general-feedback-discussion

[tight oxide]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401481371249541120/931024927560183898/RealisticUtahraptortheIsle.png

a pack of those

[echo tiger]

gib

[tight oxide]

i really wouldnt mind if utah became more close to its irl counterpart

or you know a normal brawler of its tier

I mean a brawler utah vs pachy would be cool

instead of bite and pounce and dodge

[echo tiger]

Yeah i fucking hate it

why play utah when you can play carno and do everything and more that utah can do

with the exception of stego

[tight oxide]

I think devs should lean on more fun gameplay sometimes

[echo tiger]

I think devs should fucking play their game

and just look at it

[tight oxide]

oh they do and know its problems

[echo tiger]

It's a state.

[tight oxide]

they know the map sucks and thats it so far i seen them know

not sure if they knew ai bug from gameplay

[echo tiger]

just get rid of the large scale maps, nobody uses all the space anyway

[tight oxide]

it worked in legacy

[echo tiger]

It didn't everyone hung about near great falls, docks or twins

[tight oxide]

I think big maps work but you gotta let exploration be a thing without need water and food every few mins

and fix the dog darn ai!

[echo tiger]

Region 2 was probably the best map

[tight oxide]

didnt play back then

[echo tiger]

That was a tiny map, it was pretty cool with lots of intricate hotspots and shit

[tight oxide]

but

[echo tiger]

If they just focused on DEPTH instead of BIG for the sake of big it will work

[tight oxide]

i thought you said hotspots bad

[echo tiger]

If theres only one, yeah

[tight oxide]

hotspots

more than one

[echo tiger]

You got me

[tight oxide]

lol

[echo tiger]

mb WHOOPS

[tight oxide]

look v3 had enough spots so you didnt always go to one spot

[echo tiger]

nah i just dont really like the hotspots on that map, they're not interesting

[tight oxide]

and enough water so i can explore

[echo tiger]

ye ye it might just be my bias playing me here mate tbh

[tight oxide]

and ai was actually working I mean even if they were boring

[echo tiger]

Like the thing is

Thenyaw will always be the perfect map to me

[tight oxide]

thenyaw was so cool

[echo tiger]

You had volcano, canyon, great lake, trips, docks, facility

when it was first added anyway, i know they made some changes

[tight oxide]

Isla Spero

[echo tiger]

puke

[tight oxide]

no

it was good

[echo tiger]

wait waiit

thats update 2's map right?

The maps change so fucking often that it confuses me

[tight oxide]

nope

[icy lion]

We've never changed maps

[tight oxide]

Isla Spero is the cancelled map

[icy lion]

Spiro changed but it's still fundamentally the same

[tight oxide]

Isla Spero took too much server space or something

which is sad because it was really cool

and combine that with jace

[echo tiger]

Why cant they just make a map like the grim expanse

[tight oxide]

Isla Spero was the map in hope

[echo tiger]

i've not played it but it was a damn good map from what i've heard

[tight oxide]

eh

I think we just need more biomes

like snowy mountains

[echo tiger]

ye i like the idea of multi-biome

[tight oxide]

redwoods

redwoods would be so epic to hunt in as this guy https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401481371249541120/931024927560183898/RealisticUtahraptortheIsle.png

[echo tiger]

I want more euorpean shit, red woods; forests, open plains, alaska sorta shit

[tight oxide]

redwoods

[echo tiger]

that would be cool

[tight oxide]

from game

im a bit sad that utah and dilo wont be equal footing now

[limber hull]

how many times you gonna post this image i'm actually starting to hate it the more it's posted

[tight oxide]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401481371249541120/931024927560183898/RealisticUtahraptortheIsle.png

[limber hull]

also fuck going back to thenyaw style maps, best part about that map was the lava you could throw yourselves into

i now advocate for skinny utah

[tight oxide]

thenyaw was good

[limber hull]

simply because the same image is really boring

it was good, sure, but i found it also fucking boring besides the lava

[tight oxide]

you the reason why spino dont look like this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855535605178171422/868230326856601610/image0.jpg

[limber hull]

idk if you saw but i was literally advocating for a better spino model earlier lmao

[tight oxide]

it could get jace touch ups

[tight oxide]

explain why thicker utah bad

exactly...

[limber hull]

because that image annoys me

[tight oxide]

ok if i didnt spam it would you say its a good base for a utah remodel?

[limber hull]

i don't need a legitimate reason for my beliefs, i'm an islecord user

[tight oxide]

i mean

you kinda do... after all you are qa

[limber hull]

you'd like to believe that

but you see, i hold the cards of being a petty bitch

and i will use those cards as i see fit

[tight oxide]

ummm

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401481371249541120/931024927560183898/RealisticUtahraptortheIsle.png

[limber hull]

@dapper mirage

Also. Make the old update 3 growth times the growth times if a dinosaur has one diet. If it has two diets, give the dinosaur a 30% growth boost, and 3 diets gives a 50% growth boost

Hard disagree. I do not want to see sub 3 hour stego growth times, fuck that

[tight oxide]

#brawlerutah

[limber hull]

Oh wait, you literally made a system which punishes people for picking stego and teno for no reason

[tight oxide]

?

oooooh nvm

[dapper mirage]

wait so do you like or hate the diet system

[tight oxide]

i dont know update 3 growth times tbh

[limber hull]

I like the diet system

[dapper mirage]

wait so what did you mean by the stego/teno thing

[limber hull]

Update 3 growth times were 2x faster than existing growth times

[tight oxide]

its nice but too fast

[dapper mirage]

yea thats a good thing imo

[limber hull]

No

I always found update 3's growth times to be FAR too boringly easy

[dapper mirage]

people have lives outside the game, i just wanna get my adult and go crazy lol

[tight oxide]

how about bring it to update 3.75 growths times

[dapper mirage]

wasnt 3.75 the same as 3

[tight oxide]

nah that was when great nerf happened

growth got changed

[limber hull]

That's why the logout feature exists

[dapper mirage]

but even so it's just boring spending several sessions as a juvi

[limber hull]

I've never seen adult as something to get in one play session, especially if I'm playing an apex

[tight oxide]

juvies planned to actually be fun

[tight oxide]

man i guess i was pro at growing gigas huh

[dapper mirage]

since 2016 theyve been pushing this "only good players will make it to adult via hard work and dedication" thing and it's never really panned out well

[limber hull]

Then, as you said, improve juvi experience, don't make it non-existent

[tight oxide]

they're trying to fix that

wonder how they could even fix juvies tbh

[dapper mirage]

i didnt say make it non existant, just dont punish people for not having full diet at all times

[tight oxide]

like climbing utah i can see but

[dapper mirage]

thats what the current system does

[tight oxide]

but we gotta look for food...

cant be expected to always be 3 max...

[dapper mirage]

a system like this in any game should feel like a reward, not a "do this OR ELSE" with a gun to your head

[tight oxide]

tbh I 2 filled diet bars should be a normal growth with normal stats

while 3 bars give benefits

[dapper mirage]

but what counts as a "normal" growth anymore

they blurred the lines by making stego take 10 hours to grow on default

[tight oxide]

i guess 1 hour 15 mins for utah

and 5 hours stego

the normal

[barren zephyr]

yo @limber hull . I can't recall but since the latest patch in Evrima Weight=health right? so if I weight 2 tons, that means I have 2k health

[icy lion]

Yup

[barren zephyr]

okay thanks

[echo tiger]

Growth times should be way faster than what they are now, 2 hours for a carno is stupid

Or 140 minutes or whatever the fuck it is

[fickle raptor]

That gastrolith suggestion would be an awesome way to utilize areas like the north river gorge or the western stone arches.

[outer sphinx]

and these are way to long, there is a middleground to be found, diets system as it is rn its just punishment after punishment for a system that is hard to maintain

[limber hull]

I’d find it a reward if the diets required me to, you know, go places

If I’m occupied with travelling, I focus less on growth time

[outer sphinx]

there is no reward when all it is just beat your ass to get 3 nutrients just to get slightly better u3 growth

i've said it before but perfect diet should be much faster than u3 with 2 beeing base and 1 slower, and 0 make it as punishing as you want

also, dont make juvies start with nothing!

[limber hull]

I like it personally, I always was concerned the diet system would reduce the U3 growth times, so I was actually relieved when the growth times were universally increased. Also a stego should not be able to be grown in any less than 4 hours imho

[outer sphinx]

i was thinking 4h for stego and deino particulary, so perfect diet would be a 20% decrease, 2 is base and 1 is like 30-40% longer, 0 is like it is rn

that way the people that choose the engage with the system feel like it was worth smth, especially with diets once they get spread troughout the map will be harder, or you can stay at 2 and have the same experience as before since 2 is much easier to achieve, 1 is good starting point, no debufs except for growth, and 0 you cant even be bothered to get 1 nutrient so you get punished

games, especially ones like this have to respect the time of their players which rn it doesnt

rn you dont have an option, unless you waste your time trying to go for 3 you get punished, you either get kicked in the throat or you get what should be the middleground

[paper oriole]

This dude really wants deino to get sick from cannibalism

Making it so cannibalism gives no food at all can also just screw over people who are actually starving who should be able to at least save themselves even with a penalty

And he's insane if he thinks that’ll cut down KFS by any considerable degree

[outer sphinx]

i like how te talks about carno beeing irl canibal nut no deino...

[paper oriole]

Crocodilians: literally eating each others kids all the time
This guy: “cannibalism shouldn’t give deino any food at all”

And also on that subject, deino is in such a bad spot right now, cannibalism is often the only food source aside from useless fish

Also pretty sure there was evidence of utahraptor cannibalism irl, as well as rex cannibalism and allo cannibalism and others so if he wanted to exclude ‘irl cannibals’ as he says, he'd just be removing penalties from so many dinos and contradict his own suggestion

Idk i aint in the mood to dig up articles

You can find that shit your self

I read the utahraptor article like 2 damn years ago

[echo tiger]

bruh

citation needed in this chat rn

[paper oriole]

2 years? Doubt, but you're free to check if you care lol

Funniest shit is you brought deino up

Use your brain, gators are cannibals. Cope

Bruh lmao

Just google cannibalism in crocodiles or alligators

[outer sphinx]

where is the proof that the earth is round? logic and observation, thats where

same for canibalism is crocodiles and aligators

[paper oriole]

Cannibalizing juveniles isn’t uncommon, sometimes bulls will even cannibalize rivals

[outer sphinx]

fuck, even rabbits technically canibalize

[echo tiger]

Cannibalism is fun.

Especially when people get ass mad in chat. Thats the funniest shit

[paper oriole]

You made your own suggestion to add to what the devs have, that is what is being criticized

Also im still gonna kfs when i feel like it and just not eat the body, as i already do

If herbis still sport kill when they cant eat meat at all, what makes you think carnis wont do the same exact thing

[outer sphinx]

that happens much less with the lack of global

[echo tiger]

Oh god but when it happens french kiss

[paper oriole]

I miss the shit talk in global from the juvies i killed in legacy after they 2 called me

They dont waste their time, killing is fun

The hunt or fight is where the enjoyment comes from

[echo tiger]

You're a toxic piece of shit bro, why the fuck are you cannibaloiding.

[outer sphinx]

thats what sport killing is, killing for the sake of it, that you get food from it or not doesnt matter

[paper oriole]

“Admins theirs a canbinal!!!”

[echo tiger]

People can do whatever they want, you shouldn't police player control with arbitrary gameplay mechanics.

[paper oriole]

Ive gotten racial slurs a few times from people too

[echo tiger]

Oh god just yesterday i had a guy call me a slut cause my friend rammed him as a carno and we ate him

[paper oriole]

If you want no cannibals just go to a cringe unofficial server with 10 pages of realism rules

[paper oriole]

Epic

If somebody is literally starving and have to cannibalize as a last resort they should be able to

We already have cannibalism debuffs

[echo tiger]

TEMPORARY INSANITY

[outer sphinx]

canibalism is a last resort, and the plethora of debuffs shows that

[echo tiger]

its alright man we make mistakes all the time, like suggesting alberto is the next carni or something, who could've done that.

[paper oriole]

Its stupid to just start puking after committing a little cannibalism as a damn reptile. Thats so artificial

[echo tiger]

These aren't humans, these are reptiles and birds tho

[paper oriole]

3,413N

[echo tiger]

[paper oriole]

Human meat aint that bad

Also youre using manmals?

[outer sphinx]

umm... we are not designed to canibalise for one...

[paper oriole]

Mammals are different from birds/reptiles

[echo tiger]

How do we know?

They've been dead for over 65 million years

That are purely speculation, we can never know how these animals lived.

[paper oriole]

A lion might not want to eat another lion, but chickens will gladly eat their pal's liver

[echo tiger]

i'll eat your heart man.

[paper oriole]

Finger licking good

[echo tiger]

chunkin chimbkin

[paper oriole]

I didnt say it should be a part of their diet

[outer sphinx]

we really have stuff like huge numbers of individuals hat could sign to canibalization, like alberto and allo, carno, and deino and other reptiles are just clear options, but outside of stuff like this we cant really tell what they ate

[echo tiger]

Using fucking IRL shit to balance a game is fucking dumb, just let players do whatever they want man.

[paper oriole]

I was saying by YOUR logic a lot of animals would have penalties lifted due to evidence of cannibalism

[echo tiger]

If i want to pile drive something as a carno and kill it for sport or eat it or cannibalize, it should be within my right to do so

[paper oriole]

So to you, there is no inbetween of “in its diet” and “makes you throw up”

[outer sphinx]

genereally its very plausbile that most carni dinos canibalised in specific situations

[paper oriole]

And? It wont solve anything

People kill to kill

[outer sphinx]

yes

[paper oriole]

Just because i get a debuff from eating other utahs didnt stop me from pouncing 4 of them and leaving the bodies a few playthroughs ago

[echo tiger]

Mate we've just said that there will be people killing shit for sport, i do it and my friends do it since its fun. PVP is the only thing this game has going for it atm and it has bare bones survival mechanics that are poorly implemented.

[outer sphinx]

rn combat is the only thing the game has to offer, exploration woul be the other one but you cant do that not like theres worth in it either, and nersting/ perks and elders arent in the game yet

[paper oriole]

Just because i get a debuff from cannibalism didnt stop me from stabbing fellow pteras and dropping their bodies in to the ocean

Like

What are you fixing

[outer sphinx]

thats the intent, but the game doesnt support that right now

so combat is the only thing you can do

[paper oriole]

How would it make the game more fun? Youre still getting KFSed

[echo tiger]

Again, just let players do whatever players want.

[paper oriole]

It makes no difference once you are dead if your assailant is eating your remains or not

[echo tiger]

Like theres no point in trying to police player behaviour, thats kinda what they tried to do with carni diets and look at how it turned out.

[outer sphinx]

well, thats sandbox really, survival will have its own integrated rules

[paper oriole]

Because they could

If they couldnt they would have just killed you and left the body

People kill for fun, if they get food out if it too then its just a bonus

[echo tiger]

I mean of course but for now, the players shouldn't be locked into one avenue of play or one way to approach a problem; thats why i despised the idea of diets so much since it's inception really

[echo tiger]

FUCK i forgot to reply

[paper oriole]

Okay? So people just kill their own kind for fun then

[outer sphinx]

nah i got that you where replying to me np

[paper oriole]

The fun is a bonus in itself

So what is the idea here? You claimed this would make the game more enjoyable for carnivores, but what is the difference? Do you feel better that the guy that KFSed you will leave your body behind rather than eating it? Does that make things any different?

You still died for sport

[echo tiger]

GL scavenging it when theres body campers and other carnivores there

[paper oriole]

Sometimes but often a body just despawns

[echo tiger]

which they most likely will be if its in a populated zone

Bodies do despawn

[outer sphinx]

well yea, thats why they said they want to bring sandbox to the game sooner than later, rn what we have is a bastardization of sandbox and survial and it cant fulfill either, we deeply need sandbox to come asap, since these 2 gamemodes are clear who they are targeting, survival with its integrated rules and sanbox with you figure it out lol

[paper oriole]

If youre at the cancerous oasis hotspot your uneaten body will likely be used as bait by pachies or something

[echo tiger]

i fucking hate that dino.

I cannot stand it atm, its just everywhere

[paper oriole]

Oasis was a mistake tbh it houses 90% of the toxic behaviour from mix packing to body guarding i just avoid it alltogether and i never run in to bodyguarding at least

What ever killed you for sport was probably just bored and killing things is fun

[echo tiger]

Oh i'm pretty much locked there, its impossible to play carno without that spot since your hunger drains so fast you have to stay there

Thats prolly where im getting my experiences from

[paper oriole]

Somehow i get lucky with boars away from oasis

[echo tiger]

BRUH

i can't fucking find shit for boars anywhere, its just pachys

I charge them and two tap them and they die

[paper oriole]

lol i guess im a pig magnet

[echo tiger]

wewlad

Wish i had your luck with AI tbh, the same toxic shit is really grating on me

[paper oriole]

Last several times i played utah on officials i ran in to boars a lot

Usually in the south and west parts of the map

Its in earshot of oasis but pachies don’t usually travel away from their ghetto in groups

[echo tiger]

When they do i just ram them and be done with it

[paper oriole]

Even when i grew a pachy myself a couple days ago i saw like 3 boars and a turtle

[echo tiger]

ye

[candid copper]

[limber hull]

you know what else would solve cannibalism

larger roster of animals

more animals = less duplicates = less reason or incentive to cannibalise

[outer sphinx]

AI that actually spawns

[limber hull]

if dryo and hypsi actually were finished, I guarantee cannibalism would drop if people picked those animals up

[outer sphinx]

same, small to mid tiers are my fav overall

with few exceptions like rhino

[limber hull]

i literally would pick up hypsi in a heartbeat if it could climb around in the trees

[outer sphinx]

i just want to see what happens when you spit on a herra that is in a tree

if it falls...

[limber hull]

please make it fall

that'd be fucking hilarious

[outer sphinx]

spit does need a rework in how you do it bc rn its just useless

[limber hull]

true

make it a cone or some shit

[echo tiger]

Could maybe make spit be dependent on how long you hold it, so you can like shotgun something that gets too close but it uses alot of food to do or something like that

idk, just some food for thought

[outer sphinx]

could just be:
tap- shotgun
hold-sniper

in general i feel like each special ability should have to variations, one for holding and one for taping

[echo tiger]

I know its unrealistic as well, but having a prehensile tail for hypsi might be good, it'll defo keep Herrera on its toes

[outer sphinx]

that trick works bc those are animals, these are humans

[limber hull]

tragic

unfortuantly

we aren't exactly tech support lmao

[outer sphinx]

there is #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧

[languid cairn]

@latent olive
The thing that Styraco does is function as a Mid Tier animal that punches up, capable of scaring things with a 2 Foot Fuck Off Horn it can plant firmly in whatever it faces. Think Stego's Tail, but head on and applied directly to whatever bothers.

In short, Styraco exist to be a better Diablo-or more appropriately-stop Dibble from being a generalist with bloated stats that's threatening to everything. So while it's getting a downsize, Styraco is taking over as thr Ceratopsian that scares Allos, Albertos, Suchos, etc. At the same time, Styraco isn't nearly as terrifying to smaller creatures like Utah and Dilo that Diablo is built to handle.

This is, by far, healthier for the game's ecosystem with there being a choice between two different niches instead of one over arching Potato with its horns in every jar (excluding the extreme polar ends where Trike and Ava sit).

[barren zephyr]

tboa sucks, lizard frog is where its at

[hidden pilot]

@lament pecan
Do you guys not understand that Isla Spyro/Evrima isn't even a 3rd done yet?

[barren zephyr]

Spiro

[warm cosmos]

Paleo it's amusing you think that is will be done

game going to be shelved for another '2 years' as it's community servers that fuel the game, and no tools to support them. It was community servers that KEPT this game alive in legacy.

[barren zephyr]

Well Legacy was also ass in general

[brittle stirrup]

legacy was also never finished

[honest sparrow]

So what you’re saying is that styraco exists to just be stronger dibble? Kinda lame tbh

[languid cairn]

shrug no more lame than any other similar creatures separated by their tiers

[honest sparrow]

I mean I guess, but like sucho doesn’t exist only for bary to “not kill larger stuff” lmao

[languid cairn]

If that's the only thing you take from it than sure

[honest sparrow]

There is no real separate niche between styraco and dibble, or at least from what you described, they are still both middle of the road ceratopsians that can kill slightly different things due to a size difference

[languid cairn]

That's the separatation. One has a focus to counter smaller and the other a focus of to counter bigger. Works even better considering that Dibble was supposedly getting a down size.

[honest sparrow]

But they’re both focused on killing the exact same things, it’s just one is slightly better at a matchup than the other, like an allo isn’t just going to ignore dibble horns perfectly positioned to stab it in the heart, and a utah isn’t going to necessarily have a better time against a larger dibble, a playable niche and playstyle shouldn’t be defined by what it can kill, it’s about actually being distinct rather than a slight stat variation

[outer sphinx]

the thing is bary compared to sucho can actually swim and is fast on land

sucho is closer to spino, except that spino can swim

[honest sparrow]

That was my point

[outer sphinx]

ah, nvm then

rn there are only 2 animals/pairings that are not needed, dible styraco and plateo and basically everything else in its size

and ava... kinda

[languid cairn]

No, they are not.

Dibble is focused on killing Utah, Dilo, Rugops, and Bary.

Styraco is focused on killing Allo, Alberto, Sucho, and Acro.

Many of our playables going forward are going to find their niches based on what they can and can't kill, that's one pressure that effects how they act.

[outer sphinx]

the more i looked at the roster, the more it was evident that except acro, carnis dont really overlap like at all on one another, herbis do that much more

[honest sparrow]

If they play the exact same then why not just scrap dibble or styraco and make them just do both, there’s no real point

Also styraco killing sucho lmao

[outer sphinx]

styraco is essentially just dible but bigger, unless they really find a good way to separate them they server the same role, mid herbis that deal with mid herbis and second best to them (higher or lower)

[honest sparrow]

And this isn’t even counting shit like kentro and teno

[outer sphinx]

wdym?

teno has nothing with spikes so hes out, also semi aquatic, but kentro curious what you mean

[honest sparrow]

Teno and kentro fill a somewhat similar role if herbis that fuck things in that general size range (teno being somewhat equivalent to dibble and kentro to styraco)

[languid cairn]

As said in the first post: a generalist that does everything is not healthy. That's why having two similar playables in separate size ranges is a good response. It give one playable the needed nerf without removing one of the niches.

[outer sphinx]

def not, not only is it a semi aquatic, but also its a brawler with huge versatility, kentro is a fast agile stego that is hard to attack or punish, porcupine basically, dibble is just a ceratopsian in this categ that styraco would do the same just bigger

also dont generalize that much the characters

[outer sphinx]

ye its good if the gameplay varies even a bit, but for styraco and dibble size is the only diferentiator as of right now, also just beeing of dif sizes works, when the dif is greater thna just 1 tier higher, like with kentro and stego, kentro is on almost the lowest categ while stego is a fully fledged apex

[languid cairn]

Now this I can get, but, we are already getting a lot of creatures that follow the same formula. Homa-Pachy, Alberto-Rex, for quick examples.

This is why I'm focusing on their match ups being different so that they behave differently and other playables behave differently towards them. The size tiers are just an explanation for it, we could flip a coin and get a game where Diablo is upsized and we trade Styraco for Ava&Proto.

Now, I wouldn't put them in at the same time, but, I'd have them both in eventually.

[outer sphinx]

homa pachy yes, forgot about them, tho alberto is nothing like rex, one is fast the other just powerwalks, they are literally limited in what they can hunt, alberto cnat hunt stuff that is that strong and durable but rex can while rex cant hunt stuff that isnt trike stego or anky basically

[languid cairn]

You pretty much nailed what I was getting at with Devil Potato and Lance Potato. Their focus, things they fight, things they run from, things that both parties effectively end in MAD. If Dibble is nerfed, it's not going to have the same impact it did in Legacy, but, something else can take the other half of the original playstyle.

[outer sphinx]

tho dibble is for one a herbi, also he's not locked into ti bc like for rex and alberto which just cnat support the playstyle of the other, dibble has none of that with styraco, both are decent speed and agility for a ceratopsian, both use impaling, unlike proto and rhino which use raw damage or fractures, same is for homalo and pachy, only thing homalo has dif is burrows which look to be very basic compared to other burrowers so this dif is small to insignificant, so the only dif is just size/ stats, imo homalo and dibble should just be scraped and allow juvie pachys do burrow like homalo in a basic way, and make styraco just a bit more agile

[keen basin]

https://64.media.tumblr.com/31c26dbe36393889164a03a52c9f88f3/tumblr_pd0sxncUoh1wl9lfso1_1280.png

What do y’all think of this design? I found it randomly lol i quite like it

[languid cairn]

Herbi, Carno, not really much of a difference if you ask me. I mentioned Alberto and Rex on the off chance they both end up as ambushers instead of letting the former become a pursuiter, but there're other cases like Acro and Giga. For me, you can just make it so that Dibble's Impale loses its value-or ability-against larger creatures. I'd sooner remove Ava before Diablo.

[languid cairn]

What is it supposed to be?

[paper oriole]

feathered utah obvs

[keen basin]

Yeah

[paper oriole]

better than our current gremlin raptor

[languid cairn]

Very bird

[keen basin]

So true

Yes it is very bird, as it should be lol

They were just giant ground hawks so…

[paper oriole]

i like utah's playstyle but i hate listening to and looking at it, pure jp ripoff

[outer sphinx]

of def ava before dibble but dibble really needs smth about it bc for all we know rn its just a weaker styraco, same for homalo, plateo and acro, they are just filler

[keen basin]

Mhm

[languid cairn]

Make it Yeet Utahs

Physically throw them

[keen basin]

Lol

[paper oriole]

while diablo may just be a worse styraco, plateo at least could be unique

add myboi marine iguana plateo

[keen basin]

Lol I like that

[outer sphinx]

one thing that just came to my mind is make dibble a pary animal, uses its horns/ crest to block attacks and pary them, kinda moving them in a dif position etc, so styraco is more like a lance, phalanx and dible like a rapier if we think in terms of weapons

[outer sphinx]

rn, plateo is garbage but has room for improovement

[paper oriole]

the isle's database plateo is a scrappy quad abomination

looks ike worse tenonto

i think coastal plateo would be cool. also styraco can also be anti-pounce due to his frill spikes

[outer sphinx]

a shit magy x teno

[paper oriole]

tbh plateo looks like a better magy and a worse tenonto

as it is now

[outer sphinx]

that'd make coasts have a herbi larger than proto, and quetz would be the carni there, well alos there

[paper oriole]

coastal bary and coastal plateo. i wannit

coast and mangroves

[outer sphinx]

kinda... like it looks like magy but heavier but then prob wont be a brawler like teno

[outer sphinx]

and to the spikes for styraco, could just be when you pounce the head from an angle you get impaled in them, so one more angle outside of just forward where you cant pounce

[paper oriole]

i had a bit of a stretch of an idea for plateo where he could be the sole venomous herbivore, using defensive venom from his large claws which would work like those on a male platypus. the venom would affect stamina and oxygen, perhaps causing stamina consumption to also drain oxygen which could force predators out of the water

but i know it aint ever gonna happen lol

marine iguana plateopus will remain only in my dreams

[outer sphinx]

anywho, what do you think to make dibble a pary based animal, he's special attacks allows him to counter an attack by applying some damage but mostly just moving them around (think like when you fight you can grab someone and just toss them around) so dibble keeps the fight going, so if you cant do endurance then you better live while you can, while styraco punishes hard with a quick jab of huge damage, and for utah bc ceratopsians are n1 on utahgs list, dibble would be like an even fight for like 3-4 utahs, as it likes to drag out fights same as utah, while styraco doesnt like long fights but when it uses it alt it covers it respective flank fully bc of the spikes on its frill so baiting the alt is needed but almost certain casualty unlike dibble where a good pack can have no casualties

[paper oriole]

yeah i could see diablo being a good parry+counterattack fighter

[outer sphinx]

so ensentially dibble is the rapier of ceraotpsians while styraco is the lance of them

[paper oriole]

styraco would probably punch up quite a lot with that big ass sword on its face

devastating damage but a bit harder to maneuver than diablo

[outer sphinx]

looking at its horns it just screams for me good counterattacker, he may not be fatal but if you arent good for long fights he will punish that

[paper oriole]

diablo could probably stack bleed pretty fast with those little jambiyas on its face

[outer sphinx]

like imo make his alt slower, like you know how horses turn on the hind legs, make styraco do the same but when he does he coveres the whole flank so a pounce is a death wishm while dibble has a faster alt bit less effective by a long shot

and trike, well trike is just a wall with spikes

[paper oriole]

trike looks like something you should ambush or you'd regret it

which is perfect for rex if he still holds that niche as apex ambusher

[outer sphinx]

well ambusher for stego trike and ankybc it aint cathing anything else unless they are afk

[paper oriole]

that is rex's specialty though isn't it, the dangerous armored animals

who all seem to also be pretty sluggish themselves

[outer sphinx]

yep

tho i am more excited for rhino, and def not bc its my fav herbi

[paper oriole]

also does the dude who wanted third person for humans realize that the 1st person horror experience is the whole point

you can be too aware with 3rd person, wrecks all the jumpscares

[outer sphinx]

thats the whole point, that i can terrorise them with utah at night

[paper oriole]

yeah the whole point is they can turn around with a raptor in their face like "AH!" ya know

to constantly be looking over your shoulder every time you hear a noise

[outer sphinx]

insert that reposted clip

[paper oriole]

yes the prime merc gameplay clip

[outer sphinx]

so hey, heard they added mercs to the game, how are they
show clip
ahhh

[barren zephyr]

I feel like they should remove styraco and just make diablo the bleeder ceratopsian

by the looks of it, styraco is just large diablo

[outer sphinx]

or dibble is just a small styraco...

[barren zephyr]

and if I had to choose one it would be diablo any day

pretty much

[outer sphinx]

but anyway, read what i said above about what could be done about the 2 of them, want thoughts

[barren zephyr]

Parry punisher diablo? Hell yeah

[outer sphinx]

and the styraco idea?

what do you think of that?

[barren zephyr]

I like it, however styraco as an animal?

I’m not entirely sure

just too attached to diablo

small angry midget demon

[outer sphinx]

styraco seems like a good dirextional and slow flank guarder

you mess up he punishes you with a swift death, or when he alts he coveres his whole flank in a semi slow animation so the other flank is very much open

[robust rivet]

@cerulean grail The Tyrannosaurus rex had a bite force of 8000 pounds, crocodile had one of 23,000

[cerulean grail]

Blue whale?

[robust rivet]

The blue whale is not an active predator though

It is a filter feeder

[cerulean grail]

We're talking about bite force.

It can still bite something without swallowing it.

[robust rivet]

Considering we were talking about dinosaurs and such, let me rephrase what I said then since you want to be technical, it has the strongest bite force of any active predator except predator X

Realistically it would have no problem eating anything or killing anything in evrima

[cerulean grail]

Blue whales do technically hunt and are therefor predators.

[robust rivet]

They also didn’t exist back then

[cerulean grail]

Neither did crocodiles.

Lmao.

[paper oriole]

Uh yeah they did lmao

[robust rivet]

🤣🤣

[cerulean grail]

Not the modern kind.

[robust rivet]

They were around before the dinosaurs and are still here

[cerulean grail]

THey were different.

[paper oriole]

Crocodiles were around with the dinosaurs, deinosuchus was

[cerulean grail]

I know they didn't evolve much.

[paper oriole]

Deinosuchus was around with the dinosaurs and it is the relevant crocodilian here

[cerulean grail]

Still technically different.

Reletives are not the same.

[robust rivet]

Deinosuchus, sarcosuchus and a bunch of other ones which all modern day crocodilians are based off of were around

Yes but the game is set back then

[cerulean grail]

Imagen I said that I am David my cousin as we are reletives.

[paper oriole]

???

[cerulean grail]

ffs

[paper oriole]

The feedbaxk was about deinosuchus

[cerulean grail]

And Trexs and crocodiles apparently.

[robust rivet]

Also it is theorized that they could hold their breath for longer than modern day crocodiles

[paper oriole]

He was only comparing t rex and deinosuchus

[cerulean grail]

Bite force though man ffs.

[cerulean grail]

He mentions 3 separate animals.

[robust rivet]

I think you missed the entire point of what my feedback was

[cerulean grail]

Blue whale.

[paper oriole]

Deinosuchus should be able to hold his breath longer, his bite should get some level of fracture to reflect its high bite force, and terrestrials should have their weight value lowered while swimming

[robust rivet]

Deinosuchus was a crocodilian ergo I called it a crocodile, while technically it is more closely related to an alligator than a crocodile

[cerulean grail]

Blue whale

[cerulean grail]

Blue whale.

[paper oriole]

Are you drunk or something?

[robust rivet]

Troll

[cerulean grail]

Elahw eulb

[tight oxide]

gator...

[solid wedge]

Im sure that are going to raise the oxygen a bit, and in the "observation log" of Deino, it said its bite force was only second to t rex (not true though), which at least mean the plan on upping its biting power

[robust rivet]

Well that’ll definitely be nice, now if I can only get it to be as playable as it was prior to update 4

[stray holly]

Bro who tf deleted my post

@icy lion was that you

[icy lion]

Yes, I was getting around to notifying you, my bad for not doing it sooner. Your post was neither feedback nor a suggestion, which is the criteria for #general-feedback as stated in the description and pinned messages.

[stray holly]

Ok. I made a post with feedback in it.

I don’t think it’s a glitch man.

[icy lion]

Neither of these messages contain feedback or a suggestion. You experienced something weird or unexpected, and the best place for that would be #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞.

[fathom spire]

@keen bough put responses here not in general feedback lol

[lavish quail]

Utah players after killing a croc to get their dietary needs

[hidden pilot]

@The Gumby
Your really complaining about the map this early on? Once its closer to complete, sure, but dont judge it now

Why didnt the @ work? Huh

[echo tiger]

WDYM this map early on, its been fucking 2 years with pretty much the same map?

[outer sphinx]

the map got a huge rework with u3, plus before evrima was launched they where working on a whole dif map (spero) and this one was rushed in

[echo tiger]

A rework which is pretty shit, even back then. I know that spero was fucked, sure and i'll give them that; but it doesn't change the fact the map is complete dogshit. It doesn't even matter that Jace put attention to it which the map looks stunning, its just a bore to play in. Pre-U3 before that fucking shitty crocodile was added, you had a better map in all levels aside from looks which im fine with, atleast it was interesting to hide in the reeds at swamp and make plays through terrain since the avenues it offered you as a player were more broad and diverse.

The massive map philosophy doesn't work especially if they can barely get the servers working without being the lag-fest that was EVRIMA on update 1 with 150 people running around, desyncing and teleporting like they're fucking JoJo characters.

[outer sphinx]

the map is shit, nothing changes that, but looking at how we got here its prob very likely the map is gonna get scrapped one they finish the new maps

[echo tiger]

Ye for sure, heres hoping.

I still think just dividing the map into four corners, or in half with one big river similar to the one in V3 just before great falls is a good avenue for deino players, without them completely fucking the map in order to have them even be viable in terms of playability. With smaller and more shallower rivers for smaller deinos and not shit aquatics to hang out, It'll also make the fully marine playables (god knows if they're still coming) like krono and mosa have room for interesting interactions with the semi-aquatics.

[outer sphinx]

i have an idea of how the map issue could be done but it would need more servers (tho maybe once legacy is closed there are the servers)

[tight oxide]

question

what stopped ppl from swimming far off into v3 oceans

[deft linden]

I don't think there was anything to stop them. Just that there is nothing out there and that they would die

[tight oxide]

so how come evrima wont do that

heck even make it so we sink when we swim to far as something

the border kinda breaks immersion

[deft linden]

Or maybe just put the Border out far into the ocean

[tight oxide]

eh

then ptera could go

and rn I dont think utahs can drown alone

so if you were really patient..

[deft linden]

Well yeah they could go but there's just nothing out there

[tight oxide]

I think it would work best with the legacy way

I mean we never know if oceans will get stuff added to them

[deft linden]

That's fair enough! To be fair I never managed to get to any sort of barrier out in the ocean in Legacy but then I never really tried

[tight oxide]

yea

it somehow... was smart of the devs

I even had a chance to try back with the hypo servers

and hypo spino could swim forver

[deft linden]

Oh God LOL

[pure quiver]

Deino lowers it's back when still, iirc

[stark dust]

I am glad I am not the only one suffering from this

[paper oriole]

spawn locations really have nothing to do with the population density at oasis. oasis is easy to get to from any spawn point, the issue is food distribution

[tight oxide]

What if we had more hotspots

just

less chances of finding your food

[paper oriole]

personally would prefer herbivore food to have relatively even spawning nodes around its biome as opposed to clusters aside from perhaps an area intended to be a nesting ground

same with ai spawns, the southeast is pretty barren on ai spawn points but the southwest has a ton of spawn points, when a server restarts theres like 10 boars in the southwest and one deer and a handful of frogs in the southeast

[limber hull]

I would personally like it if certain foods only spawned in certain corners of the map. As in, centre has an abundance of a certain kind of food, whereas west has an abundance of another and so on.

Actually, no I phrased that wrong

[paper oriole]

that makes things in to a boring walking simulator that forces people in to specific regions rather than an engaging system that encourages people in to specific biomes which they can still explore without being punished

if i had to travel to a specific region for one diet food, then ping pong between two other regions it becomes annoying

[limber hull]

Food should be spread out, but only one area should be abundant in a food type and some areas can straight up be missing food types, so it's always possible to have 2 nutrients in a specific area, but three nutrients requires movement, and you'll need to be competitive for the food type that isn't abundant in said area

[paper oriole]

if herbivores had better diet setups with more diversity i could see putting foods in specific regions for choice but walk in a triangle simulator is boring as fuck

[limber hull]

West plains should have an abundance of one stego food, a small amount of another and zero of the last, but you could go to north plains and find an abundance of the meal that you need

[paper oriole]

forcing people in to specific locations rather than letting them enjoy their whole preferred biome is a chore

[limber hull]

Abundance means you can live comfortably, scarcity requires competition between other herbis, and the missing diet option requires migration

You should be allowed to vibe in a single preferred biome without suffering poor diet, however, I'd like to see more competition and migration in play, without forcing people to be travelling the entire map for a single food for 3 different foods

I'd like migration to be present, but not to a point where it's ALL the herbivore can do

competition and hanging out in a preferred locale should be allowed, but you should only have a good diet for doing so, not a perfect one

Perfect diet should include all of what a herbi should be doing. Migrating, finding a good place to nest or call home, competing with other herbis for food, searching for food which is more difficult to locate, so on. Rather than just sitting at pond and killing carnis, have these herbis get out and do things, or find an area they wish to control

In this ideal scenario, good diets having a significantly better growth speed would be ideal, as you are now actually doing more than walking in a triangle around oasis, you're actually engaging with the systems and living your life with a higher risk than simply sitting in a bush and your continued survival should be rewarded

[tepid river]

I agree. Areas where herbies can get their perfect diet and sustain it for long periods of time need to be much more spread out but at the same time, have more of their food across the map and in patches like that. The biggest issue right now with playing herbivores is there's just nothing at all to do- you spawn, go to center, find a herd and that's it really, you're pretty much set.

Having to migrate and find particular areas you can survive has always been a part of the isle, even in legacy, you'd go to specific areas because they increased your odds and once the carnivores came you either got out of there for the next spot or youd stay to fight. Having to migrate and take a chance on the odds of staying and potentially dying/losing your diet or moving and finding an area is already depleted or taken by another herd would add a lot more to do

I worded it weird- perfect diet areas need to be small, but very spread out on the map is what i mean, spots to get good diet more frequent

[limber hull]

I personally think that the "perfect diet hotspot" shouldn't exist. Encourage players to move around and get what they need from braving dangerous environments, walking through dense forests or crossing deep rivers to get to where they need to go, as well as fight off any other herbis who might be looking at a meal that's rather scarce in the area you both are looking for something to eat

[warm flame]

yeah that's the exact reason why the diet system was initially added, or so I thought before they made oasis a hotspot for basically everything

[tepid river]

I think having a few, at the most 3 of them, would be good for competition though, but making them very small and not able to sustain very many herbivores at a time could cause some good conflicts between the herbivores, especially as we get more of them that will be eating the same foods as each other

At the most the size of the pond itself, very tiny, so only the lucky or most aggressive herbivores can actually get any

[limber hull]

I still want the abundant, scarce, unobtainable system, where each specific area of the map has diets designed to give an animal one nutrient food in high amounts, one in small and one in another area, and these change depending on where you go. Scarce foods would become a source of contest, or animals not bothered to seek them out and fight for them could simply migrate elsewhere to where such a food is abundant. Abundant foods would not need to be fought over as they'd be essentially everywhere and in easy reach of all herbivores, which allows for peace rather than constant combat to get but a nibble of a desired food

[warm flame]

there shouldn't be any hotspots, the diet system is meant to encourage players moving around for their foods, if herbivores are staying in one spot with all their food, the carnivores won't go either

and having 3 hotspots will spread people out more sure but not in the way intended, and even then there's still a chance that people will just pick one to stay at

[tight oxide]

How do they go about it while making map look cool?

[warm flame]

the isle? have a cool map?

embed fail

[manic flint]

The problem with oasis is that almost every animal has its diet food there
They should be evenly spread per biome
It should be exciting or scary to run into another animal, not expected because you went to one spot of the map

[warm flame]

but not exciting to the point that you basically never see them

[paper oriole]

hotspots also just create camping grounds, carnivores camp there for herbis and then herbis camp there to troll because theyre bored

[manic flint]

Yea

[limber hull]

Also, I didn't even bring this up, but food scarcity also prevents megaherds from forming nearly as well, and generally, more stegos = less of the scarce food, so herds would migrate away in order to find a locale with a less present stego population where they can get their desired food without constantly needing to compete

[paper oriole]

forcing people to walk between hot spots also just becomes boring and makes afk more optimal to the fetch quest system

[warm flame]

I saw a video recently of someone playing as teno and while juvi they started to fight another juvi teno for an agave, they stopped and parted wats because the agave despawned but still THAT kind of interaction is the interaction we should be getting

[manic flint]

So you mean have one food scarce in an area and overpopulation means they can only get 1 diet food from the area so they gotta leave to have at least 2 filled
If I'm understanding correctly

[paper oriole]

making specific regions of the map house certain preferred foods, despite those foods having set biomes already, just artificially pushes conflict from both sides

[limber hull]

You have one abundant food source and one scarce food source for your diet type

So you will never be outright given a horrid diet for staying where you need to stay

[tight oxide]

We all know that even the devs

[limber hull]

If you're in plains as a plains animal, you're not getting punished

The scarce food means that if you have successfully created an area with little contest, you can survive well with two filled nutrients and thus a good diet

If you want the perfect diet, you'll have to migrate

[tight oxide]

What dinos do you consider their biomes would be

Ik carno and teno

[manic flint]

Side tangent I really want them to put an arid Savannah biome in since I feel it would fit
And half the cast has 'arid' on there diet food locales

[limber hull]

To account for this, I'd like for good diets to be more meaningful than what they are and perfect diets to not always be perceived as they requirement

Carno plains, stego plains, pachy plains/coastal?, teno swamp, hypsi jungle/redwoods, dryo plains

Utah literally anywhere

Ptera coastal/rivers, deino is just in the water

[manic flint]

Teno is like an all terrain animal bit prefers to stay in close ish proximity to water
Carno is plains and arid, so is stego
Hypsi is jungle and redwoods
Dryo is jungle/plains
Ptera is rivers and coastal
Pachy is plains/coastal
Utah everywhere

I think

[tight oxide]

Wonder why utah everywhere

[limber hull]

Dryo is def plains

[tight oxide]

Swamp would be weird spot to find utah

[limber hull]

Honestly, I'd like dryo to be anywhere tho

[warm flame]

same

[limber hull]

Utahs don't care

[manic flint]

Dryo feels like it could be anywhere

[warm flame]

utah got places to be, things to eat

[manic flint]

Chill in a burrow in a redwood forest or a Savannah

I really want to see a carno and a teno in a Savannah for some reason

[tight oxide]

Ironic when its gameplay is about patience

[warm flame]

it's never really felt like that when I play it/against it unless the utah's bleeding stuff out

[tight oxide]

Thats how utah hunts sooo...

Unless you mean fighting dryos and etc

[manic flint]

Imo this would look pretty good in the game

[warm flame]

usually they're just mauling things alive with their pounce, it either dies quickly or slowly

[tight oxide]

So different type of bush

Seems simple to do

[manic flint]

Gives us an arid biome

[tight oxide]

You only get to see something die fast when its your tier tbh

Or lower

[warm flame]

or you're with a group and a bunch of people pounce at once

[tight oxide]

Pounce limit

[manic flint]

Dies fast if it's small
Bleed it out if it's big
Mediums will die fast if u got a pack

[tight oxide]

4 utahs at a time on stego right

[manic flint]

Yes

[tight oxide]

2 on carno and teno

And 2 on pachy cus logic

[manic flint]

Wut
2 on pachy wut

[warm flame]

2 people on a carno can still drain the health fast, if you have 4 well coordinated people they can take turns and make quick work of a carno

[tight oxide]

Idk man i did 2 utahs on pachy

[manic flint]

That makes no sense why is that in the game

[tight oxide]

You tell me

Pachy doesnt even show strugle

[manic flint]

Utah should be on a pachies back
Not it's side

Only 1 should fit

[tight oxide]

yea

but i guess new animations for pounce arent gonna be a thing yet

[manic flint]

They could just tilt it or smth

[tight oxide]

Even if utah is on pachy back I think there should be me strugle

because pachy can walk like a raptor isnt digging its claws into its ribs

[tight oxide]

or add a tired animation

Idk about you but 2 utahs on pachy is funny to see

especially since pachy can still stand when that happens

[manic flint]

Ayo never like your own feedback
That just looks bad

[tight oxide]

umm

how can I put the reaction then

[manic flint]

You don't react to your own feedback

People can like it even if you don't start with a tick

[tight oxide]

Then what shall I do if no one sees it thanks to giant text wall or something

[manic flint]

That sucks

[tight oxide]

ill just add a check until someone adds their own check or x

then unlike mine

[manic flint]

But nothing you can do
Liking your own feedback always looks trashy
Especially if it's not very good lmao

[tight oxide]

eh

doesnt matter much tbh

[manic flint]

Eh

[tight oxide]

its offical

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401481371249541120/931024927560183898/RealisticUtahraptortheIsle.png

85 checks

[manic flint]

Lmao

[tight oxide]

4 x's

people really want utah remodel to be thick

[manic flint]

I want that Utah
It looks like a Utah
Naked mind you
But it looks like the animal

[tight oxide]

dont blame em I mean jp velo for utah looks bad

[tight oxide]

It looks like it wont be blown by wind and break a leg

[manic flint]

Exactly

[tight oxide]

this is a simp

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401481371249541120/931024927560183898/RealisticUtahraptortheIsle.png

this is chad

[manic flint]

It's true

[tight oxide]

or... give utah spino steroids

[manic flint]

That looks 450kg
Our Utah looks like it's sub 200

[manic flint]

Ew

[tight oxide]

our utah looks like that concept utah but sub and malnourished

our utah does not even feel 992 pounds tbh

[tight oxide]

wavepool says they like skinny utah

we are screwed

[manic flint]

the model isn't bad, it just doesn't look like a 450kg animal

if utah was 200kg I would be fine with it

but it aint

[tight oxide]

I just really want it to get a remodel because Utah rn is so jurassic park that its shameless, I mean even its 1 call is Jurassic park

[manic flint]

yea

[tight oxide]

Only dino in the roster that could use a Jurassic design is anky

[manic flint]

i want a feathered utah tho

[manic flint]

i despise JP anky

Legacy anky's model was perfectly fine imo

[tight oxide]

you can have this if you want https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/868270632129953802/image0.png

[tight oxide]

I dunno man

[manic flint]

I am taking this image

[echo tiger]

I love that image, i stole it from another guy too so

[tight oxide]

Jp anky looks better than this

[tight oxide]

decent

actually looks chonky

[paper oriole]

fat cute anky that lures you in to a false sense of security

[tight oxide]

eh

Maybe

[manic flint]

love these kind of anky models

[limber hull]

I spent around half an hour laughing at this image last night. I adore that image

[tight oxide]

As long as it aint this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/868270632129953802/image0.png

[echo tiger]

What sort've niche do you think anky has in terms of it being an apex? same thing a stego with a little more buff?

[tight oxide]

you...

[limber hull]

Me...

[tight oxide]

you love skinny utah 😭

you had really fallen from grace

[limber hull]

Only because it makes you angry and I find that EXTREMELY funny

[manic flint]

skinny utah is a good subadult utah model

[manic flint]

but it doesn't feel like its 450kg

[echo tiger]

dad bod utah at adult

[tight oxide]

[limber hull]

Fractures and armour

[manic flint]

Vs. Ed the badass

[paper oriole]

fat whipper got done dirty

i guess tarbosaurus truly is the greatest

[tight oxide]

Utah before puberty

Im in

[limber hull]

I’m indifferent to skinny Utah, I really don’t feel it’s offensive enough to warrant a complete change to Utah’s model and gameplay style

[manic flint]

immune to bleed, armoured to hell, fractures out the ass, only vulnerable to headshots by a rex or similar

[tight oxide]

Its more of removing the Jurassic park look to give it something more original

[manic flint]

its gameplay is fine, inaccurate but tolerable. It just looks like a malnourished imp

[echo tiger]

Immunity to bleed would be broke, i think there should be a dynamic where you can flip it on its back or side and its underside is such a big weakspot

[tight oxide]

Or just let dinos flip it over

[limber hull]

The thing is, I like the JP style, lets you play a fun little unlicensed JP simulator, which is pretty sure what Dondi wants anyway lmao

[echo tiger]

jinx

[tight oxide]

but we got mods for that...

[echo tiger]

I dont like the JP stuff imo, utahs wrists still fucking annoy me

[manic flint]

yea, but anything that could pose a threat to it would be too tall to bleed it

[paper oriole]

theres a million other dinosaur games that rip off the jp raptor design

[echo tiger]

I mean theres giga

[limber hull]

Do we? Do we really?

[tight oxide]

and thats when we call in utah

[tight oxide]

I mean mods that will come in 2 years or 3

[manic flint]

to latch onto fucking what?

[tight oxide]

The one tiny sliver of anky hurtbox

[limber hull]

Ahahahaha 2 to 3 years for mods lmao

[manic flint]

it can barely reach its leg with a pounce maybe

[tight oxide]

you cant run from the facts

[manic flint]

try 5 years

[tight oxide]

nah even legacy got mods before 5 years

[limber hull]

I’m not running from facts, I’m telling you it’s pretty much not gonna happen in that little time

[tight oxide]

you just made me spit out my drink LMAO

[echo tiger]

Im excited for mod support, it means we can get rotational balancing like what there was on rogue

and actual patch notes

[limber hull]

Look at everything the devs have said about modding and tell me we’re gonna see it anywhere within the next 5 years

[tight oxide]

At least the Chinese will somehow hack the servers again for more dinos

[echo tiger]

play as a hypo COMPY

wewlad

[tight oxide]

hypo ptera and hypo hypsi

[manic flint]

hypo compy = utah

[tight oxide]

Me on my way to use hypo utah to kill every carno, teno, pachy and stego who had ever wronged me

[tight oxide]

you're not wrong...

[echo tiger]

Hypo utah also looks fucking boring as hell compared to the other hypos

Hypo giga is the most interesting looking

[tight oxide]

looks like bary 2.0

[echo tiger]

Its just someones deviant art OC

[limber hull]

From Filipe expressing his immense distaste for mods to them saying mods aren’t being out till the game, with its entire FIFTY FIVE dino roster, tribals and mercs is DONE, yeah right it’s coming in 3 years

[manic flint]

wasn't it 56

[echo tiger]

wouldn't suprirse me if the game stops development midway through and RECODE 3 happens

the hot take

[limber hull]

I literally do not know at this point

[tight oxide]

updates are every 5 to 6 months if it has a dino soooo... we are looking at about 20000000000000 years

I think I might be a little low

[manic flint]

its too many, they can easily scrap half of the ceratopsians

[echo tiger]

The next two updates after 5 aren't gonna have any dinos in

[limber hull]

I want ALL the ceratopsians

[echo tiger]

I just want sucho

[manic flint]

we don't need ava AND proto or pachyrhino AND styraco

[tight oxide]

The isle evrima when done (If we dont die of old age by then) will be the smash bros of dino games

[echo tiger]

i love that guy

[tight oxide]

that is if pot doesnt do funny dino updates

[manic flint]

same

[tight oxide]

replace deino give sucho gg

[echo tiger]

this

[manic flint]

this

[echo tiger]

deino bad

[tight oxide]

replace stego give kentro gg

[limber hull]

Add sucho with deino, have them fight it out

[tight oxide]

balance is fixed

[manic flint]

the playables i most want are kentro, sucho and cera

[tight oxide]

gonna be a tank vs a pistole

[limber hull]

Sucho and deino should’ve been added alongside each other in U3 honestly

[echo tiger]

dude wdym

[manic flint]

which thankfully are slated earlier in production

[echo tiger]

ptera is the most important addition to the game.

[tight oxide]

ngl I might main cera since it might be a brawler

I really wanna see a brawler carnivore tbh

[echo tiger]

I really dont think cera is going to be a good brawler with the whole herbivore sitch at oasis constantly

it really depends on its hunger drain tho

[manic flint]

they should have, at least sucho can cull the sub deino population, make shallows unsafe and kick the shit in of all carnos on the map

[tight oxide]

by the time cera comes the whole oasis will be thanos snapped (I hope)

[limber hull]

Exactly

[tight oxide]

how will bary be different from sucho

without being a faster more agile sucho

[limber hull]

Faster, not a brawler

[manic flint]

bary is far more land based

and frailer

[echo tiger]

Bary should be a speed demon honestly.

[tight oxide]

sacrifice power for land

[echo tiger]

Extremely maneuverable and fast on land and in water

Would be an interesting niche

[limber hull]

Sucho is a brawler that stays near the water, bary goes quick on water and land

[manic flint]

Sucho diet is easy too. Fish, Deinos, turtles, tenos plus whatever other AI

[tight oxide]

bary vs spino vs sucho vs deino

who wins

like all out match

[echo tiger]

give bary a pounce so it can actually reflect its IRL counterpart

[manic flint]

spino obv

[tight oxide]

eh bary and sucho and deino will target spino legs until it falls

[tight oxide]

what...

We aint gonna make bary become a water utah

[manic flint]

spino should be more aquatic, sucho the in between, bary the land speed demon and every teno's nightmare

[tight oxide]

I hope

[tight oxide]

Idk man i think teno would kill bary

with how it is now

[manic flint]

bary eats iguanodon, therefore bary eats teno

similar size

much more manueverable than a carno

[tight oxide]

"Paul, Utahraptor was not particularly fast and would have been an ambush hunter that preyed on large dinosaurs such as the contemporary iguanodonts and therizinosaurs"

[manic flint]

big claws for good bleed

[tight oxide]

google be like

from wiki too

[manic flint]

bary is what u get if u crossbreed a utah, sucho and carno

[tight oxide]

or just utah and sucho

[manic flint]

which means its the ultimate teno rival

[tight oxide]

Then I guess ill main bary

[manic flint]

cause they also inhabit the same biomes

[tight oxide]

wait so bary will clap carno?

[manic flint]

being swamps, rivers and plains

[tight oxide]

hol up...

[manic flint]

yes def

[tight oxide]

baryrex

no more ceratorex

bary rex is here

[echo tiger]

Bary wont clap carno

It'll be about a 60/40 match up between carno and bary

[tight oxide]

you and dino can talk about that but uh

fishing for them?

[manic flint]

Bary would have to for game balance
Bary can't escape a carno

[tight oxide]

and will they be able to sense the rivers movement

[manic flint]

hopefully

[tight oxide]

or it could pull a utah

[echo tiger]

Yeah but if you're caught out on your own and you get hit by a charge as a bary you die.

Bary only weighed around 1.200 i believe?

[tight oxide]

i dont think one carno charge means death for bary

[manic flint]

charge is an ambush move so ofc

but 1v1 confrontation they see eachother

[echo tiger]

Its not even that, you can just run into it and charge last minute and you'll always hit them.

[manic flint]

bary should win

[tight oxide]

wonder why no carnos do that

[echo tiger]

Its how i kill tenontos so fast on EU2, they dont expect the fast charge

[tight oxide]

nah megalania should

fite meh

[manic flint]

wheres that from

[echo tiger]

Cause its hard to pull off with the timer, you have to run for atleast 2 seconds and then charge and it comes out pretty fast

[manic flint]

bary is maneuverable enough and should be strong enough to take on a carno

[echo tiger]

It should be manueverable enough sure

[tight oxide]

guys

[echo tiger]

But i doubt it'll be strong enough

[tight oxide]

at this point we are talking about balance

no feedback lmao

[manic flint]

bary should have a 45/55 with teno and 60/40 with carno

[echo tiger]

its 1,200kg to 1,700kg

[manic flint]

alr lets jump to balance

[tight oxide]

then it will be inbetween

[echo tiger]

Its not having a 60/40 match up spread against an animal thats 1,800kg

Just through comparitive weights alone, its not realistic for it to just body a carno which is what the devs are going for, realism.

[tight oxide]

As long as bary has water to escape carno then there shouldnt be an issue

[echo tiger]

Yeah

But if it's on land and a carno sees it, its fucked

[tight oxide]

bary should be near water anyways

for the yummy fish

[manic flint]

alr so maybe 50/50 or slightly losing to carno but can outmaneuver it like a utah and can escape in the water

[echo tiger]

I agree with 50/50

[tight oxide]

yea

but tail hitbox be like

[manic flint]

that thick ass claw should do some damage

[tight oxide]

or heavy bleed

[manic flint]

locational damage when it works will solve it

[tight oxide]

he has returned to kill the ones who had wronged him... https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480390528729091/864399517298458644/new_isle_bary_with_old_skin2.png

[manic flint]

that is my hope, that tangling with bary is asking to be bled out

[tight oxide]

me when carno does half my hp on utah with 3 bites to tail tip

[tight oxide]

bary vs utah trio hmmmm....

[manic flint]

shall we move over to balance feedback to continue this

[tight oxide]

yea i dont like the cd

[limber hull]

disagree, bary will likely have a far inferior biteforce due to it's specialised fishing mouth. Its agility may give it the upper hand, but its lower weight and bite force make it unable to endure nearly as well in the fight

A charge could prove lethal

A nearby water source does grant bary an advantage with its far superior swimspeed

[urban flax]

But claws

[echo tiger]

If they add that in without it being broken OP then sure

i could see claw attacks being able to whittle down a carno pretty significantly with bleed.

[limber hull]

Bary is probably slower, lower damage and lower health than carno, HOWEVER, it comes equipped with fishing capabilities, a higher swimspeed and far greater agility (and also probably better stamina)

[tight oxide]

bary oneshots carno with claw swipe to neck gg

Ok im just joking...

[limber hull]

Sorry, I meant carno, not deino

[tight oxide]

what?

[limber hull]

i made an error

[urban flax]

I guess bary also has lower damage and health than deino though

[limber hull]

nah i was referring to carno

but obviously

[tight oxide]

ofc

[urban flax]

How fast is deino in water ?

[manic flint]

Bary v carno should be 50/50 or so
But it should be easy for it to escape

[limber hull]

no, i disagree with that

[manic flint]

What should it be?

[tight oxide]

how about 60 for carno and 40 for bary

[manic flint]

Perhaps

[echo tiger]

I do think its really situational

You dont really want to fight carnos and other terrestrials as a semi-aquatic anyway unless you're sucho or spino

Deino can fuck a duck, that thing will always be useless

[manic flint]

It shouldn't be a good idea for a carno to attack a bary cause of its claw, it should bleed it a lot
But bary should be able to outmaneuver it

[urban flax]

Bary looks like the most terrestrial-capable semi-aquatic in the game tho
Barring spino

[manic flint]

Spino doesn't count
Spino should be the most aquatic

[urban flax]

It should

But it doesn't look like so

[manic flint]

Yea
Bary should be a speed demon

Utah mixed with a sucho

[tight oxide]

spino rn looks too slow to swimm very well, at least our does

[echo tiger]

could just be the walk swim

not the sprint swim

[urban flax]

Our spino looks faster than a rex when running
Cause it literally runs

Wait we do have a running spino animation, right ? Or am I imaginating things ?

[limber hull]

deino should be the most aquatic lmao

[manic flint]

I'm going to pretend we have the Fred design

[manic flint]

Out of the spinosaurids

[echo tiger]

Deino should be the most aquatic i agree

For Deino to really be viable, it has to body the spinosaurids in the water.

[urban flax]

Except spino

[manic flint]

Spino should always maul Deino

[echo tiger]

Nah i think you can make a compelling argument as to why it should body spino

Purely on weight differential

[urban flax]

Our spino may be over 9 000 kilos

[echo tiger]

Deinosuchus was estimated to grow to atleast 15 tonnes or something ridiculous, whereas spino is about 8 or 9 tonnes

[urban flax]

Irl comparison moment

[manic flint]

Damn shitty quality

[limber hull]

i disagree, deino should have the upper hand in the water with a vastly superior biteforce and base damage, but falter on land

[echo tiger]

yeyeyeye ik its shit, and its dumb to balance shit based of IRL but thats the only way i can see deino being viable

Making it an ABSOLUTE god in water whilst being bodied on land

[tight oxide]

oh yea i forgot our deino bit harder than our hypo looking spino

but deino should be one of the best swimmers ingame no question

[echo tiger]

Could even do it so you can grab up to 8 Tonnes your weight if the thing you're grabbing is in water

[urban flax]

Or they can just not go in the same niches
Since it won't be a water ambusher, spino will prefer clear and deep water, while deino will go to murky waters to stay hidden
And deino will most likely be a faster swimmer than spino to escape

[limber hull]

deino only has a pretty arguably pathetic bite force for what it is atm because the roster is too small to accommodate for a more realistic deino. I'd like to see deinos bite force perhaps even reach 1000 damage (maximum, because any greater than 1000 is ) once the game is near a more finished state. I'd be comfortable with a 750 bite force deino with a full apex roster, assuming rex is even higher (which it may not be idk)

[echo tiger]

Oh yeah no question, but deino was advertised as an apex killer. Cant really kill shit if you're forced to run away

[tight oxide]

and then theres stego...

[urban flax]

What even is the point of grabbing something that can hold its breath for as long as you ?

[urban flax]

It wasn't

[limber hull]

i swear to god i actually want to go a single conversation in these channels WITHOUT talking about stego

[tight oxide]

rex sitting with 1200n bite force lol

[echo tiger]

It was

[limber hull]

Rex having 1000 bite force would be a fine amount honestly

If balanced in stats accordingly

[tight oxide]

i think deino should bite harder than rex tbh

[urban flax]

Rex 1500 biteforce but slow attack speed ?

[tight oxide]

since rex has the land to walk on while deino is staying by water

[limber hull]

1500 is VERY scary

[tight oxide]

1200n rex...

i will never forget

[limber hull]

I think rex and deino should be close, but rex could have its iconic high bite force

[tight oxide]

but deino bit harder...

[urban flax]

I guess you're referring to the Hope trailer, in which case you're getting it wrong. We see a deino roaring at a rex then backing off in the water there, not killing anything

[tight oxide]

AND IS STUCK WITH BEING NEAR WATER AT ALL TIMES!

[limber hull]

Honestly, IDK which one I'd prefer with a higher biteforce. Rex would likely be fairer, since deino could simply surprise and one-tap animals with such a high bite force, which could feel like utter shit

[urban flax]

Deino's bite wasn't for killing things outright, rex's was
It's also a matter of teeth

[tight oxide]

if rex bit harder wouldnt rex start not fearing water like stegos rn?

[manic flint]

Rex should have higher imo

[tight oxide]

well dang

[limber hull]

can we please

not talk about stego

for like 5 minutes

[manic flint]

NOT TALK ABOUT STEGO
FOR 5 MINUTES

[tight oxide]

alr bet

[limber hull]

this is a hypothetical world where this balance shit is sorted out

leave stego out of the equation lmao

[tight oxide]

you broke le 5 mins...

but anyways back to deino and rex or something

[urban flax]

Let's talk Kentro then
Rex will fear kentro because if it eats one it's gonna have its belly aching for days

[tight oxide]

kentro i wonder how will it die?

will it be aim for the head

[manic flint]

Imo kentro should be immune from Deino attacks from behind

[urban flax]

Troodon maybe ?

[manic flint]

It's weakness will be things that are really agile

[tight oxide]

idk how kentro will die if it can turn its head into a rock or tree or you know turn around

[manic flint]

Probably

[tight oxide]

maybe

troodon could probably avoid the spines with its size

[barren zephyr]

I mean Stego's tail is 1250

[tight oxide]

BRUH

bruh...

just bruh...

[urban flax]

Or it can die to stego and anky

[tight oxide]

what happened

[manic flint]

[barren zephyr]

What

[tight oxide]

come on look

look up

[limber hull]

okay yes but
A: that's not a base attack like a bite
B: it has a long windup anim and cooldown anim and leaves the stego exposed

(this only counts because it is technically a valid point)

[manic flint]

Troodon is too small to take damage from attacking

[tight oxide]

one more minute btw

[barren zephyr]

Well then why not(when the apex roster is in) make Deino's alt bite do that high dmg

[tight oxide]

that could work

timer done

[tight oxide]

but stego though

[barren zephyr]

What

[echo tiger]

The wind up anim is dependent on where you look, you can fast swing as a stego afterall.

[limber hull]

It still has a windup regardless of where you swing it

[tight oxide]

I wonder if rex will have trouble with fall dmg tbh

[echo tiger]

Barely though, especially on the fast swing

[tight oxide]

like hard trouble

[echo tiger]

Thats the only reason stego hard bodies deino

[tight oxide]

that it wont bother going down hill

[echo tiger]

You can spam it so easily

[tight oxide]

OK ima sleep

[barren zephyr]

Side jab is probably the highest DPS in the game

[urban flax]

I can see rex breaking its legs from a 3 meter fall

[tight oxide]

seeya and hope you solve this balance thing that started with bary and carno

[limber hull]

compared to legacy? nah

Honestly, I'm surprised no one has suggested, you know, slowing down some of the faster swings

Like making side swing of equal speed to back swing and front swing

like everyone's suggesting nerfs to stego but why not make it that it has a significant cooldown after using side-swing to prevent it's powerful spam

[outer sphinx]

this game could do wonders with a cooldown system

especially if you can get multiple charges

[echo tiger]

Or just make it use more stamina for now with every swing? It just needs a nerf hard since it is completely unkillable even as an adult

[low canopy]

cooldown for stego swing would be garbage, but guess history repeats itself would be cool and stuff

[outer sphinx]

im thinking cooldown more for other stuff, like abilties that do a lot more than just damage

how about the cooldown doesnt stop you from using the ability, but once depleted it takes all the bonus (or a good portion) mechanics, so for ex a pachy depleted the cooldown for the alt so now when he uses the alt it doesnt stun, nor override pounce etc

but you can have mutliple charges, so for ex pachy can have 5 charges, once 1 is fully charged it starts charging the next one

[echo tiger]

Nah i dont like charges

Charges just make the game feel like a fucking MOBA

and its confusing and annoying

[tepid gate]

Did it though?

[echo tiger]

Yeah deino had bite forces that were pretty much better than rex i think. But fuck that croc

[tepid gate]

Give me a second

#paleotalk message

If you read up further you will find out a bit about Deino's biteforce and why it wasn't as high as it's commonly depicted when compared to T.rex and Purussaurus

[echo tiger]

Oh mate i dont really care about the stats, i just know that Deino is a dogshit playable

If i'm wrong then im wrong, simple as

[tepid gate]

Oh yea, I'm just saying - Deino likely didn't exert as much force nor casued as much damage as Purussaurus and Tyrannosaurus did

[echo tiger]

Ye its realistic given the dentures and stuff

Like to say that even.

[tepid gate]

Yea, it's mainly about their teeth and the hunting strategy

[echo tiger]

Still doesnt change that its a dogshit playable though.

[tepid gate]

It most certainly doesn't

it will unfortunately likely remain as such for the foreseeable future

if not permanently