general-feedback-discussion

[outer sphinx]

well other than the clear jp ripoff like gali compy and troodon its not a bad recreation without the shitty wrists jp has

[manic sun]

yea I have no problem with that but I see too many people going around saying stuff like : weLl iRl spInO coUldN´t fIgHt anD hUnt foeS/pReY aNd itS siZe wAs mAinLY thERe for INtiMidIaTioN

[hasty dagger]

I mean it couldn’t for the most part, that shouldn’t have any bearing in The Isle though

[outer sphinx]

nah for balancing i couldnt care less how realistic it was, more the dino itself like how it looks, sounds and some simple stats like weight since these impact the game much less, bc if it was realistic in balancing most things would 1 shot and thats just not fun

[manic sun]

again who knows about that we´ve never seen a spoon fighting idk with what it lived, with majunga?

[hasty dagger]

If you’re just gonna say who knows we haven’t seen it to everything there’s no point

[manic sun]

exactly

[hasty dagger]

You could invalidate the entirety of the field of paleontology like that

[hot inlet]

with Charcha too
didnt we have a spino where one took a bite out of its sail ?

[barren zephyr]

That was debunked iirc

[hasty dagger]

Spino shifted increasingly towards being super specialized so that it didn’t have to fight stuff like Charch

[manic sun]

yea in one of the docus, but like I just want to see spino slapping stuff with its claws and shit like that who cares if it didn´t was like that irl, other dinos feared it bc of its size but players wouldn´t

[hot inlet]

the problem with Dinosaurs is we dont have anything ner as similar to them today
Birds are Dinosaurs bu birds act a lot diffrent

while with other animals like mammoths you have elephants
wolly rhinos you have rhinos
and Sabertootsh you have other big cats
even theyr not so closely relatet they match the body plan

[hasty dagger]

That’s still not an excuse to just invalidate and dismiss theory of any kind

Sticking to what we know is regressive

[hot inlet]

im always in for new stuff like back then with fethered dinosaurs
but only if it makes realisticly seen at least 50 % sense

i can def imagine a Spinosaur in the drysession trying to hunt smaller critters or try to scare away other carnivores from theyr kill

[signal beacon]

@sonic spear no

[sonic spear]

k

why not

[signal beacon]

No

[sonic spear]

not my fault u have a small weenor

[signal beacon]

Titanaboa is cringe

[lavish quail]

titanboa is based what you on

big snake that can swim

And it could have a cool strangle ability with venom

Very cool snake

[hot inlet]

but titanoboa prob had no Venom otherwise it would not have to constrict stuff

[lavish quail]

Its a game

so both of those are cool

[outer sphinx]

venom dinos are cheap

[hybrid matrix]

Eh
Not really

Depends

[signal beacon]

We already have 2 and we dont need more than 1

[outer sphinx]

just another shitty trend JP made, and im reffering to venom dinos that had no venom btw

[hybrid matrix]

You can't just give something venom bc it lacks anything special
that's cheap

Oh, then yeah

[lavish quail]

Whats wrong with venom?

[hot inlet]

at least we dont get the Troodons layed theyr eggs inside the bodys of theyr victims or so like in hte JP games haha

[hybrid matrix]

Considering the size of most of the trees in game rn, maybe titano could be a tree snake, hunting herras and pteras

[outer sphinx]

if dinos actually had venom , im fine, im just sick of adding venom to dinos that didnt have it cough metri in pot, troo and dilo on TI cough

[lavish quail]

Venom is a fucking based mechanic shut yo mouth

[outer sphinx]

[hybrid matrix]

Dilo and troodon definitely should have venom
That's their whole thing

[lavish quail]

Shut yo mouth paleo nerd

[outer sphinx]

ah yes... venom...

[hot inlet]

the sad truth is
as much as i love the real Dilo
i generally like the JP Dilo with Venom and the frill a lot more

[hybrid matrix]

Also if ur gonna say that troodon didn't have venom then go the full mile and say that it didn't even exist

[hybrid matrix]

Metri definitely doesn't need venom, tf r u on? Metri isn't even in this game

[outer sphinx]

i can accept those 2 since its already set in stone for the game and media at least for dilo more so but adding it to just smth else that didnt need bc &fuck you* is just cheap

[outer sphinx]

ik, that was more a point to my venom is cheap (btw metri got venom in POT lol)

[hybrid matrix]

Pot is a whole other game with different devs
That's the dumbest example I've ever seen

[lavish quail]

Sounds too paleonerdy

Just let a game be a game and add a cool ass snake

[outer sphinx]

well there wasnt 1 species as the troo we know but multiple so it kinda did exists just not like this but the point could still be made its just one of thopse but got the name troodon so ehh...

[lavish quail]

No one cares our troodon doestn even resemble ittt

[outer sphinx]

im not against the adding a snake, im against adding venom just bc fuck you development

[lavish quail]

Add a mechanic for only 2 dinosaurs?

[outer sphinx]

the devs said eahc dino will have a unique mechanic/gimmik so yes

[hybrid matrix]

Dude the only venomous things that are confirmed are dilo and troo

[lavish quail]

Troodon has calls and dilo has hallucinations

[hybrid matrix]

Titano, like I said, should be a tree snake

[outer sphinx]

troo has venom more like we snakes do now, and dilos venom works at night as halunogens

[hybrid matrix]

Hunting herras and pteras

[lavish quail]

Snakes have venom

big ass snake with venom is sick

[hybrid matrix]

Not boas

[lavish quail]

Its a skeleton of a dead snake i doubt they could know that stuff

[outer sphinx]

when younger yea, as adult with the trees we have rn no since its to heavy, maybe redwoods, also herra is much faster thna titan in a tree

[lavish quail]

Gib cool snake

[hybrid matrix]

Actually our current trees are huge

[lavish quail]

mabye have its venom reduce stamina

[outer sphinx]

we can actually, their teeth didnt have the channels for venom nor space for glands

[lavish quail]

so it can hunt over long periods

[lavish quail]

Boringgggg

[hybrid matrix]

Not the small ones, the trees that you find near water and in forests

There are super tall trees all over

[outer sphinx]

ehh depends, as a baby its def plusible, as adult much less, tho we still are getting redwoods at some point so...

[lavish quail]

Cool game > paleo shit

[outer sphinx]

you dont want realism, BoB is the game

[lavish quail]

BoB is shit tho

everythings the same and its not even semi realistic

[hybrid matrix]

It depends on how big the snake will be
Bc our trees are huge

[outer sphinx]

iirc its said to be between 1t to 2t more like 2 tho

so thats why im more maybe

[outer sphinx]

but thats exactly what you like from what it seems

[hybrid matrix]

Brb

[lavish quail]

Troodon does exist and magy wouldnt work in a environment with allos and carnos

But game so it works ¯_(ツ)/¯¯_(ツ)/¯

[hybrid matrix]

Back

[outer sphinx]

well magy is def a questionable choice seeing as it had no predators but if they wanted magy for whatever reason, at them

[lavish quail]

Whats so far fetched about making a snake cool

[lavish quail]

stfu magy hater

[hybrid matrix]

There are better ways

[lavish quail]

disgusting

[lavish quail]

Sorry slow snake climbs tree and gets outrun by a herra

best dino ever

[outer sphinx]

and the troodon existing its meh, its mostly just the naming basically in media thats the issue but ig it sounds better than the actual names

[hybrid matrix]

Why does it have to be slow? Ur putting words in my mouth

[lavish quail]

Cause its a snake

sankes arent fast unless they do da ting

[outer sphinx]

i dont think you understood my point, im unable to hate on maggy, i cant hate on my own nationality, i made a point that the devs just wanted to add maggy so fuck ik why

[hybrid matrix]

It doesn't have to slither fast
It can still move it's head around

[hot inlet]

then you could make Titano an ambush predator in bushes and trees or in the swamp
like modern pythons and boas /anacondas do it

[outer sphinx]

for titano to be viable it would be a semi aquatic and somewhat good on land but far better in water

[hybrid matrix]

Yeah, snatching small dinos into the trees

Swamp snake that hides in the trees and the water

[outer sphinx]

for titano in trees, the models need to be made bigger, since the trees we have rn, at least a good majority would just fall if a titano climbed them

[lavish quail]

Or cool venom snake thats better than some boring normal snake i can play in a roblox game

[hybrid matrix]

Bro
Have you seen the trees? Not the small ones
The ones in thick forests that are huge

[hybrid matrix]

it. Does. Not. Need. Venom.

[outer sphinx]

the jungle or forest?

[hybrid matrix]

Jungle

[lavish quail]

It Would Be Cool

[hybrid matrix]

It would be cheap

[outer sphinx]

so these?

[lavish quail]

How tf is it cheap

[hybrid matrix]

Yes
Those huge fucking trees

[outer sphinx]

the trunk, ye, but the branches not really, titano is like 2t afterall

[hybrid matrix]

Khaens please explain this
I'm on my phone

[outer sphinx]

venom is a cheap mechanic that gets added bc thats just bad game dev, to lazy to think of an cool mechanic so they folow the classic borriong shitty trend of venom on dinos/creatures that dint have any

at least the 2 venom dinos we are getting made it not just oh dmg overtime but smth better, like halucinations or for troodon some form of internal pain that causes puking etc

[manic sun]

If their playstyles will be unique I see no problem with that tbh

[outer sphinx]

and if megalani gets venom too its prob gonna be like komodo who uses infections

[lavish quail]

Thats fucking dumb

sliding in fps is a cheap mechanic because its not unique

smh thats bullshit

[hot inlet]

megalania would actually make the most sense for venom ....most monitor lizards have it

[manic sun]

The bacteria in its mouth makes flesh rot and paralyzes u after some time, they bite u, track u down and eat u alive. Wholesome beasts

[outer sphinx]

ehh we already have 2 confirmed and a possible 3 venom based dino

[lavish quail]

We have 100+ dinos confirmed

[manic sun]

1 small pack hunter another bigger pack hunter and whatever the fuck megalania is

[outer sphinx]

ye since they eat basically everyting thats some nasty infections in that saliva, its not even venom really, just saliva but i can see why it would be called venom

[outer sphinx]

megalania the hunchback of dondivile

[lavish quail]

Megalania should be able to dig in burrows

that would be cool

[outer sphinx]

it can iirc, shown in proto concept

or at least is on the drawing board of possible interactions

[hot inlet]

wait its venom
last i knew they have venom glans but they lack the special teeth to deliver it
so it just mixes with the saliva when they bite down and then it gets into the wound

[outer sphinx]

oh, maybe some of them do, i just know komodos and some others eat so much nasty shit that their saliva is very infectious etc

[hot inlet]

the thing is you as an human have a like 80 % chance to get an infection when you get bite hard by another human if the wound would not get cleaned
even the human who bite oyu would always clean theyr teeth
its not that much about rotten stuff who makes a bite "bad"

[outer sphinx]

true, anyway megalania is the only actually good venom implementation in the game (going not my gameplay just by realism etc)

[lavish quail]

Realism can suck on a dick

[outer sphinx]

BoB is awating you :)

[lavish quail]

Realism means the ocean is full of trash and capitalism would make the island empty

[outer sphinx]

the game is based on realism up to a point, and that realims goes for each dino, character etc and environments not balancing, as simple as that

[signal beacon]

If you want realism carno cant fight teno

[hot inlet]

and Deino would one shot anything
and Stego would also one shot Utah ,Carno and co
and even they would survive they would die on infection and so on

[lavish quail]

Realsim sucksss

[signal beacon]

Misckick lmao sorry

I was trying to find that gif of a croc flying out of the water but internet said no

[lavish quail]

spiros beaches if realism was here

[hot inlet]

the thing is so this game works there have to be a balance between realism and "made" up stuff
so probably for every made up thign you need 2 or 3 realistic things in there

[lavish quail]

https://tenor.com/view/garbage-sword-gif-15518765

srly tho venom snake and lizard is based

[light meadow]

Or worse, the isle would suffer from gentrification. Then the local dinos couldn't afford to live there.

[lavish quail]

University rent for juvies would be too high man

[light meadow]

They sub adults would have to work at bars and coffee shops. They'd have to serve the very amazon employees that ruined their neighborhood.

[lavish quail]

Poor utahs in the working class while rexes and stegs gloat at them

[light meadow]

Driving around in their teslas, while Utah has to ride the bus with a drug addicted Cerato.

[icy lion]

Let's keep this chat serious and on topic, please

[light meadow]

Sorry just having a laugh.

[lavish quail]

discord mod moment

[sonic spear]

titano could huntdeinos

[lavish quail]

ehhhhh

[sonic spear]

if real life boas can hunt crocs

so can titano

[paper oriole]

Titanboa is useless as fuck though

In reality it was just a big elephant trunk snake

Maybe it could eat hatchling and young juvie deinos but it is fodder otherwise

[sonic spear]

your wrong

[hoary dawn]

his wrong

[sonic spear]

titanoboas can constrict a deinos lungs

boom ez they dead #1 victory royale

[hoary dawn]

assuming a deino is dumb enough to let the boa get close

and doesn't just bite it

[sonic spear]

boas are smarter, and faster

[hoary dawn]

not faster

[paper oriole]

titanboa cant even unhinge its jaw like a real boa it is a wannabe

[hoary dawn]

titanoboa is slow

[paper oriole]

“Boas are smarter” bruh these animals are controlled by humans

[sonic spear]

titanoboa is fast in water, and its not a wannabe, it existed before

[paper oriole]

I know it existed

[sonic spear]

mf are you sped, all animals are controlled by humans now

[daring remnant]

the stealth is quite on it's part since it's basically croutching all the time

talking about the boa

[sonic spear]

boa is SMALL compared to titano

and boas can kill regular crocs

[paper oriole]

Lmao stop projecting, you tried to say boas are smarter for this marchup when that means jack shit because both animals are controlled by a human in this matchup

Modern day boas function differently than titanboa

[sonic spear]

your dumb

[paper oriole]

ok buddy

No argument so just resort to namecalling

[icy lion]

Enough of that.

[sonic spear]

all you can say is that they were both controlled by humans, which is false

[paper oriole]

Titanboa is basically just a blown up version of this useless fish eating snake

[paper oriole]

Bruh i am talking about the isle matchup

[daring remnant]

constrictors aren't truly useless

[sonic spear]

they would add a constricting mechanism

[sonic spear]

not true

[daring remnant]

they can do their job just fine

[paper oriole]

If they make titanboa arboreal it is fodder, if they make it aquatic it is fodder

Because the ecosystem they are in

It could only eat juvies and get dunked on by suchos, deinos, and spinos because it is simply outclassed

[sonic spear]

thats not true

live boas can kill normal crocodile

[paper oriole]

Maybe in its historical ecosystem it may have been a beast but in the isle nah

You are using matchups of animals who naturally exist with eachother

[daring remnant]

Idk how a 12-15 meters long snake could only eat juvies

[sonic spear]

they can make it good in the isle too

[paper oriole]

They have to give it literal superpowers for it to not be crocodile food in the isle

[sonic spear]

false they could make it be able to constrict

[daring remnant]

a lot of stuff can be just crocodile food, atleast I think (little note you're not forced to answer me since you're already having an argument with someone, I'm just saying my opinions on some things)

[paper oriole]

Most of deinosuchus' food can reliably avoid it as of yet aside from server provided fish

Titanboa is free pickings for any deinosuchus more than a few hours old

[daring remnant]

they can buff it in some innatural ways, it's the isle after all, look at the spino

same for anky and magy

[paper oriole]

The spino is using a mainstream movie monster design. Magy shouldnt exist and anky actually looks nerfed

[lavish quail]

what are we talking about

[daring remnant]

just pointed out that the isle at this point is at 50% not giving a f*ck about realism

[paper oriole]

Sure they could make totanboa work like a fucking springtrap and look ridiculous doing so but otherwise it just wont be able to defend itself

[lavish quail]

Mainstream movie monster design is awesome

[lavish quail]

most games like 90% so we got that

[paper oriole]

Wasnt saying whether it was or not

[daring remnant]

kinda, I see some weird stuff like hypno or troodon

[paper oriole]

But if it looks absolutely stupid doing it then its out of place

Fictionalized raptors leaping and pouncing, fictionalized tenonto with steroids using its tail as a meat guillotine, fictionalized hypsi spitting in your eyes, these are all fiction but they look good in the environment, they feel natural

How could they make titanboa more than a big spaghetti snack to other animals in its biome while keeping the immersive feeling

[daring remnant]

ok you got one point

second, they could make it like an anaconda

a constrinctor that can go in water and hide at the bottom

[lavish quail]

Venom titan =>

[daring remnant]

the titanoboa was a constrictor

[lavish quail]

It could do that too

Venom is mainly unique to the dino it has right?

[paper oriole]

Ah hell naw

[lavish quail]

troodon with vommit and dilo with hallucinations

[paper oriole]

Constrictors with venom

[lavish quail]

Titan could slow stuff down and constrict it

[daring remnant]

that doesn't sound too right....

[lavish quail]

shhhhh

[paper oriole]

Yeah thats just wack lol

[lavish quail]

shhhhhh

[daring remnant]

Nikocado moment

[lavish quail]

its cool shhhhhhhh

[daring remnant]

giving me the vibe of the BoB velociraptor, K I'll stop now

[paper oriole]

Wait for marine roster
Add venomous palaeophis

[lavish quail]

Idk it needs something to make it not die

[lavish quail]

Better titanboa 🙂

[daring remnant]

that would be something more scary and respectable

[paper oriole]

Sea snake is chad

[lavish quail]

fast meme

[sonic spear]

titanoboa>

[daring remnant]

yeah I'm quite fast

[daring remnant]

don't worry it's just a meme titano is fine to me

[lavish quail]

tututut

[sonic spear]

titano boa is still 20 feet bigger

[lavish quail]

Sea snake with venom better>

sea snake tho

[sonic spear]

no

itd bads

[lavish quail]

Yes

Sea snake better

[sonic spear]

no

[lavish quail]

yes

[sonic spear]

u have luffy pfp so my opinion is instantly more valid

[daring remnant]

both are good, good ending

[sonic spear]

miines better

[lavish quail]

Paleonerd pfp i am above you

[sonic spear]

no

[daring remnant]

you can never try to do a happy ending, someone must feed their ego and say that their option is better...

[lavish quail]

Big snake cool but not very practical

[sonic spear]

cuz my opinnion

[dense meteor]

What?

[hybrid matrix]

Tree snake that ambushes from the trees and pulls you up

The big trees I mean

[paper oriole]

dodo bird? more like free food lol

[left nacelle]

Dodo is too cliché imo. Plus it would basically just be a bigger chicken

[rare fractal]

Can we just let titanoboa die, please

[hoary dawn]

already did

[rare fractal]

Yeah maybe this is a case in which natural selection should be consulted 😓

[sacred moat]

Dodo would literally be a giant chicken AI

Also can we just drop the titan boa thing. It’s literally a giant spaghetti noodle for apexes to eat

[barren zephyr]

@rare wren dodos are anything but a good option for the isle

they were an insular, predator-free animal

like they got wiped out because of rats (though that happens to most insular animals anyway)

[outer sphinx]

i mean the fact we got maggy, another predator free insular animal... i wouldnt be surprised if we got dodo too (im aware of the major size differences)

[paper oriole]

Magy should be deleted

[outer sphinx]

as much as i cant hate on romania, ye, i agree

[paper oriole]

Literally a sauropod that got preyed on by a pterosaur

It should be ashamed

Plateosaurus is way cooler and its a prosauropod

[outer sphinx]

we could've got zalmoxes, the other romanian boi, but no we got dino with dwarf syndrome

so many more options that are better

[paper oriole]

Balaur bondoc, a velociraptor sized arboreal omnivore with 4 switchblade claws, comes from the same island as magy and is way cooler

[outer sphinx]

a good competitor to herra too...

but ig i can see why they didnt choose him

[paper oriole]

Based animal. But we get the cera bait midget sauropod

[outer sphinx]

So much more based too (compared to maggy)

since beipi isnt the porcupine...

[paper oriole]

Burrowing taco porcupine wen

Like the man already got quills in his isle model

[outer sphinx]

taco and oro iirc are getting the AI treatment, velo too i think

[paper oriole]

Hope not tbh that would be quite the waste

[outer sphinx]

prob will become playable down the line but when it gets added it will be AI, thats my guess

i just hope taco doesnt get venom, im sick of cheap venom in dinosaurs in media

[paper oriole]

Taco being the master burrower with complex tunnel and chamber systems, velo being the top tier burrow raider with decent climbing ability, and oro yeeting himself down mountainsides to escape predators would be cool

[outer sphinx]

dryo and taco can burrow elaborate systems, minmi and proto have simple burrows like in legacy, megalania can dig into burrows but most likely viable for proto and minmi and the small dromeosaurs are better for the advanced burrowers

[paper oriole]

I dint think dryo needs or deserves burrowing tbh. If they really do give it burrowing again it should be like legacy, a single chamber hide

His agility should be expanded on. Better dodge, better build to juke and exhaust predators

[outer sphinx]

they confirmed it will get burrow back and a more elaborate vers of it

[paper oriole]

They intend to make burrows more elaborate in general afaik

[outer sphinx]

ye, not for every burrower but for some

[paper oriole]

It doesn’t deserve the furthest extent of the burrowing potential

[outer sphinx]

like minmi and proto cant make alborate systems, but afaik all burrowers can make multiple entrances

[paper oriole]

It is an animal built to run

The best burrowing ability should be saved for the animals who arent as flighty. The devs make some weird decisions

[outer sphinx]

well it will loose its dodge ability iirc

so its a trade of mechanics

[paper oriole]

I hadn’t heard anything about that. Such a waste

Dryo is built to run and they stick it with burrowing

[outer sphinx]

i do hope they give dodge for another dino

[paper oriole]

I hope they double back on enhanced burrowing for dryo and let it keep its dodge with improvements, personally

Such an awful decision to stick an athletic running dino with burrowing as its big ability

[outer sphinx]

maybe, since all other burrowers will have an actual defense ability

proto is proto, minmi is evident and taco has quills

[paper oriole]

If they ignore taco's quills imma be upset

Lotts weird ass decisions coming from those guys

[outer sphinx]

as long as we dont get more cheap venom dinos im good

[barren zephyr]

the stomping land had a semi quadrupedal taco which did use quills for defense

sorta like proto in a way

[outer sphinx]

stomping lands has some really nice designs ngl

[barren zephyr]

but irl psittacosaurus didnt really have particularly sharp quills

they were just these curly spiky things

[outer sphinx]

i mean they can def take some liberties as long as its realistic, like tenos tail its not acuarte but kinda realistic

[barren zephyr]

teno has a bunch of inaccuracies and artistic license taken

[outer sphinx]

not every addition will be 100% acurate so it seems kinda fair as long as its realistic, only part of teno thats iffy on realism is the tail slam

[paper oriole]

If spino can be a generic terrestrial theropod then taco can have porcupine quills

[lavish quail]

taco with porcupine quills?

that sounds actually so fucking awesome

[rare wren]

:(

[urban flax]

"humans" "unnecessary thing"
This hurts

[barren zephyr]

humans suck

[paper oriole]

I want to liquify humans with my herbivores and eat them with my carnivores this is essential

[barren zephyr]

im sorry

[paper oriole]

I want to carry human body around for no reason except i enjoy it

[barren zephyr]

Gonna solo humans with a dryo

Watch it happen

[paper oriole]

Humans better die to bodyslam collision from a dryo when trample is in

Humans better get split open from a single galli kick

[barren zephyr]

They're gonna release half baked(another case of hypsi)

then after a long period they'll be mediocre

at the very least

which is pretty stupid imo

to add something only based on your word that you'd do it when it's clearly not ready

It's like chucking in troodon without a bite, venom, or growth

[paper oriole]

To be fair if they dont add humans theyll get more drama theyre probably trying to dodge that

[barren zephyr]

Lmao

[paper oriole]

All the “the devs said they'd do this and they didn't they suck waaaaa”

[barren zephyr]

Drama shouldn't be prioritized in design

[paper oriole]

They kinda dug themselves in to this hole ig

[barren zephyr]

Nor should it influence the development process

[paper oriole]

Well i guess it’s important to them to keep their word here

As long as they fix the gamebreaking bugs and shit we've got first idc. KFSing humans will probably be entertaining

[barren zephyr]

"Okay, so humans aren't done, not as fast as I thought they'd be. I'll postpone it until they have an acceptable amount of mechanics to function as an addition. They'll be some flak, but not gonna release things half assed "

This is the same thought process that should've been shared with Hypsi/Stego

Mind you that the mechanics made for Stego were designed around it being ai, but seeing that it was "playable" they decided to chuck it in

I personally think that zero beneficiary changes should be made right now considering how slow the development process already is. And how much more playables would be more important for the ecosystem right now

more Hypsi-like additions should be avoided

[lavish quail]

EH

humans are cool

I wanna get jumpscared by everything

horror side of the game for once

[barren zephyr]

Admittedly they'd be cool for that

But it'd be fun for about 10 mins if they release zero mechanics

[wicked osprey]

God i pray to god utah pounce remains as it is

[manic sun]

it won´t and that´s good

[daring remnant]

utah pounce doesn't even work it should be fixed

[paper oriole]

Utah pounces numbers might not need a buff but it definitely needs a fix

It shouldnt stay buggrd thats just bad game design lmao

[manic sun]

Pounce on it´s own is good af like seriously the problem is just that stegos have enough braincells to go to a tree or into these palm bushes and just camp there

that defenitely needs to be changed if a stego hits like a tree or smth. they get like staggered for 2s or so

[paper oriole]

That just sounds so artificial

[manic sun]

so that both sides can´t really do anything but still can be punished

[paper oriole]

Maybe trees can interrupt attacks for everybody bht a stagger is stupid and random

[manic sun]

yea

interruping sounds better if im honest

[paper oriole]

Like its a solid object getting in the way

The environment needs to have more impact tbh

[manic sun]

but should a stegos tail get stuck like in a small palm or smth like that? Or any dinos claws,teeth,horns/spikes etc.

[paper oriole]

Eh idk, stopping attacks seems fine enough

Is the water still exploitable

[manic sun]

yes

[paper oriole]

Like ankle deep water

[manic sun]

ohh wait I thought u were talking about deinos, like the ripples

[paper oriole]

I used it against a mixpack on live but i never tested in in qa

Standing in ankle deep water making you immune to pounce

[manic sun]

i think they changed the ankle deep water exploit, think I read it in the dblog

not sure tho

[paper oriole]

Well at least that long standing weird issue is getting worked on

[frozen heron]

@rich crater The more recent concept art of austroraptor has more accurate proportions

[rich crater]

[weak dune]

They're going to get drama anyway just throwing humans in with no mechs or real way to play lol

People will have fun getting the "horror game experience" for like. Maybe a day. And then it'll be nothing but constant complaints about how everything kills you as a human and how unfair and frustrating that is and why aren't humans in with guns and cars and blahblahblah

[deep matrix]

but at the same time its best to let the community say what would be best for humans for the devs to sort through, just so it can be altered easier over time

[fierce lintel]

@barren zephyr If you're talking about update 4 it's nearly ready

[barren zephyr]

Yes but its taking too long its sad we have to play qa by the time its released it would feel boring

[fierce lintel]

pretty sure if you want it to not be spoiled you just don't play qa

[barren zephyr]

Yet once update 4 drops itll be boring for the people that are spoiled srsly the update shouldnt take this long its longer than update 3

[urban flax]

Update 3 was 2 dinos and 2 locomotion mechanics.
This one is the diet system that applies for every playable, the fracture system that applies for every playable, both of which are very complex mechanics that need thoughtful balancing, and one new dinos. Excluding the ton of other small additions that come with every update.

[barren zephyr]

which is a reason to why they should've just done diets for this update
but oh well, they didn't know it'd take this long

[sharp oak]

Pachy and fractures should've waited

Something like Kentro would've been great with diets

[barren zephyr]

or even, like originally planned, cerato

more so Magy

but, fractures wasn't needed right now.

[sharp oak]

YES

[barren zephyr]

yes

more herbs should be a priority for playables

[limber hull]

i think fractures are fine, i think diets were possibly too early

[barren zephyr]

@silver gust Although we don't have skin concepts for velo and proto like we do for austro, cherry, etc. we do have this model for proto that reveals its base coloration, velo doesn't have anything yet.

[eternal cypress]

is there only one server for QA? for me its like constantly full so i can never get on to try it 💔

[raven lark]

the pounce is so bad I want to rip my eyes out

[spice shell]

usually between 3-6 MT QA servers up unless they performing maintenance

[abstract juniper]

yo guys

do we know what are the next few dinos that are gonna be added

?

also

what do we know about protoceratops and how it will be in evrima

[lavish quail]

Troodon next

It will have venom, strong night vision and it will mimic calls

[abstract juniper]

and after troodon

?

[uneven mist]

we don`t know they havent confirmed anything yet

[errant pagoda]

if they stick to the roadmap (and they rarely do) maybe Cera and Magy? for the gore update 6?

[hoary dawn]

troodon is coming after and/or with the gore update

after that its likely we'll see cerato or beipi

[raven lark]

is grabbing food not working for anyone else?

[barren zephyr]

Honestly the route I would wanna see be

Troodon
Cerato
Gali
Ovi
Magy
Herrera
Dilo
Beipi
Kentro

Beipi isn’t really needed rn and kentro spikes seen really good for the current roster

I would wanna see Gali and Ovi sooner because egg thief’s , Gali is just a good food option for stuff like Utah and Carno

[lavish quail]

God it better not be karate gali again

[hot inlet]

no it will be hyper karate galli
kicking everythign to death

[hoary dawn]

as it should be

[mental timber]

I already see hordes of gallies smacking the whole server

[glass swan]

yes, blob rex

[snow yacht]

When is the next patch suppose to drop?

Or theorised to drop at least?

[lavish quail]

@near vine that’s racism

[near vine]

Asia is not a race its a region if your not gonna ban hackers then update your firewalls to stop all the hacking

[bleak atlas]

No not really

[lavish quail]

That’s sounds more like update anticheat not ban the entire of Asia cause stereotypes

[near vine]

Ya know I even got a couple of their names tonight but dont matter no where to report them or have anyone enforce it. These hacks have plagued the game for years from Bush hacking to forever stamina to literally seeing everyones name tags no matter where they are on the map or what species they are or hell lets not forget the gamma hack. These are commonly known through the community. To anyone who has played and obviously easy anti cheat hasnt really slowed it down the owners and devs know its a problem how long will it take to update easy anti cheat? A day? A week? A month? A year? Lol everyone sees it some even brag about it 8/10 hackers coming from the region of Asia so if you guys arent gonna fix the issue why wouldnt you region lock them ? And cut the hacking down considerably? Until they can fix easy anti cheat?? I mean it literally ruins the experience of the game and makes it no fun, Tired of being punished for playing the game without cheating and Everyone pretending its no big deal but sure fine how dare I call hackers - hackers ive only played for 2 years and big supporter of the community

[limber hull]

its not really racism to point out that a predominant amount of hackers come from the asian region, which is true

its racist to call all of them cheaters or hackers or something derogatory

[near vine]

Which I dont believe I did

Granted I am pretty frustrated about all the hacking so I'm gonna go cool off

[limber hull]

thats fair

take care mate, i get that can be frustrating

[near vine]

Thanks I appreciate it

[glass swan]

Well u did insinuate that all Asians that play the isle are hackers and asked to cut out an entire region from playing, which sounds xenophobic to me at the least

[manic sun]

he said most of the asians are hackers I believe, 8/10 smth. like that

but I personally wouldn´t region cut them

[glass swan]

“for the love god ban asian region from playing all they do is hack and make mega mix packs”

Called an entire region “they”

[weak dune]

Except you're comparing a terrestrial animal to an oceanic one. Notice how most animals that have excessive blobbiness compared to their skeletons are either fully aquatic or mostly aquatic animals? (whales, dolphins, seals). There's a reason for that. Gravity in water is different than gravity on land, especially in regards to stress on the skeletal system. Whale Blob Rex would die of arthritis lmao

[signal beacon]

Great argument. But blob rex.

[glass swan]

Well the blob rex is exaggerated but still, it could look entirely different, like the animals in “All todays” by C.M. Kosemen, birds look like skinny legends with spear like arms and elephants are completely alien like. It’s called plastic wrapping I think(or something like that) where we just kinda add some hypothetical muscle and fat and slap the skin on it. But we’ll never really know if Dino’s like rex had some weird attributes that weren’t fossilized. So for now, no blob rex…. But maybe soon 🦖

[weak dune]

I mean if you want to go make another game with blob rex, I'm not stopping anyone lol

[glass swan]

#blobrex

[weak dune]

That's fair. I don't really disagree either, I just think trying to make a T-Rex with the heaviness and fat of a whale is a little ridiculous lol

[glass swan]

Agree but maybe just maybe, blob troodon

[weak dune]

But there's really a lot we don't know about how things actually looked. Like the scales vs feathers argument

[lavish quail]

@light meadow cool and all but silenced gun that isnt silenced = not fun gun

[urban flax]

Silencers would still have a use

[signal beacon]

Yes but I wanna see humans suffer

[urban flax]

Reducing the range at which you can be heard when firing a gun by 20% when everything in the vicinity is trying to kill you can be a life-saving advantage

[lavish quail]

Their already gonna suffer alone

[signal beacon]

But they get to suffer more!

[lavish quail]

But also extremely less cool and more boring

[urban flax]

How so ?

[lavish quail]

I can see it from really, really long ranges

but like at least 50%

and i dont wanna suffer from hitting someone with my gun

[urban flax]

50% would be huge

[lavish quail]

Yes

But like if im trading firepower for quieter gun

i dont want my gun to be loud but not as loud as a rex

[urban flax]

Does silencers reduce firepower ?

[lavish quail]

normally yes

[urban flax]

Well if silencers reduce damage I can see the hearing distance being reduced by up to 50%

[light meadow]

Silencer reduce noise signature and reduce how far the sound carries, but you won't be silent.

Irl anyway.

[light meadow]

A lot of people use subsonic ammo to make them quietter. It greatly reduces the weapons preformance.

[barren zephyr]

@bleak atlas Time and effort

Baardo would also have to make plant and environment assets to match Region 2

where they could just simply overhaul Spiro, and make a Spiro v2

[limber hull]

im on the side that silenced gun that IS silenced = not fun gun

takes away the risk of firing the weapon in the first place

i'd prefer realistic silencers

[rare fractal]

Or we could just... not do silencers

[limber hull]

perhaps, however, people will want them so

personally, not a fan of silencers

[lament gate]

silencers would be cool to give humans a sneaky edge to fighting dinos but growing a stego for 5 hours just to get long ranged shot from god knows where would be very bad and make lots of people very mad

[limber hull]

just dont add long ranged weapons like that

i literally do not see any scenario where a sniper rifle would be necessary for human gameplay

shotguns, pistols, SMGs, AR, so on. Those are fine for guns, but fuck snipers

[last lily]

Let me wrestle small deinosuchus as a mercenary.

That's all I ask, for some good Florida man gameplay.

[lament gate]

dude a baby deino is like 6 feet long

[urban flax]

A florida man wouldn't be scared
Even by an adult one

[last lily]

Let me football tackle myself into a Utah and wrestle it. That's the real Mercenary experience.

[lament gate]

shit you right 35 foot gator stands no chance to a florida man with some dip and country music

[undone pewter]

Adding humans will be a make it or break it for this game. They will either pull it off properly... or not... No one will want to waste time growing a dino for 2-5h just to get one shotted 500m away while chilling in a plain. I hope guns will mostly focus on short / medium range and have punishing damage drop off when shooting too far. Gunshots need to be LOUD and munitions rare to make the average Call of Duty griefer think twice before putting down the peaceful stego living his life laying in the grass 800m away.

[urban flax]

The only gripe people seems to have with humans in this game is the possibility that they can oneshot apexes 500 meters aay... seems easy enough to avoid

Since a deino bite doesn't oneshot a stego to the head, we can safely assume that a bullet won't either

[lament gate]

i agree 100%

[lament gate]

hope not

[limber hull]

except gun freaks want their hyper-realistic guns

so they'll ask for their awesome snipers to just obliterate something if you shoot perfectly

people have already requested it

[lament gate]

maybe they should just not add people its like playing chivalry then getting shot whit a gun its kind of dumb

[limber hull]

i like the idea of humans

i dislike the idea of long ranged sniper weapons

[lament gate]

ya

[limber hull]

if its a shotgun or a pistol, that's more fair

[lament gate]

ya its going to be tuff to add i know humans are going to be weak as shit so you can kill them ez

[urban flax]

People also asked for deinosuchus 10 000 biteforce
And they were told to fuck off
So we can hope the same will happen to people asking for pistols oneshotting rexes

[limber hull]

i mean, deino's bite force seems pretty low considering the sizes of some other animals coming

but my issue is primarily with high calibre long ranged rifles

simply because it removes lots of counterplay and there will be a good level of situations where its a punishment for no fucking reason

[urban flax]

We don't necessarily need to have high-caliber long-ranged weapons in the game tho

[limber hull]

idk, i have a feeling they'll be added out of some weird necessity

like "its a shooter with lots of open space, we NEED snipers"

or simply because its the status quo to have a kind of sniper

[urban flax]

I guess it depends on how menacing they want humans to be for dinos

[limber hull]

i'd hope not much at all

lmao

dinos should be the menace

[tight ice]

Hey friends. I have a few questions about the new footstep, smell, and AI.

1. I have never seen a footstep since the update, is there a way to know when it's toggled on? Or is it on whenever you can see the compass?
2. Is the smell range longer in the current QA than standard evrima?
3. I seem to find random dead things a lot easier now, which is much more fun than constantly starving. Does anyone have any insight into what is producing these uneaten food sources? Does AI just die out, or is AI killing things and not eating them?

[urban flax]

It should be both ways imo
Everything is a menace to everything

[urban flax]

Ask in isle-discussion or mechanic-test-feedback

[limber hull]

ehhh, make humans a menace and they quickly become a frustration

it is literally like bringing a gun to a knife fight, but saying "oh, it's balanced because I don't have much ammo"

imo, it should be the humans who hide and evade with their plethora of tech that enables them to do so and dinosaurs that hunt

[urban flax]

That's why I think they should have powerful, but short-ranged weapons
If there's long range weapons, (which is okay in my opinion) they should have low damage

So gearing up as a human serves for defensive purposes

[limber hull]

especially since the mercs are arguably on the side of AE and thus they wouldn't be really encouraged to hurt their precious "assets"

more like a last resort

[lavish quail]

Lore moment

[limber hull]

tbf

im hoping that's the case

cause otherwise they're just a bunch of bozos on an island

for some fucking reason

[undone pewter]

You don't see the difference between being a gigantic slow 8 tons Deino and some jerk in a gilly suit 800m away with a .50 cal?... Even if it was gonna be a 2-3 shots to the head to kill...

It is in no way guaranteed that the FPS / Survival crowd will buy the game once humans are added, however there's the potential to alienate their player base completely if they appeal only to this new demographic. I personally have no interest in playing humans but I can see why if it's well done it could be a great addition to the game and expand the game to a whole new clientele.

Dont screw up the dinos in the process

[urban flax]

I'm talking damage and coherence-wise
A bite from a 8-ton gator is supposedly way more lethal than any bullet

Also as I said, more distance, less damage
So the ghillie suit 800 meters away would be quite unlikely, if even possible

Also there is no point in camouflaging if you make a hell lot of noise and if gunpowder can be smelled (which I really think it should)

[undone pewter]

I think it's more complex than this. I think large caliber should have strong stopping power at close range at least. Humans also need to be rewarded to survive for 2 hours scavenging good guns and large caliber ammunitions, if everytime some dumb raptor can come along and they are bullet sponge there's no interest on the human side either. I think they need to fine the very sweet point where humans are dangeriously lethal and dinos think twice before taking them on head on, but also ammunition and good gear is difficult to find so humans think twice before just griefing players and shooting gun non stop wasting ammunition and alerting all the dinos in the area.

I think a mix of scarcity, high close range damage and slow rate of fire would be a good approach.

[urban flax]

There needs to be other things than just making ammo scarceIt's like growth
Any nerd with enough dedication or a clan can get a shitton of ammo to waste on everything that moves if it's not limited in quantity in the world (and even if it is some could have it all for themselves)
That's why I think reducing bullet damage with distance travelled is the way to go.

[undone pewter]

that too

I hope it's full pvp loot to encourage humans to back stab each other and steal gear

[lavish quail]

Add some tranq darts that make less sound

[undone pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/salem-gif-5996444

[lavish quail]

And slow stuff down

[urban flax]

So if you're attacked by a raptor and manage to land a pistol bullet through its skull at point-blank range, it's back to character screen
But if you see one on the other side of a lake on top of a faraway mountain, you could take your best sniper rifle, shoot it ight between the eyes and it's not gonna die

[lavish quail]

And have like a shotgun that does high damage at Close ranges

[undone pewter]

That's a good idea, they could probably use something similar to the poison mechanic

like some blurry effect and reduced movement speed a bit

[urban flax]

Yes competitions between mercs should be encouraged in some way too
So that it's not dinos vs dinos vs the entire human population allied against them

[lavish quail]

Poor humans

[urban flax]

Balancing humans against nature is finicky
Even in reality humans are OP in most regards

[lavish quail]

Just give them a dumb lore reason not to kill dinos whatever and give them some closer ranged guns while making long ranged guns louder and scentable

[urban flax]

Cause you think people will cater to lore ?

[lavish quail]

Hence why they don’t get the choice

[urban flax]

My solution : bullet damage starting super high but reducing with distance, making guns be heard from as far as 1 calls, make them emit a scentable gunpowder cloud upon firing

So guns exist for self-defense, and not for hunting

[bleak atlas]

A sniper is fine. A sniper with silencer isnt

[stable marten]

Could make mercs completely un-aligned with each-other. You can form mercenary bands but you'll fight others over food/water/or important objectives

Same for tribals

[undone pewter]

👍

[undone pewter]

Maybe humans vs humans, it could be handled by making dinos not so vulnerable to long range shots, but I think early on until they get a build with humans that is somewhat balanced and fun they should stick to short / medium range action

Hope they add voice chat for humans

that dinos can also hear 😆

[undone pewter]

But then what would humans do? I agree that they should fear being eaten overall but I think dinos should think twice before taking on head on a human that looks somewhat geared

And I do think scarcity does encourage more hands off gameplay. If you have a double barrels 12 gauge shotgun and 2 slugs in the chambers, 1 in you pocket and you spent the last 40 mins to find those you will think twice before doing something stupid

[limber hull]

it really isnt fine to die instantly from long range. Silencer or not, the sound doesn't matter if you're at the end of the scope, you'll die regardless

Humans should have missions outside of hunting/killing

[lavish quail]

Yall know the tranq rifile from pce?

That would be a good long ranger weapon

[urban flax]

What's the point ?

[undone pewter]

I'm not sure about that. Maybe our definition of "missions" are different. I don't think there should be any sort of "Go fetch me this blablabla" type of

[limber hull]

if I've sunk a good few hours into a dino, if I'm going to die to something, I want to at least see it first before it kills me

[urban flax]

In pce you tranq dinos from a long ange so that your friends can come in and slaughter it afterwards

[undone pewter]

It will quickly become repetitive, I think human players will want to survive and scavenge mostly

[lavish quail]

Slow stuff down I guess

[limber hull]

If humans end up being "kill this, hunt that", I'll fucking despise them

[lavish quail]

Good weapons should be close ranged

[urban flax]

What's the point of slowing something very far away down ? Also it'd need to slow down very hard to be of any use

[undone pewter]

I just don't think there should be objectives. I think there should be stuff that you can do like putting a small base back in order by scavenging repair materials with your friends and then you can control the point and use it as a base

[lavish quail]

What’s the point of killing something far away?

[urban flax]

It's more useful than just slowing them down

[undone pewter]

but any sort of "kill 3 raptors, go fetch 6 apples" really look out of place in a game like Evrima

[lavish quail]

Maybe have it blurr their vision? 🤔

[urban flax]

Because most dinos in evrima move over 40 km/h
You'd need to slow them down by at least 50% for the tranqs to be of any use

[undone pewter]

If dudes with a gun can do it, they will do it

[lavish quail]

That’s bad

We like our 5h steg

[undone pewter]

Just look at a game like Rust, everything you need to know about how people behave in a hardcore free for all PvP game is there

[limber hull]

my thing is that mercs are clearly there for a REASON. Nothing about a sniper rifle screams "survival" btw, it screams "hunt"

A shotgun is a defensive weapon against threats too close for comfort

[undone pewter]

I don't want snipers, that was my first point lol

👍

[bleak atlas]

So u know the dmg numbers and all the other stats already?

[limber hull]

no

im just thinking realistically

its a sniper rifle

they are extremely high-calibre weapons

[lavish quail]

Yeah I shot a pretty low Calibar one once, recoil could take you eye smh

Also they’re loud loud

[limber hull]

true

however, i dont personally believe a loud sniper makes the sniper any more fair

yes, firing it puts you at risk, however, you mitigate a lot of that risk by being ranged

you can kill before your opponent knows your there and quickly retreat to safety before any other enemy can react

frankly, the only weakness i can give these styles of weapons in this style of game is, well, ammo

since the gun would be arguably one of the best in the game, all you could do to balance it is simply strip away how many times the user can one-tap an animal safely

[lavish quail]

Snipers bad yeah

[outer sphinx]

PoT quest system

[limber hull]

i think quests would only work on specifically humans

shit like gathering eggs for research

[outer sphinx]

imo humans, or mercs to be exact will get quests but not like in POT collect 200 acrobs, they will be more "story" oriented, or in other words more meaningfull, like other thna the inderect scavange for food weapons etc, some like achieve comunication with other bases or find some part for a specific thing etc

aka, quests influenced by the player

also i'd like if humans can get a map. an empty one, that they can develop the more they explore, a simple one

thats my 2 cents on human questing/exploration

[limber hull]

yea, repairing is good

[undone pewter]

There's no fun in this at all. There should be "objectives" that are no really marked as such

[lavish quail]

Observe Utah raptor behaviour with binoculars

[undone pewter]

like repariing a compound with an eletrified fence

repairing an abandonned jeep

[limber hull]

well that much is confirmed

[undone pewter]

that kind of stuff

Quests should be out of the equation completely, humans or not

[lavish quail]

My legs hurt so much rn

[outer sphinx]

quests is just a general term used for something in game thats you are meant to do, quests are needed and most likely will be, what i said in that comment are all quests, but i undurstand what you mean by that

[limber hull]

idk

personally, i think encouraging direct engagement with dinosaurs is fine

especially if you want to make certain weapons "harder to achieve"

[outer sphinx]

imo most people will carry a pistol on avg, with a lower chance for a shotgun or whatever full auto weapons they add, and even less for anything else

[undone pewter]

There could be some stuff like "Get a photo of a carnotosaurus" could be cool

or a blood sample

[limber hull]

blood samples, eggs and such would force playing

[undone pewter]

Yeah

[limber hull]

near dinos

[undone pewter]

I mean technically blood sample you could just go on an kill a dino

[limber hull]

i mean, sure

[outer sphinx]

they would have to be tied in to some form of research, lore smth, i like that idea, also gives a reason for tranq guns to exist

[undone pewter]

for it

[limber hull]

but you could also just prick the thing

and not go through the risks of shooting it

[outer sphinx]

maybe they can make it so that dead dino blood is less potent or smth so it needs to come from an alive one

[limber hull]

generally that is true. dead animals will often get quickly contaminated blood

since the heart can no longer pump the blood and it becomes stagnant/an opening is made to the blood

[outer sphinx]

also makes tranq guns have a role

other than more easily accesable self defense gun

[limber hull]

i'd make the longest range weapons tranqs tbh

[outer sphinx]

never said they have to be short range, most ways we tranq animals rn are long range

[limber hull]

sure, you can use this to walk up to your now sleeping animal and gun it in the head, but you've likely put yourself in a way more vulnerable position

[outer sphinx]

especially if its a pack dino, as all dinos have groups

well done, you tranqed that one raptor so now its easy to kill, but what about the other 4...

[azure sonnet]

@analog pagoda I believe that's called a swampland

Like the everglades

[analog pagoda]

well is there tall grass by the swap? last time I check there was none

like tall grass in the water

[azure sonnet]

Surprisingly there are swamps that has tall grass, usually swamps don't have grass bc the trees there cover a lot of area which causes most of regular plant life to die of, a swampland is basically what you just described

It's just a body of water without trees and just grass.

[analog pagoda]

yep

that would be cool if they added it

[azure sonnet]

Yeah it would, it be better if they add it as a weather feature like, when it rains some places fill with water making what you want.

[analog pagoda]

shhheeet, that would be sickk

put that in general-feedback

[azure sonnet]

Alright

I mean that or just have drought seasons, where the rivers dissapears and the places filled with water are the only source of water, which they can also dry if people drink too much in the same place causing to search for more water but idk just ideas

[limber hull]

if we make it that herbis can't run from what can kill it or can't fight what can kill it, we end up with fodder

[azure sonnet]

Also realistically, as this is a dino sim, it's not far fetched having carnivores fighting each other when preys are faster than you

[last lily]

Magy is the word you're looking for.

||I kid.||

[limber hull]

(also in real life, herbis can run from what can kill it or fight back)

because otherwise, they'd all be extinct

[azure sonnet]

Also yes you can kill stuff that is faster, it's called hiding and ambushing from your hiding spot.

[limber hull]

exactly

[azure sonnet]

Otherwise it would be dinorun sim 2021

(and I don't think 89 million years ago dinosaurs had infinite stamina and OP speed)

[outer sphinx]

utah literally was about as fast as a rex

[peak wedge]

Cut all carni stam except deino and pt in half then they have to ambush and cant chase things down as well

Unironically though cut stego stam in half but keep the stamina needed for attacks the same percentage, thing can run for ages but its stam needed for attacks is fine

[lavish quail]

You better hope that’s ironic

[last lily]

@lavish quail

[lavish quail]

You know what they say…

If it’s not war time, it can’t be a war crime

[signal beacon]

Holy. Shit. Is this guy seriously asking for herbis to be the DEFINITION of unviable!?

[last lily]

Allos when Magy comes out

[last lily]

Sure looks like it. Balance feedback's been having that problem for awhile now.

[lavish quail]

Magy should do fracture damage to allos

[limber hull]

i mean frankly, magy might need fracture lmao

[last lily]

Magy should 1 shot Allo with its plasma breath

[limber hull]

if it doesn't have speed or raw damage, it needs SOMETHING

besides tasting like dogshit

[signal beacon]

I mean the armor plates look like they'd hurt

[outer sphinx]

shoulder bash

[limber hull]

and then that begs the question

what can cera do that allo can't that gives it the upper hand against a magy

[outer sphinx]

it can eat it looks like

[limber hull]

personally, not a magy hater, but i do get why people are concerned

how the fuck do you balance out the magy, which is meant to fight the slower smaller brawler carnivore, while keeping it able to survive the bigger endurance hunter that is allo

[signal beacon]

@abstract juniper what. The. Fuck?.

Please say you're joking

[manic flint]

@abstract juniper Oh No the herbivores can fight back and are controlled by players so I can't get free food waaahh

Wtf why
Why make herbivores by definition unviable that is one of the stupidest things I've heard on here, and there are a lot of stupid suggestions...

[signal beacon]

You see, clearly you lack the iq necessary to understand his next level balance choices

[manic flint]

Trueeeee

[last lily]

Clearly a skill issue.

[urban flax]

The Virgin "Nerf all Herbis" Fan
#general-feedback message
VS
The Chad "Nerf all Carnis" Enjoyer
#general-feedback message

[lavish quail]

"Ive depicted my self as the chad and you as the soy jack"

[urban flax]

That's basically what everyone doing a chad meme does

[barren zephyr]

@paper oriole read general

[lavish quail]

doesnt punch do that?

[jovial hazel]

Almost downvoted because of this comment, but the suggestion makes sense.

[paper oriole]

Holy shit

Saving that one for the archives

[worn pumice]

which ones

nvm i see it

[signal beacon]

Remember this kind of person makes up an alarming percentage of the isle's playerbase

[raven lark]

servers down qa?

[paper oriole]

Yeah its pretty sad

[hybrid matrix]

mild diarrhea

[paper oriole]

Mild diarrhea was unironically a less disgusting suggestion than random's

[versed olive]

???

[hybrid matrix]

No, equally gross but in different ways

[paper oriole]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/871724535936872499/871725755632091156/IMG_7496.jpg

[hybrid matrix]

"A mild diarrhea"

[paper oriole]

The “a” somehow makes it all the more hilarious honestly

[hybrid matrix]

It implies that possibly, eventually, you could get multiple mild diarrheas

[worn pumice]

wasnt there a gay nesting suggestion

[paper oriole]

Yeah i might have that one saved tio

[worn pumice]

found it

[paper oriole]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/871724535936872499/871726988786810911/IMG_6871.jpg

[worn pumice]

lol

that one is being saved

[paper oriole]

The isle feedback has a beautiful cursed history

[hybrid matrix]

Don't make every carnivore be able to run from it cannot fight and fight from what it cannot run from, this causes herbivores to kill other herbivores

I'm tempted to put this in general as a reply to random

[hybrid matrix]

"Pls"

[paper oriole]

This causes there to be too many carnivores

Lmao yeah somebody actually wanted that

[hybrid matrix]

2 ppl

[paper oriole]

I think he upvoted himself i dont remember

[hybrid matrix]

Srsly tho I feel like I wanna suggest something
Any ways to die that I missed?

[paper oriole]

Lmao i know the second person who upvoted him theyre on my friends llist wtf

[hybrid matrix]

I don't think I did one for venom

[worn pumice]

hes voted pls

[paper oriole]

We got 3 lovely venoms to die to soon

[limber hull]

did this guy just say two males or two females should be able to start a nest because of gay rights

[worn pumice]

Essentially yea lol

[analog pagoda]

omg

[lavish quail]

@stark valve I fucking agree they should add a FUCKING suicide button you get stuck way to many fucking times in this game

[limber hull]

I fucking also fucking agree they should add a FUCKING suicide button you get fucking stuck way to many fucking times in this fucking game

[split wasp]

Yeah I agree very fucking much with this fucking statement

[valid zephyr]

Not a fan of something as small as microraptor being playable. They make compys look like rexes

At 1kg, they would literally have 1hp

and no other playable apart from maybe compy can even interact with them. half the roster probrably can't physically see them

[limber hull]

i like the idea of a microraptor, but its really too small to be viable in any extent

they're smaller than extra-smalls

[valid zephyr]

I like the idea of a climbing glider. Which is why i've been wanting either gliding velo, or deinonychus added.

[limber hull]

yea, exactly

[valid zephyr]

A glider would definitely add something to the game. Slouping did this one.

[urban flax]

People often suggest balaur or another small gliding raptor, I don't remember its name

Changyuraptor

[limber hull]

also, i think there needs to be more than just one pure arboreal

hypsi i guess also counts as an arboreal

[urban flax]

Balaur is 2 meters long
Seems about the right size for an extra small

[valid zephyr]

Changyuraptor fits better than micro and is at least 1kg heavier than compy.

[urban flax]

Changyuraptor is 1,5 meter (and much more elongated in build than balaur)

So I'd say if there was a dino to add, balaur would be the better choice over changyuraptor (and micro)

[valid zephyr]

nychus would be my ideal pick, but i can't see any more dinos being added.

velo is my second pick as a glider but would need a lot more fictionalising than nychus.

[urban flax]

We know velo had wings
We know herrera wasn't a climber
We know stego couldn't gallop
So I guess it'd be fine to make velo into a glider

And it has the advantage over deinonychus to be already in the planned roster for the game

[dim bone]

At that point, could you just size up microraptor?

[limber hull]

well i mean

it wouldn't be a MICRORAPTOR then

[valid zephyr]

Yeah exaggerating the length of velos wings slightly is way less of a change than turning beip into a penguin, or turning spino into a rex, or turning anky into a runner.

[limber hull]

name implies small

[valid zephyr]

Macroraptor?

[dim bone]

you know now that you say it, it makes sense,

Archaeopteryx?

[urban flax]

What would be the point on adding yet another playable, upsizing it to the point it's no longer the same animal, just to give it a mechanic that would fit another animal as well ?

Archaeopteryx is even worse

It's smaller than microraptor

[dim bone]

I suppose, I guess it’s just strange thinking of velo as a glider, but that’s probably all the dino media influence

[urban flax]

People think velo was a 2-meter tall scaly killing machine and that needs to change

Apart from the fact it was a killing machine
Big-ass scythe claws remain big-ass scythe claws, even if the animal is smaller and more fluffy than what people imagine

[dim bone]

Yeah!

[limber hull]

its a tiny little killing machine

velo should be more of a jack of all trades

climbing, gliding, burrow invading, pouncing

[urban flax]

pakc-hunting but able to go solo as well

Oh and I think Velo should be able to straight-out burrow, not just invade other people's burrows

[limber hull]

the smaller the creature, the more diverse the mechanics imho

makes people wanna pick lil man over big beast

[outer sphinx]

Damn you JP!, and even thne they said it was a deynonichus since back then it was believed to be utah but named it velo, but still..

[outer sphinx]

well i think both troo and velo will be burrow invaders, so ig that would make sense to diferentitate them

[urban flax]

If mechanics are done right, anything small enough will be a burrow invader

[outer sphinx]

prob but since both troo and velo at least in Th Isle persay are dromeosaurs velo doesnt have smth for be dif, troo has venom so makes sense if velo could make burrows, or steal ones of dinos it kills even

[limber hull]

i dont think velo should be a burrower personally

[outer sphinx]

goes with the name, thief

[limber hull]

seems like something that'd leap around trees more than dig in the ground

[outer sphinx]

velo could be cool if it can steal nests if it kils the previous dino, goes with the thief moniker

[urban flax]

both

Velo probably burrowed irl

[limber hull]

honestly

could be fun

[outer sphinx]

i'd be happy if he can just steal them too honestly

[valid zephyr]

gliding or burrowing for velo?

why not both?

[urban flax]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[outer sphinx]

if he's not the best in either thats good

[valid zephyr]

But yeah velo isn't a scaly giant murderlizard.

All iy would need is to exaggerate the arm length to be more deinonychus proportions to be a more convincing glider.

which compared to beip is barely anything

[outer sphinx]

i mean, with how much other dinos have been "mutilated" its not imposible to believe this would happen

[valid zephyr]

main issue i see is lots of people want to keep scaly small JP velo.

despite utah already being jp velo clone

[outer sphinx]

utah, troo, compy gali

they fucked 2 of the 4 confirmed dromeosaurs, hope at least velo gets some love

[valid zephyr]

only three dromaeosaurs.

velo, austro, and utah

[urban flax]

If velo is a scaly monstrosity I will cry

Austro looks fine in its most recent concept art
It's proportions have been fixed

[valid zephyr]

inb4 it's glider, but scaled

it has flying frog feet and hands

[urban flax]

oof

[outer sphinx]

cease

[worn pumice]

I still die everytime I see anky’s dent

[outer sphinx]

dent?

[gritty siren]

devs suck a**. game has potential but the devs are skipping steps and its ruining the game. the roadmap isnt even being considered order of thier plans. its more like an appitizer of several food items and the devs just pick what they want out of context or order. its a joke and they need to read the community room and work on whats promised in order and communicate with us and actually listen to our feedback. why the f*** do we want humans without the ability to fight back by christmas?????????????????? fix your ai, give us more ponds/lakes/swamps AROUND the map so all 100 ppl in the server arent just at center. make the damn game lively. also give more in the nutrience per bite. i hate having to choose only one nutrient as adult because both nutrient and hunger fill and nearly deplete at the same time. its impossible to fill all 3 up over time.

[urban flax]

ok

[outer sphinx]

why do you need humans to be able to fight rn

[gritty siren]

its a survival game and humands cant fight back. they stated they want humans in by chrismas but they wont have guns at all

[urban flax]

You don't know

They said they "might not have an attack"
That doesn't mean they won't have guns

[gritty siren]

you clearly dont follow what devs have personally stated to the community in q/a

[outer sphinx]

and? better maske the base of the category now so they have smth to build upon later, plus whats so bad about free food?

also, we dont know what they have been working on in secret

[urban flax]

Also, we don't necessarily need to have guns at launch
What's important is for humans to be in there as soon as possible so they can continue building their game around them instead of adding them last and having them break everything

[outer sphinx]

well... i dont think you make a gun before you make the punch...

[urban flax]

A lot of FPS have guns but no punching

[outer sphinx]

fair...

[gritty siren]

theres alot thats broken and they are cherry picking fixes. they are multitasking fixes and thats not the most efficient way to improve the game and a manner of time we all would appreciate

[urban flax]

Everybody asks for everything to be fixed at the same time
This community gets what they deserve

[gritty siren]

this community deserve better.

[outer sphinx]

they want to fix the bugs as much as everyone else but what happens is they get bugs on top of bugs so...

[worn pumice]

The dent on the back of its body

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664914260648001555/897980591251808266/Anky_v_Acro_color_2021_copy.png

[lavish quail]

Ok boomer

[outer sphinx]

this part?

[lavish quail]

I like it. It has character

[worn pumice]

Ye

Just looks ugly

[outer sphinx]

its growing on me but still not much tho, there were better dinos they could've given rhino skin to

[lavish quail]

Maybe if it was less prominent

[worn pumice]

Anky should’ve remained more armored with bony plates instead of rhino armor

But as long as it plays well that’s rly all I care about

[outer sphinx]

ngl i liked the idea of the old design more

[lavish quail]

I really like it tho

[outer sphinx]

not the design but the direction of the design

[lavish quail]

God bless

[limber hull]

pls no legacy anky

[worn pumice]

Austro I couldn’t forgive tho

[outer sphinx]

we dont see akys or other in the genus with that smooth sheet and osteoderms, its usually that JP bony look

[lavish quail]

God unbless

[outer sphinx]

would you like the JW anky spinoff?

[worn pumice]

Nah fr the first Austro concept was scary

[lavish quail]

Jw had a Anky??

[worn pumice]

Head was the same size as the body

Yea it had an anky

I think the anky fought the Irex

[outer sphinx]

ye, i think there is where it was first seen

[limber hull]

anky has actual options to become an interesting animal now that bonebreak is a thing of the past and we're actually getting unique and diverse fracture mechanics

[outer sphinx]

oh that, i meant the design

[worn pumice]

Anky should be basically a rock in all seriousness

[lavish quail]

I like ark anky tbh

[outer sphinx]

here

[worn pumice]

Bone crushing Dino’s would be the ones to hunt anky such as Rex

[limber hull]

i dont like anything ark does but i just dont like ark

[lavish quail]

They made it really cool

[worn pumice]

Ark designs r just spiky Dino’s

[outer sphinx]

its a bit over the top but its quite nice, i swear JP actually tried to make their dinos good only for herbis

[worn pumice]

Personally my favorite anky design is from saurian

[lavish quail]

Jp raptors were sick thooo

Terrifying

Really added to the perfect movie

[outer sphinx]

ehh other than the whole timeframe shit and that naming more so, i just despise the wrists on them, i just dont know why they made them like that

[lavish quail]

To look cool

[outer sphinx]

ehh...

[worn pumice]

Wonder when the next patch is gonna come in

[lavish quail]

You can only hate them if you know what the normal ones look like

[outer sphinx]

JP

actual

[worn pumice]

Wait why r u posting the isle Utah

[outer sphinx]

[lavish quail]

Very cool much love

[worn pumice]

Wow it’s actually funny how it’s literally the same Dino model lol

[lavish quail]

Less cool don’t love

[outer sphinx]

yep, when i first booted evrima and heard the f call i was so dumbfounded lmao

[worn pumice]

Lol

I was so weirded out when they changed the 1 call to what we have had now

Like how they didn’t get a copyright strike or something

[outer sphinx]

imo utah model in legacy was perfect for a nonfeathered dromeosaur

[worn pumice]

I think the old Utah had something going for it

If they worked off that design it would be nice

[outer sphinx]

but now we got JP raptor but with fixed wrists so thats 1 good thing

[worn pumice]

Image reminded me of how pounce doesn’t work

[outer sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-happy-but-sad-face-gif-19422780

[worn pumice]

Heard ppl who fell through the ground lol

[outer sphinx]

yikes

[worn pumice]

Cuz the deino is low to the ground so it’s already glitchy when u pounce it but sometimes u’ll clip thru the ground

[outer sphinx]

why pounce a croc... oh yea... that...

[worn pumice]

Oh yea speaking of croc the weight on that thing is insane

[outer sphinx]

diets...

[worn pumice]

Lol

How bad r the diets for deino

Haven’t gotten past 50%

[outer sphinx]

no i meant deino is on utahs diet afaik

[worn pumice]

Oh fr

Lmao

[outer sphinx]

yep, and a 45min croc can pick one up

an adult utah i mean

[manic sun]

@tulip flame great idea but that defenitely should NOT be important for now

[tulip flame]

Yeah not for now, but a reflection for the next years

[manic sun]

[paper oriole]

Virgin microraptor vs Chad changyuraptor

[abstract juniper]

im not joking what i mean is that every herbivore has to have that one carnivore where it has an equal fight against it. if every herbivore can run from what it cannot fight and fight from what it cannot run from, how are solo carnivores supposed to kill herbivores?

[urban flax]

Be smart

[lavish quail]

Use your brain

[abstract juniper]

make an arguement

[lavish quail]

I’m a Utah; I wanna eat this hypsi. Ok I’ll chase it in the open oh no it’s too fast

[urban flax]

How do carnivores catch prey irl ? Ambush, set up traps, attack when the prey is not suspecting...

[hoary dawn]

You have to use your brain to be good at a videogame?????

[lavish quail]

Ok I’m a Utah again I’m hiding in a bush, i see a hypsi i ambush it. Oh yeah I got food now

[abstract juniper]

idc every herbivore cant be that good

[lavish quail]

Oh I’m a carno I see a teno

I attack teno in the open

[outer sphinx]

[lavish quail]

Teno wins so sad

I’m a carno i see a teno

I ambush and get first hits and cc

Oh yay I got food

Your arguments stupid

[hoary dawn]

Not every herbivore has to be a powerhouse or a speed demon, but all of them should have ways of surviving if you play right

[lavish quail]

Let me just be eaten by this carnivore because I suck I guess

[peak wedge]

Having an equal fight is the definition of being able to fight what you cant run from

[lavish quail]

Hypsi with trees, pachy with fractures and running

Bunch of examples

Bad argument sir random

POV: the legacy Rex main plays evrima

[peak wedge]

Yeah, generally those fall into either combat or running away though, so generally thats why it gets combined into running from what you cant fight and fighting what you cant run from

[lavish quail]

Makes sense that things can do that tho

[peak wedge]

Hypsis spit is a ability for running away, dryos dodge is a ability for running away, pachies is for combat and running, tenos is for combat

[lavish quail]

I lived for millions of years evolving so I can survive

[outer sphinx]

the isle balance goes as simple as what you cant fight you can evade

if you fail to see that then idk tf to say to you

[lavish quail]

@abstract juniper

Read your lecture

And possibly the discord TOS cause you seem hella dumb for someone over 13

[meager tiger]

@abstract juniper Doesn't evolution naturally lead to this though? How does it make any sense a species cannot run or fight it's competetion...it would die if excticion

[valid zephyr]

irl carnivores also go for the old, sick, and injured.

[worn pumice]

the whole goal of all predators is outsmarting their prey

preds tend to be smarter while the physical advantage usually belongs to the herbivores whether it being faster more agile etc etc

[modest wind]

I really hope that at some point you can tell how heathy other Dino’s are so carnis can pick weaker prey

But less heathy prey gives less nutrients so larger carnis will want to go for heathy prey

[urban flax]

Curently you can see if an animal is starving, and also if it's low on health or blood
Maybe you can also see if it has a bad diet, but idk

Also it wouldn't make much sense balance-wise if less healthy prey gives less nutrients

[worn pumice]

I mean rn u can tbh

It’s not super intuitive but u can see when a Dino is starving

Or when it has low blood or is hurt

[weak dune]

Herbivores aren't there just to be EZ Meals for carni players. Carnivores already have it stupid easy most of the time. The only one I'd say is the exception right now is Utah by virtue of its most important mechs being literally broken, not by design

[manic sun]

Herbivores: Made to survive and thrive
Carnivores: Made to kill and ofc also survive

Carnivores literally only exist so that herbivores genomes don´t become poop (heard that somewhere might be wrong), strongest survives that kind of thing I guess, but that´s already too much realism for a game.

[weak dune]

I mean if we were really going for full realism, herbivores would also eat meat and sometimes kill small animals for the purpose of having a snack lol

And carnivores would have some fruits and plants in their diet

Like don't get me wrong, I love my realism and immersion but there is in fact a point when you need to decide how much realism is too much

[barren zephyr]

@barren zephyr please do not use David Peters as a source, he is utterly full of shit.

He uses Photoshop to pluck out details which he believes to be soft tissue (when in reality it's just changes in the colour of rock or photographic errors).

Not to mention he makes stuff up and goes against scientific convention (e.g. claiming Pterosaurs are not Archosaurs or claiming that Muskellunge are a kind of catfish, which they are not)

[barren zephyr]

Thank you for informing me. ❤️ I will try to remember, have removed the link and source. 🙂

[stark valve]

does anyone else have the game running like absolute dogshit even with good specs but with legacy and other games its fine, the isle takes up like 57 cpu

[fleet cave]

because ur pc bad

[manic sun]

first of all how do u know that, second I also have to agree that TI especially evrima always runs with maximum 50 fps on my pc allthough I have a good one

[fleet cave]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-shush-shh-ok-bird-gif-17679708

[manic sun]

?

solid argument I guess

[urban flax]

@fleet cave What's your latest feedback about ?