general-feedback-discussion

[odd sedge]

Because Utah pinning down Dilo does absolutely sound not right

[strange wave]

if a dude 3/4 your size leapt onto your back and started stabbing you
would you be able to get up and shake him off

[odd sedge]

It still doesn't feel right but it would equal their matchups more out I guess?

[swift dew]

also, just imagine utah riding on the side of a dilo. that sounds 10x worse

[sudden hinge]

The weight alone would be tough to contend with for a dilo like that’s over 1000 pounds on your back

[maiden anvil]

@strange wave maybe animals that get pinned by utha can sort of kick them off?

[strange wave]

thats kind of what im suggesting, but if they pin pinned they can get out of it faster than something smaller than a utah

[pulsar lake]

Ngl compy army playable isn't dumb

Btw fun fact

Nothing cleans crocodilian teeth

They don't need to

Meat and such cannot be stuck because of the large gape between the teeth.

But it would still be nice

It would at least give compy something5

but Rhampho could do that better

[odd sedge]

I still don't see the point in playing as a clean up rat in a dinosaur sized world

[pulsar lake]

Compy is small terrestrial

So

It is annoyed by vegetation

Rhampho can fly

Through the forest

Possibly climb trees

Also could fish like how those Australian bats drink

[odd sedge]

I haven't even thought about that

Compy is gonna see nothing in any kind of grass

[tepid gate]

It's honestly the stabbing part that's the main issue for a human. I wouldn't however say that it's comparable to Utah attacking a Dilophosaurus. And yea Utah is not holding down a theropod(or any other dinosaur for that matter) larger than itself.

It just wouldn't happen in reality in the way that's portrayed in the game. We probably need a third pounce option for when utah pounces something around its own size.

[vale pawn]

bruh

[compact hare]

Who?

[tawny juniper]

Look at trello and find magysaurus

[compact hare]

Oh, the nocturnal herbivore part

I was looking for a flyer with magy in the name lel

[honest sparrow]

My favorite omnivorous flyer

Magyarosaurus

[compact hare]

[karmic plank]

Agree completely, Utah (and possibly other raptors) should be able to pin things significantly smaller than them, but anything approaching its size (or perceived "strength") should be able to quickly flail around and kick them off

The reason why I say "strength" is a something like a juvy carno at 500kg would, my mind, be stronger than, say, a juvy stego at 500kg

That could just be overcomplicating things though

Oh, now I know why people hated my stress idea. That sounds janky af

Idk though, just because it was poorly implemented in BoB doesn't mean it couldn't be done better in TI

[barren zephyr]

pitch black night time

does it seem good on paper? Yes

it did fit well on Legacy? Yes

but, the contrast between the daytime Yellow/Spero lighting and Blue night time lighting is AMAZING

[vale pawn]

legacy maps my beloved

[barren zephyr]

I mean. You have to become your inner English Teacher to really understand

but the yellow/spero lighting is warm.
It makes you feel secure in-game during day.
You're with your herd and everything is all right

but when night time falls and it turn pitch black with the touch blue.
It feels metaphorically cold and unsafe.
You're unsure. Even if you're with your pack/herd

@oak kestrel even though the pure pitch black legacy was cool.
Evrima has it's own pitch black blue, which if you've seen the Dondi stream you might just agree with me

[oak kestrel]

Ooo that sounds cool. I’ll have to take a look a decide

[barren zephyr]

you should!

[stuck bison]

is there a place to see the stream? I checked dondi's twitch but there were no saved videos there.

[barren zephyr]

on Isle News channel

[stuck bison]

Oh! I totally spaced that they keep tabs and stuff there! thank you!

[barren zephyr]

I was lucky. I watched the stream live

[vale pawn]

new coasts

[stuck bison]

Second hand is better then nothing at all. I'm so grateful for the isle news updates

[toxic mantle]

I remember when Ravenous was the news guy :/

[limber hull]

global is shit. I've experienced it firsthand. Fuck it coming back

[toxic mantle]

Then go to another server. There is nothing wrong with having an option for private servers

It's the same argument with rules. Dont like them? Go to another one

If we have all these options to include which dinos, or have no human servers. Then why cant you also give the option of global

[fluid venture]

exactly.. don't punish the people who actually liked playing with global chat

[limber hull]

global was a toxic shithole with metagamers, whiners and some weird group of people who got uncomfortably into the "uwu" roleplay of dinos. I genuinely hope they never add it back.

[toxic mantle]

Then go to another server?? Your comment didnt debunk my argument

[fluid venture]

lol no one says you have to play on a server with global chat enabled

[cyan flame]

Because it doesn't fit the theme and tone of the game. Simple as that. Global does not fit what the devs want to create, for good or ill, so you're not getting it. It's not about liking or disliking it as players, it's just how the devs see it and want it.

[fluid venture]

and currently where is the point in having private servers when u can't interact with their community anymore

[vale pawn]

global should be sandbox only

[limber hull]

that's a good compromise

[toxic mantle]

Erik, again its about a simple option If you can have servers where there wont be humans, or restrict dinosaurs that people can play, then having a simple option to include or disclude in a private server. Is fine.

[limber hull]

I, personally, think the issue is people don't miss what they never had. If global chat had never existed (which would've been for the best), people would not be so painfully obsessive over it

[toxic mantle]

No one is advocating officials to have global

[fluid venture]

and where is the problem to make it toggleable? no one forces you to play on servers with global on so why do you want to punish the people who actually liked global?

[toxic mantle]

Obsessive? I'm just questioning your argument.

[limber hull]

I agree with benji, keep global out of survival, but feel free to put it in sandbox, that's a perfectly valid compromise

[fluid venture]

there are also people who like to play the game differently.. just like in every game so why denying them to chat?? I just dont get it

[cyan flame]

It doesn't matter if it's "just an option" if the option does not fit what the devs want. Maybe having servers with no humans or restricted dinosaurs fit better, or however the devs see it. But the fact remains, they don't, at this point in time at least, want global chat in the game at all.

[fluid venture]

nah

[limber hull]

why

[fluid venture]

I just argued

[limber hull]

survival is about surviving in a pack with the few dinos you meet

it's not "hey guys, anyone wanna group, I'm at south as a utahraptor"
"okay, coming over, i actually have a ton of food"

[cyan flame]

There is playing the game differently, and there is playing the game in a manner that simply does not work with what the devs want I guess. You can restrict dinosaurs or even be without humans, but it does not take away from the theme in the same way. Not to mention that you shouldn't be chatting with the others all that much, especially not if they're not your kind.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401464048610312195/838656900995481649/Screenshot_20210503-000121_Discord.jpg

[fluid venture]

literally never seen it happening and there are also chat rules on private servers and again.. just pkay on a server with no global chat on but dont punish the people who like it

[toxic mantle]

I-

Cool erik

We

Know what the devs want

Thanks for the pic

But

[cyan flame]

So why are you arguing then?

[limber hull]

can you type like a normal person please

[cyan flame]

The point is, what you want does not fit the devs vision in this case, end of story.

The way you want to play the game, is not what the devs are doing, as it stands right now. Easy as that.

[fluid venture]

devs can still change their mind if they see what the community want ||tho I doubt it cuz we are talking about the isle devs..||

[toxic mantle]

That's dumb. Why should we ever argue or give feedback to anything the devs want. Like the Emu Carnos or the Albert situation. They wanted the Emu animation and everyone freaked out so they changed it

What I'm simply saying

Is

[limber hull]

alright, but a significant part of the community DOESN'T want it

including me

[cyan flame]

They can, and they might, they're hardly unaware that a bunch of people do miss global. But it's not so much a criticism on how something looks or acts, like the Emu Carno or similar, but more so if a certain function should be in or not.

[toxic mantle]

That if there is a sizable portion of the fanbase that wants an optional thing for private servers. Then fine. Removing options in a game is never good in my personal opinion

[fluid venture]

doesn't matter.. it's still quite a bit and if you offer more options for your game you will receive a bigger playerbase

[limber hull]

lmao

[swift dew]

asking for an different animation or model is very different to asking for something that detracts from the feel that the devs are going for

[limber hull]

"we want it, that does matter, but you not wanting it doesn't matter"

wtf

[cyan flame]

I would agree, I don't see an issue with it being an option, but it is what it is. They don't want people to sit around and chat, simple as that.

[toxic mantle]

I was confronting Erik's argument that I shouldnt be debating because the devs want it

[dense wagon]

why would anyone want global chat? what purpose does it serve for this type of game..?

[fluid venture]

DUDE you have still the option to not play on a server without global

we DON'T

[proud coral]

I see it as global should've never been a thing in the first place. That might be why they don't want it outside of mods.

[limber hull]

i agree, but you can't undo the past

[cyan flame]

You have an explanation of why Spark. It's not a matter of "does this look good or bad" but "does this fit", same thing with how people now having an opinion on the AI critters. That's a better comparison, and we might see how that goes.

[swift dew]

I don't understand why we are having this argument still. the devs have made it very clear that global is not returning. if you want global chat, wait for mods or use discord

simple as that

[dense wagon]

hold on can someone answer my question?

[swift dew]

sure

[dense wagon]

.

[cyan flame]

To talk to people, to be social. Most people are used to, and want to be social in the game, the whole hardcore "everyone for themselves" and stab your friends in the back if need be, is not quite the mindset we have. At least not yet. That + it does help for rules servers and all that, to talk to people. But they are working on better admin systems I think, so there is that.

[proud coral]

Plus we're also getting new chat functions soon like whisper, yell, etc.

[dense wagon]

the community has had legacy for so long, I guess they're not ready to accept that it was never the vision this game was meant to be

[toxic mantle]

??

What?

[vale pawn]

Global in a nutshell
-Those 2 people actually having a nice conversation
-Group/egg announcments
-Arguing
-More arguing
-Even more arguing
-People wanting to start something, so they start an argument
-Whining bc of a rulebreak

[limber hull]

ahahahaha so true

[cyan flame]

Different range of local chat. So you can whisper to a packmate, or shout to the entire herd from a distance I'm guessing.

[proud coral]

Yep

[swift dew]

👆

[toxic mantle]

I wasnt aware that was going to be a thing

[fluid venture]

yea and if u dont like it go.to.another.server

[proud coral]

It was mentioned not too long ago

[toxic mantle]

Still doesn't change my mind about having an option.

[vale pawn]

or i can just, switch to local/group chat

[fluid venture]

yea

basically

[cyan flame]

I personally agree with options, the more the better, but I do understand why the devs are doing this, at least so I think.

[edgy harbor]

got rid of global chat because we dont want it to be a chat room sim

go do that in a discord

[limber hull]

exactly

[vale pawn]

tbh sometimes i go into global just for free entertainment through funny green words

[limber hull]

man speaks such truths

[swift dew]

[fluid venture]

still there are people who like to play the game differently or enjoyed it.. sont see the problem to make it toggleable.. if you dont like it switch to a server that doesn't have global

[cyan flame]

But yes, what Krow said. The devs feel that having global encourages playstyles that are not what the game is or should be about. For those servers with rules, I'm sure there'll be better admin systems to handle that, the devs do know that the current ones aren't perfect I'm pretty sure.

[proud coral]

Or just wait for mods.

[vale pawn]

just leave it sandbox only

[silver zephyr]

this

[fluid venture]

but the devs had it already.. it's not that hard

[toxic mantle]

I understand too, doesn't stop me from disagreeing with it or questioning it. Like you said, the more options the better. I just don't see why there is this pure hatred over an optional thing in both legacy and evrima as you can either go to a server that doesn't have it or switch chat channels. That's what I always did

[vale pawn]

my views are simply correct

[edgy harbor]

I'm sure someone may mod it in later for unofficial communities, not sure tho

[proud coral]

They clearly don't want it in the game though

[dense wagon]

why do you specifically want global so bad? if you want to be social do it in discord, not a multiplayer horror game

[swift dew]

im just going to say this again

[toxic mantle]

Cool, I'm still going to talk about it.

[manic flint]

Global goes against what they want the game to be so ofc they're getting rid of it

[dense wagon]

geniune question btw, not rhetoric

[cyan flame]

Probably because of the mindset it cultivates. I can see that issue from a gameplay standpoint. Otherwise I'm guessing it's just the general shit that happens in a chat.

[fluid venture]

because you cant reach all of them in discord+ it's even more complicated then just open the chat box ingame

[cyan flame]

It's fine to question it, I just feel that maybe people don't want to admit that their way of playing just isn't going to be supported.

[swift dew]

if the more options the better do you agree with neon skins like in BoB? its more options

[dense wagon]

local chat exists

[fluid venture]

for your own kind only

[toxic mantle]

I understand the shitstorm from it. But what mindset does it it cultivate? People being overly friendly or just the toxicity of it?

[manic flint]

Maybe it's because talking to another random dino that is across the map and isn't your species doesn't make sense

[dense wagon]

so what? you want to promote mixpacking?

is this what its about lmao
mixpacking

[limber hull]

last few servers i went to in global, they mainly used global to advertise their discord lmao. They legit had a chat room

[toxic mantle]

Yes, as there is a literal option to turn it off if you don't want it

[vale pawn]

⏳📦 only

[swift dew]

well, im done here. im not arguing with someone who thinks that neon skins should be in the game

[fluid venture]

lol no but there are happening so much fun stuff when you meet people even they are another species and that just got taken away

[cyan flame]

Yes, the friendly thing. People get along, in circumstances they shouldn't. We know they want this to be a hardcore horror game, where everyone is your enemy. And you know how much people complain about cannibals or KoS or similar. Granted, I'm way friendly as a player, but I do see what the devs might feel in this case.

[manic flint]

It's a horror game

This isn't Jackbox or something

[toxic mantle]

LOL. Aight fine whatever. A game that isnt meant to be realistic and that has an option so you don't see neon skins.

[dense wagon]

this game isnt about funny wholesome interactions

[swift dew]

one more thing, the game IS trying to be realistic, that is why all the mechanics are pretty damn realistic.

[fluid venture]

as I said on private servers are rules and if u dont like the chat just go to another server that doesn't have it but dont punish people who enjoyed global because they like to play the game differently or they dont bother what the global chat says

[manic flint]

In some ways at least

[toxic mantle]

Yeah, like I'll never say I don't understand the many issues with global. It has quite a bit but again my whole mindset is just an options thing.

[swift dew]

and keep in mind, realism and accuracy are two VERY different things

[limber hull]

the game has a realism aesthetic. Even if the animals are not actually scientifically correct, they still look like REAL ANIMALS, same cannot be said for the neon shithole that is BoB

[cyan flame]

I'd like there to be some limitations on skin, because while everyone looking the same is obviously a bit boring, I do enjoy that people actually look like they belong in a pack or herd. The whole having the entire rainbow in a herd is cool for individuality, but it doesn't make much sense.

[manic flint]

That's like saying you just want to sit around texting in Call of Duty instead of playing the game the devs made like what?

[toxic mantle]

Yes, as itchys can jump super far in the air. Great realistic mechanics

[fluid venture]

dunno what wrong about that..

[swift dew]

im talking about the isle, last time I checked the isle doesn't have itchys jumping through the air

[dense wagon]

look, sorry but legacy isnt what the final product of this game was ever supposed to be. the devs have a vision for this game that not everyone is gonna be satisfied with one way or another, but you're gonna have to accept it lol

[toxic mantle]

But I'm not going to have a debate about BoB in an isle server about global chat.

[fluid venture]

well yea if you want to why not.. and more options=bigger playerbase

[toxic mantle]

Because

I'm going to say

The same damn thing

[silver zephyr]

[manic flint]

?????

No?

[dense wagon]

thats-

[silver zephyr]

options are great but not when they go against the devs very vision for the game

[fluid venture]

as long as everyone agrees on a server to it

[manic flint]

[hasty dagger]

I love playing fps games to roleplay and chat with friends ^^

[dense wagon]

^^ my point exactly

[toxic mantle]

Anyways idk what the other convo is about. Too focused on Erik and piggy

[cyan flame]

I do agree, I wouldn't be upset if they added global back as a option, I never minded it before. But it is what it is for now, and the devs will do as they see fit. And we have yet to see if they did change the models, which is far more reasonable of a criticism I'd think.

[manic flint]

Exactly

[swift dew]

you literally just said that you agree with neon skins being in the isle, and then went ahead and said that the isle isnt realistic because "itchys" (whatever the fuck that is) are flying through the sky

[dense wagon]

whats an itchy

[fluid venture]

thatswhy I'm saying if you make a game with more option you can have a bigger playerbase who likes to play differently on their own servers

[toxic mantle]

If you weren't talking about bob then my bad. I saw neon and thought that you were talking about BoB. Hence why I gave the option argument

[silver zephyr]

add guns to animal crossing to attract the fps playerbase

[dense wagon]

what is an itchy

[hasty dagger]

lmao

[manic flint]

Yup exactly

Lmao

[toxic mantle]

Beast of bremuda spinosaurid

[cyan flame]

Ichthyovenator, a spinosaurid of some sort I think. Or something along those lines.

[fluid venture]

[toxic mantle]

Fair enough

[swift dew]

You had said the more options the better, so I asked if you agreed with neon skins being in the isle because it is more options

[limber hull]

i disagree. I've personally worked on, and am still working on, a game which boasts near complete freedom for server hosts to do whatever they want. Lots of people in the community HATE THIS, server hosts will completely undermine anything the devs do, add shit that's unbalanced or straight up unfun and dominate the server list by spamming their servers until people join their community.

Players who don't like the experience these hosts provide are forced to undergo them due to the aggressive strategy used by these hosts to completely snuff out competition and it creates a difficult space where many players who are new to the game are introduced to features that are not base-game and are confused by the utter discrepencies of playstyles between servers.

[swift dew]

sorry if I miss-worded it

[dense wagon]

I know what an Ichthyovenator is, but why nickname it a skin irritation lol

do bob players actually go "ah yes, today i'm going to play as an itchy"

[toxic mantle]

Because I forget how to spell its name and say itchy lol

[manic flint]

I think they meant icthy

[toxic mantle]

^

I'm just stoopid

[dense wagon]

okay good god thats a relief

forgetting stuff doesnt make you stupid haha

[hasty dagger]

Like, if you really want Global this bad I’d say just invest in one of the other Dino games like PoT that’s going in a more open, MMO style direction.

Sounds to me like you bought The Isle for the wrong reasons

[toxic mantle]

Nah, I bought it cuz I wanted dinos

[hasty dagger]

If you wanted dinos, you got dinos, global isn’t an issue then

[toxic mantle]

That's not what's the argument is about

Anyways

[swift dew]

they got some dinos, the other ones are just monsters

[hasty dagger]

Which again, is part of The Isle’s direction, and has been since the beginning

[barren zephyr]

I hate this so much

[toxic mantle]

Going to say it one last time and dipping because I'm going in circles and no ones opinions are changing on bothsides-whixh is fine. Having an option for private servers is fine. Especially if you can restrict dinosaurs or have no human servers, etc in the future. Devs want to give so many options for server owners I'd figure this wouldn't hurt. Anyways I'm out cuz this is repetitive.

[barren zephyr]

look at that ugly ass fucking blood water makeing a line on the normal water

[hasty dagger]

I’d hope the water is changing with update 4, the new system has brought all kinds of glitches

[karmic plank]

I've never seen that, how does that happen?

[barren zephyr]

basically just go to the south spawn and move ur camera to low depths and move it about a lil bit or just more ur deino. its so anoyying

[karmic plank]

South pond? Or swamp

[barren zephyr]

its like u got some kid putting sunglasses on u and takeing am off every few seconds

pond

the place with the waterfall

all the deinos hang out

[karmic plank]

Oh. Hmm, I've grown a couple of crocs there and not seen it, might be settings related

Or maybe I'm just not observant

[barren zephyr]

im on high settings

[karmic plank]

Oh, me too. Weird

[barren zephyr]

ah heres a better one

[barren zephyr]

go to pond and move ur camera up and down slowly

u will be able to see the line

[karmic plank]

Oh yeah definitely never seen that, and your water looks... Clearer and darker at the same time

Mine is a murky brown, not dark emerald green

[barren zephyr]

its night time

at day its brown

[karmic plank]

I get no change at nighttime either

[barren zephyr]

lel

[karmic plank]

🤷

[barren zephyr]

also u see the waterfall

it just looks like a mix of spiders web and cum

[karmic plank]

Idk why but I don't even notice it's night unless I look at the sky

[barren zephyr]

the way it interacts with the water and just glitches through is so weird

[karmic plank]

I'll hop on an empty server tonight and show you what it looks like for me, since my stego will still be stuck in a tree in all likelihood

[barren zephyr]

kk

im in tuetonic 1

[karmic plank]

lol @fallow spoke your idea reminds me of a certain goose related game... And it would be kinda funny to just mess with them as a compy

[fallow spoke]

Yes

@crisp stream this is amazing, dondi could be going half crazy and talks really fast. He could have talking animations were he is making hand signs and everything. His model can have like a handbook in his pocket and he could be hunched over a bit.

And in the middle of discussing everything about the island in the tutorial a utah can start chasing them and dondi can get thrown away into a bush, then seconds later he comes out all bruised and everything saying "im ok!"
And then to show the pure nature of the isle, the utah jumps out of the bush and pounces dondi. The camera falls to the ground and goes black

show the isle logo

[vale pawn]

Imagine chilling in a room and suddenly see a velo pushing a c4 off the shelf

[fallow spoke]

[oak tapir]

@inland wind BRUH

[unreal ridge]

@ashen elm this is exactly what i wanted it just doesnt make sense that chamois , moose , bear , etc would be in a tropical area

[ashen elm]

Thanks! Yea, some of the ai animals just don't make sense in the maps climate so I wanted to suggest animals that actually live in that climate/habitat. Hopefully they do end up as only placeholders.

[oak tapir]

wtf...

[unreal ridge]

i would love some diversity , sambar , chital , rusa all tropical deer species

[oak tapir]

Bears confirmed ?

[unreal ridge]

pretty sure people brought it up if i remember correctly

[oak tapir]

[ashen elm]

Some weird choices definitely. Especially the Moose, those things would overheat so hard on the island lmao

[unreal ridge]

but water buffalo , chital , etc would be great

[limber hull]

moose bad

[oak tapir]

Bruh...

[unreal ridge]

moose bad , water buffalo good

[oak tapir]

Okapi atleast

but nooooo , MOOSE

fuck moose

or whatever its name is...

okapi right?

[ashen elm]

Yes

[oak tapir]

Moose AI for what?

[ashen elm]

Diets I assume

[oak tapir]

I Feel like Small AI is kinda meant for Juvies that cant hunt shit

like baby utah and smaller

[unreal ridge]

well its hard because a lot of the isle's player base cant understand more than 6 animals , chicken , goat , pig , moose , bear ,and wolf

[ashen elm]

Mmm, yea. I think most people were fine with AI only being small for juvies but the developers apparently want cow and moose sized ai as well so... gotta work with that, thus this suggestion.

[unreal ridge]

if you are gonna add large mammalian AI

add ones that would be realistic to the island

i see no problem with moose and bears on Isle V3 its a temperate forest with pine and deciduous trees

but on Spiro you need tropical animals

[ashen elm]

! Yea I was about to say, Moose on Legacy is fine but not on Evrima lol. (well not fine exactly, but more believable)

[unreal ridge]

i say some mammalian AI i would believe on spiro is: wild boar , chickens , water buffalo , axis deer , salt water crocodile or mugger crocodile , and more

[honest sparrow]

I'd argue larger ai in general is kinda unrealistic and a bit too much but okapis and stuff are more believable than stuff like moose

[unreal ridge]

all the large animals would be eaten and all killed by the dinosaurs

[ashen elm]

Yes it's not exactly ideal but if they are going this far already, I think the best we can hope for is providing more realistic alternatives

[unreal ridge]

adaptable things like chickens , boar , small animals , crocodiles , etc would probably survive

[honest sparrow]

I would like to see things like rats, monkeys, and tropical birds, yknow small things that have a feasible way of existing on an island like that

[unreal ridge]

yeah exactly

[ashen elm]

Yes. Monkeys in particular, it makes 0 sense to hear them as ambient noise but never see them at all lol

[unreal ridge]

and why do we even need mammal AI if every single dinosaur will be AI

[pulsar lake]

[unreal ridge]

one thing i would love to see is birds , could you imagine trying to eat and catch em mid air as a ptera

[ashen elm]

Add Toucan Sam
actually i would love toucans no joke

[pulsar lake]

Good to imagine thing that may not happen

[honest sparrow]

idk, I think its fine, serves no purpose when every dino will apparently have ai but its a nice reminder we ARE in the modern day and act as additional fodder and dietary fallbacks for small and extra small carnis as well as juvis

[pulsar lake]

Ngl

Monke

Monke rule

[unreal ridge]

but like a lot of tropical bird species would fit in the game since birds can , you know fly onto the island and get eaten by a lot of things

[honest sparrow]

monke neat

[ashen elm]

I honestly think the mammal AI is for humans mostly
Dinosaur meat might be bad to eat for mercs? IDK I remember hearing something about that

[pulsar lake]

Better hypsi

[honest sparrow]

I wish dino meat was available to mercs

[unreal ridge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14wWxaMR2Mg this is what i would love , just putting food on the side of the water and even if player pteranodons dont come , bird AI like herons and egrets will (and AI pteras)

[pulsar lake]

I don't know if merc would go for animal meat in general.

Like, go find snacks and water in buildings.

[honest sparrow]

it sounds like such a missed opportunity to not have a big maia cookout feasible in game

[pulsar lake]

Then you have tribals

[unreal ridge]

you could sell dinosaur meat for millions

[pulsar lake]

Eating modern animals like dinosaurs.

[ashen elm]

inb4 there is complicated lore that dinosaur meat somehow turns you into a cannibal

[unreal ridge]

people eat iguana , why cant i chow down on tyrannosaurus

[pulsar lake]

Because, tbh, it is stupid and poachers do not do that to their loot.

As they need to sell the thing in the best condition.

[unreal ridge]

do you think if dinosaurs were alive today people would try and harvest triceratops horns and stegosaur thagomizers

[honest sparrow]

dude I just want to mount a rex head on my wall and then have the rest of its body for dinner

[pulsar lake]

They are stupid enough

[honest sparrow]

and leftovers for several weeks

[honest sparrow]

100%

[unreal ridge]

yeah it would be hard

trike horns are 100% bone

[honest sparrow]

eh

[barren zephyr]

like Elephants.
Yes

[unreal ridge]

I know theres an axis deer asset model they could easily meet our demands

its dull and grey but its there

[paper oriole]

Kudu get hunted by lions they would be fodder in the isle 😦

[unreal ridge]

plus kudu are more open plains wouldnt do well in a tropical rainforest

[ashen elm]

Lions are even faster than Carno though...

[prime silo]

a lion's hunting success rate is at most 19%, i wouldnt really call that a good comparison

[ashen elm]

Carno go, what? 60 kmh? Lions are like 80 kmh
So depending on the mammal, they should be fine

[paper oriole]

Acis deer reach over 60kmh too and are smaller right

[unreal ridge]

yes but one is a 420lbs cat and the other is a 3,000 to 4,600lbs giant dinosaur

[ashen elm]

Yes, Spotted Deer can work as well and go around 68 kmh I think

[paper oriole]

Honestly the smaller mammals work better

[ashen elm]

If it can outspeed and outstam the predator, that's more important.
well that and that the ai are being not totally dumb

[prime silo]

lions are also sprinters, only able to run at its max speed of 81 km/h for a short amount of time, what is the stamina for the carno

[unreal ridge]

they ate totally different prey though , lions work on team work while carnotaurus hunted larger slower hadrosaurs and i think sauropods

[ashen elm]

Carno's should be sprinters as well but since this is a game..

[ashen elm]

Yes my point is how viable that prey would be. If it can outtrun the fastest dinosaur on the island, I think that animal is pretty viable

[unreal ridge]

but what could a lion hunt on its own in a game with dinosaurs , anything it kills , it would be attacked and chased off from the kill immediately

it would almost entirely rely on a pride , at least utahraptor isnt totally helpless alone

[ashen elm]

.... I'm not arguing for Lions to be in the game, I'm talking about the Kudu lol

[paper oriole]

Lions would be shit in the isle lol bo thanks

[unreal ridge]

yeah sorry i think im getting offtopic

[paper oriole]

How long can a kudu run

[prime silo]

ill google it

[ashen elm]

Some antelope can go for hours but not sure on Kudu

[paper oriole]

Would it tire out and be free food for animals like utahraptor

If it can go for a while it may be viable

[unreal ridge]

i think a better antelope would be gazelles , you gotta be really quiet and sneak up real close , or they bolt and unless you are carnotaurus or herrasaurus you aint catching up

[ashen elm]

I think we underestimate a lot of mammals stamina, they are built for migrations

[unreal ridge]

have you noticed humans have really bad stamina in games? i guess modern humans but we were originally endurance hunters

[prime silo]

a lesser kudo can run only at 43 mph

[unreal ridge]

being able to sweat made us able to run for hours after hours without tiring

[paper oriole]

Humans in some countries still endurance hunt

[ashen elm]

I was actually reading that the endurance hunter concept is a myth

[paper oriole]

We are just lazy americans lol

[unreal ridge]

oh really?

[ashen elm]

Apparently, it was information from a marathon runner

[unreal ridge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=826HMLoiE_o i mean like this , running after a kudu for 8 hours

running down the prey

[paper oriole]

Yeah they still do it in south africa

Just keeping a steady slower speed, humans have more sweat glands so we dont overheat as fast i guess

[unreal ridge]

thats the thing the sweat actively cools us down

you dont really feel it but its doing something

[paper oriole]

Where other predators like lions can only sweat through their feet i think

[barren zephyr]

Most other mammals have a limited ability to sweat

[unreal ridge]

most other animals like dogs/wolves need to pant and lay down to rest

[barren zephyr]

usually they try find shade and pant, with a bit of sweating

[unreal ridge]

humans can keep running

[paper oriole]

Humans sweat everywhere, i know housecats sweat through their paw pads so it may be the same in lions, not a great way to cool pff

[unreal ridge]

well a lot of people dont really think about it but we came from one of the hottest climates

thats why we evolved to sweat so much

[paper oriole]

Some of the isle dinos get some crazy stam though, looking at dryo and utah also had pretty good stam, and some dinos with good trot speeds. so it could pose a problem to mammals

[unreal ridge]

and thats also why african animals are so adapted to us they've dealt with our BS for thousands upon thousands of years and know how to put us in our place

or know that we can put them in their place

[barren zephyr]

Four legs are ideal for delivering a lot of power and stability, but two legs take up less energy

[barren zephyr]

Say that to the Utah

[prime silo]

im trying to find prey that has good stamina but all im finding are predators. though i do now know that spotted dogs can run for hours on end

[unreal ridge]

dogs are also endurance hunters

[paper oriole]

African dogs are great endurance hunters

[unreal ridge]

just look at huskies bred to pull sleds for hours , they had to be able to run for hours

[paper oriole]

They are more successful than lions, they pester and tire out their prey with minumal injuries to themselves

[unreal ridge]

dogs over time have been evolving to be smaller , faster and more enduring

[barren zephyr]

leg proportions do matter as well.

I don't know if the indoraptor is faster with 2 or 4 legs

[unreal ridge]

if you look at old bone crushing dogs and the modern dholes and painted dogs , its evident they've been getting smaller and more nimble

[unreal ridge]

[barren zephyr]

Two legs, since indoraptor has stupid flimsy hands which will break if it runs

[unreal ridge]

that came outta the blue but i guess its technically what we're talking about

[prime silo]

horses are good endurance runners, especially wild ones

[ashen elm]

Was about to say, horses are good endurance runners

[unreal ridge]

fun fact: horses were never supposed to be in america , there used to be old species back when horses were evolving but they died out long before people started colonizing things

[barren zephyr]

Kangaroos probably have the most efficient means of travelling

[prime silo]

wasnt it the quagga or something like that?

[unreal ridge]

no no

[barren zephyr]

they do not actually need more power to generate more speed, they just need to adjust the angle at which they are jumping.

[prime silo]

it looked like a mix between a zebra and a horse it was cool

[barren zephyr]

no

[unreal ridge]

no quaggas are in africa

[barren zephyr]

quaggas are an extinct zebra subspecies

[unreal ridge]

and can still be found today (not real quaggas)

[ashen elm]

But I don't think you need to find especially good endurance mammals, tbh we have no idea how efficient of endurance animals most of these dinosaurs would be either and so their stamina values are arbitrary.

They can be adjusted to fit with the mammals and be more balanced.

[prime silo]

ahh okay i was getting them mixed up then

[unreal ridge]

modern zebras in quagga's home range are reverting back to the quagga color

which i think is cool af

[barren zephyr]

it is a part of a breeding program

but back to the isle

uh

kudu aren't that bad as an option.

[unreal ridge]

i would still prefer bongos

[pulsar lake]

Reason why we are op.

We can sweat so we can continue the effort for a long time and still get stamina back or economize it while most other mammals just claps after some minutes.

Ngl, I want humans in The Isle to be the animals that have the highest endurance

Dinosaurs may have been endurant but couldn't sweat as well so they needed to stop and recover their stamina that way.

The only problem for humans is that we're not fast, but then we must be the most endurant animal that has ever existed on earth.

Humans in The Isle (merc and tribals) :
-can craft small things
-throw with great power
-climb
-cook
-run for ages

Can't wait to see any animals being exhausted after some seconds and then mother fucking human running for 10 minutes.

I feel like everything has too much stamina while running and so most people run instead of trotting/walking.

[paper oriole]

Lmao “avoiding starvation” growing a rex or giga in legacy

Ai is hand fed to you

Also points to make your growth faster after you die is dumb

Just play sandbox

We dont need legacy all over again in evrima where we have 40 rexes and gigas on one server

[quiet condor]

If you guys are gonna do nothing to solve the problem and continue being toxic in response to my suggestion to make the game better instead of giving a proper explanation, then I don't belong here and this game will never be great as it's supposed to. goodbye

[paper oriole]

What problem

It is no problem that the strongest animals in the game should be hard to grow and take longer than the others

The game wouldnt be better if it is easy to make it to apex

I hope its way harder to hit apex in evrima than it was in legacy

Dam levi you typing up an essay lol

[pulsar lake]

Stamina wise, I'd do that for current roster :
(running time in seconds/stamina recovery time in seconds/number of jumps/special ability/attack being alt or not)

Carnivore :
-Carnotaurus : 40/65/0/25s/7
-Deinosuchus : 7/70/0/30s/10
-Pteranodon : 30/30/5/NA/NA
-Utahraptor : 55/60/5/15s if not buck, 4s if bucked by a large animal/15

Herbivore :
-Dryosaurus : 90/45/8/15 dodge/NA
-Hypsilophodon : 40/25/10/6 spits/NA
-Stegosaurus : 25/50/0/NA/20 stabs
-Tenontosaurus : 80/110/6/NA/5 tail slams|10 kicks

[paper oriole]

Looks pretty solid

Dryo out there on some steroids lol

[pulsar lake]

Tbh, I'd nerf its speed

So it is also slower than Utah

[paper oriole]

Id make it a few km/h slower than utah once its dodge isnt useless yeah. The real herbi speedster should be galli… unless hes on the omni roster now

[pulsar lake]

I'd say that eating insects and such isn't really potent.

Like yeah, it is omnivore but like it still feeds on smaller organisms that cannot really either flee or fight back.

eating Magy is being herbivore

[paper oriole]

If galli isnt eating any player vertebrates he may still fit on the herbi roster

[paper oriole]

What is it called when you eat a mistake

[pulsar lake]

Galli seriously isn't equipped for that. At least eggs and such but any small animal must be able to, so Herrera, Compy, Troodon, Mono, Velo, Rugops, Utah, Dilo, Megalania. All of those could feed on eggs and any juvenile car kvore actually.

I just hope diet requirements will change with animal growth.

[paper oriole]

Galli cant really chew yeah i dont think it can eat other dinos unless compies have a juvie stage or something lol. I guess it depends if the devs think eating eggs and frogs and bugs is enough to be on the omni faction

Would be neat to see evolving doets like how beardies start off needing more protein then grow up to eat more greens

[pulsar lake]

Example : Tyrannosaurus Rex.

Juveniles preferring fast preys like Gallimimus, Oviraptor and such.
Adolescents going for Pachycephalosaurus, Diabloceratops.
Subadult goes for Styracosaurus, Pachyrhinosaurus, Maiasaura.
Young adults for Parasaurolophus, Therizinosaurus and possibly Deinocheirus.
Adults going for Ankylosaurus, Triceratops, Shantungosaurus.

[keen reef]

What Isle discussing?

(this is the wrong channel)

[pulsar lake]

Reason why Rex is an impressive animal. It's ontogeny.

[paper oriole]

Rex could also evolve to go after different hadros/iguanadonts and ceratopsians

Since hes notorious for hadros and ceratopsians

[pulsar lake]

That's why I listed most of those animals in Rex diet.

[paper oriole]

And ceras have small and large representation in the isle

[pulsar lake]

Tbh

Let Cera survives as how it could

Like

Ceratosaurias were generalist going for anything they could find, except Abelisaurs who started to specialize.

[paper oriole]

I did kinda get the impression that cera was sort of unrestricted with his diet compared to others

Cannibalism, attacking a deino, eating gore

[pulsar lake]

Tbh

Any dinosaur could be some kind of cannibalistic

I really don't see why it is a problem

[paper oriole]

Yeah reptiles and birds often dont care

[pulsar lake]

"NOOOO he was the same species as me he shouldn't have to eat and and to pack mate "

Get fucked dude

Don't trust people who you don't know

If he's hungry he's hungry

You also are competition

One more reason to kill you

[paper oriole]

I hope cannibalism isnt punished too heavily, obly if it becomes habitual like they’re doing it totally on purpose maybe lol

All the people who complain about being cannibalized after trusting a stranger too much make me wish it wouldnt be punished at all tbh

Especially since people will kfs those they deem easy targets whether they plan on eating them after or not, we see this with deinos a ton where they simply leave the body and continue their spree

[limber hull]

honestly, one thing i hate more than cannibalism is the ability for herbivores to guard bodies extensively. While I disagree with ruining everything about a dino for simply touching a body, a mild acceleration to diet decay could be nice. Nothing too much, but something that makes people go "okay this is lame, cya" and would encourage them to actually migrate to beneficial food sources rather than stand there on the carni food

[paper oriole]

If body guarding negatively affects the hunter on herbis only for bodies that havent been dragged by a carni it may be not too exploitable

Would be irritating to be a slow herbi and some troll utah or carno or something just decides to ruin your day with a dryo body

[limber hull]

oh of course

that's why i hate the "make herbis puke if they touch a body" sentiment

or stuff like that

[paper oriole]

Yeah its unrealistic and irritating lol

[limber hull]

yep, it needs to be done subtly and elegantly, more of a "please leave and let people have their thing" over "fuck you, lose this fight because you touched a corpse"

[molten tulip]

Something I saw that was ok was having blood and rotten crap coat the grass for a radius around the corpse so the herbivores can't graze around it

It wouldn't make them leave just if they start going hungry they have to walk a bit away to eat grass

For it to be abused thered have to be gigantic corpses in every square meter of the field

[pulsar lake]

But who cares about grazing?

It also is a low diet reward

[molten tulip]

Just so they can't sit on a corpse indefinitely without having to leave to eat

Also grazing as a low diet reward would help the problem anyway

[paper oriole]

That mightve been my idea actually lol unless somebody before me had brought it up way back

It would at least stop them from just sitting there eating grass until they had to drink

[molten tulip]

It probably was

But I like that its rooted in physical phenomena and isn't a punishment, just an obstacle

Unlike getting zapped by god because your herbivore is being mean to the carnivores

[limber hull]

spork

[tidal frigate]

Yeah legacy spino is spoon new spino is spork and hypo spino is fork

[limber hull]

how

[tidal frigate]

Spoons are fragile spork are better and forks are best

[limber hull]

what does this have to do with a dinosaur

[tidal frigate]

Spinos nickname is spoon in legacy

[limber hull]

i have literally never heard anyone refer to it as that

[hasty dagger]

Concept is nearly perfect in my eyes, all it needs is some beefing up in the arms and it’s

[tidal frigate]

New spino is not a f*cking jp3 ripoff they look nothing alike

[hasty dagger]

I will admit that, they are vastly different, I still prefer the uniqueness the concept brings to the table instead of the homogenized “monster” Spino we have now

Which I think that’s what people mean when they call it a JP3 Spino, it’s the same concept

[tidal frigate]

Fred’s spino looks okay but the reason spino is getting “monsterized” is so it can stand up to bigger creatures

[hasty dagger]

Fred’s Spino would do fine with some beefed up arms, the only reason we have the Spino we have now is somebody made a design choice

Stuff like Tap’s Spino would get obliterated, but Fred’s is nearly perfect

[tidal frigate]

So would Fred’s it’s very thin

[hasty dagger]

Idk about that, there’s no good front profile in the pic to give us a sense of thickness

[limber hull]

i hate the JP ripoff argument because Isle Spino looks entirely unique

[hasty dagger]

And even so, the model Spino isn’t all that thick either, it’s bulky and muscled

But not wide

[limber hull]

i do like the concept art tho

[tidal frigate]

Yes and so do I I just prefer the new one

[limber hull]

I like his little villain grin it's great

[tidal frigate]

One thing I hope they change the crest but other than that it’s perfect

[warm flame]

@shell mica people would probably respawn because they have short small horns/thagomizers

it'd be better if they grew based on playstyle, the more you fight the bigger, or you could scrape them on trees to make them bigger

[odd sedge]

Have you never read those
S for Spoon eggos
in legacy chats?

[limber hull]

no

[odd sedge]

H... how

[limber hull]

all i read was mainly people complaining about rules lmao

[odd sedge]

Spork is still good tho

[vale pawn]

yep thats global

[odd sedge]

I will refer to Spino as spork from now on

[pulsar lake]

Ngl, I agree with large animal AI being unnecessary and not really good for the game.

Like, those ones are worse folders than already fooders dinosaurs and would even overheat for some.

And JP inspiration again and again.

They are place holder, yes, and I hope they'll be changed.

Even fox is ueless

Thing is a worse Velo.

[limber hull]

personally, i think that the animal AI is a good way to go. Not the large ones, but I'd be happy if this coming AI was the only AI they wanted to add

[pulsar lake]

Things like turtles, crabs, frogs (not the oversized arboreal ones), lizards, monkeys, flying birds and such are good.

Like really, fresh spawn or really small animals' food

But Isle decided to add cows and so feed things up to Cerato with ease.

[hoary dawn]

people continuing to call our spino a jp ripoff despite it not looking at all like the jp spino

i dislike the design too but calling it a jp ripoff is just stretching it especially when there are actual jp ripoffs in the game cough utah cough

[paper oriole]

Calling it a jp ripoff is easier than calling it a generic movie monster dino, which it is

Where it's like “this dino doesn’t look cool enough, lets make it look like a boring cheap kaiju wannabe”

Which jp spino also is, but doesn’t have the same appearance. Also they had the excuse of outdated reconstructions

[tawny juniper]

People are talking about the bad sail, Similar to jp where the sail is not very predominant

I see other people already explained, my bad

[paper oriole]

Tiny sail, huge legs. Two similarities

Why do designers think making spino a generic land theropod look even remotely cool

[worn pumice]

their basically the same thing

pretty boring but whatever

[molten tulip]

Not to mention the eyeballs in the wrong socket and having a cardboard head with no readable underlying anatomy

[tawny juniper]

The sail is almost twice as tall as the torso

@tidal frigate

[tidal frigate]

Camera making the sail look small

[wicked furnace]

They look nothing alike exept for the stance*

Why do people keep making that comparison

[tidal frigate]

But the sail doesn’t look anything like jp3s sail

[tawny juniper]

Not really, In comparison to the body it should be about twice as tall, which it isn't in either

[tawny juniper]

sail size is the comparison

not appearance

[tidal frigate]

The sail is massive compared to jp3

[wicked furnace]

^

[tawny juniper]

Not massive, it's a bit bigger but still so small it draws comparison

[pure fossil]

Why you ask even real Spino when at the end results that even the “form” of Spinosaurus it’s not even totally clear and they change always something every couple of years lmao

The sail it’s perfect for the way they did spoon

[tawny juniper]

the way the did 'spoon' is wrong

they*

[pure fossil]

They way spoon was made several years till now is wrong too

If not it will be not that different

[tidal frigate]

At least they didn’t make it a sucho will a sail or a goose with a sail like irl

[pure fossil]

What I say with this is: don’t ask that kind of realism with an animal that irl is not even clear how it was

With rex I could understand, but spoon not

[tidal frigate]

Your talking about this like it’s a documentary not a fun dinosaur game

[tawny juniper]

How is there a difference between rex and 'spoon'

[pure fossil]

We now near at 98% clear how rexes were

[tawny juniper]

Not quite, But spino is supposed to aquatic dino with a huge sail, and fin tail, instead we just got tiny sail spino it isn't right

[pure fossil]

Spoon not

[tawny juniper]

how are we sure of that at all

[tidal frigate]

Spino has a sail a snout claws and bigger arms a much bigger tail it has bigger legs it has a very different body shape it’s eyes are very different and aren’t “in the wrong socket”

[tawny juniper]

@paper oriole help me out

[tidal frigate]

Compared to that pic the isle spinos sail is massive

[pure fossil]

Seriously you ask this? Lmao

[tawny juniper]

Yes I ask this, I want to know how we know that

[tidal frigate]

There sails are almost the same size

[pure fossil]

Dude, I will literally answer you with the same coin and maybe you will answer yourself

[pure fossil]

How we know this

[tawny juniper]

I don't even understand what this means

I'm asking you how we know 98% of rex pls answer

[tidal frigate]

At least we didn’t get:

[tawny juniper]

like how are we 98% sure what it was like

[tidal frigate]

Sue

[pure fossil]

Bones of Due

Sue

And the other Rex

How it was dam

S something too

[urban flax]

Stan

[pure fossil]

Yeah thanks

[paper oriole]

Bro this is a hundred times better than what we got lol

[tidal frigate]

Fat legacy spino

[paper oriole]

Except it isnt?

[tidal frigate]

Fat irl spino nothing cool about it

[tawny juniper]

How does that make us 98% sure what they were like

[tawny juniper]

You can't determine an entire organisms way of life through its bones

[paper oriole]

That picture is a good midway between fictionalized and realistic

[pure fossil]

The structure yes, that I was talking about.

[paper oriole]

These arent the same design lol

[tidal frigate]

But incredibly close

[pure fossil]

The bones are enough for determine a Rex structure near that percentage easily

[tawny juniper]

well you should specify that 😑

[pure fossil]

It’s logic

[tidal frigate]

Also there are people mad at the current one for not having a crest when Fred’s and tapwing doesn’t have one

[pure fossil]

We are talking about sooon sail, wich is part of its structure

If a talk about Rex it’s logic I will use an example related to structure design

[tawny juniper]

not really, you made it seem like we knew 98% of how rex looked, its behavior, what it ate, etc.

[paper oriole]

Taps does have a crest, its just not pronounced. Isle spinos crest is hidden by his rex wannabe brows

So neither have a large crest

[tawny juniper]

So you should probably specify that you are talking only about the structure of rex

[tidal frigate]

It’s exactly the same

[tawny juniper]

rather then leave it up to 'logic'

[paper oriole]

Taps has a better face

[tidal frigate]

They look nothing alike

[paper oriole]

Lmao yeah they do

[tidal frigate]

And spino doesn’t have “Rex brows”

[barren zephyr]

lol l

[tawny juniper]

They do

[pure fossil]

Logic, I repeat. You literally wanted understand that because the chat about spoon was clear and you wanted go to another topic. Was talking about structure.

Now, I repeat myself: don’t ask that kind of reality to an animal that we barely know something about it

[tidal frigate]

Are you serious? Spino doesn’t even have a brow

[barren zephyr]

It does. It’s just super tiny

[tidal frigate]

Then it’s not a “Rex brow”

Off topic but I hope a Dino is based off of this

[tawny juniper]

We are talking about spoon saila nd structure, then you go we know 98% of rex, but not a lot about spoon, and just expect me to interpret that in the exact way you intended to say it, like absolutely not be specific when you are making reference or people will get confused,

[barren zephyr]

Bad animal

[barren zephyr]

Good animal

[tidal frigate]

That’s a ridge on its head not grows

[tawny juniper]

Same eyebrow arch spike thing

[paper oriole]

Triangular as fuck

[barren zephyr]

My eyes

[swift dew]

extended sub rex head, if that is what you are talking about

[paper oriole]

Yes that

[tidal frigate]

That’s not true

[paper oriole]

Cringe spino

[barren zephyr]

They really need to re do the spino design. instead of making it look like a generic movie monster kaiju.

[pure fossil]

Offffffffff that hurts

[paper oriole]

Yeah its so fucking boring lmao

[pure fossil]

Never realized that

[swift dew]

its literally right there, if you cannot see it then idk what to tell you

[paper oriole]

So uninspired

He's in denial

[barren zephyr]

They definitely rushed it’s design for the hope trailer lol

[tawny juniper]

It's head is change slightly to be spino headhttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/423939730544132096/869667710324310106/unknown.png

[outer condor]

After you see the sub rex head you will never unsee it

[paper oriole]

Triangular

[barren zephyr]

Me who's in a corner and I like the Spino design

Sub rex bigger than adult rex confirmed

[tawny juniper]

what was the point in that

[tidal frigate]

That’s like saying that sense a human has the same looking skull as a ape so it’s a stretched ape skull

[outer condor]

It gets smaller as it ages

[tawny juniper]

would you like to contribute, we'd be happy to hear your insight

[barren zephyr]

Point of me liking the Spino design, duh

We won’t bully you

[tawny juniper]

it is kind of

[paper oriole]

Have you seen how different ape skulls are all over

[tidal frigate]

Exactly

[paper oriole]

You cant cut a bit off an ape skull and be like hey its a human now

[tawny juniper]

Apes are all related so they have generally similar skulls, or at least some resemblance

[paper oriole]

Unlike spino

[tidal frigate]

Neither can you with spino

[paper oriole]

Not an actual spino yeah

But shorten isle spino face and its rex cosplaying

[tawny juniper]

This isn't a real spino you know

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/423939730544132096/869667710324310106/unknown.png

[barren zephyr]

tapwings spino

[tawny juniper]

that's the hope trailer rendition

[tidal frigate]

Sucks

[paper oriole]

Tap's spino is

[barren zephyr]

is good

[tidal frigate]

Yeah let’s just make this spino gain 200 pounds and voila

[paper oriole]

Isles spino now doesnt even deserve to be called spino

[paper oriole]

This isnt tap's spino, silly

[tidal frigate]

Neither does taps or freds

[tawny juniper]

I don't think thats a very good rendition of our current spino understanding

It might be but I don't think it is

[honest sparrow]

Honestly if they continue to use the subrex head why not just go all in on retrosaur spino

[honest sparrow]

Acrocanthosaurus

[tawny juniper]

acro

[barren zephyr]

Realistic spino stature> cringe and unepic basic 13 year old theropod oc stature

[tawny juniper]

I don't think thats a very good source, it's labeled as an acro

[paper oriole]

Unironically this looks better than isle spino lmao

[barren zephyr]

My main

Spino main now

[tidal frigate]

How that looks ugly as frick

[tawny juniper]

the isle one or the picture

[paper oriole]

Like isle spino?

[honest sparrow]

Realistic spino has the problem of being a little baby bitch man

[paper oriole]

Good spinos

[barren zephyr]

Based

[tidal frigate]

At least they didn’t go with the current one hey eat to many fish

[barren zephyr]

big fat tail on tapwings spino

[tidal frigate]

No I prefer it to not look like it’s obese or make it look like a crocodile grew lags and arms

[barren zephyr]

Plus the spine is actually connected to the tail

[paper oriole]

That's right you prefer they rake away everything that makes the animal unique and turn it into generic land apex #3

[tawny juniper]

^

[honest sparrow]

Like yeah, tap spino looks really nice, it’s still a shorty and would get absolutely shit on by its competition

[paper oriole]

Instead of something that hunts among the future aquatic and subaquatic roster and look good while doing it

[barren zephyr]

Roster split all apexes into different categories ruin the game-epic win

[tidal frigate]

I prefer making it look like it didn’t gain 200 pounds

[paper oriole]

Crocodiles don’t have legs? I learn something new every day

[tawny juniper]

what are you on

[tidal frigate]

I meant bipedal

[paper oriole]

200lb is literally nothing to this size of animal, and spino is supposed to be a chunkster

[barren zephyr]

Isn’t spino going to be like 8+ tons in this game anyways?

[tidal frigate]

Yep so chunky

[paper oriole]

We have rex and giga, there was 0 reasons for the devs to make the third apex another generic terrestrial but they are so addicted to their movie monster designs

[tawny juniper]

Those are pretty chuny

[tidal frigate]

How about to not make it look fat or like a goose with a sail

[tawny juniper]

Have you seen a goose recently

[barren zephyr]

Why not though

[tidal frigate]

And make it look cool

[barren zephyr]

What’s so wrong with that

[paper oriole]

Like tapwing's? I agree

[barren zephyr]

The current spino design is anything but “cool”

[paper oriole]

Isle spino is the opposite of cool, it is boring

It is lazy, it looks cheap

[barren zephyr]

Bad animal

[paper oriole]

What the fuck

[barren zephyr]

go

[paper oriole]

Is that a joke

[tidal frigate]

Kinda

[barren zephyr]

Maybe if the head actually looked like that in game it wouldn’t be so boring. The one thing that gets me about the spino currently is the face.

[tidal frigate]

But I don’t like Fred’s model it looks like an anky could hit it and all of its bones would break but I hate tapwings design

[barren zephyr]

Spinosaurus

[tidal frigate]

2020 spino

Spinosaurus used to be so cool until it was ruined by its fish tail

[paper oriole]

You just like copypaste terrestrial theropods admit it

[barren zephyr]

why does that ruin it

[paper oriole]

The same mold over and over

[tidal frigate]

So you want it to be bright pink?

[barren zephyr]

What are you talking about???

[barren zephyr]

Yep that’s 2020 spino

[tidal frigate]

No I like cool dinosaur snot ugly gooses with spinosaurus they made it cool and as far away from Rex as they could and then people just said it’s a jp3 ripoff and a Rex ripoff

[icy lion]

this conversation doesnt seem to correlate to any post in #general-feedback currently.

[honest sparrow]

I think Spino works well as the “go wherever do whatever apex” , deino rules deep water and rex and Giga contend the land spino is able to wade around and clap cheeks wherever. I don’t think fully realistic spino would do too well in game, but I don’t think it being committed to land 100% of the time works either, spino could have a unique identity as the semi aquatic do whatever defensive apex, but given isle devs and isle community I doubt there will really ever be a compromise when it comes to design decisions, I would prefer Fred’s spino as that fits the best imo but again, all matter of opinion, feel free to crucify me

[tawny juniper]

It just abot spino in general due to these post

[icy lion]

ah, my bad then. those were quite a while ago lol

[paper oriole]

Your definition of cool dinosaurs seems to be copypasted movie monster land theropods

[barren zephyr]

Spino talk is always interesting

[tidal frigate]

I’m just suggesting things for my favorite dinosaur what’s wrong with that

[barren zephyr]

Even if spino is lame

[icy lion]

thats certainly a word for it

[tidal frigate]

You know what is?

[barren zephyr]

Based

[paper oriole]

a good rex?

[barren zephyr]

Probably the best rex

[tawny juniper]

that rex looks phenomonal

[paper oriole]

Chunky

[barren zephyr]

Rex with lips is probably the best thing to happen in paleontology

[honest sparrow]

Such a solid rex, I’ll never get over the color choice but it’s still a good rex

[tidal frigate]

A “copypasted movie monster dinosaur”

[paper oriole]

No, isle spino is

Silly

[barren zephyr]

^

that rex is just normal rex

[tidal frigate]

Before and after

[icy lion]

im confused

[tidal frigate]

Saurian Rex

[honest sparrow]

General feedback discussion

[barren zephyr]

Rex has always looked like a beast from the very beginning. no matter what.

[icy lion]

im aware

[barren zephyr]

dinosaur politics

[icy lion]

i just dont see the reason to complain about hyperaccuracy in spinos case when the model was finished months before the 2020 discoveries, possibly even a year before then

[tidal frigate]

You think they want a leaf for a spinosaurus?

[icy lion]

criticizing the design yes of course but bringing in irl spino doesnt make much sense to me

[paper oriole]

Spino not having long ass terrestrial legs was already known by then

[barren zephyr]

just change the head. Model will be better

[tidal frigate]

What’s wrong with the freaking head

[honest sparrow]

Whenever people have a problem with a dinosaur’s design they always look to what the actual dino looked like for guidance

[paper oriole]

Criticizing the design is probably hopeless but its still an easy model to shit on

[tidal frigate]

Just because it actually looks cool unlike Rex

[icy lion]

im aware, however peoples criticisms of our spino skyrocketed after the 2020 findings as if the devs had future vision

[honest sparrow]

Subrex head picture post #9372818 in this convo

[barren zephyr]

probably because it’s true

[paper oriole]

Generic movie monster == cool

[barren zephyr]

Rex better

[barren zephyr]

Spino bad

[paper oriole]

Based design

[barren zephyr]

it really feels like we’re going in circles at this point.

[paper oriole]

As usual

[icy lion]

thats how all spino design convos go

[paper oriole]

Spino fights never go anywhere

[honest sparrow]

Big news that people like and are aware of so people talk about it and want this version they think is cool and unique to make it in game, even tho the design was decided upon

[barren zephyr]

Quick someone make a giga or acro suggestion so we can talk about a cool dinosaur

[honest sparrow]

Spino designs never satisfy anyone

[tidal frigate]

These three don’t look anything alike

[tidal frigate]

I love the new model it’s my favorite

[paper oriole]

If they renamed isle spino's species name it would make it somewhat forgivable

[barren zephyr]

I will send the sub rex spino head image again

[tidal frigate]

To what?

[barren zephyr]

Same

[honest sparrow]

I really don’t care as long as it looks passable and serves the gameplay of the creature

I have my favorites and hated designs

[barren zephyr]

what is your most hated design ptera

[honest sparrow]

Austro

Without a doubt

[icy lion]

does our spino even have a species name? was it listed as aegyptiacus in the trailer?

[barren zephyr]

ok yeah that one sucks

Actually, I'm starting to like Rhino Anky design now

trolling

[paper oriole]

Something that isnt aegyptiacus cus it fuckin aint

[tidal frigate]

No it’s just called spinosaurus

[honest sparrow]

You?

[tidal frigate]

The reason spino looks the way it does is so it doesn’t get destroyed by Gigi’s and Rex immediately

[dapper mirage]

Spinosaurus awesomebroicus

[barren zephyr]

I’m gonna put my spino hate bias aside and probably say utah. or Anky.

Anky is epic though so

[honest sparrow]

Very fair

[paper oriole]

If the abominations like spino, utah, anky, and the dinos with decent changes like teno had new species names their designs would be somewhat forgivable as the freak mutants that they are

[outer condor]

Spinosaurus isleiacus

[tidal frigate]

It’s just called spinosaurus look first

[paper oriole]

Ok why not its better than aegyptiacus

[dapper mirage]

Just give spino a new skull and tail and I’m happy

[barren zephyr]

yeah please. change the head.

[paper oriole]

Yeah its face is the worst

[honest sparrow]

A different skull would be so nice

[paper oriole]

Cringe rex head

[barren zephyr]

vs based and epic original crocodilian head

[paper oriole]

Its long legs are kinda lame but if it had a better head it would be so much better

[dapper mirage]

Although if I had to pick between a head replacement and a tail replacement, I’d reluctantly pick tail

Cuz I REALLY want a tail fin spino

[outer condor]

Just give it these proportions and accurate head and I will be fine

[tidal frigate]

Look at it in the trailer yes but in a different angle it’s skull looks nothing like a sub Rex skull

[paper oriole]

It kinda do tho

[barren zephyr]

probably because it’s mouth is open

[outer condor]

I still see subrex

[barren zephyr]

now you can see it

[dapper mirage]

Someone posted this the other day but if this was our utah I’d be so happy

[tidal frigate]

Not really

[barren zephyr]

based epic utah

[paper oriole]

Ugh yes an actual utahraptor

[outer condor]

🙏

[barren zephyr]

why can’t we have muscular feathered utah

[dapper mirage]

Because screw originality apparently

[barren zephyr]

instead we have scraggly Skinny house gecko

[honest sparrow]

Reasons

[tidal frigate]

Because that would be very impractical

[paper oriole]

They should rename our current one to apolloraptor or some shit or change it to something that actually looks like a utah

[barren zephyr]

why would it be very impractical

[dapper mirage]

apolloraptor

[barren zephyr]

I think you’re just being biased about the devs decisions at this point

[paper oriole]

Cringe name for cringe raptor

[outer condor]

Give utah a utah alt skin

[honest sparrow]

nova raptor

[tidal frigate]

If it was to bulky it would be to slow

[barren zephyr]

remove utah from the game

I mean they could always give it stat adjustments

[honest sparrow]

Utah is a necessary evil

[dapper mirage]

Ok hot take I’ve been playing utah more and more in legacy and it’s honestly kinda fun, especially in a duo

WAIT

NO

[tidal frigate]

Make megalaina look better

[dapper mirage]

**evrima

[barren zephyr]

SHUT UP PESKY

NO

BAD

[dapper mirage]

NOT LEGACY

[paper oriole]

Its a fun dino to play but it looks like a dollar store toy

[dapper mirage]

I MISTYPED

[tidal frigate]

It’s fun in ervima to sneak around like snake

[honest sparrow]

Utah in small coordinated shit in evrima is insanely fun

[barren zephyr]

THATS NOT ALLOWED

[dapper mirage]

EVRIMA utah is fun. Legacy is awful

[tidal frigate]

Legacy spino sucks and so does legacy Utah

[barren zephyr]

evrima utah actually feels pretty good

[honest sparrow]

^

[barren zephyr]

taking down carnos and tenos with a small pack is pretty nice

[tidal frigate]

[honest sparrow]

It’s a shame it looks like ass with mustard smeared on it but it is fun

[paper oriole]

Legacy utah is fun if you get dock raptor groups to sit in a pile for “cute screenshot” and then spam bite them all, sabotaging the whole pack

[barren zephyr]

Utah is fun in Evirma, ALOT fun

[tidal frigate]

[barren zephyr]

legacy utah feels so slow

[dapper mirage]

This

[paper oriole]

[barren zephyr]

Actually, everything in legacy felt slow

even carno

[tidal frigate]

[honest sparrow]

Carno felt really sluggish

[dapper mirage]

I will never play legacy carno again after playing evrima carno

[paper oriole]

[dapper mirage]

I watched an old vid of mine one legacy carno, I don’t know how anyone could enjoy that thing

[barren zephyr]

chad epic and based evrima carno vs cringe and unepic weak legacy carno

[dapper mirage]

It’s TERRIBLE

[tidal frigate]

Well I can’t play legacy it won’t let me bite or sit or crouch

[barren zephyr]

it can’t even fight

it just runs

[dapper mirage]

No damage, no turn, no nothing

[barren zephyr]

and runs

and runs some more

Then you sit for 10 minutes straight to get stamina

[paper oriole]

Ngl i enjoyed juvie legacy carno more than its adult version

[barren zephyr]

Carno in Legacy is sausage

[tidal frigate]

Allo is the only Dino in legacy that felt good

[honest sparrow]

Why even play carno in legacy when Galli does your job better

[barren zephyr]

Then you run some more

[dapper mirage]

It’s not even that carno in legacy was overpowered OR underpowered. The damn thing just didn’t WORK

[outer condor]

Maia

[barren zephyr]

Hitbox didn’t exist

you could just bite someone and it wouldn’t hit

[honest sparrow]

Herra felt pretty smooth to play tbf

[barren zephyr]

Juvie killer

[dapper mirage]

Herra always has

[barren zephyr]

Herrera is naked mole rat

[dapper mirage]

Also I’m still impressed that they found a way to make stego balanced in evrima

[honest sparrow]

Never get rid of that old herra trot anim

[barren zephyr]

Herrera is utah but maybe cool

[dapper mirage]

Legacy stego was untouchable for basically anything that wasn’t rex giga or spino

[tidal frigate]

Make this the wallow animation for something (that isn’t hypsi)

[paper oriole]

Give that to utah but they instadie after the animation finishes

[honest sparrow]

In legacy it was cooler since it solod gigas and couldn’t rock camp as much as utah, in evrima it’s way cooler because it is monke

[tidal frigate]

Why

[paper oriole]

Because

[tidal frigate]

I’d say that for deino

[outer condor]

Spino

[tidal frigate]

I was tempted to type that

[honest sparrow]

I remember I got a bunch of randoms to take down a carno as herra on a dm server once

It was glorious

[barren zephyr]

sussy herreras

[dapper mirage]

As much as I like and appreciate our new herra, I really wish we got this instead

[barren zephyr]

fred

[tidal frigate]

That’s a velo

[barren zephyr]

That’s not a velo lol

The colours are nice

[dapper mirage]

That is in fact a herra

[icy lion]

definitely not a velo

[tidal frigate]

Those colors are from walking with dinosaurs

[outer condor]

If it's a velo where is it's toe claw

[honest sparrow]

Even if Fred art is always better I don’t think the herra we got by any means is bad

[tidal frigate]

Wait no

[barren zephyr]

I actually really like the herrera design

although not many people like it

[dapper mirage]

I like both Fred’s and the one we got

[honest sparrow]

People don’t like it?

[dapper mirage]

But if I had to pick I’d pick Fred’s

[barren zephyr]

the one we got fits with the isle though

[dapper mirage]

I’ve heard people say they don’t care for it ye

[tidal frigate]

They just look pretty similar