lol

[barren zephyr]

We just need more ways to wallow since mud pits are in few locations

[hasty galleon]

true, the closest mud pit to me was Oaisis. a hotspot. where the utahs are that tried to kill me.

[barren zephyr]

What it should be is big mud pits that can heal bleed for more than 1 creature. However small mud spots can be scattered around and they become less effective the less it rains. So if it hasn’t rained in awhile they would dry up and you would need to go to a heavier mud pit (current ones)

And the small patches would be pretty frequent

Not all over but enough to find some easily

[signal beacon]

And smellable

[hasty galleon]

YES

Prefect i agree much

[outer sphinx]

could be that water ponds that form after rain the more they get interacted with in any way they will turn to mud pits that disaper if it doesnt rain in a set time, these mud pits only work for smaller creature (or dedicated to the pond before it) and just slow the bleed, while the masive ones outright stop it if you also sit

[hasty galleon]

👍

[manic sun]

Mud pits themselves are just bad. U can't run in them neither can u execute ur abilites in them and on top of that they're placed at the worst spots ever

[barren zephyr]

They need a rework to not just be in random places and actually be placed places they would go

[manic sun]

yessir

[lavish quail]

Or just make them more effective than river banks and have river banks re-added

[silver zephyr]

The food values are definitely off atm but a baby teno absolutely shouldn't fill up an adult carno's hunger.

[floral zealot]

well he did say that it should not be like that because of balance, he was just making a statement. I can say for sure it is extremely skewed. A full deino at 0% food wont even get full off another full grown deino. Have tried

[tight oxide]

food values should be based on how big an animal of that size stomach would be

not the animal size itself

[dense vale]

i know Jace does good work but hes starting on a flawed foundation so kinda feel bad for him if anything. some versions of the map may have been better but still if it were up to me id delete 75% of this jungle and make new biomes while focusing on what made older maps good

[jovial crow]

You are supposed to use mudpits after finishing the fight or when the predator has lost you, you should not use the mudpit mid fight, and if you could have the same mobility it would be abusable, people would stay inside waiting to a mistake of their oponent or untill it goes away

[jovial crow]

Above 40% teno, should fill an adult carno

[tame jetty]

@valid raven i believe you can search fir the name of the servers. But remember to switch the one box from "offical" to "unoffical" before doing so if you're looking for unoffical servers, otherwise nothing will come up ig

[limber hull]

@tame jetty You want to know why not? Very simple. Dinosaurs don't have maps lmao

[tame jetty]

So it's a game, it's realistic but not a real world simulator 🙈

[limber hull]

alright

reason 2, devs said they aren't doing it

[tame jetty]

I wonder why, having to use third program maps as annoying as having to use discord for vc.s, should all been in one game

[jovial crow]

Why would you need a map? Just go centre, is the only place where you can find other players

[tame jetty]

lol that isn't meant to last :D its just poor design right now since no herbi plants skattered enough ig (and prob some other reasons other players picked up

[limber hull]

maps have been denied because it makes little sense for animals to know 100% where they are and it loses the whole experience of getting lost

[tame jetty]

players would have the choice to use or not to use it tho lol

if they don't wanna add ingame map, i for sure hope they improve their map design soon so you can actually navegate by land lol - this jungle ain't doing it xD

[manic sun]

Wrong if u ask me, you're supposed to use them to hide ur scent to escape a predator, cuz with the new tracking system it's nearly impossible to escape a predator. You can also use them to heal ur bleed mid fight. And about ur third point, that's what ppl are already doing rn. That's why the river bank mud pools were way better than the new ones, especially with bleed being a decent threat now

[manic sun]

Your right, also we (and the dinosaurs, probably) can remember specific landmarks and positions. So u can kind of map out the world in ur head.

A map is unneeded, there's also vulnona btw

[jovial crow]

I learned the map in my first 10 hours, is not hard

[fiery remnant]

can you optimize the game please, because I have a friend with whom I was playing only now that when he spawns on the map his textures are not loaded at all and he can't play

[barren zephyr]

Yes

[woeful notch]

Tf is this

[zinc oriole]

a friend :)

[low canopy]

go zoom around and scare carnivores

[manic sun]

@stray holly I think every species should have 1 nutrient that's easy to get and then the next one would be medium to get and the other one would be very hard to get but rewards u with a perfect diet. So elite fish could be that easy nutrient to get, diets just need to be made harder overall and herbi food has to be spread over the map instead of putting all of it nearby center so u can just get ur whole diet in 5 minutes and return to the mudpool where you'll be guarded by all the herbivores in the server

[grizzled vector]

its like south is the only place you can find other people

[paper oriole]

imagine getting screwed by the game rng just saying "yeah your stats will be shittier than that guys just because". no thanks

[frozen kestrel]

lol

[floral zealot]

the only way i can see that ever being implemented is the breading system, babys born from nests are stronger then rando's, but even that is stretching it

[paper oriole]

if its done with breeding it should be based on the health status of the parents and/or how well the eggs and nest are taken care of, and that would only really be fair if we could see things like the diet status, perks and colors of the parents in the menu

which would also likely result in parents with poor status being picked lest for nesting, realistically reflecting unhealthy animals' reduced ability to multiply in nature

[floral zealot]

and there age, also, like if they are elders but in the strong elder stage there babies would be better, but once they reach the week elder stage they can no longer bread

[tight oxide]

Like this idea

But random spawns should have something going for them

Like spawning with more food idk

[paper oriole]

Don’t random spawns come in at juvenile stage. Thats fine enough for them imo

[tight oxide]

Devs said they will spawn in as they now

[paper oriole]

Nested comes in at hatchling stage so by default their growth will take a little longer, but that dan vary depending on the way they and the solos grow

[tight oxide]

So babies

[tight oxide]

Rando and nesting spawn stages will be the same

So if we add nesting buffs then random spawn needs something good about it in anyway

[paper oriole]

This was the misinterpretation i assume, so juvies are for random spawns and hatchlings are for nests

Meaning the bonus would just be a small head start and no punishing genes, but also no rewarding ones. With a genetics system at least

[tight oxide]

:oooo

So what do i call the stage we are spawning in as rn

[paper oriole]

[tight oxide]

[limber hull]

Juvi

[tight oxide]

and the stage after that before sub adult?

[limber hull]

Juvi

[tight oxide]

so 2 juvie?

[limber hull]

Yes

One’s juvi and the other is bigger juvi

[tight oxide]

lmao well alright

i guess ill call it teen or something

[manic flint]

Adolescent

Or something

[tight oxide]

too small for me to call it that imo

[signal beacon]

I feel like juvenile stage as a whole will likely get made longer to compensate for not spawning as a hatchling

[fallen cargo]

Why would it get longer? Isn't that the trade off for nesting? A bit longer of a growth time to spawn in a full group, while spawning solo is to actually grow faster at the risk of going solo?

[signal beacon]

What we have right now is base growth for spawns. Nesting growth will be longer than the growth we have now. I was saying that you'd stay in the juvenile category longer because you won't spawn at hatchling stage.

[paper oriole]

Instead of a kill feed death screen like what is in that suggestion it would be more useful to have an admin log that lists off who kills who, among other things. A lot less abusable because it would only go bad if the server admins are also bad anyway

[heady quarry]

100%. Being able to see the username of everyone who kills you is a GREAT way to make a game like this as toxic as possible

[paper oriole]

Easy way to get people smeared in servers or even to simply tell your friends their username and find them ingame for a salty revenge kill

[jovial crow]

in what way is the idea of @solemn holly abusable?

[paper oriole]

i mean the reasons are literally right above your question

[barren zephyr]

Revenge killing

Telling them what Dino, skin and area they are in

[paper oriole]

revenge killing and smearing which are rampant in the survival gaming community

[barren zephyr]

Technically you don’t even need names to revenge kill rn

[paper oriole]

even if they dont revenge kill, they can start shit like "hey X is a KFSer and a hacker dont group with him just kill him on sight" and it will just make things harder for that person

like they cn get salty and just start lobbing accusations and people believe it lol

[signal beacon]

Average BoB day ^

[barren zephyr]

Basically

[tight oxide]

Skin system makes revenge killing easy in general

Pot so far is trying to stop it so idk

[barren zephyr]

Tbf you can only revenge kill if your in a group

Or if you have friends to do it for you

[tight oxide]

Yet bob you must still travel the map to find em

Plus in the isle ppl with multiple copies can join on a alt and kill you if they find you...

[paper oriole]

in PoT its probably worse than all of them due to character slots making it mad easy

[barren zephyr]

Anyone buying multiple copies is just desperate

[quaint crest]

Hi, how can I get the Content Creator role? I am on twitch :YEP:

[signal beacon]

No

[quaint crest]

Bruh...

Wym?

[signal beacon]

No

This is the wrong channel to ask

[quaint crest]

Well then tell me where and dont just write no xD

[signal beacon]

Nah

Ask in isle discussion

[quaint crest]

wow. I love the community here already

[gusty patrol]

welcome in all seriousness, i’d made the same mistake aswell lmao

[tepid gate]

You could call it an "adolescent" apparently that's a growth stage in Path of Titans that is between the "juvenile" and "subadult", I guess TI decided to go the same way and add this additional stage too.

[hoary dawn]

you spawn as a hatchling, then go juvie, sub adult, and adult

[jovial crow]

@barren zephyr hypsi spit is for defence not for attacking, you are supposed to use it when a carni gets close to you, not you getting close to the carni

[empty epoch]

@vestal sandal in #general-feedback is better

[jovial crow]

@latent olive yeah large dinos don't have to be always super slow but carno's courting animation looks like it is going at X2 speed

[latent olive]

guess what

animals can move pretty quickly

[jovial crow]

are you reading? i know they can move fast, but the video of the courting animation looks like is going x2 speed

not the carno itself

[latent olive]

then slow it down by x2 speed and lets see what it looks like

[wicked osprey]

@steel flower yeah lots of stuff in this game work when they shouldnt and viceversa

[tepid gate]

That example video for Teno kick not landing is absolutely awful - the Teno there did not land that kick, it wasn't even aimed at Stego and the kick went right next to it. Idk what that is supposed to prove but if that attack did hit it would suggest that something is wrong with the hitboxes.

[grizzled reef]

Why did they call the Type-M Magna and not Magnus?

Magna is for plural neuter names or singular female names

It should be magno, magnus, or magni

[signal beacon]

The type-H is the hypoendocrin.

Type-M would be things like the magnatyranyus

[grizzled reef]

got that

[urban flax]

Maybe Dondi didn't study latin for long enough to care about that and thought magnatyrannus was cooler than magnustyrannus, which I agree with

[grizzled reef]

magnotyrannus?

megatyrannus? this one is greek tho

[urban flax]

Magnotyrannus doesn't sound that good either

And megatyrannus sounds very edgy

[paper oriole]

Fishing utahs

[urban flax]

The idea of getting perks through doing what the perk allows you to do is so stupid. Increases grinding for a game that is already extremely grindy.

Also... you gotta kill carnos in order to be able to get a perk that allows you to kill carnos or what ?

[keen basin]

Not like that

[paper oriole]

Literally swim in circles in some puddle/dead river at the end of the map so your can eat fish lmao

Sounds dumb

[keen basin]

No, you wouldn’t get perks like that, it would be like using water to help you not just water camping

So if you used water to swim out of a fight and stuff you would slowly get progress but if you just sit in water it does nothing

[urban flax]

So you got even less control about what perks you get

[floral zealot]

not only that but sounds like a pain to code in, and can be easily abused

[paper oriole]

And how would the game even determine this

[manic flint]

Apparently you're supposed to eat certain 'extravagent' foods and stuff like that if I'm remembering that correctly

[keen basin]

Yes, if you as a carno eat crabs and turtles you slowly integrate them into your diet, if as a Utah you eat fish and swim you slowly gain the ability to fish etc.

Idk I’m not developer so this might be improbable I just thought it might be cool

[urban flax]

That's not really the point of diets

Actually it's the opposite

[manic flint]

Nah
And that would be over generations not 1 playthrough

Like if you swim a lor maybe your swimming stamina will be better or something

[keen basin]

Maybe I just want to see an adaptation system in one way or another lol

[tight oxide]

I mean you would learn

So you would just be a good swimmer utah but compared to generations of swimming utahs you would be slow

At some point utah might not be slowed down by shallow water lol

[manic flint]

@red pecan Why tho

It's hard enough to land as it is

At least it has some reward

[paper oriole]

carno charge is like the easiest special ability to avoid if you pay remote attention to your surroundings

[barren zephyr]

General feedback is kinda wild today

[paper oriole]

i want fat rex

[barren zephyr]

🗿

[paper oriole]

no more tyrannorexic

[manic flint]

I press w once and mash right click and I win

[paper oriole]

i like to wait for premature charge carnos to get close and then just take a few steps to the side

bring their hopes up a bit

[tight oxide]

I think they're onto something

not carno specially

[manic flint]

Exactly
But cause teno has slam they lose half their health cause of it

[tight oxide]

but your dino actually acting like a normal living thing when being bit while stunned

I think when stunned and you do the getting up animation you should instantly gain control when hit

while keeping how long you are stunned when downed

thats just how i think knock downs should work imo

[manic flint]

You don't get up faster if your actively being bitten or not
Why does that make sense

Youre being attacked anyway

Your gonna get up asap

[tight oxide]

so you're telling me when you are getting up and are being repeatedly hit it doesnt make sense that your dino will get up fast when being attacked during getting up

i think i worded that wrong

[manic flint]

Yes
It's already being attacked so it's already getting up as quickly as possible

Making it faster makes no sense

[tight oxide]

it really doesnt get up as fast as you would expect

[manic flint]

If you were referring to sitting it would make more sense
Which is why they added the quick get up

[tight oxide]

you stay stunned on ground thats fine

but getting up is like extra stun time since you cant move while doing the animation of getting up

and you get up pretty slow imo

[manic flint]

It probably hurts a hell of a lot to get barreled over of course they aren't gonna stand up instantly lol

[tight oxide]

just doesnt make sense to me

[tight oxide]

thats why they are knocked down for those seconds?

[manic flint]

Have you ever been knocked down by an attack before?

Especially a strong one

[tight oxide]

im saying they should make the getting up animation cancel when hit while doing it

or speed it up some

[manic flint]

Your so dazed that you don't get up instantly

[tight oxide]

depends how hard we are talking

like punches? or car hits

[manic flint]

I got kicked in the head by a guy twice my size and bro I took a while to stand up
I got a concussion from that

My head hurts thinking about it

It was a side kick too...

[tight oxide]

ok that

is a concern for you personally...

might wanna get that checked out....

[manic flint]

It was an accident
I was at Taekwondo and the guy behind me was too close

[tight oxide]

ok you were on the ground right?

laying there basically stunned from the impact?

[manic flint]

But that wasn't a full power kick and it felt that bad
How would it feel to get barreled over by a carno

[manic flint]

Yes

[tight oxide]

im just saying it annoys me how your dino acts like it isnt getting bitten or smacked to death while doing its stun get up animation

[manic flint]

Took me a good 3 seconds after that to stand up without falling over again

[tight oxide]

it just tanks it...

like when you pounce a pachy and it doesnt do reaction animations

[tight oxide]

but if someone tapped you or something wouldnt you notice or react?

[manic flint]

Yea

[tight oxide]

exactly

[manic flint]

So you're saying you want a new animation?

[tight oxide]

thats why im saying bring that to stun animation get ups

[tight oxide]

kinda or something to make me feel like my dino has pain receptors when getting up from stun

[manic flint]

It does wail in pain

[tight oxide]

not

it makes sounds sure but...

no reaction cus animation of getting up takes a weird priority

[manic flint]

I mean they could make it flinch I guess

[tight oxide]

i think many things need flinching animations lol

but question?

[manic flint]

Yea?

[tight oxide]

what do you think would be a good and logical way to fix 2 utahs pouncing pachy

its over 800 kg on pachy

[manic flint]

Make the Utah grapple the back, not it's side, so only 1 Utah can fit

[tight oxide]

when that happens and pachy doesnt slow down either

[manic flint]

They won't add that because it's pretty abusable

And makes matchups unfair

[tight oxide]

yet they said they were aiming to make utah pouncing pachy seem logical

pachy could at least show pain...

[tight oxide]

heh unfair....

ill see how utah vs pachy goes after megaherds are stopped or oasis deleted

[tight oxide]

wait utah can one shot pachy with one pounce if pachy doesnt buck right?

[manic flint]

Probably

[manic flint]

It all depends if it gets a pounce
If Utah can pounce it can bleed pachy out
If pachy gets any kind of fracture utah is toast

[tight oxide]

body fractures lets you live somewhat

head i can find myself still surviving if i can save stam well

[manic flint]

Leg is insta death, head is a good chance, body prevents Utah from hunting

[tight oxide]

you would be surprised but

3 pachys were fighting me and one broke my leg and i managed to kill one before i died

i kept dodging while they kept hiting each other XD

i landed bites when i could

(i was a utah)

[manic flint]

Ok so the pachies were just trash

[tight oxide]

Yes

Very trash

[manic flint]

that doesnt count

[tight oxide]

It could

[manic flint]

they require at least 1 functioning brain cell for it to count

[tight oxide]

Herbivores rn are mostly no skilled playables

I have such an easy time using them that its funny

[manic flint]

Lies
The amount of bad teno players I see is remarkable

[tight oxide]

those players must be first timers at the isle

[manic flint]

Nah
They just waste their stam slamming when they are too far and running around

[tight oxide]

question

how many solo utah pounces does it take to bleed carno out

[manic flint]

I don't know

[tight oxide]

what about for teno

[manic flint]

I dont have them memorized anymore

[tight oxide]

lol rip

[manic flint]

I just feel it out lol

Especially cause Utah's can jump off at any time it doesn't matter

[tight oxide]

i heard it takes 2 full utah pounces to dmg kill a carno

[wild stone]

Dude
Absolutely. We need AI to drink. Also they need to swim at a reasonable speed. Please let AI search for food, eat, drink, have stamina consumption, and break bones / take fall damage. Make AI Great Again
I won't be playing deino until AI drink.

[paper oriole]

When was AI ever great to begin with

Combat based perks, especially speed can very easily lead to a colossal balance fuckup across the board

[tight oxide]

At this point i prefer legacy ai lmao

[tight oxide]

Ai carno

Very good ai

Very balanced

Very cool

[paper oriole]

I think ai tenonto was very good and balanced when it turned in to a motorboat and chased my pteranodon at nearly the speed i was flying in an attempt to protect his fish friends

[tight oxide]

Ai utah vs player dryo was hell you gotta admit

Ai utah could find you hiding anywhere and locked in like a missile

[paper oriole]

AI utah used to crawl out of the woodworks when ever i killed something as a utah

I killed a boar and 2 utah ai came to eat it

[tight oxide]

Bruuuuh

The true compys

Im telling rn compys are so rare seeing how mnay bodies i find

Compys should have a spawn timer near a corpse imo

[paper oriole]

I killed a player doing the same thing thinking they were yet another ai lmao the ai lead to worse player interactions

[tight oxide]

Smh devs really did well at making ai act like players lmao

[paper oriole]

Compies are horrible i saw a bunch swimming in circles in the river because a utah body was on the shore and i kicked a bunch to death with my merc

[tight oxide]

Compys were legit in a conga line near a dead juvie utah lmao

I killed them all as my juvie ootah ofc but it was funny

[paper oriole]

The only times i see them spawned they are broken one way or another

Also they are missing a ton of animations they just t pose sometimes

[tight oxide]

Think the isle needs to improve more on data or servers to fix all these underlying problems

But it might be something else tbh

[paper oriole]

Might partially be the asset itself in this case

[tight oxide]

Cus things keep breaking compared to what devs show

I do think ai becoming motorboats are a oversight on the devs side

[empty epoch]

AI being worked on by one person

there is nothing else you could expect

[tight oxide]

Shouldnt be the case

[empty epoch]

🙂

[tight oxide]

But would be hard to hire a new person

[empty epoch]

Yes

[paper oriole]

That seems to be a case with a lot of their issues they need more people working on it

[tight oxide]

A dedicated optimizer for the game would be nice maybe

[paper oriole]

Not just with ai, but with other things like animation, connection stability and optimization

[empty epoch]

That makes little meaning

[tight oxide]

I said maybe tbf

[empty epoch]

To hire someone to "optimise" the game means they need another programmer

another programmer who understands the language the devs are using.
Basically someone who has to actively work on the game

[limber hull]

the skill tree looks really bad for a game like this

PoT style shit, not a fan at all

[empty epoch]

BoB skill tree bad

[paper oriole]

I want to be a tech shaman troodon

[tight oxide]

Pot skill tree aint that bad imo

Compared to bob at least

[paper oriole]

Pot skills have deinocheirus outswimming sarcos and butchering them in the water

[limber hull]

I count them both under the same garbo tree

[tight oxide]

Bob be like lemme increase my velo dmg and speed and hp to max to survive one hit from a rex

[limber hull]

Unlocking attack power, new attacks and better stats would basically lead to animal minmaxing

[limber hull]

"Maybe a skill tree that you can achieve based on your diet or amount of kills of a specific animal. An example of its uses could be you buying into a different type of attack. Or one of your attacks doing more than the others. You could spec into damage, speed, defense, etc"

Like that isn't what he's suggesting here

[tight oxide]

I think perks should be niche changes

[paper oriole]

Isle matchups often are also heavily reliant on speed differences too so enabling people to increase their speed can lead to big problems

[limber hull]

pretty sure most people want that

well, people who actually give a shit about balance

[tight oxide]

Like jaguar utah perk

[limber hull]

jaguar is more herrera tho iirc

[empty epoch]

yes

[tight oxide]

I thought herrera is iguana

Bthtmfekshe but what do i know

[limber hull]

also the idea of "perks can be unlocked by doing stuff to unlock them" is fundamentally flawed

The salt-water deino perk would literally not be physically unlockable because you'd dehydrate far too quick

[tight oxide]

Utah with over 100 speed

[empty epoch]

salt water deino!!
(can't drink fresh water)

[tight oxide]

Saltwater deino is saltwater croc ggez

[limber hull]

yes that was the idea

that is the general reason behind wanting it

[tight oxide]

Ok hear me out

Over long generations of nesting a deino to have more land perks what if evetually you get a smaller deino that acts more like kaprosuchus

[limber hull]

aqua teno, saltwater deino, forest utah instead of plains utah, burrower dryo, etc

[tight oxide]

What would forest utah be

A more agile utah?

A better climber?

More resistant to falling off trees when pouncing?

[limber hull]

stuff like that i suppose, yea

i want perks to be actually considered more like "mutations"

stuff that changes core survival aspects of the animal

rather than just an outright buff to a base stat

[tight oxide]

I think perks over time could make your dinosaurs somewhat evolve into new ones

[limber hull]

eh, no

[tight oxide]

How come

Saltwater deino at that point might just be a sub species of deino or something

[limber hull]

yes, but its still deino

[tight oxide]

E f IC hdbrhgjgntjfnfbtvrshbajs thats what i mean by somewhat evolve

[limber hull]

you still avoid the water to avoid it and it still stays in its lane and does what its designed to do, drown things that come too close, perform poorly on land, etc

having a deino charge you down across the plains defeats the core functionality of deino

[tight oxide]

If deino went saltwater would that mean it would be bigger to fight ocean threats plus the bigger space in the water?

[limber hull]

yes

[tight oxide]

Sounds neat

[limber hull]

assuming such threats would even exist

[tight oxide]

Megalodon ai

[tight oxide]

Well threats like that should exist imo since if not saltwater deino might be too easy to grow

Wait...

Do irl gators or crocs get weaker as they age?

[limber hull]

I don't think there's ever been a record of a gator or croc dying of old age lmao

[tight oxide]

Then ok what if deino... was the only elder to not keep getting debuffed stats...

Until death

[limber hull]

usually gators and crocs just keep growing

so an elder is just a really fucking big one

[tight oxide]

So what if deino stats kept getting better

And not get worst when eldered for a bit

But be massivly slow and big food needs causing death to occur to the biggest deino in the server

[limber hull]

I mean IDK, seems like BoB growth which sucks ass

[tight oxide]

Bob added a cap finally i think

[limber hull]

doesnt that defeat the original point lmao

[tight oxide]

Rbsjsbgirndma bob problem was

It was kinda to easy to surive to that age

Like eat gems when low

Lots of ai food around

[limber hull]

why do you spam your keyboard now whats that all about

[tight oxide]

Hejwufjsiieejd cus yes

Feels fun tbh

[jovial crow]

@thorny lynx dinos of the isle are realistic not accurate

[urban flax]

They're not even realistic either

[jovial crow]

Yes they are

If not, explain me why

[urban flax]

Stego gallops
Carno charges
Utah jumps
Hypsi super-jumps
Ptera skims

And we don't even have strains yet

[empty epoch]

evrima animations need more weight

also. This is a sci-fi

[urban flax]

In the future earth's gravity has been reduced
Wait TI doesn't take place in the future
But we're not sure it takes place on Earth either x)

[empty epoch]

TI takes place approx modern/current time

We know the tech abandoned on Spiro by AE were from the 90s-Early00s

[jovial crow]

You answered yourself, the list of things you said are realistic, just not accurate

[urban flax]

No, they're not realistic because these things Isle creatures do are physically impossible, even accounting for their modified body shapes and musculatures.

The Isle is just not aimed for realism in any way. People believe that because the graphics are realistic, but that's all. Most mechanics in the game are also unrealistic and just here for gameplay.
Animals wallowing in mud to clot their wounds ?
Crouching masking your scent ?
The entirety of diets ?

[jovial crow]

They are realistic but even tho, the guy I responded to, was talking about the design of the dinos, and the the design, the model of the dinos, is realistic

[jovial crow]

They could not do that in our world thats why they are not accurate, but in the universe the isle takes place, the things dinos do, are possible, so they are realistic

For example dragons are not accurate because they didnt existes, but they can be realistic

[urban flax]

So realistic regarding laws of physics that do not belong to our universe counts ? If so you could argue Pacman is realistic

[jovial crow]

Physics can be the same, for example stego in the isle universe has much stronger legs so they can galop

[urban flax]

Eh... that's kind of bullshit-tier of realism
Godzilla-levels of bullshit imo

[jovial crow]

So for you everything that isn't exactly how it is irl is not realistic

[urban flax]

Everything that isn't possible irl isn't realistic

[jovial crow]

They are realistic in the universe the isle is placed in

[urban flax]

This conversation is going nowhere

[jovial crow]

Is a discussion, they don't always go somewhere

[urban flax]

I like it better when they do

[jovial crow]

I bet you do

[mint girder]

How do you know that 4/5 of these things aren’t realistic

[urban flax]

Because I attended physics class in high school

[jovial crow]

He is a paleontologist and a phisician

I attended too to my physics class but can't tell if a stegosaur can galop or not

[mint girder]

I’m not sure if stego can gallop but what’s to say that a carno can’t put its head down or that a Utah couldn’t really jump at all

[jovial crow]

You need to know biomechanics to tell those kind of thing not just physics

[mint girder]

What are you reffering to

[jovial crow]

He says he can tell stego couldnt galop because he know physics, but that is nit enought to know how the body of an animal works

[mint girder]

I’m not talking about that

[jovial crow]

What do you mean then?

[mint girder]

Carno and utahraptor

[urban flax]

Utah is the least realistic of all the dinos we have. It looks like it should weigh 200 kg yet it weighs 450. The only animals that reach 450 kg nowadays are nowhere as agile as TI's utahraptor is. Bears, lions, bulls... All those things are of similar weight to utah and much more muscular, yet they can't jump. Although they are all quadrupedal and thus get twice as much strength for jumping. Besides, even for very agile animal standards, Utah is unrealistically agile. It can jump around 4 meters high, which is almost as much as a mountain lion, who are the best jumpers in the world. It doesn't take a masters degree to understand that.

I could give you the same explanations for the other dinos, but I'm in class and I don't have enough time, and this conversation already got really off-topic anyway, so I'm just gonna say :
Things don't gotta be realistic anyway. Leaping utah and missile carno are cool.

[jovial crow]

i know they dont have to be realistic, this all started cause a guy said rex should be fatter like irl, i answered him by saying that rex has not to be fat cause it doesnt have to be accurate or realistic as they mean the same for you

[lavish quail]

In theory though that’s true

[mint girder]

I’m just referring to its jumping ability

[mint girder]

It’s all I want

[tight oxide]

Hmmm... that utah would make good kfc

[urban flax]

Yeah I know. imo rex could be made fatter, not because of realism but because it would allow more wiggle room for mid-tiers and pseudo-apexes weights. Like if rex is 7 tons that means that giga and acro both have to be under 7 tons (because rex is supposed to be the strongest and the toughest of them)
But if rex is 9 tons, then giga can be 8 tons and acro 7 tons (for example)

But looking at how Utah looks and how much it weights, I doubt devs would bother remodeling rex if they want to make it 9 tons

[tight oxide]

There had been really big giga specimens found sooo...

One of them were 9 tons iirc

[urban flax]

Yeah but I doubt Isle devs will make giga heavier than rex

[jovial crow]

for me rex looks like its been starving for a couple days

[urban flax]

Or half of its ribs were torn apart

[jovial crow]

@toxic flame only some of the ones already released dont have its conceps, why would you want to see it? you already know what they do

[tepid gate]

Idk where you're getting these numbers from. Acro is nowhere even approaching those weights. Giga and Rex are roughly the same size. Giga is on average larger but the two largest Rexes are larger than any Giga. These animals were quite likely similar in size in general.

[urban flax]

Isle Acro looks heavy, and I'm pretty sure devs want rex to be heavier than giga for balance reasons

[tepid gate]

The three largest theropods according to the current consensus are:

1. Tyrannosaurus rex - "Scotty": RSM P2523.8 at ~9.9 - 10.2t
   2.Tyrannosaurus rex - "Sue": FMNH PR2081 at ~9.7-10t
   3.Giganotosaurus carolinii - Paratype: MUCPv 95 at ~9-9.2t

Acrocanthosaurus weighs around 5.7t

it's just a midget compared to these two

Who knows what they will make Acro weigh, it might be as big as the other two but it might be a very stocky animal weighing its irl weight.

[tepid gate]

And how do you know that exactly? Giga is the heavier one in the legacy.

Rex simply has far more damage than Giga does on that branch

[urban flax]

Since they want rex to be the brawler one and giga be faster, it would make sense for it to be less tanky.

[tepid gate]

Aside from certain statements regarding the apexes like - Spino will rely on slapping the other theropods to win a fight against them and it will only fear other theropods its own size.

[tepid gate]

How do you know that they want Giga to be faster?

Where have they ever said that?

We know absolutely nothing about Giganotosaurus in Evrima aside from what it looks like

There were pretty much 0 statements about this animal

we know a bit more about Rex - it has a fast trot and it is supposed to keep its old legacy running speed

[urban flax]

Idk, everyone says it like it's a fact. Also it's been estimated irl to be much faster than rex, maybe it's just assumptions but if giga is the same weight as rex and at the same speed, then I see no reason to have them be different playables

[tepid gate]

The community says a lot of stuff that has nothing to do with the statements by the devs

Although yes - Giga is faster than rex irl but that doesn't mean it has to be faster in the game

perhaps it will run faster but trot slower, or maybe the other way around like it was in the legacy

maybe they will have comparable speeds in general

it's just impossible to say

Also - technically while Giga was faster than the robust morph Tyrannosaurs irl

it was slower than the gracile morph

it was also more massive than the gracile morph Tyrannosaurs

and guess what our T.rex model in the game represents? It's the gracile morph

It's really impossible to hypothesise anything about Giga atm, if I had to guess it won't be that fast

its new model doesn't exactly scream "speed"

it's quite the opposite, it seems to be a very bulky, armoured animal that doesn't seem to be particularly fast

I don't like that as I would personally like Giga to be the fastest apex but its model does not seem to imply that

[urban flax]

Well maybe you're right

[tepid gate]

It's not that I'm right or not about how they are going to play, I'm just saying that we don't know that

even the small bits of information we have on Rex come from long, long ago

everything might change with regard to these two

They likely won't be released for a very long time still

[urban flax]

yep

[tight oxide]

they did it in legacy yet rex won but that was before hp equaling weight sooo...

[tight oxide]

i think running faster but trotting slower should be for giga

imo rex should be a slow runner but godly trot

[tepid gate]

I genuinely don't know how the speeds between these two should compare - there's a case to be made both ways: for Rex to be the faster sprinter and slower trotter and for it to be the slower sprinter and faster trotter

[tight oxide]

eh...

[low canopy]

apexes were heavily reliant on ambush speed, i cant imagine how they would go about apexes without it

[tepid gate]

Bleeders in general kind of need a fast trot

[tight oxide]

maybe rex special could be legacy ambush

[tepid gate]

same tbh

[tight oxide]

but fr giga is the endurance hunter sooo...

[tepid gate]

Although they could both be the trot masters

[tight oxide]

yes

[tepid gate]

Think about it this way - if you engage an apex as a smaller animal

[tight oxide]

but with new scent a trot master would break balancing a bit

[tepid gate]

you are generally somewhat safe against it initially

however if you remain in its vicinity for a longer time instead of getting out immediately

[tight oxide]

walks you down right

[tepid gate]

it can start getting dangerous as if you're not on full stam you can just get trotted down

I genuinely don't think this would be a bad solution

[tight oxide]

i think since giga is a bleeder its hunter and water should drain somewhat slow to keep a hunt going since i see it biting and tracking the prey down

[tepid gate]

I think that the smaller, faster animals should absolutely not be allowed to just hang out around the apexes

[tight oxide]

carno would be fucked but allo i can see probably surviving a trot down

[tepid gate]

While I agree with that, I just want to point out that while Giga's biteforce is nowhere close to that of a T.rex it's still the equivalent of having a pretty big Allosaurus drop down on you

Acro's bite is similar in power to having a Carno drop down on you

These things could realistically likely incapacitate animals in the 2-3t range with a single bite

[tight oxide]

ok hear me out

rex special being legacy ambush or a trash to help with its ambushing

reason why bring back legacy ambush just for rex?

well i dont think we should be having a rex with the base speed of something that could chase something down

[tepid gate]

It is a decent suggestion

I think I've seen Rex running

[tight oxide]

i see rex normal sprint just being a fast trot

[tepid gate]

it's not that slow in Evrima, Dondi said it will keep its old speed of 33.2km/h

[tight oxide]

but rex having one of the fastest trots ingame

[tepid gate]

note that Utah runs at a speed of 46.8km/h, Pachy is not even 10km/h faster than Rex

They also trot much, much slower than Rex does

I probably wouldn't mind it if apexes just outright couldn't run and were all about trotting

[tight oxide]

thats why i want rex to just have a fast trot like really fast but a run that is still faster than spino maybe

if devs buff pachy speed to avoid rex then you broke small tier balancing

[tepid gate]

Yea I agree that Spino should be by far the slowest one

I think its running speed was estimated in game at about 32km/h so it's not actually significantly slower

[tight oxide]

so lemme sum up everything i want

giga being the faster sprinter with somewhat good stam to keep bleed going well

rex being a slow sprinter but fast trot

spino is well brawler so idk

[jovial crow]

why would a pachy get close to a rex, he must want to die

[tight oxide]

baby pachy be like

[tepid gate]

cause people in this game are stupid

[tight oxide]

i seen solo utahs try fighting carnos solo

they die

[tepid gate]

I personally think that if you decide to hang around an apex predator as a small thing for a longer time and it decides to kill you - you should just die

[jovial crow]

no, fast dinos cant have good stam if carno cant

[tepid gate]

you shouldn't be allowed to just run in circles around an apex

[tight oxide]

utah be like

who said we gonna have giga being fast as carno

[tepid gate]

Honestly while I used to say that the apexes would be useless in Evrima some ~year ago

I think T.rex would absolutely obliterate the current roster

the running times went down by a lot

so much so that I think after seeing T.rex's trot this animal likely wouldn't even need to run in the current game

it would just trot things down

[jovial crow]

said by a lot of players fast dinos cant have more stam than diinos slower than them

[tepid gate]

Yea well Carno in particular seems to be asthmatic

[tight oxide]

yet doesnt utah out stam pachy?

[jovial crow]

no

[tight oxide]

never tried it but pachys seem to stam out first

[tight oxide]

then giga fast sprinter but not the best stam

like legacy acro got a decent stam buff

something like that

[jovial crow]

i was joking, fast dinos need good stam cause why having less stam, at the end you would get at the same time than the slower but better stam

[tight oxide]

thank god that was joke

legit confused me...

[jovial crow]

havent you seen my name?

[tight oxide]

pnhguwqehopquioa just noticed

[jovial crow]

lol

[tight oxide]

so fast trot rex with a base sprint of just being a faster trot

special being legacy ambush

cus rex still gotta you know... hunt

[jovial crow]

did you have a breakdown at the start of the message?

[tight oxide]

kinda

[jovial crow]

rex is the ambusher needs speed, giga is the patience bleeder needs better trot

[tight oxide]

then you got the legacy problem

[jovial crow]

which one, I'm evrima player

[tight oxide]

legacy rexes could run down gigas somewhat easily

plus rex had the faster ambush speed

[jovial crow]

then... reduce speed?

[tight oxide]

then you are back to my idea

[jovial crow]

rex should have low stam like gone in 15 secs

[jovial crow]

and giga is fast running just not as much as rex

[tight oxide]

i really dont see how rex would run faster than giga normally when rex is beefy boi

[jovial crow]

but if rex has the bad run he should have better trot so giga wouldnt be as effective

[tight oxide]

thats what i said-

lmao

[jovial crow]

but it doesnt make sense

is not good for neither of them

[tight oxide]

mmm

[tight oxide]

aye man giga has the lighter build...

almost like saying allo should out speed cerato

[jovial crow]

then rex cant hunt shit and has to be a boring scavenger

[jovial crow]

1 ton less is not that much

[signal beacon]

ambush

[tight oxide]

one ton is alot

[jovial crow]

if it cant run fast then what is the point of ambushing

[tight oxide]

i say give rex legacy ambush exclusively but let base speed be bad

[jovial crow]

ok

[tight oxide]

one ton alot

[signal beacon]

Get close stealthily. Close the short distance. Profit

[tight oxide]

rex becoming forest hunter 😮

[signal beacon]

More forest edge

[tight oxide]

scawy

[jovial crow]

rex is quite big and loudy

[tight oxide]

who said it cant be a great ambusher in funni dino game

[signal beacon]

Also. It has trike and shant and anky to hunt. It doesn't need speed

[jovial crow]

wow, he has the biggest dinos to hunt, if only they couldnt defence themselves so easy against rex

[tight oxide]

rex diet might revolve around ceratopsians and iguanodon like dinos

sooo...

[tight oxide]

rex with pack mate = ez hunt

you bait trike to show its back side to you or your friend

[signal beacon]

...shant is a hadrosaur. We have no iguanadontids!?

[tight oxide]

IDK MY DINOSAUR FAMILIES ASLGHUEHOUIWEGEOA

[jovial crow]

yeah if only was easy easy to find other dinos that take 7 hours to grow

[tight oxide]

looks at legacy

[toxic flame]

In inhabitants there's dino that I know have concepts like herrerasaurus and other but they don't show it on the road map I think it would be nice to be there for much easier view of it

[tight oxide]

yea... totally was hard...

[signal beacon]

Rex would probably inhabit sparse forests. Where its dense enough to hide but open enough to move.

So it can ambush animals while crouched

[jovial crow]

what? they have change it then

@toxic flame dude

is right there

[gritty helm]

Teno

[fallen cargo]

Prolect, a pteranadon that cant fly will just die of starvation or predation, i think a system to actually learn to fly could be better suited for hatchling pteras, as one thats nested in, itll have two parents to provide food and a nest to hide from predators, so its not a death sentence

[signal beacon]

1. Lay eggs
2. Hatch baby pteranodon
3. Fly away
4. Fly away

[fallen cargo]

thats the idea

[signal beacon]

Just leave them on that cliff to starve

[fallen cargo]

well i dont really think having to learn to fly is a good idea, but its better than all pteras having to learn how to fly like what Prolect said lol

[lyric spoke]

I prefer Rex as a Forrest hunter at night.

[toxic flame]

ok i checked like two days ago and i did not see it there

[proud coral]

I agree Deino with a diet is weird because gators eat whatever really, but at the same time, no diet makes it too easy. There has to be an in-between of sorts, but what?

[tight oxide]

bruh for me diets just dont make sense for carnivores imo

you just restrict what they can eat cus oh no carnivore have it too easy smh

lets make deino have to kill 3 different prey to just get normal stats

[wintry bloom]

i hope befroe summer they add ceratos to evrima or a new dino

[hoary dawn]

they wont

[paper oriole]

Global chat belongs only in sandbox

[harsh copper]

I think global chat should be toggleable for unofficial servers at the very least. it will definitely help admins of those servers moderate things and most people who play on unofficial enjoy the rules & the chats, the chats do also help you meet new people. if there’s not any global chat at least on unofficial servers, new people who freshly buy the game once evrima is fully released will probably struggle for a while/have a bad experience from the start. I know I’ve met many thru global and run into new players who need help on legacy and helped them enjoy and understand the gameplay a lot more. if they’re a different species, that would be impossible to do if they weren’t in discord; and on top of that, they would have to wait until they run into someone who is a nice player until they can actually get some friendly help.

not saying it has to be on official at all, just saying it would absolutely help in unofficial servers if it was at least toggleable

[hoary dawn]

it should be togglable on unofficials via changing the gamemode to sandbox

it should not be in survival

[harsh copper]

what would that entail? not being able to play on the normal map just because of a global chat?

[hoary dawn]

sandbox can be on the normal map

[barren crater]

Global chat should be an option for those who want it in unofficials and sandbox. Sure- officials don't need it, or should get it back.

[empty epoch]

Global should've been removed later on

not early on

[limber hull]

i disagree, that would make people even angrier about its removal

better to rip the bandaid off early

[tight oxide]

exactly why?

i think its fine to give people as much options to their own servers

if you have a server and want global on survive sure

[limber hull]

eh, i agree with GWT, it should be sandbox only imho

[tight oxide]

but officals leave it out

[hoary dawn]

cuz being able to converse with every dinosaur on the island with infinite range at any time takes away from the point of the gamemode

[limber hull]

sandbox should always have global and survival shouldn't imho

[tight oxide]

but you could find a server that supports a realistic gameplay

i dont see the big reason to not have it in survival if people want it in their server

[hoary dawn]

and you could find a sandbox server

[tight oxide]

but then you want a survival server?

[hoary dawn]

then you go on a survival server

[tight oxide]

with global as an option

[hoary dawn]

nah

[tight oxide]

yea

[hoary dawn]

there's no point in having a survival server with a feature that directly harms the survival gamemode

[tight oxide]

but if admins wanna ruin that aspect of survival let them

[hoary dawn]

i dont see the logic in that

[tight oxide]

i dont see the big reason why server owners cant have global be in survival if they want it in that mode

[empty epoch]

too early.
Isle's updates already have been stabbing themselves.

Alongside bringing in new content never seen before. (Diets )

Would've been nice if the devs could've made a sandbox mode for U4 or some time soon 🙂 👍

[tight oxide]

sandbox would fix skill issue ngl

[hoary dawn]

idk why sandbox isn't in already tbh

the reason they gave before for it not being in evrima was that there were too few dinos, but now we have 9 going on 10

[empty epoch]

thanks

Sandbox being the only mode that can use global 🙂 👍

[barren crater]

Or get this, let unofficial server owners have the choice

[empty epoch]

No

We wont allow server owners having the capability of picking everything they want

This is where modding comes in

[low canopy]

how dare people ask for customisation and options

[empty epoch]

and ignore Filipe with his modding comments

[barren crater]

[empty epoch]

[low canopy]

those comments were so absurd, especially when one of the devs is where they are thanks to modding

[barren crater]

I didn't know letting server owners have built in options as simple as global chat would be something to debate about

[empty epoch]

🙂

[limber hull]

I feel like it fits sandbox and doesn't fit survival

[empty epoch]

We don't want too many survivals picking global chat for their server

[barren crater]

Fair enough to that- but that's the "Official experience". Not how everyone wants to play it

[hoary dawn]

then play sandbox

[limber hull]

^

[empty epoch]

or a modded server

(sorry bird brain)

[barren crater]

Well guess mods it is then

[empty epoch]

Amarok did imply this

[barren crater]

If the game allows mods which alters the survival experience, then what's the issue with global chat lol

[limber hull]

because then you know if you're going into a modded experience or not

[empty epoch]

vanilla experience

[limber hull]

oh hey, this server is vanilla, i like vanilla, i'll play there

[empty epoch]

not just "official vs unofficial" anymore

(soon) now you got to work with "Unofficial vanilla vs Unofficial modded"

[barren crater]

Ah well as long as its possible in some capacity

[barren crater]

[lavish quail]

Hypsi gun yes

[empty epoch]

yes

[lavish quail]

Suicide bomb dryo

Neuro dryo and rose bush kentro

And finally

A hyper hypsi

That is my list

[vivid spade]

@barren zephyr very good idea but I would prefer it bigger with more than 50 playable characters

[barren zephyr]

I think 50+ is enough

Especially since growth is added

[vivid spade]

I liked the progression mod in the early days of the isle, although the game was far from good back then, spawning as the smallest animal and then continuing to do it was exciting 🙂 and if I had known/skilled that much back then, I would have done it too got further as in the 3rd phase xD

[tight oxide]

Human with jetpack to have a air 1v1 with ptera and quetz

Better yet a utah with a jetpack

Godzilla mod

Dragon mod

Teno with rocket launcher

[urban flax]

@bold palm That seems like an overly-complicated, heavy and unnecessary mechanic

[bold palm]

not really.

[urban flax]

It requires to calculate seeds presence when there is wind, so they can travel, it also requires calculating plant growth from the seed stage instead of just letting them spawn in, counting how many plants they are in the area to prevent over-abundance of plants, all of those which could cause a huge amount of stress to the server, for what ? If it's done right then it will be no different than spawning plants

Apart that you'll literally have to watch the grass growing

[paper oriole]

imagine the lag lol

[bold palm]

It's logically sound, more complicated, yes, but progress is key, hard to implement, seems straight forward to me.

[urban flax]

But what's the point of it ? Do you think this would really allow herbivores to control the spawning of their diet plants ?

90% of the community would just ignore this mechanic exists unless it's written blakc-on-white in a tutorial, and even then, I doubt they would ever make use of it

[bold palm]

Would be a more dependable system and create more randomness to spawn points keeping dispersal fresh versus simply spawning in the same location all day long.

[urban flax]

What if spawn locations were just made random instead ?

Much less work, much less tedium, same results

[bold palm]

You don't have to really calculate much, setup zones, when in zone spawn. All you'd need is directional aspects of the wind portion. The rest is player controlled simply determining when seeds drop and or fall off and if player not in set zone the drop would not spawn.

[urban flax]

I still don't see how this would benefit gameplay in any way

[bold palm]

that's ok bubulblu, i see how it would.

[urban flax]

A good food spawning mechanic is one that can be ignored and goes unnoticed. There is no need to make something so complex for that

[bold palm]

you can just agree to disagree for now

[urban flax]

That's very condescending of you

[bold palm]

well i mean i listed some benefits in the post bud.

what more do you want me to explain to you?

[paper oriole]

all the wind and bur/brushing shit is just totally unnecessary and causes another high stress system if there is a large herd or a lot of herbivores in general. the feces drop wouldnt be as bad but i hope that system gets cancelled anyway

[urban flax]

It's not that I don't understand them, it's that I don't believe it would work that way, at all.

[bold palm]

I appreciate that, but it could work, it's logically sound, implementation would not be that bad really. Still not sure you're really making your point properly.

[urban flax]

So you really believe herbivore players will have nothing better to do than calculate where to poop and look at the wind in order to allow the best possible food spawning locations for the players that are gonna connect to the server in 10 hours ?

I know herbivore life isn't really entertaining, but I really hope devs will come up with... another solution

[bold palm]

and honestly I'm not going to argue with you. I did not mean to be condescending. I just have a hard time debating someone who doesn't provide proper points to their opinion, just saying. I don't see how this would add any benefit, i don't think this will work, etc etc is not explaining your point. If you provide a good point I'm open to consider your point...

And herbies would not choose when to drop

[urban flax]

Well
People usually have better things to do than watch the grass grow
I know I'm making generalities, but this one is kinda safe

[bold palm]

in most cases in that fact the mechanic will handle the drop as they move around, but yes they could find a nice location to perpetuate the spawning of food sources for example when they're growing instead of just resting in a bush.

[bold palm]

again, how so... still being general

and why would the sit there watching? they could move to a location, remember, they potentially dropped some seeds and go back to it.

[paper oriole]

Sounds like they could artificially create hotspots and make their own oasis situation

If its a community server especially

[bold palm]

This is why there would need to mitigation factors. I briefly touched base on this.

But things like max alound on map, having only a few seeds spawn with no guarantee they would, etc. Also the growth times could be set so attaining the new growth would make it totally boring for someone to sit around. zones around food to prevent too many in one spot or by other plants.

[paper oriole]

If theres mitigation factors then why add it to begin with, random spawns can create enough food without the need for a complex coded system or risk of people creating hotspots that would also need its own extra measure to prevent to begin with

Plant distribution right now is kinda shit but just random, more even spawning can fix it way better than adding another system that will be ignored unless it can be exploited

[bold palm]

I feel it should be explored, it's a more realistic approach, it's logical, it adds options for players and wouldn't be too horrible to implement. While providing other factors like tracking opportunities when considering the feces drops. In most cases player will not focus on it. Also less predictability, for example, random spawns, you'd just need to chill in the proper biome and wait. With this a group of stegs could eat a zone clean and until something happens there through seed dispersal no more spawn in, thus motivating say a steg to move to a new location and maybe return to the previous with some seeds in it's dung.

[plucky mantle]

Its kinda sad that i grew a full deinosuchus and then i logged back in and i was an other animal

Can i please have a full grown deino again

[scarlet nova]

what do you guys think about more group related systems and mechanics. I named a few in a post in general feedback. Any other ideas for other dinos for some player on player contact and immersion?

[barren zephyr]

Just feather preening in general with feathered dinos such as theri, austro, hypsi, beipi, and ovi. I can see it as both a mechanic that plays some sort of role or merely something to add, like you said, more immersion.

[empty epoch]

<@&933486433342222376> #phase-three-requests

thanks Luncha

[hoary dawn]

what was

[signal beacon]

A debuff system would onlt get abused or screw over herbis protecting a nest/area

what the devs need to do is make herbi gameplay fun instead of nothing but fighting

[tight oxide]

diets be like

health lock be like

[signal beacon]

are you saying diets made herbi gameplay fun?

[tight oxide]

made it have more to do imo when playing both

both carni and herbi

ill say diets worked well with herbis but failed with carnis

[signal beacon]

all it does is add a grocery list for herbis to get, which is all at oasis

[tight oxide]

lmao but to be fair

makes you stay in a biome (if we dont include oasis)

kldsnaosjhiosg just listen

[signal beacon]

oasis is every biome at fucking once apperantly lmao

[tight oxide]

carnivores right?

diet bad

herbivores is easier to keep up

[tight oxide]

it is plains and lots of hiding bushes and swamp ig and hills

[signal beacon]

it counts as a: plains, jungle, swamp, arid, land biome, with a river nearby as well.

[tight oxide]

which is dumb

like who thought oasis was a good idea to include when updates take months

like i hear it was to test what would happen but...

keep that on qa?

[silver rose]

@raven lark I've also had the same problem where I can't disengaged from a pounce (both for things small enough to pin and things too large to pin). I am glad I am not the only one.

[tepid gate]

Well there's an easy fix then - don't play on the servers that allow for the global chat, play on the official ones which would have it turned off. Idk what's the big deal about it. If some server owner pays for their server and wants to allow people to use global chat then who are you to forbid them from doing so?

[limber hull]

the game dev who pays their employees far more to make the game you host the server on? Since, at the end of the day, it's probably going to be Dondi's choice

[tepid gate]

There goes the "Evrima will allow server owners for more customisation" I guess, right next to"its perfomance is better than that of the legacy" and however many other promises

[limber hull]

mods can provide that

[tepid gate]

If the devs don't want people to play in a given way then they should make it so on the official servers

[tepid gate]

Oh we can mod the game now?

Since when is that possible?

[limber hull]

nah lmao, but it will be

[tepid gate]

When it will be a thing then you can use that argument

as it is mods don't allow anyone to introduce global chat therefore this argument is completely and absolutely irrelevant

[limber hull]

okay

global chat isn't a thing so no one can argue about it idc lmao

i just think global is extra lame

[tepid gate]

I think everyone in the community has noticed that it's not a thing

[tepid gate]

It's not on the official servers and was never meant to be on the official servers

I'm just incapable of understanding how someone can have such a narrow mindset in terms of how the game should be played. I disagree with a tonne of things that are done on the community servers, with their rules and so on, on very many occasions but I'm not going to force them to play the way I want the game to be played.

Then again it's also funny how the deletion of the global chat seemingly occurred at the same time as the death of the vast majority of the community servers on Evrima.

At least I haven't seen any "normal" community server that doesn't give free growth have any popularity past that point

[limber hull]

i mean, what does a community server provide that an official doesn't besides that lmao

except that one server that let you play compy somehow

[tepid gate]

Different performance at times mainly, depending on the time I've seen either officials or Teutonic work better

that was back in the days of update 2 though

I'm pretty sure Teutonic's been dead for months now

no idea about Nycta, I know it's dead now and it was doing relatively ok back in ~December 2020 which is when I last played on it

[limber hull]

Didn't Nycta die for very valid reasons

[tepid gate]

Also - I'm pretty sure Teutonic wanted to introduce body down rules in Evrima

[tepid gate]

I mean... if you call the game being in the state it is in a "valid reason" then yea, it died for very valid reasons

It's still alive and kicking in the legacy from what I've heard though

[limber hull]

i thought nycta died because the owners were fucking freaks

[tepid gate]

Oh, you're confusing it with... Nublar I think?

[barren crater]

nublar

[limber hull]

i literally cannot tell anymore

[tepid gate]

Nycta is Anthomnia's server

[barren crater]

nycta gets like max server everyday

[tepid gate]

idk who ran Nublar

[limber hull]

sounds horrid lmao

[tepid gate]

part of the reason why i stopped playing there

nevertheless - that's their business

if they want to play like that they should be absolutely allowed to do so

Forbidding them from doing that seems outright childish

[limber hull]

when did i ever say forbid people from doing body down

[tepid gate]

You want to forbid them from using global chat

I've typed something on global chat maybe a dozen of times throughout all of its time in Evrima

[tight oxide]

bruh i legit dont see why we cant let server owners put global in their survival servers lmao

[tepid gate]

^

It's their business how they want to make the game play on their servers

[tight oxide]

if you dont want global in your gameplay for survival play official or something

more customization in server settings

[limber hull]

you can but its just lame and leads to birdbath sims and a bunch of people whining it isn't in the officials lmao

[tepid gate]

The game is a birdbath simulator either way

[tight oxide]

we have people hating the game because they played on toxic servers...

dont think we should take into consideration about people complaining about global not being in official

[barren crater]

It will always be a birdbath sim as well

[limber hull]

you say that but you literally can't go ten seconds without something getting fucking slaughtered

[tepid gate]

Can we also get people not to deal damage to each other because some complain about getting killed on sight?

[tepid gate]

I believe birdbath merely means that people sit in a single spot doing next to nothing which is... pretty much the case around the oasis?

[tight oxide]

but since they removed global at least bring back pack chat and more chat features....

[tepid gate]

I mean unless some carnivore shows up and wants to fight them

[barren crater]

yeah, typing to the whole species is a stupid option- like why remove group feature?

[tepid gate]

While I think global should be up for the server owners to decide I absolutely understand why group chat was removed

[tight oxide]

how come?

[limber hull]

group chat makes the most sense that shit was wack

[tepid gate]

Group chat was removed for the simple reason that if you speak to your buddies in a group that are the same species as you - there's 0 reason why another person playing the same species that isn't in your group should be unable to understand you

[empty epoch]

just use VC or any 3rd party software

[tepid gate]

^ or that

[limber hull]

its literally private global you can use to speak without other members hearing you

[tight oxide]

but then you brought more problems?

[limber hull]

yea just use discord

[tight oxide]

how will you fight another pack and make plans?

[tepid gate]

in general VC is the way to grief in this game

Vastly superior to anything else

[tight oxide]

vc legit counters alot of the devs plans lol]

[tepid gate]

I think the most laughable argument was how global lead to forming of mixpacks... oh yea because it got so much better when those mixpacks moved on to use VC

[tight oxide]

counters humans only getting vc...

[limber hull]

they aren't going to stop you lmao

[harsh copper]

tbh i agree that devs should run the official servers however they want but most people who bought the game and still play legacy either don't know about evrima or know about it but don't play evrima due to the lack of global chat specifically.
ppl who pay for servers should be able to run them as they please, if they want rules and their members enjoy rules and the safety of those rules that global chat provides, what's wrong with that? how does that affect you? you can think it's lame all you want but the reality is a lot of people do enjoy that aspect of the game, its just different preferences and just bc u dislike it doesn't mean you should dictate how others play or their opinions
though i do think once legacy is officially killed and everyone has to move to evrima, a lot of the player base will speak up more about the global chat debate

[limber hull]

they can't disable discord or some shit

[tight oxide]

counters devs plan of making game you know...

realistic in communication

[limber hull]

and how do you expect they stop you

shut down discord when EVRIMA is active? Because that'll fly

[tepid gate]

^

[tight oxide]

hate to say it but pot or bob got better server options...

[tepid gate]

It's none of our business how the server owners run their backyards

[tight oxide]

waiting for the isle to add super isle maker smh...

[harsh copper]

plus some people can and will be upset that technically, a feature they paid to be able to use on a previous version of the game will no longer be an option

[tight oxide]

you know like placing objects on a map?

[tight oxide]

dunno if people really bought a game for 20 bucks for a global chat in survival

but yea?

[tepid gate]

I'd say that you are being very optimistic about the legacy's playerbase moving on to Evrima when that branch gets deleted but I don't disagree with the general premise of your point

[limber hull]

spending 20 bucks for a chat room with dinosaurs included as a bonus

[tight oxide]

well legacy removal wont be for a long time until evrima is actually fun and playable

[tepid gate]

It's more so that they likely expect that feature to still be there rather than getting deleted because... reasons

[harsh copper]

^ ye this is what i meant

[tepid gate]

Yea idk about that

[tight oxide]

i mean my 20$ for a bush simulator was well spent

[tepid gate]

I'm happy with spending the money on the legacy

[tight oxide]

what reason is too remove global for legacy thoooooooooooooo

saying it can stay in modding is like saying theres no real reason to remove it normally

if modding is that good then we could just say devs dont need to add some dinos back cus modding

[tepid gate]

The best thing about global chat from my opinion as a person who rarely ever wrote anything on it - it made the excruciatingly boring parts of the game(which are the majority of it) slightly less interesting

Even if some people were fighting on global

[tight oxide]

i remember my first time playing legacy in 2019... legit was magical XD

[tepid gate]

It was at least mildly more entertaining reading them go at each other

rather than count the leaves on a bush I'm sitting in

[tight oxide]

plus if you want your gameplay to be more realistic with no global then play a realism server imo...

[barren crater]

I also liked it because people would alert you to hackers as well.

[tepid gate]

I've played for the first time in 2018, it was really neat, I got my money's worth out of the legacy I think/kind of

[limber hull]

my first experience with the Isle was EVRIMA and playing legacy without that nostalgia bonus just lets you realise how much of a downgrade it is lmao

[tepid gate]

My experience in Evrima so far wouldn't justify the pricetag tbh

[limber hull]

I was never interested in legacy from any video I watched of it. EVRIMA was when the Isle caught my interest

[tight oxide]

i went back to legacy time to time and i will admit it is a downgrade
aside from fps...
map design...
amount of dinos...
but yea

[tepid gate]

I've had some fun during the earlier stages of it but it was very on and off

[barren crater]

I played legacy first in 2020, so not much nostalgia- but in terms of fun, I seem to be going back to legacy more

[tight oxide]

legacy ui ngl felt more polished

[limber hull]

Amount of dinos I don't even care about since they basically all play the same with one "gimmick" that makes them slightly unique

[tight oxide]

check character menu for example

[tight oxide]

kinda evrima if you think about it...

[limber hull]

Nah, not at all

[tight oxide]

i dunno evrima could be said to have pachy be utah with more hp and slower speed but more dmg

[barren crater]

dryo is a legacy playable the way it feels (I don't even count that dodge) lmao

[tepid gate]

I mean the thing about Evrima is that it realistically has... 4 maybe 6 playables worthy of notice

[tight oxide]

dryo legacy was nailed somehow

[limber hull]

Deino and carno are basically entirely different animals. I could literally call carno a faster allo with different stats and it'd make sense. The combat still boils down to run and press M1

Dryo is my fave animal in legacy lmao

[tight oxide]

compare a gator with theropod?

[tepid gate]

And only one of these two actually works and brings anything to the game

[tight oxide]

even legacy could make you feel the difference if deino was there

[limber hull]

almost like every single carnivore is a fucking therapod with the exact same mechanics in legacy besides minor key niches

[tepid gate]

You probably wouldn't be able to grab people with gator in the legacy

[tight oxide]

but yea evrima is a upgrade

[tight oxide]

deino would get ass rided probably

[tepid gate]

but tbh it could perhaps end up working better

unless it got a tail attack

[tight oxide]

but legacy deino would be a stronger apex ig?

so it would probably one shot most dinos

if they drank

[tepid gate]

Idk how it would work in the legacy, I only know it probably wouldn't be able to grab stuff

[tight oxide]

probably wouldnt

[tepid gate]

which paradoxically could make it a vastly better addition than the thing we have in Evrima atm

[tight oxide]

after all legacy pounce caused too many issues

[limber hull]

damn, that's just really what everyone wants, fuck dragging and running low on stam, just have it rex bite things and instant kill them. Direct upgrade and fixes everything deino haters hate about it lmao.

[tight oxide]

to be fair if deino loses all its stam during grab it can just bite you to death with how far it got you from land

soo i think that needs some looking into...

for more counter play ig

[tepid gate]

Idk how you could sort that issue out, Deino is just a bad animal

[tight oxide]

deino mains will move to spino lets be hoenst

[limber hull]

why?

[tight oxide]

power

and water

deino but 2 legs

[tepid gate]

I think the people that want to play gator will still play Deinosuchus

[limber hull]

i know my mate is sticking with deino if spino comes out

[tepid gate]

I'd much rather have to deal with Spino in the game right now

[limber hull]

since he's not there to play spino, he wants to play the big fuck-off gator

[tepid gate]

or Rex for that matter

than the goddamn Deinosuchus

[tight oxide]

after verticle lunge and basking and better deino friendly map sure

[limber hull]

Vertical lunge fuck yea

[tepid gate]

Not really, some play it even now

[tight oxide]

i really wanna grab them birds...

[tepid gate]

It's not even that uncommon

[barren crater]

A lot do. Shit is swarming

[tight oxide]

imagine your deino grabbing quetz

[tepid gate]

last I've played this game

I've seen a big group of them

[barren crater]

I saw like 7 in oasis the other day- varying sizes

[tepid gate]

just strolling on land

[tight oxide]

i mean i dont really find deinos rn plus shallows and oasis counters deino rn

doesnt help how rivers are kinda small?

[tepid gate]

I've found a tonne of them last I played the game

it was over a week ago though I think

[barren crater]

I wish we had land carnivores that could kill them while they move across land

[tepid gate]

I genuinely can't be bothered to even try Evrima unless it gets at least a patch

[tight oxide]

i think if devs updated like back in update 1 evrima sure

we used to get a patch once a week

and big update still happened

[tepid gate]

That was prior to update 1 but yea

idk what happened after that

[tight oxide]

thought update one was evrima release

but its been awhile soo...

[tepid gate]

past update 2 the development just went sideways did a back-flip and landed on its face I guess or something

[tight oxide]

updates slowed down to like 2 patches a month or something

[tepid gate]

Update 1 was released in September 2020, Evrima released in June

[tight oxide]

then now we are to 0 patches

rip...

[tepid gate]

For the game to get updated it first needs to be released, so update is technically the second "build"

[tight oxide]

i like big updates sure but patches that help keep us waiting would be nice

like a patch that fixes pachy and stegos hitboxes and removes oasis hell yea

[tepid gate]

with how rare the patches are in the game I guess my expectations for it would be too high

I might just wait for the next update since I have a feeling I will end up getting disappointed with just one patch

then again I have serious doubts about what the next update will actually bring to the game

[tight oxide]

i dont think you can screw up nesting tho tbh

[tepid gate]

really the only things that interest me about it are the things that aren't really part of the core-update but more so any changes to diets and balance

[barren zephyr]

He's a true sigma chad

[limber hull]

he just likes the big gator lmao

simple man simple pleasures

[barren zephyr]

Simple Sigma

[grizzled vector]

please remove any and all shallow water

so much of the map isn't used because people can just sit in one spot with an absurd amount of herbivores and not worry about anything

[paper oriole]

The teno panda comparison is kinda bad, pandas eat such massive amounts of food because it is a previously omnivorous animal that adapted to eating an extremely low quality plant, it has to eat ao much because bamboo is literal trash for nutrients. I agree that tenonto should need more than 2 potatoes but that comparison is so bad

[urban flax]

Panda didn't adapt to eat bamboos
That's why it is an endangered species

[lavish quail]

Hey at least their not koalas

[peak wedge]

Something a bit more accurate as far as size and eating would be horses

[paper oriole]

The dumbasses cant even concentrate on more than one baby and thats even if theyre willing to have one too lol

How do pandas even exist

And as far as horses go they are also grazers who eat a large amount of poor quality vegetation

[urban flax]

Don't be so mean
Try eating bamboos only for your entire life and we'll see if you're still able to activate more than one braincell at once

[paper oriole]

I like how pandas evolved a special finger to eat bamboo but they didn’t even evolve to digest it properly

[manic flint]

Nah
Isn't bamboo just really tall grass?
And a non ruminant animal loving on exclusively grass that previously was an omnivore that ate high value foods

[paper oriole]

The herbis in the isle are so ridiculously specialist that its just wrong to compare them to irl herbivores who literally eat grass all day

[paper oriole]

Yeah its a tough grass, probably even harder to process than normal grass

[manic flint]

Bears eat some of the most calorie dense foods
Like fruits and meats

And it switched to grass no wonder they are a failure of a species

[urban flax]

Actually, dinos probably need much more nutritious food that plain grass to sustain their bodies

[paper oriole]

If herbis had a wider diet selection and we also had actual grazers then food values could be massively adjusted and diets would also be much more pleasant

[urban flax]

And if I'm right there wasn't a lot of grass during the mesozoic either... (it appeared late cretaceous iirc ?)

[manic flint]

Yea only being able to eat 3 kinds of plants is kinda dumb imo