general-feedback-discussion

[sacred moat]

its easy to bait one out and fuck it up on land

[karmic plank]

Some players enjoy the slow tactical wait and ambush thing that deino do, which is fine - not for me, probably not for you - but there's not really any other way to balance them

[sacred moat]

you're talking about deino being AI, right?

[karmic plank]

No, sorry - I meant have them eat AI like ptera

[sacred moat]

oh oh oh

well my point still stands, the AI in the isle is bad and there would be even more deinos

[karmic plank]

Which is mostly what they are doing this patch, growing on fish then eventually dieing to cannibals

[karmic grove]

Again it’s the type of gameplay that you don’t prefer. Not all dinos will have a fast paced gameplay, and not everyone likes to play a fast paced, ‘omg I need to glance over my shoulder every second’ type gameplay either. So it’s a good mix for the players

[karmic plank]

Same as fish-only ptera is not my thing but I'm glad it's in the game for people who like it

I liked ptera as a proper hunter, but it was also very broken and hopefully quetz will be a proper PvP carnivore when the time comes

[fickle jacinth]

I don't think that makes sense, very weak with weak bones that only let it fly, it would get maybe killed by something bigger and stronger and be unviable

[meager tiger]

dont birds of prey also have weak bones?

[karmic plank]

Yeah, I mean they aren't weak but they aren't exactly built as brawlers

[meager tiger]

weak bones =/= bad predator

[karmic plank]

Even the supposed wing punching swans you could snap a wing bone with your hands

Well they are weak compared to us... Not to the things they hunt

And there are big raptors which hunt mountain goats

[meager tiger]

and sloths

remeber that funny video

the sloth just hangs like a man lol

chillin to his death

[karmic plank]

But they don't do it through brute strength like a bear

[meager tiger]

piercing damage

[karmic plank]

Ya. Flying cats

[meager tiger]

force on a small surface area

= OP

[karmic plank]

All about that stabby stabby

[meager tiger]

arguably piecring damage is better than bludgeioing

more efficent

[karmic plank]

Rhinos: why not both

[weak rose]

Hopefully yep!

[odd sedge]

Or they let their prey fall to its death, just like with the mountain goats

[karmic plank]

Looks like evrima to me. Complaining that night is dark, they need gamma to see, and shadows are bugged. A few people trying to be smartasses tonight but forgetting the smart part.

[tired tiger]

It’s to some reason correct but to me I have an overly bright screen I can even sometimes see in the night without nightvision it does not bother me (I do not put gamma in the screen)

[limber hull]

I'll be honest, I really want NV more than anything just to fix the discrepancy between gamma users and non-gamma users

[tired tiger]

Ok

[karmic plank]

I'm the same, but why should I get an advantage over others just because I have a bright screen?

Not supposed to be pay to win.

[tired tiger]

True

It’s a ten year old screen tho

[karmic plank]

🤷

[tired tiger]

So I did not really pay for it

[karmic plank]

The answer to "I can't see at night" shouldn't be "buy a different screen"

[tired tiger]

It’s my dads old screen

So I did not really pay

[karmic plank]

Lucky you. Does that change anything?

[tired tiger]

No

[karmic plank]

I am amused by the people trying to sass with "LEGACY" when they are clearly talking about evrima

[sudden hinge]

Evrima night time isn’t even bad

Like literally see just fine

[tired tiger]

Yeh ever with a gamma up or a bright screen

[tepid gate]

Depends for whom, it's all individual and depends on your monitor and its settings, some people see absolutely nothing in Evrima, others see just fine

[gilded jacinth]

@fickle jacinth to answer your question, carnotaurus didn't have feathers. Neither did t rex for that matter.

[azure wadi]

Neither do I

[tired tiger]

Wait what

[worn saddle]

Something needs to be done about herb murderhobos, especially the stegos that go around killing everything at sight.

[barren zephyr]

I mean the evrima night is a bit too dark but it’s not horrible

[worn saddle]

I really hope that stress mechanic will solve that issue.

Because at the current state of the game, a stego can go around, killing anything it sees and nothing can stop it apart from a 2+ of deinos or carnos.

[barren zephyr]

I don’t know about them adding any stress mechanic

[barren zephyr]

That’s just the devs fault for adding stego and deino this early

[worn saddle]

Ik

[barren zephyr]

Literally could of gone with maia and bary and we would be fine

[worn saddle]

But still, I think stego needs a nerf, nothing can hunt it.

[barren zephyr]

I mean if Utah gets a bleed buff the yes

[worn saddle]

At least for the time being, while we don’t get other stronger dinos

[barren zephyr]

If Utah could do more bleed stego would have a fair fight

[worn saddle]

I highly doubt that.

The stegos are way too OP at this point.

[barren zephyr]

Literally just buff Utah bleed and give carno his stam back and game is fine

[worn saddle]

That doesn’t solve the issue of stegos murdering everything.

They can literally one shot a Utah

[barren zephyr]

I see Utah as the counter to everything. Alone they suck but in packs they could bleed out anything

[cyan flame]

How do you even die to a stego, it's not like one can chase you down very well. Anyway, not sure we're getting a stress mechanic, and no idea why that would stop something from going around killing, unless you'd get stressed for just killing I guess. As for stego/utah matchup, it's decent as it stands, and when utah gets its fixes for the various bugs and issues, it'll be just fine. I doubt utah needs a bleed buff, bleed is powerful as it stands, and it's bugged at that right now. So most likely that needs another tune or two when said bug is fixed to not make it too powerful.

Will be interesting to see how the pachy/utah matchup goes, if utah will be good at hunting them or not.

[barren zephyr]

What really needs to change is carnos god awful stamina

[cyan flame]

Why is the stamina so bad? Is it an issue combat wise?

[karmic plank]

From https://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/dinosaurs-ancient-fossils/liaoning-diorama/a-feathered-tyrant A feathered T. rex? Probably so--at least when the animals were young. Paleontologists think feathers may have first evolved to keep dinosaurs warm. But while a young T. rex probably had a thin coat of downy feathers, an adult T. rex would not have needed feathers to stay warm. Large warm-blooded animals--like T. rex or modern elephants--generate a great deal of body heat so they usually don't need hair or feathers to keep warm.

Noting that even Rex's would have had ostrich-sized eggs

[karmic plank]

Also confused - carno has no stam drain abilities? It can still sprint further than any other Dino, even if the actual sprint time is slightly shorter

[limber hull]

@distant osprey issue with that is the entire game basically consists of running waters and rivers atm

lmao

maybe when they add weather and actual small ponds and lakes, then that could work

[distant osprey]

At the moment yes. Im sure there will be more water sources in the future. At least i hope so. A world of only rivers? Eh, not so exciting lol

[limber hull]

Absolutely agree, diversity is needed

If a large herd stays in one area with a safe lake for too long during a long drought period, there should be a slow decrease in drinkable water. I believe the devs themselves have discussed this as an idea

[gilded jacinth]

While this does mean that the young might have been feathered yes, the adults where not. So if they want to be accurate then maybe have hatchling-sub rex have some feathering but adults have no feathering. We have many adult t rex skin impressions showing off scales.

[karmic plank]

I was agreeing with you btw

[gilded jacinth]

Oof sorry I guess I misread

[karmic plank]

Though I do like the idea of a fuzzy little rexlet

[gilded jacinth]

I'm used to feather nuts screaming at me

[karmic plank]

Yeah that's fair, skim read would have come across that way

[gilded jacinth]

Not to mention trey the explainer

[distant osprey]

Apparently they found out rex did had feathers but not like birds. More small plumage dotted around on its body.

[karmic plank]

Basically in my mind... Anything over 500kg shouldn't have feathers beyond crests and such

[gilded jacinth]

Even then rex wouldn't have needed that

[gilded jacinth]

Incorrect

Refer to the graph

This is t rex

Not this

[distant osprey]

And where did you find this one?

[gilded jacinth]

Literally just Google "t rex scales"

[tepid gate]

There's no evidence of young tyrannosaurs having feathers either. Matter of fact we don't have any animal that would change its filament while growing up. T.rex should remain scaly for the time being.

[paper geyser]

there is also zero proof of feathering in juveniles or hatchlings. The only reason that idea is still around is because we don't have enough skin impressions of juveniles

gdi aken

[karmic plank]

Nebby here is prepared

All like You activated my trap card

[tepid gate]

Exactly what Kato said ^ we don't have any evidence of any plummage on tyrannosaurs

[karmic plank]

Fuzzy rexlet and the lose their hair as they grow

[gilded jacinth]

I was on the front lines of the scale v feather debates online. Nothing I haven't seen before.

[distant osprey]

Exactly. you looked up on google. No offence but google is a search engine taking info from the entire internet. I think ill believe the documentaries from nature programs a bit more than a screenshot taken from google lol

EDIT: and i enver claimed it was fully feathered like the picture you posted. shrug

[tepid gate]

Yutyrannus is the one that was heavily feathered but it's not that closely related to Tyrannosaurids anyways

Documentaries are actually a pretty bad source of information on dinosaurs, same as google

They tend to sensationalise a lot of data and information

[paper geyser]

the closest feathered relative to tyrannosaurus weighed what like one or two tonnes? And it lived several million years before tyrannosaurus. There's no reason to believe it would've had feathers at any stage of its life

[gilded jacinth]

Actual paleontologist https://youtu.be/pG5sbVN3tI8

Model accepted by a museum of sue the t rex and it has no feathers

[tepid gate]

Saurian(whose Rex is portrayed on that video above^) is aiming to be as accurate as possible. Its creators have stated that the current consensus doesn't suggest that T.rex had feathers at any point throughout its lifetime and putting them on it would be completely speculative.

[gilded jacinth]

Saurian even got the mosasaurus in hell creek years before it's discovery

[tepid gate]

It's not that it's impossible for T.rex to have had some plummage but as it is we don't have any evidence of that and it's much safer to portray it as scaly based on the evidence we have.

[distant osprey]

God that thing looks like a overeaten bob rex

[gilded jacinth]

That's literally how they looked

[paper geyser]

sue was abnormally barrel chested, but those two are usually regarded as the most accurate reconstructions we currently have

[gilded jacinth]

Jurassic park t rex is missing it's gastralia.
T rexes where chonky

Gastralia where belly ribs all dinos had, and most early reptiles. Alligators and tuataras have them

Even our t rex is missing them

[paper geyser]

or it's just incredibly malnourished

[gilded jacinth]

Malnourishment doesn't affect bone placement. They'd be visible if it was

[karmic plank]

Do we know that the gastralia was fixed relative to the rest of the skeleton? Could it have moved with changing body fat /organ fat percentages?

In the image above it looks like it would largely be connected through ligaments and/or muscle at the front with flexible joints towards the rear, letting it flex with at least breathing

Or maybe they didn't carry any fat around their organs and it was all subdermal

[gilded jacinth]

From what I could find they are attached via the tendons that would make up abs in humans. So possibly? But not to such an extreme as with JP rex

[karmic plank]

Yeah the whole stomach area is pretty fixed, probably in order to carry however many tons of organs and food around

[gilded jacinth]

This is the model of t rex musculature provided by saurian

So I think that a malnourished t rex would probably just be smaller or have very little visible fat loss just due to the sheer amount of musculature within the body

[karmic plank]

The neck doesn't look right to me, but I'm no palaeontologist

Also surely their tail was way bigger - no way that's enough counterbalance

[gilded jacinth]

Due to just how strong their bite was and how heavy their skull was the neck is probably accurate. The tail seems to be thicker on the sue model so maybe?

[karmic plank]

I mean you need basically as much mass behind the hips as infront

[gilded jacinth]

The sue model possesses around the same neck thickness

But a much thicker tail

[karmic plank]

Yeah, that's a bit more like it even if it doesn't look as scary

[gilded jacinth]

Keep in mind dinosaurs where much lighter than they look due to their bones and air passageways

[karmic plank]

Yeah, a lot of that chest cavity was probably a huge set of lungs with most of the heavy stuff down near their hips

[gilded jacinth]

I believe this subject has lost the plot a bit now xD this is more Paleo talk than feedback discussion

[karmic plank]

True, sorry all

General feedback: trex model more like that for evrima 👍

[barren zephyr]

You might be able to run fast but that doesn’t mean you’ll get very far.

You might be able to outrun that pack of Utah’s but that doesn’t mean they’ll just catch up to you and kill you

And carno isn’t meant for fighting off packs of stuff or anything big. Once a lone carno is found by a pack it can just be chased down cause of its bad stamina and body not built for fighting. It’s a small game hunter so it should be able to avoid fights not have to suffer due to bad stamina

[karmic plank]

I admit I haven't tested it, but in a match up where everyone is low on stam I feel carno benefits the most

[barren zephyr]

Ok that’s situational if everyone is low on stam. If I’m a carno and accidentally role up to a pack of Utah’s I’m basically screwed

[karmic plank]

That feels balanced, though?

Single carno should be scared of a Utah pack

[barren zephyr]

Yes but when I can’t escape them at all

Then I just die.

[karmic plank]

I feel like everything carno preys on will have limited sympathy in that regards

[barren zephyr]

I have the speed to outrun but not a lot of health to fend myself against a group or the stamina to get away

[tepid gate]

Everything that Carno preys on is pretty much Utah and Tenonto

[barren zephyr]

Once diets it will be mostly dryo

[karmic plank]

I don't think carno should have a guaranteed get out of jail free card

[barren zephyr]

It it means it doesn’t fight much then yes

[karmic plank]

If you wander the Plains all care free and let a pack of Utah run up over you... Dunno feel like the mistakes have already been made

If it was cerato sure

I admit I haven't played much carno this patch and they are in a really rough spot

But more stamina is not the answer imo

[barren zephyr]

Cerato is a brawler that’s meant to deal with stuff. Carno is not

That’s my point. They basically made cerato

Without brawl

[karmic plank]

I guess when the answer to every complaint about Utah or deino is "play smarter" it's hard not to parrot it for carno too

1min sprint does feel a bit short but I think a faster trott would make more sense

[barren zephyr]

Carno used to be played like an allo. Then they made it a worse cerato

Both are wrong

Just think legacy carno

That was fine

[karmic plank]

Sadly I'm a bit ignorant there

[barren zephyr]

High speed and stamina at the cost of health and strength

It’s fine

People also say “just to hide”. Pretty hard to hide a really big mid tier

[karmic plank]

A faster trott and better regen while trotting feels reasonable to me... I just don't like the idea of them being able to escape every single threat by just... Running away

[barren zephyr]

I mean what else would they do if they don’t fight?

They run and escape. Not run then die

It just makes carno vulnerable to endurance hunts

[karmic plank]

I guess as someone who plays a lot of teno and Utah, I don't ever have this luxury but it's a lot easier to hide a teno or climb a rock as a Utah

So maybe I should be quiet lol

I would like to test just how hard it is for Utah to track and follow a sprinting carno through the forests, I feel like it would be a real struggle after 30s

[barren zephyr]

Just smell for it.

And it’s a really big target. Kinda hard to miss

[karmic plank]

You have to slow down every time you sniff

[barren zephyr]

Just keep walking

Then run

Run, walk and sniff, run

[karmic plank]

All the whole it gets further and further ahead, but then your sprint will run out before your scent does. Fair

[barren zephyr]

Hence its bad stamina, then it has to sit cause it’s trot regain is bad

And then it dies

[karmic plank]

That situation was part of the reason I suggested that running through mud should help hide you scent, at least while you were on the mud

[barren zephyr]

And getting a pounce on a carno can help you track them

[karmic plank]

So you could juke around the caves and such

[barren zephyr]

True

[jovial hazel]

"then it dies" after taking 6 utahs with it.

[barren zephyr]

If carno gets pounced like 3 times by Utah’s it’s pretty easy for them to just keep following you and don’t let you wallow

[karmic plank]

I mean it's also really hard for even 4+ Utah's to kill a good carno, in my experience (assuming you tree hug and have good chases)

[cyan flame]

@barren zephyrI should point out that nothing really threatens legacy carno, it's not a good idea to make it too much like that.

[jovial hazel]

No. You tank so much damage. You can literally tank them and wallow right in front of them. When they come in just bite.

The bleed is the only thing you really have to worry about. You can literally just trade hits as they try to stop them from wallowing.

[barren zephyr]

I mean carno doesn’t threaten much besides small game (oh wait it’s a small game hunter)

[cyan flame]

Legacy carno is not a good small game hunter, if anything it was surprisingly good at hunting bigger game. And that's still not my point. In legacy, a carno or galli does not die at all unless it wants to.

[karmic plank]

I guess I feel that in some ways a carno shouldn't be running from utah anyway

Two bites to kill, one to severely maim

[cyan flame]

In legacy you can do what you're talking about, run and basically disappear.

So I'm inclined to agree with Agouti, if you're found as a solo carno by a sufficient amount of utahs, you're pretty much dead unless you have a plan and a way out of it.

[jovial hazel]

And at that point if you just stand and fight you are taking most of that pack with you.

[barren zephyr]

We’ll obviously I wouldn’t take it directly from legacy but take the high speed and mobility with weak bite and health

[jovial hazel]

Running at that point is not the play.

[barren zephyr]

So players should just die and feel happy they took some with it?

At the cost of there own life

[karmic plank]

I wonder how bad the tree collision will be for carno in U4. If they are hard zoned out of forests, and can't disengage in the open, feels a bit rough

[cyan flame]

I'd guess vs too many utahs positioning is key, find a way to block them off, prevent them from ease of access to pounce (yes, slotting is stupid but..) and so on

[jovial hazel]

In that situation, yes. Why should you just be able to just run away from your only actual threat?

Carno literally only dies if it tries to attack a teno or stego, it facerolls utahs and everything else. Utah is the only thing that can actually corner it and fight it.

And you need a good pack.

[cyan flame]

The question is not if carno should be able to escape, as much as how easy it should be. Adding another 15-30 sec of stamina might be fine, but you should still have to damn well plan your escape route out of there.

[jovial hazel]

And that's just a solo carno. You throw a few more in the mix and it's pointless even for a good utah pack.

[karmic plank]

I'd love to get 4 really good Utah in a server and see how hard it was to kill a really good carno... We've done a bit of it but the Utah's weren't consistent enough to avoid getting bitten, and you are pretty much out of it after one good bite

[cyan flame]

And not just be able to run and be done

[barren zephyr]

I mean carno isn’t meant to fight much in the first place

That’s cerato job

To fight

[jovial hazel]

The balance is pretty fucked in general right now. We'll see how it goes.

[karmic plank]

True that

[jovial hazel]

Diets should make it a little harder for herbis.

And maybe the balance will make more sense.

[cyan flame]

It most likely will yes, we're sort of halfway in balance, lacking a few mechanics that will change it around and so on

[karmic plank]

I'd still really like to see fast trott as the main way to move around, hate sprinting and laying down

[cyan flame]

Agreed!

[jovial hazel]

Agreed, trot stam regen needs to go back.

[barren zephyr]

Yes

[jovial hazel]

Made fights much more fun.

[barren zephyr]

It’s just hard to play a small game hunter and mind your own business when everyone gets in your business and kills you

[karmic plank]

Or just make trott faster

Walking is so absurdly slow

[barren zephyr]

Trot regain should be faster. But perhaps to make walk actually usable. Trot is a faster walk but walk regains stam quicker

Cause walk is pointless

[karmic plank]

Make walking a little slower than current trott with nearly the same stam regen as standing, trott about 50% faster, make scent linger time dependent on speed and it'd make moving around a lot more interesting

Instead of sprint, find bush, lay down, watch 1min of YouTube, repeat

[barren zephyr]

Yeah

Legacy got that right with the stamina. That’s the only thing it got right

[karmic plank]

And if you get lazy and unlucky, get found right before needing to lay down and just die

[barren zephyr]

Lol

Hopefully cerato fixes some balance

[karmic plank]

Still don't get why people are confused by the concept of "walk on mud = no scent trail" since evrima mud is a magical super anti-deodorant

[barren zephyr]

I mean it’s not a terrible idea

[karmic plank]

Not great either, wouldn't have questioned ❌ s

Just don't get the

[barren zephyr]

I mean I don’t see it lasting as long as a normal wallow but

[karmic plank]

It wasn't supposed to last after you leave the mud

Only as long as you are on it

[barren zephyr]

I mean then they could just follow you down the mud

[karmic plank]

Basically scent trails can't be left on mud

Yeah, but there are areas you could use to lose them around the rocks and such

[barren zephyr]

Most of the mud areas by the water are open so there isn’t much getting away

[karmic plank]

Or croc pond ramp

I guess where I was mainly thinking about was the long rockfaces with mud around south side of mid to the west side of the river

Lots of bushes, long tracts of mud, hidey holes and a few branching bits

[jovial hazel]

Isn't tracking a combination of scent and actual footprints left behind? I feel like you would definitely still leave big footprints on mud to be tracked.

The yellow is just to point those out. Not necessarily just scent. Is what I assumed, I guess.

Why no tracking on roads? You would still leave scent.

Also, why would sneaking not leave footprints if it was about scent? Just one of those mechanics that's more for gameplay than actually making sense.

[zinc rivet]

"make the game 300% better"

[jovial hazel]

That's a no-brainer, then.

You really can't argue that logic. 3x the dinos, 3x the fun.

[worn saddle]

@glass swan
Sadly, due to people abusing ptera, you have to suffer from low stamina.

[jovial hazel]

Was there stamina lowered in the balance update?

[worn saddle]

I don’t think so. But increasing stamina is definitely not an option.

People are already tired enough from trolls playing as ptera

I can only imagine what will happen once Quetz is added

[jovial hazel]

I feel like anyone complaining about ptera stam is just flying around holding W key.

[glass swan]

But pteras literally suck

[honest sparrow]

Lmfao

[glass swan]

I did hold W at first lol but no really, I can’t kill anything without losing half my health

[jovial hazel]

Ptera can glide around for a while. Don't use W or S. Spacebar to gain altitude and then just glide.

[karmic plank]

This

[glass swan]

Just fix the fish problem and I’ll be quite XD

[honest sparrow]

I mean first off, you aren’t even really a hunter as Ptera, 2nd off, Ptera has extremely long range and kills juvis in a few well places pecks, I don’t really think it’s an issue if you get hit and suffer

[karmic plank]

I miss old overpowered ptera

[honest sparrow]

I do too

Old damage was funni

[karmic plank]

Where you didn't even need fish

[honest sparrow]

I really don’t understand the devs sometimes

[karmic plank]

Now we have scrawny vulture ptera

[worn saddle]

Tbh, yes. You can go very far with a ptera if you don’t hold the W key

[honest sparrow]

Let’s directly nerf this playable by reducing one of its key food sources, but make it physically weaker so it cannot kill anything on its own, and then make corpses not give nearly as much food

[worn saddle]

The thing is, you are not supposed to.

Pteras are scavengers and fishers, not hunters

But yeah, the devs should add more fish ai

[karmic plank]

Ptera is the PvE Dino

[karmic plank]

That's a bug, normally tons of fish

Fish only seem to spawn when the server is at the AI cap

(schooling fish aren't technically AI, or never used to be anyway)

[worn saddle]

I believe that animals like Titanoboa, deino, ptera and Quetz should be AI

Not playables

[glass swan]

Yes, add fish, that’s it

[glass mulch]

why the hell?

Why even add them at that point

seems like a really stupid decision

No offence or anything, but why the hell add a giant gator, a giant essentially marabou stork, a 1.4 ton snake and a mega seagull?

If you aren't gonna make them playable..?

[glass swan]

Agree

Not to mention, the flyers would be broken 24/7 if they were ai lol

[ebon girder]

Just wait until they leave the body alone, works for me

[worn saddle]

I meant that if they really want to add these animals, they should make them AI only.

[glass mulch]

or you know, playable

which they are

[worn saddle]

Titanoboa is basically useless as a playable animal

[glass mulch]

I do agree with that

[worn saddle]

Unless they give it venom like in ARK.

[glass mulch]

...

or you know, make it an adapt water hunter like it was in real life

[worn saddle]

And that I do not support tbh

[glass mulch]

maybe give it some nice burrowing capabilities

[worn saddle]

There is no need in making a virgin deino

[glass mulch]

Nah I know

[worn saddle]

Titanoboa succeeded because it was the largest predator in its ecosystem

But in The Isle it isn’t

[glass mulch]

Titanoboa is relatively useless, but Quetzalcoatlus, Pteranodon and Deinosuchus I do not get

[worn saddle]

Pteranodon, Quetz and Deino are not useless

Ptera and quetz can be easily abused, like we see already with pteras attacking everything at sight and annoying the hell out of players

[glass mulch]

"I believe that animals like Titanoboa, deino, ptera and Quetz should be AI" -You, 30 minutes ago

[worn saddle]

I did not state that they are all useless, mind you

[glass mulch]

So can everything else, what is your point?

[worn saddle]

I said that they should be AI.

Titan is the only one who will be useless af

[glass mulch]

Ah yes, make the entire flying roster humans and humans only 👍

[glass mulch]

I do agree with you, no need to bring it up more, I am just curious what makes you dislike deino, ptera and quetz

[worn saddle]

In the current game deino is fine? But once the apexes arrive, especially the spino, it will either have to be buffed, or will be constantly turned into beef jerky by spoons

[glass mulch]

If they go for larger sizes deinosuchus will not just outsize spino, but giga and rex too

[worn saddle]

Tbh, I main Deino, but I think it shouldn’t be playable, that’s all.

[glass mulch]

why though?

[worn saddle]

This.

At the current state of the game deino is fine, again.

[glass mulch]

bruh much?

[worn saddle]

But once the game is complete, it will either become a nightmare for mid tiers or will be easy snack for apexes

[glass mulch]

buff deino once apexes arrive -> fine playable

[worn saddle]

If deino is buffed ofc

[glass mulch]

You do know that they have stated that they will be adjusting stats along with the games development right?

[worn saddle]

That’s true, but, again.
I am judging the current state of the game and not the mythical and unknown state of the game in the future

[glass mulch]

So, let me get this straight, because ptera and quetz are mild annoyances you want them to be strictly AI only and because Deinosuchus is... well idfk what you really are complaining about

"It is not god tier now so that means it will be completely destroyed by spino" is how I understand you

[worn saddle]

Ptera is a mild annoyance for now. Quetz will be a large annoyance, considering that the damage that it deals is much larger than ptera’s

[glass mulch]

Yeah, and can get 2 shotted by a carno and might not even be able to deal damage from the sky

Like boo hoo, I am so scared, just stand next to a tree and the lanky stork can't even get close to you

then it'll have to land and that is when you counterplay

you might forget that Quetzalcoatlus has a wingspan which is just as long as an entire deinosuchus

[worn saddle]

This is clearly not what I meant. What I meant is that deino is an animal that relies on water to hide.
However, the spoon weight is larger, so it can simply tank the hell out of an adult deino and murder it easily.

[icy lion]

we dont know how much spino will weigh

[barren zephyr]

how can you say that

If spino isn't even out yet

[icy lion]

additionally the hope is that apexes will be few and far between

[glass mulch]

Sure a shame that the deinosuchus is completely immobile and isn't a fast moving swimmer

[worn saddle]

Knowing the isle, they probably will flood all servers once they come out

[icy lion]

they will attempt to

[worn saddle]

Unless there is a restriction

[icy lion]

temporarily

[glass mulch]

Ehh, diets will probably not allow that

[barren zephyr]

Diets

[worn saddle]

I hope so

[barren zephyr]

Growth time

[icy lion]

and i sincerely do not believe that the overpopulation from hype should ever be used in a balance discussion

[barren zephyr]

Personally I dont feel like wasting my entire day growing something big

[worn saddle]

We don’t know spino’s speed atm, but spino weight is definitely greater, at least according to science.

[glass mulch]

No not at all actually

[barren zephyr]

I'd reckon not

[glass mulch]

Latest GDI study shows that spinosaurus likely had a weight in the lower 7 tons and deinosuchus is around 14.5 tons so yeah, not at all

not even close actually, spino is blown out of the water

[barren zephyr]

Game balance also exists, devs will need to balance weights and all that jazz

[worn saddle]

My guy, you really think deino weighs more?

[glass mulch]

bruh

[worn saddle]

Spino is around 7 tonnes, deino is 5 tonnes at best

[barren zephyr]

Thats.. size?

Just because something is bigger doesn't mean it weighs more lol

[icy lion]

deino estimates are 13.7 meters and 14 tons

[barren zephyr]

Just because something is bigger doesn't mean it weighs more lol

[worn saddle]

New studies?

Link

[glass mulch]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/2xO4_6Z6qQku1xR0hfg-9ONK4fbGOX69zKgmyHGUDD4/https/media.discordapp.net/attachments/542776901442338816/874601602084921365/image0.png

[icy lion]

not quite new anymore but ill go find them

[worn saddle]

You can literally fit a whole deino inside of that spino

[glass mulch]

Currently what we think of deinosuchus

skeletal by fadeno here, check for yourself

[barren zephyr]

Yeah my chair is bigger, but it doesn't weigh nearly as much as these 10 pound weights

[worn saddle]

Those are new estimates? Cannot find any info on them atm

[glass mulch]

well, in animals we do use mass and since mass and weight are very close we just tend to use weight for animals

[worn saddle]

Would be nice to have a link to a study

[glass mulch]

in some cases it wont work, like for various flying animals for example

[barren zephyr]

It was a shit comparison yes

[glass mulch]

I can try to find one, you can ask in paleotalk if I don't manage to get one

[icy lion]

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/02724634.2020.1767638

[worn saddle]

Sure thing.

[icy lion]

this might not be exactly what youre looking for but it is a full analysis and description of the cm 963 holotype

[glass mulch]

As of now Deinosuchus is just abnormally large

and from what I know, we have no fucking clue why

relatively large animals lived with it

like parasaurolophus

but... it somehow still manages to outsize even the local mosasaurs

interesting fella ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[worn saddle]

There is nothing that states the length or weight of Deino there.
There is this small bit, however

[icy lion]

its possible that cm 963 is an extremely rare outlier, but even then the other remains we have found are large (>10m) and the chance we have found the largest ever of a species is rare

[icy lion]

these are the first words of the abstract

[glass mulch]

also the spinosaurus skeletal against the deinosuchus skeletal is heavily outdated for both of them

[worn saddle]

I still cannot find any info on the 14 meter deino reconstruction

[icy lion]

here is the diagnosis of cm 963, the specimen in question, before exact size estimates were performed

[glass mulch]

pretty sure fedano said something about it

he made this chart of all the skulls and their estimated weights and all

but then again, this is fedano we are talking about

[worn saddle]

Fedano seemed to have deleted this off their page

Or maybe I am looking in the wrong place.

[glass mulch]

It is in his deviantart

[worn saddle]

I am scrolling through their deviantart, but the size comparison of Rex and deino is missing. Maybe it’s my device just messing around

[lucid mauve]

The weight of a crocodile increases approximately cubically as length increases (see square–cube law).[37] This explains why individuals at 6 m (20 ft) weigh more than twice that of individuals at 5 m (16 ft).[34] In crocodiles

[worn saddle]

Wrong screenshot

Fedano clearly states that this is their reconstruction and that most still place the average deino size at 10-12.

[glass mulch]

oh the rex vs deino one? fedano didn't make it, it is just made by a random

[worn saddle]

Ah, that makes sense

[glass mulch]

I mean yeah, our largest tyrannosaurus specimen is probably quite a bit larger than the average or maybe the opposite (although that seems less likely)

[worn saddle]

Fedano can be right and deino could have been larger, but science hasn’t really proved it right now.

Or estimated the size of 14 meters

[glass mulch]

As the average D.hatcheri and D.rogusus probably averaged around 6 - 7 tons the larger ones did infact reach those absurd sizes, and judging by the fact that we might have two 10 ton + deinosuchus' specimens it is likely that the average is higher than you might expect, then again, we would need more concrete evidence for everything sooner or later

still don't see why it would be invalidated by the existance of spino

even our current 11.5 meter 8 ton deino is fine

would probably crush a spino realistically

[worn saddle]

I will need to see how they add the spino in and how they will balance it

[glass mulch]

devs will find balance in most cases, lets just wish that this is one of those cases

[worn saddle]

But I get the feeling that the deino will get shat on

[glass mulch]

Probably will since spino is in the apex trio

but it can just swim away if outmatched

and will probably destroy younger individuals

[carmine path]

Rex-Giga(Chad)-Spino Apex Trio right?

[glass mulch]

yeah

Kinda hope they make it right this time

[worn saddle]

I am not sure if deino classifies as an apex.

[glass mulch]

it probably does

[worn saddle]

The wiki labels it as such, yet I am not sure whether I am supposed to trust the wiki

If it is an apex, it should probably get a buff, but only once all of the other apexes are in game

Maybe bone break

Otherwise it will be a snack lol

[glass mulch]

Nova did this and I feel like this racks up the apexes, humans, square and utah for scale

[worn saddle]

Oh, deino is larger

That’s fine then. It looks like it can at least fight back to a spino

[glass mulch]

realistically it would destroy spino

but since balance

yeah, spino will probably be the heavier hitter

[barren zephyr]

Deino could probably just, swim away. It should be faster in the water at least

[tepid gate]

It's not meant to be fighting back to a Spino, Deinosuchus is supposed to just swim away if it sees a Spino according to the devs.

[lavish quail]

yeah deino shouldn't die to fight one

[worn saddle]

Apexes shouldn’t die to fight each other in genrral

If you ask me

They just kind of supposed to either avoid each other, or be ready to be at the brink of death after a fight

[lavish quail]

apexes shouldnt fight much xD

bad idea for both of them

[sacred moat]

If Rex is able to solo trike in evrima, I will actually riot

[lucid mauve]

ofcourse its supose to solo a trike

[glass mulch]

oh no, the giant 9 ton predator can 1v1 the giant 9 ton war machine

[lavish quail]

riot then bro

[worn saddle]

Speaking about game balance, I think that all apexes should have equal chances at 1v1 each other

And it should come down to skill

[sacred moat]

Hand me my picket sign

[worn saddle]

E.g. Rex player should use its bite more efficiently in order to 1v1 a trike

[lavish quail]

it should be a rock paper scissors thing

[lucid mauve]

they will balance them around something beeing more powerfull, like giga and rex in legacy

[glass mulch]

or a rock, paper, scissor thing

[lucid mauve]

but giga is better overall

[lavish quail]

YEAH

[worn saddle]

Really not sure about rock paper scissor. I would stick to “all apexes have their own perks that you can utilise to 1v1 any other apex”

[glass mulch]

thing is that spino is meant to control like 3 different ecosystems while rex and giga competes about a single one

[lavish quail]

it should really be spino basically beats both

not at the same time

but spino should be better

[lucid mauve]

lol why ?

[lavish quail]

in terms of fighting advantage

[glass mulch]

nah

[worn saddle]

For example, giga is very fast, deals more bleed, yet much weaker than Rex in terms of bite and weight. While Rex is slower, yet is more heavy, more strong and can deal bone break

[lavish quail]

it has the biome advantage

[worn saddle]

So, if a Giga player is good, they should be able to just run the rex to death

That’s my opinion tbh.

[lavish quail]

alt bite will be a thing

tbh i cant see them going for the kills on eachother

more fighting

[worn saddle]

I really want a fast Giga

The Giga in legacy is just… no

[lucid mauve]

remember that spino actually more or less faught T rex when it was alive, Carcharodontosaurus

[still raptor]

I doubt that if a good giga player comes across a rex, it will go after it.

[worn saddle]

I am theoretically speaking. Not talking about Evrima and the Mary Sue Rex it has

[sacred moat]

Rex and carcharodontosaurus are not comparable in combat

[glass mulch]

Spino's ecosystem competitors.

1. Deinocheirus, arguably the strongest opponent spino can face, strong and huge which uses its giant arms to fight spinosaurus
2. Deinosuchus, big gator, enough said.
3. Suchomimus, yeah... no, spino food at best
4. Baryonyx, would be lucky to get a scratch on spino
5. Titanoboa, I feel bad for the noodle
6. Austroraptor...... yeah...
7. Minmi, I don't think spino stands a single chance, minmi will destroy.
8. Pteranodon... yeah no
9. Beipiaosaurus, spino will hide in fear

[sacred moat]

Rex would bully it

[still raptor]

Rex and Carchara aren't comparable at all lmfao

[lucid mauve]

ok ? how come. they are litterly the same in size jaws teeth

[still raptor]

Smh

[glass mulch]

...no

[still raptor]

They are built for different things, Rex is 9.7t (largest estimate) while Carchara is 7.8t

[worn saddle]

We are not speaking about realism when talking about The Isle

Balance > Realism

[sacred moat]

being the same size doesn’t mean anything. Besides they were roughly the same length. Trex was waaaaaay more robust and had a way stronger bite force

[glass mulch]

Tyrannosaurus is well... like 2 tons heavier, tyrannosaurus has one hell of a biteforce compared to carchars and also... you know.... carchar is more bleedy and precise while rex is just rip and tear

[still raptor]

Length doesn't matter either.

[lucid mauve]

nothing matter when we have experts like u guys

[sacred moat]

Yeah I know, I was just stating that that’s the only thing they were comparable in

[glass mulch]

Also just sayin, spino would be fucked by carchar

[sacred moat]

Right??

[glass mulch]

doesn't even stand a chance

[still raptor]

Aren't you the same person who said that Troodon was the smartest dino and read a paper that heavily disproved that and still cherry picked evidence to support your statement?

[sacred moat]

Since when did spino become a brawler

[lucid mauve]

they have found wounds on skeleton spino, that only Carcharodontosaurus could have inflicted

[glass mulch]

yes....

[worn saddle]

Spino would be fucked by Rex too, realistically speaking

[glass mulch]

that supports my point

lol

[worn saddle]

Rex will most likely die from bleed, but it will at least beat the spino to death before it does

[sacred moat]

Wounds on its spine does not mean that spino still wouldn’t have slapped it around

[worn saddle]

But in game, I believe that they should have approx equal chances. Spino has more weight, yet weaker attack, while the rex has less weight and a stronger attack

[lucid mauve]

true, it was not a fatal injury. Most likly the Carcharodontosaurus backed up because of the size spino had

[glass mulch]

it was a fatal injury wasn't it?

it didn't have any signs of healing

[lucid mauve]

Not the one i saw, but i know they have found more

[still raptor]

It was a fatal injury iirc

[sacred moat]

Not really?

Only if the spino fell over, it would break its spine

But it just had a bite mark at the top of its spine that affected one of its vertebrae

[lucid mauve]

2008 they found a vertebra, that had they bite from a Carcharodontosaurus. It was bitten in half

I think we can discuss for ages who would win. But from legacy logic, we should just say that t rex wins 1v1. And spino wins in ambush : P

[sacred moat]

Rex was an actual menace to all of the apexes in legacy

Especially the rexes that knew how to use the double bite

You can solo a 2v1 against spinos

[lucid mauve]

Yea, but what i did like about giga rex. Was that they felt diffrent And i hope they have diffrent playstyles etc

yea, rex was apex killer : P

[sacred moat]

Gigas saving grace was the fact that it could regenerate stamina while on the move and it had a really good trott speed

But you can regain your stam as a Rex too while you’re walking, if you spammed your sit button while holding W

[lucid mauve]

lol yea, same with trike

[barren zephyr]

its fun to hitbox break on utahs that thing they're hot shit with rex

[sacred moat]

I’m not even going to get into legacy Utah

[bright bay]

A 50% deino have 1 ton, a full one have 8 tons. This really disturbs me

[limber sun]

have a look at the moon! its jumpin silghtly back every 2-5 secs. maby this is why the night are so long.. i dont know if this is a bug or artificaly done, to lenghten the nights

[worn saddle]

This is pretty much like irl crocodile growth works. They are slim fuckers and then BAM

They get big and thicc suddenly

Growth spurts

[lavish quail]

yeah but the 90% 5 tons doesn't make sense

[worn saddle]

Ye, that doesn’t

[olive coral]

This is true, they grow up and then out - similar to real life

You get your bone structure and then fill out

[lavish quail]

90% tho

doesn't make a whole lot of sense

[tepid gate]

Just going to point out that the vertebra in question wasn't actually damaged by Carcharodontosaurus - it was an injury that was inflicted post-mortem. It was only the whatever documentary from 2008(planet dinosaur or something?) that made an assumption that the injury was caused by a Carcharodontosaurus and propagated this idea among the public. We have no evidence of the two actually interacting but the chance is that if they did, Carcha would most likely perceive a Spino as a meal if it was hungry and desperate enough. It's the larger of the two animals and far more capable of taking down animals its own size and bigger.

[feral solstice]

Hah fun fact update 4 took little over 2 months and a half, so this suggestion isn’t to far off

Oh I realized those were outdated feedbacks

Well shit

[barren zephyr]

Happens to me too

[lyric island]

You have to be extremely lucky for someone to leave their body unattended. I’ve tried that, they will keep coming back to scare me away

[lyric island]

I’ve played and gave done everything. I’ve gone up to Dino’s to eat their food, I’ve killed babies, I’ve killed Deino’s fish for food (took a while and a glitch to kill), I’ve killed dryos for food (took way to long and almost died of starvation) it’s just too much work to be a pteranodon at the moment. They need to fix something. Wether it’s more fish spawning or better AI or increase in bite force. Honestly, It’s disappointing. @ebon girder

[feral solstice]

Why do players not realize that the bugs are already fixed in the QA build and are waiting to be tested in the public QA build for the next update?
I mean, it doesn’t sound nice to wait for a fix, but if it’s going to have content as-well, then the best move would be to release it in the stress test. The only way they could release the fixes is if the content update is far away, not close. And it’s quite close so

[lavish quail]

you moron we dont care about the update

the bugs have been here for a month

and will stay here for another

[feral solstice]

Sucks for you

Best approach is the stress test so they can both test the fixes and the content

[lavish quail]

Which has a date of not existance

[feral solstice]

Not release a hotfix, risk even worse bugs, and push back content even more

[icy lion]

be civil

[lavish quail]

how would it make more bugs if they've fixed them in qaaaa

[feral solstice]

Well it seems fixed in QA

But it’s a big gamble if you release the build to the public

[barren zephyr]

general feedback discussion

[ebon girder]

ok, i can survive

[zinc anvil]

It’s not as simple as just fix it. Example 1 you change part 1 of a problem that is tied into parts 2,3,4 and 5 you have fixed part 1 but now part 5 is randomly effected an isn’t working as intended or is now causing a very different issue or issues. It’s a long process and not an easy one by any means.

[lavish quail]

but whys it ready for update 4!

I just want a working game

[feral solstice]

Seems ready doesn’t mean it is

It could easily break during the transfer to a public network

[lavish quail]

if i have a game breaking bug with update 4

they better release a hotfix

instead of our normal wait a year thing

[feral solstice]

Well yeah

If there’s a game breaking bug with update 4, that means the content has already dropped

Which also means they can hotfix without delaying content

[still raptor]

Well they always do

[lavish quail]

its always for rubberbanding 😢

[grim lantern]

@round hound that idea would be a very cool instinct survival based addition i think

[round hound]

I agree, older animals would be familiar with the scent of their preferred food so I personally think it works.

[zinc anvil]

You will when you boot up evrima read the wall of text it gives you that you need to press okay for it might help you understand what you are actually playing. Which is called a beta but to be honest with you it’s more of an alpha. HOWEVER I do understand that the games been going on 5 years now and it’s a very very slow going process.

[lavish quail]

ive read ittt

but i still want to play it

[zinc anvil]

if you have read it then you should understand that it’s going to have problems

[lavish quail]

Ik its gonna have problems but they gotta fix it sometime

waiting for an update every time doesnt really help much

[zinc anvil]

Welcome to an alpha build of a game it sucks and it’s not fun most of the time

[lavish quail]

it was fun when i kept my dino -_-

cause then i could grow a steg or a deino

and not a utah max

[zinc anvil]

Nothing is stopping you from regrowing it yeah you might lose it again but it’s just a game at the end of the day games are there to waste time ect growing isn’t necessary fun but it is what it is.

[lavish quail]

it will be awesome with diets

but rn its just play to lose

[zinc anvil]

The game in the long run is a survival game kinda play to lose from the being

[lavish quail]

Yeah but the thing is its fun to struggle and play a game with difficulty hence why dark souls was so successful, but playing knowing that in the ultimatum you will lose your dino isn't fun. I've dabbled in game development and the glitches are nightmares but ignoring them doesn't really help

[feral solstice]

It’s not really ignoring them if there’s a build that seems to have fixed it

[lavish quail]

And having even just one person focus on fixing their reported glitches would really help the game experience

[lavish quail]

the build is currently going to be a stress test meaning we wont have it till around November

[feral solstice]

That’s up to you to decide when it comes out

[lavish quail]

i just wanna play the game being honest

rn its utter garbage

i'd rather play beasts of Bermuda and i think its aweful

[glass swan]

It would be really cool if they added some big insect ai(big as in see-able) so small scavengers don’t have to risk their lives to eat from someone’s body cuz you know how people can be, all toxic and shi

[hoary dawn]

its toxic to defend a body now?

[paper geyser]

pretty scummy to guard a corpse as a herbivore

[glass swan]

Um...having a whole deino and not letting a scavenger have a bit...yea

[hoary dawn]

how

the deino has every right to defend their food

[glass swan]

Well u wouldn’t understand cuz ur exactly who I’m talking about

[paper geyser]

do you mean a carnivore guarding a corpse or a herbivore

[hoary dawn]

i understand that people shouldn't be handed food on a silver platter just because an apex alligator isn't carebearing

small scavengers could just go somewhere else if its obvious they aren't getting food

its not toxic, its nature

[karmic grove]

Edible bugs is a good suggestion regardless.

[hoary dawn]

it is good, and gonna happen

saying carnivores are toxic for doing what carnivores do is just silly tho

[karmic grove]

I think carnivores killing for shits and giggles when they are full is pretty toxic ngl. But I agree guarding one body as a carnivore is not toxic.

[honest sparrow]

Literally staying near your source of food is bad now

Can’t wait for people to complain about potato campers once diets come out for herbis or whatever

[worn saddle]

Arthropod AI is actually a nice idea.

Maybe an arthropleura. It is large, but also useless enough to be an easy snack

It was a herbivore, after all

But, again. What would be the point of adding this to the game if we have other animals in already

Maybe adding hollow logs that you can dig through to get insects?

[paper geyser]

a source of large AI insects similar to schooling fish would be interesting

[honest sparrow]

I remember that being mentioned by dondi ages ago for like compy

[worn saddle]

Would make sense tbh. I saw this mechanic in a shitty mobile game, “Ultimate Bird Simulator” I think

If a shitty mobile game can do it, so can The Isle

[worn saddle]

But very damn hard to code. Unless it will be like fireflies in Legacy

[paper geyser]

well it could just be made in a similar way to schooling fish

make fish, turn them into dragonflies, put them out of water, add some form of minigame (like skimming), and voila

it's obviously a lot more complicated than that, but i'm sure they'd be able to use schooling fish as a foundation

[tepid gate]

Clearly talking about a carnivore there. There's absolutely 0 reason why a larger predator should allow some smaller ones to eat. It literally almost never happens in reality and if a small carnivore like a caracal walks up to a lion's kill it's not going to have a good time when the lion sees it sniffing around its food. Then again I guess we can just say that the lion is being "toxic".

[paper geyser]

yeah i wasn't sure so i asked before continuing. Calling that toxic is no different to calling juvie-killing toxic, it may not always be needed but it is just part of the game

[tepid gate]

It's not even a matter of it being needed or not. There's just 0 reason why anyone should share its food with some other species that walk up to it. I've stolen food from adult carnivores before and it was actually a thrilling experience having to wait for them to get distracted to get some of their food. If I got killed well - that's on me.

It's just really flabbergasting how some people perceive what this game is about.

[dense meteor]

If this week's dev update doesn't talk about the progression loss problem their priorities are not straight

[tepid gate]

It won't talk about it because that is going to be fixed when the update 4 releases.

The devs won't be releasing a hotfix for this(which is something I personally disagree with but it doesn't change that they clearly prioritise releasing update 4 as soon as possible over a hotfix)

[dense meteor]

No point growing a pachy when you're just gunna lose it

[tepid gate]

Pachy will be released after update 4 so

it should be pretty safe to grow

[lavish quail]

hotfix when

[paper geyser]

they are aware of the bug and it is being worked on, you can safely assume it'll be fixed by the time pachy is added

[dense meteor]

Why do they gotta wait to release the pachy to fix it

[tepid gate]

They don't - Pachy isn't coming with update 4

[dense meteor]

Why do they gotta wait for update 4 to release it

[tepid gate]

Update 4 will be released with the fix to the bug that causes the loss of dinosaurs upon logging out

[paper geyser]

there are several possible reasons, but you're better off asking punch

[swift dew]

because u4 is right around the corner

[tepid gate]

They don't have to wait for it but they chose to do so I'd imagine they probably did so because the community pesters them about the speed at which they release updates

I'd rather wait for update 4 longer but have a working game personally

[dense meteor]

I can wait for the update idc but I do care about the time invested into the game being daved

Saved

That goes for any game that allows you to save progression

[tepid gate]

There's no point in playing Evrima atm, I've played every update since the release of this branch back in June last year but it's simply not worth it atm.

Just hold on and play something else until update 4 comes out

[dense meteor]

I'm just playing free grow servers

[tepid gate]

I guess that works too

[lavish quail]

still better than Beasts of burmuda!

[paper geyser]

then i suggest not playing until the bug is fixed. Need i remind you that this is an early access game which will not always function as intended

[tepid gate]

I play pretty much only officials so

[feral solstice]

The bug is supposedly fixed in the QA build so

[dense meteor]

Yea you're right

[feral solstice]

Another pointless feedback

[lavish quail]

its getting out a point

[tepid gate]

It's not pointless - people are expressing what they think about the state of the game.

[lavish quail]

no one likes it

[tepid gate]

It's for the devs to decide whether it's worth releasing update 4 faster or not.

[feral solstice]

It’s pointless when there’s a stress test coming out to test the fixes along with the content, which they’ve already stated.

[tepid gate]

I like the game despite its shortcoming and I'd much rather have it in a playable state while waiting for update 4 even longer than have update 4 come out even a month longer with the game being unplayable.

There's no specific date for the stress test, most people playing Evrima are probably not even aware that there's a stress test coming.

They just notice that they've lost however many animals due to bugs and then come to discord to express their discontent.

[worn saddle]

I’ve missed that one. Is it really a part of the lore?

[tepid gate]

It's not clear, it might be

[worn saddle]

Jurassic Park Dino humans when

[tepid gate]

But we didn't have a clear confirmation from anyone

I personally really like that idea

[feral solstice]

If they’ve stated they’re working on the stress test and that it’s close, that’s all we really have to know.
If it’s close, why push back a stress test that’s meant to help fix their game and test changes as well as the new content?

[tepid gate]

Plays rather nicely into the whole horror-esque experience

[barren zephyr]

This is a pretty good idea, however it may be a bit confusing to those who aren’t aware of the lore. Still, bring it in because why not

[feral solstice]

It’s a cool way for people to learn the lore though

[tepid gate]

Oh, it's way too late to change the direction now. If the devs were going to release a hotfix this should've been a decision that they should've made after hearing the feedback about the last patch. Delaying the stress test is not an option anymore.

[lavish quail]

lore is basically not real

[feral solstice]

Indeed.

[tepid gate]

This is more of a consequence of making the decisions that the developers made. I'm quite certain they were aware that many people are going to be extremely unhappy about this but they probably had their reasons to decide go forward with update 4 instead of releasing a hotfix. We can only speculate as to what the outcome would've been if they decided to release a hotfix. Who knows maybe it would've delayed the update by another month which could've caused even more complaints?

It's not an easy call to make

I personally would've gone with the hotfix but that's just me

[lavish quail]

i mean they knew about it almost immediately

[tepid gate]

Yea I know

[lavish quail]

and it came with the balance patch

i dont see why there wasn't a play test for it

[feral solstice]

The stress test is basically one big data grabber for bug fixes and performance testing both the game and it’s new content. Personally I prefer the stress test cause not only can you bring out the hotfixes, you can put stress on them and reveal even more bugs that it causes.

[tepid gate]

There was a playtest for it, almost definitely, it just didn't take place during the playstests. It only appeared on the livebranch.

[feral solstice]

It’s to fully extinguish the fires the bugs will cause

[feral solstice]

^

Also

This patch was meant for update 4

[lavish quail]

i honestly think they should just have a constant play beta so we don't suffer from preventable bugs -_-

[feral solstice]

But due to some dude with a Hypsi server crashing third party client, they had to release it early

[tepid gate]

What do you mean by "constant play beta"?

[feral solstice]

Probably a public test for every single patch

Or a stress test if you will

[lavish quail]

basically

[glass swan]

I’d really like if they had a test map for new Dino’s like the one in legacy

[lavish quail]

that was scuffed af lmao

[glass swan]

Yea, just basically like a map for new Dino’s only

[meager tiger]

@barren zephyr whats ghosting

[barren zephyr]

Im at work so i cant explain it. Just type it in youtube.

[meager tiger]

blurring

[paper geyser]

no, that's motion blur

ghosting is when an image distinctly appears several times during motion

rather than one dragged out blending

to my knowledge it happens in TI when TAA is enabled

though i tested that several months ago and i'm not sure if that's still the cause

[meager tiger]

double team

nice lol

[bright bay]

The body slam on trees to make fruits fall is really a nice idea, but juvies may be to light to shake the trees, so I guess some fruits can fall naturally, so when youre a big stego you'll be able to shake the trees with your body to get more fruits.

Same thing to tenonto, it may be able to stand on two feet to shake a tree

[hoary dawn]

any dino big enough should be able to

[unreal ridge]

technically if we're going by the games rules baby stego should be more than capable this is what the wiki says:

( Hatchlng 0,167% ) . 121,054kg
( Hatchling 25% ) . 621,011kg
( Juvenile 50% ) . 2'100kg
( Sub Adult 75%) . 3'700kg
( Adult 100% ) . 6'000kg

wait

huh

https://isle.fandom.com/wiki/Stegosaurus scroll down to the evrima stats

[swift dew]

121 ton baby stego

[unreal ridge]

its heavier than the adult apparently

so is the hatchling (25%)

wait

[swift dew]

what

[unreal ridge]

was gonna see if they mixed up kgs with like idk grams or something

[swift dew]

its probably supposed to be a . instead of a ,

[unreal ridge]

that would make the baby stego a healthy weight of around 266lbs

which seems reasonable

[gritty rapids]

Deinos able to kick off pouncing utahs with buck is meant to be or broken?

[stone bone]

@shrewd seal dont buy the game yet wait atleast for a few more updates its not worth the money yet

[shrewd seal]

it has been done :((

[shrewd seal]

still downloading tho lol

[stone bone]

wish i could refund it tbh but u might like it

to each their own

[shrewd seal]

but ngl if it turns out that its just pure lag even though my computers a rlly good gaming laptop i might be a bit dissapointed

[shrewd seal]

its been my wish for like 3 years so im happy to see how it goes lol

[honest sparrow]

@warm harbor A.Don't know, restart was a while ago
B. Shitty bug that will hopefully get fixed

[tired tiger]

@barren zephyr

why faster

[paper oriole]

Imagine going to your preferred biome like the game will already basically force you to and then getting fucked over by rng lightning destroying all your fruit trees

[tired tiger]

hes saying to make decrease faster

[paper oriole]

Looking at how diet was in the stream it will already stop herbis from being able to hang out in areas of their choice, cant even know about carnis

Maybe he made a mistake

[tired tiger]

maybe

[paper oriole]

Also the suggestion to not only fuck people over who are already trying to follow their diet, but further diminish their gameplay by forcing them into areas they are extra vulnerable in while they would already be suffering debuffs because the game says “fuck you we burned all your diet plants”

[dense meteor]

I honestly don't think a diet will be enough I think it'd be 100% survivable to not pay attention to the diet, it's just buffs and debuffs so you can still afk grow just feel like shit the whole time and then when your 100% go on your merry way to make your Dino better

[paper oriole]

Its survivable but it will fuck you up when sonething attacks you

[tired tiger]

its true

[dense meteor]

Exactly until something fucks you up, so forcing people to still move who arnt focusing on thier diet while growing seems like a good idea

[paper oriole]

They already move for their diet

Also way to make nesting basically not an optipn

[tired tiger]

if the mercenarie get grenades and stuff that can start fires they could blow up and burn entire grazing ground to the ground

[paper oriole]

Why add nesting if youre just gonna get fucked over by rng on top of diets

[dense meteor]

I'm saying you don't have to follow your diet as you grow you can just accept the debuffs afk grow somewhere safe and then full grown focus on getting stronger

[tired tiger]

that would just kill off a entire species

[paper oriole]

Forest fires were considered a while back idek if they still have those planned

Mercs would just use it to grief and ruin peoples' game anyway

Like literally what other use is there to just burn down a biome

Who benefits

[tired tiger]

forest fires would decimate the pops of herbivores

[dense meteor]

New plants? For new dinos?

[tired tiger]

yes

[paper oriole]

Herbis who are already the lower population

[tired tiger]

true

[paper oriole]

And new plants can just grow without destroying peoples' gameplay

[dense meteor]

It's not destroying the gameplay

It's moving it along

[paper oriole]

How lol

[tired tiger]

yes but it would take a while for it to regrow

[dense meteor]

Creating challenges?

[tired tiger]

yes

[dense meteor]

Diet isn't a challenge it's it's option

[paper oriole]

Just randomly wrecking a biome just punishes people who were doing what the game told them to do and punishes then for not doing

[dense meteor]

Oh man like that never happens huh

[paper oriole]

Its like if lightning could randomly hit you and oneshot you

Should we have that too

[dense meteor]

That's never happened before

[tired tiger]

not everyone has billions of hours it took me 3 months to get 100 hours on the isle

[paper oriole]

So because something can halpen irl you think it should be in the game?

[tired tiger]

are u talking to me or duru

[dense meteor]

It's a survival simulation

[paper oriole]

Should we make it so predators have a chance to randomly die from a bone splintering and destroying their intestines? That sometimes happens irl

[paper oriole]

Duru

[tired tiger]

yeh good idea

[dense meteor]

Doesn't have to be realistic but lighting causing a fire Doesn't seem like I'm shooting for too much realism

[paper oriole]

Should we make it so unavoidable mosquitos can bite you and give you an incurable disease?

[dense meteor]

Yeah sure

[tired tiger]

yes

[dense meteor]

Any other ideas?

Evolution

[paper oriole]

If you break your leg it has a chance to never heal and you die horribly

[dense meteor]

Omg implement evolution

[tired tiger]

he has plenty when hes mad with someone #duru

[tired tiger]

thats alright

[dense meteor]

All I'm saying is to have the map change from time to time

[paper oriole]

Make it so you can be nested with crippling defects at random and have minumal chances of survival at no fault of your own

Because it happens irl

[tired tiger]

not a bad idea

[dense meteor]

Intractable and changing environment

Lmao

But that's too realistic for you?

[feral solstice]

Natural disasters like forest fires are a hugely bad idea

[dense meteor]

That's too much of a challenge?

[tired tiger]

how

[paper oriole]

Changing environments that just automatically screw over selective parts of the roster especially are shit

[feral solstice]

well not in general

[dense meteor]

Diets won't be enough yall will be complaining once it's been the same for over a year and it'll be the new legacy

[feral solstice]

But the way it was described on the feedback is not a good idea

[paper oriole]

“Fuck you for choosing to play this” ~random forest fire

[tired tiger]

lol

[feral solstice]

Imagine punishing not only the hotspot, but players who NEED to enter the hotspot to find food like carnivores.

[paper oriole]

Also making nesting basically impossible and 1000% up to pure uncontrollable luck

[dense meteor]

Or maybe carnivores can use that natural disaster to thier advantage?

Yall even read it? Lll

[tired tiger]

true

[feral solstice]

Like what

Enlighten me

[dense meteor]

Read it?

[feral solstice]

Other than your bad take

[dense meteor]

U read it right?

[tired tiger]

duru hes so angry at i dunno who anymore

[paper oriole]

So this only benefits carnis and makes herbis even more unappealing for new players, further destroying their playerbase population

[feral solstice]

^

Idk how it’ll benefit carnivores even

[paper oriole]

Only benefits carnis by making herbis weak or die at random

[dense meteor]

It benefits herbis by creating new plant life new diets new dinos in that area

[tired tiger]

yeh i guess

[paper oriole]

So carnis get free easy food and herbis get a middle finger from rng

[paper oriole]

Plants can just grow

[feral solstice]

Hotspots have a bunch of players, maybe even a good chunk of them.
You’re basically killing herbivores by making them weaker and dying of starvation, therefore killing off carnivores too

[dense meteor]

That's basically this diet update lmao

[feral solstice]

Yeah. We don’t need wildfires though

[tired tiger]

https://vulnona.com/game/the_isle/#pin/spiro/-457,-670/1

[dense meteor]

Herbis are forcing to move to eat new food carnis still eating the same shit

[tired tiger]

this will help u guys stop the argument

[paper oriole]

Herbis are already forced to move for food with diets

[tired tiger]

true

https://vulnona.com/game/the_isle/#pin/spiro/-457,-670/1

[paper oriole]

Move or get whacked with a bunch of disadvantages

[dense meteor]

Exactly so we arnt punishing carnis?

[tired tiger]

guys look at the map and u will see why we should argue

[paper oriole]

Your little suggestion benefits carnis over herbis

At herbi expense

[dense meteor]

The environment punishes everyone lmao

Carnis can't run into the fire

[feral solstice]

Uh

Idk about that

[paper oriole]

It destroys herbi food, herbis get weak and die easier, carnis benefit only

[feral solstice]

The environment doesn’t punish everyone nearly as bad as your “wildfire” idea

[dense meteor]

Bro it ain't gunna take over half the map

[feral solstice]

So then what’s the point of a wildfire lmao

[tired tiger]

guys the maps size give herbis already a huge advanta #general-feedback-discussion

[dense meteor]

Aight

I'm done

[paper oriole]

Imagine nesting and them game says “yeah that shits gonna burn” then you miraculously escape and try nesting again and a fucking tree falls on you

[dense meteor]

Imagine

[paper oriole]

Like in a way itd be funny but

No thanks

[feral solstice]

Yeah the wildfire is a bad idea. Herbivores are already going to be forced to move because of diets. That’s enough to prevent hotspots. We don’t need Zeus to say “Ara Ara I’ma hurl a fockin’ lazzerrr ‘ere. Im fuckin drunk” and punish herbis even more.

[tired tiger]

guys the maps gonna be so big herbi pops are gonna be so well hidden it will take carnivores ages to find them and would probably skip over the spots were theres only one or 2 dinos so what im saying is herbi pops will not really need the boost efects of diet unless there in a big pack'

[paper oriole]

What

Carnis are way easier to find groups for so if you are spotted youre more than likely going to be outnumbered

Not to mention aggro competition from other herbis looking for the same food

[tired tiger]

ok maybe i was wrong

[paper oriole]

The devs want herbis to fight

[tired tiger]

they doo

[paper oriole]

Compete for food

[tired tiger]

oh ok

my thing does have a smidge of correctness in it

[paper oriole]

Is that the stamina bar compass as your pfp lol

And yeah carnis will likely be hunting a good amount of ai as well since players will be spread

[tired tiger]

yeh lol

[paper oriole]

But they will know what biome their preferred victims are in

[tired tiger]

true but that makes the game more realistic

[paper oriole]

Yeah

Adds a sort of routine

[tired tiger]

yeh

its kinda how the aboriginies in australia did it they moved from one place to another always leaving before the environment had no recources left so it could come back to its normal pop of recources

[feral solstice]

Flame bait suggestion moment

[tired tiger]

no

[feral solstice]

Also that’s not Dondis map design

It’s Jace, actual map designers version

And I find it amazing compared to Dondis take at the map

[tired tiger]

ok whats dondis map

[feral solstice]

The current one

[tired tiger]

oh ok

[tired tiger]

which ones more correct

[feral solstice]

Haves

Jaces*

[tired tiger]

the one i showed

https://vulnona.com/game/the_isle/#pin/spiro/-457,-670/1

[feral solstice]

The one from filipes stream

That’s the current one ^^

[tired tiger]

oh ok

[limber hull]

@nimble yoke they are lmao

[quasi stream]

@shell mica filipe said Adam is working on a cool mud thing

Who knows

[limber hull]

just not in the diet update

[nimble yoke]

Isn't that a shame, it's almost as if that's what I was saying was sad

[stone jewel]

my suggestion only makes sense if there actually is a (significantly) higher chance of saving your dino upon server reset (vs sleeping vs alt f4)

[nimble yoke]

I hope the devs release a patch to at least fix that glitch along with a few others because at this point the game has more ways to break then ark

[azure wadi]

What

[nimble yoke]

Cerato and Magy have gimmicks linked to diets with Magy not being good to eat for any Dino except Ceratosaurus who can eat almost any Dino even if the flesh is rotting. Yet they aren't included in the diet update, I feel like a lot more people would be hyped if it was Cerato, pachy and magy rather then only pachy

[azure wadi]

If it was all 3 we would probably have to wait until next year for this damn update

Also the Magy only being able to be eaten by cerato would be the stupidest garbage ever put into this game

[nimble yoke]

It's description is literally that it has an unsavory taste

Hinting that most carnivores would not want to eat it

[azure wadi]

Again, that is a stupid idea and shouldn’t happen

[nimble yoke]

I agree

[azure wadi]

Ah yes, let’s make this thing viable by making it so that carnivores won’t eat it, hmmm yes definitely will stop it from getting hunted for sport

[nimble yoke]

As many people say it's going to be killed just for shits and giggles by everything

[worn saddle]

Make biting it have a debuff too

Or, even better

Give it some actual fucking advantage

Like a strong ass attack, so that things do not mess with it.

But, tbh… I think Amarga would have worked better as a playable Dino

[karmic plank]

@barren zephyr while you are absolutely correct from a realism point of view, stiff fixed tails would look worse from an animation point of view I think.

The nice waves teno gets along its tail is totally unrealistic, yes, but it looks better that way imo.

[barren zephyr]

I wish they would focus more on hotfixes

Keep being told these bugs will be fixed in the big coming update but shouldn't they just be fixed asap?

[karmic plank]

It's just how their codebase is managed. They don't seem to keep copies of shipped versions to go back and hotfix

That's why we are getting all the fps issues atm. Instead if having a U3 that they could fix the Backdoor with, they had to take their U3.9 and try and patch it back towards U3 to get U3.5

Those of us with experience in professional, large-scale engineering (especially software) are all hoping, I think, that this has been a bit of a leaning experience

It's not the sort of mistake that any team should make more than once

So they can't fix the current version of the game because... It doesn't exist any more on their servers

[barren zephyr]

I'm not big in software development, let alone coding of all things. But to me, wouldn't it make more sense for them not to do that? Hard to explain because I'm not very knowledgeable in this subject. But as far as I know, no other development team has this method of.. hotfixing I guess. It seems very complicated to deal with

[karmic plank]

I don't like to say this, but it's all rather amateurish

[barren zephyr]

From what you've said, it surely seems that way

[karmic plank]

You are correct. These sorts of mistakes aren't made by big, respected teams typically

[barren zephyr]

Right, so my question to them is primarily why? Do they not care or something? I mean surely they would want the most efficient and non-conplicated way of hot fixing issues in their game. Especially if they want to strive for competence and professionalism

Complicated *

[karmic plank]

One reason is Unreal Engine is a bit harder to do good codebase management in, especially with a team spread all around the place... But there is no excuse for not making complete backups to go back and fix if required

I'm guessing they are working out if a SaaS cloud-based collaboration tool

Which would make backups and rolling back hard... But not so hard as to not bother with

[barren zephyr]

That's what I would think, as I don't believe they work together in the real world. Especially with Covid nowadays

[karmic plank]

Imagine if Ford found out about an issue with a car and, when asked to do a recall, said "oh yeah sorry, we threw out all the drawings when we started the next model"

So you'll just have to wait until the next one

It'll be fixed then, promise

[barren zephyr]

Sounds about right

[karmic plank]

Anyway. Hopefully there was a lessons learnt and it won't be an issue going forwards.... Because having no hotfix capability and instead relying on never having a bug is not the professional way of doing it

[barren zephyr]

I would hope so, but seeing as how they don't often take a lot of feedback I really hope this is something they'll fix

Or at least make an attempt to

[bright bay]

What do you guys think about the mixpackers? Should be a way to punish them for doing it?

[jovial hazel]

I believe the idea is that diets will have different species needing to travel to different areas. For a mix pack to hang out together some would be needing to neglect their diets and be much weaker. But we will see how it works out soon, hopefully.

[bright bay]

Do carnivores will have specific regions to their favorite animal spawns?

[barren zephyr]

I mean not exactly. Carnos would probably have to go to places where dryos usually spawn as ai. But later on because carno is a smaller game hunter it will have a lot more options than stuff like acro or velo let’s say

So yes and no

[karmic plank]

You won't ever be able to stop people helping out friends playing other species, but you can give players the tools to identify and avoid those who do

Same as cannibals

[barren zephyr]

Unless your BoB

StReSs

[jovial hazel]

If that's what they want the game to be, who can mix pack better. I'm actually down for that, could be kind of fun. Will turn this game into something completely different than a hardcore survival though.

They need to figure it out somehow, otherwise.

[bright bay]

I was talking about carnivores and herbivores mixpacking, I just watched a video now that carnos and stegos were playing togheter, so other herbs were baited to the stegos thinking they was friendly, and got killed by the mixpackers

[limber hull]

@lavish quail love the garbage goblin idea

Just imagine hearing sounds outside and there's some dinosaur-raccoons lmao

[lavish quail]

Xd yeah

[barren zephyr]

Gets eaten by a 1.6 ton raccoon/cera

[lavish quail]

Don’t underestimate the dumpster goblin

[barren zephyr]

trash demons

[lavish quail]

Straight from the isle code

A place worse than hell

[lavish quail]

@maiden anvil nice concept art!

looks awesome

[lavish quail]

@rare axle the whole point is that there isn't hotspots

your forced to explore

[rare axle]

And that's not fun, at this point they might as well delete our drinking needs

since it's everywhere

it destroyed a whole gameplay loop litteraly

[lavish quail]

yeah but its dangerous

having a few lakes is pointless

plus there will be a desert map sometime in the future

[rare axle]

They never said that

They talked about biomes maybe more arid

stuff like that

[lavish quail]

it was promised for legacy but then they cancelled it

[rare axle]

never talked about any desert or any map that would be different

[lavish quail]

for obvious reasons

it'll just take ages xD

[sacred moat]

Theyre adding a desert?

[rare axle]

No they're not

[lavish quail]

give it 6 years

[paper geyser]

a dessert perhaps