general-feedback-discussion

[quiet estuary]

What

[crisp idol]

yeah that is nice when they are the half of the game

[ebon coyote]

There is a lore now?

[barren zephyr]

Ok, when your in first person and a herrera jumps you from a tree guess it’s not horror

[crisp idol]

that half can be done when the other half actually works and is ballanced

[quiet estuary]

Playing as the human is when youll experience the "horror" aspect of the game

[pliant token]

Rn humans are nothing relevant

[quiet estuary]

Always has been Nayla

[honest sparrow]

Always has been

[silver zephyr]

always have been

[crisp idol]

So how do you experience the lore in the game?

[barren zephyr]

Ok so I guess the rest of the roster isn’t relevant cause there not in development

[pliant token]

but who cares, they won't be there in like 2 years

[quiet estuary]

Currently via decoding things found on the loading screen

and other hints to said lore

[crisp idol]

the loading screen is not ingame

[ebon coyote]

Some are

[crisp idol]

Lore means it is actually IN the game

[pliant token]

lmfao right

[pliant token]

Like people making me repeat

[crisp idol]

if it is outside it is not lore it is framework

[pliant token]

or Fanfiction lmfao

[barren zephyr]

How are humans not relevant

[silver zephyr]

because I say they arent

[barren zephyr]

There literally half of the game

[pliant token]

didn't you read the whole discussion and decided to repeat that question again for the fifth time.. ?

[honest sparrow]

No because the game is realistic dino rp

[ebon coyote]

There was no official lore last time I looked it up, only a few people trying to explain.

[quiet estuary]

The loading screen, menu screen, etc are all found within the game

They are not things you interact when playing currently (outside of the morse code found in the old radio tower) but they exist and give hints to the lore which will hopefully be expanded upon with humans

[crisp idol]

yeah so focus on them when the other half is there and working

[silver zephyr]

I personally believe humans are irrelevant therefor they are

[quiet estuary]

that isnt what they are saying whtasoever fulgore

[somber gulch]

Yo u should change the troodon to sinornithosaurus because sinornithosaurus was like microraptor where it could glide and it had a venomous bite I only say switch to this because of the fact that herbies keep hiding in densly bushed and treed areas when I hunt them. if we had sinornithosaurus which could climb trees, glide off them, and have a venomous bite it could make the forest a not-so-good hiding spot as sinornithosauruses might drop down on you

[silver zephyr]

i know

[quiet estuary]

They are referring to what was sadi in a previous conversation

[crisp idol]

@quiet estuary are you kidding me? In every LOREDRIVEN game it is part to LEARN ABOUT THE LORE IN THE GAME not in the loading screen or a website

[quiet estuary]

I am not kidding you

Lore is lore as long as it is from an official source

[pliant token]

[crisp idol]

that is simply bullshit

[quiet estuary]

How?

[crisp idol]

sorry uncle cheech

[silver zephyr]

I'm sure they know that, they are probably waiting for humans and strains to implement said lore. imagine adding some deep lore atm when there is just some dinos a bird and a gator

[honest sparrow]

Sinornithosaurus didn’t have venom, and troodon isn’t going anywhere, it would be a cool playable in the far future but currently the roster is full

[barren zephyr]

Humans are relevant cause there half of the gameplay, Dino’s just have a bigger variety of things to play as but humans are a more challenging but thrilling experience

[crisp idol]

What do you think why you have in a lot of games ingame books, conversations and so on

[quiet estuary]

A game releases a comic to explain the events between two expansions

I guess that is not lore as it isnt found within the game

[crisp idol]

and not just loading screens or websites?

[pliant token]

tbh I thought troodon was like rat size but apparently its huge

[honest sparrow]

There’s a difference between having lore and being a lore driven game

[silver zephyr]

troo size (light green one)

[honest sparrow]

Troodon is 40 kg, not the biggest thing in the world but still there

[pliant token]

absolutely too big lmfao

[barren zephyr]

Compy is a French fry

[quiet estuary]

its small actually

unless its using stenon

[honest sparrow]

Quite small

[quiet estuary]

LAtenventarix is larger than that

[silver zephyr]

iirc its using stenon

[quiet estuary]

Ah

[pliant token]

Too big

[honest sparrow]

Almost like an extra small weight class

[silver zephyr]

[crisp idol]

I make a bet right now: When the humans are implemented into the game, it will take at LEAST 3 years to have a little bit of balancing and have them actual work

[honest sparrow]

How

[quiet estuary]

The devs historially are bad at balancing so I agree with you Aikeen

[honest sparrow]

^

[silver zephyr]

true lul

[crisp idol]

like the promieses "new dinos every few weeks after evrima"

[barren zephyr]

Humans will literally die all the time

[crisp idol]

yeah and you need to balance them

[quiet estuary]

but its good to add them now so they see the balancing issues and fix them as quickly as possible

By now i mean after all dinosaur core emchanicsare done

[barren zephyr]

Humans are gonna be very underpowered on purpose

[pliant token]

Too big for how powerfull they will be

[crisp idol]

you need to add a lot of systems to make them balanced

[honest sparrow]

What lmao

[crisp idol]

like looting OR crafting

[ebon coyote]

Well the game was running 100 years before they started Evrima with a few more dinosaurs xD And other games without humans "alive" are able to tell a story too, idk if I am allowed to say Names of other games here but in an really well made online game about a few ...atom bombs and war... u can find diffrent scenes that tell you the story by looking at it as a wanderer in this world.

[barren zephyr]

You don’t want something with A GUN to be able to kill anything it wants

[quiet estuary]

Well, we know they dont spawn with firearms aikeen

[honest sparrow]

Mercs are looting based

[quiet estuary]

and you need to actively search for them

[crisp idol]

on the same time you cannot make them OP with just giving them rifles or stuff

[pliant token]

yep that's what i told em

[honest sparrow]

You spawn in with a knife and flashlight and essentially have to scavenge from there

[quiet estuary]

Guns and their ammo are meant to be on the much rarer side from what ive been told

[honest sparrow]

To pose a threat you not only have to find a good gun but enough ammo so it’s not useless

[crisp idol]

what is the survival aspect of the humans then? what do they eat?

[barren zephyr]

Rations

[crisp idol]

random generated food laying around?

[pliant token]

lmao, dinosaurs poop

[quiet estuary]

Comedy

[honest sparrow]

The survival aspect of humans is that literally everything is out to kill you

[barren zephyr]

Filter there water or water bottles or something

[pliant token]

They'll eat our eggs alongside the ovis

[silver zephyr]

I dont think we actually know yet but its safe to assume stuff like rations, canned food, maybe fruits and the like.

[crisp idol]

oh so you merge 2 games into each other where both sides have different tasks

[honest sparrow]

Ysah

[barren zephyr]

Humans are supposed to make you scared of the Dino’s

[crisp idol]

yeah that sounds like a very good idea

and is not making a lot of hate between factions

smart

[quiet estuary]

Thats

[pliant token]

what does herbies has to care about humans beside if the human attack first

[quiet estuary]

hate should exist

[crisp idol]

iam talking about RL hate

[quiet estuary]

Why would humans and dinosaurs not dislike eachother

[crisp idol]

because both sides will complain a lot

NOT IN THE GAME

outside the game

[pliant token]

yeah

[quiet estuary]

Let them complain

[crisp idol]

"let them complain" xDDDD

[pliant token]

once they get a gun theyll start shooting everything lol

[honest sparrow]

Lot of people will kill humans for fun, and honestly, if I see a human with a gun I’m not taking my chances

[barren zephyr]

Humans will literally bring in a whole bunch of new players from ark probably

[quiet estuary]

I personally find it idiotic you complain over another faction trying to play the game

[low canopy]

i'm very curious about how they intend to "limit" mercs though, for dinos that limitation is growth, but what stops merc just spawn spamming endlessly and do their stuff

[ebon coyote]

I guess even herbs attack them because for me a human as an potential hunter would be a thread

[quiet estuary]

They make a loud noise -> attract things to kill them -> keep shooting and run out of ammo

die

[honest sparrow]

Basically resources

[pliant token]

I would kill them, just because they're humans. And I depsise Human race

[crisp idol]

seriously

those a misstakes A LOT of other games did

and died because of it

[quiet estuary]

What game are you talking about

[silver zephyr]

what games

[low canopy]

resources wont disappear even if you die, your "human" is just a husk used to achieve X

[pliant token]

just like 1 calling and people still do it

[crisp idol]

you need to UNITE a community not split them

[honest sparrow]

You will eventually run out of ammo, food and water, gasoline, gear, repairing stuff, etc and have to move

[quiet estuary]

nagini, one calling you can do instantly

Getting a firearm and finding plentiful ammoisnt

[barren zephyr]

Humans won’t have calls

[quiet estuary]

That isnt what they were saying salty

[ebon coyote]

Well like I say, they could hunt for meat and have a rifle or whatever so go for them

[barren zephyr]

Oh l

[honest sparrow]

If you die as a human you lose all your shit

[crisp idol]

Games like: Archeage, Lineage 2, Miscreated, DayZ, Rust, Hurtland, Salt

[pliant token]

that really had nothing to do with what were talking about tbh

[barren zephyr]

L

Oh

[crisp idol]

Scum

[honest sparrow]

I don’t think it despawns but I’d be mad if I lost all my shit

[crisp idol]

All those game fucked it up with splitting the community

[pliant token]

just like you lose all grow when you die as a dino

[honest sparrow]

Yes

[pliant token]

so why care

[honest sparrow]

It’s not primal carnage where it’s deathmatch shoot everything

[quiet estuary]

Splitting the community via ingame factions is fine as it literally exists already via herbivores and carnivores

[crisp idol]

No uncle cheech it is not

[pliant token]

Bet they'll start shooting all the babies on sight lol

[crisp idol]

because people fight outside

[honest sparrow]

And?

[ebon coyote]

You are not coming back as a toddler?

[pliant token]

awful

[crisp idol]

it is not like "yeah we will do this in game"

[quiet estuary]

I dont see how another faction, which may posibly have an even higher skillcap than the current ones

Will cause enough of a rift between the community to destroy this game

[barren zephyr]

Horror, terror when something scares the shit outta you. You get a free building to stay safe in (for the most part)

[crisp idol]

the community will become more and more toxic

[honest sparrow]

People go for babies all the time tho

[quiet estuary]

Killing children in this game is a smart move as it prevents them from growing into future threats

[pliant token]

thats really not what i was talking about

[quiet estuary]

but that doesnt matter in this discussion

[pliant token]

exactly, exept people don't have long ranges firearms

[quiet estuary]

yes, but long range firearms are meant to be difficult to get,
Both the ammo and the firearm itself

[crisp idol]

Best thing i have read about the negatives of being human "Lack of Nightvision"

[quiet estuary]

not only that but actually aiming at and hitting small target in the dense foliage, or a moving target will be difficult as well

[honest sparrow]

As well as apparent tarkov style ballistics to make hitting shots relatively hard

[pliant token]

whats the point of playing humans then, obv, even a cloud can kill you

[silver zephyr]

fun

[crisp idol]

yeah it is not like with screen and graphic controls you can overcome this easily

[pliant token]

besides when they get a firearm and then they can kill on sight for pleasure

[crisp idol]

LOOOOL

[pliant token]

[barren zephyr]

The point is you get a horror feel and a completely different gameplay experience

[quiet estuary]

These are issues which should eventually be fixed

[crisp idol]

@honest sparrow DOndi will NEVER EVER make gunhandling even CLOSE to tarkov

[pliant token]

fix the bugs and servers before implying anything related to humans pliz

[quiet estuary]

Yes

[barren zephyr]

They are

[quiet estuary]

fiox the bugs and servers before doing anything related to anything

[pliant token]

they arent

[quiet estuary]

which is idiotic

[barren zephyr]

I think a lot of people are forgetting this is a beta game

[honest sparrow]

I mean that’s the goal, I just said in a similar style, I never said it would surpass or be as good as tarkov

[pliant token]

exactly, no talk to me again about how well they invest their money and manage work time ?

[silver zephyr]

dont make any progress on the game, focus your efforts into something forever which will inevitably pop up again anyways

[pliant token]

now*

[honest sparrow]

Obviously there is no development going on for the dinosaurs

Or mechanics

Whatsoever

[ebon coyote]

I already do have a horror feel, like I say. go and get a nice drink down by the river and look into 30 hungry croc mouth. Never had this kind of thrill in the game ever

[barren zephyr]

Sadly you can’t fix it in one go, updates will always find a way to redo lag problems

[crisp idol]

Priority should be: Fix The bugs -> Bring back the features we already had (nesting, more dinos) -> Rework the Map (the actual one is very very bad from a gaming perspective view) -> Balance the Stuff -> AND AFTER THAT ALL ADD NEW SYSTEMS or FACTIONS

[quiet estuary]

I never sadi they were great at those two things

I just said that hiring a human developer isnt a problem there compared to them not focusing on the current major itssues as much

[pliant token]

stop replying to me if you're confused on what subject i'm talking about pls

[barren zephyr]

It’ll be even scarier when you ur walking through the woods and a herrera jumps down and bites your face off

[honest sparrow]

Na m8

[pliant token]

You were atrociously out of the point

[silver zephyr]

there is a person dedicated to mapping

[crisp idol]

True i get that, of course that guy should work on the map obviously BUT NOt JUST EXPAND it

[barren zephyr]

You can’t fix bugs and servers fully until game is fully done

[honest sparrow]

No wtf all of the devs work on humans and they waste al their money
I hate isle devs . . . . . . . . . . . .

[pliant token]

shouldnt expand it, should fix it

[crisp idol]

@barren zephyr You never have written a line of code, right?

[barren zephyr]

There doing more than expanding, there redoing the beaches

[frigid storm]

@tawny juniper love u

[silver zephyr]

they are fixing it?

[pliant token]

another useless thing

[silver zephyr]

they are redoing the current map, as evident in isle phase two

[crisp idol]

You ALLWAYS try to fix before you add

because adding things makes fixing harder

[silver zephyr]

they arent adding to the map ffs, jace is fixing it up

[quiet estuary]

Ide personally switch it around to this Aikeen

Most important: bug fixes/server fixes
2nd: Finish core mechanics for the dinosaur roster and add a small amount of dinosaurs in the process (like the current roadmap)
3rd: Add core mechanics for the human roster and eventually introduce some base humans
4th: balance everything now that we can see how all mechanics and factions iunteract with one another

The map can go anywhere here as its being done by a seperate dev who isnt slowing down the development of the other 4

[ebon coyote]

Yes, I miss a few more POI. I have a lot of the times the feeling im on the same spot, seeing the sam copy/paste palm tree. At V3 for example it was easier to navigate

[barren zephyr]

If you fix all the lag completely right now, the. What happens a couple updates down the line when something else gets the game to lag again. People complain. No matter what they do it won’t be fixed till the game is for the most part done

[pliant token]

Beaches are very useless until they put underwater ocean dinosaurs, it's a waste of time to work on beaches right now. They should work on fixing their poorly coded water animations at some places and finishing the swamps

[crisp idol]

@barren zephyr if then lag occures it is a new issue and your new code needs to be fixed

[barren zephyr]

Beaches will have more than just sand and water. There will be viable stuff to them

[barren zephyr]

Yes which is what there doing

[pliant token]

but it's vlueless, finish swamp already damnit

clueless*

[crisp idol]

No they are not

[silver zephyr]

jace is fixing up the whole map

[quiet estuary]

That all will be finished in the map update with what jace is doing

[crisp idol]

they are adding weather and generators with the next patch

that is ADDING

not fixing

[silver zephyr]

weather isnt next update

[pliant token]

theres not even a single hitbox underwater in the swamps

[crisp idol]

especially the generators are needed for what right now?

[paper oriole]

Oh no

[silver zephyr]

when was it said generators are next update?

[paper oriole]

The mild diarrhea suggestion returns

[barren zephyr]

They have already stated the rubberbanding and lag is something they have been working at alot and is one part of why update 3 took so long. They are trying to fix it

[crisp idol]

several youtube videos

[pliant token]

weather isnt even implied in their roadmap, what are you saying. it won't come in a long time

[quiet estuary]

Was it speculation or an actual dev quote aikeen

[crisp idol]

it was in several youtube videos

[tawny juniper]

what

[crisp idol]

and well

[silver zephyr]

any specific one?

[crisp idol]

dev videos are kinda rare

[silver zephyr]

source: "dude trust me"

[crisp idol]

wait i need to check my youtube history

[quiet estuary]

Dev quotes are what give actual information

[crisp idol]

gimme a minute

[quiet estuary]

if a youtuber says something do not take it as fact

Unless you see a dev quote pulled from #isle-discussion

found in that video

[low canopy]

youtube videos are not trustworthy, you need a dev confirmation and even that can be backtracked on

[silver zephyr]

I think punch said something about generators yesterday, idk if it had to do with any updates tho

[crisp idol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bziDv38HdAs

[pliant token]

Generate serotonin

[crisp idol]

And it would be way easier if the devs would actually make a weekly podcast or something like that

[ebon coyote]

Nah I have seen one of them too with weather and human buildings and got it the way that it will be the next update, Aikeen isnt that wrong. Maybe its pinned somewhere at the discord? idk

[icy lion]

those were never confirmed for the next update

[barren zephyr]

The roadmap updates show what they do each week

[quiet estuary]

I think the image with the power was just for the screenshot

[silver zephyr]

the video doesnt say anything about which update

[barren zephyr]

Weekly roadmap updates on Friday’s

[crisp idol]

it is one of them

but it makes no sense

[quiet estuary]

Ah wait i found the quote

[crisp idol]

dondi is the best dev ever

he does everything right

case closed

[quiet estuary]

What

So, the video has punch just saying yes to the existance of generators but not when itll occur

And weather was said to not be occuring next update

[crisp idol]

What different does it make in twhat update it is

[quiet estuary]

I think it was in old isle discussion which for some reason was archived

[crisp idol]

they are clearly working on both

instead of working on important stuff

[icy lion]

visualtech, the creator of human assets and buildings, is the only one that works on them

[silver zephyr]

what else is visual supposed to work on

[ebon coyote]

Well but why do they show it then ? xD I did got it that way too, I was like "Why does that have to be updated first now"

[crisp idol]

like the promised dinos?

[quiet estuary]

I havent seen aynthing to show mechanical functionality of generators, the models though I have seen which is what visuals job

[icy lion]

he does not do anything else, and no one else does his job

[silver zephyr]

visual makes human assets, such as buildings and firearms

[crisp idol]

and human assets are more important then making POIs on the map for example?

[pliant token]

Wish that money was invested in something usefull rn

[icy lion]

when new human assets are created, you can rest assured that no time was teken away from dinosaur creation, because those are the jobs of completely separate developers

[quiet estuary]

Human buildings are points of interests

[silver zephyr]

visual doesnt work on POIs inherentely, that would be jace the mapper

[pliant token]

They are because theres nothing to do rn

[icy lion]

the new mapper was hired only very recently, and as such we havent seen his work yet

[crisp idol]

so he does not even work on the map?

[icy lion]

what?

[crisp idol]

why is a guy hired for something FAR IN THE DISTANCE

[quiet estuary]

He makes models to be put on the map

[crisp idol]

fulgore said he does not work on POIs

[quiet estuary]

As they arent far in the distance as you see them being put ingame atm

[hoary dawn]

we have seen work from the level designer

[icy lion]

he works on human assets, some of which can be considered pois

[silver zephyr]

well not inherently no, he makes buildings to be buildings. but buildings serve as POIs

[crisp idol]

Humans will be when in the game?

[quiet estuary]

Human buildings are

[icy lion]

we dont know

[quiet estuary]

which function as points of interest

[crisp idol]

unless humans are in the game there is no need for human buildings

if the map is dull like it is right now

putting a few houses somewhere

does not change that

[pliant token]

I'd prefer a finished swamp than anything human

[silver zephyr]

visual doesnt work on the swamp

[pliant token]

the POI i want is the closed cave in swamp

[silver zephyr]

[icy lion]

those are worked on by separate people, and the mapper was hired only very recently

[ebon coyote]

But no natural POI for the landscape?

[crisp idol]

Yes, Swamps, Terrains, Caves, Rocks all that stuff

[quiet estuary]

we have those as well

[icy lion]

the mapper is very new, so we havent had the chance to see his work

[pliant token]

ik and i said i would prefer the money being invested in something more interesting and important as i stated multiple times

[silver zephyr]

jace the mapper will likely make intended POIs

[crisp idol]

if i go now into the game, make a screenshot i bet unless you can see the beach or a mountain, nobody can tell where iam

[icy lion]

well, currently its being invested in hiring and paying the new mapper

[quiet estuary]

which is a subjective argument which has been stated multiple times

[icy lion]

and throwing more money at the game doesnt necessarily help it

the isle is, and has been, actively hiring

[pliant token]

yes and i still can state my opinion, who cares

[quiet estuary]

The people who are having a discussion about whether or not something is worth adding to the game currently so the developers they hired are all actually working on things to progress the game care

[pliant token]

Just like your say about how humans are interesting, theyre not to me. Doesn't matter

you*

[crisp idol]

All human stuff is far away from being "needed" because it will take a long while until they are in the game. So the focus of work (and the people hired) should be focussed exactly on that what is needed now

not needed in a few years

WHEN the human are ther

[pliant token]

exactly what i said multiple times

[crisp idol]

That is like hiring your salespeople allready when you are still planing your business

[icy lion]

they are, currently all work is going into the dinosaurs unless the developer is ONLY working on humans

[ebon coyote]

I think the same way. I mean I did pay the full price too at steam to support this early access game and I would like to see money beeing invested more wisely on some parts

[icy lion]

of which we have 2 human developers

[pliant token]

yep.

[quiet estuary]

Nayla, I too think they should spend money better, such as hiring a network developer to aid in the server issues

But saying "just hire someone" is far more simple then the actual process

[crisp idol]

@icy lion i really do not want to be a dick but why are 2 people hired for HUMANS if obviously the coders and mapdesigners need work so 1 or 2 devs for that would have made more sense?

[icy lion]

like i said, they have hired a map designer, i believe have recently hired a network engineer, and, like i said, are still actively hiring

[pliant token]

Finance me ill go take a class and come back lmfao

[icy lion]

giving them money does not mean they will hire faster

[hoary dawn]

punch said they want humans this year

[quiet estuary]

the coders can do dinosaur things while the human people do human things
So when the coders are done with dinosaur things they can instantly begin work on human things

[icy lion]

its a matter of the applications they receive

[pliant token]

please no

[quiet estuary]

Lmao I always

Like thatll ever happen

[icy lion]

want=/=will

[crisp idol]

@hoary dawn Well they said a lot like "evrima will have in the first weeks the same amount of dinosaurs" 😉

[ebon coyote]

Well, they have had to find and interview the 2 human guys first too for example

[icy lion]

those were very old, and very misguided estimates. they have since rectified and rescinded those statements

[quiet estuary]

From what I know they are in the interviewing process for multiple devs currently Nayla

[pliant token]

To have humans in this game this year would imply immense work because the game is both very unpolished for dinosaurs mechanic quality and bot for humans mechanic quality

[low canopy]

the sooner you accept that this discord is used mostly just to contain venting from people like this the better, they have their vision and are set on it

[quiet estuary]

Which include things such as network coders

[silver zephyr]

pretty sure dondi has stated multiple times that money isnt an issue, so its not like a life or death situation of picking a mapper over a coder, or a human modeler over a mapper, etc. they hire who they think fits a role they need and fills it well

[swift dew]

money isnt their issue, its not that they have a certain amount of money and chose between human people and a net coder or something. its they have enough money, some human people that were qualified came up, they were hired, but a net coder has not come up, so no net coders were hired. (that is just an example, im not sure if they have hired a net coder or not)

[icy lion]

they were looking for all of these positions concurrently, so its likely its a matter of them simply finding a good candidate for human assets before they found an adequate mapper

[hoary dawn]

i dont see that as a reason to take anything they say as false, they've also said a lot of things that have come to fruition, there's no way of knowing until we see if they can keep their promise

[crisp idol]

@icy lion Well might be but how long is The isle now in Development? Why not making one step after another, FINISH the first tasks and then add others?

[icy lion]

what do you mean?

[quiet estuary]

He is saying finish dinos then add humans

[icy lion]

ah

[pliant token]

Go steal employees from EA and Ubisoft, they're all bored working on humans and sports.

[crisp idol]

I mean the game has no balance at the moment, the map needs a lot of rework, there are many dinos to add, the networking has serious issues

why not finishing all that first?

[ebon coyote]

finish dinos, map and fix server, then add humans is what hes saying

[icy lion]

well its fair to believe that the base mechanics for dinosaurs will be nearly if not completely finished by the time humans enter the picture

[crisp idol]

Readding the things like nesting

[quiet estuary]

Adding dinosaurs imo isnt as important as adding core mechanics

Which is what they are doing

[pliant token]

and finish swamps before beaches LMFAO

[icy lion]

here is the public roadmap for planned updates https://trello.com/b/G5tsb4XI/public-roadmap

as you can see, nesting and skins are in update 5

[quiet estuary]

Nagini, its completely possible the map developer has worked on swmaps already but we havent seen them yet

[pliant token]

yeah and it sadly takes forever 😢

[icy lion]

which will then be everything from legacy readded sans burrows, which need a much more major overhaul

[quiet estuary]

Quite

[hoary dawn]

the thing is they can do a lot of that stuff in tandem with other things since not every dev has the same job

[pliant token]

roadmap patches also sadly takes forever

[quiet estuary]

Yes

[silver zephyr]

does burrows even really count? its specific to only a couple dinos and not a main mechanic

[ebon coyote]

He needs to hurry then

[icy lion]

yup, mainly due to the size and complexity of these new things

[quiet estuary]

If only it were that simple

[pliant token]

lmfao

HURRY

[quiet estuary]

Ide love to see an interesting map
Proper biomes
etc

[pliant token]

ADD FISH TO SWAMPS

[crisp idol]

again: how was it with evrima? How often was it delayed? How much content was cut out? How often was said the content will come back? How often was said the bugs will be fixed

[quiet estuary]

but that isnt something easy

[icy lion]

i didnt really want to mention them but theyre technically a mechanic in legacy. barely.

[pliant token]

heres the deal

[crisp idol]

and what of that actually happened?

[ebon coyote]

I found one the one day xD

[icy lion]

what?

[pliant token]

HOW

[crisp idol]

evrima took waaaaaaaaay longer that first stated

[quiet estuary]

They spawn rarely in the swamp and the river right on the border

[ebon coyote]

Maybe it was a glitch? idk xD

[crisp idol]

then it was said the amount of dinosaurs will be the same + new ones

[pliant token]

the hitboxes are legit inexistant in swamps lmao can't imagine a fish

[icy lion]

what was first stated? are you referring to the "february" estimate?

[crisp idol]

then many dinos got cut it was said they will be readded quickly

[icy lion]

there was never a promise or expectation for all dinos to be available on release

[low canopy]

your sources are misleading af

[icy lion]

the plan was ALWAYS to have only utah and teno on the first iteration

[quiet estuary]

Super I think he is referring to the "a dino every 2-4 weeks"

[crisp idol]

Oh so dondi in his stream where i asked HIM was misleading?

okay

[pliant token]

don't make weather now, make the swamp cave accessible is my request xD

[quiet estuary]

Dondi never said all animals will be out on release
He did say they will all be added soon after
Which was wrong

[low canopy]

dondi is like zero trustworthy aswell

[crisp idol]

Dondi said there will be no dino lost due transfering to evrima

all the ones actually in the game will be in evrima

[quiet estuary]

There isnt
You can go to evrima then go back to legacy and you still have your animals

[pliant token]

theyre remaking every dino and im not quite sure they keep all the same species

[crisp idol]

That is not how he ment it

[ebon coyote]

But not at evrima

[quiet estuary]

Which is good

[crisp idol]

i asked "can i play all the dinos in evrima i can now ?"

[icy lion]

except for pue, my boy :(

[silver zephyr]

all of the legacy species are planned to come back besides pue

[crisp idol]

and the said "Yes there will be no dino lost due when we go to evrima"

means

all the dinos will be in evrima

which are not

[pliant token]

I didn't really play legacy so let me look up

[icy lion]

i feel like its safe to assume he meant in evrimas future

[icy lion]

puertasaurus, the big sauropod in sandbox

[pliant token]

ah a long neck dino

[icy lion]

yea

[silver zephyr]

worse brachi

[pliant token]

well theres somwhat magya

[icy lion]

that one's getting replaced by brachi, but as far as we know its the only one that isnt returning

[crisp idol]

so what about the "new dinos every 2 weeks" statement?

[quiet estuary]

I do not remember him sayign that whatsoever, I do remember the developers saying you do not lose animals when swapping between the branches
and that no animals (except pue) will be left in legacy

That was a wrong statement

[pliant token]

they should make bronto ai that just walk over us and kill us like that

lmao

[icy lion]

a bad overestimation of how easy evrima would be to create

as we've seen, its much more complicated than originally thought or expected

[pliant token]

Their team is just way too small for now

[crisp idol]

yes i get that

[pliant token]

go work for em

[ebon coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-mob-angry-mad-crowd-burning-gif-10965828

[crisp idol]

BUT

here comes the But

[ebon coyote]

Utah gets deleted? xD

[icy lion]

yup, which is why im glad theyre hiring, i hope they can find good applicants

[crisp idol]

I always kill my own #IsleMemes — heute um 04:17 Uhr
punch said they want humans this year

[pliant token]

i hope too

[quiet estuary]

Which is another idiotic exaggeration most likely

[crisp idol]

they have issues with adding in new dinos

[pliant token]

they should hire more admins too LMFAO

[crisp idol]

but the humans will be that year?

[icy lion]

admins are volunteers, not employees

[pliant token]

hire volunteers then lmfao

[quiet estuary]

That isnt

what

[silver zephyr]

[icy lion]

i dont think you know what volunteer means

[pliant token]

it's a joke, are yall this dense

[quiet estuary]

With how you have been acting in this converstaion
I assumed you didnt know what it meant

[barren zephyr]

Humans aren't making it this year
Unless they're adding in just the models
Way too much to implement in just the span of a few months when the other updates before aren't getting touched

[icy lion]

well ive seen people unironically say that so i have to take everything at face value in here lol

[pliant token]

oof

[pliant token]

how am I acting? having a different opinion as yours?

pretty immature if you ask

[crisp idol]

Is it really that much to ask to simply make an actual structure and Plan for the game and stick to it and not start doing stuff for the far future when there is a lot of work to be done beforemost?

[quiet estuary]

Having a different opinion is fine

[icy lion]

did you see the roadmap i sent you?

[ebon coyote]

I mean I would be happy with AI that actually works too

[crisp idol]

yes

[barren zephyr]

Yeah like the desync for one

[pliant token]

How I'm acting mister?

[icy lion]

there you go

[icy lion]

sadly desync and performance in general is a very complex issue, and a constantly ongoing process

[quiet estuary]

If i go into more detail I assume the mod that is currently in this channel will slap us around Nagini
So how about we do not

[pliant token]

Tell me about myself

[crisp idol]

and they lack a lot of important stuff

[icy lion]

it will never be something they can sit down and say "ok, lets fix desync right now and have it done with"

[pliant token]

wth are you even saying

[silver zephyr]

they are saying they dont want to get muted

[ebon coyote]

[pliant token]

I want a stranger to tell me more about how I am and my personnality

[silver zephyr]

I can sense the passive aggressiveness

[barren zephyr]

Stability still is something that must be doubled down on
Evrima's purpose was to have a stable structure going forward with new content unlike Legacy

[low canopy]

🙂 moment

[pliant token]

Yes I'm interested in strangers opinion about mew

me*

[icy lion]

yup, and trust me when i say that it is

[crisp idol]

@icy lion With update 4 there are 2 new systems which will bring more balancing issues, update 5 looks fine, update 6 will be another balancing horror

[pliant token]

Because apparently, ive been acting up

[quiet estuary]

I think the meaning behind my statement was quite clear

Anyways, as we can see they are adding the core dinosaur mechanics before they add major human playability options

[crisp idol]

so there is stuff added when there is right now a HUGE disballance

[silver zephyr]

thats how it is with a game in development

[icy lion]

balancing is.... pretty unrelated to the rest of this conversation id say

[pliant token]

lmfao, don't say things you can't stand up for.

[icy lion]

balance will always be a fluid, changing process

[crisp idol]

Yes but the more things you add the harder the balance will be

if you got no balancing at all

and you add more stuff

[silver zephyr]

Id love for stuff to be balanced now but I doubt as the game will be constantly changing and evolving in terms of stats and mechanics

[pliant token]

Quite simple way to have minimum decency in a conversation

[quiet estuary]

They balance thing as they add it aikeen

[crisp idol]

it will be nearly impossible to balance at all

[quiet estuary]

Via QA

[crisp idol]

no they do not

[icy lion]

well, everything is balanced as it's added

[ebon coyote]

Guys, dont fight - That doenst fix anything here

[crisp idol]

that is simply not the truth

[icy lion]

it is, actually

[quiet estuary]

Howso?

[crisp idol]

or do you count addind hitboxes to tailfeathers is a balance?

[icy lion]

its just that balance will change

[pliant token]

It's not like im the one who gaslighted lmao

[crisp idol]

Soooo the dinos right now are balanced?

[quiet estuary]

Most of them are yes

[ebon coyote]

Just follow the gaslights to the swamps

[quiet estuary]

carno i see a bit of issues with

same with stego

[icy lion]

in some ways yes, but balance is an opinion at the end of the day

[pliant token]

Mood

[quiet estuary]

but outside of that I dont se much issue

[silver zephyr]

note they said balanced as in the verb and not balanced as in the adjective

[ebon coyote]

😛

[icy lion]

everyone will have a different idea of what "balanced" is

[barren zephyr]

I'd say fairly so unless we're talking stego and deino

[crisp idol]

sooo explain me how the deino is balanced

with only advantages and only 1 semi disadvantage

[quiet estuary]

You can easily counterplay deino

[silver zephyr]

they said deino was balanced, not that it is

[pliant token]

Take off any apex on this list and put them as AI's that we can fight but are unplayable.

[quiet estuary]

Just drink at the mawssive shallow river

[crisp idol]

LOL

with a balanced game you do not need workarounds

[pliant token]

Add a rewarding thing for killing apex's

[quiet estuary]

Ive never had any issue with deinosuchus
Both as the animal and combatting the animal

[icy lion]

like i said, everyones definition of "balance" is their own opinion

[crisp idol]

or just "runaway from them"

[quiet estuary]

yes, run away from the incredibly slow and low stamina creature on land

[ebon coyote]

O no, I like people playing Apexes even If I prefer mid tier

[icy lion]

and i dont see how this relates to the previous conversation

or any of the posts in feedback currently

[quiet estuary]

Super I think it has to do withhumans and how they wont be balanced when they add them

[crisp idol]

Because Balancing is important work which is obviously not done

[low canopy]

its just venting, been for a while

[crisp idol]

you have 1 superior Dino

[pliant token]

yeah but it's also annoying, because now the maps are clustered in deinos and nothing else

[crisp idol]

and you have 1 total victim

[icy lion]

well, yes, its an apex

[crisp idol]

that is NOT balanced at all

[icy lion]

im not going to get mad that a rex might 1shot my utah lmao

[quiet estuary]

That is balanced as you can avoid the thing that will kill you

With ease

[pliant token]

Put apex even stronger but ai only and give us achievments for killing them

[crisp idol]

that is not was balancing means uncle cheech

[icy lion]

i agree that deinosuchus shouldnt have been added this early but for what it is id say its not bad at the moment

[quiet estuary]

If a creature is incredibly powerful but has lots of counterplay
That creature is balanced

[crisp idol]

balancing means that you have a chance to encounter it with a chance of winning

[icy lion]

no

[quiet estuary]

no

not at all

[crisp idol]

of course

[brazen hedge]

No

[pliant token]

tbh, because of deinos, spinos should have a reduced grow timer

[quiet estuary]

A utah should not be able to kill a deinosuchus

Or a rex

[icy lion]

compy will not be expected to have a chance of winning against a rex

[quiet estuary]

^

Etc

[icy lion]

that is not what balance is

[crisp idol]

but a rex should could kill a deino

[quiet estuary]

yes

[ebon coyote]

Well u need to drink and at some servers I even watched the water a bit and tried to drink far from everything, I have had the luck to run into a deino 8/10 because it seems like everyone plays the croc and the water is stuffed

[crisp idol]

or be able to

[silver zephyr]

well yeah

[quiet estuary]

If the deino is on land the rex should have the chance to kill it and the opposite

[barren zephyr]

I think alt bite is just the issue for deino
Deino is a fucking beyblade and can go steal kills no matter the pack sizes because of it's alt bite
He's even more viable in combat on land then a Stego is

[crisp idol]

of course a utah alone should not kill it

[quiet estuary]

i dont think anyone disagrees

[crisp idol]

but even a pack of utahs have a hard time with a deino

[icy lion]

deinos alt bite needs a stam cost imo

[quiet estuary]

Good

[icy lion]

yes, exactly

[quiet estuary]

a pack of utahs should have a hard time

[crisp idol]

a pack of utahs could take down a rex in legacy

[pliant token]

tbh if i play deinos im unstoppable exept by a group of cannibals

[quiet estuary]

Which was idiotic

[icy lion]

thats a horrible idea of balance

[crisp idol]

no exactly that it is how should be

[barren zephyr]

Depends on the pack size

[crisp idol]

or else you can call it apex isle

[icy lion]

legacy in general, by and far, was absolutely atrocious in the balance department

[silver zephyr]

how big of a pack are we talking?

[barren zephyr]

And the intelligence of the players

[quiet estuary]

2 with assriding fulgore lmao

[silver zephyr]

[icy lion]

1*

[quiet estuary]

The word pack was mentioned super

[icy lion]

true

legacy balance was for lack of a better term a shitshow

[ebon coyote]

Yes thats the point, if hes more heavy its insta death. I playes one to 100% and Deino is just sit and chill, a bit of canibalism and everything you see getting a drink is yours, instant.

[pliant token]

pack of troodons should be able to tho lmfao,

just poison the stupid rex until it dies

[silver zephyr]

able to do what

[crisp idol]

you cannot even attack a deino from behind be cause he can flip quickly on land

[quiet estuary]

But yea using legacy as a comparison for balance for evrima is idiotic

[icy lion]

depends on how their venom works at that point

[silver zephyr]

rex could just walk over the troos

[ebon coyote]

At the legacy maps if u see Giga or Rex u have at least the chance to run away, hide and stuff.

[pliant token]

yes, deinos are too flexible and easy to play for how strong they are

[quiet estuary]

You do now as well

Hell much more

[pliant token]

At this rate it should have been sarcos

[quiet estuary]

Deinos only main balance issue is the alt bite

but its pretty fine outside of that

[crisp idol]

Deinos should be killers in the water without any regard

sure

[quiet estuary]

yes, until spino is in

[crisp idol]

they should oneshot all the small ones while being in the water

[quiet estuary]

Yes

Exactly that

[brazen hedge]

Well, yes

[pliant token]

exept, as a deino i can take any pack outside of water

[crisp idol]

but on land they should be close to be helpless for more then 2 utahs or sort

[quiet estuary]

No

[icy lion]

what

[silver zephyr]

ehhhhh

[quiet estuary]

that is a 8 ton animal
it shouldnt be fodder to two half ton animals

[crisp idol]

they have the SUPER advantage to stick in the water and oneshot nearly everything

[silver zephyr]

3 utahs taking down an 8 ton gator is a bit much

[quiet estuary]

And aikeen?

[ebon coyote]

And no real enemy if u are grown up because of lack of other apexes. Rex can be hunted by a Giga or pair of giga for example, like I say - I did play an 100% grown Deino and nothing could harm me

[quiet estuary]

And that isnt an issue

for two reasons

[crisp idol]

the only enemy of a full grown deino is another full grown deino

it is a problem because there is no limitation of how many deinos can be on a server

[pliant token]

yeah the only issue w deinos is there is no apex to compete beside "stegos" which have a grow rate too slow to compete them and can be easily killed in a 1v1 agaisnt a deino

[barren zephyr]

Nah, it should be a water apex
Not superior then Stego currently is on land in fights (Stego beats a deino 1v1 on land, yet you can alt bite the hitboxes and win fights as deino rn) Deino has better matchups where he's not in his element.
I'm not advocating for land deino genocide, just something to add pressure or for them to be harassed back into the water.
Even in the water, it's essentially invincible to other playable matchups. Which is how it should be, but it's fairly easy rn since there's no real challenge other than other deinos

[crisp idol]

you have 80% of deinos

[ebon coyote]

And they usually dont dare to go for you because they are scared to lose 6 h of work xD

[quiet estuary]

1: Deino covers a very miniscule area of the map currently, its very easy to counterplay the lunge or a land one
2: Cannibalism and starvation can aid in population control, cannibalims for obvious reasons and starvation for reason number 1

[pliant token]

yes, issues is now a deino can win 1v1 agaisnt anything rn, should win, if you don't, you have skills issues

[crisp idol]

that statement is stupid

[quiet estuary]

Why?

[crisp idol]

balancing is not "Accept they are op so run away"

[icy lion]

its an apex

and nothing in the roster other than stego is really in that ballpark

[quiet estuary]

it is when you are not another very large animal aikeen

[silver zephyr]

can depend, for smaller creatures that is 100% the play they should take

[crisp idol]

yeah but it is an super apex with the maximum advantage of being able to fight in the water and oneshot everything in the water

[pliant token]

stego isnt even comparable to deino rn

[icy lion]

once more large creatures are added, deino will have a harder time

[quiet estuary]

Stego has collision problems

[crisp idol]

Yeah in the future

iam talking about RIGHT NOW

[silver zephyr]

hence why balancing everything perfectly for right now is meh

[pliant token]

its ok if you want apexes, but we need another apex asap and they arent coming in a long time so deinos will stay solo apex for a loooooong period of time

[quiet estuary]

Right now, the only balance problem I see with deino is being able to bite throu8gh stegos hitbox and getting the head due to lack of collision

[icy lion]

imo the roster is too small and lopsided for it to have a chance of being perfectly balanced

[quiet estuary]

Every other creature can easily survive against deino unless they get themselves lunged

[crisp idol]

oh you can totally balance the deino easily

take away his super speed turns on land

[ebon coyote]

Well, yes but like I feel there are too many Deinos atm and I would love to see some other apex beeing able to outplay him

[pliant token]

rex isn't even in the roadmap so we don't have any apex to compete with deino for a good ole period of time

[barren zephyr]

Stego does get dunked on ever since the deino's discovered it's fucky collision
They can now alt bite through it and hit it's head, outright winning fights usually on land where that shouldn't be the case.

[quiet estuary]

Deino alt bite is fine, it just needs stam drain

yes

[icy lion]

well technically its listed as ai, but we'll see how that goes

[quiet estuary]

collision is the problem there though
not deino itself nacen

[silver zephyr]

oh yeah there def is too many deinos

[crisp idol]

or a mad idea

[quiet estuary]

Imo they should lower deinos hunger time to promote morec cannibalism

[icy lion]

ideally diets for deinos will be rough

[crisp idol]

how about simply limiting apex slots?

[silver zephyr]

but thats just bound to happen based on its popularity and thta its a big carni

[quiet estuary]

God no

[silver zephyr]

no

[quiet estuary]

clans would control apex populations

[pliant token]

ai's will get rekt by players. they already are lagging

[crisp idol]

and uncle?

then look for another server

"accept they are op and just dodge them"

same like you said

[silver zephyr]

???????

[crisp idol]

counterplay is switchting server then

[quiet estuary]

This isnt a playable animal

[icy lion]

thats.... not counterplay

[barren zephyr]

I'm fine if alt bite just gets stam drain
It just looks ridiculous seeing deinos spin on a dime with no consequence

[pliant token]

i vote for deinos to be ai only aswell until we have 2 former apex to be played :B

[quiet estuary]

this isbeing forced to play a creature you dont like or being forced to play elsewhere even though you have friends or something on another server

[pliant token]

that would also regulate the overcrowded population of deinos

[crisp idol]

oh yeah that is totally different

[ebon coyote]

Right now, yes. I have had experiences with snapping AI and it was rubber banding away or didnt react at all, both frustrating

[silver zephyr]

oh boy I cant wait to play spino today, would be a shame if there was a clan hogging all the spots

[quiet estuary]

It is very different

[crisp idol]

to be not able to play the dino you want because deinos are super op

makes sense

[pliant token]

yep they arent funvtionning right

[icy lion]

the only problem with making deinos ai only currently is the community would go absolutely bonkers

[quiet estuary]

you can play anything you want in evrim atm and avoid deinos

[silver zephyr]

isnt there like a massive shallow river?

[quiet estuary]

Yes

[crisp idol]

yeah and you can switch the server or get a private server and play deino there then 🙂

[quiet estuary]

yes

[barren zephyr]

Sad that Sucho got shafted from update 3
Sucho would alleviate a lot of the deino overpopulation, and they wouldn't just be chilling to adult as often they are.

[pliant token]

yes because the community is a bunch of manchild that won't play anything that can't one shot everything

[quiet estuary]

the solution is I have to pay money to own my own server to play the animal i want to play

or play on a server with idiotic rules or somewhere my friends arent

Because a clan took control of the apexs

A better solution is to make deino harder to grow

[crisp idol]

yeah that is exactly the same like when a server is overrun by deinos

[quiet estuary]

And make cannibalism more rampant, but add better counterplay to reward good play

[quiet estuary]

it isnt

[crisp idol]

it would be simple to take away the super op dino

[silver zephyr]

just go to the shallow river

[crisp idol]

until they are competetors to him

[silver zephyr]

or shallow spots to drink and travel across

[ebon coyote]

Thats why we made Dilo groups at the one server to hunt Apaxes down, there was the same issue - No Herbs and 80% Rexes and Giga

[barren zephyr]

I think making padding out growth is a band aid fix
We'll still see those clans dominate, and it'd just make it harder for the average player to grow and challenge them.

[pliant token]

imagine when beipi will come in and the only apex still there is deinos. so we will still have waters INFESTED of deinos and won't be able to ever eat

[silver zephyr]

thats also assuming the map wont be entirely different by the time beipi gets added

[pliant token]

not that i disagree with deinos in general, i just disagree with it being the only apex, making the player base only playing that dino

[quiet estuary]

Beipi will most likely come by the time the map allows for small aquatics to hide 10x more effectively

Deinos addition this early was bad

[silver zephyr]

underwater foliage

[quiet estuary]

But I feel people make a way larger deal out of it that it should be

[pliant token]

why reworking the entire map again? waste of time, besides adding different food

[quiet estuary]

Because they hired an actual map dev who can make it good

[silver zephyr]

so the map isnt ass, they hired a new mapper for a reason

[pliant token]

the swamps are already made for that

[crisp idol]

yeah why making this huge oversized map where everything looks the same and has really ugly boarders

instead of converting one of the old ones?

[quiet estuary]

Thats what he map dev will fix aikeen

[pliant token]

but still doesnt change the fact, it will be infested of deinos.... because people can't play anything else

[barren zephyr]

There's never fish in the swamps rn tho lmao

[pliant token]

ik they never finished the swamps

[quiet estuary]

Currently people can play anything else and survive

[crisp idol]

@quiet estuary Why the new map in the first place when it is so bad?

[silver zephyr]

we dont know how the mapper will design the waterways, there may be many nooks and crannies for beipis to hide in and potentially underwater foliage

[icy lion]

what new map? you mean spiro?

[pliant token]

because theyre not aquatic animals, what is this logic even

[quiet estuary]

I dont know Aikeen, most likely due ot the fact the older maps were mostly ass

[silver zephyr]

rushed out for evrimas launch because spero wouldnt work

[icy lion]

i think they just wanted to move on from v3

and yea, spero had more work done but was too big

[quiet estuary]

I was applying it to current evrima which was what the above balance convo was related to mb

they thought v3 was ass (which I agree with)
thenyaw i will miss though

[pliant token]

it already is the case in the swamps, just 0 hitboxes yet.

[silver zephyr]

iirc thenyaw was being remade by dinosauriac before they left, I hope we still get it

[pliant token]

0 hitboxes, 0 food.

[crisp idol]

And how about the flying

[quiet estuary]

Iirc the swamp underwater foliage did used to have hitboxes

[crisp idol]

will you really tell me that all of that is working as intended?

[silver zephyr]

the flying seems fine to me

[quiet estuary]

Flying works pretty well atm
idk what bugs you are encountering

[pliant token]

well they cancelled their whole codings ? lmao

[barren zephyr]

Sucho needs to come with Beipi though in a package
Otherwise you're just throwing Beipi down in the gator canal

[pliant token]

it really doesnt have any hitboxes

[quiet estuary]

Currently no

[pliant token]

exactly

[quiet estuary]

It used to
I remember sitting on that lil log poking out when update 3 first was added

[crisp idol]

oh that flying in the game is super balanced and realistig

*realistic

i see

[silver zephyr]

is that sarcasm, or?

[quiet estuary]

Balanced yes
Realistic ehhh

[pliant token]

but tbh, swamps are much more viable for beipi rn they just need to finish it once and for all

[quiet estuary]

The main balance issue with ptera imo is the skimming as it can practically live forever without interacting with other creatures by just skimming

[limber hull]

what is it with you and Generation Zero, every time I see you talk about humans, GZ is mentioned an absurd amount

[silver zephyr]

derptah moment

[crisp idol]

how is it balanced when it drains way to many stamina, when you lag your start fucks up and your stamina is gone, if you fail on the dive for a fish you are fucked because stamina is gone, you have nearly no spot to land except open land where all others kill you easily

that is working as intended?

[quiet estuary]

Wave iirc they made it so the human faction selection screen options are Generation 1 and 2

[crisp idol]

ok well then it actually really looksl ike i need to talk to steam about a refund possibility

[silver zephyr]

the stam drain is fine, as a fresh spawn you can still go pretty far

[barren zephyr]

Swamps do need work yes, but with sucho there as well. This would not make Beipi dependent on swamps and able to inhabit rivers too.

[quiet estuary]

Aikeen stam management as ptera is very simple
lots of places you can land easily and escape easily

[pliant token]

they mostly need to fix palm trees hitboxes so we can land on them without being floating 6 feet over

[crisp idol]

"lots of places you can land" ?

Are we even playing the same game?

[silver zephyr]

rocks, trees

[quiet estuary]

Yes

rocks, trees, anywhere on the ground you know isnt right next to a threat

[crisp idol]

i was never able to land on trees

and all the streamers i say neither

[quiet estuary]

You can, its just hard to learn

[honest sparrow]

rocks, trees, cliffs, the ground

[silver zephyr]

its kinda tricky to land on a tree but you can

[barren zephyr]

I find it easy to land on mountains as Ptera given the time.
Trees are just weird tho

[ebon coyote]

Well I did Snack fishing ones easy and I think they should have more stam

[pliant token]

tbh, much easier near water, pretty empty other places. In fields, you can relay on palm but as I said earlier, their hitboxes is atrocious

[silver zephyr]

I just lay on rocks and pray a utah doesnt climb up

[quiet estuary]

I just sit in a field

[silver zephyr]

[honest sparrow]

I just land wherever and hope for the best

[crisp idol]

yeah uncle cheech you can do everything, and the game is perfect we know that

[quiet estuary]

if you actually look around before you land in a field you dont have problems

I can do everything now?
Well thats good news

[pliant token]

Stam management is easy once you hit juvi. but hatchling is horrible lmao

[honest sparrow]

as a certified ptera mian I can say flight is perfectly fine

[pliant token]

I never land on ground and a ptera shouldnt have to.

[crisp idol]

plus finding fishes atm is just a lottery

[quiet estuary]

yes

it should have to

[honest sparrow]

yes it should

[barren zephyr]

Grass and bushes are big enough to hide in as long as now one see's you landing
And that's fine if you're scouting out the area first

[pliant token]

no it shouldnt have to land in the middle of a field.

[honest sparrow]

making a playable basically untouchable is essentially no fun

[crisp idol]

@barren zephyr or they turn foilage off

[quiet estuary]

Land on a rock nagini

[honest sparrow]

that's on you for landing in an open field then

[barren zephyr]

Time to ban low end graphics then

[quiet estuary]

Or a mountain

[crisp idol]

it is not about low graphics

[quiet estuary]

or anywhere that isnt a field

[pliant token]

I never do tho. I was replying to mister Cheech that's all

[crisp idol]

in every game you can disable the foilage

[icy lion]

if you aim it right you can even land in trees, but it takes some practice

[ebon coyote]

At some Point you have to land If U Out of stam and then you can pray to god

[crisp idol]

sometimes a setting sometimes a bit ini or config editing

[barren zephyr]

Quick question
Would turning off foliage be cheating? or no
What's the consensus

[quiet estuary]

If you are out of stam use the height you gained to glide to somewhere hidden

God no

[pliant token]

As I stated earlier, palm trees are viable landing areas but have non-viable hitboxes

[quiet estuary]

people have crappy computers

[crisp idol]

@barren zephyr does not change my gameplay when half of the people have turned it off and i died of them

and yes it is that many, just watch the streams

[barren zephyr]

Yeah that's why I'm asking

[quiet estuary]

Idk if the isle actually lets you fully turn off foliage though. I think they just go lower res. But i havent tested it so not 100% sure

at least in evrima

legacy I remember the lack of foliage being easily abusable

[pliant token]

turning off foliage shouldnt be an option, if your computer is so bad you can't play with foliage, just don't play at all

[barren zephyr]

Hmm

[crisp idol]

i have not looked into it how to do it, but a streamer said it is editing of a config file

and takes about 2 mins

[quiet estuary]

There are methods to stop the foliage thing

Instead of removing foliage completely just have them function as "billboards"

they arent 3d and always face you

[icy lion]

im 99% sure thats a bannable offense

[crisp idol]

there are better ways

how about a simply spotting mechanic like many games have?

[icy lion]

so if you could lead me to that stream thatd be pleasant

[crisp idol]

i will when i see it next time superlunary

args

[icy lion]

ty

[crisp idol]

of course not donkey

[silver zephyr]

poor donkey

[honest sparrow]

donkey is a good character change my mind

[limber hull]

btw i am not a fan of this game having silencers, or really any attachments tbh. There should be a considerable sound to firing a weapon, that needs to be the drawback for having an extremely powerful ranged attack, having an attachment to remove that ruins a huge point. Also NV scopes and infared scopes seem completely fucked conceptually and not at all balanced for the game.

Also "sneaky pants" is fucking hilarious but overall, it's pretty ridiculous that you have to choose between camo pants and pants that make less pants sounds. Loadouts are not explained at all, only you just said "GZ does this", giving little to no understanding of how it'd work in the Isle. Item quality sounds weird from a conceptual standpoint and honestly, I do not see how this would work in a game like this. Focus on what the Isle should do, just because you like Generation Zero does not mean this game should recreate it lmao.

[pliant token]

Oh I got a question

[barren zephyr]

I think if people's rig's are so bad they have to remove foliage, their bad hardware shouldn't effect the playables viability nor the experience of the playerbase

[quiet estuary]

wave wouldnt it be best to ping derptah there

[honest sparrow]

the only attachments should be scopes that are already on certain weapons tbh

[quiet estuary]

As he currenlty isnt in the conversation

[hybrid matrix]

no

[quiet estuary]

Nvm then

[hybrid matrix]

hello there

[crisp idol]

The problem with all PvP games is: Nightvision/Darkness, stuff like foilage can allways be easily bypassed

[quiet estuary]

Lol

[limber hull]

i know he's watching

[pliant token]

Are we going to have a better sound effects on carno's foot stamps ? because when you run in specific areas you can be like 98% silent

[limber hull]

lmao

[crisp idol]

same goes like not having a crosshair

[hybrid matrix]

you sense a disturbance in the force?

[tidal hill]

I'm afraid about humans, I don't wanna lose my 4 hours fresh sub rex dying by a 1 shot sniper 50 Km away 😭

[crisp idol]

modern monitors can turn every "night" in a game into day

[barren zephyr]

That's why people are still on the fence about them

[quiet estuary]

YOu can fix that by adding just a black sphere around the character you cannot see past after a certian time of day

[pliant token]

yeah i don't want them either

[silver zephyr]

hopefully humans dont get snipers

[hybrid matrix]

yeah i definitely didnt go into enough details
gen 0 silencers are pretty shitty

[crisp idol]

@quiet estuary No you cant because then you cannot see lights outside of it

[barren zephyr]

Snipers in open worlds are cringe

[hybrid matrix]

they dont make ur gun quiet, they just muffle them a little

[limber hull]

i entirely agree. Heavily against snipers

[tidal hill]

It's unfair !

[hybrid matrix]

thats what im looking for with silencers

[pliant token]

makes them quiet in distance tho

[limber hull]

Shotguns are much better for this game

[honest sparrow]

I mean I have plenty of ideas on how to balance snipers but imma not do that rn

[crisp idol]

oh yeah shotguns with a safe house

[pliant token]

shotguns and hand guns and maybe semi automatic riffles that are small

[crisp idol]

you just chill and wait until a poor dino comes by

[quiet estuary]

Why not the black sphere but lights can pass through it and only lights

Safehouses lol

that would be idiotic

[barren zephyr]

Snipers can be balanced but it'd be tricky to find it. Especially considering how they function mostly.

[tidal hill]

Imagine we bringing those guys from CoD and CS to kill our dinos like literally for fun ! And we have no chance that's the main problem !

[crisp idol]

@quiet estuary for that you need raytracing. if it is not raytracing then light in a game is not actually light

[pliant token]

imagine being a bird and just flying peacefully and getting sniped

[limber hull]

eh, I really don't like silencers or attachments for this game. I'd prefer firing the weapon carries considerable risk due to its massive sound. The game is heavily based less on seeing your opponent and more smelling/hearing them in order to find them. Humans camping in heavy foliage and taking potshots at dinos with silenced rifles sounds like a boring time for all

[quiet estuary]

good food right there nagini

[hybrid matrix]

buddy
a bear can take a bullet to the face

[pliant token]

sad

[quiet estuary]

If snipers are added they should only be obtainable via things which make the humans locations extremely visible

Such as a drop pack or something

[barren zephyr]

Imagine resting on top of a hill as Teno and a human pulls up and frags you with a grenade

[honest sparrow]

as a massive sniper fan do you mind if I just ramble for a bit

[crisp idol]

oh yeah lets put in drop packs

[barren zephyr]

Sure

[crisp idol]

and then a battle royal mode also!

[hybrid matrix]

trust me wave, in gen 0, even with a silencer, ive alerted enemies that were pretty damn far

[tidal hill]

Indeed, but there's no bear weapons I guess

[pliant token]

[quiet estuary]

Drop packs are fine for humans imo aikeen

[tidal hill]

will be stronger calibers

[pliant token]

tbh if this becomes like cod...

[crisp idol]

and they magically appear @quiet estuary

[quiet estuary]

Easily visible
Lots of noise
Attract humans andd dinos

Any human who goes there will 100% be at risk of death

[pliant token]

leave it to JP vibes

[limber hull]

okay, derptah, it's the Isle, not Gen Zero, if I wanted merc gameplay to mimic that of Gen Zero, I'd play Gen Zero

[hybrid matrix]

u should play gen 0, its awesome

[quiet estuary]

No, more like humans can call it in via radios they can find and power but that should also be something difficult to achieve

[limber hull]

i might lmao, but my point still stands

i really want the game to have its own identity as merc

[crisp idol]

oh yeah that is super lore friendly

we just call for the big guns and get them dropped

xD

[pliant token]

[crisp idol]

maybe we can call an airstrike then too?

[quiet estuary]

We dont know much the lore behidn why the mercs are in the island

[pliant token]

a whole nuclear bomb should resolve the whole island thing

[brazen hedge]

Amazon drop services

[quiet estuary]

and werent you saying the game has no lore earlier

[crisp idol]

i was told there was a lore

so what now?

[tidal hill]

as I said, humans should be like special events

[quiet estuary]

What

[crisp idol]

@graceful vessel i agree

damn

[quiet estuary]

poor raptorjack

[hybrid matrix]

im just hoping that being a merc isnt a boring "do this do that, watch out big spoky dino"
but is instead more interactive

[pliant token]

i just depise humans so i don't want them in the game lol

[crisp idol]

@tidal hill i agree

[barren zephyr]

I think weapon accuracy should be vastly affected by player mobility and stance
This would discourage cod-like gameplay of running and gunning down raptors
While being stationery would increase your weapon viability. But leave you vulnerable to being attacked or rushed.
Recoil and bullet dropoff should also be heavy factors as well.

[crisp idol]

i should stop highlighting the wrong people

[tidal hill]

haha

[crisp idol]

i think the game should be finished and balanced on the dino side first

[quiet estuary]

just right click their names and click mention
far safer

[crisp idol]

and then add a special human mode

[limber hull]

i mean, i think "do this, do that, watch out big spoky dino" can be made incredibly engaging, even with it's simplistic nature

[tidal hill]

if they are like the soldiers in Jurassic World ok

shock weapons

😄

[pliant token]

mood

[barren zephyr]

^
Fuck humans, adding them in this year is a dumb idea

[crisp idol]

i cannot talk for everyone but nearly all people i know playing the isle is playing them for the dinos

[pliant token]

wont happen anyway

[quiet estuary]

Adding them soon is fine as long as dinos get all their core mechyanics first

[hybrid matrix]

im picturing what it would be like to have experimental tier weapons in TI

[pliant token]

way too much work to achieve first to even think about adding humans this year

[crisp idol]

They should really just make a DLC out of it

[hybrid matrix]

i have this AR that has flaming bullets lmao

[quiet estuary]

God no

[crisp idol]

The isle "Dondies wet dream"

[quiet estuary]

dont make dlc out of somethign thats been promised since the kickstarter

[pliant token]

[crisp idol]

so people can decide if they want to play with humans or not

[quiet estuary]

humans will be toggleable by server owners

but the officials will have them

[pliant token]

just a toggle on/off for servers

[quiet estuary]

same applies to dinos

All factions will be toggle-able

[tidal hill]

I believe that if they had missions to cross the island would be much more interesting for both sides

[quiet estuary]

Yes

[pliant token]

0fF-deinos 0fF-humans

[crisp idol]

lol i see people crying for a Battle royal mode xD

[tidal hill]

they would just have to hide

[barren zephyr]

About as much mechanics would need to worked out and balanced enough as a separate game. It's an egregious mis-allocation of current resources.

[tidal hill]

and to kill a raptor they would suffer a lot

in this case would be ok ! I guess

[limber hull]

gonna be honest, even if the game doesn't need humans right now, I still really wanna play human with my friend. We love playing with proxy VC games and this seems fucking incredible from concept

[crisp idol]

and you mentioned Clans @quiet estuary How to prevent clans from having a super surplus from high end weapons and amunition?

[pliant token]

play ark. jk

[quiet estuary]

that is a problem yes

Which is why the rarity of those items should be what stops that

[crisp idol]

and once they have a lot of weapons and ammo

they can easily get more

[quiet estuary]

That depends on how you obtain it

[honest sparrow]

Basically just limit how powerful they are, like a single sniper shot depending on what they go with could technically 1 shot everything, but honestly in an ideal world that isn't happening for the bigger animals, ideally a allo could take a sniper shot to the skull and either run you down or fuck off, you also have to make them exceedingly rare, like 1 on the entire map or something like that in extremely loud places, like docks or radio tower or some shit, on top of that make the ammo more rare, make them super fucking loud, like you shoot and its essentially a rex call telling everyone that you just fired, you can give them an exceptionally long reload, allowing for dinos to close the distance if they miss, you could also make them a projectile so its not just hitscan, like I want a lot of thought and effort put into calculating each shot, etc, idk thats just my take on sniper balans, criticisms are obviously going to be many

[limber hull]

ew no, ark doesn't have that cool horror element. It looks gross and I don't like most of its design choices

[barren zephyr]

Like what would stop a human spraying down Deinos in the water chilling
You could limit it with ammo
But that won't stop players from going out of their way to be assholes and ruin other's experience for content.

[hybrid matrix]

i think hunting rifles would be better than sniper rifles

[quiet estuary]

well water would stop a bullet

[honest sparrow]

isn't that literally what everyone does anyway

[crisp idol]

Humans have safehouses that is stupid

[pliant token]

its not like the isle is horrific in any way tho

[quiet estuary]

but other creatures would have issues

[hybrid matrix]

you clearly havent played The Isle

[crisp idol]

because clans can just create new toons only with the aim to look for ammo and bring it to the base

[tidal hill]

are you considering they are actually hollow bones?

[quiet estuary]

What safehouses aikeen
The buildings are open for anything around human sized to enter

[pliant token]

lmfao i did

[crisp idol]

so kinda unlimited supply for it

[quiet estuary]

sadly, but that is their goal

[pliant token]

just aint scared i guess

[crisp idol]

and once they have enough, they can just go everywhere and kill everything

[limber hull]

ARK is horrific in a different way, that being its creature designs. I feel like playing as a human would really make the game way more tense