general-feedback-discussion

[mild token]

There is no speedometer

[hoary dawn]

that is actually pretty good

it'd be cool if there was a huge intrusive bar to show your growth

[mild token]

My idea is this simple one.

Only reason I put red at hunger was because the colours worked well together, same with blue and water, and orange was left with stam.

[hoary dawn]

no speedometer

[mild token]

I was thinking on putting together air and call since you need air to call out.
But I decided against that idea of mine putting this together.

If I did put those two together we would need more air i'm sure.

[sick pond]

why is the hunger bar covered in blood

[hoary dawn]

internal bleeding

[mild token]

It's not blood

I was told that "lipids are yellow, carbs are blue, proteins are red"

[honest sparrow]

that would be neat

[sick pond]

why would you want a bunch of big colorful areas, the ui shouldn't be super eye catching

the current test ui is fine because they're just smaller shapes

[mild token]

I did them transparent.

[sick pond]

they're red, yellow and blue actually

[mild token]

?

[sick pond]

the nutrients in your concept

[mild token]

You do know it's not an final concept, right?

[sick pond]

also it's harder to check everything out at a glance if you're layering things over each other

[honest sparrow]

why would the nutrients cover up stamina and water as well

[mild token]

I will just let you try and understand my suggestion.

[sick pond]

some discussion smh

[mild token]

Well you don't seems to understand the idea, and it's not set in stone.

[sick pond]

what don't I understand about it

[mild token]

The idea

[sick pond]

what am I missing

[feral solstice]

Sounds like they don’t know how to explain it lol

[sick pond]

they're just saying i'm missing something, but won't tell me what i'm missing

[mild token]

Well if you can make an better UI suggestion, then do it.

[feral solstice]

Still no explanation

https://tenor.com/view/kekwtf-gif-18599263

[mild token]

I'm trying to tell you but you don't seems to get it sadly

[sick pond]

I don't think I need to make my own suggestion to criticize yours lol

[mild token]

No idea to try and explain I guess.

No one want to listen.

[feral solstice]

Hun, the only things you’ve said like a broken record are “Please, understand my suggestion. You aren’t understanding my suggestion. I’ll let you understand my suggestion” but hey, people are people 😁

Gday

[karmic plank]

Personally not a fan of any UI I've seen so far, including the new one

Bilbos is probably the nicest looking, but it's a bit unintuitive for many players

[sick pond]

new ui def needs to be thought out a bit more

like the nutrients just being slapped on there is really scuffed

[karmic plank]

When you have bars with primary colours people assume those colours will match other elements, and they just don't

There's no point even a having the coloured at all tbh

[sick pond]

like my only idea is having the nutrients layer in the actual stomach of the hunger ui, kinda like how valheim does food. but that's not even a super good idea

[karmic plank]

There may be scent elements which makes it more intuitive, like the green will be flecked with blue for carbs, but it's still meh

[mild token]

What does valheim look like?

[sick pond]

the boxes are good because it tells a player that you need exactly three nutrients

not making it ambiguous is good

the one above the fork is the one i'm talking about

[karmic plank]

Like why not just have the stomach icon divided up into vertical sections with each nutrient? All the base colour for trash food, and tinted for good food, and all the tinted sections go down

Yeah, like valheim

[sick pond]

that's what i mean

[karmic plank]

Valheim is complex but easy to understand and figure out

[sick pond]

that would be great, but how do you tell that to new/inexperienced players

[karmic plank]

Valheim is way more intuitive than TI

[sick pond]

like with all these mechanics being added an in-game tutorial or guide is necessary

[hoary dawn]

how about we just combine all the bars together, that way its nice and condensed

[karmic plank]

If you need a guide then you've failed a core test of UI design imo

[sick pond]

true

[karmic plank]

Good games have natural introductions and tutorials. Great games are intuitive and work how you expect them to

[mild token]

Hm, not too bad.
The colours almost melt together there, but I see.

Btw, are the colours related to the images on the left of it?

[karmic plank]

Yes

[sick pond]

they are, but that's not important in regards to the isle

[karmic plank]

The images are the food you've eaten, and they stack up the same. So you eat a blueberry, you see the icon appear, and the bar with it, and you go "Oh so that's what blueberry does"

[mild token]

If TI does that, I hope they make sure we can tell the colours apart.

[sick pond]

but the isle having a tutorial will only be more important in the future

[karmic plank]

Valheim does an excellent job of giving you natural information and just helping you to figure out everything for yourself

[sick pond]

well they do give you a tutorial via that one raven

[mild token]

I would have to look at some videos of that game then

[sick pond]

but what's good about it is it's in the game, not a huge block of text type guide

[karmic plank]

Most really good games have intuitive stuff like that. Most of your rogue-lites do it well too

They can have incredibly complex mechanics and interactions but because it's intuitive and natural it's not like reading a 747 manual to figure out

[sick pond]

true, games like that are definitely what the devs should be looking at tutorial wise. survival games skew towards intrusive pop-up menus and manuals

[karmic plank]

The Forest is another good example

[sick pond]

I just don't want a monster hunter situation where everything is incomprehensible for newbies

[karmic plank]

It has heaps of crafting and stuff but you can happily figure it out as you go along and most of the time things work how you expect

[mild token]

The Forest is a nice game

[karmic plank]

I think a good UI is important for immersion too

[mild token]

Yeah

I've never tried to do one before, 1st try

[karmic plank]

One of the things I loved about Dead Space is they didn't have any UI elements at all, really

Your health was visible on your character

[sick pond]

it is difficult for perfectly immersive ui for the isle in particular.

[karmic plank]

Same with Astroneer

[sick pond]

like the whole experience is putting yourself in the mind of an animal, they don't have suits with indicator lights or survival guides

[karmic plank]

True, it's a lot harder, but that should still be the goal imo

[sick pond]

you're right

[karmic plank]

In an ideal world we'd be able to tell our health, stamina, hydration all from how our dinos look/sound

Blood too

And have the player sheet give exact numbers

[paper oriole]

cram it all together

now it is a nice wad of paper in the corner of the screen

[limber hull]

@shell willow I agree, I think sleeping should be far more complex and interesting. Honestly, I think a very slow energy decay to max stamina could exist that you can only heal off by sleeping (think exhaustion). Should be slow enough to be barely noticeable for the mostpart. Something like that tbh

[karmic plank]

Miragaia assuming you are making those, can you knock up one with Valheim style food bar in the stomach icon?

[paper oriole]

i made that one maybe i can edit it lol

[sick pond]

I could probably edit one if you have the base ui

[paper oriole]

i just stole the ui from the suggestion to edit it

what does the valhelm style food bar look like

[karmic plank]

If I wasn't a total ludite with all thi g graphical I'd make an animation showing how it depletes too

[karmic plank]

@paper oriole this one

Each coloured part of the bar is something you ate, and they all shrink as that food is digested

[paper oriole]

so the nutrients are on the side bar next to the primary hunger? are they supposed to equalize out to balance them?

[karmic plank]

In Valheim your Max health is based on your food

Different foods give different bonuses

So something hard to get and make (like meta stew) gives more than something cheap and easy (like blueberries)

The size of each section shows how much hp they are giving you

[sick pond]

just a quick thing I whipped

up

[karmic plank]

Yeah, like that

[sick pond]

the default colored food just kinda fills up the stomach

[paper oriole]

something like tht could work for mercs if there are different tiers of food like gathered foods, canned foods and simple crafted foods

[sick pond]

reducing the space for actually good food

[paper oriole]

mercs would probably have a totally different ui than dinos

[karmic plank]

Grazing and crappy food just gives the bland teal colour, special foods give the nice colours and give positive diet buffs

[paper oriole]

so a valhelm style food bat could work really well for mercs i think

[karmic plank]

But not for dinos?

[paper oriole]

it could probably work there as well yeah, but i was thinking like if mercs had different complex tiers of food

like canned beans vs roasted boar

[sick pond]

I mean I don't see why humans wouldn't have different quality foods

[karmic plank]

Mercs will mostly be eating pre-packaged meals I think, tribals will probably have to make their own

[paper oriole]

maybe, i wonder if cannibals will cook or just go gollum on dinos

[sick pond]

good example, a MRE would be a more balanced food compared to dino meat cooked over a fire

[karmic plank]

If it was me I'd have both available but cooked food gives better nutrition

And yeah MREs and the like are the Gucci shit that you go hunting airdrops for

[sick pond]

yeah

[paper oriole]

so if there are different tiers like canned foods<gathered foods<prepared foods i think the valhelm bar can work great for humans and/or tribals especially well

the more complex/fresh food is higher quality even if it yields similar nutrients

[sick pond]

I don't thing it should be exactly like valheim

[karmic plank]

It wouldn't quite be as intuitive as valheim, because the size of the bar doesn't convey the quality of the food

I think the saturation should maybe show that. Grey foods are crap, strong coloured foods are good

[sick pond]

and I think humans, tribals and dinosaurs having the same system would be the best

[karmic plank]

And instead of having like carbs 0-300% maybe you get no UI element until you have been missing that thing for long enough to debuff you

Kinda like blood

[paper oriole]

considering i can just open the character menu for half a second to keep tabs on such things before i start to suffer it wouldnt bother me personally

[karmic plank]

Then if you hover your mouse over the icon it tells you what foods give that

Other things like, when sniffing, foods with the nutrients you are missing are brighter or otherwise highlighted would be good too

[outer mauve]

Trial and error hunting. When you have figured out what Dino feeds you best it’s simple.

[swift dew]

"think its annoying how utahs only pounce and bite, and how deinos only lunge, or how stegos only use their tail"

is essentially what that thing is saying

[meager tiger]

I mean

isn't that there main form of attack

[paper oriole]

Would it be better if everybody spammed lmb on eachothers asses like legacy lol

At least the offensive abilities like lunge and pounce have some level of complexity to them

[swift dew]

the tailslam and kick have quite a bit of complexity to them too, cc was never a thing in legacy

[paper oriole]

To be fair tenonto is a brawler so he should be more complex than a slow defender, his moves can be considered offensive

I hope more brawler dinos are as complex as teno down the line

[karmic plank]

This is very unlikely to change - they have been pretty firm on each dino having one gimmick/special ability, and that ability being a core part of their gameplay

Teno is probably unlikely to be matched any time soon

The planned roster is just too big to have multiple unique mechanics for everything. Some will obviously be more unique than others - Herra, Troodon - but most will be more like utah/carno with just one

[meager tiger]

I'm ok with repeats. It's THE dinosaur game. I want ALL the dinosaurs

someone suggested "Species Skins"

same dino stats and shit

just a different model

[karmic plank]

I think that's a great idea personally

[meager tiger]

things that behave simliar could have 95% stats in common

and just a different model

[karmic plank]

Like utahraptor/dekotaraptor could just be 2 different skins

Maybe different final weights, growth times

But they can talk to each other and hunt together

[meager tiger]

maybe deko is like 5% faster topspeed but acceratles 5% slower. Small things to make them different enough where people have a favorite

[swift dew]

ik, I was showing how dumb of what the person in #general-feedback said is because they said its annoying that tenonto is using its special ability and not the claw attack

[meager tiger]

but not a whole lot of effort will go into "clones"

[karmic plank]

Oh right. That's extra silly because good tenos use claws all the time lol

[meager tiger]

Teno's main weapon should be the tail? i mean look at the size of the thing lol

its like saying a trex uses its mouth alot is bad

like bruh

[karmic plank]

But yeah. Subspecies as skins with some stat variations is a great way to have lots of choices without making it impossible to find your own species anywhere

[meager tiger]

I agree

[paper oriole]

Good carnos can still hunt tenos too it doesnt need a nerf just because some carni players are bad and some other herbi players approch people expecting fellow leaf eater to be friendly

[meager tiger]

Skins and small stat variations

[karmic plank]

I've been killed by a good carno as a Teno, but they were insanely good while I'm mediocre, And I was still injured from the last fight

It's not balanced at all

[meager tiger]

maybe on the species select screen some of them have subspecies options

[karmic plank]

Yeah exactly

[paper oriole]

I could see dako draining a but less stam when it pounces since it has feathers and trading that in for something else being reduced. Thats only assuming the alt akin would act as the feather skin though

[meager tiger]

how do feathers drain less stam for pouncing

[paper oriole]

Better balance

[meager tiger]

how about it resists cold better

[karmic plank]

Or less stam drain while pounced

[meager tiger]

and skin guys resist heat more

[paper oriole]

Temperature mechanics typically only become an annoyance

[karmic plank]

Or slower hunger rate (insulation?)

[meager tiger]

yeah

conserve heat more

so less hunger drain

but maybe they need more nutrients or food

since feathers sound more expensive to grow

than scales

[karmic plank]

People will assume feathers = faster but idk

As long as it isn't silly things like "this one grows faster but is weaker"

[meager tiger]

no

I meant upkeep

[paper oriole]

Feathers could increase agility because dinos use their psuedo wings for balance too

[karmic plank]

Actually that's a really good point. Agility would be a great stat to vary

Give them faster turn rates maybe better pounce and dismount aiming

[meager tiger]

what do skins guys get

[karmic plank]

In exchange for lower overall stam maybe, or something like that

[paper oriole]

Agility in exchange for idk, less bleed resistance from lack of scale layer. Idk, could be anything

Bleed resist is kind of useless for raptors

[meager tiger]

Scale needs to beat feather

[paper oriole]

So it probably isnt a good tradeoff

[meager tiger]

in someway

[paper oriole]

Scales make the skin tougher

Maybe

[meager tiger]

so more health?

[karmic plank]

Maybe. If tenos and carnos weren't effectively one shorting you bleed would matter more

[paper oriole]

Or more bleed heal/resist

[karmic plank]

Deko being 400 kg and Utah 500 kg would make sense to me

[meager tiger]

thats a pretty big jump for a sub species

[paper oriole]

Utah doesnt look anywhere near the 500kg animal it is based on, would need brick bones to look good at that

Its still a scrawny animal

[karmic plank]

I'm assuming it would be bulked out a bit

Lots of people want Utah less scrawny

[meager tiger]

why dont you guys like weather/temperature

[paper oriole]

If it was, then sure, the current raptor is disgusting and stringy

[meager tiger]

we are animals?

we bask?

[paper oriole]

Temperature just feels like a unnecessary burden to me

[karmic plank]

I sort of like it but it's one too many things to have to worry about

[meager tiger]

we dont live near fire

or have a shelter

[karmic plank]

Plus we are talking about big warm blooded creatures on a tropical island

[paper oriole]

Like diets already dictating me to travel, but what if it is too warm or cold where i need to go? There would always be come agitating issue

[meager tiger]

tropical islands have 2 seasons i thought

dry and wet

[paper oriole]

Yeah and that could be done relatively easy i think

[meager tiger]

dry, not alot of water, not alot of plants,

[paper oriole]

With pre determined areas that flood and dry up

[karmic plank]

Dry and wet make sense but having lived in the tropics... You never get cold haha

[paper oriole]

Because when floods are random you get BoB with tons of trees and bushes underwater looking silly

[karmic plank]

Even soaking wet its at most uncomfortable, no where near cold enough to cause stat debuffs. And the bugger you get the less susceptible you are to cold

[paper oriole]

Yeah this shouldnt be like ark where you can be on an obvious tropical florida vacation biome and freeze to death because you dont have a shirt

[meager tiger]

go jump into the river naked at 60 degrees and come out. You cannot go inside a hosue or anything. Now imagine if you are lukewarm or cold blodded animal?

[karmic plank]

I think we can be pretty confident that they are intending to add weather and dry/wet periods - we got to see two water levels in the test server the other day

[meager tiger]

A croc has to bask

[karmic plank]

God knows how deino will survive in the dry though, half of swamp river was shallow or missing

[meager tiger]

Bro

crocs are built to resist diasters

they can go weeks without food

[paper oriole]

Irl, but in game theyd be pickings for terrestrial superpredators

[meager tiger]

they littarly survived the exticntion event

EZ

[karmic plank]

Crocs can, and deino IRL could, but our deino couldn't

[paper oriole]

And aggro herbis

Trike sees a deino in a dry riverbed “it's kebab time”

[meager tiger]

only a desperate carnivore is gonna pick a fight with a 8 ton monster

?

[paper oriole]

Free rex food or forced into densely populated cannibal death pits

[paper oriole]

8 ton monster that is designed to ambush from the water, not brawl on land

[karmic plank]

Except that's all that happens at pond at haha, everyone sits around fishing for deinos

[meager tiger]

I don't understand

[karmic plank]

I've grown multiple Utah and carnos off of dead deino at pond

[meager tiger]

every nature documentary I watch about crocs and prehsitoric crocs, during droughts no animal is stupid enough to pick a fight with a croc sitting in the dried mud pool

[paper oriole]

Thats irl

Animals dont want to risk injury irl

[karmic plank]

If deino was realistic they'd basically one shot everything

[paper oriole]

Also hippos still fuck them up, consider rex to be a hippo

Rex or any other terrestrial powerhouse

[meager tiger]

hippos have there own problems during a drought lol

wait

trex uses water and food faster

it picks a fightwith a croc

[paper oriole]

Unless the animal specifically designed to be a water based ambusher gets a dumb and illogical buff during droughts it will be in a bad state during that time

[meager tiger]

loses half health maybe

now its gotta use double water intake

to recover

and risk dehyration

blood loss

[karmic plank]

Anyway: I like your idea about damage resistance or bleed resistance as subspecies differentiation but atm HP = weight = blood pool and there's been no mention of an intent to change that

[meager tiger]

so the trex is stupid

yeah you won

[karmic plank]

I think deino is only going to get harder with the new map

[meager tiger]

but now you got like 5% water

during a drought

congrats

[paper oriole]

However i can see lakes still being inhabitable to deinos during drought considering we get some

It would just be a cannibal pit though

[meager tiger]

and?

[paper oriole]

And what

Just saying it would be

[karmic plank]

Have you seen new pond and new mid lake? They are already going to be that lol

[meager tiger]

oh

all im saying is

[karmic plank]

Literally completely isolated from other waterways

[meager tiger]

crocs are superior

guessed whose been living on this planet for like 100 million years

and still alive

XD

[karmic plank]

Atm only swamp will be inhabitable at low tide

Unless deino gets a massive buff

[meager tiger]

make deino food and water go down 3x slower

ez

[karmic plank]

Food yes, water no

[meager tiger]

deal

[karmic plank]

Sweet if you could get on that, that'd be great

[meager tiger]

deino can drink mud puddles lol

they eat rocks so i dont see a problem with drinking mud sludge

[karmic plank]

Seems reasonable to me

[meager tiger]

that new mud pond picture. Im just imagining during the drought theres 20 crocs all trying to sruvive and constant brawling because everyones agiated

[karmic plank]

Issue still remains they get pretty outclassed on land and can't wallow

And we don't want old land croc deino back

[meager tiger]

safety in numbers. Maybe they lay large batches of eggs

so no matter how many die

theres like 20 more

survival isnt all about combat

deino on land is outclassed

but it resists extreme weather much easier

doesnt need constant food intake

hatches out like 3x the amount of young

takes care of them all

like i said, they survived the extnction so proves to show they have something going for them

that not alot of other animals have

[karmic plank]

Deino should have way lower food requirements for its size, for sure. They have to wait for food to come to them (fish aside), it's only fair that as a trade off they shouldn't need as much as something that can actually hunt properly

Especially when there's more safe drinking spots than ever before in U4

Nobody will ever get lunged

All around pond is safe, new lake at mid, new little lake down south west, shallows are still all shalloe

[meager tiger]

i think it'll get better when they add other aquatics

the goose zilla

the duck penguin claw guy

spino

etc

[karmic plank]

I'm not so sure. Jace is doing an amazing job of making the map beautiful and engaging and unique but deino are getting screwed hard

And being able to wade does not a predator make

[meager tiger]

they should have a large river cutting the island in half

maybe a bridge

[karmic plank]

Yup, with a swamp in the middle where deino grow

[meager tiger]

but feeding grounds are seperated

[karmic plank]

100%

[meager tiger]

so the animals ahve to cross every so often

either the bridge

or the river

[karmic plank]

Or food spawns move through the week so you need to make migrations

[meager tiger]

idk if its because dryo is small

but the plants take awhile to fully consume

[karmic plank]

It's hard to be critical of the map because Jace's work looks so good but we really need an entirely new layout

[meager tiger]

I want large herbivores to be able to clear out a area

food wise

[karmic plank]

And the more that gets invested into this one the less likely we are to get that

[meager tiger]

and are forced to move

[karmic plank]

We need someone talented to do a sketch of a new map that focuses on balance and using land features to break up the map betfer

[meager tiger]

it'll make players cluster together and migrate

since there will be deadzones

and canrviores can track down herds

currently the game feels too "solo"

yeah im a animal

but i see no reason to group up with someone

when theres food everywhere

idk

like why do elk or zerbas group up

when they coudl easily just find there own patches of grass all seperated

[karmic plank]

Same reason teno do, safety in numbers

Same reason zebra hang out with water buffalo

[unreal ridge]

But they don’t hang out together

The whole reason zebras have safety in numbers is because while one of you gets eaten the rest escape

Cape Buffalo protect each other in the herd (like calves and cows) and leave other animals behind

[unreal ridge]

It’s because if you live in a herd it’s harder to single out a target that way if a carnivore does attack your neighbors child gets eaten instead of you

[karmic plank]

They get pretty close around watering holes

A lot closer than any predators do, anyway

[barren zephyr]

@gilded jacinth Might be added in some QoL update in the future.

if not, I can 100% see modders adding this in

even if Filipe wont like it. I think it's a nice little addition

[gilded jacinth]

Yeah it's be pretty cool!

[gilded jacinth]

Would be cool if we could have moments like this sometimes but no everyone gotta pvp

Cause sometimes irl prey will approach predators and they just sorta hang out and neither one dies

[paper oriole]

It does happen in game at times but usually it also involves toxic mixpacking lol

[gilded jacinth]

What's the line between, just hanging out, and toxic mixpacking. Cause I suggested an idea where pteranodon could get some food by cleaning deino teeth and could be interesting for trust between species and people got upset over mixpacking

[paper oriole]

Mix packing is when the two parties are actively helping eachother, usually in PvP. I have seen opposing parties just chill out and be neutral before though but that seems to be uncommon compared to mix packing

As long as they aren’t working together to gain an unfair advantage over others in PvP i don’t think symbiotic relationships would be all that bad though

[karmic plank]

They happen but then certain people start crying about "mixpack ugh cringe" or "pond tea party omegalol"

Lots of chill moments happen at pond

usually when everyone pulls together to hunt deinos

I try to predate neighbourly, if that makes sense

only hunt when hungry or no immediate source of food

and don't kill babies that aren't going to give you anything

but this patch you need to eat so much that it's pretty rare to have that sort of luxury

[gilded jacinth]

Sometimes I just wanna sit down as a carno when I'm not hungry and if a baby stego sits by me I don't wanna be yelled at for mixpacking.

[karmic plank]

I'd like the think troodons and other small specialist predators could have uneasy alliances with big predators, especially once gore is here

[gilded jacinth]

I hope troodon could be like a raccoon

Raid trash cans, steal food from tribal dinos, stuff like dat

[karmic plank]

basically golem

[gilded jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-stealing-thief-stealing-food-food-theif-gif-18287494

[urban flax]

I could see small carnivores like troodon or velo hanging around big herbi herds too

[karmic plank]

possibly, though like old utahs hanging around stego the herbies will probably get worried about babies being nabbed

[urban flax]

true
But I think even an adult velo would hardly pose a threat to a baby trike

[karmic plank]

if I was a small predator I would love to hang near big fat herbies and hope they got in a fight

[gilded jacinth]

I believe that's something actual animals do

[lavish quail]

What do people think about my goblin suggestion

[paper oriole]

what one

[gilded jacinth]

Huh?

[meager tiger]

I remeber I played austro in legacy and followed a rex around. When the rex got into a fight with a shant and the shant died, I would quickly eat it while he was getting a drink lol

[covert crypt]

why i can't find servers in QA version?

[urban flax]

@unique birch The Legacy version of the game is no longer being worked on

[nimble thistle]

@barren zephyr technically we are spawning as juvies. Hatchlings are just not in the game yet.

[ashen wasp]

monkey ai sounds unviable..... i know-- we'll give em guns and loot and armor-- but the items will drop onto/ be hidden around the map to encourage the ai to move around.

plus a community-led lore-based overarching mystery to balance out the core survival elements

we could make a playable out of this

[crude girder]

they are correct, hatchlings are even smaller

and also you do not spawn as them

[unreal ridge]

but they dont protect each other

as soon as lions or hyenas show up zebras make like a tree and gtfo

who would you choose to fight , the guy whose already booking it for the hills or the guy staying still looking at you

[hoary dawn]

"This may deserve a pin"

[sick pond]

I like the banansa

[barren zephyr]

I need help, i got hacked and the hacker spammed links everywhere, and i got banned from this server can someone please unban, i didn't do anything i contacted discord to help me out and i got rid of it, i didn't do anything

[icy lion]

Contact a senior admin

[barren zephyr]

how

[icy lion]

They're listed on the right side of discord

[barren zephyr]

do i just dm them?

[icy lion]

Yup

[barren zephyr]

thank you

[olive wing]

Hm damn I’ve been stuck in queue for an hour

[haughty pendant]

i got a question, does anyone know if theres a map anywhere so i can know how to get to the swamps/whatever an arid is?

[shrewd sphinx]

Arid is the plains area, normally in in center between shallows, radio, and by center river.

Has anyone been able to find Mountain Ash?

[hoary dawn]

that is a really good doc

[hoary dawn]

the only dinos that should have ai counterparts are things like brachi that dont require complex behaviors

a player brachi and an ai would act pretty much the same

[paper oriole]

Most terrestrial birds would just be fodder to utahs, i think only 2 modern birds can run at speeds high enough to outpace utahraptor

Boars already seem like kinda fodder to adult utahs if they dont get fixed

We shouldnt have too many fodder animals making things a cakewalk for predators

[limber hull]

I like the fodder animals being what they are

Smaller creatures

Like, a rabbit is fine imo because of its size

It is not ever going to feed a pack of utahs

A teno, however

Absolutely will feed a pack of utahs

[paper oriole]

Rabbits can also be a challenge because they are small brown animals who can vanish very easily

The current tenonto and boar ai is pretty fodder rn

Tenonto short circuits if there is more than one target and boars are walking christmas hams that might give an adult utah a paper cut

Irl wild boars can reach upwards of 40-50kmh depending on the type

[limber hull]

I can agree that the speed of the animal AI is weird

They move pretty damn fast in nature, you'd be lucky to consistently catch a rabbit

Meanwhile as a young teno I can run and kill a rabbit pretty simply

[paper oriole]

Rabbits should be a lot more of a challenge than that yeah

If a terrestrial bird got added like in the suggestion a rhea may work but it depends on the lore location of the island, i dont think terrestrial birds are really necessary

[limber hull]

(I still believe that more work should be put into making more interesting/realistic ambient AI rather than fixing the plethora of issues with dino AI but eh)

[sacred moat]

um, im actually curious about the deino being in the mud sink holes. Wouldnt that be bad for deino? im not too sure how mud sink holes actually function. But wouldnt the deino sink at the bottom and be stuck?

[paper oriole]

He may be able to propel himself out with his big ass tail and streamlined body but idk

[limber hull]

Yes it would sink to the bottom but I'm pretty sure all mud pools are on a slope kind of deal idk

[sacred moat]

ahhhh

okay yeah

[limber hull]

So it could just walk on the bottom till it reaches the edge

And climb out

[sacred moat]

i hope they add like actual holes and not just slopes for each one

[eternal veldt]

Where would one post about holes in the map? And I am talking the 'I've fallen and I can't get up' kind of holes.

[eternal veldt]

Aaand I fell into a second one.

[paper oriole]

Why repost literally a day after the initial post, seems a bit early

[urban flax]

@barren zephyr This is the legacy version of the game and there is no point in complaining about it, since it's no longer being worked on.

[paper oriole]

lol why are they so aggressive

Like damn

[barren zephyr]

It's a very easy fix. It's the default game, regardless of whether it's legacy or not. This is what they see when they buy the game.

[paper oriole]

Such angry feedback

If they alter one thing in legacy it causes a domino effect

The code is a jumbled mess there

[barren zephyr]

It's just changing one value in unreal egine tbh

[urban flax]

No, it's not an easy fix, and that's why they decided to remake the game. Shadows are like this because they broke last patch when they tried to fix a totally unrelated problem. That's called "spaghetti code".

And it's not gonna remain the default game for long since the recode will replace it soon enough

[barren zephyr]

This would make sense if they're making the game from scratch. But as far as i'm aware, this is built in unreal engine.

As a person who knows how to use unreal, it's quite an easy fix.

Unless i'm missing something

[paper oriole]

If it was that simple then i doubt it would have been messed up to begin with

[urban flax]

The fact they're still using uthe same engine doesn't mean they're not redoing it from scratch
Which they are doing, actually. They literally are redoing the game from scratch.

[barren zephyr]

What i'm saying is, people are still playing the legacy version and the latter is built in unreal. So from what i can see, they're being lazy and have totally abandoned that version.

[paper oriole]

Why waste time on that version? They are not lazy

[urban flax]

It's not being lazy, it's not wasting time on a game version that is impossible to work with

[paper oriole]

They just dont want to waste time fixing an outdated version that is planned to be deleted

Plus this happened when they were trying to patch a totally unrelated issue, meaning it isnt as simple of a problem as you think it is

If they tried to fix it they could unintentionally cause another problem, like idk maybe somehow theyd make hitboxes worse or water would launch you through the map, the code is super volatile

[barren zephyr]

https://youtu.be/BGoaPyfZlYg?t=140

[paper oriole]

Again if it was that simple of an issue here i doubt it would have gotten fucked up when they made what ever change before due to the china hack servers or whatever

It dominoed with something else

[barren zephyr]

Well i hope the new update drops soon

[paper oriole]

Why would they go out of their way to also cause another totally unrelated problem

[barren zephyr]

It's not fun at all playing like this, you have to turn on night vision during day to properly see what's in the shadows

[urban flax]

Understanding the standard mechanics of unreal engine and working with a complex game with a lot of features and, as I repeat, coded in spaghetti, are two different things. That's like understanding how a car engine works and then trying to fix a plane

If devs didn't understand that "simple issue" they wouldn't have made a game in the first place, they'd still be stuck with empty assets and a non-working game

[urban flax]

Just switch to evrima already, you'll have more fun
And next update will drop very soon btw

[barren zephyr]

That makes no sense. If it's a custom engine, it would make sense to not fix something like this if it leads to more issues. Adding o to that, i dont think they made the lighting engine from scratch. If they're using the engine presets and tools, it's an easy fix.

[urban flax]

So it makes more sense to you that devs who don't even know how to work with lightning are now making a perfectly working game with one of the best lightings we've seen in videogames so far ?

[barren zephyr]

Yeah that's the only option now.

[barren zephyr]

Lighting in unreal is as simple as dragging in like...two premade assets and playing with the values. It's not rocket science.

[ashen elm]

I think ur missing the point of spaghetti code

It's not working as intended so even simple things get broken

[urban flax]

You just refuse to understand at this point

[ashen elm]

There is a reason Legacy is abandoned

[barren zephyr]

I understand your point. What i'm trying to say is that, the actual game code and the lighting system in UE are independent. One is done by the devs with engine library assistance and other by the engine.

[paper oriole]

Waant the last patch them trying to stop chinese hackers from using hypers and stuff? Something totally unrelated and it somehow fucked up shadows, it isnt that hard to understand that the code is a minefield of disasters waiting to happen if its touched

[barren zephyr]

Unless they have messed with the engine code, it shouldn't matter.

[urban flax]

How do you explain Legacy and Evrima's lighting don't work the same way then ?

[barren zephyr]

Well, because redid everything from scratch ?

[urban flax]

But not the lighting, according to you, since it's part of the engine

[barren zephyr]

Yeah and that's why they fixed it in Evrima

They screwed up big time with the legacy version and decided to redo the whole thing in a newer engine version with much cleaner code.(probably)

[paper oriole]

Yeah so thats why it isnt worth fixing shadows in legacy

[barren zephyr]

Lighting isn't the only thing that sucks in legacy, there's a ton of other optimisation issues afterall

So ig it makes sense

[urban flax]

But you understand taht they're not worth fixing either

[paper oriole]

And if they try to fix any one of those issues they will create more

[barren zephyr]

i'm not talking about if it's worth fixing

[urban flax]

Wasn't that the point of your feedback ?

[barren zephyr]

I'm saying, while it's still the default version of the game that you get out of the store, it would make sense to try to fix it instead of abandoning it completely

[urban flax]

What would make more sense would be to switch evrima to the main branch and delete legacy

[paper oriole]

They cant fix it

What they should do is make evrima the default version instead

[ashen elm]

A former dev nuked the code. That's why it's a mess and a minefield.

[barren zephyr]

Because the new update has been in beta for the longest time and if i was a new player buying the game now, i'd be turned off.

[barren zephyr]

Damn. So other than being lazy, the devs seem to be careless too

[paper oriole]

???

[urban flax]

Yes the game is in a weird spot right now, but nothing but time can fix that. That's what happens when you have to abandon a game mid-development to replace it by another one

[ashen elm]

[paper oriole]

You go make a better game then bud

[barren zephyr]

Oh don't worry, it's in the works buddy

[ashen elm]

Lul

[paper oriole]

[ashen elm]

So many isles clones so much bad games

[paper oriole]

Go play path of bermuda beasts 9500 or something

[barren zephyr]

I didnt say anything about an Isle clone. As much as i hate the condition of the game right now, it's still a good game(USED TO BE)

[paper oriole]

Make up your mind lmao

[ashen elm]

Hmm well as much as people feel otherwise, Legacy is effectively a ghost. They won't touch it

[barren zephyr]

I can suspend my disbelief and have fun in the game, i dont really care about graphics anyway. That doesnt change the fact that i'm still pissed at the devs.

[paper oriole]

“I dont care” yet you made a rude and unnecessarily condescending feedback about it

But go on

[barren zephyr]

"I dont care" because even if the shadows are trash, the game is still there. I can still hang out with friends.

[meager tiger]

brontosaursurus should be added

screw magy

magy should be added after release

[urban flax]

Magy should have been the first dino to be added

[meager tiger]

how will we make it compete with medium to large carnoviores

on paper a slow moving dwarf saurpod doesnt really have a chance

[urban flax]

You don't understand
Once there is magy there is no need to implement medium to large carnivores
It lived alone on Hatzg island, so it can live alone in The Isle too
Let it be a game about humans, tribals and magys

[meager tiger]

ok

[paper oriole]

Make magy spawn on some tiny island in the corner of the map away from everything else because its a bad animal

But cerato should be able to drive merc boats over to kick its ass

[mystic falcon]

Devs should have deleted Legacy the moment they started Evrima, regardless of how small the roster was and how little gameplay there was in the beta. Still more playable than Legacy. And this massive split playerbase isn't helping the game any.

[swift dew]

how to kill a game, 101

[sacred moat]

Magys only preferred diet is grass

[primal spear]

Hello guys! When swimming now the body is too far out of the water. I found it much more realistic before, when bodies sank deeper. Do you have the same impression too?

[meager tiger]

Teno should be able to swim faster. It's got essentially a large long paddle for a tail

[urban flax]

@digital plank

[digital plank]

huh

[sacred moat]

im not sure how to respond to that suggestion without either saying be better at hiding yourself or get better at defending yourself.

because thats all KOSing boils down to really

especially if both of parties are the same species

[digital plank]

yeah that makes sense

its just that my friend dcs constantly because of KOS and its annoying

[sacred moat]

As in they disconnect due to some type of server performance or the disconnect due to being KOS

[paper oriole]

most ‘cannibals’ are KFSers so it would barely make a dent if diets dont already fix it

[rare fractal]

I'm sorry but I feel the need to acknowledge the perfection of this comment

[digital plank]

always kos he hates it so much

[meager tiger]

Who would win Magy vs Titanboa

Battle of the misfits

[paper oriole]

Magy trips on titanboa and both die

[meager tiger]

Lol

[rare fractal]

Titano goes for the head, fully swallowing the unfortunate sauropod up the the shoulder. Unfortunately Magy's super duper incredibly mega ouchy sharp neck osteoderms slice open the throat of the giant snake, drowning both in titano's blood.

[sacred moat]

Well the only advice I can give is to avoid players that you don’t know/hide from things that you deem as a threat/or practice PVP more on private servers that give you admin when joining

[paper oriole]

that hexagon setup looks so messy lol

[rare fractal]

I've never been a fan of the hexagonal aesthetic they have for the ui, it doesn't match anything else and just feels inconsistent

[paper oriole]

yeah hexagons just feel wrong to me

it works in like a hightec scifi game but not so much for a dinosaur game

[strange wave]

@barren zephyr could always be worse

[barren zephyr]

THATS SO FUCKING DISTURBING WHHY

[karmic plank]

Remember that the lore is you are some techo in a shipping container remote controlling a dinosaur, so it Is a bit Sci fi

But I agree, it doesn't fit

[paper oriole]

It is scifi yeah but i mean like

Mecha stuff, spaceships, high tech scifi. Hexagons would fit that aesthetic more

This is more bio science scifi

[karmic plank]

The problem is now the UI is both unintuitive And ugly

Like trading one for the other, sure

But

[paper oriole]

Yeah i dont understand the choice to go with that, hopefully theyre just trying things out and its subject to change soon

[karmic plank]

Valheim's GUI is ugly but very functional and intuitive

[paper oriole]

If they can find a sweet spot between functionality and visual appeal it'd be great

[karmic plank]

If it was up to me I'd get rid of most of it, put it all in the tab menu in easy to understand boxes, and communicate all your needs through queues in game

Like - getting thirsty, maybe you start panting and rasping or something, and water scent appears stronger

Get popups for serious status effects like bleed and such

The colour and effects for food bush scent vary based on how hungry you are, and how much of that bushes nutrients you are missing

[paper oriole]

Utha

[karmic plank]

?

[paper oriole]

Just the suggestion

[velvet sundial]

@idle ibex Yeah, it seems like this game is made for rtx only

[idle ibex]

heres the thing

i live in europe

and when i was playing on the eu servers of update 4

i got an insane amount of lag

[velvet sundial]

Have had that too, but it seems they fixed it. I only get lags when sniffing. The australian server works as well when you are in europe

@idle ibex They don't even want to get the dv testlevel back, which usually gives good performance even on low end systems. They are too afraid to make it one of their official maps, lol

[feral solstice]

[hoary dawn]

3 hour cooldown for a memes channel is not a good idea

also idk if isle memes are the cure for depression

[barren zephyr]

theyre not

im in therapy

but when im lying in bed for days, memes will lighten up my mood

also why is 3 h cool down not a good idea?

[hoary dawn]

yea but memes about the isle though? there are funnier things to meme about

[barren zephyr]

did you see the memes in the old meme channel thoß

[hoary dawn]

yes

very few of them were actually funny

[barren zephyr]

I think insider memes are gold

only in the end tho

[paper oriole]

90% of that shit was danger rex and ben spam lol

[barren zephyr]

na

[paper oriole]

Ya

[hoary dawn]

the best part of isle memes was making dumb shit and sharing it

[barren zephyr]

there was like pretty much in the middle a time where there where actuall good memes

[paper oriole]

Oh yeah and dilodog spam

And anything else done to death in the matter of a day

[barren zephyr]

that was fun tho

but how are you gonna spam with a cooldown

tell me that

[hoary dawn]

isle memes was fun, not funny, but fun

[paper oriole]

3hr cd may as well just post in offtopic

[sonic oyster]

Hey guys. Can anyone tell me if the mechanic test is over? are the servers down?

[hoary dawn]

3 hour cooldown gets rid of all the interaction in the channel

[barren zephyr]

well. bring up an better suggestion how to handle it

[hoary dawn]

i made my best online friends in that channel, 3 hour cooldown gets rid of that

[barren zephyr]

becuz there are literally no related memes in offtopiv

also memes became boring and monotonic after a while because devs started to work on evrima so there was nothing new to meme about

right now theres much more new stuff you can produce memes about

[hoary dawn]

they could just, bring back the channel without changing what it was

no need for a cooldown at all

[barren zephyr]

WELL then think of something that will prevent spam but not stop things like that

so why downvoting then

lol

[hoary dawn]

cuz 3 hours is ridiculous

[barren zephyr]

ok but theres a maybe in the sentence

what bout removing the cooldown suggestion

do i get an upvote then?

This feels like makin big bussines right now ngl haha

[barren zephyr]

idk. but im unable to find them too

[hoary dawn]

honestly i think isle memes is too far gone to be able to get a good revival, all of the golden memes of old are long gone and all of the history has been wiped

[barren zephyr]

why would you say that

im sure with all the new stuff in evrima

there will be a hella ton of good new memes

[hoary dawn]

just wouldn't be the same

[barren zephyr]

i know

but it would be something at least

maybe youd like that too

you cant know just yet

depends on the people who will post memes

[hoary dawn]

possibly

[barren zephyr]

so is that an yes? If i take away the 3h cooldown?

[hoary dawn]

its a possibly, you do what you want with your suggestion

[barren zephyr]

but maybe remove the downvote so I have a higher chance of seeing danger tenonto memes?

thank you

[severe idol]

The Discord was unable to successfully keep itself together for an Isle-Memes channel, I don't see how it would get better.

[barren zephyr]

Damn I hoped for your support ;-;

[hoary dawn]

isle memes fell apart because the rules were too restrictive and were barely enforced, that and vanilla

[sonic oyster]

Aight thank you Memechannel

[hoary dawn]

mechanic test is not over

[paper oriole]

orge

[hoary dawn]

quetz shouldn't have apex growth time

anything larger than utah would destroy it

[paper oriole]

Quetz will probably be oneshot by lower mid tiers

[hoary dawn]

its a glass canon

glass canons shouldn't take 5+ hours to get

[paper oriole]

It looks way bigger than it is, its like a tent vs a house of the same ‘size’

So cant really justify apex growth due to “colossal size”. It would be fine with maybe 50-60min longer than carno or mid tier growth depending on how it turns out functionality-wise

[barren zephyr]

Quetzal- colossal creature. Cough not quite

[karmic plank]

Hopefully up around 400-450kg for quetz, with good damage

[barren zephyr]

At best it’ll be 500-550

And things like cerato and carno will turn it into mince meat

And maybe a 2 and a half hour growth time would suit it. Cause ya know. It can still fly.

[karmic plank]

The estimates for even the biggest quetz was like 300kg so I don't think they'll push it that high

But it needs to be on-par with Utah for weight and hp imo

[barren zephyr]

Agreed. Gonna be funny to see a fully grown quetzal get rag dolled by like a 1000kg deino thou lol

[karmic plank]

As long as it can effectively hunt from juvy onwards I think a sub-apex growth time would be ok

[karmic plank]

Yeah haha, that's going to be a bit silly

[paper oriole]

Imagine a carno lands a charge on quetz and it literally ragdoll crumbles like wet paper lmao

[karmic plank]

Knee high and just folds it

[barren zephyr]

Also I don’t really know about ground hunting sprinter quetzal to run down small prey. That sounds kinda. Not quetzal. Maybe swooping down to one shot things with below like 250 hp or something

Well I can see the carno just obliterating a quetzal like that. That Boi charging horns first into nothing but skinny semi boney wings- and they just go snap

[karmic plank]

I would think quetz would be hunting pachy and maybe teno, but can't see how it could defend kills from carno/utah/cerato/etc

[barren zephyr]

If pachy headbutts a quetzal that thing with literally fold

Origami quetzal

Also considering it’s weight if a tento hits it with its tail mid air. That’ll also fold it. Come to think of it, at 500 best I can really only see quetzal as a juvi to sub hunter and scavenger

[karmic plank]

Unless they can carry their prey up somewhere safe - which has its own issues - they are always going to get bodied by 2+ anything their size

[barren zephyr]

Quetzal would probably be able to pick up things upto 150kg

[karmic plank]

Unless they get a huge alt-turn or something and end up being miniature stegos

[barren zephyr]

Like without dragging. And eh I don’t see quetzal being agile on the ground at all. More of a swooping down over huge fields or along rivers to get a powerful peck or two in and slump smaller dinos

[paper oriole]

Ew AOE debuff rex

Imagine just handicapping people by being near them, BoB moment

[karmic plank]

The idea of quetz hunting dryo is appealing but I can't see how they would ever have the maneuverability to do it, except maybe with a really high dive

[barren zephyr]

Yuck. Only reason rex would ever have an AOE effect is cause they REEK

Eh quetzal will probably be able to easily kill AI dryo. Also if they make quetzal right. It’s food decay will be very little

[paper oriole]

Rex should obviously deal some of the best fracture damage, rex and anky should be top fracturers, but AOE debuffs are cringe

[barren zephyr]

Also cough deino if they made it closer to irl would get rex levels of fracture. Twice the bite force of rex cough cough

[paper oriole]

Know what sure why not

[karmic plank]

Wait so if rex has a debuff due to smelling bad, and Utah are basically wolves/hyena which love rolling in rotten stuff... Does that mean Utah will get a buff from being near rex?

[paper oriole]

Rex, anky, deino and pachyrhino actually

Imagine giving a debuff because uh oh stinky

[idle ibex]

poop ahahahha funny poopy

[barren zephyr]

I mean. Deino has a good thing going with the lunge. But it’s undersized- and underpowered for what it’s supposed to be. Once everything is in. Deino should be able to apply fracture in the possible tug of war mechanic. Like breaking the leg it grabbed to try to drag its prey

[paper oriole]

Also by that logic shouldnt rex show up as a blob in scent lmao

Big stinky blob

[karmic plank]

Brown cloud

[barren zephyr]

That’s how I think adult surapods should be

[paper oriole]

“I better alert the herd, the brown cloud is upon us”

[barren zephyr]

Such a massive animal that it’s smells like an entire herd-

[karmic plank]

Apex 💩

[paper oriole]

Hey dondi, i'm trying to sneak up on this triceratops, but the brown of my cloud keeps alerting the herd

[karmic plank]

Haha holy @#@$

[barren zephyr]

REEK

[paper oriole]

The stenchbeast

[barren zephyr]

Thou maybe carnivores that just scavenged rotten things could smell with a small green cloud

[karmic plank]

Sounds like something out of Binding of Isaac

[barren zephyr]

Like your a tento and you sniff and you see a small green patch moving before two ceratos wander on by. Drink- and wallow and then the smell of rot disappears from them till they eat gunk again

[karmic plank]

I could see why a scavengers breath could tarnish silver at 50 yards but i don't think any reptiles would be inherently stinky

[paper oriole]

I could see animals picking up extra infection damage in their attacks in exchange for losing some stealth

[karmic plank]

Maybe it could be a debuff for bad diet lol

[barren zephyr]

Gunk breath cerato when

[paper oriole]

Wasnt body odor a thing that was talked about before

By some dev

[barren zephyr]

Dunno

[karmic plank]

Yeah, they were talking about hygiene and stuff

[barren zephyr]

Thou maggy does need to become a skunk

[paper oriole]

Magy spins his tail and sprays predators like some skunk hippo hybrid

Just fans it everywhere

[barren zephyr]

Inflicts the sickness debuff and lights them up through scent until they clean themself off

[paper oriole]

Also fucks up their own scent ability

Might actually make people not want to KFS magy if it can do those 3 things

[barren zephyr]

Ye that would actually make it not worth the effort to kill maggy solo

[karmic plank]

As silly as that sounds would actually be kinda neat as a mechanic, makes you stinky for an hour, harder to hunt others and makes you a target for bigger stuff

[paper oriole]

Magy is already a meme animal so what is there to lose with this mechanic

[karmic plank]

Exactly!

[paper oriole]

Just embrace it

[karmic plank]

Own it

[barren zephyr]

Also maggy isn’t exactly gonna be much of a pushover in the lighter weights. If they give it a surapod attack of I have long legs so I stomp. Utah’s might just get crunched and if it has a shoulder bash carnos may be bashed from time to time

And even better. Better players can use the maggy debuff effects in combat. Cut their stam and needs a bit then play it safe and maybe you could eventually starve, stam drain, and dehydrate stuff like carnos and cera

[karmic plank]

I feel like cera would embrace the stink

Odeur de la Magy

[barren zephyr]

True. It is kinda cera. Also would be cool to see calcium from bones being part of cera diet. To encourage seeking out carcasses stripped of meat to monch on the bones and lessen the overall penalties of diets on something that they kinda wanna be a scavenger

[weak dune]

Isn't Cera supposed to be Magy's natural predator?

Unless I'm thinking of the wrong dino

[barren zephyr]

Nah you are thinking right. Cera doesn’t care what it eats and maggy tastes like crap so nothing wants to eat it. Except- cera

But still maggy needs KOS defense

[weak dune]

True. Though I could see Cera not being that much affected by most of Magy's defenses outside of direct damage, while everything else will want to avoid it like the plague

[paper oriole]

Cera could avoid the sickness and scent debuff status probably but it would still be plastered in the spray like everyone else and have to clean it off or it will show up in peoples' scent

[karmic plank]

I mean cera isn't really supposed to hunt other things anyway, is it?

Just plod around stealing others food

[barren zephyr]

it's a scavenger mainly

alongside being a cannibal.
If you can't find anything to eat, eat your kind

[paper oriole]

Its probably an extreme opportunist, itll just eat anything it can which includes hunting and scavenging whenever the opportunity presents itself

Finishing off injured animals, hunting juveniles or smaller dinos who dont keep their distance and scavenging

[karmic plank]

Yeah, so probably doesn't care too much if it's a bit stinky. I'd hope that wind effects would also come into play so if you were all magy'd up you could just make sure you are downwind if whatever you are trying to sneak up on

[barren zephyr]

hungry or not, i will kill my own as cera because it's fun

[karmic plank]

I feel like most species are going to be pretty territorial with diets anyway

It was a full FFA with tenos in mechanics test server

I didn't mind, made things more interesting than having every random who rocks up just expect you to accept them into the pack

[barren zephyr]

I say give cera the ability to eat the leftover bones of carcasses like a hyena. And have calcium be a need in its diet. To strength it’s teeth and bones-

[paper oriole]

Cerato and rex are two dinos who should definitely require bones for a healthy diet

[hybrid matrix]

i made a highly well received suggestion about this

[paper oriole]

didnt the devs say magy wasnt poisonous already? it just tastes mad

but making them require a good diet to even have that would make it even more useless

[hoary dawn]

how does tasting bad even work

[honest sparrow]

I mean you don't tend to eat things that taste bad

[hoary dawn]

mechanically

can you just not eat from magy bodies

[honest sparrow]

I guess it gives no dietary benefits

[hoary dawn]

so just the average non prefferred item

[honest sparrow]

I think, its still kind of a really dumb idea, it just cucks people if they happen to kill a magy

[paper oriole]

tasting bad probably just means negative diet effects but not actual poison

wont stop kfs though, magy needs way more than tasting bad to survive

[hoary dawn]

cc ability please doindo

[honest sparrow]

^

[paper oriole]

i unironically want skunk magy

[honest sparrow]

explain before I immediately die

[paper oriole]

either magy or rugops needs it and ill be happy

[hoary dawn]

shoulder check and stomp finisher

[honest sparrow]

should check

[hoary dawn]

should check

[paper oriole]

spraying predators, fucks up their scent ability and makes them show up in other peoples' scent as a cloud and also applies sick debuff

[honest sparrow]

what he checking tho?

[hoary dawn]

do not

[paper oriole]

im expecting magy to be boring though and just stall its death or something

[honest sparrow]

as long as it isn't as gross as shit idm it, but I prefer cc stam god magy

[paper oriole]

like i cant really see magy CCing things like alberto and allo reliably

[hoary dawn]

it dont need to

[honest sparrow]

I mean if it was always 100% reliable that would take away the fun, no?

[paper oriole]

somewhat reliable so it isnt just a death sentence if an allo rolls up

[honest sparrow]

das da thing

[paper oriole]

reliable as in viable

[honest sparrow]

if an allo shows up, it just runs, and runs, and runs, the allo might be faster but if magy has enough a headstart it just gets away by pure endurance

[paper oriole]

so are allo and alberto both supposed to just have dogshit stamina

and are no large predators going to be endurance hunters

[honest sparrow]

allo I very mcuh anticipate to have dogshit stamina

[paper oriole]

like i can see one of the two grabbign an ambusher niche but are both truemid predators going to be ambushers?

[honest sparrow]

alberto is a bit more of a problem but again enough endurance combined with using its smaller size puts it just ahead

[paper oriole]

what about baryonix too

[honest sparrow]

it can probably just fight bary

[paper oriole]

are all mid tier predators going to just be specifically balanced to make magy viable

[hoary dawn]

if magy can have an even match against a cerato a bary wouldn't be that much of a problem

[honest sparrow]

na, magy's just gonna have enough stam to at least get a decent distance away from allo and alberto

[hoary dawn]

or just go into dense jungle and hide

[honest sparrow]

^

[hoary dawn]

kinda wish the smaller quad herbies had crouches

[honest sparrow]

teno not having a crouch just feels painful

[storm vigil]

@proven lagoon I think we discuss it here. Curious to know your exact setup. I didn’t know it could be played on Xbox. Any idea if you can get the results on PC?

[proven lagoon]

Gotcha

And i actually meant x360 as in the software not a console

You can google it and install it then just make sure ur plugged into usb bc bluetooth isnt a option on it but iy makes any pc game that wotks with a xbox controller work with any other controller

Sp i use it for the dualsense 5 and i tried it on the isle and it worked surprisingly good

The name is x360ce heres a link should you want to try it https://www.x360ce.com/

Ds4 works too its also a software to download but i dpnt rly like it personally

[karmic plank]

I think Miragaia's idea for magy or another large non-combat orientated herbivore is perfect. It means Magy won't get hunted for food unless you are desperate.
Tasting bad isn't really a thing against predators, who typically have very little in the way of taste senses. Most carnivores can only really taste fat and protein, some more omnivore ones like dogs can also taste simple carbs like starches and sugars, but that's rare.
Most "don't eat me" defences are via poisons, but I don't think there are plans to have many if any of those in TI, so having a skunk defence would be a neat way to do it.

[hoary dawn]

poor animators

[karmic plank]

Won't be any worse than hypsi spit lol

[hoary dawn]

way worse

[paper oriole]

dont the devs already want diarrhea? can't "poor animators" them, it's just a clear or slightly tinted spray it's nowhere near as bad as the unnecessary and useless shit mechanics they already talked about adding

[honest sparrow]

I mean do you want them to suffer more or less than they have to already apparently

[hoary dawn]

i do agree that dinosaurs spraying stinky gas out their ass is not as bad as dinosaurs spraying shit out, but i would rather not have either

[paper oriole]

they chose their path

[honest sparrow]

this tbh

[hoary dawn]

perhaps magy could deploy the gas from its dewlap

[paper oriole]

ok it aint like some deviantart fart cloud animation its just like

[honest sparrow]

opens up skin flap epicly

[paper oriole]

a hose on mist setting for a second, it aint bad, it doesnt even need to be animated to some form a pinpoint

[hoary dawn]

the dewlap inflates and then releases a cloud of nauseating gas

[paper oriole]

magy opens its dewlap, revealing 6 rows of serrated teeth within as it englulfs you in a horrifying paper shredder attack

[limber hull]

@dreamy wharf honestly, i dont see quetz at all like a slow flyer. I see quetz as something that can't turn well but can fucking swoop you into oblivion before you can blink

[paper oriole]

quetz is glass cannon sky carno

[limber hull]

Low HP, high damage, seems fine, I just don't see it being outsped in flightspeed by a ptera lmao

Ptera can def use evasive manoeuvres but its not going to get far in a straight line

[urban flax]

I agree, quetz should definitely be faster than ptera
Flying doesn't work like running, being heavier doesn't mean you should absolutely be slower

[limber hull]

Quetz should also be a WAY worse glider

[urban flax]

Yeah, prioritize short flights and good ground capabilities

[limber hull]

Quetz being able to get higher is fine because it should be more of a "flyer" than a glider

[urban flax]

Tho I wouldn't mind glider quetz tho
That'd be two different playstyles
Maybe we need another apex of the skies

[limber hull]

Having it be essentially a crack-cocaine flying carnotaurus is good, but yea, I would classify it somewhere in the sub-apex area due to how powerful it can be in its specific niche

Even with its godawful weight, it'd still be an apex

I can personally see a quetz even taking on things heavier than it. Just look at eagles pick up goats lmao, goats far out-size the eagle in weight class, but the eagle uses its powerful flight to fuck it up regardless

[urban flax]

I'm still against the idea of health=weight tho because quetz deserves much more than 500 health

[limber hull]

Ehhh. IDK

[urban flax]

Cause it should deal more than 500 damage with one peck, but that would mean quetz would oneshot each other

Not really a good thing for an apex (bruh why is there slowmode on this channel now ?)

[limber hull]

man, idk

i was happier when this was a place to chat about general feedback now its gone

slowmode strikes again in every channel it can

[urban flax]

I guess people have abused the absence of restrictions, like always

[hoary dawn]

slowmode takes another victim

[paper oriole]

This is one of the most exploitable ideas I’ve seen in a while lmao

[edgy harbor]

is 5 s okay?

Moving it to 0 is always a horrible idea.

[honest sparrow]

5s is very cool

[edgy harbor]

okay

[honest sparrow]

yeah let me just scout everything for anyone from the spawn menu

[paper oriole]

Scouting for your friends made super easy

You die and can just find and follow your killers while your friends run them down

[urban flax]

Also what's the point of a photo mode if you can't use it to take a picture of your dino ?

[limber hull]

"hmmm, where can i find all of my biggest predators so i dont have to spawn there hmmm"

[novel sigil]

Well wont this be a thing with diet system? Dinos will have their preffered diets at specific places? So when im grown allo, i run over to where the utahs are?

[paper oriole]

Why would allo have utahs in its preferred diet

[sacred moat]

Ptera is also a pretty good scouting dino ngl

[paper oriole]

Yeah but at least you can usually see a ptera scouting you

And not be some invisible entity tracking you from the selection screen

[urban flax]

If you wanna let dryos chat with stegos, might as well let pteras chat with carnos

[paper oriole]

Wait who asked for dryo stego crosschat

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message

[paper oriole]

Oh oof

Honestly as an unofficial server option i could see it working but it should stay off officials lol

Stego is too slow to hunt shit and dryo is too weak to keep things pinned like what people did in legacy with some dinos but some combos especially with predators would be busted and toxic

Stego seems like a solitary animal who wouldnt mix herd and stick with a small handful of its own kind

[limber hull]

lmao yea, utahs would be far too fast for allos lmao

[novel sigil]

Yea, until you dont pay attention and the allo is in ambush

[tepid gate]

There's no ambush in Evrima

[urban flax]

There's ambush, just no ambush speed boost

[tepid gate]

it's not a mechanic in itself, it's pretty clear to me that ronns was talking about the ambush mechanic from the legacy

Utah would not be a reliable food source for Allosaurus

[maiden epoch]

Ambush would be Good for Canro but in exchange his normal speed should be decreased

[urban flax]

No

[tepid gate]

I don't think Carno should be an ambush predator

It's an animal that's supposed to be hunting in the plains

[urban flax]

Ambush speed is so artificial I don't see any animal that deserves it

[maiden epoch]

Like I know Carno was an ambush Predator

[tepid gate]

it's the opposite of ambush hunting, which would rely on it camping the treelines and staying hidden in the vegetation

Deino is the only real ambush hunter in the game

Utah and Carno can ambush hunt on occasions but they aren't designed around that

[ember egret]

how is it that a fresh spawn carno is able to 1 shot a 15% utah now?

[limber hull]

Ambush speed just should not be brought back, watching people crouch every damn time they got in a fight was stupid

[tepid gate]

Then you can just make them... not crouch down every time they get into a fight?

Although to be fair the "crouching" Rex/Spino in their nimation teasers look very much like animals that are about to get into a fight.

[urban flax]

About to get into a fight, not in the middle of one

[ember egret]

petrsonally i think that utah bleed and mobility or bleed and speed needs to be increased

[urban flax]

From what I've heard bleed is currently broken (it doesn't stack) so better wait until it's fixed before asking for buffs

[ember egret]

i logged last night on na3 then get on na1 this morning. decided to check my dino on na3 and its gone. they didnt fix anything also, grouping is still trash. the main things to even make the game playable arent even working but they can focus on the new update w probably no fix to what issues they've been having since evrima started

[ember egret]

also, should bleed chill tf out if your laying down instead of still slamming you?

[icy lion]

it does slow bleed

not as much as wallowing afaik

[ember egret]

ok

lit

[tame jetty]

@wicked furnace I think that is legacy u referring to if im right. I see what you mean, but same time, 'Legacy' is 'dead'. It is not meant to be living on, Evirma was isle start, and it will build out from that. The team said them self if only they could take back the years wasted on Legacy version, and put them in the Evirma one. I think we all would've been blown away by now, as we kinda are already with the impressive work they keep pulling up. So wasting more updates to the legacy version, when its only going to be thrown away in the end.. isn't worth it.
EDIT: Or, i think i see you'd also have been using the allo, and paras as reference to your idea.. if that your case, for Evrima.. I totally get it! :D

[wicked furnace]

No, i'm referring to evrima.

Stress test, to be exact

[tame jetty]

Ok

[ember egret]

can yall plz do something to fix how trash utah is. you littearly cant kill anything unless your full grown. bruh i was just a juvie utah and tried to kill a catfish. i bit a fckn fish 19 times. and it didnt die... thats litteral cancer

not to mention bleed doesnt even stack anymore. lets update all the crap but not bleed stack. dmg, grouping, dinosaurs dont even save half the time, etc...

great game but this is getting too broken for me. i may just switch back to legacy cause honestly this is really disappointing...

gator's hitbox is broken against a utah. every shot is leatterly a headshot so its a constant 1 shot now, etc... even against a carno it registers as the head over half the time

[paper oriole]

Isnt that due to the hp changes

[ember egret]

carnos added manuverability is friggen awsome except how it littearly made utah so much harder than it already is... in this game its not skill based its luck based.

[paper oriole]

Deino should be oneshotting utah with a body shot due to utah's hp reduction

[ember egret]

50Kg from utah and 5Kg from utah

[paper oriole]

Utah is like 450

[ember egret]

utah lost 70 biteforce and 50Kg while carno lost 150 biteforce and 5Kg weight

i was saying utah used to weigh 500Kg now its 450Kg

[paper oriole]

So unless tail shots are also counting as head shots it makes no difference for utah

Also pretty sure bleed isnt working as intended rn

[ember egret]

utah is basically 1 shotted by everything except carno. at max it takes 3 shots from a carno while 75% of the time its littearly 2

it gets 1 shotted by gator tenno and almost carno

[paper oriole]

And if they havent fixed the inertia im pretty sure thats also not working as intended which is why utah got the weird agility nerf

[ember egret]

tenno tail- 1 shot. steggo tail- 1 shot, etc...

[paper oriole]

Thats kinda justified you can avoid those two attacks

[ember egret]

yea, almost like the weird moonwalk it gets when exiting run into reg walk'

to do a quick turn

[paper oriole]

Hopefully inertia/bleed gets fixed in U4 because it is pretty funky

[ember egret]

its ass lol dont lie

[paper oriole]

Utah is an animal who should be relying a ton on its maneuverability but it has beeen handicapped a bit

[ember egret]

plus i littearly bit a fish 19 times and didnt kill it as 27%utah

[paper oriole]

Which admittedly is pretty unfair i gotta admit even though i hate isle utahraptor with a passion lol

[ember egret]

it should be skill based w utah. 100% manuverability

or like 75 to 25 bleed/dmg

[paper oriole]

Utah being made of paper mache and getting crippled by a lot of animals when attacked is fine but it should have the agility to be able to avoid that during a fight

Otherwise its just dryo with teeth

[ember egret]

also, why not just make the utah's bite force 75 and bring back bleed stack

thats not too unfair

[paper oriole]

Bleed is broken rn afaik, they wanted it to rely more on its special ability rather than biting

[ember egret]

but thats kinda a waste

yea the pounce should be heavy bleed based but if u die when u pounce whats the point lol

like i littearly stopped pouncing sht...

[paper oriole]

Pounce dismount is going to be aimable like in the direction youre looking i think it was in a stream

So it should be more skill based soon at least

[sacred moat]

with the introduction of aimable pounce, they shouldnt increase the distance of the pounce kick off

[paper oriole]

If utahs dismount with some remaining stam their responsibility in stam management should be rewarded with a better dismount distance for sure

[sacred moat]

i was more so talking about this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dJCsHwvFec&t=748s

at the 10 min marker

the new utah pounce distance plus aimable pounce dismount would be braindead for utahs now

especially if they're going to be safe out of a stegos swing range

all you would have to do is look forward of the stego when youre dismounting, and youre 100% safe

[paper oriole]

If they manage their stam well i don’t see an issue with them being able to get more distance on voluntary dismounts assuming they have a certain threshold of stam remaining, if it ends up being too busted they can change something with it or with bucking/scraping the raptors to compensate

Like let people actually crush utahs against trees and rocks

Turn them into raptor paste

[hybrid matrix]

[swift dew]

utahs are getting headshotted 75% of the time?

[ember egret]

almost everytime by deinos and half the time by carnos

[hoary dawn]

utah getting 1 shot by deino is fine

[karmic plank]

Utah is meant to be the main threat to stego in U4, but I share your concern with Utah being too strong and easy to play with wallow spots being so much harder to find

I get the impression that difficulty is meant to scale with size, so Utah is meant to be easier to play than Carno, which isn't the case at the moment. Simplifying Utah gameplay may be intentional

[karmic plank]

Agreed except for the issues with latency

[hoary dawn]

tenonto looks way better with the new tail physics imo, and even if it could be toned down a bit its far from "shit"

[sacred moat]

My only concern really is that the pounce dismount distance increase plus aimable dismount while make it so Utah’s can essentially 1v1 stegos with the bleed out mechanism

If the stego has a 0% chance of getting a Utah after it’s dismount, all a solo Utah would have to do is rinse and repeat

[zealous violet]

lol It was done in humor since a lot of people flipped out about the new tail mechanics looking boneless or like jelly. I actually don't mind them so much myself. Just when they do the alt attack it looks a little weak.

[sacred moat]

I don’t mind the current distance the Utah has with its dismount

Since they just recently buffed it

But it doesn’t need an even bigger dismount distance

[karmic plank]

Agreed. Some Utahs out there are as good if not better than carnos were in U3 at baiting and wearing down stegos, making pounce easy to safely dismount will make stego a nightmare

[hoary dawn]

i see it as a direct upgrade to what we had before, dino tails looked almost robotic the way they moved

[sacred moat]

Right!

They should keep the current dismount distance and add aimable dismount

[karmic plank]

Especially when all the counters are gone - no more palm corpses, no more water camping, no more tree aiming

[sacred moat]

So Utah’s have to actually use more that 3 brain cells when fighting stegos

[zealous violet]

Fair, but they are quite a bit unrealistic as they are right now if you look at any other animal with a large tail thats not prehensile. However, this is a video game and we can make the tails do whatever we want so it doesnt matter if its 'realistic' or not hehe ^.~

[karmic plank]

A stego will feed a Utah pack for days if nobody steals it, they should expect to lose members in the fight imo

Agreed the distance is fine at, make it aimable, fix the server-side synch issues, maybe fiddle with the stam usage/dps and call it a day

[sacred moat]

It’s current dismount distance already makes it impossible for carnos to hit them, same with tenos. That shouldn’t be the case for a Dino like stego that specializes on bigger AOA

[karmic plank]

Yeah. I fought a Utah pack as a solo teno recently and it was surprisingly tough. 2 of them were really good, the only reason I survived was cheesing climbable rocks

[sacred moat]

Like could you image how Utah’s would shred paras or other dinos that have no real way of protecting their sides

[karmic plank]

Imo if wallow is hard to get, your base blood regen shouldn't be stopped by bleed. A paper cut doesn't shut down your bone marrow, and a tail nibble should only slow/offset blood regen

[sacred moat]

I do like how they spread out the mud wallowing areas

[meager tiger]

@dreamy wharf Aren't buzzards like 95% scavenger. They evolved naked necks

@glacial terrace Dbd perk for trex lol?

[paper oriole]

“Subspecies” animals that have completely different niches and weight classes? Lmao, that's just adding whole new playables at that point

Also lists troodon, velo and austro as utah subspecies

[hoary dawn]

that

doesn't make any sense

[karmic plank]

Dakotaraptor as a subspecies of Utah makes sense, but not austro or velo and certainly not troodon

The litmus test is would you expect them to produce viable offspring that would make sense? If not, they should be separate species

[hoary dawn]

none of them make sense, and the idea as a whole has no explanation or reasoning

what are they even suggesting

[karmic plank]

Different weights are fine, same for hunger and speed and regen, but they need to have the same conops and abilities

@gentle stratus drinking already works that way, you start slow and speed up towards the end

Most dinos have ~21s 0-100% drinking time, and ~17s 0-50% drinking time iirc

[paper oriole]

Dakota makes sense because our utah is undersized but like

Microraptor wtf lmao

[karmic plank]

For herbivores it doesn't make much sense, imo, but for corpses I like the idea of eating being slow at the start until it's a bit ripped up and open

[paper oriole]

What would microraptor even do as its own playable? Eat a bug and then die to a compy?

[karmic plank]

Microraptor AI maybe, to eat ptera kills left on rocks. They are half the size of a cat, 1/20th the size of a hypsi

[honest sparrow]

Kenonto confused and scared me on multiple levels

[paper oriole]

Wtf is kenonto like a jp style hybrid

[honest sparrow]

Think so

[paper oriole]

Unironically that would be cool looking

[honest sparrow]

Fighting a kentro teno sounds like aids

It would look cool though

[paper oriole]

Changyuraptor >>> Microraptor

I mean fighting a carni strain sounds like aids too tho tbf, idk how youd even unlock hybrids though its not like youd morph in to one and theyd have to be rare like strains

[karmic plank]

I'd love to have one of those little 4 winged raptors in game but idk how it works as a playable - except if it was in those aviary domes that got mentioned a while back, basically a different game mode with a different map

[honest sparrow]

You know if they’re putting egg laying animations and shitting in the game, I don’t think cross breeding or whatever is entirely out of the question because we live in a society or whatever

[paper oriole]

Changyuraptor is large enough to at least fight off a compy unlike micro

[paper oriole]

Cross breeding sounds super pokemon wacky to me, theyre still different genera of animals

[karmic plank]

The idea of a mini/micro only game mode with a very vertical dome map sounds like a lot of fun to me

[honest sparrow]

Even Pokémon doesn’t really go that far but again, the devs are insane and weird so