general-feedback-discussion

[pulsar lake]

Utah having less than Tenonto is the same.

However, it should cost more to do the stun attacks.

And possibly do less damages.

[karmic plank]

I'll collate all this up, but so far for teno: slam 400 dam, kick 300, claw 200, bite 110

they both have 2k hp so 5 slams will kill both teno and carno if they are all body shots

[pulsar lake]

After, thing is that Tenonto must be able to survive a Carno encounter and not be a free food.

With 400 damages it does 1600

Carno must go somewhere else as it is badly injured.

As a simple claw attack must kill it then.

[maiden anvil]

God day all lovely people!

[pulsar lake]

Thx

You 2

[maiden anvil]

😄

I think teno matchup with carno and Utha is just right. Sometimes I even fear uthas more then carnos because pounce

Anyway..

I’d like to talk about something

[karmic plank]

4 slams and a claw won't quite kill a carno

that's only 1800 dam, they have 2000 hp

[pulsar lake]

Oh

Thought they had like 1800

But if no then uh, I wonder if Carno wouldn't still try to kill it.

But anyway I agree with Arvid on that.

[sonic cloud]

A group of 3 Utah’s if skilled are certainly capable of scaring a carno

[pulsar lake]

Fight is most of the time a close encounter that depends of the player.

[maiden anvil]

And a teno

[sonic cloud]

4+ and Carno better fuck off really

No not really

[maiden anvil]

It?

[karmic plank]

deino, teno, carno headshots are all 1.5x damage too, stegos are about 2.25x

[maiden anvil]

Not*

[sonic cloud]

Nope

[pulsar lake]

Wtf

Anyway Stego is to buff

Give it more HP

And fucking swing that does to its shoulder.

[maiden anvil]

Hp is about right. It weighs about 6 tones

Deino how ever needs a damage buff once larger creatures enters the game

[pulsar lake]

Should be much more HP wise given the current damages of all animals.

[sonic cloud]

Good way to tell if a Carno is bad or not is if get regularly hunted by Teno’s. Mistakes happen and even good players make mistakes when hunting a teno as a Carno. But reverse the situation and only bad/inexperienced Carnos actively get hunted by Tenonto’s

[pulsar lake]

Like, hell I'd say everything should have twice HP than their weight mass.

Also Stego hp are like 4000

[sonic cloud]

^Good litmus test for Carno skill

[pulsar lake]

Which is fucking ridiculous.

Stego in this roster is underpowered and you cannot deny it.

[maiden anvil]

Oh… well then it should definitely get a hp buff. Thought it first was 6k

[karmic plank]

stegos have 3500 hp 4000 hp

[pulsar lake]

[maiden anvil]

I hope stego gets 6 000 hp ones larger animals comes

And deino would get a stronger bite then it currently has

Oh… I thought all this time I was in isle discussion channel lol. My bad >_>

[karmic plank]

deino bite is 500, alt-bite is 750 (edit: 625)

I thought all this was valid for this channel, maybe maybe noit

#isle-discussion is a bit too busy for technical discussion

[tepid gate]

This isn't correct - Deinosuchus does 75% of Utah's health upon landing a headshot. I've tested it both with an alt bite and with a normal bite. Both did exactly 50% when I landed them on the body and 75% when I hit the head of the Utah.

I wouldn't be surprised if there was some additional factor or if the game displayed wrong numbers but when i tested both alt bite's and normal bites damage they were both dealing exactly the same damage both for Carnos and Deinos.

[limber hull]

@urban jacinth it's not coming back

[urban jacinth]

welp i guess when efvrima is done im done with the isle then unfortunately 😦

Also, kind of a weird decision to not have a global chat in an online game.

[limber hull]

i think it's perfectly valid for the kind of game they want

many online games don't use global chat for good reason, to keep immersion and stop metagaming

[tepid gate]

How does removing global chat stop metagaming?

Global chat is just about the last place where metagaming is created - it happens on discords

[limber hull]

it... stops people from telling everyone in the game whatever info they so please

[tepid gate]

That... almost never happens in the game? It almost always happens on discord

be it this discord or discord of specific groups where they test stuff on their private servers

[limber hull]

i played legacy and i fucking HATED global. It was a place for exceptional toxicity and really only made sense in sandbox

i'd be fine with global, but only in sandbox

[tepid gate]

I've played legacy too and couldn't care less about the global

If you have a problem with it on the community servers - swap to group chat if you don't want to read that

[limber hull]

it was a good choice, when the T-Rex types "oh dw, I'm friendly uwu" it completely ruins the immersion and just takes me right out

[tepid gate]

Then don't read it?

[limber hull]

i tried that

[tepid gate]

Literally press on group chat and you won't have to see it?

[limber hull]

an admin kept talking to me until i switched to global

kept spamming public announcements

[tepid gate]

Why was an admin talking to you on global?

[limber hull]

"Wavepoole switch to global"

[tepid gate]

You do know they can still spam those public announcements in Evrima still?

And it seems like you've had some bad experience with a specific server - just don't play on it if you have such issues.

[limber hull]

yep, but they won't be using it to tell me to switch to global

[tepid gate]

They will still spam them at you all the same so I don't see what difference it makes

Going by this logic I really disliked Utah in the legacy as they just sit on the crates and take up slots on the server - can we have it removed from the game altogether because I don't like them?

My question precisely ^

[limber hull]

lets put it this way. Global is gone. No more "any utah groups?", you have to actually find other utahs. No more "I'm friendly, don't attack", you have to friendly call and hope they don't try to fucking kick your ass. No more talking to other species across the map via some magic mindpower, you now actually need to find players if you want to talk to them. It adds immersion to a game about playing a dinosaur, not chatting about what you had for lunch.

[tepid gate]

It makes the game more dull and boring if anything - again if you had a problem with the stuff you saw on global chat either report it or don't read it.

The game was supposed to be more flexible for the community servers where they were supposed to play it any way they wanted to - removing global chat from the game altogether is the very opposite of that.

[limber hull]

I've found so much more fun from it. Finally finding a pack of my own is so sick, it also makes the other creatures seem scarier. I can't understand what they're saying, but they could be discussing how best to kick my ass so I'll stay careful.

And again, just add global to sandbox servers. It is a sandbox after all

[sonic cloud]

People who brought this game to “chat to friends” simply brought the wrong game

[tepid gate]

It's... exactly the same as it was as far as I'm concerned? I bump into some dinosaurs of my kind and either kill them or join them. That's how it was in the legacy and that's how it is in Evrima.

[limber hull]

so global's removal changes nothing

lmao

[tepid gate]

It does?

It just doesn't change it in the way you're describing it

People who bought this game to chat with friends will still chat with friends just fine - they simply use discord for that.

[limber hull]

EXACTLY

We still HAVE discord

to quote the OG suggestion

Please add global chat to evrima. It makes it difficult to talk with friends if they're a different dino

They can just use discord

[tepid gate]

I don't care about what the suggestion says, I'm addressing your points which are completely wrong and utterly untrue.

"Metagaming" being created on global chat

[limber hull]

yep

[tepid gate]

might just be the biggest joke I've heard in a while

[limber hull]

absolutely did happen when i was playing Legacy

to the point admins had to actually police it

and they still kept doing it lmao

[tepid gate]

I think you might be misunderstanding the words you're using - what do you think metagaming is exactly?

[limber hull]

Revealing information to players they otherwise would not, or should not, have

[tepid gate]

That's... not metagaming?

[limber hull]

what the fuck is

lmao

that's LITERALLY what it is

[tepid gate]

Meta - Most effective tactic available: it's stuff like knowing that you could bite Stego's thagomizer as a Carno in update 2. It's knowing how much time you have to spend pouncing another animal to bleed it out. That's metagaming. What you're describing is just location dropping which people can still do - via discord, where you will have 0 idea that someone is letting others know about where you are.

Meaning that it's "LITERALLY" not what metagaming is.

[limber hull]

that's meta

not metagaming

two different terms

similar in sound, yes, different in context, absolutely

[tepid gate]

^
that is metagaming. You dropping someone'c location in global chat isn't metagaming at all. You telling someone how to kill an animal they are fighting IS metagaming.

[limber hull]

let me just

bring up the definition

Metagame, Hypergame, or game about the game, is an approach to a game that transcends or operates outside of the prescribed rules of the game, uses external factors to affect the game, or goes beyond the supposed limits or environment set by the game.

In the context of a dinosaur survival game, with the rules provided by the developers, there should be no way you should know a dilo is halfway across the map. Global chat was removed for the very reason if it breaking the rules of the game.

[tepid gate]

^

[limber hull]

in my experience, it absolutely is, but sure

[tepid gate]

Namedropping someone's location out of spite is not metagaming, it's called being unable to lose and trying to break the rules on most servers. It's not like that doesn't happen with discord being a thing now that global chat is gone. Matter of fact it's worse because with global at least I know that someone is giving out my location. When they do that via discord it's 10 times worse. Same goes for any megapacks and mixpacks.

They are a non-issue if they use global chat. They are absolutely unbearable when they use discord.

[weak dune]

Honestly it is pretty stupid that they removed the ability to make global chat available on literally any server at all.

If admins want to run their survival servers with global chat on, let them and just don't play survival servers with global chat enabled. The game doesn't have to cater to your playstyle and yours only.

[tepid gate]

^

I've played for the first 700 hours or so on officials. They were fun but afterwards I went to the servers with global chat enabled and found them more entertaining. I've spoken around a dozen of times on global chat in Evrima since it came out but I still liked to read what other people were saying. If someone doesn't like that - don't read it, it's not that hard.

[weak dune]

I mean also if the issue is stuff like "people will start mix-packing" and such... already happens. No global chat hasn't stopped that. Only thing its stopped is being able to have an actual conversation with other players who feel more like vibing than KOSing.

[karmic plank]

It might have been an accidental headshot, but it was definitely 75% damage.

[karmic plank]

Testing for deino bit and alt bit damage was against a stego body. I scteencapped the log further up

[tepid gate]

It probably was an accidental headshot I'd say. When I altbit a Utah it took 50% of its health.

Yea I found those numbers from the log very weird

[karmic plank]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/423939730544132096/872424699412500560/unknown.png

[tepid gate]

because they suggest very uneven numbers which I don't think the devs would put in

[karmic plank]

The innacuracies are because there is some healing before the heal command

[tepid gate]

I do remember some people speaking about the log making some mistakes at one point but I'm not entirely sure what could be causing that

[karmic plank]

So it goes bite -> half a second of healing -> admin heal

Hence not a nice round figure

And it absolutely wasn't a headshot, because that is confirmed 2x multiplier for stego

[tepid gate]

In both of those cases it seems to suggest that Deino deals over 500 damage I think

Oh no, neither of those was a headshot

that's for sure

[karmic plank]

Against a stego - and I didn't test it against anything else - normal bite dealt 500 and alt bite dealt 750 (edit: actually 625)

It was aimed in middle of body so I don't see how it could of hit anything else

[tepid gate]

If alt bite dealt 750 damage you would be oneshotting a Utah with it on a headshot, just fyi.

Try headshotting a Utah when you have the chance if you kill it with one bite then it does deal 750 damage indeed but in my experience it only took 75% of Utah's health.

[karmic plank]

Alt bite may get an extra boost against large targets, or it may not get headshot multiplier, I'll need to do more testing

Oh, I just looked at the numbers again - I'm an idiot. It's 1.25x damage for alt bites, not 1.5x

[karmic plank]

So 625 damage, or 937.5 to a Utah with headshot

Hence why you can't 1-shot them.

[tepid gate]

Interesting

How much % of health did Utah have after you hit it?

[karmic plank]

25% from a normal bite, but that was with my helper biting, and I can't be certain that it was a body shot

I think they clipped the head with the edge of the bite hitbox, which is a lot wider than you might expect

[molten tulip]

Id want the rolling to get rid of raptors pouncing you to be a perk tbh

Same with feign limping

[karmic plank]

Rolling to get rid of pouncers, using a perk slot, is an interesting idea @molten tulip, but it would be very strong and the alternatives would need to be equally strong

[molten tulip]

I think it would be less op if it started with a drop phase that lasts a decent amount of time, that tells the raptors "jump off now or you're going to get rolled on"

And if they don't they deserve the consequences

[karmic plank]

Yeah, that would make it pretty balanced actually - and of course you couldn't follow with an immediate attack like you could with bucking

It would be pretty funny to smush a Utah as a stego like that

[molten tulip]

With the wallow animation

instant utah pancake

[karmic plank]

Yup, a faster version without the spread eagle bellyrub though

A good Utah would just jump off and go for headbites, so it would be pretty situational

Speaking of which, I want a perk that lets you lay down like the start of the wallow

[molten tulip]

Yeah my only concern is if the utah just jumps off like a smart person, if they'll just get a huge amount of free hits

Would kind of make the perk useless

[karmic plank]

The roll speed and cancel speed could be tuned to get that right I think

[molten tulip]

Yeah

[karmic plank]

Maybe it could also let you slam up against trees to smush a pounced utah

Providing you were at least 2x the utahs weight (or have the damage scale with your weight, which the roll should really do too)

[molten tulip]

If youre under a certain weight you shouldn't be able to roll at all

In the future if trodden or other tiny raptors get pounces it could be a dynamic restraint

Troodon

[karmic plank]

Velo would have to get pounce too, and I think there's a few other therapods with those oversized slashing claws isn't there?

[molten tulip]

Yeah

[tawny juniper]

@fierce robin It isn't coming back.

[teal parrot]

Your idea about tail swiping and grab biting.

[paper oriole]

Tail swiping would look janky as hell on most dinos

[teal parrot]

Grab biting is what I really liked. But more than grab biting, I like the idea of charged bites. Aka, holding left mouse button makes ur dino open its mouth up in preparation to bite, and releasing makes the bite actually happen. So you could still make these little snap bites like now, but you could also make more accurate bites by holding the mouth open till the opportune moment to chomp. Charging the bite would not increase the bite force tho, the longer you charged the bite, it would make the bite slightly weaker. Like, there would be a hill curve where a tiny snap would do basic bite force, a charge time of up to half a second would do SLIGHTLY more damage, and everything longer than that damage would start to fall off due to jaw fatigue from being held open.

[barren zephyr]

pog

[teal parrot]

What in the world is pog?

[feral solstice]

Play of the game

[icy lion]

no

its from pogchamp

[tepid gate]

I think it's an interenet slang expression of something being good/nice/cool.

[icy lion]

its pretty much become synonymous with "cool"

[feral solstice]

Didn’t pogchamp originate from play of the game

Guess not

[icy lion]

dont think so

[teal parrot]

Wow what would play of the game even mean? That makes no grammatical sense. Lol

[icy lion]

its from overwatch

[feral solstice]

Play of the game is like an epic moment

That’s it lol

[teal parrot]

Oooh I get it now

[tepid gate]

Apparently "pog" comes from a game called "Pogs Championship" which was played by the person who's on that emote.

[teal parrot]

PLAY of the game.

Like the winning play

[feral solstice]

Yeah

[feral solstice]

Pog has a lot of meaning to it apparently

It says it’s “play of the game” (which it originally came from Overwatch) then some guy made a face and it got way more popular

Then it became the great Pogchamp

[safe galleon]

well people say potg in ow

[urban flax]

@solar latch You do know discord overlay can be deactivated at will, right ?

[hybrid matrix]

Well its better than nothing

[solar latch]

No Ik but I’m saying that people talk in discord vocally and their dinosaur in game doesn’t make noise

So I’m saying use discord to capture what you’re saying and have the dinosaurs make noise based on that

So that I can’t have a whole conversation in discord if I’m using it and have my dinosaur be completely silent

Idk how it would work but you wouldn’t be able to have Utah’s running around talking to eachother in voice chat without their dinosaurs making the same amount (or a close amount of noise) in the game

Hope that makes more sense lol

[tawny juniper]

1. is that even possible, 2. then you get penalized even if you're just talking to friends on a different subject

[solar latch]

Well it’s just an idea idk if it makes sense, I wanted to see what other people think.

[urban flax]

A better solution would be to implement a voice-chat in-game for dinos
Not everyone will use it, but the ones who don't care about their dinos making noise will

[solar latch]

Maybe, I just think it’d an unfair advantage if some can talk without making noise and others are forced to make noise by chatting

[hoary dawn]

i dont think that's possible for them to code

[honest sparrow]

Also kind of just weird for the game to be actively listening for you to go into a discord vc

And recording every word said in said vc

[urban flax]

Yes seems kinda intrusive

[honest sparrow]

And transferring that through steam and into the game

[solar latch]

Then maybe a talking system like arma 3 had would be better like @urban flax pointed towards

All in game stuff

[urban flax]

How is Arma 3's system ?

[hoary dawn]

in-game vc is gonna be a thing for mercs

for dinos it makes less sense and tbh the calls and chat boxes work perfectly fine for them

[solar latch]

It basically has a local/radio chat system that it uses, one is for immediate surroundings of the player and the other is kind of (if you have a radio) a global chat, then there’s vehicle chats, and then role chats (tho role chats don’t make sense for this game I think)

[urban flax]

Well that's voice chat with extra steps

[solar latch]

Well I’m just trynna get at they have it so people in voice chats don’t make noise when people that aren’t make lots of noise

[hoary dawn]

yea but what you're suggesting has many holes and may not even be possible, its just one of those things that cant really be helped

the point of it is good, that discord allows people to bypass chat calls, but its just the method that isn't great

[urban flax]

The only solution would be to delete Discord

[solar latch]

Is it tho lol

[hoary dawn]

no matter if its unfair or not there isn't a solution for it

[autumn yarrow]

Anyone know if they plan on fixing the water or is it intended to stay as is?

[hoary dawn]

wdym

[barren zephyr]

Probably means the water when it at some point of time the underwater looks red

[hoary dawn]

we are getting new lighting in the next update as well as revamped rivers so i assume so

[regal fable]

The red coloring makes me think of the rivers being murky. Loads of underwater videos in murky places have a reddish hue

[ebon girder]

@slim storm imagine you get high cuz of the dilo venom and ben is just like: "u got games on yo phone?"

[slim storm]

This is exactly the situation I wamt lmao

[ebon girder]

i think it would be good too

[keen bear]

When are new dinosaurs coming ?

[barren zephyr]

Eventually

[keen bear]

??

[slim storm]

He means theres no release date

[paper oriole]

the new dinosaurs will come when they get here

[slim storm]

They come when they come

[fickle hamlet]

I have an idea for more flying playables: Anurognathus/Jeholopterus and Kunpengopterus. Anurognathus and Jeholopterus are both small, bat-like fluffballs with huge eyes and a wide mouth for snatching up flying bugs. Extremely good nightvision and the ability to make a mud nest on a vertical surface would be neat mechanics for them. Kunpengopterus was a medium-sized pterosaur that had an opposable finger, which made it a really good climber. With incredible agility, it would be a deadly hunter of small creatures and bugs in dense forests.

[paper oriole]

lol

tiny

what would they do

eat some mosquitos and then die?

kunpeng is in no way medium either

[fickle hamlet]

Zoom through the treetops and above the rivers, avoiding other flying/climbing predators while chasing agile prey. Then, they would be able to build nests in nearly invulnerable positions. Just a suggestion.

Ok, I didn't realize it was that small.

[paper oriole]

no predator has any reason to take the excessive amount of effort to catch something this small

[fickle hamlet]

Herrera? Other pterosaurs? Baby Deinos? Young Utahs?

[paper oriole]

they may be fun to fly around as but they wouldnt be ble to make any meaningful interactions with the rest of the roster at all

these are way too small to be worth it for herrera and probably even ptera

its like the same amount of food as a fish for 10x the effort

not an elite fish either

[fickle hamlet]

Ok, then maybe Dsungaripterus (which would specialize on crabs, clams, and dead stuff)?

[paper oriole]

he's less of an atrocious size but he sounds more or less like a downsized ptera clone eating seafood and scavenging

[fickle hamlet]

True. On another note, what about Rat AI?

[paper oriole]

rat ai can be fine for merc bases

[fickle hamlet]

Small, abundant, and not too difficult to catch.

[paper oriole]

rats can play the role of compies in merc bases more-or-less

[fickle hamlet]

Yes, and it could also encourage players to go to merc bases for an actual, practical reason.

[paper oriole]

rats would hardly be a good sole reason for anybody to go to a merc base, but they would supply some nice body-horror while devouring corpses and be a small snack food for small tiers, up to troodon sized

[fickle hamlet]

Good point. What pterosaurs/AI would you like to see?

[paper oriole]

personally wouldnt mind seeing tupandactylus or thalassodromeus, mainly tupan though

[fickle hamlet]

Those would be awesome! It would be cool if Tupa could eat corpses, fish, and FRUIT, since frugivory has been suggested for that family.

[paper oriole]

i can not see tupa eating corpses or being good at fishing

especially eating corpses

his beak doesnt look goof for digging into flesh

personally i'd have tupa as a frugivore and thalasso as an omnivore

it is a shame that flying currently is restricted to one faction

[fickle hamlet]

It would be nice to have something like Ornithocheirus or Thalassodromeus, just to give Ptera something to fear while in the air.

[honest sparrow]

Tupa and Mesa

[fickle hamlet]

Mesadactylus?

[honest sparrow]

Ye

[paper oriole]

Ornitho is kinda a ptera clone

[honest sparrow]

No it has teeth and I want it to dive!1!1!1! (Even tho Ptera could realistically dive)

[hoary dawn]

just add pela smh

[barren zephyr]

burn

[honest sparrow]

I feel so bad for whichever animator is going to get "now animate her giving birth"

[hasty dagger]

SAUROPOD EGG TUBE FROM WWD LETS GO

#HYPE

[paper oriole]

That post gave me ptsd of the cerato egg laying picture

[vale pawn]

[hoary dawn]

and the one that gets to animate dying from shitting too hard

[tawny juniper]

that's going to be a thing

[limber hull]

@solar latch

it is confirmed they will get it

prepare to haul ass and burn rubber my friend

[hoary dawn]

yep

[solar latch]

Very very pog

[tawny juniper]

Is that going to happen by holding down the shit key too hard

Or are there like dairy products

and the dinos are lactose intolerant

to a new extreme

[solar latch]

I hope we get some vehicle customization at some point too tho, like different canopies of the cars to be optimized for things like, protection, cargo carrying, long distance communications, etc etc.

[barren zephyr]

looks more like a Wrangler, but yes

give us Toyota FJ cruiser 👍

[solar latch]

Honestly a range of off-road vehicles would be nice, not just one

[barren zephyr]

give us some good stuff

something like a broad range of off-road vehicles

not just the classic Jeep and Hummer

I mean... one of the devs is LITERALLY called Amarok

VW amarok ^

[solar latch]

Lmao idk how the armor on that thing would be but having it as an option would be good too ye

[barren zephyr]

nothing special honestly.

Like the Merc 6x6 G wagon in JW

also, I like the idea of small dirt bikes.
But they're boring

give us something like the BMW R1200 GS

they have a good amount of luggage bags

wouldn't be half bad if you want to carry some equipment

the classic military dirt bikes being too small and only containing one seat

[solar latch]

Honestly those are fine considering it’s a tropical island in the middle of nowhere lol. They’re versitile and fast that’s what they need ig

[barren zephyr]

they're just boring that's all.
I find transportation has to have more of a reason than just A to B

Something like luggage boxes, R1200GS, would add more meaning.

Something relatively small, but loud, with a good hefty amount of loot for you to transport.
It could help in areas such as moving from base to base. If you're a letter boy, etc

And you're not stuck to a 4 wheel box.
You're fast, agile and quite nimble.
R1200GS' and others in it's field are quite good- as I, myself, have been on a good few

Honestly, having both wouldn't be bad.

[solar latch]

Might be wrong but I don’t think this looks incredibly good at being off road

[barren zephyr]

The more classic dirt bikes. Being faster but limited

[barren zephyr]

they quite good on farm lands

it all depends on the tire

those look like asphalt-built tires

[solar latch]

Well I supposed variety isn’t bad

[barren zephyr]

BMW's GS bikes are made for off-road and on-road adventures

I wouldn't hate to see both in-game.
The classic being used for more faster but limited adventures, if you have little equipment.

The GS (or any bike in it's field) being more for utility and longer adventures with more equipment. But you'll be relatively slower, but still good

[strange wave]

@honest sparrow diplodocus egg tube from wwd

[hoary dawn]

rn what the devs are focusing on is core mechanics, once those are in new dinos will be able to be implemented faster

[honest sparrow]

Chip said it first

[strange wave]

chip smells

[honest sparrow]

Fair

[hasty dagger]

[limber hull]

<@&401466542140817419> look at this cool fps booster, he posted it in every channel, it's that cool

thank you

[pulsar lake]

I really don't see what's the problem about cannibals.

Like, do not believe other players. That's something simple in any survival video games.

Why shall they be friendly or not able to feast on you if they wanted to?

I mean, they were just hungry so they took on a possible prey

[ashen wasp]

How social are Deinosuchus meant to be, anyways?? Three cheers for a self-regulating population, I say

[pulsar lake]

Deinosuchus are giant alligators. They could be chill as long as there is food and sometimes eat another guy limb if he tilted them too much. But cannibalism in crocodilians isn't common except adults going for offsprings as they are competition and easy food when mom isn't around.

[barren zephyr]

I mean... yeah. It's a survival game

if you're getting angry that the deinosuchus next door is trying to kill you. That's life.
I'm glad juvies are gonna be faster than adults on-land. Gives you a chance

[paper oriole]

Why does pteranodon need more damage it eats fish

[barren zephyr]

We don’t need BoB ptera

[weak dune]

The only real problem I find with cannibals in the Isle is most of them surplus kill just about everyone in sight even if they literally have 20 piles of bodies that they just aren't touching.

The fact non-official servers have to make rules about not killing when you have a body down and most people don't abide those rules anyway kinda speaks for itself.

Ironically, on Legacy when bodies in water was a problem, they were usually the first people to cry "ADMIN, THEY JUMPED IN THE WATER WHILE BLEEDING, BAN THEM" while they were breaking rules left and right.

[paper oriole]

Body down rules

I get that kfs is bad though but its because its so easy honestly

Killing juvies is so easy, killing overtrusting people is so easy, killing a stego as a few utahs is so easy. If it wasn’t so easy it wouldnt be as common

If somebody is naive and approaches strangers they’re asking for it but everything else is just too easy lol

[limber hull]

if it was harder to just kill shit, maybe. The locked health concept they had kinda works, but its just low impact to lose a dino. Update 4 is just, so good, since it makes people do shit to grow their dino, actually making them get attached to the dino they grew

The only penalty I have even imagined for the whole "herbi fucks off from bodies" is it mildly harms your diet to stand near bodies

[paper oriole]

Any punishment for herbis being too close to bodies should only work on undragged bodies honestly

Otherwise it is griefable

[limber hull]

i just dont like the idea of some dumbshit running at you going "hahaha i have meat suffer penalties bitch"

[hybrid matrix]

The stranger danger stuff is finally coming in handy

[paper oriole]

If a carni has dragged the body then it shouldnt give a debuff

[paper oriole]

Yeah lmao

[limber hull]

issue i have is

• Stego is nesting
• Oviraptor runs in for eggs
• Stego, obviously, doesn't like the idea of their children being stolen
• Kills ovi
• Ovi body causes penalties for some reason, even tho steg was entirely in its right to attack and cannot move the body or the nest

[paper oriole]

Yeah i can see people using decoys to give debuffs

In drawn out fights as well

Utahs arent going to stop attacking some big slow herbi just because some members die, but it would punish the herbi for killing attackers while still under attack

Which would be hella annoying

[limber hull]

This is the very difficult realm of the body down rule. The penalty should not weaken key stats like health, stamina, hunger or thirst, as this is just unfair. The penalty must not stick around for too long, otherwise in the situation of nesting, this becomes very problematic. Both the carni and herbi need motivation to either forget and start eating, or forget and keep running

Notice all the details one must consider in these scenarios?

[paper oriole]

Yeah its very hard to make mechanics to stop body guarding, mass killing, and mixpacking without it becoming a whole new issue. Three of the most irritating behaviours in the game to face, and three of the hardest ti discourage

[limber hull]

it also comes with the quick nature of stam regen for some creatures, or the total amount of their stamina. If a utah kills something, it can quickly regain the energy needed to kill another, and then another

[paper oriole]

Plus for smaller animals the penalty of dying in a pack hunt will likely remain relatively low even with diets

If you make animals' stamina pools take too long to recover then they become grief bait, but with how fast they recover now it encourages sprees. Definitely a difficult issue

[limber hull]

balancing is tough as

[barren zephyr]

@simple prairie ptera is t supposed to fight or kill anything. It’s a scavenger fisher who can fly. No need to fight when you technically have a endless supply of food and you fly

Ptera is perfectly fine as it is right now

[honest sparrow]

[barren zephyr]

ping

[urban flax]

That alberto fan redesign just looks like a raptor
Having big head is literally the point of tyrannosaurids

[limber hull]

chunko has a lot more personality imo. More distinct. Might just be me

Other one looks like a big raptor or sub-rex tbh

[sudden hinge]

@round mantle Dont be trusting like even if another player in your species cant eat you doesnt mean they wont kill you approaching random strange players is always a risk its part of the survival game

[hasty dagger]

I prefer the relatively slim build for Alberto, being surprisingly gracile and speedy is what made it interesting for me and now it’s just Tarbo with a head ornament

[barren zephyr]

I mean if Alberto is more of an endurance based creature the chunk wouldn’t be as bad

[urban flax]

Chonky alberto makes more sense
You need to be extra buff to go 50 km/h with that weight

(irl estimated speed)

[urban flax]

@barren zephyr Evrima is a gamemode in itself. We will probably have more game modes in the recode, but we don't know if sandbox will be among them since devs haven't confirmed it.

[paper oriole]

Utah hp should be reduced by 25% when desync/rubberbanding is fixed imo

[urban flax]

10% is enough for now
Gotta be parcimonic with nerfs/buffs in games

10% is already a lot

[paper oriole]

750hp is fine for a scrawny version of a 500kg animal who has enough agility to avoid hits once lag is fixed

With desync as it is now it would be pretty scummy to do

[wicked furnace]

Doesn't even look that bad people shit on it way too much nowadays.

[hoary dawn]

its not that bad

[urban flax]

It's quite good actually

[hoary dawn]

it could be a lot better and has been, that's why people dont like it

[urban flax]

It's got personality, contrary to the legacy alberto

[hybrid matrix]

For me its the neck
The top of the neck looks too puffy

[urban flax]

It's muscly

[paper oriole]

The neck makes it very frontheavy

[hybrid matrix]

I get that, its just that it looks to muscly

Too thick

[urban flax]

Actually it's probably how it looked irl
Or close to that

[hybrid matrix]

Im not saying shrink-wrap it, i just mean a tiny bit less... sharp? Like the neck looks a little bit swollen at the top

[urban flax]

Maybe that's also because the model is basically t-posing

Wait no, it's the same in the concept art

[hybrid matrix]

Yeah
I just dont want the, for lack of a better word, bump of the neck to look like a hill and not a gentle rise

[urban flax]

Yeah I get what you mean

We'll see how it looks in-game when animated

[hybrid matrix]

Otherwise its a nice model

[molten tulip]

Its not really the neck itself its the rest of the body in comparison

It feels like it can tip forward if you poke it

Might just be the angle it was rendered at

[ashen wasp]

If the baggy skin under the neck is retracted and the posture shifts the skull less forward, it’s passable

The hips jut out and up a bit too much, making the legs look like they’re glued onto the body

As for the stylization of the head/osteoderms/etc, I get that it’s supposed to look brutish and draconian and whatnot, it’s characterized— even if it doesn’t really resemble the animal in life.

[paper oriole]

it's at least better than the stumpy neck fatcro

[hoary dawn]

tumor

[paper oriole]

the end of albert's tail also looks like something I won't mention and I can't unsee it

[ashen wasp]

Low bar, easily cleared by its too-long legs

Acro’s concept looks like somebody took its ACTUAL concept and Ben-ified it

[paper oriole]

it really does lmao

how tf are they gonna animate that morbidly obese short-spine syndrome acro to make it viable enough against actual apexes

[ashen wasp]

Condenses itself into a ball and rolls away

[paper oriole]

maybe it floats away like a balloon

[ashen wasp]

Burrowing

[paper oriole]

fat floats. aquatic acro

[ashen wasp]

Orcacro??

[paper oriole]

the prophecy is true

you arent gonna fall off a cliff on V3 unless youre sprinting around with nightvision off lmao

[honest sparrow]

dammit now I can't unsee it too

[paper oriole]

you're welcome

[hoary dawn]

corn

[molten tulip]

I just noticed that

[safe galleon]

@sand widget all dinosaurs in the game have the same intelligence, they all have human minds

[swift dew]

not all humans have the same intelligence though

[urban flax]

That's even more a reason to not give the ones who play raptor fake "intelligence" tools because they're supposedly playing a smarter animal. Let dumb players play dumb and smart players play smart.

[vale pawn]

the iq system

[paper oriole]

Wasn’t stenonychosaurus (troodon) supposedly way smarter than things like utahraptor anyway

I'd be surprised if utah won't be able to open doors, but it doesn’t need more tools to be annoying as fuck because it already is

[urban flax]

Also that "call for help" ability literally exists already, and there is a dedicated button for it
It's "1" on the keyboard

[paper oriole]

Yeah and utah players are anything but shy about using that 1 key

[urban flax]

Then raptors aren't that smart in The Isle

[paper oriole]

They really arent

[urban flax]

Actually I think Deinos are the smartest species in The Isle
Because they know they better kill their own

[paper oriole]

Doesn't matter if they’re hungry

[barren zephyr]

I always kill my own

[urban flax]

kos is not an issue

[barren zephyr]

Problem with cannibalism is that with such a limited roster your bound to have to eat your kind more than you wanna at times

[regal fable]

Try being 3-4 hours in, then say that xD

[barren zephyr]

There not smart there just evil

[weak dune]

I don't disagree with you there but I'm pretty much always careful about approaching other dinos even if they're my own species. I tend to keep distance and run away / around if I'm not 100% sure lol

One of the problems is that players never really indicate what they're going to do until they're already biting your ass, sometimes after they've been hanging around acting friendly for a good 20 minutes or more already.

I know most servers that had Body Down rules on legacy also had rules about how you had to engage in fights and hunting other players, like using 3 calls and crouch so you could get some sort of visual warning of what they were going to do.

Of course people just tried to find ways around those rules too like they'd start a fight over a body and then crouch when you ran away to claim they were "hunting" and not fighting so they could scream at admin if you did anything that made it hard for them to fight you head-on so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[weak dune]

I don't think its really a problem if people cannibalize because their dino is about to starve. That's something I think is worth overlooking. Its just when they have a whole pile of bodies and they're STILL KOSing everything in sight including their own

[hoary dawn]

killing that many people is pretty much just setting up a beacon all dinos in the area can smell

[sudden hinge]

That’s why I don’t play with random people I just play with my friends or solo and kill or avoid anyone that approaches to save myself the trouble

[oblique drift]

@zealous violet

You can insta leave wallowing animation

By double insert or esc

You just stop the animation, it may be a bug but use it before they fix

[swift dew]

@steel dock utahs are already confirmed to do that

[steel dock]

oh, bet 💃✨

[vale pawn]

they charge into them

[swift dew]

they can also open the door quietly if they wish

[vale pawn]

pounce the door

[neat crest]

whens the update coming

[vale pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/incredibles-bob-parr-the-incredibles-gif-7194125

[neat crest]

wheres the update

[wheat igloo]

I need you to read the rules, specifically rule 10.

[paper oriole]

It will come when it arrives

[limber hull]

@mellow acorn pretty sure that's confirmed

[odd sedge]

happiness :)

[mellow acorn]

Ooo awesome, thanks dude!

[ebon girder]

oh shit sorry, i thought i was in isle discussion

[steep warren]

@inner hound I love the idea but i also think you should add a place with human buildings

[inner hound]

one or two human buildings could work nice aswell, true

[hybrid matrix]

@fading sleet 3rd and 1st person for dinosaurs doesnt bug me as much as for humans
Humans arent getting 3rd person, thats that

[paper oriole]

Good speed, good stam and stam regen, good swim speed and diving/fishing, decent breath holding time, burrow raiding, venom for punching up in hunting, best tracking in the game

Ngl this sounds a little too good

It shouldn’t excel in so much

Amazing land hunter and fisher?

[steep warren]

Ya this is way to much for it

[paper oriole]

If it is a spectacular endurance hunter it does not need to be good in the water as well

This makes it too easy for it

[steep warren]

Im think it should be an ambush pretator really

[paper oriole]

Komodos do follow their prey a lot so endurance seems fine to me, but whether he becomes endurance or ambush he shouldn’t excel in both land and water hunting

And if he punches up, having great stam, speed and stam regen may make him busted in his tier unless he's also a glass cannon

[steep warren]

Ya I feel if the devs add TOO many water creatures there will be first, no where safe to drink and second almost no way to survive in the water

[hasty dagger]

Water should just be a fallback as an escape method or something

It shouldn’t be a deino but small

[paper oriole]

Yeah being an above average swimmer is fine, but the fishing, diving and breath holding should be dropped

Swimming away as an escape is enough

[steep warren]

ive posted this way too many times but i SO think mega should be ambush like this https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/863618771297763360

[visual patrol]

Meh,I’m just a megalania simp

[paper oriole]

Fair enough lol

I think mega will be venomous, not have a bacterial bite

I dont remember if his venom was hard confirmed tho

[meager tiger]

Slow venom then?

[paper oriole]

Anticoagulant venom would be good for him

Makes it easy to track tagged targets and weakens them

[steep warren]

Ye

[meager tiger]

I like the idea of walking following my pray slowing dying and have other megad show up and join like those videos lol

[paper oriole]

Exactly

[steep warren]

Not sure i like the idea with mega climbing tress tho

[meager tiger]

Well isn't venom the opposite and kills quick?

Like minutes not hours or days

Mega shouldn't climb

It's a lizard hynea dog thing that follows you while you slowly die over the hours

[visual patrol]

Baby megalania climbing trees is a good idea

[meager tiger]

Ok that's fine

[visual patrol]

Like baby Komodos

[steep warren]

Trees nah rocks ya

[meager tiger]

How big is mega

[visual patrol]

Both I think would be fine for babies to climb,adult mega is 6 meters long

[meager tiger]

Like deer sized?

[visual patrol]

Way bigger than a deer

[meager tiger]

24 Feet?!

[visual patrol]

I think

Roughly

[meager tiger]

Jesus that's a huge lizard

Which means I can bite a long neck on it's ankles with my friends and we walk with it lol

Wait

Can we eat the prey alive since they can't fight back

[visual patrol]

I doubt they’d add that

But burrow raiding for young megas should be a definite

[meager tiger]

I've seen videos where they eat deers alive since they can't run

Bro this lizard is like 24 Feet long like half a school bus. I don't think it's gonna be able to squeeze into 2 foot burrows for a long time in it's life. Unless it's a slow grower

[visual patrol]

When it’s small it can

Just let me simp for megalania in peace 😩

[meager tiger]

Ok let me ask you this

[visual patrol]

Ok

[meager tiger]

How long does it take for lizardzilla to fully grow

What is your idea

[visual patrol]

Hmmm if it was like my idea for mega I’d say 2.5-3 hours because you’d be rather op

[meager tiger]

Ok and it looks like the lizard as a height to length ratio of maybe 1 unit of height is 3 units of length

[steep warren]

2.5 hours im PRETTY sure is carno time

it should be longer for mega

[visual patrol]

3-4 hours then if I had my way with it’s development

[meager tiger]

A burrow I imagine is 3 feet tall tops. It takes a lizard 3 hours to grow 24 Feet long. Which is about 8 feet per hour. Which means a small lizard is only small enough for burrows only a hour of it's life.

Is that ok

Idk

[paper oriole]

Imagine a mega juvie goes into burrow, stays too long and gets stuck lmao

[visual patrol]

Natural selection

[meager tiger]

That's what I'm worried about lol

Bruh there's no evolution in this game

We are all clones

[visual patrol]

If I had to shorten megas abilities down I’d give him these abilities:

Good swimmer,great sense of smell,babies can climb,good stam,venom,tail whip,quite fast.

That’s not too much surely

[meager tiger]

No stam

Lizard is tracker and walker

Not a runner

It's legs are a squat

[visual patrol]

Komodos and monitors can run long distances

[meager tiger]

Run or jog

Like full blown sprint?

[visual patrol]

A fast jog probably

So a consistent run

[meager tiger]

Ok then it should be slower than most other animals.

It's main goal is to just keep up and wait till the prey dies

Not attack mode

[paper oriole]

If it is similar to legacy giga where it is not very fast but will track over long distances

It does not need good speed

[visual patrol]

😔

Mega gonna be unviable

[steep warren]

Mega should be in my find a traker, slow venom that slowly kills if not delt with, claw attack with bleed and rn im too lazy to think of anything eles soooo

[meager tiger]

Unviable lol

[paper oriole]

How lol

[steep warren]

How

[meager tiger]

No bro your playing mega wrong

[paper oriole]

Your suggestion makes it too easy to play as

[meager tiger]

It's a ambush, bite once, and stalk

[steep warren]

Because it cant FISH AND SWIM AND RUN AT 100MPH?

[meager tiger]

Follow and wait

And eat later when it dies in a hour or two

[steep warren]

Yes

[visual patrol]

Come on guys let loose a little,megalania should dominate the isles roster

[paper oriole]

[steep warren]

Sooooo it should be op is what ur saying?

[paper oriole]

Think hes joking now

[meager tiger]

He's doing a bit of tomfoolery

[visual patrol]

Jokes aside it should be a jack of all trades in my opinion because it’s modern day counterparts dominate their ecosystems

[meager tiger]

Well yes

But not speed

[paper oriole]

Jack of all trades doesn’t necessarily mean amazing at everything

[meager tiger]

It can swim, survive without food and water for awhile, jog for a while

[paper oriole]

It should be decent at most things but not some god mod lizard

[meager tiger]

It's also a solo or a pack stalker

Think hyneas or vulture

[paper oriole]

A jack of all trades it typically ok at everything but not great at anything, where in your suggestion mega excels in multiple fronts

[steep warren]

Its game play should be, wait and lure something over with per say an animal AI then lunge at it causeing it to slowly die

[visual patrol]

I think it should mainly be solo but if there’s big enough prey around it should be able to group up and work together to take it down

[steep warren]

THAT is how i think mega gameplay should be

[meager tiger]

Well I meant like it's selfish bastard so even if it teams up when the body drops it's a FFA lol

[steep warren]

nah mega should be 100% solo

[meager tiger]

Vulture kinda

[paper oriole]

Crocs and komodos do gather for feeding frenzies but they arent exactly friends/team mates with eachother

[steep warren]

Ye

[ashen wasp]

Jack of all trades but a master of none, but better than a master of one unless you’re rex

[meager tiger]

Well they stalk with each other

[paper oriole]

Yeah basically what i was trynna say

[meager tiger]

They bite a deer and slowly you got more and more following

[paper oriole]

This guy who made the suggestion thinks jack of all trades means amazing at everything or something

[meager tiger]

Imagine you get bit and before you die you got 10 lizards following you like a train

[visual patrol]

No I don’t,I just want it to be good at multiple things which admirably might make it abit too good

[meager tiger]

Be a neat sight from a bystander

Lol

[steep warren]

Ok can u name all the things YOU think it should have

[meager tiger]

He already did

I agree with most

[tawny juniper]

How would mega even whip it's thick ass tail

its like a log

[meager tiger]

But not speed

[visual patrol]

I’ll name them again,I’ll low ball megalania

[steep warren]

ngl i think they should bring back ambush ONLY FOR MEGA

AND MEGA ONLY

but it would have some limits

[paper oriole]

It doesnt need good speed, stam and stam regen if it has some of the best tracking in the game and venom that punches up. And this isnt even mentioning the aquatic shit

[odd sedge]

Mega should have a group limit of 1. They can vibe around each other but not socialise that much

[ashen wasp]

Might be flat like a paddle— lightens the load as it tapers

[steep warren]

YES

[meager tiger]

What about titanboa

[steep warren]

dont get that covo started

[meager tiger]

Titanboa gets a ambush

[paper oriole]

Titanbo is a fodder animal

[visual patrol]

Great scent of smell(which is a given ),tail whip for secondary attack,good swimmer,good stam,venom,baby’s can climb. Poor mega,reduced to ash

[meager tiger]

Bro a boa is huge

[paper oriole]

How

[tawny juniper]

If anything replace tail whip with some sort of thrash or something it wouldn't look wonky doing

[paper oriole]

People overestimate titanboa's size a lot

[ashen wasp]

Titanoboa seems like it’ll be great at ambushing small targets and horrible at everything else

[steep warren]

Ya

[meager tiger]

It's 24 Feet

[odd sedge]

Climbing is either their safe haven from predators or a feeding ground for herreras

[meager tiger]

Like mega?

[visual patrol]

Exactly

[paper oriole]

Also titanboa doesnt act like most modern boas, it ate fish and its jaw didnt unhinge much so it will have to be fictionalized

[ashen wasp]

Cut to Titanoboa being ganged up on by feral hogs

[tawny juniper]

titan boa lowkey will probably not be good, it's gamepla will be constriction and slithering slowley around swamp

[meager tiger]

Well

[paper oriole]

It seems like a very low tier animal yeah

[tawny juniper]

nothing to really make it worth playing more than twice

[steep warren]

Megalaina should be able to SMELL the prey it bit. it would be a purple dotted line just like water and food leading too prey

[paper oriole]

Will probabky survive by being hard to see

[meager tiger]

Maybe it's good at invading human bases

Small places like vents or pipes

[steep warren]

ya

[tawny juniper]

then getting lit up as it doesn't do anything

[steep warren]

coil up actt like rope XD

[meager tiger]

Snakes irl crawl up toilet

Not saying boa will

[paper oriole]

Very big toilet for titanboa to crawl up lol

[tawny juniper]

It would just bite the humans ig because if it tried to strangle it'd get actually destroyed

[meager tiger]

But proves the point snakes can get to places in human building easier than others

[steep warren]

I actully like that idea

[meager tiger]

Maybe a water well?

[steep warren]

I feel like it would mess with humans alot

[meager tiger]

Idk

Hide inside a car

[steep warren]

small titannboas would be ble to just slide past gates

[tawny juniper]

If titanboa got into a human facility the human in immediate danger ( the one under current attack) is in more danger from other mercs trying to shoot the titanboa than the person is from the titanboa its self

[visual patrol]

Time for my titanoboa suggestion,let it be able to dive,eat fish,ambush predator like deino,potentially arboreal,and thermal vision when smelling

[odd sedge]

I'm assuming anything (that isn't Utah's) will be eaten by Herras if spotted in trees.
From how I see it, Herra should be tree apex but venom-less version of Troodon on the ground

[visual patrol]

Ye that’s a good idea

[tawny juniper]

titanboa would also have nothing to gain from going near humans except maybe some of the food such as cattle or chickens

Which doesn't mean anything assuming it can fish

[meager tiger]

Your wrong

A human base is protection from large predators

So if boa hides in a base it only has to avoid humans

[tawny juniper]

for things such as troodon and other small critters hiding it bases may be viable

But something 24 ft long and thick af it's going to be a struggle

[meager tiger]

Which is a bit as snakes can get into human buildings and hide easy

[tawny juniper]

I don't know how you think they'd get in easy

[meager tiger]

It's long

But skinny

And very low to the ground

[tawny juniper]

It's like 4 feet wide

like 3 feet tall

That isn't small

and someone said it was 20ft long

[meager tiger]

Yeah that's Max size too

[tawny juniper]

google says its 50ft

I doubt google so I'm going with 20ft

[meager tiger]

Well out of all the animals

Who are taller

And louder

[tawny juniper]

It just don't know how you think it's going to get in

[steep warren]

Can we stop convo about boa pls

[meager tiger]

Plenty of ways

[tawny juniper]

Well name them?

[meager tiger]

Air vent, water pipes, gate holes, it can climb trees, hide inside vehicles, slither under shit,

Sewers

Wells, grates

Canals

A snake is like a lesser rat

[steep warren]

slip right trough bars protecting bases

[meager tiger]

Rats can get anywhere

Snakes are a bit like rats

[tawny juniper]

That's not only irrelevent but also just not true

a 20ft long constrictor is not like a rat in any way

[meager tiger]

Name animals who can navigate a toilet

I'm talking about all boas

[steep warren]

how did we go from op lizards to dangernoodles

[meager tiger]

Not just adult ones

[tawny juniper]

What relevence do modern snakes have to the ability of an enormous titanboa

It isn't a case of this is a bigger garter snake

[meager tiger]

What relevance do small komodo have to do with mega

[tawny juniper]

I don't know, I never said anything about that

[meager tiger]

Oh

[visual patrol]

Small komodo is the equivalent to small mega

[meager tiger]

Well a snake is a snake.

[tawny juniper]

But also where would a titan hide assumign it could get into the base

[meager tiger]

And someone said we have to fictionalized it

[tawny juniper]

Not when your talking about its ability to sneak into plaves

[meager tiger]

Since real boa is a boring fisher

[visual patrol]

We probably will have to a little to make it viable

[meager tiger]

So I say the boa should be a fictional base invader and hider

[visual patrol]

That’s a good idea for it

[tawny juniper]

What would it eat, Where would it hide, what would make it exciting to play at all

[visual patrol]

I think it’ll be hard to make it’s gameplay exciting

[tawny juniper]

Base hider is it just sits in the base hiding until its forced to eat/drink then going back to hiding

[meager tiger]

To make it fun even if it doesn't make much sense but I just thought snakes are good at getting to places other animals can't like mice and rats and real snakes do

[tawny juniper]

So your entire idea of fun for this fictional idea is that the enjoyable part of gameplay is getting into the base

and then what

You just wait until elder

[meager tiger]

Well a croc just sits in water so I don't see a huge problem

You got any better ideas

[tawny juniper]

That's irrelevent to the question

[meager tiger]

For boa

[tawny juniper]

What's going to make boa exciting

[meager tiger]

Because I don't

Idk

[visual patrol]

I don’t think it should be added because it’s difficult to make it’s gameplay exciting

[sonic cloud]

@tight lantern why don’t you just not kill your attacker?

And what stops them from just killing you after they finished challenge mode

[silver dagger]

@crisp stream they...are though.

[meager tiger]

Maybe give the snake thermal vision

[crisp stream]

pachy

[fickle hamlet]

For Titanoboa gameplay, I can only see it being either Deino population control or a riverbank ambusher. Modern Anacondas sit just under the surface, facing the shoreline. Anything grabbed will be instantly dragged underwater and drowned. Add in some climbing, heat-vision, and fictionalized speed, and you've got a pretty cool playable.

[silver dagger]

Pachy is the next to be added.

[meager tiger]

Since it's slow and soely a ambush predator. No chases

Has no venom either

[compact hare]

or if you mean pachyrino (howhever you write that), its coming too

[meager tiger]

No debuffs

[silver dagger]

I forgot pachyrhino exists lol

[meager tiger]

So give it thermal vision to sneak up easier

[compact hare]

lmao

[meager tiger]

And silent

[tight lantern]

That's a great question, and to me the main idea of the mechanic/call. It may have to be something implemented on select servers, I'm unsure, but I know I myself am not one who really is trying to ruin someone's whole day by killing them just to get a carcass, or fight for alpha status/a mate. A little duel sounds reasonable, and realistic.

It's certainly a mechanic that would need more ideas and discussion in order to properly implement.

[meager tiger]

It's just gonna get outcompeted and killed by everything else

Boa didn't exist with dinosaurs. I think it was after they died then it had a chance

[silver dagger]

It lived with one of the largest crocodilians though

[meager tiger]

Well Crocs are in the water

[crisp stream]

pachy

[meager tiger]

We are talking about a large land carnivore

[silver dagger]

but they were also in the water

[meager tiger]

Not filled with spinos

[fickle hamlet]

Titanoboa would have been mostly aquatic.

[meager tiger]

Or suchos

[silver dagger]

If I recall correctly, they ate fish mostly

[meager tiger]

Yeah and how's boa gonna handle spinos if it can barely compete with crocs

Can't run or hide

[silver dagger]

I don't really think they should be playable, personally.

[meager tiger]

That or heavily fictional

[silver dagger]

I'm sure they could make them unique and fun. But I think it'd be a good environmental hazard.

[tight lantern]

Titanoboa was definitely mostly aquatic. Would have eventually suffocated by its own weight out of water for long

[meager tiger]

Base boa is screwed. I adovacate for special or unique skills that only boa has

Base invading, thermal vision, anything really that makes it stand out a bit

Otherwise it's gonna get curbed stomped by other water or land animals

[silver dagger]

or they could be very good at hiding and waiting, sounds boring to me, but they could partially bury themselves in mud and just have a bit of their head out to wait for prey.

[meager tiger]

Hiding

Better than nothing I'll take it lol

[silver dagger]

one of my friends wants mud monster boa pretty badly

[paper oriole]

If a utah can bowl over/pin an animal larger than it then its no issue than tenonto (who is slower than its predators) CCing things larger than it

[hoary dawn]

they're nerfing utah pounce next update

it will only be able to pin things its weight and under

also

[languid cairn]

@visual patrol Pardon. I more or less like your description of Megalania, most of the points are the ones I bring up and discuss about with others elsewhere.

However, the tail attack should keep smaller/similar dinos at bay. Say Utah and things around that range. What keeps bigger dinos back is the fact that Megalania carries the most devastating type of Venom in game that'll fuck them right up.

At the same time, being the Endurance All Rounder it is, Megalania should actively be trying to avoid confrontation with larger animals-using the fact that it can run, swim, and stick to the underbrush to break away from most creatures in a marathon. It'll essentially function like a better Land Deino with a cruel Bite.

[paper oriole]

This guy wants herbivores to not travel the map?

I agree there should be more quantities of herbi food but it should be partitioned around the map for diets

The map isnt there to be empty and abandoned everywhere but 3 hot spots

[steep warren]

@weak dome The whole point is for herbies and ALL dinos to spread out around the map. In update 4 all dinos are going to have to spread out to maintain there diet soooo tuff luck

[paper oriole]

Does he want legacy where herbis sit by a river for 4 hours until a pack of 6 rexes wipes their herd?

[steep warren]

No idea does he want herbs to afk by water and bushs so he can have fun as fully grown they run from everything he sees because he has a horrible diet and now cant take on anything?

random guess man

[paper oriole]

He seems to be a stego main lol i guess I can see why he doesnt wanna travel the map

[steep warren]

But man whats the point of buying the game if you sit in a bush 24 7 and log in to eat and drink

[paper oriole]

Yeah 20$ for a sit in bush until you die simulator

Traveling should just be less tedious and boring if anything

[manic flint]

Better walks and trots maybe?

[sudden hinge]

@paper oriole why do you think teno should be able to CC carno or bigger playables with kick?

[swift dew]

tenos main form of stun against any good carno player is the kick stun, if you make this away and force it to only stun with the tailslam then all the controll of the fight goes to the carno

[manic flint]

^^

Teno should have a winning matchup, since it can't run away

Not by much

[sudden hinge]

tenos are still very tanky and through the hitbox tenos still have an advantage with the tail slam

i dont agree that they should still cc with the kick its very busted when you can 360 kick and apply a solid cc which in general is too long

[paper oriole]

the matchup currently is fair, taking something away from teno will only make it unfavourable

[molten tulip]

Carno v teno is boring without it

[sudden hinge]

The tail works just fine

like the kick doesnt make sense to actually stun an animal that much taller than carno

the kick is way too spammable to be considered fair atm imo

[molten tulip]

Horses can literally 1 shot each other irl with a single kick

[swift dew]

teno kills carno in 5 tailsalms (body hits) carno kills teno in 6 bites (body hits)

"teno is too tanky"

also carno can kill teno in 5 body hits if it uses alt bite

[paper oriole]

carno can bite so damn fast lol

[sudden hinge]

idk about that ive been killed pretty fast from just a couple tail slams and kicks

carno cant bite fast what do you mean it has a very clear delay

[paper oriole]

it basically never uses charge because it just spams lmb like a legacy dino

[swift dew]

it takes 3 tailslams and one kick to kill a carno if its all headshots

[sudden hinge]

which most tail hits hit headshots what do you mean lol

the kick is too spammable

like a carno can charge bite the head of teno it get up kick the carno and then proceed to kill it with tailslams

im just saying the kick and tailslam are way more reliable and literally end fights as soon as the cc hits

[weak dome]

maybe be respectful to people. Just say what your going to say and dont add to it.

[paper oriole]

[frigid osprey]

Why didn't people like my idea

[paper oriole]

the feedback on it doesnt seem negative aside from one x

[tawny juniper]

4 people seem to like it

[paper oriole]

personally i would be a bit irritated having to stop to sniff as an herbi and it still not working half the time though

[tawny juniper]

Considering they did the perfect emoji

[swift dew]

>❌

[frigid osprey]

[meager tiger]

Can we have food sources stay depleted for longer. I like the idea of if a group of herbis stay in a area for too long they eat all the resources and ate forced to move to find food

Will make herbi more fun instead of bush sim

Idk how it would effect nesting though

[paper oriole]

Anuro would be too small to be worth a hunt for any predator at all

[stark dust]

anyone thinks austro needs a remodel

[barren zephyr]

Yeah kinda

I don’t absolutely hate it but it needs some tweaks

[stark dust]

another thing is that sucho should have a speed buff

[sacred moat]

No, the most sucho should be out running is a spino

But that’s depending on if they’re going to have JP3 spino that can keep up with jeeps

Sucho should be by rivers and swamps most of its life, it does not need to out run giga or Rex

[stark dust]

agree

[barren zephyr]

Maybe not outrun, but it should certainly have more stamina and use the water to avoid them

[sacred moat]

Huh?

[paper oriole]

Gove sucho the speed of two animals who are lower tier than it? bruh

Allo is going to be fast

[sacred moat]

If sucho is faster than allo and dibble, rip the ecosystem

Or even as fast

[barren zephyr]

Dibble is already tiny lol

[paper oriole]

Diablo would get destroyed

[barren zephyr]

it’s like the height of a utah

[stark dust]

I was meaning as fast as a dibble but I take back from what I said. irl sucho is actually pretty slow but it should atleast be as a fast as a rex imo

[paper oriole]

It just needs to outstam apexes

It doesnt need to be fast

Hm yeah i guess it could probably be cancer like legacy giga then

If it had massive stam

[stark dust]

enter albertosaurus and acrocanthosaurus

[paper oriole]

Look at the new acro, dude looks like he'd take two steps and die of a stroke

Idk how theyre gonna animate that shit to be viable

[stark dust]

I dont mind sucho having a stam nerf but it should use way less stam if its swimming just like deino

[stark dust]

acro is fine on how it is imo but its too thicc I will admit

[paper oriole]

Short spine syndrome, morbidly obese

He has like no neck

[paper oriole]

[barren zephyr]

I’m worried for acro

[paper oriole]

Yeah idk how theyre gonna make it fast enough to survive actual apexes with that anatomy

Plus his head is huge for no reason

[barren zephyr]

Unless it can fight apexes off, it’s not going anywhere

[paper oriole]

Its going to the shadow realm

[barren zephyr]

Who will I play now

[paper oriole]

Magy

[barren zephyr]

Suffer 1,000 deaths

[paper oriole]

Thousand life contract and each one is a dead magyarosaurus

[barren zephyr]

[stark dust]

the only way I can see acro in evirma is that its speed is pretty slow has good hp and very durable and has average stam

[paper oriole]

utah is probably not its max irl size because it leaps around like a roided up kangaroo and that would look stupid as fuck on a 1700lb animal plus our utah has entirely different anatomy, they clearly couldn't care less about realism when it comes to utahraptor

[pulsar crystal]

then dont call it the utah if its a jp rip off

[paper oriole]

i hate that it still carries the name utahraptor too honestly

it's literally a jp raptor

even novaraptor has more personality in its design than utah somehow

[pulsar crystal]

ya call its something else and make utah a separate dino

[paper oriole]

like our troodon carries a defunct name instead of stenonychosaurus or something and thats nice because it's an obvious hyperfictionalized dino

but then you look at the warped abominations like isle spino, anky, acro, utah still carrying the names of the actual animals and it's just... ew

[pulsar crystal]

ya i agree

[paper oriole]

the isle is connected with primal carnage where phoenix corp has novaraptors, so personally I thought Apolloraptor would be a good replacement name for our utah. Some people said its a dumb name but our utahraptor is a dumb animal so it fits

[errant carbon]

takes months for one dino to come out

[paper oriole]

lol

[hoary dawn]

you do know they dont only work on dinos in those months right

[errant carbon]

I'm well aware but its killing the game

[hoary dawn]

how so

[silver zephyr]

the evrima servers have been fairly active for me, na 1 is often at 100 for a majority of the day

and the eu officials in the morning (in my timezone) are pretty packed as well

[swift dew]

na1 is 100 pretty much all the time, and na 3 is full almost all the time too. not to mention all the unofficial servers like the zoo (which is really hard to get into, even more so than na1) and ibis

[errant carbon]

ya i remember when legacy had at least 15 to 20 servers capped out always

this game is being held up by maybe 4000 people

and they are losing them

[hoary dawn]

isle does take time to push out updates, but most of the time its for understandable reasons and when they do come out its higher quality content than any other game in the genre

[errant carbon]

i understand and the dev team is tiny

but in the end im afraid this game is dying

[tawny juniper]

People are just waiting for evrima to be done

Legacy is broken

Evrima isn't great yet

[slim wing]

The hell is that suggestion @errant carbon Please only use it to make suggestions >3>

[errant carbon]

yes legacy is broker

[tawny juniper]

People are taking a break

[hoary dawn]

well i mean they are still very much working on it and as long as they are people will still be playing it

[tawny juniper]

it isn't a suggestion it's an intentional arguement starter

[errant carbon]

right

[silver zephyr]

id say evrima is more than alive for what it is, update 2 could barely retain even like 1 or 2 full servers while with update 3.5 the servers are consistently full and have been for a decent period of time as well

[slim wing]

<@&401466542140817419>

[swift dew]

I really don't think it is, legacy still has its usual population, which will hold strong untill evrima actually has gameplay, even update 4 will have massively as it is one of the 3 mechanics that forms the core gameplay loop (the other two being the perk and elder systems)

[errant carbon]

lol peaches wtf you doing

[hoary dawn]

its not argument bait, its just an opinion

[errant carbon]

exactly

im stating what i'v seen all my friends iv played this game with no longer play this game including me

[tawny juniper]

It isn't feedback, it isn't a part of any conversation, it's obviously someone trying to bait an arguement

[errant carbon]

well and i dont have time to sit for 8 hours when i work 5 days a week

[tawny juniper]

There's no context whatsoever

[meager tiger]

Can 2 pachy head rams stack

or is pachy attacks not stackable

[hoary dawn]

fractures will stack

[errant carbon]

lol they deleted my post

[meager tiger]

I meant the shove

shove force

2 pachys ram a carno off a cliff

[hoary dawn]

that i dont know, i doubt it tho

[meager tiger]

sucks

Wanted some teamwork troll moments lol

[tawny juniper]

good, it didn't add to anything and was only a source of heated debate

[sacred moat]

Apollo raptor is

[meager tiger]

Like stuff you see in dino movies

Together Dino Strong

[errant carbon]

@tawny juniper I was just saying this game is dying

[tawny juniper]

for literally no reason

[errant carbon]

exactly

my opinion

[tawny juniper]

So it was an arguement bait

[meager tiger]

is that a suggestion

[errant carbon]

not what i put it up for

[meager tiger]

i dont think the game is dying is a suggestion

maybe if you told us what major problems it had

[errant carbon]

well no because there isn't a general chat

[meager tiger]

instead of being vague

[tawny juniper]

There's #isle-discussion

[meager tiger]

Then it wouldnt have gotten deleted

[hoary dawn]

negative opinions are still feedback

[errant carbon]

thx

[meager tiger]

vague negative feedback is unhelpful

[tawny juniper]

This game sucks isn't feedback

That isn't related but it's an example

[meager tiger]

Deino is OP pls nerf

that setence is feedback yes

but vague

so unhelpful

[hoary dawn]

i do think caveman could've provided points in their post to be more specific but it wasn't argument bait

[meager tiger]

I agree with that

[tawny juniper]

Feedback would be: This game sucks, I think making nights shorter and dinos taking less time to grow.

[hoary dawn]

that's a suggestion combined with feedback

[meager tiger]

I'm just saying vague opinions that could mean anything including a troll post are quite questionable

[blazing charm]

To briefly throw my hat into the ring and hopefully try to steer things down a more constructive route, if you feel a certain way about the game's direction, by all means state your concerns or feelings, but give context and reasoning.

Most importantly of all, if it's negative, try to offer a solution.

[tawny juniper]

a suggestion is feedback, not all feedback is suggestions, all suggestions are feedback

[meager tiger]

wat

[swift dew]

👆

[meager tiger]

King summed it up

[hoary dawn]

pretty much

[meager tiger]

I proceed to drop the case

whose with me

[hoary dawn]

I always kill my own

[meager tiger]

boa should get thermal vision

[tawny juniper]

Isn't it supposed to be a constrictor

[meager tiger]

Since its slow, cant hide at full size, cant fight large or multi packs, and cannot chase pray

[tawny juniper]

not a viper

[meager tiger]

It only gets one shot at dinner

one hit

Well boa will supposldey be heavily fictionlized

[tawny juniper]

tbh I think titanboa is just better left untouched

[meager tiger]

since im pretty sure they arent gonna make a water snake compete with giant spinos, suchos, and croczillas

[tawny juniper]

Not much you can do with it to make it exciting without making it just ridiculously far from what a titanboa is

[meager tiger]

How about instead of titanboa

Just make a whole new species that a large snake

easy

[tawny juniper]

no

[meager tiger]

These dinosaurs are reigneered mutants yes

[tawny juniper]

Idk

[meager tiger]

some Jurrasic park type shit. hell the devs got freaking mutant demon look art of dinosaurs

is a giant snake really out of the question

[tawny juniper]

I'm not going to argue this

it won't go anywhere

[meager tiger]

You are atleast aware the devs have artwork of monsterour looking dino hybrids

[tawny juniper]

Imo titanboa is a waste of time that could be spent developing something will play other than the fact that it's big snake

[meager tiger]

Well we got giant croc, giant lizard, giant teradactyl...idk what other non dinosaur reptile there could be

giant frog?

Giant turtle?

[tawny juniper]

giant pteranodon

[meager tiger]

we already got quetz

[tawny juniper]

as opposed to todays normal sized pteranodons

[visual patrol]

Ornimegalonyx if a giant owl counts

[meager tiger]

Maybe

but thats another flier

a snake is unquie