general-feedback-discussion

[turbid mauve]

for no immersion.

[worn pumice]

immersion?

[turbid mauve]

damn straight

[crude girder]

"Oh the Stegosaurus food is in the plains? I bet the Stegosaurus will be in the plains."

[paper oriole]

Just wait for the smaller map to come out so youll run into the KFSers and megapackers more often and then you can be happy, they were remaking Thenyaw anyway right?

[icy lion]

i say with with no hatred or sarcasm, but it sounds like you should be playing Saurian instead, class

[tepid gate]

If there's less foliage then that just buffs animals that don't like it e.g. Carno. It nerfs stuff like Utah, Dryo or Deino though

[crude girder]

Like if the Herbivores will be hanging out where their food is, then you could just... go there to find the herbivores?

[limber hull]

did he just make a reference to the cash me outside girl from like the early 2010s

[worn pumice]

what does immersion even mean tho

[limber hull]

[worn pumice]

dinosaur immersion?

i dont get it

[paper oriole]

Class wants to be a dinosaur idfk

He wants the isle to fulfill his rp fantasy

[crude girder]

Immersion as in: My multi-ton Apex should be able to survive off AI, and I should see a herd every 5 minutes at least, like in Jurassic Park.

[icy lion]

you can only apply so much immersion to a sci fi dino game

[worn pumice]

[crude girder]

But also I should apply IRL logic to nerfing my food, so I don't have to work so hard, gimme a break man!

[worn pumice]

thats big brain energy ngl

[turbid mauve]

then make it fake, i dont know why the devs trying to balance a game with a ecosystem when they just gonna mess it up cuz dats what they do and expect to attract and different audience

[limber hull]

it is fake

it's not real lmaoo

[crude girder]

Every 10 minutes a dinosaur has a chance to have a heart attack, no warning, no nothing, you just die

[turbid mauve]

make it faker

[paper oriole]

Make herbivore gameplay worse and them replace them all with so mucch AI that it lags the game

[feral solstice]

Class thinks going out into the forest, you’ll see tons and tons of animals no matter where you go, even though the reality is that it’s mostly a barren wasteland because animals aren’t plentiful like he thinks.

[hoary dawn]

make it faker

[icy lion]

im sorry but i dont understand what youre saying

[worn pumice]

^

[limber hull]

idk how much faker you can make a game about dinosaurs on a big island in modern times

[icy lion]

the ecosystem barely exists currently because the game is so, so unbelievably early in development

[feral solstice]

You can’t just enter a grassland and expect to see 100s and 100s of cows no matter where you are

The reality is that animals are spaced out incredibly far

Sometimes not so much

But they’re still hidden

Diets are kinda like that

[crude girder]

Like if your suggestion was just "Droughts would be good for immersion" then people would agree

[feral solstice]

Spacing out everything to accommodate the map.

[crude girder]

it's the random nerfing that I'm stuck on

[worn pumice]

even if u nerf herbis during droughts all thats gonna do is make every herbi on the server say bye bye

[turbid mauve]

carni life is in the gutter. herbivores have the advantage in numbers, skill, and natural defenses they have. dont underestimate the dominating force of herbivores. like frick . carnivores are inferior.

[crude girder]

Like I want to see rain in the game because weather is immersive

[turbid mauve]

herbivores are superior.

[crude girder]

Until the Herbivores have to watch their diets

[tepid gate]

Alright I've read the feedback that everyone here is discussing and I'm not really getting what it's supposed to mean... you want the AI to be out faster while simultaneously asking for seasonal changes and droughts which would do... what exactly? I understood from your suggestion that you want the herbivores to be weaker during that time I think?

[limber hull]

literally how

[crude girder]

Won't be seeing much mixed herds if Tenos and Stegos live on opposite sides of the Island

[turbid mauve]

i wanna see u face tank a trike

[tepid gate]

Herbivores are superior in that they are much easier to grow

And maintain

[limber hull]

yes

herbivores have powerful defence

[worn pumice]

just because u cant facetank something doesnt make then superior lol

[limber hull]

that's supposed to be the point

[tepid gate]

If you wanted to spam animals en masse you're much better off doing that with herbivores

[crude girder]

Herbivores are also generally slower, and will have to worry about maintaining their diet

[turbid mauve]

it is when there is head shot dmg, and trike has armor.

[tepid gate]

Do note - Deino is kind of a herbivore however weird that may sound. Its level of difficulty isn't much different from that of a Stego I'd say

[limber hull]

trike isn't in evirmia

[worn pumice]

smh

[tepid gate]

It's very easy to grow and maintain

[turbid mauve]

big brain moment

[tepid gate]

despite being a carnivore

[limber hull]

hardest part about it is dealing with other deinos imo

[tepid gate]

Pretty much

[worn pumice]

superiority cuz u cant facetank something

[crude girder]

Let's use Teno and Carno as an example since they are in Evrima, and around the same size

[tepid gate]

You can get a Deino to full growth on a completely empty server with ease

[turbid mauve]

whatcha gonna do bite its thick skin back as a utah? bish please

[tepid gate]

matter of fact it will be easier on an empty server than on a server with people

No other carnivore works like that atm

[crude girder]

It's very possible Trike may lose to a rex in a face tank in Evrima, we don't know since those animals aren't in game

[feral solstice]

Doesn’t mean it’s superior lmao

[worn pumice]

thats literally not the point lol again just becuz u cant facetank something doesnt make them superior

[turbid mauve]

look at its design and model, its like a rhino but with three horns. anything that thing charges at is going down.

[crude girder]

Also imagine getting killed by a Trike lol, just walk away

[worn pumice]

^^^^^^

literally for every single apex herbivore ever

just walk away lol

[feral solstice]

Locational damage is a thing. A Rex would go for it’s neck until it comes down.

[mossy horizon]

Idk considering collision and hitboxes I doubt Rex would win facetanking a trike

[crude girder]

"Oh no the 7 ton Ceratopsian is coming, I better walk away in about 4 hours!"

[tepid gate]

It's a bit worse if Trike can mixherd with a tonne of other stuff that runs after you

[limber hull]

it's almost like big herbivores are meant to be really hard to kill because irl dino herbivores were really fuckin' hard to kill

[feral solstice]

So is a trike really superior even though it has a weakness and that’s it’s neck

[turbid mauve]

the neck is covered, didnt i just fricking say that it can't face tank it?????

[crude girder]

Attack it from literally any other angle then?

[feral solstice]

It’s not entirely covered LOL

[mossy horizon]

Neck isnt completely covered

[limber hull]

evolution + active predators = constantly becoming better and better at defence

[feral solstice]

Wtf are you on

[worn pumice]

again thats not the point just because something is stronger then u doesnt mean their superior

[crude girder]

"Hmm this animal has horns on its face... better face tank it."

[feral solstice]

That’s like saying because carnivores are built to take down herbivores, carnis are superior

We’ll

Herbivores are built to withstand carnis

[mossy horizon]

[feral solstice]

So neither is superior

[crude girder]

As they say, play stupid games, win stupid prizes

[turbid mauve]

how, tell me what you mean by that cause when i look at something or someone that is stronger it usually means that animal is to stay away from.

[worn pumice]

thats not a good way of looking at it if something is stronger u figure a way around that strength

[crude girder]

So stay away from it or ambush it from another angle? What's the Trike gonna do run you down? Not happening if you aren't afk lol

[worn pumice]

look at utah vs stego

[crude girder]

Like just... don't run at it 3 calling

[wild stone]

In the real world it's much harder for small animals to kill each other, and much, much easier for large animals to kill each other. I imagine a single stab from a triceratops could be fatal to a rex. Ditto to the trike, if the rex got ahold of its neck. It could just not let go and the trike would die.

Compare that to something like a pair of austroraptor trying to wrestle avaceratops to the ground. It would take several minutes for the encounter to be over. Similar to cockfights where the roosters just keep going at it.

[limber hull]

yes, you cannot facetank a trike, because the entire evolutionary concept behind trike was "stop dumb shit from running up and trying to facetank me" by creating a face designed like a shield with multiple spikes. We get around this by attacking literally anywhere else on the body

[mossy horizon]

^

[turbid mauve]

How would it ambush it from another angle? who in the right mind would allow a predator to ambush them? herbivores are superior because they are stronger, and not to messed with.

[mossy horizon]

What

[turbid mauve]

They have superiority in numbers too.

[worn pumice]

[mossy horizon]

Have you never seen national geographic

[feral solstice]

Again, that doesn’t mean they’re superior

[mossy horizon]

Or lions hunting

[worn pumice]

lions

[mossy horizon]

Most predators ambush all the time

[crude girder]

An herbivore who isn't paying attention is a dead herbivore, just gotta be sneaky. Carnivores are hard mode lol, if the Carnivore players could just facetank the herbivores then herbivores would just be flat out pointless.

[hoary dawn]

that's the thing about ambushes, they kinda come out of nowhere

[worn pumice]

u'll find a way to ambush it trust

[paper oriole]

Herbis irl are also stupid as fuck run away while their buddy dies despite being able to lynch the lions and win

[turbid mauve]

I've seen lions get trampled by giraffes, rhinos, and even buffalo herds, elephants

[tepid gate]

I wouldn't try to use nature to justify balance to that degree tbh. Herbivores in many situations die because they are quite frankly speaking not quite as intelligent as the carnivores that are hunting them. In the game however they are controlled by people.

[limber hull]

"Who in their right mind would allow a predator to ambush them?"
You preach realism yet you don't even understand how irl predators work. Do you call the moose stupid because a pack of wolves ambushed it, or the wolves smart for ambushing the moose?

[crude girder]

I've seen elephants taken down by lions, your point?

[worn pumice]

carnivores actually tend to be smarter irl compared to herbis

[turbid mauve]

then don't be somewhere covered in foilage where ambush is prone to be.

[paper oriole]

The dinos in game are controlled by players with brains larger than a pea (usually), it is not like nature

[worn pumice]

lol

[mossy horizon]

That much is true but the argument is that, herbivores cant be ambushed from an angle which is a lie

[feral solstice]

You can still be ambushed even away from foliage

[crude girder]

If that's where your food is then uh, good luck defending yourself with all those debuffs

[turbid mauve]

those elephants were in the dry season. my ENTIRE FRICKENING POINT IS THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A GODDAM DRY SEASON TO HELP THE CARNIVORES.

[tepid gate]

A good player won't be getting ambushed most of the time tbh.

[limber hull]

malice

[worn pumice]

why would u help the carnivores

[oblique crane]

lmao

[limber hull]

consider that herbivores do not need a nerf

[crude girder]

Not all the time, elephants can be killed whenever lol

[paper oriole]

Carnis need 0 help when they already take up 80% of the server

[limber hull]

and carnivores just need to be smarter in how they hunt

[tepid gate]

Herbivores don't necessarily need a nerf atm, perhaps they should get one with the diets update

[limber hull]

because having an entire period where herbivores eat shit and die is not fun for herbivores

[crude girder]

If Herbivores were superior, we wouldn't even have a diets system in the works to combat the carnivore bias

[mossy horizon]

Wouldnt the same go for carnivores who are good at stealth?

[icy lion]

didnt you say yourself that "carnivore life shouldnt be dandy"?

[low canopy]

Clearly there are too many herbivores around, should be aiming for 0. /sarcasm

[icy lion]

this just sounds like a free meal time for carnis and a log out time for herbis

[worn pumice]

guys carnivores should one shot all herbivores

[paper oriole]

The herbi faction doesn't need a nerf at all, they are the less played faction already

[limber hull]

i'm so tired of all these servers full of herbivores, if only there was a dry season to discourage herbivore play and encourage more carnivores 😔

[feral solstice]

“Stego should be a one shot on the head.” - Class for some reason

[crude girder]

Herbivores are a bug actually, can't belive I let that one slip by

[worn pumice]

[crude girder]

they'll be patched out in no time yall

[worn pumice]

appreciate it

[tepid gate]

The herbivores are overall much better as a faction than carnivores with how the game is. They are brought down however by the fact that specific herbivores are somewhat lackluster e.g. the most powerful herbivore atm is much worse than the most powerful carnivore that we have in the game.

[crude girder]

👍

[limber hull]

QA confirms, herbivores are a bug

[turbid mauve]

what did I say else about the balance to the head shot thingy, kaito? since u seem to bring up previous suggestions ive made. like come on

[paper oriole]

“Ugh i'm sick of sometimes seeing a tenonto in between running into utah and carno megapacks, this must be stopped!”

[limber hull]

can't wait for next patch when they add the rotting corpse of a pachy 😄

[crude girder]

Nah if we remove herbivores from the game, then we have no need for hunger obviously lol

[turbid mauve]

trust me when i say the addition of herbivore a.i abundance will be harder for the carnivores because the a.i are smart.

and can fight back.

[limber hull]

i can confirm

[icy lion]

itll do the exact opposite

[limber hull]

the ai are not smart

[feral solstice]

I bring up previous statements that are either, stupid, unnecessary, or unbalanced. Your entire discussion was all of the above.

[limber hull]

maybe they will be smart

[icy lion]

like i said, no matter how smart they are, or how inflated their stats are, theyre still ai

[paper oriole]

So you want to destroy herbi gameplay and replace them with AI? Just say it upfront, Class

[icy lion]

and more ai means more food

[worn pumice]

^

[tepid gate]

Good, there should be more food

[crude girder]

"The Ai will make carnivore life much harder guys!"

The Ai:

[limber hull]

class just seems like he hates herbivores lmaoo

[tepid gate]

As it is it's just stupid that the easiest carnivore to maintain is the biggest one

[paper oriole]

Servers are still vast majority carni so i don't think food is an issue for them right now

[small meteor]

how can i play as a rex. im new to the game

[mossy horizon]

Shouldnt depend on A.I. tbh
PvP interaction is the core of the game
A.I. can only get so smart to where they can be predictable
If herbivore A.I. were to be a thing they would need to be pretty darn unpredictable to have a comfortable place in the game

[crude girder]

In Legacy, log in and pick rex, Rex is not in Evrima atm

[turbid mauve]

great so i get to see no fucking (forgive me for my profound language this is an area I am passionate about) herds or migrations. just fucking carnivores just wandering around with their wits in the air. when i am ptera. literally the most boring game ever.

to be seen played.

[tepid gate]

The game paradoxically makes it easier to maintain your animals when you group up as a carnivore than when you play alone

[paper oriole]

Rex is o ly available in the legacy version of the game

[small meteor]

i didnt see that option as rex

[feral solstice]

“The ai will make carni life harder!1!!111!”
The AI doing whatever the fuck they are doing:

[crude girder]

So wouldn't the solution be: Improve herbivore gameplay to encourage more herbivores?

[icy lion]

what? why do you think migrations will be part of the herbi diet system then? ai wont do anything to help that

[paper oriole]

Go into your game properties on steam and make sure you are in the legacy branch in the betas tab

[limber hull]

so your solution to seeing zero herds or migrations is to add a dry season which would discourage herbivores even further

[turbid mauve]

with this diet sht to maintain, makes it harder on them.

[feral solstice]

Not really

[mossy horizon]

No it gives them something to do

[feral solstice]

^

[worn pumice]

not rly no

[crude girder]

Yeah, the Herbivores will actually have something to do, and they will be hanging about in spots that you as a carnivore can learn and go hunt at

[feral solstice]

And benefits them

[icy lion]

remember that carnivores have diets too

[small meteor]

is it the first dino im assuming?

[limber hull]

it makes herbivores more engaging imo, i'm so tired of farming a single fucking bush my entire life

[worn pumice]

^

[feral solstice]

Fulfill your diet? Faster growth.

[turbid mauve]

cows literally eat grass for a living and they doing just fine. their four stomachs can process it.

[paper oriole]

So on top of diets you also want droughts to say fuck you to herbis and turn them into easy food

[feral solstice]

And more

[worn pumice]

what do cows and dinosaurs have in common lol

[icy lion]

yes, COWS can. they are very specifically designed that way

[crude girder]

Grass wasn't really a thing for most of our dinosaurs so...

[limber hull]

alright but consider the fact that dinosaur ≠ cow

[mossy horizon]

So you want herbivore gameplay to be just lazing around doing nothing

And then be forced to endure debuffs during droughts

[crude girder]

Also grazing facilitates staying in one spot your entire game, only stopping to drink which is... yikes

[mossy horizon]

That doesnt sound fun at all

[worn pumice]

pls stop bringing up "irl __ this and this" the game wont be realistic ever

[paper oriole]

Not sure what you mean by that, rex should be an option on legacy servers in the choosable list

[small meteor]

are their any rex players that can help me? if possible?

[turbid mauve]

yes to enourage challenge

for them

[feral solstice]

Not really a challenge

Actually

More of a fucking shitfest

[turbid mauve]

dry season aint no challenge? lmao watch

[crude girder]

Ah yes, a challenge "Afk until a drought, and then log out"

[turbid mauve]

documenttaries made about it

[feral solstice]

Like imagine forcing the fun out of the game just to help one side of the faction

[worn pumice]

ah yes i love when randomly it gets dry and suddenly im just weaker

[turbid mauve]

elephants have to remember where to go

to find water

[feral solstice]

That sounds like terrible balance

[cyan flame]

The heck is all this then?

[mossy horizon]

Dry season isnt a challenge it's unnecessarily unfair

[paper oriole]

Nerfing herbis during dry season isnt a challenge, it’s like bashing somebodys kneecaps in and calling it a challenge

[turbid mauve]

pathways

[crude girder]

Yeah the only reason a dry season sucks for animals IRL is because they can't just log out of life and log back in later

[feral solstice]

A class discussion

Run

[crude girder]

Like literally, your solution has nothing to encourage an herbivore to stay

so Dry season hits, all the Herbivores log out, and now Carnivore life is even worse, while the Herbivores flat out don't get to play

[worn pumice]

^

[cyan flame]

Not that I would mind seasons, if they're done well, offer a different experience with it's own challenges and all that, but it shouldn't be terrible, and should absolutely be survivable if you know what you're doing

[crude girder]

Class' solution is nerf herbivores during a drought

[paper oriole]

Class wants dry season to seoop in and make herbis weak to “give carnis a break”

[worn pumice]

sounds balanced

[mossy horizon]

It is better for herbivores to have diets to explore and do something that is a benefit
Instead of moping around eating the same bush or grazing on the same patch of grass and gaining nothing but debuffs eventually when droughts arrive

It just seems like it isnt fun at all

[turbid mauve]

your solutions to encourage a herbivore to stay makes me want to constantly be in the search of food and not interact with my fellow peers. whereas, my addition would not only more time with their buddies in the spring season designed for them but also give them a challenge in the dry season where THEY ARE FORCED INTO A CORNER TO FIGHT CARNIVORES - SOUNDS LIKE FUN TO ME

[worn pumice]

literally just try and improve herbivore gameplay experience rather then giving them a shitty debuff cuz hehe its dry now

[crude girder]

You aren't forced to do anything during a drought lmao, just log out

[limber hull]

alright, make it that rainy wet seasons outright nerfs carnivores to balance it out. This seems both fun and cool

[turbid mauve]

lets fucking rumble carnis, u want a fight i'll give u one xD see? all fun and games

[feral solstice]

Niches will still overlap lmao
A pachy will find a kentro someday

Herbivores will find each other someday

[cyan flame]

Why? The point of a season should not be to buff/nerf but to offer different challenges. Less water/locations, you can still handle it, but now you need to worry a bit more about it, and in different ways perhaps. But in return it opens some other area with fancy flowers or whatever. I think you get what I'm trying to say here. It's late and I'm tired so.. :p

[paper oriole]

Fun and games to be force nerfed to make it easier for the larger faction to kill you? Ok bud

[feral solstice]

It won’t be a barren wasteland like you think

[worn pumice]

u shouldnt be forced into fighting thats stupid

[crude girder]

Bro don't ask me why lol, it's not my suggestion

[cyan flame]

Fair enough. I did just try to sort this out, you'll have to forgive me for not being all caught up :p

[turbid mauve]

I NEVER SAID NERF, I SAID FORCE THEM TO MIGRATE AND FIND FOOD ELSEWHERE AND WATER.

WHILE IN THE PROCESS OF BEING HUNTED.

THATS A CHALLENGE

A MIGRATION.

[crude girder]

Wow, the diet system, but RNG

[limber hull]

ahahahah

we've gone full circle

[crude girder]

You.. do know the diets force migrations right?

[cyan flame]

I don't think a season would be RNG though?

[limber hull]

my man basically reinvented diets while trying to do something that isn't diets

[cyan flame]

Wouldn't it just be a change in "settings" for the envrionment? With a changed gameplay, sort of like night time but well, more general?

[limber hull]

amazing

[crude girder]

Added diets with none of the upsides lol

[turbid mauve]

y'all are just lazy. devs are lazy.

[limber hull]

and he's run out of arguments

[crude girder]

Imagine thinking the less mechanically intricate solution is lazy

[worn pumice]

its a scam it always was

[limber hull]

devs are lazy for not adding my direct nerf to herbivores and instead attempting to spice up gameplay for all playable dinos, including herbivores, making them far more active and less braindead

[cyan flame]

This is so weird..

[crude girder]

"Yo why the fuck does Pteranodon have a fast fly option and an air brake? It should just t-pose at a constant speed"

[worn pumice]

i wanna see that lol

[limber hull]

hypernova i do hope you know that that sounds amazing

and now i want it

[cyan flame]

Like, seasons or similar isn't a bad idea, if it just changes up what you need to worry about and how. Sort of like how different biomes might work differently?

[crude girder]

You people enjoy jank so I'm not surprised lol

[worn pumice]

i wanna see a stego pounce a utah

[cyan flame]

What's with all this buff/debuff stuff? Why would herbis be weaker during a drought, carnis need water and shit too?..

[turbid mauve]

devs don't want to program seasonal changes within the map that inflict change and aspects to the game fine by me. i dont care anymore

[limber hull]

they do want to tho

[icy lion]

actually, droughts are planned

[limber hull]

it's confirmed that they want to lmao

[crude girder]

I mean seasons have been discussed several times, that's not the arguement here

[cyan flame]

Besides, aren't we getting droughts? Or something with water/rivers?

[icy lion]

and have been for a while

[worn pumice]

droughts and floods r literally planned

[cyan flame]

See.. :p

[worn pumice]

lol

[crude girder]

the arguement is that droughts should replace diets (literally why) or that droughts should nerf herbivores (yikes)

[worn pumice]

[turbid mauve]

I DONT SEE THAT IN THE TRELLO ROADMAP SO ID ASSUME NO

[crude girder]

Rex not coming to game, not on roadmap

[icy lion]

do you think the trello is the entire game?

[turbid mauve]

REX IS ON ROAD MAP

[limber hull]

trike not coming to game, not on roadmap

[worn pumice]

hey guys allo isnt on the roadmap

[cyan flame]

Droughts could offer some slight difference in what you have available Hyper, or offer specific food you get access to possibly. But not for diets in general obviously. And hell no to any nerf/shit like that..

[worn pumice]

its gone

[crude girder]

Humans not, trike not, Brachi not, Allo not

[icy lion]

only ai

[limber hull]

hey guys, spino isn't on the roadmap

guess it's cancelled

[feral solstice]

Yeah. We have 50+ confirmed dinosaurs. They all aren’t on the roadmap. Guess those left out ones aren’t coming to the game

[turbid mauve]

i guess so

[cyan flame]

...........

[worn pumice]

para isnt on the radmap

gg

[icy lion]

[crude girder]

Shant isn't on the roadmap, throw away the concept boys

[limber hull]

i was really excited for redwood forests but then i looked at the roadmap and didn't see them so we aren't seeing that biome ever i suppose

[worn pumice]

acro isnt on the roadmap too bad they made a concept art

gg

[crude girder]

Now this is what I call: a class act.

[turbid mauve]

more herbivores, more difficulty it is for carnivores

[crude girder]

Yeah so make the herbivore gameplay more interesting by giving them something to do constantly, like diets

[turbid mauve]

and more salivating it is for carnis

[cyan flame]

@crude girderHonestly, droughts offering access to roots or stuff like that, for very nice diet boosts could be a thing you know. Trade off vs less water, risk and reward and all that, and would encourage herbis to be around, and carnis to follow, for a potentially more "guaranteed" chance (more specific than diets in general) to find said herbis who would really want the roots, but at the risk of not getting to water in time perhaps.

Plus it could be generic food for all herbis, so lots of competition and general chaos for both sides, since it might attract most everyone.

[crude girder]

True, too bad none of this was in the other suggestion

Diets having interplay with Seasons/weather?

[cyan flame]

Well then excuse me for trying to make some sense of things here ^^

[crude girder]

You're excused, it's a common mistake lol

[icy lion]

diets going hand in hand with droughts/weather seems like a no brainer imo

id consider it a massive loss if we dont have an interaction between them

[worn pumice]

dynamic diets would be cool

[crude girder]

Nah, gotta throw out diets so Herbivores can mix herd more... even tho that was a problem that class was trying to solve?

[turbid mauve]

i disagree

[crude girder]

Like the whole "herbivores are superior" thing was about Stegos and Tenos outnumbering carnivores in a mixed herd and beating them up

but giving a specific time where that is encouraged is uh... not how I would solve it

when other herbivore species meet up, it should be due to competition, or only for a very short period of time, not a "I'ma hang with my buddies" moment

[cyan flame]

Heck does mixherd thing have to do with this? Though specific circumstances like these would be a situation where "mixing" would happen, but with lots of competition between the herbis (more than usual), and the same for carnis (since well, everything around you is food). Could be a mess, but could possibly work out.

[turbid mauve]

ima gonna get real with u

[cyan flame]

Oh dear..

[worn pumice]

were u faking us?

shoulda got real 10 minutes ago lol

[crude girder]

this'll be good

[worn pumice]

boutta get hit with laser beam

text wall incoming

[mossy horizon]

[cyan flame]

Yeah.. I should probs be sleeping..

[worn pumice]

brace for impact

[crude girder]

Yall are gonna have to give me a minute to unpack this

[icy lion]

did you just compare homosexuality to mixpacking

im gonna have to stop this before it starts

[cyan flame]

I don't think you understand why we have a problem with mixherding/packing.

[paper oriole]

[cyan flame]

It's.. not at all comparable, is all I can say to that

[worn pumice]

man funniest thing ive read today

[paper oriole]

Did he really compare racial profiling snd homosexuality to herbivorous reptiles eating together?

[mossy horizon]

Lol

[worn pumice]

yes

[paper oriole]

Amazing

Spectacular as usual, Class

[icy lion]

oh that too, just saw that edit

[worn pumice]

wait

[mossy horizon]

Yipes

[worn pumice]

color of their skin?

i thought we were talking of dinos

[crude girder]

So yeah I have a problem with mixed herds, they break the intended balance of predator and prey. Mixed packs are also an issue, and one which will additionally be addressed through diets. As for the homophobe/racism analogy, gosh golly gee I sure am sorry for offending your pixel dinosaur

[paper oriole]

Get those green tenontos the fuck away from my orange only herd

[mossy horizon]

This is about dinosaurs too damn it

[worn pumice]

so ur comparing racism homosexuality and dinosaurs?

[icy lion]

lets not continue this topic, please

[cyan flame]

Yeah, fair enough, this is weirder than usual, even for Islecord

[worn pumice]

theres prolly sum weirder suggestions out there

somewhere

[crude girder]

There are

and you don't have to look very hard to find them

[limber hull]

That was 100% the greatest message i saw all week tho. That's all I'm gonna say

[worn pumice]

actually i already know of one lol

[cyan flame]

Oh boy.. :p

[paper oriole]

What ever Class is, he is certainly interesting to say the least

[icy lion]

you can continue the droughts discussion, but not the more recent one, just wanted to clarify

[worn pumice]

oh wait was that suggestion

[icy lion]

sorry, wrong word

[worn pumice]

all g

[glacial quest]

🤔

[crude girder]

So yeah seasons/weather + diets = good, Carnivores = hardmode, and players playing the game = good

thank you for attending my ted talk

[turbid mauve]

all im asking for is abundance is herbivores, seasonal changes, and carnis to have it hard.

[worn pumice]

👏

[paper oriole]

You asked for abundance of herbivores while also asking for them to be handicapped

Pick one

[crude girder]

If you want the Carnivores to have it hard, then why give them free food with dry seasons?

[worn pumice]

u asked for them to be handicapped

[cyan flame]

Well then you should be glad to know we might get some seasonal and weather changes, carnis do in general have it slightly harder cause their food tends to not want to be food, and AI will always have to support players when it comes to herbis most likely, because carnis are just that much cooler!

[worn pumice]

in a way they can just leave anyways

[crude girder]

Also I think you misunderstand diets signifigantly

An animal having a diet =/= the animal is constantly about to starve, it just means you eat a different type of food

[turbid mauve]

handicapped in a specific time period to combat their dominating force in the quantity that carnivores cannot penetrate. imagine fighting a wall of trikes.

[mossy horizon]

Okay so basically diets preventing mixpacking if herbivores of the same species have to compete for the same foods and with droughts/floods having a huge effect on where all dinosaurs, especially herbivores, will be?

[crude girder]

So it's not like Herbivore players will be constantly about to diet, it just means you need to keep moving to keep your stats topped off

[paper oriole]

Herbis do NOT have a “dominating force” to balance out

[cyan flame]

Easy solution. Limit the amount of trikes you can have. Force them to split up when feeding. And so on.

Also there's always more carni players than herbis anyway

[paper oriole]

Carnivores take up 80% of a server, herbivores are not the ones who need a population check

[crude girder]

With diets you can limit the food for Triceratops (thereby limiting the amount of Triceratops) without ALSO limiting the amount of say, Dryosaurus

[cyan flame]

So even if you got the entire servers worth of herbis in one area, the entire servers worth of carnis would proably outnumber them 2:1 at least

Even when there used to be these big tenno herds (15 or so), you'd easily get the same amount of utahs in half the time, and more utahs would pour in far faster than any tenno reinforcements

[turbid mauve]

Not a solution. HERBIVORES HAVE THE RIGHT, to great as herds as large as they please. CARNIS HOWEVER, do not because life aint DANDY REMEBER? THESE HERBIVORES ARE THE PRIMARY SOURCE CONSUMERS OF PLANTS. CARNIVORES ARE THE SECONDARY.

[turbid mauve]

did u not read what the fuq i said about increase ABUNDANCE IN HERBIVORES????

[crude girder]

So you have an issue with massive herbivores herds, but you also want massive herbivore herds?

[paper oriole]

How

Explain

[cyan flame]

It is absolutely a solution. Herbis have no "right" to have herds, any more than carnis do, and basing it on herds/packs is questionable, as we've gone through too. It's a game, players will choose to play what they prefer. Simple as that.

[hoary dawn]

man yall are still at this huh

[cyan flame]

There will be no player made abundance of herbis

[turbid mauve]

A.I. NOW

[cyan flame]

We know this from progression

As someone mentioned, austro wars

[worn pumice]

im gonna just peace out cuz this is going nowhere

[paper oriole]

Clogging up a server with ai doesnt fix the fact that herbis are underplayed

[crude girder]

You're giving me flashbacks

[cyan flame]

And that was with no ai, progression time, and pretty easy life for herbis

You still had people rather be austros and die a thousand times over than go herbi

[crude girder]

Plus AI herbs will probably not want to hang out with you all that much

[paper oriole]

Herbi PLAYERS shouldnt be punished for the presence of herbi AI

[compact hare]

No way yall still in this topic

[cyan flame]

It's nice to see someone else that has been around as long :)

[crude girder]

on top of that, idk if you noticed the Stegosaurus group limit is 5, not 50, Herbivores won't be encouraged to start forming these massive herds because that's simply not what most of them are meant for

[worn pumice]

[paper oriole]

You cant just fill a server with herbi AI and then handicap herbis claiming “they need a population check”

[turbid mauve]

FINE THEN LIMIT THE CARNIVORE FRACTION SELECTION TO A LIMITION OF IMPLANTED CARNIVORES. WHEREAS, HERBIVORES DO NOT RECIEVE A LIMITION. CARNIVORES WILL NEED TO REPRODUCE, MAKE IT HARD FOR THEM

[tepid gate]

They will always be underplayed unless you make some of them really good at hunting and killing other playables.

[fading fjord]

Austro warz.....

[cyan flame]

See you around stego friend! :)

[paper oriole]

Forcefully limiting a faction is stupid

[worn pumice]

too late im stuck here lol

[crude girder]

This is an even worse idea lol, why not just balance the herbivores around reasonable groups?

[paper oriole]

Give herbivores better gameplay than what they have without forcing restrictions on the other faction

[cyan flame]

Just going to say, 5 stegos are 2-3 too many :p

[crude girder]

Triceratops is on power par with a Rex, why should it be able to group up in herds of dozens?

[turbid mauve]

CAUSE HERBIVORES HAVE THE RIGHT TO FORMS HERDS AS LARGE AS THEY PLEASE DA FUQ?> HOW U GONNA FORCE A PLAYER TO STAY OUT OF RADIUS OF ANOTHER???????

[cyan flame]

Stego should be one of those herbis that do not come in very big groups, precisely because they are powerful (or should be).

[tepid gate]

E.g. there was a spike in the number of Stegos during the early days of update 3 because people found out Stego was good vs Deinosuchus at the time and since a lot of people played Deino some people decided to go Stego just to kill the crocs.

[severe idol]

Gonna need you to chill a bit there, MaliceClass.

[crude girder]

Limit their species' food via diets ez

[cyan flame]

@turbid mauveCan you please stop "shouting"..

[worn pumice]

powerful

[crude girder]

Like if you only want 5 Triceratops, just limit the food supply to only sustain 5 trikes

[cyan flame]

One day, fellow stego, one day! :p

[crude girder]

if you get more, then let the debuffs begin, because you can't maintain your diet with that many

So this giant trike herd would all be suffering from crippling debuffs because there isn't enough food to go around

[turbid mauve]

did deino get buffed and resolved the issue?

[tepid gate]

No

[worn pumice]

honestly im used to the attacking system if they could just change the stam and revert it and fix deinos collision it wouldnt be too bad

[crude girder]

meanwhile a more moderate herd would be at the peak of their strength

[tepid gate]

changes to the hitboxes turned the tables a bit

[turbid mauve]

so what happened

[paper oriole]

Gen feedback has melted enough of my braindells tonight, peace

[tepid gate]

Deino can actually take a Stego on 1v1 now

[turbid mauve]

so deino got buffed in hitboxes?

[crude girder]

o/

[cyan flame]

I'd get used to it if I could be arsed to play. It's not terrible, I know that, it's just weird. But with current lack of gameplay, and no good "sandbox", I just can't be arsed you know.. :p

[worn pumice]

deino can actually come out on top most of the time cuz collision and alt bite plus stun

[tepid gate]

No, its just the way the locational damage works that got changed in the last patch

[crude girder]

It's less that Deino got buffed, and more so the mechanic itself changed

[turbid mauve]

So deino got buffed in locational damage works?

[crude girder]

the change just so happened to benefit Deino

[worn pumice]

it feels more like an alt attack imo but it what it is

[crude girder]

it also just so happened to seriously harm Utah

but neither were actual dedicated changes to those animals, just the byproduct of the change to the base system

[turbid mauve]

of course u'd care about utah more than stego

but aken ur response please

[tepid gate]

Basically: before the patch if you bit at something and the first hit you hit was the tail then even if you reached the body and the head with your attack you'd still deal just the tail-shot damage. Now the game prioritises the highest locational area that you hit

[cyan flame]

Yeah. I do wish it had slightly better coverage of the head, or at least that you didn't neccesarily turn as much, but I think it's also something to get used to. We could do with something for the front, because shoving your head into a rock or tree is.. dumb :p

[crude girder]

Stego is honestly still pretty much fine, Utah got destroyed by the change in comparison lol

[tepid gate]

Meaning that if you hit multiple bodyparts including the head the game will treat the attack as a headshot

[worn pumice]

indeed

[turbid mauve]

So locational damage gave a buff in deino damage?

[tepid gate]

It's not just a change for Deinosuchus

You could say that yes

Basically its a change that buffs the big animals

[crude girder]

Deino is still doing the same damage, it's just easier to hit weakpoints

[worn pumice]

stego is below average honestly i wouldnt say its terrible but its not good

[tepid gate]

It's more so that Deino has an easier time landing headshots now

[cyan flame]

Just make it so you only reach utah base of tail on dismount and you're good. Still takes wounds to take the utah out, but won't die unless it's maybe miles from wallowing/resting. :p

[crude girder]

I find that its only bad matchup at the moment is Deino

Stego does fine vs Utah and Carno

[patent garden]

considering how they’re the same time to grow, stego’s survivability is pretty trash compared to deino

[tepid gate]

Idk about that, I've killed some Stegos as a Carno

[cyan flame]

Vs carno, most likely. Vs utah, not really. Utahs that know how to go for headshot will take a stego.

[worn pumice]

idk about that either

[cyan flame]

With 2-4 of them

[turbid mauve]

Great, thanks for letting me know not to play stego ever again due to the fact that deino is now stronger than stego. Way to go, in balance guys. fun stuff. I don't care cuz i got my ptera and if played right i can avoid interaction with other players all together.

[worn pumice]

carnos is its only good match up

[cyan flame]

Unless stego has a way to just hide head completely

[tepid gate]

I've had an easier time killing it than in the previous patches

[worn pumice]

stegos run outta stam way too fast

it doesnt have any other attacking system

and yet its so limited

[tepid gate]

You can still kill a Deino as Stego

[cyan flame]

It's not even that, it's the headshot strategy

There's not much you can do vs that except hide head completely

[tepid gate]

it's just that it's more of a 50/50 match up now

[cyan flame]

Carnos are easier to hit, less mobile, and less stam

[patent garden]

i only play pteras and dryos rn... game’s not in a good enough state to bother growing anything longer than those, especially with all the desync shit

[cyan flame]

Can't dance around you as much

[tepid gate]

Deino does just fine in the current game

[worn pumice]

its just rly weird that the dino that has to come to drink with no choice has a 50/50

[crude girder]

Animal can kill other animal = Animal invalidates other animal

[tepid gate]

I play mainly Deino now because it's simply the best pvp animal of the current patch

[cyan flame]

Did someone say something invalidated something? :p

[worn pumice]

its more of a 60/40 honestly

if u just stun and alt bite its over

[crude girder]

Deino invalidates Stego, swarm the forums and let the others know!

[patent garden]

stegos shouldnt be a prey item tho, and they kinda are rn

[cyan flame]

I did say it's late here, kindly behave, I'm too tired to figure out if you're trolling or being serious :p

[patent garden]

they should be a “do not fuck with” hard-hitting herbi, not something a small utah pack can demolish

[crude girder]

Oh I'm trolling atm lol you might want to get some sleep tho

[worn pumice]

hopefully stego gets looked at soon

doesnt need buffs just changes

[crude girder]

The stupid locational is the issue

[worn pumice]

^

that too

[patent garden]

^

[turbid mauve]

no body cares about our gameplay reals, they want stego in the gutter, oh they'll get stego in the gutter by not being played. cause now ima go deino route. which says about me cause rarely do i ever cater to the carnivore side

[cyan flame]

I know. I should have been sleeping at least 7-8 hours ago. But I enjoy being up at night.. and I'm generally bad at going to bed at that so.. here we are :p

[crude girder]

Too damn easy to hit its face through its body, the Stego is fine otherwise

[tepid gate]

I think the main issue with Stego is that it can only attack 10 times before it runs out of steam

[patent garden]

prior to the hitbox change and all the awful desync issues, stego was in a fairly good place

op yes, but they’re not meant to be fatter tenontos

[icy lion]

the hitbox changes also made stego stronger, too

[patent garden]

f

[crude girder]

Yeah Stego vs Utah is a hard stomp for Stego, ez clap vs 6 Utahs

[tepid gate]

Yea Stego does much better vs Utah now

[cyan flame]

Nah, it's not just that. Utah headshot strategy needs some looks at too.

[tepid gate]

with those changes

[crude girder]

and the Carno matchup got a lot easier as well

[cyan flame]

Yeah.. no :p Three utahs takes a stego headshotting it, you know that right? :p

[worn pumice]

ive seen just one utah killing stegos honestly

[tepid gate]

Overall those changes made the game more in favour of the larger animals instead of letting small rats use their tails as shields to take little to no damage.

[crude girder]

Uh, Three Utahs can kill a Stego if that Stego fails to land a single attack I guess, that's kind of on the Stego isn't it?

[cyan flame]

It only does better against utahs if they pounce, otherwise it means nothing

[patent garden]

as long as the utahs dont pounce its actually pretty easy for utahs to take down a stego

[cyan flame]

You can't hit infront of your face..

[pale bloom]

You have to be really bad to lose to a single Utah

[tepid gate]

I still remember that video of a Chihuahua-sized hatchling Stego being repeatedly bitten by a fully grown Deino and receiving no damage.

[crude girder]

You can pretty quickly pivot and you can get pretty creative with the tail jab if you time things well

[worn pumice]

overall the hitbox changes were for the better imo

it just made sum changes that rly screwed sum things

[tepid gate]

It was a bit funny but honestly it was atrocious gamedesign, it's a really good thing they've introduced the change

[turbid mauve]

[patent garden]

stego shouldnt take more skill than utah does to play tho........

[crude girder]

Stegosaurus does have a very obvious weakpoint, but its by no means impossible to play around

[pale bloom]

I agree with this

[cyan flame]

Not sure on that, yes you can turn okayish, and try and catch them. But if they know what they're doing, they won't get caught, and they'll get you. They hold all the advantages in the fight.

[turbid mauve]

reals, they don't understand. just dont bother.

[patent garden]

carnis require very little skill right now, why do only herbis need a shit ton of skill to counteract a massive pack?

[worn pumice]

it rly doesnt help u can only swing 10 times

[patent garden]

f

[turbid mauve]

this games a scam anyway

[icy lion]

[pale bloom]

[icy lion]

stego needs the swing cost lowered

[tepid gate]

Herbivores don't require much skill either. All the animals are pretty straight-forward to play

[crude girder]

They do, but should they make a single mistake it's instant death for them. Tho I do agree headshots are a little too easy to land atm

[worn pumice]

^^^^^^^^^^^

[tepid gate]

I agree, Stego should be capable of swinging its tail some more

[worn pumice]

it also doesnt help that stegos head has a 2X multiplier

[crude girder]

Didn't it get increased without a patch note in one of the hotfixes?

[worn pumice]

it can swing only 10 times

[icy lion]

something like that

[tepid gate]

It can swing only 10 times, Hypernova

[patent garden]

it wouldnt in a 1v1, sure, but against a large pack of carnis? yeah, carnis are heavily favored

[icy lion]

which makes me think it could be a bug

[turbid mauve]

I agree, have deino be the majority of the population

[crude girder]

It's almost definitely a bug if it wasn't noted

[tepid gate]

The side with greater numbers is always the favoured one, that's normal

[worn pumice]

idk if the QA members noted it or anyone else buts its 10 swings now in case u didnt know

[patent garden]

ever since they nerfed stegos i havent seen almost any stegos these days — back when they were stomping on deinos, i still saw plenty of deinos

[tepid gate]

I think it already is the majority of the population. A tonne of people decided to play Evrima just to play the croc.

[worn pumice]

^

[turbid mauve]

interesting ambushing mechanics then

[tepid gate]

I see Stegos quite a lot still

[cyan flame]

Not if they turn, you can still keep out of range as utah. Tailboxes are there, as long as you keep the distance. And stego extra head weakness doesn't do the stego any favours obviously. I just don't think shoving your head into a rock vs 2-3 utahs should be a good thing when you're a plains animal. Nor that 2-3 utahs should even stand a chance really. The problem I see is how to make pounce good (well, dismount fix would solve 99% of that), and headbiting a bad strategy vs stegos (no idea how to fix that), at least for utahs.

[turbid mauve]

rarely do i ever see stego, what are u on?

and im ptera

[tepid gate]

I've seen around 6 today

and I've played for... 2 hours maybe?

[turbid mauve]

ive seen 1 today

[patent garden]

unofficial servers or official?

[crude girder]

Stegos aren't that hard to come by, they tend to hang about near the central river and the waterfall in the south east iirc

[tepid gate]

Official EU3 and 5

on EU3 I've seen a fully grown adult and 2 juvies

[patent garden]

huh i havent seen many on NA

[tepid gate]

on 5 I've seen two subadults and one juvie

[worn pumice]

honestly stegos isnt terrible it just needs to be looked at

[turbid mauve]

yes they are, wtf are y'all on?

[crude girder]

I mean part of it is that the bite does so much damage, since pounce used to be useless. If that was toned down and the dismount wasn't ass, then the Utah would pounce more

[turbid mauve]

crocs are the only major population

[next dawn]

Think what's a little silly atm is that pounce as a tool isn't viable vs stegos anymore. Completely unrelated to what the balance looks like in the matchup. Especially if it's meant to be a tool for bleeding

[crude girder]

I believe it's called "looking" you may want to attempt it

[tepid gate]

Pounce does need to be looked at for sure

It's currently kind of bad imo

[worn pumice]

pouncing's bleed/dmg is good pretty balanced imo just need to fix that dismount

[turbid mauve]

Ive like probably seen 1 stego in a all of phew, this week. and when i saw it i was like :0 wow

[crude girder]

Better dismount and less bite damage are my ideas, but that's getting into #balance-feedback

[tepid gate]

The dismount needs a fix I honestly am not a fan of pounce doing bleed instead of damage but w/e

[cyan flame]

The dismount needs fixing, obviously. I would probably make it so stego gains bleed resist on head/neck, + maybe a tiny nerf on the bite for utah (or more likely, stego health increase). So it's less viable to bleed stego on head, you'd pounce, bleed the stego, then when it's low/out of stam, you'd go nom on head + extra pounces if you wanted, to finish it off. maybe..

[crude girder]

I was a part of a Stego herd of 4 just the other day on NA 1, so they aren't all that uncommon if you know where to look

[turbid mauve]

I was ptera and i searched the entire map lmao

[pale bloom]

I would say giving Stego bit more HP, I dislike the whole idea of making the Utah bite weaker

[cyan flame]

I like the idea of utahs bleeding, and thus wearing big prey out, to finish them off when they're very low on blood, either by damage to their head, or bleed (though I'm also in favour of bleed not killing so there is that) :p

[worn pumice]

im honestly more worried about deino vs stego

[crude girder]

Players don't even go to 90% of it, you'd have better luck rotating around hotspots

[turbid mauve]

utah should be taken down by stego with one tail strike.

[tepid gate]

I don't really see why you'd finish something with damage if you're trying to bleed it out

[cyan flame]

Honestly, a nerf wouldn't be bad, remember that utahs can now kill another utah with one pounce + a bite. And there's nothing the other utah can do about it..

[pale bloom]

It currently does

[turbid mauve]

I did that too

[tepid gate]

it is

[crude girder]

Increasing Stego's HP is not the move, at least for this specific issue imo. Carno and Deino balance would be thrown off as well

[turbid mauve]

I think carno should be taken down by stego with one tail spike strike.

[worn pumice]

i mean carno can 6 shot it in the head

[pale bloom]

Yes but that's a matchup it won't likely happen unless you're distracted (player fault) getting pounced by another Utah in combat won't likely happen, and I really feel Utah bite isn't enought to fight most of the roster right now

[cyan flame]

Deino could be handled by maybe lowering stego damage slightly, and carno is not an issue, they do not hunt stegos. Let them hunt utahs, and utahs hunt stegos :p

[turbid mauve]

why are animals even going after a stego anyways? it aint the preffered prey. carnos prey dryo and small game.

[cyan flame]

In any case, rebalancing isn't a bad thing

You could rebalance the entire roster, it might very well be a good thing

[crude girder]

Lowering Stego damage changes the Carno matchup then, making it easier for them to gank Stego

[cyan flame]

It's far from perfect at the moment at least

[patent garden]

im more worried about deino v stego survivability. honestly stego has worse survivability which... for the sake of balance, herbis should have better survivability (or at least equal...) than carnis for the same amount of time investment. herbis have an automatic target on their backs since people still wanna do their roleplay crap

[cyan flame]

Not really, lower it with a few hundred, you still twoshot a carno? :p

[crude girder]

Honestly Teno v Carno is in a great spot personally, so I'd want to see the game balanced around those two

[worn pumice]

what if u just lessen the multiple on the head?

[cyan flame]

That is fair enough. Get to it then!

[tepid gate]

Carno is not a threat to a Dryo at all. Idk what you have to be doing to die to a Carno as a Dryo

[crude girder]

That's not how that works

[turbid mauve]

how would a stego be ganked by carnos when herbivores are the ones who are suppose to be in herds like my mind is boggeling rn

[pale bloom]

Good luck catching a Dryo as a Carno

[tepid gate]

^

[cyan flame]

Utah shouldnt be fighting with it's bite primarily anyway? :p And I don't know, I've pounced other utahs in combat before at least. But maybe that's not very common anymore, so can't say anything on that.

[cyan flame]

What? :p

[worn pumice]

dryo is somewhat op in survival terms

[patent garden]

yeh ironically dryo has better survivability than stego imo lmao

[pale bloom]

It shouldn't yes but the problem is Pounce now its neither worth to use on most scenarios

[tepid gate]

Dryo has better survivability than any other animal in the game

[worn pumice]

deino somehow does better on land then stego lol

[patent garden]

i end up having to purposely kill myself as a dryo to play something else

[cyan flame]

Stop it with the herd thing..

[crude girder]

If Stego does less damage to Carno, then it becomes easier for a Carno to kill a Stego. There's nothing stopping the Carno from getting its own pack to counter the Stegos, and the game shouldn't be balanced around Herbivores always having a herd. If that was the case then animals like Teno should be nerfed, so that you need 3 or 4 to stand up to Carnos

Like if we are going with "Stegos are in herds" Then stego should be nerfed in both HP and Attack, if you want to be powerful, get a herd

[pale bloom]

Dryo is fine as long as people tries to chase you thinking you're AI, and you juke them, that's fun

[turbid mauve]

You're whole argument is confusing.

[crude girder]

We just recommend balance lol, we don't directly change any values

[tepid gate]

There's one animal that can outrun a Dryo and that one animal has the least stamina in the game with some of the worst turn rates while Dryo has the best stamina and maneuverability. Dryo is literally immortal as long as you don't want to die.

[worn pumice]

become a dev

[crude girder]

If an animal is balanced around having a large herd, it should be balanced around having a herd. this would mean that alone they aren't that scary because they should be in a herd.

[turbid mauve]

this isn't league of legends. this a dinosaur survival video game and "common sense" should be applied. in the sense of giving stego its accurate representation of its dmg.

[crude girder]

Would if I had literally a single skill that was applicable

[patent garden]

nerf dryo pog?

[tepid gate]

Stego has the highest damage in the game though?

[worn pumice]

[turbid mauve]

and it can only one shot the damn utah, what a coincidence.

[patent garden]

but also the most stam punishment for its damage

[crude girder]

It's also a game where letting the most powerful class group up in megaherds is not a good idea, and won't be balanced around

[turbid mauve]

the sacirifical lamb

[pale bloom]

1 shooting Carnos will throw all the balance thru the window with the current roster

[patent garden]

and keep in mind deinos can also “one-shot” tenontos, carnos, and utahs, via drowning

[turbid mauve]

maybe then prey on your preffered prey items the fuck?

[icy lion]

what?

[turbid mauve]

tiny raptor kills huge rex

[pale bloom]

Easier to counter than swings in combat imo

[cyan flame]

You know utahs will hunt rexes right :p

[cyan flame]

What? :p

[mossy horizon]

If rex dies then skill issue

[patent garden]

easier to counter... by drinking from shallow spots only...?

[worn pumice]

its not lol

thats so cap

[cyan flame]

I mean, if utah can hunt other big things, why not rexes too? :p

[worn pumice]

a deino actually does better on land then stego

[turbid mauve]

what hotspots are u talking about?

[worn pumice]

when fighting the other playables

[patent garden]

you know you can just... not engage with stegos, right? meanwhile dinos have no choice but to potentially engage with deinos (other than shallow spots)

[turbid mauve]

hotspots should be determined by access to water not player choice location.

[patent garden]

literally everything in the game can escape from a stego

[cyan flame]

... normally hotspots are determined by such things?

[patent garden]

even deinos

[cyan flame]

Anyway.. getting too tired for all this..

[pale bloom]

But that's not the way to go, otherwise what Stegos will have to be worried about?

[worn pumice]

deino suffers from that issue tho

[pale bloom]

Eventually something gonna hunt you

[worn pumice]

deino is literally that

nothing to worry about except ur own kind

[crude girder]

I mean yeah, hunting your preferred prey is the idea? At the same time animals won't be balanced around having other players with you, since you can't guarantee you have a herd/pack with you. Some very specific exceptions due to having specific pack based mechanics, like Pounce. If the game is balanced around solo play/small groups, then you want to discourage people forming large groups that break balance.

[tepid gate]

it does and I don't think it should be like this

[turbid mauve]

nothing as of right now.

[pale bloom]

Because Deino it's OP

[worn pumice]

exactly

alt bite needs to cost stam

[tepid gate]

This is exactly the reason why I suggested that Deino shouldn't regenerate its hp unless its resting

[turbid mauve]

I'm looking forward to a.i teno herds.

[pale bloom]

But it's OP because it's a very niche playable + very high tier in stats

[tepid gate]

As it is there's no reason for Deino to be on land like ever

[crude girder]

I don't think they'll be as common/large as you think, probably 8 animals max based off the group limit.

[pale bloom]

Deino has the second best survivality, only being behind Dryo because cannibalism

[tepid gate]

Pretty much

[turbid mauve]

thats a good number. ill blend right in and when predators come, i'll be the first to run.

[worn pumice]

like theres literally no reason a deino needs to fight a stego as 50/50 u can drown 77% stegs and its basically a one shot

[crude girder]

They probably won't want you around them, since you're a stranger and competing for the same food as the other Tenos

[tepid gate]

I don't agree with that, the game shouldn't be balanced this way

[turbid mauve]

what?

[tepid gate]

the fact that Deino has too good of a match up against literally everything else

shouldn't mean that it should have a bad match up against Stego

[turbid mauve]

why u tryna complicate things like holy 😏

[tepid gate]

It should have a decent match up against Stego and have its other match ups tuned down one way or another imo

[crude girder]

You are competition, it's not like Land Before Time with all the plant eaters working together, you are a stranger and potentially a threat, they wouldn't just take you in like family

[pale bloom]

Considering the grow times and the stats, both Deino and Stego should be doing good against each other, and it kinda happens now in the 1v1

[worn pumice]

it still doesnt make it right that deino can just stun and alt bite w/o stego not being able to run away

[turbid mauve]

alright so suppose i die to teno a.i herds, right? what happens next?

[tepid gate]

I mean - the stun from the lunge should go, I have no idea why that's even a thing

[crude girder]

You'd only die if you ran up to them and ignored any threat displays

[icy lion]

then you respawn

[crude girder]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes

[worn pumice]

even if u dont lunge u can still most likely kill the stego anyways

[icy lion]

dont call people bigots, please

be civil

[tepid gate]

it's a really close call then and you have a good chance of watching the character selection screen

Which is how it should be imo

[crude girder]

You would die, and then respawn? Maybe go take a break and think about how you ran up to a group of unknown dinosaurs and didn't leave when they threatened you?

[worn pumice]

stego should be holding the advantage in the fight

even at the shore

[turbid mauve]

no. I wouldn't respawn. I'd get mad and become a carnivore.

[tepid gate]

I think the match up should be 50/50

[crude girder]

Wack

[mossy horizon]

And die again lol

[icy lion]

[turbid mauve]

thats what i thot

[cyan flame]

So?.. You respawn as carni and play that instead? So what?..

[worn pumice]

thats bad balance ur making the dinosaur that has to drink a 50/50 with something it cant escape and has a way too close fight with

[crude girder]

So your solution to "I made an obvious mistake" is not learn from it, but instead pick an even more difficult to survive as animal?

[pale bloom]

And that would just lead to "Stegos going fishing Crocs" situation again

[turbid mauve]

u can survive as ptera if played right with little to no interaction with other players. and food isnt much regardless

[icy lion]

i mean its completely your choice if you want to play a carni after dying as a herbi ig

[crude girder]

When you starve to death as Carnivore, what's the move?

[worn pumice]

thats still largely a map issue

if rivers were actually wide/deep deino wouldnt be having issues

[icy lion]

well yea, its a flyer. its sort of inherent to that type of animal

[tepid gate]

You can escape a Deino though - if you just move in land it won't get you, it's slower than you and its bites on your tail deal no damage to you

[crude girder]

You've already gotten mad at Herbivore, and now you're mad at Carnivore so what... you just stop playing the game?

[mossy horizon]

Trees are your biggest enemy then

[turbid mauve]

You don't starve as ptera

[crude girder]

This is true, Ptera is the super training wheels easy mode

Weenie hut jrs if you will

[tepid gate]

Besides - Deino has to alt bite to use its full dps. If it just bites you with its normal bites it won't be doing anywhere near that much damage. If it uses alt bites it stops moving though.

[worn pumice]

yea but the stego still needs to drink actively and come to water its not possible to turn around and run by then the deino will have killed u

[icy lion]

idk i still see people say they dont know how to fly and fish lmao

[turbid mauve]

damn straight so, u will hunt a.i teno herds and youll be the one to die. ill watch.

[tepid gate]

Trust me, I've made some tests with another person playing a Stego - you aren't going to catch a Stego that doesn't want to get caught

[mossy horizon]

Which begs the question of why normal bites exist in the first place

[crude girder]

Nah see I'll survive because I learn from my mistakes and I don't charge in recklessly when I'm outnumbered

[tepid gate]

ikr, the attack rate of the two should be reversed

[worn pumice]

^

[pale bloom]

Trust me 80% of the Deinos won't kill you in a 1v1 if you're healthy. They don't even know alt bite exist

[tepid gate]

Deino would then need to use its brains and get to Stego' head to 1v1 it

[icy lion]

agreed

[worn pumice]

oh yea deinos that dont know how to alt bite yet r still hilarious

[icy lion]

deino alt needs a stam cost as well imo

[mossy horizon]

Good idea, would make normal bites more geared towards the front and alt biting wouldnt be as fast

[turbid mauve]

imagine tenos attacking other tenos due to food constraints. when herbivores dont suffer what carnivores suffer in food abundance

[crude girder]

"Oh gosh I only have a single Carno, and that's 8 Tenos, maybe I won't risk that" - rational Carno thought process

[pale bloom]

Because honestly I don't see the scenario of a single Deino destroying a Stego itself much, actually never saw it, but Stegos 1v1 Deinos? Lots of times

[worn pumice]

honestly if deinos collision was somewhat there then we wouldnt be having this stego issue

[crude girder]

If you don't want to run into the malnutrition debuffs, you need enough food to go around, if there isn't enough food to go around, there are too many of you there, so you either need to keep moving constantly, or there should be fewer of you

[mossy horizon]

I mean didnt you want immersion

[turbid mauve]

WHY WOULD A TENO HERD ATTACK AND THREATEN ANOTHER TENO WHO IS 2 CALLING AND FOUR CALLING>??????

[icy lion]

herbi food competition is very immersive

[crude girder]

Because you aren't leaving lol

[mossy horizon]

And you're another mouth to feed

[crude girder]

Just because you are friendly doesn't make you stop needing to eat their food

Like sure you won't kill them, but if they take you in, and take the debuffs, that is a threat to their survival

[hoary dawn]

"yo why tf this guy calling the police after i walked into his house i said i was a cool guy"

[turbid mauve]

ITS THE SAME SPECIES. OMG, my brain just exploded. U THINK HERBIVORES WONT HAVE FOOD? THERE ISNT EVEN A DRY SEASON YET>?????

[pale bloom]

Dude I've seen my packmates Stegos getting killed by another Stego, you don't even count its part of the game aswell Lol

[icy lion]

calm down please

you can have shortages of good food without droughts

[crude girder]

Diets will probably be balanced around the maximum groups sizes, so like, 8 tenos in a spot at once, any more and you start running out of food

[worn pumice]

hey i just broke into someones house but i gave them a high five why r they calling the cops?

[icy lion]

no ones gonna want to be forced to eat only grass

[worn pumice]

[crude girder]

Droughts would probably lower that amount of food more, meaning those 8 tenos have to move constantly during a drought

[turbid mauve]

lmao dispearing foliage 😏

[icy lion]

yes, food bushes already do that

[crude girder]

Yeah dude it's almost like eating something makes it despawn

[mossy horizon]

Doesnt matter if it's the same species tbf
Maybe certain species will be more tolerant than others but that doesnt mean you can just waltz into a random A.I. herd

[worn pumice]

theres someone out there who wants to do just this

[mossy horizon]

Grass only challenge

[hoary dawn]

preferred foods will be limited, so if you want to grow effectively you will need to compete over the best food before someone else eats it

[crude girder]

If you wanted full immersive AI, they'd kill you for no reason lol

[turbid mauve]

speaking to you is just giving me headaches, guess u havent heard of the term moving around the map and migrating and shit

[crude girder]

Me: "They'd have to move around"

Sorry guys I've been retconned out of existence

[cyan flame]

@crude girderCan I have another TLDR? ^^

[pale bloom]

That actually sounds fun "I got KOSed by AI and I ragequitted"

[icy lion]

thats literally all hypernova has been talking about lol

[crude girder]

of which part?

[cyan flame]

Whatever this latest thing is? :p

[crude girder]

Diets should be the limiting factor on herbivore populations to prevent overcrowding, Class says no

[hoary dawn]

you have to move around because preferred foods will be limited, once all the food at one site gets eaten up you have to migrate to a new one

[cyan flame]

Got it, thank you.

[turbid mauve]

alright so i wont be able to go in teno a.i herd. and become friends. thats cool. cause neither will ur carno. and i will get the abundance in herbivores that i so clearly wanted to study and observe their behavior and how they survive. hence strength "in numbers"

[cyan flame]

... I don't think all AI will come in max herds

[turbid mauve]

WTF

[cyan flame]

Nor should they, it should be variable in numbers and ages for that matter

[turbid mauve]

how many then

[cyan flame]

Would make for more interesting encounters and all that

[mossy horizon]

I mean I'm p sure as I said certain Herbis will probably be more tolerant than others

[cyan flame]

I imaigne you could find anything from a solo ai to a full herd, from juvie to adult, and so on.

At least I would like that

[turbid mauve]

and they dont grow right?

[cyan flame]

Especially if they can pull off different reactions based on numbers/age and all

And what the AI encounter of course

[turbid mauve]

nor nest and such, right

?

[crude girder]

The Ai Herd won't like strangers probably, so no you won't be friends with them.

My carno wouldn't fuck with that many Tenos, since I only pick fights I think I can win, no point being reckless

The Herbivores would still be limited by their food supply, so you won't end up with massive Teno herds for more than a few minutes at most before starvation makes them either easy prey, or disperse.

[cyan flame]

@turbid mauveI doubt it, but they should at least require food and water or something. But probs no nesting or something, hence the different ages from AI.

[crude girder]

Ai do actually grow over time

Plus eventually I'd imagine they would nest and eat and such

[cyan flame]

@crude girderAI should react differently depending on numbers. A 4 man tenno herd would accept you as player into it. A 7 man one might be less so inclined, unless given circumstances are good (if it can measure food around and all somehow)

I think I'm trying to make sense of stuff again.. sorry! :p

[crude girder]

Honestly I'd imagine it'd be less acceptance and more tolerance

[turbid mauve]

imagine starving as a herbivore. what is this legacy?

there can be strong herbivores who eat variety, and those who don't. thats good. bulls are meant for demonstrating the fittest genes pass on.

[crude girder]

By starvation I'm referencing the malnutrition debuffs. Having too many animals would make the food run out, so the herds either break up into smaller ones, or they become an easy target from all the debuffs

[granite vigil]

Starving is something that shouldn't happen when you're playing right

A massive herd of animals will not be able to support themselves without a proper food source

They'll just eat it too fast

[cyan flame]

I do think they were planning on letting you group with ai, maybe even nest with them. And I do think it should be dependent on numbers, and all that. Makes for more interesting interactions I would say.

[turbid mauve]

some will remain strong, due to them eating the preffered diet

[pale bloom]

^ currently happening with Carnivores

[turbid mauve]

the weaker ones will remain weak. due to them not eating variety.

[pale bloom]

That's why I reject to play in big Carno groups, not viable

[crude girder]

And then the rest of the herd is easily picked off by predators over time, until its only the remaining strong animals, or the herd fights over who gets the good food

[cyan flame]

And then they will get culled.. :p

And since no one wants to be that one, you'll fight to get your food, most likely at least

[crude girder]

I for one wouldn't just accept being weaker, I'd fight for the good food

[cyan flame]

Either fight or leave for better pastures :p

[turbid mauve]

there will be no fights. grass is everywhere. the dominant bull will eat the shit (by shit i mean variety diet) idc. and will protect the herd. some good stuff ur pointing out gotta say

[pale bloom]

People seems to forgot that actually food level affects on your blood pool heal and stamina

[cyan flame]

Yeah.. you won't be able to protect everyone. So that won't work out.

[turbid mauve]

You can try.

[crude girder]

The bull wouldn't be able to protect them all, and one healthy Tenonto is still only a match for a single Carno, a bunch of malnourished Tenos are easy game even for a single Carno

[cyan flame]

And most likely fail :p

Yeah.. that. Also keep in mind that you're liable to have different bonds in a herd

[crude girder]

They'd tire out very quickly, so the Carno could make short work of the majority of the herd

[icy lion]

idk about you but if im in a herd and im told i cant eat my dietary requirements im leaving

[turbid mauve]

So they sport kill, sounds like fun.

[crude girder]

yeah Carnivore players do tend to do that

[granite vigil]

You become the one individual defending the herd you become the main target
You might be stronger comparatively but that doesn't save you from a pack of predators

[cyan flame]

While I will care for most tennos in my group normally, if I play with my "partner" I will prioritize them above all others.

[crude girder]

Doesn't it make sense to give the Herbivores the means to defend themselves, instead of forcing them to hope someone else saves them?

[turbid mauve]

No worries though cause with 8 tenos they should be set on food for quite some time right?

[granite vigil]

Some people just don't stop when bodies are down, just keep on going

[crude girder]

I mean only till the bodies despawn, plus if Carnivores are killing for sport they don't care about the food

odds are they are full on hunger when they start the fight even lol

[turbid mauve]

You're point? So you rather you're frail parnter get destroyed? Havent you heard of chivalry?

[crude girder]

Your partner wouldn't be frail if you weren't overcrowded

[turbid mauve]

define despawn dat shit aint natural, i think u mean decompose

[granite vigil]

^

[cyan flame]

Yeah.. if I were the leader, I would keep as many as I can keep fed and keep them fit to fight/flight and all that

[granite vigil]

One strong herd member does not save the rest

[cyan flame]

And the rest will just have to go

[crude girder]

Nah I mean despawn, like in the game, called The Isle? You may have heard of it

[granite vigil]

If anything it makes you weaker

[turbid mauve]

there's saftey in numbers. Just search around you'll find plentiful vegation, im sure of it. to sustain a huge herd.

[granite vigil]

If you're the leader you want to make sure everyone can be on equal ground instead of worrying about just yourself

[pale bloom]

Good luck trying to defend others as Stego tho, Teno might be capable but Stego...XD I know the experience

[granite vigil]

aye most do

[cyan flame]

It's doable, as long as you know the camera angles, and how to actually position yourself

[crude girder]

What you would want to do is make sure that you are your buddies are the ones getting all the good food, because there is not going to be enough of the good stuff to keep a massive herd well fed

And all the dinosaurs who aren't getting the good stuff are going to get wrecked

[strange wave]

is class pulling stupid terms and dumb ideas out of his ass again?

[pale bloom]

Some scenarios won't let you specially if you're defending another Stego, you need to place very well your attacks

[cyan flame]

90% of your huge herd is going to be weak as can be

[icy lion]

keep it civil, please

[turbid mauve]

Search around the huge map, I'm sure you'll find some greeny.

[cyan flame]

Yes and no. You can work with it, use terrain and how you stand alongside each other.

But stego is very bad at it, no doubt

[granite vigil]

You'll find some sure, but with a huge herd you'll just it eat all faster then it grows

[crude girder]

Yeah, but not just any plants will do. It has to be what your dinosaur needs, so for Teno lets say that's the red swamp flowers, only so many of those to go around

[cyan flame]

Hence why I don't think stegos should be in herds, they're really not good at the whole communal thing :p

[pale bloom]

Cries in 40% lost Stego to friendly fire

[crude girder]

yeah the herd can eat berries and grass to stay full on food, but they will be eating basically junk food, and they will suffer for it

[granite vigil]

Sticking with a large herd is fine for a little bit of time, but there's a point where you have to split in order to support the masses

[turbid mauve]

Alternate from each side of the swamp, or go to another location.

[cyan flame]

Wouldn't happen if you were with me and my temporarily non-playing tenno partner.

I do know my stego after all, even if I don't play much these days :p

[crude girder]

If you have 40+ Tenos, and there's only enough food for 8 to stay strong, it doesn't matter how much you are moving around, only 8 of you will be strong at any given time, which means everyone else is going to be easy prey

[strange wave]

meaning you'll need to cross the map to get your diet for everybody... meaning you can be picked off

[pale bloom]

I have no doubts on it , but since then I decided to keep my distance with my random Stego partners

[cyan flame]

You'd have to constantly be on the move, and probably even then be less than ideal, for most of you

[turbid mauve]

Keep moving to find sufficient food for everyone. this is veggies were talking about.

[cyan flame]

Yeah.. randoms are dangerous when it comes to stego or even tenno. Better off with people who know what they're doing

[turbid mauve]

more like the tenos will be the ones doing the picking off if they pull this succesfully

[crude girder]

Yeah, but the plants will be limited to what is deemed a reasonable size for the herds, and will be placed in such a way to make giant overcrowded herds suffer for ignoring their group limits

[cyan flame]

I don't think Class quite gets it..

[strange wave]

[turbid mauve]

Not really, just move 5 feet ahead, im sure you'll find you're flower, honey

[cyan flame]

No you won't. There won't be enough food in any one location for more than 8 tennos to fill up. By the time you reach the next location, the same goes. You can possibly "trade places" on who gets the food, but then most of you will always be only at half strength or so at best..

The heck do you think diets mean?..

[strange wave]

yes, talk to the qa member like you know more than them, brilliant idea

[crude girder]

Not if the entire swamp only has enough food for the 8 Teno limit, then you'd need to go to a new swamp, by the time you get there everyone is hungry, and oh no, looks like there's only enough food for 8 of you, so you need to go to a new swamp but look at that, there's still only enough for 8 and everyone is hungry again

[turbid mauve]

Is this confirmed by the developers?

[snow meadow]

@tough crow in regards to your group damage suggestion I'm honestly of the opinion I wish there was no friendly fire because the hit boxes in this game have always been so wonky. I was trying to defend a baby stego today from Carnos and it ended up impaled on my tail even though it was like in front of me.

Raising babies is one of my main enjoyments of the game and it sucks when you accidentally murder them lol. I think there should be reduced damage to group mates and no friendly fire to juvies if you're an adult personally

[crude girder]

Important to note: selectively

Not just any plant will work, you need the very specific thing your dinosaur is looking for

otherwise, enjoy the debuffs

[icy lion]

and travel great distances

[cyan flame]

Yes and no. We know diets will be important for your strength, and it makes sense they can be used to limit numbers, as well as who mixes with who by where the food is. And all that.

[hoary dawn]

this whole mechanic is literally meant to discourage megapacks and encourage travelling

[cyan flame]

Bleh on the travel great distances..

Otherwise diets good :p

[turbid mauve]

Then, I take all of what y'all are saying as nonsense.

[crude girder]

If the plants were just everywhere all the time, then you wouldn't need to worry about migrating every

[crude girder]

To be clear, this equally invalidates all of your points

[strange wave]

[cyan flame]

Ah yes, because we can't reasonably deduce how things might work from what we do know. Or the fact that there are group limits in the game in the first place, with group scent at that to discourage overpacking/herding?

[pale bloom]

I'm actually hyped for the diets, map Hotspots will be tonned down with this

[cyan flame]

I hope at least

Diets + nesting = stego finally having something worth the growth to play for hopefully!

[crude girder]

Get ready for Stego plains 2.0, actually contains Stegos this time edition

[fiery wraith]

when do offical servers reset?

the lag is too much

[turbid mauve]

8 Tenos are pretty strong, anyways. thats a good number

[pale bloom]

Because now as a Carni you just need to stay at Center river and move from the pond to shallows

[icy lion]

6am/pm, 12am/pm PST every day

[fiery wraith]

ty!

[cyan flame]

WWD "canyon" please and thank you! :p

[turbid mauve]

If teno herds come in variety in size does it mean they'll accept me if there are 7 tenos?

[pale bloom]

[icy lion]

i want teno herds to be aggro imo

they seem like a territorial, family-based species

[granite vigil]

agreed on that

[cyan flame]

Well yes, they're good, but most of them might not be able to be at top strength. And even so, they will still be able to be culled. Wait for them to split up for feeding, take one down, and so on :p

[crude girder]

I wouldn't bet on it, tolerate you? sure, but I doubt they'd be super buddy-buddy with you since you aren't a blood relative

[pale bloom]

I'm very aggro when playing Teno, specially if I can win the fight 😂

So why not

[crude girder]

especially since hopefully nesting will actually keep track of who is related to who

that way you can make the Ai actual family units

[pale bloom]

Being aggro tho doesn't mean chasing without reason, you won't catch up the land Carnis, just give them a good 3 call

[turbid mauve]

you sound like a Karen

[cyan flame]

@crude girderShould be able to find "bachelor/ette" groups too. I think it would be nice to be able to join up with AI if there is a spot and the going is good and all that. Hide amongst the ai, pretend you're one of them! ^^

The heck kind of argument is that?.. :p

[icy lion]

keep it civil

[crude girder]

I don't even know how this relates to my point. Please elaborate

[icy lion]

im not going to warn you again

[hoary dawn]

calling someone a karen unironically is more of an insult to yourself tbh

[turbid mauve]

The only incentive that herbivores should have to move is when the dry season comes. Imagine making stego have to travel long distances to fulfill a diet requirement. When they are meant to be grazing tanks, this is just complete bs what you have been saying, and that I think am losing brain cells trying to convey that to you.

[mossy horizon]

Or when food simply runs out due to consumption

[hallow vigil]

that class do be malice doe

[crude girder]

So Herbivore gameplay should consist of AFK simulator --> Log out --> Log in and AFK simulator?

[mossy horizon]

[granite vigil]

Some will more then likely move more then others do
I can't see the larger herbivores moving as far and as much as lets say a Gallimimus herd

Like obviously they'd move enough so they aren't sitting in one spot constantly

[hoary dawn]

this is a videogame good sir, if half of the playable classes entire gameplay is just "sit and eat grass" then it isn't fun for the player

[cyan flame]

Not all herbis might have to move as far. Some might be more inclined to migrate longer distances than others. But all should at least move around a little, not just graze in one spot. Much as stego is a plains animal, it should still have a proper diet.. Cause just standing there grazing/walking is.. not that exciting or demanding really.

[turbid mauve]

Same can be said about carnivore gameplay, considering pteradon literally has to do absolutely nothing but afk.

[crude girder]

Damn that's crazy, what about Carno and Utah?

[cyan flame]

I don't want even stegos to just graze, much as they are plains animals, because it's simply not that fun, its nice every now and then, but still.

[pale bloom]

Fishing it's not afk, and you can choose to not to and hunt Juvies with PT, making its gameplay very enjoyable

[cyan flame]

And if we're going to graze, we need better water retention(?) :p

[hallow vigil]

i like ptera cuz its the one dino i can play and not afk as lol. Flying during the juvi stage is great, compared to the AFK growth meta of regular playables. I know the stam isnt great, but thats mitigated by not flying up as much

[crude girder]

Stego's water isn't even that bad, it's the same as Teno and Dryo

[turbid mauve]

Land on a big rock or tree, and you're gucci.

[crude girder]

It just seems faster because Stego has thicc hunger

[cyan flame]

Possibly, but still, have you tried to just walk along grazing? :p

[hallow vigil]

yeah but it isnt necessary in order to survive. You can still fly around while growing and expect to make it to adulthood just fine, is what im saying.

[pale bloom]

Think all playables water consumption got nerfed tho, so they meet water spots more oftenly (meeting the Crocs)

[crude girder]

I haven't I don't graze lol

[cyan flame]

See.. grazing isn't even fun for the designated grazer :p

[pale bloom]

I use graze to grow lmao

[crude girder]

Stego is less a designated grazer and more just an animal that gets a decent amount of benefit from it

[cyan flame]

What's the actual difference there Hyper? ^^

[crude girder]

So what about the other 50% of the Carnivore faction, Utah and Carno?

[pale bloom]

And no, it's not fun, but its Stego growing in the meantime

[crude girder]

Stego doesn't gain anything unique, it's just fat, so moving from bush to bush as a Juvi is a pain, staying near water and grazing works for it better than most

[turbid mauve]

Literally deinosuchus gameplay is just sit and wait and ambush, that's it.

[feral solstice]

and

[turbid mauve]

talk about "afk"

[crude girder]

So what about the other 50% of the Carnivore faction, Utah and Carno?

[feral solstice]

It’s a crocodile

Or gator

It’s not a land croc

[turbid mauve]

Utah literally just get spoon fed by A.I dryo and fish.