general-feedback-discussion

[meager tiger]

Thats the point

A super fictnioal monster spino

[paper oriole]

Like at least the spino is just boring as fuck

[meager tiger]

but we can't get a somewhat cool look ankylsaurus

[paper oriole]

Anky is worse than boring

[meager tiger]

Bro anky can be cool

[paper oriole]

Anky is baffling

[meager tiger]

It's a walking tank

[paper oriole]

I mean the model

[meager tiger]

Oh

[paper oriole]

The spino model is boring as fuck, the anky model is… a crime against paleoart

[hasty dagger]

[paper oriole]

Like as a totally fictional animal inspired by anky that doesnt share the name, sure its cool, but as an anky it's a hard no

[meager tiger]

there we go

Spikes and a way better tail

[paper oriole]

Yeah thats an anky

[meager tiger]

I swear they better make elder Anky the first Elder

[hasty dagger]

it’s Zuul but whatever

[meager tiger]

Why do people like skinny duck turtle ankies?

It's so weak looking

Do people not understand this thing had to be even more powerful then a stego

Herbivores needed to be like 2x stronger in the creaticious

[last lily]

Because some people are willing to just accept garbage sadly...

[paper oriole]

Jealous of the chonkers ankies from other games tbh

[last lily]

Those ankys look GREAT... Wish we had those ankies coming in.

[meager tiger]

I'd rather have a fat anky lol

Skinny anky < fat anky < Spiky Anky

[paper oriole]

Pangea and saurian are both much smaller but both have better anky model designs than the isle's aintkylosaurus

How does minmi look good but they just go full wack on anky itself

[strange wave]

@hasty dagger what could i improve on it?

[meager tiger]

You know you failed when a single dev of a silly animal fighting game has better anky model than a multi dev team rich does worse. And has somehow tricked over like 200 people into accpeting garbage

[paper oriole]

Is that fat whipper vs ed the badass

Man its a shame i cant even call isle anky fat whipper because he's anorexic or smth

[meager tiger]

Yes but the game doesnt have realsitic weight so the t-rex just flings him across the map

[paper oriole]

Lmao amazing

Isle rex should do this

Just yeet people

[stark dust]

Dude arbs is the better isle

[meager tiger]

Yes

[meager tiger]

Arbs has better fighting moves than the isle lol

[stark dust]

Legacy anky is better

[meager tiger]

I enjoy watching arbs animals fight more than dinos fight in the isle

[stark dust]

Also evirma pachy calls is a disappointment

I actually have arbs and backed it before it came out

It’s a pretty good game actually a good time killer

[meager tiger]

I pirated it first to get a taste. Then I bought it because it's a good game

[stark dust]

Fat whipper

[paper oriole]

The man, the myth, the legend. Fat whipper

[meager tiger]

I was doing some fantasy balacning of resizing big monkey to fight 1 carno because I would love a mod or dlc where I can be a giant gorilla

[gritty helm]

I just don't see the devs scrapping the design and redoing anky even if they could definitely afford to

same deal with spino

[meager tiger]

is that papa from that dinositcom

[stark dust]

I swear to god if I get raided with down votes if I suggested to remodel anky

[meager tiger]

hes a construction worker?

I'll make 50 accounts to upvote lol

sadly discord dirtbags require a fucking phonenumber to make a account

[paper oriole]

They should spend the money to remodel anky instead of finishing magy

[stark dust]

[meager tiger]

Anky > 10 Magys

[paper oriole]

Two birds one stone

[stark dust]

The isle devs deserve a bonk in the face

[meager tiger]

they deserve a little more than a bonk lol

[last lily]

Anky tail club thwack shall be the punishment

[meager tiger]

there we go

[stark dust]

Even minmi looks more naturalistic

[paper oriole]

Fat whipper will avenge the isle anky for its desecration

[gritty helm]

just do it and find out

[stark dust]

Honestly…jp anky looks pretty badass

[meager tiger]

someone make a mod for a better anky

[stark dust]

Certainly better the what we have

[paper oriole]

I hate his bodyplan but i do like the spikes

[stark dust]

Someone raid the devs house and demand them to remodel anky

[meager tiger]

I want 2 things so far. Mod for anky and mod for gorrila

[stark dust]

They really do hate anky after all……

The better carno

[meager tiger]

Is that real

A meat eating early saurpod?

[paper oriole]

I want trike to get a remodel too but after anky im afraid wed get something like

[stark dust]

Trike Got a confirmed modal

It’s gonna be like legacy but with pointier and longer horns

[paper oriole]

Legacy trikes bodyplan is gross

It looks like its overweight rather than being built to be that fat

Idk how to explain it, looks like one of those morbidly obese labrodors

A shame they dont plant to fix it apparently

[meager tiger]

The isle trikes remind me of giant toads

Big fat ass

[stark dust]

I am fine with it and I really like the trike head

[paper oriole]

Its side profile is not powerful or intimidating looking at all

[stark dust]

I mean the isle’s trike is supposed to be a slow bleeding tank

[paper oriole]

It looks tired

[meager tiger]

Aren't trikes supposed to run and ram? Like pachy was supposed to do...?

[mighty tendon]

I think they used a skeletal drawing from scott hartman for references same as the old spoon model

[meager tiger]

I'm kinda mad how the pachy we got is we have to stand still to headbutt...?

[hasty dagger]

Your suggestion is fine I’d just prefer something else, for the people who share your thinking and opinions on what direction the game should take regarding skins, I think the idea is great but it’s just not for me

[meager tiger]

like why can't I just run and charge with my head down like a fucking mad goat

[stark dust]

They better not change its calls it’s calls in legacy was badass

[meager tiger]

not this stupid "Square up bitch"

like a stupid kangraoo

[strange wave]

what do you want from the skin system
per say, this one i feel is pretty balanced, rather than leaning too hard one side or the other

[meager tiger]

But nooo. Herbivores still gotta stay stupid. Only carnivores get cool attacks and designs

[strange wave]

dude
pachy is the single most broken thing in the world at this point
its headbutt is more complex than utahs pounce or deinos lunge

[meager tiger]

you square up like a stupid kangroo

I want to run and charge around like a goat or bull

[stark dust]

herbis are underrated we can all admit that

[meager tiger]

not stand still and face smash someone

Face smash should be for a different animal

[strange wave]

you can run and charge tho

[meager tiger]

How?

[stark dust]

Make utah look stupid and make it look like a fatass that can barely move while they just hang out in rocks and talk about how good shit they are

[strange wave]

by running

and pressing or holding right click

[meager tiger]

how do I stick my head down

[strange wave]

revolutionary concept

[meager tiger]

and hurt people by hit and runs

[mighty tendon]

If you look at any mammals with horns they kind of do the same as pachy

[strange wave]

you arent a herbivore carno
stop trying to be one
play like pachy, become pachy

[mighty tendon]

Standing up and hitting i mean

[stark dust]

they really shouldnt add magy or any other small sauropods in the first place

[hasty dagger]

I’m a minority in this I’d very much advocate for even BoB levels of customization (color wise), if this was a perfect world and idiots making cheese skins wouldn’t happen. I enjoy my customization and I like brightly colored and flashy dinosaurs, now that I think about it I’ll give yourself a check because what I’m hoping for probably has 0 chance and yours is a nice compromise.

[honest sparrow]

so just run and hold right mouse?

[strange wave]

i see
i get this

[meager tiger]

...wat? Have you seen any artwork or documentaries on a pachy? They littarally run with head downwards like deer and elk do and charge into eachother. They don't box like fucking kangaroos. Are you stupid

[strange wave]

yes
you can go into your charging headbutt state while running
and it increases your damage and fracture if your moving fast

[meager tiger]

They are like goats

[strange wave]

are you?

because deer and elk do not do that

at all

[stark dust]

bary really should replace deino in update 3 because godammit deinos ruined the meta

[meager tiger]

Fine

[honest sparrow]

deer run and crash down

[meager tiger]

Bison

[strange wave]

and pachy doesnt box, it headbutts things like goats, except it can run full force while charging

[meager tiger]

...

[stark dust]

speaking of deer why is it in a fucking tropical island with dinosaurs infact why are mammal ai are in the isle

[meager tiger]

thats what I asked how do I do that

[mighty tendon]

Irl pachy never did this either so...

[strange wave]

hold right click
that rearing thing, thats you charging your headbutt

your charged or uncharged + your speed influences the amount of fractures and damage you do
you arent a bull

[hasty dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/head-butt-goat-funny-animals-gif-13974992

Pachy^

[stark dust]

https://tenor.com/view/nostalgia-critic-doug-walker-diesel-nation-funny-laughing-gif-17346062

lol in all seriousness thats kinda funny

[meager tiger]

Stupid dino scientists ruining my dreams

Feather trex, anti bull pachy

whats next? Bronto ate bugs?

[hasty dagger]

still crossing my fingers for a feather Rex alt skin

[fallen cargo]

feathered Rex would be sick tbh

[worldly igloo]

Didn't they find out Rex didn't have feathers tho? And if it did it didn't have a lot at all? Or is all of that stuff still up for debate

[hasty dagger]

Most likely had no feathers, and an elephantine-esque covering if it did. That said, I couldn’t care less, fuck science, this is a video game where there are 9 foot tall Orc humanoids beating JP raptors to death

[hoary dawn]

feathered rex is cursed

[hasty dagger]

*beautiful

[hoary dawn]

cursed

[hasty dagger]

I will bring my propaganda folder

[barren zephyr]

feathered rex overheats and has a stroke

[hasty dagger]

@signal beacon on the contrary to your suggestion, I feel the Giganotosaurus should be the one to shift to a new niche

[barren zephyr]

holy shit

i never heard of anything like this before

[paper oriole]

Wasn’t acro's exaggerated legacy size an accident

Same thing happened to herrera iirc

[barren zephyr]

Yeah

I'm guessing they're just rolling with it

[paper oriole]

Also that anky suggestion just makes me think of the Hank Hill small ass pic idk why lol

[signal beacon]

wait so are you saying that acro shouldnt be in the hunting apexes niche or just saying that giga probs wont just be stronger acro?

[limber hull]

Giga will likely be a stronger acro tbh, since giga is significantly larger than acro iirc

[hasty dagger]

(I am trolling)

[limber hull]

Like giga is like, over 2 tons above acro lmao

[paper oriole]

Gigashark

[signal beacon]

[paper oriole]

Also on a serious note legacy endurance giga was cancer and shouldn’t come back

[signal beacon]

the bane of paras

[paper oriole]

The bane of paras and almost any other mid tier

Also could beat camara and trike effortlessly 1v1

[signal beacon]

yea giga was just really fucking big dilo

[paper oriole]

Its amazing that people thought rex was op and giga was struggling

[limber hull]

The apex trio (imo) should be set up as
Rex is primarily ambush with the ability to brawl
Giga is primarily endurance with the ability to ambush
Spino is primarily brawler with the ability for endurance

Basically, each one should have a niche they're good at, one they're okay at, and one they're shit at.

[paper oriole]

Endurance apexes are a balance nightmare

[hasty dagger]

Endurance Rex is deth

[paper oriole]

Endurance giga with ability to ambush?

[signal beacon]

It was mainly situational, giga had no problem avoiding rex but some people were salty that somone played rex right and ambushed them

[limber hull]

not like giga gonna be a brawler lmao

[paper oriole]

Fuck mid tiers again ig lol

Giga doesnt need to be a brawler to destroy mid tiers by being an endurance hunter AND ambusher

[barren zephyr]

Lmao
Endurance Apexes should never come back
They're too tricky to balance

[paper oriole]

Definitely

[signal beacon]

Remove apexes

[barren zephyr]

Especially since Giga is a bleeder
Rip Stego

[paper oriole]

Giga and rex will probably both prefer slow large targets anyway

Endurance apexes are cancer for the mid tier roster

Imagine a giga sees a magy and its still an endurance pred

Easiest kfs ever

[limber hull]

lmao

[barren zephyr]

Magy would've been slaughtered in legacy

[paper oriole]

Tho tbh the magy would deserve it for picking magy to begin with

[limber hull]

my issue is that idk what the fuck giga is if not endurance. We have so much evidence pointing to the fact that it probably hunted using speed and endurance

[paper oriole]

Thats irl

[limber hull]

like seriously what the fuck is it

[paper oriole]

Rex was also disgusting op irl

[barren zephyr]

It's body build was more agile compared to Rex

[cyan flame]

Endurance rex, ambush giga. Shove spino into rivers and be done with it. :p

[limber hull]

Endurance rex seems

Weird.

[paper oriole]

Rex was probably endurance irl but he was broken op irl

[barren zephyr]

But idk, it needs to be different from Rex
That's the devs fault for bringing two dominant terrestrial apex theropods in one roster
It's like getting a Tiger and Lion together in an ecosystem

[cyan flame]

True. But between the two, I imagine endurance rex is easier to escape from than giga, who seems to be faster in general. Unless they change around from legacy, but rex has been endurance back in the day, compared to giga.

[paper oriole]

Bone break works for an ambusher i dont think it needs to be endurance

[signal beacon]

the problem is that almost none of these dinosaurs lived together so of course its hard to balance

[cyan flame]

Well, we don't know if we get ambush as a mechanic back

[paper oriole]

If they can make an endurance giga that doesnt fuck over mid tiers and low stam smalls then go for it

[cyan flame]

So there's nothing saying rex has to be able to rush down things

[limber hull]

I think that Rex having a fucking bone-crushing death bite makes it not really need to endure. Once it lands that bite, the prey is either dead or pretty injured.

[gritty helm]

lol
lmao

[barren zephyr]

The issue is that some are too similar in hunting style, like Acro, Giga, Rex
All competing in the same field

[paper oriole]

Acro is a tier below the other two

[limber hull]

Acro is much smaller than giga/rex

[manic flint]

Rex is an ambusher
Giga and rex are both sauropod killers but one is quite a bit smaller

[barren zephyr]

Even if we humored Endurance Giga, what should it reasonably not fuck over with using endurance practice, and how would you go about it?

[paper oriole]

Giga is a less durable bleeder that makes him more suited for sauropods who are hard to fracture, rex is better against armored enemies in an actual brawl. Its enough difference imo

[manic flint]

Yea

[barren zephyr]

If the mid tier roster can escape, then it's not really an endurance predator, and if they can't
Then it's just legacy Giga all over again

[cyan flame]

And that would make giga being the speedy one make more sense. Rush in to get bites on the sauropods.

[manic flint]

^^

[paper oriole]

Yeah but ambushing also suits a heavy fracture dealer too

[limber hull]

Giga should def be one of the faster apexes

[paper oriole]

Ambush and disable before you waste your stam

[barren zephyr]

But... Acro kinda is the speedy one...
What will it do against Giga..?

[cyan flame]

It does, but at the same time, it doesn't quite need it, since the things a rex fight are even slower most of the time.

[limber hull]

Acro and giga are completely different size tiers

[manic flint]

Acro will not be competing with giga

[paper oriole]

How are they gonna make fatcro speedy without it looking utterly comical

[limber hull]

Spino should be slow as fuck and big as fuck, not really suited for the whole ambush thing

[cyan flame]

I want to see acro be really good at resistance/CC, just look at how fat it is :p

[signal beacon]

Oh i forgot he was fat...

[barren zephyr]

I mean, how will Acro escape then? It sure as hell ain't brawling a Giga

[cyan flame]

Spino ultimate corpse bully, just slaps things away if they try anything :p

[limber hull]

Yea 100%. Should be territorial as all hell

[barren zephyr]

This is the issue with apex balance. It's fucking difficult. Especially when they're similar

[cyan flame]

Massive defence and great ability to just keep things away with those slaps, it sits there and you're not moving it. Can make friends with ceratos maybe ^^

[manic flint]

Run

[paper oriole]

Rex and giga arent very similar, and acro is on tier with sucho rather than the other three true apexes

[barren zephyr]

Acro is just fucked then if it's not faster

[manic flint]

It should be faster

[barren zephyr]

Someone just said Giga should be faster

[gritty helm]

with how obese Acro is?

[limber hull]

I mean, cera's design seems to be the current "mini spino". Its a good swimmer, bully, fights for food rather than tries to hunt directly.

[manic flint]

Sucho can get away with it cause water

Acro should just be faster

Than Giga

[cyan flame]

Yep. And it's small enough, and can eat really crap food, which would make it sort of a scavenger tagging along with spinos ^^ They can afford to wait and let the spino have first fill, and use it to discourage any other challengers they themselves can't just shoo away :p

[barren zephyr]

Acro's gotta get away

[sacred moat]

I keep thinking to myself “why would spino need an ambush? It eats fish for a living” but then I remember we’re getting essentially a giga that has a gaint spine on its back and stronger arms

[manic flint]

True...

[limber hull]

The one thing I heard that made me super angry is someone saying that spino should have a higher biteforce than deino. The apex with a fucking shitty little mouth made for fishing, bites harder than an 8 ton gator.

[manic flint]

Dumb
Let spino tear it to bits with those arms lmao

[barren zephyr]

Spino's bite wasn't a featherweight
But yeah, Deino's gotta be chomping. It's their gimmick

[sacred moat]

If spino has a stronger bite force than deino, they should just remove giga

[manic flint]

It's so dumb spino literally lived with Charcar so they should be Super easy to balance with giga

[barren zephyr]

They also lived with Sarco

[manic flint]

Exactly

[barren zephyr]

Aka=Deino

[limber hull]

Deino and spino should be rivals imo. Deino fucks em up in water if it ambushes, spino wins on land or if it begins the engagement. I don't think either one should simply "win" for being their dino, I think either they should avoid/respect the other or prepare to have a brawl which may end poorly for them.

[cyan flame]

It's not as dumb as you think, remember that the spino we have is JP, it's plenty powerful. As well as how deino is designed and how it's meant to hunt.

[manic flint]

And rex has an entirely different hunting style and niche

Rex, spino, Giga and deino are the easiest things to balance with eachother

With mid tiers it gets harder but the fact still remains

[barren zephyr]

Though when we add the mid tiers and the slower creatures is where the balance gets tricky

[limber hull]

IMO, deino's biteforce should be secondplace to rex and really that's it. Nothing else, as I know, reaches that level of sheer bone-breaking bite damage besides those two. Not to mention that deino and rex both share an ambush/brawler style play.

[sacred moat]

The spino that lived with charcara is not the same spino we have in the isle

[manic flint]

That's the stupid part

With this spino it would be so easy
But the devs literally made it 10 times harder on themselves

[cyan flame]

Depends on if rex gets some cool mechanic too. But deino primarily hunts with the lunge, meaning that it's biteforce is very secondary in how it achieves food, at least if we go by how it's designed. But I do agree that deino should win over spino if both are swimming, while if spino is standing, those arms will make short work of the deino.

[manic flint]

Granted this is slightly out of date but that isn't the point

[sacred moat]

Only problem is, if it’s second only to Rex that would promote them to go inland and bully land carnivores in mid tiers with ease

[cyan flame]

Yeah, our spino is not really near a real one at all, especially not in combat capacity most likely.

[sacred moat]

Ntm they’d just run down stegos and spam bite them

[manic flint]

Puts them in danger of spino and rex tho

[barren zephyr]

Especially in our current roster

[limber hull]

With their horrible stam, low landspeed and rapidly decaying hydration, unlikely. They'd be stomped by any land apex that saw them making these choices, this including apex herbis

[sacred moat]

The deino would just fuck up spino in a fight if it has second best bite force

[barren zephyr]

Not our Spino

[manic flint]

Even acro and sucho will give a land deino trouble cause of they're non existent stam

[barren zephyr]

It's pretty ridiculous

[sacred moat]

Idk stegos barely survive as it is with deinos spam biting them with their current bite force

[manic flint]

Not with those arms

[limber hull]

IDK, usually I see stegos punish the everloving hell out of deinos who become too confident

Wait for them to sprint/alt-bite themselves to exhaustion, then go wild with the tail till they are left a bloody pulp

[cyan flame]

Yeah, deinos don't really want to mess with stegos as it stands from what I know, now that they can no longer bite the stego through the ass, and they have the extra health

[sacred moat]

Right the stego only wins atm because deino has a lowish bite force. Give it a comparable bite force to a rex, and stegos might not be so over confident

[limber hull]

And stego is one of the WEAKER apexes lmao

[cyan flame]

Keep in mind stego still has some room to grow at that

[limber hull]

I mean, I think both deino and stego have been nerfed to suit the current roster

[cyan flame]

So even if deino got that, I imagine, if a stego can handle a rex, then it can most likely handle a deino on land :p

[manic flint]

Yes
We should've gotten sucho and kentro

[cyan flame]

Kentro would have been nice yes!

[limber hull]

If a stego is meant to be fighting a rex, it should not be losing to a fucking land deino

[manic flint]

Balance is terrible rn

[sacred moat]

Well we can’t really determine how stego vs Rex will be. Kissen said it herself that all the carnivore apex’s are going to be waaaaay stronger than their legacy counterparts

[barren zephyr]

That's bullshit

Holy fuck rip balance

[manic flint]

Hopefully that goes for herbivore apexes too
And stego gets buffed to shit

[cyan flame]

Well, unless they want to cause imbalances galore, I can't see them buffing the apex carnivores and not give the equivalent herbis some buffs too

[barren zephyr]

Ig you could limit that with diets, but real tired of seeing a rex smashing everything on sight

[limber hull]

i recall them also planned to be way way harder tho (unfortunately, deino's shitty easy baby mode diet seems to contradict this, even tho its our only apex carni rep atm)

[manic flint]

But really they shouldn't be that much better then the pseudo apexes

[cyan flame]

I mean, we got trike, anky, shant, maybe para? and so on

[sacred moat]

Is it really that far fetched? Look at current carno vs legacy carno

[cyan flame]

Not sure how big para ends up, but at least the others should count

[manic flint]

As much as I want it they probably won't upsize para. :(

[cyan flame]

Maybe we get para on acro level or something

[limber hull]

legacy carno is one of the only times i'll really say legacy did it better

[sacred moat]

100% agree

[cyan flame]

Depends on what it did better with the carno :p

[manic flint]

Chonk para pls

[limber hull]

didn't have carno fucking brawling other things all the time

[sacred moat]

Wasn’t para supposed to be replacing shant?

[barren zephyr]

balance

[limber hull]

para and shant are going to both exist

[manic flint]

I don't think so

[cyan flame]

That's a shant xD No need to make it that big, but we can maybe get a larger one than legacy, up there with acro or so

[manic flint]

Yea
Acro level para would be nice

[cyan flame]

In a general sense, I guess. For what carno was meant to do, not at all :p

[manic flint]

It should be Alberto's shant

[limber hull]

Shant is going to end up being probably the heaviest non-sauropod in the game, so it better be strong lmao

[barren zephyr]

underpowered is better than broken any day

[sacred moat]

I know they will, but some time ago they were making arguments of what can’t para do that shant can do (In the discussion of buff para as an apex herbie)

[cyan flame]

I didn't mean underpowered. More so that for a small game hunter, carno was never good at it in legacy :p

[limber hull]

Para shouldn't be an apex herbi, but it should be on an equal level to acro imho. Sub-apex or whatever they're called

[manic flint]

Pseudo apex

[cyan flame]

Yeah, we have shant for the really big one, but we can probably get away with a slightly larger para than what we do have

[sacred moat]

Yeah that never say right with me, para shouldn’t be an apex

[cyan flame]

It's still a para, it's not going to be that terrifying to fight I imagine, shant isnt really all that either, unless they stick with the weird stomp

[manic flint]

If they make para acro size it would be

[sacred moat]

Unless they’re giving us some fucking 3.0 combat build para from BOB

[cyan flame]

Basically, large animal. But within large animals, there's some variety. Same with smalls or mids, so it should be fine.

[limber hull]

What's weird is that I think para is actually listed as LARGER than a stego so????

I guess stego's spiky high damage bumped it up a tier, because it had a pretty decent defence at the time it lived

apex based on ability to defend self over ability to tank

[manic flint]

Isn't stego pseudo too?

[lusty agate]

Legacy carno is perfect imo, just because of the animations skill it took to actually kill certain dinosaurs, it's a very different playstyle than most of the other carnivores because of how slow the turn rate is

[cyan flame]

Well, para is heavier apparently (if we go by full size like that pic). But stego coming in on 8T makes it strangely enough, heavier than anky at 7T. But it's more so I would judge, based on combat and all that.

A shant is massive

[limber hull]

is stego 8 tons?

[sacred moat]

Isn’t Maia heavier than para though?

[manic flint]

No wat

[limber hull]

I think stego is 6 tons atm

[sacred moat]

I could’ve sworn Irl it was

[manic flint]

No

Maia was smaller

[cyan flame]

Full sized one comes in at that yes. In game right now, no it's not. I'm talking the size of the critters that we can do.

[sacred moat]

I’m going to fact check that

[manic flint]

Damn that didn't work

[limber hull]

once they actually start finishing off the dinos, I think stego might need a weight increase lmao.

[cyan flame]

It was more so in response to where "apex" comes in. Anky I think is 7T, stego can be made 8T, rex is, what, 9T? Trike is 10T these days apparently. No idea on giga, and shant/para being big are 11+T apparently

[sacred moat]

I’m getting that Maia was heavier than para

[limber hull]

Shant is listed at 14000kg lmao

[cyan flame]

Yep, it's huge :p

[manic flint]

I get that it is only like 2.5 meters

[cyan flame]

Basically a hadrosaur that wanted to be a sauropod but forgot the memo about long neck :p

[sacred moat]

Like I’m getting that Maia was nearly twice the weight of para

[manic flint]

Surprisingly a lot of hadros were that big
Like edmonto

[cyan flame]

Yep. And apparently Para too or so it seems :p

[manic flint]

Show

[cyan flame]

I guess they grew to be too scary to attack, since they seem to lack much in the ways of weaponry :p

[manic flint]

No way Maia was like 14 tons or something

[cyan flame]

@limber hullI'm thinking we can do with an 8T stego in the end, since it'll make it slightly more reasonable for it to survive against a rex or giga with extra weight/health. It'll still come in as the most fragile of the large ones most likely, except para/acro/similar if we count them as large. Anky might weight a bit less, but on the other hand, it has armor all over, so that would make it far tougher anyway most likely.

As for classing them as apex or not, I prefer to keep things in terms of small, mid, and large. Since there's still plenty of variety in those "tiers" and people at times get angry when you use apex for herbivores and all that. And I'm also in favour of more specific "prey lists" as opposed to just using the term large or small game hunter and things like that.

[limber hull]

Anky will be hard to kill based on armour alone

Impossible to bleed, impossible to fracture, probably far reduced damage across it's body

We've already seen an armour system with pachy, since its head seems to take reduced damage

Like, a body attack hurts pachy more than a head attack

[sacred moat]

I’d be nice if they implemented a proper armor system for it tbh

[cyan flame]

That sounds more like just hitbox multipliers, which can of course work too.

[limber hull]

anky should just exist in a constant state of bleeder invalidation lmao

if you try to bleed me, fuck you, i win

[sacred moat]

The model a side, I think the anky skin is pretty good

Acro is….ehh

[limber hull]

imo, anky should just exist as a constant fuck you to like, 90% of the predator roster

your opponent is either too small or too bleed reliant to even put a dent in you

its not like a giga is really going to do much against an anky. Bleeding wouldn't work and, once the anky has fucking destroyed your leg bones, you aren't running around it either

[sacred moat]

Gigas teeth aren’t meant for crushing armor anyways

[limber hull]

i'd say anky should just be a slow dino everyone just respects

like you don't HAVE to engage it, and chances are, most of the time unless you're a rex, you are more than likely not going to beat it

its not going to go and kill for sport with its pathetic speed and primarily defensive attacks

[barren zephyr]

Inb4 Carno's start bitching for Anky nerfs so they can hunt them

[limber hull]

ahahaha so true

[sacred moat]

I wonder how troodon packs would fair against anky? They’re small enough to bite weak spots that aren’t covered

[limber hull]

"anky is small game because carno is taller than it, let me hunt it"

[barren zephyr]

Poison might be a good shot against it

Unless they make it venom resistant

[limber hull]

that'd be interesting. Anky would likely have a vulnerability to venom, so that'd be interesting, when the biggest land predator and the smallest land predator are your two greatest fears lmao

[barren zephyr]

It'd be a weird but interesting matchup for it

Hard to see Anky being super venom resilient

[limber hull]

i dont think anky should have venom resistance. Its body is built to avoid damage from the outside, it's not suited for internal damage

[sacred moat]

I’d assume that it would take a shit ton of bites to have any affect on it but the point still stands that they’re small enough to bite through it’s armor weak spots

Ngl troodon packs might be a menace to trikes

[barren zephyr]

I'm guessing ironically the playable that can shrug off hits from the meanest apexes are also vulnerable to one of the smallest creatures

It'd be ironic

[limber hull]

But again, troodon dies in one hit to basically every fucking dino in the game, so it's not like the fight is going to be hard fought. You could wipe out the whole troodon pack in a single attack

[limber hull]

Makes for a far more dynamic ecosystem imho

[sacred moat]

This is true!

[barren zephyr]

Yeah, some things should never be straight up invincible

[limber hull]

"Big fight big" and "small fight small" is a boring concept that should die in legacy

[sacred moat]

Legacy ignored that concept though

Utah’s could solo everything

[barren zephyr]

Troodon's struggling against Teno's and higher up
But having a good shot against Anky's which get apexes to fuck off

[limber hull]

I do not acknowledge that as intended design

Teno would likely be a troodon nightmare, due to the plentiful attacks they can throw out

Troodon can't afford to be damaged from any source lmao

[barren zephyr]

But due to it's agility and small size, it'd make it an even better matchup against Anky
Especially in swarms

[sacred moat]

Trikes might struggle though, they don’t really have any defense covering from their rear, and I don’t see trike being that agile, even for a quadruped

[limber hull]

If the "weight = HP" is to be maintained, troodon would have a pitiful 40HP, enough to die instantly to a utahraptor, or any of teno's non-bite attacks. Small tier animals like utah would probably be a troodon's greatest fear

Remember, troodon's would still need hefty numbers to beat apexes. That's their flaw

[sacred moat]

Yeah I said troodon packs

[barren zephyr]

Trike's front legs were actually very flexible, as well as it's neck structure

It could swing it's head around and fence with it's horns

[sacred moat]

Yeah but I don’t think it’s contending with troodon in terms of agility

[cyan flame]

Why suggest troodon, when dilo is a thing? :p

[sacred moat]

Especially a pack of them

[cyan flame]

Or megalania for that matter

[limber hull]

They are bigger and thus easier targets to beat to death

[sacred moat]

Why suggest dilo in general

[cyan flame]

But troodon can just be walked over :p

[limber hull]

Dilo isn't going to be sneaking under defences tho

[barren zephyr]

Idk, troodon swarms should have a shot since their all paper and it's hard to organize gigantic groups like that

[sacred moat]

Dilo imo is worse than utah

[limber hull]

Troodon can get under anky, kentro, trike and all these other bigger dinos defence

[sacred moat]

Atleast Utah has a pounce, dilo is forced to run at you

Dilo is literally forced to hunt smallers or else

[cyan flame]

I guess if you can find 30 troodon it might work :p

Be half the server to take something down

[barren zephyr]

Dilo is getting venom though?
And Utah is still pretty trash

[cyan flame]

Dilo at night with venom is probably far more capable of hunting the apexes than troodon is

[sacred moat]

Day 1 of troodon release

[cyan flame]

Nah, it'll be 100/100 then :p

[barren zephyr]

A pack of 6 Dilos at night is feasible for apex hunting

[cyan flame]

Massive hordes covering the entire center ^^

[zealous violet]

I guess if a dino has any red on it its considered a male haha. ^^u

[limber hull]

I can agree with some of these acro assessments, but honestly, I think some animals need to be added with more vibrant colours, like Troodon. Currently, the game has very same-ish colours, and having a little visual variation would be nice, considering how nature has a habit of sometimes making really colourful creatures

It's a matter of acro not working with our existing artstyle

[spice shell]

Generally troodon should only be hunting/stalking larger prey at night or in the darkness of jungle using nip and evade tactics to slowly poison and wear down its potential victims. If its goin to try to attack anything in the daytime or open areas it will most likely just be fodder.

[stable spire]

we can all agree that anky dint=bad at least

[rare fractal]

I’m really not sure who likes Anky with a broken back

[stable spire]

i dunno who thought anky having a dint was a good idea

[rare fractal]

Rhino Anky is cringe, we literally have a planned playable called pachyRHINOsaurus, as gimmicky as it would be, the aesthetic fits a ceratopsian more regardless.

[fluid trench]

i think the anky should be a bit more inflated i dunno if thats the right word it feels small

like maybe make it a bit more beefy?

also the design makes it look like a armadillo thats cool 😄

[barren zephyr]

are server playable?

[meager tiger]

define playable?

Able to login? Able to move around without having 2fps? Able to survive for more than 10 minutes looking for food without getting killed by a carno A.i?

[balmy hatch]

QA na 2 crash for anyoine else?

[barren zephyr]

impossible to play with "fatal error" the whole time

[tender ridge]

On public branch of Evrima, what happened to the Official servers?

[lavish quail]

I love the new skin sneakpeaks

ankys back is a lil messed

but its better than sphere anky

[torn hare]

Would u make the isle on full dive?

[grave hill]

Im glad I cant even hit the connect button on the servers 😄

[hoary dawn]

why'd people react with salt? its a valid complaint and a popular opinion that the designs are lackluster

[paper oriole]

What about bary makes it look like a good swimmer at all

[last lily]

Some people just don't like good designs nor want them. So they want the trash ones instead. Why? I don't know, lack of quality control or eye for detail I'm guessing or no care for world building.

[hoary dawn]

whether the designs are good or not doesn't matter, saying that they are bad does not come from salt

[paper oriole]

It can, but the suggestion didnt have any saltiness radiating from it

[last lily]

Some people just like sodium chloride I'm guessing. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[paper oriole]

If they were like “omg ugh the designs are so bad i cant play something that looks like that wtf you ruined my favorite dinosaur i am going to uninstall and play PoT” then it would be salt

[hoary dawn]

ye

honestly i'd be surprised if the devs dont change the anky dent after pages of feedback asking for it

[paper oriole]

Its such a bizarre design choice

They changed herrera's face after feedback when it was first revealed so who knows maybe theyll get anky to a doctor

[hoary dawn]

i really like the anky, but i also see why people dont

[paper oriole]

I like it aside from the broken spine

The sleeves are fine, the segmented armour is fine, but the caved in back

Would also help to see a frontal view of it to see how lean they really made it

[hoary dawn]

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/ULMFS9CK4pkknlw4xs5Pf4DdR-Mkrit1XCADitA_sTg/%3Fwidth%3D1201%26height%3D676/https/media.discordapp.net/attachments/718510909844357202/737413940753072238/Betteranky.png?width=1200&height=675 yeb made a really good edit

[paper oriole]

Yeah thats nice

[last lily]

I'd remain VERY worried for Anky, because I have the hunch that they won't change it for some reason.. Poor Anky never asked for any of this..

Magy's gonna be fucked one way or another, but hopefully Anky can be saved... but there's a chance it won't.

[hoary dawn]

even if the dent stays its not like it'll ruin gameplay, or even be that noticeable ingame

[paper oriole]

I wont be surprised because the devs seem to have a personal grudge against anky lmao

Magy is just a meme animal at this point but anky shouldnt be

Anky is cool and they did him dirty

[last lily]

It'd still be an ugly as fuck Anky, where even the god awful JW anky looks better..

RL Anky is so flat and chunky that Rex couldn't even get a good bite on it, or do much damage to the armor, and could break its legs like an absolute CHAD..

[paper oriole]

Pangea has a better anky and theyre an itty bitty obscure game

[hoary dawn]

i disagree with you there, the dent is the only real problem with our anky

the rest of the design is great

[last lily]

It really would benefit from actual width, since Anky is pretty much a armored pancake that breaks the legs of any who challenge it.. And the Anky design we have is.. kinda slim.

The head is good though..but also hard to mess up an Anky's head.

[paper oriole]

Doesnt help we only really have a side view

But theres no way its as wide as a legit anky

[last lily]

You can kinda see that it's slimmer, due to the lack of a protruding gut, where the leg would be slided against ..If that makes any sense.

[paper oriole]

Yeah they usually have that roundness sort of blocking off the back leg

Idk if any speed increase is worth what they’ve done to him

And if theyre making him faster hell more than likely be weaker than he should be

[last lily]

I'd be fine if maybe baby anky's were slimmer... but don't take away an adult Anky's chonk.

[paper oriole]

I dont think people who liked anky in legacy when it was actually trash cared that it was slow

[last lily]

||Really do wish that baby Deino's model was more distinct, with proportionately longer legs.||

[paper oriole]

They shouldnt have ruined him for faster locomotion if that was their intent

Yeah baby deinos are super similar to the adults

Actual baby gators are slim and lanky

[last lily]

I think it was... Because they wanted the evrima caste to be overall faster.. but now they also went back and nerfed basically all of the dino speeds(and tenoto felt like it was going in slow motion as of 3.75...no idea how it feels in the mechanic test)

[paper oriole]

They cant seem to make up their mind on that

Either way though anky could have just been slow af with a constant low quality gazer diet and devastating attacks+armour that make up for its inability to escape fights

[last lily]

||I feel like a lot of the Juvis would benefit from a redesign.. Tenoto, Deino, Pachy(why is the baby so chunky), Stego(maybe base the baby more off ...was it Sophie or Rosie??)||

[paper oriole]

They cant make that thing fast enough to escape fights even with its anorexic new model and it shouldn’t be running away anyway

[last lily]

"Magyaorosaurus will probably be faster than Allosaurus."

[paper oriole]

i remember that

Then the running reels

[last lily]

It's hard not to remember that and just how absurd it sounds.

[hoary dawn]

the classic kissenism

[paper oriole]

Isnt kissen the one who got us stuck with magy anyway, we shoulda gotten a cool small-end sauropod but we got this

[last lily]

I still think my Yautja Magy suggestion is the only way to make it viable.

[paper oriole]

Skunk magy do it

Its already a meme animal just do it

[last lily]

Turn invisible and have heat seeking vision to escape allosaurus.

[paper oriole]

Dashark's exploding sea cucumber magy

[sacred moat]

This made my day

[last lily]

I kinda hate how that.. the Magy run is actually kind of good.. It actually somewhat feels like it has weight going on..But then we got some... others that feel absolutely weightless.

[paper oriole]

They did a good job on magy, but unfortunately the isle isnt an isolated dwarf ecosystem

[hoary dawn]

the magy run anim is great

[paper oriole]

So magy sucks shit

[sacred moat]

Magy has decent animations, it’s just that the mid tiers are waaaaaay too over powered

[barren zephyr]

In comparison to Magy

[sacred moat]

Yes

[paper oriole]

Alberto and allo are going to wipe any magy population that pops up

[sacred moat]

And carno

[barren zephyr]

They're gonna need to inflate it's stats to hell to make it viable

[paper oriole]

Yeah carno is gonna break magy's ribs

[hoary dawn]

i still hold out hope that magy can be made capable of defending itself

[last lily]

It's smooth too and doesn't look like it has a stick up its ass(looking at you Carnotaurus walk, Spinosaurus run and walk, Allo new run(it was a WIP I think)..

Too bad that Magy's fucked no matter what.

||Stego's plate jiggle makes me want to just... pull on the plate and see if it comes off.||

[paper oriole]

I unironically think skunk magy would be pretty viable

[hoary dawn]

i unironically want you to die

[sacred moat]

You know it’s bad when your only means of defense against threats your size or larger only matter when you’re dead

[paper oriole]

Hey its better than tasting bad

[sacred moat]

How so?

[paper oriole]

Just blast predators in the face and make them throw up

Make them show up as scent clouds

[last lily]

Splinter Cell Magy >> >>Allosaurus, definitely.

[paper oriole]

And fuck up their sense of smell

[sacred moat]

they’d still be able to see?

[paper oriole]

Just makes magy straight up too inconvenient to kfs

Yeah blinding is hypsis job

[sacred moat]

Like sure you smell bad, but my vision will still be good enough to run over to you and kill your magy

[last lily]

-Anyone else think Hypsi's spit should be an AOE or cone?? So it's like a spray and actually useful in escape.

[paper oriole]

If kfsing a magy actually can totally screw you over with sickness debuff and also make you extra vulnerable until you clean yourself it can make it much less likely to be a victim

Kfsing a magy would make you lose hunger and give you the hunger cap

If they squirt you

[sacred moat]

That seems…..broken

[paper oriole]

Eh its slow

[sacred moat]

Apparently faster than allo

[hoary dawn]

they could just upsize magy to not be absolute fodder

[paper oriole]

That was a lie unless they nerf allos reel

[sacred moat]

OR THIS

[hoary dawn]

it was kissen pulling a kissen

[paper oriole]

Magy can be relatively slow if he just screws people over

[last lily]

Magyaorosaurus supremificans... 3x the size of actual Magy and may as well just add Camarasaurus in its place.

[paper oriole]

I wouldnt want to kfs a magy if it totally fucks yp my hunger and makes it nearly impossible for me to hide or use scent with the stank application

If magy just tastes bad? Yeah ill kfs that bastard as an herbi too

[hoary dawn]

make magy the size of current legacy cama and make evrima cama huge like when it was first added

[sacred moat]

Ummm

I don’t favor that

[last lily]

Make Camarasaurus supremus again.

[paper oriole]

Give magy a row of long spikes down its neck that it can use for defense and rename it amagysaurus

[tall oasis]

I don't understand

[sacred moat]

Hyper speed evolution

[hoary dawn]

my love

big cama

[paper oriole]

Replace magy with cama and replace cama with atla

[last lily]

I really wish we'd get Apato or Diplodicus in.....as long as they don't pull a wildcard.

Just one of the long bois, I don't even care about tail collision.

[paper oriole]

Shunosaurus or bajadasaurus woulda both been far superior picks to magy

Imagine the whip from a diplo just being heard halfway across the island lmao

[last lily]

Diplo slaps Carnivore meat with his tail

[hoary dawn]

with the new tail physics a diplo could look very cool indeed

[paper oriole]

Diplo decapitates an allo with its tail

[sacred moat]

diplo wouldve been a nice addition ngl

but making collision for that wouldve been a nightmare

[last lily]

Just have it clip through.. We have tons of clipping shit going on already, hell Carnotaurus' right leg constantly clips into its abdomen when it trots until adulthood.

And Dinosaurs phasing their heads through tree trunks and fences

[paper oriole]

Ez, diplo can curl its tail up like a hubba bubba gum roll when its not using it in combat

[last lily]

Chameleon baby Diplo

[paper oriole]

Now its tail isnt a collision nightmare

[last lily]

Titanoboa's a collision nightmare just waiting...I still hate how Wildcard's Titanoboa actually looks semi decent in terms of the slithering.. but ...then you got the rest of Ark(the dinos anyway)

[warm flame]

apparently 6 people think that it makes sense for a pachy to break a carnos leg with a tail shot

[paper oriole]

Carno deserves pain

[limber hull]

true

[sacred moat]

You do know that In order for a pachy to break your leg, it needs to ram your legs right? Like you cant break a carnos leg from getting tail shots.

That’s kinda the whole point of locational damage and locational fractures, so you can’t break a carnos leg from landing tail shots on it as a pachy

[tepid gate]

Do locational fractures actually work? I'm pretty sure they didn't before - when Carno had fractures on its charge it could hit any part of Tenonto to bonebreak it.

I haven't had any chance to test that so far with Pachy though.

[limber hull]

it def works

i think its really weird tho

headbutt doesn't seem to make contact with the head hitbox

its EXTREMELY hard to get a head fracture

[tepid gate]

Alright so the person saying that Pachy bonebreaks Carno by hitting its tail twice must've seen it wrong and the Pachy had to hit the torso/leg area?

Oh yea I haven't seen a head fracture yet

even when I got hit head on

[warm flame]

yes I know that, that's why I made the suggestion, clearly they CAN break your legs with tail shots because it happened to me

[warm flame]

even saying that it was a tail hit was generous, on my screen when the pachy had impacted it was already like a utah's length from me

[warm flame]

you say that like pachies don't deserve it either

[quasi heath]

has there been any info put out on how to deal with loading for a reallyyyy long time like this and starving after just spawning in

[tepid gate]

I've heard that the QA servers have started to rubberband rather awfully so I wouldn't be surprised if the second one of those hits reigstered as a bodyhit/leghit. That's just my assumption though since I didn't see it/test it.

[rare fractal]

@random hazel I love the irony of your profile pic compared to your feedback post

[random hazel]

I'm a spino fan either way

for now this model is what we're going to get

[rare fractal]

Yeah same, I do really like the giant monster dragon spino but that's because I think it look cool as fuck, not that I think it's accurate, which I do wish spino was given how unique of a creature spino was irl

But given the games track records to heavily fictionalize the dinos in it, I can't say it's definitively inconsistent

[random hazel]

it's just how I and many others know spino

looking like a fat dragon is not something I'm used to

[rare fractal]

Mm indeed, I can somewhat sympathize with that. Although I'd be moreso in support of a complete remodel rather than using the old model, as that one is still a bipedal terrestrial theropod with a sail running most of the length of it's tail. The dragon spino does kinda fit into the games aesthetic tho so I'll have to give it that

[warm flame]

probably

[meager tiger]

Now when can we get a monster anky and not the frail looking skinny boy we have lol

Why do people get a free fucking dragon trex spino

but me asking for a better anky is bad

[warm flame]

I like the spino, looks cool as hell, the anky just needs some more chunk added

[paper oriole]

The rex also is scrawnier than an actual rex

Not as bad of a case as anky tho but still

[honest sparrow]

Yeah because we live in a society or something

[paper oriole]

we live in a saurciety

[hasty dagger]

*susiety

[barren zephyr]

comedy 😐

[tired hamlet]

Can Dryo burrow in the isle?

[paper oriole]

It can burrow in legacy yeah

Its the secondary attack key. Burrowing isnt in evrima yet

[worn pumice]

The indent on the anky fills me with dread

[paper oriole]

The devs hate poor anky

[urban flax]

That poor guy named Dev got pinged again

[gritty helm]

Rip him

[kind elk]

hey guys, first time packy. how do you eat coconuts?

[paper oriole]

he pinged some random dude and what the fuck is that suggestion

Also im pretty sure you gotta rightclick wack the coconuts

[kind elk]

ive been trying and nothing is happening :/

[teal shell]

I realized after lol, what do you think about the low fall though

It is a little bit of a downside, but imagine being humans later on and a bunch of Utah’s are around it’s night time you’re traveling all the sudden from the trees surrounding you hear that low hum

I just feel like stalking and whatnot as a Utah gets easy after a while it’d be a cool option

[paper oriole]

That makes 0 sense

Does a tiger make humming noise like some robot when its stalking somebody

No, because that would make it starve

[north stag]

Honestly what was wrong with the old grouping system? why did it change?

[hoary dawn]

by old do you mean the legacy version

[manic sun]

role play purposes lol

jk I think smth. like that would be cool but it would´ve no use in a hunt, it would be more of a cinematic mechanic

u can also bark to make them notice u

[teal shell]

Exactly not everything has to be exactly realistic

[hoary dawn]

idk why you'd want to alert the thing you're stalking that you're stalking it

[paper oriole]

yeah if you want to make stalking less easy just bark at people lol dont ruin it for everybody else with what is essentially a debuff

if you think stalking around unnoticed is boring then dont do it

[north stag]

before evrima yeah

[hoary dawn]

pretty sure they changed it from that because being able to see where your group mates were across the entire map was a bit immersion breaking and kinda defeated the purpose of being in a group

[paper oriole]

It was also kinda dumb that one buddy across the whole island could scout out targets for the whole pack to show up

[teal shell]

First relax you’re coming off aggressive for no reason, I was saying like a 5 call not something that happens every time you get close

[paper oriole]

Not being aggressive bro lol

[teal shell]

You are though talking about 0 sense and it would ruin it for everyone how would a five call ruin it for everyone

It’s just an extra call that can ad some immersion

[paper oriole]

The current utah hiss is cringe but it doesnt look like something that would make that noise honestly

But w/e thats just my opinion

If anything we should all have a variant 3 call that is quieter and not some bloody murder scream

[teal shell]

That would be cool

I wouldn’t mind seeing the Utah calls being reworked all together

[gusty tinsel]

HOW DO I EAT YOU COCONUT XD

[candid schooner]

y'all how do i eat coconuts?

[hoary dawn]

pretty sure coconuts are bugged rn, hopefully fixed soon

[candid schooner]

so can i just not eat them?

there is like 200 on the ground and i would love to have a perfect diet

[grave hill]

Ofc they're bugged lol

[mortal dome]

Gotta love how carnos are still cannibalizing even with the new diet system 😐

[urban flax]

Isn't cannibalism a part of their diet ?

[mortal dome]

No

[urban flax]

It's new then, because last info I had regarding this was that devs made carno into a cannibal

[limber hull]

that was just to test

[hot inlet]

@honest ferry
i kinda like your Idea in general feedback
only drow back is maybe your island looks like this
but when you compare it to the over 1.000 islands on our planet you will see soon that every easland can look a lot diffrent
also plants can grow diffrent sizes depending on climate ,soil and stuff

i mean i live in austria (central europe) i have bamboo (from Asia) ans Banana trees (from China) in my Garden theyr grow here but cause my area is way colder and the sun is not that intense these plants will (bevore winter hits) never grow to theyr full potetial so they stay a lot smaller
the bananan tree not even really gets to bloom or wield fruit cause it gets to cold to soon
but still it grows
so the same can be appplyd to the isle sure a mango tree can get huge
but think it this way maybe the soil isnt right or its to cold so the trees just stay small

[honest ferry]

Thank you for being very respectful with your response : ) I’ve just been to very warm islands and that’s just the feeling I thought they were going for with the isle. The isle doesn’t seem to look cold to me. I do see what you are saying though on your point of view!

[hot inlet]

respectfull is the way to discuss stuff 🙂

but i generally would really love to see Banana trees in game
so some animals could eat the flower ,others the banana and some the leaves /stem it could be a good competitition point in this regard
and somehow would make a bit more sense then the coconuts cause somehow (maybe im wronge) only the coconut crab is able to open up coconuts in our world
for me it would kinda make more sense animals eating the green fleshy skin around the coconut then the coconut themself

[manic sun]

@rare fractal holy shit I like ur idea with the mini game, this might be a very good way to make pounce more of skillful and fun mechanic

they have to add this actually, I´m in love with this idea

[rare fractal]

Thanks 😄 It took quite a bit of thought and many different people to come up with but this seems to be the best way to make pounce less of an OP ability against smaller dinos but simultaneously a useable ability against larger dinos. Making utahs pounce damage predicated on whether you're skilled enough to sparingly attack could justify increasing it's bleed damage or even it's raw damage ever so slightly, since the free damage wouldn't be guaranteed.

[last lily]

I've been wanting the pounce to be more like Saurian's raptor prey restraint system, or even MHW mounting..Brace and let your target buck to waste their stamina while protecting yours at the cost of not doing any damage, and wait for opportunities to do damage. That'd leave pinning with being the odd ball out(because being pinned is basically just a "Oh well..guess I can't do anything now" moment)

[rare fractal]

Yeah MHW was one of my inspirations behind that post. Not necessarily RPR as cool as that would be, not sure how RPR would even function on massive herbivores that Utah is allegedly supposed to be hunting (stego, back plates go brrrr), but a flank oriented version with relatively similar mechanics would actually make that attack more fun than "bite dancing" as much as I enjoy that aswell.

[hot inlet]

in the end the devs will look into it and you have an stego flailing around like an tigrex while pounced haha
(still a good idea with the pounce)

[rare fractal]

Now I want to see tigrexes anims played with the stego model "gracefully" stretched to fit tigrexes proportions

[last lily]

-Pinning could maybe take a few hints..and be stamina based... Pounce should still be most useful in a pack but that pounce mini-game would be considerably better than what we have now. For pinning, I'm thinking it could be like a battle of stamina, and bracing... prey can fight back and use their own stamina, while you can brace, and let them waste theirs to push them down/keep them down.. Just as a throw away idea where say, a pachy can still fight back if it has the stamina for it, but a tired/exhausted pachy is fair game for pinning.

Also that'd be amazing to just see Stego become jello

[hot inlet]

but with your "plates" well in World you also have Nergis spikes and still you jump around onit like its nothing haha
so you could make an utha pounce in the middle of the plates if you know what i mean

[rare fractal]

Well logistically it doesn't make sense in that game either, and Hunters are kinda unnaturally strong superhumans that can kill godlike Monsters on a regular basis

Not exactly a good Utah analog

[last lily]

Bigger animals(but not quite small enough to be normal pounced), can still somewhat move, befoere being pinned(ei Pachy or fresh sub adult carnos(has to be around...500 kg or higher,...but can see capping it fully at 700-800 kg)...

Throw away idea, just spitballing. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hot inlet]

i mean a bit more to buckign would be great
in JWE 2 with the Para when the Velocis pounce it it have an animation where it just let itself fall sideways on the ground getting them off it looks quite nice
and i could defenetly see an stego or so do this

[last lily]

||Monster Hunter's can eat a thanksgiving dinner and still ask for seconds.. They aren't human||

[manic sun]

I think the stamina dmg of bucking should depend on how much stamina the victim of the pounce has left

[rare fractal]

Perhaps, that could incentivize precise bucking, aswell, although that kinda cripples animals that trade stamina for attack damage (literally everything utah fights rn outside of carno). It'd be better to just slightly increase the stam drain of bucking so timing is encouraged

[manic sun]

agree

[rare fractal]

Not to mention the casual swinging of weapons crafted from some of the densest and most powerful materials in their universe that average out at about the same size as the hunter if not bigger.

[hot inlet]

in the end we need some wierd "crossover" like some Dino (smarter one) throwing a rock at another XD
Kinda wierd considering ... Kulu is actually 11 m long so almost as long as an Rex XD

[last lily]

Fatalis great sword go BRRRRR

[hot inlet]

well no one knows how heavy this things are like some materials state theyr lighter then they look
some bones and even some woods can be quite heavy looking but arent

[rare fractal]

Can't really think of a dino with less sufficient natural weapons than a rock who's simultaneously capable of grabbing one

[rare fractal]

Well weight stats are sometimes released for things like...

[last lily]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/450149730584887298/861358598452936734/unknown.png

Just look at how damn tall, Fatalis's knee is alone

[rare fractal]

Plus just volume ratio of a greatsword would knock anyone over, not only that but they need the power and mass to act as a hammer in order to deal damage

[rare fractal]

Fatty is one thicc lad

Makes sense that he's simultaneously the current strongest monster in canon (even tho theoretical post secluded valley Safi would stomp his ass)

[last lily]

Safi'jiiva story line got cucked.

[junior fjord]

hi

[manic sun]

we need general chat back lol

[hot inlet]

so but back to our pounce issue
maybe make the whole thing just a 2minigame"

[rare fractal]

xD

[junior fjord]

i got a problem with my game can somebody help?

[hot inlet]

in game Fatalis demolishes Safi quite easily

[last lily]

I want to see Capcom bring back White Fatalis one day... I want him to fucking vaporize me, like he did in.. Frontier Z.

[rare fractal]

||(although yes I agree we needed to see post secluded valley Safi sink a continent or some shit)||

[last lily]

What's the problem??

[junior fjord]

well it says i dont have easy anti cheat

[last lily]

-Make Utah pounce more fun, and maybe Utah'll be more respectable.. and not the damn naked rat it is.

[lavish quail]

Whats happening rn

[lavish quail]

Dont shit on the master race dino

[last lily]

. . Legacy or Evrima build? I'd recommend you check out Evrima-troubleshooting. Got some people there who'd.. probably help sooner or later.

[lavish quail]

verify game files

[junior fjord]

ok

[last lily]

I'll stop shitting on the "Master race" dino, when they fix its damn wrists https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPy0ZQfhMso

[lavish quail]

Its Wrists are perfectly fine you sinner

you probably didnt and dont play it cause of them

[last lily]

-I have played Utah... and actually had fun.. It was also before the update that gave Stego 6000 health

[lavish quail]

6000 health not bleed resistance

[junior fjord]

@lavish quail thank you so much for the help

[lavish quail]

np

[last lily]

-Just had a blast annoying a family of Deinos as a solo utah...
Its wrists are still broken though and its a nudist beach enthusiast.

[lavish quail]

It looks better than a feathery piece of shit

[last lily]

^Opinions can be wrong. Only way a feathered utah would look worse, is if the feathers are Ark feathers, because Wildcard's feathers.. are usually not great.

[lavish quail]

Yeah their aweful

[last lily]

Lazy feathers will always look bad, same way lazy fur work will look bad.

[lavish quail]

but if the feathers are put in the same areas i wouldnt mind

But a full body utah feather would be disgusting

[last lily]

-It's literally a big carnivorous bear hawk.. It should be almost fully covered in feathers(with the feet and snout tip scaled)

[lavish quail]

Yeah but that would look bad in the current roster

and the roster still to come

[last lily]

We're getting Beipi, and a feathery Therizinosaurus, as well as Oviraptor and Deinocherius.

They'd be fine

That's also kind of nulled with the....fatcro and bent back Anky.

[lavish quail]

Give Deinocherius and beipi and it might work

but only as a skin option

[last lily]

We already know that Deinocherius and Beipi are getting feathers, and that's going to be the default(hopefully only) option

You don't see naked Ostritches in the savannah, at least very frequently(that are alive that is).

[lavish quail]

Better be the only one

[last lily]

It's literally just Utah and Troodon that throw the whole feathered thing out of whack, and messing things up,...and Ptera a little via its lack of fibers(pryocinfibers or whatever they're called)

Carno, Allo, Rex, Sucho, Bary.. None of them need feathers, nor have evidence for support for them(Don't bring Yutyrannus into this, let the man sleep), Dilo likewise is fine without them(I wouldn't mind quills on like the back of the head though)

[lavish quail]

Feathers cringe

valid argument deny'd

[lavish quail]

POV beipi with no feathers

[last lily]

Put it out of its misery

Quetz is fuzless too here....for some reason(and the wings are broken.)

Despite this one having fuzz...and looking good too(It's also made by a guy who's overall amazing at Dino models)

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/v0JwY

^Check him out, great stuff.

[tepid gate]

He's quite widely known in the community - he's made a lot of models that were actually used in TI iirc.

[paper oriole]

Free food spawning on beaches

[honest sparrow]

Turtle

[paper oriole]

Good luck feeding your mid tier with a few turtle

A mosa body tho

Is free good for high impact predators

[honest sparrow]

Turtle

[paper oriole]

t u r t l e

[honest sparrow]

Ok but consider the following

C r a b

[paper oriole]

Krabbs

[honest sparrow]

Money money

Crab could feed mid tier

[paper oriole]

Maybe hmmmm 80 crabs

[honest sparrow]

No

All it takes is one crab

[barren zephyr]

An ultra rare whale carcass spawning would be sick
It'd be a literal event

[warm flame]

@cold sorrel that'd also hinder the herbivore defending itself

[paper oriole]

Herbivores are already slower than their predators and not all herbis are flight animals

[cold sorrel]

It can still defend itself just has to be careful how it use it’s ability. It should still have enough stam. Just needs to be tweaked so it can’t abuse its ability like so many herbivores players do atm

[hoary dawn]

abuse

[paper oriole]

How the fuck is a stego going to abuse its stam rn

Its slow as shit

[barren zephyr]

Goddamn, not all herbies are galli's
Don't know why people expect Stego's to run in fear when it's speed is literal as fast as wheelchair

[paper oriole]

You have to be an actual idiot to get run down by a stego

[hoary dawn]

all of the carnivores in the game are perfectly capable of getting away from/defending against herbivores, if you get killed by one that's on you

[paper oriole]

All the herbis are slower than their predators even dryo and hypsi who are flight animals

God i hope at least galli can be fast

[barren zephyr]

Inb4 Galli has no stam

[paper oriole]

Wouldnt be surprised

[cold sorrel]

Teno has more stam than Utah and is only a tiny bit slower. Ive seen groups of tenos chasing down Utah’s and can continuously attack them. Utah ability cost stam so it can only really run or hide. Carnos generally have to be watchful when attacking as it’s cost stam. Im just saying herbs should have to do the same when defending themselves and to discourage them hunting players

[paper oriole]

Teno is more than a tiny bit slower and utah has a ton of mobility to get in to unreachable surfaces or lose teno in the woods

[barren zephyr]

Utah is also more agile

[paper oriole]

Attacking should be harder than defending, you control the confrontation

All herbi attacks worth shit cost stam while biting doesnt

[cold sorrel]

Your missing my point.
I’m saying herb players should have to be more careful when using there abilities as it should cost more stam when they use them

[paper oriole]

Nah

Theyre fine just dont get run down by things slower than you

Skill issue

[meager tiger]

You know some animals in nature don't run away and fight to death?

[paper oriole]

Especially stego wtf is is going to run down

[cold sorrel]

Nothing to do with skill. It’s never happen to me. But I see happen often.
I’ve also tried it as a teno and it is far easy to do

[barren zephyr]

Hippo's say hi

[paper oriole]

You see it happen often to bad players then

And they deserve it

[barren zephyr]

Moose say hi as well
Donkeys too

[hoary dawn]

gentle giant

[paper oriole]

People waste all their stam when they dont need to as carnis then whine when they run out and call for herbi nerfs

[meager tiger]

Rhino

[paper oriole]

Elephants kos just to show off too

[barren zephyr]

Moose are not gentle, they're bloodthirsty

[paper oriole]

Even deer attack dogs or cats sometimes ive seen it

Herbivores arent nice

[meager tiger]

Herbivores are more scary than carnivores. Herbivores kill for fun. Carnivores carefully determine whats worth fighting and whats not

[paper oriole]

An elephant will literally kill a lion just to show off to its friends

Herbis are crazy

[barren zephyr]

Now, I can't imagine Stego's and Trikes irl being the most cuddly things in nature
Those creatures sent Allo's/Torvo's/ And Rexes to the shadow realm
They wouldn't dare fighting a healthy one unless out of desperation

[cold sorrel]

I’m not saying they can’t fight and I agree that a lot of herbs are very aggressive.
I just think a tweak on there stam is needed when they attack. All herbs should have more stam then carnivore

[meager tiger]

Herbivores are more likely to fight to the death and carnivores will run away not risk injury

[paper oriole]

Well youre wrong, their stam isnt too lenient

Carnis should just manage their own better

Stego uses stam eoth every swing and tenos use stam for every tailslam, an attack which was totally neutered btw

[barren zephyr]

Yeah, you can literally pick your fights in this game as a carnivore
Don't wanna take on a whole Teno herd? Simply move on, or wait for an opportunity to get a younger one

[cold sorrel]

I know I’m not saying that. A carno would be dumb to try.

[barren zephyr]

Tired of Pachy's? Don't mess with them, take on something else instead

You can select your hunts

[cold sorrel]

I’m not talking about bad choices in hunt selection. I’m talking about people who can abuse the herb ability to hunt out carno players. I think it need a small tweak that’s all.

[paper oriole]

They can only hunt idiot carnis

And thats fine

Herbis have to stop before sniffing tracks and are slower than their predators. If you die to one then whatever, no loss to the ecosystem

Also if youre a carno getting hunted and killed by tenos in qa then you should probably play a different game

[hoary dawn]

creature votes do the opposite of bring game communities together

[paper oriole]

Because even in a fight where both have stam teno has been neutered

[tepid gate]

Tenonto could most definitely run down carnivores in the past but after the global stamina nerfs it shouldn't be happening right now. If you're dying to a Tenonto after its stamina pool was lowered then idk what to tell you but you're doing something very wrong for sure.

The only situation where that can happen to a Utah is after it'd spent its stamina pouncing but that's why you don't use up all your stamina during the pounce against Tenonto. I've personally killed a rather large number of Utahs as a Tenonto prior to the stamina nerfs and I'd argue that yea it was pretty dumb that I could do that but, now that Tenonto's stamina has taken a hit, dying to Tenonto like that should be just down to the carnivore's incompetence.

[paper oriole]

also to die to a tenonto with its wet noodle tail slaps after it burned a ton of stam to chase you down is absolutely laughable

[keen vapor]

@summer fern Hey why`d you dislike my suggestion?

[summer fern]

Because i didnt like it

[hoary dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/wayne-bird-building-collapse-building-falls-gif-13351341

[keen vapor]

what about it didnt you like?

[paper oriole]

Im gonna put my awful diet suggestion there too

Soon tm

[ebon girder]

@mystic lion did you jump like that, because if yes it totally makes sense that you took a good amount of damage. Also what are your pc specs

[zealous violet]

For a jumping dino, that shouldnt have brought them down to half health. More likely a quarter health. But I guess stuff like this will be more direct and specific with ankles because we will be able to see just how the dino is hurt.
Like is it an ankle sprain? Fracture? he break his foot? Knee came outta place? beef on the landing and smash his face in now his jaw is broken and he cant hunt meaning death anyways so ya die on impact? Who knows.
itll be very interesting to find out tho.
I wonder if the devs will actually (probably not) give us a word or area for whats been hurt- OH that just gave me an idea.

[hot inlet]

@fallen path would be cool sadly its pretty unlikely you find a small enough Deino to do so
in QA a juvie Deino weights already twice as much as an full grown Carno

[hoary dawn]

very dense child

[fiery canopy]

I would really think a change in the new sent system would be good as it is right now for herbie is very limiting and not encouraging at all to all the people i have talked with

[barren zephyr]

@lapis tree I'm not sure if you'd count this as a concept, personally I'd like if we got a more up-to-date concept like what we have for herrera, proto, etc. but in case you weren't aware of the current one here it is.

[lapis tree]

Thanks I didn’t know that this existed and it would be cool if we got more up to date concepts

[barren zephyr]

Yeah np, I believe it was one of the first concepts released way back when evrima first started, and yeah it would be nice to get a new one, hypsi could probably use a new one to tbh, personally I'm just waiting for stego and dryo to get one, I speculate dryo may be awhile since I'm not sure they know what they're gonna do with burrowing yet.

[lapis tree]

Yeah, I think allo might be a cool concept or megalania

[barren zephyr]

Same, mono also.

[lapis tree]

I wish we could see more of mono

[barren zephyr]

I'm sure once its release date nears, eventually, we'll get more info on it, but it certainly would be nice to get a concept or at least some info on what it actually does.

[lapis tree]

I came up with some ideas for mono, one of them was a rattlesnake sort of thing with a heat seeking organ in its crest but that sounds weird

[barren zephyr]

Oh yeah I think I remember that one from a few months back in #general-feedback, it's always interesting to see peoples ideas, I like the heat seeking idea but I'm not sure how well it would fit with mono, not a very big one but one I was thinking of was if mono could use super low frequency noises to communicate and those noises could only be picked up by other mono's and maybe some of their predators, but I'm not sure if that'd be to op.

[lapis tree]

That actually sounds like a good idea

[barren zephyr]

Thanks man, another detail I was thinking could work with the low frequency communication so that they could be somewhat heard while communicating and not just be a nearly silent creature is if they made like a quiet clicking noise after they call or something like that, I think it could give them a little more unique of a broadcast then just a generic roar or screech, and it could also be kinda scary especially for small game and humans since it's nearly inaudible and impossible to follow such a sound, but idk.

[lapis tree]

Yeah that would cool and (so the earth makes a low frequency hum that without most animals would get anxious and unnerved) what if Mono could disrupt that hum in a small area with its own hum that could make their prey anxious and on guard, leading to small, minor hallucinations. Maybe something like that

But that could be really out of place

[barren zephyr]

Ooh, I like that

Yeah, could be a bit of a stretch but it's an interesting concept.

[lapis tree]

Yeah

[barren zephyr]

I've always thought of mono as being a kind of creature who lives in dense foliage and jungles, I'm not sure if that's what the devs have planned (assuming they know what they're doing with mono) but that's what I try and base most of its concepts off of, which is part of the reason why I love the mild color changing ability concept.

[lapis tree]

I think of mono as a mysterious creature that would’ve adapted weird and unorthodox adaptations and that’s what I base my ideas off of

[barren zephyr]

Exactly, like it is a small carnivore but it lives a rather unusual life with far different adaptations that similarly sized organisms.

[thorn lotus]

I think that they should make a mutation system for nesting to give players more reason to be nested. So I was thinking of there being a very small chance your baby can come out with a color mutation kinda like ark, but make it a permanent unlock for that Dino and that color region for when you make future dinos thru the character creation screen. But also make it noninheritable to prevent it from being too common.

[lapis tree]

Yeah that’s what I’ve all was thought of it as

[lapis tree]

Did you mean to post that in general feedback or are trying to get some opinions before you post it in general feedback

[barren zephyr]

Noice, thanks for the feedback, I'll have to post something on mono vocals in #general-feedback sometime then.

[thorn lotus]

Some opinion would be nice before I send it there

[lapis tree]

That would be awesome to see

[lapis tree]

I’m not sure about it but honestly if the colours aren’t like BoB’s colours I’m cool with it

[thorn lotus]

Yeah no highlighter colors lol, that would be an eye sore

[lapis tree]

True

[thorn lotus]

Maybe like a crimson red or a bright green or dark blues

Nothing too flashy

[lapis tree]

Not sure about the brighter colours but darker shades would be fine

[barren zephyr]

You mean like melanistic, albino, leusistic, etc. dinos?

[thorn lotus]

But something noticeable

[lapis tree]

Yeah

That would be cool

[thorn lotus]

Yeah something like that

[barren zephyr]

Oh yeah that could be really cool, especially if a it was like a nesting exclusive feature.

[lapis tree]

How would apexes work?

[barren zephyr]

wdym

[lapis tree]

So in an ecosystem there’s one apex predator and there’s 4 apexes in the game

[thorn lotus]

Yeah

[lapis tree]

Spinosaurus is fine but Rex, Giga and Acro though

[barren zephyr]

Oh, I think acro is usually considered a psuedoapex

Well, I mean they could mostly inhabit different parts of the island, like different biomes, that's the main way I see them working together, although they'll also prey on different creatures (which could lead to lifestyles in separate areas) so maybe the devs are just relying on people not massacring any other apex they see.

[tepid gate]

Acro's a midget compared to the other 3 theropods you've listed there

[lapis tree]

Isn’t Acro larger than Rex?

[tepid gate]

It's much smaller

[lapis tree]

Oh I thought was larger

[tepid gate]

The largest Acro specimen there is weighs only at around 5.8t

[barren zephyr]

I wouldn't say a midget, but it's still not apex size.

[tepid gate]

compared to Giga's 8.3t, Rex's 9.2-9.7t and Spino's 7.4t

[barren zephyr]

It's also the Isle tho, and so we have fatcro.

But I get your point.

[tepid gate]

although in game Spino is just a completely different creature that would significantly outweight the irl counterpart

idk how to estimate fatcro

the animal kind of looks like it wouldn't be able to live with its proportions

Idk whether it's supposed to be as tall as real Acro or as long

because if it's the former then it's tiny, if it's the latter then it's pretty large

[barren zephyr]

I'm not sure how accurate this is but this is the size I've always thought of the two as, but it's the isle so I'm sure they'll buff some stuff up.

[lapis tree]

Why did they make Acro fat though

[tepid gate]

I think they made it fat to make it different from Giga

and really - it's not that it's "fat"

The animal has simply completely changed propoertions

which give it this robust "fat" look

Its head is completely oversized, its tail is shorter

[lapis tree]

I thought Acro was supposed to be the faster of the other 3

[tepid gate]

Irl it's slower than Giga and Rex

[lapis tree]

You sure, Rex is really slow

[tepid gate]

Idk any speed estimates for Spinosaurus but irl Spino likely wasn't fast at all, however based on the anatomy of our Spino it would likely be faster

So the thing about Rex is that it depends on what specimen you have in mind

there are two "morphs" of T.rex

gracile and robust morph, we have some 3-4 specimens of the robust morph, the most widely known one is Sue

these guys are slow, like very slow ~24km/h iirc

Acro is 27km/h+ iirc

However the gracile morph which our Rex looks more similar to was faster than that and is estimated to have moved at a speed of ~34km/h

[barren zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-nye-billnye-sciencerules-science-gif-5866727

[tepid gate]

Giganotosaurus is estimated in that general speed range too, perhaps slightly slower at 33km/h

[lapis tree]

Interesting

[tepid gate]

The reason why Acro is thought to be slower than these larger theropods is due to its proportionally shorter legs

Notice how this animal on the skeletal that was posted above has rather short legs

This decreases the stride length, meaning the distance that's covered with each step

[barren zephyr]

I kinda wish the spino wasn't so heavily fictionalized in the game as I personally find reality's far more interesting and I think it could have fantastic gameplay, but I doubt they'll change it.

[tepid gate]

They won't change it, I personally think it being fictionalised is a fine decision however I'd prefer if it was closer to its concept art

which looked amazing imo

[lapis tree]

Fred’s concept for Spino looked cool but I can’t find it

[tepid gate]

This one?

[lapis tree]

Yeah that

[barren zephyr]

[tepid gate]

Yea that looked so much better, such a shame we're not getting it

[barren zephyr]

I wish we got that one, its fictionalized, but it's still spino.

[lapis tree]

Yeah

[primal rivet]

Stuck spot at this location pinched between three rocks.

[limber hull]

@barren zephyr I personally love the idea of a tiny venomous predator

way more interesting than every predator having to be something big and several hundred kilos

[wise crystal]

ptera complains that hes 90kgs

[limber hull]

ptera isnt exactly a predator tho

its like calling a vulture or a seagull a predator

because essentially that is what a ptera is

it's a weird vulture/seagull thing

[wise crystal]

depends on who u ask

[limber hull]

eh

the game is designed in the concept that ptera focuses far more on fishing/scavenging then killing large animals

[wise crystal]

seagulls are predotors to chips and vulture are predotors to carcases xD

[tawny juniper]

seagulls are flying menaces

[limber hull]

im aware

but they ain't predators to literally anything terrestrial

[wise crystal]

eh

[limber hull]

the concept of ptera being an example of a "small predator" is flawed because its very survival focuses more on scavenging leftovers or feeding on fish than hunting to any extent

ptera, frankly, is not a hunter, nor should it be

[tawny juniper]

Agreed

[wise crystal]

well the diets prove you right and wrong xD

[limber hull]

the diets aint done lmao

[wise crystal]

the currents ones then ugh

[limber hull]

?

im not using an unfinished mechanic to define how a dino should be played lmao

[hoary dawn]

the only things on ptera's diet that you would need to hunt are rabbits and hypsi, both of which dont really make sense for ptera

[limber hull]

just because ptera is on carno's diet does not mean carno should hunt ptera lmao, that's clearly a placeholder

[wise crystal]

thats what i mean

even tho no one plays hypsi

[zealous violet]

@urban flax
So what do you find wrong with the Dinohyus?
Mostly I was thinking about how all the 'normal' animals we have like chickens, rabbits and deer, not only dont have any realistic place on an island (Unless its part of the lore) But that they are also huge compared to the dinos we have.

[urban flax]

It's part of the lore

Also The Isle is a dinosaur game, not an extinct mammals game
I'd find it better to downsize the animals (which I think will be done as soon as we have models that aren't placeholders) rather than replace them with creatures that make no sense to be there either

[zealous violet]

Ohhhhh Oh okay. If its part of the lore then I'll just hang around until they eventually tell us what the lore is.
Normally with dinos and humans being in the same place at the same time, i always think it goes back to like a JP situation, so i dont exclude the possibility of there being extinct mammals.

OH! OH! Wait! Do you think the chickens and deer and all that were actually brought over to feed the dinos originally when the island got made/bought/whatever kinda like JP but then stuff happened and now we have this?

That would totally make sense. Also, I didnt realize they were placeholders, I thought they were made by our devs. haha.

[ashen elm]

I'm not sure the domesticated animals were brought over specifically for the dinosaurs, they might have been for the humans actually. I think it's been mentioned that dinosaur meat is toxic to mercenaries iirc.

Also some like the sea turtles, frogs and crabs are probably native to the island and just aren't affected by the dinosaur population

[limber hull]

i actually like the aggressive boar, way more than the aggro AI dinos

[zealous violet]

That would make sense up until the deer.
Rabbits I can see being brought over for food, but deer not so much as they spawn at a much slower rate and provide very little food in comparison for body size. It might be a bit nitpicky, but Flemish rabbits would be perfect as a food source, but these cute little cotton tails we have.
I assume itll all eventually make sense.

[hot inlet]

when you mean food for Dinosaurs it still can make sense for the deer
a Deer is in reality (depending on the spec) quite big it would make a decent meal for a Carno or other speed hunters

[keen vapor]

yo @tepid gate what do you thino of my suggestion?

[earnest perch]

@barren zephyr Are you talking about the QA build or Evrima build?
If you're talking about the QA build. There are a reason why the devs wants us players to test the build to root out every bugs. QA build is 110% gonna have tons of bugs and server issues. If you cant handle those, then switch over to Evrima or Legacy build

[stable mica]

Feel like ptera could be a juvi hatchling hunter instead of just relegated to just scavenging since a lot of people have fun hunting juvis and small shit as ptera
also think all juvis should be in pteras diet just Bc of how easy it is for ptera to feed on all of them except like dieno and Stego

Also seeing how people enjoy the tiny animal/juvi hunting playstyle has right now I see no reason for it to change it would just make ptera have the same issue as Dryo and Hypsi boring animals that can’t do anything combat wise or have little interaction outside of trolling other animals or just waiting to be chased by larger ones

[tepid gate]

Your suggestion is miles better than what we have now in general although I would make it so that the number and amount of nutrients depends on what your animal is.

[limber hull]

i like small troodon :(

[limber hull]

@magic hinge the troodon is meant to sound like that. Lyrebird is an example, it can make extremely electronic sounds through mimicry, the distinct calls help reflect its niche

[hot inlet]

@limber hull i wantet to point out the white bellbird its sound also not sounds like any bird could make but still it does

[limber hull]

yea

several animals have very unique and complex sounds

hell, deino makes a laser pistol sound as a baby, like irl gators

[hot inlet]

some dino should get the Corys shearwater sound would be quite funny

[radiant dagger]

When Will Be release the update 4 ??? Or 4.5 ?

[lavish quail]

No ETA's

[compact hare]

People are so thirsty for content now they want to choose how devs work now?

their own game btw

[lavish quail]

Yeah but their own game is for us

Its not like its a personal project its for a living and the public

It makes us not get Powerful things too quickly

(stego and deino)