general-feedback-discussion

[karmic plank]

I mean it doesn't really matter what speed looks natural I think it will be chosen based on gameplay balance

But I'm curious

[crude girder]

on mine I've got it set up that armored areas prevent bleed damage, CC ignores armor all together and does flat health damage [like getting punched when you are wearing armor, you still feel the blunt force] and blunt/fracture damage depletes the armor at an accelerated rate

[echo bridge]

Fracture damage attacks would do the most armor damage
CC attacks could factor in depending on the severity of the weight difference and how CC is applied across dinosaurs in general(Like if Shant or Camara stomped down on an Anky, it would do major armor damage or straight up break it with the combo of fracture damage and whatever CC they potentially get)

[karmic plank]

I'd almost argue for the opposite - armour should make you take CC but no hp damage

[echo bridge]

Armor is definitely an in depth thing accounting for creature variety and also adding the humanoids and their weapons into the mix

[karmic plank]

You get punched in the chest with armour you are still winded, but 15s later you'll be fine

[crude girder]

I more so meant that if you get hit by say, Teno's tail, then you take the full health damage and stagger, but your armor isn't depleted

[karmic plank]

Oh, right

[echo bridge]

Yeah Armor probably wouldn't stop CC that strikes effective
But the damage of that CC attack would be reduced if it falls under the breaking point

Hmmm

Would it depend on the type of armor?

[karmic plank]

Ideally there would be both hard and soft armour types, hard would also mitigate blunt damage while soft would only mitigate sharp

[echo bridge]

Light and Heavy

[karmic plank]

Or, more realistically, soft armour would turn sharp into blunt

[crude girder]

idk what would be classified as soft armor on dinosaurs

[karmic plank]

Basically the way Rimworld does armour layers

[crude girder]

welp, gotta run, will discuss Magy more later

[karmic plank]

Scales and such

[echo bridge]

TI Anky basically has as much of a shell on a dinosaur as you can get, so itd be heavy armor

Whilst things like Magy, Minmi, Deino, Giga and Spino have either osteoderms interlaced with hide or ossified scales
So they'd be light armor

[karmic plank]

Scales and flexible armour would deflect a lot of piercing damage but no offer any real defence against blunt force trauma. Lizards basically have that sort of thing now

Same for heavy hides like Rhino

Whereas things like armadillo plates would be hard armour and defend against both until they crack

Ideally every Dino should have a rating for both that gets factored into bleed/slash/stab/bite for pierce resistance and bash/charge/fracture for blunt

You could have things like teno tailslam stuns be converted into stagger/slows if you have enough blunt armour, too

[echo bridge]

TI Anky basically has both Ankylosaur armor, Indian Rhino Hide and Armadillo plate aspects in its armor
So it'd be the one to resist every damage type until it breaks

Magy just has osteoderms and hide, so it would resist sharp attacks whilst blunt force really isnt mitigated
(Same for Minmi, Deino, and Spino to varying degrees looking at them visually)

Giga is kinda unique where its armor is kinda plated like a Hypers, so maybe resist blunt damage but not slashing all that well? And it's only along it's back so attacks that hit below it wouldn't trigger it

[karmic plank]

Yup exactly

We already have a pretty complex hitbox model so all that would be achievable

[echo bridge]

An Armor mechanic and how each armored animals function differently is a whole other massive topic that could be it's own feedback doc post lol

[karmic plank]

Though I'd like to see left side/right side separated for damage stacking and armour ablation

Yeah it's a U6/U7 suggestion

[echo bridge]

I was also thinking that to account for thousand cuts strats
Your damage has to get to a certain middle ground of armor damage, but if you fall below then your damage against the armor is generally negligible

[karmic plank]

We need to see fractures and pachy in the wild before we can make informed suggestions for this sort of thing

[echo bridge]

So you cant just have juvies or small creatures beat up on something to remove the armor unless they are big enough to be feasibly doing damage to said armor

Yup

[karmic plank]

Long term I'd love if tribals could fit armour onto their domesticated dinos

Cured hide that they have to Butcher from killed player dinos

[fickle jacinth]

I would not play no more if I had to play many hour to get feathers to cover up jurassic park ugly raptor

[crude girder]

@echo bridge so, back to Magy doc

I've been toying with the idea of giving Magy some sort of grapple resist as a sort of built in counter to Allo's grapple and to a lesser extent Utah's pounce/pin

[echo bridge]

like being passively hardler to hold onto because of it flailing around with its large sharp osteoderms potentially making the claws get loose?

[crude girder]

loose skin + light armor = really hard to hold onto and deal any meaningful damage, plus a natural resistance to bleed thanks to said loose skin and armor making most slashing attacks superficial at best

[echo bridge]

that sounds like a nice passive

[crude girder]

mechanically, reduced raw and bleed damage while in a grapple, and makes grappling animals expend stamina at an increased rate

that, plus CC, puts a quick end to Allo being able to 1 shot it with grapple, you'd have a wounded Magy and an exhausted Allo

that's assuming the Magy was unable to prevent the Allo from grappling it

Against Alberto, as you already said, there's a bigger issue, since Magy seems fundamentally very vulnerable to fracture

and unlike Teno, it doesn't have the raw agility to really out maneuver the initial attacks long enough to get away

[echo bridge]

yeah Alberto definitely seems like Magys biggest issue when it comes to surviving an encounter with one

[crude girder]

the lack of loose skin or any armor on the legs themselves leaves it very vulnerable to leg fracture, and even a potentially increased resistance to said fracture wouldn't solve the underlying issue

[echo bridge]

if its osteoderms and loose skin saves it from Utah pounce and Allo grapple, that does seem a little unfair for Allo but Magy probably wont be within its dietary tolerance anyways with its bad taste
and a Magy isn't really killing an Allo unless it gets heavy CC'ed and gets combo'ed into a stomp multiple times or something
so thats fine

[crude girder]

granted we don't know what Alberto's special ability is

[echo bridge]

ye

[crude girder]

Ideally Magy flat out isn't killing an Allo with a brain

just escaping one, and being unfair to Allo is a bit of a running trend with the smalls

Diablo and Kentro are walking arrays of thorns, so good luck grappling that

[echo bridge]

well, with the armored/defensively equipped ones or the ones that are just too fast
Teno dies on contact

[crude girder]

Teno can probably avoid said contact tho

[echo bridge]

ye

[crude girder]

at least enough to dodge the first few crucial lunges

[echo bridge]

its right on the cusp of fast enough

[crude girder]

It could easily have its speed increased if needed

personally I feel like where Carno is now is a good spot for the fastest animal in the game

[echo bridge]

teno having to be very cautious about allo helps it balance out the strong matchups it has with smaller animals
so it'd be fine if it was practical to catch imo

[crude girder]

Allo also has a lot of prey options aside from Teno, between Maia, Plateo, and the various smaller game it lives with

[echo bridge]

or larger game in packs yeah

[crude girder]

like an Allo could make a meal out of a Carno if it can catch one

[echo bridge]

Magy having a resistance to grapple based attacks sounds nice imo
Would that work with Deino lunge?

[crude girder]

potentially yes, though idk how effective it'll be

since while you'd be shortening the amount of time Deino can hold you under, it also runs into the question of how long Magy can hold its breath

[echo bridge]

it'll probably be there to be an added on effect
but really only matter if a 2600-3000kg Deino lunges you, because they are small enough to lose grip

because an Adult just mauls you in water if it has to drop you
young deinos dont have that damage yet

[crude girder]

could just make it a flat "You drain X.X% more stamina while grappling this animal"

[echo bridge]

ye

[crude girder]

so if the Magy can hold its breath long enough, maybe it can swim to safety

[echo bridge]

and just let the effectiveness play out

with all the other variables

of each encounter

definitely like that idea

magy being resistant to stab, slash, and grab damage types
but being weak to blunt and fracture based

[crude girder]

right now our only damage types are raw,bleed,and blunt, with CC being a modifier

so practically, it'd likely have bleed resist like Deino but to a lesser extent, and a modifier that increases the stamina of grapple attacks

[echo bridge]

yee

[crude girder]

something i'd like to see is a distinction between slash and stab bleed attacks, but that can be in the future

[echo bridge]

that would probably mostly come in when organ damage with gore and the humanoids is to be considered

[crude girder]

as a whole, I'm a fan of sauropods being more susceptible to blood due to the high blood pressure you need with such a long neck

but with Magy, it seems fair to make an exception

[echo bridge]

because dwarf boi

[crude girder]

yea

[echo bridge]

doesn't have to fight gravity as hard

[crude girder]

then again, the dwarf can still rear as high as a Theri is tall

look a quetz in the eye

[echo bridge]

yeah its resistance probably shouldn't be too strong
probably bleed at a standard rate, but just take less damage because the wounds you would open on it are generally smaller

[crude girder]

Deino takes half bleed damage, I'm thinking somewhere around 75% or something for Magy

so it isn't as strong vs bleed, but it is comparatively tanky against it

[echo bridge]

that sounds like a good jumping off point
magy is definitely gonna be interesting

with all that its appearance could correspond to mechanically

[crude girder]

so we've got a few passives for it, and a decent active moveset

one thing that I kinda want, even if it's super impractical, is to have stomp attacks do damage proportional to the weight of the animal stomping

so instead of scaling like all the other attacks, they scale off weight

probably not a direct 1:1, because then an adult Magy could one shot another adult Magy with a stomp

but maybe like, half of your mass is the stomp damage or something

I wouldn't go higher than 80%, but even 80% is a devastating stomp for Magy

using Nova's size chart, that's enough damage to one shot a Cerato (At 80% mass = damage, using the 1650kg Magy and 1300kg Cera)

on a head hit, that would insta kill a Carno

thing is, you are never landing a stomp unless they are stupid or CC'd

[echo bridge]

even if you went with 1300kg Magy
thats still 1040 dmg without locational modifiers at the .8 weight modifier value

[crude girder]

yeah, that's a dead Megalania basically

[echo bridge]

and a dead cerato with a headshot

[crude girder]

Dead bary as well

[echo bridge]

yeah stomp attacks damage being a factor weight would be interesting
since all stomp attacks should be fairly commital and basically require the opponent to be stunned, crippled, or braindead to hit
and not the turbo stomp that legacy shant did

[crude girder]

Ideally Shant would have a few more moves up its sleeve

I quite like the idea that stomp capable dinosaurs would also have some sort of CC option that can combo into the stomp

[echo bridge]

magy gets neck trip and shoulder tackle
shant gets trample and headbutt?

[crude girder]

perhaps a body check or hip check/tail swat on shant

[echo bridge]

still unknown if Maia or Para will get stomps
Tenonto is fast enough to where it doesn't need a combo
it can freeform follow up ez

[crude girder]

since you can't trample a rex, you'd have to knock it over first

[echo bridge]

yeah

[crude girder]

Tenonto doesn't really need a stomp to be fair, Tail slam is in essence a stomp

[echo bridge]

ye

[crude girder]

you'd be sacrificing the raw damage of a real stomp, but it's fast, it's got huge range, and the rest of Teno's kit is focused around being mobile so a stationary attack doesn't make sense

For the sauropods, I'd imagine it'd be a similar case, knock someone over with a kick/tail/neck and stomp em

A shant stomp would do enough to one shot anything smaller than a shant at 0.8 weight

assuming it was a body hit or struck a weak spot

A trike could take a stomp to the face probably, make it a 2 shot

rex would barely survive from a leg stomp, but it would never walk again lol

[echo bridge]

brachi stomp doing 29,680 dmg (80% of 37100kg) turning any other normal dino into paste

[karmic plank]

Teno has barely any weight on its front paws anyway, stomp wouldn't make sense

I can't see stomps being that useful unless your target already has a broken leg

[echo bridge]

i forgot to clarify that i wasn't saying for teno to have a stomp
i was correlating its commital combat move already being tail slam, which then the rest of the statement for it follows
i didn't say so, so my bad

[karmic plank]

Oh, right, my bad, I could have probably worked that out if I'd thought about it

Coming from playing teno a bit recently: it's hard enough to hit good Utah's with teno claw, I can't see any equivalent ever being hit by a slower stomp

Like say you nerfed the arc on stego tail and gave it a stomp... I think it would get wrecked

[echo bridge]

yee lol

[karmic plank]

It would make a nice combo for something like magy to have a teno-style kick which can break bones and then a stomp which deals good damage

So the idea would be kick to fracture then chase and stomp to kill, if something is dumb enough to get hit

Basically the horse combat style I guess

Which would imply that you should be able to do a weaker version of the stomp while trotting/slow run

[broken thorn]

@dense meteor i like your suggestion about carnivores eating some herbs and plants in order to get a possible buff on something. In the end, carnivores today do that too.

[keen vapor]

@dry goblet Mechanics should probably be top priority for evrima right now as we dont need that big of a rooster to create variety in gameplay and sceenery, also it would make updates take significantly longer to come out

[barren zephyr]

I really don't think Evrima should even be considered becoming the main branch until all of the past features are reintroduced

Therefore it won't cause any alienation, and present itself only as an "upgrade" from the past iteration

[maiden epoch]

someone has a Idea how Diets work for Carnis? like for example Carno or Utah?

[lavish quail]

A chonky elder Utah would be ok

I wouldn’t do it tho since I like the one we have rn

And a fatter Utah would be slower

[hoary dawn]

turn isle into reddit

[honest sparrow]

Reddit gold

[dense meteor]

Thoughts on a debuff for when utahs kill thier own kind?

[urban flax]

None needed

[paper geyser]

pretty sure general cannibalism debuffs are planned

[dense meteor]

Aight cool

[icy lion]

cannibalism debuffs will only occur when eating your own kind

[dense meteor]

Except for deinos right

[icy lion]

"team killing" will not incur debuffs

yea

and ceratos

possibly others but those two are confirmed cannibals

[dense meteor]

Yea I meant killing as in eating

[icy lion]

gotcha, the community sometimes uses cannibalism to refer to killing without eating so i wanted to clarify

[crude girder]

ez clap, just confirm every single eta simultaneously

one of them will be right eventually

[honest sparrow]

I mean yeah

But it’s still bullshit

[crude girder]

Yeah idk why Filipe keeps confirming ETAs instead of saying nothing

cause saying nothing means you can't be wrong about when it'll release

[honest sparrow]

It’s gotten to the point where I do not trust the devs when it comes to etas anymore, or at least anyone apart from punch

[paper geyser]

pretty sure filipe is just fucking with people for fun at this point

[crude girder]

You shouldn't have trusted any Eta's anyway

[honest sparrow]

I don’t

But the fact some people do, and they keep doing it, is bad

[crude girder]

since the devs could say "build releases tomorrow" and then it gets delayed due to a bug

[dense meteor]

Stress test at the end of this month

[bold palm]

i was just thinking this. why create hype and make people upset when it doesn't happen. 🙂

we'll all be eating our frustration soon enough.

https://tenor.com/view/no-non-nope-workaholics-adam-levine-gif-17682086

anyway, i would not invest more than a couple hour in growing anything until they at lest release a hot fix.

Did Filipe actually give an ETA? Cuz i thought they NEVER EVER did that?

[hoary dawn]

ban filipe

[sacred moat]

I agree that the devs should stop reacting to people’s messages about ETAs because you get people who get their hopes up for nothing. But guys they are a small team working on this game to give us the best quality.

[honest sparrow]

I get that, all I’m asking is for them to just not give false etas

[sacred moat]

And for the people harassing them about the game updates being too long. Please, go outside

[barren zephyr]

I get that game developing is hard and such, especially with a small team. however falsely giving out etas isn’t really a good thing to do. Just say it needs more time.

[hoary dawn]

the development of the game isn't the problem

[sacred moat]

Yeah, I agree. I think they should stop giving ETAs

[hoary dawn]

they need to share only what they know

[ashen elm]

To be fair, they do try not to give them, but people ask like clockwork so I get how it can be hard not to say anything either.

Heck isn't it a rule not to ask for ETAs? Yet it still gets asked.

[hoary dawn]

no excuse to spread misinformation

[ashen elm]

I don't know, if people really want to avoid this situation, I think asking about ETAs need be a stricter rule.

[honest sparrow]

Or alternatively, we don’t give false etas

[ashen elm]

It's not an either or, it's a both scenario.

[icy lion]

how can an eta be false? anything can happen in development. the e stands for "estimated", you know

[sacred moat]

^^^

[hoary dawn]

cuz the estimate was wrong

[honest sparrow]

An estimate can still be wrong, if I say “I estimate that the weather will be 40 degrees Fahrenheit tomorrow” and it’s 120, the estimate is wrong

[icy lion]

and?

that happens with estimates

[hoary dawn]

there's a reason the no etas rule exists, the devs gave them before and couldn't go through with them

[icy lion]

i agree that they shouldnt be giving any etas but harping on about them being off is flawed imo

[ashen elm]

So the solution is anytime someone asks for an eta, they get banned

[hoary dawn]

breaking a rule on their own discord server

[honest sparrow]

Less go

[barren zephyr]

[swift dew]

thats why its called an "estimate"

[manic flint]

Just cause Filipe said he estimates the update to come out by a certain time, doesnt mean it'll be finished by then
This isn't a school project due date

[hoary dawn]

yea but when you thumb up people asking if its gonna be out this week, and then it isn't out that week, you have a problem

[honest sparrow]

especially when it is becoming a more normal occurence

[manic flint]

It's
If all goes to plan then probably
It obviously has not all gone to plan

All we know that it is almost done

[hoary dawn]

(and yknow its a rule of the server to not ask for etas and responding to them just encourages more people to break the rule)

[manic flint]

Fair

[hybrid matrix]

Ayy anyone wanna tell me why they didnt like my silencer suggestion?

[safe galleon]

It negates the downside of guns

So now you have a ranged silent and extremely high damage attack

Don’t sound that balanced or fair or even fun

[hybrid matrix]

Its nowhere near silent

It lowers the distance the sound travels
Tbf thats not exactly specific

From what i know guns are gonna be super loud (especially with echoing), and what im suggesting is that silencers reduce the echo

[paper geyser]

people see silencer and immediately assume silent guns

bleh

i like the idea of doing what suppressors actually do

reduce the range at which a gun is heard and prevent you from going deaf

[paper oriole]

realism isnt exactly a solid reason to add something especially if it can just destroy peoples' gameplay loop with pure rng

also imagine the server lag from a forest fire

[tired tiger]

ok

[tidal frigate]

Silencers aren’t supposed to be quiet it’s supposed to muffle the sound while making the sound not like a gun

[dense wagon]

exactly, just look at BoB

[tired tiger]

bob sucks guys

[vale pawn]

im down to get randomly hit by a lighting strike

[bold palm]

Look at Mad Max, when they have the wind storms, something like that is doable. Not sure fires would work very well as ya might be too laggy, would like to see volcanos and stuff, but ya, depends on the resources needed and if it hurts performance too much would not be good for the game.

and yes the storms in Mad Max are epic

prob get that game close to free by now if you wanna check it out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZiThaRSjJg&t=11s

[paper oriole]

Herds shouldn’t spawn in with injured and sick mwmbers thats just gift bagging for carni players lmao

[bold palm]

it's a bug

[paper oriole]

And whether they prioritize in fleeing or not should depend on the species

[paper oriole]

???

I was responding to a suggestion

[bold palm]

never mind then

[bold palm]

Need sniffing while crouched.

[tired tiger]

yes

[bold palm]

honestly shouldn't be any restriction on smell regarless of rest, walking, crouch or herbie carnivore.

unless there is a good reason why it needs to be that way?

[paper oriole]

Herbis should have to stop to sniff foot tracks but other than that wtf is the point of not lettinf them walksniff i don’t understand the devs sometimes

Like just let them smell everything else while moving and only have to stop to register tracks

It cant be that hard for them to do that right

[bold palm]

I'd think it could be done yes.

not sure how hard it would be.

[paper oriole]

Also would be nice if we didnt have to sniff for the compass

[bold palm]

yeah that would be nice to have a static compass.

ability to turn on off in settings

[barren zephyr]

I mean, it's like you really need to use the compass

[paper oriole]

Of have it like this not invasive on ui

[bold palm]

I really don't, but I know the map

[paper oriole]

Compass can be useful in areas where you cant see landmarks

Like forests

[bold palm]

but even then, i get lost sometimes and it would be nice to know the direction, i'm fine with sniff to get it honestly, but having a static option would be cool too.

[barren zephyr]

yes, to find a proper bearing- always good.
But, it adds to that survival mechanic of- understanding where you're going.

The use of a proper compass isn't always needed

[bold palm]

i think the sniff is like their way of replicating the natural way of an animal to get direction and technically not have n/s/e/w would be more realistic in a sense as animals don't understand direction like we do. But it's humans playing the animal so...

if you play as human you could have to build a compass or something.

[barren zephyr]

I'd presume we wont have to sniff to get our bearing as a Merc

[paper oriole]

human sniff mechanic lmao

[barren zephyr]

either a compass you'll find or an inbuilt one

[bold palm]

haha yeah right.

[barren zephyr]

I hope you'll have to find an actual compass as a merc

makes life harder- pushes you to do more (a little)

[paper oriole]

humans would have a built in compass id assume and their 'sniff' would be kneeling down to inspect for tracks or survey for plants within viewing range

not actual scent

like once they obtain a compass it would be added to their ui

[bold palm]

ya adding human tracking methods would be dope.

pt should be able to smell fish ?

[paper oriole]

i mean it can already see the ripples right

[barren zephyr]

it should be able to smell fish and dead bodies easier than anything else

[fickle jacinth]

Stop ping on myself

[barren zephyr]

the pathway of Ptera scavenger fits quite well in this environment.

[paper oriole]

ptera, cerato, compsognathus (and maybe rugops) generally should have larger corpse smelling radius than everybody else

unless mono also gets a scent bonus because of his big ass nose

[barren zephyr]

yes

[tired tiger]

ill ping u all the time now

[fickle jacinth]

that is harassmnent

[manic flint]

You can mute it lmao

[upbeat jackal]

I hope humans have to get out of their trucks and go down to the river for water

To fill canteens or something

[barren zephyr]

then deino 🙂

[upbeat jackal]

Or get ambushed in the bushes while they're going to get water

Imagine mercs driving trucks through shallows running everybody over lmao that'll be a pain

[fickle jacinth]

that is harassment

[manic flint]

if you think being pinged is harassment sure

[fickle jacinth]

yes

[manic flint]

Austro would fit well in the current roster, but it's probably too early in development

[hoary dawn]

that do be why discord added the block feature

aw man its gone

[keen vapor]

@rose sandal Its confirmed to come in update 4

[rose sandal]

Good to hear!

[lone kite]

@fallen jolt have u tryed not safe loging as to not lose ur dino as far as ive heard its when u safe log that it glitches

[lavish quail]

Nah it happens in server restarts too

[fallen jolt]

@lone kite i tried all lolol, safe and none safe log, alt f4 even, party no party, ye even in server restart i lost dinos, like yesterday a 60% croc after a restart ...

[lavish quail]

The solution really is to not play

[barren zephyr]

@fallen path could not agree more with ur pfp

[limber hull]

why would you make that your PFP

[wintry gulch]

For the attention.

[limber hull]

true lmao

I would've said something else but I really don't want a boring and pointless BoB verse TI argument in this channel lmao

[wintry gulch]

Yeah, best way to silence the trolls is to starve them. The discussion is old but I guess some people aren't happy unless they have something to complain about. 🤷‍♀️

[barren zephyr]

I mean if lighter creatures like Utah and Gali moved up hills faster than stuff like Rex and allo then sure. At least every creature isn’t painfully walking

[fallen path]

lol thx

[barren zephyr]

people will have opinions, personally i prefer bob over isle as well but im not gonna go to war over it

[limber hull]

i personally cant stand BoB for a plethora of reasons. I don't make my PFP a bait message tho

[barren zephyr]

Guess thats understandable

[fallen path]

Is my pfp a problem to u?

[hoary dawn]

its a very funny joke

[safe galleon]

some would even call it a "meme"

[barren zephyr]

it is indeed rather comedic

[honest sparrow]

Hilarious even

[dense meteor]

I don't get it

[fallen path]

Its not a joke.

[barren zephyr]

that’s a cool joke

[hoary dawn]

mhm yep absolutely 👍

[fallen path]

Yes

[hoary dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/thor-of-course-of-course-of-course-peter-quill-chris-hemsworth-gif-15226626

[meager tiger]

@errant tartan whats volumetric fog

@hybrid matrix why not just wear the gun headphone muffs

[hybrid matrix]

Yes
Wear sound canceling headphones on an island full of dinosaurs. That's a good idea

[meager tiger]

So how do soliders irl get by without using silencers

Or they just suffer hearing loss

[hybrid matrix]

[meager tiger]

Be kinda dumb if the millitary didn't look into that, since silencers are not widespread?

[hybrid matrix]

Ok

So

Depending on the type of soldier

Artillerymen have headphones

Anyone who has anyrhing to do with a helicopter wears headphones

[meager tiger]

Wait

[hybrid matrix]

Ground units dont have headphones

[meager tiger]

Discord has a basic sound system that cancels out loud ass noises. But it still lets in normal and quiet noises. Now the millitary recives billions of dollars of funding. Wouldn't it be possible that someone has invented gun headphones that only cancel out dangerous noises but let in noises that are important to hear?

[hoary dawn]

w

i think you misunderstand the point of having silencers in the game

[meager tiger]

this wasnt my idea

ask the irs

lol

[hybrid matrix]

The problem with that is a giant dino can just sneak up

[meager tiger]

? I'm pretty sure your gonna feel the ground shake with a 10 ton beast coming to you. Also it's your own fault for not looking behind you constanly. I do that in shooters alot

and if thats your solo

Squadmates are suppose to cover flanks

[dense meteor]

Bro update 3 is already out wym

[hybrid matrix]

Ok so like
Thwse arent soldiers

These are mercs

[meager tiger]

mercs from who

A goverment? A large millitary company?

[icy lion]

that message is many months old

[hybrid matrix]

AE doesnt have 700 billion dollars to make special headphones

[meager tiger]

some random rednecks in the forest?

[versed zodiac]

dude that was soo long ago.

[meager tiger]

Who are the mercs

[hybrid matrix]

Theyre sent by Apollo Engineering

Do u pay attention to the lore?

Bc i dont

[versed zodiac]

that was a year ago

[hybrid matrix]

And i know that

[dense meteor]

My bad my sense of time is all over the place

[meager tiger]

dude

[icy lion]

[versed zodiac]

clearly

[meager tiger]

google gun muffs

[dense meteor]

It's like I been walking with the dinos been crazy

[meager tiger]

they all amplfly low level sound

Civllian ones do this

[versed zodiac]

i was just like

[meager tiger]

now imagine a somewhat rich company knowligly going to a fucking hell island with 10 ton beasts

[dense meteor]

The second jurassic park

[meager tiger]

yall are trolls lol. If civlians muffs amplyfly low level sound so you can still hear and the mic picks up a loud noise it will block it then it should be the end of the discussion

[hybrid matrix]

Ok
U would need these muffs on all the time bc u dont know when u'll get attacked
Thats dumb bc then ur ears are less sensitive
You can hear with no problems if u just use a silencer and then u wouldnt have any problems with hearing

[meager tiger]

so when people bear hunt

they have a silencer?

[hybrid matrix]

They arent using assault weapons that fire constantly

Rapidly*

[meager tiger]

yeah whatever im done feeding you

troll

silncers are used for hearing protection lol

Nooo not at all to make the gun not boom and heard miles away

your the first person ive met whose told me otherwise

[hybrid matrix]

Gtg catch a plane

[meager tiger]

also the muffs are better than normal ears

they amplify low level sound

[hybrid matrix]

Did u even read my suggestion?

[meager tiger]

which means a sneaking dino is gonna have a harder time

yes

[hybrid matrix]

And again
I have to go im at an airport

[meager tiger]

and why do you think 32 people disagreeed

cya later

[hybrid matrix]

Bc they assumed i meant hollywood silencers

If u read my addition to that suggestion it clarifies that i didnt mean ultra silent poison dart silencers

Goodbye

[paper oriole]

The isle fan art channel really is a disaster

Gotta agree

Isle related stuff actually gets deleted pretty often while offtopic shit stays

[honest sparrow]

No slightly comedic isle art but feel free to post this random art of something not even in game

[dense meteor]

@barren zephyr maybe stop growing big dinos? Lol

[paper geyser]

didn't wanna say it but yeah, it's really only your own fault if you keep growing stegos and deinos while knowing about the bug that deletes people's saves. The devs know about the bug and the fix will come in update 4

[paper oriole]

Like literally theres freegrow servers just play on those

[dense meteor]

I just grow utahs or play as hypsie and chase juvies around

[paper oriole]

I play smalls 90% of the time too even without the bugs so im kinda lucky lol

[unreal ridge]

i want to make a quetz nest entirely out of baby bones

do not deny me my right

[paper oriole]

know what

yeah, let's make quetz disgusting

it's not shit so it's fine

[unreal ridge]

we already have vomiting

[paper oriole]

yeah

[unreal ridge]

why not vomiting up bones

[paper oriole]

it could be neat as long as we cant like purposelly throw up o players

at least easily

[unreal ridge]

i think it would be neat if quetz could just grab things then shake the life out of them mid air

[paper oriole]

idk if itd really have the beak to do that

hes like a pelican giraffe

[dense meteor]

You think he'd have the strength if he was flying above the tree top to move the trees from the force of wind

[karmic plank]

I feel like quetz would be more likely to grab stuff and bash it against a tree

[unreal ridge]

or just grab them and drop em from up really high if the creature is too big too swallow

[karmic plank]

I believe there's a soft confirm that quetz won't be able to carry live prey, sadly

[unreal ridge]

i think one animal you should be able to carry alive are baby ankylosaurus

cus they are just turtles with more heft

you gotta drop em from a height

[wary zenith]

Quick random question, are they any plans on fixing our dino dissapearing after logging out? second time I lose a full grown Deino after safe logging

[modern epoch]

Is there a date for the update?

[swift dew]

update 4, they didn't release a fix for it because update 4 is right around the corner.

[wary zenith]

yea but its kind of messed up that it takes so long to fix a problem regarding save files. And waiting for the update doesn't make it look like apriority either

[swift dew]

the problem is its more than just a hotfix, its a problem that requires a large fix. there is no need to add something like that when the stress test is today

[wary zenith]

I understand, but for how long has it been in the game though? I still remember the bug that made me spawn in a totally unrelated area as a new baby dino that I hadn't picked

[hoary dawn]

i swear if it isn't

filipe needs his reaction privileges taken

[compact hare]

@drowsy sage check this #isle-discussion message

[drowsy sage]

thanks

[compact hare]

np

[karmic plank]

I'm hoping that after U4 we see a bit more focus on maintaining the shipped version in parallel with developing the next version, but we shall have to wait and see

[barren zephyr]

Fuck salt reacts, it’s a straight time sink to lose hours of progression where you did no wrong

[karmic plank]

@crystal trail Does having a stress test Linux server mean that we can expect the return of Linux servers for U4? Would save us community hosters a lot of money, that's for sure

[crystal trail]

They'll return, however I can't guarantee that they will be part of Update 4.

[meager tiger]

where do we put feedback for the test

[crystal trail]

#885026244444442655

[meager tiger]

They really need to add a queue system lol

[meager tiger]

@bold palm Honestly yeah, can't smell while walking or laying down is quite dumb. even a human with a much less powerful nose can smell food while running around. I can smell barbqeue running around in my yard and its who knows how many houses away lol

Now take a creature whose relies on smelling in the wild to find food or identify other species since there eyesight is not as good as ours

@fallen path can they also get a speed boost for running downhill? Or atleast use less stam?

@barren zephyr I think we should change the smelling prey or animals system as well. I don't think it's realstic if something is tracking something and the animal keeps turning or changing direction, the hunter doesnt just go "Oh he turned west right here, went around this tree, went up the rocks and back down, went down there but looks like he came back up hill, and now he's sitting over in that bush..." idk it;s just dumb. Offers zero chance for the prey to hide if hunters can just xray footprints. It's not even fun as a hunter either, I enjoy the chase/seek more than the tracking part of a hunt

Tracking shouldnt have 100% accuracy

It should be somewhat vague

or atleast slower to aquire that much knowledge

Maybe nerf smelling but add other system for tracking such as physical footprints, broken twigs/branches, blood stains. Vague clues that take a bit to process giving the prey a chance to hide, regroup or plan a counter attack. Maybe not all dinosaurs smeling should be nerfed. Maybe some carnivores are better smellers than others. Maybe some can collect information better in other ways like "see" blood better. Idk

[fallen path]

@fallen path can they also get a speed boost for running downhill? Or atleast use less stam?
@meager tiger yes

[meager tiger]

So i don't really understand how heavy objects vs small objects work for downhill

A bowlingball and a paper clip reach the ground at the same time

but a truck going downhill is much faster or powerful than a bicycle

or a small car

Wait

I got a idea

What if dinosaurs whose main attacks are charging (Pachy, trikes,..etc) damage is boosted x% based on velocity over the veolcity you can normally go on flat ground. This works against you when charging uphill?

a rhino going downhill hurts more than it panting upwards

maybe dinosaurs who are hit also go flying back/knockback is increased

[karmic plank]

I think the idea of speed changes based on gradient is a good one, as is stamina drain being affected

But then asking abilities to also scale on speed is a bit much

[meager tiger]

isnt it realsitic though?

and versatile

[karmic plank]

Realism isn't everything

[meager tiger]

you can use terrain to your advtange

during combat

[karmic plank]

And speed is not an exact science in networked gaming

[meager tiger]

...GTA does it with cars?

[karmic plank]

Do you remember the physics freak outs in those sorts of games haha

[meager tiger]

I guess

[karmic plank]

It's usually very glitchy

[meager tiger]

Idk I can just see the hill boost for knockback being useful in many cases

or decreased going uphill

[karmic plank]

It's also a prime target for hacks, and a lot of server load to combat it

[meager tiger]

like when facing a trike always have the highground

[karmic plank]

Imo it's a good idea but probably one to consider down the track, maybe U5 or U6

Let's get a feel for pachy first

[meager tiger]

This is far down the road but i'm just picturing some idiot merc parked there car near a ledge down the cliffside and a trike comes abrreling down the hill chasing the mercs, they hop in the car before it reachs them but the trikes slams into the car and the car goes down the cliff

[karmic plank]

Though the idea of doing a Swan dive off a cliff as pachy into an unsuspecting target below does fill me with glee

[meager tiger]

lol diving pachys

falling cocnuts 2.0

10x deadlier

[karmic plank]

Yeah, those sorts of physics interactions are when we really need to have the speed stuff sorted too. Same for sliding to a stop like carno does - would be great to see that influenced by slope

I'm not sure if that sort of thing is planned yet

[meager tiger]

momentum would be awesome

trex chasing someone in a cave and the prey turns and the trex slams into the wall

since it cannot turn fast at all

[karmic plank]

Remember that The Isle is set up to be very light on server resources (which is why most hit registration is client side) so it can scale to high player counts

Physics stuff tends to be a bit iffy with low tick rates and lots of client-side stuff

So I'm not sure if proper physics interactions are planned at this stage?

[meager tiger]

I hope that changes far in the fure. This is supposed to be the dinosaur game and large 10 ton beasts during combat are powerful, slow, but can really fuck up the enviroment, use terrain to there advtange heavily, and use objects/structures. Kinda like a miniature kaiju battle

I don't really want this whole boxing match exchange hits kinda thing for 100% combat

endless rooster fight

I want to see some cool action scenes, smart/funny plays, etc..

[karmic plank]

Yeah, me too, but there is a lot of work to get there unless there's a good UE plugin for it. Even Battlefield took ages to really get physics happening, and Frostbite is a multi-million engine that's been evolving for over a decade

[meager tiger]

well, we can dream can we lol 😛

[karmic plank]

Haha for sure

[meager tiger]

Do you believe terrain/object interaction should be more of a deciding factor of a battle than pure stats (HP, damage, speed)?

[karmic plank]

Do you mean like "It's over anakin, I have the high ground?"

[meager tiger]

No, but you know how most movies the small hero defeats the large foe not by sheer "stats" but by quickly planning or firguring out weaknesses or using the enviroment during the battle

Its not a gaurtneed victory

[karmic plank]

Oh right, yeah I absolutely want tactics and cunning to almost count for more than brute strength

[meager tiger]

Any fight scene of a beast i can think off in movies or shows has this

[karmic plank]

That's one of the things I like about Utah and teno - it's not just a DPS race, it's about strategy

And old Carno vs stego

Admittedly teno is a bit OP this patch but good carnos can still fight them a bit like deino vs stego

I love the idea of handing players a box of tools and abilities and saying "here, work something out"

[meager tiger]

Combat for equal weight classes or equal forces should be on average slowed down as they start adding more tools to add to combat. I'm a bit worried as combat already feels super fast paced and one wrong move means certain death 90% of the time. Like a mortal combat fight. Idk how to really balance a nature based game for sometimes there is quick deaths while aslo having the option for longer epic battles?

is it even possible to have both

[karmic plank]

Ah, what you are talking about is usually referred to as TTL (Time To Live)

[meager tiger]

huh?

[karmic plank]

So say you just gave absolutely everything double HP

[meager tiger]

ohh

I do that in my animal fight simualtor game. I love watching them fight for longer lol

[karmic plank]

The balance would be roughly the same - one shots and stuns aside - but the TTL would be longer

From a realism point of view I think TI has it about right atm

[meager tiger]

its realistic yeah

but is it fun?

[karmic plank]

I really like Utah gameplay with long term fights and attrition

I think there will be a choice

[meager tiger]

Ok

It will also depend on the biome

A plain jane grassfield

combat will be quick

[karmic plank]

Carno is all about that big alpha strike with charge and alt bite, Utah is more about slow careful wearing them down

[meager tiger]

but a cliffside full of narrow ledges or a super dense jungle

combat will be slowed and require thinking

[karmic plank]

I loved U3 carno vs stego fights, one of my favourite thing in both sides

[meager tiger]

Carno is a ambush predator?

[karmic plank]

5min or more of careful baiting swings, going for bites, slowly wearing them down

That's my impression. Charge is their main tool, and it's not effective against something able to see you coming and move out of the way

But I disagree a lot with other people here who I suspect know better so don't take my word for it

[meager tiger]

how do you make carno ambush more effective if that's suppose to be their main gimmick?

[karmic plank]

Probably sound queues and foliage cover, and tools to help carno find targets without being seen or heard

It's hard to get ambushes against most herbivores when their food is way out in the open

And your hunger timer doesn't give you the luxury of sitting and waiting for someone to come close

So, at least in my experience, most fights either require your prey to be day dreaming, unable to escape due to speed differences or blood loss, or them to be willing combatants

Or them to be distracted fighting something else

[meager tiger]

that's what kinda sucks in a gameified nature sim. Ambush preadtors are hard to design/boring

who wants to sit in a river for a hour

or in a treeline

maybe if they add A.I?

idk

[karmic plank]

We really need the ability to track scent trails over much longer distances imo

[meager tiger]

I think smelling tracks is already OP Enough

[karmic plank]

So you can spend 15 minutes tracking and following potential prey and waiting for the exact right time to attack

[meager tiger]

see this

[fickle jacinth]

Why do people salt and ok on someone? It's developers bug and fault thet they have lost a dinosaur even despite them sleeping

[meager tiger]

during a chase its OP

[karmic plank]

Because there is at least 3 per day, and they are tired of seeing them

[meager tiger]

actual tracking and locating prey its fine

but during a intense chase its not fun

[karmic plank]

What do you mean during a chase? Carnivores have to slow to sniff - or do you think the range is a bit large?

Or do you mean that scent is too annoying to use during a fast chase

[meager tiger]

Maybe the range? Idk. When I get chased as aherbi and break line of sight, I would assume I lost the preadtor for a short bit of time. Giving me time to either think of a counter attack, hide, or maybe mindgame/juke. If you read my previous post I just feel 100% accuracy tracking isnt fun, not really realistic. Yeah you could say find mud but theres not gonna be mud everywhere and just the thought I have to do X action everytime during a chase...idk

like oh the prey turned left right here, went up this hill, went back down the hill, around this rock which means they are about 100 feet that way

I'm not against finding that info

[karmic plank]

Ah, yeah I suggested that running through mud should very briefly hide your trail, giving you a windrow to break sight, but it wasn't well received

[meager tiger]

but to find that info in 10 seconds

is OP as hell

idk what animal does that irl lol

[karmic plank]

I think a system where scent started out vague and short ranged, and you needed to sniff for a while to make it accurate and long ranged... But as for realism, having taken dogs hunting - they can track stuff very quickly by scent

[meager tiger]

I like that idea

The more time you spend searching for clues

[karmic plank]

They follow trails at a fast canter, with some back tracking, but still quickly

[meager tiger]

the more info you get

we could also throw in other means of tracking

blood stains, broken twigs, actual footprints

not glow in the dark neon trails

[karmic plank]

I like the idea of being able to sniff at a fast trott but you need to stay pretty much on top of the trail while you are doing it - if you lose it you need to slow and sniff for longer to find it again

But our trott speeds are basically walking, really need them faster imo

A trott should be more than half sprinting speed

[meager tiger]

maybe the scents should be spaced out like in legacy. not as far as in legacy but I feel tracking during a hunt needs to be slowed a bit and require thinking, not this whole "He went that way...this way...that way..." all while charging full steam ahead

[karmic plank]

I believe there are reworks to the scent system planned, but it's definitely worth providing suggestions for it

[meager tiger]

I liked that jacks idea. The scent isnt a see through walls or see 100 footprints. Instead it gives a direction. This still makes scent important but also tracking with other clues is important as well

[karmic plank]

I think that works well when you have just one thing you can smell, but what about when there's dozens of things?

The idea I had was scent should fade with distance and time, and sniffing for longer - especially when standing still - gave you more range and you could smell older trails

[meager tiger]

wait

What about wind

[karmic plank]

So they would start out bright and yellow, fade to grey, then finally just be footprints

[meager tiger]

that could be a major influence

upwind smells are easier

downwind smells are much harder to track?

wait i got the backwards

i think

[karmic plank]

Wind should play into pack scent and nest scent, but not really the trails imo

[meager tiger]

why? if a animal is running in zigzags it would be diffuclt to find direction based on smell alone

[karmic plank]

Remember that following a trail animals usually have their nose right on top of the trail so wind doesn't really play into it

They aren't smelling odour left in the air, but odour actively being given off by stuff that was touched

[meager tiger]

oh ok

that makes sense

[karmic plank]

But we need to have scent a bit easier to use since we can't spend a whole day sniffing around and hoping to find a trail

[meager tiger]

your idea for balance is good

longer time smelling gives more info

[karmic plank]

And you can tell how old the trail is too

And the trails can last for longer

As players spread out with diets I'm expecting that carnivores won't be able to rely on running around and just spotting players at a distance - you will need to find their trail and track them down

Which means trails need to last for longer than 60s

[meager tiger]

Do you have any ideas how to balance short term tracking during the chase

The fight and the line of sight chase should be the the majority of the hunt

[karmic plank]

Not really, sorry - my one idea (fresh blood doesn't require sniffing) was already implemented

[meager tiger]

not a instakill and track them

[karmic plank]

I feel like the issue is a short sniff while walking gives too much range, and the trails are a bit too easy to spot at range

But that can't be nerfed until it's buffed in other ways (or reworked)

But as a carnivore looking for food slowing to a trott to sniff is really annoying, because trott is (imo) too slow

The litmus test is sort of: can you find AI dryo without listening for their 1 call? And the answer us usually no

[meager tiger]

Currently i feel envirma hunts are 80% tracking, 15% chasing and all that time it ends in a instakill if you are not a equal weight class or force. Legacy hunts were maybe 20% tracking, 30% line of sight chase scene and 50% actual fight or hide and seek.

[karmic plank]

Maybe I'm not a good tracker, but I rely on sound and sight way more than scent as a carnivore

Scent is pretty buggy for me, trails just magically stop too much

At least for AI

[meager tiger]

I played the pheasent dinosaur got chased and tracked by a raptor and instakilled after i was bleeding. I played a juvi teno and a carno was chasing me. I got a huge head start into the jungle. I thought I lost him. 20 seconds later he shows up and one shots me

its realistic I guess

but not really fun for both sides

[karmic plank]

There are also carnos with hacks that remove all the foliage - not saying that happened to you, but it has happened to me

[meager tiger]

maybe thats what it was

a hacker

he had a body down

[karmic plank]

Hard to know without seeing the footage

[meager tiger]

so I thought we wasnt chasing me

i still ran like 1000 feet

he didnt show up immdeielty

[karmic plank]

If you were well hidden and they sprinted for a long distance, they shouldn't of been able to know where you were (unless it was an obvious hiding spot)

But anyway. I think most people agree the scent system could use a lot of improvement

There's just other higher priority stuff at the moment

[meager tiger]

yes

indeed

[paper oriole]

A buff for failing to feed yourself? Lmao

[limber hull]

Me starving myself in order to beat other players in 1v1s

[paper oriole]

Yeah let's punish herbi players by buffing carnis who dont keep themselves fed enough on their own

[paper oriole]

Yeah i can definitely see this happening

[limber hull]

there should never be damage buffs in this game that aren't immediately visually displayed (growth, elders, Type-H, etc)

If its just "low hunger = high damage" then its too easy and very dumb

[paper oriole]

And especially shouldn’t be faction specific damage buffs that reward you for being shit at the game + are easy to exploit

Would herbis and omnis get anything to compensate? Probably not, it isnt worth the trouble to add something like that for any of the three factions

[limber hull]

If you're starving, find a corpse, get a kill or die. That's how it works

[paper oriole]

If you starve to death you’ll be food for scavengers, circle of life

[limber hull]

Its like people can't understand the concept of starving to death in a game about surviving as a fucking dinosaur

You will get hungry.

[paper oriole]

Yeah like the hunger and thirst meters are there for a reason and predators arent supposed to be easy living

Unless youre a ptera i guess

[limber hull]

lmao yea

Add quetz/deino vertical lunge so ptera occasionally gets to experience fear of predators

Please I'm so sick of this thing being incapable of death

[paper oriole]

I think deinos gonna get one at least

Do some sniping

Ptera can barely be called a carni rn it can live entirely free of PvP and has to willfully put itself in danger to die

[limber hull]

lmao true

But it technically IS a carnivore

But it basically behaves as a herbi

[paper oriole]

Yeah piscivores are technically carnis

Hopefully diets heavily encourage scavenging so ptera has to land more

[limber hull]

Personally, I'm fine with ptera being a non-hunter, adds more diversity than "carnivore eat you, herbivore not eat you"

[paper oriole]

Yeah im fine with it not hunting but i think it should be a little less immortal

Hunting is for quetz

[novel sigil]

when u hatch 😆

[paper oriole]

Food

[lapis tree]

@old oak there’s already a percentage indicator. You just need to press insert or go into the chat then hover your mouse over the food or water bar

[old oak]

I know there is a percentage indicator in the character menu, what I think is that it should always be shown in the UI

[bold palm]

i ambush people all the time. pt especially.

not sure what design they'd need, it's more about how the person plays the game wouldn't you say? If a design is what you need then look at nature, nature provides a really good design. 🙂

[hybrid matrix]

the monty python gif is wrong

the rabbit isnt from life of brian

its from The Holy Grail

[hoary dawn]

@mild token that's not really feedback about the game

[paper oriole]

Ah yes small modern gator can hop so big 8 ton gator should hop too

[mild token]

Well, where do we post these things then to give ideas for the game, and things that can help improve it?

[hoary dawn]

ideas for the game go in general feedback

[mild token]

Where's that channel?

ah

[hoary dawn]

the one above this one

[mild token]

i see

Yeah, found it, and ty

Wait, I posted in that channel already

[hoary dawn]

yea

and it wasn't an idea for the game

[mild token]

So what's the problem?

What, that they could try add it maybe?

[paper oriole]

Do you want deinosuchus to gallop and hop like PoT Sarco?

[mild token]

It's an suggestion, not a must.

[hoary dawn]

you didn't say anything about the game in the post, its just pointing out that small crocs can hop

and deino would absolutely not be able to do that

its the size of a bus

[mild token]

Well, excuse me for not knowing that I must type in an specific way

[paper oriole]

Unless you want baby deino to hop, and baby deino is the size of a modern croc

Wouldnt be able to do it much

[mild token]

And no I will not read those messages from who is typing something.

[hoary dawn]

what

[paper oriole]

lol

[mild token]

Someone who is blocked types something.

[paper oriole]

Lmao

[hoary dawn]

when you make a suggestion it helps to specify what exactly you're suggesting

[mild token]

idk what and don't care

[paper oriole]

He has me blocked

Good shit

[hoary dawn]

me too

[paper oriole]

What did i even do that's actually hilarious

“How dare they disagree with me!”

[mild token]

I'm suggesting that it would be epic if they could jump a little, I even wish carno could jump while they are young. Before they becomes too big and heavy.

[hoary dawn]

not even disagreeing, juvie deino having a little hop would be pretty cute, adult deino hell no

[paper oriole]

Who is he talking to lmao

This man

Blocks everyone and talks to himself

[hoary dawn]

then specify that's what you mean in the post

just saying something is cool isn't a good way to format a suggestion

[mild token]

Never used that word, I used "Epic"

[hoary dawn]

discord block feature

[mild token]

?

Have a good night.

[hoary dawn]

aight

interesting

[swift dew]

@mild token you do realize all those gators you showed were like. 5 kg? and we have an 8 ton croc.

[mild token]

I'm suggesting that it would be epic if they could jump a little, I even wish carno could jump while they are young. Before they becomes too big and heavy.

[swift dew]

even the young ones are like the size of a medium sized gator

[dense meteor]

Just seems like a useless animation considering they are in the water 90% of the time

[paper oriole]

ahh another empty "nerf x herbivore" suggestion

[sacred moat]

Love to see them

[bright zinc]

anyone else on QA not able to find any servers?

[static niche]

pls dont start the queue system suggestion spam again. they've already said they're working on one.

[glass swan]

wait...is it true that rex is gonna be an ai?

[paper oriole]

how about instead of slapping broken raptor ai in certain spots on the map they just fix the heat seeking missile behaviour instead

yeah it would be nice if certain ai showed up in certain biomes but that is not the solution here

[karmic plank]

Amar0k has been making the behaviour feel a bit more lifelike - they seem to follow trails instead of just going straight for you - but I still think it's going to be basically impossible to have the AI smart enough inside the server load limits

[fallen drift]

I'm a bit confused on the diet system... how do I find each of the colors to fill on nutrients? Is it each type of preferred food?

[paper oriole]

pretty much, they represent nutrients that are found in each preferred food

[fallen drift]

So is the main game going to have a colored name above it? Seems a bit silly...

the release* I mean

otherwise how would you know which nutrient it gives?

[hoary dawn]

the 3 little hexagons in the bottom right above your food bar

each one is for a different nutrient

for dryo oranges fill the blue one, agaves fill the red one, and roots fill the yellow

[meager tiger]

Are herbivores suppose to be agressive. I can maybe understand a male full grown teno but would a juvi female teno a.i still attack on sight vs a smaller herbivore?

[maiden anvil]

@barren zephyr It's not a bad suggestion. I definitely feel like there should be a hud that tells you information on what you're smelling but I'm afraid it would tell you a little too much info

[paper oriole]

A big box listing unneeded info is intrusive on the ui too, not pleasant to look at

As if the deino sense wasnt bad enough

And the game shouldn’t just spoonfeed you info

There should be more subtle ways that give information

[maiden anvil]

Indeed^

[modern fjord]

@maiden anvil Lipids: Scent

[meager tiger]

what color are lipids, carbs, and proteisn

[modern fjord]

Lipids: Blue
Carbs: Yellow
Protein: Red

[meager tiger]

do they do anything

or just need all three for boosts

[modern fjord]

They taste gud

[meager tiger]

so theres no point in pritozing one over the other

carbs don't give short term stam boost or protien gives most growth boost

etc

[paper oriole]

@maiden anvil
Lipids irl involve energy and nerve activity. They can affect stamina usage on abilities (while carbs affect regeneration), as well as scent and nightvision.

Either or both could be a good usage for them imo

[thin ember]

i join game to find testing servers and getting this error

• cant see any server

fresh install lol

[paper oriole]

[karmic plank]

Mine did that too. Decided I'd already seen all it had to offer

[subtle edge]

hi, i try since yesterday to come on mechanic test server, so, i see nothing, it load infinite :/ a trick for resolve?

[maiden anvil]

That's cool. I didn't know that

[lavish quail]

the ai are fine wdym @bold stratus

plus they arent finished

only the normal animals are meh

[worldly matrix]

Hello! ^^ Is there anything that i can do against the endless searching for server?

[bold stratus]

i was attacking an ai teno and its doing nothing to me , just standing there

[lavish quail]

show diet

do it

if im right its cause your doing 0 damage to it

[bold stratus]

i was doing damage cause it had scars but it took too long and i just left lol

but u get my point

[lavish quail]

it mabye did babu amounts of bleed

[bold stratus]

but the point is, its shouldnt happen , the ai is really basic, they just run attack run attack , sometimes staying still forever and let the player attack it , its just Basic AI

[lavish quail]

its still in development

yes its not perfect

but its still not done

neither is the test its in

considering that we dont have trees or port

[marble nexus]

i think the Ai utah looks horrible it can find you even if you like ran away like it just know where you are even if you dont make any sounds

[hoary dawn]

the ai has been in development for well over a year and is still basic and dumb

its no better than legacy ai

[sacred moat]

^

Utah rn acts like the velo AI that attacks juvis

[hoary dawn]

only permanently in the eating animation

[haughty dagger]

Hey anyone else stuck at "cinematic" settings?

On top of that. MASSIVE cpu draw and significant fps issues

[feral solstice]

AI is also a very, very complex thing to develop

[icy lion]

amarok has also been working on countless other things

[feral solstice]

And it’s understandable that it has bugs and shit cause Amarok is the ONLY AI PROGRAMMER

In AAA teams there’s more than one

Which still pretty much takes a year for it to be programmed correctly and polished

Overstepping and saying he’s programming his “AI” bad is very sad

[hoary dawn]

the ai is bad though, no matter how many excuses amarok has its still not good ai

[dire peak]

sends funny screenshot

[barren zephyr]

They already told us they gonna improve the Utah AI.

And the Utah ai is easily avoided u hear them miles away.

[hoary dawn]

avoiding the ai isn't the issue

[barren zephyr]

Also there is a bug when u are babbie dryo u can just stand under them and they wont do damage to you sometimes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV3V6O0Uotc&ab_channel=Gabriele

[feral solstice]

The ai yes, but saying Amarok is doing a bad job at programming his AI is a very big stretch lol

[hoary dawn]

well i wouldn't exactly call it a good job with what we have

he'll have done a good job when the ai actually functions properly

[feral solstice]

Exactly. But he’s not doing a “bad job” at developing his AI like this other person is saying. He’s doing his best with the time he has.

But I agree with what you said

[weak dune]

I wouldn't really say the AI is in a great spot rn but they're sort of trying to accomplish what a big development studio would normally produce with a small indie team and lbh here, a lot of people are holding the AI to the standard of AAA studios

[icy lion]

people seem to expect one man to make rdr2 level ai in less than a year while working on other areas

[weak dune]

Basically, yeah (and let's not forget what the RDR2 programmers and artists had to go through in terms of work crunch to make that game, unethical as Hell work push). While it'd be awesome to see AI to that level, its not going to happen fast, and getting other mechanics right the first time saves more time than it loses.

[hoary dawn]

they are reaching too high for what they are capable of doing

making ai indistinguishable from players is too much for one dude

[weak dune]

Wait, is flooding / drought in?

[hoary dawn]

no

[weak dune]

Because this was a river yesterday

South pond shrunk

[hoary dawn]

either a visual bug or a dev messing around

[feral solstice]

There’s tides

[weak dune]

Aaaaaah

Weird that it affects the river

[feral solstice]

Rivers have tides too

[weak dune]

Huh

Good to know

[feral solstice]

In the canyon, it’s very noticeable

[hoary dawn]

i dont remember seeing that mentioned at all

[weak dune]

I don't either but still neat

[feral solstice]

The canyons above is when it dries up
The bottom is when the rivers are back to normal

[icy lion]

tides=/=droughts

[feral solstice]

Interesting cause we do in-fact have tides rn

[feral solstice]

^

[hoary dawn]

tides have never been mentioned either

[feral solstice]

Oh well

They’re in the test rn

[weak dune]

I'm guessing tides are the pre-test to droughts

[feral solstice]

Pretty much

[hoary dawn]

nice of them to not tell us these things

[feral solstice]

Weird that you have to know every single thing that gets added in the patches lmfao

No harm in letting people figure out what’s been added

[hoary dawn]

no harm, but also no reason not to

[weak dune]

I mean I personally like interesting surprises, so lol

[feral solstice]

^

[hoary dawn]

adding a whole new mechanic without any mention

[feral solstice]

Again

[weak dune]

Good surprises are "Oh cool, the water levels change"
Bad surprises I'd like to know are "Oh btw the Utah AI will literally follow you to Hell and back"

[feral solstice]

It’s for surprises
A bunch of people like surprises, and as you said, there’s no harm in not giving information, so they don’t necessarily have to.

[hoary dawn]

sorry for wanting some transparency

[feral solstice]

It’s okay. We have enough anyways 😁

Tides are still a neat surprise though

[hoary dawn]

not enough apparently

they normally tell us these kinds of things

[feral solstice]

They’ve still added mechanics without any mention before lol

[hoary dawn]

such as

[feral solstice]

Gore masks for the other dinosaurs for one

[hoary dawn]

not a mechanic

[feral solstice]

Juvenile pouncing for 3.5

Etc

[weak dune]

Eh there's a certain level of "Let's see what people do with finding information we didn't tell them"

[feral solstice]

And tides are

[hoary dawn]

juvie pouncing was told to us as well as in the patch notes

[weak dune]

Because otherwise you get ONLY people who behave according to what they're told, and not organic reactions

[feral solstice]

Juvenile pouncing was never revealed to us until they actually released it lol

[icy lion]

imo tides are as much of a "mechanic" as a new building

[hoary dawn]

and tides were never revealed

[feral solstice]

Mhm

So what

As you said there’s no harm in it

[weak dune]

Honestly I feel like if/when they were going to talk about Tides, it'd be if/when we're testing the mechs with Deino, because its more relevant to Deino than to Dryo

[feral solstice]

So, there’s no reason to start getting antsy because one mechanic wasn’t mentioned

[hoary dawn]

there is no harm, i do think its neat that the mechanic is in, but i also think its important for the devs to tell us things

[weak dune]

I figure they tell us things when its relevant to know

[hoary dawn]

having a fairly anticipated mechanic be stealth dropped with no mention is pretty relevent

[feral solstice]

I mean it’s the same for rex ai. I’d love if it was stealth dropped to give us a neat surprise

Sometimes I’d prefer if I wasn’t spoiled about what’s coming

[hoary dawn]

especially when its a mechanic test, you want to tell people what they're testing with

like what just happened above, i assumed it was a bug since this is an experimental branch

[feral solstice]

That’s dependable how much it effects us.
It doesn’t have much of an effect until we actually get Deino

[feral solstice]

A bug wouldn’t just randomly play a mechanic like tides. It would have to be enabled lol

Even Dondi accidentally enabled tides back in 3.75 I think, where shallow got flooded

Pidge had a pic of it

[hoary dawn]

not a bug activating the mechanic

a bug making the water levels freak out

[feral solstice]

But then that would mean tides were enabled somehow

[hoary dawn]

there are already several locations in the game where the water levels are funky

[feral solstice]

Like?

Excluding the pond that was mentioned above

[hoary dawn]

just the other day i swam on air while crossing south river

[feral solstice]

You mean the river with the new pocket

I don’t think that has anything to do with the tides for say, because I haven’t seen any changes in water level.
It’s probably got something to do with the swim boxes with the rivers.

Though it could be a bug with the tides being enabled

[hoary dawn]

never said it had anything to do with tides

[feral solstice]

Oh but I did

The only way the water levels would be funky is by a bug developing when tides are enabled.

Disabling tides would likely diminish the bug

[hoary dawn]

im saying that the game has water level bugs and that stealth dropping tides just makes it look like there's more water bugs

[feral solstice]

Nothing I can really say about that

That’s dependable on how people view it

But based on how the tides act, they do look like tides, and not a bug.

Atleast imo

[hoary dawn]

if you know that tides are in

[feral solstice]

I’m 99% positive they are in

[hoary dawn]

they dont normally just stealth drop these kinds of things, we are normally informed of what is being added

it makes no sense why they would do it now

[feral solstice]

Again, you shouldn’t get antsy because they stealth dropped a mechanic that doesn’t really have much of an effect on gameplay other than make you walk a few more feet to drink water lol

We are normally informed, yes, but there’s been times we haven’t been, and people still enjoyed the surprise

[hoary dawn]

i get antsy when the devs do something out of character that involves withholding information

they could stealth drop any mechanic and i would feel the same

[feral solstice]

Well, I won’t hold that against you. I personally think it’s fine cause it’s a nice surprise (depending on the mechanic), and I’d enjoy it if there were more surprises that put a smile on my face lol

[barren zephyr]

I love what you did with the beach area, its beautiful and we can finally leave whenever we want as no hill is stopping us now.

have not seen any crabs yet tho

[hoary dawn]

if you wanna be surprised you could just not read patch notes

[feral solstice]

I wish I did something with the beach area

[feral solstice]

I mean, I will still read the patch notes lol
But stealth dropping something that wasn’t in the patch notes would still be a good surprise

Imo

[barren zephyr]

yeah u should visit the beach, its good.

[feral solstice]

Playing ptera in the beaches is gonna be fun

[barren zephyr]

@glacial terrace that might be really hard to implement considering the game would need to basically record your gameplay in some sort of way.

Neat idea but hard to implement im sure

there's def gonna be some ptera nests there i think.

My challenge is to find all AI but have not found bunny or crab yet

or turtles

no AI on the beach so far

oh well i had a good time

[feral solstice]

There is

The crabs are in the water lol

For some reason

[barren zephyr]

oooh

they are ?

xD

they must be rly deep then i dont see any

[feral solstice]

Yeah

They keep spawning and crawling into the ocean

It sucks lol

[icy lion]

theyre just thirsty

hopefully their pathing gets looked at after the targeting system for the aggro ai is fixed

[barren zephyr]

Oke, and what about turtles and rabbits ? have not seen those either.

Utah, Teno and Wild boar i have seen.

And the wild boar gives some comedic effect to the game, as he chased my whole dryo herd down and we almost died xd

[hoary dawn]

the boar is amazing

nothing screams survival horror more than a boar chasing you down across an entire island

[barren zephyr]

hahaha yeah

[swift dew]

[hoary dawn]

we need boar emotes

[wispy tusk]

anyone recall what program they use for crating the maps themselves

i assumed it was unity terrain but i only saw like one stream way back when

[mild token]

@hoary dawn What was it that you didn't like?

[hoary dawn]

i think merging the diet bars with the other ones makes it more confusing

[mild token]

How?

bilbo did this, I only tried to improve their idea.

[hoary dawn]

cuz diets dont have anything to do with water, so its weird to combine a diet bar with the water one

same with stam

[mild token]

Have you read Arvid Bror post?

[hoary dawn]

cant say i have

[mild token]

Also I do not know what each color bar is for

[hoary dawn]

they're for each of the 3 nutrient types

[mild token]

I said that in my post

[hoary dawn]

lipids, carbs, and protein

[mild token]

And what colour are they?

[hoary dawn]

idk the colors for each nutrient

when you're playing its just important to know which foods give you which colors

[icy lion]

lipids are yellow, carbs are blue, proteins are red

[mild token]

Then come back when you know what they are for

[hoary dawn]

what

knowing which color each nutrient is isn't important at all when you're playing

[mild token]

I don't know what each colour is of lipids, carbs, and protein so get back to me when you know.

[hoary dawn]

well now i know thanks to superlunary

[icy lion]

lipids are yellow, carbs are blue, proteins are red

[mild token]

Thank you

[hoary dawn]

but again its irrelevant to know which is which

all you need to know is which foods fill which bars

[mild token]

Then why do you care what hexagons they are inside?

The pion of my post was to make it simple and easy

[hoary dawn]

cuz it makes no sense for the carbohydrates bar to be fused with the water bar?

[mild token]

You do know that can be updated right?

[hoary dawn]

what

[mild token]

my post was an suggestion, not how they should be placed

[hoary dawn]

yea and im saying i disagree with your suggestion

[paper oriole]

man that UI looks unorganized but im already blocked for giving mild criticism on an earlier post

[mild token]

If you got an better suggestion on how to make things take up less space on the screen then make an suggestion for it.

[hoary dawn]

the suggestion bilbo made would work nicely

[mild token]

No

The bars are too small

[hoary dawn]

its small, organized, and doesn't intrude on the other bars

[mild token]

The bars are tiny in their post

[hoary dawn]

yea

[paper oriole]

small UI is good

[hoary dawn]

they dont need to be that big

[paper oriole]

i want to see the game not 500 hexagons

[hoary dawn]

just big enough to be able to see if they're full

[mild token]

They don't need to be that tiny and hard to see

Think on those with smaller screens

[hoary dawn]

then you could always make the lines thicker

[paper oriole]

you can still open character stats screen for an instant to view your dietary status in full

[mild token]

Then we can make them all into thick lines and then they will take up almost no space on the screen

Good?

And yeah, I mean everything

[hoary dawn]

i mean, sure, im happy with the normal size

but if you'd like to see thicker lines then that's cool

[mild token]

You want thick lines

Not me

[hoary dawn]

i thought you didn't like how small the lines were

[mild token]

Bye.

[hoary dawn]

aight

[honest sparrow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/765995352566136882/885679226232127498/unknown.png

personally I prefer this alternative

[simple comet]

im not a fan of that

[mild token]

I don't like how that look.

It covers too much space.

[sick pond]

that looks dope bro needs a fucking speedometer or something