general-feedback-discussion

[feral solstice]

Not true at all.

[stuck whale]

I mean.. It is just common sense that this stuff wouldn't be getting spoken about if it wasn't a problem

[feral solstice]

You act like they can magically prevent this stuff lmao

[paper geyser]

there has always been hate, most of it is from legacy or pre-evrima release. Yes some of it is valid but i don't see how any of it is relevant now

[feral solstice]

EVERY GAME goes through these problems. EVERY GAME has severe bugs to a point.

[worn saddle]

Basically, the devs made 3 different games in the span of 7 years. That is hella fast, considering that Legacy and pre-Legacy were still playable

[stuck whale]

Give us answers and fixes to what we can try

[feral solstice]

Huh

[stuck whale]

Sorry, that was aimed at the QA. Not you

[feral solstice]

Funny

They signed an NDA contract so they can only answer you to a point

[paper geyser]

i can't give you fixes but i can give you advice. Stop playing early access games if they make you this frustrated

[stuck whale]

That's okay, when it comes to server related stuff to help the community.. There's not actually any NDAs in place for a little bit of advice, take yourself off to fan art for a little whilst we can try sort out some stuff

[tired tiger]

im to annoyed to get in another argument with this community i did one at 9 oclock last night

[feral solstice]

If you’re complaining about a bug or two to a QA member.. what do you think they can even tell you?

They aren’t Filipe who’s an actual programmer

Who knows his code

[stuck whale]

Advice is all we need, any idea what could be causing all these issues on the unofficial servers?

[feral solstice]

That’s a developer question

[paper geyser]

i don't, and if i did i doubt i'd be able to tell you

[feral solstice]

He doesn’t know the code

[icy lion]

how would we know? theres hundreds of variables that effect unofficial server performance without mentioning the game itself

[stuck whale]

Why are you answering the QAs questions for them?

[feral solstice]

Because they’re illogical.

Don’t ask a programmer question to a QA member

[stuck whale]

So what's the best server provider we could use to get the same performance as the official servers?

[hard briar]

youre missing the point entirely, its not that its in early access, its not that theres only a handful of playables, its the fact theyre tryna push content out on a broken game that needs prioritising to fix, whats point fixing it when a new update drops when that update is gonna cause more problems.... its just common sense to fix the game first then start to add new things to it

[paper geyser]

what is the point in fixing one bug when the next patch could bring it back?

[dreamy bison]

Should I say it again that the bug fixes and content are coming at the same time

[feral solstice]

Hun, again, there’s a stress test coming. You’re missing the point entirely. The stress test will add content while letting us stress test to prevent more bugs while seeing if the FIXES for the bugs will work.

There’s no point in fixing the public branch when they’re about ready for the stress test.

[paper geyser]

bugs will be fixed in the next update, trying to push out a build this close to a stress test and a content update wouldn't be practical or useful. Yes, it is frustrating as a player to not be able to play the game but it will be fixed soon

[stuck whale]

Best server provider in your opinion?

[hard briar]

its not just "one bug" its not even a bug, the game is literally broken for quite a lot of players, just calling it a bug is a understatement at the best.

[paper geyser]

i don't know, i'm not knowledgeable in server hosting

[feral solstice]

Which can help them fix their game WAY BETTER than just releasing an update and hope for the best that players will report it fast.

[paper geyser]

Please, do enlighten me as to what you'd call a game-breaking bug?

[stuck whale]

Would it come under the NDA if we knew what hosts the official servers ran on?

[paper geyser]

i believe so

[hard briar]

is lag a bug? is rubber banding a bug?

[feral solstice]

Those are all performance bugs yes

[stuck whale]

So, official servers get the better stuff than the unofficial? Or did I misread?

[icy lion]

you might be able to dm punchpacket about that, but its very possible that the provider is intentionally anonymous

[icy lion]

you misread

[feral solstice]

Anything that falls under effecting a games performance that’s not intentional is a performance bug.

[hard briar]

end of the day i get where you all are coming from to degree, but agreeing with them about fixing the game while adding content is mind blowing

[paper geyser]

Yes, there are likely bugs in the game's code that are causing these problems. Or they can simply be called performance issues, which are probably due to insufficient optimisation and fall under the "active development" umbrella

[feral solstice]

Not really

There’s a stress test coming

Again

No point in fixing the current branch when you can just do that while there’s more content.

And also to test the fixes

[stuck whale]

I tried DMing Punchpacket about a couple of things, one of them being hackers on the servers that a QA member helped me with.. And another about a serious server side issue that needed taking care of.. I understand he's a busy man, but it doesn't get read

[dreamy bison]

Think about it like waiting for the fire department instead of individually putting out fires in your house one by one

[hard briar]

stress test in how long? like i said before this stress test could be in a month for all we know

[feral solstice]

All we know is they’re about ready to release it.
It’s up to you whether or not you want to guess the release date

[still raptor]

There isn’t a need for fixing the game now. That will just put focus on a not needed patch that may fuck up things making it worse. We already have a stress test coming in the coming weeks

[feral solstice]

^

[paper geyser]

i understand this isn't of much use to you, but i trust the people i work beside. If the developers have made the choice to not push out a hotfix now then i trust that decision and understand that it is likely the most practical decision.

[dreamy bison]

I am pretty sure Filipe said the stress test would likely be released within the month

so take it with a grain of salt

[feral solstice]

Well we have like what, 2 days left?

[hard briar]

so youre just gonna let the house potentially burn down? if youll have the easier mind set nothing is gonna get done

[still raptor]

3

[feral solstice]

Okay what Krayt said

[still raptor]

Wait no 2

[feral solstice]

So you’re gonna risk your life to try and put out a house that’s in flames with no equipment to help put it out?

What

Do you have a giant fire hose laying around somewhere?

Do you have a fire truck laying around somewhere?

[stuck whale]

Give the community servers the best possible chance of thriving, give us the best optimisation and the best server host and I can guarantee you wouldn't see any complaints from us

[hard briar]

if i have a fire in my house and i have water im gonna try put it out, not if the entire house is on fire tho

[feral solstice]

You do realize if the flame is too large, water won’t do shit, right

[dreamy bison]

there’s really nothing wrong with taking a break from a Beta version of a game because you can’t play on unofficially servers. It will probably be resolved before you know it

[feral solstice]

And this is assuming you even have TIME to put it out.
Fires grow fast.

[stuck whale]

We've had the issue since update 3, aswell as hundreds if not thousands of the players experiencing game crashes since then too

[hard briar]

so you all think ppl who have oven fires or somthing just leaves it until help arrives?

if i know i can put it out before it gets worse im gonna do that

[dreamy bison]

So take a break, the game will be fixed at some point or another. It’s still in production so you really have nothing to worry about

[feral solstice]

Well you did say “if your house is on fire”

[hard briar]

i aint gonna let it burn and wait for ppl to help because its "easier"

[feral solstice]

So I’m assuming “your house is on fire”

Which you can’t extinguish on your own

You need a fire fighter team for that

[hard briar]

i can say my toast is burnt and only mean a part of it, that was just a example 🤣

[stuck whale]

We could take a break, I took a break myself but we run a community discord with over 5000 people in it solely related to Evrima.. We want what's best for the community, and it isn't getting answered

[dreamy bison]

It is getting answered, you are just being impatient

[feral solstice]

Welp that’s too bad. Cause last I checked “house is on fire” means “your house is on fire” instead of saying “my oven is on fire”

But hey

Each to their own

[hard briar]

saying your house is on fire doesnt mean your entire house is on fire tho

[stuck whale]

2.5 months later and no answers, has nothing to do with impatience my friend

[hard briar]

you could have a small ass fire and still say its on fire

[feral solstice]

So you’re going to call the fire fighters and say what?

[stuck whale]

Not when there's over 5000 people involved.. Patience just doesn't come into it, it's simply just common sense

[hard briar]

but anyways that was just an example like i said

[feral solstice]

Mhm sure

[dreamy bison]

Yes it does, considering it is in development. The devs have more than just your bugs on their plate

[feral solstice]

But anyways

[paper geyser]

unfortunately patience will have to do. Asking them to work faster doesn't work

[stuck whale]

I don't want anyone to work faster, just some optimisation needs to happen.. If we weren't experiencing these problems, I really wouldn't be here talking about it

[paper geyser]

the same applies

[stuck whale]

The game was fine before update 3, and I bet 95% of the players on this discord can agree that there wasn't this many issues with update 2

[paper geyser]

unfortunately the developers are working in the way they believe is best, and trusting them is the best you can do

[feral solstice]

wait for the stress test. It ain’t gonna be long from now. It’s a better approach than updating the public branch separately and risking it breaking even more with little data compared to a stress test, which will also provide you with content and the bug fixes for you to test.

[feral solstice]

Uh that’s debatable lmao

[dreamy bison]

This game has gotten way better since update 2 IMO

[feral solstice]

I bet you right now they’ll say it had a lot of issues

[dreamy bison]

Around Christmas was the worst the game has ever been

[stuck whale]

I trust them for sure, but still just boils down to better optimisation

[paper geyser]

and you will get that better optimisation with time

i'd bet money that the final stretch of the game before 1.0 will be solely focused on QoL and optimisation

[fallow vine]

when ever evrima was first released was the worst lol it was so shit

[paper geyser]

not that they won't work on it before that, of course

[stuck whale]

Well I hope it won't be long, I've seen the server lists falling with numbers every single day and it's getting depressing. For such a great game with all the potential, I don't even want that myself

[fallow vine]

so buggy etc

[dreamy bison]

evrima has come a long way

[feral solstice]

Though

You are right

The numbers are falling. But it’s slowing down

So we’re coming back to an equalized player count

Which will probably rise duing the stress test

[hard briar]

and why do you think the numbers are falling? because no one can play the game rn

[feral solstice]

So just wait a bit longer

[stuck whale]

And that's good, but my point still stands.. If the game wasn't experiencing so many issues, it wouldn't be dropping at all

Good that the numbers are equalising I mean

[hard briar]

so thats a game breaking issue that needs priority over content

[feral solstice]

Again you’re over-exaggerating. You can still play the game. Though I’ll agree it’s problematic right now, it’s not “100% gamebreaking” unless you can’t completely play the game.

Your Dino will get deleted from safelogging but that’s the only “game breaking” bug I’ll agree with

No other bugs stoop to that level

[stuck whale]

The sickness bug that can actually take up to 2 hours to fix itself?

[feral solstice]

Wel

Atleast that goes away in 20 minutes

If you don’t constantly overeat

Safelogging bug doesn’t

It’s continuous minus the lucky moments

[stuck whale]

Not always, sometimes it can take 30 seconds to clear, sometimes it can take up to 2 hours

[rare fractal]

It actually doesn't go away in 20 minutes sometimes, I've had it last about an hour before

[feral solstice]

Interesting

Mines usually 20 minutes and occasionally 30.

That’s odd though

[dreamy bison]

the sickness bug doesn't make it at all unplayable, you can still resume and more times than not live regardless of being sick

[feral solstice]

^

Though it’s annoying I’ll give you that

[hard briar]

im not exaggerating tho, it sounds like you are one of the lucky ones without that much effects, ive died to invisible tenos, 90% of the time everyone is flying. the game crashes when you grow players, the game crashes just playing the game. the admin panel takes agers to show up, and majority of the time it doesnt show at all, basiclly every admin ability you cant do or you will be stuck or crash. and you cant fight anyone has theyre not where theyre on your screen. i aint making all this up

[stuck whale]

It does also drop stamina, from the start of sickness, it's atleast 2 teno tail slams worth that has evaporated just with the bug?

Might not seem like much, but it counts

[karmic grove]

As someone who came from a game where developers made a lot of promises about bugs and revamping the game and never followed through, I think @stuck whale’s concerns are pretty valid.

[rare fractal]

If you get attacked by a couple carnos when sick your chances of survival just dropped from 30% to none

[feral solstice]

Hun, I don’t know what game you’re playing, or whether or not your computer is trash af and your settings are wonky.
I haven’t crashed much and I’m sure a lot of people would agree with me about that.
And you’re all stating problems that seem to be infrequent, atleast for me. If that’s the case it might be a problem of different computer/pc setups, though I have no clue why.

[dreamy bison]

if the unofficial servers are not functional then you can still play on official until unofficial servers get fixed

[rare fractal]

You seem to be playing on servers with terrible latency, do you typically play on servers with high ping?

[feral solstice]

^

[hard briar]

its not the fact that theres bugs, every game has bugs at some point, but not fixing that just so you can release it with content because its easier its the way to go to me

[feral solstice]

Also that seems to be rubberbanding which was patched, which is again, probably tile lag or high latency.

[hard briar]

i can have 40 ping with the same effect, its the not the ping mate. its the game

[feral solstice]

40 ping doesn’t stay the same though

[rare fractal]

Huh, well I've never even experienced some of the stuff you're talking about nor have I heard of it until just now so that's very odd

[feral solstice]

^

[stuck whale]

We wanted to boil it down the server host that we have, but we've changed providers twice and also changed host locations 4 times and to no avail.. It's just not done anything at all for us

[feral solstice]

Indeed very odd

[hard briar]

my pc is fine, before this new update 17days ago everything ran great but that update broke it, not just for me either

[stuck whale]

That's the only reason I'm here, I thought it might've been our server.. But we've tried everything, and since the last 2 hotfixes, it's become unplayable for us

Joined a few other servers, it's also been the same

[feral solstice]

So it may be different computers or pcs being incompatible with the actual game system, cause a lot of OTHER people agree with me on how it’s not as problematic as how you mentioned it.

Idk

[stuck whale]

I'm also the same, steady ping.. Constantly between 40-50

[feral solstice]

It’s very odd

Which is something you’re gonna have to report when the stress test arrives, because it’ll give them the best data on how to approach the bugs.

[rare fractal]

I think the main reason people are still on Evrima is because, by comparison, Legacy is starting to feel very procedural

Other than that I can't imagine dealing with some of the issues yall are having

[karmic grove]

Just because you are not experiencing the issues doesn’t mean they aren’t issues caused by the bugs in the game

[feral solstice]

It’s still very odd that I don’t go through any of this, even though the gameplay is the same for everyone

It’s gotta be something to do with not being compatible with the games system that causes more bugs than others

[rare fractal]

Yeah same

[feral solstice]

But again

Take that with a grain of salt

[stuck whale]

I went and played on Legacy myself for a couple of weeks, and it's crazy but you're right.. Evrima is the game I love, and I wouldn't be here if there wasn't an issue

[hard briar]

if it was only me and a few players i wouldnt be here talking about it

[rare fractal]

Yeah me too, the only reason I'm active on legacy is because a few friends of mine really enjoy Legacy utah

Not sure why :/

[feral solstice]

Same with me

I have a ton of people who’ve said it runs fine

[stuck whale]

Probably because the bodies don't lag out and crash peoples games on Legacy hahah

[feral solstice]

So it comes down to perspective and compatibility

[rare fractal]

xD Yeah maybe, but I think it's because legacy utah is severely op and they like the power trip

[hard briar]

so this is just gonna go round in circles, just because your game is fine doesnt mean some of the player base isnt having problems too

[stuck whale]

We have seen players say it runs fine, I've also skipped through our own server, and several other community servers and in the end, I dare say hundreds.. If not thousands, are experiencing game issues at this moment

[feral solstice]

Never said that

I’m just saying it doesn’t seem to happen to me

[stuck whale]

Yeah, definitely hahaha

[karmic grove]

You’re just assuming it is coming down to compatibility because your gameplay hasn’t been effected atm

[rare fractal]

The only issues I have are the log bug and absurd lag when looking north or when near the norther half of center

[feral solstice]

And with rubberbanding, a ton of people, a TON, have said it’s gone, and so have the developers.

[rare fractal]

It's not an irrational conclusion

[feral solstice]

Exactly, because I have no way to understand why because some people say it’s running fine and some aren’t

[stuck whale]

It could be anything, for all we know.. It could be a simple mistake in the isles coding that was implemented from the last update, a rotten file somewhere deep in the computer that has actually effected thousands of players

[hard briar]

but you said i was over-exaggerating?

[feral solstice]

It’s not a bad conclusion

[karmic grove]

But it’s an assumption nevertheless.

[feral solstice]

Yeah, the way you explained it originally was over-exaggerated, but it’s not anymore.

[rare fractal]

Originally explained that is

[feral solstice]

^

[hard briar]

ahhh well my fish needs walking so ill leave you all to it

[feral solstice]

Have a good one

Enjoy walking your uh

[stuck whale]

Get a better PC

[feral solstice]

Catfish?

[hard briar]

no u

[rare fractal]

The most walkable fish

[karmic grove]

Imo, I’m glad your game works but let those who have issues announce those issues and get help from the devs so that they can play normally like you are so privileged to.

[feral solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/catfish-gif-8393698

[rare fractal]

You are announcing it tho, we can't stop you from doing so

[stuck whale]

Seriously though, the point wasn't to argue.. There is something there that is effecting thousands of players

[feral solstice]

Of course, but if it’s said in an exaggerated way as if it’s the most game breaking thing to ever exist, than I’m going to point it out.

[feral solstice]

Agreed

[karmic grove]

But you’re telling us we are wrong and our bugs don’t exist

[rare fractal]

plus we aren't privileged in our preemptive fixing of an issue that affects a lot of people

[feral solstice]

I was saying the way it was said was over exaggerated and the way you’ve been explaining the bugs was infact something else entirely lol

[rare fractal]

No, neither I or titan have said that, we said it was surprising and that we didn't have them

[feral solstice]

If it’s from bodies or in the swamps

[rare fractal]

But they very clearly exist for you guys

[feral solstice]

It’s tile lag

Tile lag happens most frequently within the swamps

Because for some reason there’s a bunch of them

[stuck whale]

For sure it's surprising, how do you think I feel reading your comments and realising neither of you don't experience bugs? But the 100s of people I come across everyday do? Aswell as myself, this is frustrating to no end

[feral solstice]

So it renders everything within that tile, and you’re constantly moving through tiles which causes a type of lag.

[hard briar]

let me correct you there rq, just like my point earlier. your game is fine like you said so if me and others are saying its game breaking for us, that isnt an exaggeration. that is literately you thinking "my game is fine so it cant be that bad"

[rare fractal]

Some of it is probably hardware constraints, but that is really weird. Btw I do have a ton of bugs but I specifically don't have any flying tenontos

I have unfortunately not witnessed a teno take flight

[tight lantern]

@cosmic trellis

I dig it. In a way it's almost a form of collision assistance, yes? I've been waiting and hoping for body checks and whatnot relatively soon and this seems like it'd play into it well.

[still raptor]

Speaking of collision

With this basic terrible collision and zero foliage interaction besides eating, its an immersion breaker for me

[stuck whale]

It's the same rubberbanding issue that the devs fixed in the last 2 hotfixes, that never actually got fixed.. Myself and others have tried full reinstalls of the game, full reinstall of the files.. Updated the server through the server host.. We're just pretty lost

[feral solstice]

Its fine to state your matters, but to where you state it’s “unplayable” or “gamebreaking” when you enter somewhere like the swamp which is “known” to have a bunch of tiles you can run through and end up falling it “rubberbanding”, than yeah. Either it’s you over exaggerating the problem, or it’s you not understanding what the actual bug is.

Tile lag is probably as frequent as rubberbanding is now.

[rare fractal]

Oh I also have rubberbanding, it isn't incredibly common but it happens around other players a ton

[stuck whale]

I joined a server I never heard about yesterday, it had 20 players online in it and I joined and they were having issues that we get at 80 players.. They were running PingPerfect on max options for CPU, Memory and what not

[drowsy sun]

Have you ever seen a dead stego breakdance to Michael Jackson's Thriller? It's pretty funny ngl 😹

[stuck whale]

I thought they fixed that with update 3.5? 💀

[feral solstice]

If you somehow “rubberband”, again, rubberbanding is where you’re teleport some distance back to where you originally were. Tile lag is like your character spazzes out in different directions or you go through a mega lag spike when running around.

[rare fractal]

I haven't seen dancing corpses in a bit

[still raptor]

Tile lag is indefinite problem that will occur because of the way the map is made and how it renders. Its been “a problem” since Evrimas release

[feral solstice]

^

[rare fractal]

^

[stuck whale]

Rubberbanding and floating dinos, I can legit say I don't experience ANY tile lag at all

[feral solstice]

The 3 major performance bugs are as follows

Microstuttering
FPS drops
And Tile lag

Atleast so far

[still raptor]

Its minute but it is a thing

[cosmic trellis]

yeeis

[still raptor]

Micro-stuttering is also a problem since the game doesn’t have Async computing

[stuck whale]

I experienced tile lag alot on Legacy, I did a few days ago too I had to relog to fix it.. But I don't get tile lag on Evrima and never have

[hard briar]

but that again is my point.... whys is just me that aint "understanding" or "over exaggerating". youve literally proved my point with it. just because your game is fine doesnt mean everyone else isnt having "game breaking" problems. you can play a game fine and i could have a error codetrying to load that same game....

[still raptor]

^

Everyones client is different with different software and hardware

Its like denying that someone has 8 fps like in Evrimas release while you have a constant 60

[hard briar]

so really its you that aint understanding that the game can be broke for other ppl. and we are here to express that in hopes it gets fixed. coz ive done everything on my side what could be the cause of it. and its a good chunk of players with the same issue or i wouldnt be here. so dont say were over exaggerating or we dont understand just because you aint experiencing that

[feral solstice]

Which also plays into my point. You can announce your problems as much as you like, but going around saying it’s unplayable or game breaking while still being able to play the game seems to be over-exaggeration.

And yes Krow, that’s what I said originally. It seems to be different computer/pc that can or cannot be compatible with the actual TI system which causes more bugs than others. Though if it’s to a point of supposedly “rubberbanding”, it’s just less believable, since a bunch of people have told me they don’t Rubberband anymore. But since other people have “reported” rubberbanding, maybe it is so.

Shit

I called you Krow

Krayt*

If you can still somehow play the game even with all these “bugs”, than I don’t consider that unplayable or gamebreaking.

But that’s atleast how I see it.

[tired tiger]

@lone kite the big fish move away from crocs

[hard briar]

so youre saying a game that crashes all the time, a game where everyone is flying, a game where you get killed by invisible players. a game that you cant use admin panel or your game is gonna freeze or crash is playable? if you think sitting at the menu or sitting away from everyone else just so you dont die to the game being broke for us is playable then you really need to understand that word mate

[dreamy bison]

game is playable, unofficial is not playable it seems

[hard briar]

the game might be playable for you.....

[dreamy bison]

it will be for you too, if you just wait

[hard briar]

you all aint getting anything, your fighting this off what you know so we aint going to go anywhere with this at all

[tired tiger]

everyone knows that mags

[feral solstice]

Again, these are things I’ve never experienced (and for one I’ve never been an admin), so I’ll have to take that as a grain of salt.
And from what you’ve just stated, sure that seems unplayable. Maybe unofficials are what’s truly unplayable. Though idk.
My game atleast for me is playable and it’s the same for most of the people I ask.

[tired tiger]

its laggy but playable

[dreamy bison]

then why bother arguing

[tired tiger]

?? i just got here

[hard briar]

thats my point mate. dont say to someone that theyre exaggerating or they dont understand when you dont know the other side of it

[feral solstice]

I’m getting it, but only when it’s not used as an over exaggerated statement like unplayable or gamebreaking.
But since you explained further, I might consider that maybe unplayable

[dreamy bison]

no point in complaining about an issue that is known and is going to be fixed

[karmic grove]

Because they want their game fixed while others keep saying their game isn’t broken basically.

[tired tiger]

yeh

[dreamy bison]

who cares? the devs know the problems and are doing their part to fix them

[tired tiger]

people some people ate gonna be right

[karmic grove]

You just said it was playable without reading the unplayable bugs they were encountering….

[tired tiger]

??

[hard briar]

like ive said to you many times bud, just because you THINK its not unplayable doesnt mean its like that for the rest of us. youre literately just going off what you know at this point

[tired tiger]

there are a lot of bugs agreed and they need to fix the lag at central

[dreamy bison]

i did read the problems, they just never occur on offical

or if they do it's very rare

[tired tiger]

they do a lot

[feral solstice]

After coming from being told by a bunch of players that their game is fine, it’s going to be less believable to me about these “problems” since most servers I play are fine, but again, now that you’ve explained further, it may or may not be unplayable to some.

[hard briar]

so why you getting involved if youve never experienced it?

[karmic grove]

Why would we just make up our problems to talk about here?

[dreamy bison]

because you guys keep aruging about problems that will be fixed

[feral solstice]

But again, I’ll take it with a grain of salt until I actually see it since a bunch of people have lied about their game performance before

[hard briar]

a bunch of players doesn't compare to how many players actually play the game mate

[feral solstice]

Ahem.
dio

[feral solstice]

But it compares to how many players say their game is bugged, no?

[hard briar]

you cant base it of a handful of players

[tired tiger]

@dreamy bison these glitches and lag spike happen alot to certain people but you can not go around saying there wrong

[dense meteor]

There's videos on YouTube of broken ai, lag experience or rubber banding, frames spiking for no reason etc. So if you arnt experiencing it look it up on youtube

[dreamy bison]

doesn't matter if they occur for some or not, if you report bugs and they are reproducible then they will be fixed

[feral solstice]

Name the recent videos and I’ll watch them

[dense meteor]

I'll link them

[feral solstice]

Go ahead

[hard briar]

this is the difference between us mate, i aint saying your over exaggerating that the game is fine for you... ive never once doubted you. if youre game is fine then good for you, but i aint gonna say its not just because mine isnt

and honesly i have no idea what the ratio of how many players its effecting or not, but if i was the only one with the problem i wouldnt be here

[feral solstice]

Maybe it’s because I never stated the game is minty fresh perfectly good and great and there’s no bugs. But yeah

That’s when I’m considered over exaggerating or, maybe even lying

[tired tiger]

not if the admins never listen which they dont listen

[feral solstice]

which some people have done in this server mind you

[hard briar]

you literally dont make any sense at this point mate, youre just waffling

[dreamy bison]

they do, if you report them through #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[feral solstice]

I’m comparing to you over exaggeration with your statement of not “doubting me”

[tired tiger]

ive treid so many times not even a comment about it

[feral solstice]

But this has definitely been going in circles

[hard briar]

only point you have in this is that yours is fine

[karmic grove]

I just don’t get why you think you need to be the gatekeeper of issues

[hard briar]

and youre saying that im over exaggerating because of that

[dreamy bison]

you will probably not receive a comment about it being fixed, but instead just see it being fixed in the next update

that or you failed to properly report it

[icy lion]

That is because the admins are not developers.

[feral solstice]

Im saying you’re over exaggerating because you compared supposed issues to other issues that sound exactly the same as less problematic issues, like comparing rubberbanding to tile lag in the swamps.

[tired tiger]

and the next update its like 1 update every year so i dont see ur point

[feral solstice]

But this, again, has been going on forever

Which is probably something we should drop now 🤷‍♂️

[tired tiger]

dude in this community arguments go on for hours

[dreamy bison]

try 5 months at worse

[tired tiger]

7months

[feral solstice]

I’ve been in a ton of those and I prefer not to be in one

[dreamy bison]

neither update 2 or 3 took 7 months

[tired tiger]

dude u get caught in thes u dont just go in it

[rare fractal]

Arguing is often entertaining

[feral solstice]

^

[tired tiger]

yes especially during a pandemic

[lone kite]

im talking about the little fish

[tired tiger]

oh ok

[feral solstice]

But if it gets to the point where it’s out of hand and goes on for hours where people start insulting eachother than yes

I’d like to leave

[tired tiger]

were not insulting people

or are we i dont know

[feral solstice]

But the arguements that go on for hours are usually the ones where people insult eachother

Like the magy wars

Or

Fun

The balance flak

Talk*

[rare fractal]

The utah balancing crusade

[tired tiger]

or the haast war last night

[feral solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/shotgun-crusader-door-enter-gif-17792300

[tired tiger]

2 hours

[rare fractal]

Haast never got insulting

[tired tiger]

yeh i know

[rare fractal]

Just weighing the validity of points

[tired tiger]

yeh it was fun tho

[tired tiger]

who won i did not see the end

[rare fractal]

We kinda agreed that Haast would be a very odd pick

[tired tiger]

oh so no haast

[rare fractal]

Well as far as the people involved in that discussion were concerned

Doesn't mean anything definitive for the game

[tired tiger]

im gonna do my assignment now

cya

[rare fractal]

gotcha

[tired tiger]

ok??

[barren zephyr]

what

[honest sparrow]

Islecord general feedback discussion

[tired tiger]

ok

[barren zephyr]

Islecord in general

[boreal thistle]

What does the timer ⏲ mean when posted?

[lone kite]

that the sugestion is planed for fueture updates

[boreal thistle]

Wow. Awesome

Thank You

[dense wagon]

manages to misspell three different names at once

[karmic plank]

Sorry if I missed this in all the back and forth arguments about ptera quetz haast: Big raptor birds almost always flee from aggressive smaller birds

I used to live where Wegetail Eagles were common, and now live where big Ospreys are common, and you used to see them getting chased and hassled by smaller birds all the time if they come in low

Magpies and Butcher birds will chase wedgetails (slightly bigger than Bald Eagles), seagulls will chase ospreys

Basically the bird equivalent of legacy tailriding

Unless Quetz is significantly faster than ptera (or can climb faster and with less stam) than ptera vs quetz will be like ptera vs carno

Ptera vs ptera is already very difficult, I can't see quetz ever having the maneuverability to land a hit on ptera while a good ptera could just tail ride (wingride?) quetz

[limber hull]

Quetz will probably be far faster than ptera, and have tools necessary to catch fast moving smaller targets

[tight lantern]

Hi gang, before I go about dragging myself through hours of comments after my marginally welcomed suggestion, what are we discussing tonight?

[paper oriole]

bird

[tight lantern]

I agree the Quetz should be faster than the Ptera, albeit a much slower turn capability

[paper oriole]

i mean its basically sky carno

shit agility, high speed, ambushes smalls (from above)

[tight lantern]

Damn, I thought I liked the Quetz, but thinking about it now, damn. I can't stand Carnos, and now thinking about the concept of a flying Carno has me feeling some type of way

Can't wait til I'm a Cera and can fold a Carno

[karmic plank]

I scan read the last 24 hours seemed like a lot of (to put it bluntly) bickering, so I wouldn't worry about going through it

Some good points but no real resolutions

I'm still hyped for quetz but dunno how it will be viable

[limber hull]

I agree on the sky carno sentiment

[limber hull]

Remember that quetz will likely be fucking bodied by anything larger than it on the ground, and due to its lighter frame, that's a LOT of things. A utah could probably pin one lmao

[tight lantern]

It do be facts tho', you're right there.

[limber hull]

Quetz would be an extremist version of carno. Small game hunter? Well it can't do jackshit to anything larger than it. High mobility? Even HIGHER than that.

[karmic plank]

Sonic the Quetzhog

[paper oriole]

putting a compass on the stam meter instead of with sniff 👌

[karmic plank]

Legit deleted mine because that is better

Post and I'll give it a ✅

[paper oriole]

i did post it way back lol i can post it again

[karmic plank]

Good ideas are worth repeating

There's so many atm easy for them to get lost in the noise

[paper oriole]

#general-feedback message
was the og

[karmic plank]

Always humbling when you think you have a great idea and someone beat you to it by like 2 months

[paper oriole]

hey it just means its a shared idea lol

means its wanted at least somewhat

[karmic plank]

What's Bruning referring to? Was there a stream I missed?

[paper oriole]

there was a pachy diets gameplay show recently he might be talking about that

[limber hull]

yea there was a stream

and the diet spawn system wasn't complete so Filipe was struggling to find certain foods, so the game is going to die

[karmic plank]

To be fair, Filipe doesn't seem to get much time to play or familiarise with the work by the other devs, which is both good and bad

You don't need to play a game to work on it, just like you don't need to be a chef to design a BBQ... Does help though

Good in that there's obviously a structures plan of what needs to be done, which is usually better than huge amounts of autonomy

[steel field]

Filipe did find part of his diet food, he didn't find the rest because he didn't go to the beach wich is where the rest of them were

[karmic plank]

Well, lack of intuitiveness should come up during QA if it's still an issue

[limber hull]

Remember there was also the issue of him getting stuck on the beach due to poor map design over in that area.

[steel field]

Also they do have the plants modeled and textured, if brunning payed attention to the video at all he would have noticed Filipe ate from a fully modeled horned melon

[karmic plank]

Shouldn't need to consult a wiki to find out how to do basic stuff like avoid starvation

So it sounds like U4 still has a ways to go? Ah well

[feral solstice]

This feedback is wrong in so many ways

“The programmer couldn’t find the diets for 30 minutes even though he was constantly looking back at chat and answering questions aswell as looking around making sure the mechanics were working such as Herbi trot sniff. This game is gonna die”

[feral solstice]

Not necessarily

[sudden hinge]

I hate feedback like what bruining says it’s so trolly in nature and usually is just sad

[feral solstice]

That’s why they’re releasing a stress test though

[last lily]

Ew RNG

[zealous violet]

Whats rng?

[paper oriole]

Random number generator. Or basically, uncontrollable chance

[zealous violet]

ohhh. thx

[paper oriole]

Its annoying to have in a lot of aspects

Like the bb in legacy was rng

[zealous violet]

bb?

[paper oriole]

Bone break

[zealous violet]

OH. XD

[paper oriole]

It was all up to chance, though it was high chance still

Like if s rex bit you and you were another apex it just randomly decided if it applied bb or not. Rng can work for skins imo but it should have some player imput

Like maybe nesting and genes related

[zealous violet]

D: Really? I didnt know that!

[paper oriole]

Its why its a great thing that bb is being reworked lol

Stacking fracture system > rng full leg break

[last lily]

Yeah, Miragaia's got it spot on. I'd rather not have skins be related to RNG though, much rather leave that up to player choice. RNG should be extremely limited in games, because when it gets overblown.. it becomes a problem

||Loot boxes and shit cough||

[paper oriole]

Like i can see some patterns being nesting inherited and if you make it to adult you get it permanently as a customization option but thats basically it. Not full on skins

[last lily]

-Your virtual dinosaur wife cheated on you and your child is now an oreo, congratulations.

[paper oriole]

lol or imagine just getting screwed over and having to kill yourself because rng made you albino

[last lily]

It happened to me back in the days of progression. .got albino Giga and albino Spino when I wanted different skins for them, F.

Hours spent to get an apex,.. and got a fucking albino.

[paper oriole]

I can see parents with absolute shit genes occasionally dropping an albino IF their poor genetics are visible in the nesting menu so players know what theyre risking

Some people might want to risk it but it should be up to them and not just a rando chance for anybody

[last lily]

Optional albinos would be my way to go.. although, it'd still be nice if they SOMEHOW got the idea of 'cannibals are sus appearance wise' thing going.. but I can see it being a bitch to program.

Don't trust the White van stego as a juvenile stego.

[paper oriole]

If we got straight up customization albinos wed have them everywhere and thats sort of cringe. I did like the old cannibalism albinism too, with leucism being a poor gene nesting chance instead maybe

Somebody also suggested fading in piebald skins for cannibals

Both can look intimidating

[zealous violet]

I agree, having more options for players in general always makes for a better game.

[last lily]

I think the biggest issue with actually making that a feature is figuring out how tf the game would separate you from attacking another member of your own species as a non cannibal species... to defending yourself from actual would be cannibals.

[paper oriole]

Like i dont want legacy bananasaurs all over the place again lol

I guess it would have to be real refular to apply the skin

[last lily]

Legacy banasaurs and oreos running around.

[paper oriole]

Like it would fade in over time

[last lily]

Better than BoB's neon pink Dinos it had on launch.

[paper oriole]

Oh god bob zebra dinos and glowing neon dinos

Cant even see their model textures through their kindergarten colouring book skins

[last lily]

I want more patterns in Evrima.. I really do.. I just think a tenoto with a striped tail would look sick.

[paper oriole]

I hope the skin system doesnt disappoint

Something like a better version of PoT skins would be nice

[last lily]

Or a carnotaurus with more color emphasis on the horns, face and throat, and leave the tail alone.. .Or a speckled/dotted T. Rex skin.. or striped Utah..

[paper oriole]

With pattern variations

Theres also a skin customization i love in draconia where you can move a pattern around so dinos with same pattern choices can still look different

[last lily]

That' sounds pretty cool.. I would love to see how juvenile and adult pattern transitions with more customization would look though.

[paper oriole]

I hated in legacy where a juvie skin looked cool and then the adult skin was super boring lol

Like on galli

[last lily]

Poor baby stego has literally no pattern variation separate from the adult.. It's at least nice to look at tenoto, utah and carno and see the patterns slowly come in as dots and specks.

I tried to make the Dino D Day Dilo skin on a dilo... it didn't work out, F.

[paper oriole]

Rip

[last lily]

Just let me make my dilo look vaguely similar to that..

[zealous violet]

lol yeah no neon dinos plz! XD

Theres so many natrual and super neat coat colors and patterns out in the world, there shouldnt be too much of an issue with future customization.

[last lily]

I'd love if they gave us more customization for dinosaur eyes.. I absolutely despise some of the current eyes the dinos have in-game.... Fun fact, the current evrima Stego has horizontal eye lids for some ungodly reason, instead of vertical.

[zealous violet]

horizontal like cows, horses an goats?

That might be my fault from way back. ^^u

[last lily]

Not the pupils... The eye lids themselves, rip.

[zealous violet]

D:

whut now?

[last lily]

When you see a stego blink, the eye lids come in from the sides and close.

[zealous violet]

[last lily]

Once you see it you can't unsee it.

[zealous violet]

ohhh nooo. why why why why why whyyyy

now i gotta look

[paper oriole]

https://youtu.be/VUCDgICtzhE

At around 25 sec in theres the pattern moving customization that i think would be cool

[last lily]

I ask myself that when I see how slanted the carnotaurus's pupils are and how much it infuriates me..

[paper oriole]

I hate how the eyes were different in a lot of renders than they are ingame

[last lily]

SAME

Dyro and Stego's eyes are just D E A D and empty of life in-game

Dyro's eyes were full of life in the renders

[zealous violet]

NOOOO!!!!! What has been seen.... why would they do this to the stegos eyes

It looks like an alien T_T

Its definitely going on the next general-feedback...

[last lily]

Baby stego's skull also smooshes together and thins out when eating, drinking, grazing or sitting down(mid sitting down animation), or doing some calls.

[zealous violet]

I just noticed too that the raspy sound of when a dino is supposed to lose their voice from over-calling is really random. Sometimes you'll sit and 1 call for an hour and never get the rasp. But just as this stego ive started sounded raspy and quiet after the 2nd call.

I gotta admit, it drives me bugfuck when people emoji react to my feedback with just the question mark emoji. Like Sir, please, I will be happy to explain if you'll only ask me

XD

Anywho, im going to bed. Night all.

[last lily]

Night

[karmic plank]

People who ❌'d Miragaia's compass idea: why?

Unless you are against removing the magnetosense, which isn't a required part of the suggestion - it could easily be supplementary to the current compass, showing which way your Dino is running (instead of which way your camera is pointing).

[last lily]

The current scent compass is useless... so it'd be nice if it was actually useful..

[maiden epoch]

The current Compass don't Show North, West, South and East

[hoary dawn]

the bit that points up is north and the bit that points down is south

[wanton hull]

I don’t get why the compass idea got so many ❌

[paper geyser]

same, i actually liked it

[wanton hull]

Guess it might not work with the hexagon but its a good suggestion nonetheless

[paper geyser]

sniff is a really time consuming mechanic that only serves to slow down gameplay imo

it's more frustrating than anything

[worn saddle]

I preferred the old sniff, to be honest. Where the food/plants/water glowed when you sniff them

The new one just looks ugly.

[tawny merlin]

ive got the feeling that a minimalist option that relies more heavily on the directional indicator shown at the top of the screen would be nice
would de-clutter the amount of effects on the screen
& maybe on-the-ground tracks of creatures show at a closer distance - but you can sniff the tracks from further away than you can actually see them (using the directional indicator)

so it would take a little more time to precisely triangulate the location of tracks but you have a general idea thru the top dir. indicator

[limber hull]

Surprisingly, I think the new one is less visual clutter than the old one. Didn't like the old one because I didn't like seeing massive lakes in my view. New one is just particles

[lucid mauve]

lol never knew we had that when we sniff in legacy,but why would you need it? Atleast when you know the map

[fallen path]

What do you guys think of mercs being able to use submarines?

[lucid mauve]

love it😎

if dinos water dinos can destroy it;)

[limber hull]

Don't see much functional use for it, like at all. Lakes and rivers are too shallow and the beach is almost entirely unoccupied. Might as well have a speed boat on the ocean

[fallen path]

Well the devs are going to add bigger lakes.

Atleast they said so

[limber hull]

Yea, but submarine-worthy lakes?

[fallen path]

They could be

[limber hull]

That's a DEEP fuckin' lake

[paper geyser]

you'd need straight sinkholes to justify a submarine

[fallen path]

Well imagine a plane crashes somewhere in a lake

Then you'd be able to look for the parts

And it would have a purpose

[limber hull]

The one place I've seen in the Isle where I could go "okay a sub would work here" was Titan Lake in v3

But that was a massive and deep as fuck lake containing interesting structures and a fucking colossus skeleton

Honestly, sub seems like generally more work than it's worth. Way too situational

You'd be better off adding scuba gear

[fallen path]

But that would be a bit dangerous

And a sub wouldnt have any weapons

[limber hull]

Isn't that the point of merc gameplay

[fallen path]

Just protection

[limber hull]

Dangerous

[fallen path]

It would already be a risk to go in a sub in a lake filled with crocodiles.

[lucid mauve]

add that thing we had in subnautica,you held in your hands : P

[limber hull]

Yea so why would you build a several thousand dollar piece of equipment that could be torn to bits by the prehistoric bastards in a second for a single lake?

[fallen path]

For parts that could help ALOT

[limber hull]

IDK man, scuba gear is more portable, affordable and not restricted to a lake. Also what parts are you going to find down there

[paper geyser]

sea scooter i can see working, not a submarine though

[fallen path]

Parts that could be useful for weapons, or to fix an heli or something.

[limber hull]

How did those parts end up in a lake

[fallen path]

Crash

[paper geyser]

you seem really stuck on the idea that there will be very specific parts for a very specific purpose in a lake and that that's enough to justify the implementation of a submarine

[limber hull]

Okay but in that scenario, again, preparing a submarine by a lake for the situation in which something crashes down there seems incredibly unrealistic

I cannot think of anything that would lead to the point where AE feels it necessary that they HAVE to set up a submarine base and submarine right next to this lake in the scenario a plane fucking eats shit and crashes directly into that exact lake

[paper geyser]

lore aside, if they're going to model, animate, and code in a submarine you'll need more than just "it can be used to get parts"

[limber hull]

Unless the lake had a Bermuda Triangle kind of deal going on

[fallen path]

Im just suggesting, but if you look at the idea like this. If you risk more you'll have a higher chance on getting more valuable things than looking on land or in safer locations.

[limber hull]

So why not add more portable aquatic gear? Like scuba gear.

[paper geyser]

but i thought the purpose of the submarine was to be protected from the aquatic dangers?

[limber hull]

In the situation where using the submarine is still risky, there is no justifiable reason for its existence outside of "submarine"

I'd prefer the concept of diving into the water from a boat in my scuba suit as I communicate to my mates on the surface via radio

Seems way more harrowing and scary

As well as thematically and functionally better for the game, since you can haul your scuba suit around to other rivers and other lakes to be reused

Scuba suit does not have the protection that a sub would grant, but it is more portable, arguably more useful and absolutely more lore friendly than a sub

[worn saddle]

To each their own, but I hate the new system.

[azure wadi]

@halcyon sail what

[lavish quail]

Good question

Please clarify what that means

[limber hull]

The question is clear

Have you added a new dino with a brain

The community has wanted to know

[lavish quail]

Wait-

No I still don’t get it

[low canopy]

pachy is a big brained dino

[lavish quail]

So is Utah tho-

Also what does that meannn

[jovial hazel]

[lucid mauve]

Yes, troodon. Was the smartest dino ever the experts says.

It was also not smarter then a chicken tho

[paper geyser]

we don't know that

the whole "troodon smart" thing is based on brain to body ratio, which has proven to be inaccurate

troodon was probably about as smart as any of its close relatives

[lucid mauve]

we dont know that either. Its also proven to be accurate.

[paper geyser]

it hasn't. Hummingbirds have some of the highest brain to body ratios in the animal kingdom and they're nowhere near as smart as we'd expect them to be.

the correct assumption in the absence of evidence for such a claim is that it wasn't significantly smarter than close relatives

[lucid mauve]

Maybe, thats why i said experts. I would rather listen to what they say, then some other guy on internet.

[paper geyser]

what experts have said that? Could you link a paper?

[lucid mauve]

Troodon had a large brain for its relatively small size and was probably among the smartest dinosaurs. Its brain is proportionally larger than those found in living reptiles, so the animal may have been as intelligent as modern birds, which are more similar in brain size.

thats from nation geographic

[paper geyser]

i know you can't, but regardless the fact is that EQ is not a reliable measure of an animal's intelligence

[lucid mauve]

i can link you

[paper geyser]

national geographic is not a reliable source

you also haven't named the experts that said it

[still raptor]

Get a peered reviewed article that proves your point roninjo

[lucid mauve]

Well i have found 20 articles in 5 min about them beeing smartest. Non that say they are not

[paper geyser]

oh, right, that's because they didn't. The natgeo page has no source and just says exactly what you did, something that can be disproven with a little research

[lucid mauve]

could you link where it says they are not ?

[paper geyser]

that's not how the burden of proof works lol

i've explained to you why troodon's EQ shouldn't be used to call it the smartest dinosaur and all you've managed to do is give me a sourceless natgeo page

[still raptor]

Are you using google scholar? Keep in mind, you might wanna find on thats been published in the last couple of years

Not some random “science” article on google

[lucid mauve]

exactly, bacuase according to most articles they are the smartest. Does that mean its a fact? No. But i found no source saying something else

[still raptor]

Link the articles

[paper geyser]

"most articles" just recite what they heard on other articles. They are not reliable sources

[lucid mauve]

could you show me a reliable source ?

[paper geyser]

no, because i'm not the one making a claim

[lucid mauve]

But who made the claim ? Since you know this

[still raptor]

Literally any peered reviewed article thats been published in the bast 2 or 3 years

[paper geyser]

if you mean a reliable source in general, then any published study would work

preferably peer reviewed

[lucid mauve]

Show me a source , to back up what you said from the start

[paper geyser]

that EQ isn't a reliable measure of intelligence?

or that troodon isn't the smartest dinosaur?

[lucid mauve]

the EQ. That troodons is not the smartest we dont know, but you can speculate that its beeing the smartest.

[paper geyser]

you can speculate but you'd be taken for a fool. I believe I've mistaken EQ for brain to body weight ratio, as most articles will probably be referring to the latter, but this paper talks about flaws in both and provides examples (notably shrews for brain to body weight ratio which aren't very intelligent, and blue whales for EQ which are very intelligent). It's also worth noting that EQ is more reliable when used with mammals.

Headings Encephalization Quotient and Ratio between Brain Size and Body Size
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3207484/

[crude girder]

Bird, and therefore dinosaur, brains are just put together differently, so yeah what works on mammals doesn’t work in other animals groups as well

[lucid mauve]

Conclusion
The preponderance of evidence shows that absolute brain size, relative brain size, or the different regions of the brain, such as cerebral cortex, cortical thickness, frontal and parietal regions, or cerebellum, are all positively correlated with intelligence.

and i like how the sources they use are like 20 years old stuff

[paper geyser]

i like how you skimmed the entire article and ignored all the parts where they said both methods had flaws just to further your point

i've provided a source and don't think any further discussion is necessary, good day

[lucid mauve]

They have your points in there aswell, but you said it was a fact. And i couldt find it

[azure wadi]

Has that person explained what they meant yet?

Wait, they just deleted their “suggestion”

[wanton hull]

I pretty sure this discord channel has a below average brain to body ratio. People cant read

[karmic plank]

I'll have you know my brain to body ratio is well above average. Pity it's also as smooth as a half-sucked gobstopper tho

[wanton hull]

Same

[barren zephyr]

When did the filipe stream happened ?

[lavish quail]

@steep warren lmao game wants to stay pg 16 not pg18

[steep warren]

i mean u can still have Russian rullet with pg 16

[lavish quail]

it would have to be some cheap ass russian roulette XD

[paper geyser]

since when?

[hoary dawn]

who said

[valid elk]

@carmine bridge I already suggested this, but also talked about WAIR and RPR

[carmine bridge]

ohhh okk! srry ill delete it : D

[valid elk]

No, no, it's fine, I just wanna let you know you gotta make it more in depth.

Instead of something like "This looks cool, do it", perhaps you should go "I think this would add onto the game, perhaps you should look into something like blah blah blah", ya know?

[carmine bridge]

oh, yeah got it

[olive coral]

I feel these are excellent suggestions. One thing to add would be that the ponds (and swamp) could have a very mild (possibly cumulative) negative health affect for land based dinos, but there could be small springs placed sporadically through the landscape that would have a boost and as well as the mineral deposits in caves, be a cure for sickness. They could add a 50% boost to curing sickness.

[paper oriole]

Why do some people want dinosaur shit so badly

[sacred moat]

i really dont see the point of it

people will just use it as a trolling method

[paper oriole]

It can be achieved by other means that arent abusable by gross RPers

[sacred moat]

literally

[barren zephyr]

“Immersive gameplay”

this is not a waste of several thousand dollars, not at all

[modest wind]

@olive coral if you uphold your diet you are going grow faster

[hoary dawn]

new dinos are gonna come much faster once all the core mechanics are in

[odd sedge]

I have seen it all.
From people suggesting shit just to troll as a Ptera, playing city-pigeon simulator, all the way to people wanting pee to piss into a river other dinosaurs are drinking from

[feral solstice]

^

[feral solstice]

^

[hoary dawn]

^

[barren zephyr]

^

^

[feral solstice]

People also need to realize that more dinos does not mean more fun.
Diets done right will give us a gameplay loop that makes us less bored, whether there’s less Dino’s than legacy or not

[marble nexus]

i understand you, butt we need mechanics but we need dinos too its not like we have 20 dinos on the game right now, so i dont want it to be a legacy i want the diet system and everything, but what im trying to say is like, when they are adding pachy fracture and diet: the should do 1-pachy 2- fracture 3- diet, and for example 1-trodon 2-night vision 3-venom, like in a update put the dino as priority

[paper geyser]

the playable will come either way, people are just impatient. Add the playable first and people will ask for the mechanics first

[marble nexus]

no, like idk probably i guess its not going to be add everything at once

yeah like before the update 3 was deino and sucho if im not wrong

not before venom, but finish the dino and after it finish the venom and add them together

[paper geyser]

there's that too. These updates have their playables as flagships, to show off and encourage use of the new mechanics. What's pachy without fractures? Troodon without venom?

[marble nexus]

cuz dino takes long and if the venow its working but the dinos its crashed and lagging

[jovial hazel]

I don't understand. If dinos are more important why not just play Legacy? Plenty of dinos.

[lucid mauve]

Well it is slow progress, but we cant argue they are delivering quality

[marble nexus]

thats not what im saying

[jovial hazel]

"i know you guys are working hard to the new dinos look perfect and be perfect but dinos are more important sometimes( that's my opinion no need to anyone to be upset)."

So you're either saying dinos are more important, Play Legacy. Or you're agreeing that mechanics are more important, Be Patient.

[marble nexus]

are you dumb?

[jovial hazel]

Probably.

[marble nexus]

lol im saying mechanic is important but dinos are too

they are important but dinos are more like whats fracture without pachy?

[lucid mauve]

I think they need to add the core stuff first, then it might go faster

[paper geyser]

and what's pachy without fractures? You're not making any sense

[marble nexus]

im not trying to make no one upset so pls dont be angry at me, its just a alert

[jovial hazel]

No one is trying to make you upset. I just think what you're saying basically goes against the core concept of Evrima. Mechanics first. Polish first. Roster can wait.

[lucid mauve]

eyh im having fun with legacy still : P i cant even join the server cus its always full : P

[jovial hazel]

Maybe not polish first. But making sure the dinos are unique and mechanically fun.

[marble nexus]

ik i just dont want no one angry at me

ik

[lucid mauve]

Yea i know : P I need breaks when ive been playing for awhile

[marble nexus]

ik lol im just afraid to be ban or to someone to be angry at me

[paper oriole]

Honestly its not that easy to get banned here

[marble nexus]

ok lol thanks

[paper oriole]

Oh people do get aggressive and angry in islecord but if you run in to it dont take it personally lol

[lucid mauve]

i need to to get a unpopular opinion out, i learned today ark has 40 employes. And the isle has 19. But it does not have 0.1% of what ark has in game.

[paper oriole]

Ark is also bugged af

Bugged worse than isle

It randomly deletes entire bases ive made

[lucid mauve]

Yes, quality is good

Yea, i hate carno utah and the croc. Not my style. But i totally get why people like them

[paper oriole]

The dinos also look better than ark dinos for the most part

[lucid mauve]

thats why i need more dinos lol

i lost my rex today in legacy, to utahs : D it was a good fight. They simply outplayed me

Yea, i would rather die to utahs then other apexes. Its just bite bite

ohh for sure : P You can feel the potential when you join

Yea, i just hope they stick to their plan for now. And later they can add more cool stuff : P

Joshi what was ur fav in legacy ? : D

[dense meteor]

So they are adding a diet system which seems to benefit mostly herbs because of all the different plants are they going to add different ai or kinda sorta like a grazing system not saying the same exact grazing system as a herb but something to mix up what the carnis can also eat?

[paper oriole]

Carni diets just wont be as strict supposedly

If anything itll probably be easier for them to upkeep it as long as they can feed themselves

[lucid mauve]

I hope the food/diet thing will make less of bigger groups/mixpacking etc

[paper oriole]

All they have to do is go to the biomes of their preferred targets and find them while they all look for the like 1 or 2 melons that spawned for them. At least as far as i can tell so far

[lucid mauve]

then you had alot of fun with all those dinos : D

[hoary dawn]

pachy needs fracture to be able to function properly, the mechanic has to come first

[silent current]

Give me thoughts on the learning plants idea I think it’d make things easier as Filipe did say they have some plants programmed to not spawn on grass or to spawn near water it felt like it’d be helpful mites to find said plants and eventually gain enough knowledge where your Dino can recognize them

@dense meteor nice idea

Honestly I got the idea similar to how in ancestors: h o you have to discover new things by inspecting them

Maybe an inspecting mechanic would be cool

And each time you encounter it again you can inspect it and gain more information on it

[bright bay]

I thought someting similar: All the smell of plants are the same until you try eating it, then its changed to a specific smell. Its like you've leraned that scent, then you can now scent this plant always

[silent current]

Yeah they could have something like that planned for the perk system as well but we’ll see

[hybrid matrix]

"Mild constipation"

[paper oriole]

“Mild diarrhea”
“Pee on the floor”

And to think these suggestions might actually happen. Yikes

[worn saddle]

Am I the only person who thinks that Evrima hurt screen is inferior to Legacy Hurt screen?

Legacy screen looks more realistic and eye pleasing, to be honest…

[paper oriole]

Sometimes your whole screen is bloody like legacy 3 screen and then when you check your hp its at like 80% so yeah

[silent current]

just my opinion, but i didn't like legacy's i find evrima easier on the eyes

@boreal patio that belongs in bug reports

[worn saddle]

Didn’t the game mod say that it is a possibility at some point? I might be wrong though

[paper oriole]

There was a dev talking about diarrhea

I hope its all just some sick elaborate trolling

[silent current]

Nope it's real..

[paper oriole]

I can understand like general dino body odor that builds up if players dont take care of their dinos right but we dont need shit

[silent current]

It won't be super detailed though or even a visual effect its quite literally a debuff

Its if you eat something bad and you get diarrhea from it and get dehydrated and such

[paper oriole]

If its voluntary it will be used by cringe fetish RPers and trolls, if it’s involuntary then rng can just screw you over while youre trying to be stealthy in a tense situation

Dinos already have vomiting i honestly dont see the point

Vomiting also expels a lot of water

[paper oriole]

Yeah i saw that

Its a yikes

[paper oriole]

I remember when people could get muted for talking about shit now the devs want diarrhea in the game for what ever stupid reason

[worn saddle]

I mean, we have vomit already… and if the devs are going to add a variety of illnesses for your Dino, diarrhoea seems like an option

[silent current]

Imagine people thinking dying to deino is lame and you die from diarrhea XD

[paper oriole]

Wowee i cant wait to die of dysentery for eating the wrong plant

[worn saddle]

Realism, I guess

[paper oriole]

Yeah realism is an awful reasoning

[worn saddle]

Idk who came up with diarrhoea, tbh

[silent current]

Well I mean if they add in something like deathcaps aka super poisonous mushrooms than yeah

[paper oriole]

Lightning can hit you and end you irl. You can get bitten by a tick and get some fucked up disease irl. A lot of shitty things happen irl that dont need to be in game

[silent current]

Shitty heheh..

[paper oriole]

Dammit

[worn saddle]

nO

[silent current]

Sorry had to Xd

[worn saddle]

Eh, I would prefer to have uncontrollable vomiting instead of diarrhoea

But

What about animals like brontos that simply cannot vomit

[paper oriole]

In game yeah id def prefer that

[worn saddle]

Do they just die like horses?

[silent current]

I mean the way I see it is they want it to be called diarrhea but it's just a debuff on your dino and doesn't have any visuals

[worn saddle]

I hope so

[silent current]

I mean they'd have to add buttholes to dinos again..

[worn saddle]

They had buttholes????

[silent current]

Anky and stego have em in legacy...

[paper oriole]

God imagine them stalling development on actually useful features just to add cloacas to dinosaur models

How about no

[worn saddle]

Ah… haven’t played them

[silent current]

I had the isle before evrima soo I got to see it

[worn saddle]

Imagine vomiting at a smaller Dino and fucking killing it

[silent current]

would be fun actually

[paper oriole]

Honestly yes please

It would make it worth it

Just fucking kill some whole utah pack chilling on a rock at once

[silent current]

a giant necc dino would be fun if I could projectile vomit on command

[gritty rapids]

anyone been having trouble on utahs letting go of pounce even tho having stam? like ill have half stam and then my utah just stops

[paper oriole]

I dont play utah so idk maybe jts another terrain bug lol

Like how utahs just detach in ankle deep water but with something else

[golden iron]

@calm oyster you mean the beta?

[calm oyster]

?

[golden iron]

what do you mean

[calm oyster]

I never said anything about beta.

[golden iron]

then what new dinosaurs

[calm oyster]

I’m asking about how to get a new dinosaurs I know it has something to do with the Discord

But I never figured it out

[golden iron]

why are you asking that in the feedback channel

[paper oriole]

Oh thats a private server thing

[calm oyster]

I thought I would get feedback on my question

[paper oriole]

You cant buy dinos on officials

[calm oyster]

Oh.

[paper oriole]

Go to the server you were playing on and grab their discord server link

Most of them have it listed i think

[calm oyster]

I’m playing a game right now quite a few Admins.

[paper oriole]

You can probably get a discord link from one of them

[calm oyster]

What will that do.

Can I figure out how to get a new dinosaurs in the game from there?

[paper oriole]

You can go on their discord server and see what points system they use to buy dinos

Assuming you mean injections

[calm oyster]

Well they stay in my game forever?

Permanently saved.

[paper oriole]

Well until you die yeah

Or unless they do a server wipe

[calm oyster]

Oh just a quick question do they sometimes involve money?

[paper oriole]

Some servers do

[calm oyster]

Like they sometimes have to do money for it

That is unfair

[paper oriole]

But in almost all cases they use online currency like in bots

Or tracked points from events and activity

[calm oyster]

What was the online currency even be how would you get points and a dinosaur game?!

[paper oriole]

If you go to a server that wants money for injections they arent worth sticking around with

[calm oyster]

That was a massive typo

[paper oriole]

Some servers use bots that give points and you can spend points

It varies

[calm oyster]

Ok ok

[paper oriole]

They usually have info about their currency systems in their discord servers

[calm oyster]

Well thank you for the feedback🙂

[paper oriole]

Np

[calm oyster]

Well I better go off on my dinosaur dies of dehydration

Man what is it with these typos

UGH

[quasi stream]

@turbid hinge That is why a stress test is coming. They'll see if the game is playable with diets and make any changes. Felipe said he's going to tweak things to make the diets playable.

[ebon girder]

@lyric island just scavenge as ptera

[lyric island]

Yeah, because everyone is just gonna let me get a taste of their meal.

[paper oriole]

With how much carnis need to eat rn scavenging has become less viable of an option too than it used to be

Dryo ai seems more common now tho im sure a ptera can kill a dryo lol

[hoary dawn]

fish are not impossible to find

[meager tiger]

How do the diets work. Do I just eat bushes and hope I ate the right one

[hoary dawn]

what

[meager tiger]

The dev did a sneak peak stream

What was diets like

[hoary dawn]

looked like your character tab tells you what biomes your preferred food spawns in and then you go find it

[meager tiger]

Ohh

Is there a map now

[hoary dawn]

not from what i've seen

[meager tiger]

Or a biome name thing you can look at like Minecraft f3

[hoary dawn]

you can tell by looking at your surroundings

like if it says coastal you know you have to go to a beach

[meager tiger]

Oh it's simple biomes

[dense meteor]

The audio is all sorts of weird for me, I'll be drinking and then for some reason it randomly increases in noise level splashes around like somethings pouncing out of the water but it sounds like it's behind me, only happens when I'm a carno, also noise like foot steps and running through the forest it doesn't sound like my footsteps almost like someone's following me, freaks me out sometimes, and then the random grunts are so loud and it happens at the worst time when I'm trying to listen for a dryo or something else

[lyric island]

That has happened once, and it took my group a long time to kill it. It’s like killing an Ava as a juvi utah in legacy

[lyric island]

I’ve been playing for 4 days in a row and have only found ripples once.

[dense meteor]

There's 1 spot all the way in the corner of the map it's a huge waterfall I've only found fish there and there an abundant of fish there I keep my pt there now cause I can't find fish anywhere else

[lyric island]

Thank you for the tip. I appreciate you

[dense meteor]

Np it's like 2 water falls and above it is a unique rock formation idk the location but if you search the whole river you'll eventually find it

[hoary dawn]

idk what to tell you, i always find ripples when i play

[meager tiger]

So there's only like 5 basic biomes I'm guessing. Swamp, river, coast, plains, jungle?

[hoary dawn]

no idea

[dense meteor]

Rn it only feels like 2 jungle and plains

[bright bay]

They gonna add arid

[lyric island]

When was the last time you played pteranodon

[honest sparrow]

He played Ptera with me and a few friends a couple days ago

[vast wolf]

the issue is that its rng dependant, some days you can cross a large portion of the map and not find any small fish as ptera, other times you cant starve unless you try.

[paper oriole]

imagine getting punished by rng for trying to heal bleed

yikes

[vast wolf]

^

also anything that induces nausea in a player is a fat no in a game.

[paper oriole]

also imagine enabling trolls to just run up to other people and get them sick

[vast wolf]

^

[paper oriole]

just because something makes the game more challenging doesnt automatically make it good

[vast wolf]

also diarrhea wont happen in game even with the shit mechanic as there wont be shit animations.

[paper oriole]

we could add random planes that crash into dinosaurs at random, that makes things more challenging right?

didnt one of the devs talk about diarrhea, i hope it never actually makes it in

or at least can be disabled

sickness from eating rotten food = ok
infected wounds = ok but not the bullshit thats in the suggestion

how annoying would it be to get punished for healing bleed

adding dinos who deal so much bleed, you have to wallow after a fight or die, and then the game just says fuck you you're infected now

[bright bay]

Maybe a low probability of being sick on mud

[vast wolf]

infection being a health lock of some kind and if untreated can cause ill effects like loss of mobility if its in the leg as long as its NOT rng depenadnt.

[paper oriole]

no

[vast wolf]

worse

[hoary dawn]

couple days ago

[paper oriole]

infected wounds coming from nasty scavengers who have a bonus from eating rotten meat would be neat

not some rng crap

[bright bay]

Thats nice

[paper oriole]

especially something punishing you for healing bleed

[hoary dawn]

up the

[vast wolf]

^ cerato, compy, rugops.

[bright bay]

Cerato is planed to be a rotten eater

[paper oriole]

yeah cerato and compy and probably still ptera idk

doubt ptera would do shit

maybe rugops can do it

[vast wolf]

if your punished like that for wallowing you have to pick between bleeding out or getting fucked by a random infection.

ptera should not because it can attack in the air and is already a pest.

if rugops ends up being a scavenger.

[paper oriole]

if you decide to fuck with some slower defensive corpse bully you are choosing to take the risk of infection for a fight and that is fine

man i want rugops to be utterly disgusting

[vast wolf]

^

turkey vulture but on the ground.

[bright bay]

I guess its realistic... You may wallow only in critical circunstances

[paper oriole]

yeah just make him so gross you dont even wanna be near him

realism doesnt equal good for gameplay

[vast wolf]

saurian moment

[paper oriole]

irl animals can trip and break their leg on a tiny dent in the ground and never heal and die a slow agonizing death, should we add this?

[vast wolf]

^ old old legacy bonebreak system and one of the major reasons they are changing it.

[paper oriole]

lmao i remember healing up from a 2ft drop as an alo, standing up, taking one z walk step and breaking my leg again

[vast wolf]

cerato still does that in legacy now just at least you dont get air time from poor teraforming.

[paper oriole]

occasionally irl a bone perforates your intestines and you die an unavoidable agonizing death, we should have this in game because it is realistic

maybe we should have lightnign sometimes strike your 10hr growth brachi and you die

[vast wolf]

if you get hit by an anky you slowly die of starvation because it shattered your entire leg or your jaw. (not fun but realistic)

[hybrid matrix]

I mean
Ur fault for messing with an armadillo on steroids and meth

[vast wolf]

roided out armadillo with a club

[tawny juniper]

anky is heavy defense, weak offense

[hybrid matrix]

If u wanna fight an anky go right ahead but ur gonna get fucked by that tail harder than the US government will fuck gen z

[tawny juniper]

if you get fucked up by one its cuz you fucked with it, not because it fucked with you

[vast wolf]

anky dosent have a weak offence its just almost immobile.

[hybrid matrix]

Thats what separates ankylosaurus from the US government

[tawny juniper]

yes

[hybrid matrix]

As the IRS, i can confirm this without the need for a secondary source

[vast wolf]

[hybrid matrix]

But i could call my good buddy the FBI

[swift dew]

[last lily]

Agree with Zo, 100 and 10%. Juvi's in general could use some balance retweaks so that the game's in general more fun and dynamic as you play.

[fickle jacinth]

If you enjoyed my comment and suggestion . thumbs up and like

[karmic plank]

I almost got a stroke reading it

[safe galleon]

I didn’t understand half of it

[karmic plank]

Like I don't want to be mean for poor english

But it's a genuine struggle working out what you want

[safe galleon]

We’re going to get feathers for dinosaurs that would’ve had them irl

It’ll be optional

[karmic plank]

I think it's "feathers please, and invasive AI?"

[safe galleon]

And there’s not really any use for crocodiles when a young deino is literally the same thing

[karmic plank]

But like the first quarter is a rant against feathers then the next quarter is a rant for feathers

[manic flint]

I had a stroke trying to read that

[paper oriole]

Feathered carnotaurus…

[static niche]

weirdly put suggestion but ok.

[fickle jacinth]

I like video game such ark survival and the isle with feathers dinosaur become cool,.. very good and they are awesome addition makes it an enjoyable time and place to be, crocodiles are also because they add water reptile to the videogame, very cool.

[paper oriole]

Ark dinosaurs are ugly as fuck

[safe galleon]

Very cool

[paper oriole]

Feather options for some dinos are planned anyway

Plus we have multiple dinos who are default with feathers already modeled

[fickle jacinth]

ok, no need to be mean to videogame competition

[safe galleon]

Nah fuck ark

[manic flint]

I like ark but I got to agree most of the designs are absolute garbage

[paper oriole]

I hope the feathered utah option has fixed wrists and doesnt look like ark or jp

No sleeve feathers

[sacred moat]

feathered carno looks a alittle cursed based off some of the images ive seen of it

[paper oriole]

Dont we have skin impressions of carno that disprove feathering too

[sacred moat]

yeah

[fickle jacinth]

I hope very much utahraptor has feather like coating of ark survival evolved

[safe galleon]

No it’ll be better

[fickle jacinth]

in game already, nearly identical, so feather mohawk hair fit

[paper oriole]

Ah hell naw

Give utah good feathering

Not ark sht

[fickle jacinth]

I like feathers

[paper oriole]

Better than ark

[sacred moat]

ark feathers make me have BOB ptsd

[karmic grove]

I agree with what was stated previously, the deino is basically an oversized saltwater crocodile so there would be no need for it to be included into the game.

[vale pawn]

[paper oriole]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480390528729091/686802169487425536/look_at_those_chickens.png

[sacred moat]

i think deino should still be in the game?

it being an oversized croc doesnt really give reason as to why it shouldnt be in the game

[fickle jacinth]

What? this is art video not videogame

[karmic grove]

Right, I meant the saltwater crocodile shouldn’t be added lol 😆

[paper oriole]

Why would you want this

[sacred moat]

I like the concept of deino, I just H A T E the amount of deinos

[sacred moat]

LMFAO

[sacred moat]

also this is considered concept art

[fickle jacinth]

I like that. very cool and awesome dinosaur

[paper oriole]

[karmic plank]

Easy, make them need way more food when growing and way less when FG

[fickle jacinth]

Ok, I don't think that because it has different body, not just feather you have to proove that it is that thing..

[karmic plank]

Half the reason there's so many deino is they are stupid easy to grow

Cannibals aside

You can get to 75% on like 3 fish? Maybe 4?

[sacred moat]

I fully support deino cannibalism and killing for sport amoungst them

[paper oriole]

Glad deinos are excluded from diets so they can continue to devour their own

[fickle jacinth]

people cannibal because nothing else fun to do in game

[sacred moat]

i mean

[karmic plank]

Deino are the garbage disposal system for the rivers

[sacred moat]

theres nothing really to do as a deino

like

its just a giant gator

[karmic plank]

Let them eat anything vaguely made of meat

Just... Not 8 tons per hour

[karmic grove]

I think it just depends on the game style you prefer to play.

[paper oriole]

1.8tons per sitting is a good fill amount for deino imo

About 20% of their weight

[karmic plank]

This

[fickle jacinth]

only fun to game is kill things, and easy to kill young versions of species than to ambush stegosaurus who sit behind at water and kill me and other crocodile

[barren zephyr]

Is uh. Is this satire ?

[karmic plank]

And I think deino should be the one Dino to use less food when idle

[sacred moat]

why?

[karmic plank]

Since their whole meta is afk in river until something can be lunged

[fickle jacinth]

it's a not a dino

and all should have that

[sacred moat]

oh wait i read that wrong

[paper oriole]

No

[fickle jacinth]

to prevent awaying from your computer

[paper oriole]

Reducing hunger drain while idle would ENCOURAGE afk what are you saying

[karmic plank]

Reworded

[sacred moat]

t h i s

[hoary dawn]

holy shit that feedback is glorious

[karmic plank]

Yes, but that is literally what deino are meant to do lol

Find a good spot and wait for someone to drink there

They can't hunt like normal carnivores

[paper oriole]

Yeah deino is excluded from diets too i could see it being balanced around the fact itll be lounging around waiting a lot as well

[sacred moat]

okay im a little conflicted when it comes to deino tbh

[paper oriole]

But for other dinos hell na

[fickle jacinth]

what? if they hungry more they die and then lose points for dying and not being alive. they dead. and then nobody do that anymore

[karmic plank]

Yeah deino only. Everyone else is supposed to work for their supper

[karmic grove]

[paper oriole]

They wouldnt be hungry more theyd have slower drain for AFKing idk how you think that would be a good thing for terrestrial animals fully capable of traveling the map

[karmic plank]

IRL crocs will sit in one spot for a month waiting for a meal

[sacred moat]

like at the end of the day, its a giant gator. and gators can go a while between meals. Plus their whole gameplay is just sitting still untill something edible comes around to drink. BUT any feature that promotes afking is just boring

[karmic plank]

Like not exactly riveting gameplay but

[fickle jacinth]

more boring feature to add to stale game with no loop

thats not very fun

[karmic plank]

The alternative is making them AI farmers

Or making some entirely separate water-based ecosystem for them to hunt in... Which isn't happening any time soon

[sacred moat]

my problem with deino AI is that spinos and rexes would just see them as food

like the AI in the isle is not complex in the slightest