general-feedback-discussion

[little nexus]

Will austro be able to do a bit of a glide with its feathers? Or a slow descent?

[honest sparrow]

doubt it

[lethal hamlet]

and that's super dumb lol, they could at least try

[limber hull]

why is it dumb

dude liked jurassic park so much he essentially made a large-scale game just so he can have his best possible JP experience

[lavish quail]

Hence our beautiful Utah

Oh yeah stop troodon hate

[limber hull]

@bleak atlas I believe cera would add to the ecosystem, however, a nocturnal predator with venom helps add new mechanics and actually gives utah something to hunt

A cera, as cool as it is, would not fit in this plains-centric ecosystem

Its far too reliant on water

And denser foliage

[lavish quail]

I wanna believe that cera is a horrible creature to pick a fight with; and u would be better running away but let’s be honest carnos gonna maul it in plains

[limber hull]

And they should

Cera is a slow brawler style animal

[barren zephyr]

and another reason for mercs to be scared at night (of smalls)

[barren zephyr]

from what we have heard.
Cera, being the bully brawler.

Shouldn't be easy to fight with.

Especially if it wants some of your food

[limber hull]

yea which is why stunning the hell out of it as a carno would be good

hence why plains bad

[barren zephyr]

yes

[bleak atlas]

Yeah thats why troodon isnt as bad. But they could still add it a bit later. Its not bad to add, but also not needed

[paper oriole]

Ceratopsians as a majority dont seem like social animals cross-species/genus. If herbivores get cross chat it would make most sense to be between the hadrosaurs which would also make them more unique

Or as a server toggle option if its more widespread

Also for balance reasons, ceratopsians are a very diverse and offensive group so allowing the faster ceras to group and chat with the huge tanks easily through the game could pose a problem

[limber hull]

cross-chat for therapods when

[paper oriole]

Oh god

Imagine

[limber hull]

ahahaha

how cancer would that be

[paper oriole]

Also arent animals like cherry, theri, ovi and galli considered tberopods

Imagine a theri allo mix pack

[limber hull]

absolutely fair

personally, not a fan of "cross-speech" as an ability

[outer sphinx]

ehh, as obvious as it is, it didnt even exist so i can accept it, plus i love its calls

[paper oriole]

If something gets away from you in a hunt and initiates safe log which makes them snore and go blind for its duration then i think you deserve the L honestly

[pale walrus]

Will there ever be something like a shaking mechanic for DEINO or other large dino's who grab their prey but don't kill it like thrash damage??

[honest sparrow]

It would be so unbalanced and bad but also stupid funny

[haughty radish]

why do the leaves move when scenting? Is this a bug?

[lavish quail]

No just its thing

[pallid frost]

na2 down?

[mystic lion]

i am. you would need it for something like a deathmatch server, which is where i've made tons of isle friends. and it's useful for herbivore herds, for example.

[limber hull]

except im not talking about deathmatch servers, which are sandbox

[urban flax]

Deatchmatch is not the intented gameplay

[paper oriole]

They should just bring back global chat with sandboxes as an option for that server setting exclusively so then people can shittalk cross species in deathmatches again

[urban flax]

Once we have a sandbox gamemode, sure

[paper oriole]

Well that is what i just said

[lime harbor]

@rare fractal I feel like Galli with feathers should only be optional and everyone knows Galli without feathers so that will always be default

[rare fractal]

Seems like a really bad reason to have default Galli be naked, it’s like answering 2+2 with 5 because people are used to it.

[lavish quail]

Naked gali better

we like our karate boi without feathers

[rare fractal]

Who’s we

[lavish quail]

I guess we?

Idk feathers kinda meh

[rare fractal]

Why

[lavish quail]

default no feathers is easier anyway

[rare fractal]

Yes, but we have feathered dinos already planned

[lavish quail]

Yeah but like perma feathered ones

Plus the gali they have shown us and modelled has no feathers

[rare fractal]

So add feathers

[lavish quail]

But not as default :p

[rare fractal]

Why

[lavish quail]

most people dont look at paleo stuff

Utah doesnt need feathers as default but it could use them

[rare fractal]

1: You don’t even know that to be true.
2: This is a game where dinosaurs are the primary subject matter, a topic that is inherently paleo related.

[lavish quail]

Yes

[rare fractal]

Utah doesn’t need feathers but it’d make way more sense for it to have them

[lavish quail]

but skeletons cant exactly confirm feathers

[rare fractal]

Yes they can

[lavish quail]

Eh i didnt know that

[rare fractal]

Plus the rocks surrounding the bones preserve feathers if in good enough condition

Microraptor is kinda famous for that

[limber hull]

this is a literal JP homage, of course galli's gonna be naked

[rare fractal]

The majority of the creature designs in this game don’t agree with that

[lavish quail]

True i did buy this game cause it looked like JP

Thought the raptor looked cool

Isnt dondi a massive JP fan too

[jovial hazel]

But.. but.. feathers! 🤓

[rare fractal]

Why not, is there a reason for it not to have them

[lavish quail]

Nah its cool to have them

just not as default cause thats less cool

[rare fractal]

That’s not a reason but ok

[lavish quail]

Pretty good reason ngl

[rare fractal]

No, cuz all I need to say in order for that to not be a point is to say “I think feathers are cooler”

[limber hull]

i like jp

[rare fractal]

So do I, one of my favorite movies ever made

[jovial hazel]

Eh. I think they could look cool with feathers. I just like laughing at how distraught people seem to be over not having them.

[outer sphinx]

im more annoyed by utahs calls lol

[rare fractal]

Yeah it can be rather entertaining, I don’t have any emotional attachment to them so I can’t fulfill that desire unfortunately, I just notice the glaring design inconsistency

[lavish quail]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[bright tide]

All I want is for the game to make some actual progress.
I dont care of it's based on anything or inaccurate as long as it has some damn quality and work put into it.

[rare fractal]

The calls prior to U3.75 were really neat

[lavish quail]

Chad Jp utah

https://tenor.com/view/wojak-soyboy-omg-yes-omg-oh-my-god-gif-21270967

[outer sphinx]

welcome to The Isle, theres no consistency here

[rare fractal]

You mean Velociraptor

[lavish quail]

vs antichad feather utah

[lavish quail]

I mean our utah

[outer sphinx]

i mean the 1:1 copy of the JP sounds, they didnt even bother to change them a bit like they did for rex

[rare fractal]

Irl Utah would beat the shit out of the JP Raptors, wouldn’t even be close

[lavish quail]

But dw they got plot armour and teamwork!

[rare fractal]

Well no, there are many consistent elements of the designs in the game, it’s why the Jp ripoffs classify as inconsistencies

[lavish quail]

They cant lose that fight

[rare fractal]

So the JP Raptors would beat Superman in a fight because of plot armor and teamwork?

[lavish quail]

Depends if he also has plot armour

[rare fractal]

And plus the amount of Raptors that die in JP is laughable, blue is the only one with plot armor

[lavish quail]

Blue solos indorex

[bright tide]

This conversation is giving me a fucking aneurysm

[rare fractal]

[lavish quail]

Dw getting thrown across the concrete floor at 50mph will just make them stronger for film purposes

[jovial hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/backyard-becky-karen-no-fun-stop-fun-i-see-you-gif-17304806

[violet magnet]

if by "solo" you mean "gets bitchsmacked into a column and miraculously doesn't die immediately from stab wounds and internal hemorrhaging"

[rare fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-tyrannosaurus-rex-trex-dinosaur-eat-gif-17311848

[lavish quail]

Im sorry i will just go play legacy now

[lavish quail]

Yes

Dw blue canonically invincible

[rare fractal]

Gets shot and immediately rendered unconscious

[lavish quail]

Then somehow lives and becomes teh protagonist

[rare fractal]

Needs a blood transfusion from a…. Trex, god that movie is stupid

[lavish quail]

That movie is real dumb

fr made a badass indoraptor just to have it killed by glass T_T

[outer sphinx]

Dont worry, Owen and bary are invincible to lava and Claire has bones made of titanium and gets up after getting stabbed by indo

[rare fractal]

Technically it killed itself lol

[bright tide]

looks at channel title
So this is the stupid debate room for media now huh?

[lavish quail]

Lul its the place for arguments

[lavish quail]

K forgot its a emo kid

[rare fractal]

Fine, Galli should have feathers by default

There’s no reason not to

The only justification for it being naked is based on a design inconsistency in the game

[lavish quail]

I mean there is a pretty consistent pattern

If its from JP it gets to be different

[violet magnet]

galli doesn't have feathers because the gallis in JP don't have feathers and Isle is heavily JP-inspired

[rare fractal]

Cerato lol

[rare fractal]

If that were true then it would apply to the entire roster instead of just a few dinos

[rare fractal]

Ptera

[outer sphinx]

Curious why Dondi choose gali, troo, compy and raptor to be the inconsistent ones while everything else gets to be accurate

[limber hull]

JP

[rare fractal]

Cuz his biased gets in the way of the games aesthetic

[lavish quail]

cuz he cool

[rare fractal]

Trios technically not even JP inspired as it would look like a bugeyed alien if it was

[low canopy]

since when this game had accurate dinos, even a single one

[jovial hazel]

Source

[low canopy]

only animal they could make accurate is borealopelta or what ever the fuck its called

[rare fractal]

Carno, pachy, cerato, deino, Stego (still has some issues)

[violet magnet]

para
is the only one i can think of rn

[lavish quail]

we dont talk about legacy

[rare fractal]

Just out of the ones that are in the game currently, dryo also technically qualifies

[rare fractal]

Para is going to be in Evrima, it was literally in the trailer for it (despite that trailer being clickbait)

https://tenor.com/view/ceratosaurus-tyrannosaurus-brawl-fighting-jurassic-world-evolution-gif-13827134

[lavish quail]

Poor cera

[rare fractal]

This is the JP Cerato

[lavish quail]

I always liked it more

[rare fractal]

Ok

[barren zephyr]

Uuuh most dinosaurs are decently accurate, though still not fully accurate

Para was accurate, until the hadrosaur neck and hoof papers came around

[rare fractal]

And even the ones that aren’t fully accurate aren’t JP ripoffs outside of the few that are

[barren zephyr]

most issues actually are in regards to width as well as lips

[low canopy]

what im saying is that people freak out about accuracy way too much, all it takes is some paleontologist to smell their own farts and the dino changes

[barren zephyr]

our carno is a bit too thin from what it seems

[rare fractal]

That’s different from a dinos design being borderline plagiarism

[barren zephyr]

^ while our teno has an original design, our raptor does not

[rare fractal]

As far as the depth of its torso yes, otherwise it’s pretty good

[low canopy]

plagiarism meant something like stealing assests or designs or what ever right

[rare fractal]

And it’s design is justified by its niche, which is also original

[paper oriole]

Utah design is totes stolen

[rare fractal]

“Borderline”

[barren zephyr]

Yes. Its some odd chalicothere-donkey-iguanodont mashup, which is pretty cool

[paper oriole]

Like even the bark 1 call is a shameless and blatant copy

There is 0 uniqueness about utah

[rare fractal]

Whilst still remaining at least in the spirit of the original animal it borrows the name of

[rare fractal]

It’s actually kinda depressing, especially considering how incredible of an animal Utahraptor is

The real one btw

[paper oriole]

It honestly detracts from the quality of the game by a bit

[rare fractal]

As a design inconsistency it absolutely does.

[paper oriole]

To see cool designs and then generic mobile game/jp raptor

Realistic utah may not be a viable animal for the game but they could have still made it not a jp clone

[rare fractal]

Im not mad that the designs in the game aren’t paleo accurate, the design inconsistency is the issue, and most of the dinos in game are far more accurate than not

[barren zephyr]

the real life utahraptor is far different from what is seen in the isle. Heftiest raptor meant for taking on large iguanodonts like Iguanacolossus

[manic sun]

and it had feathers :<

[barren zephyr]

yes, the skeletal is missing those as they obscure the general muscular outline

[outer sphinx]

the fact they could've went with this design, made its legs a bit longer so it could run a bit faster...

[paper oriole]

Tenonto looks cool as fuck and it isnt paleoaccurate. Beipiao looks cool (except the broken wrist renders) despite being fictionalized

[rare fractal]

Not to mention the “reasonable ability fictionalization” being a consistent aspect of the isles design for creatures. A small change to some of its basal statistics could be made as compensation. (Although at that point I’d prefer they choose a different animal but it still technically works)

[barren zephyr]

Yes, or go with another raptor like Dakotaraptor or Deinonychus (and actually Deinonychus is more or less the actual Jurassic Park raptor)

[outer sphinx]

Deino wasnt small?

[rare fractal]

Outside of some basic posture morphology and pretty much all of its surface characteristics , yeah pretty much, when it comes to size

[paper oriole]

Deinon is way smaller than utah conpared to Dakota who has a buried asset

[barren zephyr]

Yeah the JP raptor just has mangled proportions to allow a man to fit in the suit.

[rare fractal]

It’s amazing that they made them look so good considering they were suits (disregarding the cgi)

[paper oriole]

Or go the seemingly unpopular route of giving the isle's utah a fictional name like PC did

[barren zephyr]

I honestly would not be bothered by a name change

[paper oriole]

Apolloraptor Dondii

[rare fractal]

Not even against that either, especially when considering genetic manipulation at the caliber of strain creation exists in this universe

[manic sun]

I mean, they shouldn't even take real names of dinosaurs especially since they are so geneticly manipulated

[barren zephyr]

also entirely fictional dinosaurs rather than those based on real animals and given the same names as the said real animals are cool.

[rare fractal]

It’s one of my main issues with Magy

[paper oriole]

They should at least clarify new species names for some of the less mutated genera

[rare fractal]

Indeed, make it clear that these are very different from their original counterparts if they are to be different (this does not justify the JP design logic btw)

[barren zephyr]

Even then they probably are barely alike to their irl counterparts in terms of genetics and morphology

[paper oriole]

Yeah our jpraptor still is in great need of a redo like ugh its so shameless

[rare fractal]

I’d be rather confused if a cat like venomous monitor lizard in a video game was presented to me as a Grizzly Bear

Same logic

[paper oriole]

I expect to see a jp ripoff in a cheap fps or a mobile game not something thats trying to be unique

[rare fractal]

Especially when we have designs like the N spino, that design is rather inspired

[paper oriole]

They got actually creative with some of the designs and spared 0 creativity to use on the raptor

[barren zephyr]

I would be welcoming of generally more speculative or crazy designs in the isle

[manic sun]

what if they took like demon inspired names for hypo, tisso etc?

[paper oriole]

Like the carno’s name Hades?

[rare fractal]

Not sure what you mean by that, could you explain further?

[manic sun]

like Apollyguanodon

[paper oriole]

The hyper carno is named hades or something iirc

[rare fractal]

As long as they are consistently speculative and crazy, then we have no issues

[manic sun]

Carhadesaurus or smth. I suck at this

[rare fractal]

Satansaurus Hellindi lol

[manic sun]

Benedictus Millitisaurus

[paper oriole]

Normal rex: “this guy is a monster!”
Hyper rex: “i'm not a monster i am… the devil”

blows up the island

[rare fractal]

Painraptor Mctorturesaurus

[manic sun]

lmfao xD

Juvikillersaurus admin

[rare fractal]

Now that has a few unpackable layers to it….

Lol I can’t believe it took this long to find a few people in the cord who recognized the Isle not having a synonymous aesthetic with JP

[barren zephyr]

I would personally rename it Spirovenator gregarium

[rare fractal]

Took me ages lol

[rare fractal]

Oh that had even more layers… lol

[manic sun]

Impostaptor susbakerium

[rare fractal]

Amongoceratps Sussi

Google aproves but for a different dino

[manic sun]

diablo looking real sussy

[barren zephyr]

ok so my name kinda but kinda isnt valid

but i just deleted it because i wanted to come up with something moreso creative

[rare fractal]

That’s fine, troodon ‘exists’ too

[rare fractal]

My interest has peaked

[barren zephyr]

well by that I mean the name I came up with hasnt been used before

and it isnt formal, either

[rare fractal]

True, although scrolling up through this channel should prove that we don’t hold formality in very high regard

[honest sparrow]

This sounds like something out of a 2013 yt video made by a 6 year old and I love it

[barren zephyr]

seems more like ytp material to me

[paper oriole]

it was a broly reference lol

really does read like an edgy kid made it lmao

[crude cape]

being chased by pachy and it hit me from a mile away. I still don't understand how pachy can kill carno as in real life its leg is being hit while all of its organs are intact.

[gaunt canopy]

My guess is if you cripple the legs of animal that relies on speed it dies in the wild that’s my guess of why it dies wat is your gues

[vernal obsidian]

so many turtles together what the haha

yummy though 👀

[vernal obsidian]

Carno at crossing on AU1 come kill it utahs 🙂

[gaunt canopy]

?????????? Confusion

[icy lion]

Please use #evrima-au for discussions about playing on the AU servers

[gaunt canopy]

I think you might be in the wrong channel I think you are looking for evrima au chat

[vernal obsidian]

oops sorry!

[glass swan]

when are the devs gonna add a player list?

[icy lion]

It's admin only

[gaunt canopy]

It would be nice if you could invite people to a group like legacy had it through a player list and able to see your friends gamer tag across the map so you didn’t get lost and can find your friends easier expecualy if your friend is new to game

[glass swan]

that, but honestly, i just wanna know if a server im in is dead or not without having to leave and risk loosing my dino

[gaunt canopy]

Same

[lime harbor]

The game doesnt try to be paleo accurate the dinos are suppose to be born in a lab arent they? The game is very jurassic park inspired. Dont try to force paleo accuracy onto The Isle as a default thing, go bother Path of Titans with that even though its a dead game, If we had true paleo accuracy deino would destroy stego easily and be larger i believe.

Also its funny you think cerato is accurate when I think its suppose to be smaller and weaker but for gameplay purposes it wont be so it can face against carnos, in reality its like a very low mid tier or a low tier

[rare fractal]

A massive portion of the roster doesn’t agree with this principle and there are notable outliers.
Carno, Cerato, Allo, Anky, Trike, Bary, and Pteranodon are just a few off the top of my head that are relatively well inspired off of the irl animal whilst also appearing in JP yet massively different (not current Evrima anky)

[lime harbor]

so stop crying because feathered dinos arent default or wait for oviraptor and potential skin system with feathered alternates

[rare fractal]

It already got downsized significantly

[rare fractal]

Not crying, noticing an artistic inconsistency that damages the games aesthetic

[lime harbor]

the utah is jp inspired but still has unique things about it from the devs, same for the rex, also lets see their spino aswell, nothing like jp spino yet very inaccurate but people like the dinos just because they look cool anyways

it isnt that inconsistent, pachy would be weaker than it is rn realistically

[rare fractal]

The Utah in game is literally a copy of the JP raptor

[lime harbor]

still bigger than its suppose to be and only looks small because carno is tall as hell

[rare fractal]

Yes I know, that’s why I keep specifically referring to the art and not the behavior

[lime harbor]

You dont know what a copy is, look up the definition, its inspired

if the models were paleo accurate but the behaviors arent then why should it matter?

[rare fractal]

How big is Evrima Cerato? Plus it’s design is very similar to what the actual animal looks like, I’m not saying that all the animals are paleo accurate, just that they are drastically more paleo accurate than JP inspired, that’s evident by those creatures existing in the JP universe

[last lily]

The Isle "Utah" is basically just a fucking JP/JW Raptor

[rare fractal]

Because this is a discussion about artistic design and aesthetic and not behavior

[rare fractal]

Thanks, so yeah it quite literally fits the definition

[last lily]

Someone should look up the definition of copy... or wait: I already did.

[lime harbor]

if it was the devs would probably have a copyright issue lol, i get that it looks similar to a jp raptor and has a similar 1 call but literally everything else about it is different

[last lily]

I wouldn't say that if you... looked at literally any dinosaur media.

Dino Crisis got away with basically having the JP Rex.

Universal practically doesn't care because their Dinosaurs are pretty much everywhere.

[limber hull]

What is the point being made here? That the utah model should be changed?

[lime harbor]

Again theyre similar but have alot of differences if you actually used your brain, if you want a paleo accurate utah then itd be boring and be clapped by carno all the time

[lime harbor]

they want their paleo accuracy boo hoo

[last lily]

You can literally make a better looking utah pretty damn easily , without having it be paleoaccurate.

[rare fractal]

No, artistic copyright doesn’t extend to something’s general theme or aesthetic, it would have to literally be a character from another piece of media with the same name and character traits to be considered for copyright

[limber hull]

this game is a JP homage, Dondi built the entire idea from the ground up in response to watching JP as a kid. I really think the JP appearance is fine

[last lily]

Turok did it(design could still be better... but it's memorable and looks kinda cool... even if it looks like a zombie)

[rare fractal]

The game disagrees with him then, most of his dinos don’t follow that principle

[lime harbor]

alot of people love how the utah looks like a jp utah because tons of people are jp fans, literally no issue with it. its been like this for years

[last lily]

I'd say the bigger issue is... art style inconsistency..

[lime harbor]

cry some more

[limber hull]

Just let the man have his JP things lmao

[rare fractal]

Public reception has no value or relevance to its status as a design inconsistency thats incongruent with the majority of the games designs

[rare fractal]

Then he should have made a game where that applies, he didn’t, so he failed in that regard if that was his goal

[limber hull]

jesus lmao

[rare fractal]

I don’t have any personal issue with literally having a copy of the JP dinos in a game, they just didn’t put in the work to include those designs as most of their art contradicts that goal

[last lily]

I mean, I'm mostly fine with the JP stuff... but it can be really weird to see JP stuff, next to an accurate dinosaur..... and then see what looks like a fucking cartoon or bobblehead right next to it(Evrima Acro's proportions... huge head, small body, short legs... )

[lime harbor]

If you dont like it then make your own game which im even considering doing, this isnt your game to develop, weve had a jp like utah for years which a ton of people love, its not a issue at all, it isnt that inconsistent either considering it has its own unique behaviors and such, the skin system will make that even more unique, also these are jp copies yet the male utah looks nothing like a jp male velo?

[last lily]

Hopefully they fix its proportions.

[rare fractal]

Literally said it doesn’t bother me lol

[last lily]

Someone's really toxic and salty today, rip.

[lime harbor]

Yall crying over a indie game that has a jp inspired utah lol, It obviously bothers you Fluff

[rare fractal]

Plus as we’ve already established, this is purely a discussion on design and art, not the behavior of the dinos in game.

[last lily]

Eitherway though... Critiquing stuff is always fine.. I'd honestly be 100% up for more use with the skill.... point system?

What the hell was it called..

[rare fractal]

No, I’m earnestly telling you that no it does not bother me. I can recognize something as poorly done without involving my emotional attachment to anything involved

[last lily]

The idea of taking the base utah.. and making it leaner or bulkier interests me, as a potential goal of that system, to create more variety in gameplay(more work but... Why not have more variety in what the player can do? )

[rare fractal]

Perks

[last lily]

THERE WE GO

That's the one

[rare fractal]

Yeah perks will be interesting, I’m worried they’ll be too broken at first but that’s what testing is for 😄

[lime harbor]

Inherits and Perks, seperate things but not sure what inherits would do.

[last lily]

I feel like perks would be a great way to add more player diversity so that if people want a bulkier, more muscular utah.. Go for it. Knock yourself out if you want a utah that's a little slower but can take more hits and more damage..

Inherits is probably just nesting shit... Which I probably won't ever play around much because I usually solo play.

[lime harbor]

yes but it must give benefits to being nested

so im wondering what benefits

[rare fractal]

Yeah perhaps, although I don’t think there will be any model differences for weight besides overall size. That level of variation sounds like a balancing nightmare

[last lily]

Maybe.... early boosts to perks and what not???? I mean one advantage to being nested in is that you spawn in with protection.

[limber hull]

perks are not going to be like BoB's, no damage bosot or speed boost

[rare fractal]

Protection from predators and adults to provide you food for all or the majority of your growth?

[rare fractal]

Yep, that would be…. absurd

[lime harbor]

yeah perks are more realistic and related to survival i believe

[rare fractal]

Works for Bob cuz of the setting and nature of the game, but not this one

[last lily]

More so like the idea of a system where you trade things for another to try and be better at surviving some things.... No aquatic Rex though..don't need that.

[lime harbor]

BoB is purely a broken mess

[limber hull]

more like survival tools

so for me, i'd want stuff like perks that accustoms deino to coastal living

[last lily]

I have BoB... and I hate how the dinosaurs control in it.

[lime harbor]

a swimming speed perk might be likely

[rare fractal]

Probably not, that’s the same as a movement speed perk but for aquatics

[limber hull]

id like something like teno getting the ability to dive and get nutrients from underwater plants, making it lean more into its aquatic side

specifically teno

[lime harbor]

depending on how many perks there are they might have to be a little similar to BoB without being so unbalanced

[limber hull]

depends on creativity

[lime harbor]

a perk will have to be good enough to invest in so if not itll be ignored so

[limber hull]

eh

i disagree, it doesn't need to be good, just makes gameplay more interesting

[last lily]

Please no requirement for turning in place perks

[lime harbor]

BoB talent tree everything has some sort of viability making different builds for everyone pretty much

[last lily]

I hate that so much

[lime harbor]

if perks arent good then theyll likely be ignored, doesnt matter if something is interesting if its not good in fact if its not good its likely to be boring

[last lily]

I do like the idea of having "builds" for Dinos... issue is how to properly show them in gameplay(example I'm just spitballing: "heavy carno"(carno player investing in perks that push it into a more... medium size hunter. How would you differentiate it from a normal carno, or "light" carno)

If you fail to show them aesthetically gameplay wise

you cause problems .. ei: not informing the player properly of what they're getting into

[lime harbor]

you can tell someones build vaguely by sniffing in BoB

but if they did that itd be a bit copying

and makes no sense

[last lily]

I feel like that's a bit... lazy to do, to just have it be figured out by scent

[rare fractal]

Tbh, perks shouldn’t make your dino objectively better

[limber hull]

what

[outer sphinx]

what about teno getting water while swimming?

[last lily]

BoB has that as a thing for some god forsaken reason......pretty much just something that makes you turn in place faster.

[lime harbor]

youd have to either figure it out based on model which the devs could do considering the amount of work theyre willing to do for each dino or find out in combat

[limber hull]

that seems so incredibly niche lmao

[rare fractal]

Or you….. Wow I was actually considering picking up Bob for the meme, think I’ll wait on that

[outer sphinx]

its just deinos thing but now on teno

[lime harbor]

thats legit what perks are, to make you better lmfao

[outer sphinx]

you did say you like that teno is our kangaro boi, and now he gets water while doing it

[last lily]

That's low key one of the first things I noticed when playing BoB. ... "Oh wow... I'm playing as a small dinosaur and my turning is absolute ass."

[lime harbor]

im grateful the isle let go of the slow ass turn rates

meanwhile pot and bob..

[last lily]

That's one of the exact reasons why I don't play legacy anymore.

Evrima's Dinosaurs control and feel nicer for the most part.

[limber hull]

true, but again, extremely niche

[barren zephyr]

kangaroo*

[outer sphinx]

dont worry, pot has side step so you can death circle

[lime harbor]

a perk to improve jump height on utah seems likely

[cyan flame]

At least PoT has interesting movement options, unlike BoB :p

[outer sphinx]

ooɹɐƃuɐʞ*

[lime harbor]

PoT is made by deathlyrage and is a dead game, cant do most things right, dont care

[last lily]

-I will admit... Carno feels BIG in Evrima while in Legacy... the size kinda feels.....eh? Even on Rex(even though Evrima's animations could be improved.... like Spino looking like it's made of hot air or something and not lumbering like a chad)

[last lily]

What the hell has PoT even done recently. ..

I remember them doing a lake update...and not much else since.

[outer sphinx]

iirc they added a ceratopsian

[rare fractal]

No they are meant to make subtle tradeoffs to your animal, any objectively better changes to your animal are going to either
1: Not effect creature balance in any substantial way
2: Be Subtle enough that the changes are minor QOL improvements, like nutrient retention.

[lime harbor]

theyre doing growth but their juvis look so lazy idk how it took them so long to figure out how to do growth and why it even needs testing

[last lily]

Every game is doing growth... and I've yet to see one that's actually done growth right

[barren zephyr]

As players progress to their various growth milestones they'll have the option to select between a variety of perks, designed to support a varied playstyle

don't forget, that perks aren't going to be like BoB.

[cyan flame]

Depends on what you mean with doing it right?

[barren zephyr]

how do you want growth?

[last lily]

Making juveniles fun, rip.

[limber hull]

...

[barren zephyr]

that's a level design issue and some balance

[last lily]

Evrima's the closest thus far

[outer sphinx]

they also added this guy somewhat recent

[limber hull]

yea thats not exactly a simple ask lmao

[lime harbor]

playstyle can also mean combat too though so it might still be similar to bob in some ways

[limber hull]

but if they added more little hidey holes

[rare fractal]

Indeed

[barren zephyr]

no combat perks

[barren zephyr]

like what was originally planned

[rare fractal]

They’ve quite literally said that it won’t be that way

[outer sphinx]

yes, we need more hollowed trees, stumps etc

[lime harbor]

well see what happens with perks

[cyan flame]

Perks will be a mess :p

[barren zephyr]

The Isle is a mess

[outer sphinx]

not as much as fractures i bet :D

[barren zephyr]

just organised mess

[lime harbor]

devs say alot of shit they change their mind on so perks not being a combat related thing could be changed

[cyan flame]

Oh it'll be worse, way worse :p

[outer sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/we-shall-see-leonardo-di-caprio-smoking-gif-10168634

[limber hull]

I think perks should diversify PLAYSTYLE, not stats. Perks would either make an animal thrive in specific biomes or hunt more diverse prey or be comfortable anywhere

[last lily]

I've always been an advocate for the hatchlings/juveniles growing quicker with growth slowing down gradually, while also giving Juvis little fun things to do that adults cannot(Balance wise, ability, or otherwise, there's a decent amount you can do to avoid them just feeling like tiny versions of the adults).

[barren zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-you-make-me-sad-sad-gif-16437142

[rare fractal]

Fractures are a mess, but perks are one of if not the easiest things to fuck up

[last lily]

Perks can either go really well

or really bad

[cyan flame]

Kind of like diets but worse :p

[limber hull]

So a different perk build would make them survive in different locales or sustain themselves in different areas

[lime harbor]

if thats it then perks should come out much later because right now the map is limited in variety and so are mechanics

[outer sphinx]

the only stats they should affect is like longer nutrition etc, small stuff outside of high damage, low health

[barren zephyr]

salt-water deino perk

[limber hull]

Salt-water deino 100%

[outer sphinx]

land deino

[barren zephyr]

land dino

[last lily]

Salt water Deino sounds like it could be pretty fun, rip. Requires them to actually expand on beaches and ocean life though.

[limber hull]

You could have a perk build that makes you a better land-deino, or fully delve into your aquatic nature, or live on the coasts

[barren zephyr]

Jace thing
we're all ready getting coastal playables

[lime harbor]

land deino wont be possible as thatd be stat related

and combat related

[rare fractal]

Yeah perhaps, although high damage low hp is so easy to abuse, especially with utahs, glass cannon dinos would just BE better

[last lily]

Land Deino should suffer a big weight nerf and size nerf overall...which -could be difficult to do.

[limber hull]

no it wouldnt

[barren zephyr]

land deino is just rex

[last lily]

It's a lot of people's work to get that going. Models, animations, etc.

[outer sphinx]

ye, the only stats im fine with them affecting is the ones conected to water, hunger nutrients etc

[barren zephyr]

Perks aren't coming in any time soon.
Just like those playables

[lime harbor]

land deino would support it thriving on land and to do so needs to beable to move around freely but its stam is shit so itd likely need a stam buff or something

[limber hull]

land deino could simply be stuff like draining less stamina and losing less water on stam. Like those are two examples

[outer sphinx]

except rex has a good bite

[last lily]

I was referring to making beaches and oceans habitable.

[barren zephyr]

same

[limber hull]

"Thriving", more like being able to relocate between water sources without having to go through water

[cyan flame]

How about we don't make perks add playstyles that should just not happen. Salt water deino is fine, land deino is not.

[rare fractal]

Yeah same, just stress reduction perks basically

[last lily]

"Look at all these beautiful beaches!-Too bad it's a wasteland."

[lime harbor]

stego denies that no matter if youre land deino or not unless being land deino effects combat

[barren zephyr]

land deino was a joke

[cyan flame]

So noted. But you can't blame me for being concerned, since I'm sure some people would love a functional land deino, no matter if it makes sense or not. :p

[outer sphinx]

personaly i'd like if they get divided into "QOL" perks and gameplay perks, you get to choose more of the QOL ones and 1 gameplay/playstyle one

[barren zephyr]

yes

[limber hull]

so that's a weakness

[rare fractal]

No land deino, the only waterway currently separated by land is south pond, and you can already get to that without running out of water

[cyan flame]

Maybe mud pool deino though? :p

[limber hull]

not so

[outer sphinx]

is the north shallow river still there?

[rare fractal]

Maybe, although play style perks are dangerous in implementation, not sure what one would be without breaking that creature

[rare fractal]

I quite literally do it whenever I play deino

[last lily]

Camouflage Anky: become the bush

[limber hull]

but its not the only water seperated

[cyan flame]

Also keep in mind, we need perks that are worth going for. QoL might not be good enough to people. And it depends on if we're talking about the perks while growing up or the ones you get for successfully dying of old age.

[outer sphinx]

well like Wave gave an ex previous, make teno able to dive in water to eat some plants for ex, small stuff that adds diversity to the gameplay

[rare fractal]

Oh are you referring to that stego sized puddle behind radio tower?

[lime harbor]

thats default

[limber hull]

yea

[last lily]

That sounds really small

[cyan flame]

The what now?!

[lime harbor]

I imagine a perk to increase scent range

[barren zephyr]

ok

[rare fractal]

Yeah there’s a tiny little pond/puddle behind radio tower, just north east of it

[limber hull]

i think a land deino perk would be fine, as you said, it'd be pretty fucked by ACTUAL land apexes, so it'd be situational but not useless

[last lily]

I'd be.. .reluctant to give increased scent range as a perk,... maybe?

[rare fractal]

Yeah sure, that or reducing the time it takes to “charge scent” but that’s already dumb as hell as a mechanic anyway

[rare fractal]

Does sound rather broken

[last lily]

Land Deino is just slightly overweight Kaprosuchus

[lime harbor]

situational perks are kinda useless

[last lily]

"Ah yes, let me charge up my sniff ability."

[rare fractal]

Them having situational use makes them categorically useful

[limber hull]

no they aren't, they're situational

you are literally running off a BoB mindset

if all perks are always useful, we get shitty shitty metas

(see BoB)

[lime harbor]

to have a perk relying on a specific situation is useless unless that situation is common

[last lily]

-Remember the time Tropes forced Rex and Megalo to the ocean for some god forsaken reason-

[outer sphinx]

they are literally meant to be situational and not generalistic

[lime harbor]

and again im just saying theyd be useless perks unless the situation was common

[limber hull]

So you want perks to be upgrades

[rare fractal]

It’s as if the devs don’t know how smelling works lol

[limber hull]

this is literally a BoB mindset

BoB fucking sucks because their perks are entirely generalist

[rare fractal]

Definitely not, perks aren’t supposed to be THAT integral to gameplay

[lime harbor]

you can have perks be upgrades without it being combat related and without them being as broken as BoB

[outer sphinx]

hol on gotta jump the map with my mosa

[limber hull]

and thats my issue, hes saying situational = useless

[rare fractal]

If you look at the definition of the word situational, that statement falls apart

[limber hull]

thats my point

[lime harbor]

im saying uncommon situation = useless

[rare fractal]

But that is definitively false

[outer sphinx]

useless means theres no point space and time where thats viable, what you say is def not that

if theres is a moment where that is viable then thats exactly the opposite of useless

[lime harbor]

not even worth being called perks, every single game ive seen with perks have them be viable often and not be entirely up to a specific uncommon situation.

[rare fractal]

Consensus fallacy, perks aren’t defined by their most common media representation

[limber hull]

and i despise games like BoB and DbD, so having more of that shit in the Isle would piss me off

fuck those perk systems

[lime harbor]

BoB is broken, DbD isnt as broken but the perks could still be balanced while still being viable

[limber hull]

i despise DbD's perks so much

[lime harbor]

and what about COD Perks? are those ALSO a issue?

[outer sphinx]

my friends play DbD, 99% of things they talk about the game is the perks and not the gameplay lmao

[rare fractal]

The perks are literally the gameplay in DbD, and they make such drastic changes to stats that they may as well be the defining factor to whether a character is worth using or not

That shit needs to stay out of Ti

[limber hull]

and i fucking hate that

let me specialise my playstyle, don't make it that my playstyle is defined for me by metas

[outer sphinx]

they generally are pretty good, stuff like scavanger, cold bloded, they have a small impact on the game but very nieche, but again cod has many other problems

[lime harbor]

that is true but both sides have perks so it makes the game more fair and if everyone has perks available then people can run whatever they want in their game

when perks come up in games its often about having a certain build that well...fits your playstyle

[rare fractal]

Perks in that game are based on levels and in game currency, they are not equally available to everyone, and some of the perks are so absurdly good that that make any other possible option irrelevant by comparison

[limber hull]

both sides have perks and both sides it feels fucking stale because the game is more about "guess the perk" than actual playing the game

[rare fractal]

Well then accept the reality that this game has a system called perks that doesn’t adhere to that trend

[limber hull]

if this shit ends up like that, i'll despise it

[lime harbor]

yes and thats a game issue not a perk issue, i do think some perks are too strong though

[limber hull]

please, make the perks specialised

[lime harbor]

it isnt really guessing, you find out someones perks through the gameplay

[rare fractal]

How do perks not fit into the category of “game issue”

[outer sphinx]

it'd be nice if we get universal perks and ones dedicated to a dino

[rare fractal]

Which is info you have to find through trial and error and even then you have a good chance of being wrong, so it’s guessing as you don’t have a stat sheet that tells you what they’re running

[lime harbor]

the perks being based on levels and game currency is a game issue, the devs could simply remove the need for currency to get perks and the levels for them too and theyd still be perks but simply easier to get

[lime harbor]

if you knew someones perks youd know how to play against that person right away

[rare fractal]

Yes indeed, doesn’t refute the fact that you’re guessing what they are, that’s all I addressed

[lime harbor]

yes perks are meant to be guessed, you arent suppose to have everyone know your perks lmao

until they see them in action

you should never beable to just look at someone and tell just from that what perks they have

[last lily]

Spitballing ideas:
Carno A.(slower speed, slightly longer growth time and sacrifices charge for a headswing that can knock over smaller animals in close quarters combat, making it a more combatative carnotaurus playstyle without it being Allo(Allo having bleed, still bigger, and a grapple that does damage overtime(notconfirmed but plausible)

Carno B.(default carno.. love em, know em, sticks to what carno normally is without making it too special, High speed, charge, hunts small to medium animals, etc.)

Carno C.(Carno who wants even more speed, to truly bully smaller animals, reduced bite damage, and replaces charge with a bite tackle(requires player timing and focus, as well as if you miss, you miss.. maybe also the lunging bite perk to replace the default bite?? A Carno who has far fewer options for hunting medium animals(and absolutely fucked against large) but is however, the best for plains.. Default the most generalist location wise, and A for woods possibly(I don't fucking know)

Horn swing, Charge, and Tackling Bite all being secondary abilities that you can only have one of via the perk system, and it's up to the player to choose what they want to use, or get better with(all requiring timing, patience, etc. Hornswing having a clear wind up, and shorter range for example, charge being charge(able to knock over mediums, and increase speed while running in a straight light.. and tackling bite letting you move normally(maybe tiny speed boost), until you go for the lunging bite that can make or break your hunt.

-I just kinda like the idea of things that can make you play differently on a dinosaur... without going too far to where it's a different dinosaur... Situational but adding variety to each and every dinosaur(for some though....I don't see much room)

[rare fractal]

Yes I know, you refuted that players had to guess each others perks, as I said, that’s all I was addressing

[lime harbor]

that changes the dino too much, thats entirely new abilities and stats

[last lily]

-Finally got that one finished.. .ideas on perks bringing new things to the table is kinda interesting... without making something objectively superior.

A carno swinging its head is still a carno. A carno using its charge is still a carno, and a Carno who has a specialized tackling bite is still a carno(it NEEDS that timing though)

[rare fractal]

I’d want to see these in practice before claiming whether any of them would or would not work well

[last lily]

Yeah, play testing is always important.

[rare fractal]

Technically a charging Carno is a Carno that wants to break its neck lol

[last lily]

Sshhh, we don't talk about that

[rare fractal]

[outer sphinx]

these sound more like choosing your subclass than perks, like destiny

[rare fractal]

The only reason I don’t necessarily like it is because all of these carnos could theoretically team up in order to be objectively more effective as a pack

[last lily]

I mean, perks should allow you to have more customization in your dinosaurs.

[rare fractal]

I want to see Warlock Titan and Hunter Carno fan art

[lime harbor]

these sound fucking amazing for gameplay and variety for just 1 dino but again just sounds like bob with its combat, speed and survival builds. youd need to balance that, people would also find a way to meta those things by having a specific amount of carnos with this build and other carnos with another build to be really strong

[outer sphinx]

all stasis

[rare fractal]

Yeah but these are rather fundamental, perhaps it’s a bit too overtoned

[rare fractal]

Charge is technically just a horizontal shatterdive

[last lily]

That... is actually a big concern... Though that'd be largely balance focused I imagine, to prevent them from working TOO WELL together(though for Utah... MAYBE I'd be fine with it, since it's a pack hunter already)

[lime harbor]

are you going to break your neck tackling someone that weighs less than you?

[outer sphinx]

thundercrash titan too

[barren zephyr]

you'd still need to meet your required milestones

[last lily]

Yes me

[barren zephyr]

no

[last lily]

Darn

[rare fractal]

Do you really want to argue how carnos charge shouldn’t destroy its skull and neck when it rams into a teno…. Especially the version of Carno charge with fractures implemented

[lime harbor]

I still think that whether a carno is bulky and slow or light weight and fast with less stam should depend on your diet over long periods of time like in real life but idk if devs will do that

[rare fractal]

lol was literally running VOG 3 hours ago, good times with the lads as always….
Anyway back on topic so the mods don’t snipe us

[last lily]

I'd imagine that'd be required for everything though ultimately, hitting your own personal objectives and what not(so in general.. I'd say default/stock should always be the recommended for new players, with the optional abilities being more specific or specialized(Ei give a new player the tackling bite ability.. and they're going to struggle with it more than the charge, same for headswing.. "Oh cool I can head swing!- . .. Wait, why am I always missing?? Why am I out of stam now?"

[barren zephyr]

perks giving you a positive and a negative 🙂

[lime harbor]

To achieve a bulky Carno youd need to be an active and efficient hunter, just like you have your proteins and such there should be a fat category and you must make sure to not go over a certain amount of fat to not be too slow but with this youd stay almost full most of the time where as to be light weight youd probably have a smaller stomach so youd be more hungry like around half hunger most of the time to stay light weight so receive more speed but due to less food youd have less stam which balances it out

[barren zephyr]

wanna be good at this?
Welp, you gonna not like doing this other thing

[lime harbor]

but since a light weight carno would hunt smaller prey it can eat small prey without gaining too much fat

this would be balanced I believe rather than giving a dino more abilities and such

[rare fractal]

Yes

[limber hull]

i dont know about this, first one feels like it literally just sacrifices what it is to be carno

[barren zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-marvel-small-price-pay-for-salvation-gif-14748250

[last lily]

Horn swing in my mind should: suck in open areas, so it objectively works best for a carno who likes to be in the woods more(how you'd set that up with perks without it being BS I have no idea.. )
Charge: charge.. Already in the game, nothing to talk about.
Tackling bite: limits the carno even more and rewards good timing, working best for small game hunting in open fields, but further discriminating against hunting animals near your own size or larger, working best with perks that help you survive off of smaller animals(ayy way to get the perk and diet system to be hand in hand like an old married couple)

[lime harbor]

im actually going to put my weight class suggestion in general feedback

[last lily]

Low key just spitballing ideas on ways perks could spice things up, F. Doesn't have to be a horn swing, could be something else.

[limber hull]

i really dislike perks focusing on combat

[rare fractal]

Go for it, I’d be interested to see what more people think of it

[barren zephyr]

^

[lime harbor]

perks will likely be combat related in some way, now i know TI isnt like BoB but even BoB's survival and speed talents effect combat

[rare fractal]

Same, they kinda make knowledge on a creature irrelevant since you need to see them use their abilities in order to know what they are good at, at which point you’ve probably not taken the correct countermeasures as it would require you to see them use their attacks

[rare fractal]

Probably not, the devs have said many times that they don’t want perks to effect combat very much

If at all

[lime harbor]

devs also change their mind alot but im just saying

[last lily]

Which is why I'd like small model edits, rip.... but that's also a lot of work, and probably could lead to a bunch of bugs.. or glitches.

[rare fractal]

Yes but that means saying combat perks are "likely" is wishful thinking at best

[limber hull]

If it were up to me, carno perks COULD be stuff like "adept charger", which slightly reduces stam drain for charging, because the charge itself really can only attack an enemy once and still rewards standard carno play. Charge generally isn't used in brawls, more in ambushes. Creating perks that would do stuff like improving the charge (ambush focus) or improving the carno's endurance means you could end up with carnos that hunt in entirely different fashions, with endurance carnos living far out in the plains, whereas ambush carnos would live closer to the trees to find a place to hide when preparing their ambush. Less combat, more hunting styles

[last lily]

It's the kinda thing where say in L4D2: you see a spitter and you KNOW what it's going to do.. The design, aesthetic, everything just shouts: SPIT THE GOO.

I'd say, carnos with bigger horns = chargery fuckers(or as waverpool said, carnos who live closer to the treeline for ambushes), and carnos with smaller horns being endurance hunters

just look at their horns and go "Yup.. it's one of those bastards."

issue is growth

[rare fractal]

Perhaps, although I'd unironically want certain perks to change your creature. Somewhat in the same vein of how people keep requesting certain dino species to be skins over already existing dinos in the roster that are remarkably similar in morphology and (theorized) playstyle. I don't like that idea at all, as it seems to be a cheep excuse to satisfy the people who want specific dinos in the game without making a whole new playable for it.

Again, I'm opposed to all of this but that's a random hypothetical to think on

[limber hull]

having minor model edits would be nightmarish

[last lily]

I think one of the biggest things that'd probably make minor model edits a nightmare is... well the models just aren't designed for it sadly.. Which I'd likely see as something that can't be easily fixed either.

Other games have systems where making edits is easy and possible... I don't think the Isle does though...(ei Monster Hunter has some sort of system where if you break the head of a monster, the appearance of its face changes.. a horn breaks off, eye gashed out, broken teeth, armor, etc.. or claws broken if you break the leg, etc)... and it may be too late now for the Isle to incorporate those things because that's essentially a foundation design point.

[outer sphinx]

keep in mind we dont know to what extend gore will go

[last lily]

Gore has a lot of opportunities but... I feel like that we may never get the full potential of it because the Isle already has a bunch of stuff set in stone, so limb removal and what not would... likely be hell to do???(outside of say... just shrinking the arm to the point where its invisible and hide it with a gore effect like some people do in SFM, or what TF2 in general does for decapitations)..... I am really curious how MHW has its tail severing system set up though.

[outer sphinx]

MHW?

but also the fact we will get corpses, rotting etc shows that stuff like dynamic model changes will be a thing

[last lily]

Monster Hunter World, rip.

[outer sphinx]

ah

[last lily]

Do enough sever damage to a tail and it pops off.

[urban flax]

There's plenty of ways to have models changing dynamically
Like in warcraft 3, with units decay. There's just a skeleton that appears below them and they slowly sink into the ground, letting the skeleton progressively appear
It's hella simple but it works fine

[outer sphinx]

i dont think we will get smth like that but they def have planned smth for this, since eating will in time leave just a skeleton

[last lily]

-Part of me is suspicious now that the flailing animation a monster does after having its tail cut is just to hide the fact it changed to a tailess model

[urban flax]

No, I'm not saying it should work like that in The Isle, but inventivity is key when it comes to that kind of things, if they get it right they could do something awesome with minimal effort

[outer sphinx]

oh yea, definitely

[rare fractal]

I'm hoping that we don't suffer any permanent aesthetic changes to our dinos via environmental factors that can't be reversed or toggled, like missing eyes or scars

[urban flax]

Also I remember there is dismemberment in Chivalry, and the models are divided into several parts (head, arms, legs, upper body, lower body) and the gore textures are always in there, just hidden. When you cut off an arm, it disjoints and the flesh and bones appear. You can also see them cprotruding with texture or animation bugs
There's even a gore texture separating the upper and lower body, but it's unused since you can't cut people in half in Chivalry

[outer sphinx]

why? if they are just aesthetic and dont affect the gameplay?

[rare fractal]

Because the default healthy appearance of an animal is something I find rather appealing

[urban flax]

It would also be interesting to know how gore is hanndled in Mortal Kombat, cause it's pretty detailed and extensive

[last lily]

This exactly. I hate how the male carno's red pattern becomes pink when injured badly... Let me see its beautiful red streaks and spots damnit.

[rare fractal]

In the same way that I wouldn't want to play a low polly model of my carnotaurus as opposed to the current high resolution one

[rare fractal]

That is a bit different but only because that physical change can be reverted by healing

[lime harbor]

Alright I posted my weight class suggestion in #general-feedback

[rare fractal]

Not the same as losing a horn or one of your arms and not being able to reverse that

[outer sphinx]

i mean i like the idea of scars, shows your experience, luck, a story to remember, ah i see what you mean, maybe if we get scars liek this its up to a certain extent

[rare fractal]

Well it's pretty easy, just add toggles that unlock whenever you sustain an injury

[outer sphinx]

oh i didnt meant my comment to mean that i want to see loosing an arm etc, just like a gash that healed, etc maybe if we get this far in terms of carno a lightly chipped horn

[rare fractal]

Perhaps, I'd still want the only irreversible cosmetic changes to be as a result of growth

[outer sphinx]

it'd be cool if we sustain an inurry as a juvi it can heal the more you grow etc, think WWD 3D pachy for ex, very very far fetched tho

[rare fractal]

Yeah that'd be pretty neat, quite a lot of animals will have distorted proportions as adults because of juvenile injuries that overhealed due to growth hormones

[last lily]

If my Spino starts talking after having a chunk of its sail bitten out, I'm killing it.

[outer sphinx]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/758104734425939998/902588409619558500/726320006685655110-1.gif

[rare fractal]

Yeah if the dinos start talking I'm ending myself

The only acceptation being a neuro ability similar to the bear in annihilation

https://tenor.com/view/natalie-portman-annihilation-gifs-fear-gif-10550604

[last lily]

Neuro is actually the fucking "bird"(I forgot the actual dinosaurs species it was) from the WWD's movie:

[outer sphinx]

would also give more diversity if lest say theres a set number of injuries you can sustain (no matter of age) but for adults they heal to normal but jor juvies they grow around it

[last lily]

I'd love if the Neuro "talked" like the Annihilation bear though.

[rare fractal]

Well I'd still not want to infringe upon cosmetic control for the player, especially since injuries are not voluntary

[rare fractal]

Not all of them, just 1 neuro with expanded sensory capabilities, that could be one of it's abilities. Like a neuro troodon or something

[outer sphinx]

Close but he's not red

[last lily]

https://giphy.com/gifs/jurassicworld-LNejpNtjrDnIEvQqUQ

^Neuro Utah

[outer sphinx]

Our freddie kruger lol

[rare fractal]

I'm almost tempted to suggest that strains be saved for a completely different game where you play as an AE employee going through one hell of a weekend, cuz I can't see how they fit into the game

[outer sphinx]

Five Nights at Dondi

[rare fractal]

Precisely

[last lily]

Neuros are going to be the hardest to actually make.. Bet.(ability wise)

[outer sphinx]

Tisso becomes invisible iirc

[rare fractal]

Well considering they're basically dinosaur wizards, yes

[last lily]

-We still haven't gotten a single god damn update on what they want the Tisso to be now.. but I want to know so badly.

"Behold my OC: Merlin the Neuro Troodon."

[rare fractal]

I almost don't care, no expectations = no stake in the result

[outer sphinx]

tissos just give me Flash vibes

[rare fractal]

Old tissos do, they all look like spikey torpedos

[last lily]

I kinda hope they stick with that theme, since it'd blend perfectly with the Hypers, and Neuros.

[outer sphinx]

Flash combined with Zoom

[last lily]

Magna's though

[rare fractal]

Yeah, especially since tissos are arguably the only strain that could logistically fit into the game correctly, as they are basically super small, fast, and sharp versions of other creatures

[outer sphinx]

Some useless pos

[outer sphinx]

same would hypers

[last lily]

Shadow the Troodon..

[rare fractal]

Well hypers essentially starve themselves to death, tissos can actually reasonably survive without being op af

[last lily]

-I should draw a Neuro Troodon with a long beard and wizard hat now..

[rare fractal]

Please do

[outer sphinx]

someone made an idea about how hypers hunt dinos, neurso mercs and tissos tribals since ach looks to be equiped to deal with it

[rare fractal]

One must remember that Hypers existing in an actual environment would be borderline apocalyptic for nature

[rare fractal]

I guess I can see the correlation but that specialization is kinda cringe tbh

[outer sphinx]

and by that i mean, well hypers are hypers, obious, neuros have EMPs etc that would be very good against mercs, and tisso against triblas since they lack technology if tisso does get invisiblity etc

[rare fractal]

Especially when AE are a company in the modern day with absurd resources, if they wanted the tribals gone, relocate your assets and nuke the island

[rare fractal]

Perhaps, although neuro spino is the only one with an EMP type ability soft confirmed but kinda not really

[outer sphinx]

BuT mUh WaR dInO

[last lily]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oEWA7UglB4

[rare fractal]

Well that's why the war premise seems to be getting phased out, it's a pretty dumb idea

[last lily]

I had to

[rare fractal]

Super messed up but S tier song

[outer sphinx]

Looks like neither Dondi likes JW

[rare fractal]

hmm?

Sorry I don't know what to make of that lol😅

[outer sphinx]

JW whole plot is they wanted war dinos

reason for hybrids, militarized raptors etc

[rare fractal]

Oh yeah.... I fortunately almost forgot

[last lily]

Gross

[outer sphinx]

dont worry, thats why im here

[rare fractal]

"We uSeD RaTs in WarS in tHe PasT"

[last lily]

"Let's use these raptors as war dogs.... despite them being easy targets for trained gunmen...harder to train, and cost more resources.. Oh and let's make the Indoraptor, who'd be even worse for that(its scales don't look remotely armored whatsoever)

What could go wrong

[rare fractal]

Just..... is bulletproof lol

[outer sphinx]

you know the invisiblity that irex had? ye forget that, the thermo regulation, scrap that too, make it black now we getting somehwre

[last lily]

It's bullet proof because the plot said so. Rip.

[rare fractal]

Until it wasn't.... trike horns go brrrrrr
Also those were armor piercing rounds in the rifle btw

[outer sphinx]

really?

[last lily]

You're making my head hurt even more now thinking about the amount of stuff that irritates me in that movie.

Lets put the Rex's blood in blue, because they both have 3 toes because that's how blood works

[rare fractal]

Yep, if the sound of the shots being fired wasn't enough of an indicator that those rounds have some MAJOR stopping power to em already

[rare fractal]

I as a human can receive a blood transfusion from a frog.... we both have 4 limbs

Makes perfect sense

[last lily]

The Indominus shrugging off a rocket launcher explosion is also some pretty big BS.

[outer sphinx]

wait, was that really what they said in the movie?

[last lily]

Y E P!!!

[rare fractal]

Uhuh xD

[outer sphinx]

B R U H

[last lily]

B r u h

[rare fractal]

Well technically it didn't shrug off a rocket, the guy shooting it was just a terrible shot and hit the ground to the right of the indom instead...... my dude, this is the biggest target you've ever been asked to hit

In your whole goddamn life

[last lily]

I kinda worry about how humans'll actually feel to play.. because when most animals bite you, they bite and hold on and thrash.. In the Isle: they bite and it does damage and they bite again.

[rare fractal]

But even then, the indoms foot and leg are toast

[last lily]

All of the security sucked, rip.

[rare fractal]

Brings cattle prods to subdue a 10 ton super hybrid with bullet immunity

[last lily]

Claire was a dumbass too, you can't change my mind. She could have easily made the call to HQ from the paddock.

[rare fractal]

"Lowery I need you to track the indominus, I already sent owen and the bois into the cage to check manually"
"she's in the cage dumbass"

[last lily]

The Indom's scales don't even look bullet proof either(outside of the back scales)... though I can see its bones certainly being enough, rip.

or the big muscles slowing bullets down.

[outer sphinx]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/855527844670865438/909078642917785601 remember this?

[rare fractal]

Oh for sure, there's no way she's bulletproof logistically speaking, she just..... is bulletproof

Oh yeah xD

[last lily]

That's the real victim in most movies, guns being severely nerfed.

[rare fractal]

Literally sent in a swat team with Ooga Booga sticks and a fishing net too small to trap a yellowfin tuna

[outer sphinx]

wadym, recoil wasnt invented in that universe

[rare fractal]

Media often downplays guns to a disgusting degree

[last lily]

I love L4D2 for that

[rare fractal]

Newton didn't have an Apple tree in his back yard in that universe

[last lily]

blast a common, boomer, charger, or almost anything with a shotty and it goes down quick in close range.

[outer sphinx]

owen literally shoots a rifle and looks like the gun is going down isntead of up

[last lily]

He shot a high velocity green pea.

[rare fractal]

Omg I never even noticed that 😮 Granted I first saw that movie before I really got into firearms

[last lily]

I really hope that when the new Hyper models come, that they make the body actually LOOK ARMORED(I'm not talking about the armored segments, on the backs and sides, I'm talking about the actual scales covering their bodies.. ei: give them big cube, bulging scales, with osteoderms and scutes like crocidillians

[rare fractal]

Why on earth would you NOT have anything above 40 cal in a park full of animals large enough to make modern day nature frown out of shame

[last lily]

"Spare no expense."

[rare fractal]

"Verizon wireless presents, the Indominus Rex"

[outer sphinx]

lets create electric rifles bc thats def effective at stopping a roid rage tank with spikes

[rare fractal]

That would be awesome

[last lily]

I drew a spino that... should somewhat decently describe that, lemme look for it.

[rare fractal]

Please send it if you have it, isle or paleo art is always appreciated by me

[last lily]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/401480390528729091/855586831633874964/image0.png?width=901&height=676

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480390528729091/855589855568199690/image0.png

Scales

[rare fractal]

Yeah!

[last lily]

It's a few months old by now.

[rare fractal]

That's exactly what I'm talking about!

[last lily]

Scales that can actually look like they can stop most bullets

[rare fractal]

Armor scales that actually, armor the animal

Nice drawing btw <:

[last lily]

I kinda hope that they bring back some of the more vibrant colors of the hypers too, rip.. Like the green and streaks on the original Rex, red eyes(lord give all the hypers menacing eyes), and red sail on the hyper spino default

[outer sphinx]

tbh, the sail doesnt even need to be made from scales like that, it could just be made from few big af plates

[last lily]

Thanks!!

[outer sphinx]

if they give us anything less thna that green hyper rex im finding Dondi

[rare fractal]

Yeah, still relatively muted, no neons or unnatural colors, but not grey. Cuz rn they're just grey

[last lily]

I'd love it if every hyper had red or orangish red eyes, and were constantly drooling black saliva(like they have rabies.. or are ALWAYS hungry)

Give them patterns that straight up help tell you "This thing will murder you.. Run."

[rare fractal]

Yeah, maybe not black saliva, that gives me a scientific headache, but otherwise yes

[outer sphinx]

at this point, hyper rex is the image of the game, if they chnage that thats huge mistake

[last lily]

and not just "oh it's gray."

[rare fractal]

Yeah I love that

[last lily]

Original Hyper Rex was the best hyper Rex skin.

The 2nd one was just too gray... and bland.

[outer sphinx]

how does the new one look?

[last lily]

It has the big lame.

[outer sphinx]

Ye, generally im not much of a fan of the hypers but i absolutely love this one

[outer sphinx]

EW

[last lily]

I want the Hypers to look constantly pissed off and hungry, which the previous ones.. didn't really look like...

[lavish quail]

I want wizard spino

[outer sphinx]

man i miss this model

[last lily]

Wizard Spino likes to peek up Stego skirts

[rare fractal]

TSL rex had better calls

[last lily]

TLS Rex man... it was such a good model... Really sucks what happened to the The Stomping Lands.

[lavish quail]

Wizard spino looks like it doesn’t eat ngl

[outer sphinx]

Stopping lands Theri too, this new one just feels like tried to copy it

[last lily]

TLS Theri is probably one of the single most memorable Theris in media... on the good side....we don't talk about the infamously bad ones.

[outer sphinx]

Def

this image specifically

[last lily]

So good

[outer sphinx]

they may not be the most accurate but they have so much character

[last lily]

Imagine if the The Stomping Lands actually got completed and succeeded.. and what it would be like to play... and how much things could be different if it wasn't killed by one of its lead members.

[rare fractal]

It's easily become one the most popular theri interpretation as far as I'm aware

[last lily]

I still don't know what to think about this design.

[rare fractal]

I'm not a fan of the giant buck teeth and the plates

[last lily]

I'd argue it's THE most popular.

[rare fractal]

Looks like a broken ceramic pot on the floor

It's not necessarily bad, but the og hyper rex look is so damn good

[last lily]

I mean.. I kinda like the tusks... could do with them being a little smaller... and the plates changed a little, so it keeps the armored look but a little less goofy.. the inner tusk teeth need to go though..

I'd be 100% fine if they did a lagiacrus thing with it, rip. Outer jaw teeth made of scales/bone, and inner enamel teeth.

[rare fractal]

Yeah same, that's such a neat looking design for a jaw

[last lily]

The fact that they interlock too

Y e s .. Just YES.. And the fact that you can even give it a bear trap sort of thing going on too where once it bites on, it holds on, and applies increasingly high damage as its unique ability.

[rare fractal]

I love that design on so many levels

[last lily]

MH in general has such great designs, rip.

I feel like the main thing holding back the Hyper Giga(outside of a boring skin), is its proportions.. fix its legs, and tail, and posture and it can be even better(longer neck maybe but iffy on that). Hyper Spino just needs more bulk(and armor).

[rare fractal]

I like the way hyper giga's jaws work but that's pretty much it

The hunch of it's back and hips is neat tho

[last lily]

Something about its legs is just...very awkward.. and its tail is very short for an animal its size.

[rare fractal]

Yeah very true, especially with how enormous it's head is

It's tail should be even larger/longer

[last lily]

Absolutely.

[rare fractal]

Hyper rex kinda gets a pass because of it's more upright posture

Which for the love of god, please retain

The upright almost juvi rex posture it has is so interesting visually

[last lily]

They better keep the jaws of the hyper spino and hyper giga though... And same, hope they keep its upright posture.

[obtuse fractal]

@somber jolt i really like your suggestion because it'd give more value and fun to playing as a juvi, which a lot of playables lack in variety

also not to mention baby troodons will probably be one shot one kill

[hybrid matrix]

@keen obsidian it makes sense that all carnivores would do that, but then it negates the special abilities of allo and rex, because latching on/grappling wouldnt be unique anymore

[keen obsidian]

I'm not saying to make it a universal ability, I'm saying to implement it for the carnivors we have evidence for using it or where it make sense, keeping in mind the applications for gameplay and player experience.

[hybrid matrix]

oh

[worn pumice]

Well it technically is already being implemented

[hybrid matrix]

^

[worn pumice]

Utah has pounce

Allo will get grapple this is confirmed

Likely something else will have this

[hybrid matrix]

probably rex

[keen obsidian]

👀

[worn pumice]

Yea probably Rex

[keen obsidian]

So will rex then lose bone-break, or do they become stronger than their Legacy iteration? Those doesn't mean they will be OP since this is a new environment with new abilities attributed to new and old dinos.

[worn pumice]

Well we have fractures now

And it’s not RNG finally

Meaning depending on charging the attack or the speed it’ll determine the fracture amount

It’ll also depend on what part u fracture whether it’s body head or legs

[keen obsidian]

So rex is looking at a big overhaul at least.

[worn pumice]

Rex Acro spino and all the other apexes are probably very far away

[keen obsidian]

Of course

[worn pumice]

So it’s hard to tell what they’ll do and how they’ll work but for now we atleast know that fractures are a much better system then bone break rng

[paper oriole]

Wasn’t there a test animation for a cerato latch

[worn pumice]

Do u still have that image of that guy talking about his Utah clan and how he practiced to kill apexes?

[paper oriole]

This one?

[worn pumice]

Yes yes this one ty

[signal beacon]

Please tell me this is satire...

[paper oriole]

sadly it probably isnt

[hybrid matrix]

ha
12 year olds laughs in 13

[limber hull]

rex likely will still have bonebreak, but in the form of the new fractures

[limber hull]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855527844670865438/883589126392283197/Cerato_Grab.gif

[hybrid matrix]

unrealistic
cerato would get plowed by that tail if it approached from there

[limber hull]

true

[paper oriole]

the stego is so shocked by the sheer audacity of the cerato that he can't attack back

[hybrid matrix]

i would be too

[signal beacon]

I mean that's cera's whole thing. Audacity

[limber hull]

@signal beacon imo, a giga v rex brawl should always be favoured to rex. I've always seen rex as animal that lacks any form of endurance/chase, but is a great ambusher and decent brawler

In a brawl, spino > rex > giga

[signal beacon]

Ik that's why I said 55 45 in rexes favor. Giga can still kill rex but it needs to either be good or the rex needs to be dumb

[limber hull]

55:45 seems too favoured to giga imho

[signal beacon]

Eh ig. Giga shouldn't be trying to fight a healthy rex

So more like 60 40 maybe?

[spiral thunder]

That cera grabbbbbb . This is the mechanic I have been waiting on! Can’t wait to see it in action.

[signal beacon]

@cinder rivet then people would always have that setting on to remove foliage and make the game easier

[paper oriole]

Optional foliage lmao abusable much

Just screw the people using that foliage to hide

Screw vulnerable juvies or ambush hunters

[signal beacon]

He got ambushed and now hes angery

[cinder rivet]

well, i mean like blades of grass

i get the tall grass and how nice it all looks

and yes its nice for camo as a carni player

but theres way more than legacy and it tanks the performance

[signal beacon]

Almost all juvies rely on grass to hide

[cinder rivet]

yeah i could have defo worded it better

[worn pumice]

ive been saved multiple times becuz of that grass

[cinder rivet]

i dont want it removed

or like turned off just toned down a bit

[limber hull]

grass literally despawns from a distance

[signal beacon]

Also thor I'm pretty sure the lag has more to do with optimization then the foliage itself

[fierce lintel]

^

[crystal minnow]

@signal beacon overall nice suggestion for rex attacks, i had some similar thoughts on rex,s bite once.
But with your suggestion, i could see that rex would have a unfair advantage in defence with a charge bite: Now imagine, a rex gets approched by a few mid tier carnivores. What will the rex do? Right, it will covardly crouch on the spot and charge its bite. The attackers will have a very slim chance in getting the jump on it even is the rex is cornered. The rex will simply camp in its crouch and cripple the first attacker that gets too close. Thats why i can see such a ability being unbalanced.

[barren zephyr]

@cinder rivet allows exploits too easily

[lime harbor]

@signal beacon Rex is already confirmed to have an ability in which it grabs and pins down its prey with its jaws

[limber hull]

@shell mango a damage increase would be really annoying lmao

[shell mango]

i get that but if you going to make ppl do less with bad cores they should do more with good or just take the damage loss out

it just seemed a pain when i was a croc

[rare fractal]

I'd be interested to see what people think of my feedback outside of the basic Up or Downvote and as to why they agree or disagree, so if anyone has ideas or criticisms let me know

[rocky oak]

I do have a worry that creating biomes that gives specific dinos advantages over others creates a situation where a) everybody is hiding in their niche, and b) we get trench syndrom, where the "battlefield" stagnates because nobody can dig anybody else out.

I do very much like the idea of using coloring to help players find the biomes they're supposed to go forage in.

[rare fractal]

Could you explain "hiding in their niche" a bit? I don't quite get it, as biome specific terrain advantages for certain species can only make the creatures designed to exist in said biomes more effective in their own niche, that makes the design process of playables much easier as not all animals need to be viable by comparison to the whole roster as environmental factors would be quite impactful to an animals effectiveness in combat or survival.

[lavish quail]

Biome cooler if it’s different

[rocky oak]

If you know that you're strongest around, say, cliffs, then why would you risk going anywhere there's no cliffs?

[lavish quail]

Diets?

[rocky oak]

yes and no, you go and eat once, and then go back and hide for hours. The diet system is pretty forgiving, you don't need to eat much to keep it going.

So I think you'd end up with lots of dinos hiding where they're strongest isntead of interacting. Herbivores because that's where they're safest, and carnivores avoiding specifically the regions they know they can't dig prey out of even if they tried, which in turn creates safe havens where all the herbivores go, regardless of how much they'd fit that biome. Stalemate, I think?

[rare fractal]

That's exactly the point, the other areas of the map with different biomes also have their own handful of playables with their own food chain, any playable can theoretically exist anywhere, it's just the further specifications of optimal terrain

[cyan flame]

Wouldn't the point be to do just that though, keep x animal in x biome because it works there?

[rare fractal]

Yeah if every dino was encouraged to be everywhere on the map then every playable would need to compensate for every niche in the game

By design

[lavish quail]

I mean I main pachy and hypsi and as soon as I get my diet full I just sit on a rock or in a pack

[rocky oak]

what's the advantage of keeping players soft-stuck in specific locations that they're also particularly strong in?

[rare fractal]

If it is to remain fair to play each creature

[rare fractal]

You have far more freedom in playable design and ability creation, further making each dino/reptile more unique and distinct from the others

[lavish quail]

Everyone there is strong there, so for instance, magy in jungle; allo gonna shotgun that mf but they would have no reason to go there as they have no strengths and magy (hopefully) isn’t on its diet

[rocky oak]

that's a good thing, provided you can keep the rate of interaction high, which is specifically what I'm worried about. I'm not sure that would be the case with less than full servers

[rare fractal]

That's primarily an issue with server stability and player cap

[rocky oak]

If we took a practical example, crocs are already strong in such a biome, right? rivers.
The reason this works is because everybody has to go there to drink.

What if they were strong only in the plains for example? Why would anybody go there and give them hunting opportunities more than once every 2 hours real time?

[paper oriole]

because there are multiple plains animals

[lavish quail]

Well other animals gotta be on plains

So Gali and stego and shit are vibing there too

[cyan flame]

And because right now, deino is alone in the water

[rocky oak]

Do they? Or do they just have to eat there for a minute or two every few hours?

[rare fractal]

The fix to this is micro food chains with many playables adapted for specific environments

[paper oriole]

i hate being basically locked to a biome when i play but at the same time it would help make some trash additions like magy a bit less unbelievable

[lavish quail]

I mean your talking a lot of players, you don’t exactly wanna leave that area either cause your strong gene e

[lavish quail]

Shut yo bitch ass up about magy

[rocky oak]

sry, not clear what you mean with "strong gene e"

[lavish quail]

Phone moment

[paper oriole]

magy bad animal

[lavish quail]

Ew

[rare fractal]

Well it allows you to design magy to behave more accordingly to it's physiology instead of being a foul tasting speed demon with razor sharp osteoderms that's basically designed to handle every dino in the game

[paper oriole]

funny thing is magy's reel was anything but a speed demon

[lavish quail]

I shall leave shaming you

boooooo

[paper oriole]

magy is doodoo

[rare fractal]

Yes, it's one of my main issues with it's design, but if it is to be translated reasonably with some liberties then having biomes that advantage different animals is important

[rocky oak]

@rare fractal How many players do you think are necessary to make dedicated biome/dino scenarios work without it causing too much of a separation between players?

[rare fractal]

30-40 players per biome minimum

[rocky oak]

that is reasonable. But servers are too small for that right now, unless you only have 2 or 3 such biomes on hte map.

[rare fractal]

That's based on nothing but speculation

[cyan flame]

I would like for us to get more than one biome of the same kind on the map, or a more interesting biome in and of itself (more internal variation in the biome), to see how that feels. Because right now I'm inclined to agree with you, but I also think it could be because the current biomes aren't really done well.

[rare fractal]

Plus this is a game attempting to simulate a theoretical ecosystem with revived prehistoric species across history, it'd be foolish to deny that these animals (all animals for that matter) adapt to fit specific biome conditions, that's a basic aspect of evolution

[paper oriole]

some animals would have much smaller space than others for biome if they are basically locked their by an advantage/disadvantage, while some others would have a lot more freedom, so yeah some should excel in more than one biome

[rare fractal]

So everything in game being a statistical variant of any other animal with size difference and 1 unique ability seems rather redundant

[rocky oak]

oh, scientifically it makes perfect sense to have dinos specialize to certain biomes.

[paper oriole]

like a coastal biome would be a lot more free than being locked to a swamp biome where there may only be a few of that biome far apart

[rocky oak]

it's just that i don't think it would work right now with max 100 player servers.

if you want to have a good variety of biomes at least.

If there were only two or three different biomes, then that can work now.

in full servers only htough XD

[rare fractal]

From a gameplay standpoint it also makes sense, gives far more playable variation as this acts as a cushion to produce more unique playstyles for each playable, the only issue is player cap and server stability, which are admittedly big problems but fixable nonetheless

[rare fractal]

Oh yeah I never specified how many biomes I consider reasonable for the game, and I'd prolly max it at 5-6 (considering we established something as simple as rivers to be it's own biome)

But those biomes being very visually and geographically distinct is important

Not only aesthetically but for gameplay purposes

[rocky oak]

For the sake of design space, I'd consider these as biomes:
River/Swamp, Mountain/Cliff, Jungle, Savannah, Coast/Cliff

(btw, I still think the most important fix here is to restrict playable area based on current population)

[rare fractal]

And it's not as if these biomes need to be mutually exclusive, some of these biomes could be right in the middle of other biomes, like a small jungle cluster being in the middle of a savannah biome that harbors arboreal animals that have food preferences inside of the savannah biome, making their food collection process into that of a strategical trek over to their food and back to the jungle for safety

And yeah player numbers are indeed the main issue

As well as map size, which is funny since 60+% of the map isn't used

[rocky oak]

yes. if you have 40 players competing within the same biome, then you have space to force them to leave it reasonably frequently without risking that their home biome is basically empty all the time.

[rocky oak]

Which is a real big issue, since as a new player, I don't actually know hwere to go. So more than half the time, I'm going to spend hours running around unused areas, basically.

[rare fractal]

Yep, and some creatures would stay exclusive to their biome as some players would have greater advantages over other playables regardless of whether they share an intended biome

[rare fractal]

Yeah, the jungles are the main issue I'd say

In the north west and east of the map, it's just expansive swaths of forests with no discernable variation or landmarks

[lavish quail]

I mean not every biome has to be full

[rare fractal]

That's why most players gravitate towards center, the cliff wall acts as a compass along with radio tower, makes it easy to know where you're going

[lavish quail]

Who lives at coasts other than ptera?

[rocky oak]

almost right up until you fall off the cliff into the ocean in the north XD

[rare fractal]

Yes obviously, this is moreso in regards to a game version with drastically more playables in it

[rare fractal]

Uggggh, I hate the sheer drops on the map that are covered with bushes

It's almost like the devs want us to die

[rocky oak]

haven't seen a radio tower yet, and the only cliff I've seen is in the north at the ocean.

[rare fractal]

Radio tower is atop the mountain to the south west of the map

[lavish quail]

Radio towers a vibe

[rare fractal]

It's hard to get there and provides little benefit so only go there as a ptera

[rocky oak]

sounds like a plan actually, being adult leaves you with no progression anymore. So by introducing obstacles that can reset players, you both reward them for learning and not falling for it, while on the other hand forcing them to start over. Human psychology is weird, as strange as it sounds, you do actually get people to stick around for longer that way. (on average, you do of course also get people who just quit all the faster for it, but they're the minority)

[lavish quail]

Elders

[outer sphinx]

from any creature you play except hypsi you basically will play for more than 2 hours so we're stuck with the game no matter what

[limber hull]

also add perks which encourage gameplay variance and you have more than just "x lives in y". Like, you can have deinos on the coasts or tenos diving into the waters.

[lavish quail]

Perks are gonna be fucking sick

[limber hull]

so if your current environment is fucking desolate

spec into a perc build that gives you more survivability in another

[lavish quail]

Bro imagine a hypsi perk that makes it’s spit unrecoverable but shorter lasting

[limber hull]

(as long as environment 2 makes sense)

[lavish quail]

Or one that just makes it have acidic af spit

[limber hull]

so like, no fucking swamp carnos lmao

[lavish quail]

Perks could be really cool if they change gameplay a lot

Perks in DBD good example of what they could be like :p

[limber hull]

fuck no fuck no fuck no oh god

god i hate those perks

[lavish quail]

Don’t like dead hard, ds, Bt, COH builds? Or is it no Ed

[limber hull]

its EVERYTHING

its a lack of conveyance and counterplay and just hoping to GOD you don't get cucked by a random selection you have no way of seeing

Isle perks should diversify HOW you survive, not making it outright easier to survive

That's what DbD gets so fundamentally wrong

Every perk is just an outright upgrade, and you're a damn fool if you don't run them, and an even greater fool if you don't invest in the meta

[outer sphinx]

DBD is not a game about killers and survivors, its a game about perks, hitboxes and glitches, this is exactly what my diehard dbd friend told me

[outer sphinx]

i mean, we said the same about diets from other people i talked to and here we are

[limber hull]

I quickly tired of DbD when I realised my skill meant less than my perk build

[signal beacon]

What are we arguing about?

[outer sphinx]

Perks not beeing like in DbD ig

[signal beacon]

What's DbD?

[outer sphinx]

Dead by Daylight

[signal beacon]

I mean I've always had the idea that perks would be like changing playstyle/niche. Like maybe a perk that allows pachy to be more specialized for forests or mountains. Or cera being able to fish effectively.

[limber hull]

a fishing cera doesn't seem too far off tbh

thing already has aquatic tendencies

i agree with that kind of perk

[outer sphinx]

and has been shown in water scenarios in concept art

[limber hull]

stuff that changes how you play but doesn't outright make you better

it can make you far more specialised or generalised, depending on what you want to do

[signal beacon]

Imagine getting punted 400 feet to your death by a pachy that should be in the plains lmao

[outer sphinx]

as i see it, no perks makes you generalized but perks can specialize you to a preffered/ different playstyle

[lavish quail]

More so the game changing part of them

[limber hull]

except they change the game in unfun ways

they outright punish those who don't consider them

[signal beacon]

Also some perks could end up trusting you into competition with other species. Like fishing cera being forced to compete with sucho barry spino and deino

[limber hull]

EXACTLY

[outer sphinx]

lets not forget that there its also all about not just perks but glitches and hitboxes

[limber hull]

If you're specialising into "x", you have to realise that while you're escaping the threats in "y", "x" has its own unique threats and ecosystem

[outer sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[limber hull]

an aqua cera may not be proficient on land, but it can kick ass in the water (while still knowing to respect certain species)

[signal beacon]

Say your server has an overpopulation of a forest playable that is stronger than cera. So cera can spec into the fishing perk to avoid them.

[limber hull]

exactly. Animals can adapt, which should be a huge partt

perks shouldnt be something you invest into in order to win

they should be a direct response to hardships and preferences

[outer sphinx]

maybe this can become a reality

[signal beacon]

Unless that deino is young or braindead, no

[limber hull]

young, def

[outer sphinx]

def young, i bet it is young in the art

[limber hull]

cera is not nearly big enough to be tangoing with 8 ton powerhouses

[outer sphinx]

but the idea of aqua centric cera beeing proficient at this

small deino brawls

[signal beacon]

Sub deinos when they find an area devoid of suchos and see a cera swimming scarily fast toward them

[outer sphinx]

everywhere i go... i see his face

tho one thing i cant stop thinking about is the fact we will need one of 2 things when we get closer to the full roster, either way more players per server or have rotations be a thing since theres no way we can have all this dinos with 100 players in a functional ecosystem

[lavish quail]

Lemme rephrase that now that my phone isn’t dead; your a ptera vibing on river food, you can get a perk that expands your diet to scavenging or coastal fish

[outer sphinx]

not that, the fact you you gave as an ex DbD which in terms of gameplay for any other game has a flawed system for perks

[lavish quail]

Eh it’s not too flawed if you plan on playing the game a bunch

But still what I said before bout ptera

[outer sphinx]

what you said there is a pretty good and straight forward perk that just gives you more options/ increasing survivability

[lavish quail]

Maybe a perk that lets it grab meat while flying :?

Hypsi spit changing perks and stuff too :I

[outer sphinx]

i mean when the game itself revolves around perks bugs and crappy hitboxes and not the nieche it secured in game genres is kinda sad

[outer sphinx]

would work very weird and not make much sense

[lavish quail]

Eh better than perks just being; you do more damage

[outer sphinx]

if thats what we get its gonna be diets all over again

[signal beacon]

Larger dinos may have less perks in that field due to them already being specialized apexes

Changing a rex or gigas niche is just a recipe for disaster

[manic flint]

Perks will probably have to do with 'slightly less water drain'
Or something similar

[manic sun]

what? I thought they will be like special attacks?!

[manic flint]

Lmao no

That's Path of Titans

They are 'perks'
Slight benefits you can gain by passing away from old age

For your next playthrough as that animal on that server

[hoary dawn]

you get them from reaching certain growths

[manic sun]

ik but at least the elder perks should be smth. more uhh unique