general-feedback-discussion

[valid elk]

@sonic mural Like the idea, but Pachy is Utahraptor sized, not Troodon sized.

[desert tendon]

i want a skin for pteranodon that turns it into a tropeognathus or an ichthyornis

[sonic mural]

Oh ok ima edit that out

[valid elk]

Otherwise, great idea.

[left nacelle]

I feel like both of those animals are too different from ptera to be a skin

Maybe not tropeo

[desert tendon]

or a skin that turns quetz into a Hatzegopterix

[desert tendon]

tropeo is about the same size as a pteranodon

[left nacelle]

I feel like that quetz one has been mentioned before. It probably a pretty likely addition

[desert tendon]

and it did fish so idk

[left nacelle]

Yeah when I said "maybe not" I meant it as in "maybe it's not too different"

[swift dew]

that wont work, since a quetz neck is MUCH longer than a hatz neck meaning your actual hitbox would be a decent ways further than your actual head

[desert tendon]

ah

[desert tendon]

they can tweak it a little...

idk m8

i want a sarco skin for deino

[sonic mural]

Lmao

[left nacelle]

Sarco skin for deino would be neat. My only issue with it is that sarcos were essentially giant gharials, they didn't have much of a bite force compared to other crocs, they ate mostly fish, and if they're like modern gharials, they couldn't deathroll

[desert tendon]

fair enough

though there is a lot of innaccurate stuff in the isle

[left nacelle]

Sarco looks similar, but I don't think it's very similar

[desert tendon]

it wouldnt be a huge deal

for example beipi wasnt a swimmer irl

[left nacelle]

Yeah I wouldn't complain too much if they did add a sarco skin

[desert tendon]

and hypsi burrowed instead of climbed

[left nacelle]

Well beipi did eat fish irl so that isn't far off from real life

[desert tendon]

i guess

[left nacelle]

But as I always say, the animals in The Isle aren't actual dinosaurs anyway, according to the lore. They're human made creatures who're loosely based on irl dinosaurs, so the devs can do anything they want and it isn't really inaccurate

[desert tendon]

yeah

[radiant dagger]

Sorry for My bad english.
I guess the developers prefer to add predators with different hunting styles. what do you suggest

[swift dew]

well yeah, it doesn't really make sense to add something that will play the exact same way as something else

[radiant dagger]

I hope it will be modified that the rex does not recover stamina by walking. at least a little but slowly

[desert tendon]

i want an iguanodon skin for a teno or a maia

teno might be a little too small and or the tail is too large

actually maia might make more sense

[valid elk]

Iguanodon is two tons heavier than Maia, and four tons more than Tenonto.

Or...was it 3 tons for Maia?

[swift dew]

maia weighs about 3 tons

but iguanodon is more like para size

[valid elk]

Iguanodon is a massive lad.

Which is why I find it funny when people call Iggy a Tenonto clone, when Iguanodon is literally 5 times heavier and has a different dietary need.

[desert tendon]

maybe a para skin then

[swift dew]

I would honestly like to see iggy come in after 1.0. (i know its not going to happen just let me dream )

[valid elk]

Mods will exist, why not

Also, does anyone wanna add onto my thoughts, or do you dudes/dudettes think I summed it up with the design talk?

[desert tendon]

i agree with you pretty much to the T. I just want my austro to have arm and tail feathers.

[valid elk]

Agreed.

[tawny juniper]

This will not be common, Unlesss your are a smaller creature i.e. troodon. To do this kind of thing to like an allo though the people are going to have to have special guns, special ammo, and they better have some good aim

[covert pagoda]

I just hate the Idea.

[urban flax]

I doubt this is ever gonna happen

Dinos likely won't die in a single headshot, even small ones

And humans won't have a lot of long-range weapons, if any

[left nacelle]

@hard tiger In the future going down a steep slope will cause you to start sliding, and if you keep sliding for too long, you will go into a tumbling animation. This was said before evrima came out, but it isn't in the game yet. I assume it's still planned

[hard tiger]

ooohhh alright, thanks for clearing that up :)

[left nacelle]

Np

[ashen wasp]

“Carno is a Rugops clone”

[urban flax]

Quetz is a ptera clone

@cloud viper While shouldn't Troodon have a pounce ?

[cloud viper]

making it different but does not need to be added

[urban flax]

It doesn't need to be different in that way
It's a raptor, it needs to make use of that big toe claw somehow

[cloud viper]

Oh i forgot that it had a toe claw tbh

[urban flax]

In my opinion, it's the exact opposite. Raptors should have some unifying mechanic, which is the pounce. They might all use it differently, but that's what makes them raptors.

[glossy matrix]

what?

[cloud viper]

But i don't think troodon should have a pounce cuz of its venom

[glossy matrix]

Troodon isn't even a real genus let alone a raptor

[left nacelle]

I feel like giving all raptors pounce would make utah less unique. Plus I don't see why Austro needs a pounce, it's meant to be fishing

And troodon has enough abilities as it is

[valid elk]

Austroraptor has legs powerful enough to kill black bear sized animals. It can pounce if it wants.

[urban flax]

Raptors isn't a genus either, it's a denomination to identify small predatory bipedal dinosaurs with a large toe claw

[valid elk]

Utahraptor is six feet tall.

[urban flax]

I mean raptors aren't a scientific name

[urban flax]

And as such, it marks the biggest possible size for a raptor

[glossy matrix]

raptors is a lay term for Dromaeosauridae

[left nacelle]

Just because it's strong enough to do a certain thing, doesn't mean it should

[valid elk]

Also, it still has the shoulder range for RPR

[left nacelle]

But in The Isle, it's meant to be a fisher. We're not talking about irl

[glossy matrix]

IRL it is also a fisher lmfao

[valid elk]

Irl it fished too.

[left nacelle]

irl Austro is a different animal from The Isle austro

[urban flax]

Austro could have a pounce that also serves to jump in water and catch fish

[glossy matrix]

Bears are fishers, doesnt mean they have to be weak spindly pieces of shit

[cloud viper]

If it did pounce then austro would be used differently

[left nacelle]

Okay but just cause it pounced things and fished irl, doesn't mean it needs to do that in The Isle. It should have something more unique

[valid elk]

Like...diving?

[left nacelle]

No, like a different ability. Austro's already getting diving

[glossy matrix]

What else in the isle does both

[valid elk]

I mean, could just give it kicks that one shots smaller animals and seriously injures animals like Utahraptor.

[glossy matrix]

^

[valid elk]

Curse you big thumbs

[sonic mural]

Lol

[left nacelle]

Well Bary and Sucho are both likely going to be fishing nad hunting land animals so there's that. Giving Austro a pounce just makes it seem a like a smaller utah that can also swim

[glossy matrix]

They aren't pouncing LMAO

[valid elk]

It stands eye to eye with Utahraptor.

[left nacelle]

I didn't say they are

[glossy matrix]

"What else in the isle does both"

[left nacelle]

Yeah it stands eye to eye with utah but it's lighter

My point is Bary and Sucho already hunt land animals, giving Austro a pounce doesn't make it more unique

[glossy matrix]

Allo already hunts land animals too, so we should remove utah's ability to do that

[left nacelle]

????

[valid elk]

A semiaquatic hunter that can pounce and deliver hard kicks? Sounds pretty unique.

[left nacelle]

You're completely missing my point

[glossy matrix]

make utah a herbivore

[sonic mural]

Lmao

[glossy matrix]

more unique you guys

[sonic mural]

[left nacelle]

Austro is already pretty unique, being a dromaeosaur that swims and eats fish. It should be given an ability that goes along with that trait

[sonic mural]

Diving

[glossy matrix]

like pouncing?

its a dromaeosaurid

dromaeosaurids pounce

[left nacelle]

Austro's already getting diving

[sonic mural]

Good lol

[left nacelle]

But what does that have to do with fishing

[glossy matrix]

why should it

Austro fishes but it shouldnt eat 100% fish

[left nacelle]

I literally just said why. Making all dromaeosaurs pounce just ruins the uniqueness

[honest sparrow]

why not give austro a "water pounce" that allows it to drag and waste stamina of things in water (drowning it in the process), allowing it to take down larger things in water in a different way than utah does on land

[urban flax]

Not if they all have a different pounce

[left nacelle]

See this sounds a bit better

[glossy matrix]

ok and

[urban flax]

That's literally deino's lunge tho

[glossy matrix]

lmao

[sonic mural]

True

[left nacelle]

Oh yeah, you're right. It could be made a bit different tho

[glossy matrix]

so could a regular pounce

[urban flax]

I don't think Austro should drag things to water either, it's not an aquatic creature that hunts on land, it's a terrestrial creature that hunts in water

[sonic mural]

I can see why they would make a troodon would pounce tho

Austro not as much tbh

[left nacelle]

I can see troodon pounce being a thing. I personally think it has enough abilities as is tho

[urban flax]

I think Austro could get a pounce that allow it to pin little things, but not latch onto big ones, so it can body beipis and small deinos and minmis efficiently, without being able to take on huge things like utah does

[glossy matrix]

yeah

[left nacelle]

Oh yeah, I like that

[sonic mural]

Stole my feedback lmao

[cloud viper]

Deino lunges to grab prey troodon lunges to sting/bite prey

[honest sparrow]

yeah that works

[sonic mural]

Sting?

[left nacelle]

That was referring to austro

[cloud viper]

Oh sry i didn't seethat, was looking att seagull babies

[sonic mural]

Seagulls are demons

[honest sparrow]

^

[left nacelle]

Actually they're birds

[cloud viper]

Babies are so fluffy and cute tho

[sonic mural]

Until another seagull eats them😂

[cloud viper]

Oh well actually a cat was stalking them

[left nacelle]

@ashen wasp Allo's getting an ability like that

I doubt it'll eat them alive tho

[cloud viper]

I think they said Rex also could do that too

[left nacelle]

Oh really? I don't remember hearing that

[cloud viper]

I think it was punchpaket a while back

[left nacelle]

Huh. Lemme see if I can find it

[cloud viper]

It is either punch or dondi i can't remember

[sonic mural]

@barren zephyr deino belongs in the water it shouldn’t get infected for that even if it ran away from a fight

[left nacelle]

I did find a message from Punch saying "we do intend to make use of those strong jaws" referring to rex

[cloud viper]

I can't find it either it was a while ago i saw it

[swift dew]

injection is a bad idea with a game like this, especially if the only remedy is other player/ai

[cloud viper]

Like 4 months ago but long

[barren zephyr]

yea but think how much muck gunk and stuff is in there. gators get infections irl so it kinda makes sense

[swift dew]

not to mention they suggested it as rng

[barren zephyr]

also stuff on other dinos teeth

[ashen wasp]

The infection thing and Egyptian Plovers cleaning crocodiles’ teeth has been debunked

[barren zephyr]

damn

the one idea that i genuanly thaught was a good idea gets debunked

[ashen wasp]

Well it’s been debunked for years

[barren zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/reee-pepe-frog-angry-angery-gif-18421495

[urban flax]

If there's infections, there's no reason that only deinos have them.

[sonic mural]

Lmao

[urban flax]

It's the opposite, they should be the most resistant to infections

[cloud viper]

Well infections would be cool but it would just be a Pain in the ass

[sonic mural]

Yea almost everytime someone thinks they have a good idea a few ppl not gonna like it

[barren zephyr]

well i hope u wouldnt get an infection there

[sonic mural]

It’s hard asl trying to pounce juvi deinos when there on land tho

[ashen wasp]

I do like mutualism as an idea, though. Maybe parasites attach to your playable after frequently walking through certain foliage, prompting involuntary idle scratching, and you can mitigate it by preening, or being manually cleaned by player or AI... Orodromeus, or Compsognathus, or something.

[urban flax]

Now I'm thinking there could be a way to implement infections in a good way
They could be tied to locked health
Basically, after a fight, the amount of locked health you have is the severity of your infection, and depending on your actions, it might increase or decrease

And you got some ways to get rid of the infection (locked health) easier

[barren zephyr]

like leaches

[cloud viper]

I think it should be injuries instead of that

[cloud viper]

Injuries

[urban flax]

Well injuries is your missing health

[cloud viper]

Like scars that would make your health not be max but over time it will heal

[barren zephyr]

wait arent they adding better gore and stuff?

[cloud viper]

Yes

[barren zephyr]

would the scars heal and still be scars. like scar tissue or would they just go

[cloud viper]

Would make it harder to kos a lot of people

[urban flax]

That's the current system and I think it's fine, I was just thinking of a way to make infections exist in a non-annoying way
Well not as annoying as some people suggested

[valid elk]

I'd like animals that pick stuff out of dinosaur teeth, but that's it.

[barren zephyr]

^^

[urban flax]

That's pretty useless imo

[barren zephyr]

yea i was mostly just thinking of gators getting there mouths cleaned n stuff

[urban flax]

Dinosaurs aren't crocs

[valid elk]

No infection system, just something cool.

[barren zephyr]

yea but its a cool detail

[urban flax]

Not on dinosaurs
There is a reason I'm never playing deino, crocs are lame
And I don't want my bird to look like a croc

[ashen wasp]

Id like mutualistic parasite removal to apply some sort of buff to the animal being cleaned

[barren zephyr]

what if like there was a cleaning dino. so if u got a parasite like a tick from running though long grass some player could come eat it off u

[urban flax]

What iif you haven't got someone to clean your parasites off ?

[sonic mural]

Death

[urban flax]

And as I said many times, buffs from being cleaned off parasites is quite a bad idea in my opinion

Ticks can't parasite dinos

[barren zephyr]

yea buffs wouldent be a good idea cus ppl would intentionally get themselvs infected just to get buffed

[urban flax]

That's one of the problems

[oak tapir]

I Agree, it should lunge and inject venom , because the only reason i think it's not getting a pounce is because it will make Utah and troodon not unique

[barren zephyr]

also why would u get a buff after being sick. thats like me getting super strong after haveing a cold

[oak tapir]

I Think velo should 100% get a pounce tho

[urban flax]

Lunge is just a pounce without going off the ground

[barren zephyr]

forbiden fact

[cloud viper]

Ye

[barren zephyr]

raptor player = cringe

[urban flax]

[oak tapir]

Queen when the hell will u die

[barren zephyr]

i was here before the dinosaurs and imma be here after humans

[oak tapir]

This isn't gonna age well

trust me

[cloud viper]

Actually how old is she?

[barren zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-and-ok-and-caption-trade-gif-21164436

[barren zephyr]

like 90 smt

[trim vector]

she's 95 isn't she

[cloud viper]

That is not that old she will probably die in 5-15 years if she is lucky

[trim vector]

Well most likely

[cloud viper]

Sadly yeah

[trim vector]

The doughnut of life

[urban flax]

You should stop talking off-topic before a mod comes though

[ashen wasp]

AI, or just manual preening. Also, why would ticks not be able to parasitize dinosaurs??

[cloud viper]

Oh yeah this is the isle

[urban flax]

Cause of the scales

[ashen wasp]

Plenty of playables simply have skin

[urban flax]

Which ones ?

[ashen wasp]

Or feathers

[urban flax]

And what do dinos have under their feathers ?

[ashen wasp]

Well, Utahraptor, for one

[ashen wasp]

Skin

[cloud viper]

I hope legacy shuts soon so more people come to evrima

[urban flax]

Utahraptor has scales

[ashen wasp]

Aside from the scutes on its feet, where??

[low canopy]

i do hope that legacy wont shut down any time soon so people wont feel forced to play lacking game

[urban flax]

Well everywhere

[honest sparrow]

I mean they do play the isle

[ashen wasp]

Looks like skin to me, my guy

[cloud viper]

Tbh i have fun on evrima it is just diets and nesting that will make evrima a bit better than legacy

[ashen wasp]

Dryosaurus, Pteranodon, Hypsilophodon— and these are just the current playables

[low canopy]

i want to enjoy evrima but its really damn hard when megapacking is the meta due to lack of rule servers

[cloud viper]

Well tbh evrimas roster rn is just bad it is like 5 playables people play but only 3 that are popular

[cloud viper]

I can't get back into legacy cuz of the bad combat system and bad movement

That is where evrima is so good at in my opinion

[ashen wasp]

I still think parasites are a neat idea, especially if they don’t significantly hinder gameplay— just an occasional scratching animation with a screen effect to indicate irritation. Conversely, having them removed by another player can apply a buff— or you can preen yourself, roll in mud or dust, etc to temporarily alleviate the bugs

[urban flax]

Why would you get a buff from getting parasites ?

[ashen wasp]

Getting them removed

[cloud viper]

I would want like a small buff that is not for combat but instead stam, food or water

[urban flax]

You need to have them in the first place to get them removed

Getting a buff for getting parasites then getting rid of them seems just dumb

[ashen wasp]

I mean, you can keep your parasites if you want

[urban flax]

that's not the issue

[cloud viper]

Like an increase on how much food you can carry or how much stam you have

[urban flax]

What's the link between parasites and the amount of food you can have ?

[ashen wasp]

Figured it would work the same way the proposed affinity system would, where players are rewarded for acting in certain ways

[urban flax]

Then players would be rewarded for getting parasites

[swift dew]

first of all, people will just try and get themselves parasites in order to get the buffs, and NOTHING should buff stamina since pretty much everything is tied to stamina

[ashen wasp]

Getting parasites would be nearly unavoidable anyways, hence why players are given a multitude of ways to deal with them themselves

[cloud viper]

Well it could be just random so that doesn't happen

[urban flax]

Random is bad

[swift dew]

well that that is rng and rng is VERY bad in a game where death means loss of (almost) all progress

[zinc moss]

ptera are awful to play

[cloud viper]

No

[urban flax]

Because you can't kill things ?

[ashen wasp]

Ptera’s easy mode, what do you mean??

[cloud viper]

They are my favs

[zinc moss]

no because no stamina

[urban flax]

Try to wait until adult then

[cloud viper]

Once you get used to it you fly a long distance and also adults have More stam

[swift dew]

you easilly have enough stamina to fly from one side of the map to the other, even without a high place to jump off. you just have to manage it properly

[ashen wasp]

There are ways to conserve your stamina, but when you’re young you just have to be more mindful of it

[zinc moss]

yes... but when you young..

[zinc moss]

this is hard !

[ashen wasp]

You basically don’t need to move when you’re young, anyways

[swift dew]

well when you are young that is different because you are young. you aren't supposed to be as good as the adult as a juvenile

[cloud viper]

Baby birds don't fly for a kilometer or 2

[ashen wasp]

It’s like fifteen minutes of stamina being a precious resource and then the entire map is completely opened up

[cloud viper]

Only when they are adults and old enough

[ashen wasp]

Well, they fly as juveniles— which is exactly what you spawn as

[swift dew]

also let me remind everyone that the section of map we have is about 5x5 km, and that ptera adults CAN fly across the whole thing if they manage stamina well

[cloud viper]

I hope they make quetzal be able to soar across the map in one flight

[ashen wasp]

Yo, once thermals are added Ptera’s gonna be even easier to play

[cloud viper]

The bigger map

[swift dew]

yeah, the full map is 20x20km so you should be able to get to any other popular location from any other popular location

[cloud viper]

Thermal to a flying creature is to good

[zinc moss]

does it big? for me it seems enormus

[swift dew]

[cloud viper]

Thermal should be for like a hypo/mutated dino to make them spookier

[urban flax]

Uh, thermals are air currents that allows flyers to ascend without wasting their stamina

[cloud viper]

Oh

Well I'm stupid

[swift dew]

I mean, the whole isla spiro is 20x20km, so the area we have now is about 5x5 km

[cloud viper]

I have never heard them be called thermals in my life

[ashen wasp]

Oh, you thought I meant thermal VISION

[cloud viper]

Yes

[swift dew]

sorry 10x10km, im an idiot

[cloud viper]

Isla spero is bigger isn't it?

Talking about spero not spiro

[swift dew]

spiro has more land area, but spero has multiple islands along with the big gulf separating much of the main island so it might feel bigger

[cloud viper]

I hate the Name difference

[swift dew]

same

[ashen wasp]

Who’s excited for Islas Sporo, Sparo, Spuro and Spyro

[cloud viper]

Aquatics will be useless on spiro if they don't make a big lake that leads to the ocean. But diets may change that

[swift dew]

can't forget thenyaw, thenyew, thenyow, thenyuw, thenyiw, and thenyyw

[vale pawn]

space

VeeThree

[cloud viper]

Wait we basically made this chat for the is le dicussion for a bit

[muted widget]

Is the startup crash bug fixed?

[oak tapir]

@carmine cargo you said " Please, please take the gore update as an opportunity to overhaul wound textures. Currently they are A W F UL"

Fillipe is working on them rn , he said it in dev blog

Because NGl i agree they are AWFUL , At 90% health and 10% health same scars

[urban flax]

<@&401466542140817419> Troll suggestion in #general-feedback .

[wild verge]

wait is that not allowed

oops thats not allowed my bad

[edgy harbor]

No it's not. Thanks for removing.

[severe idol]

Nope, we ban for it.

[wild verge]

o

[severe idol]

Should be pretty obvious honestly. lol

[wild verge]

i mean ive seen some downright actual weird suggestions so i figured itd be fine so my bad lol

[urban flax]

@obsidian lily Everything you see is planned for the base game, there is no confirmed dlc yet
Also, wrong channel

[obsidian lily]

Thats awesome :) I'm new to the game as a whole not just envirma

[valid elk]

I got confused when you tagged me

I was like "Huh?"

[severe idol]

I removed your message, @obsidian lily, but you got your answer here.

[valid elk]

Zod, what do you think of my opinion?

Was I too aggressive or anything?

[severe idol]

I don't think about people's opinions usually.

Want me to read your feedback?

[valid elk]

Yes please.

[severe idol]

I'm not sure what you're asking for with it.

[valid elk]

I guess I just want Austroraptors re-redesign to follow Deinocheirus line instead of the heron route

Where there are liberties taken, but you can tell what the animal is

[severe idol]

It strikes me as the difference in bears and lions. Products of their environment.

[icy lion]

conceptually deinocheirus, bary, and quetz have been far closer to the real animal but still have that isle flair

whereas austroraptor is.... an alien

lol

its head is about as long as its torso

[valid elk]

Yeah, Lunary gets it.

[icy lion]

dart's suggestion is about overall design philosophy, and asking for the type of stylization weve seen on the aforementioned 3 applied to austroraptor

[valid elk]

Yes!

I wasn't too aggressive, was I?

[icy lion]

no, definitely not

[valid elk]

Oh thank goodness.

[obsidian lily]

@severe idol okay no problem thanks :)

[quiet estuary]

@oak tapir I think a far better idea for small semi aquatics would be aquiatic biomes with much more tight spaces that dont allow older deinos into the deeper areas such as mangrove swamps
Instead of a clear pond which would just be camped as a spot safe from deinos as the current shallow river is

[oak tapir]

Ah ok

[barren zephyr]

Wait werent humans getting added to Evirma?

[vast wolf]

humans have been planned since the games begining.

[barren zephyr]

Pog

Humans were in the game once, they weren’t in for very long though.

[paper oriole]

Hypsi doesnt need burrowing

[swift dew]

neither does dryo

[paper oriole]

Dryo could modify burrows imo but definitely not make them

[swift dew]

^^^

[paper oriole]

lol does this person really want velo crafting tribal spike pit traps

[digital plank]

idk I think that it would be interesting in the game

y'know something different

[swift dew]

burrows should be in the game, but for the 4 animals that actually need them

not dryo

[paper oriole]

Just feels a bit stretched

[swift dew]

oh, the velo thing

[paper oriole]

Yeah

[digital plank]

I guess

[swift dew]

im too smart for this world

[paper oriole]

lol

Dryo should have his dodge expanded on and fixed up, he doesnt need to make burrows if he has masterful agility and good speed

[swift dew]

^^^

[digital plank]

I got the inspiration from this https://sites.google.com/site/worldofserina/the-ultimocene-250-million-years/unassumingly-brilliant-meet-the-gravedigger spoilers if you're reading this already (the animal that makes these traps is very intelligent which I don't think velo should be but it could be somewhat intelligent)

[paper oriole]

He could also have good nightvision but theres multiple herbs who could have that if he doesnt get it

[steep warren]

dodge is really not that use full rn it needs a big buff and lots of fixing

[paper oriole]

Yeah the dodge rn is trash

And i know some birds are extremely smart (corvids especially) but it just feels a bit out of place for a dino to be crafting spike pit traps

Or any relatively complex trap for that matter

[digital plank]

that makes sense and I agree but there are a lot of fictional stuff in the isle like the jp3 inspired spino so I didn't think it was that strange and I think it would make the game more interesting for smaller animals

[paper oriole]

It would feel weird for a velo to dig a suitably sized hole (already getting weird), gather stakes (where would he get sharpened stakes?) and then stick them in the bottom of the pit and cover it. The spino is stupid as hell looking but it's just a mutant, it's just his anatomy that’s screwed up and the design is so overused it just flows, as boring as it is

[digital plank]

that's fair. I still think that the traps would be cool but I respect anyone not finding them interesting

[keen willow]

@clever thistle That's the plan for diets, with certain carnis getting debuffs, so we're waiting on update 4.

[clever thistle]

that's in a couple months

[paper oriole]

Oh well

Too many raptors anyway let them eat eachother some times

[swift dew]

eh, I can see it coming sooner

[desert tendon]

@runic sequoia Dryo is confirmed to be able to burrow again

also hypsi is going to be a tree climber

not a burrower

i even asked filipe about this the other day and he confirmed both of these things

[lone kite]

dryo gets bodyed by litterally every carnivore in the game and i dont see that changeing so burrowing for dryo is kinda a nessesity + dinos will be able to invade burrows makeing dryos not toltally invincible like they used to

[steep warren]

agreed

[lone kite]

now i may persay "main" dryo but id be foolish to not admit i get bodyed by every player than knows how to hunt

[desert tendon]

yes

also the fact that dryo is going to get burrow doesnt make it have less juke potential

[glossy matrix]

Utah being faster moment

[desert tendon]

its not like burrowing is taking away its juke poweres

[icy lion]

not any more

dryos faster by a few kmph

[glossy matrix]

Damn

[lone kite]

yea dryos faster so he stands a chance agence preditors

[glossy matrix]

Still should get burrowing tho lol

[lone kite]

dryos main preditor odly enouph is carno

[glossy matrix]

I mean

Carno is meant to eat small things

[lone kite]

also dryo now gives a good amount of food makeing him worth hunting

[desert tendon]

Dryo burrowing does not take away your agility or juke potential. Dryo is still going to be mega fast and maneuverable. However, the dinosaur is boring, doesnt have any flashy abilities, and is only capable of attacking small crap. Right now dryo can basically just run, eat and drink and do nothing else. Burrowing will add some cool game play to this uninteresting dinosaur, and it will give it something to do

[desert tendon]

and yeah dryo is actually a big target for predators so it can use any protection it can get

Even if dryo burrowing isnt a necessity for it to be viable, it is a necessity for it to be interesting and more enjoyable.

[lone kite]

yea and if it can modify its burrows it would be very cash money

btw little do pple know but for such a fast growing dino center is a perfict place to grow a dryo

[desert tendon]

i dont think they would add the ability to modify burrows and make its own

they would most likely pick one or the other

also i dont understand why people are ok with it being a burrow stealer and burrow modifier, but those same people are against it making its own burrow

[lone kite]

im not for burrow stealing but im down for burrow modifying but maybe add a room limit

[desert tendon]

Burrow stealing and burrow making present the exact same reasons for burrow haters to hate them. Yet they still like modifying and stealing them more

[desert tendon]

that would be cool

I just dont understand why people are angry about dryo burrowing. They claim it should be the "agility king" but burrowing isnt taking away it's agility. They also claim that other creatures need burrowing more than dryo. And i agree with that, however dryo burrowing does not take away burrowing from other creatures so i dont see a problem

[lone kite]

yea i think there salty cause they cant seem to catch a dryo

a good dryo player doesnt get killed unless hes board of dryo

or is ambushed

[desert tendon]

either that or they ARE a dryo main. For some reason some dryo players are against dryo burrowing for no reason. and im like

[quiet estuary]

Its because dryo doesnt need it for survival

And there is an overabundance of animals who burrow

[lone kite]

no theres really not

[quiet estuary]

We have what
Minmi proto ava homalo dryo

and taco

[desert tendon]

i would like to refer you to this

[quiet estuary]

oro possibly depending on how they wish to make it not a hypsi clone, if they add it at all that is

[lone kite]

Taco and dryo are the only ones ik are getting it most likly and dryo is confermed

[desert tendon]

this

[desert tendon]

dryo is confirmed i asked filipe. Taco is as well, minimi and homalo are as well in their concept art

idk about ava

[quiet estuary]

More enjoyable no, that is subjective and can also be accomplished with other mechanics
More intereting yes, as currently it is a bootleg galli with a useless dodge mechanic

Ava was said to get "warthog burrowing" iirc

[desert tendon]

ah

[lone kite]

also digging pple up would be cool and scary

[quiet estuary]

yes, but digging people up should be applicable to more than just dryo

[lone kite]

yea ik

i wouldnt give it to dryo at all

or any herb for that matter

[quiet estuary]

Why not

[desert tendon]

i feel like if dryo is gonna burrow it shouldnt be able to dig others up and it shouldnt be able to modify non dryo burrows

[lone kite]

no reason to dig it up

[quiet estuary]

what do you mean

YOu have plenty of reason

[lone kite]

why would a burrowing dino need to dig up a burrow

[quiet estuary]

A: take the burrow for yourself
B: kill the thing in the burrow which was eating the surrounding plants

[lone kite]

more for a herb

burrow steeling is big dumb

[quiet estuary]

Why

[lone kite]

its the samething a burrowing

[quiet estuary]

No not really

as it provides unique interactions between differnet playables

You as lets say a velo instead of killing that homalo would follow it to its burrow, then take the burrow for yourself as you cannot make it for example

This doesnt need to apply purely to carnivores as well

You can give this to any creature who can non-ridiculously fit inside a burrow

[lone kite]

ok ok ill admit other dinos stealling burrows i can get that but dryo would have no need to steel 1

other than being lazy

[quiet estuary]

I gave two reasons dryo could steal it

[lone kite]

1 hes weak you arnt killing much more than a baby utha

[quiet estuary]

How do you know

[lone kite]

i play dryo

i love playing dryo

[quiet estuary]

I also enjoy dryo

But more than just baby utahs can exist within burrows

Any creature smaller than what makes the burrows logically would be able to enter the burrow

[lone kite]

dryo is fun but need more flavor

[quiet estuary]

So you can have a herrera of all things in the burrow if it was made by idk, and ava

And again, more flavor can be accomplished via using other mechanics and not just burrowing

But I personally am not against it burrowing either

but any animla which can burrow should have the capability to evict others from their burrows

[lone kite]

im fine with other dinos who cant make burrows steal but dryo that just seems like a nono

[quiet estuary]

What about non dryo animals who can burrow also stealing them

Imagine ava could burrow, would it also be a nono if it stole burrows

[lone kite]

it feels cheap for them 2

[quiet estuary]

Why

[lone kite]

same reasons

[quiet estuary]

What is "cheap" about it

[lone kite]

if u can make a burrow just go make 1

why risk combat

[quiet estuary]

Ok I make a burrow

But now, what if I want more burrows, to increase the land I can travel with nearby safe points

So i steal a burrow

[lone kite]

tortise share burrows

[quiet estuary]

What if something in the area is eating all my bushes and I invade its burrow to stop it from doing tbhat

[lone kite]

u have legs

[quiet estuary]

I wouldnt say share

i dont think tortoises have the best capabilities to remove them

[lone kite]

just shevrolegs to a new area

which is where dryos agility comes into play

[quiet estuary]

Or, I take the other burrow and have two areas I now have safe zones in and can travel back and forth between

[lone kite]

i wont lie stealing has its upsides but to risk combat as a squishy dino seems to risky

[quiet estuary]

I mean compared to other burrowers dryo isnt exactly the most squishy

Homalo for example is like hypsi sized
which a dryo would have no trouble with

[lone kite]

but if a dryo wanted to id say it could exspand a burrow to enter it which would make the og owner vulnerable

[quiet estuary]

anyways its been a fun chat
I gtg now

cya

[swift dew]

this is super intrue, dryo is faster than utah (outstams it too) and if you really want to can juke it pretty easily. just drink at the shallows and your fine against deinos, against ptera just jump and then murder it, or if you don't feel like fighting run away, its pretty easy. dont even get me started about carnos, you can juke them their ankles fly into orbit

if you die as a dryo you are just bad

[valid elk]

Or got jumped.

[swift dew]

you would have to get jumped pretty hard to get caught as dryo

[swift dew]

oh fall damage, 90% of my damage is falling slightly farther than the game wants me too

but other than fall damage and trolling by pecking utahs you shouldn't be taking any damage as dryo

[lone kite]

speed and stam along wont get u out of a chance sometimes u just need a sure fire way to get away where burrows come in

• dryo is prity bland rn

its litterally spend an hour growing eat drink and do somthing now when nesting was in dryo had somthing to spice that up but without it dryo is not only near usless combat wise but has nothing for xpirianced players who can juke those dinos to do

[hallow moth]

@little zodiac #announcements message

[hoary dawn]

bruh how you getting chased down by a deino?

[compact hare]

@river quarry its not coming back

here it is

[river quarry]

ah, thanks @compact hare

[compact hare]

your welcome

[river quarry]

makes sense though

[compact hare]

ye I had the same thought

[little zodiac]

It's a known issue... I was just wondering if anyone had a solution

[compact hare]

Afaik a lot of games are having this problem

steam fault

Dont know how the solution but, maybe asking in the bugs channels you can find an awnser

[hallow moth]

the server has to lower slots

they posted it in the anouncements

[barren zephyr]

How do I spend points

[quiet estuary]

Points are something only earned on an unofficial server
Go to the discord of whatever unofficial server you are playing on to spend them

[barren zephyr]

I'm on isla nublar 2

[quiet estuary]

Then go to the isla nublar discord

[swift dew]

@blissful iron NOOOOOO, multiple server slots should NEVER be a thing, its in BoB and people in BoB scout as a ptera, just to switch to their rex to go kill something, its super stupid. plus, you can play something else without killing your deino, you just play on another server

[blissful iron]

pretty hard to play on another server in australia when the only populated server is the official one

[quiet estuary]

multiple slots can be done well if there are limits to what you can have on a server
Such as if you have a deino you cant have anything but a dryo

A points system of sorts for slots

[swift dew]

Ig that is a fair point, but that should be solved by removing the region lock rather than adding multiple server slots

[blissful iron]

i just want to play with my friends without losing my full grown deino

they prefer playing utah or stego

[paper oriole]

Ovi doesnt need to be a good swimmer imo, but he could have some sort of stealth ability that makes it harder for angry parents to track him. Maybe the ability to sprint while crouched for a slower speed than normal sprint but with the benefit of leaving very few prints to track him with

Or some other sort of ability to make him hard to track

[left nacelle]

@ivory sandal #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧

[swift dew]

@halcyon kindle yes acro will be playable, also wrong chat

[paper oriole]

acro has a model concept too if you haven't seen (warning, it is bad)

[swift dew]

not it isnt, I like fatcro

[paper oriole]

fat is fine but holy shit his head

[swift dew]

I like his head too

[paper oriole]

it looks like he'd just faceplant forward if he tried to run or even trot on uneven ground

the poor bastard

[sonic mural]

Good idea maybe have it’s mud stay on it longer or something

[paper oriole]

maybe that, though i was kinda thinking around it not relying on wallowing as much as other dinos

since it could be hard to track on its own with a unique movement stance

[ivory sandal]

I stated it was not an EVRIMA issue

[swift dew]

well then use some problem solving skills and go to #🔧-legacy-troubleshooting-🔧 instead

[sonic mural]

👍

[halcyon kindle]

i apologize i am new where should i have taken that question {im half blind i miss things}

[swift dew]

#401464048610312195

[halcyon kindle]

thank you

[flat crypt]

Something I think that's worth noting in that regard, is that it's a whole lot easier to do that in BoB than it likely would be in TI, due to the much smaller map size and complete and utter lack of stealth as a whole in BoB

In a similar situation in TI, the map is large enough that unless you happened to leave your rex parked nearby, you'll have a trek to get there. And it's not even guaranteed they'll still be there when you arrive. Additionally, spotting them in the first place might be harder, along with having to spot them again while on the ground

People would still be able to do it obviously. Although so long as everything is well balanced I don't think it's as big of an issue. Sure, you know where that para herd is now, and can go there with your rex. But can you even catch them/kill them anyway?

A potential way around it is to have a cooldown between switching slots. So you have to wait a decent length of time after playing your ptera, to then go play your rex. This gives times for things to move around and makes scouting far less effective. ~30 minutes could work. Annoying if you're well-intentioned and just want to play something else for a while, but theres always different servers in the meantime

hm actually i like that hol up

[fringe flare]

With multiple slots it would probably be easy to just spawn in juvies, suicide them until you have a pile of bodies to easily feed your apex slot. I realize this has been done with multiple accounts in the past but I think having slots would make it easier

[flat crypt]

A lot less effective if you have to wait 30 minutes though

[limber hull]

@flat crypt the 30 min idea makes it a lot better tbh

[flat crypt]

yeah, it negates like.... the majority of issues slots brings lol

[limber hull]

exactly

because i dont wanna lose a 5 hour deino to try out, say, pachy

[flat crypt]

but still allows for the fun part, aka playing different things on the same server

[limber hull]

but i do agree that scouting would be an issue

this is a best of both worlds

[flat crypt]

yeah. im someone who likes playing lots of different things, and i have certain servers I always prefer to play, whether that be for rules or for ping. slots are a nice way of addressing that

[manic flint]

I like that suggestion

[flat crypt]

isnt favourite in the server menu just spelt with a u? thats not wrong lol

[limber hull]

that isnt wrong

my man literally doesnt understand that there's more than just american pronunciations

[hoary dawn]

galaxy brain

[left nacelle]

Would still be nice if There was a US English and EU English translation setting so things would be spelled differently in their respective countries. Makes the game seem more refined and polished imo

[paper oriole]

“You spelt this word wrong” proceeds to put a bunch of commas at the end of your sentence for some reason

RNG debuffs that you rely on other players to fix? No thanks

What's with the obsession over teeth cleaning dinos coming up in suggestions anyway, it's not even that cool

[hushed island]

because... deino was added......

[paper oriole]

And

[hushed island]

must I say more

[paper oriole]

Lmao seen that a thousand times. See, punishing deino for doing something it HAS to do by giving it an infection is stupid as hell

And making it rely on another player, especially a different species, to fix it makes it even worse

[hushed island]

mk well it was just an idea bro, get that stick out ur ass

[paper oriole]

Just pointing out the obvious

Or what should be obvious at least

[limber hull]

i like the idea behind it but it has several key flaws

[hushed island]

this community has sum disrespectful ass mofos I'll tell u what

yeah I never said THIS HAS TO BE ADDED JUST THE WAY I SAID. I think the idea is neat and the devs could tinker with it a bit to make it actually good. Or not but either way

I think incorporating modern symbiotic relationships would be neat af

[paper oriole]

I was criticizing what was written in the idea, the idea which implied it would be cool for the game to punish deinos for eating

[limber hull]

i can agree that symbiotic relations seem awesome, but i feel like punishing a character in order to enforce it may make that character feel way worse

[paper oriole]

Symbiotic relationships are cool but you shouldnt be punished for existing

[limber hull]

exactly

i can agree 100% that symbiotic relations could be great for the game, but they should exist to elevate a dino, not applying x weakness for y dino to remove

[paper oriole]

Symbiotic relationships, if they happen, need to be carefully balanced to not be a hindrance or op depending on the pairing

[hushed island]

hmm wattabout if deino ate spoiling meat?

[urban flax]

When will people stop suggesting cleaning teeth of deinos...

[hushed island]

n e v e r

[urban flax]

That's starting to look as weird as mating suggestions

[paper oriole]

Crocs eat some rancid shit irl

[limber hull]

sounds more like a diet thing

[hushed island]

and crocs get their teeth cleaned irl because of bacteria and random shit that accumulates in their teeth

[paper oriole]

The deinos carrying babies and deino teeth cleaning suggestions are borderline spam at this point lol

[urban flax]

Besides pteras are way too big to go clean the teeth of deinos

[urban flax]

And ?

[limber hull]

baby carrying is cool imo but yea, there's a ton of those suggestions

[hushed island]

im responding to mira

[paper oriole]

A lot of stuff happens irl

Some animals eat shit irl should we have that in the isle

[hushed island]

that'd be neat

[paper oriole]

Noooo no no no

Wait i think there was a suggestion for that actually

[urban flax]

Yes, for compies eating shit

[paper oriole]

Imagine

[urban flax]

No need to thank me for reminding that to you

[barren zephyr]

[hushed island]

I'd play compy 24/7 if it were able to eat da poopoo

[limber hull]

i really wanna play a compy tbh

just little scavenger goblin

[urban flax]

Might get boring after a while though

[paper oriole]

In a group maybe not

But thats most dinos

[honest sparrow]

Pink name lmao money waster loser

[barren zephyr]

|

[hoary dawn]

you put forward a flawed idea and people will point out the flaws

[barren zephyr]

kills my own

[hushed island]

bro I've moved on from that, I grew up in that time and now have a wife and 3 beautiful daughters

I'm a changed man

[honest sparrow]

I think more lethal dosage for juvis works as long as they use far more venom per strike as they lack control of it

[normal shuttle]

Hmmm yeah

[paper oriole]

I dont wanna become easy pickings just for friendly calling someone, that would be absurd

Stop trusting people so easily just because they 2 call, you approach them at your own risk

Calls changing stats in general just feels artificial and abusable

[urban flax]

Yeah they're mechanics of communication, not gameplay

And that means that in order to have optimal damage as a predator, you gotta 3-call before attacking... which is utterly stupid

[paper oriole]

Tuning down somebody's attack power when they friendly call actually promotes toxicity

Because it makes them an easy target

Also friendly call is used for group invite so it would make grouping worse

[limber hull]

i like the call idea in concept, but it will 100% be abused

[digital belfry]

i rly hate dino slots. 30 min cooldown to change your dino... what happens if you die? can you change instantly or do you have to wait half an hour to play your other dino? if you cant change you could grow almost half of the roster to 50% in 30 min and if you can change you could abuse it. its rly unnecessery. with better ai ppl will grow their dinos while the server is less populated and safe them up for later. also 30 min isnt that much tracking dinos who nest would still give you a change to go there with another dino to kill them

[limber hull]

you'd put a new dino in that open slot

seems simple enough to me

the issue isnt AI or food

it's that "I feel like playing something else but dont feel like losing 5 hours"

say, pachy comes out

[urban flax]

Yeah I guess it's : You have 5 slots, once you select one the other ones are locked for 30 minutes, but you can do whatever you want in that one slot you picked
Play, die, respawn

[limber hull]

you wanna try pachy

you still like playing your 100% deino

[digital belfry]

just change server? most server owners provide more than 1 server and there are a lot of populated ones

[limber hull]

so you open up your other slot and give it a shot. You go "hey that was fun", then the next day after you log out, you can choose your deino again

[urban flax]

Though I think 30 minutes might be a bit long, the cooldown would need to be fine-tuned

[urban flax]

That's also a solution

[limber hull]

doesnt work like that in the AU region. We have official and nothing else. No players go anywhere else. It's not fair to force people to change servers when some regions dont have that luxury

[digital belfry]

you only got 1 official server with ppl on?

[limber hull]

yep

no one joins community server

and there's only one official

[digital belfry]

they should disable fuqing region block and that wouldnt be a problem

[limber hull]

idk what you mean by that

but im staying in AU region, locked or not

every other region has 200+ ping

[urban flax]

As much as I hate to say that, it's a problem that concerns only you and a minority of players
It literally comes from a lack of players in your specific area

[limber hull]

the slot system seems very well thought out, i like the 30 minute cooldown, death doesn't seem to be an issue there because you can simply respawn if you die on the slot the old dino was on

so, fuck Australians I guess lmao

[urban flax]

I'm not saying that 😅

[digital belfry]

still dont like the idea of slots. ppl will abuse it cause they try to abuse everything. they will work out a way.

[limber hull]

wish I had 50 american servers, all of which were consistently populatred

[limber hull]

30 minute cooldown literally prevents that

[urban flax]

Slots is a very wide solution for a very specific problem

[limber hull]

its not a specific problem tho

[urban flax]

But they could work, they just need to not impede on players that have the luxury to be able to switch around 20 servers

[digital belfry]

30 min are enough to spot a stego nest. walk there and massacre everyone. if an egg needs 15 min to hatch and another 30 for the baby to get strong enough to travel you got plenty of time

[limber hull]

then make it longer

honestly, i thought 30 mins was quite short

lots of things in this game takes a long amount of time

[digital belfry]

if stuff like that comes in the cooldown should be a lot longer. 30 min is nothing in the isle

[limber hull]

i agree on that

i think with slots, you should end a session, come back in say, 2 hours minimum, and have access to other slots

as in, each slot = a different session

[digital belfry]

yea something like 2h would probably work. some privat server had a slot system in legacy and its fun to play a diff. dino and go back to your main after a session. but as you say we need a long cooldown so ppl cant abuse it

[limber hull]

exactly

i can see how 30 min can be bad

especially with nesting coming out

(and egg-eaters)

[digital belfry]

glaad we are on the same page at the end. thats what this channel is for hahah

[flat crypt]

imo having the cooldown time be configurable for server owners would be a good way of approaching it, with a rather long time set for officials

certain servers may not have a big issue with people abusing the feature just due to the types of players they have, and might not need as long of a cooldown. some servers might have the opposite issue, so they can set it quite long

it's pretty unlikely for most people that you have only one server you ever play on, so needing to wait a while to switch slots on a server shouldn't be a huge deal, because you probably have at least one other server you can play on at that time

[tawny crest]

@fallen path already implemented

[fallen path]

And how does it work?

[tawny crest]

press e

[fallen path]

Oh dang

[tawny crest]

delete your feedback??

[fallen path]

Nah

[urban flax]

@radiant dagger stop suggesting new creatures

[ashen wasp]

Yo but what if we added this super obscure dinosaur called Tyrannosaurus 😳

[safe galleon]

no it's a utah clone smh

[oblique crane]

lmao

[ashen wasp]

Honestly I AM hyped for more building interiors, sneaking around and stalking Mercs through hallways sounds like a hella fun time— I hope we get more expansive indoor structures soon

[radiant dagger]

Ok but will'be implemented some Dino skin? Only for differentiate the species

[steep warren]

It will be so much fun if they add what i just said in general feedback about going in vents and troodon being able to bite cables to turn off lights at that point troodon is imposter of the isle. XD

[ashen wasp]

Alternative models for already-existing creatures are a long ways away, if they’re coming at all

Yeah, my fingers are crossed for vents, too. Might as well lean into the Jurassic Park inspiration, right??

[barren zephyr]

@severe chasm You can jump off a cliff / drown urself / death by carno / death by deino / death by utah / allahu ackbar

[ashen wasp]

I really do like the idea of caching as a mechanic for carnivores, especially ones that are supposed to have heightened intelligence like Troodon. Trouble is, Troodon already has so much going for it already, it feels kind of cheap to give it another unique ability— either allow most or all carnivores (and omnivores and herbivores) to store food, or give it to an underpowered playable like Mono or Rugops

[digital belfry]

how would the f calls work? o.o

[paper oriole]

g

[hybrid matrix]

g

[steep warren]

g

[honest sparrow]

g

[hoary dawn]

g

[hasty dagger]

g

[limber hull]

g is a masterpiece what is this

utah has felt fine ever since the juvi pounce and bleed fix

i love playing utah now, wdym underpowered

[hybrid matrix]

@barren zephyr troll suggestions arent allowed

[barren zephyr]

cope

[hybrid matrix]

[barren zephyr]

your majesty, could you please not troll

[urban flax]

You're exposing yourself to a ban, you know

[barren zephyr]

^

[hybrid matrix]

i was gonna ask how TI is "realistic" but then i remembered wut ark looks like

[limber hull]

ark is just

[hybrid matrix]

@barren zephyr well no shit theyre gonna be killed by everything

humans are super squishy

dinos? not so squishy

[limber hull]

with humans, it's entirely dependent on how they address it

[hybrid matrix]

humans should be glass cannons

[limber hull]

disagree tbh

[hybrid matrix]

super low health and high damage

[limber hull]

i know, they shouldn't be

[hybrid matrix]

obviously guns would vary in terms of dmg

[barren zephyr]

realistically speaking, the mercs are probably not gonna be heavily armed to start with

Apollo and Phoenix are probably dirt poor xd

[vast wolf]

the fact that mercs are planned to die if something the size of velo gets up close to them and that they have to actually aquire loot limits how strong they are.

[limber hull]

im all for the GTFO approach rather than the Primal Carnage. They shouldn't be glass cannons because that implies a focus on killing fucking tons of dinos. They are small, thus stealthy, individuals with gadgets and weapons that the dinos dont have. They have more tools, but they still won't be good for taking down apexes, rather they will need to use weapons for a last-resort self-defence, rather than actively moving in guns blazing. This is why I dislike "high-damage, low health", because they don't NEED high damage when they have lots of range and lots of stealth instead

[barren zephyr]

That moment humans will be a server option so the point about humans being not needed is minute at best

[honest sparrow]

^

[hybrid matrix]

range means shit
u can shoot somehting from rlly far away and if it doesnt die then it's just gonna come find u

[vast wolf]

the current plan is that you start with a backpack, basic clothes a flashlight and possibly a combat knife makes survival difficult until you can get to a structure and get lucky to not only find a weapon, but the right ammo for it.

[hybrid matrix]

this is starting to sound a lot like Generation Zero

wait

🤔

[wintry monolith]

the isle was planed to be an horror game with humans, dinos, deep as lore, hypo monseters and all that but shit happend

[hybrid matrix]

holy fuck

[honest sparrow]

Running in guns blazing will probably get you killed, they should be low health high damage, but their gameplay emphasizes stealth and survival more, if you run in and give your position away to the entire server by shooting at everything, you die

[hybrid matrix]

this is generation zero with dinos

[barren zephyr]

@bleak ruin humans will be a server option so whatevs really

[limber hull]

range means EVERYTHING in this game. Because if you are the ONLY one in the game with range, you have a massive advantage. High-ground, long distances and so on can be used to extremes to pick off dinos from afar. You cannot tell me that range means shit in a game with only melee combat, it's literally bringing a gun to a knife fight

[vast wolf]

if you run around shooting guns you will be easy to find and probably run out of ammo very fast.

[honest sparrow]

^

[barren zephyr]

the comedic shooting will probably alert other predators, so you should only fire if it’s a life or death situation (probably)

[honest sparrow]

And then you die

[bleak ruin]

Yea I know it'll be a server option, just thought it was worth posting as feedback

[honest sparrow]

You have the option to do it

[vast wolf]

finding something like a pistol or other low caliber gun wont be hard if you know where to look. getting enough ammo will.

[honest sparrow]

But the game should make you seriously think about doing it

[hybrid matrix]

massive advantage?
range is only a massive advantage when u have a weapon that can actually do dmg
otherwise ur just gonna shoot at smthn and it'll come kill u with melee

[limber hull]

i much prefer the concept of sneaking around and completing operations while trying my damned hardest not to alert the fucking massive death monsters around me, using my weapon when im noticed and have no other choice to "haha, fuck you dinos, eat lead, i win"

[honest sparrow]

Exactly

[hybrid matrix]

YEAH
THIS IS GENERATION ZERO
YOU JUST DESCRIBED GENERATION ZERO

[limber hull]

I DONT KNOW WHAT THAT IS

[vast wolf]

as a merc you want to stay hidden or safe and completely avoid confrontation as much as possible.

[wintry monolith]

humans are intended to be scary af to play and your gun should be an kind of last resort, tribals on the other hand will still be scary but will proly need to form an hunting party with spears and bows to kill small or slow animals in an ambush

[barren zephyr]

I just know. Guns should function like this

[hybrid matrix]

ITS THE ISLE WITH ROBOTS THAT U CANT PLAY AS AND IT TAKES PLACE IN SWEDEN AND UR A HUMAN

[limber hull]

so what do you want? Primal Carnage?

[barren zephyr]

Can’t wait for some mercs to shoot random herbivores, then alert a predator then complain that the dinosaurs are overpowered

[hybrid matrix]

NO I WANT GENERATION ZERO

[limber hull]

IM CONFUSED

[honest sparrow]

They should emphasize that style of gameplay, but that doesn’t mean that humans shouldn’t be glass cannons given the right circumstances

[hybrid matrix]

ok

lemme explain

[limber hull]

I'm describing GTFO

[wintry monolith]

well the dino will prolly eat some 5.56 and still get you if its stego or bigger

[limber hull]

i love GTFO and I think translating it's human gameplay to a style of game like this would be awesome

[vast wolf]

cant wait for someone with something like a .20 cal pistol to shoot a trike in the head and wonder why the trike killed them.

[hybrid matrix]

wut is gtfo

[limber hull]

true, but i hate the idea of losing my 100% raptor to a sniper

[hybrid matrix]

apart from get the fuck out idk wut gtfo stands for

[vast wolf]

sneaky co-op horror game.

[limber hull]

Get The Fuck Out. It's a horror co-op game

Massive emphasis on stealth

[hybrid matrix]

oh

[limber hull]

weapons are last resorts at best

[hybrid matrix]

its called get the fuck out

[hybrid matrix]

u mean like, say for example, generation zero?

[limber hull]

okay

[vast wolf]

if you spot a merc as a utah and the merc has no gun they are dead. if they do have a gun they are going to have a hard time hitting you before they run out of ammo or you kill them.

[limber hull]

can we agree that i dont know what GZ is

[hybrid matrix]

sure

[barren zephyr]

shooting herbivores in general is a bad idea, bullets will be scarce and theres no point wasting your bullets on a peaceful creature. unless it’s attacking of course

[wintry monolith]

yeah but the shooter will have your whole pack after him after that plus if he misses the crit spot hes lost his chance of killing you

[hybrid matrix]

lemme explain y its a good thing if TI is like GZ

[wintry monolith]

mercs will not eat dinos anyway

[vast wolf]

unless you piss off something or its trying to kill you you avoid it as a merc. tribals are different.

[wintry monolith]

thats tribals

[barren zephyr]

People kos for fun

Humans are violent beings

that's how it goes

[vast wolf]

personally i want to sneak up on a merc as a bary and destroy them.

[barren zephyr]

bary is awesome

[hybrid matrix]

theres a few types of guns in GZ
handguns, shotguns, sub machine guns, hunting rifles, assault rifles, light machine guns, and rpgs

[vast wolf]

just patrol the jungles/swamps looking for free food.

this game is unlikely to have explosives.

[limber hull]

but i hate the idea of "dino hunters". It ruins games to die to something you have very little control over countering and encourages a KOS mindset among merc players. I would prefer it that you knew that your gun is a last resort. Also this means I really want firing a weapon to sound LOUD. Muzzle-flash, big blast, everything. No hiding the sound, you accept that by attacking, you alert the horde. Guns should NEVER one shot any character in the game. This is why I'm heavily against explosive weapons or sniper rifles.

[hybrid matrix]

each type of weapon has a few individual weapons, each with their own advantages

[vast wolf]

automatic weapons are also not the best in a jungle.

[barren zephyr]

explosives would kill the game’s balance

@jade schooner only thing I disagree with is dinosaur slots. people will have back ups of big things up just in case and it just leads to problematic gameplay. Everything else is fine.

[limber hull]

shotguns, automatic rifles, pistols, SMGs, I'm fine with these

[hybrid matrix]

ik but im saying that in GZ there are explosives

[limber hull]

just not massive damage from range

[hybrid matrix]

The ARs in gen 0 can switch between auto and semi-auto

[vast wolf]

id be fine with a high caliber rifle if the ammo is super rare and the gun only spawns in the most dangerous places.

[hybrid matrix]

but thats not important

[urban flax]

If you guys are afraid of mercs being OP, take a look at the Metro series, they do a great job at making your weapons and ammo valuable, especially the last one, Metro Exodus

[hybrid matrix]

YES THIS IS HOW GENERATION ZERO IS

[limber hull]

DERPTAH

THIS IS THE ISLE

[hybrid matrix]

except for the ammo part

[limber hull]

NOT GENERATION ZERO

lmao

[hybrid matrix]

the ammo can just be stumbled upon

ik but im describing y gen 0 is a good source of inspiration for humans in TI

[vast wolf]

best weapons in this game would be
1 - rifles
2 - shotguns
3 - pistols/semi auto weapons
4 - automatics

[hybrid matrix]

if u'd stop talking then i could do a better job of explaining

[vast wolf]

ik they want some of the human gameplay to be similar to scum and the gunplay to be like tarkov.

[jade schooner]

The reason I mention the slots is due to the ability to have different dinosaurs in familiar servers.

Back ups as in "same dinosaurs" I think is not ideal. Being ideal to, once you have one selected dinosaur in one slot, you shouldn't be able to pick the same for another empty slot.
Also, the inability to switch slots while already logged in the server.

If we could take it a step forward, we could pick a slot when entering the server, and the only way to access another slot, would be by leaving the server and coming back in. So if you die with one slot, you go back to the dinosaur selection screen but still with the same slot

[hybrid matrix]

ok now can i talk

i'll take that as a yes

[barren zephyr]

No

[limber hull]

rifles would dominate tbh. Any long range weapon would. Shotguns are more balanced because you need to get into the danger zone of the dino in order to land a huge chunk of damage

[vast wolf]

adding a slot system just causes major issues for the game and is generally not worth it.

[hybrid matrix]

:|

[barren zephyr]

just type, don’t need to wait for other people

[urban flax]

At some point you gotta be rewarded for managing to survive as a human long enough to get a rifle, ammo, a good spot and good aiming

[hybrid matrix]

its distracting tho

when u guys r sending messages i lose my train of thought

[barren zephyr]

What I mean with back up slots would be. Say you're trying to grow an allo but you have a rex or shant in the other. If you die as said allo and are feeling dickish. You could go as your shan't and revenge kill and vice versa

[vast wolf]

just type it all out before looking at whats being sent.

[limber hull]

im confused HOW that would work tho. At what point do you get rewarded? For what do you get rewards? What kind of rewards are there? So on, so forth

[hybrid matrix]

or just stop talking for a minute

[limber hull]

derptah, people are allowed to discuss in the discussion channel

[urban flax]

If mercs are getting firearms, then they will also have missions involving the use of those firearms. If you have a rifle and good aiming, that'd allow you to complete some missions more easily

[barren zephyr]

Not to mention in a survival game like this. It would encourage a meta of having big thing in extra slot

[limber hull]

that sounds like a KOS PvP style gameplay which is.... Egh

[jade schooner]

I see. That could be open for abuse indeed.

[barren zephyr]

Yeah

[limber hull]

Again, I prefer weapons as last option to only approach

[urban flax]

You say that like everyone isn't KOSing already...

[hybrid matrix]

there are a lot of things that make generation zero such a good source for human inspiration
and i have work to do
im gonna finish my work and then make a google doc

[silver zephyr]

????

[barren zephyr]

Good idea

[limber hull]

and so to fix that we add more KOSing, except this time with more powerful ranged classes that would feel even worse to die to??? What? How does the game's current flaws dictate how the game should be designed going forward, sticking to those flaws rather than fixing them?

[hybrid matrix]

basically in gen 0 stealth is a much better option than openly attacking things

and there are ways to improve stealth

[urban flax]

KOSing as a dino is a different thing than doing it as a human
Because as a human you're wulnerable and weak, and there is a limited number of things you can kill
Because you have limited ammo

[limber hull]

again

if you have limited ammo

thats good

but making it that humans MUST kill dinos is bad

make the objective LITERALLY anything else

[urban flax]

You really think there is even a possibility that humans will have unlimited ammo ?

Humans will have to kill dinos, simply because most dino players will attack them on sight, even if the mission objective has nothing to do with dinos

[limber hull]

comms repair, egg collection, dino observation, search and rescue, so on. Stuff that puts you into the danger zone, but doesn't force you to use limited ammo unless absolutely necessary

[limber hull]

that's fine. As long as the merc's objective isn't DIRECTLY killing dinos, rather objectives that would force them to kill dinos if absolutely necessary, I'm fine

aka, dino killing is a last resort, not the main goal

[urban flax]

Well I think most objectives won't be to kill dinos, since I can't really see a use for them to killing them

[limber hull]

thats good imo

[urban flax]

Also, we're not even sure if mercs will have missions at all. Everything about them is hidden deep about the untold lore, we don't even know their reasons to be on the Island

[hybrid matrix]

@tall oasis meganeura would die bc the atmosphere isnt oxygenated enough

[urban flax]

As would every dino

[hybrid matrix]

true, except the game is about dinos

[urban flax]

It still makes your argument irrelevant

[hybrid matrix]

except
and hear me out, the dinos are like the JP dinos, and they have some dna from modern animals, allowing them to breathe our air

[urban flax]

And why meganeura wouldn't ? If it's there, it means it has been recreated the same way dinos have been

[hybrid matrix]

cmon i dont want a pteranodon sized dragonfly buzzing around!
thats fucking terrifying

[urban flax]

I'm not defending it tho, I don't see why we should have specifically a meganeura hovering over swamps

And meganeura is far from being as big as a pteranodon... xD

[hybrid matrix]

isnt it eagle-sized?

isnt our pteranodon also eagle-sized?

[jade schooner]

Meganeuras weren't that large lol

[hybrid matrix]

i mean wingspan and such

[urban flax]

It's around 1 meter of wingspan

Maybe a little less

[limber hull]

every single dino requires a far greater level of oxygen

[hybrid matrix]

still horrifying

[jade schooner]

I think it's a little less. So barely an arms length. I don't see it being impossible to add for diets.
I don't think it's necessary, but it wouldn't be a bad addition.

[hybrid matrix]

also why not make it a playable?
its big enough to pick up the tiny tiny dinos

[urban flax]

Because it's too small
And lame

[jade schooner]

Not big enough for that at all lol

[urban flax]

You're saying it shouldn't be here because it is a dino game, and now you want it as a playable ?

[hybrid matrix]

compy is like 3 kg

[hybrid matrix]

no im saying why shouldnt it be a playable if its added

[urban flax]

Compy is also too small, but we need something to clean up corpses

[jade schooner]

If it could be added, I'd just look at it as a dietary option, like fishes. And the apparent goat we're getting

[urban flax]

How are we getting a goat ? Is it on the roadmap ?

[jade schooner]

Also: what eagle are you thinking about when saying our ptera is eagel sized?

[jade schooner]

let me see if i can find something. I think Punch mentioned it

[jade schooner]

#401464048610312195 message

[hybrid matrix]

idky but i remembered eagles having a huge wingspan
was probably thinking of condors tho

[urban flax]

wth
Why goats ?

[jade schooner]

I have no idea. It was weird to me too

[urban flax]

Maybe... it's just an example ?

[limber hull]

goats funny

[jade schooner]

Maybe the JP love for the goat in rex enclosure

[urban flax]

Or maybe it's tiny goats, small enough to survive by hiding in the mountains

[jade schooner]

Our ptera at least I believe is larger than that by a reasonable margin

[urban flax]

Eagle has 2 to 3 meters of wingspan
Ptera is 6 meters

Or maybe 5

[jade schooner]

Condors is 3 meters iirc

[urban flax]

Yes it must be that, eagles are 2 meters, condors are 3

[jade schooner]

Something around that, yea

[hybrid matrix]

aight ima make the document now

[swift dew]

Ig a cooldown could work, but the biggest problem is if someone is nesting, there is a good chance that they are going to be in that spot for a good long while

[urban flax]

@clever arch I agree bushes should have some sort of collision, but small dinos should still be able to hide in them

[clever arch]

Small dinos are usually small enough not to be even noticed.

[urban flax]

Even as a small you sometimes need to hide in a bush

[clever arch]

And if still large enough to still be seen easily, they make up in speed.

[urban flax]

No ? Not all big things are fast

That's the exact opposite actually, the bigger you are, the slower you are

[clever arch]

I didn't say big. Big usually means you can defend yourself.

[urban flax]

You said large
That's a synonym

There is always something you need to hide from in this game

[clever arch]

And plus, if there are enough bushes (plant matter) in an area, the small dino can still hide amidst the bushes.

Still they can hide.

[urban flax]

I don't know what you're suggesting in your feedback though, make bushes impossible to go through ?

[paper oriole]

Ah yes, dinosaurs shouldnt be able to go through some leaves and branches, make forests a chore to traverse and plants into brick walls

[urban flax]

I'd say that, in an ideal world, walking through bushes would slow you down depending on your size. The medium-sized dinos would be the ones to be slowed the most, and the bigger you are, the more you push the bush aside
That could make it so "big dinos don't hide in bushes" as you said, without making them impassable

I'd say the ones that would be slowed down the most are Utah and Teno sized, big enough to "collide" with the branches, but not heavy enough to just ignore them

[swift dew]

you make bushes impassible, or even them just slowing you down and you make even MORE people go out into the plains

[urban flax]

That's why it should depend on your size. Little things like hypsi wouldn't be slowed down at all

[paper oriole]

Dinos deaigned to live in the forest shouldnt be fucked over by bushes

[urban flax]

Thus making them more effective at going in the forest than anything else

[urban flax]

Exactly, that's why you'd need to be either very small or very big to go in the forest

Or well, you can go in with anything but you'll be under-performing

But for example, a stego wouldn't be slowed down much by bushes

[clever arch]

Not impossible to go through, you just can't really sit in it. Try sitting in a bush, it's not easy, but trying to walk, run through it is much easier. That's what I'm suggesting.

[paper oriole]

A lot of animals chill in bushes

[urban flax]

wdym I can sit inside a bush perfectly fine

[manic flint]

Same

Idk what your talking about

[clever arch]

Now you guys are being annoying...

[manic flint]

Sitting in bushes is easy unless their spiky

[paper oriole]

Hell i can fit myself under tons of small shrubs outside and chill, not that i would but I could

[manic flint]

I don't understand your argument

[urban flax]

Also I'm pretty sure it's easier to just sit in a bush rather than running through it

[paper oriole]

Oh no people disagreeing with you and pointing out flaws in your argument is annoying

[manic flint]

If they were spikey bushes then maybe

But like bushes are easy to go through

[paper oriole]

Bushes arent all thick condensed walls of solid leaves and sticks, they have a lot of space in them

[manic flint]

If not nothing would go into jungles
Yet jungles have very high populations of animals

[clever arch]

Whatever

[manic flint]

Maybe there could be super dense bushes?

[paper oriole]

[ashen elm]

Jungles have high populations of arboreal animals
Less varied terrestrial

[manic flint]

But unless it's like a certain kind of bush then no

Cause the bushes in the game now are thin and spindly

So I gotta disagree

[clever arch]

I'm just saying that bushes being somewhat space occupiers would actually give some of the excessive plant matter a purpose, rather then just eye shield.

[manic flint]

How would that work?

[clever arch]

It work similar to the hit box of the rocks, except it would give more. So it would be passable but it would be easier to just go around.

Makes the environment more interactable.

(I hate autocorrect, it makes it so hard to type)

[paper oriole]

Wouldn't say dryo's eye is 40% of his upper head but he would make a good nocturnal

They should remove socketing from the pounce and then add an aim. The socketing is dumb handholding from the game, should be all up to the player's accuracy

[hybrid matrix]

socketing?

[urban flax]

I think socketing was implemented because it was buggy, but no-pounce zones should come back

[hybrid matrix]

what is socketing

[urban flax]

The fact you teleport to the side of the dino when you pounce as a Utah

[hybrid matrix]

oh

[urban flax]

btw, in the future, they should have a "scramble" animation for when Utah latches on its prey and make it move towerds its socket instead of teleporting there, it would look less jarring

[hybrid matrix]

@steady sleet but why tho? why add that? all it does is make surviving much more annoying than it already is

[blazing charm]

The idea of poisoning water sources with dead bodies basically turns every single semi-aquatic/aquatic predator into a miniature disaster waiting to happen. Also the idea of water being bad for you period is just...ridiculous to me.

[urban flax]

Oh yeah I haven't read the "can be poisoned by cadaver" part
It's terrible

[blazing charm]

If you wanted to maybe offer different benefits for drinking from different sources, there was an idea way back in the day that involved certain water sources being able to either fill your thirst more effectively, or only being able to full satisfy the need at those particular sources.

[urban flax]

And if there is a chance of getting poisoned from drinking water then there is RNG
And RNG=Satan

Although I'm pretty sure if there is any infection system in the game at some point it will probably involve RNG...

[blazing charm]

Literally the only place something like that would be acceptable is in somewhere that clearly warrants it.

Like say, polluted/contaminated water near structures.

But there's no better kick in the teeth than taking a sip from a river and then contracting some disease.

[urban flax]

Especially if you're a dinosaur
It's ok for a human because we aren't used to it

But animals drink from murky water all the time

[hybrid matrix]

not necessarily,
in my infection suggestion you got infected if u were bitten by a dinosaur that had just eaten from a rotting carcass

[steady sleet]

i'm looking for ideas for more variety in the game it's still too dead, i think a water diet system is not bad

[urban flax]

It's bad if you get punished by drinking water
Diet system is supposed to reward players, not the opposite

[steady sleet]

you just have to be careful

[urban flax]

That's not the point

Randomly getting sick from eating water serves nothing but to annoy players

And it forces them to all drink in "springs" as you described, which is also the opposite of diets goal, which is to spread players out

[steady sleet]

surviving is not easy

[urban flax]

Exactly. There will already be way enough things to worry about to not have to only go to springs all the time in order to not get sick

Which is also, as I said, quite unrealistic

[steady sleet]

small water holes can be found everywhere but are harder to find

[swift dew]

also, these animals arent humans. they don't have weak immune systems like we do, they can drink relativly contaminated water

[urban flax]

They won't be hard to find once someone has found them once

Why do you want everyone to be catered in one place in order to drink and completely abandon lakes, rivers and swamps anyway ?