#general-feedback-discussion

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velvet mango
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You do have a fair point. Only dinosaur I could see carrying their young is a deino, like how modern crocs carry their young inside their mouth

barren zephyr
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Top left

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true portal
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i think the runts should get small bonuses and such for meerly surviving

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thats true, but not by the scruff of the neck

barren zephyr
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The one thing I do know is

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If parents have bad diets their babies naturally have worse stats

true portal
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that wouldnt be logical, and that dinosaur is more bird like, can u imagine the teno having a baby on its back? itd slide right off

gusty patrol
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i mean, searching for food will be harder, so as a carni you’d have to either live off if pure sneakiness or eat scraps, or try to get in a party and hope you can get the best out ofit. but i get where ur coming from

barren zephyr
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To encourage choosing an actual good and healthy player

true portal
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i think being able to lock yourself in with a baby underneath u and allowing you to pivot in place with it underneath u and unlock when u lunge would be a good idea for those that cant carry babies

gusty patrol
barren zephyr
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velvet mango
true portal
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but ud only have this chance if ur spawned in via nesting

velvet mango
barren zephyr
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Yeah, which is why it's even more annoying

gusty patrol
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velvet mango
barren zephyr
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Imagine you wanna get nested in as a Rex, whoops, now you're instantly weaker, smaller and in general shittier than everyone else and any other Rex that even spawns in normally, and you, the player can't do ANYTHING about it because it's RNG

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gusty patrol
true portal
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tho i imagine would be hard to implement

barren zephyr
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cough Hardcore realism servers cough

true portal
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things such as blindness, runts, babies going from dark to bright colours and such would be things that would be switched on or off, along with being able to change food density and spawn rate

velvet mango
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I need more realism servers to play, they’re way more fun at least for me

barren zephyr
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Make one

true portal
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its a lot of work sadly, as the player base is what you need

velvet mango
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Yes ^ precisely

true portal
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and players are hard to bring as i know the only realism server thats healthy is....lets not get into it tho

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as i dont wanna be rude

barren zephyr
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Do you guys remember/know of TheIsle.Realism/Rogue.Realism

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velvet mango
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The only realism server I know, is hellfire, and that server does have its cons here and there, but I try not to bash it so hard cause it’s the only realism server I know

true portal
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i wasnt able to play when the game first started tho ofc i knew of the isle since its BIRTH because i watched youtube relentlessly....and craved it...

true portal
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and....they ruined the maia profile, and i can never forgive them

barren zephyr
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There is an Evrima server that is going for hardcore realism, problem is, nobody barely plays on it

velvet mango
true portal
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is theres a difference between it for me and for them, i like forming bonds and growing families and seeing them develop, having hard rules for ur herd but only your herd, never push it on to others, and then theres....the no speakers....and its just not as fun, as theres a slight detachment for me

barren zephyr
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Well what if like

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barren zephyr
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Some female animals of a herd can't protect the lead bull and just have to leave them behind if they get attacked/targeted

velvet mango
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barren zephyr
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Mhm. And no mix-species defending

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Even for herbs

velvet mango
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velvet mango
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# barren zephyr Mhm. And no mix-species defending

that i have issues with as in real life animals will do that, though not specifically protect, though some might if they have seen it to have adopted a single one of another species from child to adult but not a whole herd

barren zephyr
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true portal
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some of the more intelligent creatures that can process grief and pride and such

velvet mango
barren zephyr
true portal
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like troodon

barren zephyr
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Well, Troodon is a carnivore tho xD

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true portal
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i can imagine them pretending to help a utah baby, only to consume it when its big enough

barren zephyr
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Well, not "Troodon" specifically but yes

urban flax
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We have no proof of dinos intelligence either

barren zephyr
urban flax
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It's harder to calculate than "brain mass" or "brain to body ratio"

true portal
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but its the only thing we can really base off of, thats why profiles are always shifting, NOT CHANGING DRASTICALLY

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barren zephyr
true portal
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thats true

barren zephyr
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But none of our herbivores are necessarily "smart" as an elephant

velvet mango
true portal
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this is also my tangent on the kills should feel more rewarding balance-feedback-discussion: its pointless hunting something if its gonna keel over and die, though having a varied method of killing and prey reactions is importan for example, maias are runners and are always on edge and its hard to catch them but they i believe technically give an apex gore (legacy) that could be a diet requirement for utahs and carnos and such as those would be the dinos to eat faster dinosaurs, though i find if a slower dinosaur managed to catch, i feel like there should be a reward for catching something thats that fast. For example a Utah should receive some sort of buff or something that shows off that it has killed something big or lead a pack to a successful large prey hunt. As adults carnivores shouldnt be punished for hunting big or hard prey, but it should be varied, like slow dinosaurs get a boost or buff or reward of somesort like idk some sort of nesting buff or impressiveness that shows up on them as a scent to show other dinosaurs of their species or other that they killed something impressive

barren zephyr
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Carnivores rn are pushed to be rutheless killing machines

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barren zephyr
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There is a reason. Nutrients, Which is why they're being pushed to be ruthless killing machines

true portal
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gotta think farther, more, better then tha

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the triangle goes, food and water, and then i dont remember

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but having babies is like 2nd or 3rd

barren zephyr
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Competition

true portal
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because u grow, u eat, drink, find mate, find enemy, kill, win and breed

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and do the last bit as many times as possible

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you want a reason other then just "oh the big sauropod is big, and uh, itll give us big amounts of food"

velvet mango
true portal
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so attaching a nesting reward, or a status of "sauropod killer" or something, that can be seen or smelled on those whove taken down hard prey, would be a good additional motivation to add as it could give you an added chance to gain a mate, and on the mate seeing side, it shows that that persons skilled, or even just being able to tell what the dinos killed or eaten could lead to carnivores intentionally consuming bad or rotting corpses and detrimenting their health so that it shows "consumed trike" or something so that dinosaurs can deceive females into believing their stronger then they are

barren zephyr
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Btw the server you spoke about, is it Evrima or leg?

true portal
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hellfire?

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its legacy..i believe it will be converting to evirma shortly when nesting begins. as its the logical move for a realism server, tho some have already started up and just tp juvies to others

velvet mango
limber hull
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i see that concept as too "gamey"

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there's no real way for these animals to magically know some guy eats sauropods

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@patent garden nesting next major update

patent garden
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ah really?

barren zephyr
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Yeah, in 5 years TI_Troll

patent garden
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lol yeah..................

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again... year and a half since evrima came out and we dont even have one of the most important mechanics from legacy in the game.....

limber hull
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i really don't think the updates take that long but TI_HypsiShrug

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legacy nesting kinda sucked imho

patent garden
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yeh it did

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but the general mechanic was nice

limber hull
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it felt incomplete and really didn't have much interactivity

velvet mango
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^ y e s

barren zephyr
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there was no point in it, that's the issue

patent garden
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i just liked being able to spawn in with a group

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rn it's just "go to hotspot and hope there are others of your kind and they're not cannibals / douchebags"

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i mean that existed in legacy too but nesting really makes a big difference

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patent garden
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also where do you guys find out that nesting is the next big update

true portal
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and also, we are playing a game, there needs to be some gaming aspects

limber hull
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yea but like

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i seriously don't see a reason for it

true portal
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have you ever, danced for a woman?

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a man?, felt that pride of showing off pretty colours

limber hull
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not only does "sauropod killer" appearing over some dude's head when i sniff them feel super immersion-breaking, since literally ANYONE can take a single bite from a sauropod, it really wouldn't be impressive

barren zephyr
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No, ahe usually dances for me TI_Troll

true portal
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brain go sparkly sparkly?

limber hull
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mating dances are planned

patent garden
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i hope they're all fortnite-inspired

limber hull
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and they make MUCH more sense imho

patent garden
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just like god wouldve wanted 🙏

true portal
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carnivores are hungie, im just trying to think of ways for carnivores to be more, varied

limber hull
patent garden
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if a utah isnt doing the orange justice or whatever it's called, sorry, im not banging

barren zephyr
true portal
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id love to see gifts and such, which was an implemented playstyle for allosaur to hunt little ai along the way and leave them for his hopefully lady

patent garden
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looks like they ripped off those dumb birds of paradise

true portal
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id say that dance would be more a mating dance, to signify union and such

barren zephyr
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Imagine a bird-like dinosaur acting bird-like

patent garden
limber hull
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limber hull
patent garden
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oh very nice

true portal
patent garden
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thanks

barren zephyr
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@limber hull Just shows how little in touch people are jeez

true portal
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idt a giga would appreciate a small scrap of meat

patent garden
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aw hell the gore update's coming up quite soon :/

limber hull
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Gore update fuck yea

true portal
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im trying to think of bigger scaled, like a stat buff for doing something big

barren zephyr
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Hah

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Soon:tm

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Fuck

patent garden
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look at this nerd™️

barren zephyr
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Soon™️

limber hull
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personally, i think overcomplicating these simple systems leads to a BoB style scenario, where it plays less like a dino sim and more like some MMO with heavy RPG elements with minor survival elements

limber hull
patent garden
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anyways im kinda hoping they'll add some kind of like... less detailed gore option whenever that update rolls around

true portal
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that is true, i am worried about that

barren zephyr
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They are giving you the option to turn off excessive gore

patent garden
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ah okay then

barren zephyr
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The gore is gonna be realistic

limber hull
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I heard they still wanted the gore to be gruesome, regardless of settings

patent garden
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was a bit worried since the devs seem...... a bit hardheaded when it comes to letting people customize their game

limber hull
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I thought it was something like "gruesome to excessively gruesome"

patent garden
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cough global options cough admin options cough

barren zephyr
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I mean, I'm a sucker for gore

patent garden
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cough mod support cough

barren zephyr
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Mod support is the fault of a dev that left the game

urban flax
limber hull
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I find hardheaded on customisation is needed when we compare to shitshows like BoB. BoB lets the player do basically whatever and holy shit does the experience feel worse

barren zephyr
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limber hull
patent garden
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eh i think cosmetic stuff (player-side) shouldnt make much of a difference honestly

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barren zephyr
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It's still annoying to have bright neon pink dinos walking around

patent garden
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yeh i think that's ugly as hell

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im glad the skin system is more strict

limber hull
urban flax
# barren zephyr Not really

Dogs can
Every person or animal has three layers of smell
The first one is the only one humans can smell
The second one is made by what you eat
The third one is unique to each individual

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barren zephyr
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Our sense of smell is incredibly weak

true portal
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thats true

patent garden
true portal
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and thats how we hunt no

barren zephyr
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We don't hunt with our nose

urban flax
barren zephyr
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We hunt with our eyes, our stamina and our advanced hunting methods via weapons and thoroughly thought out plans

patent garden
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if the devs wont add it, ill just wait till they add mod compat and wait for a mod like that. i bought the game like four years ago, hoping for a slightly more serious dino sim than BoB the sandbox, not a gore fest

true portal
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hunt, follow, track

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barren zephyr
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And we do all that with our eyes

patent garden
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barren zephyr
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Gore will be client side

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Not server side

patent garden
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yeh so then why not have an option to blur it?

barren zephyr
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Because gore is still a core mechanic

true portal
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well they might have to since children do play it, but again

barren zephyr
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Essential to the game's overall identity of what it will be in the future

patent garden
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its still a core mechanic whether you see it less?

limber hull
# patent garden could add a gentle blur or something, clientside?

sounds like a lot of visual clutter and work just to make sure people don't see dino guts TI_HypsiShrug. I think gore would be perfect for the style of the game and to prove that "hey, our game isn't exactly one for kids or people who want to do extremely weird dinosaur ERP" lmao

true portal
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kids play shooter games with zombies and heads popping lckking

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limber hull
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what

barren zephyr
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Yeah but it isn't like seeing the actual guts of an animal being torn and eaten while its still alive

true portal
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there could be ways to avoid it

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you could zoom out as far as possible

limber hull
patent garden
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lol adults can prefer not having gore too... i understand they're going for a "serious" style. the people that want that can have it and it literally would not affect anyone else to have a clientside blur mechanic

barren zephyr
true portal
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hm or you could add a mod later ya, but it would be important to try and be marketable

barren zephyr
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Also, you tellin' me, this isn't gory?

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true portal
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i never even realized there was a person there

barren zephyr
true portal
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less gory

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just looks like poor stuck o body

barren zephyr
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Well yeah, cuz that's with no gore update lol

true portal
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now if there were intestines and such

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id feel uncomfortable

barren zephyr
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You mean like in here?

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true portal
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ya thats a little unsettling i could see, but i feel as though it might become a bit of a oh ive seen it once ive seen it a million times

patent garden
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im just saying a blur mechanic would be: fairly simple to implement, wouldn't affect anyone who loves gore and would literally.... not make the game any less serious, or any less horrific? im not talking a full-on black bar here, im just saying some slight loss of detail

limber hull
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sometimes i feel devs need to stick to their guns and not pussy-foot around things they truly feel will help identify their game. If the Isle has ways around its core features like gore, it ends up with players going "well I don't like this or this or this and you should let us disable it all". The Isle has always tried to be gritty and realistic in terms of the animalistic nature of its creatures, so I'm glad they're finally getting to do that

true portal
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slim, for me, i try and find the errors in things that scare or gross me out, or try and see the little pixels

barren zephyr
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Then The Isle isn't really something for you

patent garden
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if you watch a documentary where a pack of hyenas are ripping apart a gazelle, and they slightly blur the actual organs falling out of the gazelle, are you suddenly like "oh yep he's fine this is happy documentary :)"?? hell no!

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plus the game is in early release, they didnt really advertise gore in the beginning. yes, the horror aspect has always been there, but you can have perfectly good horror without excessive gore

limber hull
patent garden
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im saying to give BOTH options, uncensored and censored, with the uncensored being the default

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im not trying to argue they shouldnt have any gore in the game

barren zephyr
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The uncensored shouldn't be the default in the game

limber hull
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it should

barren zephyr
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I don't think so personally

true portal
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or we could just have a slider that defines how censored it is

patent garden
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just the option for people who bought the game and maybe want to enjoy it without having to look at spleens in 4k ultra hd?

limber hull
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having censored gore be the default completely strips away the impact of the gore

true portal
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with the default being slightly grainy

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but can still make it out enough?

barren zephyr
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That's what I mean

limber hull
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brain hurt

barren zephyr
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Oh wait fuck. I'm dumb. I meant that the censored shouldn't be default

limber hull
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mind numb

barren zephyr
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IT'S 9 AM OKAY??!?!

limber hull
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i have no excuse

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im just dumb

patent garden
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knees weak

barren zephyr
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I still remember that video of the Komodo Dragon killing a pregnant deer, ripping open the stomach and then also eating the child

true portal
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its 3:15 am for me

barren zephyr
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WHILE the mother deer is alive btw

patent garden
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anyways my point was just for the option of a clientside cosmetic change. i do agree that it's good for a lot of things that the devs are sticking to their guns (i.e, no stupid ass bright ugly skins and no more global) but you've gotta have some kind of customization in a game... especially if it's customization that doesn't even affect gameplay and doesn't even impact others

true portal
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it makes me SpEcIaL

limber hull
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bright ugly skin bad

patent garden
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😩

limber hull
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fuck BoB, bad game bad skins

patent garden
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it just looks gross, literally cant find a single game where bright colors look good in the lighting engine

true portal
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thats fair

urban flax
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Why suddendly out of nowhere everyone is complaining about corpse-guarding ?

last lily
outer sphinx
fallen cargo
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Legit watched two stegos take on shifts guarding a teno body that a group of carnos had killed decided to give the whole herd a headache with ptera 1 call spam, if they wanna be annoying I'll be annoying right back

barren zephyr
fallen cargo
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With great power comes great responsibility, gotta use the ptera 1 call for good, not evil

lavish quail
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The chad ptera player

fallen cargo
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Herbis are crying, I'm flyin

honest sparrow
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Virgin spam calling Ptera player vs the chad mini quetz Ptera player

fallen cargo
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why not both?

barren zephyr
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There can only be one

paper oriole
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How can people spam call and not annoy themselves, it is beyond me

fallen cargo
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I'll sacrafice my ears to give body camping Herbis a headache

bold palm
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is it me or is the size ratio of things a bit off..

hasty dagger
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I basically never spam call unless it’s to annoy herbis guarding bodies

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“Oh, Stego pair over there, time to get my entire pack to circle them and bark”

fallen cargo
paper oriole
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"no one is persistent enough to look for someone for a whole 10 minutes." oh they'd be amazed

patent garden
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lol yeah especially if you’re a starving carni

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or a bloodthirsty herbi

paper oriole
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stegos and utahs, from my experience, will spend a big chunk of time just to kill one thing that is useless to them

patent garden
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tbf there’s literally nothing else to do besides kill

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gotta make the game entertaining somehow

paper oriole
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hnestly with the AFK thing, maybe they should first fix their game s it doesnt reward AFK and/or isnt so boring that AFK is the most preferable growing method

patent garden
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^^^^

fallen cargo
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ive been chased by six pachys from center pond to shallows through the forest... i think, theyd be persistant enough to wait

paper oriole
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i was never an AFK grower before the diet system but now the game basically punishes you for exploring

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yeah herbi players have jack shit to do so they just go on bloodthirsty kill sprees

patent garden
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all these shit ass anti-meta mechanics are stupid… fix the core reason, not the symptom

random jasper
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if killing is the only way to have fun (and killing inherently messes others over, especially when you spent 45mins-2 hours growing but aren't strong enough to defend yourself), then more has to be added

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like to the game

patent garden
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people afk grow because being a lone juvie is fucking boring

paper oriole
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more FUN things have to be added, is the important part

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they added diets, and it made things worse

patent garden
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because all there is to the game is fighting, and you can’t fight until you’re an adult

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diets dont make the game more difficult… devs think grinding equals difficulty lmao

paper oriole
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i keep my carni growth boost longer by killing some ai and afking next to the body

fallen cargo
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yeah, its like they added the body down rule as a manditory way to grow

patent garden
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yeh… the diet system is stupid asf and just encourages hotspots to be even more crowded

paper oriole
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also speaking of ai, with the lack of respawning ai around the island it just further pushes people to the oasis cesspit

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ai that doesnt respawn, and herbi food that is all at oasis and badly distributed elsewhere with somewhat of an exception of tenonto diet

random jasper
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the problem is there has to be a balance between an ECOSYSTEM (that's the entire purpose of the game) and FUN/PLAYABILITY. But irl ecosystems are nothing like videogames

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like i dont see a game focused around finding a mate

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so no breeding, no quest for comfort

fallen cargo
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even if you do get a kill at oasis the millions of herbivours see you eating and their single neuron activates to punish you for playing the game lol

random jasper
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whats left? killing

paper oriole
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nesting will be fun for some people, but comfort/stress systems and disease systems are just a hassle

random jasper
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the main reward is not being dead. that's just stress 😭

paper oriole
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in nature you can get bit by a tick and just get a death sentence

random jasper
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yes

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also in nature you can't just get up and play another game, you're stuck as a dinosaur in that said life

limber hull
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yea, not a fan of comfort/stress systems tbh

echo tiger
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they should add playable ticks to transfer lyme disease to dinos TI_Troll

paper oriole
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yeah animals ar ecommitted to survival in nature because that shit isnt a game, you cant imitate that commitment in the isle no matter how hard you try

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some people wont give too much shits about elder system if they just want to be a little shit

random jasper
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paper oriole
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adding too many systems to juggle like disease, comfort/stress, temperature, just makes it so the game can't be enjoyed

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even if it forces people not to afk they will 1. still find the route of minimal effort or 2. quit

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if it isnt fun or spooky or cool and it's just a bland chore it doesnt belong

random jasper
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my point exactly. Animals IRL do minimal effort because they cant quit the game. Once they have food, they stop killing. Why kill.
Because an ecosystem of dinosaurs is nothing like a game

limber hull
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i feel the Isle can make engaging ecosystems by making engaging mechanics, and most importantly, engaging animals. We'll see a TON more smalls in EVRIMA if they keep the trend of giving certain animals unique styles of play and abilities. Means that rather than an ecosystem built mostly on "who is the biggest/strongest" it's built on "what animal do I enjoy playing most?". Believe me, my desire to play extra-smalls skyrocketed when I learned of the plans for animals like troodon, minmi and hypsi

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If this was legacy, I'd just want to play rex since everything else plays like a rex but lower stats

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legacy failed to give reason to pick anything but the biggest and the best, since so many animals played the same

random jasper
# limber hull i feel the Isle can make engaging ecosystems by making engaging mechanics, and m...

i was by a pond earlier today staring at a branch and i though "hey, it looks like an amphibian. you know, carboniferous/permian type. I'd like to play as that". Honestly living in your own little pond with its own challenges and its own playstyle would, as you say, make it closer to a legit ecosystem. This applies to any niche that isn't small fast herbi/raptor/big herbi/rex because thats not an ecosystem, thats a caricature of a food chain

paper oriole
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legacy was just biteforce and turn radius, thats it. boring deciders of a fight, but then rex had bone break on top of it

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it wasnt as OP as giga vs the rest of the roster but damn

patent garden
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also the biggest thing is that you cant force players to play as stupidly as a real life stego would be. players will abuse mechanics as best as they can… they need to stop forcing the fucking meta

limber hull
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for example, we had things like "why in gods fucking name would i play cera if allo exists"

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evrima intends to give cera actual reason to exist

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and unique mechanics that draw certain players to select it over allo

paper oriole
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one of the reasons op as fuck animals like hippos, chimpanzees and bears are balanced IRL is because they have limited intelligence

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if they were as smart as us, they'd be so busted. thats why the isle cant work like the real world

random jasper
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and because they dont wanna kill everything like we do

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a peaceful but wise person playing as a stego would be sick

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not a raging 9-yr-old

limber hull
paper oriole
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we see other intelligent animals torturing others, such as corvids and cetaceans

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and chimps, theyre awful

random jasper
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i like what they did to deino. Deino being stuck in water makes water a danger zone. who cares if theyre over-aggressive or peaceful hippies? water is a no-go. That's like irl rivers in africa

limber hull
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lmao chimps

paper oriole
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chimps are straight up demons lmao

limber hull
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let the cannibals literally JUST be "Isle chimps"

random jasper
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but when you make stegos aggressive, the entire map becomes a danger zone

limber hull
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that's all you need to make them and they'd be horrifying

paper oriole
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yeah chimps are horrifying, cannibals in the isle could act like them and just be a menace

random jasper
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😭 chimpanzees are adorable

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even their hunting strats are cute to me

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when they kill small monkeys in the forests

paper oriole
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to be fair with stegos, you ca literally just walk away from them, but they do bodyguard at oasis

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chimpanzees dismember their victims and prolong suffering intentionally its so vile lol

random jasper
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yikes

paper oriole
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theyre so close to humans biologically and act like that, its pretty creepy but then you see some of the things we do

limber hull
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as someone who loves monkeys and apes, i know enough about chimps to NEVER fuck with them

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if I ever saw a chimp, I'm diving in a fucking river

paper oriole
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chimps aim for sensitive spots like the face or groin that wont instantly kill you because they revel in the agony of their victims

random jasper
limber hull
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rather take my chances in there than against a chimp

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chimps are notoriously bad swimmers, they are extremely dense, muscly animals and they rarely go to the water

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their incredible strength comes with the downside of having extreme density and low buoyancy

random jasper
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logical

paper oriole
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thats one of the reasons a lot of chimp enclosures i see have a moat of sorts, i've always assumed

limber hull
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yea (although i think they also make the moat shallow and with sheer edges that are difficult to climb to prevent the animals drowning by accident, while keeping them down there)

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the chimps natural fear of water is what prevents them from going across

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they see the water and assume its a dangerous area where they can drown so they simply don't

paper oriole
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its crazy how many stories there are of captive chimps just maiming their captors because some people think "hehe he's so smart and nice i put a shirt on him"

limber hull
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chimps CAN be chill, but you need to know fully that they like you

paper oriole
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chimps can be chill, but they can go from 0 to 100 in a snap

limber hull
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and generally you're better off with a more peaceful animal like a gorilla or orangutan

random jasper
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apparently bonobos are kinda in-between peaceful great apes and chimpanzees

paper oriole
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orangutans and gibbons are top tier great apes to me, usually very wholesome

random jasper
limber hull
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gorillas are defenders, not aggressors. You need to prove to the gorilla you aren't a threat and they'll be chill. If a gorilla approaches you, make yourself as small and unthreatening as possible, gorillas literally only like to pick on things their own size

paper oriole
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gorillas just wanna eat grass and chill

limber hull
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like if you're a little cowering thing, the gorilla isn't going to beat you to death. If you're trying to make yourself big and scary and attack the damn thing, prepare to have your limbs take a little vacation from your torso

paper oriole
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chimpanzees will see a child chimpanzee from another troop and go "yo im gonna eat that son of a bitch"

limber hull
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yea they're utter bastard animals

random jasper
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ok so do we agree that most of The Isle's problems stem from the clash between ecosystems and humans playing a videogame?

paper oriole
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thats the least solvable source problem, yeah

random jasper
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yeah ofc there are other more fixable issues

paper oriole
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so other problems should be worked on being solved to lessen the issue without making it shitty like ARK temperature system or BoB stress system

random jasper
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ragnarok ice moment

limber hull
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also, remember, you give people agency of choice and they are less likely to choose the same thing over and over again (in this scenario, violence)

paper oriole
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on a tropical island, takes cold damage, logic

limber hull
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if you can nest and reach elder and be rewarded for survival

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people will want to do that too

paper oriole
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there are many who would be deterred from more reckless gameplay by a reasonable goal and method to reach that goal, but there will always be those who just want to troll. and its just gonna be like that tbh

limber hull
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currently, you have a ton of people who can really ONLY fight, so they fight

random jasper
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also easy to code a kill-tracking thing that makes sure you don't kill too many players in a set amount of time, but that wouldnt work because what if youre fighting off attackers then its just self defense

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also for the love of god make growth more fun without afk. rn deino is just 5-7 hours of waiting and occasionally heading up and down river

paper oriole
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yeah itd just punish defensives and be abused i think

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a lot of deterrent mechanics that are brought up are ripe for abuse because thats what the community does lol

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if they find a loophole to use to ruin another person's day they will do it

random jasper
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exactly

paper oriole
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deino gameplay is eating fish, hoping somebody is too lazy to travel to shallows for water, and hoping a bigger cannibal doesn't roll up and reset your wntire work-day length grow time

random jasper
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omg shallows

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i love it and hate it

limber hull
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i just hate it

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give me sucho then give me shallows

random jasper
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like its fun when youre a landborne but omg its such a dumb location when you think about it

paper oriole
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i love it when i aint playing deino which is most of the time, but poor deino mains lol

random jasper
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exactly

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i'd remove it or make it way smaller

sacred moat
limber hull
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also sucho

paper oriole
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i personally dont usually even drink at shallows though yet i have not one single time in this game died to a deino

random jasper
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or make a landbridge instead, and deinos can use it if they can ambush right

paper oriole
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its just rough for them

limber hull
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if we're going to have shallows, we might as well have the thing that likes to hang out there

paper oriole
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we need lazy river from legacy moved in to evrima

random jasper
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no i drink at normal rivers because i like the stress of a deino that MIGHT come and kill me. 20% of the time i die but wtv, makes the game more fun for everyone

paper oriole
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big fat chonker river with islands in the middle to stop at while crossing. deino haven

random jasper
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good idea

paper oriole
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obviously that was at just one region of the old map but itd be fine being the same in evrima especially if it was a fertile area

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also titan lake, that place would be great in evrima

random jasper
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you almost get killed by adult gator, now you can breathe at stop island... but uh oh, now all deinos are circling island

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and wait is that an adult carno ALSO on the island?

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death. but like a fun situational death

paper oriole
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lol i remembe rhcilling on one of the islands in legacy and a subrex logged in next to me and got immediately merked by a carno pack when i ran it off the island

limber hull
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i dont like much about legacy but holy shit titan lake would be utterly hilarious with deino

sacred moat
paper oriole
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would have to watch out for gators while resting on those islands

paper oriole
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the geyser fields were cool too

random jasper
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also why is the map so big if barely a tenth is active?

paper oriole
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who knows, they aught to up the player capacity if they want a chance at the game remaining a PvP survival game and not single player with occasional encounters

sacred moat
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Only reason I prefer a titan lake over a lazy river is because lazy river is pretty much a guaranteed death sentence for anything crossing

limber hull
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i hope player capacity goes WAAAAY up with server improvements

paper oriole
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true, though its just one area, animals like austro, spino, minmi, and beipi would thrive there

limber hull
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55 playable dinosaurs on 100 player servers including several human types? Uh oh

paper oriole
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i dont want all the gaps to be filled with ai, its depressing only running in to ai for a whole playthrough

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especially dinosaur ai

limber hull
paper oriole
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dinosaur ai is damn awful aside from maybe small gap-fillers like dryo or velo ai

limber hull
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i dont even want dryo AI, I just want them to give dryo a fucking niche to make people actually WANT to play it

sacred moat
paper oriole
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i hate being tenonto, seeing another tenonto, then noticing its just walking in an oval like "god dammit"

random jasper
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also how strong is raptor? because rn with carno and raptor being powerful and fast it leaves little niche survivability for herbis i think (but idk I barely even see player fights)

fallen cargo
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Yeah I was cool with the dryo ai but Utah, teno and God the carno ai, it just made me depressed when I saw em

random jasper
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then again stego is the new apex so idk

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it hunts more than the deinos i see 💀

limber hull
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i mean, stego IS an apex

paper oriole
fallen cargo
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It's their bleed you gotta look out for, if you run into like 6 of em it's over for you if they know what their doing

random jasper
sacred moat
paper oriole
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idk, apexes can be assholes

limber hull
random jasper
paper oriole
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elephant bulls will kfs some rando ass animal to show off

limber hull
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literally hippo

paper oriole
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like literally just go flex

limber hull
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and no, hippos aren't territorial, they are JUST assholes

paper oriole
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hippos will see an impala swimming across a river to escape wild dogs and just snap its neck and leave

sacred moat
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Herbivores In African kill more humans than carnivores

random jasper
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yeah ofc but its absurd that as a dryo i get killed more by stegos than raptors (my literal canon predator)

sacred moat
random jasper
fallen cargo
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I saw a bunch of hippos just tossing around a gator like a ragdoll, it couldn't do anything about it the poor thing

paper oriole
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as a merc in qa i got killed by pachys like 9 times and utahs only 2

random jasper
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^

paper oriole
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even juv stegos were nicer to me than pachies lmao

random jasper
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i mean ofc herbis are killers but rn were mentioning 1-2 shocking herbi kills that are usually territory or breeding-based

limber hull
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i'll be honest, stego seems like exactly the kind of animal to, using its single braincell, completely fucking destroy anything they see that ISN'T it. Like if we're talking "chilled out herbivores", the peabrain given a fucking instant-death gore weapon is not what comes to mind

paper oriole
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ok, camels

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or what about the horse that just KFSes a bird for literally 0 reason

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or a common deer that runs across several yards just to stomp on a dog's face

random jasper
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if you see a camel in the distance, are you scared for your life? lol i hope not

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rn with tenontos as a juvi its exactly that

limber hull
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what about the kangaroo that will just fight people because it CAN

paper oriole
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yo a camel can fuck you up if its in the mood

random jasper
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they dont fight when you come in their territory, the isle herbis Actively seek you out

limber hull
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so a hippo

paper oriole
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oh yeah a kangaroo will try to break in to a house to throw hands

limber hull
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or a kangaroo

random jasper
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😭

limber hull
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or a zebra

random jasper
limber hull
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absolutely not

paper oriole
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zebras kill eachothers babie slol

limber hull
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hippos LITERALLY do it because they can and want to

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they will go out of their way to look for a fight

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nothing to do with territory

paper oriole
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no, hippos just see something breathing and are like "not on my watch"

fallen cargo
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We can also mention Rhinos on the basis that they cannot see so anything moving is a threat

limber hull
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hippos will outright kill things that pose zero threat to it because "it gazed upon me for but a mere moment"

random jasper
paper oriole
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dont hippos also corpse steal

limber hull
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but even that's giving hippos too much credit, they never need a reason, they just do it

random jasper
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yeah but theyre insane

limber hull
paper oriole
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i know i saw a video of some asshole hippos corpse stealing from wild dogs or lions or smthn

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they also body guard

fallen cargo
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Gators are more chill than hippos

random jasper
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bisons and elephants and giraffes and moose wont f*cking pursue you for miles it's absurd

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nor would zebras, or antelopes, or pangolins or wtv

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yeah there are some aggressive herbivores

paper oriole
fallen cargo
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Lol true

paper oriole
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gators literally get petrified in fear as a baby hippo kicks and bites them because they dont want to make the adults angry

random jasper
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like my whole issue with herbis isnt them killing me when i mess with them or walk near them or wtv thats every single animal even seagulls

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my issue is tenontos rushing after me thru forests (while im a newborn utath) just to kill me, systematically

sacred moat
paper oriole
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they want blood, its all they have to do rn

random jasper
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^thats my point

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not saying its fixable, my argument is just pointing out an issue

paper oriole
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they and pachy are also the only two actual brawles in game right now, when our only two brawlers are herbivores then herbivores are gonna be going on murder sprees

sacred moat
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The only fix is to play on a community server that has rules limiting herbivore aggression

random jasper
random jasper
paper oriole
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they will kos a whole litter of lion cubs though TI_Troll

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but thats just survival

random jasper
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but if the cubs run away (if they could) they usualyl wouldnt RUSH after them to kill them

paper oriole
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yeah they would

random jasper
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fair haha

paper oriole
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they are there to eliminate an easy target before it becomes a threat

random jasper
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wait what animal? hippos would, some elephants too

paper oriole
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i saw a vid of buffalo just going sicko mode on some lion cubs

random jasper
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hahaha buffy boi

bold palm
#

animal perspective is mostly territorial, but then again asking a human to not act like a human playing a video game... 🙂

random jasper
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usually though animals go by law of least effort

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if its not territory or for breeding purposes, theyll leave alone usually

paper oriole
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also saw another one of a buffalo just attacking a few lions who were sleeping under a tree, but i dont remember if it actually killed them or just made them fuck off

random jasper
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yeah there are a handful of shocking exceptions but its nothing like wolves walking for miles JUST for a kill

bold palm
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male lions kill hyenas for fun

random jasper
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is it fun or hardwired defense mechanism

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hyenas are competitors

paper oriole
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yeah they dont go miles to do it, but then again they arent humans so they dont have the capacity to think "if we systemically hunted and executed carnivores then nobody would be trying to gnaw on our thighs"

random jasper
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exactly^ well said

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we cant always put human traits on animals

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like calling hyenas cruel for eating prey alive

paper oriole
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if buffalo thought like humans, no lion would ever make a kill form a buffalo herd

random jasper
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theyre not cruel its literally just a super efficient way, why waste time waiting for it to bleed out

random jasper
paper oriole
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well, if they behaved like decent humans, not new york subway humans which is what they act like now

random jasper
paper oriole
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just standing by eating grass watching their friend get his kneecap chewn off lol

random jasper
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hahahaha thats what happens, but as you said

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we wouldnt let that happen

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hence the Herbivore Problem

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which is also accentuated by our bloodlust

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also the whole idea of guarding bodies is ape

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unless you need it or its in ur territory

paper oriole
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hippos guard bodies, elephants do it short-term, but yeah its just people using it as bait for a fight or to grief in the isle

random jasper
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exactly

paper oriole
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i think hippos do it just to be assholes and elephants do stop to mourn fallen members before moving on

random jasper
#

elephants being social animals for sure

paper oriole
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so isle players are hippos in so many ways

random jasper
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intelligent ones too

random jasper
paper oriole
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since this game currently has little value past the deathmatch aspect after afk growing, people are just gonna hang at oasis and mega/mix pack, body guard, spam call, body deny, and all that crazy shit. occasionally it happens outside of oasis too but since the rest of the island is usually a dead zone its just a choice between single-player or moshpit

random jasper
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also please make juvis more viable

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irl juvis arent always weak adults, especially viable juvis like reptiles

paper oriole
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Some animals niche-hop

random jasper
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mammals, sure, but not snakes and monitor lizards and stuff

paper oriole
#

Rex IRL niche-hopped

random jasper
#

exactly; i think there was a study about how young rexes are a whole-ass niche by themselves

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yep

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have young carnos compete with utahs, cannibalism penalties, herbis able to defend themselves (maybe being slower but more powerful) and BOOM, you have a dynamic world

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(that would be for one niche, not all isle)

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(i want em fast herbs)

paper oriole
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Mammals kinda just suck, reptiles tend to pop out much more prepared to fight for survival alone. Even mammal herbivores are often born capable of running while lion cubs are blind balls of meat

random jasper
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hahaha yes

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mammals are high-risk high-reward overall

paper oriole
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Like i could definitely see baby sauropods being leggy and relying on hauling ass before they hit the vulnerable sub stage and eventually the formidable adult stage (brachi at least)

random jasper
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rn all juvies are walking steaks

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for carnis and herbis alike

paper oriole
#

Utah juvie is pretty easy to haul ass with, ive dodged carno groups with it

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But herbivore juvies… you kinda gotta hope your attacker has the IQ and vision of a walnut

random jasper
#

if they added small prey AI to make gameplay fun, i'd love to play young utah

paper oriole
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Diplo juveniles got mad leg game, would be cool niche hop from flight to defense

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For brachi

random jasper
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what if baby tenontos were incredible swimmers? climbers? what if they could store water? IDFK, anything just to make them viable/fun

paper oriole
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I could see them being great swimmers, they dont really strike me for arboreal climbing but i think quadrupeds should be better at terrain scaling than bipeds in general

random jasper
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yeah no tree was idea haha i dont see em as squirrels either

paper oriole
#

Quads like teno, mega, kentro, magy, deino, etc

random jasper
#

making them blend in more works too

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forest-colored baby tenos would immediately make them more viable

paper oriole
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There are so many annoying ass slopes in this game, it would be a nice feature for some animals to be able to scramble up them better

random jasper
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omg i died twice as a utah trying to explore

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got stuck in mountains and rocks wth

paper oriole
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They always cover the slopes/cliffs in the thickest damn foliage

barren zephyr
#

what kind of juvi camo you thinking for baby tenos?

paper oriole
#

The density of the jungles themselves doesnt make them unappealing, its the countless pits, slopes, cliffs and fallen logs

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Probably just better skins

random jasper
paper oriole
#

Luckily the skin system will likely let us make our green and brown birdshit camo skins from legacy again

barren zephyr
random jasper
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could work, if the ground is brown with white-ish dead foliage

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much harder to track

barren zephyr
#

Spots, stripes, or streaks could help break up the body of juvi teno is dense foliage/tall grasses.

random jasper
#

genius

barren zephyr
echo tiger
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Deino will always be invalidated tho no matter how you look at it

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It just doesnt fit

tepid river
#

i really like how the juvie utah's pattern changes as it ages, slowly fading in in spots and splotches, so i'm sure the devs could do it for other juveniles giving them a drastically different pattern

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something like the tegu but a bit more brown would really fit teno babies imo

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limber hull
#

I hope the new skin system allows you to make the hatchling and adult stages kind of different, so you can grow into new colours

tepid river
#

id really hope so tbh

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i hope they keep some part of the old system too where the colors from other species were available, instead of just 'these are only for teno' 'these are only for utah' etc

lavish quail
azure wadi
bold palm
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morning

gloomy sparrow
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im wondering when the big boys are coming for evrima. like t rex so on

bold palm
# azure wadi PoT skin shedding when

anything the do for The Isle will be better than PoT, the more detailed you can get with skins the better imo. I enjoy customizing my character how I want to customize it, granted, keep the lame non realistic colors at bay, but give a wide range of colors with a wide range of areas to modify so we can tailor our characters and not be forced to pick from pre determined templates and I'll be good.

bold palm
gloomy sparrow
bold palm
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ya me too man, i want to play as an apex

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air and land apex would be nice to have

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but i think the goal ultimately is to get all the base functions put into the game, so they can then apply those functions to new content of which should be added to the game rather quickly once the core is complete.

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they make mention of this in the intro when you start the game, but not sure it's at that stage quite yet as they might find the community wants something of which then changes the entire roadmap etc, so just stipulation at this point and yes I'm currently blabbing while I drink my coffee.

gloomy sparrow
bold palm
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no probs

azure wadi
bold palm
#

Well this is the feedback discussion, so hence, discussing skins. If you want to joke, go to #isle-discussion

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in no way shape or form is a joke tolerated in this channel. you will be banned from the internet.

azure wadi
bold palm
#

I'd like to request that PT be able to 1 shot everything.

fallen cargo
#

hypsi can kill with its spit when?

random jasper
lavish quail
#

you gotta collect mangos to shoot it

fallen cargo
lavish quail
#

If you somehow find mushrooms

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It turns into a gas grenade launcher

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that blurs vision and chokes you

fallen cargo
#

yes, i want that in the mod lol

paper oriole
#

Armadillosuchus or desmatosuchus, and prestosuchus are based

echo tiger
#

based

limber hull
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@thin meadow global isn't coming back, and i really don't see how it's necessary for nesting

paper oriole
#

I wont miss the “type A for allo nest uwu i want babus”

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Eggs menu dodges that cringe

limber hull
#

thank god for egg menu

paper oriole
#

I do hope global returns for sandbox but only sandbox

limber hull
#

agreed

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global has no reason NOT to be in sandbox

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it's sandbox for god's sake, there's no real stakes

paper oriole
#

Then all the bird bath servers can be happy and everyone else wont have to see RP in global chat

manic flint
#

Nesting is supposed to work from spawning in right
It's on the character select now right

paper oriole
#

Yeah

manic flint
#

That's how it should be

limber hull
#

"nest invites" between friends can be done without having to spawn in a throwaway para just so you can become the egg of a spino someone spent $10 to play

manic flint
#

No need for global
Global was just complaining to admins and uwutahs

#

Nesting being a way to spawn in is so much better

paper oriole
#

Also wont miss the random nest invites lol those were hazards

manic flint
#

Click on it and click the playable, then there should be a list with the parents' names

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Should be simple, no need for complicated UI

paper oriole
#

I remember taking one out of boredom and it was a maia, once she got a full batch she just started slaughtering the hatchlings she could find and then ran off a cliff. The nest invites looked like group invites at first glance and could easily cost you a several hour grow if you instinctively accepted it

#

Spawn menu eggs are better for so many reasons

limber hull
#

people acting like global was ever any good for the experience are kidding themselves, let's be honest

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unless you were BMing a rex main in sandbox, it had no purpose

manic flint
#

Exactly

paper oriole
#

Global was good entertainment sometimes because of all the salt in it but it had no actual benefit for gameplay unless your gameplay was bird bath simulator

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One thing i liked about global is sometimes a juvie rex would friendly call me and i'd kill it and then see it pop up in global chat calling me slurs or something

limber hull
#

shame, servers i went to had admins not even allowing swears

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i really wanted a juvi rex to call me slurs i hadn't heard of yet

signal beacon
paper oriole
#

Legacy had some shit servers fr

signal beacon
paper oriole
#

Though even a “wtf whyd you kill me stupid ass dibble i was friendly” was pretty amusing

limber hull
#

some shithole called the river den i think, i'm fully banned there now because apparently, interfering with 6 dilos ganging up on a single rex in the middle of the night is just too unfair for the dilos

paper oriole
#

Hunt interruption rules TI_Trollge

limber hull
#

because apparently, in nature, animals have chivalry

signal beacon
paper oriole
#

I don’t get how those servers were so populated with all their trash rules

signal beacon
paper oriole
#

And all the safe zones with like 50 people nesting and talking in global like “hehe shantu babus” “look at the spoon babu :3” makes me sick

signal beacon
#

my eyes have been assulted by * licks toes * in global beofre

paper oriole
#

Dear god

signal beacon
#

i left the game

paper oriole
#

Ive gotten shit like “shows teeth and snarls” in chat from a utah lmao

signal beacon
paper oriole
#

Utahs and rexes always doin that roleplay shit in legacy

signal beacon
bold palm
#

what up playas

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let me guess, more drama, more bs, more whatever the fuck?

paper oriole
#

I guess the weirdos obsessed with wolves and warriorcats gravitate to those two dinos

signal beacon
bold palm
#

yuck

#

i think i just vomitted a little.

#

any patches released on evrima?

signal beacon
limber hull
#

i just want evrima to have all the damn apexes so that no one can EVER tell me whatever the fuck I'm doing is against some dogshit rule

limber hull
bold palm
#

there won't be rules

limber hull
paper oriole
#

I remember IoFT, a “minimal rules”SANDBOX server with hunt interruption, herbi aggression, body down and nesting rules. Global chat was nonstop “ADMIN!!!1!!” “SpinO THERE'S A BODY!!!!”

bold palm
#

unless some server owner wants to make rules, but you won't find me on that server lul.

signal beacon
#

seriously the 3 calls are so loud

paper oriole
#

Utah players want to growl and warp their lips like cringe ass wolves lol and a lot of them have “wolf” “alpha” in their profile

limber hull
#

when mods come out, some motherfucker is going to replace utahs with wolves

#

i can bet money on this fact

bold palm
#

if mods come out

signal beacon
paper oriole
#

Remember the old dire wolf mod

#

Cringe asf

limber hull
# bold palm if mods come out

thank god its an if, i'd rather not see what this community has baking in the back based on what i've seen some of them do and say

signal beacon
paper oriole
bold palm
#

from experience the devs seem to dislike mods or at least they want to make the game how they planned it and maybe let mods in later, but i think they just don't want people fucking with the game. Consistency or something.

signal beacon
#

fuck it a dryo would beat the shit out a lone wolf

paper oriole
#

Some mods like maps and strain mods could be cool but ugh i dont want to see wolves in this game ever

bold palm
#

just let me play as a pig I will own everything.

limber hull
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i'd have to agree with them. Worked with a game with complete and utter support for server plugins that could basically do anything and, as a game designer, it's really not great when a huge chunk of the community thinks that some plugin is a base-game feature

signal beacon
paper oriole
bold palm
# limber hull i'd have to agree with them. Worked with a game with complete and utter support ...

ya plus I'd prefer if the game did not have mods because I like dependability, being able to hop on any server without having to download something or install something. eh, maybe if they implement workshop or make the process easy, but to me it seems messy and they way they've been building on this game, the attention to detail, i just can't see them allowing others to change or completely disregard the amount of effort they put into it with some mod.

signal beacon
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would map mods work?

paper oriole
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I dont see why they shouldnt

bold palm
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maybe map mods

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i'm down for some map selection

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but nothing the team couldn't provide either.

paper oriole
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Also some shitposty mods like giving dinosaurs guns or something would be hilarious in a sandbox deathmatch

bold palm
paper oriole
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Giga wielding a shark that fires lasers

bold palm
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heck yes

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dont' forget we'd need models of dr. evil and mini me

paper oriole
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Plus stuff like that could largely be made with game assets

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Dr evil anky and minmi-me mod

bold palm
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honestly they should make the game a play and earn game and tie it into a custom token. Use NFT's to purchase items etc.

paper oriole
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NFTs TI_Yikes

bold palm
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but honestly i'm not a fan of being able to buy items

limber hull
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there is no way you just said that NFT shit

bold palm
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no there is way, it's logical and makes sense.

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you could earn tokens while playing, use tokens to buy items if they plan items.

limber hull
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yea if you want the Isle to lose literally whatever shred of respect it had left

bold palm
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also you can invest in the coin and the coin could help support the game

limber hull
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motherfucker, if I saw the Isle is doing some NFT shit, fuck QA, I'm jumping ship ASAP

bold palm
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ya I assumed that as well, but Steam is opening up to play to earn games.

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and crypto will become the primary money one day too so there's that.

limber hull
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except NFTs are not only fucking stupid, but they destroy the environment worse than literally any other crypto

bold palm
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i guess I don't understand your hate for NFT's

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it would support the game

limber hull
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it would also make them look like a fuckton of jackasses

bold palm
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i agree they seem stupid

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but for some reason people are buying them

limber hull
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and the community already fucking sees them as a fuckton of jackasses, so adding NFTs to the mix is going to DESTROY them

bold palm
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I wouldn't think that would happen at all

limber hull
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people are buying them, and that minority is being literally mocked by everyone else

bold palm
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I personally would buy the coin and invest in the game, plus it would be nice to get something for all the time I invested.

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NFT is an option, but not something they need to do, they can still implement crypto without NFTs.

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but it would make sense to use The Isle coin to purchase isle assets.

limber hull
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or they could set up any other kind of legitimate donation system that doesn't involve a highly unstable and unpredictable new form of crypto investments that obliterates the environment and has been universally mocked for being one of the most worthless expensive items to ever grace the planet

bold palm
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haha, i think you lost money in crypto.

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you seriously hate it

limber hull
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i have never invested in crypto

bold palm
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haha

limber hull
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i hate NFTs in particular

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not just all crypto

icy lion
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Let's keep this chat on topic

limber hull
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it kind of is on-topic in a weird sense

bold palm
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ok yes sorry @icy lion

icy lion
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Thank you

bold palm
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well it's on topic as we're discussing the implementations with the game, but we kinda went off on our personal opinions of crypto, no worries. pretty sure we can move on from that topic.

tepid river
#

......anyways

the suggestions to put global chat back in- honestly no, the game has done really well without it and its not really all that necessary to have in anymore. how the game moves you from more just chatting as a dinosaur to actually working, traveling, and surviving with just those around you was a good move IMO. personally i think its gotten rid of a lot of the in game toxicity too, because there's no way for people to cry in game because they got killed.

most community servers have discord, honestly i think its better to just use that to chat with everybody on the server either through voice or text, you can always put the overlay on to chat when you have a minute

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i think at the absolute most the game should have a way to more easily talk to the admins currently online and in game, but not every other player online

manic flint
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Global chat was garbage
All it was was people crying to admins, uwutahs and nest invites

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And broke immersion so bad

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The only half decent argument I heard was for large server events but just use discord

barren zephyr
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Why is global chat gone ?

manic flint
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Cause it wasn't what they wanted for the game

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And being able to communicate with any animal for any distance doesn't make any sense

civic tiger
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How are people supposed to find nest fills? At least give a global notice for available eggs or smthng

civic tiger
manic flint
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They don't want it in the game period

manic flint
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It'll probably filter by species just like normal character select

civic tiger
# manic flint It'll probably filter by species just like normal character select

I dont mind that too much. Still would be nice if it were accessible to you without having to die first, just kind of makes it a pain to have to kill yourself just to see if there are any interesting nest invites... Honestly I'd like it more if it were visible somehow at any point so you can join a nest when an interesting one comes up. It will be a pain to fill nests if only the few people in the loading menu will even see your invite

manic flint
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It would just be the same thing as spawning in. Do you want to be born in a nest? Check availability in the nest menu. No nests? Spawn in as a juvie like normal.
That's how I envision it anyway

civic tiger
# manic flint It would just be the same thing as spawning in. Do you want to be born in a nest...

Yeah but what if you're already playing and would like to be nested? You'd have to kill yourself just to see what nests are available. What if there aren't any? Or aren't any you like? You just killed your dinosaur and have to restart on a new one, all cause you wanted to check for a nest. Not to mention, for people trying to nest, how many people are ever viewing the loading screen at once? If the invites are only visible there, will take forever to get nesters

manic flint
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Why would you spawn in as a juvie and then decide you want to spawn in as a baby in a nest?

civic tiger
manic flint
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?

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I'm not sure I'm understanding your point

civic tiger
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Having 206 hours on legacy, there were countless times I took a nest invite as a full adult dino?

civic tiger
manic flint
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I guess so

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They will definitely find a way to solve that though

civic tiger
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Sometimes you get bored with the Dino you're playing and decide you might wanna try a baby, but if there's no nests for species you like, you'd prefer to continue as the adult yknow?

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Yeah hopefully

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It wouldn't be too bad to have a toggleable menu available. Some small icon you can open that shows available nests. Or something when you click esc

unborn lance
manic flint
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They don't want it in the game period. It doesn't fit what they want for the game so why would they keep it? It's like them keeping legacy even when all the players move over to Evrima

unborn lance
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If somebody doesn't want a global chat just go to a server that has it disabled. What's wrong with having options?

limber hull
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or

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we could make global on every sandbox server

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and make it absent for every survival server

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best of both worlds, and global gets to be where it fits best

unborn lance
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Okay but what if you want global in a survival server? Make it a toggle. It will be up to the server owners what they choose. There will always be the official servers which act as a clean slate of the game. When it comes to multiplayer games like this I think owners need more choice over how they want their servers to work. Anywhere from casual, realism, default, anywhere in between. More configs are always welcomed.

urban flax
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@oblique crown Wtf
When I read your suggestion I was like "meh that's useless"
Then I listened to the sounds and I realized how cool it was
Now I'm absolutely convinced we need this

oblique crown
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Yes, especially for Dilo it gives the isle a horror atmospheric touch

barren zephyr
spark canyon
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Is update 5 not coming out till May? Seems so far away

spark canyon
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Update 5 will have nesting and skins I think.

ebon geyser
barren zephyr
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and oviraptor...right?

outer sphinx
subtle ruin
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its too early to talk about the next update. There are still a lot of server issues and diet problems to fix first.

barren zephyr
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Just keep egg invites to the creature select screen simple as that

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See which eggs are available to be taken

outer sphinx
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should you be able to see as what dino you will spawn as?

lavish quail
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Just have the ablity to see a list of all nests

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And then you can chose which one you want

barren zephyr
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Yeah a list of what creatures are available for eggs and which players are the parents incase your trying to find a friend or something

lavish quail
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Also a reject system for the parents

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Incase they only want a friend

fallen cargo
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itd be neat if you pressed insert or whatever you use to see the players online and you can see who has a nest with egg ready and if you have your nest private it wont show up on the screen

urban flax
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@barren zephyr Troodon venom is exhausting, dilo venom has been confirmed to cause hallucinations

manic flint
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Troodon venom will drain stam, dilo venom will cause hallucinations

paper oriole
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holy shit that disease idea sounds so cancer, it can only come from one with a deep and salty hatred for herbivores

manic flint
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Ah yes another "make herbivores weak and make trolling easy" suggestion

paper oriole
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gotta save that one to my archives

manic flint
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My guy probably ran into a herd of tenos as a carno and got mad when he died

paper oriole
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probably went to oasis where all the cancer happens and got salty when he walked in to his own death

outer sphinx
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god i have just been flabergasted by that feedback

manic flint
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Like
What is that suggestion
The 'bring back Global' suggestions are better somehow

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And why would it be specific to herbivores that makes even less sense

paper oriole
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at least global has some entertainment value, but this is just trollbait from a salty carni supremacist

manic flint
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Yea

paper oriole
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carno megapacks and utah megapacks used to be a big problem too but didnt see any whining from that guy about it

outer sphinx
manic flint
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And a 50% mortality rate on an already RNG mechanic wtf

paper oriole
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he wants free food

manic flint
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This tops the list for worst suggestion I've seen

paper oriole
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lol make it so the dead bodies infect anybody who eats them TI_Wheeze

manic flint
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This sounds like my stupid shower thought of how to deal with mixpacks
Which looking back was really abusable and stupid

paper oriole
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give everybody dino smallpox and wipe the island challenge

manic flint
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Actually
Just play hypsi
Get sick
And run around getting everyone else sick

paper oriole
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literally lmao

manic flint
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If that was a mechanic that's what would happen

paper oriole
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@wind geyser what's going through your head, man

manic flint
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Anti-Herbi propoganda

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That's what

bold palm
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there probably won't be a solid solution, but there can be good ones.

paper oriole
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all megapack solutions ive heard ideas for have loopholes that can be exploited

bold palm
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and how fun would making everyone sick be but more than once or twice and if you mitigate that by giving an easy way to cure sickness well

manic flint
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The problem for giant herds should be they run out of diet food

But diets aren't spread out yet so

paper oriole
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if curing sickness was easy it would just be a minor annoyance and not solve the issue anyway

bold palm
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exactly, and around and around we go

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fix that problem a new one is there

outer sphinx
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yall remember that human poison idea? this is just that basically TI_Wheeze

bold palm
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it's the human factor, humans are always finding loopholes and exploits.

manic flint
paper oriole
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i hate being in a herd because people never stfu and there's always idiots who friendly fire, but i wouldnt want groups to be screwed over like this

paper oriole
bold palm
outer sphinx
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someone made a feedback to give humans poison but it was rare, and kept going to try to think how its viable

bold palm
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i'm like stop giving my location away.

manic flint
paper oriole
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they literally gave no reasons except "well people already troll in this game so why not" but kept defending that shit for so long

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without giving any actual useful reasons for that mechanic

manic flint
outer sphinx
bold palm
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well we could always make a pack...

manic flint
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Apparently with the new camera having a group will be necessary

bold palm
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same play styles etc

paper oriole
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i cant even stand being with one person sometimes because they always talk in chat and walk right next to me with their big fat weapon tail in my face just waiting for a misfire or as a pt they fly way too damn close

bold palm
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but ya random packs suck

manic flint
bold palm
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lack of educate.

paper oriole
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sometimes i group with somebody and theyre the kind of person who spam calls at deinos or 3 calls everything and im like bro stfu lmao

manic flint
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Like
3 call when you see a carno to alert your group mates but don't spam it lmao

paper oriole
manic flint
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I'm usually playing teno so we keep our to tails away from eachother

paper oriole
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i grouped with a pt who kept trying to have useless ass conversations nonstop and spam 3 called some deinos and i just feel embarassed to be near them

manic flint
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But I'm not going back until oasis isn't a cesspool
According to Kissen the cesspool oasis was intentional to see if diets would work

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And now I hope they get spread out

paper oriole
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"let's test if diets work by implementing them in one of the worst ways possible" good idea devs

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i want to know wh placed the damn mushrom nodes

manic flint
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If the diet food was spread out actual migrations could happen and the game would become so much better

bold palm
manic flint
paper oriole
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diet food shuld be all over its designated biome, not spread in chunks

manic flint
paper oriole
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diet food should be spread like warm butter, not cold chunky butter

manic flint
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I don't want to see an amalgam of creatures
Seeing a herd of dinos should be a suprise, not an expectation

manic flint
outer sphinx
paper oriole
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also im still pissed at mountain ash, why tf is it a swamp plant

paper oriole
manic flint
paper oriole
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mountain ash could easily just be replaced with pond apple

outer sphinx
manic flint
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Isn't that the thing those beaver looking things eat
Not beavers but that other semi-aquatic mammal
That is invasive in America I think?

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Nutria

paper oriole
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personally i also wish herbi diets were more vague. a favourite food, but then the bulk of their diet would be separated in to families liek cucurbits, legumes, berries, treefruit

manic flint
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I would also like it if there always more than 1 kind of plant per
Like with carnivores

paper oriole
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because pumpkins and horned melons are both closely related plants so why shouldnt a pachy be able to eat both

manic flint
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True

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Pachy should be a mountain creature, not a coastal one imo

paper oriole
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pachy could be like
favourite food: coconuts

other preferences:
cucurbits
succulents

manic flint
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Probably would need explanation for idiots like me

bold palm
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dependable locations that could slowly migrate clockwise separated by a set distance from each other requiring migration. forgive the crude drawing.

crude-example-diets.png
paper oriole
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all three of these foods are rich in water too, i wish plants gave varying amounts of water. fresh bodies should give water too

manic flint
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I made one a while ago for teno
A slow migration in a triangle

paper oriole
bold palm
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the locations would migrate.

outer sphinx
manic flint
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Not a hotspot but biome wise

bold palm
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not set

manic flint
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Imo the further into a biome you go the more food from that bike there should be

paper oriole
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i want to be able to explore freely and be able to find food along the way rather than be hard-pushed to travel to a moving hotspot

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i like exploring, i like moving, but when i am forced to go somewhere it makes me lose interest

wind geyser
outer sphinx
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the only thing entertaining in the game ussually other thna combat was the exploration, so needing to look for it without any certainty that you will find enough is enticing, as long as you have no clear direction/ location given

paper oriole
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Lmao colombus dino

manic flint
bold palm
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regardless of food spawns, the biomes would be set I would imagine.

manic flint
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There should just be a general area with the food in it

paper oriole
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Biomes are set, but people shouldnt be forced in to a region

bold palm
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you're going to have to go to some spots for your diets and my graphic was not to express set location. I imagine that whole triangle moving the food around in the biomes, but providing enough space between to initiate migration to attain diets.

wind geyser
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again make small dinos immune so they cant troll, anything else could get headbutted or thagomized

outer sphinx
wind geyser
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or eaten by predators preferably

bold palm
manic flint
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What if it's a fellow dino of the same species
And dying half the time is dumb
And making you super weak is also dumb and bad for gameplay
Yea it happens irl but from a gameplay perspective would it really be any fun?

bold palm
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could also implement breeding in AI.

wind geyser
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if the sick guy is weak should be an easy kill

bold palm
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to help spread live prey around randomly.

outer sphinx
bold palm
manic flint
outer sphinx
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like ngl i just had that idea but it would be quite good ngl, hypsi has feathers and a tree climber, the perfect bee dino

bold palm
outer sphinx
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also black and yellow...

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Dondi lied to us, hypsi is just a mega bee

manic flint
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They build nests in trees...

wind geyser
outer sphinx
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...a game theory!

manic flint
wind geyser
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how when you can kill them

manic flint
outer sphinx
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what? that hypsi is a bee or smth?

manic flint
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No
The tree nesting

outer sphinx
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oh that, ye, they are the defacto tree herbis, and second after herra as a whole, and prob unlike herra they can nest in trees

manic flint
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How many tree animals do we have?
Herrara, hypsi, juvie megalania maybe

outer sphinx
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maybe juvie utah...

bold palm
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died of starvation gain

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😐 wonder when they will fix the AI.

paper oriole
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No they want you go to to oasis and beg on your knees for mercy and corpse scraps from the local pachy mafia

warm flame
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the isle gameplay

paper oriole
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The isle, survive it

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(You will not survive it)

bold palm
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  1. Drinking is bugged still, you drink but doesn't add water, you have to go deeper to get it to work or stop and start again sometimes works, but still bugged.
  2. Eating is bugged, the spot where you can initiate eating is not lined up with the animal in most cases, it stops you from eating randomly it seems and in my case just now the 1 AI I did find, bugged out and i could only eat half of it.
  3. AI seems like it should spawn, the locations are present, but nothing spawns in at most of the locations after restart and when it does it's totally random it seems, seems to work ok in some spots of the map, like South pond the schooling fish spawn in that pond regularly, so maybe schooling fish is working and elite fish is working, but the others need some adjustments?, but most everywhere else it fails or it's just setup this way, in either case, no idea what the deal is...
icy lion
thin meadow
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So why are people so against having global chat back in evrima? Didn't realize so many people hated it

bold palm
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mix packing, annoying, unnecessary (discord), location reveal etc etc

thin meadow
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Most servers have rules against that though. And what about herbies? Not everyone has discord.

bold palm
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no rules

thin meadow
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Yea but not everyone wants to voice chat all the time. I know I don't

bold palm
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you can type in discord instead

thin meadow
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Not to mention, you can easily switch to group chat and not have to look at global chat

bold palm
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you could

paper oriole
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herds should generally be single species unless you want to go through the trouble of using discord and accomodating diets if that shit ever gets fixed. i dont think they want big mixxed herds to be easy like they were in legacy

thin meadow
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Why would I write on a seperate screen (not everyone has two screens btw) when i could just write it in-game? XD

bold palm
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i honestly don't care

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🙂

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those are just some of the reasons I've heard

thin meadow
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I almost get those reasons but I don't quite. Discord is great for vc but sucks for typing. Just makes it a lot harder than it needs to be I'd think

paper oriole
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thats probably what they want

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if its harder, then less people will do it

thin meadow
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Most servers prevent all those things from happening anyway (mix packing, location dropping etc etc)

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Why wouldn't they want people talking with others in an mmo though?

paper oriole
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despite their horrible decisions with oasis and diet food distribution, they seem to want to eliminate bird bath gameplay

thin meadow
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I guess I get that but I don't agree with it personally

paper oriole
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its a survival game, not a social game. i hope global comes back for sandbox, because thats a totally different game mode, but it isnt supposed to be a chatroom in survival

thin meadow
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Hm, that's valid. But isn't ark the same way too?

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Grant it...I play Ark by myself on my own, lonely private server so idk how global works. I think they have a global chat though right?

paper oriole
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i suppose, but ark is all humans unless youre using mods

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rather than competing and set species/factions who are supposed to behave in different ways

thin meadow
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That's true. But in the end, we're humans playing dinos so some form of communication should exist I'd think. How would we invite people to our nests once that comes out?

paper oriole
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there is a nest list inactive in the menu rn

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i assume they'll make use of that

thin meadow
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Oooh that's right. I forgot about that. But that involves being in the character selection screen to use

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So you can't just poof out of existence like you can in legacy I guess. Which kinda sucks. But guess they're Beasts of Bermuda-ing it

paper oriole
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true, if they could have a tab similar to the server roster tab in legacy that listed public nest advertisements that would be cool

thin meadow
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I agree, that's really all I need tbh lol

paper oriole
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if people in private nests could invite steam friends it would be a nice feature as well

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since that would also limit it to friends and not sending out random invites to annoy people like what legacy had

thin meadow
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That's true too. I just feel a global chat is nice because it also gives people a way of helping new players or announcing a rule was/is being broken. I'm curious how it'll all work.

paper oriole
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for rule breaks an admin chat would be nice, idk about helping new players though ig discord is always there

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or the option to go to a sandbox server if that server setup has global when it returns

thin meadow
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It's true. Discord is a nice tool but also sucks to have to use that on another screen and make yourself vulnerable to attack while you're typing

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Oh yea that would be nice

bold palm
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idea for herbies guarding bodies, they could have a zone around a dead body that would disable attacks, this way you could easily go in and eat the body. Then have a 15 second cool down once body is gone, enough time for everyone to split away.