#general-feedback-discussion

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cyan flame
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As of right now? I don't know, I know some nice spots with bushes near rivers that works great for growing :)

pale bloom
crude girder
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Utah can't catch the schooling fish, so unless the elite fish bug out and end up on land, or you are being fed by Deinos, you are left with the Dryo AI that is faster than you as a baby

pale bloom
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Semiaquatic Utah

crude girder
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Also, what about Carnotaurus?

feral wedge
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I remember what happened one time a Carno was trying to sustain itself off of fish.

turbid mauve
feral wedge
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And I was sitting in the shallows.

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Already waiting.

pale bloom
mossy horizon
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I'm guessing you gave the Carno a kiss Gar

feral solstice
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Tried to fish.
Took to long to realize there was already a fisher.

crude girder
hoary dawn
crude girder
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Now granted, I do agree that Dryo Ai is too common given how many Carnos I see running about, but I'd hardly say it's AFK since you still need to actually you know, find and catch them

hoary dawn
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you have to actively go look for ai, then manage to kill it, then worry about other carnivores smelling the corpse

paper oriole
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Holy shit this is still going on lmao

cyan flame
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I don't think carnos survive on dryo AI to be honest.. :p

pale bloom
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They give a joke amount of food now

mossy horizon
turbid mauve
cyan flame
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More like they survive on other carnos, utahs and deinos, if we're to judge the ecosystem. And I guess whatever tenno/stego they find :p

feral wedge
mossy horizon
cyan flame
hoary dawn
crude girder
hoary dawn
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some people prefer playing games instead of watching them play themselves

turbid mauve
crude girder
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It's not like Diets will make a herd of 2 or 3 animals impossible, but giant mixed herds of over 15 animals are going to be really rare, since you'll be living in different places

hoary dawn
mossy horizon
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Ye diff diets diff food sources diff places ez pz

hoary dawn
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flyers in general cant have as interactive gameplay as most playables cuz they can easily avoid danger whenever

turbid mauve
crude girder
# turbid mauve With ptera you don't have to play the game.

Ptera is also capable of...

  1. Flying to cover the entire map
  2. One of the only 2 animals that eats fish
  3. Unlike Deino, can live entirely off fish
  4. Grows incredibly quick due to lack of combat power

Choosing to not play the game atm with ptera is a choice, though given the basic structure of the animal, interacting with other players will nearly always result in your death.

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You decided to pick an a fish eating spectator camera instead of the Fast running theropods or Florida simulator, you are exchanging your ability to fight for the ability of flight

turbid mauve
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That's gonna make the devs work real hard xD scripting all those things u was talking about xDDDD

cyan flame
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What are you on about now?.. :p

turbid mauve
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into A.I behavior

icy lion
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pretty much everything hypernova has talked about has been heavily talked about by the devs regarding diets

crude girder
icy lion
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we dont know exactly how ai will work, but herds and aggro ai have been mentioned and tested on stream by amarok as well

turbid mauve
hoary dawn
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good ai isn't a walk in the park

pale bloom
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That one got me

crude girder
turbid mauve
crude girder
hoary dawn
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its about to get real

cyan flame
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Oh not again..

mossy horizon
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TI_nest TI_Zzz TI_Derp .

icy lion
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im gonna preemptively ask you guys to be civil, thanks

cyan flame
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Sorry..

feral wedge
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And I'm lurking, still, if you need a secondary "reminder."

turbid mauve
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With the introduction of A.I, there will be no need for me to do anything, you see? When the ecosystem runs itself, I can finally breathe and see myself immersed in all of its glory. Not just some carnivore simulator. Therefore, people will get bored... and well after that god forbid what happens next @crude girder , 🤓 .

crude girder
hoary dawn
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😐

cyan flame
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Why would there be no need to do anything? And why would people be bored with an actual ecosystem running?

feral wedge
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I am also completely lost with what this discussion is supposed to about.

crude girder
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I mean like, great non-sequitur, but what.

honest sparrow
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what did I stumble upon

mossy horizon
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I am lost as well TI_OviQuestion

crude girder
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Class has been bouncing between like 4 different topics trying to pwn me about diets or something, I kinda fell of the ship when they started talking about how Herbivore should always be able to be in Mega herds

mossy horizon
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I mean that should only be dedicated for the few who can keep up with their hunger, mega herds that is

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Along with dietary needs

crude girder
feral wedge
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I will happily watch them slowly die off as they fail to successfully share resources.

mossy horizon
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Which is well extremely difficult I'm sure if you're a hulking beast of a dinosaur like Triceratops

mossy horizon
honest sparrow
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imagine trying to megaherd with sauropods lmao

hoary dawn
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i dont see how ai would make things boring at all, they fill the island with more life

turbid mauve
crude girder
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As for the "what happens next" you mean the game running itself like you seem to want it to do, which wouldn't cause any problems?

crude girder
hoary dawn
crude girder
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I... I think they're dead

honest sparrow
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did you guys win?

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I honestly can't tell

crude girder
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This was no victory

hoary dawn
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i dont think anyone won

crude girder
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we slaughtered an innocent bystander simply seeking to do some sort of something probably I honestly don't even know

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Tho I can't wait to have this exact conversation in 24 hours

hoary dawn
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i guess my braincells won since they're happy partying in heaven

honest sparrow
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are we sure class isn't the biggest troll known to man

crude girder
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He is def trolling no way you can have these many contradictory takes at once

hoary dawn
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idk

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i've seen things

crude girder
honest sparrow
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imagine he's like a really good method actor who goes into a dinosaur game discord every day and pisses everyone off

crude girder
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I'm not even mad tho, thoroughly confused and slightly amused, but mad? Not so much.

hoary dawn
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i am very amused

feral wedge
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Don't be snide.

paper oriole
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Does this person not know about the 3 spinosaurids coming to evrima?

honest sparrow
hoary dawn
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bary please dondi

honest sparrow
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please doind

jade haven
mossy horizon
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prob talkin bout trello

jade haven
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Hmmm. Im on trello, still couldnt find anything. I might be dumb;(

shrewd sphinx
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I dont see why people think Ptera is weak- You can kill juvis with some ease and skill. I've watched a single Ptera take out an adult Utah and semi adult carno..

short jewel
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Well, pteranodon is intented to be weak

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But yeah a bit of experience and math you can find out what u can and cant fight

still quail
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wtf did I miss, damn lol

shrewd sphinx
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they turn fast, bite quick and unless you run into a dinos face they can't hit you as you buzz over them

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my flock and I go on juvi killing sprees and find as many juvi deinos as we can along with whatever other sub adult/juvi carni we run across

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the lucky ones get fed for a while

hoary dawn
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ptera is the most fun thing to kill your own as

honest sparrow
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Ptera is just fun in general to kill shit with

short jewel
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Yeah and tenonto

short jewel
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Ptera IS weak, but the most fun of all the roster to play as

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And thats the important thing imo

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:)

shrewd sphinx
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it's weak when you look at bite force and being able to take a hit but used right and you're the terror of the skys

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until Quetz...

short jewel
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Like i said before, if you have a bit of experience and u use it right then you know what u can kill

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Yeah quetzal

shrewd sphinx
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i'd rather see like a different flyers

short jewel
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Tbh i think quetzal will be an carno, cera of the skyes

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Wont have the same power like apexes

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But he will be the apex of the skys

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And thats freaking cool

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Lol

shrewd sphinx
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Possible

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just single gulp juvis of all dinos,

short jewel
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I would like to have anurognathus

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The flying hypsi

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Heh

shrewd sphinx
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and up to full adults for things like hyps, Utah..and such

short jewel
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But smaller lol

hoary dawn
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flying hypsi but the size of a hypsi's head

short jewel
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Yes

shrewd sphinx
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I wouldn't mind seeing like the Dawinoptrix or the Tape

limber hull
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a flying herbi would be cool imo. Even a gliding herbi would be sick

hoary dawn
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tupa

honest sparrow
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Tupa my beloved

shrewd sphinx
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or Tropo

short jewel
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Tupa isnt herbivore but it will be so cool

hoary dawn
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fruit man

short jewel
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Well its a game so i cant expect anything lol

urban flax
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I'd like a small flyer built for pack hunting
How big is dimorphodon ?

short jewel
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Gtg cya fellas

shrewd sphinx
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Tupandactylus would also be fun

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Dimorphs are like.. the size of cats

urban flax
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So basically compy-siezd

shrewd sphinx
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Mm little bigger maybe small dog

urban flax
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Yeah that's a little too small, I thought it was bigger
Now I understand why people mass-downvoted the last dimorphodon suggestion I saw

honest sparrow
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Pterosaurs are hard when it comes to niches tbh

shrewd sphinx
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it's about 3.3 ft long with a 4.5 ft wing spawn

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so not small really

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you'd be looking at something the size of a medium dog nose to tail with a wing span the average size of like an 4 year old child.. or so

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instead of a Quetz. i'd like to see a Azhdarchidae Pterosaur the Arambourgiania

urban flax
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Considering pstera is already considered tiny, that's still hard to make interesting

shrewd sphinx
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it'd be larger to scale

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now that.. is a large flyers. lol. It would need to be taller than the rex by almost twice

honest sparrow
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Aram is just quetz but more like a stick, it, quetz, or hatz all fill the role, but quetz is the one being worked on so I doubt we’ll see the other 2

shrewd sphinx
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YAh Quetz has been around since.. 2015

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wonder if they're redo it do be Quetz Northropi or Quetz Sp.

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The Q North was about the size of a Cessna 172 light aircraft

jade haven
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probably northropi

shrewd sphinx
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go big or go home

jade haven
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^

shrewd sphinx
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If they did put it in flying is going to be...interesting

urban flax
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@tired wagon Allo did not swing its head like a hatchet, ask the paleonerds

umbral linden
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so anyone get pissed off at all the inter species teaming? official AU #1 had 3 steggos, 2 tentos, 3 raptors and 2 deinos all full grown camping pond, please do some thing about it, ruins the experience for everyone.

silver blaze
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@lapis tree your suggestion makes no sense you say you want it's attacks to be realistic but it didn't hatchet bite that's just not realistic at all

urban flax
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Allo pinning only things smaller than Utah ? This is completely useless
Especially if you want something realistic, Allo was a big game hunter

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Even Utah can pin bigger things than Allo if it's made that way

dapper terrace
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@desert tendon https://youtu.be/uJYnnnqwA6Q

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The Isle News Updates: Burrow Making and Information, Deino Calls a...

Finally done! Sorry it took so long, I had to sort through Amarok's stream first since I had already started it. Filipe's was much, MUCH easier to manage since his music is so low. I actually had to turn my bgm way down to ensure he can still be heard.

Most of the video is attempting to test and see how their current idea for burrowing will wor...

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If you've been following developed you'd know that the Devs are trying the exact thing you're asking for

desert tendon
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i did not know this was a thing

worn pumice
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for the people asking for realistic "axe attack" allo

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no

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thats not realistic anymore

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idk if u guys just watched the BBC doc on allo and made the suggestion or u saw it somewhere else but go ask the paleo people

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allo doesn't slam its its head like that

barren zephyr
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tics could be a good way to combat afk growing

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eg hiding in grass or a bush too long gets you ticks and if you fail to remove them you will die

urban flax
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That's quite stupid tho

worn pumice
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wait death by ticks?

urban flax
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How would a dino die to ticks ? Assuming they can pierce their scales...

worn pumice
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i think cosmetically or visually getting ticks

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and then havig to remove them would be interesting

barren zephyr
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as an idle

worn pumice
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^

urban flax
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Not really
I don't see the appeal in having ticks tbh

barren zephyr
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I'd like more varied idles

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depending on your situation

worn pumice
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thats the only way i can see the ticks being used in a decent setting

barren zephyr
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it rained and you have feathers and the rain has stopped?
shake the water off! (idle, you wont have to force it)

limber hull
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holy shit bodies on the coast is way better than dino AI tbh

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it requires you to move to an actual biome for certain foodstuffs, thus making there more likely for carni interaction

urban flax
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Bodies on the coast is lame
Does legacy AI encourage player interaction ? Because that's the same thing

limber hull
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fair, but at the same time, at least the food is locational

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in legacy, it's kind of wherever the fuck you need it

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with this, you have to actively make the journey to the coast to obtain this foood

urban flax
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Evrima AI will be locational too

mossy horizon
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bodies on the coast should be somewhat rare tbh if it does concern pvp interaction
it should be a journey that is not always guaranteed that is for sure

hasty dagger
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Imagine shipwrecks with merc bodies inside PogBlue

molten tulip
tired wagon
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It did tho

urban flax
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No, the theory was debunked

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Swinging your head like that is the best way to break your neck

tired wagon
swift dew
worn pumice
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most of them are not up to date

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paleontology changes constantly as new fossils are found

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most of these sources are out of date or their using their own personal opinion or just using the popular BBC axe head bite which is now out of date

past dune
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Guys, let’s discuss semi-aquatic herbivores that can potentially and essentially be added to Evrima

swift dew
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minmi

past dune
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variants perhaps?

worn pumice
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beipi

swift dew
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well beipi is an omnivore

barren zephyr
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@frozen kayak

no.

It would get abused TI_HypsiShrug

barren zephyr
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it just happens to eat fish sometimes TI_HypsiShrug

swift dew
tepid gate
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The theory with the hatchet bite is rather easily disproven due to the fact that you'd need an ideal size of the target to pull that off, if it's too big it's not going to work. If it's too small it's also not going to work. Aside from that there are issues with smashing the jaw into something as a method of attack in the first place. Not to mention - Allo's jaws weren't weak by any stretch of the imagination, unlike what you say in your feedback. The whole thing with Allo having lion's biteforce is currently considered very much outdated. Allosauroids have some of the most stress-resistant skulls among the theropods being outgunned in that department only by megalosaurs and tyrannosaurs.@tired wagon

You might want to watch this to get an idea of what the potential issues with that hypothesis are:

https://youtu.be/j6E-mGjgk8g?t=1008

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worn pumice
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is stegosaurus head hitbox bugged?

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it seems either bugged or too large

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thise bite was a headshot even though its clearly biting the body

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the max i could see would be the neck

swift dew
mossy horizon
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death of kermit

urban flax
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@barren zephyr How would sucho not run away from a deino ?

barren zephyr
worn pumice
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why would sucho need a flesh grazing ability?

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it can run from deino on land

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and its a wader

urban flax
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And deino isn't ?

worn pumice
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deino is slower then stego

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sucho can most def run from it

barren zephyr
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It’s just to prevent the sucho of legacy where it dominates most Dino’s but then just dies to apex’s

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Cause if a Rex or giga sees it, it’s basically dead. And if it retreats to the water. A deino would clap him in the water anyways. So your basically hoping there are no deinos in the water or any apex’s on land

worn pumice
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whos to say sucho wont be faster then apexes?

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we dont know any numbers and all animations r WIP

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also due to there not being crouching ambush speed every dino has a set speed and if ur faster u'll live

barren zephyr
worn pumice
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ofc i doubt its gonna be 50 km/h but we the dinosaur is not out

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and we dont have any looks on the animations

barren zephyr
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Animations don’t make speed

worn pumice
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they absolutely do

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the speed and animation have to match

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they go with each other

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just wait till sucho actually gets sum details shown about it

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we dont know anything about how it will perform in evrima so its best to wait and see how the devs approach it

barren zephyr
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I’m just saying sucho is a slow animal and isn’t meant to outrun things

steep warren
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Dose Sucho have a running animation that they have shown?

worn pumice
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it is but thats why it has water to help it

worn pumice
swift dew
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if we get 5 ton sucho (which I kinda hope we do) it can definitly fight an acro

worn pumice
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acro should have the upperhand tho

urban flax
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I'm pretty sure a sucho could hold its ground against a Deino too

barren zephyr
worn pumice
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if were getting 5 ton sucho

urban flax
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Or at least survive long enough to get away

swift dew
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like, 5 ton sucho is no joke

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but our acro is probably 15 tons with how much chonk it has

barren zephyr
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Sucho has size, and some power

worn pumice
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acro would still outperform sucho even if it is 5 tons

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sucho is mainly a fisher and defender if that makes sense although if it sees a sub deino it'l prolly kill it

barren zephyr
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It’s just unrealistic for a sucho to outrun a giga

swift dew
worn pumice
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realism shouldnt be brought as an argument

swift dew
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its not like the thing was built for speed, it was built for hunting sauropods

barren zephyr
worn pumice
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i rly dont wanna tackle sucho speed as nothing has been given about it so theres no reason to talk about it

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its all guessing

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sucho could be faster then rex who knows

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also we dont know if sucho can dive or not

barren zephyr
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Fair enough, but I’m using legacy’s speed as a perspective of how fast it will be since things mostly stay the same speed as legacy for the most part

worn pumice
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pls dont ever use legacy lol

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legacy is the definition of how to not balance dinosaurs

barren zephyr
worn pumice
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speed stats in legacy r bad too

swift dew
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seems legit

worn pumice
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speed is just as bad in legacy if not worse then the other balance issues

barren zephyr
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Thank you

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It’s just facts, it’s not outrunning a giga

worn pumice
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we dont know that

barren zephyr
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They could make it faster but then it wouldn’t be sucho

worn pumice
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we dont know gigas speed we dont know suchos speed and we have 0 details on both em rn

barren zephyr
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Sucho is the stronger and slow one while bary is the faster but weaker one

worn pumice
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yes

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but we dont know how slow

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best to wait

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no conformation on that

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ur not dev

barren zephyr
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It’s not gonna be faster than giga just facts

worn pumice
worn pumice
barren zephyr
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If they made sucho faster than a apex then bary would be pointless

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Then sucho would just become better bary

urban flax
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Unless bary is faster than sucho
Or has another ability

swift dew
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wahhh? if allo runs faster than giga does it just make it a better utah?

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I do not understand how sucho running faster than giga makes it bary

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if bary is going to be faster than everything on there except carno

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but ok

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you do you I guess

gritty helm
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I do not see how a sucho wouldn't be able to fight against a Deino but I do think Sucho should be in the weight range of having to fear being lunged by a adult Deino

tired wagon
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sucho should be able to be lunged, but it should also be able to fight it off

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maybe do like a judo kick or something

honest sparrow
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Any grapple between a deino and a larger animal like sucho should be a stam battle

chrome remnant
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Desync has nothing to do with settings @dark spruce

honest sparrow
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To not get dragged to Brazil

chrome remnant
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Nice try tho

dark spruce
gritty helm
# honest sparrow Any grapple between a deino and a larger animal like sucho should be a stam batt...

I can agree with that but if Sucho was to be added rn I think putting it at a flat 4 tons until that tug of war mechanic was added would be fine tbh. it would be heavy and presumably strong enough to fight off Deino's without too much fear of them but if it goes against a fully grown Deino it would have to fear being lunged and dragged into the abyss. once that tug of war mechanic is added it could always just get a weight increase

feral solstice
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Are you talking about adding sucho before or after the tug-of-war mechanic?

chrome remnant
honest sparrow
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@pseudo falcon the affinity system was scrapped a while back

gritty helm
chrome remnant
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Like how people will say theyre lagging bc their framerate drops. Not correct usage but thats how people do

honest sparrow
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Also stress debuffs being akin to bob make me want to die

paper oriole
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Predators mixpacking to kill people is toxic and annoying as fuck but i don't think giving dinos heart attacks and destroying their stam is a good way to fix it

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It can be abused by a smaller predator shadowing a slower large one to apply the debuff, then the pack swoops in to kill it

honest sparrow
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^stealth radar too

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Oh your dino is stressed? Something else is in the area, time to go

paper oriole
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Yeah it could punish stalkers and ruin hunts

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All around stress systems are abusable unfortunately

feral solstice
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I doubt there’s an actually function-able way to prevent mixpacking without it ruining fun and other gameplay.

paper oriole
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It will just have to be discouraged by a mix of the diet system and moderation probably

hoary dawn
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there is no way to completely get rid of it without doing something stupid

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mechanics to disuade it are the best option

paper oriole
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Unless the devs have some galaxy brain plan to solve it that we don't know of

feral solstice
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I’d say that’s the most healthy bet to preventing mix packing

paper oriole
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Depends on how strict carni diets are as well

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And how many species have overlapping diets

feral solstice
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Oh definitely

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Utah’s and Carnos facing smalls, suddenly coming face-to-face with each-other. Damn the possibilities.

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But I’m genuinely curious. Would Utah and Carno have a dietary path that’s similar to each other?

honest sparrow
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Carno is a small game specialist and Utah is more of a pack bunting generalist, so Utah would eat some of the stuff carno eats, but carno would probably have a more restricted diet, as well as utah being on that list

feral solstice
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I see.

pseudo falcon
# honest sparrow <@!219347549264412673> the affinity system was scrapped a while back

I had no clue it was scrapped. That's depressing. And yeah I see what you mean by it's abuseable. I do feel like it's better try to and resolve the potential missues of it rather than dismissing the stress proposal though. Ways to prevent abuse would possibly be by making it dependent on whether you can see them or not. And the whole player abusing it by just hanging around you to stress your dino out, I feel like stress would only ensue if the player neglects to take action by either running away or trying to kill the thing that would start to cause it stress. I don't think that the abusibility of it in that sense is really that big an issue as the whole point of it is to try to get people to chase of people trying to mix pack or run away themselves. The game should hopefully be balanced enough to allow for one of those two options to be viable.

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like I'm not going to worry about the people who have to try soooo hard to abuse a mechanic like this when the mechanic has been intentionally been made difficult to abuse and not even that rewarding

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as bearing in mind the person who would try to cause someone stress would also become stressed themselves

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and to prevent the whole stealth radar even further I would say that if they're hidden enough in a bush than they wouldn't cause stress even if you looked at the bush. And it's not like stress would happen particularly fast anyways. Would probably mostly serve as a small reminder that would hopefully influence people to try to avoid mix packs

urban flax
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There's a big flaw with the stress mechanic
Either it's a little debuff and it won't discourage mixpacks
Either it's too much of a debuff, will make the entire game experience unenjoyable and won't discourage mixpacks

honest sparrow
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^

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There are other solutions such as mechanics that encourage dispersal and other ways to have fun, as well as moderation

urban flax
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@tight oxide What's the difference between decent damage and good injury ?

tight oxide
urban flax
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You should precise that in your suggestion

tight oxide
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ok

tight oxide
urban flax
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Yes it's easier to understand

swift dew
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while It make sense for deino to have a tail attack, I wouldn't want deino to have very many good attacks on land, because I want to keep them in the water

urban flax
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Those 2 reasons are why I didn't put a check nor an X

tight oxide
urban flax
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It has its op alt-bite though

tight oxide
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ik i hope thats nerfed

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they can regen stam while spamming alt bite which is just why

urban flax
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Yeah, I hope it gets nerfed too

honest sparrow
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So deino but smaller and has more land mobility

urban flax
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Why do people want so many more crocs ? Prestosuchus, kaprosuchus, purrusaurus, sarcosuchus, and now proterosuchus...
For some reason when people buy a dino game, they want to play crocs in it
Crocs are so damn boring compared to dinosaurs

honest sparrow
urban flax
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They like them too much

honest sparrow
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Yeah, but there’s only really 2 types of crocs, sit and wait kind, and land croc, we already got 1 covered and the other niches for land croc could be covered by current confirmed playables

glacial quest
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same tbh, it's weird that people like crocs so much

barren zephyr
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What

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Blood splatter when u eat a corpse?

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nah and i'm not sure they will add it in gore update

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probably will but it can be done now

hybrid matrix
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@knotty zodiac @mint sonnet anything specific about my suggestion that you dont like? or do u not like the idea as a whole?

hybrid matrix
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@carmine path no feedback for me?

carmine path
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I like the idea but there are a few things I don’t like as much.

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Such as

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The everytime you move you take stam debuff. Well you don’t necessarily need water to carry oxygen around your body. The dizziness is a good idea but the dehydration debuffs should revolve around things such as heatstroke or inabilities to maintain a proper core temperature.

hybrid matrix
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actually

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both the things u said are why i decided on debuffing stamina

carmine path
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Might wanna list the reason and causes to make it more apparent

hybrid matrix
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k

tawny juniper
hybrid matrix
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aight i gotta go call my relatives

carmine path
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Cya Derptah

hybrid matrix
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bye

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im back and ready to discuss my suggestion

knotty zodiac
# hybrid matrix <@!163798623707070464> <@!316104950365159441> anything specific about my suggest...

Overall not Needed, especially the downsides, compared to normal Hunger being completely gone its better the way it is, without adding in Maluses that practically disable you to be able to find food in the Time left. also the possible suggestion of ''Possible addition to starvation is that once you are at -25% hunger you start to drool and your saliva can be used to track you??''
Not needed either, or should say rather that it over complicates what we currently already got to track things, and makes you more a target (also don't think from a Nature point of view that thats realistic.)

Thats all im going to say on it without getting into a major discussion, if it where something where you reach 0 Food and get more Time until dmg is taken from Starvation and you die from it, then id have agreed for the most part as currently very harsh in part.. but what ever 😅

hybrid matrix
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but anyway

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i know u dont wanna get into a big discussion so ima just respond to a few of ur points

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First of all, making starvation harsher encourages riskier decisions, such as, "Do I risk attacking that thing? Or do i risk starving?"
making that a tougher decision makes the game grittier, which is what we want
the game is supposed to be hard

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if you let urself reach starvation, u deserve to pay

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second of all, i designed it so that you have more than enough time to try and find food b4 the heavier debuffs set in
i think it only becomes almost impossible to recover once you reach -50%

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and even then, you still have a chance

swift dew
# tawny juniper What's the affinity system

it was a system that basically gave you things to do such as rub your horns on a tree, for special growth buff or something, it also had stress mechanics like get away from theses rexes or you will get a debuff. its been scrapped fortunatly since debuffs like that can be easily abuseable

mossy shore
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can someone tell me which channel you ping punch on?

tawny juniper
hybrid matrix
mossy shore
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ye

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ik

hybrid matrix
mossy shore
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just wanted to know for future preference

hybrid matrix
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k

glacial quest
solar shell
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How important must a question be . To be able to ping punch?

swift dew
glacial quest
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||someone ask him about the dryo burrows because i'm scared 🙂 ||

swift dew
glacial quest
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says it will on the roadmap

jade schooner
# glacial quest https://discord.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/8475769429867...

No, colour gate is not the ideal. That's why I don't mention it (sort of)
The only ones I feel should be sort of gated would be the melanistic and albino palette, being a fixed colours + the red eyes (for albino) and the strong yellow/deep black eyes(for melanistic). Only because they're a desired thing and both from dev and community opinion those two have been sort of a... controversial opinion. One because albino is you basically walking around like a flashlight, so kinda like hard mode (I don't like the idea of becoming albino because of cannibalism or as a debuff). And melanistic you're basically a shadow walking about, and have a boost in the night against predators. So yea

jade schooner
swift dew
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they have said multiple times dryo wont burrow, it doesn't need it

solar shell
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@swift dew I see

swift dew
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but it might be able to enter a burrow, it cant create its own

jade schooner
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I'm pretty sure dryo burrowing in legacy was a placeholder to test the ability

glacial quest
swift dew
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it was

swift dew
# glacial quest

yes, but they have said dryo wont create burrows multiple times already. it also doesn't need it

jade schooner
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They should change that. Burrowing dryo doesn't make sense

glacial quest
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i believe you, i'm just saying that the roadmap is wrong

swift dew
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fair enough

glacial quest
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and i was responding to quiro when he asked if it really said that

ionic arch
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Eww pfp

glacial quest
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shame about burrowing removal though, felt like that made the dryo really unique and fun

jade schooner
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pfp¡

ionic arch
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TI_Gross Future TM pfp

jade schooner
swift dew
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everything on here should be able to enter a burrow, but only a few. like proto, minmi, taco, and homa. should be able to create them

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honest sparrow
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(It could also just be that Dryo is able to hide in a burrow and claim it as its own, instead of burrowing itself)

swift dew
jade schooner
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also: we need a natural in-map burrow system (kinda like a cave system). So many smaller dinos can access, but also a couple smaller ones be able to create temporary ones. That's my thought

ionic arch
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I hope so

swift dew
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what is compy going to do?

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look at them funny?

jade schooner
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(Why did people write PATH on my suggestion? Does it already do such a thing?)

jade schooner
vestal rune
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ye I really don't dryo should be creating burrows, they just need to remake its dodge and make it slower than utah and it's golden

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dryo should be the ultimate juker

glacial quest
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i've never used the dodge, but i get the feeling it doesn't do much 😅

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unless it's got iframes or something

swift dew
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it doesn't, it takes like a full second to get started and kills all your momentum. and no, it doesn't have iframes

jade schooner
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Sounds very shitty

vestal rune
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ye it's only useful in very specific situations

glacial quest
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it takes like a full second to get started and kills all your momentum
yeah this is the problem

jade schooner
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Both Hypsi and Dryo need a rework for their abilities

glacial quest
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it'd be ace if it was instant and didn't kill momentum, then you could realistically juke with it

vestal rune
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the dodge could probably just be a sudden burst of speed in a direction according to your directional keys, it doesn't need to be complex

swift dew
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you can still juke carnos so hard their ankles fly back to legacy without it though

vestal rune
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ye dryo can already dodge without the ability, but the ability should really be complimenting that properly, dryo should be the king of dodging

ionic arch
ionic arch
jade schooner
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huh

glacial quest
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PoT?

jade schooner
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didn't know

ionic arch
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What the- who doesn't know PoT

jade schooner
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I mean, I know the game, but idk what it has

vestal rune
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I don't think unlocking skins should be part of a PoT-esque fetch system

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I think it should just be part of the elder perk system

jade schooner
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I mean, I don't think there should be a "do this" kind of goal every time you log in. Just a fun challenge, per dino

But also with the elder system

honest sparrow
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skins should be unlocked in game by default or by elder imo

jade schooner
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(Also I don't mean every skin, we need to have a pattern roster to be available from the start)

vestal rune
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ye I think there should be default patterns and colours and "prestige" patterns and colours unlocked through the elder system

glacial quest
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a mix of both would be fine, too

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out of, say, 10 skins patterns, 5 would be pre-unlocked, 4 would be achievement-unlocked and 1 would be elder-unlocked (please don't lock colors i'll die)

ionic arch
glacial quest
paper oriole
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RNG legbreak should never return

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They have a fracture system coming, just give pachy good fracture infliction that stacks fast

still raptor
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Rng is a terrible game design with these types of survival games

paper oriole
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Yeah its lazy and unfair

lapis tree
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What’s RNG stand for

vestal rune
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I remember when most dinos had an rng chance of bonebreak, most fights were just based on rng, it was terrible

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random number generation

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basically when you do something there's an X% of something happening

paper oriole
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Plus if pachy relies on rng to disable a predator who is faster while also having low hp himself he is unviable

still raptor
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Oh firefish already said it

paper oriole
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Pachy should be a brawler with decent hp and bleed resistance, not the bs bloodbag legacy pachy + rng reliance

still raptor
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I find rng best used with player/loot spawns.

paper oriole
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Basically the only applicable use of rng is loot and similar shit yep

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Ottherwise it is just irritating

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Upvoting your own suggestion TI_Yikes

tawny juniper
hoary dawn
paper oriole
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Wait is that how skins work in BoB or what

jade schooner
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I got told the thing I said was a thing in Path of Titans as well XD
Didn't know they had something like it

paper oriole
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I know path of titans has something like collect some acorns and you can unlock a skin and then you need to unlock the customization for it but i don't really know much about BoB skin customization except it's filled with eyebleeding glowing neon and black and white zebra dinos

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Which isnt something i'm suggesting of course

gritty helm
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you can nest in and get a specific skin im pretty sure

honest sparrow
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^

paper oriole
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Oh hmn

honest sparrow
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In bob your skin is a mixed pattern/coloration of your parents

paper oriole
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Doesn’t seem like a bad feature though i think

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To unlock it permanently in customization as a reward for growing up with it

quiet estuary
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I think unlockable skins shouldnt be tied to random chance, but be more unlockable via harder to achieve 100% drop rate things

For example if the game ever has achievements those can be a great way to get some more exclusive skins. Or something interesting like doing something as a merc like finding a image of a certian species with a unique pattern on a computer device gives you that unique pattern to that animal as a customization option. And being nested can allow you to use these skins your parents may have but if you want to use them outside of nesting you need to do the unique things to get them properly yourself.

paper oriole
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randomized stats and elder death timers directly affects gameplay so no thanks

honest sparrow
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I can't even understand what the suggestion is tbh

paper oriole
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i think he wants to replace strains with a more complex version of the elder system? idk

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if somebody doesn't like strains, some servers will have them disabled since disabling strains, humans etc is planned as an option in the future

honest sparrow
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like yeah in irl individuals vary but that doesn't mean leaving rng to buff someone or nerf someone

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it be a game

paper oriole
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varied stats, if they happened, should relate directly to the players' actions and not be up to chance

hoary dawn
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rng especially on something like stats is a nono

paper oriole
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like yeah for something that affects gameplay it should be up to the player

honest sparrow
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diets take that idea and apply it to the game basically

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eat the right stuff and you get a growth boost

paper oriole
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a person's playstyle while growing or after a while as adult dictating heightened and lowered stats can be nice but having the game just say "fuck you, you are slower because nature" is lame

honest sparrow
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^

paper oriole
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i think dondi mentioned somethig like that at some point

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idk if its something that is planned tho

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i know i heard it in a stream before though

ionic arch
wild stone
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Your dinosaur's stats, including your growth rate, will not be different based on a literal random number generator, they will be different because of the variable circumstances of your playthrough. For example, you may find on your first 3 playthroughs of Carnotaurus that growing is very difficult, but on the fourth playthrough you may get lucky and consistently find your ideal prey item just before you begin to starve, and your growth rate will not tick down since you successfully maintained a satisfactory level of nourishment by meeting/exceeding dietary needs, and keeping your dinosaur content.

The variables used to determine your growth rate should not be random or hidden from the player. They should be based on factors that the player encounters in the world through their life cycle. It may still be perceived as unfair, since not every Deinosuchus will have a chance to satisfy its needs if it's sharing a waterway with 30 other individuals all competing for the same resources. But it will at least be consistent and make sense in the context of the game.

It would be really stupid if I satisfied all the necessary requirements through my life cycle, but then some AFK grower skipped a 2 hour growth penalty by random chance, and grew faster than I did.

glacial quest
wild stone
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The circumstances may dictate that some playthroughs are more difficult than others, but my dinosaur should not be punished "for variety" or other whims. It should be punished for failing to meet certain requirements, and rewarded for exceeding those requirements.

paper oriole
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yeah i dont want to put actual effort into growing just for some idiot who AFKed in a bush to beat me up because they got lucky and got a strength buff

ionic arch
glacial quest
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...ok

ionic arch
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To be an Elder it'll definitely take 2-3 times (probably more) longer than growing it to adult

past dune
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man being an elder near your limits must suck

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it will affect your movement, health, signt, diet and everything

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only thing you can do is try to raise your “next generation”

glacial quest
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didn't they hint at it having a last-stand or something

glacial quest
wild stone
mint sonnet
# hybrid matrix <@!163798623707070464> <@!316104950365159441> anything specific about my suggest...

Nyello I was asleep when u pinged me ha
Uhhh at first I was intruiged by your idea but its just way too heavy handed.
You'd be spending way too much time 'dying' with no way out of it and that's quite boring and pointless.

This is a game, you have to skip over or simplify aspects of realism to make it enjoyable.

Instead it'd probably be better to have your stamina just depleat/have its full capacity lowered until its empty, and you then do the whole 'fall asleep forever' thing. And once you get to your stam bar locking at lower capacities, your hunger bar capacity could maybe lower as well. Cause your stomach shrunk.

glacial quest
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I agree that perks should never add to hard combat stats like damage and health, and should only offer tradeoffs for playstyle specialization

dreamy wharf
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@wild stone I really like the step you took away from sheer stat changes for perks, however, you're slotting in something that shouldn't necessarily be something that utah can do well.

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Because it allows for players to just slot in for a climbing perk rather than actually play herrera, since that's just how player mentality goes. Bigger = better if they can relatively do the same thing.

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Instead of something like tree climbing, why not something else that could be a proper side grade for his pounce?

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For instance, maybe a sortof pounce variant that is super quick, grabs, and applies drag?

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Or a pounce that is locational damage specific? For instance a pounce that might do very small amounts of damage, but, it allows you to open up armored targets?

wild stone
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No, I agree that no utah should be able to climb particularly well compared to small critters like herrerasaurus, but if Herrerasaurus is literally going to sleep in trees, it would be cool if there were a predator that could reach them, and I think utah is a good candidate since they have a climbing ability showcased in their concept art.

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I just thought it would be interesting if some raptors had a climbing advantage, if even a small one, that other raptors did not have. It would really make you pay attention as a small, arboreal critter, to notice when predators are around you.

honest sparrow
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I really wish juvis and maybe subs were the ones that climbed, giving them a viable escape option and providing a somewhat decent threat againt herras

wild stone
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It's meant to afford solo utah players some adaptability if they aren't able to locate large prey items. But once they make the choice, they would be stuck with it. I don't mean I want to see utahs in the tops of trees. I just want them to have the option to hunt smalls better.

valid elk
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Thoughts on mosasaur stuff?

honest sparrow
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the gums?

valid elk
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Ye

cyan flame
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I think the worry here is that people might just play utah instead of herrera. While the sentiment that they should hunt herreras and other things in the trees isn't bad, the question is if people will play for that, and not to have a bigger, stronger, and potentially just as effective arboreal hunter. Unless there's something in how they attack from the trees that would still make herrera the arboreal hunter and utahs just being able to hunt something resting on a tree branch.

wild stone
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I'm not sure I like the idea of adding additional and arbitrary pounce variants, especially if they are not visually distinctive enough for you to tell what is going to happen when a utah pounces you.

honest sparrow
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it's a neat idea I guess, if they want to they can add it, could be a neat customization option if they don't include it with the base design

wild stone
cyan flame
# wild stone Well, fall damage could be a factor, for one thing. I'm not suggesting that they...

It could. I'm sure it could be balanced, I was just pointing out that overlapping niches and stuff is good, but there has to be a distinction in how and what they do so there's still a reason to choose one over the other and all that. Could make it so utahs really can not handle fall damage (not sure that would go over well) so they always have to climb down, and are unable to actually jump/pounce/attack from heights.

wild stone
# cyan flame It could. I'm sure it could be balanced, I was just pointing out that overlappin...

I see your earlier point, but think of it this way; No one is complaining that Quetz will completely invalidate Ptera just because they can both fly and one is bigger than the other. There are clearly pros and cons to each.

And utah is already horrendously bad at handling fall damage. I think if you land a pounce, you should be able to transfer your fall damage to your prey, to a certain extent. But that's another topic.

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Just make Herrerasaurus's "drop"/pounce very different from Utah's, and make the animal much more fracture resistant. A utahraptor getting a leg fracture could be a near fatal incident, since they would be unable to use their speed advantage to escape predators or hunt anything.

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Taking this perk would not be without its own risk, in other words. You would have to become good at climbing as a player to use the perk to its maximum advantage.

cyan flame
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I do agree with Zann, perks that changes behaviour is more fun and interesting than stat changes, as long as we don't overdo it ... I'd rather not have BoB style perks you know :p And well, ptera and quetz will hopefully play very differently, so I'm not sure it's a good comparison there. True, utah has issues, and well, people dislike it, I've seen that much. I would just solve it with not letting utah have an attack from climbing. It can climb up and bite things that doesn't get away, or use it to climb down and sneak up on something, but not having an actual attack from there at all.

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But people will become good, so that's not an argument. What would the best utah vs best herrera do, is what it comes down to.

wild stone
wild stone
cyan flame
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That much is true and I do wish carni hunting was far more of actual hunting than fighting, but that's not what I meant here. Honestly I don't think utahs should be good at all at hunting in trees, it should very much be a "Hey, that thing looks afk.. maybe I should try". But I meant more so that if you're very good at herrera vs utah, could you hunt well enough from the trees that going utah would be better, or at least just as good. It's less the utah and herrera matchup and more how they match up to the things they would eventually hunt from up there.

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Hence why I'd not give utah an actual pounce/attack from up there. It can climb up, get something on a branch, traverse a bit, but always have to climb down. If both of them are sitting on the same branch, the herrera can pounce/drop from there, or just jump, onto a tenno. The utah can't, it has no attack and just jumping will lead to massive damage if not death, so if it wants the tenno, it has to climb down all the way and then try and get it.

valid elk
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Is that good?

wild stone
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It's to hunt arboreal creatures. I agree they shouldn't be pouncing from trees. I meant if they're at the top of a small cliff, for instance, they should be able to land a pounce to mitigate fall damage.

valid elk
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I still use GaiaOnline lingo

wild stone
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But a utah climbing up a tree should be able to use its jaws, still.

cyan flame
swift dew
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@idle fiber leg break is never returning, we are getting fractures instead. fractures, unlike leg break, isnt an immediate death sentence if something finds you with your hurt leg. fractures will also have multiple levels of severity ranging from low fractures which won't effect you too much, to severe fractures. also, the most important factor that fractures is removing is rng. rng is terrible in a game like this and making a creature rely on it (pachy is definitly going to be relying on fractures) is terrible

night horizon
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may i ask a question?

swift dew
night horizon
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question is anyone having issues with connecting to any server on the evrima branch. i have been all day trying to get into servers only to met with an endless loading screen only then to be took back to the main screen to get back to the server list for it. and thank you. this is very frustrating. does anyone know how to sort this out

wild stone
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@spark carbon May I ask what needs a nerf regarding the climbing perk suggestion?

swift dew
spark carbon
# wild stone <@228829031850573824> May I ask what needs a nerf regarding the climbing perk su...

Well of course, the pounce ability already has alot of counters, bucking (that basically forces you to get off in 2 secs), obstacles like trees, etc. Having it deal half the damage would make it utterly useless, especially if it's a permanent choice. I would recommend switching the ability to climb trees costing less stam to a perk you can unlock, instead of forcing you to chose one playstyle over the other

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Also the "nerf this" was a reference to D.Va, but yeah, the half damage was too much xD

wild stone
cyan flame
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Like Hippo said. You can't both give utah a proper way to climb trees and not make that tradeoff harsh. As of right now, utahs are not meant to climb at all. They can scramble up some specific logs to get out of reach, as per the concept. But that's about it. Giving them more of a proper climb, especially as adult and not just a temporary thing while growing should cost them a lot, like any other change. If such as change should even be a thing. I'm not sure how much perks should allow you to change your playables behaviour honestly.

wild stone
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Utah's pounce is currently very limited if you are a solo player, but quite powerful as a group. This perk would allow you to play to your size advantage over smalls, while sacrificing your latching pretty much entirely.

spark carbon
wild stone
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It seems we're approaching this with different design philosophies.

cyan flame
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Then you'd have to nerf the critter in general Luma.

spark carbon
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Probably 😅

wild stone
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What about you, @lapis tree ? Any way I could win over your ✅ ?

barren zephyr
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@hexed karma

I would be snarky and say leave, but i won’t.

your post wasnt constructive and didn’t provide any “feedback”

cyan flame
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@wild stoneYou know. I'd rather work on maybe modifying how the pounce works, such as distance, or maybe a "hit the ground running" style with the power/bleed tradeoff, that might work better with hunting smaller stuff on your own (that wouldn't require the full strength of a normal pounce) vs the usually more powerful pounce that has punishments if you miss it and all that.

lapis tree
wild stone
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As long as each perk is a separate branch and they don't mingle.

wild stone
hexed karma
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@barren zephyr How about it looks like a fucking slideshow while I run through the woods as Utahraptor from all the rubber banding. Not to mention I landed like 500m from a carno last night as ptera and it tped me in front of him...

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Shits laggy can't describe it any other way.

lapis tree
wild stone
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How would you like it changed?

hoary dawn
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and the "or I leave" at the end was just funny

paper oriole
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Oh nooo one person who already bought the game might leave while servers are laggy, how will the isle survive???

hoary dawn
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holding myself hostage until the devs fix their game

barren zephyr
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instead of complaining, try to provide ways to fix it that maybe the developers haven’t thought of

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almost every “suggestion” these days is “lag fix plz” and honestly…. can you even call it a suggestion? TI_HypsiShrug

sonic mural
paper oriole
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Good merc weapons are supposedly going to be hard to find and maintain, it isnt't too much of an issue if they have some PvP oriented quests or bounties, for example being encouraged to cull an overpopulated species to harvest their dna or parts and discouraged from targeting underpopulated ones, even if it's not a straightforward quest

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Mercs can be one of multiple factors in place to help control megapacks and generally unbalanced rosters

limber hull
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i much prefer the concept of moving carefully through a forest, getting jumped and everyone opening fire in response out of fear.

paper oriole
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Well i mean that can happen too but encouraging some ecosystem correction also doesn't hurt

limber hull
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i understand the strong would be nice, but I'd prefer self-defence over wanting to go out and murder everything

paper oriole
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Mercs can have a mix of both Maintenance quests, tagging quests and culling overpopulated species

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It makes things more interesting to have variety

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Mercs could choose not to seek out the PvP objectives, they would only be encouraged to do them

limber hull
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culling sounds... eh. Like you join a server and whoops! Looks like I joined as a raptor and there are a lot of raptors. Now I'm on some hitlist without knowing

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it feels bad for the dino

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you're punishing it for picking a character the player likes by making it on a hitlist

paper oriole
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No different than being on a predator's diet requirements, that is basically a hitlist in a different way

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Humans are slower and once spotted are likely to be easy pickings, they are glass cannons

limber hull
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perhaps, but in that regard, the predator has to at least get into combat range

paper oriole
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Is it more fair to be ambushed and oneshot by a large predator before you can react?

limber hull
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the best i see for this is egg collection over dino elims. Egg collection is much more interesting as it adds the egg as a "package" to be returned to base and would naturally require skill, combat and/or stealth to swipe the egg and survive the parent.

paper oriole
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And i doubt a merc is going to oneshot you 90% of the time they land a shot

limber hull
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i.e. they want an egg to test on, so you have to go grab it

paper oriole
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There can be that too, but still no real reason not to encourage some PvP, it isn't forced

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There can be quests to repair shit, collect dropoffs, collect DNA through lethal or nonlethal means, collect eggs, implant chips in unchipped dinos, cull overpopulated species, a lot of things

limber hull
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especially since, imo, the dino elim would either need to target carnivores or would fuck over herbis, as herbis do not have the tools to close gaps in combat as they are naturally defensively designed. Carnivores could at least respond in time

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im not saying that herbivores being defensive is bad, because it's very good for their specific playstyle, but it would make any combat with mercs very very hard and frustrating

paper oriole
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Most merc weapons are probably not going to be dangerous enough for large slow animals to worry much, and those animals are very rarely populated enough to even warrant a bounty

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I doubt you’re gonna shoot a stego in the side with a rifle and destroy it lol

limber hull
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eh, im still not sold on it. You can enable pvp without forcing it, and I feel like more objectives should be more like potential catalysts for combat rather than straightup hitlists

paper oriole
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It isnt forcing it though?? It's just an option

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Like nesting is an option, or elder is an option

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You aren't forced to do it

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There is a big difference between being forced to do something and being incentivized to do it

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Mercs are going to shoot slow dinos for fun if they have the ability to anyway it's how players are

limber hull
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right, but if your goal is to kill a Rex vs repair a station, most people are going to want to just get all their best shit and fucking demolish a Rex over walking to some station. If you make killing dinos an objective, then you need to provide the tools in order to consistently do so, shifting the lethal power of mercs higher

paper oriole
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Not if killing a rex isnt nearly as easy as repairing the station lmao

limber hull
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stand on a high hill

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fire down

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rex cannot jump nor fly

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there are several clifffaces that would be perfect for this

paper oriole
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And if the map is overcrowded with rexes it is a good riddance, who wants an apex plague

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If mercs are capable ot just standing somewhere high and shooting a rex they will do it regardless

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And i doubt they can just pop a few caps in a rex's ass and call it done, if the rex is running away it would be very hard to land a headshot on it while it's in the open

limber hull
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right, but if you don't have killing Rexes as an objective, then naturally you won't have the weapons or tools to do so, since the game never will tell you to do it and thus, will never give you ammo or tools with the expectation of rex killing. If the game does have you, at some point, having an objective to kill rexes, then it needs to follow up by giving you sufficient ammo to do so

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otherwise you give people an impossible objective for no reason

paper oriole
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The devs said good weapons are HARD to come by, not impossible

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And again, players could choose to skip the quest

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How is that hard to understand?

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It is a choice

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Not forced

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Plus there will be servers with no mercs on them anyway

limber hull
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as well as this, it is in my opinion that in a game dominated by CQC, having an objective of a long ranged class to take out these short range classes leads to an uninteresting and frustrating combat scenario where one team takes potshots from vantage points and the other team either has to run, hide, approach as fast as they can with the hope of actually reaching the target, or die.

In the situation where the long-range class feels that their ammo is precious and should not be wasted on taking random potshots at unaware dinos, rather killing those who actively would be aggressive or stand in their ways, it creates a dynamic that feels better for both sides

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in my opinion, mercs should be hesitant to engage any potential hostile dino, trying more to sneak around it or distract it, fighting if necessary

hoary dawn
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test level sandbox would be nice to see again

zealous violet
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for sure! Its nice to feel out a dino first before taking the time to actually play it. Found out the hard way that i dont really like stego at the moment. just too boring unless theres large carnis around.

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and lets be real, teno is already kind of a horse XD

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ya'll think the devs actually read all the stuff that gets posted? I mean, theres always a lot of stuff...

hoary dawn
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i think they do, perhaps not every single suggestion, but i have noticed a couple changes i remember seeing suggested

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and ofc balancing stuff

zealous violet
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oh true! I remember someone had posted two screenshots with one being filtered for lighting and they did make an announcement about how they saw that and decided to go with the persons suggestion.

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@barren zephyr I have an idea for that that may help, but it got a bit of negative feedback when i voiced it earlier today so im trying to rework it before posting it officially on general-feedback

tall oasis
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@night coral yes

valid elk
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Why those reactions?

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That is rather rude...

barren zephyr
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I just baught The Isle!!

glad dirge
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congrats

hybrid matrix
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tyndrum

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i believe that u kno wut im about to ask u

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the ❌

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what was it for?

swift dew
carmine path
swift dew
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it wasn't sideways this time

hybrid matrix
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i figured it out

glad dirge
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oh

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uh

carmine path
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Good luck

glad dirge
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I think temperature meters should only show up in extreme environments, such as snow or hot hot desert

hybrid matrix
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its just that?

glad dirge
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like I dont wanna worry about it or have it take up hud space on regular plains

swift dew
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um... that doesn't exactly sound peaceful

glad dirge
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or jungle

hybrid matrix
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realization that i forgot to mention that

glad dirge
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or swamp, or any biome currently on spiro

carmine path
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Ah I get to die of dehydration PEACEFULLY

glad dirge
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bro I want my dino to cough and wheeze and yeet blood and then collapse into a dying animation when I die of dehydration

swift dew
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I mean, if they ever add seasons in the summer, and plains it would be cool if the temperature meter would go up, but only cap at around 20 percent or so, meaning all that would happen is that my water drains faster

hybrid matrix
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wait

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actually

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i did say that the temp would vary from place to place

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it wasnt in the file
it was in the message

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"Depending on your location your core body temp would rise faster/slower."

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ig thats not very specific tho

glad dirge
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yeah but like I dont want a temp gauge in regular environments

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make it show up only when I enter extremes

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otherwise its just there

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unless its for like deino,

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to make them bask in the sun

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or make it show up when you reach a certain temp, or even like a symbol pops up above your food/thirst cores to let you know you are hot or cold

hybrid matrix
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u wouldnt have to worry about the temperature in mild climates tho

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it would rise/fall very slowly

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i redid the suggestion

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@quiet estuary feedback?

hybrid matrix
glad dirge
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would the temp gauge be in your dinos info, and then like a little symbol flashes near your cores to tell you that youre hot, and then you can check your temp through insert?

hybrid matrix
glad dirge
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hmm... if its small, like the size of the food/thirst cores

hybrid matrix
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like a thermometer icon right above where the bleed icon normally is

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and then if ur hot it would turn orange and the meter would go up the hotter u get

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and if ur cold it would turn light blue and the meter would go up the colder u get (but it would display negative numbers

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@silver zephyr feedback?

glad dirge
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oh ye then that perfect

hybrid matrix
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@silver zephyr no feedback??

quiet estuary
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They dont serve much of a purpose outside of adding another annoying thing to deal with

hybrid matrix
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u take care of hunger, thirst, temperature, and ur babies if u have any

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just taking care of hunger and thirst leaves you with a lot of time to sit around

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if u gotta worry about ur temperature u have something to do other than sit around

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but if thats all then ok

quiet estuary
hybrid matrix
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hybrid matrix
quiet estuary
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Not at all

hybrid matrix
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so how is it annoying to try and maintain a safe temperature?

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its the same basic idea but with a different name

quiet estuary
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Not exactly

hybrid matrix
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hungry? go find food to keep ur hunger level in the green
thirsty? go find water to keep ur thirst level in the green
overheating? go find shade, mud, or water to cool off with to keep yourself in the green

glad dirge
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the difference is its another thing environmental that can kill you, like falling off a cliff you cant see, or if you accidentally get caught in a heatwave or get in a fight while slowly starting to die in the sun

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and another thing to watch and be responsible for

quiet estuary
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THe difference is food and water can lead to far more interaction with other playables than temperature which is monotomous going back in forth between shade and sunlight and wallowing

hybrid matrix
hybrid matrix
quiet estuary
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you want to be in the sun when you are in the negatives

hybrid matrix
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sure u can sit in the sun to warm up a little
but then u should go to the shade

hybrid matrix
quiet estuary
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Also to add, this is a tropical island
Your animal will most likely always be in a certian hot phase

glad dirge
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actually, I think there should be dinos more capable and hardy where they can handle the extremes. and temperature should be more for against creatures when they are in the wrong environment. Like if you were a deino in a desert, or a galli in the snow.

hybrid matrix
hybrid matrix
glad dirge
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I think temperature should only matter in the very extreme environments. Like the desert

hybrid matrix
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certain dinos are adapted for certain environments, meaning they dont heat up/cool down at the same rate as other dinos

hybrid matrix
glad dirge
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jungles, tropics, beaches, plains, etc. shouldnt dramatically effect temp

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I dont think you should die of heat in the savannah UNLESS its dry season

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sure your temp may get high, but you shouldnt die from it

hybrid matrix
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i dont mean that u'll die

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i mean that u'll have to worry about dying

glad dirge
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or dehydrate faster/etc

quiet estuary
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Imo you can do far better mechanics to make adults move around
Elders is a great way to make people actually branch out in doing other mechanics
Make certian other things like diets and nesting be a part of it
Add a heirarchy group system which was mentioned a while back with "alpha abilities"
That mechanic which was mentioned onstream once where you can do thigns which make your animal happy such as wallowing or rubbing your horns on trees giving you benefits, but if you dont do that you wont be punished

hybrid matrix
glad dirge
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yeah

hybrid matrix
quiet estuary
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if temperature mechanics were a thing, it should be akin to that last thing i mentioned with animal happiness
That way its not an annoying mechanic to deal with, but following it is still incentivized and gives benefits

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But if you werent to follow it you wouldnt be punished outside of not gaining certian benefits

hybrid matrix
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all of the ways that the environment can kill u that i suggest are tied in with diets

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cheech

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listen

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if u are in the place that has ur prefered food

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then u wont have to worry about temperature

quiet estuary
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I think people should be allowed to be in places without their preferred food
With the only major downside being your preferred food isnt there

hybrid matrix
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i mean, u will if that place is constantly out in the open, but bc ur adapted to live there it wont be much of a struggle to keep ur temperature down

hybrid matrix
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im saying that its riskier for u to be there

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and there should definitely be animals that are adapted for extreme conditions

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that way there can be small ecosystems that are closed off from imbalance

quiet estuary
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Extreme conditions should be extrme for more reasons than temp

Like a desert which was mentioned above would lack much water and vegetation

hybrid matrix
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that's kind of my point

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my starvation, dehydration, and heat exhaustion suggestions are all tied in to each other

quiet estuary
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Link your starvation and dehydration ones

hybrid matrix
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my heat exhaustion one is replying to my dehydration one and my dehydration one is replying to my starvation one

quiet estuary
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Ah wait yea

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just saw

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Real quickly, may i recommend you use google docs instead of these discord text boxes

Google docs is far more easy to go through without the constant scrolling
And can fit more things in it

hybrid matrix
quiet estuary
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Ok so let us starrt with the starvation one

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I think its pretty dumb as by the time most people reach the 50% mark I think theyll just suicide, It reminds me of suggestions of permanent injuries such a losing an eyes or bonebreak that doesnt heal. After a certian point it will jsut be more effective to regrow a new animal who wouldnt have to deal with it. Also while I enjoy difficulty in games there is annoying difficult and skill difficult. These things seem to be less skill difficult and more annoying difficult. Especially for carnivores who at some points may go into starvation not because they are bad at the game but because there isnt any prey in the surrounding area or on the server.

I do enjoy the entire negative food idea though for the -10% value where trotting takes stamina and you are recommended to walk. But I think after that point you should die in a similar way you do now. (with the ribcage being shown stuff appearing from the 0 to -10% area)

hybrid matrix
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ok

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now

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consider this

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if there's no food in an area

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then go look for it

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in another area

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and if u cant find any food on the whole server

quiet estuary
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I was expecting this response

hybrid matrix
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then u shouldnt play bc there's literally nothing to eat

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if u cant find any food including ai then that means ur bad at the game

quiet estuary
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The entire just move argument works until you realize there are multiple carnivorous playables whos playstyles are around staying in one area, or are just generally not fast enough to cover large swathes of the map

hybrid matrix
quiet estuary
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I find it idiotic that a solution to a problem in the game should be literally not playing the game

hybrid matrix
quiet estuary
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You just said log out

hybrid matrix
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i said dont play on that server

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log out doesnt mean close the game

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other servers do exist

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u can still play the game

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and

quiet estuary
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Log out means do not play on the server you wish to be playing on at the time
Which to me is not a valid solution to a problem which has other methods of being fixed

hybrid matrix
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ok but look

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hear me out on this one

quiet estuary
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The food lacking problem for example

hybrid matrix
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even if starvation stayed the same

quiet estuary
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can be fixed by reducing the existance of hotspots

hybrid matrix
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this issue wouldnt have a different solution

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u'd still have to hope that u can find food b4 u starve to death

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OR

quiet estuary
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And addition of ai (more difficult ai though as they currently are jokes)

hybrid matrix
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u could just play on a different server

hybrid matrix
quiet estuary
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The issue I brought up plays into the suggestion you made

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which is why it was mentioned

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Speaking of suggestions you made

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I enjoy the thirst one a lot

hybrid matrix
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u saw a problem with my idea

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and then u came up with a fix for it

quiet estuary
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The fix logging out to me just isnt a good one
Its literally telling people to stop playing on the place they want to play

hybrid matrix
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and adding more ai is a solution either way

quiet estuary
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Its a lessened issue when you have more spread out food sources
Players and ai

hybrid matrix
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so the argument that ur sticking with has just invalidated itself

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we both came up with solutions to the problem

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more ai

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and just playing on a different server

quiet estuary
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Coming up with solutions to problems is kind of how discussions work

hybrid matrix
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but im saying that all of the issues with my starvation suggestion can be fixed easily

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so im not sure why u brought them up

quiet estuary
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How long exactly would you say the starvation thing would take

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the entire 0 to -100 process

hybrid matrix
quiet estuary
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What about the thirst one

hybrid matrix
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thirst?

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well

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u cant last as long if ur dehydrated

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so thats 3-4 minutes

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btw the timers are in my suggestions

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4-5 minutes if ur starving
3-4 minutes if ur dehydrated
and 4-5 minutes if u have heat exhaustion

quiet estuary
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The timers give the entire thing
But what about how much time you are in each "phase"

hybrid matrix
quiet estuary
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Because the issues i mentioned of just killing yourself instead of waiting the entire 5 minutes come up with how long the phases you are borderline helpless are

hybrid matrix
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again

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im figuring it out rn

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so lets say its 5 minutes for starving

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5 minutes is 300 seconds

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so the first phase of starvation lasts for 30 seconds

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then the second phase lasts for....

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45 seconds

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then phase 3 lasts for 75 seconds

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phase 4 also lasts 75 seconds

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and 1 more calculation

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and then the final phase lasts for 1 minute

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phase 3 is ur last opportunity

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so u have 150 seconds

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or 2 1/2 minutes

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NOW

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THAT IS ONLY ONCE U REACH 0% FOOD

quiet estuary
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yes

hybrid matrix
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So you have even LONGER bc ur gonna spawn in with some amount of food

glad dirge
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I loved that idea instead of just flopping ded ^

quiet estuary
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Flopping dead after 0 is bad yes
But being completely helpless for 2.25 minutes also is bad imo

Ide personally just keep the first 3 phases but make the third phase just do what starvation currently does
Seems like a way to stop people from just offing themselves to skip the two minutes theyll have to wait where they cant do anything but watch their creature die

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Maybe make the last two phases something akin to the player is sent back to the select menu but the animal is there dying and playing an animation

hybrid matrix
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sooo

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wut ur saying is

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give them less time?

glad dirge
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what are the concept phases for starving again

quiet estuary
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Ide give them more time to grow their next animals as you know

Anyone who reaches phase 4 is dead

hybrid matrix
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especially with dehydration

quiet estuary
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Dehydration is a different topic

hybrid matrix
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u'd most likely die b4 the final phase

quiet estuary
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I fucking loved the dehydration thing

hybrid matrix
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i was just saying that it'd be a miracle if u actually made it that far into starvation

quiet estuary
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not exactly

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Unless you are a herbivore

hybrid matrix
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but even if ur a carnivore

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u have to avoid other hunters

quiet estuary
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with how carnivores entire starvation is dependant on other players
Reaching that point would be very likely as you wouldnt have other players in the area as that would most likely be the main reason you reached such a point

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So no other players = watching your animal die and being able to do nothing about it for 2.25 minutes

hybrid matrix
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also

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ur gonna look around

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ur making urself vulnerable

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so chances are u find another carnivore and it kills u

quiet estuary
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No what im saying is the fact you reached such a point is because nothing else was in the area for you to eat as the carni derptah

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As nothing else was in the area and you cant move around in such a state not much will come to kill you as the area was empty already

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but anyways this doesnt matter in the long run

hybrid matrix
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but here's where you're wrong

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if im correct, then the way diets will work will be like this
tiny thing eats plant, other tiny thing eats tiny thing, small thing eats both, medium thing eats plants, other medium thing eats all of them, big thing eats them all
its missing a few things but u get the basic idea

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if thats the case

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then chances are, an unsuspecting herbivore/carnivore will come into ur area bc its trying to follow its diet

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if that carnivore is another member of ur species then it'll probably eat u since ur the only thing there

quiet estuary
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I dont think a big thing would eat everything else from a dietary needs standpoint

hybrid matrix
quiet estuary
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Your point is that you would die before you reach phase 4

Which is true as its difficult to reach phase 4
What I was saying that by the time you are in the starvation thing nothing in the area so its unlikely you would be killed as its unlikely something would show up to you in the 5 minutes it takes for you to go through the suggested process

But this is all worthless semantics

hybrid matrix
quiet estuary
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Back to me giving feedback on your suggestions

Yopu see, the reason I like the thirst suggestion but not the hunger suggestion is since water isnt dependant on whether or not people are playing that day for 50% of the roster.
I would still prefer it so once you reach the helpless state you are sent back to the menu and your animal stays ingame playing animations. But that is less prevalent here as it would be faster and always 100% the players fault

hybrid matrix
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but if i make a counter point to that statement we're just gonna be taken down the same long road that got us where we are in the first place

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So let's just get back to heat exhaustion

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my lunch just arrived, can we talk about this later?

quiet estuary
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Ok, I was going to get off in about 10 mins as well

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Ping me later and if I respond then we can keep talking about it

hybrid matrix
hybrid matrix
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@low dock @barren zephyr @red viper no feedback for me?

chilly matrix
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@snow meadow whilst i can understand why you would want that its not fun going after a deino that just spams their alt attacks. Deino is currently just like stego for the exception it can alt attack till noon and even more. By giving stam consume deino would have to use a bit more strategy and like you said deino is a semi-aquatic hence it has no business being too far out of the water.

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and something i'd like to add deino would have to predict attacks and baits just like stego meaning it would have to guess right if a carno or utah actually goes for the bite or not and it doesnt need its alt attack to defend itself since it can flee into the water and or position itself so that its back is in the water

honest sparrow
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You are trading a more high damage omnidirectional attack with a large hitbox for stam

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Makes sense to me tbh

glad dirge
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why use regular bite when you have a huge swinging any direction turning larger, faster, and more viable over attack that doesnt drain any stamina

fading fjord
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When moving you can click LMB to hit ur target, for ex when chasing

glad dirge
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def needs at least a little stam consumption

fading fjord
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Nope

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It does not

honest sparrow
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Explain

chilly matrix
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@hybrid matrix ok i looked at your suggestion and i like the idea but the biggest problem with that would be that one part of the map is a desert and the other a winter wonderland wouldnt really work. sure if they were to add biomes it would kinda work but still it would be hard to add since dinosaurs are still supposed to migrate meaning the dinosaurs would have to walk through biomes that are not fit for them

chilly matrix
# glad dirge def needs at least a *little* stam consumption

little ? i actually think that it should be a bit MORE than little since deino in general is a pretty sloppy carni but to be honest i would say it should drain a bit more than stego's tail swing (in my perfect world stego should have MUCH more stam or a reduced stam consumption for the tail swing)

snow meadow
golden iron
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It absolutely needs a stam bite. There’s no reason it shouldn’t have it. The stego is also slow, slower than a running Deino I believe, and if it runs outta stam it also can’t do much. The tail swing is the only thing that can really kill, but Deino has two bites that both do equal amounts of damage (depending on where you hit of course). You’re gonna have to learn to conserve stam the same way stego, teno and Utah players have to in order to successfully hunt or defend. If you applied the whole “but it’s so big and slow and needs it’s stamina” complaint to the stego people would laugh at you

honest sparrow
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People still drink at spots you can ambush, other deinos exist, fish can subsist you for a bit if it comes to it

golden iron
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I’ve also gotten dozens of lunge drown kills, of all sizes. You just gotta be patient and wait in the water like you’re supposed to and keep quiet.

honest sparrow
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You still have food, your powerful Omni directional attack with virtually no drawbacks should have a drawback

snow meadow
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I'd be 100% fine with it costing Stam when more features come. I get the argument I just think it would be really punishing right now.

chilly matrix
vestal rune
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can't deino survive for more than an hour without food? lol

golden iron
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Like we’ve been saying, @chilly matrix we want Deino to use stam as well. Buffing stego that way would be useless. We need to be more worried about convincing the devs to add a Deino alt attack stam drain the same way a stego has

honest sparrow
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It’d be punishing because all that’s required currently is pressing 2 buttons to beat the whole roster, out of your comfort zone

snow meadow
# chilly matrix nah we can cannibalise

Probably won't be worth I when diets come out. I doubt deino will specialize in eating other deinos. Too much risk to oneself. And killing babies is a dick move I'd only do If it was part of our preferred diet. But that remains to be seen

chilly matrix
vestal rune
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deino is the only dino where cannibalising babies is a "dick move", and that's only because of the lack of foilage and other mechanics making it so that juvie dinos have no ways to deal with larger deinos. In the future this won't be an issue

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also I imagine if you cannibalise something, you'd still get food, you just won't get any additional benefits

honest sparrow
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Believe devs haven mentjoned deino can kill and eat its own to an extent without penalization

golden iron
vestal rune
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would be really stupid if they like gave you a debuff for cannibalisation

swift dew
snow meadow
chilly matrix
vestal rune
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@surreal hemlock in the past it was said music would come with update 4, however the roadmap got reshuffled so we don't know exactly anymore

chilly matrix
surreal hemlock
cyan flame
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Stego stamina drain on main attack is too high, but it's hardly the biggest issue for stego. As for deino, alt attack needs to be slower and drain stam, at least as much as stego swing does. Deino is currently perfectly safe to play except for meeting bigger/more deinos. Stego on the other hand, has a far harder time surviving even a few utahs or carnos that know what they're doing.

snow meadow
# chilly matrix im joking mate but thats the thing deinos OVER POPULATE if they were not to you ...

Actually it's more because the ai sucks so bad it only spawns in one spot. I'm currently growing another deino rn and I'm surrounded by like 15 elite fish because they all spawn in this one area lol. So that's great but no one really plays just to sit and eat fish as an adult. I wanna hunt and ambush and all that. It's just the way the map is kinda doesn't encourage that unless you get lucky. I'm really hoping for lakes and ponds and such in the future for this reason.

surreal hemlock
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If I had to suggest the best time it'd be in the night update

vestal rune
surreal hemlock
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Hopefully. I'm very excited to hear what they have and it'll make the game very atmospheric

chilly matrix
snow meadow
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All do what

chilly matrix
snow meadow
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I find it hard to fight as a stego but I've only been adult stego once so I think I just suck

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I wonder if test servers will ever come back

vestal rune
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there's some servers like that

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there's one called taco island where everyone gets to be an admin, so you can just grow yourself and shit

snow meadow
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Oh cool

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I'm talking like outside evrima tho just in that test area

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I liked to go in there to practice fighting

vestal rune
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I doubt a test map will return in an official capacity

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will probably just modded

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in the mean time, either go on the servers like the one I mentioned, or just practice fighting by playing the game

snow meadow
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I mean I am but that's a little difficult lol. But yes I will go try that server

swift dew
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the test map was never intended to be in public use, however we will probably get some tiny island to use as a sandbox death match map

wintry monolith
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like denio is an water ambuhser not the water equal to rex

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ur not supposed to be caught on land cus you shouldent be on land

glad dirge
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alt bite stam cost should be less in water, like the lunge.

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since, that would make sense as you dont have to throw so much weight around

fading fjord
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Ridiculous....TI_Yikes

glad dirge
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or... none at all in water TI_DeinoPathetic

vestal rune
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@mossy minnow I think your game is just loading in, how long are you stuck like that?

hybrid matrix
swift dew
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also biodomes

chilly matrix
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except

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its a HUGE cave system

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and if it has running water then its definitely gonna be fucking cold

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if it has water at all

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it'll be cold

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also

chilly matrix
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really ? i thought those were only thought for dryos, tacos oros...

hybrid matrix
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troodon and dilo and probably some others are going to be cave dwellers

chilly matrix
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and not REAL caves but rather holes and little tunnels they dug

swift dew
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well that is a burrow

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and dryo wont have those

chilly matrix
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well anyway in future we will have to see what the devs add and not

chilly matrix
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and either way

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caves can be very cold

chilly matrix
hybrid matrix
swift dew
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yeah, they have said it wont on a stream a couple times, and it doesn't need it. plus dryo burrows in legacy was a placeholder

chilly matrix
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sometimes i dont remember certain vocabulary

chilly matrix
hybrid matrix
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but thx 😊

swift dew
hybrid matrix
chilly matrix