general-feedback-discussion

[sudden hinge]

Ehh I still don’t see the point theyll most likely be able to burrow invade so giving them climbing is pretty heavy on there kit ontop of that it might protect them from other Utah’s but there is going to be an entire ecosystem in the trees that won’t pass up a utah snack so I don’t really see the benefit

[barren zephyr]

Idk I just don’t like the idea of them basically being worse versions of there adults that can’t do much. It’s why some people don’t like growing. Because running into a forest is basically your only option of hiding

And because no babies were ever just born without parents and thrown into the world. It does make it kinda hard to survive with no protection

[sudden hinge]

I mean that’s what hatchlings and juvis are for the most part some will have things that adults can’t do but that doesn’t need to apply to everyone of them. Like hiding in logs will be a thing and all juvis can do that for the most part

[sudden hinge]

I mean that’s how Komodos do it they literally are born and fend for themselves immediately

[barren zephyr]

Well yeah I’m just saying it’s not really a good gameplay experience if all I can do is hope something bigger doesn’t find me or just run into the forest where they could still follow me in cause I’m a pathetic weakling

[sudden hinge]

Yes most dinosaurs would take care of there young and with nesting that will help but like hatchlings and juvis are already way more buff than they were in legacy

[barren zephyr]

I’m just thinking of ways to improve baby/juvie gameplay

[sudden hinge]

Like I said that’s more of where you play scenario because you can survive very easily as a hatchling or juvi

Easy stay away from populated areas or find a herd in a less populated area

[jovial hazel]

Diet never forces you. It just heps you if you follow it.

[sudden hinge]

Dietary options will also have multiple places to find them not just hotspots

[jovial hazel]

That's up to you. Go into a dangerous area to not be malnourished, or hide and survive to work on diet later. I don't know.

[sudden hinge]

So you’ll be able to survive

[jovial hazel]

All speculative, anyways.

[sudden hinge]

Well diets are kinda going to be more you’ll need to stick to your diet to do well a

Yes but diet requirements aren’t necessarily needed to fill up a carnivore you can very easily hunt your preferred food and then leave to find something to fill you up

[jovial hazel]

It's going to be the same for herbivore, according to what punch said. You can fill your hunger with the normal bushes at any time. Diets will be separate to boost your growth and other stuff.

And obviously there will be down sides to not following diet. But I can't imagine then punishing you heavily as a young dino.

You're already pretty gimpy as it is, either way.

[sudden hinge]

It’ll still be punishing its across the board since a growth debuff is like one of the big ones

[jovial hazel]

Yeah, I guess we'll see.

[sudden hinge]

Which will probably be easy to find since it’ll probably be ambient ai

I mean that’s the point to make it more dynamic than just eating random stuff

[jovial hazel]

It's kind of supposed to be a chore. Right now you can damn near afk grow everything.

And everyone just hides in one spot until grown

[sudden hinge]

AFK growing is so boring dev only did it in legacy

[jovial hazel]

Now they will have to travel, force more organic interaction, instead of just the grow and deathmatch.

That's the hope, atleast.

[sudden hinge]

Eh I think moving around is the point of diets tho

Like staying in one area isn’t really what the devs want to push for gameplay

Food will despawn and they have stated they want a migration mechanic

Which with dynamic weather and other factors everything will need to move

I mean the locations for there food will probably be remote or there will be places you can find your preferred food where it’s out of the way and safe

Staying in one area the entire game is pretty boring and uneventful and brings back great falls vibes

[bold palm]

Thoughts on night vision?

[keen reef]

It's not night vision, that's the normal nighttime vision that you'll get as any standard creature, and I think it's great

[bold palm]

so it is a transitional change

nice

that's what I was hoping for

pressing v makes no sense imo

I would also assume that some dinos will see better at night than others? even with all of them having some form of night vision yeah?

discussions on the map are mute, they're making a new map.

[sudden hinge]

I’m hoping this is the case more so than the nocturnals that will obviously have better night vision then everyone I think most carnivores should have varying degrees of night vision that all exceed most of the herbs aside for a few that would be able to see better at night or could potentially be nocturnal as well

[white rune]

Gonna do a suggestion when I will be able to

[bold palm]

Ya i agree as well I think dinos should have different FOV's based on eye placement, but I'll take a more realistic approach to night too. And yes, each dino should have different levels depending on what they are.

[white rune]

something kinda like this tbh about vision range, blur, colors and details.

Like carnivores having a more forward focused night vision and herbivore a peripherical one.

range depending of species

same for details, the coloration etc

[bold palm]

Yeah as long as it doesn't make it too hard to tell what you're doing, so within reason and if not added vision then some form of warning, a dot in the right side of the screen to signify something is in your vision zone.

all around more realistic vision for each dino and with it realistic night vision as well.

If they set the vision for each dino, then do night vision they'd only need to change the amount that each could see at night.

[white rune]

Yeah

also the distance kinda

[bold palm]

yea

could be handled with blurry vision

[white rune]

like Tyrannosaurus could have a great night vision tbh, maybe one of the best among the theropod roster, but it is almost only forward focused

for herbivores, Dryosaurus and such animals

Hadrosaurs would be decent

[bold palm]

so something like an elephant has shitty vision at night and daytime honestly, would be more blurry further away

where something with eagle vision could see clearly far away

[white rune]

too much blur would kill people's eyes and just make them log out for the night

like

it needs to be kind of soft

[bold palm]

right, have to balance it all

[white rune]

like when you start sleeping

[bold palm]

uhm no not that

just a general blur, so actually if you have nvidia

you can apply a filter

and the way it's does distance with blur is what I'm talking about

one sec I'll get the specific name of it so you can try it out

see what I'm talkin about

Ya it's called depth of field

you can adjust how far away it starts and all that, but with it on it makes things look much more realistic

[white rune]

Yeah I see

use it a lot on PoT and JWE

[bold palm]

ya

[white rune]

That'd be neat tbh

[bold palm]

a lot of the filters on this are nice and I wish they'd implement some of these into the game.

[white rune]

but nothing should have 100% blur ratio like you can do

[bold palm]

ya of course not

[white rune]

Ngl, I'd like some kind of photo mod to some point

[bold palm]

but low vision dinos would have a closer blur effect

[white rune]

but it is a survival game

yeah

like tbh Ankylosaurs, Stegosaurs and Ceratopsians (except Ava as I'd like it to be nocturnal for its sake)

then ornithopods, Pachycephalosaurs, sauropods are decent

[bold palm]

so i guess add the "depth of field" add the FOV changes for dino eye placement and such, then add night vision to gadually come into focus as night time approaches. a gradual transition from day to night, twilight time would be the worse for dinos then night vision based on the dino too, how bright basically.

anyway, this old guy needs coffee. I'll be back, stoked that progress is being made and LOOKING FORWARD TO UPDATE 4/ 4.5 !

[white rune]

Why has night to always be dark as hell?

I mean, it could depend of the meteo, the atmosphere, the place and such things. Like in the open with a clear sky you could be able to see properly without night vision by in closed areas like jungles, forests and swamps you may need to use it as how dark it is or with a clouded sky, possibly a storm during the night changing the luminosity.

There is an example with the recent PK's devblog.

Also the nights in RDR2 are a good example.

[stray holly]

The nights in RDR2 are made by a triple A game studio. I don’t know if they’ll ever look that good ingame

[white rune]

They are done on Rage but yeah that too.

Still good to take as example.

[stray holly]

Yeah for sure.

[bold palm]

yes, the night in RDR2 would be nice to have in the isle. I mean I envision night coming on and the dino eye sight adjusting to that, the result would be like you'd imagine night vision on a night safari in Africa.

should see the glare the eyes as well

give humans a flashlight, they could shine crocs

The RDR2 example is how it would look for humans

[hybrid matrix]

@oak tapir i dont think it'd be fair for kentro to be immune to utah pounce. I think it'd be better to make it so that if a utah pounces a kentro it takes massive bleed damage

and the longer its on the kentro, the more damage it does to itself

[oak tapir]

It will literally puncture its fucking lunge or even heart …

[hybrid matrix]

yeah i know

if a utah is dumb enough to pounce a kentro then let it

[sudden hinge]

I’d make it so that you take damage but not make kentro immune to damage

[oak tapir]

Ight but kentro’s head is unguarded so it’s not completely safe

[hybrid matrix]

exactly

[oak tapir]

Just make Kentro have an easier time to Utah’s

[craggy charm]

kentro needs to have some weeknesses, making it immune to carno's charge and utah's pounce is pretty unbalanced, how about utahs just cant pounce onto the shoulder and instead have to aim for the hip, and carno as well with its charge

[sudden hinge]

Like the longer your on the kentro the more bleed and damage stacks making Utah’s not hang on for long

[hybrid matrix]

thats what i said

[craggy charm]

forgot to add but if they do attack the shoulder it damages em

[sudden hinge]

Good minds think alike

[hybrid matrix]

[sudden hinge]

This honestly I’ve seen way too many people try and make kentro god tier

[oak tapir]

An allo or Alberto just need Tom get in front of it and decapitate it

Man the more you think the more you realize that Alberto and allo are gonna be the biggest fucking bullies of The Isle

[craggy charm]

they really are until apexes are in

[barren zephyr]

Kentro is super defensive and it would be foolish to pounce one of its shoulder spikes. but people seem to forget that kentro is rather small…..like…pachy sized.

[craggy charm]

exactly, not to mention its shoulder spike isnt as long as people think, it's not long enough to stab something thats latched onto it's hip

[barren zephyr]

You could also bait it and try to get headshots in as well

[craggy charm]

yes

[hybrid matrix]

I just used my 6 hour slowmode on this :(

[barren zephyr]

Trolled

[honest sparrow]

If actual accurate pouncing comes into play instead of socketing, if you aim right you should able to pounce a kentro, aim wrong you essentially launch yourself on a giant spike, kind of like that 1 video with trike

If socketing is still a thing tho just make it take a lot of damage

[white rune]

That'd be a one shot if you pounce at the bad place to me.

Error = death

No second chances. Use your brain.

[sudden hinge]

Guys enough with these instant death suggestions for hunting kentro it’s ridiculous and will not make for balanced gameplay @lament pecan

[hybrid matrix]

somebody suggest this for me

[swift dew]

@drowsy heron because its fun

there is nothing else to do atm

[hybrid matrix]

Hyper giga gets a split jaw so that it can swallow dinosaurs whole
however, because of its split jaw, it has a weaker biteforce than other hypers

[drowsy heron]

@swift dew kinda ruins the dino immersion for me.. If your bored play another game?

why tf would a dryo stalk and kill a stego

[hybrid matrix]

if you dont like being killed, play another game :)

[swift dew]

why tf are you dying to a dryo as a stego?

that seems like a you problem

[hybrid matrix]

juvie stego I FUCKING HOPE

[drowsy heron]

because I thought leaving would suffice. Then as I said I run out of stamina

[swift dew]

even then, juvi stego hits HARD

[drowsy heron]

I didn't think I would need to kill a herbi

[honest sparrow]

Juvi stego like 2-3 shots Dryo I think

[swift dew]

hatchling, or juvi? because juvi is the second stage and it would seem a bit odd if it took that many hits

[honest sparrow]

Hatchling, my bad

Juvi probably 2 shots if not 1 shots

[swift dew]

yeah, hatchling makes sense, but I had a juvi stego nearly 3 shot my utah the other day

[sudden hinge]

You might when diets come out

[hybrid matrix]

somebody suggest this for me

[drowsy heron]

I am playing non aggressive, I did not expect to be attacked for no reason and thought leaving would be good enough. I don't understand why this is a hard concept that maybe someone doesn't want to attack others without reason

[swift dew]

we already told you there isnt anything else to do, attacking people is fun

[hybrid matrix]

I THINK THAT GETTING ATTACKED IS A PRETTY FUCKING GOOD REASON TO ATTACK SOMETHING

[drowsy heron]

at first I'm being chased

[urban flax]

If they attacked you first, then you have a good reason to strike back

[drowsy heron]

I thought maybe they were defending a bush]

[hybrid matrix]

i get wanting to play pacifist

but thats different from this

this isnt playing pacifist
this is playing stupid

[urban flax]

If you're playing stego, the point is to kill anything that bothers you.

[drowsy heron]

defending food I understand, a dryo killing a stego for fun I don't

[hybrid matrix]

its like when a little kid breaks the TV and then complains that they cant play Fortnite anymore

[honest sparrow]

Dryo was bored

[hybrid matrix]

and brave

[honest sparrow]

And all juvis are on a Dryo’s hit list

[drowsy heron]

sorry I didn't think I should just kill them instead of leaving

[hybrid matrix]

IF THEY ATTACK YOU THEN U KILL THEM

[honest sparrow]

If they are attacking and following you, then fight back?

[hybrid matrix]

again

[hybrid matrix]

this is the same thing

[drowsy heron]

they were following but I assumed it was to chase me out of that area, I misunderstood

[hybrid matrix]

do something stupid, something bad happens, complain about it

same formula

[drowsy heron]

I still don't think ppl should kill without reason...

[honest sparrow]

Even if they are chasing you, at least be a little more aware

[sudden hinge]

I mean that’s more of personal choice in the game

[urban flax]

You can't force people to behave a certain way in that kind of game
The only thing you can do is kill them so that they stop doing stupid things

[drowsy heron]

my bad for thinking players would like to see other dinos walking by instead of an empty map...

[swift dew]

there is a reason:

entertainment

[sudden hinge]

Like I kos other carnivores for the reason of competition but not everyone even has a reason and that’s the isle

[swift dew]

I like to kos everybody because fun

[drowsy heron]

carnos need to eat and you don't wanna be eaten. That makes sense @sudden hinge

if I was killed by a carno I wouldn't complain

[sudden hinge]

well with diets you might have a reason to kill or scare off other herbies

[drowsy heron]

yes but thats not a thing yet

so I was killed unprovoked for no reason

[honest sparrow]

The Isle

[sudden hinge]

Yeah probably

That’s the isle

[drowsy heron]

okay, but I'd argue thats a bad gaming community... This isn't fuggin GTA

I stopped playing red dead for this reason

GTA players came in and killed the player culture

[sudden hinge]

Well it’s life like if you want to not die as much to bullshit I’d play on private servers

Or be less trusting

Like I am

[honest sparrow]

^

[drowsy heron]

I spose, I just don't like the shitty excuse of, game culture just bad

[sudden hinge]

Trust people you’ve played with multiple times not randoms

[swift dew]

I mean, what else are we supposed to do? dryo grows in 30 minutes, is the embodyment of speed and agility, also does too much damage for its size. its the perfect troll dino, we just go around pecking things and mudering juvis

[sudden hinge]

I play the same as herbies and carnis no trust whatsoever

I see a dryo when I’m a baby walk the other way unless I know it’s ai

[drowsy heron]

alright. I play for dino rp I spose so I expected it to be a survival game, not a trolling game

my bad

[urban flax]

There is no survival yet
People entertain themselves with what they have

[sudden hinge]

That’s why you play on private servers

[drowsy heron]

I was giving my feedback, I didn't want a barrage of I'm a bad player stop trusting ppl

[swift dew]

early acess, the game is VERY early in development, there are going to be systems that will hopefully help not make the game a deathmatch, but atm there isnt nothing else to do

[sudden hinge]

I don’t think anyone told you you were bad for being trusting

[drowsy heron]

I did get lots of comments about why didn't you just kill them instead of running away. That I was playing stupid

It was not needed...

thanks anyways, I spose

[sudden hinge]

I mean like I said private servers with rules makes things like that happen way less

[vast wolf]

spoofer got sniped.

[hybrid matrix]

spoofer?

[vast wolf]

basically an exploit or hack.

[hybrid matrix]

oh

[vast wolf]

[hybrid matrix]

i wonder which mod snope the spoofer

[vast wolf]

ive seen zod and pixy on but we will never know

[drifting radish]

Who’s trying to type thenyaw and keeps getting interrupted? Fucking hilarious lmao

[vast wolf]

hover over the emotes

(its eryops)

[barren zephyr]

Adding onto Hyena's suggestion in feedback in case they're here to discuss further, there's plenty of places to drink water safely besides the shallow river. There's no need for a tug of war mechanic atm, what is needed is the shallow river to be deeper and have shallow portions in it, that way we wouldn't have everyone gathered at only one river to drink.

On top of that it would encourage people to move around the map and learn where the shallow spots are, rather than just having an entire river be safe to drink from.

[hybrid matrix]

How about instead of removing shallow water, make it so that it's just deep enough that deinos can stay underwater, but shallow enough that they'd have a harder time lunging

[barren zephyr]

Having that stretched out across a 2 mile river would still attract just as many people and be just as much of aproblem

Shallow river as a concept is flawed and makes the game worse for both crocs and everyone else

Deep rivers with shallow portions scattered throughout is just a much better idea, at least imo

[hoary dawn]

i do agree that the shallow part of safety should be made shorter, but i do also think that not every river should be like the ones we have

[hybrid matrix]

#rapids

i want rapids

[hoary dawn]

not every water source can fit a gator the size of a bus

[barren zephyr]

Not irl but it has to in a game like this, otherwise the species as a whole is rendered entirely useless if everyone has a 2 mile long safe zone

Kinda like what the case is rn

[hybrid matrix]

or

or

hear me out

[barren zephyr]

You almost never see people drink from deep water, which means deinos are forced to live on fish and other crocs cuz they never get to ambush anything

[hybrid matrix]

there's a shallows and a deep river that connect the east to the west

[barren zephyr]

The map we have rn is not big enough to have a shallow river, anything other than a stego can easily travel to the safe spot on foot

No matter where you place it on the map people will just gather there and deinos will be left in the dust

[hoary dawn]

im hoping diets are enough of a constant push to move that players wont have the time to take a detour to a shallow water source

[hybrid matrix]

The devs rlly shouldnt have added deino this early

it shouldve come after diets

[hybrid matrix]

for this reason

ptera is fine
deino was a mistake

stego was also a mistake

[barren zephyr]

That is a fair point but it still doesn't mean that it should just be completely disconsidered and made useless just so everyone feels safe

[hybrid matrix]

ur right
it shouldnt
it should be removed and then added back in later

it doesnt fit

theres no reason for ppl to be afraid of deinos

bc of the shallows

[barren zephyr]

That would be one way to piss off 90% of the playerbase

[hybrid matrix]

diets could mean that ppl would have to cross deep rivers

[hybrid matrix]

that 90% can go play as carno again

[barren zephyr]

Deleting stuff and ignoring it until later isn't a fix

[hybrid matrix]

thats not the problem

the problem is that deino doesnt belong in our roster

[swift dew]

^^^^

adding deino this early was a mistake, they should have stuck to adding stronger creatures later down the road. stego was also a mistake

[barren zephyr]

Making shallow river deeper and forcing people to move around should be enough of a fix to justify deino being in the game

I don't get how that's such a foreign concept

[hybrid matrix]

BUT THATS NOT THE REASON

THE REASON IS THAT IT HAS NO COMPETITION

IT IS FORCED TO GO ON LAND TO FIND FOOD

THERE IS NOTHING FOR IT TO FIGHT

ITS THE ONLY SEMI-AQUATIC AND ITS FUCKING HUGE

[hoary dawn]

add spino early as well

[barren zephyr]

Fish and smaller deinos make for enough food to where it never needs to go on land and deino on deino fights happen all the time

[hybrid matrix]

thats pretty much what happened

[barren zephyr]

So I literally don't see your point

[hybrid matrix]

do u actually play this game?

deinos sit in the water

and then when food comes along they crawl on land and kill it there

they dont wait for it to drink

they dont wait for it to swim across the river that theyre in

they attack it on land

its a semi-aquatic rex

[barren zephyr]

That's a player issue not a dinosaur issue

[hybrid matrix]

NO ITS NOT

nobody would do that if something like sucho were in

deinos would hunt suchos

[barren zephyr]

The croc can do all of those things, it's just people never have a reason to let it do that

[hybrid matrix]

if ppl were forced to cross deeper rivers, then deinos would be able to get them while they cross

[hybrid matrix]

yeah because it was added in TOO EARLY

[barren zephyr]

That or force people to actually drink from deep water

And not give them a 2 mile long safe zone

[hybrid matrix]

ur missing the fucking point

the point is that deino was added too early

[barren zephyr]

No I'm not, making the shallow river deeper would fix most of these things

[hybrid matrix]

not really

actually

not at all

you dont have to cross any rivers even if theres no shallow river

[barren zephyr]

It can still work in the current roster

[hybrid matrix]

except it DOESNT WORK IN THE CURRENT ROSTER IN THE FIRST PLACE

[barren zephyr]

You don't have to force people to cross river you just have to force them to drink

Which the game doesn;t do rn

[hybrid matrix]

dude

[hoary dawn]

well i mean deino doesn't have to lunge things in the water, its very much intended to lunge things that are drinking as well

[hybrid matrix]

even if there werent any shallows

[hybrid matrix]

yes i know but its very easy to avoid being lunged while drinking

[barren zephyr]

See someone agrees

[hybrid matrix]

anyway

even if there werent any shallows

ppl could just as easily avoid getting lunged

[barren zephyr]

People don’t even use lunge. It’s literally jagrex

[hybrid matrix]

u just get a sip here, move, sip, move, ssip

that simple

[hoary dawn]

i dont think playing deino is supposed to be easy either

[hybrid matrix]

and yet it rlly is

[barren zephyr]

Yeah but that would be a lot better than just being 100% safe all the time

[hybrid matrix]

u just get ur possy and go on land

[hybrid matrix]

u still dont get it

deino is an apex

i dont mean bc its the strongest thing in the game rn

[barren zephyr]

Pretty sure it’s a pseudo apex but yeah

[hybrid matrix]

its literally an apex

so is stego

[barren zephyr]

It's not supposed to be, it's supposed to be exclusively a mid tier killer

[hoary dawn]

it is an apex

[hybrid matrix]

it competes with spino

[barren zephyr]

It can only drag things 4 tons and under

[hybrid matrix]

it still has the strongest bite in the current game

[barren zephyr]

It can only kill stegos rn because it's collision box is broken and it can bite its head through it's ass

It's not supposed to fight big things, only ambush mid tiers

Deino and stego are meant to be pseudos. But with the current roster they may as well be apexes.

[hybrid matrix]

YET IT DOES

IT ATTACKS STEGOS

U LITERALLY JUST PROVED URSELF WRONG

[barren zephyr]

Yes but people don’t care to lay like that

[hybrid matrix]

wut u r saying is that its able to attack pseudo apexes and win

[barren zephyr]

No, just because it can do something rn doesn;t mean t's supposed to do it

Bird can kill other birds, that doesn;t mean that;s it purpose

[hybrid matrix]

the problem is that it CAN do it, not that it shouldnt

[hoary dawn]

it does, but it shouldn't, karenboy is suggesting ways to get rid of these problems, not denying their existence

[hybrid matrix]

except theres a much easier way to get rid of all of these problems

just remove deino as a playable

same for stego

[barren zephyr]

You're literally delusional

[hybrid matrix]

replace the two with smaller things that are more fit for our roster

[barren zephyr]

Yeah idk why they thought adding them so early was good. I would of added maia and bary

Remove a playable that they worked 5 months on adding

[hybrid matrix]

im not saying delete the code
im saying lock it

[vale pawn]

[barren zephyr]

Or just fix the problems that deino and stego have rn

[hybrid matrix]

make it so that ppl cant play as deinos

[hoary dawn]

i agree, that would be easier and probably more beneficial for the game as a whole. but i very much doubt that's gonna happen

[honest sparrow]

people want their big gator and I doubt its gonna change

[hybrid matrix]

or just let those problems fix themselves by locking them off and adding them in when they can actually function properly

[barren zephyr]

Honestly best thing to really do is just nerf deino and stego so that deino can’t kill stuff by just going on land and biting

Deino can work perfectly fine with the current roster if they address the issue of everyone gathering in one spot where they're compeltely safe from deinos

[hybrid matrix]

that issue is caused by 90% of every servers' players being deinos

[barren zephyr]

If they just remove them and add them later the problems aren't gonna fix themselves

[hybrid matrix]

but they are

and let me explain why

[barren zephyr]

Deino doesn’t have any competition

[hybrid matrix]

or you can just intterupt me

[honest sparrow]

deino suffers from lack of competition

[barren zephyr]

Or predators or anything that’s a actual threat but itself

[barren zephyr]

Its competition is itself, it's literally being made into a cannibal next update

[hybrid matrix]

deinos dont kill each other that often

they go on land and kill everything else

[hoary dawn]

I always kill my own

[honest sparrow]

they're either all buddy buddy or they merc every other deino on sight

there is no in between

[barren zephyr]

Literally everything can outrun it

[barren zephyr]

That’s not the point. The point is there is nothing like allo or sucho, acro, theri or anything mid-pseudo that can deal with them but stego

Except for juvis

[hybrid matrix]

i was once on a server where there were about 20 deinos on top of each other

brb

[barren zephyr]

Doesn’t stop players from wanting to fight them as fricken carnos

[hybrid matrix]

just got a package delivered

[barren zephyr]

That's a player problem, not a deino problem

If the game hard enforced people to play a certain creature a certain way we wouldn't be having this conversation

[barren zephyr]

It’s a game problem for carno is supposed to hunt small stuff, but there is little to no small stuff to hunt. So devs thought let’s just buff it’s bite and now it’s a allo

Because there is nothing small for carno to kill for it’s diets besides dryo and hypsi (who are never played) it’s forced to fight bigger stuff

If we go by this logic half the roster in Evrima shouldn;t exist

[barren zephyr]

Think about it like this.

[barren zephyr]

It can still fight Utahs very efficiently, which it's supposed to do

[hybrid matrix]

So devs thought let’s just buff it’s bite and now it’s a allo
Lightning McFuckyou

[barren zephyr]

Is this a compliment or a complaint?

[hybrid matrix]

its a joke

carno is a very fast allo

[barren zephyr]

Ok lol

[hybrid matrix]

instead of lightning mcqueen

lightning mcfuckyou

[barren zephyr]

Carno could use a bite nerf and a bite speed nerf

[hoary dawn]

the joke has been explained

[barren zephyr]

You took a small game hunter who hunts stuff like herrera, Gali, Utah and you get rid of the small stuff.

Aka there not in yet

[hybrid matrix]

this is why they shouldve added small things first

[barren zephyr]

So then you throw in deino who overthrows the ecosystem

Nothing for carno to kill that’s small but Utah. Then all the Utah’s die out

[hybrid matrix]

smallest to largest dinos

[barren zephyr]

Otherwise they go for guess what DEINO AND STEGO

[barren zephyr]

It doesn;t overthrow anything, it only poses a threat to you in the water

Which they shouldn’t

[hybrid matrix]

no it doesnt
its a threat everywhere

[barren zephyr]

Which even that is taken out because you can just go to shallow river

[barren zephyr]

That’s literally the opposite of what I said

[barren zephyr]

Saying it in all caps doesn't make it true

[hybrid matrix]

no but it does mean that im yelling at you

[barren zephyr]

It’s not that they can just avoid deino. It’s that carno has to fight deino

Anything with a quarter of a brain will just run away from a deino on land, or kill it if it's a stego

[hybrid matrix]

lemme rewrite it

[barren zephyr]

Nothing has to fight deino

Carnos can hunt utahs, Utahs can hunt pretty much everything

[barren zephyr]

Ok. Then what will carno kill besides Utah which is decently challenging by yourself

Deinos can just be left alone

And they'll let you alone whenever you;re not close to the water

[hybrid matrix]

yeah but they do
oh wait, thats the same problem with deino and stego
its not supposed to hunt stegos, but it does and it can

[barren zephyr]

But if you just read what I said it can’t be

[hybrid matrix]

deinos are a lot like liam neesom
they will hunt you, they will find you, and they will, kill you

[barren zephyr]

Adding deino unbalanced the ecosystem that was started

[barren zephyr]

It's literally the slowest thing in the game

[hybrid matrix]

doesnt mean it wont follow you to the ends of the earth

[barren zephyr]

It's like you're mad at a cripple for crawling towards you

It can;t do shit to you if you just leave it alone

Your literally going away from what I’ve stated

[hybrid matrix]

the difference is, deinos arent supposed to follow you, yet they can and they do

[barren zephyr]

Anything can do that as any playable

[hybrid matrix]

doesnt mean that they should

deinos arent supposed to do that

oh wait

[barren zephyr]

They shouldn't, but anybody can if they choose to

[hybrid matrix]

thats wut u said about deinos hunting stegos, remember?

[hybrid matrix]

and thats unbalanced when we're talking about an 8 ton alligator

[barren zephyr]

Does that mean they should remove carno because it can try to hunt stegos, even if it's not supposed to?

[hybrid matrix]

stego shouldnt be in in the first place

carno shouldnt be removed because it isnt the problem

[barren zephyr]

Stego is another dino that literally can;t do shit to you if you don't run up to it

[hybrid matrix]

[barren zephyr]

You're complaining about issues that don't exist

[barren zephyr]

Yes your correct. But because there is such a limited roster. By nature most people will go to whatever is strongest

[hybrid matrix]

[barren zephyr]

Meaning servers are filled with stegos and deinos meaning there the most common food source

[hybrid matrix]

im trying to help you understand these issues

[barren zephyr]

The real issue is that crocs can't hunt the way they're supposed to

So they resort to other things

[hybrid matrix]

no no no
thats not the issue
the issue is that they dont WANT to

[barren zephyr]

They literally can

[barren zephyr]

No, you're trying to make fun of me for not agreeing with you

I've been polite this entire time but you're being an ass about it

[hybrid matrix]

when have i made fun of u?

[barren zephyr]

We’re literally just correcting your argument

You don't need caps or emojis to explain your point

[hybrid matrix]

im not being an ass im just tired of going in circles about this

[hybrid matrix]

apparently i do
because otherwise you wouldn't've understood that the best solution is to remove deino and stego

[barren zephyr]

We have told you multiple counter arguments and you ignore seemingly a lot of them

[hybrid matrix]

and actually

you STILL dont understand

[barren zephyr]

My point this entire time has been that deinos have a very specific way of hunting that is impossible rn due to the shallow river being a safe place to drink

[hybrid matrix]

yes we know

[barren zephyr]

And you completely ignore that by just saying that deino shouldn't be in in the first place

Which is nonfix

[hybrid matrix]

it is a fix to a whole other problem

[barren zephyr]

That’s correct. But you haven’t gotten to that point like at all

[hybrid matrix]

the problem isnt that deinos cant hunt the way they should

[barren zephyr]

It was literally what I opened up with

[barren zephyr]

Yes it kinda is

[hybrid matrix]

its that they dont have to hunt that way

[barren zephyr]

Because if they did they wouldn;t have to fight stegos all the time

[hybrid matrix]

they would still fight stegos

karenboy can i just say something

stop typing

[barren zephyr]

Get rid of shallows then what? They’ll still go on land

[barren zephyr]

And if the game was actually balanced the way it's supposed to be they'd be encouraged not to

[hybrid matrix]

im tired of getting interrupted

[barren zephyr]

But they wouldn't have to

Ok just let derp talk

[hybrid matrix]

even if there were no shallows, the ppl who play deino, are not patient enough to hunt correctly
they would still actively search for things on land and kill them there, they wouldnt ambush

the problem is that deino doesnt have any reason to stay in the water

[barren zephyr]

That can be easily fixed with stat changes

You could literally make half of the map water and they’ll just go on land

[hybrid matrix]

no it cant

[barren zephyr]

Just make its thirst drain faster, give it less stam on land

[hybrid matrix]

an adult deino can run for roughly 10 seconds

[barren zephyr]

It’s already like that, it has shit stam and it’s water drains fast

[hybrid matrix]

how much less stamina could they have

[barren zephyr]

I stil don't undrestand how deinos on land is that big of a problem, everything can just run away from you, and 99% of deinos players will just give up the chase because they know it's pointless

But I guess your point is that because that 1% exists the whole thing should be removed

[hybrid matrix]

ok lemme put it this way

the whole reason nobody drinks at deep rivers is because of deino

and even then

everyone plays at center anyway

so ppl still drink there

its very easy to avoid getting snatched no matter what

like i said

sip, move, sip, move, etc

[barren zephyr]

Yes but not everybody will do that, and that still doesn't mean that they'll be 100% safe all the time

Whereas at shallow river they are

[hybrid matrix]

but the point is that the majority are still at center because there are land things there

[barren zephyr]

Because there could always be a croc coming from the opposite way even if you just sip and move

[hybrid matrix]

YEAH THATS A GOOD THING

[barren zephyr]

That's why diets are coming in

[hybrid matrix]

it means that deino is able to play correctly

[barren zephyr]

Which it phisically can;t do rn because of shallow river

[hybrid matrix]

actually it can physically do that

[barren zephyr]

What’s gonna change when you remove shallows

[barren zephyr]

People are gonna be forced to actually drino from places where deinos can ambush

[hybrid matrix]

ppl will just find ways to avoid being lunged

[barren zephyr]

No they’ll just go back to the land

[hybrid matrix]

doesnt mean that they'll actually get lunged though

[barren zephyr]

Deino will still go on land

They only go to shallows cause they know where people will go

Or, people would be forced to memorize the shallow spots, which there would be less of them, encouraging people to learn the ma[

[hybrid matrix]

ppl arent gonna learn the map

they already learned it

theyre gonna gather in center and fight each other

[barren zephyr]

But it would reward people that do greatly

[hybrid matrix]

not really

theres no real reward

[barren zephyr]

You know what we do need. Lakes

[barren zephyr]

That's useless since it changes every update

[hybrid matrix]

deinos can still lunge u and drag u into deeper water

[hybrid matrix]

it changed in update 3

[barren zephyr]

And it's gonna change in update 4

[hybrid matrix]

there were no changes before update 3

they'll learn the map very fast dude

and then they'll know exactly how to get to center every time

[barren zephyr]

What? The one waterfall place with the pond and beaches

[hybrid matrix]

are redwoods still coming in update 4? idr

lemme check

[swift dew]

no

[barren zephyr]

People always being at center is a whole nother problem that the devs hope will be fixed with diets

[barren zephyr]

Don’t think so

[hybrid matrix]

yeah they arent

[barren zephyr]

Which I don't believe will happen entirely, but it will help a little

[hybrid matrix]

karenboy

[barren zephyr]

Perks will do as well

[hybrid matrix]

the ecosystem shouldnt change for deino

[barren zephyr]

Not as much as diets

[barren zephyr]

No, it should change for everybody

[hybrid matrix]

no
everything should adapt to the ecosystem
not the other way around

this game is supposed to be balanced

but its not

[barren zephyr]

Carnos would have a lot to earn from people moving to the plains, deinos will have a lot to earn from people moving to the swamps etc

[hybrid matrix]

it can be balanced (if they just get rid of deino and stego)

[barren zephyr]

Or just nerf them till bigger stuff is in

[hybrid matrix]

or just not have them at all bc then it creates a big uproar that they are super weak so that the game is balanced

[barren zephyr]

Deino and Stego are already 2 sitting ducks that can't do anything to you if you stay away from them

[hybrid matrix]

but ppl dont stay away from them

they attack them

[barren zephyr]

Well not having them now would cause an outroar and you and I both know they won’t remove them temporarily

[barren zephyr]

And that's entirely their problem

[odd sedge]

Actually, we need shallows and white waters where Deino won't thrive for waders like Sucho

[barren zephyr]

What happened to "the ecosystem shouldn't change for one people?"

[hybrid matrix]

u want the map to change for a single playable

[barren zephyr]

It’s not there fault when carnos have nothing to eat and Utah’s have nothing to kill cause everything rn is literally it’s counter

[hybrid matrix]

and it wouldnt change for 1 playable

itd change for a balanced roster

the fact is that deino doesnt belong
neither does stego
thats it

[barren zephyr]

Utah’s will fight stuff like maia allo pachy, and other timid tiered stuff. Stego tenanto and carno are meant to counter Utah’s

[barren zephyr]

You just have to watch Scope's videos to know that Utahs can kill stuff no peoblem, and Carno is supposed to be a small game hunter which it is, it mostly hunts juvis and utahs

[hybrid matrix]

lmfao

[barren zephyr]

Carno isn’t a small game hunter cause there is no small game

[hybrid matrix]

utah doesnt have many problems rn

[barren zephyr]

I literally just listed the small game to you

[hybrid matrix]

carnos dont hunt juvies

they get no food from small game bc diets arent in yet

they hunt stegos and deinos quite effectively

is that small game?

[barren zephyr]

I main Carno and live entirely off Utahs, scavenging and juvi dinos

And it feels like the way the dino is supposed to be played

[vast wolf]

the only thing utah struggles with is deinos that know what their doing or really good tenos

[barren zephyr]

The exact same with Deino

When I play it I just eat my own kind and ambush the few people that come to drink, and it feels exactly like it should

[vast wolf]

utahs can just escape or kill everything else

[hybrid matrix]

yeah, you do
doesnt mean others do too

[barren zephyr]

Problem is a play the correct way a Carno should be played, just because others don't that doesn't mean that the problem is with the roster or with the dino itself

It's with the dumbass players

Same with dinos on land

[hybrid matrix]

dude

[vast wolf]

carno can kill everything except stego with ease

[hybrid matrix]

they dont play correctly bc they dont have to

[barren zephyr]

Deino is not the prblem and it shouldn't be judged by the stupid shit that its players do

[vast wolf]

also not everyone has to play the same

[hybrid matrix]

u urself said that ppl should be forced to drink from deeper waters

[barren zephyr]

Then the devs should just force them to have to instead of removing the creature as a whole

[hybrid matrix]

i never said remove carno
im saying carnos dont play correctly bc they dont have to
they hunt stegos and deinos bc they can

[barren zephyr]

You know how we fix it. Make deino shit on land like it’s supposed to by making its turn radius and alt attack turn slower

[vast wolf]

the roster is too small for carno to hunt exclusively small game and some players like to test their luck by hunting things they normally wouldent.

[barren zephyr]

Alt attack should just cost stamina and thirst drain should be faster

[barren zephyr]

Exactly

That's it

[vast wolf]

deino is an alligator. it already turns slow af. just make alt bite cost stam.

[barren zephyr]

True

[hybrid matrix]

its still not a balanced creature

[vast wolf]

thirst drain is super fast.

[hybrid matrix]

no matter what, theres gonna be angry ppl

[vast wolf]

deino is not balanced as the only things that can kill it if it has a brain are other deinos

[barren zephyr]

It is when it's played correctly, now they just have to force evryone to play it correctly, removing it wouldn;t fix it

[hybrid matrix]

whether or not deino is nerfed or removed, ppl are gonna get mad

[hybrid matrix]

you cant play it incorrectly if you cant play it at all

[vast wolf]

there is also no "correct" way to play any animal in the game.

[hybrid matrix]

seriously tho

deino is unbalanced

[barren zephyr]

But there should be, that's why every creature has concept art, because the devs have a vision for what each creature is meant to do

[hybrid matrix]

so its ok for deinos to fight things on land?

[vast wolf]

just make its alt bite cost stam and let things struggle out of its grab.

[hybrid matrix]

how do you not get this

deino and stego dont fit with the rest of the roster

[vast wolf]

if your on land and a pack of utahs tries to attack you you should be able to fend them off decently as you take much longer to grow.

[hybrid matrix]

NO YOU ABSOLUTELY SHOULD NOT

[vast wolf]

cant force people to play one way and have a fin game.

[barren zephyr]

They would fit in witth a few tweaks

[vast wolf]

haha, funny that you think an 8 ton alligator should die to a pack of microwolves.

[hybrid matrix]

it should get punished for trying to fight on land

[vast wolf]

it does, its movment is fairly restricted, its stamina is trash and its water depletes super fast.

[hybrid matrix]

it doesnt

deinos can fight on land when they shouldnt be able to

[vast wolf]

deino has things built into its kit that limit its land capabilities but dont make it a fucking puddle.

[barren zephyr]

Deino alt bite should just cost stamina and its collision box needs to be fixed so it can't bite a stego's head through its ass

[vast wolf]

just because deino is on land does not mean it should be a free kill.

[barren zephyr]

That sould solve the land croc peoblem

[vast wolf]

deinos attacks are super wonky. if they get fixed its fine

[hybrid matrix]

do you understand why its not good that it can function on land

it can survive just as well (if not better) on land as it can in water

[vast wolf]

grabbed or pinned animals should be able to drain the stamina in the same way that bucking works. deinos alt bite should drain stamina. deinos hitbox on its bite needs to be fixed.

[hybrid matrix]

im not disagreeing about this

i completely agree that that should be the way it works

[muted fog]

deino is not balanced as the only things that can kill it if it has a brain are other deinos
@vast wolf

Deino is balanced, it's supposed to be a pseudo apex. At most the stam drain on its alt bite will suffice.

It's supposed to beat anything rn.

[vast wolf]

deino should be able to function on land as its so much larger than everything thats playable except stego.

[hybrid matrix]

my point is that deino doesnt make sense

[hybrid matrix]

its not supposed to kill everything

[muted fog]

Deino does make sense, players dont. Deal with it.

[hybrid matrix]

if it were supposed to then it'd be able to drag stegos

[cosmic trellis]

it probably shouldnt even exist rn

[hybrid matrix]

ok lemme compare the roster to u

[vast wolf]

you ever seen an 8 foot nile crocodile fend off 4-5 lions? they do because the lons dont want to take a bite.

[muted fog]

Deino is supposed to kill everything in the current game, with exception to a good stego.

IT CANT EVEN ONESHOT UTAH

[vast wolf]

deino is not even meant to kill stego period once its not grabable.

[cosmic trellis]

their not wrong but it's the way they kill

[vast wolf]

i mean it can.

[muted fog]

deino can alt bite the head of stego while stego attacks deimos tail

[vast wolf]

lunge it and drown it or get a head shot.

[hybrid matrix]

we have a 20 kg hypsi
we have a 90 kg ptera
we have a 100-200 kg dryo
we have a 500 kg raptor
we have a 1-2 ton teno
we have a 2 ton carno
we have a 6 ton stego
and we have an 8 ton deino

nothing seems off about that?

im probably wrong about teno's weight

[vast wolf]

that was due to a hitbox change and it was stupid. should really only have affected stegos tail.

teno is 1600 kg and carno is 1800

[swift dew]

teno is 1.6 tons, and iirc stego was 5

[hybrid matrix]

stego is 6

[muted fog]

Deino is balanced m8, you're basically saying rex isnt balanced because it would oneshot utah.

If your arguement is "deino shouldnt have been released yet" then sure, perhaps, but people wanted it.

[vast wolf]

stego was added because they wanted to give us another playable for update 2
deino is a testbed for aquatic movment just as utah was for bipeds and teno was for quadropeds.

[cosmic trellis]

so deino = rex

read that again

[muted fog]

Irl yes, not ingame

[swift dew]

alot of people want rex but we dont have that yet

[hybrid matrix]

it jumps from 2 tons to 6 tons
but thats fine
👍

[vast wolf]

thats because rex is not a testbed for an entire subclass of animals.

[muted fog]

it jumps from 2 tons to 6 tons
but thats fine
👍
@hybrid matrix

Yes, it is fine.

[vast wolf]

deino is the testbed for aquatic locomotion.

[hybrid matrix]

i understand wanting to use deino as a testbed, but they shouldnt have actually released it yet

afk

gotta feed my cats

[fallen path]

What do you guys think of Seagul AI?

[muted fog]

Well they did, something had to be able to take out stego, and deino vs s
stego is pretty balanced

[vast wolf]

deino is probably the most hyped animal after strains, you really think they wouldent release it.

[hybrid matrix]

STEGO SHOULDNT HAVE BEEN ADDED EITHER

[light obsidian]

oh boy

[muted fog]

Troodon is the most hyped ;)

[vast wolf]

ambient as nothing except quetz would eat it.

[vale pawn]

like the ones on thenyaw

[vast wolf]

i outwardly despise troodon.

[muted fog]

Bruh

[vast wolf]

also hello luke.

you have joined whatever this is.

[cosmic trellis]

i like troodon but that's just me

[muted fog]

Its calls are crazy

[vast wolf]

i dont like troodon because its fake and took a spot that velo could have been dropped into.

[muted fog]

Troodon>velo

[gritty helm]

I can agree that Stego and Deino were put it wayyyyy too early
but
they generate some level of hype which also can't be denied

[vast wolf]

same reason i hate hypsi and will never like the fact that it was added.

[muted fog]

If all people can play are small tiers they'll get bored

Yeah hypsi is meh for me.

[vast wolf]

hypsi is legit just a revamped oro with forced mechanics.

[cosmic trellis]

anyone else think sucho shouldve taken deinos place

[vast wolf]

troodon is just slim velo with venom.

[muted fog]

Looks good

[vast wolf]

sucho wouldent do shit to stego and wouldent be nearly as scarry.

[cosmic trellis]

you've got a point

[muted fog]

I think deino should've been before sucho since sucho will be keeping deinos in check right?

[vast wolf]

should they have removed sucho? no. should they have replaced deino with it? no.

[muted fog]

Nah, I wish they would've added both

But its understandable what they did.

[cosmic trellis]

i was just thinking about the fact that people keep going on land and sucho is probably more terrestrial than a deino is so it'd make slightly more sense

[muted fog]

Yeah but deino isnt good on land, so long as you have atleast 2 in your group deino is ez

[vast wolf]

sucho was intended to come in with deino and ptera but it was taken off because it was deemed "too large" by the community and devs despite being easy population control for deino and being perfect to add with fish.

[muted fog]

Lol

[vast wolf]

deinos are pretty easy to scare off if they are on land.

[cosmic trellis]

sucho is bigger than deino? never would have thought

[vast wolf]

eventually they will have to go back anyway because of water.

[muted fog]

They'll come up to you like they're badasses but run back to the water when it counts

[vast wolf]

it was mostly because sucho is not tied directly to the water unlike deino.

[cosmic trellis]

ah that makes more sense

[vast wolf]

still want sucho to come in around the same time as the mid tiers.

[muted fog]

Bary>sucho

[vast wolf]

bary didnt have a concept at the time.

[muted fog]

I thought both didnt.

[cosmic trellis]

bary does look nice tho lol

[muted fog]

Heavy Clawed boi

[vast wolf]

we should get bary, austro and maybe minmi as a second semi aquatic addition update in the future. minmi could also come with burrowing.

sucho has had a model that was rigged since 2019.

sucho got redone and bary had to get redone.

[muted fog]

Yeah, but arent they retouching models and concepts

[vast wolf]

not all of them.

[muted fog]

Oh

[hybrid matrix]

back

[vast wolf]

most models that were made by jake (baardo) are staying where as the vlad models of old are being redone.

[muted fog]

Ah

[vast wolf]

then also things like spino and giga that were getting touchups.

i still hate our spino though.

[muted fog]

I like it, even though I like the concept art of it more.

The concept arts tend to look abit better than some models, like gigas

[vast wolf]

sail is too small, skin is boring and its face looks like a generic theropod.

[cosmic trellis]

just wished the giga didn't look like just as much of a meatball as the legacy rex

[muted fog]

Sail I agree on

[vast wolf]

gigas tail armor is the only thing i dont like.

[muted fog]

Snout could be abit longer

[vast wolf]

spinos concept was pretty much perfect.

[cosmic trellis]

oh the concept

i was in love with that concept

[vast wolf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664914260648001555/665228011141857280/SpinoWalk.mp4

that head looks generic

it litterally has a sub rex head in its head

if you cut off the tip of the snout it looks like a sub rex

[muted fog]

Cursed, literally put my thumb over its snout 😂

[oak tapir]

Skin system will fix the skin problem

@drowsy heron Ever seen the vid of a Zebra chasing a cheetah like it wants to eat its face off?

[hoary dawn]

the blue is because of gamma

[drowsy heron]

@oak tapir yes?

[vast wolf]

its not the colors that i dont like its the patern.

[icy plover]

Devs confirmed there will be multiple patterns to choose from per dino. Also I think they said they were looking at having slight model variations available too, but I think that depends on if those cooperate while making them lol

[oak tapir]

You will be able to change patterns

[vast wolf]

unless theres one that puts the male color on the sail i dont think ill like them.

[hoary dawn]

with the amount of outcry about the spino model at this point i'd be surprised if it wasn't changed at least a little

[barren zephyr]

Looks like a burnt chimichanga

[safe galleon]

<@&401466542140817419> #general-feedback

[severe idol]

Nah.

It's all good, baby.

[safe galleon]

still there

[barren zephyr]

Well that happened I guess.

[safe galleon]

I retract me statement

[hoary dawn]

what was

[white rune]

better guy

[drifting radish]

muchhhhh better. I'd like to see the tail be more exaggerated, but otherwise its chefs kiss

[hoary dawn]

QuirO made this one a while ago

[hoary dawn]

iirc they said they were gonna shut down legacy or at least make evrima the default branch once it had everything legacy did, tho idk if it was a concrete plan or if its changed

[barren zephyr]

Pretty sure they said legacy would be gone once the majority of the playerbase comes to evrima which will probably be around update 5-6 maybe a bit later

[hoary dawn]

possibly

[barren zephyr]

they would have no reason to keep legacy if everyone moved so

[hoary dawn]

the only things legacy has on evrima rn gameplay wise is bone break, nesting, skin customization, an extra map, and the larger roster

and next couple updates are those things

so

i'd assume not too long until legacy goes the way of the pue

[drifting radish]

until its not a laggy melting pot of rubberbanding that needs fixing between every update, im sticking mostly to legacy for the time being.

[barren zephyr]

The lag isn’t nearly as bad as it used to be thankfully, due to the server wipes

still evrima can get pretty stale, especially if you’re playing solo

[drifting radish]

yup. my fav part was the pvp and reading through the tea in global chat (since im practically by myself 90%) of the time anyways. neither of those are really possible nowadays lol. they had global, dunno why they removed it.

[hoary dawn]

cuz it detracts from the survival gamemode

[barren zephyr]

I think global was pretty unnecessary, at least for officials. It’s breaks the immersion of the game itself. However I think it should be optional on unofficial servers. Personally. I don’t mind it gone. but I can see why others want it back.

[hoary dawn]

only way i would like for it to return is with sandbox servers

makes much more sense for that

[barren zephyr]

Ioft again

Let’s hope that doesn’t uh.

[drifting radish]

i think it was fine for it even to be a survival game lol. dont mind it not being on officials, w/e but it'd be nice to have the option available for privately owned servers if they'd like it or not.

[digital plank]

There aren't really other safe places plus there shouldn't really be safe places to drink. I just wanted to have deinos just not 1 shot anything if they are "stealthy enough". Also having small portions of shallow water doesn't change the problem at all. (btw are you a deino main? just curious) (also sorry for the late response I was doing something)

[paper oriole]

What would Feilo do besides be a midget ptera

[honest sparrow]

Ptera clone suggestion #360

[feral solstice]

Don’t worry we’re on suggestion 360/1284938479 for ptera clones

[paper oriole]

Its half the size as tupan and only a bit over a third the size of ptera lol

A utah could sneeze on it and it would die

[barren zephyr]

and stegos? are you actually complaining that only large tier animals can kill other large tier animals?

[paper oriole]

Stego can get soloed by a utah though, deino can just run into its safespace for immunity from any land animal

Deino fights well on land and has a safespace from 90% of the roster in the water. Poor balance

[hoary dawn]

it would have to be a monumentally stupid stego player to be soloed by a utah

[barren zephyr]

so basically, Evrima Release original 1 call system? (just slightly more complex)

[urban flax]

I'm not sure if I like the "reveal your name to every member of your species" part, but the fading idea is good

It's much more intuitive than what we currently have

[dapper terrace]

Pretty much yeah

[dapper terrace]

I don't think the ability should come without risks

Everyone who played in the early days knew the struggle of juggling when and how to communicate to group members (typing was out of the question, because in those days there was only global chat).

I believe the risk assessment was a strength of the broadcasting system, and players needing to make calculated decisions about how they reveal themselves.

For herbis, this was super important. Herd members would broadcast to attract juvis and other wandering herbis to the herd. A kind of beacon that said "look, I'm in the herd, the herd is here!". It would give a much better target to run towards, outside of the vocal cue.

On the flip side, Utahs would be tracking the sound, trying to find the herd as it moved.

Young tenos would make the mistake of broadcasting back, as if to say "look here I am, someone please come find me." And it would be a death sentence, as Utahs would hang around the herds picking off members who strayed from the main group

I miss all the calling :(

My mates and I had all the vocal cues down to a fine art. We'd know what calls were coming from Middle Swamp, and which were at Mossy. We could make good guesses about what parts of the ring road the Utahs were traveling on based on their calls. It made for very interesting gameplay, hunting people down over long distances.

Nowadays you only hear Deinos and Stegos, who can afford to call without much risk as the "Apexes" of the current roster

[urban flax]

That's true

[summer barn]

is the pachy out?

[urban flax]

Not yet

[summer barn]

k

[wanton hull]

@fallow spoke When diets come around there wont be enough resources keep a full pack at max strength. So small groups will probably be more popular because then it’s easier to fill your diets and stay at max strength.

[fallow spoke]

hopefully 🤞

[pulsar lake]

As one of the goal is to limit herbivore mix packing, I don't know if an inter specie chat would be appropriated. It could be interesting but people should act and show what there is around them not always by typing in the chat. The calls can be used like that or you could try to use body language as well.

There are some other ways to communicate in game while not using the chat, which are still understandable.

Bug reports are not going into #general-feedback.
If you want it to be noticed then it goes into #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞 @lament pecan.

[wicked furnace]

@thorny lynx Do you mean the colours of Freds Herrera pattern or the pattern itself?

[thorny lynx]

Pattern

[wicked furnace]

Because if you mean the colours i think it looks way to similiar to WWD's utah

ah

i see

[swift dew]

both

[thorny lynx]

I was using colors as an example

Supposedly we will receive different patterns in the customization update

[wicked furnace]

That would be cool

So for herrera if your idea goes through it would be, spotted (original) striped (freds) and, ???

[sudden hinge]

@fallen path please explain why carno needs stam boost?

[fallen path]

Because its kinda stupid to get "tired" after running for only 30 seconds

I dont know the exact amount of time you have when sprinting but its just not enough

[odd sedge]

Carno is the fastest animal in the game, having it make run long too will make it unbalanced

[pulsar lake]

I want update 2 Carno again, ngl

it was so enjoyable

and hard at the same time

always looking for a prey

and nuking smalls as it should do

but now it has been nerfed and isn't great to hunt smaller animals

though it has a fun matchup with Tenonto

[sudden hinge]

Ew update 2 carno was fast and could literally endurance hunt

[pulsar lake]

but you were

[sudden hinge]

Carno is a small game hunter that’s suppose to kill its prey fast

[pulsar lake]

hungry

yeah and now it isn't great at it anymore

[sudden hinge]

It doesn’t need more stam it’s fine as is

[pulsar lake]

stam wise I think it is

but a better acceleration is definitely needed

[sudden hinge]

No it’s stam is fine and it doesn’t need any buffs

[pulsar lake]

the alt attack should also deal tons of damage as how slow it is

like

[sudden hinge]

Play the animal as intended and you won’t run into problems

[pulsar lake]

be two times slower than normal attack
the attack looks huge
dealing as much damages

oh if you try small game, you highly risk to starve

hunting Tenonto is more worth for now.

[thin ether]

Deino alt bite should do more damage

I want to 1 shot stego

[pulsar lake]

[sudden hinge]

That’s how you sound bro

[pulsar lake]

I mean

no?

[sudden hinge]

Literally carno is fine it’s op atm due to pack size

Like I said if you play carno correctly you are completely fine

[pulsar lake]

Like, it could easily do 400 damages so it is actually worth to use that. Btw if you use it against Tenonto it has the time to CC you or against a Stego to die so it is only useful against small going for you.

I mean, packs are done because it is better at hunting larger game than small game now.

[sudden hinge]

Carno doesn’t need any buffs it’s group size should be reduced honestly as well

[pulsar lake]

Isn't it 4?

[sudden hinge]

It’s 5 which is a ridiculous amount of carnos

[pulsar lake]

Like, to solve that make it a better actual small hunter and need more food.

[sudden hinge]

It works fine as a small game hunter

[pulsar lake]

Like, actually need a Utah to be full and be good at hunting it.

[sudden hinge]

Like I literally subside off eating small game as carno

[pulsar lake]

It is decent but not excellent, like smalls do not fear it.

I don't fear Carnos as Dryo, Utah and such.

[sudden hinge]

Sub tenos juvi stegos dryos hypsi and Utah baby deinos all fall on prey spectrum

It’s easy to hunt any of those as carno

Carno literally one shots dryo

[pulsar lake]

How large are those smalls and how long are you full?

[sudden hinge]

Full enough a sub teno or large juvi stego damn near fills you up

[pulsar lake]

For long?

And can you eat in them again?

[sudden hinge]

Yes usually

[molten tulip]

Carnos stam is fine, it makes fights a nice balance where if youre smart about it you won't ever run out of stam, but if you play way too cocky or don't plan anything you get low

[pulsar lake]

Like, could another Carno feed into this with you and both be in a decent state of food?

[sudden hinge]

Probably not but I play carno solo

Like I don’t play to feed other carnos

[pulsar lake]

Like, to me, Carno should eat a lot and be barely full and finish a whole Utah corpse. And then going quickly to hunt again in the next 20 minutes (60% to me). In order to be 0% food you could need a hour only, or even just 50 minutes as you're a fast animal.
Then you're damn efficient to hunt the small guy, eat it again and then be fine. That would be the ideal for Carno as then taking on too large animals wouldn't even be worth as you might starve during the fight.

[sudden hinge]

That’s how carno is really the food drain balances pretty well for it

[molten tulip]

^

[sudden hinge]

Like carno is probably one of the most balanced right now aside from its group limit and alt bite which I agree isn’t the best but I don’t use it for that reason and hunt just fine

[sonic mural]

Is carno group limit really 5??? I thought it was 3

[keen reef]

It was but then they said "megapacking good"

[hoary dawn]

group limits need changing in general

[valid elk]

Okay, tell me whatcha think of my...thoughts?

[compact hare]

Makes sense

might be necessary for the animators maybe

[pulsar lake]

Replace Velo with Deinonychus

add this kind of pounce to it

make it an arboreal animal with small distance glide

[honest sparrow]

the old nychus suggestion was nice

[pulsar lake]

[vale pawn]

[pulsar lake]

yes

Slouping's and Frumpkin's

I kinda dig the idea with them

but god

I wish something like that could also be in the game

arboreal roster kinda

[honest sparrow]

but personally I don't think we should scrap velo for what is essentially gliding herra

[pulsar lake]

there is Hypsi, in the future Herrera. Then why not Nychus and Tupandactylus as a giant fruit bat?

[honest sparrow]

tupa I agree with

[barren zephyr]

Herrera is just a bigger velo

[honest sparrow]

and back when herra had no confirmed niche I would have no problems

[vale pawn]

utah is just bigger herrera

[barren zephyr]

Allo is just bigger utah

[pulsar lake]

Before getting banned, I did a monitor niche Herrera suggestion

it has been pretty much liked

[vale pawn]

brachi is just bigger everything

[pulsar lake]

but it's been a year

[barren zephyr]

[pulsar lake]

Brachi could be unique and playable tbh

Just

put ARK addition Brachi

you have a great Brachi

less tanky of course

but god, even as a playable animal it is welly thought.

[honest sparrow]

I remember that, it's a pretty good suggestion

[valid elk]

Anyone have thoughts or ideas they wanna share?

For my suggestion

[tawny juniper]

I don't really see the point of having a feathered variant of utah aswell as the jp utah

I feel like it would just look weird if they were both in at the same time

Like a bunch of feathery utahs and a couple jp ones

[barren zephyr]

well, we are getting a bunch of feathered-dino options for a handful of other dinos.
We'll see how the devs plan that out

[tawny juniper]

Personally I think if we're getting that then the server either has one or the other enabled

[barren zephyr]

I've always wanted feathered options as something you gain by finishing an elder life as your playable

[valid elk]

Some officials will have both enabled, where as some will have it turned on one or the other.

[honest sparrow]

feathered minmi

feathered magy

[barren zephyr]

that being a 'reward' that you can show off to your mates and other players- Look! I survived 'x' amount of hours playing as this dino

[honest sparrow]

feath-

[barren zephyr]

we are getting a bunch of feathered-dino options for a handful of other dinos

we don't need that for every playable

[honest sparrow]

ik I'm just poking fun at the wording

[barren zephyr]

I know

[valid elk]

Utahraptor, Velociraptor, Gallimimus, Tyrannosaurus, Troodon.

[tawny juniper]

Idk I just feel like it would be odd seeing dinos completely feathered mixed with dinos with absolutely no feathers, I think maybe it would look a lot better if they kind of small little scruffs of small feathers

[barren zephyr]

I'd like some more prehistoric feathering

[valid elk]

So...just feathers?

[tawny juniper]

as opposed to, todays feathers?

was there a difference

[barren zephyr]

feathers have evolved

https://artisalie.tumblr.com/post/31526439656/prehistoric-birds-feather-evolution

wouldn't hate simple fibers (like we have on Taco)

although, The Isle is in a Modern setting

[tawny juniper]

Just for a quick breakdown, is that going from early to modern feathers, left to right

[barren zephyr]

would that make sense? No

[barren zephyr]

yes

[hoary dawn]

its a close one

[tawny juniper]

Depending on how the lore on how the dinos were created is the feathers may different

[sonic mural]

I jus hope the feathers look good

[tawny juniper]

Like if it's jp oh they were mixed with creatures, namely birds they might have like modern feathers

Or if they are just straight up clones they might have different feathers

[barren zephyr]

well, AE is basically the same as ingen

just, no theme park

more scientific work and study

[tawny juniper]

I'll bet they do just modern feathers so it's easy to look and say, "oh those are feathers"

[swift dew]

and more shit like this

[barren zephyr]

Yeah, pretty much.

[keen reef]

Alright Pumba

[swift dew]

[barren zephyr]

I'm for and against feathers.
I'm still 50/50 on it being optional when you select your playable
Tbh, The Isle needs more rewards when you finish a life (if you die naturally as an elder, that is)

that is what the devs are trying to do

[valid elk]

Then...why make feathers a reward?

[barren zephyr]

always thought bringing stuff like feathers or even skin variants (carchar model for giga) would be great rewards

[valid elk]

And why not making your animal better?

[barren zephyr]

so you have a purpose to grow and play the game

people have different goals in games.
Wants in game

[tawny juniper]

I'm all for feathers as long as it doesn't massivley change the appearance, like I like the idea of a little scruff, but I really dislike the option between, all scales/skin vs all feathers

[valid elk]

Other than diets, mutants, lore, enviornments, dinosaurs, explorable places-

[tawny juniper]

I feel like it's too much diversity to make it feel like the same animal

[barren zephyr]

we honestly have to see how QA and the devs find this.

I can honestly see species neglection because you didn't 'have feathers'

[valid elk]

Wanna point this out

This means jack shit for Utahraptor.

Because a ton of people like jurassic Park and a ton like accuracy, so you are gonna have both no matter what.

[barren zephyr]

pretty much

[honest sparrow]

shut up for the win

[barren zephyr]

I presume that's why The Devs are putting feathers in

[valid elk]

In fact, this goes for all the feathered animals. We have a Velociraptor that looks great without feathers and would look great with feathers. And...well, Gallimimus would look way better with feathers, let's be honest.

[tawny juniper]

I feel like if it's JP vs Reality, then it's just going to be weird because they look completely different other than shape, I feel like if feathers are just JP with some smaller feathers on it's neck and tail or something it might be a little better because you can still very easily look and see that it's the same creature

[valid elk]

But then it turns into Ark.

Where the feathers are "glued on"

[tawny juniper]

what

[honest sparrow]

ngl I think ark's troodon feathers are decent

[tawny juniper]

How do small amounts of feathers make it ark

[barren zephyr]

glued on the model

[tawny juniper]

I kind of disagree but whatever 😕

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[valid elk]

@severe idol

[hoary dawn]

honestly if it were just tiny amounts of feathers why add it at all, i'd hope for it to be a significant change to appease both people that like jp and people that like good utahraptors

[severe idol]

Nah.

It'll clear up.

[barren zephyr]

all done

[tawny juniper]

But then you have dinos with no feathers and dinos with tons it's too much of difference to look natural

[keen reef]

[severe idol]

There's a cream for your trouble.

[barren zephyr]

yes

[hoary ocean]

💀

[hoary dawn]

idk about you but an iguana herrerasaurus climbing a tree to escape a trex doesn't seem too natural either

[barren zephyr]

pings everywhere with you guys

[valid elk]

But we also have orc things that eat people and guns and jeeps and genetic monstrosities.

[tawny juniper]

I suppose natural was the wrong word

It would look out of place and kind of stupid

I say either have one or the other

[valid elk]

Or both? Since...you can have server options turning off feathered animals from playables

[hoary dawn]

both would be ideal

(tho if you ask me utah is in dire need of a rework anyway so why not make the default feathered)

[paper oriole]

Cassowary or rhea feathered galli like the overaggressive demon it is