general-feedback-discussion

[valid elk]

Fasola is really cool, but I do like the idea of a small lad that can take on even Utahraptor.

[quiet estuary]

Imo Utah should have very limited climbing capabilities ReRa

[novel turtle]

ik

its not like it can jump from tree to tree

thats herras thing

i just think whats the point of giving it herras thing if there is nothing it can use it for

[quiet estuary]

You can use it as a quick escape method

[novel turtle]

and then what get camped

[quiet estuary]

climb up a small amount and jump off and away

[novel turtle]

just think there should be a little more to it

[quiet estuary]

Its like how utah players use rocks currently
Stay there or just jump off and get away more effectively

Maybe a small corpse would work for climbing up trees

The things that make utahs slow down while carrying them though seem too much for me

[raw mist]

i Bought this game now i am excited to play

[quiet estuary]

Welcome to the isle

[raw mist]

thx

[novel turtle]

welcome to the isle

[latent crater]

About Lemon Boi suggestion, Id love as a croc mom to carry my babies in my deino mouth just like modern crocs do :3

[hoary dawn]

why did so many people react with ❌ to the leopard utah suggestion, its literally gonna be a thing

[honest sparrow]

Yeah wasn’t Utah scaling trees confirmed a while ago

[still sinew]

@hexed karma Legit ran away from something aling to teleport BACK like several meters and be suddenly dead

[barren zephyr]

Herrera is gonna be a tree climber why not have Herrera do that instead of utah?

[hoary dawn]

herra will be way better at it

all utah will do is scramble up to low branches that can support it

herra has full tree mobility

[honest sparrow]

^also gives juvi utahs something unique to do to escape cannibals and other predators while still being vulnerable to herras

[hoary dawn]

jerry's

[honest sparrow]

Ben and Jerry’s

[still sinew]

lol icecream?

[paper oriole]

Utah should only be able to carry scraps and tiny game like that, a 500kg animal momentum running up a tree is already stupid especially if it is carrying more weight

[crystal sage]

If it’s implemented the way the concept art shows, it’s really not that insane. I don’t want Utah’s being able to climb, but a quick scramble up a small dead tree isn’t ridiculous

They can already jump really high so it shouldn’t be too much of a stretch that they have the leg strength to haul up an old stump or something

[worn pumice]

Utah shouldn’t have a leopard niche that makes no sense

That’s why herra exists

[paper oriole]

It is also super unnecessary, utah is mobile enough without it

[hybrid matrix]

exactly

[worn pumice]

Utah has pounce and is made to be a pack hunter it doesn’t need to be climbing up trees

[paper oriole]

I swear the devs love utah a bit too much

[hybrid matrix]

at the very best it should be able to hug a tree and then slide back down

[paper oriole]

Utah can already get on rocks, utah will probably infest human settlements again when bigger ones come

[worn pumice]

It’s shown to basically scramble up trees which ig isn’t that bad

It’s not necessary but whatever

[paper oriole]

It doesn't need to be able to get up in trees 2-3x a carno's height and sit there like a docktah especially after carrying food up

[honest sparrow]

Utah doesn’t have a leopard niche, it can just use trees as an escape option

[worn pumice]

It has agility as an escape option

[hybrid matrix]

but what if: flings food up tree

[paper oriole]

No!!!!!!!!!!!1!

[worn pumice]

Actually Utah’s that r smaller scrambling up trees and then it turns into pounce would be a neat idea honestly

[paper oriole]

Utah juvies and subs doing it is one thing

[honest sparrow]

Not completely obligate to do it but if it’s just an option it’s fine, not entirely necessary but if it’s an addition the devs want they can add it, also juvi Utah climbing should be pretty good so it can be fun to escape things and has a shot to escape cannibals

[worn pumice]

Adult Utah’s rly shouldn’t even be scrambling up trees honestly

[paper oriole]

But i hope the devs reconsider adult utahs getting up trees twice the height of a carno, it is so unnecessary and just begs for the docktah situation to come crawling back

[worn pumice]

I hope it takes a shit load of stam if ur an adult

[honest sparrow]

It’s essentially the same idea of utahs sitting on rocks but on trees

[paper oriole]

Trees where they are mostly invulnerable

Like the crates at old docks

[hybrid matrix]

but why sit on trees when u can sit on rocks?

[worn pumice]

Yea but we want to discourage ppl from doing that not encourage the doctah behavior

[honest sparrow]

Maybe there aren’t rocks around

[worn pumice]

Use foliage

Use agility

Like it has been doing so far

Perfectly fine

[paper oriole]

Utahs can easily lose carnos in the woods

[honest sparrow]

Like yeah I agree Utah shouldn’t have as many safety nets

[hybrid matrix]

then thats ur fault for straying from the safety of the rock

[honest sparrow]

But if it’s coming to the game it’s coming to the game

[paper oriole]

It doesnt need a tree to sit on and bark at people or nip people and then run up in their safespace perch like legacy

The devs are obsessed with their jp raptor it will probably be just like this

[tall plinth]

herrera

[worn pumice]

Utah is also 500 kg at adult so I hope a shit load of it’s stam is gone if it wants to scarmble up a tree

[honest sparrow]

Just make it so it can’t regen stam while in a tree, as well as taking a lot of stam to get up

[paper oriole]

Also is this guy asking for female theris to have boobs

[worn pumice]

Lmao

[honest sparrow]

(Joke)

[worn pumice]

I’m so done

[paper oriole]

Imagine

[honest sparrow]

That entire suggestion was legit a joke

[worn pumice]

Bro

[honest sparrow]

[paper oriole]

Theri boobers

[worn pumice]

Still not as bad as the gay nesting

[paper oriole]

Oh yeah the gay nesting was awful lol

And the detailed vore sounds suggestion

[worn pumice]

What’s worse is that they were dead serious

[paper oriole]

Were they?

Oof

[worn pumice]

Legit lol

Talked to em this channel

[honest sparrow]

Yeah those guys seem serious

[hoary dawn]

male dinosaurs can totally lay eggs

[paper oriole]

That's a yikers

[honest sparrow]

I’m just out here having a good time

[worn pumice]

They’ve made better points before I don’t see why out of nowhere they just thought about gay nesting lol

[hybrid matrix]

do we need a midtier theri?

[worn pumice]

We have plateo

Ik it’s not a theri but

[hybrid matrix]

how is that a midtier theri lmao

[honest sparrow]

Na not really

[worn pumice]

Better then nothing

[paper oriole]

Plateo is upper mid tier too

[worn pumice]

We actually have very few mid tiers

[paper oriole]

Does plateo group into the sauropod playables or does he count as his own thing?

[hybrid matrix]

well i feel like Nothronychus would be the best candidate for a midtier theri (this is based on my limited research)

[paper oriole]

We need a large tier iguanadont

[hybrid matrix]

dont say it

[paper oriole]

To complete the trio

[hybrid matrix]

trio?

[paper oriole]

Dryo and tenonto

[hybrid matrix]

i kno teno is one

[barren zephyr]

i think they have to add feathers to the utah to memorize themselves in the trees

[paper oriole]

And ig- iguano- ig ig …

[hybrid matrix]

DRYO IS AN IGUANADONT???

[paper oriole]

I think so

[hybrid matrix]

WTF

[paper oriole]

I nay be wrong

[hybrid matrix]

HOW HAVE I NEVE-WHAT????

[paper oriole]

Imma double check

[barren zephyr]

[hybrid matrix]

its not

i just checked

[hybrid matrix]

wait where is this from

[paper oriole]

Idk it was the first google response

Probably wiki

[hybrid matrix]

it is from wiki

but i just checked wiki

[honest sparrow]

Dryo is an iguanadontid

Also like

BIG IG CUMBAYE BIG IG CUMBAYE

[paper oriole]

Big ig must come

[honest sparrow]

The champion of the people

[paper oriole]

Dryo is a primotive iguanadont

[hybrid matrix]

big ig?

iguanacollossus?

or iguanadon

iguanacollossus is basically a cooler shant that is better than shant

[paper oriole]

Either one would work honestly as long as they don't shit on it like current stego

[hybrid matrix]

yeah

[honest sparrow]

Big Ig is like pseudo apex size right

[hybrid matrix]

is big ig iguanacollossus?

[barren zephyr]

what a badass name the "iguanacolossus"

[paper oriole]

Big ig is apex size, ig is upper mid tier/psuedo

[valid elk]

Again, people tag me and tell me why you dislike it! Don't just go ❌

[hybrid matrix]

toer

[paper oriole]

[valid elk]

It means nothing, people need constructive criticism!

[hybrid matrix]

i didnt dislike ur idea
i found it interesting

[paper oriole]

I want prestosuchus more than those guys because he has a cooler name

[honest sparrow]

But yeah like pseudo apex sized grappler herbi is cool

[paper oriole]

So i can yell “Presto!” When i jump somebody from the bushes

[honest sparrow]

With awesome thumb spikes

[valid elk]

One of those crocs can literally jump.

[paper oriole]

But… Presto! I have turned you into lunch!

[barren zephyr]

kaprosuchus

[paper oriole]

Kapro is a runt

[valid elk]

Kaprosuchus can't jump.

[honest sparrow]

Kapro is just normal croc with cool skull

[valid elk]

Also, its relatives have normal croc legs.

[barren zephyr]

ok chill

[valid elk]

That's like me going "We can't add Spinosaurus if Allosaurus exists."

[honest sparrow]

I mean if you made allo a fisher yeah

[barren zephyr]

maybe

[hybrid matrix]

well yeah
ofc we cant have spino if allo exists
their the exact same thing!!

[valid elk]

It's like, they have different limb proportions and they have different niches, ya know?

[paper oriole]

I'd be fine with presto and bove, idk how bove would fare though

[hybrid matrix]

not sure what to think of the post in #general-feedback

especially the first idea

[paper oriole]

Lmao shit i was searching his size on google and found this abomination

[hybrid matrix]

the second one is eh

but making grazing the main food source for EVERY herbivore??

[barren zephyr]

lol wtf is that

[honest sparrow]

What if we just balanced herbivores like we balanced everything else

[paper oriole]

He upvoted his own suggestion

[hybrid matrix]

impossible

[paper oriole]

Some herbis should be able to graze for a lot of their diet but definitely not all

[tall plinth]

Personally I dont like the second one, although it's more realistic we do need balance with predator and prey

[paper oriole]

Like i think anky should be able to get by fine just browsing grass and low quality foliage

[hybrid matrix]

yeah like stego

[honest sparrow]

Just simplifies herbivores and makes differences less appealing

[paper oriole]

But not a trike

Stego, anky, maybe tenonto, oro…

But not most and definitely not all

[honest sparrow]

Browsers, grazers, some who do both, some browsers can even specialize at different levels

[paper oriole]

Herbis should generally just vary on how much they can sustain themselves with low quality foliage before they face repercussions

[honest sparrow]

Frugivores

[hybrid matrix]

im thinking of remaking that starvation/dehydration suggestion from a week or 2 ago

[paper oriole]

I do think the 20% cap should be removed once diets are in though because diets will punish people for using grass as the lazy way out on the wrong herbis

[hybrid matrix]

the one I made about how to improve these two ways of dying

[honest sparrow]

Like I really liked the idea of tenonto having to go into the swamp to gain some of its preferred food, but if it just grazed forever what’s the point

[barren zephyr]

me too

[paper oriole]

I mean tenonto just looks like a grazer, like he could make 40% of hos diet or so up with grazing

While anky could make up 70% and also eat tubers and roots

[hybrid matrix]

sid u said that it should be that way for all herbivores

not all herbivores should be able to graze without worrying about nutritional debuffs

[paper oriole]

But something like trike or galli would be punished for making grazing a major part of its diet

[hybrid matrix]

in fact very few dinos should be able to graze constantly without worrying about nutritional debuffs

[paper oriole]

Yeah the primary grazers would be just a handful

Dont want to see a brachi hiding in the corner of the map eating grass

[hybrid matrix]

"1. Make grazing grass as a herbivore the main way all herbivores get there food with the new dietary needs system. This way basic food is all around, and herbivores just travel to meet their dietary requirements. The old bush system really just needs to be retired."

the very first sentence

[valid elk]

No, no, Pristichampus is now Boverisuchus.

[hybrid matrix]

what u said was "all herbivores should be able to survive entirely off grazing, but they should also be able to eat other things that arent grass too"

[paper oriole]

He haunts me

[hybrid matrix]

how am i picking on u?

[valid elk]

Also, that is the Primeval Pristichampus.

[hybrid matrix]

all im doing is disagreeing

[valid elk]

@paper oriole Again, Pistrichampus was put into this dude.

[hybrid matrix]

no really, how am i picking on u?

[paper oriole]

How big is him

[valid elk]

10 feet, about 3 meters.

Not small, but not massive.

[paper oriole]

I don't trust prehistoric wildlife which is what i got lol

[valid elk]

We have an almost complete skeleton. It even has a nickname

[paper oriole]

He's different enough from presto that they could both get in i think, pristi could be a little guy who punches up a bit in his tier

A little bully

[valid elk]

No, no, his name is Boverisuchus now, not Pristichampus.

Got lumped a few years ago.

I call it Bover for short.

Apparently, its bite was insanely strong and it galloped incredibly fast.

[paper oriole]

Ok well bove could be a small toer bully, burrow invader, maybe above average on steep terrain

How much fast

[barren zephyr]

how strong the bite maybe ???

[valid elk]

Enough to run after horses.

Hell, its back feet are considered to be early hooves.

[paper oriole]

Hm he could survive pretty easy yeah

[hybrid matrix]

so lemme get this straight

you're mad at me for not liking your ideas?

[swift dew]

Sid, all Derptah has done is disagree with you. that is perfectly fine.

[barren zephyr]

how strong the bite ????

[hybrid matrix]

dont you see how that might be a little....

spoiled?

[paper oriole]

I hate when someone upvotes their own suggestion and i can't vote on it then because i'm a petty piece of trash

[hybrid matrix]

same

[valid elk]

No estimates I know at the moment, but we do have bite marks and cracked bones from prey items and digested bones from monkeys it caught.

[barren zephyr]

damn strong

[valid elk]

Indeed.

[honest sparrow]

@hoary dawn peak suggestion, honestly I hope the devs make it hapoen

[lofty pagoda]

^

[hybrid matrix]

same

[paper oriole]

I think instead of turning your carni into an ai that hunts, you should simply have a button that spawns a brachi body and a kiddie pool of water in front of you, this eliminates the risk that you might be seen while hunting and put you in less danger

This will improve the game by a lot I am sure of it

[hybrid matrix]

YO THIS IS EVEN BETTER

[barren zephyr]

yes

[hybrid matrix]

F U C K I N G G E N I U S

[paper oriole]

Yeah i hope the devs consider, you shouldn't have to risk losinng your dino while playing a carnivore designed to fight and kill

[hybrid matrix]

ikr?

[barren zephyr]

lol

[edgy harbor]

Alright

[hoary dawn]

it just makes sense

[paper oriole]

Oh sht a mod

[edgy harbor]

we dont need to be passive aggressive anymore

[paper oriole]

Run guys

[edgy harbor]

I think they get it

[hybrid matrix]

wdym?

[edgy harbor]

Don't even.

[hybrid matrix]

i thought the suggestion was trolling so i thought i'd join in on the joke

[edgy harbor]

Well I was told something was going on here and there needs to be some form of respectful disagreement. Also.. troll suggestions are kinda not allowed anyways so..

bonk

[hybrid matrix]

OHHHH ok

lemme clarify

but first

[hoary dawn]

i am very serious

[hybrid matrix]

was the person that told u about the disagreement called Sid?

[barren zephyr]

lol

[paper oriole]

Sid was overreacting a bit

[edgy harbor]

I ain't gon mediate anything or point fingers, don't care how what who happened if you're being civil good, if they're not they need to be, if you're not you need to be, either way. Sides aside, just be cool in here.

It's the most general statement I can make tbh.

[hybrid matrix]

k well i just wanna clarify that literally nothing bad happened

i didnt like Sid's idea and then he said i was picking on him

[edgy harbor]

Good lol just hopping in cause a little birdie told me

Well they need to chill then.

[hybrid matrix]

yep

[swift dew]

anyway. I like coastal mono

[edgy harbor]

Also the proverbial "I'm always watching" yada yada is implied

Coastal mono?

What's a mono?

[swift dew]

monolophosaurus.

[honest sparrow]

Personally prefer dn mono but

[hoary dawn]

dilo but big nose

[swift dew]

the guy with the big nose

[honest sparrow]

I am interested to hear what coastal mono has to offer

[barren zephyr]

lol

[paper oriole]

I like bloodhound mono but definitely wouldn't mind coastal if it was dine well

[feral solstice]

Actually

[paper oriole]

I already want bary and plateo to be coastal so the more the merrier

[feral solstice]

A coastal mono sounds pretty good if it can work

But honestly I have no idea how it would work

[swift dew]

we dont have that many coastal creatures so I will always take more. untill I dont.

[edgy harbor]

oh fuck

I hate that

[paper oriole]

Mono eat crab

[edgy harbor]

Ew

[paper oriole]

lol

[edgy harbor]

Looks like Allo but younger brother

[paper oriole]

Monolophosaurus. Crab hunter, crab destroyer

[barren zephyr]

crab god

[paper oriole]

King of crabs

[barren zephyr]

ninja crabs

[paper oriole]

Maybe mono can snort sand with his big nose and spray it at people like some fucked up pokemon

[barren zephyr]

lol

[swift dew]

I would... rather have it be a coastal

[dense wagon]

coastal austro might be a better pick imo

[paper oriole]

Austro could just be anywhere honestly

[barren zephyr]

snorlax=monolax

[paper oriole]

Mangroves, rivers, lakes

[feral solstice]

nocturnal coastal mono?

[dense wagon]

if I were an austro, i'd choose to stick around the ocean

just because the swamps would be teaming with suchos, and deinos

austro is nowhere near the size it needs to be to compete with those giants. it would be able to thrive better around the shore

[paper oriole]

Things like austro and ptera seem like they could just pick where they want to be and be there, as long as it's water

[feral solstice]

Yeah

I wouldn’t mind Mono being coastal though

Just as long as it’s not cliche

[hybrid matrix]

yo

wait

what if

Platypus Austro

[paper oriole]

[honest sparrow]

Otter Austro or death

[hybrid matrix]

[barren zephyr]

[paper oriole]

[barren zephyr]

trollosuchus

[barren zephyr]

[paper oriole]

Are we still getting the freakish scissor face bird austro from the concept

[uneven wigeon]

Otter Austro, out there cracking seashells on his tummy like a sea otter.

[honest sparrow]

And skulls

[compact hare]

wonder why some ppl didnt like my suggestion

maybe its the buff thing ?

[tall plinth]

i like ur idea but i think it only makes sense to enhance stamina

while tripping ofc

[crude spade]

i like the idea too, i think a damage buff is hard to anticipate for another player. Stam a little bit less

[feral solstice]

Stamina buffs make more sense

But strength buffs would be unbalanced unfortunately

[tall plinth]

yeah i agree

[crude spade]

i think itd be cool if the effects were pretty slight, little risk/ reward and it would be semi rare

[tall plinth]

cuz ppl would eat a mushroom before hunting and it would just be wacky

[crude spade]

or even more food vs a little trip

[feral solstice]

I do think carnivores should be able to eat herbivore things as a kind of grazing, but it’s less effective than a herbivores grazing

Like Wolves eating grass

Etc

[tall plinth]

it would also be cool if ur dino has a chance to throw up while high

[feral solstice]

But it probably would only work once before you legitimately need to hunt or shits gonna go down

[crude spade]

i know cats eat grass to throw up if they're feelin sick lol

idk if other animals do stuff like that

[tall plinth]

my cat does that a lot

lmao

[compact hare]

I wouldnt take the risk to eat it before a hunting, but I get your point

The whole point of the suggestion is hallucinations... by eating shrooms thats what I want pretty much

[swift dew]

but I want otter oro. dont ask me why, I wont answer you.

[compact hare]

Made the suggestion all for the comic side, some laughs during the gameplay hehe

[tall plinth]

why

[floral saffron]

ok derek's suggestion got HELLA hate but i actually think its a good idea? he suggested that starving carnis get a damage buff, and that actually seems like a good balancing feature considering its unlikely to be abused (for obvious reasons) and as long as its not OP, like a 25% buff at the max and only happening once youre at 10 or 20% hunger, then it would just be a good tool to help carnis survive. am i missing why 100+ ppl down voted it or is it just that ppl hate seeing carnis get buffs?

[paper oriole]

It is because you shouldn't be rewarded with a buff for failing to keep yourself fed

You definitely would have carnis following things around until they hit 20% hunger to get a buff and have the upper hand where they shouldn't

Carnis already follow slower people around now they'd just have incentive and be rewarded for starving themselves

[tall plinth]

agreed, nor would it make much sense either

[floral saffron]

ah i see what u mean. i was thinking of early evrima/old legacy (pre-AI) where deciding to move locations on the map could mean death from starvation, where a small boost could help you take down a larger meal than normal or at least have a better chance of surviving in a fight but considering AI it probably won't be necessary within like a month

[tall plinth]

if anything being malnourished would weaken your overall strength

[paper oriole]

I don't think players who took the time to grow a large dino should be punished by having a predator who failed to take care of itself get a buff and have an advantage against you yeah

People starve to death, it happens, but when there are hotspots on populated servers where they can risk venturing to for food

There's no reason to lend an extra hand

[valid elk]

Wanna point out that Kaprosuchus looked nothing like this.

And yet, people still think it looks like this

[compact hare]

ppl would starve just to get the buff too

[tall plinth]

thats a nice monster concept but that looks nothing like kapro

[paper oriole]

Oh yikes are there actually people who think kapro looked like that

Yeah exactly it's a very obvious exploit to just follow a large slow herbi or an apex around as a faster group and wait for the buff

[valid elk]

Did not have long legs, didn't have tusks, etc etc. But people still think it was a croc that ran down prey items.

[paper oriole]

Wow didnt even realize how much it got ratioed lmao

[tall plinth]

wtf

105

[paper oriole]

Is this a record? Probably not

But damnn

[valid elk]

Still dunno why people are putting ❌ and just not tagging me.

Strange.

[compact hare]

from now on I just dont like "add X dino" suggestions that much bcuz we already have like 50+ playables I dont think we need more

didnt vote as ❌ but thats my point in general

a crocodilian with hooves

that sounds cool

[paper oriole]

The rule against “add x dino” suggestions are for those who give no info/reasoning behind their suggestion, to be fair

There are a lot of suggestions saying things like “i found this dino on google it is pretty cool maybe it could be in the isle” with no backup info or ideas for what it would do in the game, those fall under the rule

I think Art gave enough info to make it a legitimate suggestion

[compact hare]

yes they did

[paper oriole]

upvoting your own suggestion

[paper oriole]

not a fan of RNG defense which is what seems to be suggested in that pack hunting suggestion

having a 'chance' to knock off or hit the latched predator seems a bit cheap

if you spend stam to shake them off and have to hope the RNG doesn't just waste your stam

[barren zephyr]

@native wigeon Well in concept Herrera can be seen latching onto a Tenonto, but I think you mean like a pack some small creature doing that, so I guess that's a bit different. I think the hyena lifestyle you described would fit Rugops well, if/when we see it.

[honest sparrow]

why not hypothetically, we give quetz overall great vision, let it specialize in killing smalls, and not let it just fly into things over 4x its weight and fuck them over

[hasty dagger]

Thought it would be a good compromise for people who like realistic quetz that dies to solo Utah and the people that want quetz to be a fuckin apex

[honest sparrow]

quetz works just fine, as its the flyer apex, flyers aren't all that heavily built

it would still be able to kill a utah, and that gives it a decent size range of prey

[hasty dagger]

It wouldn’t be able to in my idea, only use its special ability on smalls under Dryo size

[honest sparrow]

without it essentially 1 shotting things that can't escape it and are far more heavily built

[hasty dagger]

Don’t be out in the open then, there’s plenty of places to evade a quetz that relies on you being out in the open

[honest sparrow]

yeah, but imagine chasing something out into the open or travelling for water and having your cerato be 1 shot by what is essentially a huge kite

[hasty dagger]

It wouldn’t one shot, it would have the upper hand sure, but not something as ridiculous as that

[honest sparrow]

quetz could maybe take it on head to head but it specializing in taking on pseudo mids is just too much

[hasty dagger]

Like i said, it’s a compromise

[honest sparrow]

it's a meh one

[hasty dagger]

Did my best lol

X it if you don’t agree

[honest sparrow]

again, just making quetz a constant threat to smalls is fine

personally don't x something unless I completely disagree

[hasty dagger]

It is fine, but some people have this idea that Quetz is some killing machine capable of taking mid tiers and up

I’d be completely down for a Quetz specializing in smalls

[paper oriole]

Upvoting your own suggestion

[swift dew]

who?

nvm I see

[paper oriole]

Crab man

[sudden hinge]

@barren zephyr I like your idea but we don’t want to push the apex carnivores to have to hunt in packs I think apex herbies and some herbies should be strong for there size like the defense based herbies but we should also push for a more flight response from herbies as well with what you are suggesting it would just give herbie players a huge advantage in terms of just abusing the rest of the server

[paper oriole]

The slow defensive herbivores should be stronger than their faster predators, but they shouldnt be impossible to take on 1v1

For example, trike should shitstomp rex in a facetank or if the rex just waltzes up and the trike has a chance to get in a good defensive position, but ambushing the trike and catching it off guard should be rewarded with a decent chance of victory

[sudden hinge]

Which should get alleviated when they add the mechanics in and the hard coded group limits help

[paper oriole]

Slow herbivores deserve the melee advantage because they will be both lower in numbers and not have the choice to retreat unlike their predators

[sudden hinge]

I still think defensive based herbies should be favored to win stat wise I just don’t want it so big that carns have to group up in huge numbers to get a meal

[paper oriole]

1v1 the herbi should have the advantage, but a carni who plays smart should be able to beat them

[sudden hinge]

Exactly I agree fully

[paper oriole]

Like a rex who doesn’t stomp up and try brawling with a trike head on, if you do that you should just get a Darwin award

Playing patiently, stealthily, precisely should be required. It should be harder to hunt than to be hunted with a defensive animal

[sudden hinge]

Yes I agree definitely stats should favor the defensive herbies but I don’t think all herbies should have the combat advantage as the suggestion kinda of stated

[paper oriole]

Yeah things that can actually reliably use agility and speed to escape don't also need to be powerhouses

Don't need machine gun kick galli from legacy or battering ram maia

Maia and galli should just be fast, maia can be relatively tanky and utilize cc but should have minimal offensive ability due to how athletic he is (if maia stays as comparatively fast as he was in legacy, at least)

[wild stone]

@proud coral Hey I like your suggestion btw
When was gathering materials for nests confirmed? I've been waiting for that for ages and they never said anything to me.

[proud coral]

It's been said a couple of times by Punch in Isle Discussion

[paper oriole]

So you're suggesting something like a weight system where smalls deal less damage to large dinos based on the weight difference, right?

[honest sparrow]

legacy

[paper oriole]

Pretty much but idk it could work if done right

Like it would make sense to stop utah from dealing full damage to a brachi or a compy from causing full damage to a rex, since it makes sense that the small's attacks would take a lot of extra effort to break the thick skin of those dinos

[swift dew]

@rare pond what your suggesting is the legacy weight system, it is terrible and awful and nothing like it should ever return again.

[barren zephyr]

as a carno, is there no counter to a utah pounce?

[rare pond]

The reason why the true fans of The Isle are looking to Path of Titans
The game should live up to the name of it being a A"dinosaur sim game" the reason why it doesn't is because of the people that bring up the fact that it is a video game (and it is). But because of these people the game is filled with flaws making the true fans of The Isle look more towards Path of Titans, while Path of Titans is beginning to fill up customers; major servers in The Isle are already migrating to Path of Titans because the devs of that game know how to receive advice and criticize they are open to what falws need fixing, and do not favor the people that tell them what they (Path of Titan devs) want to hear, rather they want to hear what they could do to improve the game. Or how they could make it more realistic and balanced
If The Isle keeps up with their neglect to their true customers [Known as the salty player, the whiners, etc] and instead favor the people that are simply bias to the dinosaurs that the devs release for The Isle over the real fans of The Isle, the game will simply crash alike the big rpg games. A great analogy to this is GTA and Saints row, Saints Row was able to provide great games but they never listened to their fans, which made their game literally go from being a competitor of GTA to a game that is not worth any money and time.
I see this in how people are saying and real footage of a reverse in game play where Herbivores are hunting Carnivores. This Significant flaw in game play is why people and server owners of The Isle cannot survive off of the game and has moved to Path of Titans.

But reagarding the weight system, I think they should really refer to real life rather than making up weight and bite-forces for the reason that it ruins the game in balancing

[paper oriole]

[rare pond]

If the devs of this game see this, I am not trying in anyway to discourage you or make you look bad in the sense of managing and developing a game, I am simply reaching to you so you do not create a game that will collapse under a single persons output.

If you do not plan on making a game that doesn't live up to the "Dinosaur simulator" tag then this could even lead up to unwanted real life pressure.

[spiral ravine]

the isle was never supposed to be a "dinosaur simulator", look at the game loggo

it's a hardcore survival pvp game with playable creatures including dinosaurs and also humans

[barren zephyr]

no "dinosaur simulator" here

[spiral ravine]

so yeah path of titans is going to appeal to casuals but personally im never playing a game that has much worse graphics and is tailored to casuals

[barren zephyr]

and is a bit too expensive

[spiral ravine]

lol how much is that game

[barren zephyr]

more than isle

[paper oriole]

Path of titans spawns you as an adult, you keep your dino after you die, and 90% of each populated server is mixpack chilling at the lake lynch mobbing anyone who tries to PvP. It isnt comparable to the isle in any way except both games have playable dinos

[spiral ravine]

games a joke, just another dino themed chat room

yes you do

oh yea

[paper oriole]

Lmao

[spiral ravine]

loll

[paper oriole]

Like PoT can be fun not gonna lie, but it's fun in the same sense that jumping on IoFT to break rules and bathe in the tears is fun

Same kind of amusement

[spiral ravine]

i can never enjoy a game that spawns you as adult

[paper oriole]

It's as fun as breaking rules on the worst legacy isle servers, which is very low standard

[hoary dawn]

gatekeep much?

[spiral ravine]

sounds like a strategy to pump out as many dinos as they can and as fast as possible and ignore every other aspects of the game

[cyan flame]

Guess progression wouldn't be for you then :p

[spiral ravine]

guy said "the true fans of the isle"

[cyan flame]

If PoT could focus on game mechanics, it would be a decent game probably. In any case, more dino games are good, and more variety is also good.

[rare pond]

The reason why the real day 1 players of The Isle don't even bother actually giving feedback is because we already know that we are going to be shot down by the person that wants the Triceratops to be the apex over the Rex and the people that want the stego to stay were it is "fishing" by putting their tail in the water killing any juvie crocs and scaring away literal groups of Deino's the dino that is supposed to be an apex is more of a common nu sense to the stego, which in fact was not an apex within it's period, they were to dumb to be able to manuver the way they do and their tail swing is faster than a professional baseball batters swing recovery, I find this game to be a joke at the moment when it comes to combat, I find it funny for the players that fight so hard so that their main dino can be the apex

[spiral ravine]

those are not true fans of the isle, they're true fans of dinosaurs

[rare pond]

If you were here long enough you would know that it lost that tag

[paper oriole]

Uh what

[spiral ravine]

you don't even know what the isle is supposed to be, you have no idea who yhe "true fans" are

[cyan flame]

Besides, PoT does a few things right so there is that :p

[jade schooner]

I do agree with Afro in the fact that Path seems to have listened more to their public and target audience, even tho, it's not as appealing to me. It has advanced quite quickly, and the isle needs to keep up their pace

[cyan flame]

What are you on about?

[hoary dawn]

you cant speak for everyone who's had the game since the early days just because you feel a certain way

[paper oriole]

People who have a whiff of game balance wits want trike to have the advantage against rex because it is slow as fuck. Pretty sure nobody really approves of stegos fishing for deinos, they are against unnecessary deino buffs

[spiral ravine]

that tag "dinosaur simulator" was put on the isle by dummies like you, the isle was never just a dino simulator, that's boring and lame af

[cyan flame]

Isn't the Isle supposed to be survival (hardcore or not) these days, less PvP, more PvPvE, and focus on survival over well, delayed deathmatch.. :p

[honest sparrow]

It has dinosaurs, and is a survival game, but it is intended to be horror survival rather than dino sim if I’m not mistaken

[spiral ravine]

it's a hardcore pvp game, essentially the same as dayz and tarkov, but with playable creatures besides humans

[cyan flame]

Last I heard, it's PvPvE, and survival. Not fighting. As for hardcore, that remains to be seen :p

[spiral ravine]

and ive seen content creators calling it "dinosaur survival" which isn't wrong, but "dinosaur simulator" is straight up ridiculous

[cyan flame]

That remains to be seen :p

[honest sparrow]

Dino sim is only really accurate for saurian tbh

[cyan flame]

And well, it's not quite dino sim, but the dino gameplay is more that, than horror at least

Yeah... it absolutely has changed from what the Isle was meant to be ^^

[spiral ravine]

yeah it'll be pvpve, server can handle up to 200 players, and there'll also be 200-300 ais

[barren zephyr]

“You aren’t a true isle fan if you disagree with me on game balance”

[cyan flame]

So.., I'll believe hardcore when it's actually in :p

[spiral ravine]

but they also said they'll make a smaller pvp map, less pve

[honest sparrow]

It’s always had the same fundamental ideals, but the execution has fluctuated quite a bit

[cyan flame]

From the very original idea of what the Isle was meant to be? Three playable carnis, + three strains. And all that. We then got playable herbis.. we had progression as game mode, then survival

[cyan flame]

Yeah. I guess it's more a semantic thing, survival first, pvpve secondary, or so I hope at least :)

[spiral ravine]

the isle is a dumpster fire and especially evrima there's no doubt, but the problem with the game isn't "it's not living up to its name and reputation of a dino simulator"

[cyan flame]

But by the time of the recode, Dondis vision had long been lost.. :p

What part of what I described earlier is not changed if you look at the game we have now?

[jade schooner]

I think the isle has at a clash on what it's meant to be. If I think horror survival, the isle doesn't really pop up to my head.

PVE at it's core is rather impossible. PvP is what it is. Whether you're a herbivore or a carnivore, your goal is not to die. And that comes from: Not getting killed (herbivore) and Eat or die trying (carnivore).

If you think of it in a simulator idea, I'd say ecosystem, instead of "dino sim" because it's not a chatroom. You go in, you survive, but form part of the food chain.

What we need is a more fleshed out system for the herbivores, so the carnivores can exploit their chase, interactions, etc.

Of course there should also be more fleshed out stuff for carnivores as well.

(thoughts that nobody cares about but here I go anyways)

[spiral ravine]

the people that call it a dino simulator are the people that complain about kosing and cannibalism and play on rule servers that punish hardcore pvp gameplay

[cyan flame]

.... Compared to what the Isle originally was meant to be, it's changed so very much. Simple as that. Dondis original vision of the Isle is most likely not what we're getting at all.

[jade schooner]

Evrima and legacy are pretty much the same (as of now) but one is more "fine tuned" while the other has more variety

[hoary dawn]

isle doesn't pop into your head because the survival horror aspects haven't been fully realized yet, not because its not meant to be horror

[jade schooner]

Of course, but until then, that's not what the game is

And what we have now, and had in legacy, will remain a core aspect of the game for most people that got the game

[hoary dawn]

its not what it is right now

[cyan flame]

There's no "hardcore PvP". Also considering cannibalizing isnt going to be for everyone, and there might be mechanics to make players behave, I don't know.. :p

The recode has nothing to do with the vision..

[spiral ravine]

i think cannibalism is encouraged for certian creatures, punch has said crocs are meant to be cannibals

[hoary dawn]

cerato

[spiral ravine]

yep

[honest sparrow]

Cannibalism should be meh for most things but encouraged for others

[cyan flame]

Yeah, cerato I've heard

Not seen any mention of the croc

[honest sparrow]

Cerato is like the perfect cannibal

[feral solstice]

I anticipate Cerato and will play it more so than Carno.

By far

[spiral ravine]

cerato diet pathway: no preferred pathway, eat whatever you want buddy

[jade schooner]

I wouldn't say encouraged, but not penalised

[jade schooner]

like this

[spiral ravine]

^yeah

[cyan flame]

Could be encouraged even

Cerato preferred food = a few things, including your own :p Good way to keep group numbers down ^^

[feral solstice]

Yknow

If you think about it

[honest sparrow]

also wouldn’t mind a perk that made hunting other ceratos more encouraged

[feral solstice]

Cerato being the I can eat anything kind of creature means without cannibalism, the population might go out of control

Since yknow, killing your own kind wouldn’t be encouraged

[cyan flame]

Should be played like a mob animal, can team up to take down things, but if one of the ceras takes wounds, everyone else just turns on them :p

[honest sparrow]

So, they always kill their own?

[spiral ravine]

think they also said cerato is supposed to be "resistant to even the most severe injuries"

[feral solstice]

Oh that’s badass

[spiral ravine]

so that either means high health regen or bleed resistance

[honest sparrow]

Cerato is like a tanky fucker

Which is cool af

[cyan flame]

You could make it so fighting your own is a dangerous thing, so it's sometimes preferrable to team up vs something else, it's just that.. well, if your "friend" happens to take wounds, now you got an advantage over them if you fight them.. :p

[feral solstice]

Pachy rams the leg of the Cerato, fractures it, followed by the Cerato turning fast and wiping the floor with the Pachy by chomping at its neck and dragging it, proceeding to yeet it.

I’m curious how fast should Cerato be when it comes to maneuverability

[jade schooner]

Cerato shouldn't be much of a fast runner tho. It would be something the other creatures are scared of, due to the punch it packs (even some slightly larger creatures).

But that being said, it should rely more in bullying others from their kills, or kill them in the process and have more food

That's a hard idea to balance, but idk what's the goal with cerato atm

[feral solstice]

We’ll

If we base off of the concept art

which is kinda the goal

[jade schooner]

Yes

I should find that concept again

[fluid venture]

dunno why people are against private servers having a global chat.. they can still play on official if they dont want global <.<

[jade schooner]

Found the description for cerato

"The oversized honey badger of the Isle. With an iron stomach, its able to dig into many putrid carcasses that might otherwise poison other carnivores. Even cannibalism isn’t far from the menu. A vicious bully with a vicious bite, but when it can’t chase its foe away, having a more hydrodynamic body than its peers can give it an edge to take the food and run."

sounds like I'm on the right track

[paper oriole]

Global chat should just be brought back with sandbox and allowed on samdbox servers, but i doubt they'll do that. The mod route is very inconvenient

[jade schooner]

slightly

[feral solstice]

It’s a brawler, feared for its menacing output of damage, and fast bites. It bully’s its own kind and other creatures off of their bodies, or territory.
It’s equipped with the ability to consume even the most putrid of carcasses. Worst case scenario, cannibalism.

[jade schooner]

I say bring back global chat with forced broadcast (you're talking to the whole server, so... be loud). But also as a toggle option for server owners

[feral solstice]

maybe it can have the ability to hold its mouth open as a kind of parry. It can dodge back when something attacks and it’s bite will be incredibly fast and unexpected

[paper oriole]

Augh god my eyes

[feral solstice]

You’re welcome

[jade schooner]

OOOOOOOH That would be nice

[feral solstice]

Kinda like grizzly bears when they threaten each other

[jade schooner]

That's exactly what I was thinking

I like you, smart lad

[cyan flame]

Sounds like something deino needs :p

[jade schooner]

neh

[cyan flame]

Neh? :p

[feral solstice]

https://youtu.be/B8vyD7QyEwo

This shows it off perfectly

[jade schooner]

I don't think deino "needs" it

[feral solstice]

I think it’s perfectly fine the way it is

[cyan flame]

Maybe not, but something that makes deino vs deino not just a matter of who hits first would be nice

[paper oriole]

HOW does rewarding starving carnis with a buff encourage them not to go on killing sprees?

baffling logic here

carnis would literally let themselves get hungry on purpose so they could have better chances against things that would usually be harder, this encourages toxic behaviour and rewards bad gameplay from the carni while punishing the dinos they would inevitably exploit this mechanic against

[feral solstice]

They’re probably trolling, but incase they aren’t.. games fucked if that ever happens.

[tall mirage]

If my game says only 1 can Join the server, what do I do to fix it?

It’s like 1/1 can join. I’ve restarted the game :// just annoyed

[worn pumice]

Bro

That carni starving buff suggestion might have the most dislikes I’ve ever seen

Impressive lol

[paper oriole]

well it is a terrible idea

[worn pumice]

Man the ways that could be abused

[paper oriole]

i wonder if there is a worse ratioed suggestion in feedback

[worn pumice]

I don’t think there’s been anything worse lol

(Apart from gay nesting)

[paper oriole]

how ratioed is the gay nesting?

[worn pumice]

Time to find out

[paper oriole]

not quite

[worn pumice]

Damn u found it fast

I had to look thru some

Questionable gifs just to find it

[tawny crest]

lol what

[paper oriole]

right?

[tawny crest]

gay nesting??

[paper oriole]

gay nesting

[hoary dawn]

its gonna be one hell of a breakup when they see eggs in the nest

[spiral ravine]

@gray loom go play path of titans if you are afraid of dying and just want a casual dino themed chat room

the isle is a hardcore pvp game, get used to being kos'ed you noob

[paper oriole]

Not to mention he's just plain wrong on his assumption that such a mechanic would reduce KoSing to begin with

[sudden hinge]

Yeah starvation buff is dumb af tbh def don’t need that in game

[sudden hinge]

It’s a survival horror game with semi realism being built into it being annoyed by kosing is completely normal especially when thats not something the devs wanted and have tried to find ways of dealing with it. Kosing is an annoying issue that I hope the devs can fix. No need to hate on this dude and attack him personally tho

[paper oriole]

Nothing really wrong with KoS unless it's KfS

Which it usually is I guess but that's juat how most PvP survival games tend to go

[hoary dawn]

i dont really view kfs as a bad thing cuz most of the time, its just people going around fighting cuz the combat is the most consistently fun thing to do in the game rn. once more fun stuff is implemented to do like diets and elders n stuff im sure it wont be as big of an issue for some people

but they can never really get rid of the player's free will without doing something dumb

[maiden anvil]

@chilly matrix I don’t think any form of mixpacking should be a thing. That’s just my option

[chilly matrix]

so also herbis right ? but as far as i know herbis would kinda mixpack when migrating to other places

[maiden anvil]

Yes but they shouldn’t need to be in the same group for that. Then they would only together when migrating and nothing really else

[chilly matrix]

k then take out the thing with group

[maiden anvil]

Very well

[snow meadow]

You can buck as a deino?

[snow meadow]

@stuck lake I agree. I wish there was a few profile slots. But to avoid people stacking Apexes maybe only allow you to have 1 apex going at a time per server.

[stuck lake]

@snow meadow Yes I understand it'd be hard to enforce some sort of balance with being able to swap between dinos you've grown. But it shouldn't really make that much of a difference. You'd only be able to have one of each dino to yourself..

And people already stack apex's.

Being able to swap between them might actually be healthier

I kept my croc for a long time just because I didn't want to give it up.

[snow meadow]

True but I think in the long run they are trying for a balanced ecosystem

And yeah I've had my croc for awhile now too but I'm not gonna purposely kill a 5 hour animal lol

[stuck lake]

That's my point. I think it'd be healthier because people wouldn't feel like they HAVE to keep their long grow dinos.

[worn pumice]

main issue is how abused u can do things with seperate dino slots

[snow meadow]

I would like to switch to something else on my preferred server. So I do agree. I just don't think people should be able to stack apexes or flavor of the month op creatures.

If you get killed as a deino you can't exactly go and revenge kill the player for no reason when you don't have a stack of 3 other deinos ready to go

[stuck lake]

You're right, stacked apex's make it hard but it's always been an issue. It can't really be enforced that well

[snow meadow]

Cause I don't think people should be punished for playing the game properly. If you die cause the other person was hungry that's kinda the point. But people definitely would revenge kill

[worn pumice]

imagine being a stego joining a herd and then getting off and switching to ur rex slot and ambushing them

[stuck lake]

Nothing is stopping from that same stego from attacking that herd. @worn pumice

[worn pumice]

it doesnt matter these save slots r easily abused

[snow meadow]

That's why I suggested only one active apex at a time. But the herbies would probably kick the rex ass anyway lol

[stuck lake]

So more like, say in the future, if you want a rex, you can't also have a croc ready to go?

[snow meadow]

Personally if I was in charge I'd give people a few character slots. Maybe 3 with the potential to buy more (game has to make money to keep going) but I would only allow 1 active apex at a time per server. So if you wanna grow apexes on multiple servers go for it. So if you're playing an apex but your friends wanna play Utah you could easily just switch instead of having to kill a hard earned Dino. I think this would encourage people to play medium and low tier dinos too.

[glad dirge]

Thats a horrible idea

[snow meadow]

Why

[glad dirge]

For one, slots are beyond abusable, and now whoever willing to pay can have tons of backup dinos so even if they die to something they can just hop on to their 5 back up utahs and guarantee death to whatever they were revenge fighting

[stuck lake]

I just simply think you should be able to choose what dino you'd like to play when you login. Without needing to kill your current dino.

Instead of slots, maybe having 1 of each dino.

You can't stack multiple apexs for example.

[glad dirge]

So.. would you consider deino an apex?

Because some higher mid tiers are still very powerful

If you have a sucho backup or something

[stuck lake]

With the current choice of dinos I would consider them the apex for now.

[glad dirge]

Still beyond abusable

If your stego dies to a utah pack, and you jump on your carno you can zip over and delete the survivors

[stuck lake]

Then perhaps a cooldown for swapping.

[glad dirge]

But what about after death?

You hop on your adult ptera, scope out the island and to avoid the cool down you nose dive into the ground and spawn in as your deino where you saw it was safe

[stuck lake]

If you're on swap cooldown and you die, perhaps you would just have to select the same dino to play.

Until the cooldown ends.

I'm just saying, it'd be healthier for the game to have the choice.

[glad dirge]

I'd argue the opposite

[worn pumice]

i still dont see how u can use this system w/o it being abused

[snow meadow]

How is it abuseable if you can't stack apexes? And obviously there would be a limit of how many slots you can have.

Also ever been to the server nublar? Notice how most of the server are full grown deinos? It's cause people pay them real money for grows and no one plays the little guys cause no one wants to lose their full grown deinos

[worn pumice]

just becuz u cant stack apexes doesnt mean its now a perfectly fine system lol

[stuck lake]

I don't think slots is the right idea, just having 1 of each dino saved.

[worn pumice]

what if someone just backs up 5 allos

[glad dirge]

Ah yes now I can use my ptera to spot things and then go kill them with my carno

[stuck lake]

You wouldn't be allowed to stack multiple of the same dino.

Just one.

1 croc, 1 utah, 1 steg

[glad dirge]

And not die because I paid $200 to have 8 backup carnos

[stuck lake]

If they die, you have to regrow them.

No paying for slots.

[worn pumice]

it still wouldnt work tho

[snow meadow]

By the time you got on your carno and got there they'd probs be gone. The map is gonna be huge

[violet sparrow]

Geez another small rex clone

[glad dirge]

If you know where your carno safelogged, it won't matter

[violet sparrow]

It's a fluffy alberto

[worn pumice]

way to abuse-able

[snow meadow]

I can see your point though but I still think it would encourage variety of species which the isle is lacking atm

[worn pumice]

that is a problem that will be solved on its own

u cant rly have much variety when theres only 4 carnis and 4 herbis

[stuck lake]

this is why i suggest swap cooldowns.

They would need to be quite long, just not sure what would be a good length would be

[snow meadow]

Swap cool downs is a good idea too

Also there doesn't have to be payable slots. I just understand a game has to be profitable to survive. I dunno what their situation is like, it's just something I think of

[glad dirge]

What about after death

[glad dirge]

You know money isn't a problem for the isle... right?

Like dondi has enough

He doesn't need to sell fairness and create an abusable revenge killing promoting system thats a pay to have a ridiculous advantage

[snow meadow]

I don't have access to their financial records so no. But that was merely a suggestion.

[snow meadow]

Make it so you can't spawn in that area. Same thing happens if you die now. You can't spawn in the same spot

[glad dirge]

Ah yes because it takes so long to run from that central river to that southern pocket pond as an adult carno

[worn pumice]

cool downs can just be re routed by dying

[snow meadow]

The map is going to be bigger in the future

[worn pumice]

still abused

[snow meadow]

Everything can be abused somehow. Doesn't mean the game shouldn't evolve

[worn pumice]

this isnt evolving

[snow meadow]

Also if you're playing on a no rules server then you shouldn't really mind revenge killing

[sudden hinge]

@radiant dagger I think punch confirmed the only way we would get snow is if it was man made and enclosed in some some other than that it’ll have to be a mod because it’ll really mess with the aesthetic of the game as it is now

[worn pumice]

ur just evolving backwards

[snow meadow]

That's, like, your opinion man

Quit stating things as fact lol

[worn pumice]

nah its how it is bruh lol

[snow meadow]

Oh okay

[worn pumice]

this suggestion isnt good

[snow meadow]

Disagree ^^

[glad dirge]

Oh so why would have an apex save limit? It's a no rules server so surely it shouldn't be fair because it's no rules

[worn pumice]

thats fine

it'll just be abused

ppl already create alt steam accounts to save dinos on the isle

[glad dirge]

Precisely

[stuck lake]

You can't stop toxic people from being toxic in ANY game.

[sudden hinge]

Yeah save slots are just a way to abuse and grieve I mean it happens on Bob and I think it even happens on pot it’s definitely happening on the isle of given the chance

[snow meadow]

I think they could limit the amount of abuse if implemented properly. But in pvp games people will literally break the game in order to get an unfair advantage if they want to.

[worn pumice]

ofc but we should be discouraging that not encouraging it

[sudden hinge]

Yeah keeping features out of the game people can abuse is a good thing in my book

[snow meadow]

Honestly even 1 save slot per server would be nice

[snow meadow]

They would never add anything again by this logic

[glad dirge]

It's already been proved to be super abusable in BoB.. why would you want to add it into the isle

[sudden hinge]

That they can obviously abuse in a very straightforward way most other features have to be broken this one wouldn’t

[snow meadow]

Are you saying the people at bob are at the same level and have the same resources as people working on the isle have?

Cause I assure you they don't

[glad dirge]

Their resources dont change the general concept of an abusable slot system

[snow meadow]

BoB is Walmart brand dinosaur game. Isle is classic coke

[sudden hinge]

You are asking for the same feature that Bob and pot already have that people already abuse

[snow meadow]

Cause they don't have systems in place to limit abuse

[worn pumice]

whether BoB is the greatest game of all time or not doesnt change that the system can be easily exploited

[glad dirge]

Its still abusive even with limits

[sudden hinge]

Its very difficult to limit slot abuse

[worn pumice]

they have a cool down on their game too

its still abused

ppl just kill themselves and switch

[glad dirge]

Scope out the area as a ptera and die in a different region so they can spawn in where they want

[sudden hinge]

All you have to do even with a timer is remember what the person looked like when they kill you since by than the skin system will be out and you come in as your stronger stated playable and merc them i don’t think slots work

[glad dirge]

This ^

[worn pumice]

even if revenge killing isnt bad enough it'll just promote it further

someone could legit have 5 rexes on a server

[sudden hinge]

This would trouble me greatly

[glad dirge]

People already pay for alts to have backup dinos

This would make it so much worse

Now they would have double alts without needing to pay for an alt

4 carnos instead of 2

[spiral ravine]

the devs have never said kosing is an issue and have never stated they want to "deal with it"
this game is supposed to have humans and is a pvp survival game, they have said they want this game to be like tarkov and dayz, the fact that you have no idea what this game is supposed to be and complain about being killed in a pvp game just shows you're better suited to play games like path of trash

[spiral ravine]

you can be annoyed by being kos'ed but accept that it is a part of any hardcore pvp game, the isle is not a dino themed chat room

[sudden hinge]

you are literally attacking people for no reason human gameplay will most likely be more oriented towards a kos type style but the additive features they are putting into the game pushes for a more realism based survival experience for the dinos unless you build a strain via elder. The fact you keep attacking people shows you really just like attacking other people instead of having civil discussions like who hurt you?

[spiral ravine]

did i hurt you with truth?

[spiral ravine]

your "realism based" talk has no meaning and doesn't change the fact that this is a survival game, in survival games there will be kosing

[carmine path]

Idek what the argument is about

[spiral ravine]

and in reality there's killing in case you didn't notice

he says kosing is bad and the devs should deal with it

[carmine path]

Kinda laughable

[tepid gate]

I don't think the devs intend to "deal with" killing on sight or for sport.

I also don't know why humans would be more oriented towards "a kos type style"

[spiral ravine]

yeah, they have always encouraged pvping

[tepid gate]

PvP is probably the best thing in Evrima. Fighting just feels nice in the game and it's the biggest advantage it has over other games in the genre.

At least imo.

[carmine path]

Towards dinos I guess, more self defense if anything since Dinos will be actively hunting humans to scare the shit out of them

[spiral ravine]

if i was a human id avoid a face to face fight with dinos and more ambushing and using guns/bow and arrows to my advantage

they want servers to host up to 200 ppl, and this guy wants devs to deal with kosing, that's like some legacy servers "3 call before you attack" nonsense

[carmine path]

Yeah, I remember there were No KOS servers in legacy and it was so stupid and whack

[tepid gate]

There are such servers in Evrima now too I believe

[carmine path]

Not like they can manage em in the slightest lol

[tepid gate]

Idk, I've stopped playing on Teutonic altogether since the last patch because I've heard they have rules now

I think "Noobz" or what's its name has rules as well

[spiral ravine]

how do they even enforce rules on evrima besides having admins constantly spectating

[tepid gate]

Hmm... I have no idea. The rules are somewhat difficult to enforce but one of the admins from Teutonic told me they have their ways to find rulebreaks in Evrima without the replay system.

I personally don't care, with how buggy the bodies are in Evrima I wouldn't want to risk playing on a server with body down rules anyways.

It's just too risky that you might get punished for hunting if a body ends up bugged and you can't eat it.

Not to mention sometimes bodies are edible but you need to put quite a lot of effort to eat something.

[spiral ravine]

"i have a body! don't attack!"
"where?"
"it's flying above that tree! look! up there!"

i don't think rules are suited for evrima except no mega packing or mixpacking

[swift dew]

I do not understand how the legacy weight system being bad has anything to do with path of titans

[tepid gate]

Weight system isn't bad, it was one of the good things in the legacy. I also dk what it has to do with PoT though

[swift dew]

@stuck lake you don't have to lose your croc to go play with your friend. there are plenty of other servers out there that you can play as something else. if you give people multiple slots per server you have BoB's problem with revenge killing. or playing as a ptera to scout and then switching to your rex to go kill whoever you scouted

[honest sparrow]

So the dino is essentially Alberto but dependent on what part of the map he’s in?

[swift dew]

we do not need another generic theropod

the thing is literally albert but like 1 ton lighter

[honest sparrow]

Severe yuty flashbacks

[swift dew]

plus its just another problem for magy that the devs have to find a way around

[tepid gate]

Anything that eats meat and can move forward with some proficiency is a problem for Magy.

[swift dew]

@cloud heron global chat was a magnet for toxicity and it takes away from the vision the devs have for the game

[cloud heron]

disagree that it does but not my vision so whelp

[glad dirge]

Global chat also promoted mixpacking

[cloud heron]

it just really slows down the whole getting into herds thing i have no idea how to find another stego

[glad dirge]

There's still local chat I think

So you should be able to speak with other stegos still, it's just range based

[tepid gate]

The true problem is when people mixpack withoug global chat. If they use global to mixpack they're not really a threat anyways.

[final plume]

I've run across 2-3 mix packs still while playing for the last two hours. Not really solving that problem.

[tepid gate]

^

[glad dirge]

Accurate, people still hop in discord

[tepid gate]

As for the "getting rid off toxicity" argument:

People will still say mean things, they just do it on local

[final plume]

Hypsi's going around blinding things for Utahs, Stegos with Carnos.

[cloud heron]

onlly way to stop it is admins

[final plume]

To add onto that, had someone shit talking us because we weren't going to harass some Utahs as Pteras.

[cloud heron]

maybe we should have admins roam the map as t rexs and punish people lol

auto tele within 30 feet and chomp

[glad dirge]

I mean.. I guess if you're into those types of server admins

[tepid gate]

Overall - I understand that the global chat might not be fitting the devs' vision of the game, however we are currently really, really far from what the game is meant to be and global was not an issue with how the game was right now.

[cloud heron]

no I'm not it was a joke

[glad dirge]

I dont mind global being gone

I'm not gonna defend its absence vigorously, I just don't see it as a huge game breaking issue of it being removed

[tepid gate]

While I personally haven't typed on global much if at all, it was an additional little something that could've gotten my attention focused on the game rather than getting me to just afk altogether.

It's not a gamebreaking issue

[final plume]

I miss the social aspect, thats half the reason I played was the funny shit going on in chat.

[tepid gate]

The game is fine with it or without it, but it was better with it imo

Yea, reading global could actually provide quite a bit of entertainment in all the honesty

[final plume]

Hell I made good friends with global, now thats gone

[cloud heron]

no the game would be better with it

its boring without it

[final plume]

^

[glad dirge]

Sometimes it being gone can be annoying but I don't see it needed anymore

[cloud heron]

i just sit here and hide as a baby and wait to get juvi then search

[glad dirge]

Soon you won't be able to with diets

[cloud heron]

the funnesit moment i had in this version was when i found a adult stego we were looking for something to do then some utahs came after me i hide in a bush. they found me i hide with the bigger stego as he swung at me then hit hit me by mistake and i died

like 10 mins of content with 20 of boring looking around

[tepid gate]

Maybe initially, people will figure out the ways to grow while putting the least effort possible with diets or without them.

[glad dirge]

I'm just excited for the shrooms

[cloud heron]

in the legacy servers i joke i look for herds and nest with other players its fun

i made a big galli herd and fought off a utah and some carnos all cuz of global chat

[glad dirge]

I wonder how nesting is gonna take place without global

Is it just gonna be a random if you want to spawn in as a hatchling?

[tepid gate]

Another big advantage of global chat as far as I was concerned was that I could ask whether a server has any rules upon entering it.

[glad dirge]

Yes, yes

[carmine path]

They are making a nesting mechanic so you can spawn in the player’s nest

[swift dew]

you will most likely be able to set your nest to public or private. to invite a friend you set it to private and invite them specifically. if you want to invite a random you set it to public and they choose to spawn in on the character selection screen.

[glad dirge]

Ohhhhh gotcha

Thats awesome

[cloud heron]

global chat is needed that is what i have determind from this recent discord chat cheers

devs

[carmine path]

How did you get that

[tepid gate]

@stoic lichen That timer is there for a reason so that you don't get to see things around you as the game loads all the assets. Without the timer you'd be able to see people around you while the foliages loads.

[cloud heron]

read the previous chat logs

[final plume]

Oh look a mix pack of hypsi and ptera hunting baby utahs

[carmine path]

Yes clearly they agree

[stoic lichen]

yea but i don’t think there should be a timer when changing your settings from the menu, so when your not in a server yet

[carmine path]

Red what part of that message do you see is agreeing with you

[tepid gate]

Oh, I see what you mean, yea that doesn't make sense if that's a thing

[carmine path]

Damn there’s 2 reds

[tepid gate]

I've never changed my settings from the main menu so I honestly wouldn't know

[stoic lichen]

yea it’s a thing, changing your settings while in game i understand, but it doesn’t make sense to have it in the main menu when you aren’t in a server yet

[solar peak]

ok and now it's my turn to destroy your dreams and tell you why ppl don't like global chat: it could provide some entertainment but it was often place of toxic discussions too that led to toxic behavior, it's easier to spot many things and with current evrima gameplay it just doesn't suit the game, since many creatures such as carno or deino use ambush for hunting, which would be impossible if someone who just died or saw smth would spam on global chat their position, it may be easy to fix with rules but we have to remember there won't be any rules on officials so that just makes playing as ambush predators annoying, as for easier finding yourself, that will be fixed with diets, since you will have to travel certain distances to get your favorite food, and it's very possible you will meet someone of the same species at that place, is there anything else I should cover up?

[jade schooner]

My thoughts: Needed needed, I wouldn't say. Tho I do advocate for the return of global as a toggle option for unofficial servers.
No matter what the devs vision is, we're far from it, and whatever they wanted to avoid (toxicity, mix packing, or whatever) is not stopped by it (local is still a thing, and people will mix pack through third parties like discord).
Global is more of a QoL that, rather than taken away, it should've been an option. Lots of people and communities formed with what Legacy is and what Evrima started as. Global is much part of the growth of the Isle whether they acknowledge it or not

[cloud heron]

@carmine pathi never said people agreed with me??

[solar peak]

you kinda did

[cloud heron]

no i kinda did not

[tepid gate]

@solar peakWant me to give you screens of people saying bad things after the global was removed? The toxicity still happens just fine. I don't think it was a big issue before and I don't think it's a big problem now either.

[cloud heron]

dont put words in my mouth please

[solar peak]

I mean now it's just local chat, earlier you could read utahs crying for 5 minutes cuz one of them died, I didn't say toxicity disappeared, now it's just easier to avoid it

[tepid gate]

...Or you know you could also not read that by switching to group or local chat if that was an issue for you.

I haven't had issues with people saying bad things about me on global and I don't have them now that they say them on local.

[solar peak]

without global chat they can't even talk to person that killed them so it removes the problem

[tepid gate]

It removes a problem that wasn't even there in the first place

[solar peak]

it was there and don't try to avoid it

[tepid gate]

You do not have to read what they say to you, you can just turn off global chat if it bothers you. I personally wouldn't do that

It's still there as much as it was before

[cloud heron]

the devs through the baby out with the bath water on this one. people will always be toxic with or without global chat

[jade schooner]

The problem wasn't taken away, that's the thing

And it won't go away

No matter

[cloud heron]

ya which is why baby out with the bathwater phrase is perfect

[solar peak]

it doesn't matter, not everyone reacts like you which leads to a toxic behavior, I'm not saying doing what you do is wrong, I'm saying without chat there wouldn't be a problem like that

[wary sparrow]

It’d be stupid to turn global chat off since you get a lot of information from other players

I’ve avoided/ambushed a lot of people due to global chat

[glad dirge]

You also get people that die to herbs scream out their location

[solar peak]

plus toxic behavior isn't the only thing that was problem with global chat, it actually was pretty minor when we look at other problems

[cloud heron]

ultimately the game is boring without it legacy is better this ervyma thing wont attract more people and the servers in legacy prove that. fight me if you wish

[wary sparrow]

We don’t have to since legacy is destined to die

[glad dirge]

Legacy is better than evrima.. just because legacy has global..?

[solar peak]

[cloud heron]

its more fun so ya

who cares if if the new stuff works better if you are bored the whole time

[solar peak]

you won't be saying that while playing deino and seeing someone spam your location on global chat, or seeing pteras telling carnos where are you

[wary sparrow]

Some people will find any argument for legacy being better. Now it is nesting, then it will be global and then “muh apexes”

[cloud heron]

i think your overreacting foniu its not worth being bored as a baby

[glad dirge]

Then you can just go, "turn radius" and win the argument

[cloud heron]

if ervyma gets soemthing to speed up the playing with people aspect of the game it will compete with legacy and be better

[wary sparrow]

You can win the argument with everything, doesn’t mean people still won’t complain since they dislike change and new things

[jade schooner]

Once again tho, no matter how badass hardcore survival game they are trying to build, we're not there yet, and global was part of the building of the communities we have today. Rules are set in servers to avoid the issues. And the issues existing through global haven't disappeared by taking it away.
Global should stick as a toggle option so unofficial can keep what brought everyone together. And it's a useful tool.

I don't really use global, so it's as simple as having the option of having it on or off in different servers. Officials and "hardcore survival" could have it, unofficial could turn it on.

[solar peak]

?? how is such a problem overreacting, it's already happening now even without global chat, imagine what would have happend with it, you're the ones ignoring problems only because you want your chat room to come back

[wary sparrow]

Diets and nesting are next sooo yea

[glad dirge]

Plus tenonto, cooler than anything in legacys herb list

[wary sparrow]

Chad

[cloud heron]

@wary sparrowwhast diets mean?

[swift dew]

if you are getting your entertainment from talking in a chat then I have news for you. there is this thing called a chatroom that allows you to talk to people. that is what the whole entire thing is.

the isle isnt one of those

[tepid gate]

I absolutely agree which is why I've always read global chat even though I barely ever spoke on it.

[wary sparrow]

Something you have to do while growing. Every Dino will have preferred food they’ll have to look for if they want to speed up their growth and not be weak and sick when fully grown

[cloud heron]

@solar peak What I mean is that in the attempt to remove toxicity the devs removed a aspect of the game that provided entertainment greater then the fun lossed due to toxicity

[glad dirge]

It would be much different if they removed all chat entirely, forcing people to use discord. At least they kept the local part of it

[wary sparrow]

That’s highly subjective

[cloud heron]

@swift dewthats bullshit

@wary sparrowya but its my argument

[glad dirge]

So you play the isle... primarily for the chat? What?

[swift dew]

they didnt attempt to remove toxicity, global just doesn't fit with the game they are trying to create, toxicity was lowered due to the removal of global chat but that wasn't global chats removals intention. plus, they did decrease the amount of toxicity, there was one example shown and I have not seen any toxicity in my time playing evrima so far compared to the countless number of times I did see it in global

but toxicity being lowered was a side affect

not the primary intention

[cloud heron]

@glad dirgeNo i primarily play the isle to be a dinosaur and its boring to play by myself and not talk to people as i do it. are you all not Human do you not have a social life? you are aware people like ot chit chat in all games?

[lofty pagoda]

lol

[solar peak]

it wasn't due to toxicity, but to help gameplay itself, since evrima actually has pretty good gameplay and mechanics

[cloud heron]

@solar peakit has jack shit

[solar peak]

what

[cloud heron]

it does not have pretty good game play its just unique

[wary sparrow]

Then find people to talk to in VC or something

[cloud heron]

there barly anything here

[swift dew]

you literally just said that global was a huge aspect of the entertainment you got from this game. again, maybe try using a chatroom instead

[solar peak]

how is it not good, if we had normal performance it would be pretty ok already, and we are getting diets in next update

[swift dew]

here is a better picture

[cloud heron]

i dont understand your comment

ya so?

like wtf

[honest sparrow]

We live in an age of instant communication, there are plenty of ways to sit around and talk

[swift dew]

the game isnt trying to be a dinosaur themed chatroom. its trying to be a survival horror game. if most of your entertainment is coming from talking, then go to an actual chatroom

the devs have stated clearly that global will not be returning, and they are not ones to change their minds. end. of. discussion.

[cloud heron]

@swift dewi dont understand you piggy how can you be so adverse to chatting in a game/

[honest sparrow]

They’re not

[wary sparrow]

Because the devs don’t want it

[honest sparrow]

They’re simply trying to explain why it simply isn’t in the cards for the game and what you can do to chat outside of the isle

[wary sparrow]

Dondi literally said on stream global ruins the vibe he wants in his game

[cloud heron]

I did not say i Dont understand why the devs dont want it i said i dont understand why piggy is so adverse to it. like why I'm i being told to play something else if i want to talk thats insane

[honest sparrow]

Because that’s just how the game is going to work

[swift dew]

because your asking for the game to be a chatroom and im saying that isnt what the game is going for

like at all

[cloud heron]

no I'm not at all asking for it to be a chatroom stop making shit up

[tepid gate]

The game isn't a survival horror though - it's meant to be one while you play humans but this genre doesn't apply to the dinosaur side of things.

[cloud heron]

I CLEARLY said that it slowed down my ability to herd with other people and made it boring

[swift dew]

yeah for dinosaurs its a hardcore survival game, and for humans its a hardcore survival horror game

[cloud heron]

me wanting it to be a chatroom is bullshit you made up to avoid my argument

[swift dew]

neither of which fit with global chat

[tepid gate]

Idk about that hardcore survival. I wouldn't describe The Isle like that at all.

[cloud heron]

this game needs something to speed up herding with people nest or diet or global chat something until nesting and diets come in it needs global to do that

[swift dew]

exactly, you are saying the game is boring without global. which literally implies you would like to chat around to entertain yourself. that is literally a chatroom. just because you didnt explicitly state it doesn't mean I cant put the peices together.

[worn pumice]

i mean losing 5 hours seems kinda hardcore to me

although when i think of hardcore i think of games like rust

[cloud heron]

no bullshit i clearly said why i wanted global

[tepid gate]

The game heavily encourages the player not to play it though so I can absolutely see why someone would view global as a big feature.

It gives people something to do while you afk.

[worn pumice]

even now recently they added that u heal ur locked hp faster by sitting

promoting afk again

[tepid gate]

Eyup

[worn pumice]

there should be ways to help u heal faster rather then just sitting on ur ass lol

[honest sparrow]

Agreed

[cloud heron]

i just lost a half hour steggo cuz i could not find anyone to play with fucking bullshit

this game is ass

[worn pumice]

half hour isnt much

[honest sparrow]

Yeah, you can do fine as stego on your own

[swift dew]

ok then play something else.

[cloud heron]

Fuck off piggy

[wary sparrow]

Why don’t you do so too ?

[tepid gate]

Or better yet - play something else while you're playing The Isle

[worn pumice]

why play the isle when u can talk about it

[tepid gate]

You can talk about The Isle while playing the Isle and you could probably still play one more game on top of that at certain points.

[worn pumice]

dead ass ive done it b4

just gotta use a diff launcher

[ashen wasp]

Hypsi honestly has enough stuff going for it, give cool special abilities like that to other playables who need it

[solar peak]

oh wow you know there's possibility to both search and eat at the same time?

[spiral ravine]

@cloud heron im still playing evrima, and global chat is not coming back

[low canopy]

Correction, it will eventually come back regardless

[solar peak]

no

maybe with mods

[low canopy]

Yes, mods

[solar peak]

lol we typed that in the exact same second

[low canopy]

my net is lagging like crazy so everything happens late

[solar peak]

[barren zephyr]

@stuck lake

That feature would get abused so no

people would just log in with their alt account to feed their carnivore main

unless there’s a massive cool down ( Like 2 hours) it wont work

@stoic lichen

No, this would get abused.

It actually used to be like that, then they changed it

[tired torrent]

This game is so unplayable between hackers running up out of no where killing you in bushes to rubberbanding getting you hit but your hits don’t register its dog shit

[barren zephyr]

because people would change their settings to get a clear view of everything and not have to look

[barren zephyr]

just play on better servers

[honest sparrow]

Very fair, hopefully the hotfix will help with some of it

[tired torrent]

@barren zephyr what servers are better? I’m not playing on any goofy servers that have rules or some dumb free grows or weird shit like that no

[barren zephyr]

oh well your fucked then

rules servers are the only ones that can punish hackers

[glad dirge]

Ive found several free grow servers that have body down rules

[tired torrent]

It’s just silly man can’t grow anything witho having to worry about getting caught by a hacker running up out of no where or lag getting me killed

[stoic lichen]

i’m talking abt when u are changing ur settings in the main menu, so before ur even in a server

[solar peak]

what kind of hackers are there? I mean waht do their hacks do

[tired torrent]

Wall hacks they can spot you from a distance

[solar peak]

oh the removing foliage ones

[glad dirge]

yep

[tired torrent]

I’m literally on a part of the map no one goes to way back in the fucking bushes

And a carno runs up and bites me

[glad dirge]

you sure they didnt hear you?

[tired torrent]

It’s not like I’m running around and they can see footprints I’m hiding in a bush and wasn’t bleeding

That’s how I have to grow cause these carnos find me all the damn time

[glad dirge]

sitting utahs are quite loud

if you were a utah

[tired torrent]

I was stego

[glad dirge]

Oh well they are pretty easy to see in bushes

[tired torrent]

But what I’m saying is that I’m in a remote part of map you would have to go out of your way to find me I swear to god no player is running over here checking bushes

It’s obvious when they run straight up to you and start biting

Don’t even sniff or anything just run up and bite

[glad dirge]

Sometimes its chance, or maybe it really was a hacker

[tired torrent]

Lol yeah “chance” killed me in the bushes on the edge of the map

[barren zephyr]

oh thats fine then

[barren zephyr]

I mean it could be chance

probably smelled your foot prints

then when crazy checking every bush

and happened to find you

[glad dirge]

well, its hard to tell if you are at the end of the map. You probably werent

[barren zephyr]

FUUUUCK NO

if neon skins like that get added it'll become a BoB clone

it could just be patterns

[glad dirge]

the majority of the isle players have had the game before evrima

[barren zephyr]

maybe neon is a bit much

but unique pre recode patterns would be cool

[solar peak]

I don't see why ppl who bought game earlier should be rewarded lol

[barren zephyr]

say that in 5 years

[barren zephyr]

cause we played legacy

[solar peak]

ok that might be an argument

[barren zephyr]

you should give someone at least a small reward after forcing them to play legacy

[solar peak]

lol

[glad dirge]

rdr2 online did something like that, with the first outlaw pass only being available to ps4 players

and it

sucked

[cyan flame]

@barren zephyrYou sort of can, if you end up on top of them :p

[solar peak]

I miss progression times

[glad dirge]

progression was horrible