general-feedback-discussion

[manic flint]

Cerato will have a much better time against kentro

[outer sphinx]

if carno charges from the front it has a good chance but if the kentro moves so it hits the side...

[signal beacon]

Eh I dont like the idea of utah being able to pin if there are more than 2

To much progress to be pinned

[outer sphinx]

oh you understood wrong, i meant that once a utah cant pin a target you get in the need for more utahs to attrition hunt

[signal beacon]

Ah ok

[manic flint]

Pachy can be solo's by a really good Utah but it ain't easy

[outer sphinx]

rn that part is garbage, like you need a many utahs for 1 pachy as you do for teno...

[manic flint]

Which is how it should be

[manic flint]

Utah is barely a threat to teno anymore

[outer sphinx]

ye and if that pachy knows what ALT is...

[outer sphinx]

as in teno is just much better?

[manic flint]

Teno essentially one shots Utah
I have never been killed by Utah's as teno since U1

[outer sphinx]

tf where those utahs, i killed a dozen tenos, especially in u2 when i played the most in general

i still remember one moment where we killed 1 with 2 of us (adults)

[manic flint]

I walked into a pack of 7 Utah's in update 3 and they all just avoided me

Most of them were adults

Utah v teno used to be fun too

[outer sphinx]

early u3 or 3.5?

[manic flint]

Can't recall

It wasn't when Utah got actually 1 shot

[outer sphinx]

still... tf cowards... if i saw a teno back then and i was under 70% hunger and had at least 1 more utah that teno had my name on him

[signal beacon]

Once utah gets turned into apolloraptor or novaraptor the devs may have more freedom to change stats, size, health, appearance, and it may help it out

[outer sphinx]

only time i died to a teno was when i first got evrima and tried to solo one but i whiffed and died

[manic flint]

Utahs are all shit though
They do stupid pounces and are predictable as shit

I haven't fought good ones in so long
And teno v Utah is so fun too

[outer sphinx]

i just want this utha to get feathers, lighter, faster or more agile if even possible and still a bleeder attrition based, and irl utah just be a ramp up pounce small group brawler style

[outer sphinx]

maybe i'm not a bad utah afterall

[signal beacon]

I feel like Utahraptor will be more of a loner with small groups and higher stats while nove will be more frail and faster

[manic flint]

Irl utah will be a smalls hunter
Novaraptor will be like current Utah

[outer sphinx]

i did say small group

[manic flint]

Irl utah pin where it flaps it's wings like they did irl yes please

[signal beacon]

Well I was more saying that utah will be less agile and fast in return for higher stats

[manic flint]

Irl utah should be bulkier and slower

[signal beacon]

Utah pin with falcon animations

[outer sphinx]

and just making it more resistant to buck, pretty fast, like dilo maybe, fairly agile (as even irl was agile af) and give it a ramp up pounce that aken suggested once, in generla slower and less agile than this utah but packs damage instead of bleed

[manic flint]

Built for pair/loner gameplay

Irl utah shouldn't get pounce

[signal beacon]

Holding prey down with toe claws and shredding it with its teeth.

[manic flint]

Exactly

[signal beacon]

Instead of the ugly shit we have now

[manic flint]

It should be hunting dilos and smaller

[outer sphinx]

pounce can just have a much shorter range and jump so you need to basically get in their face and kinda just hop one them

[manic flint]

So just pin essentially

Like in Ark

[outer sphinx]

but works on stuff it cant pin too, just that it has to get close to use it

[manic flint]

Like the sideways grapple?

[outer sphinx]

it cant snipe smth from a bush 6 miles off

[manic flint]

Cause irl utah should have proper wrists

[outer sphinx]

yea but works from front too but yes, thats kinda the scope

and the pounce instead of bleed has ramp up damage, as its a heavy raptor clawing on your side, trying to stay on, its more resitant to buck than this raptor but maybe they add smth to buck it needs to kinda combo them to get rid of this utah

ramp up = the more you stay one the more damage it does per tick untill it reaches a cap

[manic flint]

Irl utah should do this

[outer sphinx]

that'd be just pin and thats basically how it works rn except the feathers and anim

[manic flint]

I disagree with it pouncing like nova

[outer sphinx]

i just explained to you how it would pounce, literally nowhere in it i said it will work like this pounce

[manic flint]

Sorry I'm stupid and am confused

[outer sphinx]

and could be like (if its 500kg and this raptor gets like 350 for ex): anything 400 or less gets pinned using that pounce, 401-550 you get kinda a grapple, slowing them down with some sickle claw swings and mostly biting, medium ramp up damage, and anything 551 or bigger you hold on to them when you get the pounce and with the ramp up i described there

[manic flint]

I see

So like
It would grab onto them with one hand on the stomach and one over the back
And do ramp up? I guess that makes sense

[outer sphinx]

yes, using one of its feet to claw a bit but mostly bite, also slows down the prey, same for allo once it grapples, it slows dow the prey and bucking maybe does some damage as they kinda kick with the legs a bit and ofc stam drain

[manic flint]

I see

[outer sphinx]

so by the end we will get, fisher raptor, bleeder/ runner raptor and brawler/berserk raptor

[signal beacon]

So irl utah will pin pachy right?

[outer sphinx]

ofc irl utah is in the hands of the person who wanted it so we can only hope

[outer sphinx]

yes but is also comparable speed and agility, maybe better agility

[signal beacon]

I feel like mono and utah will be a smalls worst nightmare in the jungle

[outer sphinx]

blodhound mono is a juvies worst nightmare, he dont care how small the footprint is

[manic flint]

Irl utah shouldnt be very fast

[signal beacon]

Then if its speed is similar the pin would have to kill utah's agility while charging it

Which is fair

[manic flint]

Irl utah was fairly slow

So it should be in game

[outer sphinx]

and both utahs would be a menace to some smalls, like irl utah to minmi and proto and utah to stuff like dryo that likesto run

[outer sphinx]

we are def not gonna give it irl speed

[manic flint]

Y

[outer sphinx]

25km/h...

rex is at best estimates 27

more accurate 22

utah was a slow mf but it was the apex

[manic flint]

Ok maybe change it to be the slower than pachy and them but faster than Allo and atuff

[outer sphinx]

ye, just under pachy speed and just above pachy agility, it may have been slow but it was still agile and an endurance hunter

[manic flint]

Good stam, middling speed and bulk

Should be a forest/redwoods hunter

Bane of all smalls

[signal beacon]

What would utah should like tho?

[manic flint]

?

[outer sphinx]

thats also why it should be kinda resistant to buck in the sens it costs less stam but bc it weighs more it hold harder so it gets hit a bit by the legs of the dino that bucks, also it cant pounce stuff after a certain limit, like it cant jump that high so its pounce is limited by that, cant really pounce smth larger thna carno

[outer sphinx]

r/ihadastroke

[signal beacon]

Should it get the more realistic chirps and whistles or a roar?

[manic flint]

Realistic chirps would be cool

[signal beacon]

Sound* sorry lmao

[outer sphinx]

we dont know, def give it more accurate stuff, as thats what the person who asked wanted him to be: accurate, and then im fine with this utah keeping its jp sounds

[signal beacon]

Yea chirps and stuff would fit its forest vibe better

[outer sphinx]

forests and small plains

[manic flint]

Shouldn't be in plains cause of carno

[outer sphinx]

i said small plains, like the ones you find in the middle of forests etc

[manic flint]

Oh ic mb

[signal beacon]

Imagine hearing a bird and going oh that's louder than the rest, oh its getting... closer? Wait... that's not a bird.

[outer sphinx]

carno is on medium-large plains

[outer sphinx]

it gets a hiss for f call wait its a snake now?!

[signal beacon]

Utah's calls mimicking ambiance would also be a unique feature

[outer sphinx]

you turn back and just see a roid rage raptor watching you lol

[outer sphinx]

no thats troo, utah paid him for this scene

[barren zephyr]

@idle ibex realistically it would be hard to actually bite a spine.

[signal beacon]

Nah troo mimics dinos. Utah would mimic ambiance to help it coordinate with its friend while sneaking up on smalls

[barren zephyr]

Biting it from the side may result in broken teeth and/or getting stabbed by another spike, from the front results in the spike going through your palate.

[signal beacon]

Y'know what imma write a thing in feedback about this utah niche

[outer sphinx]

what i just described now?

or your ambience utah?

[manic flint]

Forest small hunter that takes on dilo and smaller and mimciks ambient animals?

[signal beacon]

Both if you're ok with that

Or do you wanna write it?

[outer sphinx]

if you take mine to make sure to specify that the ramp up damage part is Akens idea, i just took it and added to it, plus adding it to the new utah instead of this utah like aken had in the original

[signal beacon]

Alright so me you and aken?

[outer sphinx]

i havent really wanted to write for feedback in some time, mostly just getting a lot of info to make a big af word doc to give to punch lol

drops a dictionary

[signal beacon]

Y'know maybe writing it in the middle of class is a bad idea lmao

[manic flint]

Youre in the middle of class too? Lmao
I have a 90% in the class and the semester is almost over so my teacher doesn't care luckily

[signal beacon]

Wait so how heavy would this utah be?

[outer sphinx]

500

and this utah between 330-380

[signal beacon]

And how heavy is our cera?

[outer sphinx]

should be max 1.3t but likely to jyst be 1.1-1.2

[signal beacon]

Alright so cera could be utah's predator?

If it gets an ambush

I have an idea for utah and mono to share the same food source (smalls) while cera is the apex predator of dense jungles

[outer sphinx]

yea, they would cross path kinda rare as forest will be he only time as cera likes more water and utah more small fields with bushes, also 2 utahs should be a real deal for 1 cera

[signal beacon]

I'm pretty sure water is more of a gimmick tool than something that determines where it lives

[outer sphinx]

idk, mono would have more competition with this utah but in general its prob gonna scavange more and kill juvies if it becomes the best tracker

[outer sphinx]

in its concept it was shown enjoying a bath so i expect it will get teno treatment, likes water biomes a lot but can go in other spots if it needs to

[signal beacon]

Hm. Well my my idea for a food chain in dense jungles to be

cera
utah
Apex juvi
mono
mid to small juvies
micro fauna

Apex juvies would be a bit of a hassle for mono to deal with if stego is any hint

[outer sphinx]

herra would be up there as it can choose its fights and has hypsi

[signal beacon]

Oh fuck herra

[outer sphinx]

also utah would live in any biome, kinda like the idea of dryo, lives where it pleases as it will find food anywhere

[echo tiger]

You forgot my boy man

My boy herra

[signal beacon]

And hypsi is what I mean by micro fauna. Along with oro and other Small small teirs

[outer sphinx]

mono would be the low end scavanger, not as good as cera at it but good enough and a menace for any juvie since it can easily track them even in dense foliage

[signal beacon]

Herra would probably be in between mono and utah. And yea that's why I put mono above juvies and smalls

[outer sphinx]

would prob have more competition with ovi really, both want similar things, one just negates the food of the other, if ovi gets the egg a juvie cant grow from it so mono is left with none

both of them seem as great hit and run snatchers basically

[signal beacon]

Does rugops have any niche ideas yet?

If not I have one

[outer sphinx]

does beeing useless count?

[signal beacon]

What about a nocturnal pack animal that harasses prey to prevent them from resting, and over night after night of keeping rugops at bay the prey starts to fall to exhaustion

[outer sphinx]

isnt that like a weird dilo-troo?

also there is no resting/sleeping mechanic planned (logout doesnt count) which is a real shame

[signal beacon]

Idk thought it was cool.

Like a hunt that lasts literal days

[outer sphinx]

i really want a resting/sleeping mechanic, so like the whole server is sleeping at night and those 6 night dinos are just having a party beeing an ass

[signal beacon]

Imagine trying to sleep and all you hear for hours is one troodon going "OOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"

[outer sphinx]

Also, makes these lines mean a lot more then
Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear.

after sunset will leave you wondering what's real... and what's not.

if you are alone, havent found a safe spot you cant rest etc, just amazing

ofc the map needs to support this, like caves, logs etc, also when sleeping you can still hear but not see

and safe logging you start to loose the hearing too like you do now (this if you are already sleeping, if not you just do what we do rn)

[signal beacon]

You're sleeping and all you hear is the faint whistle and click of a Utah pair closing in on your ava

[outer sphinx]

i mean, they cant do shit, you have a burrow

now if its a mega or troo...

[signal beacon]

Ava, not proto

[outer sphinx]

iirc ava is getting burrow too... yea...

[signal beacon]

Why in the fuck do we need TWO burrowing ceratopsids?

[manic flint]

That are THE SAME SIZE

[outer sphinx]

also non night time carnis are mostly bold but fortune favours the foolish, thats what hunting as a utah at night should be like

[outer sphinx]

bc ava is garbage otherwise

[manic flint]

They should just pick one

Just pick proto

[signal beacon]

How heavy is ava? Its around utah weight yes?

[outer sphinx]

just pick proto bc at least he interacts totaly dif than the other ceratopsians bc he needs to bite and doesnt use fractures or impaling

[outer sphinx]

620

proto 130

[manic flint]

He uses fracture

[signal beacon]

Ava could in theory fight a utah then yes?

[manic flint]

It headsmashes a velo in the concept art

[outer sphinx]

i mean ye his bite would cause fractures to small stuff but the idea, rhino and proto are the only ones that function diferently

[manic flint]

In theory but Utah is made to hunt ceratopsians

[signal beacon]

I'm talking about slower not as pounce reliant irl utah

[outer sphinx]

ig but thats def no fracture, just a bumb, his bite tho def will do some fracture to small stuff

[manic flint]

Ic

[outer sphinx]

irl utah would demolish ava lel

[signal beacon]

Yea just yeet ava honestly. And styraco.

[manic flint]

Rugops is that small???

[outer sphinx]

yes

[tight oxide]

Wasnt irl utah a lil shorter than dilo

[outer sphinx]

ava is just ta shit minmi bc of the weight and a useless proto with 500 more hp

[outer sphinx]

the utha there is accurate in terms of height with irl utah

roughly that

[signal beacon]

And styraco and pachyrino are the same teir yes?

[tight oxide]

Heh

[outer sphinx]

rhino jusy above iirc, let me see

[manic flint]

I always think thought rigid was cera sized

[outer sphinx]

ye styraco is 2500 and rhino 4200

[manic flint]

Styraco is mid tier, rhino is a pseudo

[signal beacon]

Cause honestly dibble is already our mid teir ceratopsid. Rhino is just more unique

[signal beacon]

Styraco doesn't have anything special aside from maybe pounce resistance from its frill

[outer sphinx]

dibble contests with styraco not rhino, these are very close in size, and work fundamentaly the same

[signal beacon]

Ik so keep dibble or styraco. Then keep rhino as our bruiser ceratopsid. We dont need 2 mid teir ceratopsids that use the same weapons

[tight oxide]

Acro ate mc donalds?

[signal beacon]

Phat

[outer sphinx]

i've had the idea for dibble to parry attacks, making fights long and tiring the predator, either letting it get away or killing it in its state, while styraco stands its ground, ready to thrust like a lance, and when things get dicy his alt can cover the whole flank of the respective direction leaving the other one clear for a strike if its a pack and a coordinated one at that

think styracos alt like him getting on his hind legs swinging his head, like how horses turn on a dime

[signal beacon]

A shield and a lance

That's actually really cool

[outer sphinx]

basically

[tight oxide]

So uh

Hear me out

Hypsi can spit when being pinned

[outer sphinx]

they are still the closest ceratopsians in terms of overlaping but giving then dif biomes might be enough with what i said above

also forgot to add to the styraco, he punishes mistakes, hard

[tight oxide]

Guess my idea will forgotten...

[signal beacon]

A step in the wrong direction would put even a rex outta commission vs styraco

[signal beacon]

Itd die anyway but it be a funny way of just saying "y'know what fuck you"

[tight oxide]

Yes

Die with a bang right

[outer sphinx]

not really but def a good styraco desires respect, it may be 2.5t but it punishes hard, like a mini trike, an adult rex that knows how styraco works would have no deal, styraco can at least run away, trike tho stays and fights it

[tight oxide]

Trike hopefully should require 2 rexes since rex shoulnt win in a face tank

[outer sphinx]

def, or a bad trike

or rex ambusing

[tight oxide]

Giga tho...

[outer sphinx]

giga ambushes, gets some bleed and just doesnt let go of the hunt

[tight oxide]

Yea

Giga better be faster than rex tho

No matter what...

[outer sphinx]

trike needs to fight back if it wants to survive, unlike rex where you may run to help or sthm with giga you need to stay your ground

[outer sphinx]

i'd say rex is 22 and giga 28

[tight oxide]

Giga needs to just bleed it out tbh

[outer sphinx]

bc giga also has great stam and bleed

[tight oxide]

Plus good weight

So good hp

Wonder if giga will have good bite force ingame

[outer sphinx]

for an apex, mediocre but it has bleed to back it up

my bet is 500 bc deino needs to be like 700

spino 650 and rex 900-1k

[tight oxide]

I think giga should bite higher than spino

While spino has hp on its side

[outer sphinx]

spino will prob share deinos land speed or just a bit faster

[tight oxide]

But thats just me

[tight oxide]

Hopefully deino can kill it then

[outer sphinx]

also the model we have for spino supports it having such a strong bite

[tight oxide]

Eh

Not a fan of the model still

This tho...

[lavish quail]

Beautiful

[tight oxide]

Yup

[outer sphinx]

i think the idea is to have spino in swamp and deino in rivers, and sucho kinda lives in both as it can escape both and has land too, plus we still need marshes and small rivers too for cherry bary austro and minmi and sucho

[outer sphinx]

we have to work with what we got and what we got supports a strong bite :/

[lavish quail]

Spino should go wherever it wants

You have a lake? No no no I have a lake

[outer sphinx]

kinda but its also the slowest so land is its bane

[tight oxide]

I mean our giga looks armored a bit

Sooo...

Well thick skined

[outer sphinx]

ye ik, both spino and giga have hypo armour bc...

[tight oxide]

Poor rex got no hypo based remodel

[outer sphinx]

but got the most accurate model out of all

by far of any large carni really

[tight oxide]

Doesnt fit in tho

[lavish quail]

Screw that I want my spino to be cool

[tight oxide]

Imagine seeing hypo looking spino fighting accurate looking rex

[lavish quail]

Don’t give me no snake ass looking spino that changes every other month

[outer sphinx]

or the other 2 dont fit in

[lavish quail]

Screw you our spino looks cool

[outer sphinx]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/423939730544132096/934157564097200159 does it tho?

[manic flint]

This model is leagues better than our rex with crocodile face, long arms and a sail

Our spino looks like a rex in a Halloween costume

[outer sphinx]

theres an image thats this spino but its just rex head but elongated lmao

[lavish quail]

Yes.

[outer sphinx]

🧢

[paper oriole]

Idk if taking away troodon's mimicry is necessary but oviraptor definitely deserved it more ):

Ovi has nothing that we know of so far that makes him unique

[outer sphinx]

for ovi it makes sense, it can have its pair call to distract the parents

for troo i have no clue why

[warm flame]

exactly

what'd troodon do with mimicry other than troll?

[paper oriole]

I guess troo has it to try to separate groups too but he doesnt need it

[outer sphinx]

but i also see the point for troo, it fuck with your understanding, if you dont know what you are fighting you dont know how to react

[paper oriole]

His venom definitely looks more solo-target focused than dilo's

If ovi got mimicry as well it'd be fine, mimicry isnt unique to any one animal even irl

[outer sphinx]

i mean both would work for solo or groups, but dilos will cause more chaos as its prob gonna cause some tks

oh fuck i just killed jimmy, wait, it was a dilo or jimmy

[paper oriole]

Dilos looks better for groups due to being able to push friendly fire more

I think Troodon will work best where they can focus one target

[outer sphinx]

well ye, what i just said, troo can kinda do that too, tires the adults so the juvies are easy prey

[paper geyser]

wouldn't work for ovi

[paper oriole]

Hard to tell just yet though, but either way ovi would have made good use of mimicry

[outer sphinx]

yes it works best when there is like 1 or 2 adults but the idea

[paper geyser]

i'd rather neither of them got it

[outer sphinx]

im fine with that too

[paper oriole]

Troo already has nv and venom and will probably grow fast

[outer sphinx]

same for ovi, ovi is really small so he will also grow pretty fast

[paper oriole]

Yeah but he has no other thing going for him

[compact hare]

troodon is just missing burrow and flight

[outer sphinx]

why tho, https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/423939730544132096/934164922764521472 wouldnt this go hand in hand?

[paper oriole]

Ovi as we see it in its concept and description just looks like a budget galli

[outer sphinx]

thats minmi

[compact hare]

oh yea true, Im sorry ()

[outer sphinx]

omni, maybe the only one that eats eggs... hmm..

[paper oriole]

No

Galli and many others will eat eggs

Damn i cant type on mobile

[outer sphinx]

ikr

[warm flame]

I'm always on mobile

ovi has nothing special to it but eating eggs, which as mira said other dinos will do including galli which is bigger, stronger, and faster, the only thing making ovi a better egg eater than it is it can hide easier

[paper geyser]

because ovi having mimicry will fundamentally change how players guard nests. They'll be much more hesitant to leave their eggs unprotected if they know a mimic egg thief is around, so they'll either stay with the eggs or keep the other parent with them. No real chance for ovi to get eggs unless they're against stupid players. Troodon's use of mimicry changes nothing, people are always out to get food (or adopt babies if they're that kind of person). So although people will be more wary of sounds when hunting, they'll have no choice but to check the source of the sound for food. Parents protecting a nest have little reason to leave eggs unprotected if they conveniently happen to hear a dryo call right next to their nest

[paper oriole]

You overestimate the competence of isle parents

[paper geyser]

i agree troodon's kit is already plenty, but giving ovi an ability it'll have very situational use for isn't the solution imo

it's much more suited to a carnivore

[paper geyser]

perhaps. Just my two cents

[paper oriole]

People still fall for deino corpse-on-shore trap. Isle players are dumb

[outer sphinx]

i mean its the same rn for ovi, if its ever seen at some point its fucked which fair why did it let that happen, but its existance forces parents to always guard nests, also what if it wasnt an ovi mimic but the actual deal, now they get punished

this depends on what can troo mimic tho

[paper geyser]

yes but the same point applies, people will be a lot more hesitant to run away before seeing the threat itself if they know an egg thief can mimic threats

though yes i could be overestimating the intelligence of the average isle player

[outer sphinx]

but they can never know what is actually real untill it has happened or ovi was dumb and showed himself

[paper oriole]

If people still fall for something as obvious as a dead fish on a deep riverbank then there will be an abundance of people willing to risk leaving their nest if they think they heard a velo, juvie or small herbivore or something

[warm flame]

I imagine if a pair of utahs were gaurding a nest and they heard an ovi mimicking a roaring rex with the booming footsteps the parents would run before thinking to look

[outer sphinx]

the sheer exisistence of egg eaters will make people always stay at the nest

[paper geyser]

yes that's the point, unless they see it they can always assume it's an ovi and do nothing until they actually have visual

[paper oriole]

Doubt something so small would mimic an adult rex well without it looking comical lol

[paper geyser]

yeah that's a bit of a stretch

[outer sphinx]

some cera thinking its a ava for an easy kill then comes back to no eggs

[paper geyser]

and footsteps? Eh. Also i know i wouldn't, i'd wait to see a rex considering i'd be faster than it regardless

[signal beacon]

Ovi mimics an ovi to steal ovi eggs

[outer sphinx]

i was thinking like max cera and some calls too, like some of the more muted ones if it has that etc

[paper geyser]

5D chess

[warm flame]

carno then? I also think that ovi being able to mimic footsteps would be able to get a jolt out of someone

[paper oriole]

Yeah theres lots of people who fall for tricks easy and also an abundance of awful parents from legacy. It isnt hard to believe this would be happening

[warm flame]

traitor

[outer sphinx]

and if they can never get visual and it actually was the real deal and get punished, also getting visual requiers you to move which is what it wants

unless dumb ovi as i said

[paper oriole]

Its also easy to spam call and annoy somebody in to leaving because they want to kick your ass

[warm flame]

ovi mimics a carno charge

[paper oriole]

Mimic a hypsi spam calling and somebody will go “thats it” and leave their nest to shut you up out of anger

[outer sphinx]

dumb ovi: mimics shows itself

It is me, I am here, now give me your eggs!

[paper geyser]

me ------ shrubs -- ovi

i will wait to see something come out of the shrubs. Keep my distance while also keeping an eye on the eggs

but that's just me, can't speak for the average islecorder

[paper oriole]

The majority of players arent that cautious from my experience

[outer sphinx]

ye there will be from time to time smart players, thast the beauty of such a game, then ovi just moves to the next one or looks for smth else to eat, the pro of an omni, it has options

[outer sphinx]

we are a small minority but we make the game fun and annoying for the rest

[warm flame]

I just think that ovi'd make more use out of mimicking than troodon

[outer sphinx]

he was... smart?!

[signal beacon]

I've seen juvi trikes run out of their nest to a rex to "bite their toes" in chat. Ovi will be having a buffet of dumb ass hatchling and parents from legacy

[paper oriole]

if i have no fertilized eggs im not even gonna be too cautious either lol

[outer sphinx]

imo both would, just give it to both, makes it even better bc you cant know which one it is

[paper geyser]

not a horrible idea tbf, we already know other playables are/will share abilities. Just give it to both of them

[outer sphinx]

they will use it for dif needs but for the recieving players its a real fuckery

[signal beacon]

Troodon mimicking an ovi to lure an ovi and gets lured by an ovi mimicking a troodon

[outer sphinx]

How to fry Isle players brain 101

[paper oriole]

Troodon's unique flair could be that he can mimic human voice

[outer sphinx]

oh the paradox

[paper geyser]

yeah allowing them to mimic different things could be a way to differentiate the abilities slightly

[paper oriole]

But ovi could definitely use dino mimics alone to achieve his goals

[outer sphinx]

that'd be nice, makes it a bit dif from ovi and a pain for humans

[silver zephyr]

ovi mimics dinos, troo mimics mercs and tribals

[signal beacon]

Que that vid of a crow saying fuck off

[paper geyser]

troodon would make good use out of mimicking humans considering it's in the perfect size range to rip them to shreds

[warm flame]

if you're guarding a nest and you hear something mimicking, at first you may think it's an ovi, but it turns out to be a troodon which they begin getting killed by a troodon horde

[paper oriole]

If ovi can only mimic dinos and troo can expand to mimicking human greetings or cries for help it could still be more than good enough

[outer sphinx]

kinda likw how burrows will work a bit dif for some, some getting basic and others elaborate tunnels, mimic could be the same, one has its dif and the other his but both share some parts

[outer sphinx]

then its actually a dilo and its night

double whammy

ovi mimics troo then mimics a dilo

[warm flame]

troodon horde vs dilo pair, who wins

[outer sphinx]

at night dilo, at day troo

bite dilo will most likely 1 shot troo

[signal beacon]

Dilo cause its cooler

Dilo is 100x better than troo

[warm flame]

but aren't both nocturnal

[signal beacon]

Troo has boring lethal venom while dilo has cool drug drool

[outer sphinx]

yes but dilos venom only works at night while troo is 24/7, both share the best nv tho yes

[warm flame]

why does it only work at night, that doesn't make a lot of sense

[outer sphinx]

troo aint lethal i think, just makes you very very ill and tires you/ puke etc

[signal beacon]

I am going to be a dilo and give random apexes highs

[warm flame]

you puke from a troodon bite and lose all your diets

[signal beacon]

Dilo venom would be great for parties

[warm flame]

humans milk dilo venom as a substitute for beer

[outer sphinx]

thats what trello says, maybe it has to do with UV rays from the sun and how the halucinations take effect, also we know very well that at night the brain starts to fuck with us, its venom enhances that

[warm flame]

ok that makes sense actually

[outer sphinx]

some rex comes and pays you to get hight

business is booming

[warm flame]

"I'll give you my son if you give me a nibble"

[outer sphinx]

ye and goes well with the lore that we are just humans (well idea not lore) in dino bodies bc the brain only fucks with more inteligent beeings

[warm flame]

petition to put dilo venom on human diet

[outer sphinx]

i'll give you a glowstick and a location with 6 protos if you make me high

also, if we get proxy voice chat, pls let dinos be able to hear, would be hilarious, maybe kinda distorted but still eligeble

[warm flame]

humans have robot voices when they speak in chat

[outer sphinx]

they sound like half life grunts

[warm flame]

half life and the isle colab????

[outer sphinx]

Punch aprooves

also in interesting idea, imagine of troo and ovi teamp up for 1000 confusion and they get more eggs, ovi eat their parts and troo keep the eggs till they hatch and eat the juvie

[echo tiger]

I love the idea of Troodon to be a human hunter

[outer sphinx]

well thats basically what utah and troo will do a lot

dilo is just there in the backround providing crack for the survivors

[signal beacon]

H- hey. Hey man you got the stuff!?

You got the stuff?

Yea *dumps 7 juvi protos out of a bag

[outer sphinx]

and a random human leg

[signal beacon]

Umm you're a human? Where the fuck did you ge-

Dont ask fucking questions just give me the shit

[outer sphinx]

Now thats some DayZ shit right there

[gray loom]

@paper oriole ohohoho thats an awesome idea. The game will truly become so incredibly awesome when that happens.

[paper oriole]

annihilation bear vibes with troodon

[tight oxide]

Utah vs dilo at night and location is near rocks

Who wins...

[paper oriole]

i suppose the raptors could just hold out on the rocks like cowards as they did in legacy unless dilo gets enough of a jump to scoot up there with them lol

mainly depends on how dumb the utahs are

[tight oxide]

Depends tho

Can the utahs land pounce

[paper oriole]

yeah the utahs' skill probably determines the whole matchup, near terrain like that i assume they would have the advantage by default

[tight oxide]

Dilo dps weight

Tho

[paper oriole]

dilos size and venom, possibly bleed would give him a good flat melee advantage i think, but utah seems to depend in avoiding damage ot begin with

[outer sphinx]

if utah in general gets hit its ded

[tight oxide]

Kinda sad how the biggest raptor avoids hits lol

[paper oriole]

it seems fine for what niche they hold

[barren zephyr]

If the utah manages to land a pounce on a Dilo them the Dilo is probably screwed

[outer sphinx]

dont worry, it will become smaller (maybe)

[barren zephyr]

that’s if the utah doesn’t miss its pounce completely

[tight oxide]

I thonk you mean dw for irl utah is coming

[barren zephyr]

because Dilo is a lanky bastard

[paper oriole]

if we really do get true utah in like 5 years then theyd be a bit more capable of exchanging blows

[tight oxide]

Irl utah vs irl dilo

[tight oxide]

Maybe even handle pachy population

[paper oriole]

yeah it could easily be a small tier brawler

like pachy

[outer sphinx]

kinda, very likely irl utha will replace this one in terms of weight bc its meant to be accurate and this one gets renamed and lower weight (prob with some buffs to added tho)

[tight oxide]

What moves though lol

[barren zephyr]

large feathered forest redwoods dweller utah 🙂

[paper oriole]

probably kicks, grapples and pins if i were to guess

[barren zephyr]

People say carno would invalidate utah even though it doesn’t need to live in the plains

[paper oriole]

real utah cant pounce like a kangaroo on crack though like what we currently have, he was too chunky

a lot of things in this game could probably 'invalidate' an accurate utah, but just like tenonto, changes can be made while still keeping it as a recognizable utahraptor. even excellent agility could save it from things like carno and allo in the jungle

doesnt even need to stretch that far i think

[barren zephyr]

Tenonto was heavily fictionalized but it works

As a dinosaur

You take a look at it and you would think it’s a normal dinosaur

[paper oriole]

tenonto was fictionalized but you can still look at it and think "tenontosaurus", because for the most part they just expanded on its already large tail

[barren zephyr]

Doesn’t look too out of the ordinary

[outer sphinx]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/423939730544132096/934129488063762483 read from here down, i mostly described how i would make utah

[barren zephyr]

Still bipedal tenonto needs to happen

[tight oxide]

Even slaps

[paper oriole]

yeah i could see utah dishing out some slaps with his kicks

[tight oxide]

No...

Just hand slaps

[paper oriole]

i mean slaps and kicks

[tight oxide]

Those arms demand to slap

[barren zephyr]

So is like actual utahraptor confirmed for this game? Would that make our current utah novaraptor or something?

[tight oxide]

It is

[paper oriole]

imagine a utah just walks up to you and nonchalantly slaps you in the face

[tight oxide]

And our utah wpuld renammed

[paper oriole]

dondi said no nova

i think apolloraptor would fit tbh

[barren zephyr]

Kinda looks like deinonychus

[paper oriole]

or a whole new name like idfk. velociovenator or some random shit

[barren zephyr]

something incredibly bland and edgy so nobody will play it (thank god)

[paper oriole]

alpharaptor lol

tyrannoraptor

[outer sphinx]

sigmaraptor

[barren zephyr]

Shadowraptorthestrong

[paper oriole]

isleraptor dondii

[barren zephyr]

🙂

[outer sphinx]

islesigmaraptor dondi fragilis

[warm flame]

apolloraptor vs utahraptor

[signal beacon]

Utah wins

Heavier, stronger, and...

Has feathers.

[tight oxide]

Bleed reduction ig

[fair vale]

Please implement some form of a /stuck command to let players help themselves instead of relying on administrators.

[barren zephyr]

#general-feedback

[lyric spoke]

oasis is so boring,

[tight oxide]

not really

[lyric spoke]

its pretty predictable. stegos sit at the mud pool with herbs. eventually a utah packs shows up from south spawn and all die in less than 5 mins from the herd. eventually a deino gets hungry and fails an ambush on the mud pool, then gets killed by stego. it is literally these same events on repeat all day

[tight oxide]

now lets remove stego...

[lyric spoke]

better than removing stego let's finally get a carnivore that can fight it. imo all production on any dino needs to cease until that happens

[tight oxide]

no stego needs to commit gone

[lyric spoke]

hahahaha

[tight oxide]

we know devs wont stop production for one dino to counter stego

so easier to say no more stego

[barren zephyr]

let’s add 2 apex sized animals with a group of smalls

[tight oxide]

smort devs

[tepid gate]

This might be a shocker but I'm pretty sure that the devs generally... don't care about that - they prioritise what they perceive as the eventual final state of the game over making it playable or enjoyable currently.

They wanted to have Deinosuchus in the game because it was the most challenging semi-aquatic presumably and they got it in the game no matter how it affects the gameplay.

Stego on the other hand was supposed to be just an AI but they made it playable since the AI for it wasn't ready and good enough... and here we are.

[tight oxide]

then again you get un happy people

but I see why they did this

[tepid gate]

This might sound kind of bad but I don't think that the devs care all that much that people are unhappy. A tonne of their decisions made people unhappy but they stuck to them simply because they fit what they want the game to eventually become.

[limber hull]

Deino was added primarily due to hype

It was the most anticipated animal to come from EVRIMA when EVRIMA was still in dev

[sacred moat]

I never understood the hype for deino

You’re a giant croc

Crocs aren’t the most eventful animals. 90% of gameplay is just standing still in water, the other 10% is finding fish AI to eat

[limber hull]

I mean, some people expected something from deino it wasn't going to be

And some people got exactly what they wanted. A giant fucking croc

Some people are completely fine with the lazier lifestyle of the croc

I personally get it, it's such a deviance from the norm when it came to legacy. The closest thing legacy had to a semi-aquatic was sucho, which could basically just swim faster and for longer

Then we get news that we have something that can dive underwater, ambush people drinking from it and so on, it completely turned everything on its head

Some people liked what deino represented, the danger of drinking and adding risk to more resources
Some people liked the idea of playing deino, a lumbering slow beast that can jumpscare people and drag them to a watery grave
And some people just really liked the idea of beeg beeg gator

[paper oriole]

Deino mains

[gritty helm]

True

[limber hull]

i mean

its a huge alligator

[tepid gate]

That's putting it mildly - this animal has caused the game to break its own popularity record. When Deino was released the number of players jumped above that we had at the release of Evrima.

[limber hull]

exactly

[paper oriole]

the brought in huge op alligator for big profits and then cucked it lol

[paper oriole]

this guy wants deino alt bite to deal 1k damage?

[limber hull]

im confused by his entire feedback post

[paper oriole]

@frozen kestrel are you asking for 1k alt bite damage?

[frozen kestrel]

no

[paper oriole]

there are a lot of reverberating balance issues with that

[frozen kestrel]

aculusi is

[paper oriole]

oh

wait what

[limber hull]

It takes atleast 2 swings of a stegos tail to kill another stego to the head
Not true, it takes 3 if 2 of the hits connect with the head

On my knees, 4 bites to a stegos face to kill it, it should be 1 infact, but for the reasonableness of balancing, make it 4
I had a stroke while reading this, I genuinely don't know what this means

Deinos dmg atleast 1200 ALT bite, 1000 if you want. Anything lower than 1000 is a little icky
1000 bite force deino is insane and could 3-tap a stego easily if it got pure headbites

[barren zephyr]

5 hours gone

[paper oriole]

if deino did 1k damage he'd have no reason not to go land gator again and prevent any other predators from eating kills near water

[barren zephyr]

in the span of 2 seconds

[limber hull]

the difference between stego and deino's damage is stego's anims take a LONG time

like they are without a doubt the slowest attacks in the game, so slow that a raptor has time to pounce in the cooldown intervals

[paper oriole]

what deino needs is more deep water, fracture on his bite, and terrestrial animals should have their weight lowered while swimming. he doesnt need 1k bite. also unlike stego, deino can easily choose not to die in a fight against anything except another deino

[limber hull]

deino however is shockingly quick for its size

in terms of attack speed

[paper oriole]

however stego is balanced, he still can not run you down or run away

even if he does disgusting damage or even if his spikes blew you up if they touched you

he cant run you down or run away

[limber hull]

i think deino's entire existence can be improved by better map design

[paper oriole]

yeah the map is one of deino's biggest issues

[urban flax]

This feedback lol
Says deino should one-shot stego to the head because realism
Doesn't consider the fact that a thagomizer strike should one shot deino to the head AND body

[paper oriole]

5+ hr animals one shotting eachother is peak gameplay

[urban flax]

Perfectly balanced
As all things should be

[limber hull]

the joy of losing a 5 hour animal to a single attack

[icy lion]

#offtopic-discussion

[halcyon sparrow]

thanks

[mellow sphinx]

It seems like everyone on this discord is very biased towards herbivores

If you think that Deino isn’t weak at the moment I seriously don’t know what goes through your head, and doubt you’ve ever played it in the current update

[paper oriole]

ive played deino, literally its biggest problem is everybody is at oasis and nobody comes to deep water unless they just dont care about dying

it oneshots everything except stego with its lunge, but the fact that it gets few opportunities to use that lunge is what screws it

[patent garden]

big croc good, map bad

[paper oriole]

deino could use some changes, but a monsterous bite force isnt one of them

if you give it that then it just becomes deinorex again coming on land and stealing every body it can

[patent garden]

i know i said it weirdly but i genuinely think the balance of deino is fine atm, maybe just reduce its hunger / metabolism a bit and make it heal slower in exchange. then, most importantly, fix the goddamned map

honestly all dinos could do with a hunger reduction imo, to me it just feels lazy on the devs part and like a filler instead of better gameplay

[paper oriole]

idk why they gave deino a diet too

like its a damn alligator, its not gonna be picky, it cant afford to be

[patent garden]

^

[urban flax]

[patent garden]

id say its the opposite lmao people constantly complain about herbis bodyguarding and about stegos being unkillable when deinos can literally disengage and sprint back into the water anytime they want

[paper oriole]

theres a lot of people in this community who want all herbivores to run away and not kill their attackers. wouldnt say herbi bias is a majority here lol

[gray loom]

I feel like another thing to make the game interesting besides constantly looking for food is rivalries. Herbivores could have males contesting over mating rights, male carnivores could have something similar but also some could have territorial instincts, and have some sort of incentive to fight off other males in its territory.

[paper oriole]

i was hoping tenonto courting would be more competition based like that, hopefully stuff like that is added

and things like carnos shoving their heads together, rexes and ceratos face biting, ceratopsians sparring with their horns

[gray loom]

^ all good ideas

[paper oriole]

also would be cool if there was other systems like gifting a rock or a stick like some other animals do

[gray loom]

or even be able to chew on sticks and bones, for hatchlings and juveniles

[paper oriole]

chewing on stripped bones could honestly work for a lot of animals across all factions, carni omni and herbi

since its so common irl even among animals like deer. being able to drop bone pieces as gifts or as buff items for carni hatchlings could be cute

[gray loom]

yea it would give hatchlings something to do besides nothing

[limber hull]

perhaps, but at the same time, I HATED MT deino

3 nutrients from legit anything was a snoozefest

literally killed myself out of boredom

[paper oriole]

Ig it should still require fish, since thats an accessable food that makes up a big chunk of gator diets anyway, but its diet should be a lot less specific

[limber hull]

still disappointed in current juvi carni diets too, they just blow so bad. Absolutely the most boring part of the game

[paper oriole]

Juvi carnis are peak afk grow gameplay lmao

[limber hull]

yea

it kinda blows honestly

[paper oriole]

Hopefully the gore update fixes that

[frozen kestrel]

[outer sphinx]

yup, or more damage to its bite if fractures may be to OP

[limber hull]

[frozen kestrel]

bruh ur tweaking my guy

[limber hull]

it literally is the slowest attack

[frozen kestrel]

no

[limber hull]

i see

[frozen kestrel]

if you swing directly behind you, then yes

but why do that?

[limber hull]

if you swing in any direction then yes. Swinging behind or in front is just EXTREMELY slow

Slow vs extremely slow

[frozen kestrel]

no

a utah cannot pounce between a stego spam swinging

[limber hull]

i've done it

[frozen kestrel]

i dont know how you got that idea

they have skill issue then

[limber hull]

i got the idea from literally doing it

[frozen kestrel]

simple

[limber hull]

also if they're spam swinging, they're wasting stam

[frozen kestrel]

yes

[limber hull]

which means you can win regardless

[frozen kestrel]

ok

and?

[mellow sphinx]

This doesn’t even make sense because Deinosuchus had a greater biteforce than T-Rex anyway. It’s bite is it’s main asset

[limber hull]

what is the point of this argument

lmao

[frozen kestrel]

yk thats a solid question

it wasnt even my idea to post that

[tight oxide]

lmao

[paper oriole]

Do you know what game balance is? There are humans controlling these animals, nature's balance doesn’t apply here

If you slap t rex+ level bite force on deino you'll have a bunch of smooth brains playing it like a rex

[outer sphinx]

also rex has a stronger bite, deino is close but weaker, purru on the other hand...

[paper oriole]

Deino has a relatively well balanced ability that works wonders in the water, where it's supposed to be

Glad people like this arent devs. the isle devs may make some stupid decisions but at least they use some logic

[outer sphinx]

i mean logic is not someting used much in this server or the community in general

[paper oriole]

Truth

[outer sphinx]

i see so much of people just comparing shit that shouldnt be compared, they dont know how to actually equaly compare something, idea that just fulfill the jp fantasy etc, very rare or never i really see an idea (that isnt just a biome, skin etc) that helps the gameplay

[paper oriole]

Ive seen the “crocodiles have big strong bite. Deinosuchus beats rex. Rawr xd give deino 472926291761 bite force because i read Wikipedia” so many times

[frozen kestrel]

[paper oriole]

Like remember when deino could spam alt bite and theyd just go on land and fight everything in sight and steal all the bodies lmao

[outer sphinx]

i've seen a good amount of just people dumbing down some dinos in the most basic and barebones version and saying one need to be removed etc bc for ex it eats meat, its a carni, it attacks shit, it has a bite, bc logic in this world has died 2 decades ago

[paper oriole]

They want bite force measuring contest like legacy

Everything just bites and has no unique mechanics that place it in a niche

[outer sphinx]

those ones really annoy me a lot, people just cant seem to realise or see more than waht niches where deifnes by legacy, in general this whole game comunity lacks foresight

the devs seem to only have that and lack of present and the community has no regard for foresight and only moment to moment basis

[paper oriole]

They probably mained rex in legacy or assrode a lot and dont want to lose that simple way of life

Using special abilities hard, i wanna recklessly spam lmb

[limber hull]

ambush speed

[outer sphinx]

not even that, people in general have no thought in terms of foresight, and the devs and how it seems development works thats all they have so theres a clear contrats between the 2 sides and thats also a reason it hurts both sides

[paper oriole]

They also tend to focus on a single matchup and request changes that would completely destroy all its other matchups

[outer sphinx]

like i can commend the devs bc they most likely have it all planned out, they know it may be shit rn but they know whats planned and how it will work, sign of foresight, the comunity doesnt have that, they hate the present decissions, dare i say lack creativity and in return the game does worse and that hurts the devs

[paper oriole]

Pretty sure one of the devs said that some animals people complain about are only a problem because people aren’t utilizing them or their opposition properly, which often is the case

Despite the fact that they sometimes make insane decisions, it usually gets remedied eventually

[outer sphinx]

ye, like its def not their fault bc people just want to use create carnorex and deinorex, like carno and deino do have their problems but sure as hell it has nothing to do with the fact they cant fullfill the jp fantasy

[paper oriole]

And they at least seem to have niches hardset for animals when theyre released, whether it is done well initially or not, they know what they want in order to make those animals fit their unique niche. Deino's grab and drown was a good way to balance it to be dangerous in water without also making it a land predator, like they obviously knew what they were doing there. Some people wanna run around spam biting, have their fav dino be an unstoppable powerhouse, and take 10 screenshots of themselves broadcasting every time they kill another player

[frozen kestrel]

how would deino be a land predator, its the slowest thing in the game

explain it to me

[outer sphinx]

idk ask the deinorex fanbase

[frozen kestrel]

where are they?

[outer sphinx]

idk i aint one of them ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[frozen kestrel]

you gotta atleast give me directions

[paper oriole]

When deino had alt bite beyblade they would literally just steal every single kill other carnis made remotely near their river spots

[frozen kestrel]

that makes them a scavenger then, and deinos still do that

[paper oriole]

Deino isnt supposed to be a bully

[frozen kestrel]

ok

[paper oriole]

On land at least

[frozen kestrel]

this is people not real dinosaurs

what do you expect?

[outer sphinx]

crocs just need a land bully that isnt a herbi to remind them to stay in water

[paper oriole]

He was going in the middle of center and shit and picking fights because no other predator could stop him from stealing their kills

[frozen kestrel]

who?

[paper oriole]

Deino

[frozen kestrel]

when

update 3?

[paper oriole]

During the beyblade patch

[frozen kestrel]

stego exists

[outer sphinx]

kinda, but this is def sometihing people lack in here, they loose al sense of foresight and just disregard many atributes bc reasons...

[frozen kestrel]

name it

a number

[paper oriole]

They were killing stegs with the alt bite it was so fast lol

[frozen kestrel]

oh you mean when you could alt bite the head through the body

[paper oriole]

I dont even remember if it was update 2 i think it was

[frozen kestrel]

ok

that was like a year ago

[paper oriole]

And

[frozen kestrel]

why bring that up now

[paper oriole]

My point is when deinos could go on land due to a strong attack they ahused it

[frozen kestrel]

a year ago

[paper oriole]

And?

[frozen kestrel]

its fixed

[limber hull]

deino was released U3 lmao

[paper oriole]

The discussion is about people wanting deino to be deinorex again

[frozen kestrel]

deinos alt does 1200 to stegos head rn

[outer sphinx]

deinorex breaks time and reality

[paper oriole]

Shit must’ve been then

[frozen kestrel]

so attack doesnt have much to do with it

[limber hull]

that isn't even true

[frozen kestrel]

it does lmao

play deino on a free grow server and have a friend be stego

6 bites, and after the fifth they have 1 hp

[limber hull]

okay, i guess it does, not like i'd know anything about how much damage things do lmao

[frozen kestrel]

what can i say

[paper oriole]

It doesn’t need a direct damage buff which some people seem to want, especially to 1k+ because “muh stronger than rex bite force”

[frozen kestrel]

it already does 1k plus

and still loses

[paper oriole]

Stego's head multiplier is irrelevant

[limber hull]

i really dont see the point in arguing with someone who actively denies me giving them facts lmao

[frozen kestrel]

bro

[paper oriole]

I am talking about its base attack force

[frozen kestrel]

you arent giving facts

[frozen kestrel]

ok,

i dont think that needs buffed either

[paper oriole]

Stego has a 1.5 multiplier right

[frozen kestrel]

yes

[limber hull]

no

[frozen kestrel]

idk

[paper oriole]

What was it then i dont even remember

[limber hull]

stego has a specifically higher head multiplier

[frozen kestrel]

what is it then?

[limber hull]

2x

[frozen kestrel]

u sure?

[limber hull]

100%

[paper oriole]

So it would be a flat 1k headshot

[frozen kestrel]

on your life?

[limber hull]

why the fuck would i need to promise on my life it's a game mf

[frozen kestrel]

lol

[paper oriole]

Swear on ye mum

[solid wedge]

where at? the head?

[inner crow]

I'm sorry but how can this be allowed stegos shouldn't be able to be in the water like this? and we can't do shit about it

or is that just me

Like if their entire tail is submerged the damage should be decreased atleast

[outer sphinx]

tf did i just read, and tf has that image to do with anything... carni bias...

[odd token]

whats funny about it is that there isn't any rules at all, people mix/over pack as much as they feel like, thats why currently the community with this game is just completely lowest tier of scum. Oasis is a shit hole of casual players mix packing with other carnivores because they see this game as dino facebook and continue to be bad at this game. I can only hope for the devs to remove oasis or rework it in a way where not the whole server just stays at or near oasis.

[lavish quail]

Idk man but the dinosaur tent sells it

[outer sphinx]

idk what he's selling but i aint buying it

[urban flax]

I'm pretty sure it's about making herbies die just by standing around their fallen brethren.

Pretty balanced in my opinion
There is no reason herbs should be able to defend themselves, even irl like shown in Jurassic World they never do, they just exist to serve as food for predators

[stray holly]

I mean

Herbivores are perfectly capable of defending themselves.

There’s a reason they have weapons like massive horns and tail spikes

[urban flax]

Decoration

Okay don't get angry, I'm just trolling X(

[tepid gate]

Herbivores are quite more than just "capable of defending themselves" atm

[echo tiger]

^

We just watched a stego take out 3 full deinos

by itself, thats fucked.

[stray holly]

That sounds like an imbalance combined with a skill issue

Is stego OP compared to Deino? Yes. Should 3 deinos get massacred by one? If they know what they’re doing no.

If they’re clueless, that’s what is gonna happen. In this state of the game.

[urban flax]

Stego isn't really in Deino's prey range tho...
If there's a overpowered herbi there, it's pachy
I mean, even though I'm super bad with it, I almost took both a juvie and an adult carno alone, as a 50% grown

[stray holly]

Pachy is kinda glitched atm.

I’ve seen fresh spawns stun adult carnos before

[urban flax]

Well glitchs can make something over-powered
We'll have to see how balanced it is once the bugs are fixed

[stray holly]

Really all they need to do with regards to stego is decrease it’s weight, and give a slight buff to Deino bite.

I think deinos vs stegos was balanced pretty well before this update.

[tepid gate]

Pachy, Teno, Stego probably too atm

[tepid gate]

3.5 it was a 50/50

on 3.75 it was already the way it is now

[stray holly]

Yeah. It should be a 50/50

I think that was because deinos could bite the head through the stegos body too.

Which is no longer a thing, and shouldn’t be a thing

[urban flax]

Deino Vs Stego shouldn't really be a 50/50 tho
That's like Trike vs Rex, Trike should definitely have the advantage

[outer sphinx]

teno is the only one as its supposed to cross with it more than the others

key word: supposed

[tepid gate]

Oh, I meant that all three are overpowered atm

They just offer way more than their carnivore counterpart for the time invested

their diets are also just better

[urban flax]

They don't have a carnivore counterpart

[barren zephyr]

Carno

[tepid gate]

Utah vs Pach, Carno vs Teno, Stego vs Deino

[urban flax]

Teno's carnivore counterpart would be cerato, and Stego's would be allo

[tepid gate]

herbivore in each case is better

[tepid gate]

What? Allo is half the size of a Stego and most definitely won't have that long of a growth time

Allo is a mid tier, Stego is an apex/pseudoapex

[urban flax]

Actually it makes sense that herbs are stronger than carnivores of equivalent size

[barren zephyr]

you’ll need like 2 solid allos to kill a single stego, if even

[tepid gate]

2 Allos would get stomped into the ground

by the current Stego

[urban flax]

Yeah but I'm not going to say Rex is equivalent to stego, since I doubt it is

[tepid gate]

I doubt 3 could pull it off unless they get an absolutely broken special ability

[barren zephyr]

I think a better matchup would be like

Acro vs stego or something like that

Stego would still win but

It’s closer

[urban flax]

Oh yeah I forgot Acro exists

[barren zephyr]

Yeah everyone forgets about him

[outer sphinx]

i mean stego looks like it will suck against apexes (giga, rex spino) but dominates small tiers/ crowds

[urban flax]

I think stego will suck against everything as long as it doesn't have an area-damage o moving tail swipe

[outer sphinx]

even a swing, my statement still holds, really effective for crowds but redundant for single large targets

[urban flax]

Well yes

The actual problem isn't really balance between carnis and herbis, it's that we have a lot of species that can't interact with each other
Utah is supposed to hunt big game, but the only big game available is designed to kill small attackers
Carno is supposed to hunt small game, but it's kit doesn't help it to do so
Deino is supposed to ambush from the water, but no one goes at places where water is deep enough for a deino to ambush
Ptera just vibes

[echo tiger]

Carno just needs it's hunger drain changed and it's golden.
Deino can fuck off, just remove it since it wont ever be viable.
Utah can only hunt solos or isolated groups, spreading diets should help with that.
Ptera is a government spy camera with infinite vibe potential

[outer sphinx]

yep, well more accurate is that stego is a flank watch so exactly the opposite of what utah needs, and deino need to go for teno or small stegos basically

[outer sphinx]

kinda, utah itself is good, the herbis arent, trying to take on a pachy or a teno is a death wish

[echo tiger]

Yeah that too, ALT spam with the pachy is fucking dumb same with tenos ASTRONOMICAL hitbox

But then again, a teno should be able to knock you over so it's a matter of tuning, ALT stun needs to be removed on pachy but it should cancel pounce or atleast deflect it so the utah lands on it's feet and can get away quick

Cause all it takes is two partial and one full one apparently to kill a pachy which is fine. They should bleed out very quickly given the robustness of its kit

Ever since the tap charge changes i've kinda been alright with pachy for the most part but it is still horribly overtuned

[outer sphinx]

imo:
stun needs to be removed
knockdowns should be made into ragdols (except tenos bc he slams it tail) so you more get yeeted than full stop
staggers get made into a way that cancels your attack but doesnt last long enough for the (pachy for the sake of simplicity) pachy to do damage to you in that state

[echo tiger]

The thing is they had ragdolling on knockdowns before and it was just as fucked.

[outer sphinx]

before as in?

[echo tiger]

I think it was early update 2 with the regional spawn system?

[outer sphinx]

did carno have it or just teno?

[echo tiger]

Like you could hit someone with a carno charge and they would literally ping off somewhere

[outer sphinx]

nvm, aight

[echo tiger]

I dont remember if i'm honest, i think carno and teno had it

I know teno had it for it's kick because the kick barely did any damage

[outer sphinx]

teno makes sense how it is now, he literally nails you in the ground but pachy can carno for ex here should have it as a ragdoll, bc you running at full speed and a carno just charges you and you just full stop and drop to the floor is stupid

[modest wind]

@magic vault I don't think they should bring back the group system completely. but, I do think there should be some ways to be able to make a group with your steam friends or something like that

[magic vault]

I think that the group system (not only think, I have seen this in action) is actually keeping a LOT of players from playing the game, unfortunately

Me and many other friends moved from The Isle, to many other dino survival games cause of this feature missing.

The Isle is a WONDERFUL game, not only by how it looks but also how the mechanics are starting to grow, I believe it can be the TOP 1 of Dinosaur Survival Games, and stay on it, on top of the very complex and intriguing lore...

I really wish for the grouping system to be back, so that I can come back as well, enjoying the game once more with my friends, without people rage-quitting over not being able to find each other, not only cause you have to use the coordinates and do lots of brain work, but also cause juvies almost do not have a voice... so even if you start yelling at each other, you have to be really, really close to hear it.

The Isle seems like a single player, at this point. I want to be able to finally group with 5+ people without having to run all over the map for hours and hours just to find them, and, by the time we find each other, people have to leave (cause of their play time) and a gaming session is spent into some sort of walking around and running simulator.
I want to be able to hunt, find food, forage, survive. Use all the mechanics that the game is offering us.

Also I am sorry- I am not trying to come across as too strong, mean or even criticizing the game in a bad light. I am giving honest opinions and constructive criticism that can improve the game, along with putting a point across.

[forest zephyr]

@magic vault hear hear

[magic vault]

@broken thorn

[broken thorn]

I've made it my mission to put it there each day untill we get a propper optimisation update or patch becouse the game is craaazy bad rn. 😩

[urban flax]

I'm sure that's completely useless but oh well
You spend your time however you want

[outer sphinx]

optimizing is a constant process with each update, we lack the number of patches/optimization

[lavish quail]

Isle gameplay

[urban flax]

At least it's not night

[lavish quail]

Guess the dino

[outer sphinx]

dryo

[urban flax]

Looking by the size of the leaves and the height of the camera, as well as the fact two of your nutrient bars are almost full but the third one is empty, I'd say Pachy
Since the third nutrient bar corresponds to the coconut nutrient, which is almost impossible to get as a juvie pachy

And the fact you are most encouraged to afk grow as a juvie pachy since it's the most useless juvie

[lavish quail]

It was dryo

[outer sphinx]

ha, knew you said yesterday you where trying to grow one

[urban flax]

Damnit

[warm flame]

I posted an explanation for someone's feedback that people weren't understanding and the message got deleted without explanation

looks like the post I was explaining was deleted too

[frozen kestrel]

yes

[frozen kestrel]

skill issue, 2 deinos who know how to play the game can easy clap 1 stego

[echo tiger]

You're high.

A stego that easily gets clapped by 2 deinos is just a walking skill issue. You cannot physically die to deinos as a stego unless you let them kill you

[frozen kestrel]

no lol

if a deino knows how to play the game, they can do like 80% of ur hp

of course they still die

[echo tiger]

That's not clapping a stego though. You're both dying for shaving of 80% of a stego's HP.

meanwhile you dont have 3 diets, he does and he'll heal back to full before you ever can.

If people somehow manage to die to a deino on completely dry land as a stego then there is some serious problems in that player's ability to play the game

[frozen kestrel]

no

[echo tiger]

It's the equivalent of the polygon journalist missing the jump in the tutorial level in cuphead.

[frozen kestrel]

im talking about 1 deino

[echo tiger]

But you're still going to die, you can never finish that guy as long as his ASS is in your face bro

And that guy is going to heal faster than you so theres no margin for a re-attempt.

[frozen kestrel]

not dry land

[echo tiger]

If the stego is literally swimming in the water or is not point his ass in the direction that you're coming from then yeah.

[frozen kestrel]

im talking about water

[frozen kestrel]

dont facetank stegos ass lmao

[echo tiger]

What.

You want stegos to just turn their face towards you?

[frozen kestrel]

you can go around them

[echo tiger]

GL at oasis buddy.

[frozen kestrel]

[echo tiger]

They're legit always at shallows, you cant fucking go around them when they're on the shallow parts

[frozen kestrel]

yk how to alt bite right?

just checking

[echo tiger]

Yeah but that doesn't change the fact that the stego is literally going to face his ass towards you and then thats it

DPS for DPS, stego will fucking annihlate you regardless of headshots

YOu need 2 alt bite headshots in order to EVEN CONSIDER the playing field even between deino and stego.

[frozen kestrel]

if you dont hit the head ur done

its pretty simple as deino

[echo tiger]

And even then, he can trade with you, walk away if he's low enough and heal

[frozen kestrel]

yeah

[echo tiger]

He will heal faster than you because you dont have full diet. and you're done.

[frozen kestrel]

?

just go back to the water lmao

[echo tiger]

And wait until the guy is fully healed and repeat the cycle again.

[frozen kestrel]

no

[echo tiger]

Clapping them btw.

[frozen kestrel]

you cant solo stego as deino

[echo tiger]

I never said you could. You cant fucking fight them as 2, let alone three.

[frozen kestrel]

its that simple, unless they miss a swing or two ur just going to die

[frozen kestrel]

you can

[echo tiger]

You cant.

[frozen kestrel]

as two

[echo tiger]

How. i'm curious as to what your thoughts on this

[frozen kestrel]

yeah, its skill issue if you die, unfortunately natural selection

[echo tiger]

Go on then, tell me what are you to do about a stego that's in shallow water.

Where you cant go anywhere, if you move too far you beach yourself and he gets 4 hits on your head for every 2 hits you get on his tail.

[frozen kestrel]

dont fight it

[echo tiger]

Brilliant.

[frozen kestrel]

pretty simple

[echo tiger]

Very interactive gameplay.

So three deinos can't fight it then?

[frozen kestrel]

also, i fought a friend 6 times at oasis, real fights, and it didnt matter where i was he still managed to do 80% of my hp but lost everytime

yes they can

[echo tiger]

But you just said dont fight it.

[frozen kestrel]

you dont have to

its your opinion

and choice

[echo tiger]

So what, i'm just forced into being stuck into a pond by stegos knee deep in their ankles?

[frozen kestrel]

sure

[echo tiger]

Because i cant retalliate in any meaningful way

[frozen kestrel]

if you have skill issue and cant fight stegos then yes i suppose you are trapped

[echo tiger]

So it's not a "clapping" match up then is it?

[frozen kestrel]

because two deinos, (who know how to play the game) can kill 1 stego with ease

[echo tiger]

But they just cant even if they know how to play the game.

It's not like you can fucking chase them. They have to be stupid as fuck to die to you.

[frozen kestrel]

then go back to the water

if they run

[echo tiger]

And then repeat the cycle again and again

[frozen kestrel]

no

[echo tiger]

Because you wont kill them unless they come back at half HP which players with half a brain wont let you do that to them.

Do you see what i'm getting at now?

[frozen kestrel]

no

[echo tiger]

It's not so much a issue with skill it's just the fact that stego is so fucking overpowered and has advantages that deino cannot have.

[frozen kestrel]

you still dont understand the average stego players skill level

is very low

[echo tiger]

I know the average stego IS NOT going to be fucking dumb enough to let you kill them.

[frozen kestrel]

ok

[echo tiger]

They have to be fucking hopelessly bad to do so

On EU1 i've only seen a stego die to a deino once, thats it

[frozen kestrel]

if two deinos get a stego down 80% hp i doubt it will try to attack them again

[echo tiger]

You have to be trolling right?

[frozen kestrel]

thats a fair question

[echo tiger]

What part of "they have 3 diets, they will heal all of your dmg back to full and they will come back and do the exact same thing because deinos are no threat to them" don't you understand?

Meanwhile you're stuck with half HP at best

[frozen kestrel]

the two deinos will be at like half hp

[echo tiger]

Meanwhile the stego has taken a quarter of it's HP since it wont let you hit it's head

It has to point its ass in your direction and you're done.

[frozen kestrel]

its not hard to hit a stegos head

[echo tiger]

In shallows?

[frozen kestrel]

yeah

[echo tiger]

It absolutely is hard to hit a stegos head.

[frozen kestrel]

no

[echo tiger]

Because again, his ass is at the water at all times

He wont let you get that free hit since most people aren't that astronomically stupid

Even if you were to leap out the water and get a bite off, he gets 5 tail swings and you're pretty much dead

[frozen kestrel]

i again ask, do you know how to alt bite?

[echo tiger]

What does that matter? you're not going to hit his head.

[frozen kestrel]

it takes more than 5 to the body

you will tho

[echo tiger]

You just wont....?

[frozen kestrel]

i dont understand how you cant grasp the concept of hitting a stegos head

[echo tiger]

He gets 5-6 tail swings by the time you even get to his face.

[frozen kestrel]

no

[echo tiger]

I dont understand how you dont get the concept of fucking the fact that his ass is at the water at all times.

[frozen kestrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/902339069076451368/934541286793445436/2022-01-22_12-12-53.mp4

all i got to say

[echo tiger]

Yeah well done, you got nothing out of it for your troubles other than hurting something that heals faster than you.

[frozen kestrel]

...

[echo tiger]

I dont see him dead do i?

[frozen kestrel]

i cant even

[echo tiger]

Hardly a clapping match up you cant even fucking kill him.

[frozen kestrel]

what if hypothetically, the stego DOESNT have all 3 diets

what then

[echo tiger]

He will, he's an adult.

[frozen kestrel]

no

[echo tiger]

In the rare circumstance he doesnt, it doesnt matter he has land, you dont have that advantage

are you going to go out of your way to chase him down?

[frozen kestrel]

have you even played stego?

[echo tiger]

Yes.

Have i bodied deinos? Yes.

[frozen kestrel]

ok

[tame jetty]

@solar salmon They better add that soon, driving me mad having to let everything im gonna hunt know what the game plan is HAHAH

[frozen kestrel]

how does that even make sense

did you see how injured the deino was in the vid?

[echo tiger]

Makes perfect sense to me, you've just lost a kill and you've lost a resource and you've hurt yourself doing it.

[frozen kestrel]

not very

[echo tiger]

You get nothing out of it so what was the point?

You hurt him. Good Job.

[frozen kestrel]

dude

[echo tiger]

Now he can walk away and heal.

[frozen kestrel]

the same goes to stegos

they get nothing out of camping water

[echo tiger]

Youre right, they dont.

But they still do it anyway, and they still score kills by the dozens.

If people were really bodying stegos as deino then how come it is such a pertinant issue for deino players the vast majority of the time? do you not think the volume of complaints would decrease if the match up was fair?

[frozen kestrel]

people arent

[echo tiger]

Yeah you're right they arent for the reasons i've already highlighted.

[frozen kestrel]

honestly whatever the devs do, there will always be someone complaining

[echo tiger]

Well yeah, they made an animal almost redundant with the map rework and they made stego virtually unkillable aside from getting smacked by another stego

[frozen kestrel]

its killable

[echo tiger]

How many deinos will you throw at the pyre?

[frozen kestrel]

2

and win

if the stego doesnt run, the deinos will win

[echo tiger]

But it's going to.

[frozen kestrel]

unless they have skill issue

[frozen kestrel]

that isnt a set fact

[echo tiger]

lol wat. You're telling me if you saw intense red around your screen you wouldn't run away?

[frozen kestrel]

some players wont run, if fact i would even say up to 50/50 wont run in the beggining against 2 deinos

[frozen kestrel]

some players dont

also you cant reliably tell ur hp from the outer screen

[echo tiger]

Thats just hardcore skill issue idk wtf kind of stegos you're facing off against.

[frozen kestrel]

thats my point

[echo tiger]

What server is this? if you dont mind me asking?

[frozen kestrel]

?

[echo tiger]

What server is this on.

[frozen kestrel]

The Isle

[echo tiger]

NA? EU? AU?

[frozen kestrel]

what does that matter?????

offtopic

[echo tiger]

It does matter, some servers have better players

[frozen kestrel]

thats not a given fact

[echo tiger]

It absolutely is

[frozen kestrel]

you cant be 100% sure about that without actual evidence

[echo tiger]

There might be the exceptions, but generally there are some servers that have better players.

[frozen kestrel]

no

it depends on the individual player, not the server as a whole

[echo tiger]

Predominantly some servers just have worse players, you're telling me an official server doesn't typically have better players than a community server with realism rules?

[frozen kestrel]

official players are sometimes the worst

[echo tiger]

But predominantly community owned servers have the worse players comparatively since the rules omit alot of the combat potential and scenario development

[frozen kestrel]

it matters the player, but someone who constantly plays only free grow servers, will have more skill as an INDIVIDUAL than someone who constantly plays official

[echo tiger]

That is true, i didn't think of the free grow servers

But if we're talking buck for buck, i'm sorry but from my personal experience the official servers offer the better players comparitively.

[frozen kestrel]

that would just be your experience

[echo tiger]

Yeah.

Eitherway, if you can take them on in the deep ass rivers and not go to oasis then it's fair game, but every deino i have seen go into oasis has become stego fodder.

And thats where i have to go because thats where the food is

[frozen kestrel]

in a 1v1, it changes almost nothing

you still lose as deino

[echo tiger]

Absolutely, and you should lose.

[frozen kestrel]

no

it should be an even matchup

they both take 5 hours to grow

the fight should be fair

[echo tiger]

If it were an even matchup you would be a crocrex back when update 3.5/3.25 just came out.

[frozen kestrel]

bruh

[echo tiger]

You would

[frozen kestrel]

im asking for it to be 50/50 not complete domination

[echo tiger]

It shouldn't be 50/50

[frozen kestrel]

it should tho

why shouldnt it

[echo tiger]

You've given your ground up by stepping onto land, you've put yourself in that disadvantageous position.

[frozen kestrel]

tell me

[echo tiger]

Deino's element is in the water, not on land.

[frozen kestrel]

it doesnt matter, land or water you still lose in a 1v1

[echo tiger]

I agree that deino should win in the water

[frozen kestrel]

it doesnt

thats the problem

[echo tiger]

I know it doesn't but i'm saying if you fought it in the water then you should be at an advantage