general-feedback-discussion

[barren zephyr]

lol

[karmic plank]

Servers have a line for "allow replays" so you may be able to record and then replay in a spectator mode like the old battlefield games

[stark dust]

legacy carno,dryo and stego brodcast are better then evirma's

[paper oriole]

not just the broadcasts. legacy juvie carno 4 call just isnt quite as good now...

it was so perfect, why they gotta change it?

[stark dust]

the evirma brodcast for carno and stego are just reversed and dryo has a hiss noise to it which I dont like

[vale pawn]

they sound like theyre gasping for air

[stark dust]

yea

only reason why i am not putting it in general feedback is I will likely be spammed with down votes

[paper oriole]

they sound almost like they were just recorded versions of the actual calls, like there was a drop in quality

[vale pawn]

like from a phone

[paper oriole]

yeah

[stark dust]

utahs is fine

but the 3 call for utah is awful

[paper oriole]

the devs wouldnt dare mess up their favourite jp ripoff bark call lol

poor carno calls tho

[stark dust]

they better not go dirty on pachy's calls

[paper oriole]

i aint holding my hopes up

some of these decisions are just hard to understand

[stark dust]

^^

[stark dust]

dO sMtHinG nEw

[paper oriole]

lol probably the actual reason

[stark dust]

likly

[paper oriole]

who knows though maybe somehow they couldnt transfer the sound files or somethin lol

[stark dust]

probably....

[paper oriole]

man juvie carno 4 call was just the best of them all though its lost its umf

[stark dust]

BUT big but

[paper oriole]

i miss that gut punch wheeze

[stark dust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QdAM_9xH6c&ab_channel=Mecha

they could have just downloaded this

[stark dust]

agree

[stark dust]

could be but they brought back the legacy allo and utah modal for example

[paper oriole]

yeah maybe it was just some awful conscious decision

[stark dust]

yea

[paper oriole]

"lets make the perfectly good dino calls sound like they were recorded in some basement with a phone"

[stark dust]

this is making me worried on some of the dinos making a return from legacy

[paper oriole]

imagine allo 3 call just becomes actual static noise lmao

[stark dust]

utah's 3 call sounds like a gasp in evirma

[paper oriole]

utah 3 call is like those cringy elementary school kids that hiss at you when theyre angry

[stark dust]

hehe yea

hypsi has the best calls out of all the creatures in evirma currently

though legacy calls are superior

[paper oriole]

those kids who take selfies with their hair in their face and all black clothes like "don't make me angry" "DON'T mess with ME" that's what utah is now

hypsi calls are obnoxious but it does fit the animal

[stark dust]

utah more like uwutah

[paper oriole]

utah more like scourge claw the half demon half raptor demigod ruler of docks clan rawr xd dont mess with me i commissioned my red and black raptor oc from a tumblr furry artist for $80

[stark dust]

legacy's utah:docktahs evirma's utahs: rocktahs

[paper oriole]

soon they'll be treetahs too if the utah concept art comes true

i hope they at least fix its calls so i dont gotta listen to it while some cringe raptor spams it at me while im just trying to drink or something

[stark dust]

wait utahs can climb on trees

wtf

[paper oriole]

in its concept it showed a utah momentum climbing a tree taller than a carno

[stark dust]

why

we have herra

[paper oriole]

meaning maybe its going to get yet another way to escape threats that it didnt need because it already climbs rocks

[stark dust]

herra has a tree climbing ability why give it to utah its just gonna make herra unviable since utah can just chase them on the trees and snatch them up

[paper oriole]

actual suffering

[stark dust]

[paper oriole]

a 500kg theropod momentum climbing a tree is a yikes

[stark dust]

this is just making me hate utah in the isle 10 x more

[paper oriole]

especially since this bastard already flies around like a kangaroo on crack and can avoid all its threats

[stark dust]

ye

[stark dust]

atleast they cant butt ride....

I am fine with utah having a pounce but the whole tree climbing thing is just.......no.

[paper oriole]

yeah velo should get the momentum climb instead

it is wasted on utah

i hope it was just some fuckaround drawing for the concept and not an actual thing thats planned

[stark dust]

I hope so to

if they actually do it I am leaving the isle

[paper oriole]

the tree raptors would just be too much

[stark dust]

ok that was abit overexageratted but in general its gonna make me really annoyed an un motivated

[stark dust]

^^

[paper oriole]

they dont need places to sit out of reach and spam call at people after biting them and running like a bitch on every sector of the map, at least quarantine it to a few spots like cmon

at least at the old docks you knew that shit would happen there so you had to consciously expose yourself to it, but trees and rocks are everywhere

[stark dust]

funny how minmi gets a realistic design and anky has a very unique but terrible design

[paper oriole]

lmao right??

[stark dust]

ye

[paper oriole]

i think the devs have a grudge against anky

the whole "bad animal" thing

[stark dust]

[paper oriole]

so they made it look like dog shit

conspiracy theory time

i hope its sounds arent ruined too

[stark dust]

dryo needs a new head

[stark dust]

honk

[paper oriole]

dryos new head looks like its pissed about its changed calls

[stark dust]

exactly

[paper oriole]

at least it fits for how dryo is being played by most people rn

[stark dust]

average hypsi mains vs average dryo player

I am glad that the burrow mechanic is being improved for dryo

[paper oriole]

average spit in peoples eyes fan vs average juvenile destroying and stego soloing enjoyer

[stark dust]

dryo is one of the ogs

[paper oriole]

tbh i dont think dryo needs burrowing, but its better than him just being budget galli

[stark dust]

^^

average giant gator main vs average dino goose player

[vale pawn]

average i just play what i feel like player

[teal parrot]

I agree it’s one of the most perfect games ever made IMO! What platform? I’m on PS4. Got an elven MK, who I’m struggling to find elven looking armor for. Lol. I wish they would release more dlc for that game I would buy it instantly.

[pure fossil]

Let’s continue this in #offtopic-discussion @teal parrot

[maiden anvil]

No

[karmic plank]

I actually kinda like the big gallop, you actually feel like you weigh 6t

[paper oriole]

I think stego having its sprint speed lowered to a weightier speedwalk would be fine as long as it is compensated with a hefty stamina pool buff because its already boring as fuck to travel with

And it barely outruns deino

[urban flax]

@pale crest You know, there is stamina in the game, it does pretty much what you described

[limber hull]

true, but overall fatigue is what i believe is being implied

honestly, it could be kinda cool to have dinos actually sleeping through the night

[urban flax]

Yeah but sleeping for 30 minutes isn't really fun gameplay

[limber hull]

same way you can sprint for a while and sit down to get that energy back, but your overall energy is reduced via existence

[urban flax]

Kinda like in Outward, where your max stamina lowers with time ?

[limber hull]

and eventually you need to sleep

kinda, i guess?

i think it could be kind of cool, if the decrease was slow

i like the idea of actually needing to sleep outside of "haha, log out mode"

[urban flax]

Yeah but how would you get it back ? You already need to rest to get your stamina back up, so what ? Rest longer ?

I don't want to be forced to sleep and stare at a black screen for more than 1 minute in this game either

[limber hull]

this is fair

[pale crest]

It wouldnt be that long tho

I just said it would be like 3 mins from no rest to full rest

[limber hull]

but at the same time, eventually NV will be in the game, and night will be looking at a dark screen anyways

lmao

[molten tulip]

I saw sleep being used to heal locked health/stats fast before I thought it was nice

[pale crest]

And I feel stam doesnt quite get at it as well. I mean I just think it would be a way to try to negate people who makes stacks and stacks of bodies

[urban flax]

Still has the problem of making the player stare at a black screen and not do anything for several minutes

[urban flax]

I don't think it would be that effective against kfs, and would hinder everyone else's gameplay

[pale crest]

It would be a srsly slow mechanic though, and you would only need to think about it every 30 mins- an hour.

Or practically 2 ingame days so it wouldnt be that oppresive

[urban flax]

Then it's absolutely useless against kfs, and pretty much overall

Unless you want it as a message for players to regularly make pauses and go outside every hour of playing

Except that their dino can be killed during that time

[pale crest]

hmm well then technically everytime you take a bit of damage it would make you become far more tired then

[urban flax]

Screws balance in favor of small and elusive playables
Especially dryos

[pale crest]

I mean that would semi be the point then for them to usually play in groups so there's more strategy behind what they do

[urban flax]

That actually makes hunting in packs less strategic
Because then whatever you do your prey will end up exhausted and uable to defend itself

[steep warren]

@pale crest Its pretty much stam in a nutshell

but more complex

[pale crest]

I just dont think stam quite cuts it as well sometimes. But I suppose the diet update would help corral players in watching what they do and eat

plus I think it would be cute to see groups of carnotaurs or raptors just snoozing a bit in a quiet setting

[safe galleon]

Disgusting mixpacking

[limber hull]

same dude, i love the sleep anims, wish it was used more than just safelogs

[pale crest]

I 👏 Said 👏 OR 👏 raptors

[pale crest]

Srsly, I think it should be beneficial so you can watch people snooze all the time lol

[limber hull]

i agree, i wanna see packs sleeping together with one playing watch

[safe galleon]

doesn't sound fun being forced to afk and have a black screen but that's just me

[pale crest]

It wouldn't be the exact same as the safelogging mechanic, I think you would be able to see what's going on but the camera would be locked where you place it. And I feel it would generally encourage some players to be in a pack, rather than eat eachother half the time

[keen reef]

@somber egret yeah, they need to give people at least a short warning so they can give their dinos a last fight and a glorious death

I know I'd be mad if I'd have just grown something the other day and then they said there was a wipe, and I couldn't even load the game in time to do anything

[paper oriole]

Another arch/micro suggestion

[odd sedge]

Arch is smaller than micro

Look how tall micro is compared to Austro

[paper oriole]

Yeah theyre both so pathetic sized lmao

[odd sedge]

Now tell me how this is a good idea?

[paper oriole]

I could put arch on a bun and eat it

[odd sedge]

You could tho

[paper oriole]

Hes the size of a chicken leg lmaoo

[odd sedge]

No doubt arch would fit between two sandwich buns

[paper oriole]

Changyuraptor chad vs virgin archaeopteryx

O wait apparently the small guy in the pic is micro that makes it even worse

[odd sedge]

So Chang would be around velo sized?

That could work tho

[paper oriole]

Chang is a bit smaller than velo i think

[odd sedge]

It could work though, since the entire arboreal niche will probably not get as big, but it shouldn't be too small

[paper oriole]

Hes like 8-9lb and arch is a whopping 2. Hes actually quite a ways lighter than velo

Heavier than compy, arch and micro

Honestly if they dont make velo an arboreal glider, then changyu or balaur are probably among the best additions for it

[ashen wasp]

Honestly not a huge fan of the “gliding Velo” idea- if anything, let Velo use RPR and then parachute down with its wings for reduced/inconsequential fall damage

[paper oriole]

Skowfall would be nice, personally i want velo to be a sort of all-terrain dino. Good at everything but not great at anything

Well except swimming maybe. But momentum climbing, slowfall, above average terrain scaling and burrow invading plus a pounce on the backs/necks of targets

[tawny juniper]

He's a small chicken

Maybe arch/micro as ambient ai flying through the trees that you couldn't catch could work

that's the only way I see them ingame as anything that would add anything

[paper oriole]

ive never seen a chicken as small as arch

hes like the size of a pigeon

[hoary dawn]

i hope velo gets a glide, no other animal in the roster would really suit it and its such an interesting niche

[outer condor]

💪

[pulsar lake]

Ngl those birds are awesome looking

would be great AI

but playable?

Eh.

Biggest thing would be Balaur Bondoc so it is at least 5kg, but it still is as small as fucking Compy...

oh wait maybe a bit bigger. Still too small.

[paper oriole]

balaur has been talked about a bit here lately, great dino

especially with the omnivore roster still in its budding stage

balaur is the size of a velociraptor, so i don't think he is too small

[hoary dawn]

evrima release - June 18th 2020
update 1 - September 26th 2020
update 2 - November 30th 2020
update 3 - April 30th 2021
update 3.5 - May 29th 2021

update 2 only took 2 months

i assume the reason update 4 is taking so long is because of the balancing phase of the mechanics

[peak valley]

oh, yeah, my bad

[paper oriole]

fracture would be an awful thing to release unpolished lol

[feral solstice]

I mean it’s only slightly longer than update 2 so far

[sturdy scroll]

has anyone said something about skimming giving water yet

[paper oriole]

yeah there's been a few suggestions for it

[peak valley]

I assume that too, but my questioning it's not about the time itself, but if they took out other features, mechanics and dinosaurs to update more fast, earlier than before

If they update at the same time (around 3/4 months)

Did it change something?

[hoary dawn]

this next update is gonna be a hefty one

reworking most of the map, adding 2 integral gameplay mechanics, new lighting system

[feral solstice]

This update has more stuff than even update 3

[hoary dawn]

not to mention they've teased some unannounced stuff coming with it

[feral solstice]

And it’s taking slightly longer than 2

That’s fast

Imagine if it were taking the same amount of time as update 1 or even 3

[peak valley]

3 months tho, and upcoming to 4 in the end of this month with up 4.5

[hoary dawn]

4.5 might come at the same time of they finish qa testing pachy by the time everything else is done

[peak valley]

No, probably 4 will be in the first 2 weeks of this month and 4.5 in the end of the month

At least more one week for testing

[hoary dawn]

idk, pachy is very nearly done

[peak valley]

Pachy is done, actually, they're already testing it

[hoary dawn]

its done when the testing is done

[peak valley]

But it wouldn't make sense to have 2 separate updates and release at the same time

[hoary dawn]

the devs put pachy in 4.5 because they didn't want to hold back the release of 4 if it wasn't done

updates are more focused on mechanics then playables

they are hiring

[icy lion]

theyre actively looking for them

[peak valley]

I know that, that's why I talk in my comment about organization and talk with us
If they put in the same update, but talk more often

It seems like lack of communication sometimes

[hoary dawn]

they communicate a lot idk what you mean

[peak valley]

money, man, they are indie

it's not that easy

[swift dew]

money isnt the issue, they just can't find anyone that suits what they need I suppose

[icy lion]

because thats how hiring applicants works

depending on the position and requirements, yes

great feedback, dryo, good job

[swift dew]

[hoary dawn]

finding quality developers doesn't happen quickly, not much else to it

i'd rather wait and get something good than have a rushed game

[icy lion]

source?

you tell me

its your line

[hoary dawn]

i think lunary wants a source on your claim that plenty of qualified people are lining up for the job

[peak valley]

If it's that easy to find that plenty of people, give the source

[swift dew]

you're a 14 year old kid. you cannot tell me you that you have knowledge about hiring people

[hoary dawn]

i mean its also logical that making games takes time

[icy lion]

#isle-discussion message

[silver zephyr]

your logs

[peak valley]

say 3

[vale pawn]

this year

[swift dew]

fine, you might be 15. but you still cannot tell me that you have knowledge about hiring people

you hire people?

[peak valley]

So say 3 games that came out very fast, as u said

[swift dew]

so how do you know its as easy as your making it out to be?

[peak valley]

Breath of the wild of Nintendo a big company with prob hundreds of people working on it

[icy lion]

you tell me, since you seem to know it was fast

[swift dew]

breath of the wild was supposed to come out in 2015. it was delayed to 2016. delayed AGAIN where it finally came out in 2017

[hoary dawn]

cuphead isn't a 3d massively multiplayer survival game

[peak valley]

5

[icy lion]

released in 2017

after it was already 40% done

[swift dew]

it was "anounced" in 2014, which means it was in development for alot longer than that

[icy lion]

not only is this offtopic but this is pretty blatant bait, so im gonna ask this topic get dropped

[feral solstice]

Finding developer applicants is not easy whatsoever

[peak valley]

Diablo III for example took 11 years, and we are talking about Blizzard, so..

[feral solstice]

You have people to actually develop your game, and asshole devs who try to sabotage it or don’t have the qualities required to actually develop something

What

[hoary dawn]

i dont think its a bait, it is a pretty common complaint that isle takes a while to pump out content.

which it does

most of the time there are good reasons for it, but not reasons the average player would know unless they kept informed on the discord

[karmic plank]

I don't think it's bait, just late-stage Dunning-Kruger effect. You see it in way more industries than game development, but games have lots of vocal, inexperienced, and passionate people so it's more obvious. That and people getting medical advice from Facebook.

This is all offtopic, but if someone thinks AE is deliberately wasting time, remember everyone on the Dev team is drawing a wage from Dondi's bank account - potentially to the tune of half a million a year - so ask what the possible motivation would be to waste time.

[hoary dawn]

ae

[tawny juniper]

what

[hoary dawn]

ae

[tawny juniper]

That's the name of the dev team

Like their team is AE

[hoary dawn]

is it?

ae is Apollo Engineering, the fictional company from the lore

[tawny juniper]

I thought that was what the team went by aswell

Maybe it isn't

[hoary dawn]

ik the company is called afterthought

[ashen wasp]

Yeah, pff, I just call em “the dev team”

[icy lion]

the dev team is Afterthought LLC

ae aka Apollo Engineering is the in-game company

[tawny juniper]

Ah

[paper oriole]

A human would probably have to allow themself to be killed by a minmi lol

[hoary dawn]

pretty much any dino should be able to kill a human if the human cant get away

[paper oriole]

Yeah humans bleed like water balloons

One good bite on the arm from a troodon would probably end a human, honestly

[hoary dawn]

yea

i dont see an unarmed human standing much of a chance against a giant venomous snake with legs

[paper oriole]

Why do you always post a spino render under the suggestion lol

Pretty sure it had been mentioned in a stream that it will be using its arms/claws as well tho

So it should

[tidal frigate]

Becuase I want people to see it so they can see where I’m coming from

[peak valley]

@gilded jacinth Weekly Recap could be more expansive and informative, but I like your idea. It would be nice if they say the issues they're having that week, how things are going for each category of their mechanic, system, dinosaur (Animation, sound, mechanic etc..). Sometimes they lack on communication and only answer something like "oh, it's everything okay", but how it is okay? How are things going? Any issues? Show us some cool and new stuff to tease us.
If only recap had more informative stuff about their progress, instead of publicing how many tasks they did that week, would be awesome, we would know the progress of that week, what they are exactly doing. I like DevBlog a lot, but it's only 1 per month and a lot of things there sometimes are not even in the upcoming Update.

[feral solstice]

Yeah but there’s a reason why

They can’t say anything due to legal reasons, and in order for that to not take effect, it has to be agreed to by the dev team I think (or maybe it’s just Dondi who calls the shots).

^ Aka NDA

[peak valley]

Why legal reasons?

[feral solstice]

Every developer has to sign it, because if information gets leaked out by an irresponsible developer, it could cause hype, drama, etc.

Sometimes it gets to the point of overhype

And you know how bad that can get

[peak valley]

oh, but I'm not saying to do that if they don't have permission

[gilded jacinth]

Yeah but we really do need to know more than "Things are going swimmingly" 30 times from punch. Although I do appreciate that they even will say anything at all. I just want something more.

[peak valley]

Recap on roadmap isn't like that also, it would be the same thing, but with more info

And we already have a lot of hype and drama because we don't have so much info

Just see isle-discussion and a lot of people saying things that weren't even mentioned

[gilded jacinth]

By not giving us anything at all they're retroactively causing us to overhype.

[peak valley]

Exactly

[feral solstice]

There’s not much else they can say. Going beyond that can lead into the actual internal branch which is something they aren’t allowed to say unless it’s agreed upon by the team or Dondi

[feral solstice]

I’d beg to differ. It seems to be pissing off the community

Look in the steam chats

It’s sad

Like sometimes they’ll even say they’ve got a few gamebreaking bugs to iron out before they release.. well whatever they’re developing.

[gilded jacinth]

Our imaginations are running wild with no direction because they won't tell us what's wrong. Which can lead to disappointment and disatifaction. I'm sure if they had dev streams to discuss just what's going on it can help.

[peak valley]

I think they can say more about their progress, issues, what are they doing on that week, which thing they are working on
Plus that, 20 days to task something on Trello. Anxiety goes high

[feral solstice]

Oh don’t worry, they’ve explained why that happen

[maiden osprey]

the focus of the comment is the issue of transparency with the community and not the time they take to deliver updates.

[feral solstice]

I think some time ago Kissen explained the reason why fractures haven’t been updated much is because of the 20+ animations she has to develop, which in ‘n of itself is a relief.

[peak valley]

No no, I'm not talking about fractures tho
I'm talking about Diet System

[feral solstice]

Oh yeah, I’m just stating an example of the things they’ve said about these things that happen

[peak valley]

Also, Fractures since the beginning is just 4 tasks for QA

So.. I didn't expect that much, actually

[feral solstice]

Well they DID start testing the diet system way before they had models for the dietary plants

Good call on them..

But yeah. Most of it I think from as far as we know is due to balance.

Think of it this way. Diets are the very first gameplay loop that they’ve ever ironed out to the fullest. A mistake could destroy that and throw off the balance

[peak valley]

Well, on Roadmap they tasked a lot of things on 7 July and we only got news on that 21 days later, when they tasked Funcionality Testing

And I'm not complaining taking their time to work on each mechanic

[feral solstice]

Oh yeah, when functionality testing is complete that usually means a bunch of things will be ticked off, and remember, every task is a multitude of things, not just one. Take locomotion for example. It’s walking, trotting, running, crouching, crouch-walking, etc.

[feral solstice]

I understand. You’re pretty chill.

God this is a relief from all the negative people in this community thus far

[peak valley]

I know, but before it was like that tho, u know? That is my complaining actually

before the rework on roadmap they tasked on trello individually

And we had regular updates there

So we knew what was going on

Since that time, they started to task by category (as u said, locomotion for example)

[feral solstice]

It was the same as it always was. We’ve had incidents like this even before the rework where it would take long to tick something off.

[peak valley]

If they want to do that, okay by me
But communicate with us the progress about a week, on recap for example

[feral solstice]

They still do, btw.

[feral solstice]

That’s what they’ve been doing, but it doesn’t seem as professional, honestly.

That’s something I agree with

It needs to be upped a bit

[peak valley]

Sometimes they don't even do that

We had some recaps with really not much info about that week

[gilded jacinth]

I think the reason this is taking about as long as it did for update 3 to come out is because it's 2 brand new systems they're working on. Update 5 should be extremely quick comparitively as legacy skin system and nest system are already pretty good and functional. They'll just have to add small differences but I don't see much need in changing it too much.

[peak valley]

Even last week wasn't that informative (they put the tasks they had on trello and devblog)

I miss something more since they will only tick off tasks on trello when all (or almost) tasks of each category is done

[maiden osprey]

the time it takes to complete an update doesn't matter when the job is done right.
to know in a more real way what they are working on, the difficulties they are having is what is really needed.
when updates 2, 3 were in development the updates the community received more often than they are now.

[peak valley]

Before update 3 it was common to also tick off tasks there individually

It happens already, but less

[peak valley]

Really? For me it's the opposite tho

[feral solstice]

Yeah they’ve been explaining their recaps (if that’s what you’re saying). They do it on a regular basis (Monday - Friday). Sometimes there are drought periods where there’s less information but that’s due to development and again, NDA.

Sometimes they even explain something entirely different, but eh.

[peak valley]

Well, if u read the recaps for the last 4 weeks u will see that there is not so many things going on there

[feral solstice]

I wouldn’t even say update 4 is taking about as long as update 3. Update 3 took over 3 months (closing in on the 4 mark) to develop, while update 4 has only been developed for little over 2 months.

And update 4 has far more than update 3 has ever released

[peak valley]

update 3 took over 5 months

[feral solstice]

Update 3 started actual development back in January

And released during the late-end of April

[peak valley]

2 was released in the beginning of December and 3 was late April

[icy lion]

the devs then took a break, and after that worked on hotfixes

[peak valley]

Yeah, I know

[icy lion]

actual development on update 3 didnt truly start until february

[peak valley]

There was some hotfix

[feral solstice]

Yeah. Update 3 didn’t take over 5 months, especially over the fact they took a break, developed hotfixes, and THEN went full force on developing update 3.

It’s amazing how update 4 has so much stuff, and is in testing when it’s only little over 2 months in development.

[gilded jacinth]

Once update 6 is out I think they deserve a break

[feral solstice]

Yeah

Do remember they take holiday breaks

[gilded jacinth]

At least a 3 month long break

[feral solstice]

So if they can time it JUST right

[feral solstice]

I’d say atleast a month break. I doubt the devs want to take a 3 month break lol

[peak valley]

Even if they want, community will get freak lol

[feral solstice]

They didn’t freak out AS MUCH when they took that 1 month break.

Imagine a 3 month break..

[gilded jacinth]

True. Ok a month then. Once they come back they should probably work on the perk system and elders tbh

[feral solstice]

Perks aren’t assigned to an update, and diets are the first step in lining elders up, and so perks are next after diets.

Perks require diets

[peak valley]

Probably Nesting too

Since it wil rely on skin

[gilded jacinth]

I'm still checking daily for protoceratops to get on the Trello and they haven't added it

Idk why it's the only one with official art not added

[feral solstice]

They’re probably developing dinos that are perfect for specific updates.
Cerato (and compy) with gore
Ovi with nesting
Troodon with venom and day/night cycle
And Pachy with fractures

[gilded jacinth]

What does that have to do with adding proto to the Trello list of inhabitants

[peak valley]

Compy it has some videos of it, cerato kissen was making question for us (personality trait, for animation) for example

[feral solstice]

Oh yeah the inhabitants tab is a thing

That idk

[gilded jacinth]

Like proto is so cute but it's existence is ignored unu

[peak valley]

If I'm correct even before roadmap rework on Trello, proto wasn't on plans there

So they don't think he match up with the mechanics

It will come only after all of em of that list of inhabitants, prob

[hoary dawn]

we already receive more than enough information via devblogs, if you dont consider the boatloads of stuff we get straight from the devs whenever they talk in chat

[hoary dawn]

cerato has not been said to come with gore nor ovi with nesting, punch said the next dino they're working on after pachy is troodon

[peak valley]

I'm sorry, but I don't agree that much
And I'm talking specifically about the upcoming update (in that case, 4 and 4.5)

Sometimes lot of DevBlog it's about somethings that we're getting on that specific update

[hoary dawn]

there's not much more they could even tell us, we know a whole lot about most of the upcoming features

[peak valley]

It's not confirmed or anything, but it could be some creature, humans, IA or even dinosaurs for update 5 to 6.5 for example, like Filipe said

[hoary dawn]

what

[peak valley]

And Kissen in a while made questions for the community about cerato

[hoary dawn]

we have a roadmap of exactly what they plan on adding in those updates

[peak valley]

Yeah and u think they will only release what its in there?

Sometimes they release some "little" features too

[hoary dawn]

i think that if they planned on adding an entire dinosaur to the update they would put in on the roadmap in said update

[peak valley]

And Filipe said that, it could have on update 5 to 6.5 some dinosaur, human or even AI creature

If it doesn't take a lot of time from the dev team

[hoary dawn]

quote?

[peak valley]

Like this, for example

[hoary dawn]

humans i can see being tacked on to one of the major updates or just added as a hotfix, but for dinos it would almost certainly be part of the roadmap

[peak valley]

AI for example were in development in a while

With Amarok

Doing utah, tenonto and more dryo AI

[hoary dawn]

ai got pushed back again and again until they decided to not even give an eta on its release, its not the same as going against their plan to put mechanics over new playables

[peak valley]

Or that one, from Punch

[limber hull]

the way they've been talking about humans makes me think they could just be thrown into the game at any time lmao

[hoary dawn]

"can"

[peak valley]

And I said it was confirmed?

[hoary dawn]

no

but its not likely going from what else they've said about dino plans

anything is possible with this team, their plans change often. i just prefer to rely on the most confirmed info instead of speculating

unless its outright confirmed cerato or ovi is coming before troodon, i wouldn't expect them to

[peak valley]

Yeah, I know that, I only trust what it is in the Roadmap, but if they say, can happen

Does not mean that will happen

[hoary dawn]

they also said they could pump out a playable a month back before evrima released, its just not worth counting on a maybe

[peak valley]

Since ovi and cerato was on the previous Roadmap, it wouldn't surprise me
I'm not counting that will happen, but it has a chance tho

[limber hull]

eh, i think the chances of another playable dino are slim, especially with their current heavy focus on humans and pachy

if we're getting another playable outside of pachy, it probably will not be a dino

[peak valley]

I think that too, as someone said, they will only release a dino that its not confirmed if they have a lot of time to do it

[hoary dawn]

the whole point of the roadmap reshuffle was to put core mechanics at the forefront, so that implementing dinos would go smoother after

[peak valley]

I know, as I said in general-feedback

[hoary dawn]

that combined with the fact that we have confirmation that troodon is next in line to be worked on makes any dino coming before then extremely unlikely

[peak valley]

What's in my mind is that what's in Roadmap WILL come to Update. Anything outside that has a chance, but not confirmed

[hoary dawn]

i mean

i guess

its such a low chance tho

[feral solstice]

I know, those were just examples of creatures with perfect update matchups

[karmic plank]

Thanks for the correction, that does make more sense.

[feral solstice]

I mean I doubt they’ll not take the opportunity to release ovi with the nesting system

[karmic plank]

Pachy is being released solo as another carno matchup, right?

[meager tiger]

I heard human size is innacurate. Someone said crocdile is small compared to human cam?

Shouldnt the animals be massive and scary

[limber hull]

size, i believe, is accurate

[feral solstice]

It is in no way shape or form a carno matchup

[limber hull]

however, that's an artefact of not managing FOV

[feral solstice]

Filipe said that the best you can do is break its leg and run off

[limber hull]

in subnautica, this also happened

leviathans appeared smaller than they were

[karmic plank]

Ah, so where does it sit relative to teno?

[meager tiger]

Ohhh

ok

[limber hull]

in order to fix this, i'd probably imagine the best thing you can do is lower the FOV

[feral solstice]

Teno honestly could probably demolish it, as Carno and Teno are pretty much equals

[limber hull]

since a larger field of view makes the animals appear smaller in comparison

[feral solstice]

But 2 Pachys I could see killing a teno if they break most of its limbs

[meager tiger]

Can dino players join tribals

[limber hull]

carno wont have a matchup for a while lmao, we just have to wait for cerato

[karmic plank]

Hmm, so it's more like a Utah matchup?

If we were to over-simplify tiers

[feral solstice]

Yeah

Pachy and Utah are equals

[honest sparrow]

1 pachy if it gets a hit can disable a tenos ability to run or attack without hurting itself, and thus you keep fracturing it and eventually it will either starve or dehydrate

[karmic plank]

Gotcha, thanks. I'm pretty ignorant of a lot of the upcoming stuff

[feral solstice]

If Pachy gets the first hit on a Utah that Utah is crippled and will die. If Utah pounces Pachy and Pachy doesn’t counter-pounce the Utah in time, the Pachy is dead.

[karmic plank]

Counter-pounce? Like head charge?

[feral solstice]

Counter pounce is its other ability

Think of it like a bull during a rodeo

But it’s to counter and prevent the Utah from pouncing it

If Pachy counters the pounce on time, it would knock the Utah to the ground.

[karmic plank]

Oh, so basically a parry

[feral solstice]

Pretty much yeah

[karmic plank]

Interesting... I wonder how many even matchups pachys will actually get, considering Utah group sizes

But depending on diets I assume pachys will try to group with tenos like tenos do with stegos

and utahs will need to rely on numbers or skill to get picks

[feral solstice]

I honestly don’t know. Teno was originally said to be a swamp Herbivore. I can’t see Pachy being the same.

[limber hull]

Pachy is probably the mountain herbi

[feral solstice]

Oh yeah

The concept art showed Pachy hanging around mountains

[karmic plank]

Teno has a higher sprint swim speed than deino, doesn't it? Would make sense for it to be swamp located

[feral solstice]

Correct

[limber hull]

teno has an absurdly fast swimspeed

same with hypsi

[karmic plank]

Weird it doesn't use its tail to swim

[limber hull]

yea, that tail seems like it'd be the main reason it swims so fast

[feral solstice]

I’d like that honestly

Since animations are being reworked

[karmic plank]

I wonder whether semi-aquatic dinos will be able to duck-dive to see underwater

[paper oriole]

animals with white details like regional spots and stripes can still camouflage a lot of times, i don't think white should really be so heavily restricted, only to main colour areas like the body base. same could go for some other 'exposing' colours like orange

being completely limited to browns, greens and greys would be boring on any dino

[karmic plank]

I think they were more meaning give options, but limit it so we don't get Barney Rex's and all that

That whole system is likely done or close to already anyway

[honest sparrow]

Each dino does have a hurt and death sound

Idk what you’re on about

[keen bear]

Hi Guys i am a krok but i cant you a group

[odd sedge]

No matter the skill of both players, a Utah and a Pachy fighting each other in great heights will always be in Pachys favor.
Utah can pin Pachy down sure, but one head slam and the Utah flies over the cliff to its death

[limber hull]

i know, its awesome

[pulsar lake]

Utah pinning Pachy is so dumb

Isle Utah weighting something like 380kg (500kg will most likely be changed for 380)pinning down a 550kg animal.

If it does, I hope like Pachy and other animals of a similar sizes just fuck up Utah pounce so it is terrible to take on similar sized animals.

Utah : should be decent at hunting smaller animals and very large ones in pack, both Bek g relied to pounce.

[ashen wasp]

Utah pounce isn’t gonna pin Pachy, iirc.

[paper oriole]

That carni instakill suggestion

[urban flax]

Make à full-on elaborated combat system
Don't use it and make carnis instakill prey with a qte instead

[sand widget]

inter-species competition is good, but I believe that the reverse should not be forgotten. Ex: as I already mentioned in the past. it would be good to see the emergence of a symbiotic mutual aid. Compy or Ptera which cleans the teeth of the deinos. little creature that lands on the back of the stego and cleans its wounds and eats the small parasites. that the 2 species gain mutual aid. !

[odd sedge]

Dilo please.
It's probably going to weigh more than Utah so it getting pinned down by it just feels wrong.

However, we don't know what Dilo playstyle will be like, from the concepts, it seems like more of a brawler with venom and incredible night vision so we might need to wait and see

[gilded jacinth]

@steep warren while I like your idea I think that it would be functionally the same as venom. Infection could be done the same way as necrosis. Your line of thinking seems to line up with how everyone thought komodo dragons and all monitor lizards had necrotic bacteria in their mouths but where proven wrong. In a sense it's the same kind of thinking as featherless raptors. So I'm gonna have to disagree and say we should use venom instead as it lines up with actual monitor lizards and is one of the few ways this series could be seen as taking a step forward instead of a step back or ignoring science for the rule of cool.

Rather than tying infection to megalanias bite why not have it be the general way infection works, with predators being able to find you more easily if you are infected

[paper oriole]

megalania should have an anticoagulent venom that leaves an easy to follow trail due to the steady bloodflow

if we get infections it should be from things like cerato and rugops bites, taco quills, etc

[gilded jacinth]

I don't know about taco quills but cerato and rugops I can see since they're corpse eaters and non venomous

[paper oriole]

porcupine quills are gross af and wounds from them are prone to infection

so it would be a cool addition for taco

in my opinion, at least

[gilded jacinth]

Maybe taco could get its quills bacteria by rolling in corpses. I'll be honest taco doesn't strike me as that dirty otherwise. And the quills could possibly inhibit movement or biting like how quills also work

[paper oriole]

bro that para suggestion has been copy pasted liek 6 times maybe lol

[barren zephyr]

Dont porcupine quills have teeny barbs

Eh almost 4 months by me yes but others idk lol it would be nice cuz it kinda gives me a headache with its current sound

[paper oriole]

personally i like the deep para sounds mainly the 3 call

its like a war horn

[barren zephyr]

Im only meaning 1 call cuz i love the others but its so gutteral it just kinda weird to have a call come from the gut be that loud and the horn on its head serves almost no purpose

When we know it has a sound chamber in said horn

[swift dew]

it probably will, that is most likely just pachy's charged headbutt, and that takes priority over utahs pounce so the utah gets knocked away

[molten tulip]

solid snake magy

I think that honestly has potential to be fun

[paper oriole]

How the fuck would increasing group size limits decrease kfs/cannibalism?

People dont cannibalise and kfs because somebody wont fit in their group, they do it because it's fun. And larger group sizes will make it even easier to gang up on solo players and small groups of friends

[noble pine]

@stoic lichen exactly, I forgot to mention pachy since it wasn’t on my mind but yeah, it wouldn’t have any bone breaking ability, just a stun to give giga the upper hand against something it may not be able to catch or stand up to fully. The charge idea is more going for a “you have to time this right or you’re going to mess up and lose the kill or get yourself into a bad situation” so charging at a rex and only charging your ram for a second is going to get you a one way ticket back to selection screen, since you didn’t take the time to use your charge properly. Also, when I say charge I don’t mean literally charging your opponent, I mean charging the impact force, so you could do it while idle or while in motion, but it wouldn’t be anything similar to pachy, no BB and little damage.

[stoic lichen]

yea i get what u mean, but pachy’s charge is also an idle charge if i’m not mistaken and i just thought it’ll be too similar to what pachy will have

[noble pine]

I guess, i just don’t really see another ability fitting giga since it doesn’t have large arms or lock jaw like rex and spino.

And flesh grazing is for sauropods

[stoic lichen]

yea that’s true

[keen bear]

Yo Guys do you know if there Will be new animals on the evrima beta

[barren zephyr]

When updates come, yes

[sacred moat]

responding to the nerf dryo bite suggestion. Yes i think a bite force of 45-50 should decent for dryo instead of the 75. But how did you lose your 40% carno when your bite force is 92 and your weight is more than twice the dryos.

[paper oriole]

Dryo has a lot of agility and stamina to harass a young carno to death

It sounds dumb but it is very possible

Dryo can solo stego as well

[sacred moat]

i mean you just need to stand still and trade hits as a 40% carno

you'll kill it in 2 body shots

[paper oriole]

Dryo can avoid the hits

[sacred moat]

yeah but carno has a pretty fast bite speed

[paper oriole]

It avoids hits from carno and stego, despite carno's attack speed it has an inferior turn

Dryo can run circles around a carno

[barren zephyr]

I never try killing juvies as Dryo cuz I'm coward

[paper oriole]

Im sure the juvies are grateful lol

[odd sedge]

Why be a coward? What do you have to fear as a dryo?
You can't die and if you do, just sit in a bush for three seconds and you have another fully grown one

The world shall fear the screams of a dryo

[barren zephyr]

Like being dryo and I wanna see how long can I survive as my Dryo, because Dryo is my 3rd favourite dino atm in Evrima

Also... I am not bloodthirsty

[keen bear]

Are sharks coming in too?

[hoary dawn]

sharks aren't planned for the foreseeable future as far as i know

[keen bear]

Ohh

[warm wyvern]

are the 'banks' in swamp getting fixed anytime soon? the steep mini cliffs that fall straight into water and impossible to get out have drowned me twice now

[hoary dawn]

a lot of those are intentional

[kindred flare]

@glossy sierra night vision won't be toggleable in evrima

[crude girder]

also you can rebind your controls

[urban bear]

@glossy sierra just change your controls in settings that bind you are talking about is just the default one

[hasty dagger]

Megalodon

[stark dust]

megalainia needs a head rework it looks very derpy.

[stark dust]

I dont see the problem with it tbh

we have megalania confirmed which is a cenozoic creature so it may as well not be a bad option

[hasty dagger]

No

That thing is the definition of unbalanced

20 meter Titan with the largest bite force of anything known to man

[stark dust]

ah

[paper oriole]

I hope we never get megalodon

Literally just the t rex of sharks and it would be broken af

[stark dust]

enter brachiosaurus

[sacred moat]

Megalodon is sooooo crusty i hope they never add it

[stark dust]

is it even being planned?

[paper oriole]

Yeah fuck megalodon

[paper oriole]

Probably not

[sacred moat]

Id rather a bob krono pasted in the isle than megalodon

[stark dust]

dorudon

[slim wing]

ew

[paper oriole]

Fat

[sacred moat]

What even

[stark dust]

didnt see that coming

[paper oriole]

lmao

Parahelicoprion is a better prehistoric shark than boring mega anyway

[midnight bane]

Also does any1 know what the megalanias role is gonna be? Quite curious

[stark dust]

we dont know

we just have the design

[icy lion]

itll be venemous

but thats all we know

[hoary dawn]

probably same/similar as modern komodo dragons

[stark dust]

and have derpy face

[paper oriole]

Assuming its supposed to act like the animals its based on itll probably be a venomous endurance hunter

[midnight bane]

Ah right, thanks

[stark dust]

np

[karmic plank]

That's a neat idea, I like it

[paper oriole]

Taco will probably (hopefully) still be a burrowing animal too so I doubt he’s all that clean anyway

[tawny juniper]

@tidal frigate That isn't feedback

[kindred basalt]

Please tell me that it won’t take you guys as long to re texture and add the rest of the cast as it did Pachy. Took you guys like a year to add a Dino that was playable in legacy with all but 2 animations.

[teal parrot]

Looks like my last suggestion got a single dislike. Who bets it’s a griefer type? Lol! Jk

[gilded jacinth]

Assuming it lives similarly to komodo dragons it'll be a predator/scavenger with the young being more arboreal predators. Kinda like a clean up crew kind of function

[limber hull]

i dont know what this "nerf speed" thing is all about tbh

[silver zephyr]

on filipes stream hypno and filipe confirmed that there will be a universal speed nerf, so not really a nerf so much as a general change since it applies to everything

[tepid gate]

Wouldn't be surprised if it actually helps the performance too.

[limber hull]

probably because they tried adding a realistic human speed and quickly realised how fucking quick everything was in comparison

lmao

[gilded jacinth]

I hope to God that they don't super nerf carno. It's literally built for running

[limber hull]

yea, carn still needs to be the best

[tepid gate]

I hope they just decrease the speed of everything proportionally.

[limber hull]

i think this can buff ambushes tho, because now players wont instantly fucking disappear or get away the moment they see movement. Always been hard to catch prey when they're so fast that they can get into a forest in no time

[slim wing]

I do really want them to fix the lag and rubberbanding issues.

[karmic plank]

And engine constraints. I've set up 5v5 dryo fights and holy crap the game struggles, even on top end servers

Massive fps drops and mini freezes

[limber hull]

dryo tbh needs more than just a universal speed nerf

it needs an actual, logical, not over the top speed. Make this thing into a DRYO, not a galli

[hoary dawn]

its the type that doesn't think the game needs to be tailored towards bs rule servers

[silver zephyr]

hopefully, I imagine they would change everythings speed proportionally and then apply speed changes after that, such as nerfing dryos speed after the universal speed change

[karmic plank]

The server tick rate is too low for the speed stuff moves atm, and slowing everything down lets them scale the map down a bit

[molten tulip]

I've always felt the animations are too slow for the in-game speed

From a distance the theropods look like speed logs with little flipping legs underneath

[gilded jacinth]

Currently I disagree. Dryo speed is literally the only thing making it viable. Once burrowing is in sure go ahead. But for now no. Dryo literally can't do shit other than run and dodge.

[silver zephyr]

dryo survived fine prior to its speed buff

[gilded jacinth]

Even hypsi can do more shit than dryo

[limber hull]

i think it's too viable, to the point of boredom. Agility and turn radius plays a huge factor as well in how well dryo plays, and the speed buff is unnecessary

[karmic plank]

Nobody is saying just make dryos slow, they ate saying rework them so they don't need it

[silver zephyr]

poor dryo man

[gilded jacinth]

If dryo gets a speed debuff then it needs an attack buff or defense buff.

[silver zephyr]

[karmic plank]

There have been several valid rework suggestions Nebby, you are oversimplifying what is being requested

[limber hull]

dryo 100% does not need an attack buff wtf

[silver zephyr]

if anything at all dryo needs an attack nerf

[gilded jacinth]

Dryo needs to be something other than a chicken nugget on legs

[limber hull]

its biteforce is already absurd for its specific role

[silver zephyr]

its not like its current speed changes that

[limber hull]

i actually like the idea of a small, timid animal. Legacy was fun when you were playing the little scared bastard

[silver zephyr]

instead of a chicken nugget on legs its a chicken nugget on legs that doesnt have to fear basically anything and can run down things becauses its more powerful than it should be

[gilded jacinth]

What world are you people living in. I've played dryo like 6 times now and it sucks and can only run and dodge. What you're suggesting is to take away everything that lets it not die and make it just edible.

[limber hull]

dryo is more fun when it feels more endangered, imo

[karmic plank]

Rework the dodge and give them a dash and they would be fine with a speed nerf. The biteforce is high but the hitbox is tiny - make leg hitzones 0.5 or 0.25x dam and they wouldn't be able to kill big stuff

[limber hull]

i dont like dryo because all it can do is run and dodge, and it does running so well that it doesn't need to dodge or really do anything else. It's fucking BORING to know you will win any chase you are in

[karmic plank]

Lower leg hits should do the same damage as base of tail imo

[gilded jacinth]

But then if you take that away and it can't fight anything what's the point??

Id rather be able to run away than be forced to fight something I'd never win against

[silver zephyr]

to survive, some people like the thrill of being chased, not everything needs to be a fighter

[karmic plank]

Already covered that Nebby

[gilded jacinth]

Well I'm saying it again

[limber hull]

The game isn't a fighting game. I actually want to play the character that has to play hyper-evasive, using it's superior turning radius to weave through bushes and escape. Not the character who runs in a straight line and wins.

[karmic plank]

I won't. Asked and answered.

[gilded jacinth]

K good for u. Anyways, I know it's not a fighting game. I've actively been fighting for dryo to not have to fight. Because dryo will lose to anything not a juvi.

[karmic plank]

You are in the minority with that opinion I'm afraid. Dryos can and do kill stegos

[gilded jacinth]

You say that and then want to take it's running away

[karmic plank]

I have a VOD at home of a dryo killing a FG croc

[silver zephyr]

there are other ways to run and escape without being a speed demon

for example, having good stamina and juking around alot to dodge the attacker and wear out its stam

[gilded jacinth]

Well once burrowing is in I'm all for a speed debuff but for now I think it's fine the way it is

[sacred moat]

dryo needs a speed nerf, between the fact that is has an insane amount of stamina, insane maneuverability, and its the second fastest dino, its a low risk dino that is honestly boring to play atm. The only thing that can catch it is carno and dryo can out juke an adult carno with ease.

utah should be faster than it for sure

[karmic plank]

Dryos are so safe around mediocre Utah packs it's genuinely funny. You just run amongst them and dodge when one tries to pounce you. The only thing stopping them being a Utah killing machine is their tiny bite hitbox. Even lowering their blood quantity would be a reasonable change

[sacred moat]

if a utah misses its pounce, a dryo can get it down considerably low

[limber hull]

i kinda wish bleed did more than it actually does lmao

[sacred moat]

as in?

[limber hull]

often as a utah, i'll end up killing a target by damage before bleeding them out

[midnight bane]

i wish the camera angle were better on the hypsi then it would be alot more fun to play

same problem as the acro has in legacy

yikes

[manic flint]

Hmm

[night ruin]

was scrolling through and saw this, wanted to reply because I think it's a good jumping off point for an important fact: camoflauge doesn't always need to hide something, just make it unclear what it is. Bright colors can work as camoflauge if they make it impossible to identify the outline of a creature. The human eye is very good at picking out familiar shapes, so even if you see a dinosaur, if the shape is obscured by patterns your brain might not register it as a dinosaur. Plus if you can't ID the dino you might be more hesistant to engage because you're not sure if it's a good matchup, and that could buy time for the player to escape.

I've evaded detection while hatched in as some truly garish color schemes by just clipping my head into a rock or the ground, and that interrupts the familiar silhouette of a dino enough to the point a lot of players just don't notice

[kindred flare]

@tiny charm the carno doesnt walk. it waddles and it looks stupid

[hoary dawn]

i'd say its more of a strut

[fallow spoke]

<@&401466542140817419> is that really feedback?

oh nvm it didnt have the text before

[azure wadi]

Putting a check on your own suggestion moment

[fallow spoke]

lol

[azure wadi]

If baby stego looks like that when it is young I’d probably just not play it

[fallow spoke]

kinda ugly

i do agree that the plates should be a little underveloped but not that much

[azure wadi]

Yeah, even modern mammals have their spikes mostly developed when they’re born

Like hedgehogs and porcupines, which makes me feel sorry for mamma porcupines

[past dune]

bad thing about dryo is that it can only die in drinking

lol absolutely low chance of killing a dryo

[karmic plank]

re: Zebra, and most antelopes tbh

I'd also like to submit this gif as supporting evidence for my suggestion re: little things biting big things https://i.imgur.com/djaa0Ip.mp4

that should be all a baby utah achieves against a fg teno or stego lol

[limber hull]

thank you

lmao

[maiden anvil]

@lapis tree it’s an interesting idea you have. I definitely agree that juveniles should have a different gameplay like style apart from their adult counterparts. Juvenile carnivores specifically should change their preferred diet depending on what life stage their in. Like what you say, juvenile utha would prefer lizards while an adult needs dryos

[meager tiger]

Give jeeps to mercs so I can chase one as a T-rex and recreate the scene from Jurrasic park lol

[ebon girder]

@glossy sierra you can change your Settings

[paper oriole]

Teno tail swipe

[limber hull]

@maiden anvil the nutrition bar has already been shown i believe

im not sure about this tbh, it's a LOT of info

all in one place

new players may find themselves immediately confused

and overwhelmed

too much info at once is often not a good idea

[maiden anvil]

@limber hull that’s actually what I was worried about. It being too much information and I can agree to it

Though it might also be a little unfair if the player can’t get all information necessary about dinosaur

[limber hull]

I agree, but sometimes it's wiser to hide the HUD elements or move them around the screen to avoid clutter in a single area

[maiden anvil]

Agreed. Though it still was only an example I used but your idea of it is better!

[pure fossil]

@maiden anvil I think ik one solution for this. The bar system will be better if instead of be all in the same place you could divide them into The actual one and something similar at the left corner.

Something like:

&.                                            &

& @ &. & @ &

Where:
& = Lesser icons
@ = Main Icon

In the case of the right side is Stam Icon as Main. Left could be maybe Temperature as important factor of the body.
This way we keep the info in order without be to much for everyone.

This is how I suggest your idea Instead like your pic. Idk if it’s understandable

[blissful gyro]

Is there a specific reason why having HP shown on the hud is not a thing? Otherwise, all those icons and still no hp?

[maiden anvil]

Very interesting idea of yours. The main point of my idea is just so players have a way of viewing all of their stats and it doesn’t have to be the way I imaged it. Yours could work very well

[swift dew]

@maiden anvil because fractures are locational now, you can't really have one bar to show how broken your bones are, it could be there for something like legacy, where it shows that you do have a broken bone. but fractures are locational so just showing one isnt enough. it would be better if you went to the character screen your legs could highlight a certain color (yellow for not yet broken but damaged, and red for broken) if you had hurt legs, same goes for body and head fractures

[tawny juniper]

Or like the picture of your dino had a skeleton in it that would light up

[blissful onyx]

@maiden anvil u like ur idea only issue I could see is the ui becoming over crowded

[swift dew]

I assume somethings would only appear when they are activated, like how the bleed doesn't appear untill you are bleeding, or how the oxygen icon doesn't appear until you go underwater

[modest wind]

not really expecting many likes on my Velo suggestion just kinda popped into my head

[paper oriole]

Pouter pigeon velo

[vestal storm]

What u guys think of my suggestion in general feedback

[paper oriole]

It seems very obvious that anky will deal fracture

Its like asking for rex to get a bite attack

[vestal storm]

Yes

[paper oriole]

It would be more surprising if anky didn't get fracture

[vestal storm]

Yep

[hasty dagger]

Legacy Anky

[paper oriole]

Legacy is poopoo

[vestal storm]

But the damage resistant because of armor would be good

[paper oriole]

Thats also something thats brought up tons of times

[vestal storm]

Because they are downsizing

Anky

[paper oriole]

Basically everyone thinks anky should have armour and itll most likely happen

[vestal storm]

Yeah

What are u most excited for in ervima

Im most excited for dilo

[paper oriole]

Probably oviraptor or kentrosaurus if they dont make them awful

[vestal storm]

Yeah

Im happy there will be another stegasorid

Also i think sucho will be cool

[teal parrot]

You mean the type who don’t think the game needs to accommodate it’s private server community.

[paper oriole]

If you are a utah getting run down by a tenonto then that's a you problem

Like literally how

[regal fable]

Hmm let's see, running in a straight line, and it was keeping pace and was overtaking me...on top of that, it got onto a rock that it shouldn't have been able to get onto.

Go test it and come back.

[paper oriole]

If it got onto the rock then clearly you found a bad rock

[regal fable]

Oookay guy

[paper oriole]

And if you ran in a straight line it a. Is slower than you so thats a lie and b. It makes you easy to chase

[regal fable]

They tried their damnedest to get on, and took them a better part of about 5 mins just glitching shit to get onto the rock.

[paper oriole]

You sat there for 5 minutes waiting for it?

[regal fable]

Obviously i didn't just run in a straight line

[paper oriole]

Sounds like you wanted to die

[regal fable]

oh ffs

Nah, more like i was interested to see how long it took them to give up

[paper oriole]

This sounds entirely like natural selection

[regal fable]

Okay then

[safe galleon]

so you basically made yourself a sitting duck and then died

[regal fable]

"sitting duck" okay whatever xD

[paper oriole]

I mean

You literally did

[safe galleon]

yeah

[regal fable]

I was standing there watching

[paper oriole]

Lmao

[regal fable]

Y'know what, forget it

Ya'll can suck it

[paper oriole]

“I sat still andwaited for this tenonto to kill me for 5 minutes i think it needs a nerf”

[regal fable]

I'm just waiting for the stress system to be input then shit like that wouldn't happen either way. Kosing herbies are the biggest asshole in the game.

[teal parrot]

@maiden anvil yes I’ve suggested a similar idea, with body temp and nourishment and hydration. Except that I’ve suggested that stomach volume aka hunger should be Indepedent of nutrition, and food and water ought to be absorbed from the stomach to refil nutrition and hydration meters.

[paper oriole]

Stress system like BoB where you can kill somebody by following them?

Cant even blame the teno for going after an easy target who was clearly begging to die

[teal parrot]

Dude, ignore them. They are acting like idiots right now.

[safe galleon]

obviously we don't know every exact detail but standing still on a rock waiting for the tenontos to either give up or get up doesn't sound like a good idea, and if he was standing watching them then couldn't he just like jumped off the rock and ran away again?

[hasty dagger]

idiocy is sitting and waiting to be killed while doing nothing but watching

[regal fable]

I just didn't think a player would sit there for 5 mins and GLITCH THEMSELVES ONTO A ROCK TO KILL ANOTHER PLAYER.

So more of the surprise that it even got onto it but y'know, just be dicks

[paper oriole]

You couldve run when he scaled it you can fall further and are faster than it

[regal fable]

Ya'll are probably the same kind of people that kill everything on sight.

[paper oriole]

Yes.

[regal fable]

Then go fuck yourself

[paper oriole]

Lmao

[safe galleon]

they chased for a long time, they are very obviously not gonna give up since people love fighting and killing in evrima since that's basically everything you can do

[regal fable]

Then they should go to legacy

[paper oriole]

Oh no i kos in a pvp game

I am the worst

[compact hare]

no need to ne rude here, lets just talk and chill

[paper oriole]

This is just hilarious to me like

[regal fable]

Only being rude to the ones originally being rude

[paper oriole]

I cant fathom this

[regal fable]

This isn't worth it, gonna just game, ya'l have fun

[paper oriole]

Sitting on a rock waiting for something to climb it to kill you and then thinking it needs to be nerfed?

[compact hare]

you too, gl next time

[safe galleon]

you've told us to go fuck ourselves and told us to "suck it"

[regal fable]

After the fact that ya'll were being rude, but alright

[paper oriole]

Redriothunter more like redriothunted amirite

[regal fable]

And you kos in a pvp game that isn't meant to be a kos game

Just the fact there isn't any system or rules to it

But whatever

[safe galleon]

we were trying to help you with what you should do during those situations

🗿

[paper oriole]

It isnt supposed to be a kos game, but it isnt supposed to not be one either

[regal fable]

And i stand by it

[safe galleon]

now that's just hurtful

[paper oriole]

[regal fable]

shrug

[safe galleon]

sorry for calling you an idiot and asshole, oh wait I never did that

[regal fable]

I never called anyone an idiot

Eh whatever

[safe galleon]

did I say you did?

bruh what even is this anymore

[regal fable]

i...sigh

[compact hare]

I like this
Prefer in a simpler way, but I like this idea

[safe galleon]

I like this but I think some of them could be moved into the character information part when you press insert

[compact hare]

I wonder how they'll remake the HUD without it showing too much information

Ye thats what I thought

[paper oriole]

I assume those smaller stat markers around the stam meter would only show up when they are being affected?

Otherwise it seems cluttered like BoB

They have a weird hud

[compact hare]

Sounds nice too

[limber hull]

personally, i see the isle as a lot more of a survival game than pvp game, but i see why people treat it as a pvp with over 50% of the roster being directly designed to be capable of decent combat to an extent (steg, teno, utah, carno, deino)

[paper oriole]

Like especially with things like oxygen, it has no reason to be visible at all times

[compact hare]

mhm

[limber hull]

BoB's hud feels actually sickening to me lmao

The text popping up randomly does not help either

[paper oriole]

The isle doesnt seem like a survival game yet, it feels pretty low stakes and there is nothing to do but kfs at the moment

[limber hull]

Looks like it was made in 10 minutes in MSPaint

[limber hull]

Entirely agree, I hope more mechanics will make people try to survive over fighting constantly

[paper oriole]

lol yeah BoB's looks like a mobile game hud, very funky

[limber hull]

I genuinely hate BoB's HUD

[paper oriole]

Like why does it have to be so shaded and intrusive lol

[limber hull]

The Isle has one of the best HUDs I've seen in many games. Stylised, simple and ontheme with the game as a whole

[paper oriole]

The simplicity of isle's hud is probably its biggest upside

[barren zephyr]

BoB is just hard to look at

[limber hull]

Yea

[safe galleon]

I can't tell what is a button and what isn't

[limber hull]

Glad they're keeping it as simple as possible with diets, the bar for diets is visible but discrete

[paper oriole]

Minimal colours, simple shapes, minimal filler

[barren zephyr]

then you have the giant mega apatos that look like they were made in a 2nd grade art class

[limber hull]

Yea, allows you to focus entirely on the game without heavily districting visuals. BoB is ENTIRELY made of distracting visuals lmao

Everything in BoB feels like it's designed to take your attention, regardless of how important that info actually is

Dinos, HUD elements, the map, environment, everything

It's all fighting to take your attention

[paper oriole]

It just feels overdesigned like they did everything separatelt and wanted it to look fancy and then combined it all in the end so it doesnt look good

[limber hull]

I literally do not know what the FUCK you want me to focus on guys

[compact hare]

You think they are giving different HUD styles for different factions?
Like different HUD styles options

[limber hull]

They MIGHT, I'm unsure, since mercenaries aren't... Assets I don't think

They might have an entirely different HUD

[paper oriole]

I could see mercs having a pretty different hud

[limber hull]

Also Tribals I have zero fucking clue, they are an enigma to me

[paper oriole]

Tribals maybe but they seem pretty similar to the dinos in their role but maybe they can craft and carry in their pullup menu. Hard to guess just yet

Tail swipes seem like a poor idea for most dinosaurs, theropods would just be throwing themselves off balance and even some quads like hadrosaurs would have a hard time pulling a tail sweep off

[compact hare]

Their tails are pretty stiff and short for a tail swipe
stiff I mean in a muscular way

[paper oriole]

Yeah their tailed are ripped af and a lot of them have fused vertebrae

Most of the time with dinosaurs the tail is used almost exclusively for balance and maneuverability

[compact hare]

I think a few playables like megalania and bronto (?) could tail swipe

[paper oriole]

Yeah they are built to allow it

Megalania, deinosuchus, ankylosaurus, sauropods, stegosaurus and kentrosaurus, and the current hyper spino model are the only things that would look good tail swiping imo

[hoary dawn]

not as much as to add a specialized reporting system no

i'd rather all the time and resources be put into making the actual game

[hybrid matrix]

Everything with a tail

...

Hmmm

[urban flax]

Ceratopsians tailslapping

[hybrid matrix]

Humans, tribals, eyeless...
Ptera, quetz..

[urban flax]

Raptors tailslapping

[hybrid matrix]

So everything that i didnt list can tail slap???

Is that correct

[urban flax]

Yeah

[hybrid matrix]

@barren zephyr

[hybrid matrix]

Th-theri?

[barren zephyr]

What

[hybrid matrix]

Theri

Has a tail

[barren zephyr]

Wut

[hybrid matrix]

Theri has a tail

[barren zephyr]

Um so confusee

[hybrid matrix]

Your suggestion

[barren zephyr]

Wut abt it

[hybrid matrix]

Everything with a tail (which is everything that isnt humanoid)

Can tail swipe

Is ur idea

[barren zephyr]

Ye

[hybrid matrix]

Which means theri
And ptera

And quetz

[barren zephyr]

Bruh

[hybrid matrix]

And ceratopsians

[barren zephyr]

With a fairly large tail

[hybrid matrix]

And theri

Reword your suggestion

But that still applies to theri

It has a fairly large tail

[barren zephyr]

There reworded

[hybrid matrix]

It still applies to theri though

It also applies to other bipeds

Like allo

And utah

And bary

And compy

Homa

Para

[swift dew]

theri is gonna dust you with its tail

[hybrid matrix]

Soft yet spikey billow fights

Get the funni?

Gtg

[paper oriole]

Really

Why every day

This is an actual plague

Anyway, any theropod should generally not use their tail for combat

[barren zephyr]

A certain game does that. Cough.. cough cough

[paper oriole]

It is a titanic immersion breaker

[urban flax]

Rex does have a tail attack in Primal Carnage tho
And since The Isle is Primal Carnage 2...

Wait it's in Extinction only, and The Isle doesn't take inspiraiton from PCE

[barren zephyr]

Yeah, please no magna rex tailwhip

That would look strange

[urban flax]

It does look strange in PCE

[paper oriole]

The only theropod i could see a tail seeep look good on is hyper spino because it can lower itself onto its knuckles and rotate its body with the sweep

Even our new “normal” spino would look like shit doing it

[barren zephyr]

“normal”

[feral solstice]

@slim wing Compies will soon be a thing

Eating the bodies when you decide to leave them, encouraging you to stay near them instead of hunting more.

[fickle hamlet]

On the topic of tail-defense, what about self-detaching scales for a smaller creature (like modern Fish-scale Geckos)? The paleoartist Hodari-Nundu illustrated a Kulindadromeus escaping a predator in this way. https://www.deviantart.com/hodarinundu/art/Eat-My-Scales-693953267

Or self-detaching fluff? Like a utah bites the tail of a Hypsi but only gets a few feathers (which the hypsi would slowly regrow).

[paper oriole]

a while back i thought the day gecko skin peeling defense would be cool on herrera

though i dont think he needs it now. it would be cool for other small guys

maybe it could be something magy has to help it against grapples like utah pounce and allo grab

[slim wing]

But how "hungry" are compies going to be? Or are compies going to be AI that will eat bodies forever (like a blachole)?

[lone flax]

there is AI on evrima? always dying cant find nothing... only players

[languid cairn]

They're just AI that subvert natural decay

[lone flax]

ok ty for info

[languid cairn]

Suppose one does get full

[slim wing]

AI Compies that will eat bodies after you leave wouldddd be extremely nice. I saw in a recent video of them testing the compies with them running up to a body and eating it. I really liked that, and that could possibly help with the bodies yes. I fear though if its like a free grow server with so many bodies, there will be an immense amount of compies running around? xD

[languid cairn]

Another will spawn in its place to continue

[lone flax]

well if you expert on game and know the spots where they spawn ok.... but for fresh players is just savage... cant reach full on utha even

and is not because of players... i just walk arround and nothing

but well ok... yo usay there is AI will try find it

[icy lion]

theyre very quiet, use your scent constantly to catch their footprints

[lone flax]

i do my last 10 min of starving was with scent always up.... i was going all thew way up river then start moving to the edge of map, trying to cover the most area possible

nad nothing

my searching method... i bassicaly make square and try clear it all the way out

and go like that

but even lkike this.....rrrrrr

[lusty hollow]

its hard to learn but when ya get it youll easily survive

[lone flax]

lets see.... ty for all info anyway. will go back to legacy unless i can survive xD. dead toa group of carnos. rip 5%. nobide spare no1 on evrima :O

[feral solstice]

Probably eat it forever

[slim wing]

What are the AI currently, just dryo?

[icy lion]

dryo and fish, yep

[feral solstice]

Correct

Oh and fish

[hoary dawn]

honestly i dont think i've ever needed ai to survive on evrima unless i was a deino or ptera, juvie players are everywhere and super easy to kill

[slim wing]

Thats fair. Are you able to fish as like utah, carno (without deinos around) or are fish soley mainly for deinos and pts?

[gritty helm]

it's possible but definitely not something you should be going for lol. if you do happen to come across a dead fish you can eat it if you want to but if you do see one by the water its most likely bait

[slim wing]

Thats fair... I just dont know what is ambient sounds or ai sounds so I cant find any AI.

[odd sedge]

Dryo calls

They are similar to legacys if not the same

[barren zephyr]

They are same ones, there could be some changes on them, I haven't noticed any differences

[swift dew]

I understand that some people don't read rules, but ffs do they not even read the name of the channel? its "general feedback" for crying out loud, how do so many questions end up in there?

[paper oriole]

Reading is hard i guess lol

[teal parrot]

Assuming that it would take an exorbitant amount of resources to do that.

[tawny juniper]

what was the question

[slim wing]

What is that suggestion? XD

[slim storm]

Hes literally confirmed already

May as well have him in as an easter egg

[slim wing]

No xD

[slim storm]

It would be a fun way to implement community content, especially as a rare circumstance

Besides, rather him be a rare occurance rather than a roaming npc
Unless they plan to make him stuck in a test tube or something in a lab

[swift dew]

@slim storm ben is a she

[slim storm]

My apologies. Dont meant to offend Ben

[swift dew]

ben is cannonized, she is going to be in the game in some form

[paper oriole]

Ben would honestly work best preserved in some incubation chamber in a merc lab as an easter egg imo

With a ben label on the tank from the mercs who dubbed the failed experiment

[hoary dawn]

assuming it would take any amount of resources

[slim wing]

She will probablyyyy be in some human lab, as they continue to add humans and buildings to the game.

[vale pawn]

the ben cage

[past dune]

fast rotating hypsi when 😳

[paper oriole]

It should be very agile sure but it doesn’t need the dodge ability

[past dune]

ok changed it up a buit

bit

[karmic plank]

Spelling and not all caps may help your suggestion get taken seriously 😉

[past dune]

cool but dont rlly care

[barren zephyr]

Why not

[teal parrot]

@barren zephyr I love this idea!

[honest sparrow]

Bucking already exists, and honestly with the press of a button being able to not only invalidate pounce but insta kill a utah would be kinda bullshit

[urban flax]

Also if one single utah jumps out you're vulnerable the whole time you're on the ground (and I think a stego would take a lot of time getting up after a roll) so it's kinda lame

[barren zephyr]

Wuy

Wut*

[meager tiger]

How about instead of dropping on the ground and risking getting swarmed, you can run to a tree or a rock/mountainside and scrape the raptor off hurting him in the process. The raptor would either hit the tree and fall off or be crushed by your weight, friction, and scraping against solid stone

Maybe you can even just slam into the wall if the raptor is on you or near a wall. Of course slamming into a wall is going to hurt you a bit but not as much as the raptor

[karmic plank]

Anybody find the official numbers for damage and health that people have made? The wiki is totally wrong (I'm on a server I host testing it)

Carno bite to a deino body does about 5.67% damage - if Deino has 8k hp, that means 450 damage from carno bite

If deinos have 6k, that's more like 340 damage

Wiki says 8k and 300 damage

If deinos do do 500 damage with their bite than they have 6200 hp

I seem to remember someone hard-confirming that Utahs have 1k HP, and a deino does exactly 75% damage to a utah body

[limber hull]

i believe weight plays a part in damage

[karmic plank]

It used to, many people have said that is no longer the case though

[oak tapir]

@crude slate I feel like since hatchlings should be like that , but juvies since juvies are bigger and more developed yknow

[karmic plank]

@limber hull I think you might be right. Deino does 75% to a FG utah but kills an 80% one

ah heck that is going to make things difficult

temptation to datamine is getting pretty strong right now

[karmic plank]

the old damage formula - (attacker weight / defender weight) * bite damage isn't correct either, assuming both deino has 8k and stego has 6k

deino does 8.3% to deino and 12.45% to stego

(also: alt bites do 50% more damage than normal bites)

[limber hull]

wtf

altbite is faster, more flexible and does more damage

why

[karmic plank]

I'll double check

Yup, [Bite] aka normal attack does less damage than [PrimaryAttack] aka alt-bite

OK I'm going to assume that newtons = damage and work out the formula from that

I don't think weight plays a huge role in damage anymore, otherwise Utahs would get one-shot by deinos (or they have crazy HP)

Yeah confirmed, weight doesn't affect damage, it's just the HP figures in the wiki that are wrong.

[karmic plank]

both carnos and tenos have 2k hp as well, there you go

[ashen wasp]

Getting stunned after 2-calling a Tenonto as a carnivore is hilarious, actually

[pulsar lake]

Carno having less Stam than Tenonto is fine