general-feedback-discussion

[manic flint]

Magy could work

If it were to thrive in areas where Allo and Alberto dont

Like jungles

[barren zephyr]

Salta would work well for me

[violet magnet]

mmmmyes osteoderms will definitely help magy

[barren zephyr]

Cera towers over magy when standing upright

[hasty dagger]

Ooo Magy Discussion

[violet magnet]

wish we actually knew how magy will play

last time i brought up the supposed toxic meat mechanic i got blasted in chat with "NNOOO THAT'S NOT MAGY'S GIMMICK"
"then what is its gimmick"
"we don't knnnooowww"

how are we supposed to get hype for this dino when we don't even know how it will play or what niche it'll fill

[hasty dagger]

It will use the newly confirmed diarrhea mechanics to its advantage, blinding and giving diseases to carnivores. 🙂

[violet magnet]

[paper oriole]

DoD

[barren zephyr]

Day of Sus

[hoary dawn]

dod does actually have a pretty good flight system

[hasty dagger]

I also kinda prefer BoB flight to Isle as well, it actually has momentum and feels fluid when people aren’t going mach 13

[hoary dawn]

isle and bob flight are pretty much identical mechanically, bob's momentum is just turned up to the max

[honest sparrow]

I just wish there was momentum in the isle

[hoary dawn]

isle would benefit from a flight rework

dod's flight is unironically better in both feel and look

[compact hare]

Saw a DoD gameplay today, the camera tilt while the player turns feels so good

Like you turn left while flying and the camera turns left too, you know

[hoary dawn]

ye

[honest sparrow]

I can’t wait till this is an actual thing and I leave this game forever

[hasty dagger]

Don’t forget the egg laying animations, which using the WWD sauropod egg tube theory, could play into a projectile egg launch attack using a highly pressurized version of it.

[hoary dawn]

immersive

[honest sparrow]

In wwd I tolerate it because it’s supposed to be educational and it was hard to set up during production, I can not say the same about seeing that in game

[hoary dawn]

nothing immerses me more in a dinosaur survival horror game like taking a fat dump in the river

[honest sparrow]

Dude I would burst out laughing if I was in a horror esque scenario and the dino that was stalking me took a fat shit

[hoary dawn]

its really important guys

trust me

[honest sparrow]

^ebic dev decision

[barren zephyr]

^ebic dev decision

this is not a waste of money and time at all

[karmic plank]

lets be real though... everyone is just going to use toiletry to shit on people after they kill them

[paper oriole]

@naive eagle that's the wrong channel to be asking questions in, though sometimes a dev comes in to the isle discussion channel to talk with people, just don't ping them though

[low dock]

@naive eagle There is a dev in isle discussion rn

[paper oriole]

you might catch them if you keep an eye on that channel

oh yeah rn lol

[sand oar]

also look at the roadmap it may answer you some question:
https://trello.com/b/G5tsb4XI/public-roadmap

[paper oriole]

@pale nymph

[pale nymph]

thanks

[paper oriole]

np

[naive eagle]

how do i get the devs to see my questions, im not sure which servre im supposed to be in

[paper oriole]

if youre lucky theyll just answer when you ask in isle discussion while they're in #isle-discussion

[hoary dawn]

perhaps dont rely solely on ai when you're hungry, there are many hotspots to find players at currently

[weak dune]

Honestly the main problem with Ptera flight imo is game lag. The mechanics aren't terrible when the game isn't lagging, although they could be improved somewhat for sure.

But I honestly had to laugh at "DoD has no lag when flying around" as if DoD has even half the code, mechanics, graphics, or player population that Evrima does, as if that has nothing to do with why DoD doesn't lag as much as Evrima does...

[sonic mural]

^^^^^ @split sedge

[paper oriole]

Why do some people have such a hard time with the compass

How hard is up=north down=south

[barren zephyr]

diwections are hawd

[paper oriole]

Also whats the point of growing a carni on a dead server carnis are supposed to be attacking shit lol

If you want to rely purely on some small ai that doesnt fight back you may as well eat grass

[barren zephyr]

Starve to death

you absolutely cannot play carnivore on an empty server (as of now)

Unless you’re deino or ptera

[paper oriole]

Yeah and whats the point of even doing it too

Why play carni if you dont want to PvP and instead just eat passive AI

The logic there confuses me

[jovial hazel]

I've grown multiple carnis on AI alone. You just need to know how to find them.

More just to test if you could, than anything.

[limber hull]

a big reason i dislike this whole "pls make every dino an AI" thing. I like the player v player systems, if I wanted to just kill AI dinos, many other games do that

[paper oriole]

Basically yeah

The player made ecosystem is one if the things that makes the isle so engaging

[limber hull]

exactly. This is the main reason behind my massive distaste for dino AI

[paper oriole]

Not boring predictable ai

[limber hull]

Goats and shit are weak little snacks, insufficient for food, yet perfect as an AI

Dinos are getting complex mechanics and behaviours for players to shape in any way they see fit, animals are not. This makes animals instantly better conceptually for AI

[paper oriole]

The only AI should just help stave off starvation if you're lucky or be supplemental bonuses for diets and not be a reliable source at all for a consistent food source unless youre a piscivore

[limber hull]

i agree

its a shame they plan to add shit like rex AI, because when the community inevitably learns how to cheese the hell out of it, it will be an AMAZING free food source

[paper oriole]

Thats what im afraid of yeah

Or large flight animal ai that will be easy to run down

Like hadrosaurs

[limber hull]

everyone responds with "oh no, it will be so much better, have faith", while we have dryos who can't even swim properly, run in a straight line when chase and scream the entire time, stopping occasionally to let you catch up.

if you've seen AI dryo in a river, you know what I mean

[honest sparrow]

I mean tbh currently Dryo has no reason not to run in a straight line 90% of the time

[limber hull]

true, but at the same time, the AI dryo has a tendency to stop and wait for its predator to catch up

[paper oriole]

Does the dryo ai even use its ability? Will it use its ability when it gets a speed nerf and dodge rework?

[limber hull]

its a walking meal

[paper oriole]

And will it use the ability properly

Thats what im worried about too, once its speed is reduced because player dryos will be balanced with a better dodge, the ai might still be dumb af and not use it and be free food

[honest sparrow]

That’s exactly why they buffed Dryo speed and I hate it

[paper oriole]

Yeah i figured as much, i guess a bandaid is better than nothing but they should really just fix its shitty ability same with hypsi

[limber hull]

my favourite part is people who use the excuse "it's to build an ecosystem!". Mate, an ecosystem would be better built if a lot of the roster was WORTH PLAYING. Dryo is too OP, hypsi is too incomplete, stego is a snorefest.

Redesign the animals, before making AI take the dirty jobs no one wants

Dryo is so broken, it's actually boring

[honest sparrow]

I still find Dryo engaging as I like to go around and fuck with people, but it is defenitely not like legacy where you have a common threat you need to avoid

[paper oriole]

Dryo is “worth playing” for the wrong reasons definitely. Stego is fodder and the only thing that makes hypsi remotely worth clicking on from time to time is the fact that it has 0 growth time

[limber hull]

legacy's dryo felt so much more engaging. I hated legacy galli for the same reasons I hate current dryo, the lack of stakes make the experience boring

[paper oriole]

I liked kicking juvies to death in front of their helpless parents as legacy galli

[limber hull]

same experience with evrima dryo

[paper oriole]

Honestly galli should be fast as fuck but dryo should capitalize on agility

So hopefully they fix it soon

Maybe theyll sneak it in

[honest sparrow]

Dryo has and probably aways will rely on agility

It was always about sneaking around and outwitting carnis who could outspeed you

Now it’s just Galli but without omnivory and a kick

[limber hull]

I want the rabbit playstyle. It has burrows and good speed and agility, but lacks stamina, so it must quickly rush and go to a burrow for safety.

[honest sparrow]

I despise burrowing Dryo, but that sounds kinda fun

[limber hull]

(also let large predators fuck up your burrow, not entering but messing with integrity)

i dont want burrows to be havens, but temporary reprieves

[broken thorn]

@barren zephyr pachy is confirmed to headbutt as it's special ability. I guess it's basic attack will also be a headbutt of sorts

[paper oriole]

Personally i don’t think large predators have any good reason to be destroying the burrows of small dinos especially ones with low stam

A rex sabotaging a dryo burrow just feels useless and petty

Though i also personally am not a fan of burrowing dryo as well

[honest sparrow]

It’s possible rex just doesn’t really care

It could probably cave in a shitty Dryo burrow if it wanted to but it might just not

[paper oriole]

Players would do it if they can

Just to grief if nothing more

[honest sparrow]

Fair

If it was restricted to like pseudo mids and mids that would be fine but again

Balans

[paper oriole]

I like dryo with great stamina and superb agility to make up for not being as fast as his primary predators, burrowing just doesn’t look good on it

Large dinos don’t need to destroy bottom tier dinos burrows for balance tho

[honest sparrow]

^

[paper oriole]

Bruh

<@&401466542140817419>

Its also in fanart and fanart discussion and basically every other channel in that tab

[limber hull]

@modest wind shop seems silly to me. Also despise the idea of being encouraged to hunt dinos as a merc, tasks should treat dinos as obstacles, not targets, the very nature of mercs is to have low ammo and weak weapons for a LONG time.

egg stealing, base repairing, package recovery, etc. All these should be considered instead of "hunt x dino"

[modest wind]

well, I was thinking sure you can buy ammo but you're basically telling every dino your location in the process.

[limber hull]

you should fear the dinos and attempt to evade, not attempt to engage

[modest wind]

maybe so just some ideas I'm throwing out there

there were other ideas I had that I didn't put in like giving mercs a kick so they can punt smaller dinos.

but that just seems too silly

[tidal frigate]

@visual patrol no the old model sucks

[visual patrol]

It’s miles better than the new one

Way too fat,that thing wouldn’t survive in real life if it actually looked like that

[tidal frigate]

Elephants

[tidal frigate]

Hippos

[visual patrol]

Hippos and elephants are different to an acrocanthosaurus

[tidal frigate]

The reason it’s super bulky is becuase like spino it’s supposed to be a defensive creature

[visual patrol]

Irregardless of that I think it doesn’t look good, and the majority of the community agrees

And you can make a defensive creature look good

Which our acro doesn’t

[tidal frigate]

So you want it to look like a trex could bite its head off with ease?

[visual patrol]

I want it to be slimmer,it’s simple really

It can still be bulky and slimmer than what it is now

[tidal frigate]

Then how is it going to be defensive

[visual patrol]

Give it everything that is planned for the creature. But slim it down

[tidal frigate]

I couldn’t see that working without making the model look bad

[valid zephyr]

It should not be fighting a rex 1v1. At all. It's a considerably smaller animal.

Rather than bulking it up into a gigarex clone, it should be able to escape those animals using its speed and agility.

[tidal frigate]

That’s not an apex’s job

[visual patrol]

The model looks bad now and it’s fat

[valid zephyr]

Acro is not an apex.

[tidal frigate]

But that doesn’t make it unviable

[visual patrol]

It makes it look shite

It can look good and be viable

[tidal frigate]

Hippos look weird but they are one of the most dangerous animals alive

[visual patrol]

But this is a game

You can make the model slimmer(not necessarily slim) and it can still be viable and do what the devs want it to do

[valid zephyr]

Rex is 3 tons heavier than an acro. An acros job should not be to fight rex and giga 1v1 in head on fights.

[tidal frigate]

A Rex could ambush it

[valid zephyr]

Congratulations, you let an almost 9 tons animal sneak up on you...

A rex could ambush an allo or a utah as well. Happened all the time in legacy.

[visual patrol]

Without ambush speed and Rex not being able to crouch it’s really your fault if you let a Rex ambush you

[tidal frigate]

Rex can crouch

[valid zephyr]

Acro should be actively avoiding rex/giga, while using its size to bully the mid tiers.

[visual patrol]

In evrima it’s not going to

[icy lion]

we have a new rex crouch anim lying around somewhere

same with spino

[modest wind]

but I like chonky Acro

[visual patrol]

they arent actually crouching tho,its like a lowering of the head,if im thinking of the same clip

[icy lion]

its functionally a crouch, still

but if i had to describe the animation its definitely more of a "stalk"

[visual patrol]

ik its a crouch but he was saying a rex can ambush acro but its not going to be able to lower its body to the ground like in legacy so its gonna easier to see.

[paper oriole]

Imagine if egg stealing actually only went to scavengers so cera could steal eggs but ovi couldnt

[barren zephyr]

[glass mulch]

@modest wind I do not really think the money and shop thing is all that well, it is a completely deserted island, you should scavenge deserted buildings, kill or recruit other mercs, a shop makes it feel weird and not really hardcore

[limber hull]

im honestly more concerned by the hunting/culling incentive

punishes people for picking their favourite dino because others also picked that dino

[glass mulch]

Maybe in abandoned worker villages there could be vending machines…?

[limber hull]

also imo, there should be zero gameplay incentive to hunt as merc

[glass mulch]

Yeah, although having a mission to document stuff or explore locations or gather information might be better as missions

[limber hull]

i honestly think egg stealing as merc would be really good

what better way to study your dinos than with an egg of the species?

[ashen wasp]

if mercs are meant to be "studying" anything, that is

[pulsar lake]

This Giga paleoart is hot

[glass mulch]

Hell, considering they want defecation in the game, studying literal shit is pretty good too

[urban flax]

@drifting rose Which amount of salt are you thinking of in order to hurt just by standing in the water ?
I mean, at some point dinos are just gonna walk on the water

[vale pawn]

[urban flax]

Oh they changed it for acidic lakes
It's more understandable now

[drifting rose]

Over time it would start to hurt dinos that’s aren’t made to stand in it take damage but dinos who can stand in it would be alright

[drifting rose]

Yea

[drifting rose]

Well I’ve read a couple articles and what makes it acidic is the amount of salt in the water

[urban flax]

I don't think salt alone can make something acidic
Cause otherwise a salt block would melt everything it touches

[paper oriole]

Cant exposure to so much concentrated salt kinda fuck reptiles/birds up though

[paper oriole]

Were the devs actually being serious about diarrhea or were they just memeing on us

[barren zephyr]

Serious

I think

[paper oriole]

Holy shit

[barren zephyr]

get it joke

[paper oriole]

The prophecy

[vale pawn]

[hoary dawn]

its funny how they punished people for suggesting mating animations but are perfectly fine with egg laying and diarrhea, all 3 contribute nothing to the game

[paper oriole]

Was the egg laying animations comment also legit

Because

[hoary dawn]

it was

[paper oriole]

Makes me think of a certain cerato drawing

[hoary dawn]

filipe also confirmed them in a stream

[paper oriole]

Jesus

Why

[hoary dawn]

we have both written and audible confirmation

its a very important thing

[paper oriole]

Theyre going to spend money to make egg laying and pissing and shitting for real

[hasty dagger]

Don’t forget cloacas will be necessary for eggs, all those model edits

[hoary dawn]

cant wait

all those controversies and update delays, and piss and shit is what finally does the isle in

[paper oriole]

God i hope they dont make that model edit

Please no

People will do so much egregious shit with this

[barren zephyr]

This will not be a waste of time and money

Knowing the isle team, adding all of this would at least take a year if not longer

[paper oriole]

Imagine good updates being postponed so they can animate each dinosaur dying of dysentery

[hasty dagger]

“Animating dinos takes lots of time there’s nearly 100+ for each one”

“Lets add shit and piss and diarrhea animations that are completely necessary ”

[urban flax]

Remember "egg laying animations" don't mean there has to be modelized cloacas and all that shit
It can stay as simple as Spore's egg laying animation, where the creature just squats and the egg pops between their legs
Just to show that you've succesfully laid an egg

Since it also seems they're going the Spore route with mating anims

[pulsar lake]

All those things are unnecessary

Dumb

And unrealistic tbh

[urban flax]

What's unrealistic ?

[pulsar lake]

It adds a fetishism

Piss and shit territory for reptiles.

Like.

That's not how reptiles do anyway.

And same for birds.

[valid zephyr]

Absolutely guaranteed that you will get utahs at docks, sitting under each other, while shitting into each others mouths.

Adding piss, shit, and egg laying animations is an absolutely awful idea. It's just going to be abused by the erpers and adds absolutely nothing to the game.

[paper oriole]

Do reptiles even piss

[urban flax]

Who said it was for territory ? All I heard was that it would serve tracking purposes

[urban flax]

Reptiles don't piss, and I find that weird too
Tho maybe Filipe (I think it's him who talked about it ?) was misinformed, we only saw poop scent in the stream and no piss scent

[pulsar lake]

But why then when you can have scent marks on tree by scratching to them instead? Staying longer on dense foliage.

[paper oriole]

Theyre already actually working on the mechanics?

[pulsar lake]

Yikes

[hoary dawn]

filipe said diarrhea would tie into sickness/venom iirc

[paper oriole]

Venom? Please no

[valid zephyr]

Scent marks by things like rubbing on trees would be far better.

I swear people used to be banned for even suggesting this shit.

[hoary dawn]

they did

[pulsar lake]

Mud baths could let a large mark tbh.

Ngl, with possibly a heat mechanic, mud bath should be used to counter heat and water as well.

[urban flax]

Also why are you all so upset by defecation ? I mean we're getting gore, intestines and maybe tearing limbs in the game, that's much worse

[paper oriole]

If they actually add that it should only be punishment for poor behaviour not something players can willfully inflict on eachother

Guts and gore add to the horror element of the game

[hoary dawn]

you serious?

[paper oriole]

Shit does not

[pulsar lake]

We kinda are against it by the gross aspect of it and knowing the player base will troll around that.

[valid zephyr]

Because it adds nothing, and will just be abused by degenerates to make disgusting videos.

[hoary dawn]

we bought a survival horror game, not a toilet simulator

[pulsar lake]

Lmfao

[urban flax]

Not everything needs to be horrendous in a horror game
Defecation might add something for survival, many survival games have some form of it

[urban flax]

You say that like gore fetish doesn't exist...

[pulsar lake]

Ngl ARK and such game player base isn't as degenerated as Isle

[valid zephyr]

It's just going to be used at docks for erping purposes.

[paper oriole]

It doesnt really add anything significant, especially anything that isnt already doable without

[valid zephyr]

This.

[hoary dawn]

defecation would not add anything that another, less unnecessary mechanic could do equally well

[urban flax]

Fertilizing crops ? Since tribals might get a farming mechanic

[pulsar lake]

Trees, rocks, foliage, mud bath and such could do similar things.

[valid zephyr]

Rubbing on trees or something could replace it easily.

And egg laying animations add nothing at all.

[pulsar lake]

Egg laying animations add immersion but people will go weird.

[hoary dawn]

you do not need to have players produce feces to have good farming mechanics

[pulsar lake]

Like, it doesn't bother me for realistic aspect. But Isle players moment using it like the guys going puke simulator.

[hoary dawn]

many games have farming that does not require literal shit and they do perfectly fine

[urban flax]

That doesn't mean it adds nothing

Many games don't have a complex bleeding system either, yet it is useful in the Isle

[hoary dawn]

it could be easily substituted

[haughty folio]

sometimes adding nothing is better than adding something that will be fetishized

[hoary dawn]

our bleeding system isn't complex

[pulsar lake]

Bleed is just hit and damage to a point pool.

[urban flax]

If you don't want anything to be fetishized just don't make a game
Or make a game about rocks
Although this might end up wrong too

[haughty folio]

you can always take steps to minimize the number of freaks

[urban flax]

It affects stamina, changes depending on character movement, uses diverse resitances and might be localized, for me it's rather complex

[haughty folio]

adding poop is the exact opposite way to do this

[pulsar lake]

Everything on the internet might get lewded anyway. But seeing things like those furries, scalies shitting in mouth of each other's is just..

[urban flax]

I've seen worse

Not involving shit

[haughty folio]

good for you, nobody else wants to

[pulsar lake]

Btw bleed doesn't affect stamina and doesn't depend of location.

[urban flax]

It doesn't affect stamina in legacy but it does in evrima

[pulsar lake]

No.

It was an idea.

But it didn't get in.

[urban flax]

Bruh do you even read patch notes ?

[haughty folio]

I thought it did Levi

[pulsar lake]

I do.

[ebon girder]

Because this game is full with furrys that would love to roleplay rolling in diarrhea

[hoary dawn]

shit is just so unnecessary and doesn't fit the game's tone

[ebon girder]

wtf

[pulsar lake]

Basically.

[haughty folio]

anything defecation does, nondescript scent markers do better

[pulsar lake]

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-isle-gif-20008970

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-isle-kaperoo-cum-sex-gif-20307524

Soon

[dreamy wharf]

Let's not.

[ebon girder]

And egg laying animations are just fucking weird and i dont understand why the devs would even consider adding it

[urban flax]

Visual feedback on when you lay an egg
Isn't it better than just standing still and see eggs pop out of nowhere ?

[haughty folio]

and for that matter, why would Tribals be committing agriculture when their society revolves around hunting dinosaurs and turning them into weapons, tools, and shelter

[pulsar lake]

Immersion wise it is better

[urban flax]

Why do you all instantly think of nothing else but weird fetishes whenever something is added ?

[ebon girder]

I get your point but we do not need an egg laying animation for that, maybe just a sit down with a different animation

[dreamy wharf]

I'd rather have eggs that just pop out of nowhere. It doesn't really bug me that much, I don't want to see the isle turn into a deviant art chatroom.

[pulsar lake]

but, people aren't mature enough and will be rping about this again in a weird way.

[urban flax]

How is that not an egg laying animation ?

[ebon girder]

cause we know what people are gonna be using it for, dont act like its not true

[hoary dawn]

by that logic we need detailed mating animations cuz its better than being pregnant out of nowhere

[dreamy wharf]

It's moreso having to deal with the people who genuinely do weird shit consistently with ammunition like that.

[ebon girder]

I dont want the egg being pushed out

[paper oriole]

Imagine the fanart channel when this stuff gets in

[urban flax]

People don't need that to be weird. They just are and that shouldn't make devs refrain from making their game the way they want

[paper oriole]

Fetish art already sometimes pops up

[pulsar lake]

Sims bathroom censure for The Isle laying egg animations and poop animations.

[urban flax]

I mean, without any fetish or weird ERPers involved, does the idea of defecation in a dino game bothers you that much ?

[haughty folio]

people will be weird but there's no reason to add things that will make them rely on their imagination less

[ebon girder]

No it doesnt, its just the rpers for me

[urban flax]

If it's just the rpers then let them be

[hoary dawn]

i would prefer not to watch a dinosaur poop

[haughty folio]

degenerates like them belong on a cross

[urban flax]

They're actually not doing anything wrong

[pulsar lake]

https://youtu.be/NHoxTHu1-Dg

[ebon girder]

what?

[haughty folio]

despite being a skeleton you have somehow succeeded at shoving your head up your ass

[urban flax]

Having a fetish isn't a crime

[hoary dawn]

oh boy

[paper oriole]

I would prefer to not have people purposely dropping deuces in front of me or on bushes etc just to be a troll, that would impede on my experience and people will do it if they can

[ebon girder]

animal and shit fetishes should be shamed and i will continue doing so

[urban flax]

What if they can't and shit doesn't have a dedicated button ?

[silver zephyr]

random shit is just as bad

imagine hunting and in the middle of it you have diarrhea

[ebon girder]

lmao

[pulsar lake]

xd

[paper oriole]

Also if venom can cause diarrhea you’ll give weirdos the time of their life at the expense of others

[silver zephyr]

troodon mains giving everyone diarrhea

[hoary dawn]

even if we ignore the fetishist side of it, shit still damages the game's tone, image, gameplay, and does not have enough positives to justify adding it

[urban flax]

There's plenty of ways to make defecation into a useful yet non-intrusive mechanics
You guys are just blocked with the idea of trolling and fetish

[paper oriole]

And people using low worth dinos, getting sick on purpose just to shit at people like people do with hypsi spit but worse

[haughty folio]

alright but hear me out;

[paper oriole]

Just shit near people if they killed you or they just feel like making a dino to be a troll

[meager tiger]

No shit and piss please

Can't trust internet players

[paper oriole]

Yeah money and time could be spent on actual cool things and not shite

Or egg laying

[meager tiger]

Use it for trolling and toxic non sportsmanship

I'm ok with egg laying

[haughty folio]

the fact that you have to dedicate thought on how to make it useful and nonintrusive, while we can look at it and immediately say "yeah that's gonna get fetishized by some freak in 0.01s" means that there's an immediate disconnect between the reward and the risk

[paper oriole]

It will be used for trolling if theres any sort of way to cause it via action

[meager tiger]

On the frnce

Fence

[haughty folio]

not to mention that feces are absolutely worthless for tracking

[hoary dawn]

egg laying is the lesser evil compared to shit, if its just like a sitting down anim that spawns an egg and not an actual "laying" anim

[meager tiger]

At least with egg laying it's a one time certain spot

[ebon girder]

get shit on

[urban flax]

Trolls will troll, whatever you do
And "giving them more tools" won't change anything
If giving them less tools won't make them stop trolling, them giving them more tools won't make them troll more
Trolls are trolls and they spend their time trolling, it's all

[paper oriole]

Tracking can be done with you know... tracks

And scents

[haughty folio]

congratulations! you found poop! now where the fuck are they? oh, you can't tell, the poop isn't fresh.

[silver zephyr]

lets just add mating anims at this point

[meager tiger]

Yes but trolling with shit is worse

[hoary dawn]

its not about trolls and fetishists for me, its just i dont want to watch dinosaurs poop and pee, i think its safe for me to say i speak for many people when i say that

[urban flax]

Well they're doing it

[pulsar lake]

I mean, that's kinda similar to showing your religion purposely or your politic opinion.

[silver zephyr]

mating anims arent confirmed, mating dances are

[meager tiger]

Tracking can be done with scent, noise, wind, foliage, tracks, water, blood,

[haughty folio]

if the devs jumped off a bridge would you?

[urban flax]

Mating dance is a mating anim

[paper oriole]

“That guy is crazy! Just give him a gun because he's gonna be crazy no matter what anyway what difference does it make?”

[pulsar lake]

That's solathinf private that you'll be judged for.

[meager tiger]

Smell, mud

[urban flax]

I don't see why I should

[silver zephyr]

you know what we mean by mating anims

[haughty folio]

then why should you take this lying down

[meager tiger]

Bow chika wow wow

[ebon girder]

what are the pros of shit

[meager tiger]

None?

[urban flax]

Yes and I don't need to answer it since you seem to be already aware of what the devs are planning to do with them

[swift palm]

funi

[meager tiger]

Maybe you can see if there sick

[silver zephyr]

what?

[hoary dawn]

none that couldn't be done just as good by other mechanics

[meager tiger]

But that's it

[dreamy wharf]

Couldn't you just check to see if they're sick with vomit?

[paper oriole]

We already have vomit for sickness

So

[dreamy wharf]

Could also have the animals look genuinely sickly. Foaming mouth, etc.

[meager tiger]

Not every sickness has a symptom of vomiting

[ebon girder]

I know but i want to know why they prefer shit over other mechanics ||i am suspecting that they are a furry with a weird fetish||

[urban flax]

Can give off more info than footprints/marks, also could be smelled from waay further away and allow to spot herds of AFKers

[paper oriole]

Even stronger body odor/track scent would work better to fulfill the same purpose

AFKers can accumulate more body scent

[hoary dawn]

herds have pack scent, afkers will be punished by diets, next?

[ebon girder]

Why not use different mechanics like skins shredding or the stuff that Zann suggested

[paper oriole]

Without the ‘mild diarrhea’ stuff

[urban flax]

Because skin shedding for dinos is unrealistic, defecation makes sense.

[haughty folio]

unless you are actually a skeleton in real life you are currently shedding skin as we speak

[meager tiger]

Ok the one thing I hate about the smell shit is if your sitting in bush taking forever to heal bleeding, they just smell you from a mile away and kill you

[ebon girder]

it was just an example, look at the stuff that zann suggested

[pulsar lake]

We all are and those are scaly reptiles tho'

[paper oriole]

Poor hygeine and sickness can just make dinos scent trails stronger without shite

[haughty folio]

what the fuck do you think dust is primarily made of

[meager tiger]

Wait do dinosaur shed skin

[pulsar lake]

Some feathered may let feathers behind.

However, in The Isle we'll have few feathered animals.

[paper oriole]

Then those feathers can tell you that it is those few dinos without them leaving a trail of poos clues

[haughty folio]

anything shit can do, skin traces, feathers, and nondescript scent particles will do better

[urban flax]

Meh
I mean why not but that's not any better than shit.

[pulsar lake]

And that could go again in favor to foliage, tree rubbing and such.

[meager tiger]

Do dinosaur shed skin

[night ruin]

Skin shedding makes sense if it's in bits and pieces. A rex or carno is obviously way too big to writhe out of it's skin like a fucking snake, but anyone who's owned larger lizards (crocs too I believe) can attest they definitely leave large chunks of dead skin lying around.

All animals shed skin, just some shed more at once than others

[pulsar lake]

Everything does, so they must too.

[meager tiger]

Not particles

Chunks

[pulsar lake]

Yeah

Like us.

Reptiles.

Birds.

Fish.

Amphibians.

[meager tiger]

We don't shed chunks lol

[pulsar lake]

Oh yeah.

I mean then.

[meager tiger]

We shed small particles

[haughty folio]

particles are just very small chunks

[pulsar lake]

Just you lose skin all the time.

[ebon girder]

Tbh id rather have a replacement for shit that is a bit less realistic than shit because it reduces the possibilities for trolls and rpers

[urban flax]

So going around and finding trails of dead skin would be normal and immersive for you ?

[haughty folio]

yes

[meager tiger]

Well you can't see particles on a bush in the game as easy as a chunk like a apple size skin

[haughty folio]

better than trails of fucking shit

[hoary dawn]

the things zann suggested are better than shit because they dont require you to watch a dinosaur take a dump

[meager tiger]

Exactly

[urban flax]

So trails of shit are not realistic ? Have you ever moved a herd of sheep ?

[pulsar lake]

You still could be able to scent it.

[urban flax]

Or basically any farm animal

[paper oriole]

Watch or hear it id take literally anything but that

[haughty folio]

I have seen horses moving in groups and they don't leave trails of shit

[odd sedge]

I'd take that over weirdos with a poop fetish getting their way

[ebon girder]

I wouldnt fucking care, it doesnt even matter, even if you just give off a strong scent every few minutes that is able to smelled from further away, id rather have that than shitting, i think you just like the thought of shitting dinosaurs more than you should

[haughty folio]

they leave it in one rough location

[urban flax]

I don't especially like it, but I think you all hate it way more than you should

[night ruin]

But if we don't have shitting how can my dinosaur die of dysentary? (very important for immersion)

[meager tiger]

Ok well Mr Bones, a sheep shits like what a 1 foot pile max. But a trex shits like a 3 foot pile

[urban flax]

And I find it weird that everyone complains about this but nobody complains about gore, for example

[hoary dawn]

dude

[meager tiger]

Lots of games have gore

[haughty folio]

it is ribs

and skulls

[urban flax]

and intestines

[haughty folio]

probably entrails

[hoary dawn]

gore makes sense for a game like the isle, its survival horror

[ebon girder]

gore is not the same as shit

[meager tiger]

You know how many games movies and shows have gore lol

[hasty dagger]

Gore doesnt detract from the games tone and feel

[meager tiger]

Alot more than shit

[night ruin]

unless you have to shake intestines to get the poop out of them before eating or risk infection. Then they're in the same thing.

[urban flax]

So that's just a matter of how used you are to it.

[meager tiger]

Gore has been around in media for like 100 years

[silver zephyr]

ok here
gore adds to the horror element but doesnt detract from the survival element
poop, piss, and diarrhea add to the survival element but detracts from the horror element

[ebon girder]

w t f

[vale pawn]

The Isle piss update

[hoary dawn]

me playing alien isolation and watching the xenomorph take a shit cuz the game also has gore

[urban flax]

It detracts from it ? How so ?

[haughty folio]

ever heard of toilet humor

[meager tiger]

Me watching Jaws watching the shark piss

[silver zephyr]

the game will be so scary when everthing is taking a dump

[hasty dagger]

Rex stalking you just sprays shit everywhere as it runs out for the ambush

[night ruin]

me watching the Predator take a break from hunting people to take a shit

[meager tiger]

XD

Arnold gotta take a dump

[quartz kiln]

what a productive feedback discussion

[ebon girder]

"I am currently stalking a herd of tenontosaurus, its 3 am and pitch dark, oh i just pooped lol funny"

[night ruin]

I guess you could say it's turned into a shit show??? :D

[urban flax]

Oh yes, because since there is wallowing in the game you always see dinos interrupting their hunts just to roll in mud and everyone runs around covered in mud

[meager tiger]

I think skin is a better alternative

Chunks and particles

[silver zephyr]

how is covering yourself in mud equivalent to shitting

[paper oriole]

Imagine you’re trying to be sneaky and you just drop a fat deuce and fucking die because somebody heard or smelled it

No thanks

[urban flax]

It's a mechanic

[silver zephyr]

???????

[night ruin]

Just have health be a stat and the stinkier and less washed your animal is the bigger scent trail it leaves. No need for poop

[meager tiger]

Shit is a lose lose if it's active or passive

[ebon girder]

i dont think you will be able to control when you can poop

[urban flax]

If you're not forced to cover yourself in mud every 30 sec, why would you be forced to take a shit every 30s ?

[meager tiger]

Trolls or Stupid deaths you can't control

Pick your poison

[haughty folio]

yes hello I'd like whatever the fuck bubulblu is on because the sheer disconnect he's displaying can only be possibly explained by being stoned as fuck

[meager tiger]

No insults

[silver zephyr]

but shit is a thing you naturally do, covering yourself in mud is optional

[urban flax]

I was thinking the same thing of you, but I was polite enough to say nothing

[meager tiger]

Do not say insults

Makes you look low

[hoary dawn]

even just walking around normally would be soiled by it, i love walking through the environment and absorbing the ambiance, imagining taking a shit in the middle of that is not exactly what i'd call immersive

[haughty folio]

I'm already 6 feet under, can't get much lower than that

[meager tiger]

Your both skeletons bro. Team up for the skeleton war

[urban flax]

Maybe we just don't see the pooping mechanic the same way
The way I'm picturing it can be as light as
"After laying down for some time, you might see excrements at the place you were where you stand up"
Doesn't need to be anything more than that

[haughty folio]

back to the topic at hand, Bubulblu has yet to explain why shit specifically is better than literally anything else that's infinitely harder to make weird

[hoary dawn]

the way filipe has described it, it sounds to be more than that, which is why people are objecting

[meager tiger]

All I can think of is a sick animal whose suffering from a digestive problem

[urban flax]

It's not better, it's just the same, but realistic. And also the existence of fetishes shoudl'nt dictate the way a game is made

[meager tiger]

Wait are parasites gonna be added

[haughty folio]

the existence of idiots shouldn't affect game balance either yet lo and behold

[meager tiger]

Tapeworms

?

Maybe if they add parasites

Shit can tell you don't eat or go near a sick guy

[night ruin]

Ah yes, tapeworms, a fun and engaging mechanic that would add so much to the dinosaur experience

[urban flax]

Maybe I'm incorrect then, but I'd like to see the message (if he written that down and didn't just talk in a stream) to make myself an idea

[meager tiger]

Idk bro it was a idea lol

Never said it was a good one

[night ruin]

If they add parasites I'd rather it be exoparasites that small playables can nibble off your back to encourage communal relationships between players of different classes. Large carnivores could get these parasites and it would incentivize them to not KOS small playables since they could clean them off

[meager tiger]

Would you guys be against parasites and pests

[haughty folio]

we're already getting Troodon

[urban flax]

Okay
But that's a message about diarrhea
Wait is shit only included with sickness and diarrhea ?

[meager tiger]

I meant insects and worms

Leeches, tapeworms, mosquitoes, ticks

[hoary dawn]

we dont know to my knowledge

[haughty folio]

parasites don't really add anything

[urban flax]

Yes, because I haven't seen a suggestion that would make them interesting as a mechanic yet, and I couldn't think of one myself

[night ruin]

Imagine a Rex or Giga lying down and a bunch of troodons or ovis eating giant ticks off it's back. Would be pretty cool way to build a relationship between different species

[haughty folio]

like, at best it's "fuck you have a debuff that makes you reliant on someone else to get rid of"

[meager tiger]

What about that small tetadactyl who cleans other animals

[silver zephyr]

and then the giga or rex has diarrhea

[haughty folio]

at worst it's "fuck you, lethal case of fucknosis"

[paper oriole]

Preening, dust baths and wallowing could maybe keep parasites from swamp water and illness away

[cyan flame]

Spontaneous reaction. "It means that every time you take a shit, you lose a massive quantity of water". This could easily be lethal if you're low on water, and in a bad spot, and be nothing but a minor inconvinience if you are topped off. And assuming that "shitting" is done, let's say every 30 min perhaps, this could be a tool, especially then for troodon with their venom, to hunt something throughout the night, by forcing it to be worried about water and not just "hunker down" to wait out daylight.

Of course, this could all be entirely wrong, but if they wanted to add an effect, as an "extra", this is how I would do it. This could probably be done with shedding or similar idea as well, maybe makes slightly less sense, but the effect could be there.

[meager tiger]

I thought we wanted a insectivore tetadactyl

[paper oriole]

Rather than needing other dinos

[haughty folio]

clearly, something the size of a cat that flies around and doesn't interact with anyone is peak gameplay

[meager tiger]

Huh?

[haughty folio]

alright, let me put it this way then

[meager tiger]

I thought they were adding small dinosaurs already

[night ruin]

huge dragonfly time

[hoary dawn]

the effect is a neat idea, its just the execution of it being shit that i have an issue with

[urban flax]

The aforementioned cleaner would be AI

[haughty folio]

then what's the point of having parasites

[meager tiger]

Idk

Survival horror?

[haughty folio]

ah, yes, how terrifying

[paper oriole]

Leeches can supply horror, aside from that it seems like pure annoyance

[haughty folio]

I'm mildly inconvenienced by worms and need to wait for a bird to pick at my back

[meager tiger]

Couldn't I ask what is the point of water or food or nutrition

[urban flax]

Idk, I said I don't like the idea
If there is a reason for them to exist, a clear benefit to not have them and not make them just tedious and annoying, then they could be a good mechanic

[meager tiger]

I'm thinking like avoid sick animals kinda thing

And maybe the mercs or something can cure you

[urban flax]

But since parasites irl are annoying, tedious to get rid of and there is no benefit from getting rid of them other than being able to live normally I don't really see that happening

[cyan flame]

As you might remember from the last time, I tend to focus on the mechanics. If this is done with shedding or.. I don't know, just visual scent clouds, that's fine by me. I just enjoy the idea of long term tracking via some manner, and I could see the venom for troodon doing something like this to force vunerability, especially if the tenonto or so could otherwise just mow through the swarm. Shedding is an interesting idea, though I.. can see some cause for concern there too to be honest.

[haughty folio]

nutrition doesn't detract from gameplay, water brings people together to cause conflict, and food is incentive for people to fight

[meager tiger]

Ok

[haughty folio]

parasites exist to spite you

if there's AI to clean it up, it's mild irritation until the bots come to clean your back

[meager tiger]

Yeah I get it

How do parasites defer from natural disasters then

[haughty folio]

if it's players, you either make it dehabilitating enough for you to not kill the little shitters so they clean you off in which case you're hard pressured to have people play that asset and you're fucked if nobody is

[urban flax]

Natural disasters look cool

[meager tiger]

Lol nice quick comeback

Like it

[haughty folio]

or you make it mild enough that you don't need to rely on people playing that in which case you might as well kill them for the food

natural disasters are also shit

at least the kind that kill you by existing

[meager tiger]

You're against weather and disasters

?

[urban flax]

Natural disasters should be something that forces players to change they way of playing for their duration, in order to spice up their existence

[haughty folio]

"ah, yes, spawning in the middle of a wildfire as my first run of a server is good gameplay"

[meager tiger]

...

[night ruin]

I mean it'd be a hell of a way to start off a life

[haughty folio]

"ah, love getting struck by lightning while logging in"

[meager tiger]

It's a wild life survival game

It's not sunshine and rainbows

Lol

[night ruin]

Also if there is a wildfire active on a server just have it outlined on the spawn map so players can just choose to not spawn in the middle of it \

[urban flax]

We're not talking about lightning strikes but storms, floods, earthquakes, droughts...

[hoary dawn]

its been confirmed that lightning will not do damage

[haughty folio]

"clearly I should be punished randomly by having the screen shake"

[meager tiger]

Your lucky that we aren't mammals and stick food for winter

Stock

[night ruin]

Only some mammals do that

[paper oriole]

Unironically they should make it so lightning can kill people who are standing on metal structures during severe weather and only that

[meager tiger]

Well winter is winter

[night ruin]

Also it's a tropical island I doubt the winters would be that harsh even if they added seasons

[meager tiger]

The hardest season

I know they won't add seasons

[haughty folio]

droughts are pretty much the only weather condition that are tolerable

[gritty helm]

that's one way to exterminate those utah's

[meager tiger]

I was just telling that guy whose complaining about weather in a animal sim game

[urban flax]

Actually that, and only that would be fun
Or maybe make lightnings always strike in the same place like they do irl, so that when there is a thunderstorm you know that you should avoid that one specific spot

[meager tiger]

It's not sunshine and rainbows all day every day

[haughty folio]

there's a fine line between weather and "fuck you" mechanics

don't use it as a goddamn jumprope

[meager tiger]

Well lighting should cause fire sometimes

[urban flax]

Or decide you are Thor and don't fear thunder, then go at one of those spots and watch predators not dare to attack you

[meager tiger]

Not always

[night ruin]

I think floods would be interesting if they made the water rise slowly enough for smart players to get to high ground but fast enoug that if you ignore it you will drown

[paper oriole]

Like i wanna see a utah sitting on top of a building get absolutely microwave toasted by a lightning strike that would make my day

[meager tiger]

Flash floods

[haughty folio]

sure love logging in and being underwater in a location where I was very much not

[paper oriole]

Flooded areas can be predetermined

[haughty folio]

that's just drought with extra steps

[paper oriole]

So if you log out in a floodable spot its your own fault for taking the risk

[night ruin]

They could add a mechanic to move players to the nearest dry ground on login.

Or do what Mira said

[meager tiger]

Migraine if it's predetermined that ruins the whole immersion and surprise?

[haughty folio]

clearly surprise mechanics are the best mechanics it seems. have a lootbox that determines whether you live

[urban flax]

Roguelikes are based on randomness, yet they are pretty fun

[meager tiger]

Well you log in and spawn next to trex once in a while

Your point?

[haughty folio]

roguelikes are single player

[meager tiger]

Bad luck

Skeleton your only point is logging in into X situation

[hoary dawn]

as cool as it would be to have snake pass movement in the isle, that would be a coding nightmare and would be impossible to make titanoboa viable with

[haughty folio]

if you're spawning next to a Rex and getting fucked by that it's either hella bad luck or you didn't hide right

[meager tiger]

When it already happens

Yeah and if you log into a storm bad luck

[urban flax]

That doesn't change what randomness is
The point of natural disasters is that they affect everyone in the area, so it stays fair

[meager tiger]

Same diff

Mr Bones brings a point, weather affects everyone

[haughty folio]

ah, yes, decide my fate with a fucking roulette wheel why don'tcha

[urban flax]

Yes
Just think about how cool it will be, not about how it would work

[meager tiger]

You already do when you log out

[urban flax]

It's not deciding your fate if there is always something you can do about it, like in all the cases we talked about

[meager tiger]

You can spawn next to a trex anytime you log back in

Same diff

[haughty folio]

difference being that Rex isn't guaranteed to be already attacking/affecting you the second you log in

[meager tiger]

And the storm isn't a instakill

[haughty folio]

might as well be

[meager tiger]

You have time to make a move

How?

I think your just trolling at this point lol

[urban flax]

So your point is "natural disasters are shit if they instakill you, so make them instakill so they can properly be shit" ?

[meager tiger]

Hypocrit XD

[haughty folio]

a slow death brought about by RNG is and always will be worse than an instant death

[meager tiger]

Nah

[urban flax]

It's not a slow death
It's not death at all

You can react accordingly

[meager tiger]

You can survive a storm

[haughty folio]

explain to me how the fuck you survive logging into a fucking wildfire

[meager tiger]

Animals survive disasters

[haughty folio]

you are actively on fire

[meager tiger]

No

[urban flax]

That's a rather extreme example
And very unlikely to happen

[meager tiger]

Fire doesn't spontaneous combust a reptile

It's the smoke lol

You have time to run

Find shelter

[haughty folio]

congratu-fucking-lations doesn't change that you're still in the middle of a wildfire that you had no reason to think would be there on your location upon spawning in

[urban flax]

Also Mira's suggestion about having a map where you can see current natural disasters before you log in could work

[meager tiger]

I like that idea

[urban flax]

Or maybe a warning like "you are about to spawn in the middle of a wildfire. Do you wish to continue ?" would aslo work

[meager tiger]

Before you spawn it'll warn you about current disasters

[haughty folio]

ah, yes, because people will play on servers that have disasters going on

why did I never think of that

[urban flax]

Yes since every server will have them

[haughty folio]

not what I was saying

[meager tiger]

Or play a server with no diasters

I'll play a server with diasters

[haughty folio]

if given the choice to toggle I assure you people will choose the option that's less "difficult"

[meager tiger]

Uh have you ever played a video game

[haughty folio]

case in point being the 8 billion non-alt servers in legacy

[meager tiger]

People play hard difficulty

All the time

[urban flax]

Officials will have disasters enabled
Officials are better
So people will play on officials, with disasters enabled

[haughty folio]

the severe disconnect at hand is astonishing

[urban flax]

And the want who really want to not have them... well whatever

[meager tiger]

That's a totally different problem

[urban flax]

Because it happens on officials only ?

[meager tiger]

Mr Bones I think this guy is trolling

[haughty folio]

I wish I was because this is getting painful

[urban flax]

Well I don't mind wasting my time, and I try to not assume when someone is trolling or not

[meager tiger]

I know but he's bringing really weird points like whose gonna play a harder mode or spawning into X situation is bad design

When there's many solutions or people play harder games all the time

[haughty folio]

I've been in the community long enough to know that a vast number of the people who advocate for a harder game don't actually want the game to be harder for them

they want it to be harder for everything else so they can gloat about "how good they are"

[meager tiger]

Then why are they nutrition, poison, humans with guns,

That makes the game harder

[haughty folio]

they don't realize what that entails yet

remember when everyone advocated for small hunter Carno and it actually did its fucking job

[meager tiger]

Couldn't I say that about weather

[urban flax]

Or they like some challenge ? Because if players didn't like difficulty at all, then dark souls games wouldn't exist

[haughty folio]

news flash, this community ain't the dark souls community

[meager tiger]

Your missing the point

[haughty folio]

I can say the same for you

[urban flax]

Am I necessarily a hypocrit because I say I would like the game to be harder then ?

[meager tiger]

How old are you

[haughty folio]

far too fucking old sadly

[meager tiger]

Ok

[haughty folio]

old enough I shouldn't be getting unreasonably invested in this

[meager tiger]

Just making sure I'm not arguing with a 12 year old

Lol

[haughty folio]

yet here I am, limbo dancing with the devil

[meager tiger]

You ok?

[haughty folio]

I'll be fine

back on topic

people say they want the game to be harder, and then complain when it actually gets harder

[meager tiger]

Well actually I'm probably going to go. I'm going to work

Cya later skeleton

[urban flax]

And I'll be going to sleep, thanks timezones

[meager tiger]

Cya Mr Bones

[haughty folio]

and then there was one

fuck it back to sleep I go

[odd sedge]

Giga is already in pal

[vale pawn]

Gigantosauurs

[odd sedge]

Also, you have to give reasons for each creature.
Add x dinosaur is not something the devs will take into account

[paper oriole]

Adding carchar the literal giga clone with giga

“Spend tens of thousands of dollars adding these dinos with 0 reason”

Also cory would be a para clone

[hasty dagger]

I want the tawbosauwus in da game dawndi

[swift dew]

"and the famous turkey"

[paper oriole]

A giant gharial = a turkey?

[odd sedge]

“the famous turkey sarcosuchus“

cries in gator

[vale pawn]

sarchosuchus

[odd sedge]

Look at that Happy turkey

[paper oriole]

Look at all those chickens

[odd sedge]

= 🐔

[vale pawn]

le sarcho

[odd sedge]

Le chicken

[paper oriole]

Also he said he edited but theres no edit mark

[odd sedge]

[paper oriole]

That whole suggestion is cursed

[odd sedge]

There are so many things that just don't make any sense but I somehow love it

[night ruin]

I feel like you'd have to add a lot of gimmicks or tune the base mechanics for crocs to have any hope of another crocodilian being relevant against deino

Cause right now all the niches are filled by deino's growth stages

[paper oriole]

I feel like sarcho would just get bodied by deino unless one wended up being saltwater and one freshwater

[tawny juniper]

Sarco is deino reskin

except probably weaker

[paper oriole]

Puru better deino reskin

[tawny juniper]

The problem with saltwater creatures is they don't get any interaction with things that don't live on the coast

ofc they can

But player interaction between different species would be very limited

[paper oriole]

If we eventually have a decent coastal and marine roster as well as animals who can fish and browse both fresh and salt shores (maybe austro) the it wouldnt he a big issue

As well as a more inland stretching brackish wetlands maybe, along with mangroves

Pteranodon already can go without interacting with basically anybody and it's aight

[tawny juniper]

fair enough

[paper oriole]

Is this dude really advertising monster hunter in isle feedback

[silver zephyr]

What is that suggestion lul

Granted I do love that game

[barren zephyr]

yes

@fallow spoke Laggy =/= bad computer.
Lag is server wise. Bad PCs mean you have bad performance.

The Isle isn't going to run on older rigs anymore, and that's natural for all new/current games

[still raptor]

Isle has been stated in the past that it will run on higher end PC's before Evrima's release.

[abstract lark]

@barren zephyr what about a sigma

[hoary dawn]

@barren zephyr how many tears will it bring sigma

[meager tiger]

@steel dock the fish tank is like the only safe ish spot for baby crocs. But im afraid this latest update might turn even the fish tank into a clusterfuck blood bath

[karmic plank]

I love how active these feedback channels have been, hope Devs are taking the time to review them

[honest sparrow]

My favorite part of this entire situation is that people who defend the mechanics literally say to everyone else “I like shit”

[barren zephyr]

yeah defend something that is literally useless and will take thousands of dollars to make

Thanks

[paper oriole]

The best is the people who say “its not something i care about” or “i dont exactly like it either” but then they’ll spend like half an hour defending diarrhea animations

[swift shadow]

i had seen a Q&A that was done recently, i saw one of the developers saying they wished to see more Flyers in the game. is the only other flyer Quetz for now down the road or can we have ornithuciros or other kinds of winged lizards

[paper oriole]

Ornitho would be kinda a ptera clone, more pterosaurs for the two other factions would be nice though

Because as it stands only the carni faction has them, while herbi and omni have jack shit

[swift shadow]

are there decent sized herbi pterosaurs?

[hasty dagger]

Tupandactylus

[paper oriole]

A frugivorous tupandactylus has been a common subject

[swift shadow]

and quetz was a omni or carno?

[icy lion]

if youre talking irl though, im not aware of any that werent obligate carnivores

carni

[paper oriole]

Carni

Azhdarchids are all carnivores afaik

Thalasso could he a good candidate for an omnivorous flyer as well idk

[swift shadow]

id love to have a tapijara pterasaur

[paper oriole]

Tape is tiny

Tupan

[swift shadow]

Tupandactylus i ment sorry

[paper oriole]

Yeah

They do look very alike but tupan is almost ptera sized so he would he perfect, not too small to be useful in the ecosystem

[swift shadow]

there are some pretty cool ones that would be fun

i agree with that

[paper oriole]

There are a lot of cool pteros like hasandong and ornitho who wohld unfortunately probablt play too close to ptera's role

I especially like hasan

[swift shadow]

that one reminds me of a metal, badass verson of a brown pelican i love it

[paper oriole]

He's pretty gnarly

[swift shadow]

new favorite for sure

id love to see that in game killing the bigger life. whats its size?

[paper oriole]

Speculated wingspan of around 14ft

[feral solstice]

I honestly want that as a Quetz skin even though it’s small

[swift shadow]

so double petras size. that would be a good fit. but not herbi which to me is tolerable but still unfair ish

[feral solstice]

Just a giant mf Hasandong

[icy lion]

14ft is 4.3m

smaller than ptera but not minuscule like a lot of the other guys

[paper oriole]

A toothed pterosaur who could bully other flyers out of the sky by ripping at their wings would be kinda badass

As long as it isnt some fisher clone

[feral solstice]

So

Essentially

[icy lion]

itd be cool but a flyer with bleed sounds cursed

dont say it

[feral solstice]

A ptera that adapted and leans to more land based hunting

[paper oriole]

It could he unique, tho i think an omni/herbi ptero would be noce first before another carni

[icy lion]

oh

[swift shadow]

true. and thanks for correction its not brain time for me tonight

[paper oriole]

Lmao imagine the trolling with bleeder pteros

[icy lion]

all good, feet conversions are rough lol, i have to google it all the time

[swift shadow]

a flock swarming a rex lol

[paper oriole]

Reapplying bleed against people who were fighting and killing them even better than skilled pteras do now

[icy lion]

yea bleeder flyers could be super fun and are an untapped resource but maybe theyre untapped for a reason

[feral solstice]

Dryo just fucking runs away and a bleeder ptera decides to yeet itself at the dryo to worsen its regen just because

[icy lion]

especially when wallow's effect is removed when you take new bleed damage

[paper oriole]

If there was a way to just make them inflict more of a stun against other flyers with their actual bleed being minuscule it could work but it would look pretty wonky to see something with those teeth not inflicting good bleed

[feral solstice]

Honestly it would be better if taking bleed damage at a certain weight will cause nothing.

[icy lion]

yea, but at the same time you might want to add that to all bleed for consistency and that could throw bleed completely out of whack

its a fun idea though

and could very well work with lots more tuning

[feral solstice]

Ineeed

Indeed

[paper oriole]

That too, it is kinda dumb that like a baby raptor can bleed a 6-8 ton animal with bites and whatnot, hasan or another toothy ptero could just be useless against large animals

But that would require rework of bleed

[valid zephyr]

I love the idea of certain animals throwing the trend and being the other way around. Cerato and Ovi are two where I'd like to see brighter females with larger crests.

[azure wadi]

So like cassowaries

[valid zephyr]

Yeah pretty much.

[azure wadi]

I’m not entirely sure how that kind of sexual dimorphism benefits a species but hey, it’s a video game and who am I to question the biology of a bird who can gut me with its claws

So yeah, I wouldn’t mind if ovi males were a bit less bright with smaller crests, I mean it’s very similar to cassowaries already

[valid zephyr]

It's the same with hyenas. The females are a lot larger and more powerful than the males.

Though I'm against size or stat dimorphism, showing it with crests or colours would be nice.

[azure wadi]

Thank god im not a hyena, being a male hyena is probably one of the worst animals you can be

[valid zephyr]

Yeah their life is really rough.

[pulsar lake]

Flesh graze honestly is some kind of a bad idea, even if I was for it back in the days.

Like, animals that flesh graze should almost kill anything their size in the 2 shots or possibly 1 with bleed.

And that's for balancing a possible abuse that's feeding on your partners.

Reduced damages, multiples players with you, feeding each other body parts.

But they could just also make locked health a thing with flesh graze.

[oak tapir]

@tidal star we hate legacy giga mains, nobody hates giga as an animal#

[ember egret]

anyone else got an update?

[visual patrol]

Yes but it’s an update to steam,so I’ve been told

[strange wave]

incorrect
fuck giga

[azure wadi]

^fuck giga

[barren zephyr]

why what’s wrong with it

[strange wave]

its giga

[barren zephyr]

^ a cool animal

[hoary dawn]

giga is the coolest carnivore apex in the game

[barren zephyr]

^ see this guy is cool

[bleak atlas]

@visual patrol carni flesh grazing would be way to exploitable and allow easy micpacking. The Herbis will just feed the carnis and they will stay with them

[visual patrol]

Ideally I’d only like it to apply for massive herbis like sauropods

And only a few species could do it

[urban flax]

Herrera is soft confirmed to have flesh grazing

[bronze vault]

So oilyarm posted “I feel like adults should be able to carry babies-juvies of the same species in their mouth, depending o the size of the baby-juvie. This would make it easier for groups that has baby or juvies to stay on the move as they won't have to stop and wait for the juvies and babies.” So I just wanted to comment on it. This would be a great mechanic for the game, and one that could improve the game by a decent margin. It has one flaw tho, if we could pick up members of our own species, that may just end up benefiting cannibalism by a large margin, the pick up should be consensual, kind of like the current grouping mechanic. The baby could also choose when to be dropped, as would the adult. This would be to prevent mixpacking, as an adult could just pick up a baby and use it as a sacrifice to whatever it’s mixpacking with. Thanks if you read my massive paragraph :/

[drifting radish]

the whole thing with cannibals rn is bc there isnt always anything else to hunt. on any other cicumtance were there more then 3 carnivores, there'd be marignally less cannibalistic patterns

also, i dunno if u know this, but the whole reason we have the herpes virus is bc we ate a relative of ours way out on the planes years ago lol

[hasty dagger]

I don’t really see the need for cannibalism debuffs beyond just normal stuff for not following your diet either, but it’s not like it changes anything

Regardless of if you give cannibals specific punishments or just general ones it’s still punishment.

[cyan flame]

Well the debuff is to prevent eating your own kind, which at least has the benefit of making it so you can't sustain your own pack by your losses as easily at least.

On the other hand, a species having it's own kind as a diet requirement concerns me a little, since that could let them survive just fine if they're the only ones around

[rain vector]

Yeah the reason there's a lot of cannibals in evrima is because there's not to many playables, cannibalism happens in legacy and people don't complain about it because its less noticeable so when we ever get more playables they'll be punishing pvp in a pvp game. say if i'm starving and i can only find one other carno- i get punished for killing it to not starve and get debuffed so i'm potentially worse at pvp?? makes no sense

[sacred moat]

I do see a concerning amount of people equate cannibalism to simply killing your own species for fun. Eating your own species because you’re hungry =/= killing people for the fun of it. Sure now we can’t eat our own species. But that’s not going to stop me or anyone one else from killing our own species for the fun of doing so

[paper oriole]

cannibalism should only be punished when a player does it regularly honestly, like at the point where it's obviously intentional

[cyan flame]

It's a survival game with PvPvE, nothing more or less.

[drifting radish]

yeah, im not saying add like huge debilitaing cannibals debuffs or anything, but it'd still follow the diet system. worst comes to worst u have to utah a juvie or smth it wont kill you off haha. It still happened in legacy, but on a smaller scale, where if it were a body down from your pack and you got said body, or you were starving. but evrima just does it better bc its a lot easier when there barely anything else around

[cyan flame]

Please remember that fighting, while a good part, is not the only part, and that other things are also there and has to be taken into account

[rain vector]

Yes so you shouldn't be punished for playing said survival game by pvping

[drifting radish]

yeah! i agree with that. prolonged/often use of it

[paper oriole]

birds and reptiles generally dont give a fuck about cannibalism and herbivores are going to remain a minority in the playerbase most likely so cannibalism should be what-ever

[cyan flame]

I imagine if you spend all your time eating your own, you'll suffer. If you occassonally do it for survival, you'll be just fine.

Diets after all

[rain vector]

yeah so once we do have more play ables cannibalism will be less noticeable in evrima so there shouldn't be any debuffs in the future if we ever get those 50+ dinos

[paper oriole]

i heard its going to affect fertility or something which is fine imo, but it shouldnt really punnish beyond that

[cyan flame]

Could just make it so valuable to follow diet and bad if you do not, that even if you can survive just fine on your own, no "debuff", you just don't get any buffs so you'll be weaker

There you go, you're not punished, you're just not playing optimally

[drifting radish]

some dinos (like i think they said cera? and dieno) would be ok with eating their own kind, others however, should not be.

[paper oriole]

pretty sure there was irl evidence of utahraptor canibalism, not that it counts for the isle

tyrannosaurs also dont care

[rain vector]

Why not then if its like legacy in the future and there's more dinos then you shouldn't have any debuffs at all in the future for eating others of your own kind occasionally

[cyan flame]

I think very few species should want to eat their own kind, after all, we do want an ecosystem and all that. Sure, maybe it can just be neutral food, but that's about it.

[drifting radish]

^^

[sacred moat]

That’s the thing, a lot of people don’t actually eat your body they just kill you and go about their day. A good portion of people wanting there to be cannibalism punishments are pushing this as a main solution to stop people from attacking their own species

[drifting radish]

biodiversity dab dab

and diets, too

[paper oriole]

neutral food, if it's done in excess it will make you infertile or some other grouping related debuff

[cyan flame]

@rain vectorYou'll not get debuffed for doing so every now and then, it's part of the diets. If you keep a good diet, you're solid. Eating your own every now and then if you have no better food is not going to suddenly make you utter trash. It's only if you fail to keep your diet that you'll grow weaker.

[cyan flame]

Well, you'll have to spend your time getting your proper diet, or grow weak and die. Spending time hunting for said diet, is time not spent hunting your own I guess.

[drifting radish]

its like you eating just other humans all the time right? not healthy, but if you did it one off it'd be more ok. always best to have a wide and large spread diet then a small, closed off one

but if you ate other ppl all the time, thats where the issue is

[paper oriole]

doesnt human meat only afflict you with the illness if you eat certain parts like the brain or liver

[sacred moat]

What’s stopping me and my friends from killing a teno, then running off to clap another utah

[paper oriole]

and yeah people will still kfs if it's easy enough to do

[cyan flame]

The fact that you'll probably A, need more than a teno, and B, nothing except you still have to get another teno in a while, to keep your diet up.

[drifting radish]

i think so! I know the brain for sure would like insta kill u, but i think the liver like alright?

[paper oriole]

nothing is gonna stop an allo from running into the woods to kill some magy it heard and then go back to its life

[rain vector]

Yeah but cannibalism shouldn't be a thing at all in a future tho once we have more dinos in evrima then legacy because it'd be less noticeable because more would just eat the other dinos is what i'm saying. tl:dr would be pretty useless for major debuffs of cannibalism when we have 50+ dinos in evrima and you should be able to eat same species.

[cyan flame]

But yes, you can obviously still go on to hunt your own every now and then, nothing stopping that.

[sacred moat]

T h i s

[feral solstice]

Cannibalism debuffs are fine. Like, it’ll only be severe if you continue eating your own species. If it comes that you have to eat your own species, you’ll suffer debuffs, yes, but that’s only one cannibalism incident. You won’t sufffer severe consequences if you continue to follow your diet afterwards

[drifting radish]

^^

[cyan flame]

I think you will be able to, again, most temporarily. But it's not a good thing if you can sustain yourself of your fallen pack, or only your own kind around. That if anything would encourage people to just be one thing, since hey, they get good diet from it.

[sacred moat]

If teno is Utah preferred diet, and we get full off the body, there’s still nothing stopping me and my friends from killing another Utah for fun and leaving its body for compys to eat

[feral solstice]

Cannibalism makes you sick, but it’s a last resort of food isn’t plentiful

Plus I doubt there will be much cannibalism once the update drops due to people trying to make their growth as fast as possible

There will be gang wars prob for food

That’s about it

[cyan flame]

You'll need more than just teno, there's three nutrients, and I imagine you need a full stomach, so you'll probably keep at it. But again, yes, you can do so. I didn't say it would stop you entirely, I said it would at least encourage you to go off and get tenos every now and then. Instead of being just fine on the utahs you killed.

[feral solstice]

^

I think some bodies will have more nutrients, while others will have more lipids, and so on

[cyan flame]

@sacred moatAlso keep in mind, it's not just "lets go over and get that utah". I mean, unless it just stands there I guess. Same with the teno or something else. I imagine you'll have to actually spend some time and effort hunting, so.. where do you want to spend that time?

[feral solstice]

It’s more then that now

It’s like

[sacred moat]

It takes about 30 seconds to kill a Utah as another Utah

[feral solstice]

“Let’s go over and get that Utah, and afterwards let’s plan to find other food”

[cyan flame]

Ah yes, pin pounce is still a thing. Well, here's to hoping that changes. Also even so, you need to find one, get to it, and get the pounce/kill. You do get what I'm saying right, there'll be time constraints most likely. And you'll need more than teno, most likely. So there's probs 2-3 food sources you need, and you most likely don't want to fill your stomach with just one, but make sure you get from all of them to keep your nutrients up.

[cyan flame]

My point is that at some point you'll need to break off and get the other, proper food, or you will grow weaker. You can't just constantly hunt your own and be perfectly fed and happy that way. :p

[feral solstice]

Pins won’t change

Filipe said it will continue to be a pin without bucking

But

He said he’s nerfing it’s stam

When it comes to pinning

[cyan flame]

I think Hypno said something about counter to pin

[feral solstice]

I think

[feral solstice]

Maybe for Pachy? Idk

[cyan flame]

No, universal counter I think

[silver zephyr]

yeah hypno said it would probably be universal if anything

[cyan flame]

#isle-discussion message
#isle-discussion message

... Okay, not the best way to do it I'm sure but :p

Pin with no counter is .. not the best mechanic far as I'm concerned. It's just bad that there's nothing to do, especially as another utah or similar. I can get a dryo not being able to do much but similar size and all, you should be able to at least inflict some damage in return or something.

[paper oriole]

what does this person mean by "anything"? omnivore cera? that would look weird. I think it is already planned to basically be fine with any protein source

like rotting carcasses, any animal

[compact hare]

There wouldnt be weaker examples, since they would be able to eat everything and get the nutrients
Which is a problem

[hoary dawn]

a bit late to the party but there should not be a cannibalism debuff idk why so many people want one

[carmine path]

Your name is why

[hoary dawn]

I alwa

[vale pawn]

Be

[carmine path]

Classic

[hoary dawn]

i cant think of a single good reason there should be a cannibalism debuff instead of just using natural mechanics to encourage/discourage it with certain animals

[cyan flame]

Mechanics such as? :p

[hoary dawn]

just make it not do anything for your diet or at most effect your diet negatively so you have to catch up by eating more diet food

[hasty dagger]

Cannibalism should just use the normal diet debuffs, I don’t see why it specifically has to have certain punishments ^

[hoary dawn]

your stats should not be effected

[cyan flame]

That's.. exactly what's implemented?

Or will be, I guess

[hoary dawn]

that is how it should be

debuff implies it lowers a stat/stats, which it should not do

[cyan flame]

Well, bad diet = bad stats

Good diet = good stats

[carmine path]

I think its a good thing. After the removal of group chats, Discord Groups have a far easier time coordinating and killing their own than regular packs because they have the advantage pf being able to communicate without it being seen by the other dinos. To combat this instead of hunting the same species you hunt others that can’t see the chat in general

[feral solstice]

I mean

[cyan flame]

So.. if eating your own does not yield any useful nutrients, then you'll just get bad stats, just as if you eat anything else bad

[feral solstice]

If you take away the debuffs

That kinda just

Means they’re not for your diet

So it’s basically the same thing

[hoary dawn]

that's an issue with discord coordinated megapacks and mixpacks, not cannibalism

[carmine path]

They go hand and hand my friend

[feral solstice]

So

[cyan flame]

Keep your nutrients high = good stats. If eating x and y is bad, then thy're bad. No matter if that's your own kind or something else. Could always just add the infertility and muscle spasms if you really screw over your diet entirely.

[feral solstice]

^

Don’t understand why it’s a bad thing, it’s literally saying “yo this ain’t your diet. Don’t go after your friends”

[hoary dawn]

^^^^

[feral solstice]

And punishes you severely for continuously hunting your own species

[feral solstice]

I’m agreeing why cannibalism debuffs is good lol

[hoary dawn]

its not a debuff

[cyan flame]

It kind of is?

[feral solstice]

It is

[hoary dawn]

i wouldn't call it one

[carmine path]

Literally a debuff

[cyan flame]

If the utah biteforce of 55N is with bad diets

Then that's what you get if you don't eat good food.

[feral solstice]

^

[cyan flame]

You get your normal stats with proper food, you get shit stats without

[feral solstice]

If you decide it’s a good idea to hunt your own species, you’ll suffer

[cyan flame]

Thats why mixing/megapacking would be less powerful

[feral solstice]

But

[cyan flame]

Because you can't mix and feed everyone good food, or megapack and feed everyone full nutrients cause lack of food

[feral solstice]

If time has basically said fuck you, and you have to eat a member of your species, then do it

You’ll be punished, but it’s not like its permanent

[cyan flame]

It's a sliding scale, so you won't suddenly be infertile or start spasming because you're getting slightly lower on your nutrients..

At least I doubt you will..

And having prime food all the time is probably hard at that

So I doubt you'll always run at max stats, more that you will want to and thus strive to get that good food, and prevent everyone else from getting it :p

[feral solstice]

It’s basically in real life. If you’re starving, eat a bunch of berries. It may not have the necessary components required to fulfill your daily diet, but it’ll give you a boost so you can prolong starvation and survive

And hopefully find food that can actually give you the calories

just don’t think the berries can keep you akive

Alive

Cannibalism debuffs encourage you to move around and find “actual” food that can fulfill your diet.

[hoary dawn]

i would only consider it a debuff if it actively takes away progress on diets, and not just stunting it

[feral solstice]

Well if your stats are being decreased temporarily because you did something, it’s a debuff.

What, do you consider on Minecraft, being hit by a potion of poison isnt a debuff?

[hoary dawn]

like say dryo isn't in your preferred prey, and you eat one. your diet doesn't benefit from it but it doesn't get harmed either, its just food to fill your stomach. same should apply with your own species

[carmine path]

You also have to remember the Devs said it would be hell to recover from debuffs

[feral solstice]

Also remember eating your own species as a bandaid fix to your starvation doesn’t mean you’re considered a cannibal.

So I doubt you’ll be debuffed for eating your species once

[hoary dawn]

cannibalism is cannibalism

[feral solstice]

If anything

actually you probably will be debuffed

But not as bad as actively eating your species

[tawny juniper]

Some creatures are supposed to be cannibals

like cera and deino

[cyan flame]

@hoary dawnI imagine it's more that you constantly lose nutrients, and if you fill your stomach with something that gives you nothing, then you will inevitably lose out on stats in the long run.

That would be a passive effect, I don't know if they might add a more active detriment as well, but I imaigne it would be more that the lower your nutrients go, the worse your situation is

[hoary dawn]

the way i understand it is your nutrients levels slowly go down, increasing growth time and decreasing strength
eating diet foods increases your nutrients levels, making your growth time shorter and keeping up your strength
eating non-diet foods do not do anything to your nutrients levels and only fill your stomach

not eating specifically what is in your diet does not actively harm you, but it could spend time that you could otherwise be using to get your nutrients higher

[feral solstice]

Well if you’re starving and that’s the only option, you won’t suffer many debuffs

But if that’s not an option

And you have a pack member

Or there’s a member of your species nearby..

Gonna have to suffer to stay alive

[cyan flame]

Could have good, bad, and neutral food.

If they do need a "debuff" of some kind

[hoary dawn]

having food that does harm your diet would make sense, i assume that's gonna be things like poisonous mushrooms and bad animals

[feral solstice]

and your same species

[hoary dawn]

why tho

[bronze vault]

Bc realism

[cyan flame]

Because they don't want most critters to eat their own I guess. But yes, having both good, neutral, and bad food in general makes sense. So there's options, and you only eat things that will drain your nutrients or something if it's that or starvation.

[feral solstice]

I mean why not

[cyan flame]

As for if your own species should be part of that, I gues that's very subjective.. :p