general-feedback-discussion

[paper oriole]

meh, unless a magy can actually punish people its just gonna be kfs bait

making it just a more boring tenonto would be a bit bleh

personally not set on brawler magy anyway but jawbreak is fair for slow animals to inflict

[hoary dawn]

CC magy is the best i've seen to make it work

[barren zephyr]

Gwt

[dense wagon]

true. but jawlocking is always kinda a bad thing because it makes the inflicter invincible against all attacks from those carnivores

[paper oriole]

not really, some carnis get abilities with their claws

like allo, sucho, utah, spino, probaby others

[hoary dawn]

giving it a shoulder check to knock people over and then a stomp to do enough damage to scare them away but not a ridiculous amount

[paper oriole]

they would have to fuck up and tank a couple face hits to have their jaw too broken to bite with

magy's tail doesnt look like it's gonna go all dinosaur revolution on an adult allo's face

[dense wagon]

cera, the one animal that's supposed to be fine eating magy would be vulnerable though
dilo and others would also be helpless against magy. this would likely cause magy players to chase carnis that dont have claw attacks

[paper oriole]

magy isnt really fast enough to chase anyone unless it has insane stam, and dilo shouldnt be hunting it if it's actually supposed to be unpalatable to most dinos

cera's pretty thick, maybe he can be resistant to fractures in general? honestly not sure, i wish we never got magy to begin with lol

but in general i think jawbreak should be a defense for some slow defensives, especially anky

[dense wagon]

regardless, they'd still do it
just like a few stego players do now, except more actively

[paper oriole]

people actually get run down by stegos? how the fuck

[dense wagon]

they don't but the stegos still try

its annoying

[barren zephyr]

Stegos are usually desperate rex players in disguise so, makes sense

[paper oriole]

and its not all that worse than leg fractures that are also basically a death sentence if you get enough stacks if they work like that

[dense wagon]

the devs want to move away from fractures being DS don't they

[paper oriole]

i thought they wanted to move away form them being instant fight finishers like bb

with multiple stages of fracture

so instead of getting a breaking attack on your leg and becoming instant cripple, you would start out with hindered movement that would get worse with each breaking blow to that spot until it is a full break

[limber hull]

i think fractures would def make fights harder, and if you were surrounded by pachys, you wouldn't have a nice time.

[paper oriole]

pachy cartels breaking your knee caps

[limber hull]

probably yea

pachy packs would be terrifying

catch you out of position for a moment and you aren't walking away

it'd take a brave or strong motherfucker to go up against a large pack of pachys and risk their entire skeletal system for food

[paper oriole]

imagine sitting around chilling and 6 pachys come busting out of the trees and smash your ribcage before you can stand up lmao

[hoary dawn]

cant wait for the flood of complaints about pachy war parties fracturing a thing so bad it can barely walk and then just leaving

[paper oriole]

legacy rexes crippling mids and other apexes and then just watching them suffer flashbacks

[hoary dawn]

ffs

fracture for sport

[limber hull]

imo, pachy will really fall behind as a solo animal but absolutely prosper in any pack, with literally any herbivore. It'd likely have enough speed/stamina to keep up with tenonto and fight alongside it, could cause opponents running around a steg to become far more susceptible to attack, or simply work with other pachys to annihilate a creature's entire skeleton

[barren zephyr]

pachy needs to epically one shot carno if it gets a good hit in the leg

[limber hull]

i cant see a solo pachy managing to do much in any scenario

[hoary dawn]

the pachies

they're in the bushes

[limber hull]

pack pachy meta when

[barren zephyr]

better Utah

[limber hull]

i personally see pachy as the utah of herbivores. Utah is the king of bleed, pachy the king of fractures. Both have pretty similar sizes, love moving in packs and will tend to ruin your day if they surround you.

[feral solstice]

Perfect because they’re equal adversaries

More or less whoever gets the first blow with their specials, wins

Utah pounces Pachy? Rip pachy

Pachy shows how American he is with Utah? Rip Utah’s entire ego

[limber hull]

it's going to be good fun for a utah pack v pachy pack fight imo

[feral solstice]

Teno v Carno is a good matchup

Wait till Utah v Pachy

[ashen wasp]

Utah v Wyoming, a battle for the ages

[paper oriole]

"make predators super easy to upkeep and you'll have a flourishing ecosystem"

does this guy know that when people dont get hungry fast they just KFS anyway?

all this would do is help idiots sit in bushes afk to grow a predator and then join some megapack to shitstomp lone players and smaller groups

[hoary dawn]

its

supposed to be hard

[paper oriole]

maybe he should go play path of titans where the game spawns free food for carnis and everybody sits by a lake and mobs anyone who tries to pvp

[hoary dawn]

at least its realistic

[broken hare]

lol

[paper oriole]

i should be able to grow just by eating clams once in a while and sitting in a chatroom

[broken hare]

what you getting butt hurt for

[paper oriole]

aint butthurt mate, just amused

[broken hare]

1 carno needs 100 food every 2 hours(1 adult utah) Then 1 adult utah should take 1 hr 30 to grow or a bit less

Thats the main thing i want

Food needs to grow faster than consumption rate

[paper oriole]

isnt utah only like 75min rn

[honest sparrow]

ye

[paper oriole]

and there are armies of them rolling over people

[broken hare]

Thats an example mate

I dont know how long it takes

But the concept

[paper oriole]

they should push utah back to 90 minutes honestly

[honest sparrow]

it works fine at 75 or 90

[broken hare]

The concept of growth rate > consumption rate is what im reffering to

[paper oriole]

now that juvies can pounce too they should raise it back to its old grow

[broken hare]

You going to another topic now.

[paper oriole]

one of your comments was utah growth lol

[broken hare]

It was used as an example...

[paper oriole]

and its still a part of the feedback

[broken hare]

How old are you?

im 23

[hoary dawn]

oh boy

[paper oriole]

lmfao speaking of going off topic

[broken hare]

Look you missed the whole point

Atleast let me know im talking to an adult

[paper oriole]

also if a carno only has to eat every 2 hours people will fucking sit in a bush and afk grow while watching youtube and wasting a server slot so no thanks

go enjoy legacy while it lasts if you want that

[icy lion]

if you cant be civil then you shouldnt be having this conversation at all

i suggest you shape up

[broken hare]

You think he got my point?

lunary

[honest sparrow]

he did, he just disagreed lmao

[broken hare]

He went off a tangent

[icy lion]

doesnt matter. be civil or dont have a conversation at all

[broken hare]

i didnt disrespect him

What are you talking about

[honest sparrow]

and that's enough to whip out the "I must be talking to a kid because he doesn't agree"?

[broken hare]

Alright boys, lets end it here

[hoary dawn]

asking if someone is a child when they dont agree with you is pretty disrespectful

[limber hull]

i enjoy this convo very much

[blissful iron]

was very entertaining

[broken hare]

lol

[limber hull]

summary:
"do this"
"i disagree"
"child"

[broken hare]

I didnt call him a child come on now

Dont be putting words in my mouth

[limber hull]

you absolutely did lmao

[honest sparrow]

ahem

[broken hare]

Thats for me to see if its worth it to continue the convo

[honest sparrow]

lmfao

[icy lion]

and thats exactly why i told you to stop

[broken hare]

Look, i made an analogy using an Utah

he made my point the Utah

[honest sparrow]

he used your example to form another example on why he disagreed my guy

[broken hare]

Ay man, im speechless

[hoary dawn]

all that utah growth stuff aside, the game being made easier would cause more problems than it would solve

and no i am not a child

[broken hare]

Its Growth rate > consumption rate

Forget Utah

[hoary dawn]

i did

that is why i said "all that utah growth stuff aside"

[swift dew]

i mean, that is already how it is. the growth rate of creatures is already far longer than that of the consumption rate of most animals. if that is what you are asking for

[broken hare]

Why would it make more problems though

[broken hare]

Yeah it needs to be shorter, thats what i meant

sorry maybe bad explanation

Consuming faster than food grows makes you extinct

[hoary dawn]

cuz then people would afk grow instead of going out and doing things

[broken hare]

I think people are already doing that though

[swift dew]

not necesarily

[honest sparrow]

people are doing it but it doesn't mean they should do it

[hoary dawn]

people do already do that, and its an issue that the devs are trying to find natural ways to solve

[broken hare]

ye we dont disagree there

[hoary dawn]

the next major update will encourage movement around the map

[broken hare]

But anyways my point was growth rate and consumption

cant post again there

[paper oriole]

considering AI replenishes itself and many playables already have fast growths, the argument of consuming food faster than it grows is kinda lost

the ecosystem in the game catches up

[broken hare]

Bro i never saw a land Ai in Evrima

[hoary dawn]

there are ai dryos

[paper oriole]

the AI ight now is fucky and spawns in weird spots

theyre adding more later

[swift dew]

i have seen plenty, you might not be looking in the right places. but yeah, it is a bit weird

[honest sparrow]

I tend to find a lot of them in the northern areas and plains

[paper oriole]

also on active servers there's hotspots and usually bodies laying around because people are KFSing all over the place

[broken hare]

Yeah ok if they add more Ai, it nullifies my point

[hoary dawn]

jwe style profiles would be awesome

[haughty forge]

Well they already did add more AI, before the last patch I knew some neat spot to find them now I can find even more. So there is indeed more AI. You still have to find them they won't always make noise but they are here PLUS, some of them are close to the water. It is maybe not much in the eyes of some people but they did it.

[feral solstice]

For one, ai spawns where there’s less players for some reason.

2, they wander AWAY from hotspots

So they ARE plentiful, but their spawns need to be adjusted and moved somewhere else

[paper oriole]

Honestly its not an issue that they arent near hotspots, but they should be relatively close to water sources

A lot of them are in desolate ass spots away from water, they shouldnt be feeding hotspots, they should be encouraging people to move to other livable areas

[feral solstice]

Hopefully, Amarok programming the AI to drink water encourages them to head towards water sources

still I’m waiting for Deinos to lunge AI dryos only for the AI to moonwalk out of the deinos mouth

[late flower]

@marsh glacier you mean being able to buck?

[hoary dawn]

having a random chance to spawn with a disadvantage is a no no

spawn in a nest

[azure wadi]

Proceeds to get sunburn

[hoary dawn]

people would just kill themselves and get nested again

[azure wadi]

Being completely white is a camouflage disadvantage

[hoary dawn]

what

[barren zephyr]

BoB

[hoary dawn]

beasts of bermuda shouldn't be an example for good mechanics

[barren zephyr]

yeah

BOB is half baked

[manic flint]

All of these Dino games are half baked lol

[barren zephyr]

also albinism doesnt really affect much, it just makes you more vulnerable to sunburn

...

[hoary dawn]

getting nested in with a disadvantage randomly isn't good

[barren zephyr]

Also Melanism is not detrimental

[manic flint]

And?

[hoary dawn]

still

[barren zephyr]

Rng in a survival game

[manic flint]

No

[late flower]

Lol it's probably gonna end up being a super hard to get skin/perk

either way

[hoary dawn]

it would still be an unnecessary annoyance to anyone that gets it

[manic flint]

Not up to rng

[late flower]

ppl don't really like rng when they spawn

[icy lion]

random number generation

aka chance

[barren zephyr]

In felines, melanism aids in camouflage, thermoregulation and parasite resistance

[manic flint]

Like I'd just die so I can actually camouflage

[late flower]

this

[manic flint]

And not get killed as a baby

[late flower]

most ppl gonna do that

[barren zephyr]

Though yet again unlike dinosaurs, cats and their prey are generally partly colourblind

[manic flint]

It should be a choice
A challenge

[hoary dawn]

i think at most make it an unlockable skin so people can play with even harder difficulty willingly

[barren zephyr]

Melanism is more common than albinism, not the other way round

[hoary dawn]

with those odds why add it at all

[barren zephyr]

Yes it is.

[late flower]

but it should be actually difficult to get otherwise everyone's gonna meme as an albino I reckon

[manic flint]

It shouldnt be chance tho that's dumb

[late flower]

breaking mUh eMeRsIon

[manic flint]

Make it a choice for a challenge

[late flower]

cool idea to have albinism and melanism but bad idea to have it be based on chance at birth

[barren zephyr]

or actually albinism is slightly more common, but isnt it also species dependent

[manic flint]

Yes

[icy lion]

i believe so yes

[barren zephyr]

Melanism is not as detrimental as albinism

[hoary dawn]

any form of advantage/disadvantages should never be up to chance

[icy lion]

since of course you have jaguars and/or leopards where melanism is very common

[late flower]

randomly spawn as an albino carno
think to yourself "woah this is kinda cool"
get insta killed by a bigger carno because he wanted to see what you taste like

You also gotta remember this is a game

[manic flint]

So? Why out them in a Dino game

[icy lion]

choosing it at spawn in character creation is different from randomly getting it nested

if its got so many detriments id rather leave it as a choice

so i could go into hard mode when i want and not randomly

[manic flint]

Exactly my point

[vale pawn]

imagine some new player customizing their skin, getting an albino variant and being like "this sucks"

[icy lion]

because going off of your suggestion both would be considered hard mode, melanism less so

[late flower]

but also I think if it's open to choice and is easy to get, we're gonna get meme packs of people ganging up on anyone else who isn't an albino

so it's actually gotta be hard to get

[icy lion]

id be fine with albinism having detriments like the suggestion mentions but only if i can choose it

[barren zephyr]

If your skin is pale white, you are gonna easily get sunburnt on a baking plain

[hoary dawn]

that would be the reaction most players new or not

no one wants a random setback

[manic flint]

People do albanism as a challenge in legacy

[icy lion]

albinism is hardmode in this game

[manic flint]

Yes

[icy lion]

yea i used to

[barren zephyr]

so pigmentation should have some consequences

[icy lion]

even without the debuffs mentioned, being albino is still essentially new game+

id like to choose whether i turn the difficulty up to 11

[barren zephyr]

also Melanism on things like Utah could actually be simply a darker version with the patterning visible still, as is the case in jaguars

[manic flint]

Listen

If youre growing a spino
It'll prob take like 6+ hours
So why would you make it 10 times harder???

[honest sparrow]

I'm still of the albino cannibalism camp

[hoary dawn]

im still of the killing my own camp

[late flower]

literally imagine you have a 1/10000 chance of being an albino, you will be murdered by everyone on official servers because no rules and people will do it for fun

[honest sparrow]

it doesn't matter if he's hungry

[icy lion]

even if youre not hungry?

oh wow

[late flower]

society

[barren zephyr]

This sort of thing with utahs where the spots and stripes can still be seen

[manic flint]

Saying everyone will pick it is false

[icy lion]

^

legacy had albino options

[manic flint]

I know I won't

[icy lion]

not very common

[manic flint]

I like the natural greens and browns

[late flower]

Were there packs of everyone being albino

on legacy

[icy lion]

not in my experience

i remember being an albino dilo as a challenge for myself, found a pack, and was the only one visible in nv

[honest sparrow]

the cheeto white utahs were a pain to look at but they weren't exactly albino

nor was everyone looking like that

[icy lion]

ive seen pale skins but actual white skins are hard to find in my experience

depends on the species

[manic flint]

^

[barren zephyr]

ping

[honest sparrow]

you got pinged btw

[icy lion]

different types of animals use different pigments throughout their body, which affects how pigment mutations make them appear

[barren zephyr]

this makes me very sad

[late flower]

lol

[silk heath]

very true

[icy lion]

albino snakes and other reptiles tend to end up yellow, and a separate mutation called leucism makes them actually white

[barren zephyr]

Albino is a total lack of melanin

[silk heath]

I dont know how I feel about being albino though

[paper oriole]

Are nesting genetics from parents still a planned thing?

[barren zephyr]

There is leucism, which means less melanin than usual but not a total lack of it

[honest sparrow]

idk personally I would like to choose to be a albino or melanisitc rather than be strucken with 1 by chance

[manic flint]

This is really obvious in certain species of snakes. Albino snakes of certain species aren't as white as some other colours, like a snow morph and colouration snake.

[icy lion]

yup, and species that only use melanin will end up being almost if not completely white

[manic flint]

It's an almost off white

[silk heath]

punch said that they are planning for the parents to inherit there colors/patterns etc to the child as I remember correctly

[icy lion]

yea, designer breeds have really shown the differences in pigment mutations you can have

[barren zephyr]

this lion is not an albino

[manic flint]

But yea bad idea for random chance in a game

[paper oriole]

Oh i meant like parents who have perks or lack them due to not following dietary requirements

[icy lion]

i dont like the idea of rng in the game in any form tbh

[silk heath]

oh of that I dont know of

[icy lion]

ideally therell be ways to reduce randomness as much as possible

[honest sparrow]

hopefully

[manic flint]

Please yes

[barren zephyr]

Albino pythons are yellowish, because of a yellow pigment still remaining

we don’t need rng in a survival game where blending in with your surroundings is a key to survivability. imagine being a rex and you can’t catch anything because you stick out like a infected thumb. not fun.

[paper oriole]

Because shitty parents could have a chance to spawn a leucistic offspring maybe, so you only risk the punishment when accepting nests from bad parents

[barren zephyr]

yeah

TI is about survival, not showing off.

[manic flint]

^

[late flower]

could make it so that only good traits are inherited

Either baseline dino or improved, not nerfed

[honest sparrow]

if your parents are shitty oftentimes your gonna turn out shitty

[hoary dawn]

your

[barren zephyr]

Melanism is less of a con than albinism, though the only real benefit is in darker areas like forests where you can more easily blend in than your regularly coloured counterparts

[paper oriole]

If you can see the genetic features of the matriarch/patriarch in the nesting menu then bad traits could be inherited as well since you know what you're risking

[barren zephyr]

Like sure, having some semi decent colors are cool. but being fully white as a carnivore means certain starvation. and with herbivore you’re just gonna get spotted instantly and die

[icy lion]

yup, completely depends on the environment, which imo is why having either as an rng option is a bad idea

[silk heath]

the only thing I want is baby/juvie carrying it would be a lot easier for the baby/juvies just like in the movies

[barren zephyr]

Rng should stay with….other game genres…..

[icy lion]

a plains or mountain hunter will be super unsuccessful with melanism

just as a jungle hunter will do terribly with albinism

[barren zephyr]

Jaguars and leopards are mostly in dense vegetation after all

ambush predators like rex and allo would just. die.

Allosaurus in particular, since it is in open plains mostly

Rex would likely spend time in open gallery forests/dry forests where it can freely move around

Yeah, but then you have the problem of other apexes seeing you which isn’t fun to be honest

yes

albino apex isn’t a good idea at all unless you’re trying to do a death speed run

shit dinner

[silk heath]

I just hope albino doesnt come into the game it wont be fun

[barren zephyr]

well, if we keep downgrading suggestions like that we should be fine

well if people decide to deliberately be albinos, then that is their own problem

just free food for the players who actually want to survive

yeah

[late flower]

either way, currently the arguably ambush predators such as carno and deino barely act like ambush predators at all anyway

[barren zephyr]

Carnotaurus is an open pursuer

[late flower]

We'd need some mechanics fixed first, but the whole albino thing could be cool if done properly

[barren zephyr]

Practically the terrestrial apex predator as of now

[late flower]

yeah

[barren zephyr]

Also despite being likened to a cheetah, I would not say carno is like one

[late flower]

Perhaps it will be a locked skin only available for super hard achievement?

[barren zephyr]

a super hard achievement to die right away

Because cheetahs are extremely reliant on outmanoeuvring prey, and they mostly hunt in forests instead of open plains

[late flower]

it's like a cheetah if cheetahs just face tanked everything apart from stegos and crocs

[patent garden]

why should it even be a super hard achievement tho

its literally just a skin

[honest sparrow]

They are alike in basic role rather than specifics

[late flower]

so it's not too common like albinism irl was my thought process

[barren zephyr]

Carno is just carno. can’t really compare it to any other animal

[barren zephyr]

they are clearly not alike in basic role, either

[patent garden]

then just have it be random

[barren zephyr]

yeah

[honest sparrow]

Well carno is designed to be anyway

[late flower]

no lol

[patent garden]

like only those who get nested in can have it

[barren zephyr]

no

[honest sparrow]

Random chance sucks

Especially in a game like this

[barren zephyr]

Rng in a survival game

[patent garden]

"super hard achievement" for a single life of albinism/melanism also sucks

its rng that literally doesnt even matter tho

its just a fun skin

[icy lion]

i dont think they ever said for a single life

i think they meant you get an achievement, you unlock albinism/albino-like colors

[patent garden]

so then someone gets the achievement and just keeps spawning in as an albino?

[late flower]

this

[icy lion]

i mean if they want to play hard mode forever sure

[patent garden]

how would that keep it rare?

[late flower]

so the vast majority of playerbase doesn't have it was the thinking

[icy lion]

albinism is naturally rare even in legacy because it makes the game insanely hard

[barren zephyr]

Unlockable skins sounds interesting. but I would do it for skins that actually help you in game.

[patent garden]

"even in legacy" bruh where

[icy lion]

adding a qualifier on top of that will make it more rare

[patent garden]

there were a million white rexes

[icy lion]

not in my experience there werent

[barren zephyr]

White rexes spread like the plague in legacy

[icy lion]

unless youre talking about the corny sticky utah mimic skins

[patent garden]

any animal that could be made hella pale, was made hella pale and it was certainly not some kind of enormous handicap

[icy lion]

it certainly doesnt help you survive

[patent garden]

sure

[barren zephyr]

ambush predators need the camouflage

[icy lion]

so why have it be rng?

[patent garden]

but its not some enormous handicap -- or at least it wasnt in legacy

[barren zephyr]

It kinda was tbh

[patent garden]

im just saying rng would be better than making it an achievement

[barren zephyr]

white allos especially

[patent garden]

that way people cant just spam it once they have it

[icy lion]

i dont really see a problem with that

if they want to be easier to see so be it

[patent garden]

the whole point is to keep albinism rare tho, like it would be irl

[barren zephyr]

just free food to the real survivors

[late flower]

and if its rare some ppl will just need to respawn because otherwise they will just insta die lol

be 1/100000 white carno that just nested in

[patent garden]

"oh well its harder to survive as an albino so itll balance itself out" yeah other than the fact that many carnis on the roster dont need to rely on stealth / ambushing at all lmao

[late flower]

instantly killed by the 1st other carno that sees you because he was curious

[icy lion]

and?

i dont see a problem with people having albino skins personally

[patent garden]

eh idk, i personally believe it would feel unrealistic

[barren zephyr]

In the future they will

[late flower]

the goal would be to have albino as a skin, an option that isn't tired to rng, but also have it be rare enough to reflect IRL

imo

[barren zephyr]

Well considering hunting animals irl is actually rather hard, surely the same should be ingame due to the apparent realistic approach the developers are taking

Most animals rely on camouflage anyway, even endurance hunters like to sneak and get close to their prey before attacking, they aren’t just going to run out of nowhere and give the prey item a chance to run away so easily

[patent garden]

irl yes

[barren zephyr]

Since the isle is taking a more “realistic” approach to the game maybe the same thing could occur but idk

[patent garden]

yeh idk, i just hope whatever approach they take make it so that it's rare enough...... imo white rexes were one of the ugliest things in legacy and i just think itd be an eyesore to see loads of them running around again

[barren zephyr]

Yeah, no thanks. that was a literal plague

[oak tapir]

I see alot of people say spino looks nothing like its concept but in reality only the head looks different

[paper oriole]

Its sail is smaller

[oak tapir]

Tail too , the arms look great , even the feet and legs

[paper oriole]

The legs are shit but they don’t differ much from the concept

[broken hare]

To the guy saying the alt turn stuff in feedback, man just leave legacy behind

go to envrima, no utah will solo ride your tail to kill you

[paper oriole]

Mm yes that is definitely a serious feedback

[broken hare]

He is pissed

Makes sense though

[barren zephyr]

the scales on the tail are significantly different

[paper oriole]

If we get yet another rex remodel i hope they give us chonkers rex instead of our current tyrannorexic

[oak tapir]

But the tail size and shape are the same

[barren zephyr]

the concept shows a sorta lizardlike tail, while the final shows a vaguely crocodilian tail

[steady lintel]

dont see a prob with mechanics or game play to make it slightly more of a finned tail or add the concept sail would make the spino look alot better imo

maybe increase the jaw length as well its kinda short and blunt

[paper oriole]

If its eye were to be moved to the proper skull socket its head would look a lot less like a water rex too

Its too fat and its eye is in the wrong hole there's just so many problems with this damn thing lol

[steady lintel]

yeah overall looks really goofy imo

[paper oriole]

It looks like it was made by someone who really likes rex and really doesn't like spino

Long legs, rex brows, rex eye placement, fat head, little sail... why even add a spino at that point lol

[flat crypt]

its literally just JP spino, aka rex with a sail attached

they've give it a few fancy little touches here and there, but it just doesn't look like a spino lmao

if anything it looks more like an oversized heavyweight bary someone stuck a sail on

I get that TI is very sci-fi/monsterified and heavily inspired by the JP franchise, but I think it's a shame that's the angle they've decided to take with spino. IRL spino was such a strange animal and I think that's part of what makes it so special. Even when you ignore the sail, it has a pretty atypical body plan for a theropod. It was straight up weird

Imagine if theri was just a normal looking theropod, with a long neck, tiny head and giant claws. The really weird body shape is what makes these animals special imo

[paper oriole]

They could have at least made a midway between intimidating and realistic like tap's spino

Our spino fails at even being intimidating because its something thats pipped up in generic dino media countless times

[flat crypt]

They could honestly pass this as a beefed-up sucho/bary design lmao

it's amazing how not-special it looks once you remove the sail. which can't be said at all of irl spino

[steady lintel]

barry

looks like arks barry lol

[flat crypt]

(dont mind the slapdash editing. original art by mario lanzas) take away irl spino's sail and it's still a freaky looking dude

it's just a shame they didn't lean into the long-body, low to the ground look

[azure wadi]

Not really

[gritty helm]

I can definitely see it

Literally just adjust the eye placement and it looks like arks Bary lmao (posting the images side by side so it's easier to compare)

Damn, I'm never gonna be able to unsee this now

[azure wadi]

I really don’t see it

[barren zephyr]

yeah

[azure wadi]

Ark Barry has smoother skin, longer legs, longer snout, shorter tail, thinner arms

[barren zephyr]

yeah, they're similar

but not really

[azure wadi]

It’s such a basic shape that you only see them as similar if you’re eyes are nearly shut, also arks Barry is so basic and plain that if it looks like a bary it’ll look like arks bary

[steady lintel]

they arent identical but they similar

[azure wadi]

They’re similar as in the same way a giga is similar to a tyrannotitan, same basic shape, to me it isn’t specifically similar to ark bary

[desert tendon]

@steep warren filipe actually confirmed the other day that hypsi will be able to make large weaver bird nests with other hypsi's. A sort of giant burrow in the trees made out of straw.

This is a community of hypsi's

and this is a solo hypsi

effectively this is how hypsi is going to hide from herra

most likely baby herras will be able to invade them tho so thats gonna be fun

[steep warren]

oh, well im hyped for that, that would be cool to see hypsis nesting there and they might spit at hunters from above

[desert tendon]

yeah

they may also be able to mess with human structures

[steep warren]

did they talk about this yesterday?

[desert tendon]

like 5 days ago

[steep warren]

k ima check that out but thx for the info

[desert tendon]

hold on lemme see if i can link you the video that clips it

@steep warren Skip to 3:17

https://youtu.be/WgxVhwIDWAw

[steep warren]

k thx

[desert tendon]

there is some other good info on here as well

[steep warren]

k thx for the info il keep that in mind and i also think it will be awesome to see that or have a herd of hypsis working as one to live and survive like that.

ye

[desert tendon]

yeaaaaaaaassssss

[steep warren]

I think they also confirmed sea turtles ( correct me if im wrong)

[desert tendon]

they did

but prob just AI

idk i might be wrong about that

[steep warren]

ye but hope they will be able to crawl up to the beach lay eggs for galli and ovi to have a reson to come to beach then small dinos could pick babys off when they hatch and mid carnis would go for adult turtles

thats pretty much how i imagine it anyway

[desert tendon]

agreed

i have a theory that dryo burrow and hypsi climb are gonna be in diets. (less likely for hypsi climb) because roots and tubers, and tree food wouldnt be accessible to anything currently on the roster. therefore, they would have just implemented food that no one can get too.

i asked punch if dryo burrow would be coming in update 4 and he said "we have some cool stuff planned for that"

[steep warren]

I saw some news about the new burrowing system and it looks really good and it will be really fun to make a home in the ground with ur friends and nest and survive in there.

[desert tendon]

exactly

[steep warren]

I do hope the devs make some way for herbs to carry leaves or drag them into the burrows.

[desert tendon]

confirmed

they said update 4 for that most likely

[steep warren]

welp, im missing alot of the news

[desert tendon]

lol

[steep warren]

isle discussion right?

[desert tendon]

yeah

sometimes one of the devs descends into it

[late flower]

Does anyone know if the devs anything about increasing server slots? Because atm if there's 100 player limit on official but custom servers have more. I wonder what the actual max is, since the more dinos are added then the less likely you are to run into another of your species

[ashen wasp]

Sucho using its pouch to store extra food is an interesting and useful idea and I’ve supported it since the redesign was revealed

[ashen wasp]

Grappling is something that’s confirmed for Allo, hinted at for rex, and I’d personally prefer a wild dog/spotted hyena face grapple to go to something like Rugops

Cerato’s concept has it in a pose with another of its species that looks to be some sort of sparring or parry move— I’d like that a lot for the ornery carnivore— a sort of block with its face at the cost of stamina. Grappling could work too though

[mental marlin]

loving that guy who had a proper boner for melanistic and albino skins

like dud just pick white or black colors whenever that gets added , noone wants to just get a shit dino due to RNG

[wanton hull]

@barren zephyr the reason I don’t want grappling for cera is because we cant make every theropod be relying on a grappling mechanic. Being grappled isn’t very interactive and I could see it quickly overstaying its welcome if used to much

[hybrid matrix]

ok, but cherry is big

if it honks, its gotta be terrifying

think ship horn

[valid elk]

I do love honks, but I would love to hear some beak clacks.

[hybrid matrix]

so u kno the sound that the tripods make in wotw?

[valid elk]

Yeah, the deep sound.

[hybrid matrix]

yeah

a mix between the tank horn from generation 0 and the tripod sound from wotw would be terrifying and awesome

[ionic arch]

It's beautiful

[hybrid matrix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUV58iCibiE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzY099ihULs

the second tank sound is the one im thinking of

[keen reef]

@barren zephyr welp time to feed the nearest croc

[warm burrow]

how much health does an adult stego have?

[hoary dawn]

a bunch

[tiny venture]

it seems the biggest issue atm is rubber banding issues on servers with alot of players are there gonna be any fixes for this issue in the future?

[hoary dawn]

the devs are always trying to find ways to optimize the game so probably

[tall oasis]

@oak tapir r u ok?

[oak tapir]

?

[oak tapir]

What

[tall oasis]

about the that post about the turn in place lol

[oak tapir]

Ye ye we need more "sKiLled" ppl to be able to play 'SkILl' and kill rexes

We need more sticky utahs

[tall oasis]

no

[hoary dawn]

bruh how are people not picking up on the sarcasm

[oak tapir]

Ikr

[tall oasis]

lol

[honest sparrow]

Islecord

[tall oasis]

lmao

isle 2021:

[hybrid matrix]

tbh i havent seen any serious suggestions about it in a while

[barren zephyr]

The islecord

[barren zephyr]

Wasn’t there actually a genuine suggestion about that a couple months ago? I remember something stupid like that

It was like a clan utah main or something

[hybrid matrix]

a couple months ago is considered a while

[honest sparrow]

Ares from dogs of war

Might have been over a year ago actually

But yeah that suggestion is legendarily stupid

[barren zephyr]

Pretty sure there was a suggestion wanting giga to run over 50 mph

[hybrid matrix]

oh god i remember that one

[barren zephyr]

[hybrid matrix]

i made a suggestion way back around the time update 2 came out (probably a while later)
i had just tried out utah for the first time since update 2 had come out and i thought that the accel was a tiny bit to slow

i feel like if u try to suggest anything about buffing utah even slightly (im talking a millisecond faster accel) ppl will assume u just main utah

[honest sparrow]

I mean tbf you are the great lord derptah

[hybrid matrix]

fair enough lmfao

[barren zephyr]

I mean. not gonna lie I’m a utah main and I think utah needs some changes.

Well, currently a utah main

[honest sparrow]

And honestly outside of the dismount thing I think Utah is in a good spot

[hybrid matrix]

from what ive heard the pounce is pretty bad

[hybrid matrix]

it is

[barren zephyr]

It kinda is. Utah gets up way too slow and bucking limits your pouncing potential

[hybrid matrix]

thats the point of bucking

[barren zephyr]

so it isn’t necessary to pounce for damage. just enough bleed to kill a carno or a teno

[honest sparrow]

Then again I mostly play solo Utah so pouncing bucking targets isn’t going to happen as much

[barren zephyr]

Solo utah-death sentence because carno exists

(Mega group carno clan)

[hybrid matrix]

i havent played utah in a while (or the isle in general)
is the accel faster than it was?

[honest sparrow]

I think so

[barren zephyr]

Yeah, slightly better

[hybrid matrix]

good, it felt slightly too slow b4

[honest sparrow]

You go 0 to 100 pretty fast

[honest sparrow]

What if I told you I purposefully follow those and don’t insta die

[barren zephyr]

utah is good, but I think it’s in a terrible spot rn because they thought it was a good idea to add in pseudo apexes in update 2 and 3

[hybrid matrix]

i dont want to go to 100 rlly fast, i wanna go to about 75 rlly fast and then slowly get to 100 after that

[barren zephyr]

[honest sparrow]

No one believes me

[barren zephyr]

Path of Titans believes you

[honest sparrow]

But that’s meaningless

[barren zephyr]

yeah, kinda

what if I said

[honest sparrow]

That’s even worse, why would I want malware to trust me

[hybrid matrix]

better to have malware trust u than to trust malware

[barren zephyr]

Ark: Survival Evolved

[hasty dagger]

I never even experienced meme channel

[urban flax]

It was mostly repeated shitposting

[orchid spruce]

Bring it back and delete the shitty memes

[urban flax]

That would need a dedicated mod

[hoary dawn]

i mean, mods should be enforcing rules in all the channels anyway

and isle memes was a more chill channel in terms of rules anyway, most offences were just people not knowing there were rules

[oak tapir]

@barren zephyr your point is kinda great , especially with Utah’s leaping head first into the game and pounce everything they see , baby Utah should have pounce in later stages like 25% or 33% growth

And they should make Utah grow time longer , also will balance all the small dinos that are. Coming

[barren zephyr]

my point was majorly to give a purpose to our dinos in order to find something else to do in the game than just rip each other's face at first sight.

Animals IRL are very often, carnis and herbies, close to each other and not doing anything about it. They just do their own stuff, hunt when hungry, small fight here and there for territory. At most herbies will run away, carnis will not nescessarely run after them. If they are pushing for realism with the graphics, sounds and animations, they should push for realism for the mechanics and behaviors as well.

[urban flax]

This is not an animal sim tho
This is a sci-fi game about human consciousnesses inside of mutant dinosaurs

[barren zephyr]

If they make a way for our dino's life to be valuable to a point we will do everything we can to stay alive, even tree branch cracking in the forest will make us shit our pants, and they will have the horror they desire so much.

[urban flax]

They're already planning to implement a lot of things to make your dino's life valuable
Like perks

[barren zephyr]

I know

[urban flax]

Bloating growth times will make the experience tedious and unenjoyable for most people

[hybrid matrix]

one way to make ppl more careful about their dinosaurs is by implementing dio's extinction idea

[quartz lantern]

This game is a horror survival game that is still in progress. I'm sure they have plenty more to add to this that they're keeping under wraps. But asking for it to be a chill and explore game isn't what it's going to be. That's more of a server to server basis. You can make those rules in your own server, but expecting a game labeled as horror/survival, to cater to one group isn't a realistic expectation...

[urban flax]

What is that idea about ?

[barren zephyr]

[hybrid matrix]

i think this is it #general-feedback message

ignore his suggestion thats after it

[urban flax]

Oh that seems terrible

[hybrid matrix]

there are a few details that could be changed, and aside from the growth times that he lists in his next message, i think its pretty decent

[urban flax]

The extinction concept in its whole seems to be a terrible idea to me

[quartz lantern]

it's a feedback channel, that's my feedback.

[hybrid matrix]

i think if it were made into a separate gamemode then it'd be good

[urban flax]

Locking playables is already a quite bad thing in my opinion, but it is even more when it means some species can go extinct on the island. A lot of them are essential for the ecosystem and the experience, like deinos.

[urban flax]

I wouldn't mind it as a separate gamemode, although I really don't see the appeal
But as long as I'm not forced to play this way, I couldn't care less

[hybrid matrix]

i wouldnt play it unless im feeling up for the challenge, but i guarantee there are ppl who would play it all the time

[urban flax]

Yeah there are people who don't even want humans in the game after all...

[barren zephyr]

You misunderstood. But alright.

[hybrid matrix]

A lot of them are essential for the ecosystem and the experience, like deinos.
this dissuades overkilling and killing for sport
it also makes players more cautious about their encounters

[urban flax]

Not that much
If players can make deinos go extinct, they sure will

[hybrid matrix]

true

[urban flax]

Actually they will try to make most things they don't like go extinct

[hybrid matrix]

also true

although fights would be riskier

everything would be riskier

[urban flax]

The risk of dying is always the same
Apart that if you die, you can no lnoger play as the same thing, unless there is a nest

I guess it makes you care more about your life

[hybrid matrix]

which means u have to be more careful

[urban flax]

As long as you're one of the locked species

[hybrid matrix]

true, but if u can only play as the smallest two things in the game without worry of extinction then u wont rlly be fighting, well anything

[quartz lantern]

I'm referring to this part of your suggestion...

There are multiple places to explore and search that are both beautiful and dangerous.

You can dictate where people are allowed to be on personal servers but it's all up to the player on where they want to go on official.

[barren zephyr]

I never talked about Official servers.

Anyway, i’m out of this debate. My Feedbacks are for the Devs.

[feral solstice]

This feedback just tells them to do something and not explain how

[hoary dawn]

baby dinos do have advantage over their adult counterparts in the form of enhanced stealth

there's not many other ways babies can have an advantage without being ridiculous

[hybrid matrix]

what if as a baby, ur skin was a general greeny-browny camouflagey color

and then slowly as u grow older it becomes the custom skin that u made

[swift dew]

[hoary dawn]

and the "issue" of cannibalism can be solved in other ways like diets encouraging prey items that are not your own species

[hoary dawn]

@scarlet thicket they're adding ambient animals like crabs, goats, and sea turtles for carnivores to eat when their preferred prey isn't around, though they won't be entirely easy to find either

[scarlet thicket]

do you have the post?

or is it in trello?

it sounds alright

[paper oriole]

Is this guy saying carnis in the isle should eat plants?

[barren zephyr]

Uhhhhhhhhhh. think so

[paper oriole]

Wtf lol

[barren zephyr]

Yeah no clue

[paper oriole]

And im sure the majority of the people here know deer sometimes eat birds and cats eat grass and whatever, if herbis in the isle could eat babies they’d do it all the time for fun though

[vast wolf]

i would make it my persional mission eat eat every baby carnivore i could find.

especially as dryo

[paper oriole]

lol they should allow it for some of the meaner large herbis who cant really go on sprees like trike and shant just because

[barren zephyr]

nah, dryo is too easy. You gotta do it as taco when it comes out

[paper oriole]

Taco rips out the arteries from your ankles and slurps you like a vampire

[barren zephyr]

Finally, viable taco

[vast wolf]

let anky eat children

its too slow to chase them.

[barren zephyr]

that’s what it wants you to think

it’s true speed is 84 mph and it runs bipedally

[vast wolf]

it turns into a ball and rolls around

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-roll-rolling-gif-9052103

[barren zephyr]

Angirus

[hoary dawn]

droideka niche

[barren zephyr]

Star Wars reference

[hoary dawn]

etho reference

[vast wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/its-a-miss-ball-golem-anguirus-godzilla-gif-14183256

[paper oriole]

Feather skins and other options are already planned aren’t they

[silver zephyr]

feathers yeah

[plush rampart]

Oh my bad I must’ve missed that

[flat crypt]

Curious to see what people have against the plants-for-benefits suggestion

I should have possibly mentioned, this is under the assumption herbivores would also of course have plants like that they can eat

[primal crystal]

@desert tendon you musta not been around when dryo literally was a omnvore in game lmao

[desert tendon]

and when was that? Legacy? Cuz that aint returning. And it certainly isnt an omnivore now

[honest sparrow]

Dryo was never an omnivore

There was a time where there was both a carni Dryo and herbi Dryo

[desert tendon]

yeah idk what devoid is talking about

[honest sparrow]

But until Galli or ovi is added there has never been an Omni in the isle

[desert tendon]

(or beipi #BeipiCult)

[primal crystal]

thats still it eating both

[honest sparrow]

They were different playables entirely

[desert tendon]

ok but im talking about how its boring now. This is extremely old and outdated. Its never going to eat meat

[primal crystal]

i know this i was there but they were the same model and everything. MY POINT WAS it used to be called the cannibal dryo jesus you guys

[desert tendon]

ok

i get what your going at but its kinda irrelevant rn

[odd sedge]

Breathe, close your eyes and think.
You want carnivores to eat plants. Yes sure not all carnivores are strictly carnivorous like dogs who can gain nutrients from plants or vegetables. Cats eat grass, yes, but they don't try to digest it when they feel hungry. They eat the grass not for the sake of eating it but for the sake of vomiting, since they also take in a lot of fur

[honest sparrow]

Honestly I still don’t really think burrowing will make Dryo interesting, but that’s my opinion and I’d rather an overhaul of the dodge and different abilities entirely

[desert tendon]

I dont see how this is related at all

but idk i might just have a smoothe brane

[flat crypt]

Generally, aside from cats eating it for hairballs, its for extra fiber intake to assist with digestion. Which is more or less what I was going at

I have a few more things I might add, like that eating too much would make you sick

[desert tendon]

ohhhhh your talking to serpentarius

[honest sparrow]

The line between carnis and herbis is really unclear at times

[desert tendon]

sorry

[flat crypt]

basically just a few bites to get the benefits you need, anymore than that and you'll start to get negative effects

[odd sedge]

Yes I am aware of that but from a video game perspective it makes sense to keep that line as clear as possible

[honest sparrow]

Fair

[flat crypt]

i don't think "carnivores can eat a few bites of a plant to get some benefits" blurs the lines to a point of confusion

in particular considering they get basically no nutritional value from it. It's still 100% essential they eat meat

[odd sedge]

The creatures are separated into carnivores, herbivores and omnivores. The omnis are basically where the line blurs in the game, yet making every other creature who isn't classified as an omnivore by the game secretly omnivorous makes little to no sense

[flat crypt]

they're still obligate carnivores

they can eat plants, but it doesn't actually benefit them nutritionally. So they're not really an actual omni

Omnivorous implies they can gain enough sustenance from both plants and meat to survive, which wouldn't be the case here

A lot of this suggestion comes from the fact that it seems there will be plants that provide benefits to stuff like stamina. Carnis getting those same benefits from meat is a little strange to me, and can't be varied as much. And if carnis didn't have access to benefits like this it'd be a bit unfair for them

There's only so many animals a carni in this game can reasonably eat. Maybe eating a homalo gives carno a little buff. but you start running out of animals that can provide the various different buffs. However, there's no lack of plants, they can be as numerous and varied as you please

[odd sedge]

Ptera water take off
Yes please!
I know some people might not like that thought, because it reverses the punishment for Pteras when they fall into the water while fishing but there is no reason why it shouldn't be able to take off from water. Look at it's wings, it just has to float on its own

And also it's a must have when Pteras start fishing the ocean. Fall in and you are dead and there is essentially no benefit for anyone, not even other predators, thus making it risky and not exactly favourable

[honest sparrow]

I mean it should have more startup and take more stam than a base takeoff, so you still have the ability to die via deino or if you wasted your stam, have to be forced to swim to shore

[odd sedge]

That is however true. So young Pteras don't have much use of it and have to be a lot more weary of their stam

[oak tapir]

@honest sparrow about the water take off ,I Think that could fit for kinda the only other flyer that would be unique enough to be a cool addition , ornithocheirus

[honest sparrow]

Ornitho is cool and all, but like pela I have never really found it to be that much of a worthy addition

If they do decide to add it to another fishing and gliding based flyer fine, but currently Ptera fills that role so I’m suggesting that for it

[oak tapir]

Ornitho is good bc its unique since it looks nothing like ptera or Quetz , so it would rival ptera and that would be good cuz honestly more air fights is just better

[honest sparrow]

Ornitho is the same size as Ptera, looks aren’t a solid reason to include a playable, and giving it no other reason to be in other than it looks cool and air fights is just kinda lame when you could add more unique flyers

[oak tapir]

Not looks , something to rival ptera

[honest sparrow]

What does it do differently other than just look different

[silver lynx]

im trying join The ZOO Server but dont know how?

[keen reef]

@worldly karma just play better

[worldly karma]

good one dude

[desert tendon]

@honest sparrow I would love to have a sort of ganet diving flyer, and I love ornithocheirus, but a large pterosaur swimming in the water would be would be extremely unrealistic. Especially since pterosaurs get grounded during the rain. Their membrane is not water proof. However pelagornis would fit this role really well. being a bird, it would have waterproof feathers so it could fly during storms, and could dive and swim on the coasts.

[safe galleon]

Pretty sure the pterasaurs getting grounded by rain has been debunked

[radiant dagger]

I read some community player don't want add the Magyarasaurus...what's you think of replace with Bajadasaurus the Little spiked sauropod?

[tiny venture]

Is rubber banding in servers with 99+ players a issue with my internet ?

[desert tendon]

Wha? Punch said it himself

[desert tendon]

no its a game issue

[tiny venture]

Hmm

Interesting

[desert tendon]

it happens to everyone

[safe galleon]

Oh I meant like in real life, my bad

[desert tendon]

ah

[tiny venture]

Would a fox be reduce the player limit ?

Fix *

[desert tendon]

no a fix would make the game run

just join a lower pop server if you want to be in a lower one

[tiny venture]

Well only servers that have low pop has 0

Lol

[desert tendon]

Official NA 1 is very good with lag. Its pretty smooth 95% of the time

maybe try that one

[tiny venture]

I tried that one and it’s worse then most since it’s full or almost

[desert tendon]

yeah you have to keep refreshing to get in

the reason its so popular is because the lag is minimal

[tiny venture]

I can try it

Lemme see

[desert tendon]

ye give it a try

[valid elk]

Actually, what Punch had said was "It will be difficult to fly in a storm, but you can still do it. We prefer if you just landed, though."

[desert tendon]

Yeah he did. But still

[limber hull]

that sounds like a compy ability tbh

[steep warren]

ye

@wicked furnace did u not understand?

@wicked furnace I was pretty clear on what i meant pretty much a small dino would be able to burrow inside a body. Its pretty clear.

[wicked furnace]

I wasn't saying that i didn't understand it, i just meant that it is a pretty disgusting idea lol. I don't think it should be done as the bodies have tendency to fling about and glitch sooooo yeah

[swift dew]

@desert tendon actually hopefully, galli doesn't keep its legacy agility (in comparison to the rest of the roster) its better if dryo is the king of agility, and galli is second fastest thing in the game, with enough agility to juke a carno.

[hoary dawn]

most of that nesting suggestion is pretty good, cept for the

part

[dreamy wharf]

Hi

I too

have a complaint about the phrasing.

"Gender! Once you find one you'll need to mate,rub against eachother and invite to groups as well as bringing food as gifts to gain affinity"

Like, you might want to rephrase alot of that suggestion as so it doesn't read like a bootleg furaffinity story.

[hoary dawn]

like, nesting should be more interactive and engaging than legacy, but we do not need to encourage the erpers that much

[feral solstice]

Can’t wait to rub against a random stranger online who could be 50 years old

[hoary dawn]

the rest of the nest preparation stuff was good tho

[swift dew]

thats an oddly accurate way to put it ig

[hoary dawn]

i genuinely fear what people would do with pregnant mechanics

[oak tapir]

@barren zephyr I Agree with all of it accept the Tab to nest , if you see in the menu screen where you select a dino there is a button saying "nest" instead of players spawning and disappearing while they're in like legacy , why not just spawn from the menu

[oak tapir]

Compy is the only thing i can see doing that tbh

[jade schooner]

Some agreements and disagreements to @barren zephyr's suggestion

The mating and affinity seems to be rather unnecessary. It would be great to have more varied interaction for our dinos, but being it tied to nesting/mating strictly? Neh

The male building making the basis of the nest sounds like a good idea, then we'd be able to have the input of who made the nest. My thoughts would go as well into nests having a lifespan, so they'd need some care for them not to go away. At least when there are no eggs.
This could help around the idea that if the male from that nest dies, then the nest will in some time be gone, and technically that parent won't have their genetic input anymore.

Building and gestation of eggs (the word pregnancy does not fit right with me in this context to say the least). Now, I do think some way of giving the female the dietary needs to build up eggs would be a neat thing. And being able to control that through the menu, like a way to start the ovulation, so you can prepare eggs.

Now, then it comes to laying the eggs, taking some time before they're available for hatching is a nice thing, you'd be as a parent tied to your nest to protect it from predators. And since eggs take some time to produce for the female, it would be a viable asset to protect. Hopefully eggs could also have a lifespan after they're ready to accept players

[oak tapir]

@barren zephyr They want people to try nesting before oviraptor is in so they can know what it is like

[oak tapir]

Wait you saying that a mating dance or a way to find a mate is bad?, Or re you saying female doesnt need a male like in legacy where they do some avatar type shit and spawn a nest from thin air

[astral zinc]

Unrelated but it'd be cool if in order to form a nest you'd have to have a small quest of collecting grass/twigs first

[jade schooner]

I'm saying a mating dance is unnecessary. You can find mates without that.

Also, I am saying females need a male, and in the way they're putting it in the suggestion, it falls in line with the male being the necessary input to create a nest. With the male's nest and the female positioning her eggs in said nest, there you'd have your parents data. That being said: females can't start the nest, but can help build one.

[honest sparrow]

I mean ours already swims in the water, there’s evidence to suggest they weren’t just completely invalidated when flying by water, and it doesn’t really even necessarily have to swim, it can just dive down and pluck something and then float back to the surface and take off

Also I’m not about to alter my suggestion to suit an animal that currently isn’t coming to the game

[clever thistle]

@upper summit if you take off when someone is over you you will hit them and fall to the ground

also to escape slower dinos

so its good to escape

[upper summit]

why would you do the slower takeoff that takes more stam for the slower dino

pteranodon should only have one takeoff

also maybe just watch where you're going when you takeoff?

[clever thistle]

did u listen to what i said

[upper summit]

also it can't takeoff like that

[clever thistle]

you will fall and then they can hit you

has it ever happened to you?

[upper summit]

the stationary quad takeoff?

[clever thistle]

stabbing deino and you accedently hit it and fall onto it

when you try to take off you will fall again

the run take off will let you get away

[honest sparrow]

Not really

[clever thistle]

it happens

[upper summit]

lol then don't bite a fuckin deino

[honest sparrow]

You get the same effect from running and just doing the standard takeoff

And if you are fighting a deino

[upper summit]

if you mess around with a deino and get killed who's fault is that

[clever thistle]

hit one mid flight and fall then you can try to normal take off but it will hit its hitbox again

[honest sparrow]

Oftentimes you’re landing in an area with water or a lack of space

[clever thistle]

i didnt say i did

i have seen it happen to people

[upper summit]

then they shouldn't do it?

[clever thistle]

yeah

but if they do

[upper summit]

no

[clever thistle]

they need the run flight

to escape

[upper summit]

run flight is impossible

pterasaurus could not do that

[clever thistle]

or they can waste time running away then normal take off

[upper summit]

they cannot takeoff like birds

[clever thistle]

they are not looking for realism

[clever thistle]

i know

[upper summit]

that's the issue

[clever thistle]

i see your point

but its not saurian

[honest sparrow]

It achieves the same effect

[upper summit]

they throw you into a realistic environment where unrealistic dinosaur designs fit into it

that doesn't mean

they can't also have basic physics

[clever thistle]

i see but it gives deino more time to kill you

[upper summit]

like for example

stegosaurs die from falling too far

good

[clever thistle]

if you were over 8 tons

[honest sparrow]

Don’t you initially have to slowly speed up for the takeoff, as kinda as you run a safe distance away you’re fine

[clever thistle]

and fell off a cliff

would you die

[upper summit]

not talking about that

[clever thistle]

true

but sub deinos are fast

[upper summit]

talking about how you barely fall 2 feet and die

[honest sparrow]

And you are faster

[upper summit]

but that's realistic

because ur 8 tons

[clever thistle]

it would make sense to break a leg with the weight

that is coming over time

[upper summit]

right

but the difference in that

is that doesn't ruin the emersion

pteranodon running takeoff does

because it's literally impossible

[clever thistle]

we have pros and cons on this

[upper summit]

the pro of it

in ur case

is that it can get away from something it's been bugging

it shouldn't be able to

deinos are not on the pteras diet

[orchid spruce]

I use it when i want to take off from a deino chasing me

[clever thistle]

i know

diets are coming soon

[clever thistle]

exactly

thats my point

its helpful

[upper summit]

yes but it isn't realistic at all, and maybe just maybe go to the shallow end of the river?

also like I said

it takes much more stamina and is actually slower

[orchid spruce]

Maybe am at the other side of the map

[upper summit]

maybe ur literally built to travel long distances

[clever thistle]

but you will hit a deino if your in its hitbox when taking off

want me to show you a clip?

[upper summit]

yes

[orchid spruce]

Maybe i was dying of thirst and i wouldn’t have made it

[clever thistle]

i dont have one rn

deleted

[upper summit]

then that's ur problem

u should've got water?

[clever thistle]

but you can fins it on ptera gameplay vids

[orchid spruce]

Welp it’s useful anyways

[clever thistle]

exactly

[upper summit]

dude

the whole purpose for deino is for it to drown things along the water

[clever thistle]

they are not going for hyper realism as saurian is

[upper summit]

if u get killed

[orchid spruce]

You know other slow big creatures are coming to the game right?

[upper summit]

because of a deino

as ptera

near water

[clever thistle]

in this game they allow it to do this and its helpful

[upper summit]

then thats ur fault

[clever thistle]

how ?

it happens all the time

[upper summit]

slower big creatures should be able to defend themselves against a deino, also big creatures cannot be drowned

[clever thistle]

OK think of this

your in a deinos tail because you crashed into it mid flight as ptera

if you normal take off you will hit the hitbox again

and then you will crash again

[orchid spruce]

I meant u use it against them were discussing about the running take off

[upper summit]

watch where ur going

[clever thistle]

but if you run fly you can fly

[upper summit]

ur fault entirely

[clever thistle]

people like to annoy deinos

they are peck the deinos

[upper summit]

maybe don't and u won't die?

[clever thistle]

have you ever played deino?

[upper summit]

multiple times

[clever thistle]

i am not saying im doing it

[upper summit]

ik

but ur the one giving me the example

[clever thistle]

if you were deino you were harrassed by pteras

100% guarentee

[upper summit]

i was

but if they crash into me

[clever thistle]

yeah

[upper summit]

do they deserve to be freed

[clever thistle]

nope

[upper summit]

exactly

[clever thistle]

but if they try to escape

[upper summit]

so remove running takeoff

[clever thistle]

they will fall

[orchid spruce]

If u mess up they get freed

[clever thistle]

yeah

they free themselves by running take off

its as simple as that

[upper summit]

they shouldn't really be able to

[clever thistle]

if they fall into your hitbox and try to take off they fall

[upper summit]

ptera cannot run takeoff

[clever thistle]

but a running start will make them freed

[clever thistle]

i know

but they want to make it this way

saurian would have that because they focus on hyper realism

[upper summit]

u keep comparing the isle to saurian

[clever thistle]

yeah

[upper summit]

why

they are completely different games

[clever thistle]

because you are saying you want realism

[upper summit]

just because ptera cannot run take off

does that make it saurian?

no.

[clever thistle]

i know.

[upper summit]

then don't compare it

[clever thistle]

ok?

you realise they dont want the most realistic game

they want a fun game

[hoary dawn]

ptera should keep its running takeoff, it just needs stam cost changes to be more worth it

[clever thistle]

but still with realistic parts

[clever thistle]

yeah

[upper summit]

It isn't realistic and pretty useless

[clever thistle]

"useless"

seems you have never used it

its very useful

[hoary dawn]

if they made it cost less stam than the stationary takeoff it wouldn't be useless

[upper summit]

in what situation would you use it against quad takeoff

[clever thistle]

you run into a deino and fall

[upper summit]

then don't mess with deino bruh

[clever thistle]

you will try to normal take off and crash again

i have told you so many times

people like to peck deinos

thats why people play ptera

[hoary dawn]

idk about that example, but it would just be used as a more stam efficient takeoff

[upper summit]

"I pounced stego then it bucked me off and I died, WTF why can't I fly away?"

is the same argument lmao

[clever thistle]

it takes stam

thats all

it can be helpful tho

i would want a second resourt

[upper summit]

you shouldn't be rewarded with a takeoff mechanic because you're messing with a player

[clever thistle]

dont wanna just die

[upper summit]

even if you do die

oh well

45 minutes lmao

[clever thistle]

i know

idc about growing it

[upper summit]

the whole game is about dying

[clever thistle]

never said i did

[upper summit]

you die alot

[clever thistle]

and regrowing

[upper summit]

but from that

you also learn alot

[clever thistle]

yeah

[upper summit]

maybe you will learn to not mess with deinos

[clever thistle]

dont mess with deinos

but people will

[hoary dawn]

running takeoff isn't the emergency escape option, that is what the stationary takeoff should be for

[clever thistle]

then they can leave with a learned lession

[upper summit]

okay, then make those people keep dying until they stop

don't give them a takeoff mechanic

give them quad takeoff

because it's more realistic and useful

[clever thistle]

pteras should be scavengers

but people want to annoy people

[upper summit]

if this is true then yeah it's still useless

[clever thistle]

thats what they wanna do

stationary takeoff is good but when in emergency do running take off

[hoary dawn]

its supposed to be the opposite

[clever thistle]

true

[upper summit]

I'm not judging the playstyle I'm saying you should know the risk of it and shouldn't be given an escape option for something YOU started

[clever thistle]

but running is not fun

[clever thistle]

i know

[upper summit]

then removing it shouldn't be an issue

[clever thistle]

its good to get the annoying seagulls

but they can have a escape

some people do running take off because its cooler

[hoary dawn]

removing it wouldn't be an issue no, but there is also no issue with it staying

[clever thistle]

yeah

is it harming anyone? no its just a nice feature

it can be used in some situations tho

[upper summit]

the issue with it staying is that people that know a decent amount about pterosaurs will say "Hey, this isn't possible"

[hoary dawn]

what

[upper summit]

I'm saying

[clever thistle]

?

that made no sense

[upper summit]

dude

the target audience of this game is like

people that are into dinosaurs

people that are into dinosaurs will know the pteranodon takeoff

the running one

[clever thistle]

some people just wanna have fun

[upper summit]

is like, impossible

[clever thistle]

i know its not realistic

[upper summit]

yeah

but then

[hoary dawn]

the only unrealistic thing about it is the animation really

[clever thistle]

thats your only reason

[upper summit]

imagine if they give quetz a running takeoff too

[clever thistle]

thats ok

[clever thistle]

they wont

[upper summit]

why not

[clever thistle]

100%

[upper summit]

pteranodon has it

[hoary dawn]

why wouldn't quetz have one

[clever thistle]

your saying the same thing over and over

its one strong reason

thats good

but still

its not harming you

who is it harming and how is it harming you

[upper summit]

exactly, which will just make it look ridiculous

[hoary dawn]

i doubt quetz would have a bipedal running takeoff but i would assume it would have one

[upper summit]

dude it's not harming anyone but it's unrealistic

[clever thistle]

i know

[upper summit]

which different people will have different opinions about

[clever thistle]

they probably look at it

[upper summit]

because u don't mind it doesn't mean others won't either

[hoary dawn]

pterosaurs did do running takeoffs, they like vaulted themselves into the air, the only thing unrealistic about ptera's is the animation

[clever thistle]

your saying the same thing over and over its a good point but im not gonna stay here all day

i aggree its unrealistic

[upper summit]

that's what i'm saying

[clever thistle]

they may think of it

[upper summit]

why didn't they just do that

[clever thistle]

yeah

[upper summit]

why did they have to give it a bird takeoff

[clever thistle]

how am i suppost to know?

DM a mod and ask