general-feedback-discussion

[wanton hull]

Probably one of those use at your own risk kinda thing.

[odd sedge]

I don't think discord should be used for that

[wanton hull]

Already exists as to why you’d split them into 2 idunno

[sudden hinge]

You had a contention with the cannibalism debuff and used body down rules in your suggestion that’s why I said this

[paper oriole]

Did that dude really use cannibal plotting as a reason to bring back group chat

Thats gotta be trolling right

[limber hull]

lmao

bring back group chat to let me play toxic with far greater efficiency

[tawny juniper]

@cerulean marten go play roblox if you want to game and chat with people

[barren zephyr]

To be fair, it makes sense, I see his point.

He wants group chat back so he can efficiently plan things with his groupmates without letting other dinosaurs of the same species know.

I don’t agree with it though, since he can just walk away from other dinosaurs of the same species and get the same effect without breaking immersion

And his “its a MMO” thing doesn’t make sense, since the isle isn’t a MMO, and when I used to play, having only local chat worked fine for when I wanted to talk.

[paper oriole]

If you want to plot a cannibalism assassination right next to somebody do it in discord or steam chat

It feels stupid af to be speaking right next to somebody you are plotting to kill and keeping them oblivious

[barren zephyr]

what about discord dictator that auto closes the game if someone has it open…. not saying I actually want this but discord players aren’t fun to play against

the isle should be against more effective communication

[paper oriole]

And honestly global should only be an option for sandbox servers when they make a comeback because it is basically a deathmatch chatroom anyway

[barren zephyr]

agreed

[paper oriole]

A majority of players probably have phones, tablets or other monitors they can discord chat in while playing to bypass something like that as well

[barren zephyr]

the point is to make it counter intuitive, not completely get rid of it.

It would stop most players

[paper oriole]

I suppose thats the most that could be done, idk about it stopping most players tho, it is barely an inconvenience to open discord on your phone and have it on the desk beside you

[jovial hazel]

I play solo a good bit, and even joined a couple random groups just conversing with ingame chat. But the game is like 90% more enjoyable in a vc with your group.

[barren zephyr]

It would be pretty frustrating to even have to do that though, it would stop it from just being “click discord and instantly gain a unfair advantage”

Servers should have a option to ban discord use

[paper oriole]

Frustrating for some, i mean its something i already do sometimes

And yeah it is often more enjoyable in vc than in group typing

Dont gotta stop and read and you get faster reaction times

[valid oracle]

Also if you’re wondering what i said i just named some of the soundtrack this game has

I’m not just throwing words, it’s the name of the song

let me link it real quick

https://youtu.be/0UYURvKWq2M

https://youtu.be/dlxg8zfJTrQ

[urban flax]

I'd love combat music in the game, but I don't know how it could be handled to not be annoying/pop out too late

[molten tulip]

I feel like combat music would just feel like ark where it just gets grating and poorly timed

[ashen wasp]

Then there’s the issue of threat music giving away ambushes

[vast wolf]

those are sub carnos in the clip dryo posted.
dryos dodge should still be redone, but i think it should be about the same speed as utah instead of being a bit slower.

[limber hull]

i'll be honest, i really think the dodge was a move that should never have gone to dryo. Arguably would be far more useful on a herbi with a weaker turn radius

[hoary dawn]

ovi having dodge would be neat

[jovial hazel]

Are people dying to dryo or something? I mean, aside from some fresh spawns. Yeah it can avoid stuff easily, but so what? Let the troll dino be a troll dino.

[limber hull]

Dryo is kinda... Lame tho, tbh

It's WAY too overtuned

Like I think dryo needs to be nerfed to give it at least a sense of risk

Also kinda sad that two of the four herbis qualify as "troll dinos" lmao

[idle comet]

Ok, I have suggested a complex shit mechanic

I am here to discuss

[cloud viper]

No

[idle comet]

why tho

if its gonna be in the game

at least make it fun

[cerulean marten]

O its not that i want cannibalism. But since they officialy announced crocs gonna be cannibals with the carnos. I suppose there is no way of going around it anymore. Since everytone else you gonna swim into might be one

Like today i have been killed twice as a half grown

by a rampaging croc killing everyone

[cerulean marten]

I can only foresee this causing INCREDIBLE lag

[urban flax]

Not that much, it would be client-side and doesn't need synchronization

[solar peak]

ok @cloud viper that's the reason for my X "hold rmb and you would start hissing (or another sound raui makes) that would give creatures hallucinations if they stay around raui for too long and would take like 20-30 s to go away. This would simulate fear without being a bad mechanic and would help raui scare of predators or taking over bodies. This would work on mid tiers and not apexes or trikes."

[cloud viper]

I said I'm not sure about it

Tbh i was gonna think about it over lunch too

But i accidentally sent it so yeah

But i have concluded no

[honest sparrow]

Yeah Dryo should definitely have a speed nerf

[sudden hinge]

@still needle the devs have stated time and time again that it’s going to be a minute before they tick off anything on fractures and diets be patient they are working hard

[vast wolf]

each check on diets revolves around an entire foliage group being implemented and tested.

until every mushroom is in mushrooms wont get checked off and so forth.

[hasty dagger]

Isn’t Tully Monster only a few centimeters long-

I doubt you’d even notice it

[white rune]

I mean

why

when Taco can be a porcupine?

At least call is Koreaceratops

even if now it is wrong and out dated

[ebon girder]

New playables are way more unlikely to be added, i know the Koreaceratops aquatic theory

[white rune]

which is wrong

but at least if Taco had to have a remodel

[ebon girder]

I dont care, i just didnt want to suggest a new playable

[white rune]

and being semi aquatic

call is Koreaceratops

like

it changes nothing

you just transformed Taco into Korea

like I could do with Nychus and Velo

as Velo could get a remodel

but Taco model isn't to touch

it is too perfect

[strange wave]

making taco aquatic is a waste of taco

[white rune]

this tbh^

[urban flax]

I can add Taco to my list of "make it semiaquatic to make it viable" suggestions

[white rune]

Quills, burrow = porcupine

You could also possibly make its quills poisonous like some porcupines have iirc.

it doesn't need to become semi aquatic to work just fine.

[strange wave]

have taco alter its quills to add effects to them

[white rune]

already does that in its 3 call animation

and yeah

you could be able to hold a stance

a defensive stance

[vast wolf]

porcupine tacco is rad
aquatic tacco is bad

[white rune]

there is a burrow
you're a Troodon
you invade it
there is a wall of spikes at its entrence

Enjoy the quills.

[strange wave]

have taco be able to rub its quills in a variety of different things to add those effects to its quills
like poisonous plants to give it the effect of that poison
or venom of a dead venomous animal
or rotting bodies/shit to make it infectious

[white rune]

idk, just slighty. Like it could just kill a Compy lol

Then it just does little effect of diseases.

[urban flax]

Having taco produce venom itself would be better imo, otherwise it'd be too complex

[white rune]

Nothing great.

[strange wave]

the lazy way out
booo

[urban flax]

Remember we're talking about a herbi that is the size of hypsi, just let it produce its own venom and not have it need to do some specific things

[vast wolf]

tacco could get its venom by eating plants with some of its staple diet being more toxic.

[white rune]

Also yeah, you wouldn't require to eat or do a specific thing to get poison.

Anyway it also is unnecessary. Like you can add this but it already works fine.

[urban flax]

Which probably wouldn't work since a lot of venoms lose their effects once they've been exposed to air for too long

[vast wolf]

or it could make the venom stronger by eating more toxic flora

[white rune]

Oh God no why did I spread a cursed idea

https://tenor.com/view/confused-white-persian-guardian-why-gif-11908780

Should have never done that

[strange wave]

lets run this down

it can burrow as a side mechanic
if we want to go full porcupine let it climb trees

having it use its quills, which functions off of other systems which are already a thing, like kentro passive damage, or venom and poison effects
as its primary defense and unique mechanic, is a great idea

[vast wolf]

base line its not that bad, if tacco eats something toxic then its pretty dangerous for smaller animals.

[urban flax]

Well I guess so, but I don't think taco climbing trees would look very good

[vast wolf]

tacco climbing makes more sense than utah climbing.

[urban flax]

True

Though at least Utah can use the excuse of momentum

Whilst taco is slow
Though it could be made faster in evrima

[ebon girder]

ok this is way better than my suggestion

[white rune]

Are Porcupine Quills Poisonous?
These thin spines are painful for any creature that gets too close. In some cases, dogs, badgers, and foxes impaled by these spikes have died due ``to their injuries. While porcupine quills are not poisonous, only a doctor orveterinarian should attempt to remove them.

ANYWAY THEY ARE NO ACTUALLY MY BAD

[strange wave]

i prefer the rubbing it in various other things, gives it variety in what it does
rub in the venom of a dead dilo to give hyper concentrated dilo venom effects
rub in shit or a rotting corpse to give an infection
sharpen quills to add extra bleed effect
rub in poison berry to apply that poison effect

[urban flax]

How are you going to find a dead dilo as a taco ?

[strange wave]

by finding a dead dilo

[urban flax]

Seems very specific and luck-based

[white rune]

shit having an actual purpose

but that could work

also mask scent like mud

[vast wolf]

also venom does disipate over time

better luck with poisons from plants or bacteria from meat.

[strange wave]

yes, thats why its an extra good effect
you arent going to always find dead dilos, so making a dead dilo an actual resource to tacos, having like, only 1 taco actually be able to get the venom, and having it be a good effect on the quills itself, makes it something tacos might actually fight over, and want to have

[urban flax]

Or just ignore it since carcasses attract predators and it would only be a temporary and situational buff

[strange wave]

but it is a good buff
its high risk, high reward

[urban flax]

I'm not convinced

[strange wave]

you dont need to be

[vast wolf]

id rather just have tacco come with something like mild toad poison on its quills that gets super toxic if you eat special plants.

[urban flax]

Seems better indeed

[strange wave]

booo

[vast wolf]

basically it makes you violently ill or can cause death if you dont cure it as a small animal. then it can be potentially lethal for small animals.

that would only things like troodon sized would get super sick

if you get more toxic quills you can make larger animals sick like a carno.

[honest sparrow]

Just make taco yeet it’s quills

[vast wolf]

the carno wouldent die unless said tacco has a lot of perks that increase the cap for its toxin and then you could use something like a salt rock to disipate the effects quick.

[strange wave]

taco killing a carno, under any reason, is stupid

[vast wolf]

i dont want old fashioned archery porcupine.

[honest sparrow]

I do

I think that would be fun

[vast wolf]

only way it would kill a carno is if it 1 had the perks to do so which would be mildly difficult and 2 if the tacco had eaten enough toxic plant matter in short enough of a time to get the full affect. every time your toxin is used on something it would slowly refill to the base toxicity or you would have to manually refill it past that.

this could be a good toxic plant to add, its called phytolacca.

also castor bean plants.

also taxus is a good species of coniferous shrub that has edible berries.

[hoary dawn]

kill own

[fleet drift]

Editing your comment in reaction to my own still didn't change my thoughts on the matter, still agree @hybrid matrix but pop off lol

[hybrid matrix]

i edited my comment because apparently i wasnt clear enough when describing how subtle the debuffs should be

i wasnt trying to change your thoughts

[fleet drift]

idk the facepalm react to my post and edit right after my comment would suggest otherwise. But cool! My statement still stands and I agree with yours

[hybrid matrix]

my facepalm reaction was because you misinterpreted my suggestion

[fleet drift]

Yeah I can agree with that, I have different reasons why I like your suggestion

[fleet drift]

To that note tho, can still muddy the waters (i.e. I'm avid canni hunter but if I eat an already dead utah and twitch myself I can be mistaken for one). And vice versa cannis can just opt to not eat utahs and still kill utahs without any sign or debuff.

Ultimately not much can really change on cannis, and that's fine... tbh I don't want the mechanic of killing one's species be removed.

But I still like the debuffs for eating ones species unless your specific species that can handle a canni diet.

[hybrid matrix]

ok

cannibalism is when you eat your own species

not when you kill it

killing a member of your own kind is just murder

its only cannibalism when you actually eat them

[fleet drift]

Srry it's a term people use for anyone who kill ones species in-game

[hybrid matrix]

thats not what cannibalism is though

[fleet drift]

Yes I'm aware xD

[hybrid matrix]

and besides, cannibalism should only be punished if you do it too much and you aren't a cera/deino/cannibalistic playable

[fleet drift]

Yeah that makes sense

[hoary dawn]

imo it shouldn't be punished any more than eating something that isn't in your diet, it just fills your stomach and keeps you from dying, slight visual indicators if you have eaten your own would be neat but all in all just not very necessary

[fleet drift]

Would be annoying if I'm starving and need to cannibalize only to be further punished

Waste of food if immediate debuffs

[hybrid matrix]

thats what i think too, but since we're getting cannibalism debuffs, they should be small warning signs for ppl to watch out for instead of something that makes it impossible for you to get elder perks

[hoary dawn]

absolutely

getting a gameplay damaging punishment for eating your own species is ridiculous

[fleet drift]

Some animals can handle a canni diet, for those as reasonable shouldn't get debuffs. Dinos like Utahs imo should get debuffs within reason.

[hybrid matrix]

not if you're a herbivore...

[hoary dawn]

having different perk options for herbivores that kill and eat meat

[swift dew]

<@&401466542140817419>

its in all these channels

[sudden hinge]

@hybrid matrix all of the debuffs that come from cannibalism the devs have suggested work well. Idk why so many of you guys have an issue you with it if you want to eat your own kind and get no debuff play deino or cera simple

[hybrid matrix]

ok so

punch assumed this as well, but i only cannibalize if its my only option

[swift dew]

@red marten the whole point of the spawn delay is to stop juvis spawning over and over again harassing the person that killed them.

[paper oriole]

Upvoting your own suggestion

[red marten]

yeah but its 4 mins

and u always die

as a baby

[hybrid matrix]

its 5 minutes

[red marten]

so even worse

[hybrid matrix]

so get better at the game

[red marten]

as a baby

tf u suppose to do if an adult rams ur asshole

[swift dew]

yeah, its pretty easy to live

just hide

[hybrid matrix]

are you the kind of person that walks up to an adult 2calling and then complains when u get mauled?

[red marten]

nah i try live

[fleet drift]

Yee just keep low profile, hide in bushes never stay out in open

[hybrid matrix]

yeah, im guessing by begging adults for food?

[red marten]

no im with my friends staying low but eventually something comes out and kills us from somewhere

kek

[hybrid matrix]

so learn from ur experiences

thats how this game works

[fleet drift]

You'll live as bebe, don't make urself an easy target and ull find people have harder time killing u. Can still be killed ofc that's just the name of the game

[red marten]

I just dont think it should be a 5 min spawn delay thats all..

[hybrid matrix]

to paraphrase that guy whose name doesn't come to mind, To survive, you must first die

the quote was To learn, you must first make mistakes. or smthn

[red marten]

yeah

[fleet drift]

Eh the time spawn doesn't bother me, makes u want to be better at game or not spawn in same area as your killer

But I get frustration, I just choose diff spot and travel to meet up with friends

[red marten]

I mean its not that im bad its just unlucky, cause we dont stay at the same spot or do call outs etc etc but end up dying

but its whatever

[fleet drift]

Yeah! You got this! Sometimes it is just unlucky, but you do learn how to avoid the noms. Shallows/Pond/Center is high risk high reward for example :)

[red marten]

yeah

[swift dew]

tbh everywhere is high risk high reward, its just a different type of risk

[red marten]

thanks for the help

[fleet drift]

Truu 👌

[swift dew]

you go to a place where there isnt many people, you risk starving but you shouldn't get murdered. you go to a place with alot of people you wont starve, but you risk getting eaten by braindead carnos

[red marten]

yeah

lmao

[fleet drift]

Yee xD further down shallows always a chance to find peeps who fall off cliffs. Pond as a utah just remain hidden until u find a pact u can trust, and even then just remain hidden

Center is better for carnos or spawn NE and make ur way back to Center

Tldr stay hidden, eat/drink, stay hidden until u fg. Can be done unless u particularly unlucky and can't get to or find food

[red marten]

Yeah

Ty for help

My friends are off rn but I’m just camping in a bush

I hear autistic carnos in the distance

[rugged quarry]

Bot

[tender latch]

Sus

[barren zephyr]

Amog

[honest sparrow]

Lmao me getting rng wallhacked from anywhere because someone decided to take a nap

[barren zephyr]

Thing is, even though they know your current location (which they still need to find there way there) you can always just continue moving around. It somewhat prevents starvation if you have a small idea of where someone is

I could be sleeping and see a glimpse of someone all the way across the map

[paper oriole]

Sleeping shouldnt slow down hunger/thirst. If it is a way to gain stam faster as well as heal the capped off health faster it has enough utility, draining hunger and thirst slower just encourages afk

Also sensing nearby players and food while sleeping makes 0 sense

[short escarp]

what do you mean people sleep for 59 secound and then stand up?

[feral solstice]

Can you specific where that’s located

[feral solstice]

So no hunger and thirst drain effects

[paper oriole]

It should just help healing and stam regen thats all

Nonna that detection shit that makes no sense lol

Also sounds abusable especially for groups

[feral solstice]

Okay removed

[short escarp]

mate sleeping is ment for logging off not healing

[feral solstice]

Anything else?

[feral solstice]

I mean it can be used for both, yeah.

I can get the other idea hold on

[paper oriole]

He is suggesting it be usable outside of safelog which is fine

But it shouldnt have too many upsides

[short escarp]

ohh have 2 fuctions for it

[paper oriole]

Ya

[feral solstice]

Okay added the safelog function

[paper oriole]

Also why especially lowered sounds for carnivores? It should be the same for both, something thats entire goal is to avoid being found and killed should be just as concerned about making dumb unnecessary grunts while in a vulnerable position

[feral solstice]

Boom done

Well shit that’s a massive text wall but hey

[short escarp]

what you mean you added the function lol

[feral solstice]

Scroll down into the feedback

Scroll to the bottom

there’s the function

[jovial hazel]

@marsh glacier Bodies despawn after 45 minutes, and they said they're confident they know the cause of the rubber banding.

[feral solstice]

@barren zephyr so kinda like the ambush mechanic, just with more setbacks?

I like it

[barren zephyr]

Not quite, because I dont mean 'while crouching'. I mean during rest.

@feral solstice But actually, ya sorta like the ambush mechanic itself. Just not the same application

[feral solstice]

Yeah, I meant more setbacks meaning you have to sit down, which creates restriction to movement, you have to consume stamina to use it, AND it only lasts a certain amount of time.
Just not the same applica- ah.

Yeah I like it

[barren zephyr]

Yes sir you get me

[feral solstice]

It’s way less OP compared to the original

[wanton hull]

@hybrid matrix it makes sense gameplay wise that a cannibal shouldn’t be able to spawn in players because he might eat those hatchlings just to be an ass

[swift dew]

this is borderline spam at this point, idk why you keep asking for it to come back, the devs have made up their minds and it not coming back untill mod support and someone mods it in

[hoary dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-ah-shit-cj-gta-gta-san-andreas-gif-13933485

[fluid venture]

🤷

[vale pawn]

[manic flint]

Just stop they don't want it in the game...

[hoary dawn]

i very much doubt pachy will be the only thing able to fracture stuff

[feral solstice]

@thorny lynx AND tenos tail slam

[vale pawn]

anky

[manic flint]

Teno tail slam will fracture I think

I think it was in a stream

[swift dew]

I hope pretty much everything gets the ability to fracture to some extent

[feral solstice]

Imagine a Utah biting the tail only to be tailslammed and suffering concussion.

Temporary blurred vision

[manic flint]

Wonky controls

Yea it's gonna be fun
For the teno

[feral solstice]

Utah with concussion runs into another tail slam

[barren zephyr]

Utah is going to have it rough in update 4

[feral solstice]

LOL true

[barren zephyr]

Bitten by a big alligator and it’s just gone. It won’t be able to run

it’s legs would be turned to paste

[feral solstice]

Has to follow diets so it doesn’t suffer debuffs
Should be fractured by Carnos ram
Should be fractured by Pachys attacks.
Deino will splatter it
Teno should splatter it with fractures with almost every attack

God

Utah is really gonna have it rough

Hopefully

[hoary dawn]

force utah players to develop skill

[barren zephyr]

Impossible

[limber hull]

@urban bear I think the worst part by far is the fact that these massive shallows are the only path to get to East as a deino

[barren zephyr]

good

[hoary dawn]

welllllllll

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771839411033210896/838618504268873790/ezgif-3-6c12694e71c4.gif

[limber hull]

Why does everyone hate Utah, they feel like the weakest carnivore atm lmao. I don’t see why it needs to be weakened further

[barren zephyr]

Isle gif

[urban bear]

you say that barbecue your are carno main and you smell

[barren zephyr]

barbecue

[hoary dawn]

your are

[urban bear]

Now show me, where is the pesky shrine. In your basement?

[barren zephyr]

(also I main teno)

[limber hull]

Carnos are way less skilled after playing all the carnivores. Carno seems very very easy

[urban bear]

Carno is the most brain dead animal to play as in the game

[limber hull]

Just W+M1 when I play

It works

[hoary dawn]

what apex land carnivore does to a mf

[barren zephyr]

Not saying I’m disagreeing with you, I just don’t like Utah

[urban bear]

Why?

[barren zephyr]

because it gets destroyed by everything currently and it makes me sad, plus teno is great

[urban bear]

are you alright

[barren zephyr]

no

[urban bear]

utah claps stego, teno and carno in a good pack

its not even a close fight

[barren zephyr]

solo wise not exactly, in a pack yeah

[limber hull]

So you want utah nerfed because it’s... Weak?

[urban bear]

if you think utah cant kill anything you simply dont know how to use it

[hoary dawn]

who's saying utah's getting nerfed

[urban bear]

its not designed to be a solo hunter this isn't legacy its a pack animal its whole strat is to wear its prey down and slowly kill it with bleed

[hoary dawn]

you can't just not like a dinosaur

[barren zephyr]

not allowed to main anything else

[hoary dawn]

@barren zephyr how dare you

[urban bear]

main teno

[barren zephyr]

I cannot like other dinosaurs

yeah

Teno is great

[urban bear]

teno is very well done by the dev team

best dinosaur they have designed so far in my opinion

[last lily]

Deino does not need severe fracture damage until the big boys are in. Deino can already spam bite and fight on land exceptionally well(with the only real concern being stegos). If you're going to give fracture damage anyway, then Deino needs something done to its alt bite, to make it less spammable, so that they aren't so comfortable on land... outside of Stegophobia(even then though, some Deinos have found ways to absolutely maul Stegos)...

That's more of a balance feedback issue though, but I feel like it applies here..

[paper oriole]

people want deinos spam bite fixed too

[urban bear]

stego fight is easy as deino

just spam alt bite and head shot it

[barren zephyr]

Just go for the head spam alt bite and kill it

You 4 shot it in the head

[quiet estuary]

Deino doing insane fracture damage with regular bites sounds like a horrid idea. If it were combined with some extra ability that is available when it lunges, like a deathroll though it would be great

[last lily]

Yeah, that's what I meant by some Deinos having absolutely no fear of Stegos anymore, rip... But you also got some Deinos like the one from the other day... aka a deino who ran into my adult stego's ass and promptly got murdered by thagomizers to the head.

[barren zephyr]

Maybe the lunge can apply fracture or something so it isn’t overtuned

[quiet estuary]

The lunge itself at a base shouldnt either

As that would punish those who escape from the lunge

[limber hull]

A death roll ability sounds fucking awesome tbh

[quiet estuary]

Yes, but I doubt it is from the animators standpoint

[last lily]

A death roll ability would make lunge much more useful on land..... but hard to do(although I'd love to see it anyway).

[limber hull]

I mean, they have a death roll already technically in the eating anim

[quiet estuary]

Yes but that is on a still non player object

Imagine what the animation would be like on a moving object. Would the utah spin with the deathroll, would it be just the part grabbed onto, etc

[limber hull]

Fair

[thorny lynx]

Deino should do some sort of fracture damage with its bite regardless.

[hoary dawn]

having the option to customize both your hatchling skin and your adult skin separately and then slowly change into it as you grow would be really neat

[quiet estuary]

Everything's attacks should do fractures

[honest sparrow]

yes, this

[thorny lynx]

A Utah shouldn't fracture a Tenonto though

Dryo, yes

[hoary dawn]

🧂

[honest sparrow]

🧂

[bold palm]

@hoary dawn yThanks for helping me compile the cannibal list. 😉

shoot me your steam64 so i can ban you on some servers

[hoary dawn]

I always kill my own, doesn't matter if I'm hungry or not I always kill my own

[honest sparrow]

I always kill my own, doesn't matter if I'm hungry or not I always kill my own

[hoary dawn]

also idk what a list does but you do you

[barren zephyr]

thanks

[bold palm]

you don't know what a list is?

[honest sparrow]

Lmao imagine actually threatening someone with bans just because they kill their own kind in a video game

[hoary dawn]

ik what a list is

but why you need a list of own killers

[bold palm]

imagine being a toxic newb

[barren zephyr]

Chasing cereal killers smh

[bold palm]

lol kids are so dumb

[hoary dawn]

i've had the game since 2016 but sure

[honest sparrow]

What did you do to the fruit loops

[barren zephyr]

occurrences

[bold palm]

watch they'll keep this going for hours

[hoary dawn]

cannibalism is such a minor issue i wouldn't even call it one, might as well just call being killed by anything an issue

[honest sparrow]

You’re the one who keeps responding and calling us stupid dude

[barren zephyr]

You are so bad you are not allowed to eat your own kind, you are not allowed to survive

[bold palm]

i said kids are stupid, you took offense to that?

interesting

[late flower]

the cannibal croc and his stego mixpacker friend are dead btw

[bold palm]

maybe you should read more improve on your understanding of the english language?

[late flower]

but ye, don't play croc

[hoary dawn]

in the context of the discussion you were implying that we are children as in insult cuz we do something in a videogame you dont like

[bold palm]

good @late flower

[honest sparrow]

Maybe you should read more to improve your understanding of the English language*

[hoary dawn]

exquisite

[bold palm]

and blocked

[barren zephyr]

Islecord

[hoary dawn]

anyway, instead of going straight to insults you could try explaining your points civilly

[bold palm]

newbs are annoying

[limber hull]

i don't like mixpackers nor cannibals but i really don't see what the devs can do lmao

[odd sedge]

Yeah but.. everyone was one at some point

[bold palm]

ya it will be interesting to find out @limber hull

[hasty dagger]

Ah yes, the classic I don’t like how you play a video game so I am banning you and blocking you

[bold palm]

they have plans

[hoary dawn]

there is plenty that can be done, just not a lot that needs to be done

[bold palm]

ya but dude said he had game for 6 years or something.

[barren zephyr]

Sometimes you have to eat your kind to survive

[limber hull]

i feel like there's a lot that can be done, but if that shit is fun or not is a different story

[barren zephyr]

as of now at least with the limited playables

[bold palm]

I can play without having to eat my own kind

it's not hard at all

[hoary dawn]

cannibalism will literally take care of itself when more playables are added and when its more effective to look for better food

[odd sedge]

Everyones learning curve is different pal

[bold palm]

lol

apparently

[limber hull]

That's actually very true

[honest sparrow]

I mean you can, it’s just some people do

[hoary dawn]

learning curve

[limber hull]

This seems like an EVRIMA issue tbh

[hasty dagger]

I don’t think of my own kind as my team, if I’m hungry and you’re an easier target than something more dangerous I’m eating you

[bold palm]

ya the 2 blocked kids are pretty slow, that was apparent the second they started talking.

[limber hull]

More roster = less cannibals

[hoary dawn]

precisely

[honest sparrow]

Ah yes, I disagreed with you on a video game, I am obviously mentally disabled

[odd sedge]

☝️

[hoary dawn]

just cuz its an "issue" rn doesn't mean there should be artificial barriers put in place that will just be a hassle to deal with in the future

[barren zephyr]

You are such a horrible person, you disagreed with me on the internet I hate you

[bold palm]

most likely not for deino

[honest sparrow]

Take a fucking hike in your clown shoes dude

[bold palm]

unless they have some plan to fix it

[hoary dawn]

civil @honest sparrow

steady heads prevail

[limber hull]

for example, deinos. I'd imagine with suchomimus, beipi, deinocherius, spinosaurus, etc, we'll be seeing less cannibals tbh.

[bold palm]

there is nothing in place to stop the fools who specifically target other same species.

maybe

diets are supposed to help

[odd sedge]

True, neither goes for things like carnos, as they are known cannibals.
A deino will eat everything smaller than them, even modern crocs and gators do

[barren zephyr]

Good thing Cera is going to be completely fine with cannibalism

[hasty dagger]

If you’re specifically targeting and going after your own species no matter what, that’s an issue, but I don’t see the problem with killing somebody if you’re hungry and they’re an easier kill than something else, especially with no diets in yet

[bold palm]

carno and utah i can see possibly needing to eat your own kind cuz ai and food is more rare

[hoary dawn]

except very few people target their own, its more just them not caring what species it is, if its food, they eat

[bold palm]

deino has literally unlimited fish

if you can't find fish in the game well... you suck.

[barren zephyr]

Deinos just kill each other for fun

[honest sparrow]

That doesn’t mean they should just hunt fish tho

[bold palm]

i don't kill other deinos for fun.

[honest sparrow]

As deino isn’t really designed to fo that, nor is it really fun imo

[limber hull]

i kinda like the idea of dinos like cera almost "opting in" to cannibalism. If I'm playing a cannibalistic dino and I get cannibalised, that's kinda on me

[hasty dagger]

I love growing an 8 ton mega gator to eat ai fucking fish

[bold palm]

i prefer hunting carno and utah

and if I get hungry plenty of fish

[barren zephyr]

I’ll eat anything as long as I don’t starve to death

[bold palm]

not to mention but denio food lasts a long long time

you can literally go 1 or 1.5 hours without food

[barren zephyr]

Isn’t it like an hour and 30 min or something?

[bold palm]

ya it's a long time

[honest sparrow]

Yeah deino hunger is hella long

[hoary dawn]

deino gameplay would be really boring if it could only eat fish tho

it already is boring enough as it is

[bold palm]

so deino, doesn't need food much and there is plenty of it, no reason to murder same species as well in a group it's more fun and even more fun to hunt carno and utah in groups.

[limber hull]

i mean

[hoary dawn]

there are plenty of good reasons why deino should cannibalize

[barren zephyr]

I sometimes kill other carnos as carnos because yeah, food is kinda scarce unless you’re a deino

[limber hull]

you CAN only eat fish as deino

which is silly

[bold palm]

ya playing as carno and utah food can get tight

[cyan flame]

@bold palm deino will, like cerato, be a cannibal, since nothing else threatens it

[honest sparrow]

Isn’t deino growth designed to ween you from fish as you grow

[hasty dagger]

it’s been confirmed deino won’t be punished for cannibalism as well

[hoary dawn]

which is good

[barren zephyr]

Crocodilians are known to cannibalize in real life so. Makes sense

[bold palm]

I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing the fact that some players only play to take advantage and murder same species, which is lame.

[limber hull]

nope, as a 100% deino i can just fucking eat fish if i know where to get it which is dumb

[bold palm]

as deino specifically

[honest sparrow]

That is hella lame

[bold palm]

fish is everywhere

[cyan flame]

Well, theyre practicing then i guess xD

[hasty dagger]

It’s ez food that lasts a long time, I don’t blame deino cannibals

[bold palm]

if you don't know where to get fish you're dumb

[limber hull]

it's sad too, without other aquatic animals it's REALLY hard to eat a lot of the time as deino

people have memorised shallows

[bold palm]

ya i don't know why you have such trouble eating bro, you need to move around the map.

fish in every river pretty much.

[honest sparrow]

Deino is everywhere, it’s easy to cannibalize, they are basically restricted to the same areas as you, it’s a big old food source just sitting there

[bold palm]

but you can't sit in one spot or you'll starve

[hasty dagger]

Not with cannibalism

[bold palm]

that's your strat?

pff

[honest sparrow]

Also maybe just me, but eating only fish sounds really boring

[bold palm]

you're lazy wow lol

[limber hull]

it is lmao

i have a 100% deino

the fact i can live off fish is fucking so silly

[barren zephyr]

8 ton alligator btw

[hasty dagger]

I don’t play deino, and yeah, if I did, I would be a cannibal instead growing 5 hours to eat fucking fish

[hoary dawn]

exciting gameplay

[honest sparrow]

Like oh wow, I can eat this ai that has no escape whatsoever, let me pass up this free juvi that is sitting right next to my mouth

[bold palm]

seeing as you only need to eat 4 times to grow to full deino, uhm.

lazy

[hasty dagger]

And?

It’s more fun

[bold palm]

poor excuse bud

[limber hull]

AI needs work. Adding more braindead AI that's bigger is going to make this game a fucking easymode for carnivores

[hoary dawn]

having fun in a videogame is a poor excuse now

[hasty dagger]

[honest sparrow]

So every deino should just be buddy buddy now

Friends to the end?

[hoary dawn]

no fun allowed, go eat ai

[honest sparrow]

Can’t wait for Cera and being hated on for killing other ceras when goats or whatever exist

[bold palm]

ya i was thinking that last night, it would be nice to have the rex and all that other AI they have planned

[limber hull]

No, I'm on the other end

Not at all a fan of utah or teno AI

fuck that shit

[bold palm]

it's not going to be hard to kill, it's food

[limber hull]

Farmed for days because they're dumb af

EXACTLY

EXACTLY MY POINT

lots of food for little effort

[barren zephyr]

Free meal

[honest sparrow]

I’m fine with Utah and teno ai, I just feel as though they need way more work

[bold palm]

i think they tested out utah ai at one point cuz I was on NA 2 as ptera and flew over a group of utahs like 100 of them

[limber hull]

Crabs, goats, lizards. These meals are small and will oonly mildly satiate the killer

[bold palm]

landed and none of them attacked me

they were acting weird as f to

[limber hull]

Tenos? That can feed an entire utah pack

[hoary dawn]

for other animals i can understand people wanting cannibalism punishments, most carnivores do have more fun ways of obtaining food, but punishing it severely just doesn't make much sense. especially in a multiplayer survival game where its kill or be killed

[limber hull]

I'm not a fan of these steaks on legs walking around with poor AI and being farmed

I prefer the minor snack of the animal AI

[bold palm]

well i think they said the ai will as smart as a human player at one point, or indistinguishable from. We'll see.

they dumb as f now

[honest sparrow]

Honestly as ai gets improved I’d be fine with it

But currently they’re too dumb for their own good

[hasty dagger]

As it stands now, AI will just be legacy AI but more food, improvement is a given though

[hoary dawn]

i dont have much hope for ai

[hasty dagger]

Remember when they wanted 50 players servers and majority AI

[bold palm]

just having other things to hunt would be nice

ouch

no

[hoary dawn]

imo it should stick to the extra small tiers like homalo, compy, etc. and stuff like ai brachi herds

[barren zephyr]

Honestly I don’t care for the A.I..

[bold palm]

Maybe set it up to where the server can support 300 players. When full no AI, then have AI take the spot of the empty player spots as users log out. So 1 player on the server would have 299 AI.

[late flower]

A good point, is that if we get, say half the roster, 25 dinos, there's only gonna be on average 4 dinos of every time for a 100 player server

[barren zephyr]

If only, but that many people on a server would literally just destroy the server itself

[late flower]

and the full roster of 52... that's a bit much for only 100 players

[hoary dawn]

if they could somehow make it so ai levels directly correlate to the server pop and what kind of dinos everyone is that'd be really cool

[honest sparrow]

Black hole

[bold palm]

also have you noticed how much AI is just out in the map at all times, like 100 dryo just chillin that will never get eaten.

[limber hull]

id imagine as the game goes on and technologies evolve, we can support larger servers

[barren zephyr]

300+ people on a giant mega map with different biomes would be neat

[bold palm]

that is wastful

[late flower]

😩

*assuming actual reasons to move around and not hang around hotspots

[hoary dawn]

diet

[barren zephyr]

Diets will fix that hopefully

[bold palm]

Honestly I think having higher player count, having AI replace empty player spots would be ideal, would allow for single player involvement, would not overload the server with AI, things like Fish I guess you'd have more of, but ultimately, full server no ai. could work.

[honest sparrow]

Dynamic ai spawns 💪

[barren zephyr]

The isle

[bold palm]

and ya do shit tons of work on the networking side of things and maybe the game would support that many

[hoary dawn]

hire network coder doind

[honest sparrow]

Please

[barren zephyr]

Hire

[bold palm]

Maybe have a more random map, seeds, different map each time your server reboots? Maybe have a map that grows and changes over time? Fauna could spread as it would in nature, might even require AI, trees could grow and spread seeds etc. Rivers could flood and create new ponds or streams, glaciers could melt, mountains could crumble, a destroyable world, you can dig a hole or a cave system, uhm, lava flows etc.

[hoary dawn]

mmm

procedurally generated maps would be really difficult

and the maps are tailored to fit into the lore

[barren zephyr]

I would literally kill for a new map

[bold palm]

ikr

[hoary dawn]

your own?

[barren zephyr]

of course

I always kill my own

[hoary dawn]

i will now insult you

[barren zephyr]

[late flower]

I highly doubt procedural gen would work here, I just wanna see what Jace has been working on

[barren zephyr]

Desert biome for the isle

[honest sparrow]

Grim expanse my ex

[hoary dawn]

the maps already have enough issues when they're being hand-made, being generated by a procedural generator would be chaos

[bold palm]

we can dream. 🙂 And yes me too. Jace seems legit.

been playing around with maps lately, it's really fun.

[limber hull]

carnos are not big-game hunters.

they are designed to attack small things

also carnos do not need any buffs atm

[paper oriole]

A carno knocking over a 6 ton quadruped? What the fuck?

Carno shouldn’t be brawling especially with animals that heavy

[stray holly]

If you read the whole thing you’d see it requires more than one to pull it off

[urban flax]

Stego is more than twice carno's weight tho

It's closer to thrice its weight

[safe galleon]

And with 4 big pillars under it, aka legs

[stray holly]

With two carnos, they make up about 4200 KGs. A grown stego weighs 6000. With the 4200 kgs moving at 40+ kilometers an hour you don’t think it’s possible to knock something 6000 KGs off it’s feet?

[urban flax]

No, I don't. The bigger you are, the harder it is to move things bigger than yourself. That's the square meter rule.

Also carnos don't need to be able to hunt big prey easier than they already can.

[vast wolf]

two carnos in game are 3600 kg

and that would mean carno can fight mid tiers which its not meant to hunt in game.

[paper oriole]

Also upvoting your own suggestion

[stray holly]

Ok I was going off the isle wiki I wasn’t able to look ingame

[vast wolf]

carno being able to cc tenonto is a bit of a stretch already

[stray holly]

How much does teno weigh?

[vast wolf]

1600 kg

when we get more small prey and larger predators i hope carnos charge dosent knock the other psuedo mids over.

that would help things like cerato, magy and kentro deal with it a lot easier as they are out of its ideal prey range.

[stray holly]

Hmm

[vast wolf]

stuff in this size range should be the maximum for carno if it can even knock them over.

[stray holly]

Hmm

I see what you mean.

Makes me wonder why Utah’s can hunt herbies that big though.

[paper oriole]

Different hunting style

[urban flax]

Because Utah is made to be a big game hunter

[paper oriole]

Utahs is built to latch on and deal bleed and ideally hunt in packs

Carno is built to ambush and grab small animals

[vast wolf]

megalania: super low slung komodo on steroids
cerato: brawler that should be able to fend off carno
magy: would appreciate not being scarred for its life by anything else
kentro: spikes
diablo: only one aside from cerato i can see being knocked over due to its frame
teno: too heavy and quadropedal
bary: why would you do that

carno is small game ambush hunter, utah is a pack hunter that can take on larger prey.

[stray holly]

I think it’s ok for carnos to knock over a teno.

[vast wolf]

it just makes the psuedo mids have a harder time as none of them can really run and hide from carno.

until we get more prey species for carno or a larger predator carno is fine.

[stray holly]

That’s the point of being in a herd though. It’s much more difficult to run in and knock over one to kill it because you get swarmed by 3-4 other tail slaps. (Personal experience speaking)

[vast wolf]

the devs dont want most playables balanced for packing

things like utah and troodon are acceptions but most other creatures are not going to have targeted pack balance

[flat crypt]

generally speaking, a playable should always be at least somewhat viable solo vs anything else solo. whether thats because they can fight back, flee, or cripple and flee

[vast wolf]

^

as carno is the fastest creature things need to escape it.

[flat crypt]

a solo tenonto isnt gonna be balanced against 10 utahs, but it doesnt need to be, so long as it's balanced against 1

[vast wolf]

smaller animals are agile enough to dodge its attacks fairly easily where as something like teno or magy are too large to reliably dodge.

[stray holly]

Whenever bone break is added, do you think it’d be good to allow the tail slam to potentially shatter a carno’s leg?

[keen reef]

I like how people try and advocate for changing things by saying "if a tenonto gets attacked by 4 Carnos it'll lose"

[flat crypt]

not full on shatter in one hit but a low-level fracture would be good imo

[stray holly]

In a solo situation that’d be beneficial for the teno I would think.

[vast wolf]

tenos tail slam probably wont do fractures.

[keen reef]

I would hope not

[vast wolf]

it already has cc

[flat crypt]

kinda depends on how much fracturing carno charge does imo

[keen reef]

Maybe minor fractures for the kick but even that's pushing it

[stray holly]

I’d think if it was gonna fracture anything, it would be with its tail and nothing else.

[vast wolf]

carno charge also seems super unlikely to cause fractures on its own. if you get launched by it and fall sure but if it just hits you that makes carno oppressive.

[limber hull]

i think minor fractures on carno charge, deino bite/lunge and teno tail/kick could be well done, but would require serious rebalancing in other areas

[keen reef]

Also, can I say how excited I am to watch a Pachy ram a teno in the ribs and its mixpacking Carno friend comes to make it kill itself via trying to not die

Very gaming

[vast wolf]

teno kick could do mild skull fractures if they want to go the zebra route.

[stray holly]

Ooh

[keen reef]

I approve of this to an extent

[stray holly]

A headshot with the kick.

That would make sense.

[vast wolf]

tenos feet are clawed instead of hoofed though.

and teno really dosent need it as it would only affect smaller animals like utah or dilo.

[stray holly]

If a teno has that ability the carno would have to have it too though with its ram.

[keen reef]

It's more about the impact than the feet themselves really. Ostriches, Emus Ect can do major damage with clawed feet

Teno doesn't need any fracture but I wouldn't complain that much if it did

[stray holly]

If you headshot something with your ram you’d think you’d give it a concussion.

[vast wolf]

generally giving animals with hard cc fractures is a bit of a no. the reason deino wont have fractures is because it could just grab you and land a bite to your leg and your just dead.

pachys ram will probably do all kinds of fractures.

[keen reef]

And the proceed to spam alt+left click like a skilled gamer

[stray holly]

What is cc

[keen reef]

Crowd control

[vast wolf]

yep

stuns, knockups, knockdowns, grabs ect

fractures are also a form of crowd control.

especially leg fractures.

[stray holly]

Oh ok.

[keen reef]

Basically anything that restricts movement or removes someone from a fight for any period of time, is I guess not a bad way of describing it

[stray holly]

Ok gotcha.

[stray holly]

What do you think of this though?

[keen reef]

Carno charge would probably do fractures but I'd prefer if they fixed the shitty animation for the charge first lol

[vast wolf]

theres almost 0 chance carno gets fractures.
it would eliminate your chance of escape entirely when its already super low.

[stray holly]

I don’t see anything wrong with the charge animation looks wise, what do you mean?

[keen reef]

It rams things with its chin

[stray holly]

Oh. I’ve never looked at it from the front side I’ve always seen it from the back.

[keen reef]

Doing it like that on a heavier target would break its nose, jaw or both

[stray holly]

It’s always looked like it’s hitting things with its horns.

[keen reef]

It should really charge with the top of its head/the horns

[stray holly]

Yeah that makes sense I thought that’s how it was.

[vast wolf]

carnos head is on a bit of a wonky axis.

[keen reef]

The game is on a bit of a wonky axis

[stray holly]

It’s broken and it’s still better than Legacy

[keen reef]

For once in my life I disagree

[stray holly]

Really? How do?

How so?*

[keen reef]

Because evrima is unplayable rn, and I've had a shit ton of fun on Legacy

It's more of a charming game, it doesn't send you back 40ft for every 3 you take

It's just funner rn

[limber hull]

im playing carno atm, yep, the bastard kinda just chin slams ya

[jovial hazel]

Have you been playing the past few days? I've had no rubber banding since they wiped.

Evrima, that is.

[vast wolf]

carno the crimson chin confirmed?

[stray holly]

I disagree. Evrima is way more enjoyable than Legacy rn imo. The combat is better, the graphics are better.

[keen reef]

https://tenor.com/view/sakuragi-annnoy-coach-anzai-slam-dunk-bouncing-chin-gif-10217220

[stray holly]

The only thing legacy has over Evrima rn is the amount of dinos.

[limber hull]

i have to agree, legacy's combat and gameflow feel... Eh. Also I love the beauty of EVRIMA

[stray holly]

I haven’t touched Legacy once since I started on Evrima.

[keen reef]

I haven't had Internet for the past few days, moved house

[stray holly]

Evrima feels more like a survival game than Legacy to me. Legacy feels more like a battle royale most of the time.

But maybe it’s because I play on servers with rules idk

[vast wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/crimson-gif-5051678

its carno

[stray holly]

Lmao

It’s gonna be a rude wake up call for Legacy players when it’s shut down and only Evrima can be played.

[keen reef]

Legacy has all the things I want in an animal survival game apart from good combat, which is why I've played it more and more recently instead of only playing evrima

Meaningful ambushes
Proper nighttime system
Actual fear factor
Variety

Is it better than EVRIMA (at least if all the shit was fixed)? No

Do I care? No

[jovial hazel]

That seems kind of spiteful. Obviously people are still enjoying Legacy.

[keen reef]

I feel bad for legacy mains, cause if they're like me, they grew up with that, Evrima is not what they purchased, and they probably have a lot of nostalgia for the older version

The game isn't terrible like some people think it is, it's still fun and I'll be sad to see it go

[stray holly]

I know but it’s a completely different game from Legacy from my POV.

[keen reef]

I remember the Hypos in sandbox, the first time you could play as a tribal. I remember the small testing phases for things like Quetz. I remember the simple and charming maps

[stray holly]

It feels like every Dino has the exact same style of hunting, hide and wait till something walks by and get behind and tail ride it.

[stray holly]

I remember too, those were the good old days.

[stray holly]

In Evrima, the hunting styles are distinct between Utah and Carno and Deino by a mile.

[keen reef]

All in all, I remember when I loved this game

I enjoy evrima when it works, but I don't love it, and it seems like the more mechanics and ideas the devs leak, the less likely that love will be earnt

[stray holly]

I’ll miss it too. I remember when the Giga first came out and that was all I played I loved it so much.

[keen reef]

Yes, the combat is a lot better, and things have different attack styles, and that's a great thing

But I miss everything else

[keen reef]

I think I stopped playing some time before Dilo came out because my laptop died, but I know that I played a shit ton of Allo and Shant when I got the chance

[stray holly]

Yeah. Evrima will never measure up to the memories I’ve made with Legacy, but I’ll make new memories with Evrima.

I’ve followed the game basically since it came out. It’s come a long way but it definitely has a lot longer of a way to go.

[keen reef]

And hope they're at least good enough to last

[stray holly]

For sure.

[keen reef]

Omg I just realised it won't be long until evrimas 1st anniversary

Wait no, it has been Evrimas 1st anniversary, its July rn isn't it

[stray holly]

Yeh it’s July.

[keen reef]

That's depressing as hell

[stray holly]

How so?

[keen reef]

Cause its been out for a year, in Dev for more than a year, and this is all we have to show for it, rip

[stray holly]

Well, things like this take time. Especially if you’re starting from scratch like they did.

Compared to when Legacy first came out, the progress is massive.

[keen reef]

Of course, but at the same time

"Dondi did it in a cave, with a box of scraps"

[stray holly]

Lmao yeah.

Idk. I’m happy with how it’s coming now.

[keen reef]

Same but I wish it was coming faster you know

[stray holly]

It feels like the devs communicate a lot more with the community from what I remember.

[keen reef]

Instead of them adding more and more stuff to each update when they should really be keeping em short

[stray holly]

They did that a lot when the game first came out.

[vestal rune]

I mean, we have a fair amount of content for a year's work with a small dev team

[stray holly]

But I think it burned a lot of them out.

[keen reef]

Yeah clearly, they're all probably quite tired of this game

[vestal rune]

we're advancing much faster with evrima than we did with legacy, I do agree with the fact they shouldn't shove all this shit into one update

although the new roadmap is trying to avoid that

[keen reef]

Of course, they're at least trying to do a good job at adding little things at a time

[strange wave]

we have no real bleed heavy animals current

the best we have is utah

and utah is fucking deadly with bleed

bleed is more than fine

[keen reef]

Bleed is fine right now

[stray holly]

Yeah I prefer having less frequent, more optimized and game tested updates with minimal bugs compared to frequent updates that have plenty of bugs and don’t feel finished

[keen reef]

I hope they take a break from the game to just chill and think about how to go about things, but before that I want progress, which I'm glad they're making rn

[stray holly]

Man. I wish it didn’t take so long to make more suggestions I just thought of an interesting one.

What do you guys think of making the Utah have a reticle system for its pounce similar to the Hypsi’s reticle system for its spit?

[keen reef]

I'd say no because that only works for a shooter game like PC, and because you can't exactly hold pounce, I don't think you should be able to either

[stray holly]

I think if it’s gonna take me 3 seconds to recover from a failed pounce, I should be able to atleast aim it better.

[paper oriole]

Pounce is hard to miss right now unless lag fucks you over

[stray holly]

Or make the recovery time shorter.

[paper oriole]

It literally sockets you if you pounce a bad spot

You can pounce someones face and the game teleports you to their side

[stray holly]

That’s true.

I wonder how much more difficult it will be if you have to aim for the actual latch spot

On a moving target too.

[paper oriole]

I hope they rework it in the future so its actually aimed and the game doesnt hold your hand when you pounce on a danger zone

When desync is fixed though obviously

[stray holly]

Right now I aim the pounce using my head as the reticle. Which is ok, but something I feel could be improved.

[paper oriole]

Otherwise pounce would be a disaster

[stray holly]

Yeah. Maybe when desync is fixed they’ll be able to allow multiple people to latch onto a body to drag it too.

That’d probably be a nightmare to code though.

[paper oriole]

Yeah i think they mentioned it would be a bitch to code

Probably partially because all the terrain/colission on diff people carrying at the same time

It would make bodies go spaghetti

[limber hull]

pounce is really hard to land tbh

[stray holly]

Yeah and if you miss it’s pretty much a death sentence.

[limber hull]

yea that too

[stray holly]

Depending on what you’re pouncing of course

[limber hull]

oh yea

stego is very easy

carno, however

and dryo, holy shit

[stray holly]

All I know is I’ll never complain again about updates not being pushed or things being broken when they add the ability to carry babies.

I’ll be the happiest mf on the game

[wanton hull]

There are a bunch of hidden effect @barren zephyr
among them is stam regen which u might already know of. The devs seems to want to avoid players from bleeding their prey out like in legacy. Bleed will rarely be what kills you but it does effect your ability to defend yourself

[jovial hazel]

Blood definitely affects stam regen. Easily noticeable even at like 70% blood.

[flat crypt]

bleed is mad useful for tracking as well

the bleeding animal fleeing might not be taking damage from the bleed, but the blood they trail behind is super noticable with scent

[urban flax]

@glacial tree Devs can't do anything about this

[glacial tree]

Really? Oh well ignore me then, just me being dumb

[swift dew]

@finite valley is this a question to whether its in the game? or are you suggesting it

[finite valley]

suggesting if not in

[swift dew]

alright, its not but it definitly should

[keen vapor]

@barren zephyr when dondi said "lay down, go to sleep, and never wake the fuck back up." he clearly meant that your dinosaur was just going to die..

He didnt mean it that littearly

it was just a metaphore

and it sounded kinda funny

[hybrid matrix]

@finite valley I think it should only affect speed, not stamina

[urban flax]

Or only stamina and not speed

But both can become tedious really fast

[hybrid matrix]

yeah exactly

1 or the other

not both

[feral solstice]

^

[finite valley]

makes sense i like speed change

[hoary dawn]

kill own

[honest sparrow]

doesn’t matter

[barren zephyr]

If I

[feral solstice]

Kill my

[barren zephyr]

own

[vale pawn]

i will

[honest sparrow]

remain hungry

[jovial hazel]

It only affects stamina right now..

[bold palm]

Should be able to zoom out a bit more to see surroundings a bit better.

[bold palm]

wtf fix the dam hit boxes and lag.

[vast wolf]

how about for edmontonias attacks its charge is activated by holding down lmb when running like carnos.

[white rune]

I'd like the charge to feel like a car crashing on you

It is not particulary fast

like

I'd say something between 33 and 39 kmph

but if something small enough get caught in that

I know some people find it weird, but I thought a more forward oriented tyreophora would be fun

like, all others are backward oriented as their main defense

Anky and its club, Stego and its thagomizers, Kentro and its wall spike.

Then you have Edmontonia with large keratinous forward oriented shoulder spikes which could be used in a fight.

[vast wolf]

ive been advocating for edmontonia for a while

[white rune]

It can be a good addition to be honest and a more unique than some we will get

[vast wolf]

i just think it being able to smash into mid tiers at full force with those spikes would be great.

[white rune]

This thing is fairly able to defend itself to Acro sized animals

as osteoderms damage reduction goes brrr

and good damages

even if most of them should be with the shoulder rams

like, it does the most damages, fracture and bleed.

[vast wolf]

basically if you get stuck infront of the living freight train when its charging your getting severe leg/body fractures and a ton of bleed.

[white rune]

Kind of, but it wouldn't work the same as ceratopsians tbh. This is more like an hippopotamus charge like I said and not an elephant (Trike), rhino (Styraco), bison (Pachyrhino), bull (Dibble) or boar (Ava) charge

I feel like anyway I'll mostly do animal suggestion related, new addition and mechanic/unique feature.

For example, Edmontonia kinda add both with foraging even if I think some animals must be able to do that. But I added the side where it can also provide food for other animals.

I have an idea for Ava as it is in a very bad place tbh, not specifically fast, powerful or anything.

Must be my next one tbh.

I have for now 3 creatures that I'd like in the game that could find a nice place. One omnivore, a carnivore and an herbivore.

[vast wolf]

warthog ava that has a big cc headbutt vs small animals and the ability to rehome burrows has gained traction.

[paper oriole]

Who would want to spawn in a cage lol great gameplay

Also upvoting your own suggestion

[vale pawn]

spawn in worn down broken abandoned cages

[hoary dawn]

idk if the fortnite cage drop spawn system still planned

[paper oriole]

Microraptor and archaeopteryx are tiny af theyd be useless to the ecosystem

Its like adding a compy that can fly so it isnt worth interacting with and a compy would probably kick both of their asses in a 1v1

[muted fog]

Chungyuraptor I've heard is the bigger archeops

[honest sparrow]

Compy always wins the matchup so

[paper oriole]

Yeah changyuraptor is like 9lb and micro is maybe 2

[honest sparrow]

Changyu is probably the best choice for a gliding based pkayable

[paper oriole]

Changyu or shanag who is super fragmentary so they can get creative

Or a fictionalized balaur for an omni glider, since he is probably too stocky to be a glider without modifications

[steep warren]

Can yall help me think of ideas for the suggestion I just posted I need help thinking

[rugged quarry]

Prinosuchus or a phytosaur as a lower risk lower reward deino playstyle

[paper oriole]

Leeches could be removed by preening or by smaller animals for the big guys

Big dinos probably wouldnt even be affected by the amount of bleed caused by a leech so it wouldnt be too bad on them

[steep warren]

ye

[paper oriole]

It would be more of a cosmetic thing for large dinos, not really necessary but it could add some immersion

[steep warren]

I think it would be cool for the meds for tribals

[paper oriole]

Also i gotta...

Upvoting your own suggestion

[honest sparrow]

Preening could be cool as a different form of healing for some animals, in a limited way of course

[paper oriole]

Preening, dust baths, mineral springs and wallowing would be good variation

Instead of just wallowing

[barren zephyr]

Your catchphrase

[paper oriole]

Yes

[honest sparrow]

Signature catchphrase

[steep warren]

He got it copy past at all times

[vale pawn]

hes got his own button for it

[paper oriole]

word predict has it prepared for me lmao

[honest sparrow]

Different forms of healing that also help immersion 💪

[steep warren]

[paper oriole]

My legacy

[rugged quarry]

Add Pterodaustro so people stop complaining about how boring pteranodon is?

[vale pawn]

we need a "Not upvoting your own suggestion " person

[honest sparrow]

I don’t really see people complaining about how boring Ptera is

And daustro is even more boring

Legit afk flyer

[rugged quarry]

That’s why

[vale pawn]

i think pterano is fine

[rugged quarry]

It would be so unimaginably boring

[honest sparrow]

So your solution to make Ptera gameplay more engaging

[rugged quarry]

Yes

[honest sparrow]

Is to add something even more boring

[rugged quarry]

By proxy

[honest sparrow]

Instead of actually trying to improve it

[rugged quarry]

Yes

[paper oriole]

Daustro is the toothbrush filter feeder guy right

[honest sparrow]

Ingenious

Yes

[paper oriole]

Tupan would be better, daustro is kinda bordering on too small anyway

[honest sparrow]

Ye

[barren zephyr]

Doesn’t matter if he’s hungry

[rugged quarry]

I would play daustro if all fliers had jet controls. Flips and barrel rolls.

[paper oriole]

Id play daustro if its what we got as a flyer that isnt on the carni faction cus im desperate

But tupan would be

[vale pawn]

fruit pterosaur

🥭

[rugged quarry]

Monkeydactyl

[paper oriole]

Yes i wanna eat them treefruits

[rugged quarry]

🍌

[paper oriole]

Monkeydactyl is so puny

[rugged quarry]

Banan

[vale pawn]

🍎

[paper oriole]

Smaller than daustro

[vale pawn]

apl

[honest sparrow]

Monkedactyl is way too small

[rugged quarry]

I didn’t even know monkey was a thing

[paper oriole]

Monkeydactyl would be a more useless server slot occupation than compy

[rugged quarry]

Sounds fake

[vale pawn]

is monkeydactyl even its actual name

[rugged quarry]

I guess

[honest sparrow]

No

But everyone calls it that

[icy lion]

kunpengopterus is the real name

[paper oriole]

Microscopic

[paper oriole]

There is no reason for canis to be abke to cross communicate ingame unless its in sandbox, plus omnis being able to listen in on both. Mixpackers would love this and we dont need more of that

Herbi cross communication can also be abused, not as badly, maybe it could be a server option but not on officials

[drifting radish]

that leech suggestion.hurlifif I saw a leech on my dingo,I'd retch right then and there

just looking at the picture makes me nauseas

[paper oriole]

yeah theyre disgusting af lol

id imagine though that external parasites like ticks and leeches wouldnt be very detailed though at least

[urban flax]

@barren zephyr Bother reducing Dryo's speed and stamina would make it terrible
Carno is already the fastest playable in the game (except for Ptera) so giving it high stam would be op

Carno has a huge difference with an ostrich, in that that it weights 1.6 tons. Thus making it harder to sustain high speeds.

[barren zephyr]

I didn't say high stam, I think it should have average stam. it has long legs

[urban flax]

Long legs don't make high stam

And even average stam is too much

[barren zephyr]

its stam currently is pretty bad. I'm not asking for anything crazy. just slightly better than what we have

and less tenonto stam as well... they can run for like 5 minutes. if a carno is getting chased by a teno that really wants it, there's nothing it can do to get away. it will be out of stam in seconds and the teno will be right behind it

[urban flax]

Carno can get away and out of sight really easily tho

There is a logic rule in the game
Slower=more stam
Faster=less stam

[barren zephyr]

I'm aware

but tenonto has too much stam. carno has a hard time getting away from tenonto, even on full stam, because tenonto can run for many minutes and carno can only run for a few seconds

and it's not hard to be tracked, especially if you're out in the plains where there are few places to hide and no mud to wallow in

[urban flax]

I rarely see tenos chasing carnos tho, so that must not be that big of a problem

[barren zephyr]

I experience it every time I play carno without exception

and I usually end up dying, because they have a ridiculous amount of stam

teno stam was fine before. carno stam was a little too much before, but they didn't have to send it this far in the other direction

[urban flax]

You should change your suggestion to be about teno's stam and not dryo's then

[barren zephyr]

carno also has too little stamina. they should be more average

[urban flax]

They have enough stamina to run down everything, that's what they are supposed to do

[honest sparrow]

they have enough for a quick burst of speed and small chase against basically everything

and enough to essentially get out of danger a decent distance away if faced with tough opposition

[barren zephyr]

them having slightly better stam wouldn't be that much of a problem if they weren't so overpowered

I never heard anyone complain about it's stamina being to much prior to update 3. I think a lot of players are just fickle

[honest sparrow]

I like where carno stam is at the moment

[barren zephyr]

people don't want to admit when there's a balance problem so they defend the game where it is, no matter where it is

[honest sparrow]

no, I genuinely think its fine at the moment

[barren zephyr]

carno stam really isn't the issue to me anymore. no disrespect or anything, I'm just tired, but I elaborated and I don't feel like trying to paraphrase

[honest sparrow]

increase the stam drain on teno running, and make it have access to less kicks

[barren zephyr]

you are correct

[honest sparrow]

what

I'm trying to say that's what they should do

[barren zephyr]

I'm a doofus

I really am tired. I'm sorry

[honest sparrow]

all good

[barren zephyr]

it's just that I've seen people make that argument before and I didn't really get to articulate why then

I hope eventually they do a balance overhaul just to make sure everything is perfect. when you're changing lots of small parts in a system it can mess stuff up easily

[oak tapir]

@stray holly WHAT the fuck , that’s like a rhino knocking an elephant

Carno shouldn’t knock a teno even in the first place , it wasn’t built for ramming, and btw if a carno were to hit a stego and knock it down the carno would just break its neck and die in 3 seconds

[muted fog]

Good thing this is a game where we can have inaccurate mechanics. The carno knocking a tenonto seems plausible ingame. Good nuff imo.

Yall are arguing to give carnos buffs or tenontos buffs when they are already balanced. Literally considered one of the most balanced matchups in game.

[paper oriole]

carno shouldnt even be hunting things that size and it doesnt nee dmechanics to encourage it

there are other carnis to pick like cera (whenever it comes) and utah to fight larger animals

[muted fog]

Tenonto isnt that large comparative to carno. People will hunt animals they shouldnt, that's just how the game is.

A solo utah will hunt a stego, and deino hunts whatever even if they're on land.

Carno should have a balanced matchup against something that can outstam it and kill it in 4 hits.

Yes cerato will be able to hunt larger animals, I'd play cerato over carno any day. Until they rebalance carno (if they ever do, because imo it's not necessary though as a utah player I'm down for the damage nerf people are suggesting for carno) it should be when we have abit more of the roster to see how it compares.

[oak tapir]

@barren zephyr dryo’s whole thing in legacy was a stamina machine

[paper oriole]

When smaller animals comes it isnt really necessary, its just fine right now honestly

[barren zephyr]

yeah I'm not really concerned about how legacy worked in comparison. carno was also a stamina machine in legacy. things change

[white rune]

I mean

what's wrong about deleting unused parts of the map?

They'll never be touched and use performances

[urban flax]

"They'll never be touched"
How could you know ?

[low canopy]

imo the map shape itself is causing a lot of issues, like you got the portion in North East that basically consists of just a river across and then bunch of samey jungle on both sides for a bit till you hit a wall in terms of coast or mountain, there is no room to do anything interesting with that space

not to mention it goes on for so long that people wont bother moving up there ever since its death trap for carnis especially due to distance itself

[odd sedge]

That will be fixed tho

Map is getting reworked and diets will be implemented

[white rune]

Question : "any idea if and when we will get acess to the entire map at all?"
Answer : "nah, the entire map is 4 times bigger what it is now, makes no sense, too big, a better map is the goal"

@urban flax

like, legit just read

[urban flax]

Out of context that can mean anything

[white rune]

at this point, just delete the unused map

what?

[urban flax]

"We're doing a bigger map but we'll never let you play it because it's too big"

[white rune]

Someone asked if unused map will be accessible, Filipe basically answered no.

[urban flax]

The answer means that for now, a bigger map is useless.

[white rune]

It will always be

[urban flax]

Not when there's 56 pplayables+humans

[white rune]

reason why the guy asked "at all"

I mean

never all 56 playables will be played with 50 players in each faction

like

we will never get 300 player slots on officials

or 500

[low canopy]

it works if players are minority and AI is majority

[white rune]

which fills porely the entire Spiro map

Currently, it is already as large as V3. 16x16.

[white rune]

that's legit the moment of expectations vs reality.

[silent current]

I didn't know full map is not coming, but shouldn't be surprised i guess. Gonna be the same shitty hotspots all the time

[keen reef]

@steep warren what is difficult to understand?

[steep warren]

I dont fully understand what you mean can u explain to me in more detail

[keen reef]

I'm just asking if you like growth or dislike it

If you like it in the current state of the game use the tick- :white_check_mark:

If you don't use the X- :x:

[steep warren]

U mean growing your dinos?

[keen reef]

Yessir

[steep warren]

Without it what good would the game be

The whole point is to GROW eat and drink and survive

[keen reef]

No, I don't mean like getting rid of growth

Its more of a question of if it can be handled better or is good as it is right now

Growth is objectively a good idea, but some people think its handled poorly, and some people don't, I'm just asking what the community thinks about it

[steep warren]

k...?

il put a check then

[keen reef]

No worries, it's just a question

[barren zephyr]

I guess my only complaint with growth is that juvis and baby’s have little to no ways of escaping adult creatures and there basically free meals

[keen reef]

Understandable, it'd be nice you you reacted so I have a general idea of what people think

[barren zephyr]

Sure your a baby or kid and your probably gonna be weaker and slower than your adult counterpart but that doesn’t mean you should just “guess I’ll die” as soon as a adult sees you

My idea was from the cerato concept where we saw cerato hiding in a log big enough for the juvie. More stuff like trees you could hide under the roots or something along that

[keen reef]

@sour crescent facts

[sudden hinge]

You aren’t a free meal in forests whatsoever as a juvi or hatchling lol which is honestly where you should hangout while growing a lot of people play in populated areas and wonder why they die spawning at center

[keen reef]

Stego babies 1 calling at center River and wondering why they're dead

[sudden hinge]

It goes for any baby why spawn at center or south at all you are just that much more likely to be fodder

[keen reef]

Yeah but Stego babies do it a lot more than anything, you can't say they don't

Every 10 seconds it's ruuuuuuUUUUU

[barren zephyr]

Idk baby and juvie gameplay does need more than just finding a meal and eating

[white rune]

I didn't ask. Someone asked in #isle-discussion and get Filipe's answer.

[sudden hinge]

But that’s kinda the whole game for juvis? They aren’t old enough to do anything but that lol

[barren zephyr]

From a gameplay perspective only being able to just find food and not have anything else to do since you can’t really fight, can’t beat or any other stuff adults can do that’s a pretty bad gameplay perspective

Like it juvie Utah’s up to around sub stage are able to climb trees it gives them things there adult counterparts can’t do

Like making juvie creatures different than there adults besides just stats

I could even see juvie Rex having more stamina and be able to run pretty fast once it’s at its juvi stage and that all goes away once it’s a sub

[sudden hinge]

I don’t agree with this I can see some hatchlings and juvis doing this but they are still capable of hunting each other at different stages of growth they just can’t hunt adult things

[keen reef]

The first two stages of growth are supposed to be hard, I hope they don't do too much to things that don't need the early boost

[sudden hinge]

Like megalania babies should invade burrows and climb but I don’t think Utah’s should be able to climb adults vaulting up certain trees is fine but having them climb till sub is ridiculous

[barren zephyr]

Well not exactly sub. But between mid juvi to late juvi they can’t climb

Was the idea