general-feedback-discussion

[ashen wasp]

I believe edible foliage already makes a sound when walking through it— I know it DID in earlier Evrima days— but what would stop players from using scent to find food, like normal??

[wanton hull]

Punchpacket was talking about having diets give massive buffs and debuffs stating that your total health would be effected among other things

[ashen wasp]

I don’t think that, say, hunting a prey item you don’t particularly prefer as a carnivore would give you a DEBUFF— it just wouldn’t give you a buff

[wanton hull]

“Not following ur diet will give u massive debuffs”

They saids when answering someone’s questions about how diets will effect the player

[ashen wasp]

Got it. I can easily see debuffs for things like eating rotten meat or plants that are poisonous to your species

[wanton hull]

I could already see a group of carnos camping a popular spot. Other carnos wouldn’t be strong enough to challenge them for the resources unless they overpack but then their would be to little of it to go around

[wanton hull]

That would be preferable

Eating your own species would also debuff u which was confirmed

[ashen wasp]

True, but at that point, other Carno’s would simply need to move on to a different hunting ground— the beauty of carnivore diets is that AI can be found everywhere, so even if players don’t choose your preferred prey, you can still find it if you’re willing to look

[wanton hull]

Ye this wouldn’t be a problem if the debuffs where not effecting your creatures performance. If it was a resource for growing then there would be no reason for a large pack of carnos to stay there

[cyan flame]

To prevent others from growing? :p And if diets are only for growing, then why would you care after you're grown, it removes part of your gameplay, does it not? Though I guess you could guard an area to raise your own, so that might be a good enough reason to stay around

[wanton hull]

I suggested infection/health regen or egg gestation buff for females and a growth buff for hatchlings from healthy males with vibrant colors

Even just a visual thing would be enough for people to go out of their way get. Its not like they have much else to do, no need for any debuffs

[wanton hull]

^

[cyan flame]

@wanton hullYeah, I saw. It was mostly a response to the whole camping thing, you'd still have reasons to do that, to safeguard your own buffs while you're grown, and if not, to boost the growth of your offspring and others. So you'd still have people to go a certain area and try and claim it?

[ionic arch]

Smoke coming from forest fire (you don't see burned trees or anything but imagine)

[wanton hull]

@limpid seal expanding spawn regions would also work. Dont know if uve been where barry used to be but its an amazing spot for herbis its just missing a spawn point

Also has a cool rock in the middle for ptera

[broken thorn]

I don't think Ceratosaurus should consume poisonous frogs riskless, i'd see something like that for one of the venomous bois

[limber hull]

cerato is supposed to be "eat everything boi"

[broken thorn]

Yeah, but the point of it is that it is a rUdE cAnNibAl, and it eats rotting meat cuz strong stomach, but i wouldn't think it would feel good after poisonous frog 🐸

Can't wait for Ceratosaurus, ngl

[limber hull]

actually, i think it'd be pretty funny if cerato ate a poison frog and gained temp poison tbh

venom stays on fangs

and teeth

he bites down on prey for a bonus poison surprise

[broken thorn]

Or perhabs troods could boost it's venom or smh

Dunno

[limber hull]

i hope there's a hallucinogen frog/plant to eat which just ends up being dino drugs lmao

[broken thorn]

Trip

Haha even for the fck of it, i'd eat it😄

[past dune]

mudslides in heavy rains when?

[tall oasis]

@dapper mirage Perfect suggestion

[urban flax]

Ouch they pinged a dev

[tall oasis]

huh?

[urban flax]

The message got deleted, but someone pinged amraok in the general feedback channel

[ionic arch]

Wrong reply lol

[swift dew]

oops, mb, im slow lmao

@oak tapir im confused? how is that double biting? that just seems like carnos regular bite speed to me. carno just bites super fast. unless that is faster and I just havn't played carno in a bit

[oak tapir]

It’s faster tho , if it could be spammed you’ll see the difference

[oak tapir]

Alt bite behind and bite instantly

[swift dew]

@glad eagle first of all, why are those times so short? and second of all, why is theri longer than trike?

and pachy longer than teno

[glad eagle]

Honestly I think growth times should be shorter in general same opinion of the carnivores as well

[swift dew]

you get legacy but worse if you shorten the growth times THAT much

where its just apexes over every corner

[glad eagle]

Actually yeah I should change that

[glad eagle]

That's true I'll change it

[glad eagle]

While not larger in size it does opt it's dome head which I feel like can be a bit more lethal than tenontos tail

[swift dew]

you mean the tail that leaves carnos on 1 hit if you stun them and get some follow up hits?

I dont think pachy is going to be doing that

also you missed shant

[restive blade]

@glad eagle in ur concept of herbivore and omnivore where you said the growth times, what did you mean my brachiasaurus having infinite growth time?

[keen reef]

@glad eagle why is minmi so short? It's actually not completely tiny and it's a massive all-rounder?
Also all of these growths are way too short, this game needs to embrace growth instead of lowering it to appeal to people that they've caused to become impatient because of a poorly done system

[glad eagle]

It's a joke?

[glad eagle]

True True

[ionic arch]

2 hours for Ava is too much, especially for it's size

[hoary dawn]

35 minutes for homalo but only 30 for dryo

[glad eagle]

Good point I could bump ava down a bit but not too much as its fairly large and has good defenses along with that

[glad eagle]

Okay yeah that was weird on my part

Any other things besides that?

[paper oriole]

Why should pachy be over 2 hours lmao wtf

Its utah size and will probably be slower

[barren zephyr]

Legacy Pachy

[paper oriole]

And ovi should just be an hour, not over

[keen reef]

Pachys growth timer should be 1 hour 25 roughly

[paper oriole]

Isnt new pachy still around utah size? Unless its fucking insane it shouldnt be over utah growth

[swift dew]

shant isnt even on the list. can we get an F for shant?

[paper oriole]

1hr25 is way better

[urban flax]

F

[glad eagle]

How did I forget shant?

[keen reef]

Or maybe a bit higher, as while not quick it does make up for it way better than Utah ever does by having fracture on most of the preds that'll be able to catch it, assuming that's how the mechanic is implemented

[steep warren]

Pachy and utar are counters for each other just like teno and carno and steg and deino so pachy should be pretty much same time as utah

[keen reef]

I still think Utah growth and all other growths should be a fair bit longer once Diets are out but I'm too busy to get into that

[paper oriole]

Yeah utah is too easy honestly because theres like 500 of them on every server

[barren zephyr]

Food and water balance will be reworked with diets
Hopefully growth times as well

[urban flax]

Currently you don't have much of a choice regarding the dino you play tho

[paper oriole]

I wanna know what this guy was thinking when he put 2hr10min on pachy though

[keen reef]

Devs aren't embracing growths and people be impatient because of a poorly implemented mechanic unfortunately :(

They should be longer with sufficient thrills and mechanical tensity to support them as mechanics, not wait timers

[urban flax]

With 100 slots per server, if you want something perfectly balanced, you have 20 of every playable
On a map only big enough to support 1 pack of each species

[urban flax]

They aren't embracing growth ? What about the fact every playable now has their special ability from juvenile stage ? The fact some of them can take on adults of other species ?

[barren zephyr]

Idk
I think growing is boring asf as it is currently
I'd rather have faster growth times if I happen to play optimally while having a tad of luck my way

[urban flax]

You don't need to be 100% adult to be viable in evrima

[restive blade]

oh i though you ment it would continue growing very slowly forever

[keen reef]

I don't really think that was the issue, although it was an issue

[urban flax]

Yes, growing is boring rn because it is easy and there's not much to do apart from fighting. And for fighting all the time you want to be at peak performance

[barren zephyr]

Growing is easy yeah
And most importantly

Long

[keen reef]

Popped into my mind when they added juvi Utah pounce, the thought about the poorly embraced growth

[barren zephyr]

So much that it's brain numbing and agonizing playing anything other than the smaller tiers

[keen reef]

If I get done quickly I'll see yall in like 4 hours and I can talk about it properly then if you care which you shouldn't but it might interest you

[urban flax]

It's long because there is nothing to do
Oh and nights are super boring

[barren zephyr]

That's why there is 500 Utahs currently
Because people would rather put up playing with that while remaining a viable efficient dino
Than one that takes hours and hours of sitting

[keen reef]

All the fear is gone from this game, I sure hope the next few updates will fix that with what they've promised

You could argue deino but it's more of a shock than a fear, and shallow water is a little too abundant

Not saying they should make less shallow water, fuck Croc, its just not something for fear

[paper oriole]

Deino isnt even a shock rn

[keen reef]

Yeah tbh you know it's gonna happen most of the time

[glad eagle]

Yeah I didn't take in account the carnivore growth times

[paper oriole]

In the future there will be less if them and it will fix itself but yeah there isnt anything ‘scary’ or ‘shocking’ right now

[keen reef]

Precisely, and that's a problem

[barren zephyr]

I'm skeptical that diets would even resolve these issues
So what if I eat some good plants exploring, I'm still long ways from making it to adult for quite some time

[keen reef]

While I think night time is very pretty right now it doesn't really add much

[paper oriole]

Just annoying carni megapacks, mix packing stegos, pteras, tenos and carnos and spamcalling that can be heard from every corner of the map

Diets probably wont resolve much

I honestly think they’re overhyped

[low canopy]

They are

[barren zephyr]

Same

[paper oriole]

Especially when people say they'll fix herbi gameplay

Or sport killing from both sides

[low canopy]

What herbs? No reason to play herb when you cant find any other herbs, just massive carni packs everywhere

[barren zephyr]

Once I seen on the roadmap that "different types of plants"
I was disappointed

[paper oriole]

Or carni mixpacking, or megapacking, or anything

[barren zephyr]

What was that supposed to fix?
How does that make anything interesting?

[keen reef]

Well assuming they go the smart route and make growth longer, Diets will do quite a lot. Once you have to spend 3 hours for a Carno cause you're just eating random shit people will come to respect the older growth times, which shouldn't be far from what good diet balance is

And you're forced to go from place to place if you want those good stats and quick growth

So basically it does quite a bit, but only for not completely lazy people

[paper oriole]

I also heard carni diets will be a lot less strict than herbi ones so it will make herbi gameplay more tedious, make it harder to herd as an herbi, but not affect carnis much

If its true

[barren zephyr]

I think there's a lot of good ideas
But so much room to mess up execution

[paper oriole]

Like sorry but having the game force me to migrate to specific areas to find a specific plant isnt any less boring than just eating any random ass bush

[keen reef]

cough locked health

[urban flax]

Well herbi life is boring by essence

[barren zephyr]

It doesn't need to be tho

[paper oriole]

It could at least have quality of life

[barren zephyr]

That's the magic of mechanics and implementation

[molten tulip]

I wonder if stuff like truffle hunting/finding ways to reach fruit in trees can be implemented to be fun and engaging

[urban flax]

Herbivore life in The Isle is probably already much less boring than irl herbivore life

[barren zephyr]

Yeah this was a terrible idea
There's no way to fix that rn

[paper oriole]

I doubt they can make mushroom and fruit all that interesting

[keen reef]

Yeah fuck that mechanic

"what's that you barely escaped that Carno pack with your life? Well boy do I have a story for you" - locked health 2021

[paper oriole]

And it wont make not being able to find a group before you're lynch mobbed by 40 raptors any less annoying

[barren zephyr]

We need an explosion of herbies for them to work next update, because herds should take numbers advantage over megapacks

[keen reef]

It's more about the danger of traversing to locations where they grow that I think can really help the game if they do it right, but it's the Isle so that's like a 30% chance they will let's be honest

[low canopy]

gonna be funni if diets wont really impact carnis all too much and same death match continues in the middle of the map

[molten tulip]

Megapacks shouldn't even exist

[barren zephyr]

They shouldn't but they happen with little consequence for forming them

[keen reef]

Comfort system question Mark?

[molten tulip]

Nah

[barren zephyr]

Eh

[molten tulip]

That's clunky and abusable

[paper oriole]

The danger of traveling isnt fun when you are all alone or in a tiny group because everyone is playing carni and you just get swamped by groups you have no chance against because you aren’t balanced to survive the endless waves of carni megapacks that are always there

[molten tulip]

Just bring back moderation and that fixes it perfectly

[keen reef]

Yeah I guess

[keen reef]

Well it'd be a good idea if this wasn't the Isle, like I said it's all about implementation, and from past experience we don't have the best odds at anything that's more than a chore mechanic for herbis

[low canopy]

it gets even worse when more and more people start to use discord for groups and then organise hunting across the map and even if you somehow survive the initial attack they just keep coming back as juvis and grow from their own bodies all over again til you're dead

[barren zephyr]

We need herd activities, more interesting solo life mechanics, actual buffs if herbi's have an optimal diet(stam ones I'm thinking). Basically something engaging and that gives an edge over the other player faction

[paper oriole]

Which is why they should just focus a bit more on quality-of-life for herbis to help compensate for the dumb shit they get

Carnis are the more popular faction by default, but then they also have more niches and the lure of strains while herbis have nothing

[keen reef]

Petition to start a Pachy task force to break the legs of all Megapacks by having 20 of us charge them at once

[fiery wraith]

fractures will change a lot of that

i imagine the tail slam from teno can break things

[paper oriole]

As if carnis wont also deal fracture

[molten tulip]

Rex break leg because rex

[paper oriole]

Deino bite, carno charge, rex obviously, are things that probably fracture

[barren zephyr]

I'm pretty sure once herbi's see a slight advantage or a semblance of viability they'll immediately backpedal to appease carni's. Either with fractures of nerfs.

[paper oriole]

It tends to happen

Basically legacy on repeat, anything better would honestly surprise me

[keen reef]

Group of 8 Carnos: you're surrounded, just lie down and accept it

That one lone Pachy: I just checked Vulnona, and I can't find where I asked

[paper oriole]

Carnis complain that an herbi can defend itself, herbi gets nerfed, rinse and repeat

[barren zephyr]

We only have Teno being an outlier to that rule
Maybe Stego if it doesn't stop being exhausted

[molten tulip]

Deer, Buffalo, etc in real life can completely drop their predators or disable them for life just from one kick

[keen reef]

Yeah but carnivore bias

[molten tulip]

If carnivores ever get fractures i feel like they should be way less superior to the fracturing herbivores do

[barren zephyr]

fractures should be defensive in nature

a long term affect

[paper oriole]

All the JP fanboys who want to rp as oneshot rex and indoraptor get upset when the herbivore doesnt just lay down and die and the devs listen to them

[keen reef]

Okay I'm not gonna lie indoraptor would be a cool fucking strain if they had the rights to it and I'm tired of pretending it wouldn't be, but yeah that's accurate

[molten tulip]

Indoraptor is ugly

[fringe flare]

@hallow flume I think we should be able to hide scent too. But I don't think it should be an ability. All scent should be carried downwind. Predators should be sneaking up on their prey from downwind. Wind direction should change randomly each day/night cycle. This would all dinos to place nest strategically so the scent is not blowing in a direction it is vulnerable from, but also allows a good chance for the wind to change direction after dark cycle starts.

[paper oriole]

Indoraptor would be cool if it didnt have the shitty jp anatomy

[glad eagle]

They're absolute everywhere too

[barren zephyr]

Indoraptor is cool if we ignore the fanbases
I can't be convinced otherwise

[keen reef]

Fucking 4 legged demon horse galloping towards you at 50km/h

[barren zephyr]

But back on topic

[keen reef]

It has the opposite effect on me. It's supposed to be gross and scary but I think it'd adorable lmao

[keen reef]

Yeah definitely

[barren zephyr]

Diets sound neat, but just having 20 variants of the bush with different values doesn't sound like it'll fix anything

Even if some of them may slightly increase growth times

[molten tulip]

I love grody ugly designs, because theyre reflections of reality, but indoraptor is just humans slapping teeth and spikes on a fictional animal

Its not inspired by real ugly

[keen reef]

Diets being a good feature require a collective 20 braincells that the Dev team don't really have

[barren zephyr]

Now

If some of them provide buffs, healing factors, stam regens, or water.

[molten tulip]

^

[barren zephyr]

Then it has my attention

[molten tulip]

Should just be getting qol effects that help you deal with situations

[keen reef]

If good dietary balance nullifies locked health then I'm in

[barren zephyr]

Some plants should insta heal locked health

[fiery wraith]

maybe that's what the salt lick things do

[barren zephyr]

This gives them something cool

[molten tulip]

So you can strategize and use your surroundings and be rewarded for it

[fringe flare]

It's my understanding that diets won't boost growth time, rather not doing the diets will severely slow the growth time. So instead of 5 hrs to grow a stego it might take 10 if you are just hiding in a bush.

[barren zephyr]

It'd be rewarding too for the herbi's
Like a player would visually see an improvement or an advantage for exploration

[barren zephyr]

Well that's garbage

[fiery wraith]

I like it. i think growth times are too short as is

as long as it's not the only benefit i guess

[barren zephyr]

For Stegos or Teno's

Nah

[fiery wraith]

stego is apex herbi and teno is fast for how strong

[barren zephyr]

Long growth times with nothing to alleviate it. Is where the issue with the implementations begin

[keen reef]

What I think will either be terrifying or just plain fucking annoying depending on how it's done will be when people learn what their desired preys plant locations are and set up ambushes

[barren zephyr]

If that applied to the big apexes like Rex, Shant, Spino, etc
I'd be on board with that concept
It' be more justified

[fiery wraith]

difficulty of diets might vary from species too

stego could have it easy cause ferns are in the forests

[keen reef]

Like imagine going to get some mushrooms as your little Pachy group and then boom 5 fucking utahs just sprint at you. If you ain't alone that's a heart racing fight, if you are alone that's just an annoying fucking death

[barren zephyr]

I personally think the game should be focused on maintaining your dino to get to elder, and less focus on the growing process

[fiery wraith]

i think it's all connected

[barren zephyr]

It should be yeah

But so far how well these feedback loops may play out seems sketchy

[keen reef]

Imo things shouldn't be strong against close tiers until sub adult stage, baby and juvi stego is way too strong, although I'm not saying that juvi stego shouldn't be able to take a Utah cause it should

But a fresh spawn stego can 3-4 shot a full Utah with its little nub spikes and that's just silly

[drifting radish]

I think atm it’s basically the same as legacy version (carno 2 shot, utah 1) once other things come in it’ll be harder. I imagine stego will have a hard time against bigger bleeders.

On that note, I feel like bleed is way underwhelming right now but maybe that’s because we haven’t gotten the real heavy ones yet haha.

[regal crest]

How much space is the isle game?

[urban flax]

16 Go
Also, wrong channels

[paper oriole]

Imagine wasting thousands making a playable just to quarantine it from the rest of the game on a closed ecosystem

Honestly magy was just a dumb animal to add

[swift dew]

wait miragaia, are you unamused or laughing?

[paper oriole]

Its like the awkward laugh you do when something is just sad

That is my reaction

[barren zephyr]

hmmm

[paper oriole]

They ahould just go full throttle ridiculous with magy and use the exploding sea cucumber joke idea for it to be viable

Its too late to save it

[barren zephyr]

everyone goes on and on and on about How stats about dinosaur and all this other shit. like OH BAD ANIMAL. yet.. i feel personally. that's not the point. the isn't a pvp focused game. it's an ecosystem simulator with ecosystem invaders

why not

[paper oriole]

But it is a pvp survival game

[barren zephyr]

it has pvp elements while being pve

let me finish

[hasty dagger]

Dryomain trying to get muted again I see

[barren zephyr]

i think it would be a good idea if. the ecosystem as a whole. was well balanced. like of course we're getting map traps and diets, etc. what i mean is. i think the map as a whole needs to be revampt to accommodate some of the dinosaurs. rn the map was designed around deino and ptera. which is good. but everything else feels it's just there. if that makes sense? like the thousands of palms in plains. and it's jarring to look at. alot of the stuff doesn't feel like it's designed specifically for any of the dinosaurs.

basically. i feel the game should have an emphasis on the environment.

[lusty umbra]

smert

[paper oriole]

Most of the dinos can realistically be balanced on a map without being specifically accommodated by special enclosed biomed like the island suggestion asks for. Yeah some dinos should be encouraged to use biomes designed for them but there's nothing stopping am acro from waltzing into another biome to shitstomp an animal with no means of defense or escape

If an animal needs to be cut off from the rest of the roster for any reason other than being aquatic then it's just not viable

[barren zephyr]

well obviously

i'm not saying that we should enclose 1 animal

i'm saying the animals just feel placed in on an unremarkable islands they aren't that adapted for

[paper oriole]

The map does feel pretty plain and lacks different biomes to be inhabited, though that's being worked on

[barren zephyr]

oh yeah i'm aware of that. and hopefully that gets address

rn it's just. meh

[paper oriole]

Don't think anything can be done with the map to accommodate magy without making it 1. Boring 2. Totally stretched or 3. Plain ineffective though, something needs to be done with magy itself

or just replace it with baja lol

[drifting radish]

Yeahhhh. While I love Magy it’s uh… gonna be hella weird

Not fast enough to outrun any of its real threats, but also can fight back again stop them - unless ofc, all apex are allow as shit LMAO

[paper oriole]

It will either look stupid as hell with bloated stats or be kfs fodder

[barren zephyr]

i mean. i have a few ideas for magy. maybe magy can live in some dense brush. not like the kind in game rn.

like.. lemme find a picture

[paper oriole]

If its forced to live in one biome to be viable where theres still a chance predators who know itll be there can see it and curbstomp it then its pretty boring

[drifting radish]

It could but realistically? No one gonna stay in the dense area

Personally I like exploring, and diets promote that, adding a place where it’s ok just to be magy is t good

[paper oriole]

Being forced to stay in one cramped biome to lessen your chances of becoming a stress ball for 80% of the predators and aggro herbis on the map sounds like a nightmare

[barren zephyr]

not what i mean

as a prefered biome. i think a dense forest can make sense. one that has vines and all sorts of things to foliage that can slow movement. if you go through like certain parts of it

[paper oriole]

I mean if it lives there and thats what would make it survivable then it would kinda end like that

Not quite just a preferred biome if you need it to stand a ghost of a chance against predators, it becomes a requirement

[drifting radish]

How will it survive everywhere else then outside there? (And if they chose not to leave, like previously said preditors will still know that’s where they are and kill them)

[paper oriole]

That's like saying my preferred environment is on land instead of a gator infested river

Because if i went in the river i'd fucking die lol

[drifting radish]

And even on land u can get curb stomped

that’s a really good analogy

[barren zephyr]

what if there was a foliage type that slowed things that entered it?

[drifting radish]

I fail to see how that’d help magy more than the things hunting it

[paper oriole]

Would every animal be screwed except magy? Because that's where it starts to feel artificial

Which was point 2. Stretched

[barren zephyr]

fair enough. i'm just spit balling ideas to back in my point that the biomes are artificial feeling and not all that remarkable. that being said. the game is going for stretched concepts anyway so

[paper oriole]

In a way, but not in that way

[drifting radish]

I think there’s a line between stretched for the sake of it being a game and being stretched for making something very fickle and hard to fit, fit in with it.

[paper oriole]

Like it's stretched in some models and abilities tied to model changes only for the most part

Which is fine because a lot of media goes the route of uninspired jp designs so it isnt even much of a stretch anymore, and magy already has its model

So it cant get the tenonto treatment

[drifting radish]

the tenonto treatment?

[paper oriole]

Its anatomy being exaggerated to make it viable

So it can beat ass with its tail

[drifting radish]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh gotcha

[paper oriole]

Magy’s anatomy is weird but like they didnt give it any cool buff ups with it

Its neck was bulked up but thats just begging to get yourself headshot if you use it

[barren zephyr]

yeah that's another thing. it's a weirdly proportioned titanosaur and they didn't even give it cool stuff that titanosaurs actually had

[drifting radish]

i think sauropods are a little hard to do that with arent they? without adding like, skin flaps, spikes, skoots, so on

[barren zephyr]

it's only magyarosaurus in name and not the creature

[paper oriole]

Yeah and there's spiky and armored sauropods on the small end which they could have used, makes the decision for magy extra weird

[barren zephyr]

saltasaurus will forever be my pick

[paper oriole]

Yeah he woulda been nicer than magy lol

[crude girder]

iirc the plan with Magy was sauropod that was small enough for a cerato adult to feasibly hunt it

back when Cerato was smaller

[paper oriole]

Magy looks roughly 50/50 with cerato

[drifting radish]

I fell in love with magy bc i mean-- its fucking adorable, and ive always been a sucker for nice earthy browns but man :(
if im just going to not be able to fight anything that poses a threat, and also not be able to run i dont want to waste my time with it

[barren zephyr]

even though cerato got upsized yeah that's... ironic

[paper oriole]

If they really added him to just be cerato food with no consideration for viability then wow lol

[crude girder]

Well yeah, I mean it's not such an upsize that Magy still wouldn't work, the issue is something like Bajada or Salta would flatten a cerato or skewer it would they not?

[barren zephyr]

baja not really

[crude girder]

I mean it's cerato food that won't just roll over and die for a cerato, since the prey options there were Diablo and kentro

or Teno which is larger and stronger

[paper oriole]

Though does cerato need a saurpood punching bag? It seems kinda a weird reason to add an unviable dino

[drifting radish]

^^

[crude girder]

Cerato didn't need any punching bags, it's a cannibal, so it could've been its own food source

[paper oriole]

Exactly

[barren zephyr]

baja is in the same size category as magy. if not a tad larger. hell baja has semi close anatomy to the magy we have. it's closer than real magy anyway

[drifting radish]

think theyre trying to work in pairs of match ups bc like tenonto utah, stego carno so on

[crude girder]

Yeah but at the same time, Baja's whole thing is it can fight a lot more since it's not gonna be much faster right?

[paper oriole]

I really wanna know the conversation and thought process that went down between the devs before spending the time and money to add magy

[crude girder]

It's not even like Magy will be unviable, it'll be able to grow and survive, it'll just be on the lower end of the tier list

[barren zephyr]

tenonto utah doesn't even work though anymore. it's more carno v tenonto now cuz.. well pachy exists and carno and tenonto are more closely in size range

[crude girder]

unviable seems to imply that there isn't a single winning encounter for it, it'd do fine against basically everything except for 3 maybe 4 carnivores

[drifting radish]

Ik... the abount of times ive gotten bodied by carnos ughhhh. gross.

[paper oriole]

It will be able to grow and survive if it isnt seen by predators or if every predator that sees it makes the decision to spare it

[crude girder]

I mean it's not like a single troodon is rolling Magy

hell, even a single Cerato wouldn't be able to just poke and insta kill Magy

[paper oriole]

Honestly we cant even be sure of that yet sadly lol

On the troodon

[barren zephyr]

magy with loads of stam is the only one that makes sense to me honestly.

[crude girder]

Do you think it would be fun to put an animal in the game that can kill an animal 10x heavier than it with no trouble?

[drifting radish]

i can imagine it having loads of stam but just overall low hit, lackluster attacks against cera

[paper oriole]

Plus troodon is one of a handful of extra small predators, a good chunk of players go for pack hunting and large predators

[barren zephyr]

tbf. the concept shows magy throwing a troodon like a ragdoll so

[drifting radish]

well, cera, carno, allo, bc rly theyre practically the same thing to it. (size range, damage)

[barren zephyr]

ehhhhhhhhhhh exclude allo

[drifting radish]

doubt it'll get added though, bc itd use the same things as picking up babies theyve said wont be added

[crude girder]

Honestly the problem matchups for Magy are: Carno(?) Allo, Alberto, Acro

If you let an apex find and catch you, you did a stupid

[drifting radish]

maybeeeeeeeeeeeee it can take an alberto if its alone but defiently not an apex like acro whos fast as fuck with bleed

[paper oriole]

If its odds of survival are low when a faster predator sees it then it then it's just unviable

[barren zephyr]

pretty sure it wasn't suppose to be taken literal. means more of oh it can throw down with a a bunch of troodons where tenonto can't

[paper oriole]

If it has to look stupid and bloated to survive then it is also unviable, which magy would need to be to defend against an alberto

[barren zephyr]

i doubt carno will be that much of an issue for magy.

like the main issues arise when it's allo and up

like heres how i view it. since magy poison was deconfirmed and we can't have an interesting diet playstyle with it. and we're stuck with yet another brawler animal thats literally just long neck tenonto.

[ionic arch]

Change subject

[silver zephyr]

dart frog magy will live on in my heart

[barren zephyr]

no. this is a genuine convo. not a meme convo like whats going on in discussion

[silver zephyr]

wha

[barren zephyr]

jack

[silver zephyr]

oh

[ionic arch]

Smoke above the trees after a forest fire

So you think my suggestion is a troll? No.

[barren zephyr]

[drifting radish]

I think it'll be a great brawler but honestly, when cera out, ppl with flock to cera instead of the magy and just like now big ol mega packs will body it.
i think its moreso the fact that it can neither run nor fight/defend when its in real danger

[drifting radish]

would work great for fog to after it rains! would love to see a misty forest when im flying around as ptera. might fly into some trees, might fly into another ptera, who knows

[barren zephyr]

like give magy tough af armor. and give it loads of stam.

[ionic arch]

What have I done, I just came in the general feedback discussion

[barren zephyr]

i wasn't calling your suggestion a meme. i meant ISLE discussion

[drifting radish]

:D

[ionic arch]

[barren zephyr]

also. lets think about it real quick. if magy is gonna be able to move quick af. *it's gonna be hard af to head shot it

[drifting radish]

wait what

where do you get the idea that mgy is a fast animal

bc i can assure you: its not

its like. maybe stego speed

not fast

[barren zephyr]

we don't know that yet also i didn't mean sprint speed quick

[paper oriole]

Tenonto turns fast and carnos snd utahs can still land headshots on it, if you meant fast maneuverability

Plus we dont know how fast cerato's turning and attacking will be

[ionic arch]

They meant in speed

[barren zephyr]

yeah but that's the thing. tenontos head is on it's body's hitbox. since magy is gonna be higher. and if it rurns as fast as tenonto. it's not gonna be as easy. *plus magy's head is attached to a thick armoredlooking neck

[barren zephyr]

no i didn't

[ionic arch]

Not you

I hope sauropods will have a 2x damage multiplier on the neck

[drifting radish]

cera can still reach its head just fine

[paper oriole]

Head isnt that high

[drifting radish]

theyre like the same size basically

oh hey, great minds think alike LOL

[paper oriole]

Lmao yes

[silver zephyr]

that cerato image is the best image to ever exist

[paper oriole]

God im gonna kfs magys so much

Oh lord Jack’s suggestion would make magy even more shit

[ionic arch]

Yeah but Giga will be able to kill brachi because of neck hit which would be nice to see

[drifting radish]

ew.

gross

[ionic arch]

Yes, that's the point lol (not really, but I was just referring sauropods with magy)

[paper oriole]

Sauro necks should be more vulnerable to bleed rather than damage if anything, so only sauropod hunters really benefit

And not shit like rex

[ionic arch]

I mean their weak spot is definitely the neck so we understand that even if it's magy, the neck should be vulnerable

[barren zephyr]

i'd beg to differ on the neck

[drifting radish]

dont even bring up rex UGH. hope they balance that shit. not like what happened in legacy "oh tehe, big strong king of dinos rex, my fav animal!" sort of bullshit balance

[paper oriole]

Maybe the reason they gave magy a disgustingly fat neck and dewlapwas to negate the extra weakness there

I say extra because magy is already bad

Rex in legacy was more balanced than giga and trike at least. Giga was busted and trike was trash

[drifting radish]

i think giga and trike are both trash

[ionic arch]

Then give Cama and bigger Sauro 2x damage if hit on the -neck- and magy only with 1.5x

[paper oriole]

Any Giga with 2 brain cells to rub together solos trike and camara in a 1v1

[barren zephyr]

wheres doctor nova's size chart when you need it

[drifting radish]

this is the isle we're talking abt, how many ppl have 2 braincells to rub together

[paper oriole]

No meed to give magy multipliers on its neck at all the poor fucker is already a bad animal lmao

It literally only existed because it was quarantined from any actual predators and when a land bridge opened up it got shitstomped into extinction so fast

[ashen elm]

What will reach an adult Cama's neck? Not even Rex or Giga can... maybe Spino depending on how much they oversize it.

Then again, if you want an advantage vs a sub-adult I guess that's fine

[drifting radish]

✨ Island Dwarfism ✨

[drifting radish]

at its finest

[honest sparrow]

I can see Giga reaching a cama’s neck

[honest sparrow]

And spino defenitely can based on that size chart

[ionic arch]

And spino look how tall he is

[paper oriole]

Giga could probably hunt it by biting its thighs until it bleeds out like it does in legacy lol

Just hit and runs

[barren zephyr]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401464048610312195/853029201196351578/xITYWP9.png idk bout you but magy seems higher.

[paper oriole]

Magy is at perfect decapitation height

[drifting radish]

^^

[ashen elm]

I like Nova and all, but I'm not sure how exactly accurate some of those skeletal are. Gonna test on some of the sketals I have myself, since Random has updated his Cama a couple of times

[ionic arch]

Is apato confirmed?

[barren zephyr]

again think about it real quick. if magy is gonna be maneuverable like tenonto. it's gonna be harder to get a head shot

[drifting radish]

good idea!

and no, apato isnt

[ashen elm]

In an extended roster yes
It's part of one of the older models

[barren zephyr]

i mean tbf. devs call it bronto and apato so

[ashen elm]

Bronto/Apato is pretty much interchangeable

[drifting radish]

basically the same animal in my books. ones long, ones tall. patato patato

[ionic arch]

It's gonna be cool walking around and looking at apato waking like in BoB but better

[barren zephyr]

anyway am i wrong about it being harder to nab a headshot on magy since it's neck is on a thick af stilt

[honest sparrow]

Can’t even look at apato as something decently small as apato kills you with its presence in that game

[honest sparrow]

Neck=/=Head

[ionic arch]

Yeah but there is neck as a weak spot

[barren zephyr]

the neck on magy doesn't seem like much of a weakspot unless you count that saggy scrote of a dewlap

[paper oriole]

Dewlaps can actually pad blows though

Well, unless somebody grabs it and rips it like me when i try opening.a chip bag

[honest sparrow]

When donpondia

[crude girder]

Well isn't loose skin evolved to counter exactly that type of attack?

[icy lion]

grabs? yes afaik

[crude girder]

It's hard to tear something if it just keep going

[icy lion]

loose skin tends to bleed less since its just skin, not substantial integument that needs blood flow

[crude girder]

Magy takes less bleed damage from neck hits

that would feel kinda cheap tho ngl

[icy lion]

a little lol

[ashen elm]

Ok, yea, see this is 10 Sue Rex (bigger than Giga) vs C. Supremus

It can reach the neck but it's gonna have to crack it's neck to really do any damage. A normal bite just scrapes and shouldn't really do much to Cama.
https://i.imgur.com/fHwdkqX.png

[paper oriole]

Yeah which is why i assumed magy's fat horse neck and dewlap were there to negate the usual neck weakness a longneck would have

[honest sparrow]

The isle

[crude girder]

Also I missed everything after my last comment, I had to run to the post office

[icy lion]

imo it might be fun to play with the idea of reduced damage and slightly reduced bleed, and by slightly i mean maybe 5-10% less?

on the neck/dewlap specifically, i mean

[crude girder]

I mean people have convinced themselves that the armor on Magy's neck and shoulder aren't there, so damage reduction I would say isn't a thing that animal should have

[ashen elm]

Also in the game, the animals just do a normal bite, so I don't really see it working well against adults.

Spino though maybe, but it should have a weaker bite in the first place.

[paper oriole]

It basically isnt, the scutes dont exactly cover much

[crude girder]

Doesn't really need the damage reduction either, Alberto and Allo are the biggest concerns since they are fast enough to be a problem and too large to fight easily

[barren zephyr]

they are shown to draw blood or cause dmg on cerato so for offensive purposes?

[paper oriole]

Maybe acro too, maybe sucho

[crude girder]

and Allo has the grapple which would be its finishing move, while Alberto has the fracture that keeps you from running

Acro it depends heavily, and I'd say probably not for sucho

I don't see it being able to dish out enough damage quick enough to cripple the Magy before it runs out of stamina to keep running at it

I imagine Magy going at or slightly faster than Diablos speed

[paper oriole]

Depends if sucho grapples with those big meaty arms

[crude girder]

so evading apexes won't be too much trouble if you keep your wits about you

[icy lion]

not applicable, people managed to convince themselves that deino needed buffs and stego is op

[crude girder]

I don't think Sucho would have a grapple, more likely a slap

[paper oriole]

lol magy hate art popping up in the fanart is so timely

[crude girder]

I do think its funny people are commiting so hard to hating an animal that 1. Probably won't be played by a majority of players simply because it is a sauropod, and its not like we'll see many of those anyway, and 2. Isn't even that offensive. It's not like Magy is being turned into some hyper aggro animal that will go out of its way to fuck with you, and thus generate salt

[drifting radish]

correct me if im wrong, but sexual dimorphism isnt out yet much is it? besides ptera

[crude girder]

I mean we've got skins

[icy lion]

i think ptera is the only one that has it

outside of colors

[paper oriole]

My feelings for magy arent hate as much as hardcore disappointment

[drifting radish]

GREAT, thank youuuuuu 👍 is that planned for breeding update you think? bc otherwise, im putting in a suggestion to sauce that shit in lol.

[paper oriole]

Well maybe it is hate because we coulda gotten a cooler smal sauropod

[crude girder]

Do you feel something similar for the equally fake Beipi?

[paper oriole]

Not really, beipi looks like he could be viable

[crude girder]

I mean what is your definition of viable even?

Everyone seems to have a different one

[paper oriole]

It doesnt die when something sees it. If an allo or alberto decides a magy should die it probably will

[icy lion]

the only reason i care about magy is 1. its cute imo and 2. im sick of people acting like they know literally everything about a dino we havent even seen most of the animations of

its just so tiring

[paper oriole]

Or if they have ti give magy insane fantasy stats that dont match its design for it to survive

[crude girder]

I mean part of the issue for me with Magy isn't even about Magy, it's about CC

[drifting radish]

I think magy is maybe the cutest dino there is. model with for the game.

[crude girder]

we have 2 stun options, 1.You can't attack or move, 2. You can't attack or move but longer

[paper oriole]

Magy is adorable but so are chickens and how much does that help them

[crude girder]

I think adding an option that gives you You can't attack or sprint, or a You can't attack, but can move freely is needed to flesh out that system, and if we had that Magy could just use that

I assume Allo's grapple will take a shit ton of stamina

So magy doesn't have to out run the Allo, it just needs to waste enough stam to get above the insta-kill/cripple threshold for the grapple

[paper oriole]

So it can delay its death to knock the breath out of one allo who happens to have no backup, not eliminating the threat, and still be totally screwed when the inevitable full capacity packs come up because let's face it, that's how it will always go

[crude girder]

I mean if you have enough compies you can kill a Brachi instantly

ah, that wasn't a typo, allow me to respond properly then

[paper oriole]

I dont think even a full server of compies could kill a brachi in under an hour being generous

I’d be surprised to see 10 compies down a juvie carno

[crude girder]

No, but hypothetically if you got 1 compy for each point of HP, you could one shot it

likewise, trike would die vs 40 allos

[paper oriole]

But 40 allos isnt the regularity

[crude girder]

sure those are hyperbole, but I don't like bringing packs into discussions for that reason

5 Magys could probably kill an Allo

[paper oriole]

Full capacity packs, say 3 allos as a set example estimate, would he a regularity

[crude girder]

would most of them die? Almost definitly, but once you've grapple killed one, then you're out of stam for your big attack

[paper oriole]

The allo could just leave, magy is too slow to have that liberty

[crude girder]

I mean if it wasted its stamina then no it couldn't just leave

[paper oriole]

The thing is magy being too slow to flee from threats it cant eliminate

[crude girder]

unless Allo is planned to trot faster than Diablo sprints

[vast wolf]

did we already rip into the herbivore growth time suggestion thats absolutely filthy

[paper oriole]

The allo wpuld have to choose to engage 5 magys first

Yeah we did but we can do it more

Because 2hr+ pachy is a shit idea

[crude girder]

Growth time suggestions are in general not the most helpful since we don't know how diets will affect growth times yet

[vast wolf]

why tf are most of the small herbivores longer than dryo

also how is trike growing so fast

[paper oriole]

God knows maybe that guy doesn’t want them to be played lol

[vast wolf]

it does feel like half of the herbivores have shitty growth times and others have super fast ones

[paper oriole]

Only way trike would deserve a fast grow like that is if it was legacy tier trash that isnt worth playing anyway

[vast wolf]

ava taking as much time as tenonto is cursed

shant and trike taking the same 5 hour time as anky is also cursed

[paper oriole]

I wana know what he was thinkin with those times

[vast wolf]

the only ones i partly agree on for growth timers
hypsi
dryo
proto
maia
pachyrhino
stego
anky

[paper oriole]

Oh he changed pachy from 2hr10m down to an hour and a half since last i looked

[vast wolf]

everything else smaller than trike takes too long

[paper oriole]

One good change on a cursed list

[vast wolf]

wait pachy was over 2 hours?

[paper oriole]

Yep

[vast wolf]

what the actual fuck kind of drugs are they on

[paper oriole]

Lmao right??

[vast wolf]

two 500 kilogram animals taking longer than tenonto is fucking cursed

and diablo being 3 hours is dumb. must think its still legacy 3 ton.

[paper oriole]

Yeah its like ava 2.0 now

[vast wolf]

care if i do my list?

[paper oriole]

Why does deinocheirus take longer to grow than shant

And sure

[vast wolf]

hypsi - 15 minutes
homalo - 20 minutes
ovi - 25 minutes
beipi - 30 minutes
dryo - 35 minutes
proto - 40 minutes
minmi - 45 minutes
galli - 1 hr 5 minutes
ava - 1 hour 10 minutes
pachy 1 hour 15 minutes
magy - 1 hour 35 minutes
kentro - 1 hour 45 minutes
diablo - 1 hour 45 minutes
tenonto - 1 hour 55 minutes
maia - 2 hours 20 minutes
styrao - 3 hours
para - 3 hours 55 minutes
pachyrhino - 4 hours 15 minutes
theri - 4 hours 50 minutes
stego - 5 hours
anky - 5 hours 35 minutes
deinocherius - 6 hours
trike - 6 hours 30 minutes
shant - 7 hours 20 minutes
camara - 7 hours 45 minutes
brachi - 3.5 hours to 70% other 30% takes another 7 hours

i could be extra mean and increase everything theri to camara by another hour or two

but i feel those are fine excluding the last 4 in all aspects

[paper oriole]

In the end it really depends on how those animals are balanced, overall a much more sensible list that looks like you were sober when you made it unlike the other guy's list lol

[vast wolf]

trike could go to 7.5 hours
shant could go to 8.25 hours
cama could go to 8.75 hours
brachi could go to 12 hours

thats just depending how they work

[paper oriole]

Depending on if shant specializes in cc or is a deadly defensive and stuff like that

[vast wolf]

i would definitely prefer the lower growth times.

with the carnivores it would make more sense

like sucho and acro are between pachyrhino and theri

with rex giga and spino being around trike and shant

and deino being between anky and cherius

[paper oriole]

Carnis are always the more played side anyway and are designed to kill so longer average growth times for them is good (i’m totally not biased i swear)

[vast wolf]

in the small ones thats definitely going to be more true

[fringe flare]

I think 30 min growth time should be the minimum. Hypsi only 15 minutes? Why even spend the time developing growth if is only 15 min of gameplay?

[vast wolf]

troodon should take longer than dryo

because hypsi is a legitimate cocroach with feathers.

[paper oriole]

Because hypsi is absolute bottom of the barrel

[vast wolf]

and its kind of designed to be a fast grower that spends more time messing around as an adult than as a baby maggot.

i still think homalo and hypsi would be basically maggots as babies.

at least both have somewhat more interesting adult gameplay.

[fringe flare]

I guess I'm probably in the minority here, but surviving growing a dinosaur is the most enjoyable part of the game for me. Once I'm adult I usually go get myself killed so I can start over lol

[paper oriole]

Honestly wouldnt even mind rodent tier things like hypsi only getting growth with nesting and requiring that for elder because aside from that its elder will probably be relatively easy

[vast wolf]

also i think we can all agree on compy being a 0-2 minute grow.

[vast wolf]

thats also a fair point.

[paper oriole]

Diff dinos offer different playstyles though, hypsi is one of those live fast die fast types

[vast wolf]

live fast breed like rabbit types.

[paper oriole]

If you feel like throwing it away after it reaches adult well, it's honestly well suited for that

Like legacy dryo where people would die and not feel like growing anything so they went dryo and suicide trolled

[fringe flare]

Once hyping can climb its survivability will go up quite a bit

[paper oriole]

Perhaps, honestly depends on how good it climbs

Because utah had a momentum based climb in its concept which it honestly shouldnt get

[vast wolf]

herrera will still be a good predator for hypsi.

[hoary dawn]

magy factory farmed food niche

[vast wolf]

agreed. if your dumb enough to need that you should die.

[fringe flare]

I grew rexes on v3 and suicides them to start over. Sub rex was fun and challenging. Adult rex was slow and boring

[vast wolf]

magy lone sheep niche.

[paper oriole]

Velo should get it instead, utahs already have rocks and buildings now

[vast wolf]

velo should be the super versatile small predator that can basically do anything but exceeds at nothing.

to make as different as possible for the spitefully added troodon.

[paper oriole]

all-terrain velo could work pretty well yeah

[vast wolf]

i still hate hypsi and troodon for taking a niche from oro and velo.

[paper oriole]

troodon feel sso bloated too

[vast wolf]

at least hyspi is fairly cute for a roach with feathers.

[paper oriole]

nightvision, mimicry and venom? and people keep asking for more

[vast wolf]

troodon is overloaded and looks like a snake with limbs.

remove mimicry and troodon can barely pass the steroid inspection.

[paper oriole]

troodons are going to be so god damn annoying lol

[vast wolf]

i want to crush them under my feet as anky.

that or just lay down on them.

[paper oriole]

i will go out of my way to kill the fuckers when i can, i already dislike them

[vast wolf]

^ agreed.

pachy/bary/minmi crackhead.

that is me in spirit rn.

the second i hear an oooooweeeee im going to be zooming over to it.

i dont care if i die as long as i take 5+ down with me.

[paper oriole]

I hope they make ovi not shite so i can main him and be happy, or im just going to go KOSing magies and troodons as other dinos

[vast wolf]

give ovi mimicry and active camo.

half of that is a joke the other is not.

still want mimicry on ovi.

[paper oriole]

yeah i had wished ovi would get mimicry, was so saddened when they wasted it on troodon who already had a viable setup

[vast wolf]

not just viable, straight up irritating and overtuned setup.

also we still have 0 news on mono.

its skin is interesting though as its very well camouflaged.

[paper oriole]

i actually forget mono exists

[vast wolf]

same

it has no identity right now.

except green goofy boi.

[paper oriole]

interested in bloodhound mono personally

[vast wolf]

good senses with some other form of extra edge for its survivability.

give it pachy defensive headbutt for utah.

[paper oriole]

a headbutt that staggers rather than fractures could actually work for him unironically

maybe

[vast wolf]

nah, crest is hollow.

i already want rugops to have a septic bite and or vomit of doom mechanic.

also rugops should be a chunky boi.

kind of similar to cerato but not cerato is what i see it as.

[paper oriole]

i want rugops to just be utterly disgusting

like septic bite, skunk spray or something that just fucks up your scent and makes it impossible for you to hide until you wash it off

would make larger predators think twice about bothering to attack it

maybe he can wallow in rotting carrion and bad mushrooms so people dont want to bite him too, maybe thats overkill lol

[zinc rivet]

to add onto my feedback in here, this is what i mean. wtf is this bullshit honestly

we all know how far ahead Stego's head and eyes are so why can i not see what my animal would be actually seeing, my view shouldnt be obstructed like this

[sudden hinge]

@wanton hull tho I agree with some of what your saying the devs never stated that diets is mando like idk where you got that from but it should definitely play a more integral part to gameplay than what you’ve suggested

[swift dew]

@glad eagle
I think these times would be much better, keep in mind that diets will also affect the time growing which is why they might seem a little long
Hypsi- 20 minutes
Homa- 30 minutes
Dryo- 40 minutes
Proto- 40 minutes
Taco- 30 minutes
Ovi- 45 minutes
Minmi- 45 minutes
Galli- 1 hour
Beipi- 50 minutes
Pachy- 1 hour 20 minutes
Teno- 1 hour 40 minutes
Ava- 1 hour 10 minutes
Magy- 1 hour 20 minutes
Kentro- 2 hours 15 minutes
Maia- 2 hours
Para- 3 hours 30 minutes
Plateo- 3 hours 30 minutes minutes
Dibble- 2 hours
Styraco- 3 hours 30 minutes
Pachyrhino- 4 hours
Stego- 5 hours
Theri- 4 hours 30 minutes
Trike- 6 hours 30 minutes
Anky- 5 hours 15 minutes
Shant- 6 hours 30 minutes
Cheirus- 6 hours 15 minutes
Cama- 7 hours
Bronto- 7 hours
Brachi- 8 hours

[glad eagle]

Yeah I like it I pretty much have no problems with it but shouldn't therizinosaurus be bumped up a bit it's almost if not the same size as Deinocheirus minus the humpback

[barren zephyr]

personally think the animals that are trike size and above should be longer. that's just me

[paper oriole]

Isnt ovi dryo tier? It doesnt need an hour grow honestly

[swift dew]

theri isnt very big (compared to the apexes)

[barren zephyr]

*same kinda goes for beipi too now that i think about it

[swift dew]

beipi has those big ass claws and is an omni, ovi is also an omni. which is why their times are slightly longer than those in their own weight class

forgot to do it to cheirus

I added plateo, 3 hours seems about right for it

[glad eagle]

If that proves anything it is around the same size not only taller than the apexes but has large claws to defend itself

[swift dew]

its only 4.5 tons, and height doesn't mean anything. it would get pushed around quite alot by the apexes

[glad eagle]

4.5 thought it was supposed to be around 6?

[swift dew]

definitly not 6, especially ours which is all floof

[glad eagle]

Dang

[fiery wraith]

is it just me or does a lot of the map seem lazily made? Like they just paint brush tool'd plants on. esp on hills.

I hope it gets polished by the new map person

[zealous violet]

I agree. The current map we have is insanely boring. Theres nothing to do and TBH diets are not going to be the miracle fix for everything everyone seems to keep thinking its going to be.
We need something to do, to explore, to quest and adventure and find out. Dropping some small buildings here and there just doesnt cut it anymore.
Like heck, if theres tribes/native people, maybe theres friggen staircases cut into the side of the mountain which would be great for small or medium dinos to explore just like there is out here in az.

[vale pawn]

i liked v3 where you can see the entire map, but at the same time it doesnt feel like your that high up

[zealous violet]

@gritty helm Im curious what you mean by utah?

[gritty helm]

utahraptor being basically jp velociraptor from a design standpoint

only referencing utah as an example of "this game doesn't try to be fully accurate with its creature designs"

[zealous violet]

Ahh I see what your saying. I heard someone that Dondi wanted it to be like JP when they first started. Or something like that.
I know that JP got their dinos mixed up and that velos are actually real small and utahs are more fitting in the size the movies made them out to be.
Ahhh but they were all genetically modified in the end so its okay.

[gritty helm]

made an edit to make that clearer but I'm fully expecting this to be a not well received suggestion since majority of people don't care about ptera's design at all lol

[hoary dawn]

i do agree the ptera's wings do look very skinny

which i guess makes sense since glider but still

weird

[paper oriole]

That ptera

Honestly i like our scrappy rat ptera

[hoary dawn]

the rest of the ptera is fine, its just the wing shape that is iffy

[gritty helm]

yeah

and ngl that pce render just happened to be the best example I could fine LOL

[paper oriole]

Guess it's all up to opinion, though tbe one in the suggestion looks idk... cheap? Not sure what the word i’m looking for is

[hoary dawn]

old

pce

[paper oriole]

It's the kind of design i'd see in a mobile game ad

Like it's just icky

[hoary dawn]

something more like the recent quetz' wings but longer is what i'd like to see

[gritty helm]

tbf I did mention there's a plethora of other examples that could be used. just really anything different than what we got now for the wings

[fiery wraith]

why does falling into water kill me. i wasnt even that high up >_<

[hoary dawn]

something along the lines of this, just to make the wings look more full

[glacial quest]

Agreed. It's weird that it got so many ❌s. Maybe people didn't understand the post?

[gritty helm]

I think people saw the primal carnage render and immediately were like ❌ lol

[paper oriole]

Personally i just prefer the dumb twig winged rat ptera we have over a full winged one

Its charming in a way

Its stupid looking skinny wings just fit the ptera playerbase full of trolls and mixpackers so well

[gritty helm]

Up to preference lol

[paper oriole]

Pretty much yeah

[hoary dawn]

it would be neat to have different wing shape options like what they're gonna do with feathers

[paper oriole]

wing and crest variations would be cool yeah, maybe a fuzzy ptera option. maybe im askin for too much on the fuzzy ptera lol

[zinc rivet]

@fiery wraith have u seen the WIP pics from their new map designer Jace?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664914260648001555/849786394108755988/SeaStack1.jpg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664914260648001555/842189944667635722/MapImage3.jpg

just give it a few updates, the map will be so much better

[vast wolf]

part of that was that we had no mapper and the other part was that the project lead was doing coding as well.

[zinc rivet]

I thought Dondi was the map maker, not a coder

[vast wolf]

he kind of did a bit of both

[fiery wraith]

yeah i'm really excited to see the redwoods that person made!

[fringe flare]

I just hope redwoods don't overheat my gpu like they used too 😕

[zinc rivet]

hissssss redwoods, my least favorite biome in dinosaur games

i will avoid them like the plague no matter how beautiful they are

[fringe flare]

@zinc rivet but we can climb them now

[zinc rivet]

wym

[paper oriole]

we're getting an arboreal dino

[zinc rivet]

if Herrerasaurus is restricted to only climbing redwood trees I'll be pissed

[paper oriole]

lol i doubt it will be

[zinc rivet]

that's what kilo seems to be implying to me

[fringe flare]

No but climbing a redwood would be sweet

[zinc rivet]

imma be a junglehopper

also hope more than just Herrera gets tree climbing

jus make Herrera the best for it

Hypsi should get it at least

[paper oriole]

i hope they give hypsi actual climbing and not just stick him with his shitty jump

squirrel hypsi when

[zinc rivet]

not as well as Herrera but it can already jump into em so integrating climbing into it would be great

maybe make it climb allot more slowly since it's got tiny arms not lonky arms

[paper oriole]

maybe it would use its arms mainly to just hold on and be specialized in kicking up, so not as fluid as herrers but still a big improvement over its current build

[zinc rivet]

mhm thats what i was thinkin

[fringe flare]

I'm pretty sure hyping does get climbing.

[zinc rivet]

and Utah can run up trees in it's concept art so it getting that would also be cool af

[paper oriole]

maybe stick him with absurd fall damage resistance too because he's small and extra hairy

utah really doesn't need the momentum climb honestly

it's already super mobile and can get on rock formations that carno can't

i keep wishing they would just save it for velo instead

[zinc rivet]

in terms of climbing dinos u'd get Herrera who's built for it and can live in trees, Hypsi who has it as an option but not a main tool, and Utah jus to add onto it's already enhanced mobility w/o being as adapted specifically for trees as Herrera is

Utah should get a scramble more than a proper climb i think

if you land onto the edge of the surface your animal can try to scramble and haul themselves up

[paper oriole]

yeah though thats not what is shown in its concept

[zinc rivet]

it kinda is

scrambling up the tree

[paper oriole]

its momentum climbing up a tree thats twice the height of carno

[zinc rivet]

yea

thats what i mean by scrambling

using the momentum from landing on the ledge to kick up and try to get higher

[paper oriole]

which is honestly not necessary, if they add it i hope it at least eats up stam like crazy, utahs are very well off the way they are without this ability

[zinc rivet]

yea it def should

they're the cats of Evrima tbh

i normally hate comparing dinosaurs to modern day animals

[paper oriole]

more like the annoying city coyotes

[zinc rivet]

but Utahs share allot in common w/ cats in the wild

both predator and prey at the same time, stalking hunter with latching claws, very curious, very agile, can climb stuff

[paper oriole]

spam barking like coyotes, forming megapacks like coyotes, they're fucking everywhere like coyotes, they have a bad rep like coyotes

sigh if people are gonna troll they should at least put some effort into it <@&401466542140817419>

[edgy harbor]

?

[severe idol]

It's dealt with.

[edgy harbor]

Ok dont repeat it though.

[hoary dawn]

what was

[paper oriole]

low tier profanity trolling, nothing special

also i find it amusing that people think cannibalism debuffs or anything of the like will help against what is mostly just KFS

[hoary dawn]

doesn't matter if they're hungry or not

[paper oriole]

they always kill their own

[honest sparrow]

@honest sparrow

[worn pumice]

would be nice if you put sum effort into grammar too

[paper oriole]

Hey my fat fingers are too much for my keypad

[worn pumice]

buy new key pad

wait even better

buy new fingers

[paper oriole]

Maybe if i take some skin off of them, who needs all that finger meat anyway

[worn pumice]

i still dont know what miragaia means lol

[paper oriole]

It's one of my fav dinos

[worn pumice]

is that a refrence or actually something

ah

[paper oriole]

Basically a big kentro cosplaying as a sauropod

[worn pumice]

ah this thing?

[paper oriole]

Oh god they did him dirty

[worn pumice]

ignore the horrible pw chart

[paper oriole]

Lmao prehistoric wildlife is the absolute worst

[worn pumice]

mira is just a spec into how awful their charts r lol

[cyan flame]

Do you have any good pics of the critter then?

[worn pumice]

like look at spino lmao

[honest sparrow]

Do Galli

Galli is insane

[worn pumice]

nope, only heard of the dino like now

[cyan flame]

Im trying to find some, but there's a bit of variation in what it might look like

[worn pumice]

its like kentro

but hairy?

[paper oriole]

I think the quills are just artistic liberty

[swift dew]

~~probably should take this somwhere that isnt #general-feedback-discussion ~~

[paper oriole]

Probably, what's something in feedback we can talk about ummmmm

[worn pumice]

#balance-feedback-discussion

[paper oriole]

If deinos get a swim speed buff they should get the shit nerfed out if their alt bite

[cyan flame]

They should get the alt bite nerfed anyway :p

[worn pumice]

deinos swim quite fast and they have a speed boost no need to get any swim buffs

also since the map is being completely overhauled again with an actual level designer

i just react with time to most suggestions to the map

[paper oriole]

The bigger rivers and lakes would be a buff in itself honestly

Especially rivers, probably not so much lakes

[worn pumice]

would be nice if deino could only heal on land

[paper oriole]

Yeah its kinda annoying to have deinos act like tough shit on land and then run into the water to heal and be invincible

[worn pumice]

they can heal bleed hp and stam while being untouchable in water

[paper oriole]

Alt bite on land makes them viable to fight with spam biting outside of their biome and they can just run into an invulnerability zone to heal, pretty lame

[worn pumice]

its literally the best dinosaur to play rn

or animal actually

[paper oriole]

Yeah its pretty busted

[worn pumice]

kinda crazy how stego does worse on land then deino lol

[paper oriole]

Deino can run stego down on land even if stego spots it before it reaches the shore

[worn pumice]

although that also has to with how terrible stegos attack is

yea

[paper oriole]

Does stego's swing still utterly destroy its atamina?

[worn pumice]

deinos can basically kill whatever they want

nah

it was apparently a bug

its 5% now

for each swing

[paper oriole]

Oh well at least thats gone

I barely bother with stego anyway but it sucks to see it get shit on so hard by the devs

Easily jukable tail attack and a small health pool compared to its weight while utah gets double the hp as his weight even though stego is sturdily built and utah is a literal chicken build

[worn pumice]

idk if its a coincidence but its kinda funny how almost all carnis in evrima have gotten in either broken op or busted op due to bugs while its the complete opposite for herbis

[paper oriole]

Teno is fine, the rest are bad

And honestly i just feel like the devs dont care much about lost herbis

[worn pumice]

teno was pretty trash at one point

[paper oriole]

They always seemed more interested in carnis and it shows

[worn pumice]

glad its good now

well herbis were planned to not even be playable so

theres that

[paper oriole]

Yeah big oof

[worn pumice]

it was a long time ago but still

[paper oriole]

Upvoting your own suggestion

[pale crest]

Honestly, it's sometimes people's fault for waltzing up to other players of the same species and being too trusting. and I find cannibalism an interesting subject as a lot of dinosaurs at the time likely cannibalized either when resources were scarce or it was actually part of their diet. I believe in the diet update, and I'll be honest, I'll be pretty annoyed if the developers haven't planned to add it, some dinosaurs will likely experience a debuff for eating the same species if they arent programmed to cannibalize.

[paper oriole]

Dinosaurs are birds and reptiles, both of which will willingly eat their own

People love comparing them to major modern mammalian predators who usually target herbivores, but even some mammals like pigs, coyotes and leopards will eat other predators including eachother

[pale crest]

Yeah, but they're usually smaller and worth a bite, or are already being scavenged

[paper oriole]

Or injured, pigs can be merciless

[pale crest]

Very

I just feel it doesn't quite sit right. For some reason

[paper oriole]

As for reptiles and birds, they can also be merciless. Chickens will gang up on an injured flock member sometimes and eat the remains

[pale crest]

-The game itself, not the actual info lol

[paper oriole]

Pretty sure cannibalism is planned to go against most predator diets, but i think it should vary a lot

[pale crest]

Yeah, yeah

Like even if wolves could kill an adult cougar somehow, they don't rlly eat it

[paper oriole]

Yeah some animals are picky

[pale crest]

Or mainly other wolves-

[paper oriole]

Some like leopards dont really care, meat is meat

[pale crest]

Unless they're already dead or potentially smaller

[paper oriole]

Leopards will straight up steal dogs from backyards and eat them

[pale crest]

Idk if this would be fair but I think the young would all definitely be worth a bite

[paper oriole]

Younglings should be open game for most predators i think

[pale crest]

Unlike a good chunk of adults which wouldn't offer a lot of food energy-which is why those animals are picky

[paper oriole]

Eapecially cerato, deino and apexes

[steep swallow]

It would make sense for some animals like carno or deino to cannibalise and not have bad debuffs since they're not that social, but things like utahs would make sense having debuffs since they're very social

Unless in a starving situation

[pale crest]

Or it's young

Tbh they rlly remind me of modern creatures, even though back then it was a lot more primitive

[paper oriole]

Any not particularly social dino should just not get any benefits or debuffs from cannibalism, with a couple getting benefits, and social animals being punished

Some should just not be punished for eating young but be punished for eating adults

[pale crest]

And I say it would make sense for them to have similar behaviors, such as potentially scavenging the corpses of the same species, wolves do it especially on hard times

I can honestly see it in raptors, say they were rllu hungry and in a hunt their own got knocked out

[paper oriole]

Most predators will im hard times

Or maybe all predators

[pale crest]

I don't think it would be too far fetch to be able to get a bit of a non food penalty when you're starving

[paper oriole]

When you’re starving and near death, the penalty is worth it just to survive

[pale crest]

But especially almost all will try to kill eachothers young for competition and the fact that they're practically completely energy

[paper oriole]

But maybe a perk can allow starving preds who dont usually cannibalize able to do it without repercussions below a certain hunger %

[pale crest]

Yeah, yeah and it would be obvious because they haven't eaten and would therefor look sickly

Like how someone once posted that those who've eaten decently would be more vibrant

[paper oriole]

There was an old concept where cannibalistic players would turn albino and it would be a red flag to other players to avoid them

[pale crest]

Pfft I remember some frens mentioning that years ago

Hmm I think if your diet suffices with cannibalism, you could develop a mutation though that would potentially be visual or something even more neutral

If you almost completely went cannibalistic

[limber hull]

@cloud viper sounds a lot like a carno tbh. I like the concept art where he swings his head like a mace

[paper oriole]

pretty sure tar pits are planned or were at least being experimented with

[steady lintel]

well they do already have the assets for them in game on the map

[paper oriole]

There's a spot where you can actually hear lava/tar or whatever yeah, and it was in a testlevel

[ashen wasp]

Tbh I’m fine with the amount of membrane Ptera’s got atm, since we aren’t totally sure what form wings took on a variety of different pterosaurs— I just wish its wingtips were more rounded instead of ending abruptly on the trailing end

As for Pachy, I would LOVE a mountain goat windup to a skull slam, as shown in the concept. A charge would also be welcome

[barren zephyr]

@gritty helm Pterosaurs did not have incredibly big wing membranes

the fossil record shows this

besides the shape also depends on what they are being used for, and pteranodon being a gull-like flier, wide but not too broad wings are good for soaring

[gritty helm]

Does it really matter if they did or didn't have it when being 100% realistic isn't the focus of this game? Lol

[barren zephyr]

The full membrane still looks ugly imo

And it is far too great to be a cosmetic change when it literally hampers with how much lift the wings generate

The Isle's pteranodon wings are fine, and are within theoretical norms for membrane coverage

the only real issue is that the arms are undermuscled

yet again that is also an excuse for it not flying off the island

[barren zephyr]

To specify more, the Primal Carnage ptera has such a "full" membrane because it is highly raptorial in nature. It grabs people and/or smaller animals and then drops them to their death, either deliberately or accidentally.

[gritty helm]

I'm aware of what Primal Carnage's Ptera does and I wasn't suggesting TI's ptera be made to function like it. As I mentioned in that first suggestion there are a plethora of other examples that could've been used it just so happened that PC's ptera render was one of the first ones that came up for me in google and was used to strictly showcase a popular design choice for ptera wings since other forms of dino media use a similar design for Pteranodon

at the end of the day it comes down to preference and opinion which is why it being a customization option was added to the suggestion. that way if you prefer the current design you can just use that (same deal with fuzz)

[restive blade]

what do you guys think would happen if you ate a really bad diet until you got to full then you ate a really good diet again?

would you be permanantly weaker?

[urban flax]

I think nothing will be permanent in the game

[gritty helm]

iirc I'm pretty sure the devs also said they don't want debuffs related to combat to occur with diets. I think the big thing that'll be affected is growth times

[jade schooner]

@restive blade if only (my take on the silhouette of current spino with slight edits)

[restive blade]

that it pretty dope

[outer condor]

Someone please Photoshop the current spino model to have these proportions

[oak tapir]

@barren zephyr About utah pounce , I Agree with a slight kick off , but like a utah should not attack a long ranged animal like a stego

I Feel like The Only animal that would be anti utah packs is stego coincidentally

Maybe stego just too good against Scummy uwutah packs

[hoary dawn]

i mean, a group of smalls taking on what is basically an apex shouldn't be that easy

teach the utahs to go for smaller targets

[covert pagoda]

Well, depending on pack size, they can also hunt Tenotos and Carnotaurs

And each other.

[hoary dawn]

their own 😳

[limber hull]

@odd sedge besides being incredibly good for helping in understanding, your little gifs and anims are the most adorable and aesthetically pleasing things ever and i thank you for going above and beyond for high quality feedback. Also the idea itself is pretty sick too, I'm a big fan

[urban flax]

@rare axle I don't want the lore explanations to be bound behind players searching for it, this is not a MMORPG

[rare axle]

You do that in mmorpg ?

[urban flax]

Some of them, yes

[rare axle]

Sounds fun to me anyway

I don't see a lot of ways to release the lore for this game anyway, do you want them to release a book ?

[urban flax]

In World of Warcraft for example, parts of the lore were revealed (invented) with every update, and were adapted to what the players found

[rare axle]

that's good imo ngl

[urban flax]

I think Dondi is going to write a book of the lore

It might be good for a mmorpg, not for this game

[rare axle]

Your opinion

I disagree

I think it's fun

[urban flax]

Lore should just be cryptic and not tied behind "special events"

[white smelt]

blizzard just killed WoW btw

[urban flax]

Or you can have a lot of clues, but just let devs put them wherever and whenever they want

[rare axle]

To me this is the only interesting way to release lore into the game

if everything would just be dropped like a book

I'd find it boring

The lore always was mysterious and I love it that way

[zinc rivet]

wrong af they just gotta be good at combat and working with other Utahs

the problem is the vast majority are not

[urban flax]

There's games that give you very clear elements of the lore, like skyrim or Horizon Zero Dawn
And I wouldn't say this is a bad way of giving it

[rare axle]

These games have cinematics and stuff

or npcs giving out stories and quests

[urban flax]

I'm talking about books tho

[rare axle]

The isle probably won't so

[zinc rivet]

You just haven't met them yet, coz they exist and holy fuck do they suck to be against

[urban flax]

<@&401466542140817419> I guess

[zinc rivet]

what the actual fuck

[limber hull]

buddy

we play a virtual dinosaur game

we dont care about CS:GO knives

[urban flax]

Sent that in most channels, this is the second one in 3 days
Good thing mods are reactive :)

[twin cedar]

it's always best to tag the mod role rather than wait for us to see the issue when you see something like this. We're volunteers so we can't really watch the discord 100% of the time.

[zinc rivet]

this aint it chief

[urban flax]

What do you mean ?

[odd sedge]

Thank you so much, pal!
I had a lot of fun doing it and I think it comes to attacks or mechanics, some visuals to explain the idea in action are the best way to get the point across

[zinc rivet]

they're volunteering people w/ lives, they can't be skimming every single chat all the time for any slight issue to stop it on that spot

that's why you can tag the role

[limber hull]

i wish i could've drawn like you in my game design days lmao

would've helped me get my point across

[urban flax]

Ok but I did tag the role, you know

[zinc rivet]

so why say this then

[urban flax]

I was answering to wavepoole and thatonedryodude

[zinc rivet]

oh, to me it came off like you were being sarcastic

my bad

[urban flax]

@clever arch Do you mean limited slots depending of the dino's diet ?

[clever arch]

Yes

[urban flax]

You know this system is wrong in a ton of ways

[clever arch]

How?

[urban flax]

This is forcing players to play something they don't want to
It's like progression, but you don't even unlocked something you want to play afterwards

[clever arch]

If something like this isn't implemented though, it will be just like legacy is and was...

Carnivores everywhere

No herbivores

[honest sparrow]

People still play herbis

[urban flax]

No, because we're getting AI

[clever arch]

You can only have so much AI before it gets boring.

[urban flax]

If you implement this kind of system, you won't have 50 carnis and 100 herbis per server, you'll just have half-empty servers with only 50 carnis

[odd sedge]

How would it work tho?
Imagine you are playing as an omnivore but when you log in there are already 50 of them online. Will your dinosaur just... poof out of existence?

[urban flax]

That's why there is also players

[honest sparrow]

Player freedom>>>>>>>>> muh ratio

[clever arch]

No icky, the server would save your progress.

[molten tulip]

That wouldn't solve anything though, thered still be way fewer herbivores, people would just see the carnivore slots are full and leave to a different server

[urban flax]

So you're also getting slots

Which is also a flawed mechanic

[honest sparrow]

Imagine trying to log onto a server you really like that has a decent amount of space, and then you can’t play because 50 other carnis logged on before you

[clever arch]

So. Go to another server.

If you want to play badly enough

[zinc rivet]

@clever arch AI will create a set constant varied ecosystem so the slot thing is worthless, and imo it's just kinda bad

[urban flax]

So you're suggesting a mechanic to balance the ecosystem, then you just say "go to another server"
You're explaining how it won't work yourself

[zinc rivet]

Herds of Tenontosaurus, random lone Stegos, flocks of Dryos and Gallis, a pack of Utahs, a Carno or two, all the playables like that will be present so the ecosystem is constantly balanced to some extant

[clever arch]

Bub, I'm saying that it would stop servers from being overrun by carnivores.

[urban flax]

They will just be empty

[zinc rivet]

No more relying entirely on the other players when we get the new AI

[honest sparrow]

Servers will always be overrun by carnivores

[molten tulip]

It would still be overrun by carnivores because it wouldn't incentivize people to play the 100 herbivore slots

[clever arch]

And also remember that half of the AI is also going to carnivore as well.

[honest sparrow]

Because most people will just enjoy their gameplay more

[urban flax]

Not half of it

[zinc rivet]

and when we get allot more playables im sure it wont be just Carno Raptors and Crocs. Probably many herbivore players I'd imagine

not half lmao

[urban flax]

Because AI is supposed to make for an ecosystem

[clever arch]

Yes half

[zinc rivet]

do you have a source then?

[urban flax]

Where did you get that info from ?

[clever arch]

It was the stream where dondi was messing with rex AI.

[urban flax]

From my understanding, about 10% of AI will be carnivore, so players can play whatever they want without breaking the ecosystem nor being free all the timle

So Dondi said 50% of the AI population will be carnivore ?

[clever arch]

Yes.

[zinc rivet]

doubt

[honest sparrow]

I don’t remember him saying that

[clever arch]

But think about it, if there we're slots, it would mean that servers could choose the party rate of certain dinos.

[urban flax]

And ?

[zinc rivet]

and then people only pick the carni slots and go to different servers only picking their slots

and people wont wanna play herbi when they know exactly how many carnis there are

[urban flax]

If a mechanic is not useful for officials, it has no reason to be implemented.

[clever arch]

It would help solve the carnivore cannibalism problem.

[zinc rivet]

it literally would not

it doesnt do anything for that

and the solution to not getting cannibalized? go somewhere else

[honest sparrow]

How would it stop cannibalism lmao

[zinc rivet]

from what i see, most people who get cannibalized leave themselves exposed or hang in very popular parts of the map

[clever arch]

If there are less carnivores on a server, it's less likely players will run into carnivores.

[zinc rivet]

there is SO MUCH MAP to stay away from others

[urban flax]

So they will starve

Sure this looks better than cannibalism

[zinc rivet]

no they'll cannibalize even worse then

coz people arent playin herbi at all

[urban flax]

You know what will really solve cannibalism ?
More species.

[honest sparrow]

Also if there’s however many slots, if you do run into another member of your species, they’ll kill their own so their friends can get in

[urban flax]

If a cerato eats a carno, that's not cannibalism

[clever arch]

Carnivores won't starve because it will be likely they'll run into herbivores

[zinc rivet]

more species and more ai

[urban flax]

If a rex eats and allo, that's not cannibalism either

[honest sparrow]

^

[urban flax]

What herbivores ?

[zinc rivet]

predators can also very much be prey

Utahraptor is a good example

[clever arch]

The 100 count. Or more

[urban flax]

Can't you understand people won't fill those slots ?

[honest sparrow]

The ratio of people who play carnivore and herbivores won’t change

It’ll just spread out due to lack of slots

[clever arch]

Um actually lots of people will fill the slots.

[zinc rivet]

you can't know that

[urban flax]

Yes, because people already love to play herbivore currently, as we can see by the dryo overpopulation

[clever arch]

I'm saying this because now there will be more herbivores to play.

[zinc rivet]

your solution hasnt added anymore herbivores at all

[clever arch]

Legacy was limited in herbivore gameplay

[urban flax]

That doesn't change the fact that if someoen doesn't like herbivore gameplay, they won't play herbivore

[odd sedge]

Nah people will rather leave the server and play somewhere else

[clever arch]

That's the players opinion. If they want to play carnivore, they can go onto another server.

[urban flax]

Herbivore gameplay is limited in its essence
Most people find their amusement in the thrill of the hunt, which is normal because we are human beings
Herbivores don't have that thrill

[clever arch]

Herbivores have a different thrill. The survival of being hunted.

[urban flax]

Carnivores do too

[zinc rivet]

so you agree your idea does absolutely nothing to solve anything

[clever arch]

No

[urban flax]

There is just less to herbivores than there is to carnivores
I feel that devs are already trying too hard to make herbivore gameplay enjoyable

[zinc rivet]

too hard?

i love what they're doing w/ em

i wanna keep seeing more of it

they feel like they're getting just as much love as the carnis

[urban flax]

Yes, it's good that herbivore gameplay has something cool to it

But it looks like they're desperately trying to have enough players to play herbivores so that the ecosystem will work
But that will likely never happen

Teno is the funniest playable in the game, yet you barely see any

[zinc rivet]

mmmmmm

idk about trying that hard

definitely encouraging it

which i find good

[urban flax]

Well maybe I'm exxagerrating. If they judge their effort in making herbivores enjoyable is calculated, that's fine

[zinc rivet]

but they know they cant keep players away from carnivore and i doubt theyd even want that, so the AI ecosystem is the safety-net

[urban flax]

But I wouldn't want them to go crazy on trying to make them more than what they are

[zinc rivet]

i dont think they are