#general-feedback-discussion

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thorny lynx
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I'm afraid to play the update because of the debuffs and slower growth from not following your diet. Aaa.

calm granite
manic sun
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get isle'd TI_Troll

worn pumice
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the isle

calm granite
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holy fuck wtf is pounce rn

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its op asf

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i ran the rat into a tree and it didnt get off

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and a rock, what am i doing wrong, its phases through stuff lmao

ashen elm
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It's definitely making me miss wallowing on mud banks.

calm granite
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nonono watch this shit

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i didnt buck cuz i wanted to see if it was fixed

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didnt get the rock clip

limber hull
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utah buff

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viable animal

calm granite
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what a joke

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at the end there i couldnt bite either lol

limber hull
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i think the point is to encourage bucking

ashen elm
calm granite
limber hull
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i mean, it was kinda silly how easy it was to dispose of raptors

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bucking was essentially a forgotten feature

manic flint
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You cant knock Utah's off on rocks anymore?

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That-
Pounce has become 1000x better now

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I'm worried that without mud at riverbanks we might actually bleed out

calm granite
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yeah its so broken lol

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i got to check if bushes work

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tho i was in the jungle with the rat on me for quite some time

manic flint
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Did they fix the water bug too?
If so Utah is actually good

limber hull
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yea the fixed the water thing

manic flint
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Damn
Now you actually need to buck
Utah is actually good
That's scary cause of the lack of mud

calm granite
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bro wtf is pounce maaaan...

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i couldnt even buck..

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wave we need ur help, u have the voice

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its depressing 😦

limber hull
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that utah looks comically big on that carno

calm granite
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yes

limber hull
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idk whats going on with that buck tho, seems it refuses to loop for you

worn pumice
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the tree should knock it off right

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thats a palm tree

limber hull
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it doesn't anymore

worn pumice
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unless its changed

limber hull
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utahs just do not care

worn pumice
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ok

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so what actually works

limber hull
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and honestly, no clue if its intended or not

limber hull
worn pumice
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trees should still be a thing tho

limber hull
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some dude wrote a fucking list of how to get rid of them

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idk, tree scraping kinda made utah a joke imho

worn pumice
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i think running at max speed at a tree to scrape it off seems reasonable

limber hull
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yea but i also think because of trees, literally no one ever uses buck

worn pumice
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i mean maybe but most people would use bucking and trees

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thats what i saw at least

calm granite
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utah big busted rn

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have to deal with this for another 3 months

cyan flame
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Give it a week or two at least, and we'll see. Let people get used to the new changes and all. If utah ends up being too good again, it should be noticable with a lack of other playables and mass amount of utahs everwhere, like carno earlier.

limber hull
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i honestly don't think utah will be that good. The thing is still squishy as all hell

worn pumice
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still tho i dont see why running max speed at trees doesnt knock em

calm granite
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^

limber hull
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max speed is a very loose term

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because each animal has different speed

calm granite
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carno max speed is during its charge no?

limber hull
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technically

cyan flame
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Max speed for the animal in question would work? More so, if you're at a run, it works, while trot or walk or just "rub" does not.

calm granite
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dude i face tanked 3 stego tail swips as carno

cyan flame
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Anyway, not even sure they can implement that right now, no idea if they can change pounce interactions depending on speed of the pounced critter :p

calm granite
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stegos acting like they big sh*t

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smh

cyan flame
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I do think the pounce change with the terrain was unneccesary, since it already did not knock them down but "only" staggered them, if even that (not actually sure, I've seen some weird stuff, but then servers do as they will so could be that). But again, we'll see in a week or two how well this goes. No doubt it'll be unbalanced in some manner, it's the Isle after all ^^

calm granite
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this patch is PogBlue

calm granite
worn pumice
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The isle TI_Troll

calm granite
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bro this game rn lmaooo

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are people using vpn or sum?

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i have plenty more clips within a day of this patch

worn pumice
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idk

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seems like server lag honestly but

lethal quartz
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can't ignore it anymore

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this game is broken on a fundamental level

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doubt the "recode" really recoded the entire game

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and it was just a case of them salvaging whatever old legacy code they could.

frozen heron
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Why would they want to salvage blueprints

calm granite
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L update

dapper mirage
# calm granite

Idk if you played the mechanic test branch before the update went live, but that was an issue then too.

They just do not care to fix anything in a game where your hours are at stake lol

calm granite
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yeah just posting them cuz y not

snow valve
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welp I updated the game with its over 7GB and it was all for nothing., still cant get into the Menu screen.

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at this point I dont know what to do anymore.

real bison
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anyone else still getting bugged and stuck as ptera? fall from something and cant fly bug/ pickup a piece of meat and all controls are frozen

lavish quail
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Feels good ya know

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Feedback channel is back from update takes too long or game bad

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It’s now its previous mildly good ideas and bug reporting for lazy people

paper oriole
lyric spoke
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im not sure what the hubub is about ive had really good hitreg and servers are really stable now it seems

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havent seen any kind of desync described and shown here

fallen cargo
paper oriole
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I feel as though removing large bush clusters for nocturnals will change the meta to “log off at night” again

barren zephyr
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Eh, not much you can do about that. Rather make room in the server for people who actually want to play at night instead of just having everyone hide and do nothing

scenic berry
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you were right. I found it 🙂 But I'm still thinking the location I originally screenshotted is missing something similar.

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signal beacon
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@dapper mirage Jace is actually working on a complete overhaul of the map iirc.

barren zephyr
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i mean i like the aspect of not knowing where the fuck youre going half the time as long as its consistent for everybody, update 2s map was like a maze even for people for with 2000000 hours unless they were at or following a landmark to a hotspot, which made it actually fun to explore and play in, because it wasnt like winning the lottery to find someone exploring the same part of jungle as you

either way its obvious this new map is pretty not great and needs a rework

signal beacon
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The introduction of deino ruined the map. They had to get rid of a lot of nice areas to make room for a shit ton of rivers

barren zephyr
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deino wouldve been fine in update 2s map TI_TenontoCry

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rivers to traverse in, 2 swamps and several smaller ponds, and areas they need to go on land to reach, making them not borderline invincible

signal beacon
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"NOOOO1@11!!1 I NEED THR MAP TO BE 90% RIVER SO I CA. ONE SHOT EVERYTHING EASIER!!!!"

barren zephyr
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meanwhile deino players being murked by stegos still even though the map is made up of 99% water

limber hull
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its why everyone is pressured to certain map areas

signal beacon
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I just loathe the fact that you can lose hours of work because haha funni deino press right click

barren zephyr
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well not separate rivers but they stretch incredibly far, and only having one watersource available outside of the rivers is a little cringe

limber hull
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there's actually 3 but one is a puddle and one is

the hidden pond

barren zephyr
limber hull
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i love the hidden pond but first of all, it's completely separate from literally everything and has very little food near it

barren zephyr
limber hull
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puddle is on beach

barren zephyr
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😶

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maybe readily available watersource was the right word

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because like 2% of players probably drink at those two spots in their entire lifetime

signal beacon
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Once baby deinos have a predator you will see like 4 or 5 adults because almost none of deino's playerbase can actually survive if they have any threat

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Deino cannibalism doesn't really work cause people just keep forming deino megapacks and taking like 7 babys in at a time

barren zephyr
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There should be special food or ai at night

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To incentivize to keep prowling around even if you're not nocturnal

lavish quail
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Isn’t there the same food

polar siren
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so i have a question

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will the humans have guns

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and how OP would they be

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since if they have like snipers its prob gonna ruin the game

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i feel like they should only have bows spears stuff like that

outer sphinx
# polar siren will the humans have guns

punch just said they will be very rudementary so just movement and built upon on down the line, we have no clue what they will get, not even the devs arent sure yet to what level they want to give them weapons, or so kissen says

polar siren
outer sphinx
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ik

polar siren
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im scared

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i dont wanna get 360 no scoped while be a carno

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😂

outer sphinx
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why, this isnt cod, not doom, theres a common thought that humans will get infinite ammo, ap rounds with dragons breath 12 guage full auto aa12 and ac130 calls

this is the most stupid mindset, the desv said they arent doing that, its a survival game not a pvp fps, think tarkov if you are interested in what type of experience it will be as thats one game the devs are taking influence from

polar siren
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since adding humans

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makes a lot of changes

outer sphinx
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this isnt a sci fi game to that degree, no laser bs etc, also tribals will come much later down the line so that will bring that experience

polar siren
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if humans cant do anything

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when there first made

outer sphinx
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and humans get modern gear like guns, cars, etc simple modern gear, nothing crazy

polar siren
lavish quail
outer sphinx
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i bet when you spawn you get a knife, a flashlight and (my idea) an empty map and the more you scavange, fix a base etc you get better loot and ammo

lavish quail
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I wanna fix bases

polar siren
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i wonder how that shot system is gonna work

outer sphinx
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prob hitscan

lavish quail
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I want tents to be on the table so you can make a base anyway

polar siren
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how would a dino get a bullet out of it

lavish quail
outer sphinx
lavish quail
cunning anvil
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I really dony understand how the devs put a damn huge pond with shallow parts in the middle of the map

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I even think someone proposed it and the other guy said without thinking a whole minute yeah do it. it would be fun.

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it is so game breaking for deinos

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now that land dwellers are in the diet

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no one comes to drink, the whole river and lake system needs a huge overhaul

outer sphinx
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@lavish quail i've said this before so i'll say it again, juvies need to be better thna the adults in one of 3 aspects, burrow, climbing and swimming, so for teno has same swim speed as adult or a bit more and can also submerge to eat underwater plants if we/when we get them, or like utah, it can climb trees when younger but not that good but enough so it can escape, dryo cold be a good burrower when small but the more it grows it looses that ability and becomes a nightime herbi and so on for all dinos that arent apex or lack the benefit of beeing a high tier creature

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so either enhanced version of the adult in its gimmick, so better climber for hypsi, better swimmer for teno or a once of the 3 abilities mentioned that the adult lacks

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so cera for ex could also be a better swimmer than the adults

manic flint
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Baby megalania should be a climber

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Adults should not be able to

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For example

outer sphinx
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yep, and the bigger it gest its looses that to become a burrower

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its should be gradual so not just sudden

manic flint
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Komodos do that irl too so that's neat

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They've started doing this
By giving juvies godlike stamina

outer sphinx
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could also go much more indepth, like juvie climbes very well and sub swimms and then adult buurrow (or flip juvie and sub) for mega

manic flint
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Perhaps

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Should tie into diets

outer sphinx
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we absolutely need dynamic diets

manic flint
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Baby komodos eat eggs and birds
Adults eat large mammals

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Another good example
Rex

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Young rex should go after dryo and Galli
The small, fast guys
Subs move onto ceratopsians and Ankylosaurus

maiden anvil
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And adult rexes goes for shants and trikes

manic flint
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Utahs from dryo's to tenos and stegos

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Lots of options

signal beacon
# polar siren i dont wanna get 360 no scoped while be a carno

Iirc the time period the isle takes place in they dont have shit like ak 47 12 gage shot guns and shit. I see them having stuff like at the most a hunting rifle or musket. And normally having Gear like a hunting knife and maybe a snake gun or something

outer sphinx
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TI_GalliConfusion the game is set in the contemporan era

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you may be thinking of smth else

signal beacon
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Damn

manic flint
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They said no big weapons
So there will be no easy way to down a large dino without wasting all your gear and making a shit ton of noise

signal beacon
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If cera gets thick skin then it may have the same kinda things bears do where they get shot and dont. Fucking. Care.

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Itd be hilarious to watch

polar siren
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oh is it coming

signal beacon
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Pfft

polar siren
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in the update with humans?

signal beacon
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No

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Sadly

polar siren
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oh

manic flint
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Soonish tho
It's one of the 3 animals being worked on rn

outer sphinx
manic flint
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Bullets should only really be used on like
Utahs, pachy's and troodons
They gotta hide from everything else

signal beacon
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The 10+ utah pack one calling in celebration after they kill a single merc

outer sphinx
outer sphinx
manic flint
signal beacon
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Humans try to get an orange for some food and get kicked to death by a dryo

manic flint
signal beacon
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Humans diets should consist of fruits, occasional herbs, and animal ai.

manic flint
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Potato

outer sphinx
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humans just scavange and maybe eat fruits

manic flint
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Gives me an excuse to smash em with meh teno

signal beacon
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Finding fruit to eat as a human will be hard cause they cant smell it

outer sphinx
manic flint
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True

outer sphinx
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plus dinos dont have skin, they have scales or smth like that

manic flint
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450kg or so vs 310

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And dinos have scales or feathers or both so

stray holly
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I just wanna hit a Rex with an RPG

urban flax
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It's unlikely that we're getting RPGs in The Isle

manic flint
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We won't

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Too big
Not fair for most of the cast

urban flax
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Also completely useless
Can't be used for self defence because you'd die in the explosion
Projectile is way slower than a bullet (and I assume less precise too) so the only things you can hit are the ones that can't outrun you

signal beacon
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Deino if rpg

stray holly
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Nah I think we’ll get it

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Dondi the type to add it

paper oriole
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@river tundra those symbols correlate to the three hexagons next to your hunger bar, filling all three gives you negligible bonuses, if the hexagons are all empty you get punished with reduced stat and increased grow time. It is for diets

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And I think the yellow star means theres a herd or some shit

barren zephyr
tepid gate
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@heady quarry it's not a matter of "getting used to it". I can assure you of that. I've played Evrima since it came out in June 2020 and it hardly got better with time. The damage screens are just extremely nebulous and unclear. Especially new players tend to run away after receiving and damage in my experience because they seem to think that they're about to die when in reality they've lost only like 20% of their health.

heady quarry
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Yeah I’ve definitely had that issue several times now.. wish we could have more clear damage indication

tepid gate
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Idk if it's intentional, but I've made been commenting as to how we need a overhaul of the damage screens back in the days of update 1 and update 2. I have no idea if devs view this as an issue though or if the lack of clarity is intentional.

lethal quartz
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so uh, anyone else think the scent icons for diet plants should disappear from your menu if the plant is completely used up for the time being?

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also, there should be a visual indication that the plant is used up/fully eaten, or it should just disappear from your scent menu altogether until it rejuvenates its food percentage.

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when I first started playing pachy I came across like 5 agave plants that showed up on scent bar, but couldn't eat or have access to.

idle ibex
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update 4 is honestly kind of fun, other than the performance that they have to make better

cedar pulsar
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yeah ive been enjoying it

idle ibex
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do wonder if pachy has to be at some age to headbutt tho, while I was trying I didn’t manage to grow one past 50 due to me dying in plains constantly.

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and the right click headbutt didn’t do anything

cedar pulsar
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its a charge up thing, better to use if your running at somethin

warm oar
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Good evening,

I have major performance problems with the game, is this normal? (RTX 3080, R7 3700x, 16gb ram under windows 11)

paper geyser
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yep, optimisation isn't the best with the game right now, nothing wrong with your pc

manic flint
idle ibex
limber hull
calm granite
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please add river side wallow man..

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i got bled out nothing i could do

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and the stam regen when bleeding is atrocious

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AND MAKE BUCK WORKKKK

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utah is absolutely busted rn man

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cant knock it offf and you cant even fucking buck, i was full stam

paper oriole
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Oh how the turns have tabled with utah

calm granite
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seeth

manic flint
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Reintroduce river wallowing
Maybe just make it bit as good as mud pools or smth

manic flint
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Utah scraping was kinda busted for the poor things
But now cause of the lack of mud there's no counterplay

limber hull
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oh ffs its the raptor stan asking for raptor buffs even tho utah is in a powerful spot atm

barren zephyr
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Raptor is fine

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In terms of viability

limber hull
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absolutely is

barren zephyr
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Even though I'd like more previous update 3 elements

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I'm just not a fan of how combat works rn

limber hull
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i've found the new update pretty rewarding in terms of combat

barren zephyr
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It's ehhhh

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The skill ceiling has been lowered

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It's mostly dependent on special abilities rather than every ability playing a role in the tool kit consistently

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Teno/Stego attacks is the only time where that should be the case
Defensive Heavy counter based dinos

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Pachy too

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My issue is that brawling isn't as engaging

north laurel
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idk where to ask this but was tenos tail slap range just absolutely killed or something

paper oriole
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is this guy asking for more utah buffs after all it got this patch? lawd

barren zephyr
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I think it was in the patch notes

barren zephyr
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One shot pouncing things isn't my cup of tea

paper oriole
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idk wtf this guy means when he calls pounce "punishing" for the utah when they removed 2 tactics that were previously used to counter it and broke the third

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the water tactic made sense to be removed, good riddance to it, but the other two RIP

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pounce is less punishing to raptors than it ever has been

barren zephyr
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Ehh

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There's still missed pounce animation

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Update 2 pounce was the least punishing

paper oriole
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thats 100% player fault

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didnt update 2 still have obstacle scraping and water exploiting

barren zephyr
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It did, but you could rev up pounces like a chainsaw

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So you could always disengage and keep spamming

paper oriole
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then the only "punishment" left is the utah player being bad

limber hull
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update 2 was insanity

paper oriole
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so this guy is nuts

north laurel
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god almighty tenoto actually just got blasted into the ground with nerfs

limber hull
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not really

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teno is still very valid as an animal

barren zephyr
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How is Teno nerfed?

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Does it take a million headshots to kill a Carno?

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The Aken guy suggested to nerf the damage output

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But to make it work is to compensate with more stam

limber hull
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damage reduction is alongside health reduction to nearly all animals

north laurel
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in update 4 all its attacks got nerfed and attacks drain even more stamina

paper oriole
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aken wants teno and carno to be a 50 50 or some shit even though carno has an engagement advantage

barren zephyr
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Yeah lmao

limber hull
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carno controls the fight

paper oriole
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people who think a slow ass herbivore should be 50 50 with a fast ass carnivore baffle me

north laurel
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teno isnt very slow but--

paper oriole
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in comparison

barren zephyr
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I see his point with Teno slamming down Carno in one combo, but I believe the slower should always have combat advantage

limber hull
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unless the teno is near water, it fully controls what angle it attacks from, when it attacks, if it wants to continue fighting and if it wants to leave, etc

cyan flame
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Do carno alt attack do more damage than normal these days? Not sure on it and deino, utah still does more damage with alt, right?

barren zephyr
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No outliers, no exceptions

barren zephyr
limber hull
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carno has always got an advantage in the form of combat control, unless the specific scenario of an available water source is near

barren zephyr
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Both are brawlers

limber hull
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cera teno 50/50 makes a lot more sense

cyan flame
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It depends on how teno should behave vs a carno really

paper oriole
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cera wont be the fastest shit on the island, it will probably be around teno speed so it should be more even. carno should get whooped straight to hell if it messes up because it chooses if the fight happens at all

limber hull
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especially since it's very likely they will both be slower on land, decent swimmers and primarily brawl-focused

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they HAVE to fight if one picks a fight

cyan flame
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You could make teno "run" from a carno though, sort of

barren zephyr
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Right, Carno is a speed demon as well
They don't have the luxury to brawl like Cera/Allo

paper oriole
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tenonto is a brawler, so why should it be running from a faster ambush predator of the same tier

north laurel
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as the game stands dinosaurs are either powerless or have no competition and they take over the server

barren zephyr
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How can it run even?
Carno blitzes everything
Even Galli, the fastest herbi

paper oriole
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idk why they fuck with tenonto so much when it was the most balanced animal for so long

cyan flame
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I'm not saying it should, just that with the teno tailslam being CC, you could make it work and have teno be a fighting retreat sort of fighter in the case of a carno matchup. But it might make more sense vs a cerato perhaps.

limber hull
north laurel
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at least until more dinosaurs are added

barren zephyr
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Apparently too well

paper oriole
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if we turn herbivore brawlers in to bonk and run away there will be nothing putting obnoxious overpopulated predators in check

north laurel
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dog i struggled to kill a juvenile deino that was on land with my tenoto because my attacks were doing nothing to him as an adult

cyan flame
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If the herbi runs away, the carni starves? :p

paper oriole
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an herbivore defending itself "to well" translates to it requiring using your brain to fight it which is too much for most carno mains

paper oriole
barren zephyr
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Ai is easy to farm
And cough center

limber hull
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also, in my experience, pachy either needs a buff or better players, because I've been killing so fucking many as utah

barren zephyr
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This game is on easy mode and at the same time infuriating because of the map

barren zephyr
paper oriole
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brawlers should be putting down their assailants and making sure they dont come back for seconds, not knocking them once upside the head and scurrying off like a chicken shit because people think herbivores cant be violent

barren zephyr
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They buffed it for the wrong reasons, in the wrong way

north laurel
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tenotos rear attacks seem pointless too bc they seem to only hit right at your ankles

barren zephyr
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I'd be in favour of removing the kick

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Doesn't do much
And repurposing it would give it too much tools

cyan flame
# paper oriole brawlers should be putting down their assailants and making sure they dont come ...

Did I at any point say something like that, or even oppose that tenos can fight? :p No, all I said was that you could make it so teno can "bonk and run away", being that it has a great tool to keep distance/deter a predator while also running away. Now, I'm fine with teno smacking carno around, being that carno is supposed to hunt things that are rather small, and teno does come in almost as big as a carno.

cyan flame
barren zephyr
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Nah
I have a different idea

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Remove the kick, replace it with a heavy tail slam like in the concept art
That'll be the most powerful attack in it's arsenal
The normal tail slam can be nerfed and be it's main attack

cyan flame
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But why? :p

north laurel
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just fix the tail slams hitbox and put the damage back so that tenos arent just putting tiny papercuts on things half its size

barren zephyr
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I think it'd be more dynamic, and be make more sense if Teno will have a oneshot ability for smalls

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It could be charged up like Pachy's ram
Indicating that the attack is coming

cyan flame
barren zephyr
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Timing it right, you'll always have an edge over anything Carno-like
Less skilled players and we'll compromise to more of Aken's akin "50/50"

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I'm just in favour of trying to make this game more skilled as much as possible

cyan flame
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Thing is, pachy works frontwise, not sure teno tailslam would be half as effective?

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Unless you meant the whole turn around and slam in front? :p

barren zephyr
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Slam back and sideways

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Teno can still turn while charged

cyan flame
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Ah okay, yeah then it could work. Still, seems a little bit of a waste to not have the kick at all. Could rework the current tailslam according to that and still have the kick do something as well I think.

barren zephyr
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The nature of kick doesn't make it engaging enough even if it did something like fracture or more damage.

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It's shorter range just doesn't make it optimal

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Still iffy on the Utah pounce thing

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One shot pouncing is lame, makes me have to play more on the lines of something like Pachy or Teno

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Winning the encounter from landing one special ability

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Rather than working for it

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Bring down the pounce a bit

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Increase bite damage or bleed

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I play Utah specifically for the reason of being challenged and overcoming greater odds

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When I wanna wreck shit, I play Pachy or Teno

cyan flame
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Even if you did, why use bite when pounce would still most likely be the better option?

outer sphinx
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bite should just help keep the bleed not be the main tool

cyan flame
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I agree and disagree, but then I want a complete rework on how utahs hunt :p

manic flint
limber hull
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just standard/alt-bite

barren zephyr
cyan flame
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Oh, well that sounds more like it might be a bit on the pachies, but it could be due to being able to move with the altbite now making it just outright better than normal bite?

barren zephyr
cyan flame
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@limber hullAlso, if the info is public somewhere, could you remind me which altbites does increased damage and which doesn't?

barren zephyr
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One shot pouncing creatures with it will get old
For both me and the players afflicted by it

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It's personally just not working for me, it turns off the appeal

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Especially since it's an offensive based creature

cyan flame
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Shouldn't this go for all critters really. Sounds like it'd be fun in general, not just for utahs. But you know, I'd like for you to describe a hunt to me, if you can be bothered to :p Curious to see how you envision it all ingame and all that.

barren zephyr
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Say, if I get a pounce on someone, a larger creature in an ambush
From there I can skewer the oppressive odds by a bit. If I play off those odds. I can turn a normally not good matchup into a feasible one by keep putting pressure on maintaining my gaining odds

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Slipping up for a moment should end me quickly

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But if I do succeed in constant pressure, I can overcome the challenge

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There would be an upper limit of course. Not advocating to solo apexes

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But that's the whole reason for why I play Utah, akin to a rogue or a swift dexterity based class.

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When there's less of a challenge to succeed, and non existing feasibility for this rule. I'm immediately turned off from this creature's prior appeal

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It just plays more of like everything else, and that's a shame

cyan flame
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I think I get what you're after, but maybe I'm missing something, because it sounds like you could, at least in theory, still do this with pounce itself? And I'm.. not sure thinking of the critters in terms of classes like that, even if it's just as a reference, is accurate for the game. Even as it stands, pounce isn't a one-shot so you still have to keep the pressure up, even if one pounce might bleed something out if it doesn't get to rest, that still requires your constant attention?

barren zephyr
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Mmm

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Not so much right now

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It's too overtuned, and the bite to upkeep the bleed feels negligible

faint delta
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Any idea why isnit always night at evrima?

barren zephyr
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It also feels unclear and vague(ig to do away with "metas" which is a really dumb take)

tepid gate
# paper oriole aken wants teno and carno to be a 50 50 or some shit even though carno has an en...

Except it doesn't if you play Tenonto where it's supposed to be played. I haven't had a single engagement that I didn't choose as Tenonto last time I've played it - why? Because I played it near water where it's meant to reside. Stop with this nonsense, if you're trotting about in the plains where Carno is supposed to be and you're far away from the water you should run the risk of getting killed.

paper oriole
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Oh boy here we go again

tepid gate
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This match up should be 50/50, it's between a smaller herbivore that(at least is supposed to) has a shorter growth time than the carnivore. The idea that Tenonto should have double the damage output of Carno is just ludicrous.

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Yea, here we go again with people defending the damage output of a 1.6t animal being as high as it is.

paper oriole
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“If i lock myself in a single biome then i can swim away!!1!” Yeah except 1. That biome houses deinos who will oneshot you and 2. You have to venture away from it for food sometimes because the devs put food in stupid ass places. It is in the same tier, it is slower, it is a brawler. It should have the melee advantage, period

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Carno isnt a brawler and it is the fastest piece of shit on the island

tepid gate
outer sphinx
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the mindset that every water is infested with deinos is dumb, i have swam in trough many rivers and waters

tepid gate
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^

outer sphinx
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let go of early u3, its no longer like that

low canopy
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what a pointless argument, teno needs to be able to either outbrawl carno or flee from it by inflicting bone break of sorts

tepid gate
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I literally never got munched by a Deino aside from one instance in update 3 where I literally tried to fight an adult Deino as Tenonto

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this whole argument is absolute nonsense

paper oriole
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Carnos are still wailing their idiot heads off on every corner of the map and killing shit clearly shows that they arent suffering. And yes not every bit of water is deino infested but a lot of it is

outer sphinx
tepid gate
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Well I specifically went out of my way to try to fight Deinos as a Tenonto on that patch so there was no surprise that I died to them at some point

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The idea that "Carno is the fastest one" is also hardly relevant since it also has the lowest stamina pool in the game, if it runs for a bit you can absolutely kill it as a Tenonto.

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If you get to water it cannot follow you at all

outer sphinx
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fast but not agile*

tepid gate
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not agile and with the slowest acceleration in the game

outer sphinx
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the rest of the roster either has much better agility, speed boosts like teno or huge health like stego/deino

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so beeing the fastest only gets you so far

tepid gate
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The fight between a Tenonto and a Carno should be close to 50/50, perhaps slightly in favour of Tenonto not "I double your damage output while also applying CC"

outer sphinx
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the one that imo should be 50/50 is cera v teno as both are brawlers with water preferences

tepid gate
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GL with Cerato surviving a combo from Tenonto with this damage output

outer sphinx
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not like cera will have much higher damage to carno and also be a brawler

tepid gate
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unless they give it some additional damage reduction from incoming attacks or crowd control resistance this animal will fall apart like a house of cards when the dumb iguanodontid hits it with a single CC

limber hull
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it could potentially have damage resist like pachy does to its head

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pachy takes less damage to head than body, which is unlike the rest of the roster

crisp topaz
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I feel like either my computer all of a sudden can't run the isle, or the fixes they've done on FPS have done nothing.

barren zephyr
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50/50 matchups are only fair when looking at combat

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When you factor in engagement control
The odds aren't as even as they seem

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A speed based predator shouldn't be perplexed it may be challenged when facing a brawler

stray holly
tepid gate
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Carno should absolutely be challenged(which it is) when facing a Tenonto, it's Tenonto that shouldn't be perplexed when it gets challenged by Carno which is an animal that has a longer base growth time and is larger than it.

crisp topaz
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Are they putting all the AI spawners inside of the dense jungles? Where I can't even see my own dinosaur let alone hunt AI? I've been playing for 2 hours and keep dying of starvation or other players that are bigger than me and for a diet system that makes you rely on these things, an abandoned island seems very lacking in an abundant ecosystem. There should be chickens eating on roots and deers and goats everywhere, occasional boars but like... I see none of these. Just big ass Carnos roaring in the distance. Must be nice.

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I'll even go into these dense jungle areas and just sit and listen, waiting for something to happen and NOTHING. I killed a frog I guess that counts?

calm granite
manic sun
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the 50/50 rules sucks shit tbh since everything usually runs around in groups

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however teno vs carno is currently a 55/45 for the carno imo

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at least I'd say that from the last fight I just had

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actually 60/40 for the carno if I think about it

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but it was my first time playing teno so maybe I should keep that in mind

outer sphinx
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teno is a brawler, in itself that means it has a high skill ceiling compared to carno

manic sun
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yup teno defenitely takes way more skill to play, carno mainly is just positioning and when to ram

calm granite
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true

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someone said pachy aiming is easy, not when im at 10fps, lag, desync

outer sphinx
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well that sounds like a you problem not pachys

calm granite
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current game state is the game problem

ebon geyser
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also harder when the animal youre trying to hit is 14 km faster than you

outer sphinx
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i've played for a bit and there was no desync, lag, and i had great fps for my gpu

calm granite
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no way bro nice 3k pc

manic sun
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balance has never been as good as now, stego still has some issues but there is only the lag and fps as a problem rn

outer sphinx
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yeas with my gtx970 TI_dondiSmile

calm granite
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show me a clip of u being at south with 10 dinos

manic sun
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can't even play the game with no shadows on a gtx1660

ebon geyser
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i dont get what was fundementally wrong with riverside wallowing...

outer sphinx
ebon geyser
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super boring

calm granite
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preach

outer sphinx
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both where bad as beeing extremes, we need a balance of the 2, not to common but not rare as fuck so they are pointless

modern schooner
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@snow kiln There are unofficial servers if the official ones are full

snow kiln
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There is?

sand lantern
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Anyone think humans having prox voice chat would be a good idea?

limber hull
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yea, the devs do

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they're adding it to them

snow kiln
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Is the qa with humans public? Can't look for myself it's kinda late 😂

lyric spoke
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they couldve stuck the landing with this update by making sure the ai respawn

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same problem from 3.7 they respawn once after each restart then never again, or never at all in the first place

calm granite
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did they add the body fracture buff? seems like it doesnt exist lol

rustic canyon
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has anyone had their dino deleted after a fatal error crash?

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extremely frustrating...

barren zephyr
weak dune
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Do dinos not drown from stam loss anymore?

lyric spoke
weak dune
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Yeah my utah doesn't drown either lol

lyric spoke
paper oriole
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I have not once seen an “unkillable” herd in center, and carnis are free to go anywhere including center which is incredibly easy to find. The issue with herbi diets is they are a boring and repetitive chore no matter where they are placed, it still boils down to running in a triangle for 3 boring plants.

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The only herbi species i ever see grouped up in numbers surpassing 3 at center are pachies that are usually aggro to other herbies regardless of diet

low canopy
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i do find it hilarious to focus on "managing land creature populations", ignoring the fact that u got a bunch of adult deinos doing fuck all and not contributing to the game in anyway since they are untouchable and therefore not worth interacting with

urban flax
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@barren zephyr Not everything needs to be written in latin in order to look good
If anything, it will make things less clear

barren zephyr
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ok fair enough I suppose

paper oriole
paper oriole
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Tenonto tail swipe? Wtf lmao

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Yeah maybe if it wants to break its tail and/or knock itself over

minor reef
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@tepid river
I agree with most of what you said. We need WAY more water on the map, and a couple ponds with a lake or two would be nice we well. Herbie plants can grow at these water sources and some AI spawns would be nice too! I'd personally like a much bigger swamp but that's just me. Either way, more water means deinos aren't all stuck together and can spread out across the map. Honestly, this would benefit everybody.

paper oriole
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Titanboa eating mid tiers? maybe the juvie ones TI_Wheeze

minor reef
paper oriole
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It was like a couple feet thick and it couldnt unhinge its jaw like a modern boa

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It was more like a big elephant trunk snake

minor reef
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It was 50+ feet and it would be bigger than the ingame deinosuchus. Actually, it COULD unhinge its jaw, so it would be able to eat mid tiers till apexes are added, deinosuchus included. Apparently eating large crocodiles would be enough to feed the snake for pretty much a whole year.

paper oriole
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Longer =/= bigger

minor reef
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Semantics. It was a thick snake, but it had a length to go with it. Three feet thick and fifty feet long, this thing used to eat turtles that were 5 and a half feet thick. That's a huge bloody snake

lavish quail
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@hollow mauve grazing only gives you food up to 20% and it doesn’t give you nutritional values. That would be dumb, if you want your diet food go to where it says to find it, so basically centre

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@minor reef deino is a crocodile

hollow mauve
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I was less than 20%, thanks. I ran around the entirety of center, the only place food nodes spawn are within a stones throw of South spawn, which is dense with other players. What I've found is that most of the map is empty, and we're being forced to very specific spots, which is absurd. Don't say food can be found in biomes, then have those biomes be empty unless you're in a specific part of the map.

lavish quail
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Wait brb I got an image

hollow mauve
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There just isn't.. I ran around the entire South/East edge of center and found nothing

lavish quail
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Have these

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Just need to upload on this mountainside

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Don’t trust me on the second one idk where I got that from

paper oriole
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crocodile or alligator, titanboa would be a free spaghetti dinner for adult deinosuchus

clever thorn
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@barren zephyr just because you cant aim is it nessesary that there comes autoaim yeah man thats the best way to do it. Mabey dont play Hypsi then if even aiming at a 8 Meter long Crocodile is to hard for you. Man i rly hope that you dont play any Shooters 😄 ANd if there was Autoaim it would be still Useless because a Hypsi is a trolling Dino nothing else you spit at someone they get a little blind for 30 Seconds and thats it your not gonna kill anyone with it.

dim umbra
# hollow mauve I was less than 20%, thanks. I ran around the entirety of center, the only place...

I had the Same expierence as you. I played Herbie 3 Times now, even hypsy once, and I could find nothing in my diet while running around for at least 1h. I don't Know the map, but I should still be able to find things ob my diet at least after 30minutes.
Idk this constantly runing and moving makes the Game ubplayable for me because you have no time to actually pay attention of what ist surrounding you. I couldn't even socialice because they needed other diets and we had to part ways after Meeting...
It's Not helping that you can't get coconuts untin a certain grow stage even If it is your Diet food... Or that you get punished greatly for Not having it while finding it is abaolute balistic

urban flax
hollow mauve
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Dryo, teno, or hypsi then? Dryo is nothing but food, Hypsi's don't grow so not much of a draw, and Tenos were just gutted.

dim umbra
urban flax
dim umbra
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And also pachy.

urban flax
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I agree finding coconuts is hard as a baby pachy, but the rest is easy. And no, I didn't spend 400 hours on the game to learn the map by hard, I discovered update 4 yesterday

hollow mauve
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The point is there's not much of a draw to play herbos because food sources are hard to come by, which makes carnos food sources hard to come by since they removed AI dinos for the time being. Game just seems to be in a real shit state right now.

dim umbra
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Unfortunatly it was hard for me when I played three different dinosaurs. Idk but it should be possible to find diet food after 1h in my opinion

urban flax
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I didn't have much trouble growing a utah nor ptera either, and I didn't try carno nor deino because I hate them

shell willow
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Ptera is the most fun with diets, if you're playing on the coast right after a restart. Otherwise I think utah and pachy are the best carni/herbi to play with the way things are rn.
All of pachy's foods are present in the outer edges of center (except agave, which is slightly inward). Utah can hide in bushes and fill up on literally anything to last it to adulthood really. Ptera can fly so it's not hard to get a good view of everything and find what you need.

urban flax
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If anything, the fact you start with around 15% hunger and 0 nutrients is a bit harsh and makes you rely on luck in order to be able to start playing

clever thorn
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The game is in a Shit state right now. Deinos have to Cannibalise because nothing has to drink at the River anymore because theres Shallow water and The new Pond for some weird reason. I rly would love to understand the logic behind it putting a pond there

dim umbra
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I will try my luck with ptera then. Thank you for the imput 💯

urban flax
dim umbra
hollow mauve
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The fact that we're essentially relegated to Pteras, or struggle to maintain a perfect diet is nuts.

clever thorn
hollow mauve
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Not even a perfect diet.. struggle to not starve on other carnos beside pteras

urban flax
clever thorn
hollow mauve
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Yeah deino gameplay is just mind numbing

clever thorn
urban flax
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Yet some people enjoy it somehow

clever thorn
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everybody enjoys something that other ppl dont enjoy thats live 😄

dim umbra
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Idk for me it really only is the fact that it is kinda hard to find the diet food. And you have to be Stressed about it all the time. Like you have nearly No Time to Just enjoy the Game. Inteeactions are a pain because you actually can't unless you want to lose time finding your nutrient. It feels like runing a marathon all the time

urban flax
dim umbra
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It is really nice that you are enjoying the Game and i really wish I didn't feel that way but for me it's Not fun right now

shell willow
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Deino is waterlocked but still has dietary requirements, which means after 50% growth you're going to seriously struggle making it to full adulthood, especially with so much cannibalism. If you feel bad for baby deinos and don't have the heart to eat them, you won't make it too far.
Tenonto got kinda curbed with its combat nerf, but its diets are still rough to fulfill.
Dryo is nothing but running in giant loops for food and then getting 2-shot by a utah.
Hypsi is the same as dryo but with more jumping and screaming.

so yeah ptera, pachy, and utah are the best things to play atm, but i would say ptera is by far the easiest and most fun, with utah in second place and pachy in third

hollow mauve
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The pachy just mainly feels like shit right now because bleeds are so effective and finding a place to wallow is neigh impossible

urban flax
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What diets would need to be really enjoyable would be more diverse options for herbis (like at least 2 plants for each nutrients) and a complete rework of carnivore diets, using meat quality and gore system instead of needing to kill specific species

urban flax
hollow mauve
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But you can't do a thing to 2-3 Utahs working together.

urban flax
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You can parry pounces

hollow mauve
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You can't parry bites..? All they have to do is maintain a bleed. Which, again, is very easy considering wallowing takes so long IF you manage to find a mudhole

urban flax
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Also numbers are always a big problem for game balance, any playable becomes overpowered when there's two of them against a single enemy

urban flax
hollow mauve
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I played for 5 hours earlier on multiple pachy runs and found no other pachys.. the draw to play them is seemingly gone. Carnos essentially have to pvp right now because there's no AI dino spawns. So you're left to play a herbo and hope to find friends quickly, or do the same on a utah/carnosaur. The only species to play solo feasibly is ptera, and that's just silly.

urban flax
crude girder
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I pretty easily found a group of 2 other pachy when I was a juvi, by the time we reached adult, we were able to go around taking on packs of 6-8 Utahraptors with relative ease

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If you can't find others, then yeah you're gonna get outnumbered and swarmed, but in a 1v1 Pachy easily stomps, and even a few Pachy turns the tide strongly in its favor

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Not really a fair comparison tho to say that 1 animal can't easily deal with 5 other ones

urban flax
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For me, Pachy's main weakness is framerate drops
Which prevents you to time headbutts effectively

hollow mauve
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Oh I managed to full grow one, as well, once I finally accepted that I have to stay in a very specific part of the map, which is another issue.. I saw no other Pachy's, one Teno, and one Stego at Oasis, which is typically always packed with herbos mixpacking with Utahs. It was sparce, and the carnivores that were there were attacking everything on sight, which I can't blame them for as they were probably starving. The lack of AI, the restricted food spawns, and new bleed buff have made this update hard to play, let alone enjoy.

crude girder
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Which bleed buff are you talking about?

hollow mauve
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The blood pool has been decreased for all species across the board in Update 4.

outer sphinx
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ye thats nerf

crude girder
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I wouldn't really call that a buff since their health was also decreased across the board

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Cause they've been like that basically the entire mechanic test, if not the entire thing

hollow mauve
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I'm confused.. It's easier to bleed out now. My calling it a buff was directed at Utahs since they use hit and run tactics.

crude girder
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It's at best an indirect buff, you wouldn't say the universal hp reduction was a buff to all attacks would you?

hollow mauve
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You can't wallow anywhere but mudpits now, too.. so you're mostly left to sit and heal from a bleed.

outer sphinx
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like utah got nerfed like everybody in that sense so not like its the sole benefitor of it

hollow mauve
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If they didn't reduce the bite dmg, then a universal hp reduction would be a buff to attacks, yes.

crude girder
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Pachy uniquely is weak to bleed since it gets worse when you move, and Pachy is a constant motion machine

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Bleed specifically didn't really get buffed any more than normal attacks did

urban flax
crude girder
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Since both health and blood were changed on every animal, if we are saying bleed got buffed, than so did regular damage

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and if anything, utahraptor got flat nerfed

hollow mauve
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I'm not sure how to help you understand.. if they reduced the blood pool on all species, reduced the health pool on all species, and made it to where you can only wallow in specific spots, then bleed damage was buffed.

crude girder
outer sphinx
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bleed damage wasnt buffed, only its effectiveness

hollow mauve
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lmao

outer sphinx
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bleed is the same as in 3.5

hollow mauve
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i never specified dmg

outer sphinx
hollow mauve
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Are you purposefully being pedantic?

crude girder
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It's not even that, bleed is unchanged, the animal's blood pools dropping universally I don't think is really a buff to bleed damage considering nearly every bleed dealing attack got nerfed

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I think the only ones that didn't get nerfed was Stego's jab and Deino's bite

hollow mauve
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Okay but you just said that bleeds to the same amount of damage

outer sphinx
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bc they do

crude girder
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Carno's bites got nerfed, Utah's attacks got nerfed, and Stego/Deino still do negligible bleed, so it doesn't really matter since they kill with raw damage

hollow mauve
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So it's harder to stop bleeds, and easier to bleed out due to the HP and blood pool being reduced.. how is that not a buff to bleeds?

outer sphinx
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only the amount of health they have to go trough got nerfed

crude girder
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You also take less bleed damage nearly universally, which is a nerf

hollow mauve
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They didn't change bleed dmg.

crude girder
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the only exceptions still don't do enough bleed to be dangerous

outer sphinx
crude girder
crude girder
outer sphinx
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interesting, didnt know that

crude girder
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Pretty sure it was mentioned in the 2.5/3.0 changes for pounce

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something something proportion of raw damage to bleed blah blah

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but yeah, if you cut Deino's raw damage in half, you cut its bleed in half

outer sphinx
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oh that, thought it was smth in u4

hollow mauve
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Look.. if you're blood pool runs out, you take a set amount of damage. It's harder to stop bleeds, everyone has a smaller blood pool and less health, therefore bleeds got buffed.

minor reef
crude girder
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Everyone is also doing less bleed damage tho, arguably more than the reduced bleed pools are going to buff it

calm granite
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they still have yet to buff body fracture

crude girder
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The wallowing is really the only point I agree with, it being limited so much makes bleeding more dangerous, however after 3.5, wallowing was never really vital

hollow mauve
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That's exactly what i said lmao

outer sphinx
crude girder
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since movement affecting bleed was introduced the same patch, which is way more impactful than the wallow buff, which got nerfed

crude girder
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And the nerfs to its other attacks result in overall less damage, and less bleed damage

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hollow mauve
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That's basically negated, though. The scary part about bleeding isn't the damage done while you still have a blood pool, it's the damage you take when your blood pool is gone

crude girder
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You don't take damage when your blood pool is gone, you just die

calm granite
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talking about how op blood is?

hollow mauve
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EXACTLY

calm granite
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shit is a joke

crude girder
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but the thing is, you can drastically reduce the taken bleed damage by limiting movement and not sprinting around like a chicken with its head cut off

hollow mauve
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Then what?

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If you dont move you just keep getting bitten

crude girder
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smack the Utah when it comes in, they have to come to you

hollow mauve
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Your argument is so strange

low canopy
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point is to punish your would be bleeder when they move in to attack

calm granite
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u cant out skill bleed, unless the utah makes a mistake which is impossible

hollow mauve
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Even if you smack the utah around a bit, odds are you're gonna bleed out. It's silly.

crude girder
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My argument is based on my experience so far, I've never died to bleed because I just stand still and then hit them when they run in. Sometimes I'll walk or trot slightly to mess up their positioning, but going with the defensive wall approach is very effective

urban flax
calm granite
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pachy bleeds to 50% when it bucks lol

crude girder
outer sphinx
low canopy
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do you know for certain that walk even does anything

crude girder
urban flax
crude girder
calm granite
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i just stand and charge

outer sphinx
crude girder
urban flax
outer sphinx
crude girder
calm granite
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and the stam regen is aids when 30% bleed

crude girder
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All regen is slowed when you lose blood, that's its primary effect

calm granite
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yes, sux theres no way to counter play it but hope the utah messes up

crude girder
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Bleeder hits you and makes you run around to lower blood and waste stamina --> backs off --> you're now weak --> it does it again

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I mean there is always "Hit the Utahraptor"

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and/or avoid the pounce

calm granite
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just hit it?

crude girder
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I mean if they are running at you, predict their movement and bonk them if you can

calm granite
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not with desync

outer sphinx
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utah is frail, it cant sustain any significant damage

crude girder
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if you cannot, just dodge since pounce moves in a straight line, and then come at them from another side

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Desync can be decreased to a point by playing on less laggy servers, but beyond that its a server problem, not a balance one

outer sphinx
urban flax
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I just had an epiphany
Once modding is available for evrima, I'll make a mod that replaces the pachy charge hit sound with the meme bonk

calm granite
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i literally took down a full adult pachy as a 70% utah, nearly killed a stego at 80%

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with one other utah that was also 80%

crude girder
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Sounds like the Pachy wasn't playing too well, since taking a Utah is heavily in their favor

outer sphinx
crude girder
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just land an alt attack and they die/get a fracture from a followup ram and then die

calm granite
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just

crude girder
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Pachy's alt attack has a huge hitbox and its kinda spammable, so you can just kind look at them and mash and usually it works

outer sphinx
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alt is super effective for how low stam it costs

calm granite
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pachy drops to 70% bleed from a 2 second pounce, its seriously a joke

outer sphinx
calm granite
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and they have yet to buff body fracture which does absolutely nothin rn

crude girder
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Body fracture does actually do something

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also, dodging pounce is not at all hard with something as agile as Pachy

calm granite
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it is when the game gets fps drops and lag spikes

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being bit from 3 feet away isnt fun

crude girder
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Personally I haven't had any such desyncs playing on the NA servers

calm granite
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but go on about body fracture

crude girder
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Body fracture increases stamina costs for all stamina based abilities, this is impactful enough to allow you to pretty easily run down a target with a body fracture if you can stay on them, since drastically decreases their sprint time, and for Utahraptor, this also cuts their pounce time dramatically

outer sphinx
crude girder
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As for FPS drops, I've maintained a stable 40fps at minimum, with a usual amount of about 80 or so

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I'm running a 1080 for GPU and an i7 for CPU

calm granite
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weird, doesnt seem toi work for me

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i killed a pachy with body fracture, pounced it even

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did nothing

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really seems useless idk

outer sphinx
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bad pachy ig... it may be hard to notice the effect of body fractures

crude girder
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Trust me, if you line up 2 animals one with body fractures one without and compare, you'll see the difference

calm granite
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i did that lol

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nothing is diff

crude girder
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So that's cap as I literally had to check it on both the public and human branches

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as in: That is my 'job' [not paid but shut], to make sure they are working

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so body fracture is working, I guess you're just missing its effects

calm granite
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noppers

crude girder
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since if you did line up an animal with a broken body and one without, had them both perform and stamina based action side by side, you'd see the animal with the body fracture rapidly tire in comparison

calm granite
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nope

crude girder
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care to verify that then?

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If you have proof that body fractures are not working, please submit a bug report so it can be fixed

calm granite
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ill need to ask my friend if he has the video

crude girder
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since as far as I can verify, they are working

calm granite
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i think he uploaded it

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one sec

crude girder
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Just to run through the checklist

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1: You and the test subject have to be the same size, as growth effects stamina consumption (smaller animals run for longer)

calm granite
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welp

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ill have to look in our discord for the clips

crude girder
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Can you verify you were both exactly the same growth?

calm granite
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yes

crude girder
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and that growth was what?

calm granite
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we tested cahrge too

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100%

crude girder
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As Carno?

calm granite
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my bad headbutt*

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we even found a bug

crude girder
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Ram's stamina consumption will fluctuate based on level of charge

calm granite
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but its fixed now

crude girder
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so you have to make sure you charged it the same amount if you were using that to check

calm granite
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we tapped it

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and held

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sad i dont have the darn clips

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even so i think it still needs a buff tbh

crude girder
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Its def the weakest of the three, tho it's already kinda powerful. Getting a body fracture easily let my Pachy run down any Utah that tried to escape, they burned out of their stam pretty quick and were helpless once I got in

fallen cargo
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Yeah, I even noticed that the pachys were gaining on me, only way my Utah survived was the fact they can't track footprints which let me slip away into the forest

hollow mauve
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So pachy synopsis: Play like a bitch until FG, then stand and fight when attacked.

barren zephyr
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@tired bolt if you know what you're doing as utah you can pretty easily take on a pachy, maybe even 2 if they're dumb, 3 bites to bleed one out if it keeps running with you, and the way fractures are working right now gives you incredible leeway a lot of the time even if you're knocked to the floor. And in terms of growing utah doesnt have to be picky until halfway through its growth and still eating before 50% just gets you there with not much effort

steel flower
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@tired bolt there's this thing called a "pounce" that a Utah can do. Bleeds out a Pachy in a matter of seconds if you pounce it even just for a little bit. But I guess you can't spam bite it to death and need to actually use precision to kill it so that means Pachy is op.

paper oriole
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Ah, another case of “This herbivore is capable of defending itself against me, nerf it immediately!”. Islecord never surprises

barren zephyr
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also forgets that utah as a heavy pack animal should already come with a slight 1v1 disadvantage, which it doesnt even really have, if anything a good utah vs a good pachy will pretty much always end in the utah winning

steel flower
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Pachy's blood pool collapses in on itself if a Utah even looks at it funny

barren zephyr
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actually thats a lie, utahs disadvantage is its general brittleness, which is even worse because when a fully charged ram can still end in a utah running away most of the time theres a problem

barren zephyr
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pachy when utah within 500 mile radius

paper oriole
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Pachy like “reject evrima rework, return to legacy blood bag niche”

barren zephyr
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the only thing stopping more pachys dying to utahs is the lack of brains that they usually have

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@chrome tendon

paper oriole
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I kicked a baby raptor in the face and killed it instantly as a merc and i do not want that golden experience stolen from me

barren zephyr
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if you ever cant do that theres a problem

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kicking an animal that small anywhere with a kick as fast as that is gonna break a lot and kill it

lavish quail
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@chrome tendon wut are you on about

paper oriole
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I also killed like 4 compies that came to eat the body

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Merc gameplay is top tier rn

lavish quail
paper oriole
lavish quail
barren zephyr
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i mean i agree with keeping them out of the way for now after the test so they can keep working on them slowly outside of it all as they give us updates we actually want, but like bro?

paper oriole
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I hope you will soon be able to share the experience of kicking a hypsi in the head 3 times and killing it

lavish quail
barren zephyr
lavish quail
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Have you not seen that clip yet? It’s reposted more than a meme on Reddit

barren zephyr
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no

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im not a redditor 🤓

paper oriole
barren zephyr
paper oriole
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Mercs the true apexes

lavish quail
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I’m gonna watch some more videos on them hoping for more jumpscares

barren zephyr
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merc better than boar AI

paper oriole
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I almost killed a dumb adult utah player with it too because he kept pounce spamming and missing for what felt like several minutes

barren zephyr
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me and another guy were in a big group of humans chilling with a pachy, we almost killed it when it sat down because it didnt get up until we'd both kicked it like 10 times

paper oriole
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Merc pack hunter gameplay

barren zephyr
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im making a shitpost including stuff like that because

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i have nothing better to do

lavish quail
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Humans should get mafias with Tommy guns

calm granite
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🤨

lavish quail
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Boys this pachy didn’t pay his protection fee, you know the drill

calm granite
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utah after landing a 3 second pounce on pachy

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calm granite
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@peak quail The spark is fart cloud, the thing where u can sniff out herds n stuff. yellow is non preferred, green is preferred food.

formal hazel
calm granite
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soys

lavish quail
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@tall oasis be willin’

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Wait chemistry mocks oh yeah

tall oasis
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i am ready to get banned for my speedrun

lavish quail
tall oasis
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bye

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i be banned now

tall oasis
barren zephyr
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🥰

tall oasis
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thank you

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you know, am just bored...

manic knoll
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lol

tall oasis
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I have been a part of this server for a long time... this server and game just feels... incompetent

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just the server and game for me lacks "fun"

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which is why i am done with all this bs

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... And attempting a ban speedrun!

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without hurting anyone... except cringe

paper oriole
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No selfies!!!¡!!1!!

honest sparrow
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What a champion

barren zephyr
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There he goes 😔

limber hull
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didnt even get banned

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just got muted

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smh

calm granite
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servers are bussin

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@limber hull how much does a full charge pachy do both still and sprinting?

limber hull
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uh

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idk, like 200 damage i think

west wyvern
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I’m ignorant to how this stuff works, but would there be a way to make both legacy and evrima playable without having to download one or the other? Like 2 separate games?

polar nimbus
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Yes @west wyvern

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Download the legacy branch go to your steam folder rename the entire "The Isle" folder to something else, go to steam download evirma and when you want to play one or the other go back into the files rename it back to The Isle and switch the beta version on or off on steam

west wyvern
limber hull
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@gray loom already a thing

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bigger animals take more fall damage atm

gray loom
limber hull
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i find baby raptor survives falls I'd think it would absolutely die from otherwise

worn pumice
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dont forget that even the small animals in the game weigh a lot

calm granite
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i rem sliding so far down a hill and living as a utah

frail prawn
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Pachies dont need any changes, its strong in herds and vulnerable when alone, thats called balanced. Utah is like that as well unless your just a godly player or something and dont need no pack/herd.

calm granite
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body fracture isnt that good tho

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needs buff

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also, pachy can easily be killed even in a group. trust me ive done it

frail prawn
# calm granite also, pachy can easily be killed even in a group. trust me ive done it

I've seen pachy groups completely demolish utahs and even sometimes carno, Pachies are mostly vulnerable when they are stuck in the animation of missing a headbutt and that alone is what gives predators time for a counter attack, but a group of pachies can easily defend each other, they are tho indeed extremely vulnerable against carnos but just about most things are when it comes to carnos.

frail prawn
limber hull
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@urban flax actually very good idea, much better than just kitting them out with tons of shit then saying "they need ammo otherwise they die!!"

urban flax
paper oriole
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Did his guy really just say utah pounce is useless rn

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Also the ai isnt even hard to kill as juvi, it just has shitty spawns

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I killed 2 boars as an almost-subadult juvie and killed a turtle and deer as a small juvie and carnivores dont even need to be picky at that stage

torn apex
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Humans are ganking the deinos

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Peace in our time

paper oriole
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That is beautiful

torn apex
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It is perfect

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Some would say, divine intervention

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humans hardcounter deinos
this is perfect

paper oriole
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I am happier with mercs than i ever thought id be

torn apex
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give them sharp pokey things and then the waters will be safe once more

paper oriole
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I kicked a few player dinos to death but i haven’t tried on a deino yet, gotta put that on my to-do list

torn apex
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target the crocodiles

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death to them all, spare the others

paper oriole
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We will make boots of them

torn apex
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and purses

paper oriole
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Make deinosuchus skin boots and then kick more deinosuchus to death with those boots

torn apex
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y e s

paper oriole
torn apex
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PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT

lavish quail
limber hull
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i like how people say deino is hardcountered by humans but also think it's a good idea to attack a human immediately after spawning

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you guys do know you only have to be 170kg to be able to drown and kill a human

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and only need a biteforce of 85 to kill one instantly with a bite

paper oriole
limber hull
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like i figured out how to counter humans guys

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dont attack them 2 seconds after spawning as deino and just stay in the water lmao

lavish quail
# paper oriole Relatable

Stop making me jealous! My pc isn’t getting its new part until Thursday! I wanna shitstomp baby’s TI_Cry

lavish quail
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Before

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limber hull
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dead by daylight meme

paper oriole
limber hull
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:(

lavish quail
limber hull
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i do like how people say humans are OP yet they yield to literally any adult animal

paper oriole
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I almost killed an adult utah but it was a very dumb one

lavish quail
limber hull
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also just spawned in as deino. This thing starts off only 40kg away from being able to instantly merk a merc

lavish quail
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Still my favourite clip

trim hearth
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guys i need help

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i have this bug since a year and it just does not go away.

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i caint open the menu with ESC. and i dont know why.

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i deinstalled the game and instaled it back. nothing

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i deleted the game file

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nothing

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i wanna know how to change it back to the origanal way

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does anyone has an idea?

paper oriole
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Herbis probably sit around in bushes because their gameplay cycle is boring as fuck and making them dry up like a fish out of water so they have to hug a river wont remedy the root problem

limber hull
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also having animals like stegos and pachys dehydrate faster seems horrid

paper oriole
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Silverfox is probavly a croc main

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Only reason they could make such an egregious suggestion lmao

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@bold palm you a deino main?

urban flax
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Herbis needing twice as much water as carnis just because xD

paper oriole
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I think this is the same guy who suggested that carnis can use water for food grazing too

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Like get food from drinking. Insanity

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I get that deino is pretty lackluster right now but his idea is just TI_Yikes

urban flax
paper oriole
limber hull
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ahahaha

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deino needs more, i agree, but don't fuck over herbis

tepid river
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making it so we actually had to cross rivers for once instead of being able to just go back and forth from center plains to the swamp to find literally anything as an herbi would be a lot better a solution to deino not being able to catch land creatures as frequently as it needs, a map change would work better

paper oriole
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I dont want to have to interrupt my travels every 5 minutes to drink just because some salty deino main wants to nerf a whole faction in order to cater to his one playable

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Wouldnt want it on carni either

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Cus i want to play the game

urban flax
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Also pounce for ptera, instakill sweet spots, make same species unable to kill each other...

paper oriole
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Thirst already drains pretty fast

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P…pounce for ptera…

tepid river
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a lot of the 'players sit in bushes' issue is just because theres not a whole lot to do other than fight or eat really, once nesting is in a lot of bored players will likely be doing that and defending hatchlings

paper oriole
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All three of those ideas sound like absolute cancer LOL this guy has got to be a troll doing suggestions like that

urban flax
limber hull
urban flax
paper oriole
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Herbivores are slow as shit as juvi, all their food is in an open plains filled with carnos, utahs and aggro adult herbis, gee i wonder why they’d want to hide in a bush

tepid river
paper oriole
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I barely even touch herbi rn its just boring and feels much more tied down than carnivores which i freely explore with

limber hull
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i just wish we got more than 2 swamps

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and that the only other swamp was anywhere but in centre

urban flax
paper oriole
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Center pond is dookie

tepid river
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id posted it in my suggestion the other day but this was my idea for more swamps, if we have them more spread across the map im betting we'd see a lot better spread of players

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paper oriole
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South swamp is usually where i go as deino but unfortunately its size and shallow spots makes it somewhat hard to make an ambush

urban flax
paper oriole
#

Lazy river from legacy would be deino heaven

tepid river
# urban flax I'd prefer more rivers over more ponds

most of the areas i threw ponds are a bit higher elevation and didn't seem like a river would be a good fit, but just a suggestion. one of the main things i wanna see is just bigger rivers in general, they feel like one lane traffic

urban flax
paper oriole
#

Lazy river and titan lake should make a return on this map

tepid river
# urban flax Well rivers gotta start somewhere high

yeah, but it'd be a hell of a lot more work to completely redo the terrain to shove rivers in a lot of those areas so it doesnt look weird and still make it so deino has places it can hide without being at an angle or smth

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or the complete pain of trying to get up a river with waterfalls every 30 feet

limber hull
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titan lake having a return being nice, it would be a hotspot for all sorts of aquatics

urban flax
#

We also need more diverse aquatics
Bary and sucho could make shallow waters less safe, and beipi and minmi could take profit of the waters where there are no deinos

tepid river
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with how rivers are right now i dont think spino could fit in a single one

limber hull
#

sucho seems like more of a shallow lover than bary

paper oriole
#

But yeah

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More big juicy water sources for fishers

tepid river
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a large lake would likely have a lot of large shallow areas to wade in, and plentiful fish though. deeper pockets for gators and spino, the shallows for the waders

paper oriole
#

Austros floating around in a lake and getting demolished by a gator would be funny to see

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Beipi and minmi would probably benefit from a larger body of water too

urban flax
#

Oh yeah I always forget Austro
I'd love to see it too

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At least we're finally getting a new carni soon with troodon

tepid river
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id love to see areas kinda like this for beipi and other small aquatics, lots of foliage to hide in, rocks, fallen logs

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those usually only 2-3 feet deep shallow areas full of algea would be perfect to hide a tiny little beipi in

limber hull
#

@maiden anvil I like your idea,, fits trike well and makes it a threat to many apexes that fail to treat it with respect. Something that would scare the utter crap out of a rex that failed to ambush correctly and now has 9 tons of fury running it down with horns that can pierce its heart

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Def should be one of trike's hardest hitting moves with tons of damage. Like a slower, more brutal carno charge

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Lower turn radius but higher speed and insane damage if hit

urban flax
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I'd say trike charge should be faster than a sprinting rex, but consume a lot of stamina

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Maybe with a very long acceleration time, like 3-4 seconds to reach top speed

limber hull
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i'd make it unlike a carno

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a carno has to run to start it up, you could have trike kick the ground like a bull before bursting full speed

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it being faster than a rex isn't an issue if the rex can simply aim to sidestep rather than outrunning

urban flax
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Yeah that's true

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Maybe a mix between carno and pachy ? You got to charge it up and start near full speed, but then you can hold the charge for some time at the cost of stamina and impale everything in your way ?

limber hull
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yea

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exactly that, bullcharge

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considering the sound and obvious nature of the attack, as well as the complete lack of agility, it'd be mostly ineffectual against any wary animal that isn't a massive lumbering beast

limber hull
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@stray holly you have to look STRAIGHT down

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looking slightly down isn't good enough, it has to basically be where the camera locks you from going any further

urban flax
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The hitboxes for breaking coconuts are kinda messed up though

stray holly
#

After I gave my buddy a concussion ☠️

stray holly
#

@exotic saffron did you log back out and log back in after that happened? The same thing happened to me once and all I did was log out and come back and I had my original Dino.

maiden anvil
limber hull
#

now i like my idea less because ARK also had it :(

outer sphinx
#

lmao

empty forge
#

I played evrima on GeForce but all of a sudden for the pasts week every time I launch it on GeForce black anticheat screens with the panda spam my screen and later says it’s not downloaded but idk where the file is.

urban flax
crude cape
#

carno bit me once and did this like how does this make any sense

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crisp topaz
#

@polar hornet in response to your feedback, I'm assuming they removed it due to being the primary tactic for getting someone off of you, instead of the bucking mechanic that they poured untold time into animating for every dino.

urban flax
crude cape
urban flax
outer sphinx
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you have significantly better agility, you shouldnt be taking hits in the first place as utah

crude cape
outer sphinx
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so you mean it was a lagged hit?

crude cape
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No i was mid pounce when it hit me, im saying when being chased by a carno it can tail hit you from far away

signal beacon
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@polar hornet mostly because if you were near any kind of rock or tree utahs were useless.

barren zephyr
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@stray holly Your suppose to look all the way down and aim at the coconut no inconsistency with it you just did it wrong

calm granite
lavish quail
#

They need a mild buff

calm granite
lavish quail
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Not too much

signal beacon
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I just feel like body frac needs a bit more impact

calm granite
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i think it should shut down charge and pounce or at least deal self harm while in use or activation

signal beacon
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Maybe if the body is hit enough it starts lowering your oxygen. and if you dont rest you may suffocate in your own blood

calm granite
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or like wave said increase stam usage

signal beacon
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like a severe fracture

calm granite
#

that sound amazing

signal beacon
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Itd take like 2-3 hits so the carno would have time to reconsider.

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or it can keep fighting and complain in the discord when it dies

calm granite
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lol yes!

signal beacon
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If carnos prey stands its ground the carno will have trouble. if you ambush them the prey is as good as dead

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and i love it

calm granite
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yeah pachy dies in 1 normal bite after charge

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or 2

signal beacon
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carnos need groups to kill tenos most of the time. If the teno is good then it wont need to worry unless the carnos are coordinated.

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teno is the biggest thing carno will normally kill

calm granite
#

idk how tenos do it with the desync

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i can’t play the dino

signal beacon
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Its fun it just takes time. kinda the same problem with utah, if the lag is bad youre almost useless

calm granite
#

ye

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especially going against carno

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being bit from 5-10 feet away is irritating

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sometimes tail dmg counts as a body hit too

signal beacon
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@barren zephyr I mean one pounce can kill pachy and one ram can kill utah.

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Its kinda just who strikes first

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also alt attack

barren zephyr
signal beacon
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ram, knock it down, then spam alt attack

barren zephyr
#

i even ram a utah twice when it was down

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it takes 3 ram to kill one pretty sure

signal beacon
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ram, knock it down, then spam alt attack. ram isnt your only damage dealer

barren zephyr
#

Does alt do more dmg than ram?

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if 3 ram isn't enough to kill a utah a single ram and spam alt attack shouldn't

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u can probably hit him with just 2 alt attack b4 he gets back up so

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while u bleed to death with single pounce

signal beacon
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alt does less damage but it has a way faster attack speed.

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so dps wise alt attack is better

barren zephyr
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and hit him with 3 alt attack then he gets back up

warm flame
#

that feeling when the only person who agrees with you is your alter ego

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paper oriole
#

multiple character slots would certainly make revenge killers happy or people who could scout out targets with a ptera and then switch to their carno or some toxic shit like that TI_LUL

warm flame
#

scouting as a ptera then switching to your stegosaurus

paper oriole
#

its so ripe for abuse lol

calm granite
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i dont like it, if added though, when you want to log onto another dino in the same server there should be a 2hr cooldown to get back in maybe

stray holly
#

Can pachys only knock down coconuts at a certain growth stage?

paper oriole
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yeah pretty sure they gotta be half grown

calm granite
#

@paper oriole were you the one that said bucking stam is bugged?

paper oriole
#

i mentioned bucking was broken in a feedback i made but i think somebody else made the comment more clearly before me too

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ive had bucking randomly cancel out when i use it, i havent noticed a stamina issue probably because i dont get the chance to notice it lmao

calm granite
#

does it take stam??

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do you know at all

paper oriole
#

yeah as far as ive seen it does take stam though i dont know if the stamina is bugged to do more or less than is intended because i havent been able to buck for an extended time

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havent noticed any excessive drain or lack of drain

calm granite
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yeah same, i fought a carno and it seemed to buck and still run for long times

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i hope this gets fixed, playing pachy is so hard rn.

paper oriole
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its possible the carno was hacking because that shits been happening, they seem to run across the map without tiring

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though also very possible that bucking is just broken with stam as well as its other functions

worn pumice
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if body fracture actually meant something maybe pachy could escape carnos

paper oriole
#

there's been hackers using both foliage and stamina hacking, mostly carnos

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i wish body frac put a cap on stam that scaled with fracture severity

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like it knocks the wind out of you

worn pumice
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fastest and strongest land carnivore

paper oriole
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carno was a big mistake this early. fastest predator taking role as land apex predator

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cerato should have come first