general-feedback-discussion

[tacit copper]

I was saying that steam may have the devs pay to have another game available

ok well then your misunderstanding what I am saying

[carmine path]

Why add “may” it simply won’t happen as an on-going beta

[tacit copper]

If players want to buy the legacy, they get a key for Evrima, If they get a Evrima they can get a key for Legacy.

The fact is, they arent making it easy to start attempting to switch and increase Evrima server activity

[carmine path]

So your wanting The Devs to open a second game in evrimas name?

[tacit copper]

Yes. since we arent able to have both games now.

we have to uninstall and reinstall

super inconvenient

[carmine path]

And doing “that” is inconvenient for the devs

[tacit copper]

They should have done it to begin with if they planned to remove the original game.

[carmine path]

The things is almost every game has beta branches or QA branches except for big shots like R6 and Rust who can pay for these things with an increasing stable playerbase

[tacit copper]

There are tons of game in beta on steam

that dont have multiple branches

[carmine path]

But there are undoubtedly more with multiple branches

[tacit copper]

man, always someone to complain about a feedback or suggestion

no matter if your for or against something

[carmine path]

Its called feedback for a reason. Don’t post if you don’t expect it

[tacit copper]

I can post in there and if people dont like it they can keep scrolling. Just like on facebook

[carmine path]

Its feedback.

[tacit copper]

Well I didnt ask for your feedback. I posted that to give feedback to the devs

[lavish quail]

I wanna have a hypsi on a table or be a hypsi on a table, either works

[carmine path]

Shame you don’t have to ask

[tacit copper]

Seriously though, if you dont like a feedback move along. Stop causing headaches for those trying to express concern or frustration. Unless you can tell me how to smoothly transition over between the two I have nothing more to say

[carmine path]

Mhmm. Its feedback

[signal beacon]

Goes to feedback discussion

Gets upset when feedback is discussed

[pale barn]

I mean. It’s super mf easy to have both. Shit I have evrima, QA, and Legacy all downloaded rn.

[lavish quail]

@barren zephyr that’s not how that in fact works, if there are animators programmers, artist and sound design devs, only the programming devs can fix the bugs slowing the update, and it’s not like it takes much effort to add humans the way they plan; with first person and moving

[crude girder]

@daring sequoia P sure this is the female Para

You can see the same thing here and here

[lavish quail]

GIMME THEM ALREADY!!!

[crude girder]

The Diablo, the Maia, the Para, the Troodon, the Nesting Grounds, or the Nesting mechanic?

[lavish quail]

all of the above

[manic sun]

man if the game was as beatiful as in the pictures

[signal beacon]

It will eventually!

(In 10 years)

[manic sun]

and if every playable would be fun to play and have a mission instead of running around KOSing or playing chat simulator

[daring sequoia]

Ok thx for conforming

It would cool if update 5 makes a stat buff if you have babies if your the mother and only the mother kinda like no one messes with a momma bear thing

[lavish quail]

Gotta have two parent

That’s the idea anyway

[daring sequoia]

Yea figured

[manic flint]

That would be kinda dumb and easily abusable
All they should be is more aggressive

[paper oriole]

This poor soul thinks landing on a tenonto or stego would be safer than landing on a ledge.

[honest sparrow]

I sure hope this constantly pissed off zebra doesn't start freaking the fuck out when I land on its back

[paper oriole]

ive had herbivores go pretty great lengths attempting to kfs my ptera so many times, if youre gonna try landing on somebodys back you better know the person lmao

[elfin pasture]

I might be the only one who thinks this but i kinda feel like on the QA branch the water is kinda loud even when youre not near any waterfall anyone else think so?

[tepid gate]

You're definitely not the only one, the water is objectively way too loud

Sound is messed up in Evrima for some reason and the water is currently the biggest offender

I outright have to mute the game when I afk next to water

[paper oriole]

That feedback aint exactly wrong, but it certainly makes me realize how important punctuation can be because that hurt a little to read

[honest sparrow]

living in a society

[barren zephyr]

joker emoji

[paper oriole]

Living in a saurciety

[barren zephyr]

[barren zephyr]

Saved

[gusty remnant]

Does anyone know if the dibble is gonna come to evrima?

[icy lion]

Everything from legacy is coming back except for puertasaurus

[gusty remnant]

Even the maia

Wooooooooooooo

[frozen karma]

eventually

[signal beacon]

@keen vapor I mean in the devs defence even AAA studios tend to take years to finish. And seeing as the isle's dev team is much smaller than said studios, it won't be exactly fast development. Although I do think that some things could be handled better by them.

[outer sphinx]

also budget/resources for another

[lavish quail]

If it means anything they also have a shitty playerbase

[outer sphinx]

new to gaming?

[keen vapor]

I feel like things should have been prioritized a bit differently so we could have updates a bit more consistently

over 8 months without a major update is just..

[signal beacon]

Holding off on U4 to add half finished humans

[outer sphinx]

holding u4 to add pachy as well so we dont have a 4.5

[lavish quail]

Arent they going to QA

[outer sphinx]

we dont know

[lavish quail]

I want them in main branch but they'd be too buggy

[outer sphinx]

how so, who knows, they might be the most stable addition to the game

[lavish quail]

Hard to mess up humans tbf, even i can make half decent ones

[outer sphinx]

we have polished the human aspect in games for decades now, its super easy

[lavish quail]

except the gun part

those arent fun to make

[outer sphinx]

[lavish quail]

[worn pumice]

Even the lag

[lavish quail]

Its already here dum dum

[clear nexus]

it wouldn't be the isle without the lag after all

[barren zephyr]

@ember granite

[ember granite]

oh yeah! that's what I was referring to in what I said in the general feedback, it looks good

[icy lion]

@thorny crag The trello is in the description of #roadmap-updates

[thorny crag]

I know, just find myself trying to get to it through phase 2 channel, idk why but it'd be nice. Nevermind

Keep forgetting which channel has it pinned

[paper oriole]

carni diets are the easiest thing in the world rn

[limber hull]

they're far too easy imho, i kinda hate them

[proud coral]

Carnis on average should be harder to survive with in my opinion....

This goes completely against that ;0;

50% of their lives are just "eat meat, drink water, AFK" and I h a t e i t

I can't wait until AFKing becomes a thing most don't wanna do because the game is actually fun to play.

[paper oriole]

idk what the dude in feedback means with "carni diets need help" if he doesnt mean making carni diets harder

carnis may as well not have diets rn

[proud coral]

I've seen suggestions for that, making it herbi only....

[limber hull]

i wanted adaptive diets that went from easy to hard prey items, rather than "all nutrients 4 u haha"

[paper oriole]

herbi diets suck shit

[proud coral]

YES. And boosts being species-specific instead of blanket buffs/debuffs

Punch even talked about it once but they never tried it :c

[worn pumice]

this

adaptive and dynamic diets

[paper oriole]

arboreal utahs

[limber hull]

too bad climbing utah is in the concept art lmao

[paper oriole]

ok that shit is momentum climbing

not what the suggestion has

clinging and climbing trees, so dont start that

that shit is gross lmao

even the momentum climbing shit is so unnecessary on utah but hey the devs make a lot of dumb decisions with the dinos

[tepid gate]

Diets are trash in general, it's just that they were clearly designed for herbivores and would completely screw carnivores over so the devs decided that they will exempt the latter "faction" from them anyways. Just... absolutely baffling and awful design all around. I genuinely don't want to play either of the two now that the diets have been introduced.

[paper oriole]

i usually like to split my time between factions but now ive been playing only carni side except hypsi which is a throwaway dino because diets make carnivores objectively better largely due to growth times

it pisses me off tbh

i wanna choose dinos based on what makes them fun for the moment, not avoid dinos because their gameplay is ruined by one big stinky dump mechanic

[tepid gate]

I've played a bit of both - well really mainly Tenonto and Carno. I found them both excruciatingly boring.

I was afk most of the time while growing both

it's just a matter of getting the nutrients on a herbivore first since you actually need to get three different plants, by the time I had them I just sat in the bushes and afk grew Tenonto, Carno was... better in that it made me play the game less(and well admittedly it was a bit more interesting when I played it since fighting AI is stil slightly more interesting than walking around aimlessly looking for the right plants).

And I completely agree that we should be choosing dinos based on the kind of gameplay they have to offer rather than by whether they can let us avoid participating in some dumb mechanic that ruins the game.

Idk what to say I'm not liking either herbivore diets nor carnivore diets. Carnivore diets are better in that they allow you to ignore this mechanic for longer but that honestly speaks more about how poorly diets have been designed for them if the devs felt they had to allow them to not participate in them altogether.

I'm honestly having a tough time picturing myself having fun in this game after this addition. Literally the single update that made the game from a passable entertainment even if lacking in many aspects to something that I'd rather actively avoid.

It also amuses me when people say "mechanics before dinos" - after seeing diets I'd rather have the mechanics put on the back-burner before they further ruin the game.

[paper oriole]

Yeah releasing the less mechanic-heavy dinosaurs before adding more chores to the game would be nice. Diets shoulda waited

Shit like nightvision, gore and other things that don't run much risk of ruining gameplay should have taken priority as mechanics over this clusterfuck. I knew diets were gonna make herbivores worse way before they were even added, it wasnt hard to see it coming

[tepid gate]

Yea

I had a feeling they'd make herbivores worse

[paper oriole]

I assumed they would force herbivores in to hotspots and i was right

I rarely see an herbi outside the hotspots

But i see carnis everywhere

[tepid gate]

there was a pretty high chance that they'd make carnivores even more awful than herbivores but that hasn't happened because this iteration of diet fits carnivores so badly that the devs ended up just allowing them to ignore it

it's literally the fact that this mechanic is so unfitting to carnivores that they get to ignore it for half their growth

idk what the thought process behind that was

[paper oriole]

I just kill what ever i would have killed before as a carni regardless of diet. I can ignore diet and just naturally come across the shit i need anywhere on the map

[tepid gate]

I swear the devs just created this for herbivores and then later on slapped it onto carnivores as well

[paper oriole]

Certainly seems like it and its working awfully on both for different reasons

[tepid gate]

In this case they should honestly just revert the growth timers back to normal, delete all the debuffs and make it a herbivore-only mechanic that allows them to grow faster than normally if they get the nutrients

[paper oriole]

It definitely is just a punishment system rn no reward

[tepid gate]

that's what I'd do at this point - if you want to afk grow, you get the normal growth time of 300 minutes for Stego

[paper oriole]

If its gonna stay this shitty then it has no right to punish people

[tepid gate]

if you get the nutrients that gets down to e.g. 240 minutes

yea it's just a punishment system atm

and you're being punished for the most baffling things like the fact that you can't find the exact plant that you need to be on the lookout for

the idea that this punishes afking people is such utter nonsense

[paper oriole]

Its a punishment to do mentally and its physically punishing not to do

Carnis can debuff herbis by camping shit like coconuts

[tepid gate]

I also like how the devs asked "is it more rewarding to participate in the diet system tahn to afk grow"

[paper oriole]

Na na nope!

[tepid gate]

I mean... you can afk while participating in it but

going by how most people understood it - well yes: it's going to be more "rewarding" to grow in 5 hours rather than 20

that's not much of a reward though

[paper oriole]

I kill a single sea turtle in the middle of a field in a dead part of the map on utah and sit on the body until im subadult it is very engaging gameplay

[tepid gate]

it's more so that anyone who isn't completely insane won't even try to afk grow in a bush without nutrients while grazing or something

I don't know if anyone ever tried that before

[paper oriole]

Like if i move away from the sea turtle and try engaging in the game i actually get punished because im not topping off on my buff every couple minutes so i am incentivized to afk

[tepid gate]

even me with my dislike for Stego and my tendency to afk grow carnivores - I haven't even tried to do that with Stego when it came out, I just filled up on food and went afk and then moved about to another bush before I ran out of food

as for carnivores - Idk about turtles, I've been killing AI Tenonto

[paper oriole]

I keep finding turtles at a certain spot

[tepid gate]

I don't even know what to say about them, people keep saying that they are very dangerous

and I mean I can see where they're coming from with that

[paper oriole]

So i just spawn there and get free bonuses

[tepid gate]

they feel really unfair to fight but at the same time you can abuse their stupidity to still kill them

[paper oriole]

Tenonto and boar are easy to bait if you are patient

[tepid gate]

yea I've been killing them as 30-40% Carno

[paper oriole]

I usually dont do the tenonto because im usually utah (as much as i never thought id play utah somewhat regularly) and i dont wanna get oneshot but the boar are effortless and also sometimes have a little bonus present with then in the form of another dead juvie

I find dead juvi carnos next to boar humorously often

[limber hull]

IMO, you could make two easy changes to both factions to make the diets more engaging.

For herbis, change it that some animals enjoy fruit, but have specific favourite fruit which give the most nutrient output. These animals can eat any fruit they find, but prefer a specific kind of fruit.

For carnis, have it that diets evolve over time, rather than starting with "anything works for 100% perfect diet" so that juvi carnis don't feel extremely biased while not being expected to hunt animals they stand no chance against at their existing size

So like a pachy loves coconuts and melons, but won't pass up on mangoes and oranges

[tepid gate]

I think the herbivore change could be a nice improvement

I have serious doubts as to the carnivore idea though

[paper oriole]

my diet document suggested something similar, making herbi diets more vague and separating hrbivore preferences in to things like "gourds, berries, floating waterplants, nightshades, legumes", though it didnt gain much traction. maybe because it is a textwall

[tepid gate]

since it discourages scavenging

[paper oriole]

also suggested that carnis prefer different tissue types so they can gain 0-3 nutrients form different animals rather than each diet animal giving one nutrient

[tepid gate]

if you find a dead body lying around somewhere as a juvie Carni - you shouldn't be prevented from eating it just because you're "too young" to eat it

[tepid gate]

this also sounds better

[limber hull]

i also like that but this is a pre-gore reality

[paper oriole]

yeah it was sort of a "once dgore is in" type thing

stuf like obligate hunters wanting organ meat, so they prioritize it and leftover bodies often lack it, making scavenging less profitable to hunters

[limber hull]

i want nutrients to correlate to high value organs and body freshness. A shitty rotten corpse is not going to be much in the way of nutrients for anything but scavengers like cera and compy

[paper oriole]

if you want to bore yourself on my greatwall of text diet idea

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hCMSR3HGsVveiUdncQ25XGI0PDz0o3HBFmflyqfySs8/edit?usp=sharing

[limber hull]

i have read thatt

[paper oriole]

ohh

[barren zephyr]

🎃

[ashen fulcrum]

Dude your diet ideas are very good!! I would love to see your "textwall" implemented 👍

[paper oriole]

thank ye thank ye

[lavish quail]

Anything that starts with “let’s be honest” is a scarily long rant

[paper oriole]

Yes.

[dry phoenix]

Did devs delete deino diet?

[barren zephyr]

@scenic berry that's not it lol

@tranquil thorn wrong channel

but yes, subadult carno would be hypothetically faster than an adult

[primal spear]

had they written somewhere that the sudden server crash had been fixed? I do not think so

it seems to me that in this game you can only take amazing screenshots .. xD continues to be unplayable

[scenic berry]

maybe i looked for the wrong coast and spray patterns on the ocean then 😄

[paper oriole]

Is that the west end of north beach?

Is “IT"S BETAAAAAAAA” supposed to mean “don't point out bugs during a beta, a beta should be bugged and those bugs should not be fixed, because it is a beta”?

[scenic berry]

it's the coast north of the mountain where buttplug rock was in the past

should be there

[primal spear]

yet another patch, yet another disappointment, thanks

[paper oriole]

Ohh yeah i was right, i recognize that place. If you fly all along that coast though youll eventually reach the tiny area they showed off in “coastal biome”. That is, after you pass by their “docks”

The place in the trailer is truly tiny and theres no reason to go there except sightseeing, especially as herbivore because the game punishes herbivores for exploration harder than carnivores

[rotund flicker]

life could be a dream.
if only carno was nerfed properly.
and the server didn't crashed every min,
life could be a dream, sweetdevs

[paper oriole]

The “coastal biome”

The little islands are probably still blocked off by the border wall too because we can't have nice things

[limber hull]

i want to go beyond this realm and live on a little island lmao

[lavish quail]

Carno was nerfed properly though

[outer sphinx]

did you get to play much of u4?

[oak bronze]

Why does no one talk ab the type-d h giga strain like 💅 Dude the roars give me chilllssssss and the design

[limber hull]

i had to play a LOT lmao, I'm QA after all

that island has taunted me day in and day out

[outer sphinx]

how is balancing so far and diets/growth

curious if its worth playing this weekend

[lavish quail]

You can see which diets which

All dinos you had on officials saved from Up-3

And everything is decently balanced

[outer sphinx]

i mean as in food spawns/placement values etc

[lavish quail]

Not sure about them

I’ve only played with deino two secs

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/900039430885228554/921025634732499014/unknown.png

Fucking based

[outer sphinx]

wait we have icon for each diet food now? so no more guessing if you dont know

[lavish quail]

Yeah I said that before too

[outer sphinx]

damn, excited to play but rn i have some shit to do in d2, good that now i have a lot of free time

[paper oriole]

The what

[outer sphinx]

i think he just means hypo, there is no d strain

[paper oriole]

Hmmm

[rotund flicker]

in which way?

[cunning anvil]

FINALLLLYYYYY

LESSGOOOOO

[drifting cape]

bruh lmao whoever said to me calm down is idiot

in the emoji thing

losing progress and reverting progress because server crash is not good, i couldnt care if it only crashed, but me losing progress is big deal

[lavish quail]

What are you losing lol

The updates been out so little that the only thing you can lose is a dryo

[drifting cape]

well bro

everyones losing, there were 8 utahs in my pack

and everytime it crashes we lose progress and are at the same spot and same growth

this happened 2 times now, fix your damn gme. pro dev

@lavish quail

[lavish quail]

That seems like a server problem to do with steam

[cunning anvil]

I am not underestimating your feedback, the update just dropped, people are flooding the servers, ofc this is expected

[drifting cape]

judge

[cunning anvil]

just watch your tongue

[urban flax]

Actually "fix your game" is not proper feedback because you're not proposing a solution to the given problem

[drifting cape]

this happened on other servers

[lavish quail]

So you lose nothing

[drifting cape]

i dont lose but i lose progress

i dont lose a dino but i lose like 20% of progress

[lavish quail]

You lose nothing

[drifting cape]

because it crashes every 30 min

wow ill remember this, thanks anyway

[lavish quail]

Yeah cause an update dropped and everyone is flooding the servers

[drifting cape]

i mean, yeah it is new update, but how does that even happen ?

a community server doesnt have tohse problems

for real bro go to teutoinc with 130 players

i didnt lose anything even after crash

[lavish quail]

Remember split gate?

[drifting cape]

no

[lavish quail]

And how they’re servers got flooded

That

[drifting cape]

i dont bro i started 4 months ago

[lavish quail]

It’s not the isle it’s a different game

[drifting cape]

then i dont know sorry

[limber hull]

you're telling me that saying "game bad" with no context ISN'T helpful to the devs?

[drifting cape]

but please i hope it gets fixed soon

[lavish quail]

Still stands that “fix game” isn’t really feedback more raging

[urban flax]

Crazy right ?

[drifting cape]

lmao bro

[cunning anvil]

Yes.

[drifting cape]

okay ima probably POT then

just 100 years for fix

[cunning anvil]

Hf

[limber hull]

have fun with that

[modest crane]

if the bugs are a consistent issue past initial launch I get it. It released today. Some issues are to be expected

[limber hull]

i would rather play this with the constant server crashes than have to set foot in PoT for a second personally

[lavish quail]

Have fun growing for 15 hours

[drifting cape]

lmao is this how devs act ?

[limber hull]

there's no devs here

[lavish quail]

We’re not devs

[drifting cape]

what are you i dont know

[lavish quail]

Just people

[drifting cape]

normal player ?

ah okay i thought u were someone

[modest crane]

lmao

[lavish quail]

Wave is QA

[drifting cape]

okay my mistake dawg

this is no suprise that ur normal player

@signal beacon so basically if there is an update i must wait even more to be able to play it ?

[urban flax]

I mean, technically Wavepoole is part of the dev team since he actively participates in game development (quality assurance)

[lavish quail]

Yea as with most games

[drifting cape]

isle moment

[signal beacon]

I mean blame all the people spam joining the servers

[drifting cape]

this didnt happen to QA somehow

there were many players still

[low canopy]

dont expect to see working product before it gets out of early access in general, keep your expectation to the minimun so you wont be disappointed

[signal beacon]

Not as many

[lavish quail]

It did when it was released

[drifting cape]

okay good

this reminds me of rdr online lmao

tehnically this is rockstar in a dino game company

[signal beacon]

@wispy talon that really isn't in the devs control. Their servers can only handle so much and people just keep spam joining.

[wispy talon]

It actually is, they need to make sure their servers are stable enough to compensate for the amount of people who are going to want to join and play. Some people dont play on the test servers and like to wait for the release to enjoy and experience new content. This isn't a new thing and the Devs should most definately be aware of this. (Not gonna elaborate more on this I think its pretty clear and obvious)

[signal beacon]

Do you think servers are free? Do you think that the ones the devs have can handle all this traffic when they were used to like 90 max people on a server? The problem is the people trying to join, even AAA companies have this problem when they release something as hyped as this.

[outer sphinx]

the problem is the new servers, they havent stabilized them yet as they dont have a person that only does server maintainance

[signal beacon]

Yea they really need more matinince staff.

[outer sphinx]

they need a back end programmer, rn all are full stack

[wispy talon]

Let me put it this way. The content they are creating is great! They are doing amazing work and putting in alot of effort. But what is the point in releasing an update which they KNOW people are going to want to log in and play when it releases, they should be aware that it is going to cause more traffic, so their main priority should be to make sure their servers are able to handle that amount of traffic. I understand servers aren't free, I also understand they need more staff, but what is not going great for them currently is the fact that people are trying to join, like myself for example, and just wanting to get on for a little bit, get some gameplay experience and get a new feel for what they have added, yet I can't even play for 10 minutes without the server going down, reloading into the same server to find its just a huge rollback and whatever I did manage to do within those 10 minutes is gone. Now, I don't want to play anymore coz I don't see the point and I'm sure many people feel the same. This is a problem for them and is going to give a negative impact on their game and development. People are gonna be annoyed because this shouldn't be happening.

[peak wedge]

The thing is though is when a AAA game is hyped, it's like thousands of people trying to join and they can generally hold up after a while, so not really comparable

[crude girder]

@noble verge you can now angle the dismount with your camera, so try jumping at various angles to make it harder for the Stego player to smack you

[signal beacon]

I believe if the stego tries to swing towards its head it takes the longest of any angle to swing, so if I'm right dismounting towards its head would be the best option.

[limber hull]

head and back are the slower anims

[signal beacon]

Stegos are gonna be seething once they realize utahs dont just bounce off them anymore and they actually have a predator

[limber hull]

its nice that we finally have a semblance of an ecosystem

[signal beacon]

It's funny how Utah went from the most braindead playable to the one with probably the highest skill wall

[limber hull]

@cobalt parcel it was changed from the QA branch tho? New icons, new scent symbols on compass, tons of bug fixes, wdym nothing changed

[barren zephyr]

theres nothing on scent compass

literally nothing.

i cant smell food, water, anything.

[cobalt parcel]

lol they may have changed UI but they didnt change gameplay. its still ass

[barren zephyr]

im standing on water and still cant smell it.

[paper oriole]

Did you stand in place for 47382827492283829 seconds sniffing

[limber hull]

you gotta hold Q to smell further

[crude girder]

I don't know what you've done to your game Lexa, but scent is working totally fine for me and dozens of others

submit a bug report of you being unable to scent

[cobalt parcel]

so youre telling me, that when you're hungry your scent range decreases? nice, what a fun gameplay mechanic! Spawn in, already starving, and you cant find food? "just try harder" lmfao what joke

[crude girder]

Fractures got some improvements as well, plus the amount and distributions of food were tweaked a bit

[paper oriole]

The isle

[signal beacon]

So no more everything being at center?

[barren zephyr]

ive starved 3 times now after spawning in without ever finding any food source

and only 1 water source by luck.

[crude girder]

Honestly everything is still probably at center, there are just more alternatives, haven't looked extensively yet

[cobalt parcel]

the game is more frustrating than fun. in every other update starving was an issue and now they made it even more annoying. nice!

[limber hull]

i've never actually died from starvation in this game tbh

[crude girder]

Where are you spawning, and what are you playing?

[cobalt parcel]

bet you play herbivore

[barren zephyr]

everywhere, pachy

[limber hull]

my fave animal to play is utahraptor

[paper oriole]

In the very least you can see where water is on the map before spawning in and head in its direction

[crude girder]

You know you can graze to keep yourself from starving to death right?

[barren zephyr]

havent found grazeable grass

[wispy talon]

I don't think they should be having people spawn in with 25% food tbh and I don't really understand why either lol

[barren zephyr]

spawns me in the middle of the jungle and i die without getting out

[crude girder]

X to doubt on that one if you've spawned in center

[cobalt parcel]

❤️ ah yes love grazing on grass as carno

[lavish quail]

What’s wrong with that

[limber hull]

i actually rarely touched herbivore before diets came out

[signal beacon]

You know that you may be starving cause there are too many carnivores eating shit right?

[crude girder]

Carno can eat any source of meat it comes across, you just don't benefit from them all. But if you have to pick poor diet for a bit or total starvation, just eat the random crap and keep moving

Finding something to eat isn't too hard, finding the right stuff to eat is more difficult

[cobalt parcel]

yeah keep defending this game. its garbage and the devs dont care about you or what you think or what you want.

[lavish quail]

Ok then leave

[limber hull]

lmao

[crude girder]

So why leave feedback?

[signal beacon]

Someone's salty~

[cobalt parcel]

because they promised us something better. and they are lacking

[lavish quail]

Aren’t these guys QA, I’m pretty sure the devs need to care about what they say

[cobalt parcel]

you'd be correct

[crude girder]

"Your game is bad it'll never improve and anyone who says otherwise is lying" isn't exactly going to change anything, you're just screaming into the void

[lavish quail]

It’s what we expected, diets fractures and pachy

[limber hull]

idk, i like the game and the update, maybe it's just not for you

[cobalt parcel]

over the past few months there's been tons of people complaining in feedback about the same things

[lavish quail]

Not much else to ask for

[crude girder]

And listening to feedback =/= doing everything the feedback says

[cobalt parcel]

maybe not taking 7 months for an update that's still buggy

[signal beacon]

If there isn't enough carnivore food then there are too many carnivores. Try playing herbi for a while.

[lavish quail]

It’s buggy because of server flooding and public branches acting different

[crude girder]

What if I made a feedback post saying "Buff Carno!" and I got like 100+ people to post it as well? Would the devs be obligated to buff carno because enough people said to do it, even if it wasn't needed or would mess with things later?

[lavish quail]

It’s not like They aren’t working to fix it

[cobalt parcel]

i bet you guys like the fact that theyre adding humans, who will only be able to walk around by the way. because itll be extremely underdeveloped

[limber hull]

you'd be right

[cobalt parcel]

they're going on Christmas break.

[lavish quail]

Not now obviously

[crude girder]

I assume you are one of the people who are against humans in your super accurate dinosaur simulator?

[limber hull]

i am excited for humans who will only be able to walk around

[wise delta]

As stated they’ll make it work along the way. Do you even read bro? They are adding them now so they can keep adjusting them through the updates

[lavish quail]

^

[signal beacon]

Pans over to utah

[cobalt parcel]

humans are fine, adding humans by the end of the year because dondi wants them is not fine. they should be developed and fleshed out.

[lavish quail]

skips past Utah and looks at magy

[wise delta]

Bro you don’t read do you?

[cobalt parcel]

yay one more thing to make updates take longer!!

[limber hull]

i have a ton of mates who want to experience FPS dinosaur horror sim while utterly wasted and nothing can make me not want that experience

[wispy talon]

I think you guys need to stop attacking each other in this channel this has turned from feedback discussion to just plain insults

[low canopy]

tbh humans is the only thing that would justify logging in atm as u4 has overstayed its welcome already

[signal beacon]

The devs have stated a good reason why they want humans early

[crude girder]

I think it makes sense to see how the humans work with their base systems like movement, rather than see "okay so, how does every single human mechanic at once feel compared to the dinosaurs?"

[lavish quail]

And how do you balance them at that point? They did it in legacy and look at that mistake

[wise delta]

Updates will always take long, they atleast try to get things right. No game can do it perfectly

[limber hull]

welcome to this discord, no one can have discussions here, only bloodshed because "me opinion good, you opinion bad"

[crude girder]

It's not as much of an issue if humans are put in piece by piece getting tweaked over time instead of tossing humans totally unbalanced into the roster with all their mechanics

[wise delta]

Also don’t complain about how long updates take. They don’t give eta’s for a reason

[cobalt parcel]

every other game i play pumps out faster, higher quality updates. open your eyes

[lavish quail]

Yeah from people being salty that 5k players can’t load into the game at once

[crude girder]

Why not go play the other games then and wait for this one to reach the level of quality you want?

[wise delta]

Then go play those games if you dislike this one so much

[paper oriole]

Then play those other games?

[lavish quail]

Then leave

[wise delta]

Why are you even here then

[crude girder]

No one is holding a gun to your head and saying "You must play this game you clearly despise"

[cobalt parcel]

that's what im doing. but its sad to see this game turn to shit every update

yall realize it's because i miss enjoying the game

[lavish quail]

It’s not like it hurts you to leave if the game is that “shit”

[crude girder]

Maybe move on then if you think the game is only getting worse? There are other dinosaur games to try if that's what you are worried about.

[cobalt parcel]

well i am leaving, actually. downloaded legacy and wont come back

[wise delta]

Turning to shit cause the devs don’t do every single thing the way you want them to do? It’s not your game is it?

[lavish quail]

“U for Utah”

[urban flax]

Until legacy gets deleted :)

[cobalt parcel]

we should have a say in the game.

[paper oriole]

Legacy

[wise delta]

And with this update they’ve done plenty of things the community asked

[lavish quail]

Have fun in that shithole then cya

[crude girder]

Buying a copy of a game =/= I should get to make important choices for the game's future

[barren zephyr]

really? did the community ask for food to be so rare herbis starve?

[wise delta]

The only thing I really think is lacking rn is optimisation

[outer sphinx]

forgot the strain folder

[cobalt parcel]

lots of other games listen to the community and actually talk to us. idk why yall are defending them so hard

[wise delta]

What do you expect with other herbs? They did it with purpose of species contest for food

[crude girder]

I really don't know why you are struggling so much Lexa, seems like a one off issue, trying verifying your files to fix the scent issue

[lavish quail]

Grazing

[limber hull]

"every other game I play is better than this one"
"play them then"
"no i want to complain about this one"

[cobalt parcel]

that got drained out of me LOL i used to be an advocator for this game

[cobalt parcel]

yeah im gonna complain because maybe theyll listen then

[lavish quail]

“Guys Rex should one shot everyone”

[crude girder]

If the other games are better, go play and enjoy them since this game is clearly bad and never going to improve. No use torturing yourself unless you are into masochism.

[wise delta]

Bro all your being is salty rn, if you hate it so much leave. And no they won’t listen to one little voice that’s just saying ew bad updates cause it isn’t going the way you want it to

[cobalt parcel]

wow youre mature arent you

[lavish quail]

They won’t if your complaints are just shittalking with no real arguments

[crude girder]

That has never worked before, it's not going to suddenly start working after you've already said you are done, don't care, and won't be coming back

[cobalt parcel]

now yall are just repeating yourselves. yawn

[limber hull]

yes, because whining has always been the universal way for people to get what they want. In no scenario of our society has using our words to politely communicate our opinions ever been logical or far more effective

[wise delta]

The only arguments I heard was, updates take to long and I don’t like the way the game is heading

[signal beacon]

"Game bad" isn't feedback

[outer sphinx]

i think its been long enough that these comments arent even visible to the devs eyes lol

[lavish quail]

Your argument is bad game updates take to long

[lavish quail]

True

[snow valve]

Has there been any news for that Nvidia Bug that stops you from entering the games menus screen, the one that simply ends up crashing the game?

[cobalt parcel]

so i cant criticize the game without dondi fanboys running down my throat. nice! love this community

[paper oriole]

You offered no criticism

[crude girder]

"Game bad" isn't criticism

[cobalt parcel]

okay 🙂

[lavish quail]

Criticising is not that

[outer sphinx]

you want to critique, then give arguments not feelings

[wise delta]

Bro you’re not even criticising. Your literally giving poor arguments with no backing rn

[cobalt parcel]

ive made plenty of arguments, this isnt my only feedback suggestion lol

[crude girder]

source

[lavish quail]

“Updates are slow game is bad” isn’t a criticism

[lavish quail]

Source would be nice

Wait brb I’ll grab them

[wise delta]

All your doing rn is just hating and saying I don’t wanna play this. If you don’t then grow up grow a pair and go away. Don’t keep whining just leave then.

[cobalt parcel]

there's a lot of other people who say similar things. i see it every day in feedback.

[lavish quail]

Oh sorry let’s just ignore punch then

[limber hull]

and that has made the game change so much, let's replicate it

[crude girder]

Those similar things usually boil down to "Game bad, updates too slow, I don't like the clearly advertised future of the game, and I don't know what's going on behind the scenes"

with the proposed solutions usually being "Just make it better, build the game faster, remove this core feature, and tell us all the things since that's a totally normal thing to do"

[cobalt parcel]

but my point is that A LOT of people feel the same way. so we all should just be ignored?

[outer sphinx]

they just want the devs to film themselves 24/7 working on the game so they know the behind the scenes

[cobalt parcel]

like here's an example

Beezy#Cerato4Gore — Yesterday at 1:40 AM
Player numbers are dropping like flys Evrima is a broken boring mess legacy is somehow more enjoyable and you guys are still trying to release humans by the end of the year as for the sake of filling a promise that won’t be more then a base model and essentially a tech demo just for the sake of filling said promise when there’s clearly more important things to be working on
Also 3 months I believe of QA testing this games development moves along at a snails pace and ik if you say anything negative about this game here people act like you should worship and praise every update like it’s a gift from god himself but genuinely fix your shit and listen to the community it feels like things only get done when the community goes off on you guys like an angry parent and it’s kinda sad

[lavish quail]

Just check what punch sais he’s here like twice a week

[crude girder]

If the feedback is one of those four arguments, I'd argue yes it should be ignored. We know what the devs are planning, for humans as an example, and even though you may not like it, that's not going to change, so feedback saying humans should be delayed or removed entirely is best ignored

[outer sphinx]

well evrimas both branches untill now where fucked, safelog on main and bad perf on QA so the player numbers are waranted but rn from what i hear u4 is for the most part great

[lavish quail]

That’s just a lengthened game slow fix bugs

[crude girder]

same way that people who say "Carno shouldn't charge" would probably be ignored

[cobalt parcel]

an announcement would be nice once in a while. or maybe they can host a stage, if yall have seen those before. its basically where they talk to everyone in a vc sort of place

[crude girder]

It's the Carno's special ability, it's gonna stay that way until the devs say otherwise

[outer sphinx]

devblogs are more or less that

[limber hull]

i like how people's own personal opinion on humans in the Isle = devs bad. Some people are actually really excited, but hey, if it doesn't please literally everyone, it proves the devs are trash

[crude girder]

Punch, Hypno, Vis and occasionally others already pop into the Isle Discussion and answer questions and such as well

So it's not like the community has 0 interaction with the devs whatsoever

[barren zephyr]

found a food source, finally, but. i have now discovered that if its not your preffered food it only gives grazing food value and you cant get more than 20% food filled.

[outer sphinx]

im excited if they hit a nice tarkov experience, but even then im optimistic for them

[cobalt parcel]

it's not zero. but it's rather limited

[crude girder]

That is not true, you are grazing from grass instead of eating from the plant itself, try repositioning yourself

[outer sphinx]

well, they have to work on the game, they cant spend all day talking here

[lavish quail]

Punch talks in #isle-discussion twice a week, roadmap updates and phase 2 every week and about as hollow development they can

[limber hull]

im excited for the fucking walking camera mode, i dont even care about guns or whatnot

[outer sphinx]

im curious for the gameplay loop since for me its very enticing from what we've been told so far

[cobalt parcel]

sorry i dont sit in this discord 24/7 waiting for punch to say something in general chat. they should make an updates channel or post in announcements

[crude girder]

Part of that is likely due to necessity, can't exactly have the programmer take a day off from programming just to do a Q and A session, and even Punch has other jobs than just talk to community in islecord

[snow valve]

tbh humans really shouldn't be a thing right now, much of the game needs to be fixed / balanced and sorted diet system being one of them, it seriously needs balancing out across the species, the concept is great and would love to see, but not right now, its way too early still, I can see it coming late next year, by that point things should be in a far more stable state to introduce them into.

[lavish quail]

I mean they stream every so often allowing questions and shit

[outer sphinx]

there are yt channels that put everything major that devs say here in videos

[cobalt parcel]

oo careful dr bard. theyre gonna argue you on that

[lavish quail]

Humans are ez though even I can make them

[hallow plume]

There's a difference between constructive feedback and actively steering a game's development. You are never getting the latter. If you still want it, make your own game.
If you want to help improve what the developers are putting out, offer feedback. Constructively. "This sucks" does not work.
"Hey feature XYZ was better beforehand, here are reasons why and how the new mechanic is worse." This will at the very least get read, discussed and possibly implemented.

[outer sphinx]

did you play u4? (not QA)

[snow valve]

its not so much humans themselves, its everything that comes with them

[lavish quail]

We don’t exactly need them now but humans are needed

[crude girder]

I still stand by that the diet system relies on future mechanics, and the relatively short amount of dev time on humans won't have a significant impact on those future systems. Humans may only take like 2 weeks, while something like perks, which are tied to diets, would take far longer.

[lavish quail]

Also yeah definitely should of came with gore

[cobalt parcel]

in the past i have made plenty of feedback. ive seen others make feedback. rarely anything changes

[limber hull]

i would say humans are needed ASAP, but that's bias because I just want to play them with my mates

[crude girder]

We do also have several examples of balance changes and new mechanics that are community suggestions to be fair

[lavish quail]

Lul I’ll kill u all with my hypsi skills

[outer sphinx]

carno beeing a big one

[crude girder]

Things do not change every time a feedback post is made, but it also doesn't mean that every feedback post is ignored

[urban flax]

You're right tho. The Isle without humans is like Halo without humans, Doom without the Doom Slayer, or Primal Carnage without mercenaries.

[crude girder]

Humans are kind of the thing that sets The Isle apart from POT and BOB conceptually

aside from not being an MMO or more PVP focused

[outer sphinx]

and strains

[lavish quail]

Ok let’s ignore; carno nerf, Utah buff, teno buff, deino diet changes, carno AI removal, AI ambitions smaller, more common mud pools, diets split up and a lot more things then

[crude girder]

I'd argue that "mutant more power dinosaur" could be similar to the 2.0 states in BOB

[outer sphinx]

AI as a whole for short

[outer sphinx]

well... ig...

[lavish quail]

Don’t compare us to BoB I have ptsd from the 3.0 tropes going across the map at 300 mph and one shotting me

[cobalt parcel]

Okay have fun sucking the dev's toes, bye bye

[lavish quail]

Cya ig

Such beautiful and crafted criticism from him

[crude girder]

Just saying, both 2.0+ animals and Hyper strains have the huge size, speed, damage, health and (on paper anyway) increased hunger

[lavish quail]

But do they have wizard spino? Oooooohhhhh

[limber hull]

have fun living a sad boring life where you just hate things for the sake of hating them

i'll be over here enjoying my walking sim mercs

[lavish quail]

I want to be jumpscared so bad

But I don’t know if I would rather have dinos mess with me or just flat out instakill me out of no where

Both so scary

[limber hull]

best part about playing against humans is that they can and probably will eventually do both

[snow valve]

also, they really need to address the Nvidia GPU bug, its been nearly 3 months since it started and I still cant play the game, at first I thought it was my GPU fucking up, but I opened every game I owned and every single one opened perfectly and ran fine, even legacy opened perfectly fine, literally Evrima branch is the only thing on my system that will NOT open to the menus screen, simply crashes, I would love to play the game, not watch it from afar.

[urban flax]

Have you written a bug report about it ?

[outer sphinx]

wait, when you get attacked (like pounce) is it first person, i hope it is

[lavish quail]

Fixed with update 4 I think? Don’t quote me

Easy anticheat just sucks Tbf

[snow valve]

really?! I fucking hope it has I wanna play this game again already lmao XD

[lavish quail]

As of rn I don’t think it is based on what punch said at least

Just normal pounce

[outer sphinx]

i really hope for some attacks like pounce or death its in first person, want that immersion

[signal beacon]

Utah: gets a million buffs and one nerf

The playerbase: why nerf game bad!?

Oh and some fixes to its pounce

[outer sphinx]

the nerf isnt even a nerf, i believe like a 15 min change so its equal to packy

[signal beacon]

And blood pool nerfs to everyone to indirectly buff utah

[manic sun]

utah is fine now I'd say, haven't been in a pack hunt yet but I could kill some stuff solo already

[outer sphinx]

finally

[manic sun]

utah jzuz has heard us brothers

[signal beacon]

Utahs praying to dondi to not put them through that again:

[outer sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-food-finally-good-lucking-food-hungry-gif-16312925

[lavish quail]

raptor jesus heard our prayers

[lavish quail]

@barren zephyr

[manic sun]

he did and now we have to bring him the head of every mediocre and pathetic creature that tries to block us on our way to glory

tear them apart, show no mercy

none shall survive

[lavish quail]

[manic sun]

especially the bby stegos

[outer sphinx]

carnos*

[manic sun]

Our time has come and the last hour has struck for all life on Isla Spiro

[lavish quail]

#balance-feedback-discussion message

[manic sun]

everything*

[outer sphinx]

that includes utah tho

[manic sun]

the roleplayers

[outer sphinx]

oh yea...

[manic sun]

only the roleplayers

[lavish quail]

Utah isnt a thing, its a disciple of raptor jesus

[manic sun]

Rising up from the shadows of the docks, their revolution to evrima will be no match for us

[lavish quail]

Thats once public servers work

[signal beacon]

Pachy steps out of a bush

[lavish quail]

Pachy got its blood pool nerfed

[manic sun]

Armada of utah raptors coming out of the forests

[lavish quail]

Its actually fucked

[manic sun]

it is

[manic sun]

Instead of running away, it's... coming closer?

[signal beacon]

I mean its blood pool was already kinda doo doo. And one body fracture to the animal who relies on stamina is gonna do a number on it

[lavish quail]

Muda Muda Muda Muda Muda Muda Muda Muda Muda

[outer sphinx]

You swore you will destroy the RPers, not become one of them!

[signal beacon]

@tribal slate Imagine being so used to being invincible as stego that you dont know how to fucking buck and need an exploit to get utahs off

[outer sphinx]

kek

[signal beacon]

The Isle. He won't survive it.

[signal beacon]

What does kek mean?

[outer sphinx]

basically

[signal beacon]

Basically what?

[outer sphinx]

it means basically

[lavish quail]

Just basically

[signal beacon]

Oh

[barren zephyr]

alrighty so any creatures suck terribly or are gods now?

[manic sun]

kek means, at least where I come from, idiot or baka basically. We germans are weirdos ik. It isn't even a german word

[outer sphinx]

here the pronunciation is just a food

[manic sun]

It means cake in turkey I believe, doesn't it?. Or cookie idk lol.

[signal beacon]

@light meadow then what about animals that may rely on fractures and other effects to survive encounters?

[outer sphinx]

anky and packy: guess i'll die

[light meadow]

Not sure exactly, i was also pondering an above average "fracture movement"

[light meadow]

I dont really think allo would pose a threat to anky imo.

And i think pachy would be able to out manuver or out run.

[outer sphinx]

packy is slow on purpose, its meant to leg break and run, without leg break its dead

[signal beacon]

Allo already causes a lot of the roster to need wild abilities I dont think allo needs more to its name. Also magy may be a bruiser so that's s big problem.

[light meadow]

Well maybe just fast health regen would give the impression that i get from the allo skeletons.

Seriously these things got thrashed and kept on ticking.

[barren zephyr]

@ebon geyser why would you need that just search for the server you want bozo

[ebon geyser]

die of idiot

because im lazy and i dont have a preffered server

[barren zephyr]

favourites filter

just save the ones with players to that

ez bozo

[lavish quail]

Wait @manic flint how it that op?

Just seems useful to me

[barren zephyr]

I don't think it's that op, it's useful to carry the slow ass babies to their food

[manic flint]

OP in the sense that it becomes way to easy to protect babies
Just picking them up and running
Especially for a fast animal
It could make a lot of carnivores bad if they rely on that species for food, but are too small to hunt the adults

But that's just a maybe
Hence the reason I put a ? afterwards

It seems easily abusable by cannibals as well

But I'm not sure

[finite stag]

I mentioned this in general feedback but the guy seem to not have understood it. But right now, if you install evrima directly, it doesnt install easy anticheat, so you try to run the game and it closes. The solution I found online was to install legacy which will install easy anticheat, then reinstall evrima and it should run. Wouldnt it be easier if you just had it installed by default in evrima?

[plush rampart]

How’s U4 so far? Haven’t played it but I plan on it when I get home from work

[outer sphinx]

or you can just verify game files, i had the anticheat problem did that and it installed itself after

[icy lion]

The actual solution is to verify your game files

[finite stag]

I tried that and it didnt work

[icy lion]

It can take multiple verifications, it's a really annoying issue

[barren zephyr]

I mean it depends cuz if it's a single adult with a baby and run but they risk getting attacked cuz they are no longer able to fight back with a baby in their mouth so it had their draw backs, so i feel it's balanced

[finite stag]

well, Im trying the legacy install right now, ill let you know how that goes

[barren zephyr]

Also the cannibal aspect can be easily fixed by only allowing adult to grab babies from their own group

[manic flint]

For animals that are slower, yes

But what about carno? Or Galli when it gets in?

The downside of being a parent is that you have to protect this squishy, slow thing

So carrying it defeats the purpose for certain animals

But it could work

I just have some doubts

[finite stag]

i dont think carrying is op, its just a mechanic. A parent wouldnt be able to carry more than one any ways

I think you are overthinking this one man

[manic flint]

Perhaps

[light meadow]

I like the concept of carrying young, as an added viability to certain specieas.

[manic flint]

I like the concept too

[barren zephyr]

Big animals like Teno and stego are vulnerable but others would benefit it, it's also a nice way to make predators work for their meals, parents who aren't paying a tention will lose their baby but if you are and grab it on time to run then u win, also gives predators a means to be sneakier

[finite stag]

I think it would help a lot for people starting out the game for the first time, having someone to guide them. But you couldnt carry a whole batch of 5-6 babies from across the emap.

[manic flint]

I feel like it'll somehow be exploited
But the idea is good

[barren zephyr]

you did

I kinda just hate the feeling of being close to dehydration but i don't want to leave the noobie baby alone to die, so carry would be nice, another way to nerf it if needed would be stamina cost is increased when carrying a baby, specially if it's a larger baby or juvie

[scenic berry]

what do you think which assets didnt load where i took the screenshot? i would suspect coast to be there.

[barren zephyr]

The actual coastal area is in the west of the map
that weird looking coastal area isn't done yet (like docks)

[scenic berry]

I see, thanks

[barren zephyr]

@steel flower YOU CAN'T MESS WITH THE SCHEDULE MECHANICS ARE TOO IMPORTANT SPENDING A SLIGHT AMOUNT OF TIME ON A CREATURE THAT DOESN'T NEED TO COME IN WITH A MECHANIC MESSES EVERYTHING UP!!!! 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡

[steel flower]

Oh shit you're right, my bad

JK that's dumb as shit give us Cerato with gore cause it makes perfect sense

[barren zephyr]

Isle players be like "mechanics over dinosaurs"
The dinosaurs: drag everyone in for a whole
The mechanics: "can I be bothered to switch branch?"

What I wanna know is

[steel flower]

It would fit so well too. Just like Pachy fits with fractures, Troodon with night vision and Cerato with gore would be perfect.

Especially because after that they can just move on to perks

[manic flint]

Yea

[steel flower]

Or some other mechanic

[icy lion]

The problem is troodon relies on venom, the same way that pachy relied on fractures

[manic flint]

They're working on cera rn anyway so who knows when it'll come out

[steel flower]

Then put venom in update 5. It's not like any other dino is gonna have venom, so why restrict it to a certain update?

[icy lion]

Dilo and megalania will have venom

[steel flower]

One of those is not even on the roadmap and the other one is gonna have a completely different kind of venom than Troodon

I was talking short term, no other dino soon to come out has venom

So there's no need to have an entire update revolving around venom

[barren zephyr]

Pachy could still have come later on, in fact it was planned and ended up working that way, fractures still work without it, via heights

[steel flower]

They're also working on Beipi, which is such a nothing dino they could just sneak it in somewhere

[barren zephyr]

Sure it's only one of the 3 fractures but it works doesn't it?

Dinosaurs don't really go in updates because they NEED to, they go in updates because they'd be perfect to, which is why so many people want Ovi in update 5

[steel flower]

Yeah honestly Ovi would go well with update 5 and troodon with 5.5

[barren zephyr]

And then Cera update 6

[ebon geyser]

more dinos, more things to break the monotony

like i dont wanna wait till post gore just to get a playable that dies to everything

[steel flower]

But we're definitely not getting that because skins and nesting are definitely enough to bring in the players from Legacy (it's not, they'll keep playing Legacy because they can be their favorite albino Giga Tumblr OC)

[barren zephyr]

Like as long as they dedicate some time now to making the game fucking playable I don't think people will mind the wait as much, like if 3.5 and 3.75 never happened people wouldn't have cared about the 4 month wait for update 4, because the game actually worked minus some bugs but every patch has bugs so

[proud coral]

Ovi I think is an "unlikely, but possible" for U5 based on recent comments from Kissen. She was saying it was initially planned, but stuff got in the way. However, it's not entirely impossible though....

Just....prolly won't happen.

But not guaranteed 😛

[steel flower]

Kissen also said the roster will be split up or whatever the fuck so I wouldn't trust most things she says

[proud coral]

[barren zephyr]

They gotta at least do Beipi, that little fuckers probably gonna eat eggs right? It's not the end of the world if they make nesting without an omnivore but it'd be perfect

Solution: make Pachy omnivorous

[steel flower]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[barren zephyr]

As in my favourite games Primal carnage and beasts of Bermuda that is how it be

[ebon geyser]

pachy being omnivorous make it funny

+more reason to kill everything around me

[barren zephyr]

They won't give a flying fuck about evrima nesting if they don't like evrima, they WILL care about being able to yoink children as an Ovi, problem solved

[steel flower]

But that's the fun part, killing everything in sight and not even eating any of your kills makes it even more fun to play

Like, to me, that's the fun playing Pachy

Knowing I could just avoid everybody and just eat my plants but I actively choose not to

[outer sphinx]

What is this, BoB?

[ebon geyser]

yes

[barren zephyr]

[lavish quail]

They do need more dinos though

[lavish quail]

only 1 more step untill we have PCE pachy

[outer sphinx]

rn they are adding core mechanics, the faster we get these the faster we can get more dinos

[barren zephyr]

Yeah and you can tell because if you played QA Pachy and then went onto public branch, and more specifically a free grow or fight server, everything felt really barren

[steel flower]

We all know that's not true. We're still gonna wait ages for updates anyway even without dinos, so we may as well wait a little extra and also get dinos in the meantime

[lavish quail]

Yeah its really not great having two fighting carnivores

[barren zephyr]

^
As long as game work while we wait that is

[ebon geyser]

imagine getting dilo

[lavish quail]

I mean kissen and the rest of the animators dont have alot to do for UP5

I can see us getting a dino

[ebon geyser]

one of the most popular playables and a mid tier that would be good for the game rn

instead of the dinosaur that never existed

[lavish quail]

Jace has their hands full though

[barren zephyr]

Troodon players pulling up in a pack to hunt only to get wiped out by a single alt attack from a Tenonto

[lavish quail]

with acrid, coastal expansion, better plains more water ect

[lavish quail]

Utah will be terrifying to them

the buff to alt bite is scary against low tier things

[barren zephyr]

What buff?

[lavish quail]

It can full sprint after an Alt bite, if you consider that a buff and not a fix

[barren zephyr]

Its damage got nerfed

[lavish quail]

Still does massive damage to anything hiding

[ebon geyser]

still probably enough to deal serious dmg to the smalls

especially troodon

[lavish quail]

Its like what 95 damage now?

[outer sphinx]

still oneshots troo

[ebon geyser]

WAIT WHAT

[outer sphinx]

75

[ebon geyser]

bBRO I THOUGHT IT WAS LESS THAN LMB

[barren zephyr]

Funny you say that because it took seira like 4 to 5 alt bites to kill a resting sub Utah as an adult

Feels like they nerfed it again maybe, cause it wasn't THAT bad in QA

[lavish quail]

More

Same with most dinos

[outer sphinx]

sub utah is like what... 350, troo is 50 at most, so alt doing 75...

[lavish quail]

troodon should be like 55

Adds a tiny bit of edge against juvies

[silver zephyr]

troodon doing 55 damage would allow it to 1 shot itself lol, well depending on weight

[lavish quail]

Yo mr beast video and isle update in the same day

[barren zephyr]

No lol its like 200 max

[bitter lotus]

@tribal slate you have been given a smaller turn radius and can still one hit them from a very young age and you can buck im sorry you actually have to... try instead of backing yourself into a corner and waiiting for them to die to your tail

[lavish quail]

Probably not

[barren zephyr]

As for Troodon, it doesn't weigh that little does it? If so it'll probably get trashed by dryo

[barren zephyr]

The sub Utah

[lavish quail]

Its like 300 is it not?

[ebon geyser]

yeah itll be going tooth and nail w/ dryo

[barren zephyr]

Nah

[lavish quail]

If dryo doesnt get an alt attack its fucked by troodons

[outer sphinx]

it is, around 50

[steel flower]

They should just make Troodon 100 kg. There's no way it would work with being smaller than that

[outer sphinx]

let me check...

troo is 40

[lavish quail]

It forces you to vommit it can definitely work with that, do you not see it getting one shot by utah?

[barren zephyr]

The way growth works has you gain most of your growth in your last 35-25%, so not even a fresh adult utah weighs 300, in fact I'm not even sure if it weighs 250, might be wrong for that one though

[lavish quail]

Ill check later im like a 40% utah rn

just shit on a carno player with a pounce tech and im feeling good

[barren zephyr]

All I know is that 50% Utah is no where near 300, its not even close to half of adult utahs weight

[lavish quail]

Wait fresh 50% no way

[barren zephyr]

It looked it, it was pretty small

[lavish quail]

Im 40% and im only at 100kg

[steel flower]

Troodon being the size of a juvi Carno is just dumb imo

[lavish quail]

How so? its a sneaky little bastard

[barren zephyr]

That gets one shot by almost every playable

[lavish quail]

Getting one shot by most creatures is inevitable for its size, even if its was 100kg it would get shit on

[steel flower]

So geting stunned by a charge from a fresh spawn carno after half an hour of growth sounds fun to you? tf

[outer sphinx]

thats... the idea of smalls tho

[lavish quail]

It wont be that long a growth and it wouldnt do a lot of stun

[steel flower]

Also stunned by a fresh spawn Teno, same thing

[lavish quail]

Hypsi is 20kg lul

[barren zephyr]

Yeah nice singular bite worth of venom bro, get alt swinged and grow for another 30 minutes

[outer sphinx]

if a carno can hit a tiny agile fuck thats on the tiny agile fuck not on the carno

[lavish quail]

True

[steel flower]

Troodon needs to be bigger, stop acting like being the size of a juvi after half an hour of growth sounds fun

[lavish quail]

I would put troodon in the HARD tier tbh

Same with utah and teno

[barren zephyr]

*fresh spawn

[lavish quail]

Its gonna be fun when you bring down a teno with that mf

[barren zephyr]

50 kg puts it below fresh spawn Carno weight lol

[lavish quail]

His whole thing is Daytime bad night time

[outer sphinx]

i like how troo is one, but not ovi nor beipi, not every dino has to be fun for you, thats the idea of a hugeroster

[lavish quail]

The only upsize i want is for cera

[outer sphinx]

ehh...

[barren zephyr]

See if they spent more time on small tiers Troodon would be good because it could fight like Beipi and Homalo in the day, and then lose half its pack to a singular Utah at night, but instead they added stego and deino to the game

[outer sphinx]

1300 is already big for cera

[lavish quail]

i want 1.5 ton cera sheerly for the fact that it could fight carno in a good enviroment

1.3 would work too

anything above 1.2 is fine for me

[outer sphinx]

cera isnt even living in the same biomes as carno

[lavish quail]

Yeah but upon release he's probably gonna have to go to plains, where he would get fucked

And i dont want carno going into a forest to facetank them

[outer sphinx]

thats the beauty of smalls, they are like insects, living in their own little world, untill a trike steps and kills 6 of them

[barren zephyr]

Cera should win in a facetank with Carno there are no excuses for it not being able to

[outer sphinx]

thats... pretty far away, i wouldnt worry

[outer sphinx]

def, it is a brawler afterall

[lavish quail]

100% needs to

[barren zephyr]

It's supposed to be the bully scavenger, what kind of bully are you if you get beat up by a sausage on legs

[ebon geyser]

i hope they make cera/carno a fun rivalry for both parties

[lavish quail]

If it was like 1.2 tons but had a "stun lock" attack so to say i wouldnt mind

[steel flower]

The only way Cerato would lose to a Carno should be if the Cerato gets charged

[lavish quail]

but that would be so shit for balance

[steel flower]

Otherwise, bite to bite Cerato should always win easily

[barren zephyr]

Was about to say that

[lavish quail]

Hence why we dont like plains as cerato

[outer sphinx]

cera seems to be pretty agile overall so has that on its side, plus better swim speed

[lavish quail]

Btw sub adult utah is 150kg

[steel flower]

Which is why they should just say "fuck accurate sizes" and make it bigger

[lavish quail]

Cera is the only execption

i dont want no 5 ton allo going around

[steel flower]

Even in the plains it is very easy to dodge carno charges if you're agile, which Cerato is supposed to be

[lavish quail]

In plains it should lose a lot more

its in the open, there are more carnos, its really not great for our boy

[outer sphinx]

in plains carno can just choose when to engage, its just vast open space for it to run on

[steel flower]

Things like Magy, Megalania, Troodon, Ovi, all those should also be exceptions.

[lavish quail]

Ehhhhhh

[outer sphinx]

cera might be able to hold its ground but not forever

[lavish quail]

Megalania can go into burrows 200kg is far more than enough

Ovi is fine i guess

magy is actually downsized i believe

[steel flower]

It's actually a ton

[lavish quail]

and troodon is fine

[lavish quail]

Wait tf fr?

[outer sphinx]

troo and ovi no, magy is weird overall so perhaps and mega is 1t

[barren zephyr]

Cerato is such a good pick, not just for gore, but because

-it's something for Carno to fight, and for tenonto to have a chance with without it running away like a little bitch the second it gets hit
-it gives Utah a carnivore it can actually play the offensive on, because Cera can't run away
-it apparently is gonna have something interesting with stego
-hypsis can actually reliably blind it on herd fights because it's slow enough
-ptera gets a rival scavenger to look out for
-it's gonna be fucking up younger deinos
-Pachy vs Cera needs no explanation, Pachy vs Cera

[lavish quail]

mega is 1t???

[outer sphinx]

yep

[lavish quail]

Ive been lied to for a long time, more proto dont stand no chance

[outer sphinx]

komodos today are like 200+ ofc mega is way bigger, nvm they are like 80

[trail mesa]

@light meadow i think allo should have good regen to simulate that resilience rather than resistance. also just goes well with its kit

[lavish quail]

If komodo was 80kg i would be incredibly scared

those mfs dont lose a chase when they start one

[outer sphinx]

umm... they are 80kg...

[lavish quail]

Sorry 200kg

I saw one chase down a deer for 3 days

not to mention their venomous

[worn pumice]

enjoy

[barren zephyr]

Dude Bary is such a sexy beast

He's the only semi ill probably actively play

[lavish quail]

Bary is hot

Why cant cera be bigger

I want my bad time trio of mid tier carnivores

[worn pumice]

its already using very large estimates

[outer sphinx]

its already way bigger thna normal

[worn pumice]

just make it a win a facetank with carno

so it forces carno to use charge

or maybe cera will have some ability to help it

[lavish quail]

Give it lock jaw that stun locks

[barren zephyr]

Cera having any less than 250 bite force is a crime against humanity

[outer sphinx]

weight isnt the end all be all, stop thinking that, utah is a great ex of punching way above its weight class

[lavish quail]

^^^

[outer sphinx]

270 at least

[lavish quail]

WAIT HOLY SHIT THEY DID MY BOY UTAH DIRTY

[manic flint]

True

[lavish quail]

Hypsi dryo or deino

[outer sphinx]

now you opened your eyes to see the crime that utah model is?

[lavish quail]

Thats actually a crime

[barren zephyr]

-wins Carno facetank
-deals with utahs better because it doesn't have the luxury of running
-2 shots Pachy with good bite placement because Pachys are gonna harass Ceras
-I like Cerato

[lavish quail]

No i love our JP monstrosity

[outer sphinx]

last one really came out of nowhere, really unexpected

[worn pumice]

[barren zephyr]

It may have been a mystery until now but the secrets out

[worn pumice]

cera model is very neato

too bad it sucked in legacy

[outer sphinx]

hf with 2 nutrients

[worn pumice]

hopefully it gets the pachy treatment

[barren zephyr]

You'll be fine you can grow to full if you stock up before 50%

[lavish quail]

No wait there is a hypsi that keeps spam responing in an attempt to kill a freshspawn utah

[worn pumice]

ye

[lavish quail]

Just killed to pachys, now to use their bodys to bait carnos and then ill have a diet of everything above 150%

[manic flint]

I agree

[barren zephyr]

Great, people are now salty at my roster suggestions.

[manic flint]

People want all of them
I also want all of them
Evrima itself (The beta) will only have the 'inhabitants'

[barren zephyr]

Yeah except I explicitly stated it was a roster for OFFICIAL SERVERS, not the entire game.

[manic flint]

I know

[manic flint]

I never said 'for the whole game'
People want them all in official

[barren zephyr]

bruh

are people really that rabid?

[lavish quail]

Not enough dinosaurs!

[barren zephyr]

I mean the Devs themselves have actually stated they're going to choose actually viable animals for the roster.

[manic flint]

Yes
Why wouldn't you want to be able to play all the dinosaurs in the game?

[lavish quail]

Me want rex rex rex and rex

[low canopy]

obviously bloated roster is going to be a massive fucking issue down the line, but its what ever right, just another issue to add to the pile

[worn pumice]

Wait

[lavish quail]

Everythings an issue down the line buts its fineee

[worn pumice]

Is growth different now

[barren zephyr]

Yes, except still community servers can cater that.

[manic flint]

And?

[barren zephyr]

Yeah so you don't need every single fucking playable in the game on official servers

[worn pumice]

Balance them all properly is gonna be a problem

[manic flint]

People still want it tho
That's the point I'm making here

[barren zephyr]

^ I actually thought out the roster SPECIFICALLY for balance and diversity

[low canopy]

also the more roster expands, the less attention balance issues on animals get, especially those that are played less

[barren zephyr]

And tbf 22 animals is plenty for most players.

[worn pumice]

Yup

[barren zephyr]

The thing is that 50+ is already a huge number of animals. Unless it's a park builder or any other game that's really lazy with dinosaurs and instead adds them as AI and/or scripted entities or something (e.g. ark), then that's pointless.

[ashen elm]

Problems with your roster
lack of mid tiers (Sucho, Theri, Para only?) and lack of obvious favorites like Allo
lack of herbivores above trike weight (no Shant or Cama/Bronto)

Also I would never play them, but taking out Giga and Spino as the apex trio is just asking to be downvoted. (also you put in Oviraptor and Galli when those two already have big overlap)

[barren zephyr]

Giga and spino also happen to compete with Tyrannosaurus, and to an almost comically high degree. As if they were trying to make unnecessary fights to the death commonplace...

[ashen elm]

Yes they are Rex's competition and big draws for some people.

[barren zephyr]

"Competition"

You mean stupid unnecessary rivals?

[ashen elm]

Yes... why are you acting like seeing dinosaurs fight each other isn't a huge draw of this game?

If I wanted a realistic ecosystem, I'd play Saurian, which is boring

[barren zephyr]

Having a game based around combat alone is rather stupid. Yet again seeing as I like fights I guess I am a hypocrite, so...

[ashen elm]

It shouldn't be based on combat alone, but popularity is a big draw and a factor I'm sure the team is considering

[barren zephyr]

Except if I were to choose an opponent for a Tyrannosaur, it likely wouldn't be another giant carnivorous dinosaur. A bad tempered herbivore like Deinocheirus or Therizinosaurus would be a better option.

[worn pumice]

honestly im not sure if spino will be competition for rex

def a contender but idk about competition since their diets will probably be drastically different

[ashen elm]

Er, Deinocherius and Theri are dinosaurs. Do you mean herbivore vs carnivore?

[barren zephyr]

And also rex-vs-rex battles aren't out of the question

[ashen elm]

Maybe, but that is less fun then seeing multiple apex carnivores in one area.
I usually like paleo-accucracy, but if we're having mutant dinosaurs and monsters in this game, the roster can handle more than one giant carnivore.

[worn pumice]

theres a lot of herbivores who can fight a rex if u want it to have an opponent

[ashen elm]

That really isn't the point, the point is people want to be able to play popular apex carnivores like Giga, Spino.
and mid tiers like Allo and Alberto

[barren zephyr]

Eh ok I'm adding giga. Or perhaps allo can do the job if you count Epanterias as Allosaurus

[worn pumice]

well all the playables r coming to the game so whatever we say is pointless

[ashen elm]

Yes, I'm just explaining why removing all those playable from officials is unpopular.

[worn pumice]

unless the dev team make a huge decision

removing any playables from official wouldnt be fun

[ashen elm]

Yep, it's the main story and I'm sure specific events will happen only there; so everyone will want their favorites in.

[barren zephyr]

I'm not talking about removing shit from the game, I'm talking about the roster for officials

[ashen elm]

That is what we're talking about.

[worn pumice]

yes removing specific playables from official isn't good

[barren zephyr]

Balance has priority over favourites. If someone starts whining, you might as well be apathetic and say "who cares?"

The game can't cater for everybody.

@barren zephyr Minmi

[ashen elm]

Everything needs to be balanced regardless of what mode/server they are in, outside of the mutants obviously.

[worn pumice]

removing a dinosaur from the playable list on official isn't the right decision either

they need to balance the dinosaur anyways so why not include it to official

[barren zephyr]

you want 56 playables on a server of around 100 players?

^ that would room leave less than two individuals of each

[ashen elm]

Sure

[worn pumice]

why not

[barren zephyr]

around (if you're lucky) 2 players per playable

good luck trying to form packs 🙂

^

[worn pumice]

thats considering every person plays a different dinosaur

[ashen elm]

Your not going to get a balanced playerbasse regardless, even with Evrima's roster Dryo and Hypsi are extinct and Carno's are a plague. Get used to it.

[barren zephyr]

and you'll get bias
more people playing Utah, Rex, and loved pop culture dinosaur

[barren zephyr]

So why throw it out of the box with ALL playables on one official server?

[ashen elm]

Exactly, you are not going to be prevent regardless.

[worn pumice]

the popular dinosaurs will always have more players ofc not much u can do in that aspect

[barren zephyr]

so, make sure not all playables are actually playable on the official server

[ashen elm]

Because people should be able to choose what they want. And some dinosaurs will always be popular. If you pick an unpopular one, get used to struggling finding packmates.

[barren zephyr]

Yeah, so play an unofficial server with that dinosaur or another Official Server WITH that playable

we're talking about the base Evrima Official Server experience

[ashen elm]

No? There's no reason to limit on officials.

[barren zephyr]

You're aware fucking nobody is restricted to officials only, unless they're unfortunate enough to have gotten banned from every single community server.

Not any other official server experience

[barren zephyr]

I've said it above

[ashen elm]

That's not a good reason, again there will be unbalanced playerbase and it already exists in Evrima

[barren zephyr]

I don't give a shit about unbalanced playerbase

You want to give, on paper, an equal amount of players per dinosaur

and a proper number

not 1 or 2 people per dinosaur

[ashen elm]

People are not going to choose every single dinosaur on the roster, they will choose the same popular dinosaurs as they did with Legacy

[barren zephyr]

I don't want to play "theoretical" pack hunter and find only one other person

[barren zephyr]

Yes, and that can be likely remedied with balances. Carnos a nuisance? Make it harder for them by giving them problems like predators to deal with. Not necessarily anything larger than it as an adult, but something which could easily as well hunt or compete with juveniles or subadults

[barren zephyr]

Of course.
So make it fair

Don't allow everyone the choice of every playable

[ashen elm]

That's seem arbitrary and dumb IMO

[barren zephyr]

why

I'm going off the actual math of it

I can't see why there CAN'T be an unofficial server with ALL playables

[ashen elm]

Because your not preventing anything, it's a useless limitation that will happen regardless. Like sandbox is basically same ecosystem, just with slightly more variety

[barren zephyr]

but, it shouldn't be for the official Evrima Server experience

[barren zephyr]

Uuuh no? People can make their choices. They likely will play as something that will interest them. The only reason why I might play as fucking Teno isn't because it's popular, but because it's one of the few playable animals in the game at the moment.

[barren zephyr]

Literally just a server called "Chaos Mode"
Sandbox, all playables.

Grow, hope and play

25 or so playables would be sufficient for a 100 player server. Because then animals can actually find others of their kind

[barren zephyr]

theoretically, yes

[ashen elm]

Sandbox you can still do that. You think people will be choosing the 10+ number of smalls when Hypsi and Dryo players are extinct?

[barren zephyr]

of course, there is the bias to play popular dinosaurs.
Utah, Rex, Trike, etc

[barren zephyr]

Sandbox can do whatever it wants

[barren zephyr]

Yes.

this is about the actual Official Evrima Server experience

seeing as the devs are allowing unofficial server customisation

Perhaps dryo and hypsi as AI only might work better than as playables

[ashen elm]

I'm saying it's the same for officials, this limitation is dumb because people will still choose whatever is popular. People want a social experience and will switch playable according to what is popular on the server. Most anyway.

[barren zephyr]

I mean, if you go FULL ON hyperbolic.
Then yes, people will "ALWAYS" pick utah and popular dinosaurs

but, technically, that's not always correct

[ashen elm]

When is Utah not popular on a server?

[barren zephyr]

rhetorical ^

I'm saying that, a smaller and more limited playable roster for "THE OFFICIAL EVRIMA EXPERIENCE" not anything else. Not any other Official The Isle Experience- Only "EVRIMA"
currently.
Should limit the actual playable roster when we actually get more dinosaurs. Eg. Allo, rex, etc

Also popular isn't really a particularly clear term. If wanting to actually use a far more consistently measurable term, then "amount of Utahs on a full server"

[ashen elm]

Why split hairs? Just say there are popular dinosaurs and most likely people will pick them regardless of how many playables on the roster

[barren zephyr]

And it likely will vary.

[barren zephyr]

because that's predictability
and because I've said it before
that there will always be bias

[barren zephyr]

Going against your previous point of not wanting to limit the official experience roster.

[ashen elm]

Your worry is that people will be unable to pack, but it's just not realistic if we have popular dinosaurs. Some animals will struggle but they probably know that when they choose the animal.

[barren zephyr]

hence why it's all theoretical.
It being better to be safe than sorry. No?

[ashen elm]

No

[barren zephyr]

Oh ok

I will walk on a tight rope without a harness then

thank you

[ashen elm]

lol sorry, I just really disagree with this stance. But I don't think it's an unpopular view point considering how recieved yours suggestion is. Good luck trying to decide who should be officials

[barren zephyr]

Fair enough, but still the main point of my list was to choose animals that would actually feasibly coexist and flesh out the island's environment without a shit ton of needless competition from similar species

[ashen elm]

I'm sure they will do some cutting to the official roster, it's just going to very messy on what gets in.

See the reaction people had to Kissen comment on a "split roster"

[barren zephyr]

I mean, Xander's suggestion implemented certain playables.
Not the call for a proper Limitation depending on what the devs think right

^

and also, split roster was about half of the roster being only playable on Evrima and the other being on another map

Want to play Magy? Play Evrima.
Want to play Allo? Play on [Insert new island name]

Which, was a shitty idea

When I mentioned that we may not have all animals as playable on official servers, maybe it's more prudent for me to give you a specific example as to why that is said. Simply, it's better than saying that they will, as it grants us far more room to appropriately adjust things should certain animals not pan out as intended during development or testing. So if we were to flat out state "Every animal will be playable on official servers" We'd back ourselves into a corner when it comes to a variety of animals that we simply don't have significant gameplay data on right now, a major example of this being things like Titanoboa, as figuring out how constriction would work in a multiplayer environment is the equivalent of exploring a whole new continent.

but we also know that the suggestion of limiting certain playables on "OFFICIAL EVRIMA SERVERS" is something the devs have had on their minds

[ashen elm]

That kinda sounds what you are suggesting for "balanced" rosters earlier, which is why I brought it up.

As for Xander's suggestion, again it's limiting the roster which is unpopular.

[barren zephyr]

I mean, that's more of a dictator-like move. Where you can ONLY play Magy on Evrima.

because, we know there will be multiple gamemodes, islands and different official server types in the future

and most people don't understand what limiting the roster actually does and why have it in the first place

[silver rose]

To disengage from a pounce, all I have to do is let go of the RMB right? Because sometimes I do that and my Utah still stays latched on the target. Just wanted to know before I report a bug.

[ashen elm]

I'm aware, but people didn't like the idea either of trying to remove certain playable in general just because another certain playable would struggle against it; which is my point.

They should balanced regardless of where they are played.

[barren zephyr]

I don't see much care with balance about this.
This is more of a playable count with only 100 players per server

[ashen elm]

Again, that was a criticism I saw when that comment happened which is why I brought it up.

As for the playercount, again it's a needless worry when popularity exists.

[barren zephyr]

Most people are panning the suggestion probably because their feelings got hurt by their favourites not getting included, not by the actual intended function of it.

[ashen elm]

That's definitely a factor yes.

[barren zephyr]

even though, they'll still be playable on other Officials and unofficials

[barren zephyr]

which is going to happen but also quite unpredictable

you'll always get that "one" person who is trying to play a playable

There's ranting for a reason. And then there's ranting because you're a salty fanboy.

[ashen elm]

Mmm maybe, but if you are going for a roster, it doesn't make sense to not have some of the most popular animals in there; Allo is a glaring one.

[calm granite]

are the servers still crashing?

[barren zephyr]

Understandable, but we'll get other official servers with allo and friends

[ashen elm]

Also I mentioned what problems you roster had already.
Lack of mids, lack of large herbivores outside of Trike/Stego, overlap with certain choices like Ovi and Galli.

It's just not a good roster IMO.

[barren zephyr]

The Galli-Ovi overlap is sorta stupid.

For starters, you have diets, which can make some food sources more desirable than others.

[ashen elm]

I don't play Allo, I just think you'd include one of your most popular animals in the main story instead of something like... Proto or Magy, which isn't going to appeal to most people.

[barren zephyr]

Secondly, saying that galli outcompetes ovi is like saying ostriches outcompete ground hornbills just because both are omnivores (which isn't true, they're contemporaries). Besides, both galli and ovi were contemporaries anyway, which sort of further dissolves the argument (though not entirely relevant to the isle)

[ashen elm]

I just don't think they play different enough to deserve their own spots, if you are going to limit it this way.

[low canopy]

we have yet to hear what makes ovi good at anything at all

[lavish storm]

Nest raiding would be cool

[ashen elm]

tfw Galli also eats eggs

[low canopy]

tfw galli also faster and bigger

[barren zephyr]

I mean they still will exploit different food sources. I'd expect Galli to rely less on eggs and more on grazing and picking out small animals like lizards (much like ostriches and emus)

[ashen elm]

That seems like small details, compared to what other animals could bring in terms of gameplay experiences.

[worn pumice]

isnt ovi supposed to have mimic abilities? (nvm thats troodon)

[barren zephyr]

Specific foods can be desired, less diserable or not edible at all. That is how it should generally work for omnis (and most other animals in general)

[ashen elm]

No, that's Troodon

[low canopy]

troodon got it afaik

[worn pumice]

sadge

[barren zephyr]

And generally speaking diets will (hopefully) become broader as more food sources are introduced.

[ashen elm]

rip
anyway, hopefully that helped at least a bit on why some people feel this why. Gotta go