general-feedback-discussion

[hoary dawn]

isle devs do weird shit sometimes

[upper summit]

what is a mod gonna do about it

isn't that what the suggestion feedback is for anyway

[clever thistle]

talk to a mod

im done im not gonna stay here all day i agree its unrealistic

have a good day

ill put a check mark on your suggestion

[upper summit]

watch quetz have a bird takeoff aswell lol

alr cya

[clever thistle]

that would suck

lol

[upper summit]

with its big ass head and little ass legs

[clever thistle]

cya

[clever thistle]

yeah

[hoary dawn]

i still think removing the running takeoff as a mechanic isn't a good idea, but i can see why people dont like the animation

[clever thistle]

it would snap its legs like a toothpick

[clever thistle]

mhm

[ashen wasp]

Quetz gets a bipedal running takeoff, but on its forelimbs

[hybrid matrix]

@barren zephyr the first thing u mentioned isnt a bug, its how bucking should work
u have to buck until the utah runs out of stamina
the second thing u mentioned does sound like a bug and u should report it in #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[barren zephyr]

pog

[hybrid matrix]

also u shouldnt rlly rely on bucking

[upper summit]

trees

water

[hybrid matrix]

it is pretty buggy, so u should just run into a tree

water not such a good idea tho

[feral solstice]

^

[orchid spruce]

U can also buck while looking for that stuff to nerf the utahs stam down

[swift dew]

@feral solstice they are going to do a UI overhaul sooner or later, so alot of the things you mentioned might change

[feral solstice]

We don’t even know if it’s slated for update 4 or even 5, which is why in update 4 Id prefer if they added the character menu stats, and change it later when the Ui gets overhauled

It’s ongoing so it could be any update at this point

[still raptor]

It's low priority without Perks, diets, elder system ect.

[jade schooner]

Who thinks felines don't mate?

Oh, ok. Thanks for the clarification on that second comment, I was scared for a second.

[compact hare]

lmao same

[jade schooner]

But what I'm trying to get to, is more into a gameplay mechanic standard, rather than going for full on realism. Even then, not every animal follows the partner formula. Even then... you might laugh about this, but in bird nesting sites, there can happen a lot of adultery XD
Ngl, I laughed when I read that paper

Nothing, you said you believed that. But then you said that was a couple of years ago

About the genetic input of parents in the eggs they nested. Had to read it for an ornithology class some years ago

Now that I think of it... that would be funny in a game XD

In general, it's a really good idea

probably the mating aspect

why weird?

[hoary dawn]

nesting isn't gonna be like that

[jade schooner]

Yea, but they will try to change that

[hoary dawn]

the is probably for the description of the "rub against eachother" and "Now the female will be pregnant and having eggs inside her, her belly will be slightly bigger"

[jade schooner]

Most likely

[honest sparrow]

Now draw her giv-

[hoary dawn]

birthing animations

[jade schooner]

Oviposition*

[compact hare]

[jade schooner]

Do we have evidence of live birthing dinosaurs? That would be interesting

[compact hare]

I have no idea

maybe asking in paleotalk you can get an anwser

[compact hare]

Oh no

guess who is back

[worn pumice]

[hybrid matrix]

i sorta understand why class doesnt like preferred prey for carnivores

but that lion thing is just

[jade schooner]

Same

[manic flint]

It makes no sense

[jade schooner]

The example doesn't. The thing mentioned before does

[sturdy widget]

I feel like with diets we don't have enough info yet to decide if its a good or bad system. For carnivores diets may not be as strict as you're thinking. The ambient prey like crabs and such might just be there to keep the juvis and adults separated and moving

[swift dew]

@desert tendon I would LOVE to see pela, but unfortunatly it won't come (probably). maybe in some sort of aquatic DLC. I hope.

[desert tendon]

why did you downvote it then lmao

[swift dew]

because it wont come

actually idk

[desert tendon]

...but you still want it...

if you want it you shouldnt downvote it lol

even if it wont come

[hoary dawn]

pela does not have a unique playstyle

it can have unique mechanics and stats

but its a cliff dwelling fisher like ptera

there are a bunch of other flyer niches that would be a lot better

[swift dew]

yes it can

[hoary dawn]

how would its base playstyle be different than ptera

[swift dew]

#401464048610312195 message

[hoary dawn]

the only unique thing there is the method it uses to catch fish

a method that should already be a thing for ptera once we get deeper water sources

[swift dew]

ofc ofc, just give it to ptera. this is why I don't talk about pela anymore

[honest sparrow]

I mean why not tho

[hoary dawn]

tupa is more unique than pela, so would a tiny symbiotic flyer

[honest sparrow]

To just give it to another playable that isn’t even confirmed and is one of many popular choices to fit the last flyer spot on the roster

[swift dew]

[hoary dawn]

yes

that is good

pela

is not

[swift dew]

I dont see why not, our ptera seems to be build for inland life, so I don't see why pela can't be built for coastal life

[hoary dawn]

only reason ptera is "built" for inland life is the fact that there are no fish nodes in the ocean

if there were ptera's would be camping the coast like crazy

[honest sparrow]

Ocean fish are confirmed regardless and Ptera can actually skim in the ocean

[hoary dawn]

also

[swift dew]

skimming is kinda ridiculous in the ocean where there is TONS of water for the fish to be that isn't the surface

[swift dew]

"concept"

[swift dew]

and ptera doesn't need ANOTHER method of fishing

[silver zephyr]

"Another" as if it doesn't only have 1 atm

[honest sparrow]

Also it feels weird for Ptera, a sea pterosaur, to completely abandon the sea but that’s just me, especially when it isn’t as drastically altered as something like utah

[honest sparrow]

Why not

[hoary dawn]

ptera needs another method of fishing just as much if not more than we need pela so 🤷‍♀️

[swift dew]

[swift dew]

because it already gets a surplus of fish the way it does it now

[honest sparrow]

So because it can fish in 2 ways already, it can’t get another way to fish that would add more nuance to the playable, after they said they would add more abilities to dinos down the line

Because that would intrude on another gliding fishing specialist

That isn’t even confirmed

[swift dew]

no, because you would be feeding ptera even more easily than you would be now

anyway

im done here

I think pela is good, simple as that

[honest sparrow]

How is diving any more easy than skimming?

[swift dew]

because you can get more food stocked up, to feed even more pteras

[honest sparrow]

What

[feral solstice]

Ptera could be the Flyer that strives for Schools of Fish, aka skimming, while pela can be the Flyer that dives, grabbing elite fish.

[hoary dawn]

just sayin, there are better options for unique flyer playstyles, but to each their own

[swift dew]

anyway 👋

[honest sparrow]

Cya I guess

[honest sparrow]

Ptera can’t take off with an elite fish, and is twice the size of pela

[silver zephyr]

just because you have another way to fish doesn't mean you get more fish, it just means you get the same amount of fish in different ways

[feral solstice]

Wait pela is that small

[hoary dawn]

pela a seagull

[honest sparrow]

Yes

[feral solstice]

Nvm

[silver zephyr]

pretty sure pela is a bit bigger than ptera, regardless I still dont want it tho

[hoary dawn]

if we do get another flyer that is around ptera's size, it should be one with a very different playstyle cough tupa cough pls dondi cough

[silver zephyr]

and then dondi adds yutyrannus

[hoary dawn]

Hm.

[honest sparrow]

Death

[hoary dawn]

malware

[honest sparrow]

Pretty sure conservative estimates for pela put it around 35-45 but maybe it could be slightly bigger

[hoary dawn]

@dire peak

[dire peak]

meme

what hapen

oh

[honest sparrow]

Obligatory

[dire peak]

dondismile

yea around 35 kg is a safe estimate for pela, iirc thats pretty much accepted

but in general im pretty sure Ptera was larger

[hoary dawn]

:)

[dire peak]

quadrapedal stance op pls nerf

[hoary dawn]

make the bipedal run the default movement animation

[dire peak]

#general-feedback

dondismil

[paper oriole]

Deino doesnt need handicaps in the water, the water ripples when he swims near the surface, he just needs nerfs to his land functions

[fiery wraith]

yeah just add stamina use to the alt bite.

[feral solstice]

Make it drain like 5-8% stamina

[paper oriole]

I still think it should get diminishing returns and so should a lot of other attacks with other dinos but anything is better than nothing

[fiery wraith]

the rubberbanding is for real making me kind of nauseous when I play ptera. might have to play steggo or something lol.

[frigid storm]

continued my general feedback into balance feedback, regarding ocean and river dwellers

[hoary dawn]

@fading fjord i think you have the wrong channel there

[fading fjord]

Maybe balance feedback....sry , my phone tricks me all the time.

[odd sedge]

Yeah I don't see Pela either.
You could literally give Ptera the water dive, since it's an already existing creature which would be less effort than making an entirely new one that is essentially the same.
A forest dwelling creature that lives off fruit and stuff makes a lot more sense, as it could make for a predator-prey relationship with the Herrera and have a unique playstyle, since Pteras aren't really suited for the forest.

[hoary dawn]

especially when the devs spend thousands of dollars to add in new playables, better to have diversity

[odd sedge]

Pela won't make it, they are already working on making Ptera inhabit the ocean more. You saw it in the concept art, the fact that they can skim in the ocean and they will be able to cling to cliffs. All that indicates where they want Pteras to play

[paper oriole]

If they only plan on adding one more flyer it would be a waste to make it another fisher anyway, 3 carni flyers and nothing for herbi/omnis would be very disappointing

[honest sparrow]

If I may comment on pela again, I also wish people chose either open ocean fish specialist or bully

Because they don’t really correlate with each other that well

[limber hull]

@exotic iris i fucking love your idea but im 90% sure the gigantopithecus was mostly a gentle giant lmao

[exotic iris]

Ever seen those people that got their face and arms torn off by a 150 pound chimp, now imagine what an 800 orangutan/gorilla do

[paper oriole]

to be fair, chimps are batshit crazy compared to orangs/gorillas

[exotic iris]

Just grab a utah by the tail and go "you are going to brazil"

[exotic iris]

Valid point

Buy

But*

[paper oriole]

if they still have hyper colossus planned i'd imagine it plucking up a rex and ripping it in half like that lol

[exotic iris]

It did live with nangdong tiger and was probably very protective

[limber hull]

orangutans dont have the aggressive nature of the chimp. the chimp grew its aggression from evolving in an area with less accessible food and vegetation, leading to more carnivorous and competitive behaviours whereas orangutan evolved in an area where food was more easy to access, hence their laid back demeanour

the gigantopithecus likely did not need to express the aggression of the chimp and thus probably didnt

[exotic iris]

Funke monke tear go brr

[paper oriole]

things in the isle also dont really reflect their irl versions, id mainly oppose it because i am an anti mammal bigot lol

in a game based with prehistoric mammals it would fit very well

[exotic iris]

But megalania is getting added and theyee making it like 25+ feet long

[icy lion]

who said that?

[paper oriole]

megalania is a lizard so it fits with the theme somewhat at least, even if it is from a very recent time period as opposed to dinosaurs

[exotic iris]

The art shows a faint human outline and the shoulder is like 5 feet tall

[icy lion]

everything is subject to change

[exotic iris]

So u mean to tell me

Theres a chance

[icy lion]

for gigantopithicus? no definitely not

[exotic iris]

Dont tell me the odds

[icy lion]

for irl sized megalania yea maybe

[icy lion]

0%

[exotic iris]

Megalania at max irl was like 23 feet

And that's an exceptionally large individual

[paper oriole]

assuming the figurre in the megalania art represents 6ft it seems pretty accurate to its max length then

[oak tapir]

@turbid mauve B r u h 🗿 , they’re adding ambient AI for carnivore diets , like crabs , goats , sea turtles , frogs , insects ,lizards ETC.

[paper oriole]

Upvoting your own suggestion

[oak tapir]

Idk man

Which one tho

The Redesign needs to be a fucking thing cuz austro makes me wanna die

[digital belfry]

xD

[azure wadi]

@exotic iris we need kong

[azure wadi]

@high anchor you can’t chat in there

[high anchor]

just removed

will there be one tho?

[paper oriole]

Yeah theyre adding the big lizard

They also want to add the big snake eventually too, not sure if its still certain

[high anchor]

titanoboa?

[paper oriole]

Yeah

[azure wadi]

Not a fan of the big snake

[paper oriole]

Titan seems like it would be fodder

[azure wadi]

Spino food

[high anchor]

implementing a constrictor snake would be like designing a whole new game

[paper oriole]

Titan couldn’t even unhinge his jaw, he mostly ate fish

[azure wadi]

Apparently titano didn’t even constrict irl, it was more like a giant water snake, eating fish

[paper oriole]

People overestimate him often

Kinda like haast

[azure wadi]

I’m really not much of a fan of non Mesozoic creatures in the game

[paper oriole]

Yeah they are unnecessary honestly

Megalania is a super recent animal

[azure wadi]

Dude ate hominids

[paper oriole]

He also seems a bit unnecessary

Like there are other quadruped carnis they could add from the dino age

like presto cough

[azure wadi]

Shame

Honestly the roster didn’t need either of them, don’t really have unique niches and we didn’t need more animals

[keen vapor]

@mint sonnet That wont work as thoose keys are binded to attacks.

[paper oriole]

They should add palaeophis instead of titanoboa but probably wont happen

[mint sonnet]

I know, but when you're pounced they change

[paper oriole]

Sea snake would be nicer than deino/spino fodder swamp snake

Plus palae was more in the proper time period

[keen vapor]

that would just cause confuzion

[azure wadi]

So it could become mosa/tylo fodder sea snake

[paper oriole]

Hey he could totally hide in like reefs and stuff lol

[mint sonnet]

and the E button doesnt?
E is binded to eating, but when you're pounced its also used for bucking
literally just switch the buttons, its the same thing lol

[paper oriole]

E is a basic interaction key isnt it

[mint sonnet]

yeah

[paper oriole]

They could change bucking to holding the space but that might mess with ptera

[keen vapor]

they should just make it so that you cant graze or eat while pounced

[mint sonnet]

nah cause E isnt something you by default go to when being attacked
the attack button is

sooo it only makes sense

[keen vapor]

well if it is binded to a mouse button you wouldnt be able to peform some attacks while pouned

[azure wadi]

If you change it to an attack key then the pack mates of the raptor would just attack you while you can’t

[mint sonnet]

Yeah I know, it'd be good to use your secondary attack, which is usually one you use for pouncing or charge- that would become a buck

[azure wadi]

What about stego who’s primary attack is just a bite and tail swing is secondary

[keen vapor]

No, then attacks like tail slam wouldnt be able to be peformed which would be a huge disadvantage

[mint sonnet]

its primary attack is a bite?? weird

[keen vapor]

what? tail slam/ kick is its secondary attack

[azure wadi]

They mean stego

[mint sonnet]

when you're bucking it should act as an 'attack' anyway, probably
I mean you're bucking. Bucking is kicking and swinging ur tail around

[keen vapor]

still, just keep it at E. No good reason to change it and interfeere with attack keys

[mint sonnet]

eh I think it'd be better as the attack buttons

[paper oriole]

If bucking used attack keybinds it would selectively screw over defensive herbivores

[keen vapor]

no, just no. give me one good reson

[mint sonnet]

I already did lol

[keen vapor]

yeah

[mint sonnet]

this,

[keen vapor]

it would mess so much with combat controlls just keep it at E whyyyyy

why should bucking cancel certain attacks when it doest have to?

[mint sonnet]

idk man chill I just think it'd be more
whats the word
intuitive, to use the attack buttons than 'E'

[paper oriole]

No it would fuck over herbis

[keen vapor]

but how?

[paper oriole]

Who have a useless bite as their lmb

[keen vapor]

it would fuck over combat

[mint sonnet]

man I explained myself already i wont go in circles 20 times haha

[keen vapor]

You never gave a good argument against ours

[mint sonnet]

maybe read what i said

[high anchor]

agreed, lot of people request mamals and birds which makes no sense at all for me, creataceous and jurassic is what this game is about, not sure what era deinosuchus is from but it fits well

[paper oriole]

Stego gets pounced “oh noo now i cant fucken swing my tail to defend against the 10 other raptors because there's one on my side this is fun haha”

[mint sonnet]

also who are u to say its not a 'good argument'
dont be rude

i wasnt rude to you

[high anchor]

also, I done some research about this but not a lot of good info out there, but wouldnt a deinosuchus likely have a stronger bite force than even a Rex?

[paper oriole]

Oh god

Not this again

Not the deino rex biteforce discussion

[high anchor]

I never seen it

what was the conclusion?

[paper oriole]

It was every day when deino dropped

People wanted its bite force buffed

[high anchor]

yes I know it would be insane for deino to have a 1200 plus N

[paper oriole]

Yeah there were people unironically asking for it to be even more than 1200N lol

[high anchor]

I understand that cause gators and crocs have the biggest jaw muscles

[high anchor]

woudnt be realistic but sometimes realism is not what u want

in a game

[paper oriole]

It doesn’t need a stronger bite with the current roster even remotely

And if it gets buffed in the future many other animals would follow with changes too

[high anchor]

absolutely not im just thinking when the roaster is complete

which will probably take 2 years anyway xD

[haughty forge]

Well, since E is the "action" button for every thing and every dino (eating, wallowing, drinking) I don't think it would be good to change that personnaly. Maybe add an hint to presse E while being pounced like for the wallow or when you fish could be a nice touch. But yeah if you look at the floor being pounced... you graze T.T...

[edgy hamlet]

a hint is really all we need, making you unable to attack while being pounced wouldnt be a good solution either

[lavish pivot]

Titanoboa LRM+Alt be like:
https://youtube.com/shorts/4nDGvM6mP9w?feature=share

[tiny venture]

Im sorry but na 1 is just as bad as the other servers with high pop ima hold on off on playing the game till they fix that cause i lost my dino when a deino somehow bit me when i already passed him

<

[limber hull]

@dreamy wharf "halfway across the map" is an extreme statement lmao. Having egg scent would be fine I guess, but I wouldn't make it able to be smelt from a mile away. Oviraptors should still check out frequent nesting spots or hunt more secluded areas for its eggs

parkour sounds cool but im unsure of actual utility

[dreamy wharf]

It's simply just to set it apart from galli really, rather than just having it run. The utility comes mostly from when it needs to get to hard to reach spaces for nests.

In terms of the scent stuff?

What would you propose?

[limber hull]

honestly, tree-climbing could be interesting. It acts as the "egg thief", so why not have it play a more stealthy game, heck, you even gave it silent footsteps

[upper summit]

tree climbing is confirmed for herrara

[dreamy wharf]

I'd like to think of it less as outright climbing? It's basically just sortof wall running 'n stuff.

[limber hull]

Gali should be run and go, Ovi should take a more stealthy approach, and I like your proposal shifts towarsd that

[upper summit]

herrera*

[limber hull]

issue is, how many "walls" do we really have?

we have trees i suppose but they are small

couldn't really wallrun on them

[dreamy wharf]

Trees count, cliffs count, basically most flat surfaces since it's moreso a wing assisted thing.

Let me see if I can find a good reference image.

[limber hull]

if it could scurry up cliffs, that could also be interesting

[upper summit]

wait why would ovi have good bleed

it has a beak and skinny claws

[limber hull]

i think ovi should be a thief and not a fighter

[dreamy wharf]

Cassowaries can outright gut you. When I say good bleed it's relative for it's size.

[limber hull]

it should sneak in and out without detection

[dreamy wharf]

So it's damage is still really pathetic.

[safe galleon]

I’d say remove bleed and instead make it have decent raw bite damage thanks to the strong beak

[upper summit]

we already have a figher ovi

utah

[dreamy wharf]

I could rephrase or remove the bleed stuff, but, I don't really think it's something that conveys it's an actual fighter?

It shouldn't be absolutely helpless to things it's size.

So, to compromise, should I just say that it's relative to it's size?

[upper summit]

I don't think it should have a dropkick

[limber hull]

that's true, but it's like a cassowary facing off against a group of elephants and rhinos. Yes, cassowary are dangerous to humans, but certainly not to dino-sized creatures

[safe galleon]

Also instead of wall running give it the ability to sweep away its footsteps using its tail like a broom

[limber hull]

actually could be a cool idea

tbh

[dreamy wharf]

Okay, so I'll change to to say "relative to it's size" as a good compromise.

[limber hull]

oviraptor should pale in comparison to the combat potential of say, utahraptors

[dreamy wharf]

Oh absolutely.

Hence the low health.

[upper summit]

the jumping from wall to wall thing

thats much more suited for herrera

since yk

its actually confirmed to be able to do that

[limber hull]

i love the idea of gallimus being the quick snatcher, whereas ovi is a stealthy thief

[dreamy wharf]

Climbing is going to be a spectrum rather than it being limited to one or two things.

Besides, there's no real reason Ovi can't have something like that.

[upper summit]

yeah but herrera looks like it can climb

ovi not so much

[dreamy wharf]

And like I said

Ovi isn't climbing.

[upper summit]

it might aswell if it can jump from wall to wall

thats just as realistic

[dreamy wharf]

Eh, I don't like it clinging to surfaces 'n stuff.

[upper summit]

I like the silent running

[limber hull]

i personally dont see the utility of wallrunning tbh

[upper summit]

and mimic

[limber hull]

i like the other shit

but wallrunning feels very situational

[dreamy wharf]

Oh yeah, and that's entirely intentional.

[safe galleon]

Also very weird considering it’s supposed to be stealthy

[dreamy wharf]

Could be used as a dodge, to get to nests in hard to reach places, etc.

[safe galleon]

An incredibly bright thing running on a wall isn’t very sneaky

[limber hull]

yea, i'd prefer something that focuses more on the stealth aspect. Give it high speed but not so good stam. He gets real close, takes the egg and just disappears as quick as he came.

gallimus is good for just launching itself at nests and going

[limber hull]

but ovi has to get close

[upper summit]

I think it should have good stam

[dreamy wharf]

Late, but here's a reference image.

[upper summit]

once it has the egg it deserves to be able to escape

it is not hard to defend a nest from an ovi

but it gets the egg when the parents are away

[dreamy wharf]

I mean if you're getting chased, you could just

parkour out of there.

If you need to dodge an angry parent, just run along a tree and jump over it.

[upper summit]

well that's the thing

that shouldn't be necessary if you just take the egg when the parents are getting water or something

[dreamy wharf]

At that point you wouldn't even be spotted at all I'd think.

[upper summit]

if it had silent footsteps it wouldn't use it to snatch the egg when the parents are still there

ovi should punish animals for bad parenting imo\

[limber hull]

i mean, give it a stam ability where if it sprints at a smooth cliff, it can scurry up it. Helps it get in and out of those nests

[upper summit]

like maybe instead of the whole nesting herd getting water maybe 2 at a time

[dreamy wharf]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/401464048610312195/855069260203819029/F3.png?width=535&height=683

[limber hull]

yee, like that

[dreamy wharf]

S'literally the point of the parkour thing.

[limber hull]

true, but the walljump still feels like too much

[dreamy wharf]

It's situational, but it's very versatile at the same time.

[limber hull]

i like some ideas

in fact, i like most

[dreamy wharf]

That's fair.

[upper summit]

I think ovi should be able to run up steeper hills while flapping its wing-like arms

[dreamy wharf]

I just think I'd like it if it wasn't just a bootleg utah.

Because I don't think Utah will be wall jumping.

[limber hull]

oh, it really should not be

[dreamy wharf]

But rather just scurrying up things.

[upper summit]

that would be a good getaway if a herd is up against a steepish hill

[dreamy wharf]

Besides, for things like fliers, you'll most likely need to be able to scale larger cliffs. A scurry alone doesn't cut it for those.

[limber hull]

id say that ovi should only be able to mimic a call it most recently memorised, and cannot "memorise" any more than one call, troodon can memorise several calls but only do juvi calls.

[dreamy wharf]

Oh that's a good idea.

[limber hull]

so it doesnt steal Troodon's mechanic

but it has it's own unique spin

[dreamy wharf]

"If Ovi got mimicry alongside Troodon, it could be differentiated by Ovi being able to mimic singular adult calls that it's "learned" recently rather than mimicing several juveniles."

How's that?

[limber hull]

pre cool

[dreamy wharf]

o-ob

[limber hull]

i think Ovi should be better at ransacking nesting grounds, whereas Gali preys on isolated nests

makes each still have their niche

[meager tiger]

@dreamy wharf Is robbing nests not unique enough? Like imagine you have to do a nest heist or something like plan what time of day you rob it, distractions from team mates or purposelessly getting chased by a big dude like a trex to lead him back to the nest to deal with the parent while you rob a egg and run? I imagine ovi being a chicken rat playstyle going around causing minor but super annoying problems for everyone?

[dreamy wharf]

Every carnivore is going to be able to rob nests.

[meager tiger]

oh

i thought it was ovi exlcusive

[dreamy wharf]

And gallimimus is also a omniverous animal with a emphasis on eating eggs.

[meager tiger]

Wait gallys are omnivores?

[compact hare]

yes

[meager tiger]

Why wasnt that a thing in legacy

[compact hare]

Bcuz its Legacy

hehe

Legacy didnt and dont even have proper food (besides the cliché bush and meat)

[manic flint]

@barren zephyr You mean the lily pads? I don't think their adding tadpole AI

[hoary dawn]

iirc i did hear the lilypads mentioned when they were talking about water foliage for update 3, so if not next update they should be coming fairly soon

[limber hull]

still not a fan of big dino AI. Much prefer small critter AI, especially since from what I've seen of streams, dino AI is anything but good enough to warrant implementation. Hell, even the currently implemented dryo AI is just really damn stupid

[hybrid matrix]

@hearty jewel while i agree that there should be a lot of ai, it shouldn't be easy to be a carnivore

[limber hull]

eh, i think there should be a lot of critter AI

not a lot of dino AI

[hybrid matrix]

Critters as in rodents and birds?

[limber hull]

rodents, birds, fish, lizards, crabs, etc

maybe goats since they mentioned goats once... for some reason

[fading fjord]

Big AI will be a game changer.

[limber hull]

yea, but im not sure Big AI will be a game changer for the right reasons

[hybrid matrix]

I think ai should fill in for dinos that arent as popular at a certain time

[swift dew]

@keen reef wdym dryo takes about the same amount of fall damage as carno? I have jumped off places as dryo where I know I will be completely safe and take zero fall damage, where I outright die as a carno

[hybrid matrix]

To keep servers balanced

[limber hull]

but to be fair, without AI, one could easily figure out what dinosaur needs addressing for more engaging playstyles

rather than arbitrarily filling the role with AI, you can note scale of popularity

[hybrid matrix]

[swift dew]

[hybrid matrix]

Admins can see ai/player pops for each dino

Sinple fix

[limber hull]

but players cant

so players cannot give feedback as consistently

[hybrid matrix]

Admins are players

They can give feedback

[limber hull]

cool, we limit feedback to admins lmao

sounds great

[hybrid matrix]

LMAO

[limber hull]

not to mention AI's downright horribly made behaviour would make playing against them straight up boring. Watching the streams, utahs will swarm you, regardless of how well you hide, because you entered their agro range.

[hybrid matrix]

WE FOUND EM

HOW

Just HOW

This doesn't limit feedback to admins WHATSOEVER

[limber hull]

alright

it limits a specific kind of feedback and statistic to purely admins

[hybrid matrix]

Complaining about a beta lol

[hybrid matrix]

No it doesnt
People can still play these dinosaurs and give feedback

[limber hull]

I like playermade ecosystems, what can I say. I would prefer an address of the netcode to allow for larger servers and thus more player controlled dinos, rather than filling the world with mindless AI

I'd focus more on netcode than AI tbh

[hybrid matrix]

Larger server caps wont fix it

It'll make it worse

[limber hull]

how so

[hybrid matrix]

More ppl to play as already highly played dinos

Just makes the balance worse

Sorry about my spelling, im on a bus rn

[limber hull]

I don't blame them for playing only carnivores. The only real engaging dinos are carnivores and teno, the others feel unfinished or just shitty to play. Sounds more like a dino design issue than a player issue

Hypsi is literally unfinished, stego is a drag of a character with very little unique to him besides "big tail haha" and dryo is cool conceptually, but still feels like he's missing a lot of integral features and flair

[hybrid matrix]

The issue is balancing an ecosystem

[limber hull]

yes

then focus on doing that

focus more on making dinos more engaging then making boring dinos AI only

because then you allow people to only pick carnivore

and it makes the problem worse as you said

[hybrid matrix]

THATS WHAT THE AI IDEA IS FOR U-nvm

[limber hull]

there's no diversity anymore if AI will fill the roles no one wants to play

[hybrid matrix]

HOW

[limber hull]

rather than making the unplayed roles more engaging

[hybrid matrix]

Im not saying that this shouldn't happen, im just saying this by itself wont change anything

Gtg

[hoary dawn]

do not

[swift dew]

well say there is a perfect world, where all the creatures are engaging, but for some odd reason nobody wants to play dryo. now what. what happens to the carnivores that need to eat dryo as their prefered food?

[limber hull]

i just think it's not very interesting to, rather than increase the engagement of certain dinos, they want to have AI take the "boring" roles

i believe critters should always be in SOMEONE's diet

be it crabs, lizards, birds or what have you

you should not be limited to JUST having to eat dryo

that's not a good design and will lead to issues like the one you presented

[swift dew]

rex eating crabs

[limber hull]

rex would probably have a bit of bones tbh, keeps calcium high.

which could be found on any corpse

[swift dew]

but diets don't work like that, it isnt just. find you favorite food to stay healthy, its more like, eat a varied diet of your favorite foods to stay healthy

I dont see a problem of ai being more common of the creatures that less people are playing

[limber hull]

alright, there should be a variation of different "diet foods"

i'd say, 50% of all creatures on the roster at least should be something's diet. Everything else has only food value, no dietary value

For cerato, like almost everything should be good for diets since, ya know, that's it's gimmick

certainly not like 10% of all creatures are good for utah or whatever have you, that's silly

[swift dew]

now I realize why derptah left

[limber hull]

because hes on a bus lmao

thats why

[hybrid matrix]

Actually i left bc i didnt wanna miss my stop

[swift dew]

go with it

[hybrid matrix]

Lmao

Its both rlly

I looked up from my phone bc it was getting annoying

It was by chance that it was also my stop

[limber hull]

all i've really seen is you guys just dismissing, you aren't really like, doing much outside of that. I understand you guys want a diverse ecosystem, so do I, but I'd like it to be achieved differently

there's literally no reason to act so dismissive because you don't agree lmao

[hybrid matrix]

Theres enough irony in this message to make a full suit of armor

[limber hull]

i agree with several of your points

[hybrid matrix]

NO U DONT

[limber hull]

yes, I do

[hybrid matrix]

Show me

[limber hull]

lmao

[limber hull]

agreed entirely with this. Also the fact that there is an issue with many people picking "popular" dinosaurs is an issue. It's very clear to see what dinos are loved and what aren't.

i simply do not believe AI should be the first concept to handle these issues

Or at least, big AI dinos

[hybrid matrix]

Yeah hahsha u agreed with me for sure

[limber hull]

AI like fish, insects, lizards, rats and birds.

I DID

LMAO

[barren zephyr]

Kill each other

[limber hull]

you are excessively hostile for some reason. I just don't think that it's wise to cover up faults in dino design with simply slapping in AI and calling it a day. I'd say address the weaknesses of several of the underutilised dinos to encourage more diversity

[swift dew]

but the problem with your "acheived differently" is that its unrealistic, you have 56 animals on the roster, and lets be optimistic here, lets say that the player count reaches 200 (for the big map ofc) now, in a perfect world, you would have about 4 animals per species on the entire map. but we all know this isnt going to be the case, since you will have at LEAST 50 people per server playing only rex, giga, spino, or deino (or at least trying to grow them) so now you have about 3 animals per species, but we all know this still isnt the case since certain dinos are more popular than others. like allosaurus being more popular and hypsi being less popular. so now your hypsi population is maybe 1, and your allo population is 5. its not about how engaging certain animals are but the fact that other animals are just more popular, and you can't change that.

[hybrid matrix]

If i were at my computer I'd've said this myself

[limber hull]

But we don't have 56 dinos yet, and I firmly believe that by the time we reach 56, we will have the potential for FAR more powerful servers and equipment to run them. Think about what an undertaking it'd be to reach that stage, and by the time you have that many, think about how many people could be interested in the game. Also I think you are vastly overestimating how many people will be playing apexes, legacy apexes were loved because they were legit straight upgrades from smaller creatures, now all creatures have unique abilities and skills planned to each give them an appeal for more players.

[hybrid matrix]

Ok lets see, 56 dinos, optimal population of around 10-20 per dino, lets do the math

[limber hull]

Of course I'd pick legacy rex over other legacy creatures, legacy rex was just cooler lmao, since combat was exceptionally simplistic and you might as well be the big bad if many dinos play the same

[hybrid matrix]

U'd need 1120 players to have 20 of each dino

[limber hull]

But EVIRMIA is different. Many scenarios I don't feel like playing the biggest and baddest, sometimes I want to play the little guy, because they've worked on that

In a hypothetical universe where all 56 dinos are released, yes, technically

But let's be real, we cannot account for how internet will be by the time 56 dinos arrive lmao

we have 8 dinos atm, a mere fraction of that 56

[swift dew]

but other players arent like you, rex mains from legacy will play rex because rex is the biggest and the baddest. its the same reason why half the servers are carno and deino, they are the biggest land carnivores at the time

[hybrid matrix]

U think that in 5 yrs we'll get server pops of 1120

[limber hull]

Probably not, let's be realistic

[hybrid matrix]

Oh hey tmr is the birthday of evrima

[hybrid matrix]

[limber hull]

but i, atm, see no need for AI. Maybe in the years and years it takes to reach so many dinos that we can no longer have an even spread, but right now, it's pretty fine tbh. Just need some polish in the underutilised dino section

Honestly, increasing server size and working on netcode is what's far more important atm

[hybrid matrix]

WE DON'T HAVE AN EVEN SPREAD YOU BEEFWIT

[limber hull]

i know

probably because a lot of dinos suck to play

lmao

like i've been saying

[hybrid matrix]

Im done
U r too stupid

[limber hull]

lmao

[hoary dawn]

civil much?

[hybrid matrix]

Someone else take my place

[hybrid matrix]

Ive been civil for the past 30 minutes

[limber hull]

IDK man

doesn't seem that way to me

[hoary dawn]

there is no excuse for not being civil that is not your own fault

[limber hull]

i didnt call you any names

I've been trying to have a simple discussion, nothing more and nothing less

[hybrid matrix]

I havent called u a thing until just now

I admit that at times i got aggravated

But i have been civil right up until this point

[hoary dawn]

it doesn't matter that much

but like

[compact hare]

(If you dont mind me, Im borrowing those soundtracks for my rpg tonight, thanks)

[hoary dawn]

no point in being civil if you're just gonna call names when you're done

[limber hull]

I've been hired as the Lead Game Designer for a game before and have an education in design, I wouldn't make my points if they had no merit, but I'm also not one to outright dismiss potential. I agree that AI may be necessary in the future, as the roster constantly expands, but I do not see it atm, and I feel that rebalancing dinos to help them become more engaging is far more important than adding AI. You have literally called me stupid for not agreeing with you, I just want you to understand where I'm coming from and the entire time you've been talking down to me lmao. Simply put, I like the player agency of the ecosystem, I don't like carnivores shifting into more PvE required meals, as I find the PvP requirement exceptionally interesting conceptually.

Hence why I like critters, they're snacks, but not very substantial meals for big boys

elite fish are okay for a deino for sustaining itself for a little bit, but not really a complete meal like a fullgrown carno would be

[hybrid matrix]

Gimme a minute while i switch to my computer

ok

so

[hybrid matrix]

i called u stupid bc u were being stupid

some of ur points have no merit

[limber hull]

which ones?

[hybrid matrix]

lemme find em

[hybrid matrix]

this is an easy one

[limber hull]

how so?

i specifically said "Just need some polish in the underutilised dino section"

because again

i know that some dinos are underutilised

[hybrid matrix]

this string

[limber hull]

again

how so

you're just telling me that i'm dumb and not saying how

[hybrid matrix]

bc im looking thru messages

if u give a minute i'll be able to explain

[stuck orbit]

My friend, assuming that you really have experience in game design, and I see no reason to dismiss that, just don´t discuss in this place. Its pointless. Save yourself the headache

[hybrid matrix]

this is an oxymoron

[limber hull]

i like discussion, what can i say? I've had several of these arguments back at my old studio with the community of that old game, trust me, I'm used to it

[hybrid matrix]

perhaps this is the biggest one
this is your dumbest message in this argument

[stuck orbit]

fair enough ^^

[hybrid matrix]

anyway

[limber hull]

i see what you mean, but at the same time, consider what this will do in diversity among players? When the game gives you what you need, many people will simply completely overpopulate on rexes, much like legacy. Dino diversity may be high but player diversity will never be lower. In fact, that much AI outright discourages pack animal play, as those animals will have their teammates (an important part of their playstyle), replaced with AI.

Utahs and so on will become extinct in favour of large, more solo dinos

Because, simply put, it is not worth playing a pack-based dino when you cannot have a pack of fellow players to work alongside

[hybrid matrix]

but i, atm, see no need for AI. Maybe in the years and years it takes to reach so many dinos that we can no longer have an even spread, but right now, it's pretty fine tbh. Just need some polish in the underutilised dino section
Lets look at this first sentence. There is a need AI. There are generally no herbivores on most servers. AI can be used to balance out the environment by making up for the missing population
The second sentence....
The second sentence is just.... ok, lets take it bit by bit. Firstly, you say that it will take many years to get enough dinos to ruin the even spread that we "have." There isn't an even spread. Far from it. that simple. Then you say that its fine right now. There are no words to describe how stupid that statement is. Your final sentence is definitely one that I agree with. All dinosaurs should be interesting to play, and i never said they shouldnt. all I have said is that even then, not everyone will want to play those dinos, so servers will be unbalanced

[hybrid matrix]

now THIS is the kinda counter argument that i like to see

that is a good point, and something that i did not realize

[limber hull]

this is what scares me most about AI

I love playing the little underdog pack dino

working as a big team

[hybrid matrix]

so do i

[limber hull]

when AI is most of the populace, I'll be forced to play more "viable" solo dinos

[hybrid matrix]

no u wouldnt

[limber hull]

thus bringing the "apex meta"

[hybrid matrix]

every dinosaur will be able to survive on its own

it all depends on the player

surviving

[hybrid matrix]

ok
lemme just quickly explain why this is so dumb
you said that letting admins see the ai/player dino populations statistics would limit feedback on which dinos are more popular to admins only
need i say more?

[limber hull]

i mean

it kinda would limit it to an extent

[hybrid matrix]

no it wouldnt

it would make it so that its easier to get feedback to the devs

it opens a new way to find out which dinos are played more/less

currently u can only do it by playing each dino and seeing if u enjoy it

but even then

thats only your experience

other ppl may find it fun

letting admins see the ai/player dino pop statistics would make giving feedback a thousand times easier

[hybrid matrix]

it does the exact opposite

[hoary dawn]

imo the only ai should be brachi herds, tiny stuff like homalos, and very few of each animal that spawn in random parts of the map and migrate between preferred food sites

and even then

only like 3-5 of each animal

[honest sparrow]

Ai should be controllable by the admins

[hoary dawn]

so the world has a bit more life in places players wont provide it while still being mostly pvp interactions

[ashen elm]

We need fish AI
I wouldn't mind AI for small animals like insects, birds, and monkeys
since we're getting goat AI

[hoary dawn]

oh yea and ofc fish and ambient animal ai

[ashen wasp]

I wonder why we’re getting goat AI when Proto exists. Couldn’t possibly have anything to do with a certain film rhyming with “Bombastic Clark”, now would it??

[hoary dawn]

the salt is strong with this one

[feral solstice]

I sense an extreme amount of salt coming from this “genius” feedback!

[somber wraith]

I’m not salty I’m just disappointed that the devs aren’t listening to the right part of this community. I want a playable game. I’m fine with new dinos but I would rather play them in a game that doesn’t rubber band or punish people who like to play aggressively than what we are most likely going to end up with in update 4.

[hoary dawn]

the way you phrased your post does give off the salty vibe

[somber wraith]

I won’t disagree with that

[cyan flame]

They are listening to the right part of the community though? The part that wants proper mechanics over just new dinos and all that, so we get an actual game with a gameplay loop and all that. I think we all want a working game, that's not really split by any community anyway, since it's a given to play in the first place.

[somber wraith]

I mostly did that so people would see it

In all honesty I’m sad we even have to have this conversation I just want to play a working game

[cyan flame]

We all do.. :p

[hoary dawn]

i dont think anyone wants to play a broken game

[somber wraith]

And I’m pretty upset that the devs have pretty much confirmed that cannibalism will be punished. What the fuck are you supposed to do if the entire server is playing one dino

[vast wolf]

eat ai

[cyan flame]

You can probably hunt and eat AI, and it's unlikely that they will all be just one dino. I'm sure the devs have ways to make sure you don't get punished just because no one is playing your preferred prey.

[low canopy]

just go fetch your diet check ai and return back to kos your own species

[vast wolf]

and having an entire server playing a one species willingly is pretty rare.

[cyan flame]

You most likely will also have more than one preferred prey

[vast wolf]

^

[cyan flame]

Possibly even ranging from really good to really bad

[vast wolf]

that was soft confirmed.

[somber wraith]

Why would I want to eat ai when I can kill a player which gives me more satisfaction than killing a non thinking thing

[cyan flame]

Because you play to survive

Simple as that, it's a survival game

[somber wraith]

I’m aware

[low canopy]

id argue that survival aspect is removed by happy meal AI just waiting for you to nom it

[hoary dawn]

carnis will have multiple preferred prey items and some of them will be substituteable with ambient animals if you cant find your preferred prey

[vast wolf]

if you play to hunt other players then you wont get anywhere. in most games that have both the bots are used for loot but still pose a massive threat.

[somber wraith]

If the ai will actually fight back and be a threat I may be ok with hunting it but looking at the ai rn I doubt it

[cyan flame]

You'll probably be able to hunt plenty of players even with preferred diet, and if it somehow turns out that the only things you can subsist of are AI, then that sounds more like a balance issue if anything

[vast wolf]

the plan for the ai is to make it as similar to a human as possible.

[cyan flame]

So if you end up playing something that can not find any preferred prey at all, playerwise, then I'd say you've found a whole other issue

[somber wraith]

Also adding a cannibalism debuff won’t make me stop killing my own species. I’ll just do it without eating them

[vast wolf]

however its also very hard to code complex behaviors into ai without it being weird.

[cyan flame]

It's probably more the diet thing than just cannibalism

You're going to want to eat proper food, which means spending your time and energy getting that I guess

[somber wraith]

But if just killing your own species gives you a debuff then I have a problem

[vast wolf]

cool. you will still get a planned giveaway feature that lets other players know you have been killing your own species a lot.

the planned debuff is along the lines of faint glowing red eyes in close proximity.

[somber wraith]

that’s the edgiest thing I’ve heard

[cyan flame]

Nah. It's more down to diet I think. You can always kill your own, hell, herbivores can and they don't each other. But if you need proper diet, you're wasting time and energy to kill something you can't eat, or don't want to, instead of going out hunting for what is good for you.

[hoary dawn]

you could just play as a creature with cannibalism in its diet if you want to play that way

[cyan flame]

So if you spend too much time hunting your own, you're most likely stuck with that as food, which may for most critters not be all that good for you. But in that case, play cerato or deino, they're both perfectly fine with cannibalism. Cerato might even prefer it's own kind for all we know :p

[somber wraith]

I’ve never been interested in cerato and deino is boring af for me. So I really don’t have another option. If cerato is fun I’ll eat my words but until then

[vast wolf]

cerato will probably prefer magy and be able to eat pretty much anything and everything.

what do you like then? docktah?

[hoary dawn]

idk if it would prefer magy, but be able to eat it yea

[cyan flame]

Well, we don't know until it's out. But that's kind of how it goes to be fair. You like what you like, and sometimes that doesn't always work out how you want it to.

I adore stego, and I desperately hope it ends up on apex-level strength, but.. well, that's not neccesarily how it will go :p

[vast wolf]

magy is intended to be ceratos counterpart in the same way tenonto is utahs and proto is velos.

[somber wraith]

I play utah yes. I play solo and kill anything I can basically. If there’s rocktahs I target them with a passion so no I’m not a rocktah lmao

[vast wolf]

full tail controls when.

[cyan flame]

Just saying, sometimes we end up liking something that doesn't play quite how we want it to, and well, not much to do to that one

[cyan flame]

I'd love to see that, no matter where stego end up on the powerscale :)

Though if you're solo Red, maybe utah isn't the right choice

[vast wolf]

^
i used to be an anky main back in progression for a long time. ended up playing theri and loved it.

[cyan flame]

If there's ever a pack animal in this game, it's that one. Cerato very much sounds like your style instead

[somber wraith]

I’ve won against other utahs as a solo utah. I can run from anything I don’t think I can take. My only problem is carno

[cyan flame]

That wasn't my point really.. :p

[somber wraith]

Also the other dinos don’t fit my play style really. Carno is a buggy mess still and I like being small and fast

[vast wolf]

thats because carno is fast and decently large but carno is also super easy to avoid. just use cover and your agility.

[hoary dawn]

I always kill my own, doesn't matter if I'm hungry or not, I always kill my own. but i do think its reasonable that not every carnivore will be able to eat whatever it wants to promote diversity

[cyan flame]

Well, maybe Cera will fit you. Just saying, if you prefer the loner style, I don't think utah will be the best choice. You're kind of missing the main point of utah if you go solo after all

[vast wolf]

^

utahs main ploy is pack hunting.

ceratos is being a solo, bully, generalist and scavenger.

[somber wraith]

I do play in packs every now and then but I mostly find playing with others limiting since I get friendly fired a ton by other people. Also I don’t have a lot of friends who play this game

[jovial hazel]

Utah is literally the most fun solo dino in the game right now. Who knows what future additions will bring.

[vast wolf]

cough dryo

[somber wraith]

I honestly forget dryo is playable

[vast wolf]

i cant forget. dryo in evrima is so fun to use to troll.

[cyan flame]

And that is why you make your own pack and teach them properly. No doubt a good few of the randoms you've met and killed might have been happy to team up and learn to work as a good pack :p

[somber wraith]

Utah and tenonto are my most played before the rubberbanding. Ptera is up there now

[vast wolf]

just run rings around deinos and utahs all day.

[cyan flame]

Tenonto is a good animal! :D

[vast wolf]

i dont like the alt attacks on teno as they feel needlessly clunky and restrictive.

[jovial hazel]

Trolling is fun and all. But bleeding out a stego, teno, or carno as a solo utah is probably the most enjoyable thing I've ever done in this game.

[cyan flame]

That's why you switch out the alts for the main attacks :p

[vast wolf]

thats also due to me not practicing much with teno.

i hate that utah can bleed out stego so easy.

[jovial hazel]

It's not that easy. But ok.

[vast wolf]

also any carno that lets you bleed them out is dumb.

[jovial hazel]

I take that back. I agree it was probably too easy before the rubber banding.

[vast wolf]

also solo utah should never even dream of messing with a stego.

[cyan flame]

It's too easy for what stego should be vs what utah should be. But sure, just put your head in a rock and you're good :p

[vast wolf]

in a massive pack maybe.

[jovial hazel]

I can agree with that.

[somber wraith]

I still do feel that the devs aren’t listening to the correct part of the community. They’re pandering to people who play more casually and not more aggressive players who will be the majority when the humans come and all the fps players come to the game

[cyan flame]

Then they can play the mercs :p

And get a good taste of the more horror aspect of the game

[vast wolf]

i would very much enjoy hunting mercs.

[somber wraith]

Also I’ve killed adult stegos as solo utah

[cyan flame]

Besides, they're still making it a hardcore survival game

[vast wolf]

namely with bary.

[cyan flame]

So not sure on the casual, but hardcore does not equate to "kill everything you find all the time" to be fair

[jovial hazel]

I feel like humans could be the most fun prey for utah, too.

[cyan flame]

Aggressive does not mean hardcore, maybe your style isn't what they're going for, but that does not mean the game will be easy or casual because of that

[cyan flame]

Troodon mimicry, mess with the humans :p

[vast wolf]

hate troodon mimicry more than it being a velo ripoff.

[somber wraith]

Yeah but how would you feel if you came across a ton of dinos just sitting in a cuddle puddle t bagging eachother and only eating ai and not fighting other people. And when you shoot then they stand still and type in chat to run to their friends.

[cyan flame]

Troodon mimicry human calls.. :p

[somber wraith]

Came across that as a human *

[feral solstice]

There is no “correct” part of the community. Wtf are you smoking

[somber wraith]

Treestars

[jovial hazel]

If they want a hardcore survival, there is definitely a big part of the community who has no interest in that.

[feral solstice]

That’s picking sides, which is not a good thing when it comes to development.

[cyan flame]

Shoot them all? :p Or do whatever mercs are supposed to do I guess. I don't know if they're here to hunt dinos or do something else.

[vast wolf]

also very few people get into cuddle puddles in this game. those are restricted mostly to clans or mixpackers and mixpacking will cause issues down the line.

[cyan flame]

If they don't run away then they die, though you'd be out of ammo I guess, and then you'll die to some random raptor :p

But with herbi diets, I can see that generating some decent competition

Or at least I hope so

Same with carnis if less harsh

[somber wraith]

I’m going to shoot get tile lag or rubber banding and run into my own bullet

[cyan flame]

But the game will be hardcore survival, they've said as much, though what exactly that means might not be entirely clear

[vast wolf]

not how guns will work.

[somber wraith]

Yeah but if the tile teleports me in front of my bullet it might work like that

[vast wolf]

it wont

[cyan flame]

Performance will be fixed at some point, but that's an ongoing thing

And it doesn't mean they can't work on new mechanics and stuff as well

[vast wolf]

dosent work like that in any other game with guns i know of.

[somber wraith]

Yeah cause those games with guns don’t have rubber banding or tile lag

[vast wolf]

get diets and core mechanics in along with bug fixed soon. get in animals and less important things (venom) later.

[cyan flame]

We get it, trust you me Red. I know how bad teleporting and shit was when Evrima first launched, you're preaching to the choir as it were. But they are working on performance, or so it's said at least. As well as proper mechanics and a gameplay loop, so there's more to do than afk grow, kill, die, rinse and repeat. We need a proper game, not "delayed deathmatch".

[somber wraith]

Ik how bad it was too. I never went back to legacy after evrima came out

But I agree. I just think they need to get their priorities straight and listen to their community more. I don’t mean the part that just wants dinos and stuff to get rid of stuff like cannibalism, kos, and other things like that. I mean the part that wants a hardcore human vs dinos pvp survival game.

[hoary dawn]

they definitely heard when the community asked for mechanics over dinos

[cyan flame]

It's not really human vs dinos though, we don't even know what mercs are about yet. And it's not PvP, it's PvPvE, it's all part of it. Getting rid of cannibalism or at least limit it, just as limiting mindless killing isn't going to make it less hardcore. Can you kill on sight, sure. Should it be reasonable to do so in a proper survival game, not so much. Where's the risk vs reward, where's the calculations of if it's worth fighting in the first place, where's the actual choices and rewards for remaining alive? We need diets, elders, nesting, all those mechanics that provide a gameplay loop and a reason to actually care about your life and all that. The game can and most likely still will be hardcore and difficult to survive in, in one way or another.

[hoary dawn]

@lusty umbra dryo

[vast wolf]

hypsi

oro

[still raptor]

@urban bear So from using your logic, you also would advocate for Ptera not being able to skim? If you still want Ptera to be able to skim properly, this is what you get.

[honest sparrow]

Insanely cursed

[still raptor]

It's using their logic because Pteranodon couldn't take off like an Albatross.

[hoary dawn]

"was"

our saviors at Apollo Engineering have given ptera the power of running takeoff

[urban bear]

and using your logic you want the animal to be able to be to do something its physically incapable of doing petrasaurs could not walk on 2 legs

[honest sparrow]

Our sponsor rai-

[safe galleon]

so you want everything to be accurate?

[still raptor]

yea, he does

[safe galleon]

aight boys shut it down, no more strains, no more humans, no more buildings, everything needs to be remodeled and no more cool unique abilities

[swift dew]

at least skimming looks good, the thing running on two legs looks absolutly ridiculous

[still raptor]

I don't have a problem with that tbh. It gives the animal a unique thing that differentiates it from others Pterasaurs.

[feral solstice]

Literally give it a bat hop takeoff instead

[still raptor]

What time are we going in? We can't have a Rex with a Dilo

[hoary dawn]

using all of this logic the isle cant exist as its set in a fictional world where genetically modified "dinosaurs" were created and set loose on a tropical island, that dont sound very accurate to real life to me

[safe galleon]

isle is now the google dinosaur game

[still raptor]

But hey, we can't gloss over that because it's the isle

[urban bear]

no it just looks stupid

[feral solstice]

So this takeoff?

[paper oriole]

Isnt ornithopoda a clade not a family

Also tf is this guy suggesting lol

[urban bear]

we already have a takeoff from all 4s

just make a different variation of that one

[still raptor]

There is a different variation. It's called the albatross take off.

[feral solstice]

I don’t really care about the albatross take off

It looks cool

But I don’t really care about it

[urban bear]

it looks kinda dumb

[still raptor]

I think it looks nice.

But then again, that's subjective.

[honest sparrow]

I’d rather they just rebalance it so it isn’t worthless

[urban bear]

some people like it some people dont thats fine, but that doesn't change the fact that it shouldn't be a thing

they could replace it with the same thing but the ptera crouches down and jumps when you press space

[honest sparrow]

You mean the quad launch? Which is already in game?

[urban bear]

yeah but like a version of it where the ptera does it while running

[still raptor]

Hence the Albatross take off

[honest sparrow]

So you just want an animation change

[urban bear]

yeah so it looks normal

[still raptor]

But we already..... nvm

[urban bear]

it doesn't have to be something entirely different just an animation change to make it something the animal could actually do while it was alive

so instead of taking off on 2 feet it runs then does the quad take off while in motion

[vast wolf]

or just remove the running takeoff.

[honest sparrow]

Honestly I think all running takeoffs look kinda stupid so I’m indifferent

I’d rather they just balance it in a way that makes sense

[keen reef]

I mean I've almost died from like 10ft drops so I guess that's just the randomness of fall damage, still it seems far too high for a light, strong legged animal

[paper oriole]

How is ptera going to carry anything bigger than a dead compy lol

People think he's an eagle or some shit

[fleet oasis]

you're right

[paper oriole]

He also isnt supposed to be an active predator

He is a fisher and scavenger

Sure a good ptera can bully and kill some people but it isnt supposed to be his niche

[hybrid matrix]

Fish predator

[fleet oasis]

its a stupid idea

[paper oriole]

Fish terminator

[fleet oasis]

I was thinking along the lines of them being able to pick up baby pteras for whatever reason

to put back in the nest or smth

[paper oriole]

His beak isnt good for gripping animals like that

It would look weird

[keen reef]

Let them perish

[fleet oasis]

his beak?

no

I mean the legs

picking it up by the legs

[hybrid matrix]

Even worse

Pull up the toe pic

[paper oriole]

No

No

[fleet oasis]

oh damn is it really that small?

[paper oriole]

Yeah

Bowtie pasta feet

[keen reef]

Seems pretty good for snatching stuff up to me

[paper oriole]

lol no

[fleet oasis]

k yeah I get it

someone said that it would be more suited for the quetz

and seeing the legs

I agree with them now

[paper oriole]

Cut the last 2 digits off your fingers and try grabbing a cat or smthn have fun

And pteras legs are atrophied af compared to a humans arms

[vast wolf]

quetz would still be unable to grab things with its legs.

just swallow them whole.

[fleet oasis]

lol

[keen reef]

if pokemon can do it so can I

[paper oriole]

No!!!!!1!

Maybe quetz (and sucho) can have a store mechanic where they can keep things in their mouth and spit them out for the babies but those fuckers aint carrying shit with their feet lol

[fleet oasis]

lol

huh

thats a good idea but idk if the rest of the community will agree

k bye

[keen reef]

With how long their beaks are that'd be like a literal avalanche of food that'd crush the children

I'm all for it

[hoary dawn]

add a perk that makes ptera's claws super long and sharp so it can grab stuff 🙂

[vast wolf]

no

just have it impale them or swallow them whole.

[honest sparrow]

Have a perk that makes it’s beak super sharp and big so it can pick stuff up

[hoary dawn]

or

teeth perk

toothes ptera

[barren zephyr]

Gwt

[honest sparrow]

GWT*

[barren zephyr]

what

[honest sparrow]

You didn’t capitalize

[hoary dawn]

I always capitalize

[barren zephyr]

who

[icy lion]

keep this on topic, please

[valid elk]

Alright, tell me your thoughts

Any disagreements or thoughts against what I think?

[barren zephyr]

If I’m being honest. I’m not a fan of magy but this idea actually makes the animal somewhat enjoyable. instead of making it look ridiculous by outrunning a cera or an Allo. Good job.

[valid elk]

I thought it fit, since it is a Titanosaur and they looked like that.

[steep swallow]

It does indeed - it keeps within the realism aspect, looks nice as an isle dino still, and makes it not absolutely pathetic

[valid elk]

And, it makes sense as both defensive and attack style thing

Magy shoulder checks animals, and actual Titanosaur spikes would push that into a more offensive attack.

I dunno, I just think it fits better than trying to make it a speed demon.

[paper oriole]

Give magy over the top ampelo armour lol

[valid elk]

Nah.

Anyone have anymore thoughts on it?

[hoary dawn]

i do like it

[steep warren]

@valid elk I like the idea alot it would help magy and would also be alot of fun

[lusty umbra]

hm

[hoary dawn]

magy being a semi-tanky cc animal instead of the underdog poisonous speed demon is definitely more appealing

[lusty umbra]

Honestly the lambeosaurus inst a bad idea

[steep warren]

I made a other suggestion a while back where i said magy could be immune to poison and venom a while back but i like the idea of him being a tank much more then being immune or having a resistance too poison and venom

[hoary dawn]

ye

[lusty umbra]

spikes on the suropods

[valid elk]

Yeah, Titanosaurs and Diplodocids have spikes on them.

Anyone else wanna tell me their thoughts on it?

[swift dew]

My thoughts

[valid elk]

Haha

[paper oriole]

if kiwis were aggro to troodons it would just be free food...

[patent garden]

ah but have you considered: cute bird

[paper oriole]

i mean its cute but

free troodon food

[patent garden]

isnt half of AI kinda going to be that?

and tacos?

[paper oriole]

if tacos ran up and tried to kick a troodon in the face yeah

[patent garden]

and anything that burrows?

[paper oriole]

it would be dumb as hell lol

[patent garden]

since troodons can get into burrows anyways

[paper oriole]

this guy wants kiwis to just hand themselves to troodons basically

tacos could at least have complex burrow systems with escapes and maybe the ability to cave in sections

kiwis would just be a happy meal

[patent garden]

hm tru, my suggestion is to then have the kiwis insta-kill troodons with a claw kick to the brain

[valid elk]

Tactical friend deploying.

Puts Kiwi down

[tall oasis]

my heart is melting because of how cute that is

i wish i had friends

[valid elk]

Mercs with cute kiwi emblems on guns?

Thoughts?

[compact hare]

Cute birb
but food

[tall oasis]

it deals a kick, some of the strongest kicks of any bird

[compact hare]

oh really?

How big are they ?

[tall oasis]

yee i pretty sure

[paper oriole]

theyre like a fat compy sized

[tall oasis]

like this hold on

[tall oasis]

wat?

[valid elk]

I don't think I need to change anything on on the Magy suggestion, but...anyone have any thoughts on my suggestion?

[paper oriole]

theyre about the size of a tailless compy with feathers

[tall oasis]

they r size of a basket ball times 2

[valid elk]

I'll take that as a no.

[paper oriole]

your magy suggestion beats it just tasting bad and maybe pushing a cera over a bit

[tall oasis]

well even if so, they still have one of the strongest kicks, think of it as powerful as a tiny pachy (that isn't homalo). Also there are several different specias of kiwi, that is one of the smaller ones. But the females get HUGE

[steep swallow]

Their eggs could make one hell of a snack for ovis, too - atleast if AI ever gets that far as nesting

[tall oasis]

who knows

if my suggestion gets popular somehow, i hope they get added lmao

[honest sparrow]

Make kiwi able to be a ninja and make cool monke games

[tall oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/run-kiwi-cute-bird-gif-15759703

big boi

[steep swallow]

otherwise I would love kiwi birds, best animal

[vale pawn]

kiwi

[tall oasis]

kiwis r nearly extict, that is why we are raising awareness by making them ai that u can hunt!

....

https://tenor.com/view/kiwi-crazy-loosing-shit-gif-7317442

[vale pawn]

hmm yes, we must save them, hunting time

[tall oasis]

yes lol

they must be saved!

dondi pls

[compact hare]

SOGLSBS THEY ARE SO CUTE I cant

[tall oasis]

who?

[compact hare]

Kiwis

[tall oasis]

YES4

they r cute

https://tenor.com/view/kiwi-bird-esmbot-gif-20966759

https://tenor.com/view/kiwi-crazy-loosing-shit-gif-7317442

https://tenor.com/view/run-kiwi-cute-bird-gif-15759703

https://tenor.com/view/bird-strutting-walking-kiwi-moves-gif-16177732

[vale pawn]

thats not a kiwi

[paper oriole]

isnt that a woodcock

weird ass birds, still good animals

[tall oasis]

yes

it came up when i searched kiwi in gifs

[tall oasis]

The Isle needs more cute, this is how u get that, by adding these cuties

gtg

[swift dew]

and technically they are still dinosaurs

[tall oasis]

have a good time with the kiwiws

[tall oasis]

true, they have dino feet

basically dinos

[swift dew]

not basically, literally

[tall oasis]

and they lived near the time of the dinosaurs

[swift dew]

birds are technically dinosaurs

[tall oasis]

well yeah

[vale pawn]

birdosaurus

[tall oasis]

yes

[paper oriole]

i mean theyre cute but they shouldnt be aggro to literally anything but maybe compies because at that point theyre just donating themselves as free food that no predator needs

[tall oasis]

u r a dino, ur pp is a pigeon

[tall oasis]

well they stand against snakes and owls

BIG owls

[paper oriole]

yeah and snakes and owls arent troodons

[tall oasis]

yes but...

[paper oriole]

troodon players dont need food literally handing itself to them

[tall oasis]

they would have to think twice before tackling these birbs, they have talons just like ovi

and the females gat large

[valid elk]

Yeah, I can't think of anything else for Magy.

[tall oasis]

magy sucks

it is shit

[paper oriole]

large as in like chicken sized still

[tall oasis]

the definition of shit

[valid elk]

Well then.

[tall oasis]

nah like turkey

[paper oriole]

magy should just spawn in as a gorepile

[tall oasis]

LOL

omg

[vale pawn]

magy island

[tall oasis]

how am i getting upvotes

[valid elk]

I am asking for serious thoughts lads.

[tall oasis]

i am already after posting it 15mins ago at 13 upvotes

[gritty helm]

everyone likes Kiwi's

[tall oasis]

yes

indeed

if my kiwiws son't get added.....

i might die

https://tenor.com/view/kiwi-bird-esmbot-gif-20966759

https://tenor.com/view/kiwi-gif-5143537

yummy

[vale pawn]

kiwi

[tall oasis]

kiwi'

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[paper oriole]

as long as they dont put themselves on a silver platter for troodons/other dinos theyre fine honestly

[tall oasis]

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[paper oriole]

i still think them aggroing at troodons is stupid af

literally free food

[tall oasis]

my keyborard wtf

[paper oriole]

is a kick going to deter a troodon that is larger and has venom? nope

[tall oasis]

keep in mind how powerful it's kick is heck a ovi kicked a troodon in the concept

its a giant turkey

[vast wolf]

kiwis making burrow extentions off of other burrowing herbivores.

[hoary dawn]

a kiwi would be microscopic compared to pretty much everything and it wouldn't be a good source of food unless you're a compy or a baby small

but we still need them

[vast wolf]

kiwi and hoamlo burrows.

[paper oriole]

ovi weighs more

[tall oasis]

they are also very fast watsh

[paper oriole]

kiwi is liek 10-11lb

[tall oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/run-kiwi-cute-bird-gif-15759703

[paper oriole]

a kiwi kicking a troodon would be like getting kicked in the face by a cat, sure it kind of hurts but it wont stop you at all

[tall oasis]

they are like utah fast at least

[tall oasis]

well it isn't supposed to be a monster that kills everything

and plus they could be rare

[paper oriole]

i know i didnt even suggest that lol

[vast wolf]

kiwi using other burrowers as protection.

[tall oasis]

oh

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