general-feedback-discussion

[hoary dawn]

if you hold the brake too long you stop moving, if you stop moving you fall

that is how flying works

[barren zephyr]

my goodness this rubberbanding and lag is quite the issue (my fps and and ping are fine)

[mystic falcon]

I recommend not playing till the devs sort it. It’s a game issue and the only way it’s gonna be fixed is via patch

[open current]

hey all, figured i’d ask here, is there anyway to get the same sensitivity you use on evrima

[sullen cipher]

Guys, the new update is horrible

For the deino this is encouraging cannibalisme.

[vale pawn]

[hasty dagger]

Deino is supposed to be a cannibal

Even when diets come cannibalism will A OK for Deino

[hoary dawn]

the animal with no natural predators

[sullen cipher]

Its supposed in your dream. The Deino is the ancestor of crocodile of today, and when you watch documentary crocodile rarely attack their own species.

[feral solstice]

Uh

[hoary dawn]

alligators cannibalize fairly often what you on about

[feral solstice]

Idk what documentary you just watched

But barely any crocodiles survive in the wild due to cannibalism

I’ve watched a ton of documentaries my friend

[hoary dawn]

they dont live on eachother but they sure as hell aint opposed to it

[lavish quail]

anyone got any cool ideas

[mystic falcon]

When people insist that crocs are notorious cannibals, they are also known for being notoriously chill in big groups! I took this photo in Costa Rica. We were driving on the highway and pulled over to look over the bridge. These were just a few I got in one photo. In total, there were probably 30 that we could see... Imagine the chaos if you threw a shank of meat down there!

[lavish quail]

crocs are great

they only eat eachother if another 1 dies

cause ez food

and their lazy af

im also lazy af

[hoary dawn]

its not too too common that they cannibalize, but it is something they do

and even if they didn't, deino cannibalizing in-game is good, since its the only thing that can control deino populations

[lavish quail]

yeah but its also gay.

[hoary dawn]

how

[zinc anvil]

normally if you small croc you get eaten

[zinc anvil]

if you think its bad then this game is not for you

[hasty dagger]

Oh boo hoo my mega croc with virtually no enemies I can’t escape from has a single predator

[swift dew]

keep in mind that the cannibalism debuffs only incur if you eat your own kind, not if you just kill them. so even if deino did get cannibalism debuffs there would still be a ton of "cannibals"

[hoary dawn]

deino literally has no natural predators, nothing to regulate their population. and they wont have until things like spino come.

and even then a spino and deino 1v1 would be in favor of the deino if it takes place in water

[hoary dawn]

doesn't matter if I'm hungry

[light spruce]

This might not belong here, but are there any plans to make a singleplayer game mode/campaign? It feels like that most balancing and development issues come from the fact that the game is massively centered around multiplayer/pvp gameplay.
Although most of the playerbase seems to enjoy the game as it is currently, to me this game or rather its survival mode, even though it is beautifully designed in terms of its visuals, models and sounds, is mostly tedious and not very engaging. A singleplayer story mode with different objectives could be really interesting.

[swift dew]

no plans that have been shared afaik, but there is nothing that says it won't be a thing

also ask in #isle-discussion next time 👍

[lavish quail]

i mean rexes are also gay

and utah mains

on legacy

[hoary dawn]

many homosexuals

[zinc anvil]

you shouldn't really use that word to describe it....

[lavish quail]

are you gay?

[swift dew]

[lavish quail]

cause if so then i understand it offending you

[hoary dawn]

oh boy

[zinc anvil]

im not but its not the right place for it

[lavish quail]

ehhhh

fine if its that offensive ill describe it differently.

[feral solstice]

r/foundtheyoungredditor

[hoary dawn]

dont need to describe it, just need to explain why you feel it is "gay"

[light spruce]

@swift dew Given that they're setting up a lot speculative lore bits here and there, I would really hope that it goes somewhere, rather than just having it there to set up the atmosphere of their setting.

[lavish quail]

its like getting canni'd as a rex

6h of your time spent

and then boom first hit wins

[hoary dawn]

that is the risk of playing an apex

also legacy

[light spruce]

also, will do. Thanks.

[hoary dawn]

apexes in general are like that, you commit the time to growing it but you also have to be able to defend it

[lavish quail]

defending it is always so toxic tbh

[hoary dawn]

how tho

[lavish quail]

1 deino

another approaches

then boom

you attack so you dont die

[hoary dawn]

yes

and

[lavish quail]

and then people hate you for being kinda tight

[hoary dawn]

im not getting what the problem with deino cannibalism is from this

you get killed in a pvp survival game

[lavish quail]

its tight and no one likes it

[lavish quail]

no one plays it to die tho do they?

[hoary dawn]

they do not, they play it to kill

and if you get killed by them that's just how the game be

[crude girder]

Well I mean eventually elders and their “schmememe” might change that

[hoary dawn]

dying in a game isn't supposed to be fun

[crude girder]

In regards to playing with the goal of dying

[hoary dawn]

with elder its a bit different

[lavish quail]

elder is a meh exchange

[hoary dawn]

if you're trying to complete elder living is much more important, cuz if you die prematurely you lose the opportunity to reap the rewards

[feral solstice]

The people complaining in the general feedback are prob in outdated servers

[hoary dawn]

idk if they'll ever be able to fully fix lag

[lavish quail]

never

its a good game

[sturdy widget]

Yeah the patch the most recent announcement is referring to hasn't even dropped yet, they gotta wait to complain until officials are back up

[barren zephyr]

The problem I have, is that Minmi isn't attack-based.
It doesn't need to rely on a proper head, or a more sharper/ankylosaurid tail to be viable.
It has multiple defence strategies, such as burrowing or even water.

[kindred flare]

@half mirage the 1.5 is the bite force, the tail swing can one shot a baby carno as a baby steg

[quartz kiln]

imagine playing a survival game only to not want to survive

[half mirage]

They should then add another stat for the tail. Because really who bites things as a stego? 😂

[kindred flare]

No idea

[kindred flare]

?

[hasty dagger]

Just as a heads up before people make Utah feedback, I wouldn’t worry about solo Utah play right now because of the lack of small prey as it’s shifted towards being a large game pack hunter, we’re getting a variety of ambient AI with U4 and it’s prey options will only expand as more small creatures are added.

[wraith ibex]

it still shouldn't only have 450 health

[kindred flare]

It should. It's tiny. Not a tank

[wraith ibex]

It is not tiny lmfao

its the largest dromaesaur

[kindred flare]

Just dont run at a fully grown tenonto and you'll live

[wraith ibex]

idk how to spell it properly

dude

it still should do more than 55 damage at least

[kindred flare]

Dromaesaur is still small compared to everything aside from dryo and hupsi

[wraith ibex]

now people will only play carno

[hasty dagger]

If this was a real Utahraptor I could see the argument, but both balance wise and even visually, it made no sense our Utah was doing the things it did.

[wraith ibex]

and i fucking hate that

[hasty dagger]

Our Utah is scrawny af

[wraith ibex]

carno was buffed already

why nerf utah to the point where it can't defend itself at all?

It can't out run a carno

[kindred flare]

Our "utah" is way too skinny to be having 1000 hp

[wraith ibex]

sure out turn but they catch up quicker than you think

[kindred flare]

Out maneuver it then

[wraith ibex]

I literally said that

[hasty dagger]

It’s way more agile and mobile than a carno, use that

[wraith ibex]

i tried it once

died

the carnos still caught me

[hasty dagger]

Skill issue

[barren zephyr]

Visit balance feedback for the discussion
It's been done already in depth so far

[wraith ibex]

now i can't even defend myself

[kindred flare]

You can use alternative bites and your jump to quite easily grt away. If you get caught by a carno that's on you, if you see one you should already be wary of it

[hasty dagger]

And if a carno gets you, good on it for doing so, it was able to outplay your agility with it’s own speed and didn’t allow you to use the environment

[warped fog]

utahraptor can easily escape any dino in the trees, though I do admit it's underpowered in its current setting as there aren't enough small dinos to give it a use
It seems that the direction the devs want to take utahraptor is a small game specialist, as it's the most agile and has access to the pin attack
I think there'll be a small carnivore that will replace the big game hunter niche that was just taken from utah for the most part (dilo, troodon perhaps?) and utahraptor in turn will complete the rock paper scissors trade, by being able to pin down the other small carnivores for a clean kill

[hasty dagger]

Mhm, it’ll have a much easier time next update with small creatures for it to hunt being added in. It still can hunt big game with it’s pounce (bleed value has been confirmed to be buffed soon), but a lot more patience and timing is required now.

Utah is no longer the easy starter dino, the skill cap is being raised dramatically

Which it will be

Ambient AI assumedly being a large part of its prey volume (solo atleast) means it won’t see much action if you don’t want to see it.

[warped fog]

of course, any dino can hunt outside of its niche, deino can kill on land, carno can use brute strength etc
but what I mean is it'll be more favourable for utah to hunt creatures near its size, and other small carnivores will favour big creature hunting, and will in turn be vulnerable to utahraptors. A perfect rock->paper->scissors situation, just that on rare occassions it goes the other way around

[hasty dagger]

Overall I’m not too worried about it, people seem to be thinking about the now instead of the near future

[warped fog]

Exactly, I predict that as soon as the small carnivores I mentioned are released, there'll be these people:
"Thank God, utahraptor actually has good prey!"
"[Insert small carnivore] is underpowered! I can't survive 30 minutes without a &$%#ing utah pouncing me!"
"[Insert small carnivore] is overpowered! A stego/deino shouldn't die to things so small!"

[cyan flame]

Why would you replace utah as the large game hunter?

[hasty dagger]

Not so much replace as make something more effective at doing so

Utah can hunt big game but it’s a lot harder now and requires a lot more patience + skill

Which isn’t a bad thing

[cyan flame]

Ah, but utah still has one of the best mechanics for hunting large prey I think.

Compared to what else another predator could do

[warped fog]

^^exactly what chip said, simply making room for other small carnivores to take that niche

[barren zephyr]

as a disgusting, sweaty Utah main currently, I’m not sure how I feel about Utah atm

[hasty dagger]

That same mechanic is also very versatile and good for small hunting, Utah can choose what it wants to do based on player capability and numbers

[vale pawn]

🪱

[barren zephyr]

Like. I’m glad it needs to rely on its pounce more but kinda hard for solo play if anything

it’s a step in the right direction at least

[hasty dagger]

Solo play is a temporary problem, a lot more small prey is coming with the ambient AI in Update 4

As well as just additional dinos

[cyan flame]

I'm not sure there's any more effective small animal that should be hunting large things, barring dilos at night that could do it in smaller groups.

[warped fog]

Basically, pouncing is a strong flurry of attacks, but as it exhausts utahs, it'd be preferable to kill in one pounce. So utahraptor will have a niche in hunting prey near its size, but other small carnivores, say a troodon or dilophosaurus, will lack this ability, and instead have venom, encouraging hit and run tactics, giving them a proportionally better advantage against larger prey than smaller prey

[cyan flame]

And yes, utah pin vs small animals is a thing, but that's probably needed for solo hunting.

But then you'd only have dilos hunting at night. I think letting both utah and dilo hunt could work, with varying efficiency. And troodon for teno sized animals I guess. Where utahs could pin. So you have both daytime and nighttime hunters there.

[warped fog]

except that wouldn't be the case, as utahraptor would hard counter the other small carnivores

if the cards are right, dilo and troodon packs should be able to hunt any solo dino, but that's a big if. And any utahraptor would pin and slaughter them in a 1v1. That way, no dino is left out of this circle of balance and packs are highly encouraged for both parties

[cyan flame]

I dont think troodons should hunt anything bigger than teno or similar, no matter their numbers. They'll just get trampled. And I don't think Dilo is small enough to pin, honestly it's more likely dilo would brawl with utah than the other way around. But I don't know, they could do it that way obviously. I just think the pounce is so well suited for large game hunting, unlike any more dangerous interaction. And venom is.. well, it depends on what it does. And I'm not sure dilos should be another large game hunter, at least not like in legacy.

Not anymore you can't! :p Or is troodon that tiny?

Oh boy.. :p

So it's tiny then, and probably dies if looked at the wrong way xD

[warped fog]

of course there'll always be a threat of getting trampled, that's the art of playing any small carnivore, you're frail but can dodge attacks, and by using hit and run tactics, can slowly weaken and kill even large prey. Imagine a pack of komodo dragons or wolves, for example

Dilo is slightly larger than utah, at least in legacy, but has a very slim build, it looks like a swift breeze would fold it in half. I'd say it's reasonable that a utahraptor using gravity to force all of its weight on a slightly larger creature would put it on the ground, it's like a german shepherd pouncing a human.

Pounce can always be used to hunt big game, but such an all out attack would make it too risky to be as viable against large prey as, say simply running to its weak spots and biting (as evident by what we've seen in evrima already), and that attack style would likely be better utilised by venomers, but we'll have to see. I just doubt, after all this effort to give dinos different niches, the devs will just bunch all small carnivores in the same niche

[cyan flame]

True enough on the last sentence, though I have different ideas for some of them. I say we need one who is specialized in dealing with the unplesasant ones. Kentro, Pachy, Dilo, Troodon. Similar. Some carnivore that looks at these things most others would go "I'd rather not" to and say "Finally some good fucking food!". And even with agility, a troodon is just too tiny to hunt too large things. And from what I've heard, we might get a bigger, more powerful dilo. Depends on what they do with it of course, but both it and cerato might be getting slightly bigger than legacy at least. Or well, heavier and more powerful I guess, if not visually larger.

[cyan flame]

@tight lantern Bigger pic please! :p

[tight lantern]

Working on it. This is the second time today this has happened for me with tiny pics. Odd

[cyan flame]

No worries, I just want to better judge the size of that stego before I say something on it :p

[warped fog]

well ceratosaurus is meant to be a mid-tier, like carno and allo, so we can't really compare it to small tiers

Here's my prediction of favourable niches/matchups, for all small carnivores fighting larger ones, it should be a case of 'pack vs solo':

Utah: Anything slightly larger than it or smaller, as the pin attack is essentially a one shot for them in a 1v1 scenario, but against larger prey, although useful, puts the utah at risk of death and exhausts it before the prey dies

Troodon: Highly armoured and mid size dinos, such as kentro, minmi, allo and maybe even ankylo. Their small size allowing them to focus weakpoints and easily get close and escape even mid tiers, but due to their small size big dino hide highly resists their attacks, though with enough dedication could be worn down

Dilo: Large dinos that lack armour, being the largest of the small carnivores, but quite unagile compared to the others and very frail, dilo prefers to hunt less agile prey that can't hit them easily, where their venom can do what their small bodies can't. Their relatively poor agility and large bodies mean they can't focus tight weak spots of armoured, and must resort to general tail and ankle biting soft bodied prey

[tight lantern]

^ body in question. I was at around 30% hunger, ate the entire thing, and this is all it did to my hunger level. A body like this should fully feed an Allo lol

[pulsar lake]

Saw someone talking about the water in diet

[cyan flame]

Carno isn't really midtier, it's, just about there. As is cerato, even large cerato is not a proper midtier from what I know. And yeah, I get your outlook, I just disagree on how utah pounce works. Now that it's bleed, it's even better for attrition of large but slow animals.

And I really can not see troodon hunt anything beyond teno/carno maybe. Not an allo, not an anky, by any means. Even if they could get to weak spots, it'll just.. move forward and you do nothing. And minmi has been shown to be resistant so there is that.

[pulsar lake]

I greatly welcome different kind of water in animal alimentation

[cyan flame]

@warped fogI also believe it's a not that great idea to just look at sizes, but rather the animal. Hunting a kentro is not the same as hunting a pachy, which is not the same as hunting a galli. Same goes for every other size of animals. That's why I specified "difficult prey" for a small carnivore to hunt, it's not about size per say, but the type of prey. And we have rugops, mono, and probs some other smaller critters to find niches for too.

[cyan flame]

I don't know. It doesn't look that big to me honestly. Sure it should fill a utah, maybe even two, but not sure on it beyond that. I also do like the new idea of less food, more limited group numbers. It's a good thing if we can cut down on megapacks.

[tight lantern]

I'm just going by comparatively, the animal's stomach is not that large. If we're talking as if its entire torso was nothing but stomach, sure, but approximately 50-60kg of food should be plenty enough to fill an animal the size of a Utah's stomach. A late-juvie Steg weighs farrrr more than that.

[warped fog]

If you want my definition of the different size ranges for carnis, here:
Small: Velo-Dilo
Mid-tier Baryonyx-Allo
PseudoApex: Sucho-Acro (alberto is included, I just used sucho as currently it's smaller, but that might change)
Apex: Giga/Spino/Rex

Carno is a mid tier adapted for speed, at the cost of agility and strength. I measure the tiers by their size, not their absolute strength. And carno is around the size near baryonyx and cerato.

Utah pounce still sucks against large creatures, and likely always will, as if they survive to become aware of their situation, they'll quickly find a spot where utahs are literally unable to pounce without getting killed. A kentro has very tight weakspots, which is why I mentioned it as troodon prey, it can slip straight between those spikes and land bites. Allosaurus is surprisingly small, and is by no means tanky, a large pack of troodons should take a single allo out by utilising venom imo.
Keep in mind these aren't just going to win in a few seconds, likely a struggle lasting around 15 minutes of careful positioning and venom planting by the troodons, that amount of dedication should at least reward something like a lone allo
Anky is a stretch for me tbh, I only mentioned it because it was armoured and slow

[stray holly]

So are we all in agreement that Utah got shafted way too hard with this patch and needs to be addressed?

[warped fog]

Yeah, I think it should've only got this change after other small dinos were added

[cyan flame]

I see how you're reasoning, but I'm missing the critter specific values in that equation. And I don't know, allo is plenty big and powerful, I think we'll just have to disagree on troodon hunting anything larger/heavier than carno. Same on the utah pounce, it's an attritional tool, I think it'll be just fine hunting large animals, and it is what they've stated and designed it for, so there is that. I don't think we measure tier by visual size, but by weight/power if anything. And carno, while I guess technically a mid, is a very fragile and on the very end of it. And yes, troodon would be good vs kentro, like other agile animals might be, or those powerful enough to ignore the defenses, but I also want something that should more specifically hunt that kind of difficult animal. Would be more fun with a designated "bad prey" hunter I think.

[warped fog]

""bad prey" hunter" you mean like a sort of brick break from pokemon, or an anti tank round? I'd like trex to occupy that role for large dinos, able to ignore the damage reduction of ceratopsian and ankylosaurid armour. As for smaller dinos, maybe alberto or cerato?
After the recent change, and how easy it is to get rid of and punish a latch pounce, I've lost all belief that utah will ever be the best small carni for hunting any prey it can't pin down.
Even by weight carno follows the mid-tier trend, 1.8-2.17 tonnes (evrima and legacy) is heavier than a 1.5 ton baryonyx but lighter than a 2.8 ton allo. It is the second smallest mid tier, just over baryonyx, so you got that part right.

[cyan flame]

Kind of I guess. Not sure on the comparison. Basically, a critter that is designed to hunt the venomous, or prickly, or bonebreaking critters. Cerato could have been like that but I think they're doing something else for that one, so I'd bet on mono maybe. And we'll see on utah, I'll wait to judge that until people have gotten used to the new stuff and all. And I don't know if 1.5T is mid or on the end of small. Is teno a midtier or a small tier? For anky, I think spino flipping it might be a thing. And I think rex was said to actually struggle vs one, but this is old info so it could have changed of course. But it's really just kentro, dilo/troodon, minmi and pachy (maybe) that I'd consider for that "bad prey" tag.

Basically, dilo/troodon scare the shit out of pretty much everything at night. I want something that when they see it, they're the ones that go "oh shit". :p

Same for kentro or minmi. They can ignore most things by virtue of defenses, but then there's something that just goes "yeah, I can take you"

[glad fractal]

@still sinew The pressing E ending the crouch animation was a thing before too, I remember. No idea why it does it but yeah lol

[warped fog]

Well the bite force was proven to be a specific adaptation to ankylosaurid and ceratopsian armour, so although struggling, I'd expect a rex to have the best chance against anky or trike. Even disregarding realism, it just makes sense.
I've been trying to say utah should be the ones to hard counter dilo and troodon, as they're not armoured, can't bite when pinned down, and utahraptors are clearly rushdown dinos, so they can end the fight quick, something venomers really find unfavourable.
I think there should be two kinds of bad dino hunters, one for venomous, one for stabbers/crushers.
Utah falls under venomous hunters, maybe having a slight resistance, like a mongoose.
I don't have any ideas beyond cerato and alberto for the stabber/crusher hard counter, though really any carni should be able to get around it by biting the weak points, as stabbers and crushers make up most herbivores (bad tail? go for head. Bad head? go for tail)

[still sinew]

is it intentional - cause I defs don't remember that -- usedta could get a drink while crouched and return to the crouch hmm

[cyan flame]

True for IRL, but I think in game it'll be different. Though I'm sure rex will be hunting trikes at the very least. And yeah, I just disagree on utah, because it does not pin that large animals. They're not damage with pounce, they're bleed. So they'd just bleed the venomous critter, then it'd get up and envenom them in return most likely. Unless one full pounce would bleed them out I guess. And sure, you could split it like that, but I'm not sold on that idea. And it's not so much that nothing else can fight these things, more that for example x animal is extra resistant to fractures, hence, it will hunt a pachy happier than something else will. Same then with venom resistance. A utah would look at a pachy and go "this can be painful", meanwhile cerato or something goes "fine, I'll do it then".

Anyway, I do get your ideas, I just think of utah in different terms and would like something else to take that "bad prey" hunter role, because we do have other small carnis too that need to do something, while utah is already designed as it is, and even more so now to bleed over time, and not rushdown at all.

And cera I think is going for the cannibal + I can eat everything no matter what-thing.

Not sure beyond that but I'm sure there's something more :p

[warped fog]

I hope it's not different. I find the idea of the shield getting crushed by the hammer a really cool concept, something trex deserves instead of 'hurr durr bite force=big damage'
I've not tested if a full utah pin can still kill a utah in the new update, but that's what I refer to when I think of a one shot pin, an 'all out flurry' that rewards good placement, stamina conservation and timing with a clean kill
If your idea was put into place, it could work like this:
Utah: Venom resistant
Cerato: Fracture and digestion (poison and meat) resistant
Alberto: Fracture resistant

[cyan flame]

That could work, but then we still need other stuff for other critters. Dilo works as a night time hunter, troodon as well, but for daytime. I just don't see much other good potential hunters like that. I don't even know what they'd do with alberto for that matter. And I don't think a rex would want to bite the trike head on, but rather bite the unshielded neck. So not sure on that crushing, cool as it may sound.

As for current utah, while you can pin another utah, you can't pin anything else above your own weight. And I don't think pachy or dilo would be less weight than current utah. And the pounce is very much geared towards bleed now, not damage. But that could of course change again.

Anyway, I need to sleep, and I don't think we're going to agree on quite what to do with utah or any of the others as of right now, so I'm not sure there's much more point to this. We'll have to see what they do with utah before we can decide much on what role it should have, and what the others should have in turn.

[warped fog]

yeah, one thing though, dilo has always been the unique night time hunter, and legacy has allowed many different playstyles, and they don't even have abilities! In terms of small combat carnivores, utah, dilo and troodon seem like the main three, but that doesn't mean alberto, allo, sucho, and all the other carnivores are null, they're completely different sized dinos and will have drastically different playstyles to the small three

[limber hull]

@pale crest sounds like a complicated form of asking for nesting

[pale crest]

Eh, but I’d rather not put up for a long amount of growth time to be able to nest in a friend or wait a significant amount of time that could be interchangeable depending on your health and situation even when making the nest.

We all know it’s going to get a revamp and you’ll probably need more work and effort in order to make a nest

@limber hull

[paper oriole]

holy shit that suggestion sounds so abusable

[pale crest]

I mean I think I made it sound more difficult than it is tbh. Mmm guess I should of also suggested an automatic cool down

[paper oriole]

Spawning in to a pack and being immune to their damage sounds horrific for balance

[pale crest]

Mmm but it is p simple, it’s like nesting requests but for people unable to make said nests. And after 2 people request there would be an automatic cool down for a while and you’d be forced on the usual request system

It’ll be canceled if you start biting people during the cool down, then?

[paper oriole]

Or just find somebody else who is nesting…

[pale crest]

I’m talking about evrima :I

[paper oriole]

Yeah nesting will come to evrima

[pale crest]

Where they’re probably going to put a lot of time into the mechanic which will probably be far more complex

[paper oriole]

We already have regional spawning

[limber hull]

exactly, so why give them an easier version of nesting lmao

[pale crest]

I mean nesting will probably still have it’s own benefits though

[limber hull]

add this so that we can have all the benefits of nesting but without nesting at all

[pale crest]

I mean I’m sure the devs would plan on making it somewhat interesting/maybe benificial for whoever requests

[limber hull]

personally i dislike regional spawning, considering it has lead a lot to people simply spawning in the same place over and over again

[pale crest]

Like maybe the occasional mutation

[paper oriole]

If running to your pack from regional spawn is too much work then i dont know what to say really

[pale crest]

That’s why I requested the spawn near friends thing

[paper oriole]

Thats regional spawn

Ask where your friends are

Spawn in the region

[pale crest]

I just feel the cool down can be a pain

[paper oriole]

You dont need to be TPed right to them

[pale crest]

Specifically if you die often

[paper oriole]

Die less

[pale crest]

BI

Fair point

[karmic plank]

lol I love this bug so much

[paper oriole]

Spaghetti

[vale pawn]

the sponge

[still sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/somebody-touch-my-spaghet-italian-the-three-bears-stereotype-stereotypical-gif-10750566

when someon tryies to centest the body

[karmic plank]

if you guys aren't watching balance - the blood pool changes actually came through in todays patch

so utahs not as garbage

[tawny juniper]

@barren zephyr The whole point of not being able to hear is that it's hard to survive

[barren zephyr]

Yes, we know

[tawny juniper]

If they added impaired hearing it would be pointless if it ended up just being negated

[barren zephyr]

?

[paper oriole]

i think he means

[barren zephyr]

Adding impaired hearing?

[paper oriole]

people who have impaired hearing irl

[barren zephyr]

^

[paper oriole]

not game affects

[tawny juniper]

Oh

Yeah

That makes sense

[paper oriole]

being able to enable a hard-of-hearing setting that deafens noise in favour of visual queues like the name tag colouring could be a nice feature

maybe ripples from other noises, not too specific so it cant be abused to pinpoint

[barren zephyr]

There's that idea as well, but I take the community is very much against "noob friendly" features

[still sinew]

Arch line for Utah's pounce similar to Hypsi's spit arch line?

[paper oriole]

i dont think it could really be considered too noob friendly since deaf or nearly deaf people cant really help it, and it would disable noie in the game as a tradeoff for the queues

so it may work

[barren zephyr]

So my idea is a bit of a compromise, nothing like direct ui pointing cues
Though if someone has difficulty hearing, seeing their friends/packmates nametags light up or ping orange/red
They can associate that non verbally ingame

[paper oriole]

it would be a nice start to help out there yeah, and it isnt abusable

[still sinew]

Minecraft have an interesting sytes for their CC thatshow the name of a sound and the direction if came from with an arrow

[paper oriole]

the name of a sound might be iffy

idk

[limber hull]

oh sweet, thats at least nice

[paper oriole]

more like different ripple frequencies for foot steps, loudness and deepness of noise

[karmic plank]

2 utahs can absolutely bleed out a teno now if they are good

[still sinew]

it would look like [rex friendly >] or [< utah call] -- behind would look like [< stego call >] and ahead of you is the name of the sound with no arrow [deino threaten]

((I play minecraft this way and it really helps))

[karmic plank]

I think this is a great idea as an accessibility option for people with hearing issues

[still sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/toddlers-and-tiaras-reality-smile-creepy-evil-gif-3502066

[karmic plank]

love to see it

[past dune]

LMAOAOAAOAOAO

[azure wadi]

Problem is people will likely abuse it

[paper oriole]

Yeah thats why i was kinda against named calls in favour of visible wave frequencies, but if it isnt too much work they could probably test both ways

Or which ever theyd deem more suitable, if hard-of-hearing settings are ever considered

[clever urchin]

I know a lot of people complain about optimization, but do people remember to update the drivers and what not? Or just upgrade the PC if possible or necessary?

[tight lantern]

^ it do be facts tho

[tight lantern]

In regard to the Utah alt-bite attack not being used (which I agree there), since it is largely now a "bleeder" and fights don't always call for a pounce being the best course of attack, perhaps the alt-attack could be changed to a quick slashing leg-kick. Does only slightly more damage than a bite, but does significantly more bleed, albeit with a cost of some stamina drain

[karmic plank]

Definitely seen a drop in fps for this patch, and I'm running pretty high end gear.

I can't see it as being anywhere near pretty enough to justify 30-60 fps at 2k, considering the other games I play which are prettier and get much better fps

[tight lantern]

I as well. Not terrible, but had to drop from full cinematic/epic to to epic/high and drop the clouds to 2D

[real pendant]

The alt attack is useful for dodging really, and setting up pounces, for me at least.

i use it a hell of a lot 😮

[karmic plank]

FYI Utah alt-bite is 125 100 - nearly double normal bite. It is your main damage dealer

[cyan flame]

Did it increase again?

[karmic plank]

oh, maybe it did actually, it was 100... I'll need to check again

Nevermind, I brain farted. Is and was 100. Thanks for catching.

[cyan flame]

Maybe you need some more rest :p

[worn urchin]

Does anyone else have this shadow problem. It could be worse than this

[clever urchin]

Once patch 4 gets released I'll install Evrima once again and give my feedback on the FPS and rubberbanding. My specs are as follows:

Ryzen 5 5600X
RTX 3070
16GB DDR4 3200MHz ram

[karmic plank]

Yes, is a known issue

[glass mulch]

@ionic arch... why beavers...?

what on earth would a beaver dam be doing on a tropical island...?

[safe galleon]

what's a moose doing there

[glass mulch]

it isn't there

it was just a store bought asset

not being added

but what force on earth would force them to introduce beavers to the island

[worn garden]

Why has this happened when i loaded into a game?

[glass mulch]

well, it looks like you are sick

at least when you logged off

considering you are hungry it couldn't have been directly when you logged in

[worn garden]

it was fine when i logged of thats why im confused haha

[tight lantern]

No it's definitely a login bug. Been happening frequently on the unofficials (haven't tried an official yet to verify). Have to be certain not to be close to zero hunger when logging out because when you sign back in you're dead.

[tight lantern]

It's an unfortunate bug. I'd imagine it should be fixed over the next day or two

[worn garden]

ahh i see thank you

just a question but why when you die is you have you to wait over 200 seconds to respawn in the place you want to be, by any chance can it be 100 seconds i feel like over 200 it a bit extream is all?

[worn urchin]

thanks for the reply dude

[karmic plank]

no problem 👍

[karmic plank]

it's mostly to stop people griefing when they get killed. If it didn't, people would respawn as baby utahs or carnos and endlessly attack the people that killed them

[worn garden]

ahh i see thanks for explaining

[stone plank]

Anyone else notice crocs get sick now

[plush rampart]

Happened to me too, logged in and couldn’t shake it

[stray holly]

Is anyone else having frame drops after the new update?

[lavish quail]

but teno can 1 shot tail slam em

so its erelevent if the teno has a brain cell

stegs however

are free kills

[clever urchin]

A lot of people apparently do

I personally havent tried it since I'm waiting for the big patch to be released

[solar latch]

that will be U4 lol

[clever urchin]

Yep

[solar latch]

so long to wait

[golden iron]

@solar latch literally. And the fact that my utah can eat 3 whole juvie deinos and still be hungry is ridiculous.

[solar latch]

yeah lol. I was playing on a server and we killed a full teno (5 utahs) and it didnt fill any of us all the way. Close, but, not all the way And meat-wise, tenos are massive.

[golden iron]

@solar latch I feel that hunger and water drain should be directly connected to stamina. Regaining stam from running and such causes your food and water to go down a bit faster, but if you're walking a lot and not using much stam you wont get hungry as fast.

[solar latch]

^

[finite cobalt]

long live the big crocs cannibals spawn camping at pond

[cyan flame]

That's good. No more feeding on small juvies/hatchlings. Less easy to sustain megapacks and all that.

Though linking food/water drain to stamina usage is interesting. Not sure it would work out in practice but in theory it could.

[golden iron]

no because then i need to kill more juvies to fill lmao. juvie deinos are still pretty big, and eating a whole croc should fill you up

[cyan flame]

Well if all you can find and eat are juvies, then you'll ... run out of food I guess.

[golden iron]

Honestly I always looked down on cannibalism but now I have to do it because food is hard to come by and takes so long to fill

[cyan flame]

But it's possible it's a bit too harsh, though I think it's good if adults can not sustain themselves on juvies too easily. No more just eating the fallen or a few juvies when you are hungry, like deinos could before.

[vagrant trench]

Anyone else can't find fish anymore as a pteranodon?

[lavish quail]

Dryo lacking tho

[hoary dawn]

being able to teleport across the map doesn't seem like a very balanced ability

[finite cobalt]

omae wa mou shinderu

[cyan flame]

What did I just read about dryo?.. :p

[barren zephyr]

Uhh….something I suppose….

[hasty dagger]

TELEPORTING DRYO

[meager tiger]

they got rid of the fish tank? really

That was like the only somewhat chill place to grow. You travel the river you're 95% chance to get canniblized

[solar latch]

I cant wait for this game to be done one day

[hasty dagger]

I personally loved eating the lazy afk growers at south pond lol

[solar latch]

itll be amazing once it is

[meager tiger]

I suppose the speed buff for juvis will help

actually have a chance to get away now

[solar latch]

ye its good so adults dont just murder them on sight

[karmic plank]

FYI this isn't actually that new - if s teno got a tailslam on a Utah before they were still dead

Tailslam stun is enough time for three hits, or 1200 damage

[tawny juniper]

@devout sable Deinos are supposed to cannibalize, the point is that there aren't tons of them patrolling the water everywhere

[karmic plank]

Today on NA3 there's been a pack of 4 just going up and down the river killing every deino they find, babies and all, regardless of food. Pretty toxic.

[tawny juniper]

I can understand why you'd be annoyed of that but I would argue it's better than letting however many they killed become adult and wreak havoc on anyone drinking anywhere

[meager tiger]

While yes I agree with crocs are suppose to cannibilize, in a game sense there's only 1 river, barely any animals visit the river to drink only one at a time (No herds or groups really) and fish seem really rare sometimes like huge deadzones. I think it would get better if they added multiple seperate bodies of water that way its not a clusterfuck and some big guy/group is just patrolling the one river killing everything in his path. Maybe make AI dinosaurs visit the river to drink? right now there is defniltey a huge difference between this croc and crocs in real life

[meager tiger]

I don't know how rivers work but this is just a guess. Rivers should turn brown and murky during rain and maybe a few days after. I'm thinking that the new amounts of water would push soil into the river and disrupt the dirt so its not settled. After a few days after rain the water levels and the intensity should settle and the dirt goes back down on the floor? like I said im not a river scientists but in my mind that sounds logical

[hasty dagger]

As much as I love my baby Allo, that would be a shitshow, even Stego being added this early was a mistake, and it shows because otherwise this suggestion wouldn’t have been made.

[meager tiger]

Is allo stronger than carno

[hasty dagger]

Way stronger

[swift dew]

yes

[meager tiger]

its not that much bigger?

[icy lion]

1 ton heavier

[swift dew]

its an entire 1/2 larger

[teal parrot]

So in this brave new magical world, characters survive and operate off of what is in their stomach. thats right. when you drink, you have a special pouch for water that fills up, and when you eat as well. energy and water from these pouches is DIRECTLY utilized by your muscles, absorbed STRAIT from the magic stomach. How do i know? because when you eat too much, you puke everything out of your stomach, and your water will get puked too, and then if youre sick enough, you will be unable to eat or drink and you will die. This proves that life is sustained DIRECTLY from the stomach in this magical game.

[swift dew]

carno is just really tall for its size

[meager tiger]

That square cube law really fucks with my brain lol. Doesnt look much bigger but its a whole 2000 pounds heavier

[swift dew]

also don't ask me about plateo being 5 tons. I don't get it either but nova does not make mistakes

[swift dew]

allo is also just a bulkier animal, even for their own sizes

[hoary dawn]

😐

[weak dune]

I love watching people cry "nerf hypsi damage, too OP"

I really do 😂

[karmic plank]

What they are trying to say is the game stores all your stats as being in your stomach. There's no fat reserves - when your stomach is empty you are dying. I've made suggestions around this but the diet system already in testing will fix it.

[swift dew]

I mean, it kinda is. the peck of a 20 kg animal does half the damage of a peck of a 120 kg animal

[cedar pulsar]

@barren zephyr I’m pretty sure that’s what they’re legit tryna fix in the current public QA build

hop in there to help out

if ya want

[vale pawn]

sky

[weak dune]

It also dies to basically everything in one hit. Eve Ptera regular peck, not alt peck, takes out 75% of its health

It should be weak, not helpless

[swift dew]

its a creature that is meant to run away, even reducing its damage to zero wouldn't hinder the playstyle its meant to have at all

[weak dune]

A rabbit is also meant to run away. It can still kick another animal the same size as it to death

"Its meant to run away" is a stupid excuse to render a dino completely incapable of defending itself. If you're dying to a Hypsi biting you when you're 5x its size, you probably just suck at fighting

[swift dew]

first of all, nobody said they were dying to things 5x its size, we were just saying proportionate to its size, hypsi does a ridiculous amount of damage. second of all, I have taken out multiple juvi utahs as hypsi, its not hard when it takes them 8 bites to kill you when you can do it in 3, not including locational damage.

the creature built for running away is killing packs of young creatures that are built for hunting in packs

[weak dune]

If an entire pack of small utah can't kill you as a Hypsi, they probably suck at playing Utah. And in my experience a lot of them do because they expect they can just run in and mindlessly face-tank an adult Hypsi to death with no risk. Natural selection at that point.

Reminder that playable hypsi right now is ADULT hypsi

Fighting off infants

[swift dew]

half the time they aren't even infants, they just in the 20%-30% (ish) size range and you can kill them mindlessly

[weak dune]

Below 25% is still baby stage

[swift dew]

I know that

[weak dune]

30% is barely above it and chances are you're not roflstomping an entire pack of utahs unless they just suck at fighting and assume they automatically have the advantage and don't play like they're actually taking a risk

Which most of them don't

1v1, maybe, but again most of them fight like crap

[tidal frigate]

Swamps would be cool for stuff like cherry and spino

[teal parrot]

🙂 glad you understood, thanks for the FYI!

[hoary dawn]

We dont need Ptera to be more immortal

[regal elm]

Evrima already abandoned realism by adding skim fishing; only a specific beak shape works for that

[hoary dawn]

Drinking is the only thing that forces them to land, the rest of its life can be spent on the wing or in a tree

[regal elm]

Maybe if they added skim drinking and removed skim fishing (instead forcing peck fishing and making it more difficult) that would work

[honest sparrow]

That and stam management, but that can be done out of reach of essentially every other playable

I highly doubt they’d remove the thing they wanted Ptera to do, just to give it the same thing but this time it drinks

[regal elm]

Cant forget that after vertical lunge is added fishing will be more dangerous

[hoary dawn]

That still has the same issue

[regal elm]

Vertical lunge will encourage scavenging

[honest sparrow]

1 situational thing that is entirely dependent on an apex ambush hunter camping for a 90kg piece of paper instead of killing essentially anything else

[hoary dawn]

Literal

[regal elm]

Fishing is way too easy tho; should be made more difficult

[hoary dawn]

Ptera shouldn't only have 1 predator

[regal elm]

can't juvies lunge?

[honest sparrow]

Yeah they can

[regal elm]

Again, i think fishing should be made harder/more dangerous to encourage scavenging

[hoary dawn]

It could

Drinking while skimming is bad tho

[regal elm]

Lunge camping problem solved; babies are much more likely to go for pteras

[honest sparrow]

Ah yes babies, which can die to pteras

[regal elm]

I see both sides of it

[regal elm]

Not if theyre actively drowning the ptera (also didnt ptera attack get nerfed?)

[honest sparrow]

Also again, entirely dependent on babies of 1 species possibly risking death to again, kill a 90 kg piece of paper

Ptera attack got nerfed but it still bullies the shit out of juvis, it just takes more hits now

[regal elm]

I dont think a ptera is a big risk when you can just sink

[honest sparrow]

You’d be surprised how many Deinos don’t get that message

And even if they do sink, they tend to just stay in the same area anyway so you c an just fly above and wait for them to come up for air

[hoary dawn]

a playable only having 1 potential predator is just bad game balancing

[vivid seal]

I feel like the actual issue you're discussing is in gameplay habits but I'm very new, so I mean, could be wrong

[regal elm]

Still if you die to a ptera in deep water its natural selection at that point

[honest sparrow]

Yeah

[regal elm]

This is why fishing should be made more difficult

[honest sparrow]

Also what’s to stop a Ptera from just skimming in shallower water

[regal elm]

Pteras are often stupid

Hi fat pigeon

[barren zephyr]

Pteras are often very stupid (no offense pteranodon Longiceps)

Hi

[regal elm]

As a ptera player, i am often stupid

[hoary dawn]

Dude, what other predators besides deino will it have if it doesn't have to land

[regal elm]

Fishing more difficult = less experienced players have to scavenge

[honest sparrow]

personally I wanted diving instead of skimming, which would have required more skill and risk to pull off efficiently, but given we have skimming might as well work with it

[barren zephyr]

I don’t play ptera it’s unepic

[honest sparrow]

Idk how you would even make skimming more difficult

[regal elm]

Based

[honest sparrow]

The entire point of it is just to have your beak in the water and when you eventually run into something you snap it up

[regal elm]

Fish spawn less often, ripples less visible, etc

[barren zephyr]

I’m disappointed ptera didn’t have a dive mechanic

[honest sparrow]

That doesn’t make it more difficult, that just makes it more tedious

[regal elm]

And again i suggested to remove skim fishing to force peck fishing

[regal elm]

Me too

[regal elm]

Probably add a timing element too

[honest sparrow]

Considering skim fishing was ptera’s main mechanic in the trailer and concept art, imma say they aren’t going to remove skim fishing literally ever

[barren zephyr]

I told myself never to play it again after update 3

[regal elm]

Yeah, but i can dream

Skim fishing isnt realistic i dont like it lmao

[honest sparrow]

Btw I convinced Filipe to have Acro do nothing but have constant diarrhea

[barren zephyr]

probably due to diving being either hard to implement, the devs being lazy and a mix of both

[barren zephyr]

I’m leaving this game

[honest sparrow]

Lmfao

[barren zephyr]

also it seems to be a deliberate nod to outdated pterosaur skimming hypotheses

[regal elm]

Ptera should not be able to pog and make fish happen

[hoary dawn]

Everyone will leave when the dreaded shit and piss update drops

[honest sparrow]

^

[regal elm]

Yeah; its beak isnt shaped right for it

[regal elm]

What ive been waiting for

[barren zephyr]

I forgot they were actually going to waste valuable money on that

[barren zephyr]

A skimming pterosaur will probably look more like this.

Significantly smaller than ptera, and with a weirdly proportioned beak and basically no crest (to prevent it from going face first into the water, obviously)

[strange karma]

i personally dont mind skim fishing as a mechanic, even though its "unrealistic" but it deserves some more attention in the far future, im not a fan of doing donuts over a spot in the air to catch fish, its awkward despite being the most efficient way to catch them

[regal elm]

Will the gore/piss/shit update include getting shit on by pteras and having a big white splatter on your skin

[honest sparrow]

“Guys we can’t have tarbo it would cost 7k to do and would be kinda cringe”

adds Alberto, mono, rugops, and literally every clone dino I can’t think of rn
wants shit and piss
egg laying animations
implied existence of shitting anims

[barren zephyr]

Gore> piss and shit

[regal elm]

Yeah, also why does he look like a guy

Thats a fucking man

A human person

[barren zephyr]

pycnofibres

[honest sparrow]

It’s the face

[barren zephyr]

when you’ve gone this far into the pit of degeneracy it really makes you wonder what life is really about

[regal elm]

Yeah but his head shape

[barren zephyr]

the "crest" is covered in fuzz

[regal elm]

Thats a whole ass dude

[honest sparrow]

The face looks like a dude

[honest sparrow]

Indeed

[regal elm]

Get some piss and shit in ur gore and BAM infection system

[honest sparrow]

Why

[barren zephyr]

I’m moving to Beasts of Bermuda

[regal elm]

Also no one answered if ptera poop will leave splatters on whoever it hits

Bird shit

[honest sparrow]

I’ll enjoy the game while it’s still playable

[barren zephyr]

you dont need piss and shit, you need functional ecology

[honest sparrow]

That was thrown out the window almost immediately

[barren zephyr]

hi

and building a functional ecosystem and putting growth and death into good use instead of cramming assets into the game that are bound to crash it should be a priority

[regal elm]

At least evrima vaguely attempts niche partitioning

[barren zephyr]

For adults yeah

[regal elm]

Yeah

[barren zephyr]

Juveniles have niches to fill.

we need juvenile niche filling

[honest sparrow]

Juvis COULD have shit to do

[barren zephyr]

And some juveniles basically negate the need of various adults to fill those niches

[honest sparrow]

The just don’t

[barren zephyr]

shut ip

Juvie/sub rexes could easily replace alberto and possibly even allo.

[honest sparrow]

Allo is safe

[barren zephyr]

No, Allo is staying no matter what

Alberto can go

[honest sparrow]

Even tho I love alberto yeah

[barren zephyr]

also the isle could just go speculative with juvenile forms

juveniles just need to be viable and fun to play as

[honest sparrow]

Ngl I’m waiting for nano dlc

[barren zephyr]

right now they are awful

[regal elm]

Yeah juvies need their own niches

[barren zephyr]

Also juvenile allos were lanky as hell

these long leg bois

Utah but better

[honest sparrow]

Juvie Utah could very easily be an addition to the arboreal ecosystem

[barren zephyr]

Evrima

[barren zephyr]

**yeah. **

Its actually built for running down prey, utah is this ridiculously robust ambush predator

[regal elm]

I feel like thatll be done at least to an extent with juvie rexes (bc already in legacy and evidenced by real life) but i dont think any nestlings will ever have a purpose :(

[honest sparrow]

I mean irl rex basically did everything so if they really wanted to rex could fill out a shitload of positions

[barren zephyr]

Rex was a generalist irl

Imagine a generalist rex in the isle

[honest sparrow]

Pain

[regal elm]

Isle has already forsaken realism by giving utah pronated hands

[barren zephyr]

all hell would break lose

also there was the recent juvie pterosaur/azhdarchid paper

[honest sparrow]

iirc it’s been thought for a while they were good fliers from birth

[barren zephyr]

not only was it incredibly fast and powerful as a juvenile, but it had insane endurance as an adult

could literally just powerwalk you to death

[honest sparrow]

Yeah there’s a reason it’s just like rex and a few raptors for the most part in hell creek

[barren zephyr]

juvie pterosaurs were fairly competent fliers

[solar latch]

looks like weird utah

[regal elm]

We need niche shifting for things with longer grow times, we already kind of have it for deino (babies eat little fish)

[solar latch]

ngl if we were babies longer I wouldnt mind at all so we got that, especially with apexes.

[barren zephyr]

It isle juvie rex is anything like irl juvie rex I would die happy

it just sounds fun to play

[solar latch]

y e s

[honest sparrow]

While I would love to see this in game, I think it’s important Ptera can’t cross map as efficiently from just spawning in

[solar latch]

^

[honest sparrow]

Juvie rex is so fucking based in concept

[barren zephyr]

Yeah smh balance

[regal elm]

The ultimate goal would be for juvies (25-50%) across the board being as fun to play as adults, with unique abilities

[barren zephyr]

I mean yet again juvie pteras are gonna be shit at long distance flight. Well they have far better aerial mobility

but also flapping takes energy

[solar latch]

[barren zephyr]

sub rex is a mixture between juvie and adult rex in terms of capabilities

[honest sparrow]

Being better at weaving in dense areas I think is enough for Ptera

Although tbh I have really no idea how to make the juvi apex herbs fun and unique

[barren zephyr]

Ptera can defend itself against anything

hold spacebar

also should juvie pteras prod in the undergrowth for things like beetle grubs or worms n stuff

s tier animal

[honest sparrow]

Always will be

[regal elm]

I raise you: after tree cling is added babies can hunt for grubs in bark

[barren zephyr]

I still want ptera to cling on to tree branches

hmm yeah, tho ptera doesnt really have grabby hands

[regal elm]

I think tree hitboxes should be improved for semi arborial gameplay

[barren zephyr]

It would be cool to see because why not

[barren zephyr]

not to say that it couldnt

[honest sparrow]

Considering tupan is never coming because oro and rugops were 100% necessary I guess so

[barren zephyr]

like goats do climb trees

[barren zephyr]

orodromeus more like worse dryo

Why is oro getting added again?

I forgot about it actually

[honest sparrow]

Because it was in legacy

[barren zephyr]

what does it do

[honest sparrow]

That’s the only reasoning

[barren zephyr]

I don’t get it

legacy nostalgia fucking matters, apparently

sounds like a waste of money

[honest sparrow]

The same thing as hypsi, but was here before hypsi

But now hypsi exists so oro cannot function

[barren zephyr]

At least hypsi is unique looking

just because people went apeshit over pue being removed

I wouldn’t mind having pue back tbh

[honest sparrow]

I mean pue is pretty cool and is one of the og 6

[barren zephyr]

and the devs replaced it with brachi because haha funny jp reference haha epic !!!!11

yep…..

unfortunate

[regal elm]

Herrara should be jaguar esque taking things into trees to eat, juvie utahs should climb to escape danger, hypsi should tree jump, baby ptera should be a forest flier, etc

[barren zephyr]

would rather have pue

Listen here you do not rip off a movie you like, that is almost like fucking plagiarism

[honest sparrow]

Utahraptor

[barren zephyr]

you would laugh at the Utah 1 call now

it sounds identical to jp utah

[regal elm]

Utah is basically a jp raptor clone

[barren zephyr]

yes

pretty much

and we do not even need utah because various juvies should fill the role

Rex too, except it’s skinny and shrink wrapped for some reason

[regal elm]

bigger but just as agile

[honest sparrow]

Rex isn’t that much of a clone, it shares calls and being skinny but

[barren zephyr]

I want chunky rex

[honest sparrow]

We should never have any small tiers?

[barren zephyr]

it’s a fact that chunky rex is the only good rex

utah isnt that small, nor is its role that good

[honest sparrow]

Maybe, but again utah is locked in and so is every other of the 1k small carnis

[barren zephyr]

I mean saurian decided to go ambush predator with their dakotaraptor (and indeed it was an ambush predator, basically a flightless hawk but a bit better at running)

I would honestly change utah into that niche role

[honest sparrow]

I’m of the opinion Utah would get fucked in that role

[barren zephyr]

it probably would but

maybe not

[regal elm]

Saurian dakota is superior to isle utah

[honest sparrow]

Like I love ambush raptors, it’s such a refreshing break from the high speed endurance pack hunters, but it being in a game like this just does not work imo

[barren zephyr]

If carno didn’t exist it could probably work

But carno exists so

no

Carno could simply just do utahs job but better in that situation

[regal elm]

Thats why theres no shared niches in ecology

Utah and rex should be forest ambush hunters and carno should ge an open plain pursuit predator imo

For balance

The diet system should encourage herbis into these environments

[honest sparrow]

Ok

[barren zephyr]

People have been wanting endurance rex which sounds insane

[barren zephyr]

well utah is also far more robust than dakotaraptor

that does not sound good balance wise

it couldnt run as fast for long

big feathered utah will always be the best

[barren zephyr]

tyrannosaurus is way too broad to even move around in the forest

[regal elm]

It was an ambush predator irl

[barren zephyr]

eh

no

It was full endurance irl

well most predators start hunts with an ambush anyway, so basically all predators are ambush predators

it was lumbering, slow and big

[honest sparrow]

Rex hunting strategy changing every 5 mins

[barren zephyr]

but adult Tyrannosaurus could track down prey over long distances.

Ambush in isle terms means fast, so let’s use that

[honest sparrow]

Fast but can’t go for long

[barren zephyr]

Endurance is well. Endurance

not only that, large rexes could just bully smaller ones away from their kills

Or eat them

[honest sparrow]

Best option

[barren zephyr]

eh cannibalism isnt a great option

disease lolololol

Didn’t tyrannosaurs often eat each other in real life or am I just being stupid

no

they fought a lot, but cannibalism in animals only happens out of desparation

[honest sparrow]

(Actually kills each other for dominance or to reduce competition like a boss)

[barren zephyr]

rexes did fight though

but so do most animals, mainly over food or territory n shit

not to the death, thats too stupid and risky

[regal elm]

Allos cannibalized but again, desparation

[barren zephyr]

i mean those allos were during a time of drought, and the only source of water they had was basically a giant cesspit.

[limber hull]

@barren zephyr Niche shifting is cool as hell, and on the topic of komodos, Megalania starting off as arboreal is something I really wanted to see tbh

[regal elm]

Absolutely not fast t rex haha

That would be bad i agree

[barren zephyr]

[regal elm]

Saurian time

[paper oriole]

utha raptor

[vale pawn]

Texasraptor

[barren zephyr]

Tennesseeraptor

[honest sparrow]

@sleek ingot when a carno charges you or a teno tailslams you, you get stunned, thats why you stand there

[paper oriole]

I think he means its odd that there is no stunned animation

Which it sort of is, the carno looks more confused than stunned after being slammed without any sort of status animation

[sleek ingot]

I know it's a stun, I'm saying it needs to have a better animation like looking stunned rather than just idling.

[honest sparrow]

oh yeah, I agree then

[paper oriole]

Right now a carno gets slapped and then just stands there like “I can't believe you've done this”

[sleek ingot]

Think of it like you hitting your head. Are you going to wince in pain or stand there casually?

[karmic plank]

When a carno just can't even

[paper oriole]

“Bro did you seriously just-“

I could see hadros stamping with their little front legs like that deer, also that video might fall under rule 5 though F for that hawk

[sleek ingot]

That rabbit got a lucky break. As for the hawk, I can't say the same.

[brisk bridge]

Do we really need to even talk about human implementation currently? The game is missing so much and nowhere near ready for humans.

[brisk bridge]

Also why shouldn’t carno getting one shotted to the head be a thing? It’s got a massive thagomizer as adult surely getting hit with that square on in the head should be lethal

Carnos aren’t brawlers and with this patch their playstyle heavily favours ambushing others with its charge

[manic sun]

@barren zephyr i´d just nerf the tenos sprint stam drain, but yea the ram definitely should cost less stam.

the carno is kinda like a cheetah it does 1 fast sprint catches its prey and then cools off and rests.

in my opinion

[cedar pulsar]

i still don't understand this "makes it less fun" stuff
game still seems the same to me

the only balance issue i really see is maybe making small changes to some of utah's stuff, that's it

[cyan flame]

Balance wasn't better before, since before we didn't even have much coherency in how balance worked. And the game being fun is ever so subjective, so that's not a good argument anyway.

[cedar pulsar]

this ^

i could call the game not a ton of fun rn since there's no actual gameplay loop, and you just go around killing stuff

[pale bloom]

"Fun" is relative, for me going around killing stuff it's fun, not just going around the map eating bushes and drinking water all day

[cyan flame]

True, that's what makes the game unfun for me. There's no reason to stay alive, no gameplay loop.

[pale bloom]

There's nothing else to do as full Adult but look for a fight

[cyan flame]

Meanwhile, I don't really care for the killing, it was never fun to me. Satisfying to get what I need, yes, but the fighting itself, not so much. I get food by scavenging, just as good.

So yeah, lots of different ideas on what fun means :p

Hence it being useless as an argument for balance or anything else really

[cedar pulsar]

i enjoy fighting things but yeah, no real reason to keep playing apart from to fight once your full adult

[limber hull]

exactly, i wish there was more outside simple combat

nesting needs to exist imo

same with perks

[cedar pulsar]

diets and nesting for me

[limber hull]

diets are good too

but they feel kind of more like a means to an end then a reason to continue existing as an adult

[barren zephyr]

There is a line between a realistic and fun game. The isle has basically gone almost complete realistic for Dino’s and little to no fun

[zinc anvil]

i mean all this kinda thing will come together in time

[barren zephyr]

The game should be competitive. I dont feel passion to grow another carno or even grow a Utah if I know I’m just gonna get bodyed by someone else easily

[tidal frigate]

Sandbox

[inner tide]

@swift dew they just need to revert it. if u get pinned by a utah ur bad.

[cyan flame]

But realistic can be fun, that's the point. Fun is subjective. What I find "full realism" fun? Does that not count then?

Not saying I do, but you can't just divide between "fun" and "realism" or something else, that's not how fun works

[cyan flame]

I hope so!

[cyan flame]

And no, the game should not be competitive at all. The last thing the game needs is some sort of competitive mindset.

Though maybe I'm not defining competitive quite the same way you do, so there is that.

[limber hull]

idk if you know this but nature is full of competitive mindsets

lmao

[cyan flame]

Yeah, but I don't think it's in the same way that you mean, or that I mean. So maybe it's not the best word to use.

But like I said, I could just be defining it differently. Anyway, as long as you mean being bodied = no counterplay to survive, I agree with you. As long as the playable have a viable way to survive any encounter, it's fine however.

[barren zephyr]

Ok. The isle is supposed to be a survival horror game. Horror isn’t in yet but when you have a survival game where your not looking for resources. Your either looking for other players as your resources or defending yourself from other players. That’s what I mean by competitive. Everything is out at odds against each other in the wild.

Things like hypsi and ptera aren’t meant to fight and are more of escapers. Hypsi can jump high into trees and spit into people while ptera can fly. So the fighting part isn’t needed with stuff like them

But when you have things like Dryo who are much bigger and can barely fight off Juvenile creature and doesn’t have any actual good mechanics to make it a viable creature then that’s wrong

Same goes for Utah. As an adult your meant to kill smaller stuff alone and fight bigger stuff in packs with pounce. But if your bite is too bad that it’s hard as a sub adult to fight damage a dryo then what

Stego has nothing that can reliably fight it so they just get bored all day. Tenantos can just run down carnos and kill them in groups.

[cyan flame]

Alright. So yes, I mean something slightly differently then, and if that's how you mean it, I'm all for that. And that's a much better way to put it, I appreciate the examples a lot. I don't know how well a dryo can fight now, I do know it was too good earlier to say the least. But yes, it should be able to nibble hatchlings and smaller juvies that attack it to death. As for utah, I imagine you'd pounce the things you can, pin for dryo and stuff, and pounce in packs for the bigger stuff.

But from what I've heard, utah packs can fight stegos more or less well. So I don't know, there's a lot of differing opinions right now on how the balance actually is.

And I thought tenos was fixed so they could no longer endurance hunt to be honest.

Since I know that was an issue before.

[barren zephyr]

It wasn’t. It’s actually from Carnos shit stam

That they can endurance hunt

[cyan flame]

So there's some finetuning to be done yet then.

At least to me, because I was never a fan of them being able to do that, I mean, chase, sure, but then they should be out of stam for much of a fight.

[barren zephyr]

The game was decently balanced before it just needed tweaking but then they just shifted the roster into a different dimension and now more work needs to be done to balance it

[cyan flame]

And utahs could probably do with a slight bite buff increase, I'll give that as well. As long as they still remain primarly on utilizing pounce for actual damage/bleed and not biting things to death unless under specific circumstances.

[barren zephyr]

tenanto can One shot a full Sub Carno with its tail slam

[cyan flame]

Eh, there were plenty of issues to be fair. But a lot of them are more so mechanically than stat issues. But yeah, both nerfing and buffing is a bit.. iffy to say the least.

Teno tailslam should be CC, leave the damage for the kick/swipe.

[barren zephyr]

Yeah. There is no more enjoyment of growing something when I know I’m just gonna get bodyed by someone else who played something else

[cyan flame]

Well yeah, if there's no viable counterplay to remain alive, we got a big issue.

Either run, or fight, or something inbetween. If you can't do any of it, and just die if you meet the wrong thing, there's some serious issues with the viability and balance.

[barren zephyr]

It also leaves the question for how viable other stuff will be like troodon and herrera who are said to be able to kill things bigger than them

It’s gone from semi realistic survival to fully realistic and no fun with the Dino’s

[cyan flame]

To be fair. Troodon.. is tiny. Herrera is not much bigger. So kill things bigger, well, to them a teno is massive. xD

And I've only heard that for troodon anyway, herrera I don't think will get that much?

[barren zephyr]

On packs troodon will be able to “supposedly” bite with venom and kill stuff

[cyan flame]

Much as I would like the whole "death from above" to be badass :p

[cyan flame]

Yeah, but kill things bigger is.. well, when you're a troodon, everything is bigger almost. And I think troodon will come in hordes, not packs xD

[barren zephyr]

I mean I think herrera will be may not be able to fully kill a tenanto but would defiantly be able to leave a good mark on it

[cyan flame]

And yes, venom and NV

[barren zephyr]

Jumps from above and shreds into your skin quickly then jumps off with meat.

[worn garden]

iv just loaded into a server where my croc was at 87% and for some reason its reset and telling me to chose a new dino, just wondering if thats a new bug thats been happening?

[limber hull]

if utah is like this, makes me afraid for what herrera will be like

[cyan flame]

Yeah. Agreed. I could see them being able to kill maybe.. things up to 1T, if they fall from on high and hit the neck. But beyond that, I imagine most things will just get a headache really. And not sure on the flesh grazing honestly.

Not a fan of that mechanic at all really

But that's very much my opinion so xD

[barren zephyr]

Like if a smart herrera got the jump on a Utah it could probably bring it down to about 1/4 health f it was smart enough

Everything is just very unbalanced and not fun to grow anymore so that’s my opinion. They literally made more work for themselves and I’m probably not gonna play until it’s fixed

[cyan flame]

It could be that we're only seeing half of it

Since update 4 will add diets and all that

So for all we know, this looks way worse than it is, because we're missing the other parts

[barren zephyr]

Devs said this was the balance changes for update 4

[cyan flame]

Yeah

But maybe with diets and all, these changes will make more sense

Was my point

[barren zephyr]

Maybe

[cyan flame]

Right now it's just balance changes but otherwise the same old game

[barren zephyr]

But how it is now I doubt it

[cyan flame]

With new map(?), and new mechanics, and all, it could very well make more sense

Possible, maybe I'm just too optimistic :p

But it's still worth keeping in mind I think, instead of just giving up xD

[barren zephyr]

Diets gives you the gameplay loop for herbivores but for carnivores your not really gonna be getting much reliable food stuff when your a Utah pack who goes to look for the Tenanto preferred meal and you just have a bunch of Adult tenantos wandering around in. One general area

[cyan flame]

You will get a bunch of ambient AI animals as well. And with diets, you'll hopefully see a lot more of those elusive baby herbis out and about

Especially if they make it so juvies and adults want different kinds of food.

[vast wolf]

@rocky crypt stego cant use its tail attack in the water, just bite its face

[rocky crypt]

Being that small the stego just fucking spams his bite and does more dmg then me no thanks

Maybe the pound should just be fucking deeper

...

[cyan flame]

Why are people still stuck in that pond? I get it's a spawn point, but there are others.

[rocky crypt]

I mean its a good place to grow or it should be a good place to grow for gators

[cyan flame]

It is not

It is a terrible place to grow

Why? Precisely because of what you showed. It is a deathtrap

[rocky crypt]

and the center is where you get eaten by fucking carno gators

pog

[cyan flame]

If it's not a stego, it's a carno, or a utah. Any of those playables can do that there. Or just another larger gator scouring the entire pond for you all.

It's a terrible place to be small and weak because there is no way out

[rocky crypt]

Honestly a stego can swim in the pound and you not see an issue with that you are dumb lmfao

[cyan flame]

And if it had been a utah, or carno?

Does that make it better? Or just another bigger gator?

[rocky crypt]

Utahs have low hp

The stego can legit just swim and harass all the fucking players in the water no prob

but a carno or a utah dies

all I am saying people don't play stego like they should they play them to be fucking toxic

[cyan flame]

A carno would not die unless it's a decently sized gator, and even utahs can take some hits from the smaller ones.

[rocky crypt]

becaues they are the most broken thing in the game right now

[cyan flame]

Anyway, you could have more than one carno, or a pack of utahs. I'm sure you're seeing my point here.

[rocky crypt]

Not really

lol

No on should be able to swim in that pond but the gators

[cyan flame]

Though I do agree people shouldn't be playing stego like that.

[rocky crypt]

point simple

[cyan flame]

Yeah no, that'd make it almost completely safe

Not as if the gators need more of that

But again, what do you do when a grown gator comes there and eats you then?

[rocky crypt]

Gators are slow and boring as is tho

[cyan flame]

How can you not understand the point?

Even if you allowed only gators, somehow

Via some underwater tunnel or shit, and no way down for any terrestial, you'd still die if something larger just came along and you had no way out

[rocky crypt]

Yeah true

[cyan flame]

Well, gators are.. well, gators. Yes they're slow. Boring is a bit more subjective.

Look, I agree that stegos should not be doing that. But carnos can do the same, as can utahs. And it all depends on the size of the gators in that pond. The point is that the area itself is bad.

You are willingly living in an enclosed area, with no good escape routes, and as such, you are taking a massive risk.

And if it's a gator or a stego doesn't matter. If it's there to kill you, and you can't fight back, or run away, you will die.

[tepid gate]

The spot you just posted a picture of is a noob-trap. I genuinely have no idea how anyone can look at the map and decide that that's the place where they want to grow.

[karmic plank]

The issue stegos have now is nothing even tries to fight them and it's really, really boring. So you go looking for trouble

I was happily fighting a 5 carno pack on NA1 before it went down, and is staying down by the looks

Sucks for them, they can't even eat the ones already dead

[proud coral]

@sand widget What you just described is quite literally Minmi which is a small Anky that can burrow into mud.

[sand widget]

@proud coral Just an idéa to give more personnality to the anky but we can find something else and keep that skill for the minmi

But we can have and animal the size of an hipsy Who can pee on his victimes like a skunk and all the other dinos can smell the spreed dinos until hé take a good mud bath 😆 😋

[odd sedge]

Wait how did the topic change from mud-anky to skunk-hypsi

[sand widget]

Haha

Its the magic of the imagination

[tidal rose]

Hahaha, the chimken emote

You sneaky bugger placed it as I was trying to set up the numbers for people to use for the suggestion

[stark verge]

Sorry not sorry

[tidal rose]

it was funny @stark verge

[lone kite]

utha needs an hp buff but i personaly think his pounce is fine where it is

i mean utha isnt ment to hunt adult deinos or stegos

unless its an large pack

utha is like an wolf an wolf can take a hit from a bison but unless theres like 8-12 of them there not gonna be hunting one

[odd sedge]

I'm not sure if a 80kg wolf is going to be too fine when getting slammed with the full force of a 990 kg bison personally... But I get your point

[solar latch]

we need night vision almost unplayable at night rn

[barren zephyr]

It's not almost. It is unplayable

[solar latch]

lame

no

[barren zephyr]

I have a pretty good monitor and I would say it's okay-ish if I brighten up to 130% xD

I exploit your mom

[zinc anvil]

i have the same problem i cant see anything at night its so dark,might not be helping play at max settings tbh

[barren zephyr]

If you think I will keep messing with my monitor settings just to play this currently questionably fun game at night, you are dead wrong

[barren zephyr]

I can't play max settings, new update trashed my fps. I'm only playing on high

[hoary dawn]

dryo is as tall as an adult human

not really little

[swift dew]

also arms

not big

[hoary dawn]

ye

[vale pawn]

climbing minmi

[odd sedge]

Dryo and Hypsi ain't climbing

[hoary dawn]

hypsi is

[barren zephyr]

gross

[swift dew]

hypsi is

[paper oriole]

moss on the backs of deinos and ankys increasing with their age starting with adulthood would be pretty cool looking

would help add some visual variety between fresh adults and those who have been adult for a fe whours

or maybe be affected by their playstyle

[clever thorn]

you stole that from me 😄 xD

[paper oriole]

what

i was commenting because of the suggestion lol

[clever thorn]

oh sry my mistake xD 😄

[paper oriole]

moss on the backs of anky and deino would look cool and immersive and help with camouflage so im agreeing

maybe some other dinos idk what else it would make sense on

[clever thorn]

yeah but if you want to camouflage as a Deino the rivers also should have lots of Moss

[paper oriole]

is the algae in the swamp still there

[clever thorn]

not only the swamp

[paper oriole]

oh

idk it sounds like it could be a bonus to living in swamps, ponds and slow moving rivers

deinos who live in fast flowing rivers and large lakes would probably not get the algae/moss

[clever thorn]

yeah but i just looked if there are any big fish in the Swamp and there are none

so if pray isnt showing up you have to go into the river

[paper oriole]

they have been pretty weird with the distribution of fish ai

hopefully there will be better distribution at some point, laast patch there ws too many random concentration of fish in some spots now it seems there is a shortage

[clever thorn]

yeah but the Deino is hella slow right now. I mean on land but also with his Speed boost under water or if he lunges out of the water( mabey 1 meter) to grab some Pray

its pretty short for a Animal with so many muscles but i mean its the (test version) so its not set in stone ^^

[raven mason]

what it's like to play Ptera now xD

[barren zephyr]

@silent bay

[paper oriole]

what are you doing

pinging people in feedback and here

with no comment

[silent bay]

???

[paper oriole]

he has no chat history in this server except those two pings, pretty suspicious

[barren zephyr]

hi asura owner

what

@silent bay I've been banned for 1 year, can you unban me?

asura

[paper oriole]

lmao

[barren zephyr]

I was banned like a couple of days ago xd

[silent bay]

Is that the right channel ?

[safe galleon]

not at all

[paper oriole]

also just a heads up your name is against the rules too

needs to be normal characters

[barren zephyr]

What is with these pings

Why would you ping anyone in general feedback

How does that make sense

[paper oriole]

read channel title too hard

also why ping a dev instead of an admin lmao

i get that hes the community dev but really

[barren zephyr]

I don’t know, punch is usually busy anyways

[paper oriole]

how would you make players stay active while napping in game

rewarding apexes for napping a lot by giving faster growth time seems to encourage afk

apexes like rex who has a very leggy and athletic juvenile and sub stage have no excuse to be sleeping around a lot. shit lol just read the end of that, 8-10 minutes to even get the boost? you are really begging for afk gameplay, why would you reward players for doing that?

[manic flint]

That's a terrible idea
The whole point of perks and diets is to force movement

Cause apexes dominated legacy

Cause of afking

And ai

[barren zephyr]

ah yes I will take naps and sit at my computer and wait for them to wake up

[paper oriole]

I can see some more vulnerable juveniles like trike, anky, deino and spino(maybe) being less punished for inactivity but it should not be rewarded for anybody

[barren zephyr]

this will work and will not encourage afk growing

[manic flint]

Growing an apex should be hard

[paper oriole]

Like look at this thing it has 0 excuse to afk under a tree

[barren zephyr]

It honestly depends how powerful apexes will be in the future

[feral solstice]

That quality tho

[paper oriole]

Lmao

[manic flint]

Lol

[barren zephyr]

this better :)))))

[manic flint]

But baby rexes were supposed to be fast

So why tf make em sleep

For a boost

[paper oriole]

Thats saurian rex but still same point, the thing is leggy as fuck it will be able to run away

[manic flint]

Ye

[barren zephyr]

A large juvie rex should be able to mess up utahs no problem

[paper oriole]

Juvie trike or something is probably dead on sight but methods aside from afk should be utilized like thick foliage areas for the juveniles' diets in areas that are hard for large animals to traverse

[manic flint]

I mean
They had to deal with Dakota raptors irl anyway so it makes sense

[barren zephyr]

I’m still wondering how long it’s going to take for apexes to grow with a steady diet

[manic flint]

They said like

Stego will go down an hour

I think?

[barren zephyr]

I’m guessing it’s going to take around 4.5-5 hours to successfully grow an apex with a steady diet

[manic flint]

Stego is 5h growth rn?

[cyan flame]

It is yes, unless they've snuck in some change we don't know about

[manic flint]

So

[cyan flame]

I would imagine it could cut down to.. maybe 3 hours if you really max your diet, and 10+ if you afk

[manic flint]

Spino will prob be loke

[barren zephyr]

I believe it’s still 5 hours yeah

[manic flint]

7 hours

So 5-6 hour spino with perfect diet?

[cyan flame]

I think they said half with best diet, and three times as long with afk

[barren zephyr]

5 hours sounds reasonable

[cyan flame]

Obviously that says nothing about base values

[barren zephyr]

Then again, it really depends how strong apexes are going to be

[cyan flame]

But if we go with 6 hour average for apex, you'd get 3 if you really max your diet, and 18 if you decide to afk

[barren zephyr]

I’m guessing super powerful

[cyan flame]

Which could be just fine if it's 95% risk of death during growth

[manic flint]

My guess is that spino will be 7 hours and everything else (excluding Cama and Brachi) will be less

[barren zephyr]

Brachi is going to take so much time

[manic flint]

Like 6.5 hour rex?

[barren zephyr]

even with a steady diet

I feel like anything above 6 hours is a bit much tbh, at least if you have a perfect diet

[manic flint]

The values I just said we're my guesses for the base

Diets will prob cut it down to like
5 hours for spoon at most?

[barren zephyr]

probably yeah

[manic flint]

All we can do is guess for now

[barren zephyr]

Seems reasonable enough

we won’t know for awhile unfortunately

[manic flint]

Well we'll have to wait for how much they'll effect deino and stego

And extrapolate based off of them

[barren zephyr]

Since deino and stego are around 5 hours, a perfect diet may take around an hour of growth away so, by that logic it would be around 4 hours maybe a little shorter

Steady diet still the same amount of time

Afk much longer ofc

[cyan flame]

I imagine average times might be where you have to put it reasonably

Since I don't think most players will be able to max out diets

[sacred moat]

Kissen was hyping up apexes like crazy saying that they’d be way stronger than what they were in legacy

[manic flint]

Yea

So 7 hour spoon normal diets

[sacred moat]

Shame they’re going with a JP3 spino though

[manic flint]

Spoon is supposed to be the largest apex (No sauropods)

It's like
A mix between JP spino
And sucho

[sacred moat]

Oh yeah spino looks down at Rex

[manic flint]

Yea

Cause long legs

I wish they used the monster spino design

It's so cool

And a good in-between

That everyone likes

[sacred moat]

I just hope deinochirus or however you spell it is able to survive pretty well

[manic flint]

Its gonna be like
The smallest apex

[sacred moat]

If they added the spino from monsters resurrected I’d actually drop the game

[manic flint]

No

The uhh

Fred's design?

[icy lion]

the concept art version?

[sacred moat]

Oh oh oh

[manic flint]

Yea

[sacred moat]

Ok yeah that’s good

[manic flint]

I think Fred made it

[icy lion]

im not sure if its freds or taps but i think i know what you mean

[sacred moat]

Sorry I thought you meant monsters Resurrected 😂

[manic flint]

It's a crops between irl Spino and jp spino

This guy

Is what I wish we got

[cyan flame]

Agreed, that concept art spino is good. That with the alternate head and it'd be just fine.

[manic flint]

See deinocheirus is like theri sized

Well
Bigger

Chonkyer

[icy lion]

much bigger

[sacred moat]

Theri is just the forest/plains version

[icy lion]

around 3 tons heavier last i checked

[manic flint]

Theri is 5t

[icy lion]

i thought it was 4? id have to look

[manic flint]

Deino is 6.4

[icy lion]

i mean either way it could be different when they come in game

deino is 8

o

other deino

lmao

[manic flint]

Lol

[icy lion]

im used to people calling it cheirus my bad haha

[manic flint]

Cherry is 6.4
Theri is 5
According to a quick google search

[icy lion]

oh cool, i though they were 4 and 7

[manic flint]

Nah the difference isn't that much

Cherry is gonna be like the smallest apex I think?

[icy lion]

thats quite a bit closer but imo their anatomy will allow some pretty natural variation

[manic flint]

Yea

[icy lion]

unless you count stego

[manic flint]

Nah steg is pseudo imo

Acro v cherry won't be impossible

But hard for acro

But I just want suchooo

5 ton sucho plss

[icy lion]

5 ton sucho would be

my boy was done dirty in legacy

[manic flint]

Yea

He better be the bane of any non adult deino

Sucho claw with hella bleed
Sucho grab maybe?

[icy lion]

only on smaller things imo

[manic flint]

Yea

Like
Carno

And smaller

Maybe

[icy lion]

maybe

i was thinking utah or smaller but that might be limited

but imo itd be weird seeing a sucho grab a teno

[manic flint]

Sucho better not be super slow

Like

35km at least

Sucho is pretty big and tall

Can definitely pin down a teno

[icy lion]

pin definitely