general-feedback-discussion

[paper oriole]

He's not tapejara levels of puny but still on the small side

[vestal rune]

maybe as ambient AI at most

[paper oriole]

Tupandactylus or europejara would make a good herbi flyer

Bordering on the ‘too small’ side

[vestal rune]

I thought tupa was like ptera sized

[paper oriole]

He is

[vestal rune]

ye tupa is big enough

I want tupa, dope omnivore/frugivore hyper-mobile forest flyer boy

[hoary dawn]

fruit boy

[paper oriole]

Yes give us the fruit boy

Ngl imma be disappointed if the last flyer is another carni, they get everything

Wont be surprised tho

[vestal rune]

oh god not carni bias

[paper oriole]

They already get quetz and ptera it would honestly be a waste

[novel turtle]

we need something small in the water

[paper oriole]

Beipi

[novel turtle]

other than beipi

[vestal rune]

minmi

[novel turtle]

you know what i mean

was going to say a small monitor but megalania is a thing

[paper oriole]

Nothosaurus

[novel turtle]

ooh

but too much like croc

[paper oriole]

A lot of people want him as a marine animal, dont think hes too close to deino at all personally

[novel turtle]

we have a big pred we have duck, we need prey and medium and small pred

[paper oriole]

He is smaller and would hunt differently, deino ambushes, grapples and drowns terrestrials which notho would be very unlikely to do

[novel turtle]

notho could be a good medium pred

[odd sedge]

We don't need more aquatic things

[paper oriole]

He's only like 25 feet long

[odd sedge]

We really don't

[paper oriole]

When it gets to the coast we should

[odd sedge]

We can hardly fit the ones we already have

[paper oriole]

More freshwater shit isnt necessary obviously but it would be boring as fuck to see all the same things inland and on the coast

[novel turtle]

ik we talking about later on

but we need some variety in the depths

[odd sedge]

We already got more than enough for water

[paper oriole]

Thats like, your opinion, man

[novel turtle]

spinosaurs dont really count

if it isnt enforced like with deino they will prob play as a land dino only using water for travel

[odd sedge]

It's still Beipi, Minmi, Austro, (Cherry), Sucho, Bary and Deino left

[novel turtle]

bary and sucho are spinosaurs

[paper oriole]

Bary especially is very terrestrially built for a spinosaur

[novel turtle]

beipi minmi and austro are mainly land and use water for food/escape only

[odd sedge]

I am not saying they won't have their niches

[paper oriole]

And isle spino was changed beyond the point of even being a spino, it looks as terrestrial as a giga

[novel turtle]

just saying i think it would be cool to see some other stuff

[odd sedge]

Sucho is prolly a wader instead of swimmer and you could make austro for coastal

[odd sedge]

Aight, that's your opinion then.
In my eyes there is no need for more

[paper oriole]

We can just agree to disagree, i think it would be boring as hell to go from the river with beipis and deinos to the beach with beipis and deinos

[novel turtle]

miragaia i once made a feedback for a semi-aquatic mosa but then i learned it was small

it could work as a good medium pred

[paper oriole]

#general-feedback message

This?

[novel turtle]

yup

[onyx siren]

Hey, my friend is a weirdo lefty and

needs help with controls

anyone have a left handed control scheme for evirma?

[icy lion]

might have better luck asking in #401464048610312195

[feral wedge]

@lapis tree You mean like Minmi?

[golden beacon]

They already said minmi

But they want more semi aquatic herbis like the devs arent making a bunch load of dinos atm

[feral wedge]

Some of the old old ones that are floating around could fit the bill pretty easily.

Don't need anything new for it.

[paper oriole]

they should just make plateo semiaquatic to do herbis a favour

[golden beacon]

I wanna play Plateo

I want new unique dinos so bad

[paper oriole]

plateopus shall reign supreme

[feral wedge]

Precisely my initial pointer when someone asks which I would push that way.

[golden beacon]

i just cant wait for evrima to be fully released

[sonic mural]

Same

[paper oriole]

the art channel rules really are a mess. isle related characters like anky prime and dilodog get deleted but a random ass yutyrannus or some other unrelated thing gets to stay

not to mention the inconsistency of things that have gotten deleted because they had skins that weren't in game, but an obvious jurassic park trike or some other dinosaur from a different franchise gets to stay

[pliant ember]

The fact that paleoart is allowed in there should give enough evidence of how much of a mess that channel has turned into over the years

Can I just go there and post a Smilodon?
It's paleoart so it should be allowed
What's the point of the channel being named specifically "Fan-art" if people can just post stuff that isn't related to the game in any way?

[paper oriole]

exactly, especially since moderation there is so inconsistent to begin with

an isle OC or isle mutation meme, as cringe as they can be, has just as much right to be in there as a dino that isn't even the in game

if they want to keep those out, they should keep it all out

[hallow vigil]

i'd prefer for the channel description to just say something along the lines of "art must be isle-related in some way. If you're posting a dinosaur that isn't in the game or confirmed to come to the game, it must be connected to the isle in some way (dossier, isle dinos in the background, etc)

[paper oriole]

yeah isle dossier inspirations for dinosaurs people would like to see in the game should be allowed, not a random yutyrannus sketch because "i like yutyrannus it is a dinosaur guys"

[hallow vigil]

^

[silk heath]

are mosasaurs aquatic dinosaurs?

[paper oriole]

they are aquatic reptiles

not dinosaurs

close enough

[silk heath]

ohh

[pliant ember]

OCs should be treated the same way as Offtopic stuff imo
I'm sorry but that type of stuff clogs the channel with Neon Green Uwutahs that drown out any sign of actually decent artwork

[paper oriole]

considering we have deinosuchus, megalania and pteranodon who are also not truly dinosaurs

there are some good OC drawings that don't look like they belong in some cringy deviantart fanfic story, neon raptors and anthros and the like shouldn't be allowed

[hallow vigil]

if mosa's confirmed (idr if it is or not) then i dont mind it personally. I think back in the day a small river mosa was confirmed but its prob scrapped now

not sure how i feel about not allowing OCs in general, since a great many of them are isle related

[pliant ember]

Hm fair point

[hallow vigil]

but i wouldnt mind not seeing anime-eyed neon-colored uwutahs lol

[paper oriole]

a lot of them are isle related and not absurd designs, it should just have a clear boundary

[pliant ember]

The "fuck me" eyed ones are just annoying

[hallow vigil]

^

[paper oriole]

no anthro, no weird wolf dino OCs (yep those have been posted), no neon rainbow dinos

[hallow vigil]

i hate the ones that have suggestive facial expressions, saliva dripping everywhere, etc. It feels so nsfw lol

[paper oriole]

ugh yeah those are some of the worst

and the ones with the huge eyelashes

[pliant ember]

Characterization for an animal should be fine as long as it isn't some Deviantart borderline fetish art

[paper oriole]

and big meaty jowls

i've also seen things removed from fanart for "not looking like the animal" because they had different skins or were even based on old isle models, but then an austro with a snout shorter than a utah's gets to stay?

[pliant ember]

Also mosa was basically in some concept art at one point
But that was a while back
Before the Recode

[hallow vigil]

ye

i also hate the spammy stick-figure dino posts that all think they're the funniest thing in the whole universe

as if it hasnt been done 1000 times

[paper oriole]

on occasion they can be funny but then people just start spamming them and it gets stale fast

[hallow vigil]

i feel like theyre there mostly because isle memes is dead

but i guess part of the joke is that theyre in a serious channel

[paper oriole]

yeah theyre basically shitposts

which should be allowed to an extent if they are isle related but only if they have actual effort put into them otherwise they end up being spammed by peope scribbling a 2 minute stick carno

[honest cradle]

It's verging on insulting when someone puts hours into making a piece of fanart to show, and then immediately getting drowned out by 2 minute doodles

[paper oriole]

or when somebody's isle related piece they put considerable effort into isn't isle enough but then a yutyrannus sketch is allowed

[honest cradle]

mhmm

[pliant ember]

There was also someone that photoshopped some JW renders on the new map photos and threw it on Fan-art, like, how is that funny?
Jokes need to be funny... right?

[paper oriole]

is that still there? because if so that's a yikes

[honest cradle]

Like cool, why bother putting in effort when that's allowed

[paper oriole]

fan-art is in dark times indeed

[pliant ember]

Nah I called a Mod on it

[honest cradle]

It's disheartening at best

[pliant ember]

Fan-art was so much fun back then

[wild stone]

I don't mind seeing doodles in the doodle chat, as long as they are isle related. There are a lot of kids who play this game and they should be allowed to participate. If your art is exceptional, make a blog and just send your link every once in awhile. Discord isn't the best format for art showcases, really - especially if it is limited to only one text channel.

[paper oriole]

is the traced path of titans spino and struthio still in there?

no these are people making scribbles as a joke, not kids

[pliant ember]

I remember making a Strain concept along with some folks in here
Now days is just sad to see what has become of it

[paper oriole]

they often have some 'humerous' description like "i spent 50 hours on this"

[wild stone]

Well in that case, a mod would know what to do about that.

Humerous, you say? 🦴

[silk heath]

kids aren't dumb

only some

[golden beacon]

If you call kids dumb your insulting your past self so

[wild stone]

Who said "dumb"?

[silk heath]

true

[golden beacon]

Idk just saying tho

[pliant ember]

That's a problem for past self me

[silk heath]

some people are using kids as an "excuse"

[golden beacon]

[wild stone]

How do you mean?

[paper oriole]

imagine spending 6 hours making an isle related piece that gets deleted because a mod doesn't like the skin pattern, but then a joke piece you can barely even see gets to stay lol

[wild stone]

What does the mods preferences have to do with anything?

[paper oriole]

inconsistency

[golden beacon]

Tf is that? Arlo from a good dinosaur? Lol

[paper oriole]

i have no clue what it is lol

it was taken from a drone or something

[golden beacon]

Now im terrible at drawing but cmon is this what art teachers feel like when they see something like this

[pseudo falcon]

@hallow vigil In my experience having these limitations just causes a lot of needless headache, so long as they're posting dinosaur art I don't see an issue. I feel like it's better to highlight the good isle related fan art by maybe having a showcase channel of sorts for art that a lot of people really enjoy, but for the public art channel it creates a bit too much restrictiveness and even drama. People want their favorite dinosaurs to be added to the game and sometimes that can only be expressed through their art.

[golden beacon]

Its "isle" fan art

[hallow vigil]

a lot of the headache could be avoided by just having less vague and generic restrictions

dino art is cool and all but this isnt google images

[paper oriole]

i'd say they should just bring back offtopic art but it was basically sfw furaffinity when they had that channel up

[hallow vigil]

^

im glad someone said it lol

[pseudo falcon]

And I wouldn't say the fan art channel is anything like google images. It has a variety of art in it.

[wild stone]

[paper oriole]

hey it's true tho

[pseudo falcon]

Yeah that goes for pretty much any isle server with an art channel in all fairness

[golden beacon]

How is this related to isle and how is this art

[pliant ember]

Offtopic art was a nightmare for both the Mods and the sane people of this discord

[pseudo falcon]

I like seeing people's personal dino art, it adds to the channel.

@golden beacon 3D art is just as much art as 2D

[wild stone]

Yeah, but.. it's not an Isle creature

[hallow vigil]

dino art is cool to see but when i open The Isle Fan Art, thats all i expect lol

[pliant ember]

But
It's unrelated
That's the point, why call it Fan-art at this point?

[hallow vigil]

rather than dinos in general

[paper oriole]

also speaking of changing up a channel's rules, it would be cool if the community channel didnt have a few certain servers posting like 50 advertisements drowning out everyone else, they should have to delete their old advert before posting a new one imo. but that would probably be annoying to moderate

[golden beacon]

Ok its art nvm XD

[pseudo falcon]

It's frustrating that he posts it over and over but it's still art

[paper oriole]

there are actually servers in there that have copypasted their advert dozens of times

[wild stone]

Fan art is art of the subject the fans are a fan of, not any art that a fan of the game did.

[golden beacon]

If only it was isle art

Ya know i like the one with the dilo and the taco

[paper oriole]

modeling is art, i guess they could change the description and call it juvie pachy since pachy's juvie is dracorex in order to make it isle related lol

[pseudo falcon]

If anything I would be happy with a no WIP policy more than removing all but isle dinos.

[paper oriole]

but there is a shitload of offtpic shit that has been posted in there

[hallow vigil]

^

[paper oriole]

ok yeah the WIP posts are annoying as fuck

[wild stone]

Just because there's a rule doesn't mean it must be strictly enforced. If I drive 3 miles to the gas station without my license on me, the cop isn't going to get whipped for not finding out that I did it.
And you can create rules just to catch the obnoxious people.

[paper oriole]

especially when its like "i added 4 lines i better post my progress"

[hallow vigil]

tbf i didnt say to only allow isle dinos, just to allow isle dinos and anything that is loosely related to the isle

[pseudo falcon]

but that creates those stupid debates where people argue that it's isle related

[paper oriole]

isle inspired is different than just slapping some random yutyrannus sketch in there. like making a dossier or drawing an unrelated dino alongside an isle dino, or making a strain

[hallow vigil]

just leave it up to the mods, theyre judgement is trusted for a reason

[paper oriole]

its pretty obvious when something is unrelated sometimes

[hallow vigil]

^

[pliant ember]

Better than having stuff that isn't Isle related in a Isle Fan-art channel

[paper oriole]

people should be able to appeal in mod DMs maybe or in the fanart discussion channel if need be, but there shouldn't be random unrelated shit in the fana rt channel when it is better suited for offtopic

[hallow vigil]

^

[pseudo falcon]

When I posted my carchara a while back I posted it thinking it would be cool to have in the isle and sorta had that in mind but it can't really be argued that it's isle fan art because it's a none isle related dino. I like being able to post my dino

some people might say it not isle related

but I had intentions for it to be

[hallow vigil]

you could post it in offtopic still. I know thats not an art channel, but this isnt really an art discord to begin with. We dont need to cater to everything

[golden beacon]

Here we have a torvosaurus tripping on a minecraft block dying and the end really good isle art guys

[hallow vigil]

lol

[paper oriole]

my anky prime got wiped from fanart shortly before the yuturannus got to stay 😦

[hallow vigil]

CURSED

[pseudo falcon]

lmfao

[paper oriole]

he is glorious bro

[wild stone]

Put it back

[paper oriole]

you know what, i will

[golden beacon]

Damn boi... DAMN BOI HE THICK BOII THATS A THICK ASS BOIIII

[pliant ember]

Isle inspired designs should be fine

But completely unrelated stuff can go to the void

[pseudo falcon]

But than it comes down to who can reason the best that their art is isle related

[wild stone]

Is there something wrong with that?

[hallow vigil]

^

[pliant ember]

Like, I've seen people straight up post JWE's Chasmosaurus in there
It's unrelated to TI
So it doesn't belong in the TI art channel

Simple as

[paper oriole]

i saw a JP trike in there a few days ago, like it looked so closely referenced it was obviously from JP

[pseudo falcon]

personally I wouldn't appreciate having to justify why I posted my art that I considered to be isle related. I just want certain dinos in game that arent and want to draw them how I would want them depicted in game

[paper oriole]

i guess they could argue it should be allowed because trike is in the isle but it had the JP beak skin sleeve thing, cmon adding that was a conscious decision they coulda just kept it off and it would be isle enough lol

[wild stone]

Cool. Just include elements from the game in the background. Or the foreground. Or a "Isle Fanart" label.
There are creative solutions to this problem.

[pliant ember]

The Æ symbol could work too

[pseudo falcon]

I think it's easier to just allow dinon related stuff

[paper oriole]

making a dossier for the animal is another way to make it isle worthy

[wild stone]

Sure, it's easier to allow rulebreaks, but we shouldn't do that obviously.

[pliant ember]

But then again
If people can just say that it's Isle related when it's obviously not
Then there's no point in calling it Fan-art

[pseudo falcon]

Well maybe crack down on the fact that something isn't paleo art

[feral wedge]

Personally, I also preferred the old channel rules. Yeah it was more of a pain, but it was more work that was truly "fan-art."

[paper oriole]

yeah there was someone way back who posted some random fictional mammal thing, looked like something out of pokemon and said "something cool that could be in an isle mod" that is just too far

[pseudo falcon]

Like if the stuff like that minecraft dino meme is annoying than just remove because the rules state isle fan art and paleo art

[feral wedge]

It's why I was often very harsh on what made it.

[pseudo falcon]

of which that animation was neither

[feral wedge]

And some people would try and find weird work-arounds to justify posting things that they just wanted to post.

Which was always testy.

[pseudo falcon]

ok so Gar, is the pain of governing it really worth it?

[pliant ember]

"Here's my feathered green Spino with huge wings, it's completely Isle related I swear"

[feral wedge]

Imo, yes.

I prefer the integrity of the channel's contents over letting it become a mess.

[pseudo falcon]

Aight well it doesn't bother me enough to argue against the people I had in mind when proposing it was a bad idea lol

[hallow vigil]

When i was a mod, i'd sometimes not have the energy for a big debate with an artist on what was/wasnt isle-related, but in the long run i believed it was also worth it

[golden beacon]

Anky prime coming to isle

[paper oriole]

anky prime should be elder anky model

[pliant ember]

Better than keeping the channel in it's current state, that's for sure

[golden beacon]

Hypo anky model

[feral wedge]

I thought Anky prime was more of a meme, tbh. Just another of those distorted models made for joking purpose.

[paper oriole]

it is one of the mutation memes yeah

[pliant ember]

Like that weird Dilo I presume

[paper oriole]

but to be fair, it is isle related

[golden beacon]

Dilo dog

[pliant ember]

What was it's name?
Bob?

[honest cradle]

Seeing it once or twice was fine, but seeing it nearly spammed got annoying really quick

[pliant ember]

Ben?

[feral wedge]

Memes still do not belong in fan-art.

Doesn't matter if TI related or not.

[paper oriole]

aw come on but a yutyrannus is allowed that just aint right man

[hallow vigil]

case in point, current rules are poopy stinky

[pliant ember]

Might have just slipped past the Mods

[pseudo falcon]

Ok so you're basically asking for your tyranus to be removed lol

[golden beacon]

Then its not isle or fan art its just art

[paper oriole]

yeah i am salty about the yutyrannus

[feral wedge]

I mean I don't think Yuty should be in there, either, but the consistency with the channel moderation is that we will always follow the channel rules when addressing things within.

Even when they change.

[pliant ember]

Paleoart is allowed too so

[paper oriole]

i've also seen othe rmutation memes stay in there but i dont wanna call them out

[golden beacon]

Protest for anky prime

[feral wedge]

If you never want to worry about butting heads with any of us over any sort of thing, the rules in channel decriptions and in the general #rules-and-info section line out everything beyond a few ambiguous ones that are pretty hard to get smacked for.

[pliant ember]

A lot of stuff seems to get past moderation
It's a fairly active channel in a big fucking Discord server
Stuff will slip from time to time

[feral wedge]

Mhm.

[paper oriole]

aw man anky prime got executed again

[feral wedge]

Rules are the rules. Lol

[pliant ember]

Your Anky just didn't get lucky

[paper oriole]

#isle-fan-art message

i am gonna be salty and petty about this

[golden beacon]

Justice will be served

[paper oriole]

justice for anky prime

damn the hot skin piece below that almost made me have a positive thought about utah

[golden beacon]

Minmi Prime when?

[paper oriole]

you know what, maybe i will

[feral wedge]

Be careful it's not a meme, or I will eradicate that, as well.

[golden beacon]

Hypo minmi should be bigger than brachi

[paper oriole]

;_;

[honest cradle]

Nah, make him the worst anklebiter known to man

But cool

[golden beacon]

Also look at #general-feedback feel bad for him that he doesn't know that server admins put passwords on the servers and that the rules for realism servers have nothing to do with the devs lol

[hallow vigil]

can servers have passwords in evrima? i only ever look at officials lol

[golden beacon]

Ehm i think so

Idk i play on teutonic

[hoary dawn]

i've never seen a server with a required password, then again i never willingly join realism servers

[paper oriole]

i've joined realism servers to troll and KOS so i'm probably the kind of person this dude wants passwords to stop

never seen a server with a passcode myself either though

[still raptor]

Class why did you do that?

[paper oriole]

aw man i missed a class selfie?

did i miss epic class face reveal

[tawny juniper]

?

[hoary dawn]

ai brachi herds scattered around would be awesome

[feral wedge]

What?

[tawny juniper]

WHat is anky prime

[paper oriole]

this guy

[tawny juniper]

That looks

Horrifying to say the least

[drifting radish]

Why... is it’s neck so long? shudder

[paper oriole]

No zombies pls

Zombies are so overdone

It honestly would feel cheap

[fiery wraith]

i thought they were doing cannibal monster demons, not zombies

[paper oriole]

Yeah and pretty sure cannibals are just mutants, another byproduct of Appolo Engineering's mad scientist shenanigans

[hoary dawn]

dont think a zombie filled hospital fits the kind of horror they're gonna go for

[limber hull]

i feel like a zombie-filled hospital would be very confusing

perhaps a defect-strain filled lab would fit better

[paper oriole]

or a lab where they had been testing on the tribals/cannibals could offer better creeps than generic zombies

[sonic mural]

@sudden kelp I think rex should get the longest scent radius rather than giga

[patent garden]

also giga should either be an ambusher or a “durability tracker” hunter, not both. remember that apexes should be filling specific niches — we dont want them running around as ridiculously op death machines like back in legacy, do we?

[paper oriole]

yikes that giga suggestion

you want giga to be totally busted or something?

[patent garden]

people in this game only want apex carnis to be somewhat playable apparently

and to dunk on literally everything else without needing any skill whatsoever

[paper oriole]

giga has no excuse to be beating an adult tenonto in a chase even with ambush either

or any other animal around tenonto's size for that matter

[sonic mural]

True

[patent garden]

if the tenonto sees the giga at all, the giga’s fucked the hunt lmao

sees it before its within range*

i.e, 15-20 feet for an ambusher or smth

[paper oriole]

"give giga endurance predator trot while also letting it catch adult tenontos with the ambush ability from legacy that they removed for a reason"

totally bonkers

[patent garden]

evrima is trying to make apexes more niche for a reason....

key word trying tho

deinos can win easily on land rn

[paper oriole]

i mean they didnt do a bad job with deino for the most part, it just needs some tweaks

its actual ability is done well

[patent garden]

tru, just needs to have facetanking and spam alt biting discouraged

[paper oriole]

it needs punishment for spamming alt bite

[sonic mural]

Until another deino shows up and kills it

[paper oriole]

take away the ridiculous stam usage from stego swing and throw it on deino alt bite, bam

[patent garden]

i actually liked the period of time where it was genuinely “oh my god how long should i drink?? should i risk it and be greedy????” better than “lol gonna fly to a shallow spot because they’re everywhere”

deino’s ambush is scary as fuck

only time ive ever believed the supposed horror aspect of the game

[paper oriole]

yeah now it's just deinos waltzing onto land because they can spam alt bite anything that goes near them

then running back into the river when shit looks tough for them

[patent garden]

the ambush should be heavily prioritized and preferred... people need to realize that ambushers lose the instant they’re seen

[paper oriole]

theyre basically the new docktahs

[patent garden]

yeh...

speaking of which, with the shit ass desync and attacks clipping thru the rocks, utahs main appeal of “get on rock, rock safe” isnt really used much anymore

[paper oriole]

yeah it's kinda funny the fat alligator does a better job at being a rock/docktah than actual utahs now

[patent garden]

i know it was annoying sometimes but it created more fun fights imo

[paper oriole]

utahs are still annoying as hell but at least there's less of them biting and then hiding on a rock, hopefully they dont get the momentum tree climb to revert them back into the insufferable perch rats they used to be

[patent garden]

lol yeah, im hoping they wont really be able to utilize trees (despite the concept art) and more that they’ll stick to rocks considering the things litter half the map

[sonic mural]

I’d rather go up a tree since carno can still get on some rocks

[patent garden]

trees should be for the herreras

imo

just so there’s more of a spread of dinos

[paper oriole]

velo can get a momentum climb, utah doesn't need it

[patent garden]

plus keep in mind utahs hunt best away from trees because of pounce, so... doesnt make sense to encourage them to hang out in the forest

[paper oriole]

also a 500kg animal momentum running up a tree lmao why

[patent garden]

jumping onto a rock should be the most they get climbing wise

[paper oriole]

yeah it's enough for them, they'll also probably climb human structures again once more of that is in

[patent garden]

yee

let the herreras have their trees 😤 ✊

[paper oriole]

yeah and also the momentum climb would screw over hypsi with his already shitty jump too

[sonic mural]

It’ll probably cost them a lot less stam than Utah when going up a tree

[patent garden]

otherwise it takes away from the herrera’s niche...

seriously, raptors do not need to be everywhere...

[paper oriole]

still utah is already very mobile and agile, can climb rocks, can lose carnos in the forest, will be climbing human structures like crates and buildings again when they come

it doesn't need more

[patent garden]

^^^

again the whole point of evrima is to encourage niches

utah will already be way more versatile than most dinos, even without tree climbing

[sonic mural]

True

[paper oriole]

it also leaves momentum climbing open for some unadded dinosaur to claim who would utilize it better

[sonic mural]

If the whole pounce dismount wasn’t a free hit sometimes I’d basically be the most survivable carnivore rn

[paper oriole]

not to mention super easy to grow when youre in one of the many utah megapacks

those packs replenish their numbers so damn easily

[sonic mural]

Yep and u can always juke carnos to get away in the forest

[paper oriole]

yeap

[sudden kelp]

@sonic mural actually that makes a lot of sense

[paper oriole]

yo sorbi

were you drunk when you made that giga suggestion

[novel turtle]

i like the tracking idea just not the ambush stuff

[paper oriole]

whatever we get, we don't need legacy giga back tracking all mid tiers across the map and making some animals plain uniable when they come across it

their suggestion sounds like that + being given back legacy ambush mechanic fast enough to run down things like tenonto that giga shouldnt even have on its diet preferences

[spiral ravine]

@sudden kelp that's just legacy giga, and we know giga will be very different from legacy

[sonic mural]

Yep

[spiral ravine]

they also said they're not bringing back the old crouch-ambush, and even if they do decide to give some dinos ambush it'll have to be reworked

[sudden hinge]

@sudden kelp no we don’t need legacy giga again and any apex should not trot like they used to in legacy

[limber hull]

i think that deino should remain the apex ambusher

[honest sparrow]

Rex exists

[paper oriole]

no issue with having a terrestrial apex ambusher just... not what sorbi suggested

[honest sparrow]

Endurance tracker high speed bleeder apex

[paper oriole]

apex endurance tracker high bleeder ambusher

tooootally not busted

[honest sparrow]

Yeah

[limber hull]

weakness: none

doesn't need one

weaknesses are lame

[honest sparrow]

why not make quetz 1 shot mid tiers while your at it

[paper oriole]

give rex a ranged attack where it makes a shockwave by biting and it breaks all your bones

[limber hull]

let rex have fucking wings like in the novel, Z-Rex

[sudden hinge]

no apex predator should have a fast trot speed we dont want a rerun of legacy giga

[wintry monolith]

@radiant dagger thats literatly what it is but that carnis dont only eat small opertunists, they actualy hunt other dinos

[urban flax]

Goats ?

[paper oriole]

Little monkey jungle

Logically any wild goats on the island would go extinct due to all the huge invasive predators and herbivore competition

So no thanks to both

[patent garden]

ah but have you considered: goat

[limber hull]

goat

funny

[radiant dagger]

@wintry monolith sure Hunt dinos its basically but for doing vitality at the map...The Isle i think it's a land at modern era... Some human import goat rats and cappucino monkey living there before dinos was created and other animal it's local Fauna that's right? 🙂

[urban flax]

Yes but they would die instantly

Rats yes, goats and monkeys would die

[limber hull]

however

goats and monkeys are funny

[urban flax]

And carnivores diets should be other dinosaurs...

[paper oriole]

Cappucino monkeys

[patent garden]

mm monke

[radiant dagger]

I think little monkey can survive untill herrerasaurus was implemented 😂

[paper oriole]

Rats, lizards and flying birds make sense, monkeys and goats not so much

[urban flax]

This is quite stupid reasoning
Herrerasaurus is in The Isle. It's not just ingame yet

[patent garden]

anyways if you're gonna suggest "modern" animals, why not suggest non-dino animals that lived at the same time as dinos? i.e, crabs, jellyfish, etc.

[paper oriole]

Unless mercs bring goats with them as livestock and they are present in bases i cant see it looking good in game

[patent garden]

^

also fur 🤢

[paper oriole]

Somebody suggested replacing predatory dino AI with wolves a bit back lmao

Cringe

[urban flax]

haha yes I remember

Wasn't it Dio ?

[paper oriole]

Shit it was i think

[urban flax]

Well wolves wouldn't do anything

[radiant dagger]

Ok that was an idea... Can add only lizard rats bird

[paper oriole]

Wolves are overrated and would get shredded instantly by almost the entire roster

Lizards, rats, birds, crabs, bugs

[urban flax]

Actually they could run away since they're faster than any dino
But won't work as predators x)

[paper oriole]

No large mammals, humans are the largest mammal that should be in the isle

Wolves would spend their time running away, getting bodied when they try to scavenge and get jumped, and then starve to death all while ruining the atmosphere of the game

[patent garden]

although id love a prehistoric mammal game like the isle (i.e, smilodons, terror birds, etc. etc.), i think it'd be kind of wack to put mammals in the game

balance-wise and aesthetic-wise

and yes i know terror birds arent mammals i just mean a different time period***

[paper oriole]

Yeah the game already has its theme, if the isle picks up more real steam it is inevitable that some ice age survival or something will pop up from another developer inspired by the success

[patent garden]

pleistocene is what i meant lol

and yeah

maybe the isle 2 lmao

[paper oriole]

Cambrian survival game

Unironically i'd want it

[patent garden]

honestly yeah, put me in the fuckin primordial soup

[paper oriole]

I wanna be a funny shrimp

[patent garden]

i wanna be a giant water centipede

[paper oriole]

Websteroprion the deino of cambrian survival

[patent garden]

pog

[paper oriole]

Oh wait he wasnt cambrian was he... oh well close enough

[radiant dagger]

Purgatorius was a primal lived with dino its look like squirrel...can add that 😂

[vivid needle]

Yoh guys, what does the timer icon means when you react to a post ?

[urban flax]

That means it's planned or coming later

[vivid needle]

thanks 🙂

[limber hull]

hmm yes i sure do love being hit through a fucking rock by stegs

god dammit

i was not only on top of a rock, but above a steg

the motherfucker somehow hit me

and obviously landed a headshot

[urban flax]

@odd sedge I'm still mixed on the topic of lemur Oro

I understand the appeal of the arboreal niche since we don't have any arboreal herbivore yet, but why should it specifically look like a lemur ? That seems like a blatant attempt at showing Oro as a modern animal which it clearly isn't. Having a prehensile tail is nice, but having a round-ended striped prehensile tail just looks like a lack of imagination and that someone just looked at lemurs and thought "Hey, I should make a dinosaur version of this" instead of someone looking at an orodromeus and thinking "Hey, this dinosaur could be adapted to live in the trees"

Because in my opinion, current Oro doesn't look like an arboreal creature at all. Historically, it was fully terrestrial and even probably a burrower. Even though it's not much of a problem to change this in The Isle, just giving it an lemur niche and skin is even worse than terrestrial spino (which is how we thought spino was for a long time at least)

[blazing charm]

Personally gonna have to disagree with the idea of Lemur Oro, it feels weird to make an arboreal animal when something like Hypsi feels alot more at home with its jump ability and the Bird of Paradise look it has going on. The point of animals like Taco already burrowing seems invalid to me, rather than wasting a huge amount of effort on completely transforming a creature, you can just work towards making the concept of burrowing more varied.

[urban flax]

This is also true, even though I don't like arboreal hypsi a lot either. Burrowing doesn't have to be just "press a key to make a hole with a single room" like in legacy, having a more complex burrowing mechanic could lead to oro having a unique burrow instead of forcefully dragging it to a lemur niche in the trees

[oak wadi]

Any idea how dev going to fix mix pack ? Any news regarding that any system?

[urban flax]

No

[odd sedge]

This is a fair point, I personally just like the idea of a striped tail since it also fits into the oros (current) color scheme (don't know how much the devs decide to change it), but it is not really a must have in my opinion.
The tail hanging mechanic, which is not exclusive to lemurs today, is something that I'd see as necessary however to make it different and unique compared to the Hera, because else it might as well be a slower, worse and vegan Herrera

[valid zephyr]

I'm honestly not a fan of lemur oro. The hypsi design we got (literally a bird of paradise) feels much more suited to climbing. It has short legs and has poor strait line speed, almost like a squirrel in build.

[wary sparrow]

I don’t care wether hypsi or oro becomes a climber, all I want is a climbing herbi that has to watch out for herras

[valid zephyr]

Yeah I definitely want a small climbing herbi to act as herrea pray.

I just think that hypsi is already half way there.

[odd sedge]

It is not like I couldn't see Hypsi climbing (Because the anatomy argument does not really count with Oro and Hypsi being fairly similar)
And I can also see Oro as a burrower or semi aquatic animal.

My point is, that those niches are already nicely endowed and the arboreal niche seems so sparse.
And with Hypsi already being unique in its own way, I'd just prefer putting Oro into the trees

[valid zephyr]

I'd argue for oro burrowing as it potentially did irl.

But i'm already annoyed that burrowing has been copied and pasted onto almost every small herbi (and no carnis for some reason).

ava, proto, taco, dryo, minmi, homa.

[odd sedge]

Same goes for Hypsi, since it is heavily fictionalized in the isle and probably a bottom dweller like Oro

[valid zephyr]

My personal preferred list for burrowing would be: proto, oro, velo. maybe minmi in aquatic burrows.

[odd sedge]

I don't see velo burrowing. I can see it invading burrows but I'd rather see it as a glider or dry season dweller than a burrower

[valid zephyr]

I want at least one burrowing carnivore.

At least as a burrow invader.

Gliding would need a lot of fictionalisation for velo. As unlike nychus, its shoulder range and limb proportions are more limiting...

But we have penguin beip so... I don't think that giving velo longer arms is that far fetched.

My ideal poor glider would be deinonychus. But that's but in game.

[odd sedge]

I mean.. they gave Hypsi feathers and not Troodon.
So we know the devs like to fictionalize in general

Personally, I'd see Deinoychus as a glider as well.
But we already have 50+ dinosaurs and adding more would feel a little icky, at least for me personally, so I stand with the opinion of using the ones we have to fill the niches

[valid zephyr]

I mean potentially velo could have both the gliding mechanic, and burrow raiding stuck on. Burrowing owl...

[odd sedge]

Ohhhh I actually like that

[odd sedge]

I like that idea a lot

[valid zephyr]

So torn on burrowing oro.

On one hand it prorably burrowed irl. On the other... almost everything small is being given burrowing which sucks.

So the animal which actually burrowed is being left out, while animals with no business burrowing are doing so.

I did an oro suggestion a while ago with mei. Trying to work around the limitations of wanting hypsi to be the climber, while not copy and pasting burrowing onto it.

#general-feedback message

[spiral ravine]

@vivid spade in my experience utah is better, but also carno bucking specifically is very wonky

have to stand there and spam e a few times before you can start bucking a raptor, and meanwhile your dino is just standing there pondering about meaning of life

[odd sedge]

I think the argument isn't really waterproof tho.
Saying oro probably burrowed back then and then making Hypsi climb is quite a paradox, since they are essentially the same.
Not really, just really similar

[valid zephyr]

The difference is, hypsi has already been fictionalised into a squirrel bird. So we're already working with an animal which has been fictionalised to look like a tree dweller.

If there were no smalls in the roster at all, and hypsi was brought in, I'd want it as a fast, ground dwelling, nocturnal, deer like animal. Like it was irl.

I just don't understand the point in making oro a climber, when the fictionalised isle hypsi already looks like an arboreal animal.

Additionally, hypsilophodon was thought to be an arboreal animal for 30 years by paleontologists. So if any are fictionalised into climbers, it should be that one.

[odd sedge]

The point is to not have Taco, Oro and Homalo basically the same animal and since Hypsi already has unique features and is somewhat viable, Oro could fill that arboreal spot in order to not be a defenseless burrower copy

Hypsi is semi arboreal right now but it wasn't intended.

You can leave it at that and make Oro fully arboreal and have them slightly rival each other in food.

In the end that would only mean more prey for Heras

[valid zephyr]

Honestly if they turned oro into some tail swinging monkey with opposable thumbs like i've seen suggested, I'd want it to be given a fictional name.

I hate this 'make up an animal and glue a dino name at the top' thing.

I can draw a unicorn and write tyrannosaurus rex at the top. Doesn't make it a rex.

[odd sedge]

[valid zephyr]

There are already names like novaraptor. It should have been used.

Yeah sorry just having a rant, as I arrived in the earlier days of the isle were semi realism existed.

[odd sedge]

I get that pal

But Hypsi climbing is not more realistic than Oro climbing

[valid zephyr]

And now there are swimming penguin theris, albertos with heads are large as their body, armadillo ankys, and things just get more and more like ark.

[odd sedge]

We had naked raptors with broken wrists from the start, the isle has never really been realistic

[golden beacon]

facts

[valid zephyr]

When you look at things like the allo we have, next to the new alberto, you can tell the entire design style has changed though.

I'm guessing intentionally.

[odd sedge]

Of course the creatures are heavily fictionalized

[valid zephyr]

If oro got turned into a full climber, I'd want hypsi to have longer legs like it did irl and run better.

rather than being this slow squirrel like animal with short legs.

I don't like this thing where it looks like a climbing animal, has short legs and isn't very fast.... but would end up with the ground niche.

Still legit got no idea why homa, hypsi, taco, oro are all needed. So much redundent chaff.

oro and taco were fine by themselves. They didn't need doubling.

[odd sedge]

The fact that Hypsi looks like a bird of paradise is a flaw to begin with

[valid zephyr]

If oro got turned into a fully arboreal animal, I'd want it to look like a bird of paridise.

[odd sedge]

Fair enough. If Hypsi was fictionalized that way, why not make the other small ornithopod into a bird of paradise as well

[valid zephyr]

I'd want one as an arboreal bird of paradise, and one as a fast roadrunner/hare styled animal.

I just dislike the 'lemur' approach. As prenhensile tails and monkey hands look so off for a dino.

I wouldn't care if it was hypsi or oro which climbed. As long as whichever climbed was based more off a climbing animal, and one was based off a ground animal.

[odd sedge]

That is not a concept for monkeys, other species have a grabby tail as well, so an arboreal “dinosaur“ could have that as well

[valid zephyr]

If oro was made a climber, i'd want hypsi redone completely to look more like a ground animal. Not like a climbing bird. And given longer legs like it had irl.

[oak tapir]

I see alot of people talking about oro , oro should be an ATD (All terrain dino ) climb trees , enter burrows or build them , scale mountains , swim ,

[valid zephyr]

This has never screamed 'ground animal' to me.

[wild stone]

Why is it bad for burrowing to become a generic ability? You can just make some animals better at it than others.
No one said that we have to have complex burrowing system that all smalls are proficient in. Just that they need to be able to access the burrows.

Think of burrowing as a similar mechanic to Trample. There will be some that are of a size that simply cannot make use of the mechanic, but that doesn't mean most animals can't in some way or at some stage of life. And no one is saying that burrowing is the only special thing that animal is going to get.

I mean, imagine refusing to add an animal because "We don't need more fliers." Isn't that sort of dumb, considering there's only one, and it has a very specific playstyle and diet coming to the game? There is so much more room in our skies right now. Well, you should think of burrowing in a similar fashion.

I would be happy if up to a dozen different species had access to burrows, as long as those species shared certain characteristics in common and it made sense for them to do it. And I imagine that the list of creatures entering burrows vs. the list of creatures making burrows is not identical.

You could even restrict some species burrowing ability behind a perk, to indicate that they're not really meant to burrow, but that character did something in its life that gave it an advantage that others of its species do not have. You would have to be selective about which species got said perk, though.

[odd sedge]

That won't solve the problem of having basically every small creature burrowing while the arboreal niche is just Hera so far

[wild stone]

2 things.
Is that really a problem to solve?
and, Pteranodon will be able to climb, or atleast hang on to some surfaces eventually. Hypsi is marketed as a climbing creature in the concept art. There are plenty of creatures that can make use of the jungle to hide. Are you using the phrase "arboreal niche" strictly to refer to climbers?

Come to think of it, is there a reason Herrerasaurus shouldn't be able to dig up burrows as a perk, like I mentioned before? Look at those claws.

[dire peak]

The Isle

[valid zephyr]

I don't think pteranodon is planned to climb. More just sit on rocks.

A climbing pterosaur would be cool though. Fruit eater maybe.

[potent sparrow]

Curious about the swamp. Most of the swamp lake has this short cliff that drops you into the water when you try to take a drink, and you just fall in, unable to climb back out until you either drown, get eaten by a deino, or slowly swim across the edge of the water until you can find a spot to climb out. This cant possibly be intentional, because the heck is this trap

[odd sedge]

Yes, this is a problem to solve.
With Heras main terrain being the trees, there has to be something that it can actively hunt since waiting for creatures to pass through the forest isn't as reliable as camping the water as a Deino.
Else they will heavily cannibalize each other and still starve

Hypsi isn't a climber (currently) and there is no reason for Pteras to hang in trees when they can land on rocks

[wild stone]

There will be plenty. The devs can put AI spawns in whatever environment they choose. You don't have to try to shoehorn players into environments that they don't want to be in.

Hard disagree with you, there.

[odd sedge]

From what we can see so far, there is close to no ai

Also the trees are lacking an ecosystem

I'm not saying that Hera shouldn't be able to also invade burrows. I hold the opinion that hatchling Heras shouldn't be able to climb, so it would work

But I also hold the opinion that hera needs a prey-predator relationship with an arboreal, climbing herbivore/omnivore, because forest gameplay is not even viable, so there is no reason for other players to be there except for running away from bigger things

Point given, that is the perfect opportunity to launch an attack as a Hera, but those circumstances are not reliable

[wild stone]

So an arboreal climbing herbivore like Hypsi, in other words.

[odd sedge]

Hypsi isn't arboreal right now

The devs literally did not intend it to be a climber

[wild stone]

OK, but neither is herrerasaurus in the game right now, so these are future issues that can be solved with future mechanics.
Yes, the devs literally did. Tapwing's concept art showcases it climbing as a feature.

[odd sedge]

It being able to jump into trees was because players found it out

[wary sparrow]

I’d like tapejara as an frugivore that can climb. This would give us a new unique flier and also an animal that has to enter herras main territory for food

[wild stone]

"Forest gameplay not being viable" is going to quickly get turned on its head once diets come to the game. Creatures that feed on roots and tubers are only going to have ideal food sources in the jungle, where they can grow optimally.

[wary sparrow]

It doesn’t, it just sits on a very low part of a tree

[valid zephyr]

i'd prefer tupandactylus. It's like tapejara, but bigger than a sparrow.

[wary sparrow]

Oh yea I got them mixed up, I meant tupan

[valid zephyr]

If hypsi was meant to be a dedicated ground animal, it shouldn't have been modelled off a climbing animal, given shorter rear limbs, and made slow on the ground.

[wary sparrow]

I wouldn’t complain if hypsi would be an actual arboreal animal once the climbing mechanic comes

[wild stone]

Exactly. This is the creature that is designed to look like a specific real-world bird. Where do you find birds? You find them in trees.
This creatures design is suggestive of an arboreal lifestyle. This should be obvious - the developers are telegraphing you this information without actually coming out and saying it. Learn to read between the lines.

[valid zephyr]

I want hypsi OR oro to be arboreal. But to me, hypsi is half way already.

And I don't want arboreal oro, and a hypsi which looks arboreal but isn't.

If oro got turned into a climber and hypsi a runner, I'd want hypsi to look and act like a runner.

[wary sparrow]

Herra tupan and hypsi for a tree ecosystem when ?

[wild stone]

I would prefer Hypsi to not be a roadrunner, but a...
woadrunner. 🌳 🌳 🌳 🐦 🌳

[valid zephyr]

Bird of paridise oro, and roadrunner/pheasant hypsi would have been fine imo.

But we've got bird of paridise hypsi.

So i'd rather have roadrunner/hare/pheasant oro.

[compact hare]

about to do a suggestion for ... distorted vision when you eat wrong shrooms

but they dont debuff you, they only makes you "high", changing some colors of your vision, "world spinning" etc
idk, maybe they can give vomiting, I have no idea

For more fun, I think it would be funny to get high and maybe see a dinosaur walking in a very derpy way

Im gonna do some drawings too

Any opinions?

[wary sparrow]

Sounds neat

[compact hare]

thank you

[tawny juniper]

The concept art shows it in a tree if I remember correctly

[odd sedge]

As far as I remember it was a low hanging branch.
And from what I know, the devs did not intend Hypsi to actually climb, players just found out how to jump into trees.

I mean the concept art for the Utah shows how it's jumping up a tree, yet that isn't in the game either so I wouldn't put my hand into the fire and say that everything shown in the concept art is coming into the game

[wary sparrow]

Well Utahs scrambling up a tree will be a thing

Apparently climbing will not be a you have it or you don‘t kind of thing but more a skill many things can access but how good they are at it depends on the species and age

[valid zephyr]

@tender latch yes!

climbing, fruit eating tupan is cool!

[hoary dawn]

one thing i would change personally is swap out the "steady flight" mode for a hovering mode, giving it even more maneuverability at the cost of being way slower

also the barrel roll is a bit much

[hoary dawn]

the devs plan to make utah able to scramble up trees as an escape option like in the concept

[patent garden]

id love a herbi flyer :)

rn all the cool shit is reserved for carnis it seems

i also agree that “steady mode” should be replaced with a hover tho

makes more sense and would help differentiate it from the ptera

[jade schooner]

Yus

Tupandactylus for the isle 🙌🏽

[jade schooner]

I agree. Mostly due to the huge sail its crest is, would make near impossible. I would argue that it could give it a steadier flight

[paper oriole]

Why tf does someone want dinos burping this aint a cartoon

Do birds and reptiles even do that

So no reason to add it

[desert rain]

Fridges are overrated

Like I don't get door-in-a-door compartments, and I don't think I ever will. These compartments are essentially just an extra door on the front of the fridge that opens up to reveal the in-door shelves, and companies pitch them as a convenient way to quickly access things like drinks and condiments. But ultimately, you're still just opening a door and grabbing what you want -- same as it ever was.
In fact, there's a good argument to be made that door-in-a-door compartments make things less convenient. Just look at the approach LG takes with most of its "Door-in-Door" fridges. There's a plastic barrier on the inside of the shelves designed to help keep the cold in when you open the front panel, but it makes it difficult or even impossible to access the groceries on those in-door shelves the old-fashioned way -- from the inside. Plus, it's flimsy as hell.

[paper oriole]

what

[desert rain]

They just overrated.

[paper oriole]

but what does this have to do with the isle

[lapis tree]

Hold up what

[worn pumice]

[swift dew]

[worn pumice]

It’s gone

[desert rain]

If humans get added then they gonna have to store food somewhere duh

[paper oriole]

[sonic mural]

😐

[worn pumice]

[golden beacon]

Well i just want the old main menu music that was really good

[slim elbow]

wow that map is awesome

[paper oriole]

Ptera carrier pigeons

[drifting radish]

[tame sentinel]

Are they going to get rid of legacy once evirma is complete?

[drifting radish]

I dont think they've fully come to a cunclussion yet, or if they have, they havent said what the verdict is. at least, from what i know.

[cyan flame]

Yes. When Evrima is in a good enough state with performance and content legacy will be shut down.

[patent garden]

i imagine once modding support is in, some people may try to bring back legacy with mods

...maybe

[vestal rune]

why the hell would you want to bring back legacy?

like I get maybe bringing back some things from legacy, like maps I guess, but why the hell would you want that horrible build to return?

also legacy was always intended to be deleted after evrima was complete enough

[hoary dawn]

diehard docktahs that cant accept change probably

[patent garden]

legacy is pretty trash, yeah, but a lot of people have memories from it and it was the primary version of the game for the first 5ish years of development

just saying that people may try to bring it back via mods once it gets deleted

[drifting radish]

it'd be cool too see if they could take the v3 map and revamp it! unsure if they every intend to add more maps, but i think that'd be pretty neat haha

[worn pumice]

Cuz it’s balanced

[swift dew]

they probably do, there is spero and spiro which are confirmed. a good chance thenyaw is getting a remake. and there is a good chance for a few more maps

[drifting radish]

wait wait wait -- spero? i thought it was just a typo for spiro? the more u know, ig lmao

[swift dew]

this is spero, spiro, and region two for reference

[drifting radish]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[swift dew]

spero is the map that was supposed to be on evrimas launch but the engine couldn't handle the full size so we got a rushed version of spiro

spero is also the map that the hope trailer takes place on

[drifting radish]

so wait how big is region 2 to v3? abt half?

[jade schooner]

Wait, wasn’t hope on spero?

[swift dew]

the blue square is about the size of v3, however that includes all of the useless mountains and ocean so the actual playable area is smaller. but that goes for every map

[swift dew]

yes hope was on spero

[jade schooner]

Oh I misread spiro , sorry

[drifting radish]

oh cool, thanks piggy! that helps put things into scale a lot better

[jade schooner]

What was the size of Thenyaw and v3 respectively?

[swift dew]

v3 was 16x16 km, I forgot thenyaw

[jade schooner]

Oke 🤔

[swift dew]

spiro is 20x20 km, and spero is 32x32 km (including ocean)

[jade schooner]

Spiro is already large enough. I don’t think we need anything larger than it.
Tbh V3 was good enough for large extensions and player interaction

[swift dew]

legacy thenyaw is 6x6.5 km. so about the size of the current playable area of spiro

now that I think about it the region two in the picture might be a bit oversized

[jade schooner]

Regarding Thenyaw getting a remake, I’m not so sure. Although Dinosauriac was making a “new thenyaw”, but since he left the team, idk where that was left

[jade schooner]

May be

[swift dew]

yeah I know that, but I still wouldn't be surprised of thenyaw does get a remake and I also want it too, however I hope its a temperate island since we don't need a 3rd tropical one

[jade schooner]

Same

A rework/revamp and improvement of thenyaw would be amazing. Honestly I think it was one of the best maps, but I could be biased because it’s the one I’m most familiar with

[drifting radish]

it could turn into a really beautiful redwood map like wayyyyyyyyyy back -- or could stay as a more northern canada type of borealis (I cannot for the life of me remember how to spell it) forest

[jade schooner]

Or have variety and include both in an harmonic way

[static blade]

yo

im a new player how can i become an alligator

[eternal owl]

Select “deinosuchus” in the menu screen

[static blade]

i dont see it

[swift dew]

@static blade since your a new player your probably on the legacy branch, someone in #401464048610312195 should be able to help you

[violet sparrow]

it's funny how Spiro is essentially bigger than Spero on transversable area for most animals. Just a bunch of useless salt water that won't be used by anything that isn't a fully aquatic creature, like a mosa.

[swift dew]

if you add all 4 of spero's islands then its about the same as spiro on area, but spero will feel bigger because of the distance between islands and the gulf

[hoary dawn]

the new region 2 is being worked into spiro, not its own separate map

[swift dew]

yeah, the title is wrong, the sizes are for the most part correct which is the important thing

[still sinew]

Before I make a feed back post I wanna ask - does crouching decrease scent tracks like it did in legacy?

Sneaking is a little more viable when things you're sneeaking up on or away from can't just track ya down

[honest sparrow]

Yeah

[hoary dawn]

reacting to your own suggestion moment

[patent garden]

f

[still sinew]

Okay I just tested it in EV it seems like it's working in that way

Just didn't wanna waste people time suggesting it if I could ask first/test (just didn't seem like it was working like that for a while)

[compact hare]

bruh

[swift dew]

it was pinkdog

he put both a check (thumbs up) and an x for people to use

nobody actually put an x

lmao

[compact hare]

I understand

but.. but still

[still sinew]

from the one guy who was like uhh r/boneappletea ? xD

[hoary dawn]

idk why they would expect people to react with an ❌ to a bug fix suggestion

[still sinew]

I mean for the "just in case"? It could also be one of those things that you see other people doing it so you just do it too

[tawny crest]

@charred nova about adding world war 2 remains to the island, no it doesnt really make sense to do that since you know, why would there be ww2 remains on a dinosaur island??? and im pretty sure it would never make sense in lore too

[paper oriole]

Depends on how long AE/Phoenix corps' experiments have been going on, and what utilities they may have used (planes, armoured vehicles, ships, etc)

[tawny crest]

yeah but he means like from world war 2

but you are right

[paper oriole]

Maybe no ww2 tanks but ruins from that era could make sense, plane crashes could work though

[tawny crest]

yes

[paper oriole]

If they were gunned down for treading too close

[hoary dawn]

isle/dino d day crossover

[patent garden]

ruins / abandoned stuff (other than buildings) would actually be kinda cool but yeah ww2 stuff seems a bit off

[hoary dawn]

they shouldn't make shallow deeper, they should make the part that is shallow shorter so it doesn't take half an hour to walk through as deino

but its good to have a section of river that is dangerous for deino

[bold palm]

legs are too close together, wider apart at the hip would prob look a bit better

also legs seem too short in the end of the video when it's running.

body is way larger than the legs

[hoary dawn]

i mean that is a wip animation from over a year ago for an animal that wont come to the game for a while, but yea

final version should have more weight to it

ok and now they react to their own suggestion with a 📌

[clever urchin]

@desert tendon Ptera gets easy food so I don't think there's need for that. Ptera was a fisher dino and he, well, ate fish. Also how do you think a ptera could pluck a piece of meat in high speeds? He has a sharp beak and the last thing I want is my ptera to be wedged into a corpse

If anybody else wants to share their thoughs I'm open for discussion about this since maybe something could be worked out!

[wintry monolith]

@ivory ledge a update wouldent fix that because its that smb took the slot before you

[charred nova]

@tawny crest if you know a bit of history you would understand why i said there should be ww2 remains

[wintry monolith]

nobody have said that the island was a part of he us pasific campaing or used as an restock/air base

[charred nova]

Could of easily been invaded by the Japanese but forgotten about or possibly plane's could of crashed there

[urban flax]

The Isle literally has nothing to do with WW2

[wintry monolith]

no, only 2 island owned by the us was captured by the japanese and thos where close to alaska

plus both the us and japanese where having very big suplies issues they wouldent just leave shit there

and if they did becuase they couldnet get it out the scientist that came later would have taken them away

[charred nova]

There's plenty of. Missing aircraft in new guinea yet it's quite populated

[wintry monolith]

aircraft

not tanks

[charred nova]

Yea i used the tank as a bit of a example i agree on that

[wintry monolith]

and there are tribals on the island

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFpKnHpQMU8

idk how true this is but a grain of it needs to be in the video

[snow meadow]

Is there a way to get Utahs off you when they pounce as deino 🤔

[zealous violet]

Press E to buck I believe it was

[tawny crest]

ww2 remains make no sense and people think the islands may be man made aswell

[charred nova]

Can you explain why they would be no sense

It's likely this map is based in the Pacific aswell

[tawny crest]

i doubt that devs will add ww2 remains anyway

it would be cool but would affect the isle's lore alot

you dont even know if the island is man made or not

[charred nova]

if it was v3 then yea i could see it being man made but this? i dont think so

[tawny crest]

well still ww2 remains wouldn't just fit the isle

ww2 has litterally nothing to do with the isle

[patent garden]

bruh apparently AE labs or whatever literally brought dinos back to life and all that hypo strain stuff too.... why would they not be able to do a bit of terraforming

lmao

[tawny crest]

exactly

[patent garden]

anyways, some ruins / war stuff could be cool (i.e, from whatever war caused some douchebags to decide that deadly dino island was a good idea) and it seems like the hypo strains may have been developed for military purposes, but it makes no sense for those ruins to be based on ww2 specifically. remnants of a general war, especially sci-fi futuristic war, could be cool tho

[zealous violet]

The rex walking animation has the same issue as the utah running animation looking like a guy riding a bicycle. Its weighless and just doesnt look right- especially from the back which is where we will be mostly seeing it and where we currently see it now in the utah.

[charred nova]

no one has still yet to explain why a few crashed ww 2 planes as easter eggs wouldnt be fine

could be used to show how mysterious the island is after all this time people have yet to fully explore it

[urban flax]

Maybe things actually related to the lore would be better

[zealous violet]

Because it takes us out of the immersion of the game and not everyone has good associations with ww2 and it would be unwise to put something that specifically hurt others at one point and time and that which might still make people uncomfortable into the game deliberately when it has nothing to do with ww2.

Its a fantasy game with some aspects of realism. But you take it too far by adding specific dates and such and you turn it into something other than its current narrative.

[charred nova]

so according to that logic you cant have any easter eggs at all

[zealous violet]

However, that being said it would be fun to see some type of crashed plane or other war related items strewn across the island. They just dont need to be from a specific war.

[urban flax]

Not ones that make no sense

[zealous violet]

Literally no one said you can't have easter eggs.

[charred nova]

it would make sense and i do agree feral i would like some war related items across the map however no war would really suit and feel out of pace ww2 is really the only one that could make a bit of sense i.e crashed planes

[tawny crest]

why do you want ww2 ruins? we can just have modern tanks as ruins and it wouldn't hurt the lore

[zealous violet]

Besides that, how would you define what war its from aside from hoping people will recognize say, a downed ww2 aircraft?

[tawny crest]

like that phoenix corp might've brought tanks on the island

[urban flax]

It's a very bad idea to bring tanks in a jungle island though

[zealous violet]

Perhaps this convo should go to isle-lore-theories channel?

[tawny crest]

yes

#isle-lore-theories

[charred nova]

agreed lets continue it there

[tawny crest]

actually

@charred nova

it takes like 1 minute 40 secs to speak

nvm

[zealous violet]

oh good point.

[tawny crest]

and adding things wouldnt make sense

so then add helicopters as ruins then

[zealous violet]

I gotta dip out. Later folks

[tawny crest]

modern helicopters

[charred nova]

issue is and im pretty sure the isle is set during the 1990s to early 2000s so not really crazy modern day vehicles

[tawny crest]

black hawks

[charred nova]

i for sure think helicopters would make sense

maybe a few crashed ones near the merc componds

[tawny crest]

and they are still as cool

and they wont hurt the lore

also the black hawk helicopter was made in like the 1970s and 1980s so it fits the time

[charred nova]

yea i agree on that

but maybe a bit earlier helicopters may be better

like a huey

[tawny crest]

also this helicopter is the pfp of the olympus transmitter

[charred nova]

well then yea i think so

i was just saying a crashed bomber somewhere on the map to add a bit of mystery could be nice to see but i agree on the blackhawk idea but maybe more near the human componds rather than deep in the jungle?

[tawny crest]

it would fit to see the crashed helicopters deep in the jungle since they crashed through the trees

[charred nova]

Yep maybe more often around the deep jungle

[broken thorn]

@blissful onyx please continue with those dossiers, amazing work👌

[blissful onyx]

aw thanks! i am thinking of doing plateo next!

[broken thorn]

Go for it!!

[scarlet nebula]

I agree

Also there is tons of of things to hunt

It would give the stegos and deinos something to be afraid of

[odd sedge]

Rex should honestly be added last

Also I think the devs should put the less popular creatures into the spotlight, like Pachy, Maia, Troodon and Hera and what not before adding the apexes

[scarlet nebula]

I disagree, it would create a lot more attention around the game if the rex would be added, and again it doesnt need to be the rex, just any apex predator. Something bigger than what we are seeing currently

[compact hare]

The thing is

they said they were going for a roster of smaller playables

and the second and third update brought some semi/apexes

which I find really weird, at this point adding or not an apex/semi doesnt matter, the small roster is already "broken"

[ionic arch]

some small heli are confirmed

[worn pumice]

I could care less about what they add at this point

As soon as they added stego it ruined what they were going for

[delicate tulip]

^^bingo

[worn pumice]

Adding a rex probably isn’t a good idea anyways as a playable currently

[delicate tulip]

Can never trust a word that's said as things seemingly change on a dime with these devs, I wouldn't be surprised if hypos came back 6 months down the road

[limber hull]

i mean

[worn pumice]

There’s not much to eat rn

[limber hull]

there's a good counter to megapacking deinos

run away

lmao

[worn pumice]

The only thing would be stego for a decent meal

Which would be bad

Cuz it would mean rex would need to risk its progress everytime it hunts

Teno and carno r too small for rex to give a good amount of food

If para or something of that sort was in it might work

[quiet estuary]

@winter kraken Rules shouldnt be needed to make the game lean towards a more realistic state and it should be done via ingame mechanics. Pack Scent is already an example of something which demotes megapacks/mixpacks but ofc it isnt enough. Diets, nesting, perks, and elder systems will most likely aid in this endevour

But I would also like to add that mixpacking and killing with food around actually is realistic
Some species of animals work together in nature from time to time as a method to get more food. And during times of plenty prey animals do kill more than needed for meals. Nor is spawning killing nessecarily a problem as most animals (except deinosuchus and stegosaurus really) have methods to escape from things spawn killing. But that is more of an issue with those animals juvenile state balance then spawn killers (which is also something that occurs in nature)

[worn pumice]

First of all pls don’t like ur own suggestion

But also like said above

These things should be discouraged through mechanics

Not rules

[azure wadi]

@lament pecan I’ve played BoB and that stupid stress mechanics is one of the things that ruined it for me, no way in hell do I want that crap in TI

[chilly slate]

Megapacking will end when admin commands are added to manage server rules

[lunar nest]

nest incubation failing is just a waste of sitting on a nest for 10 minutes... with eggs already going to be edible by dinos like the tree-climbing herrerasaurus the risk of leaving the nest at all is too much, so it failing just wastes time for everyone

[urban flax]

@lunar nest All playables currently have the same hunger drain, it's temporary

[lunar nest]

oh

really?

i really felt like dryo and utah drained food way faster than deino...

[urban flax]

Devs didn't want to bother balancing a thing that will drasitcally change with the implementation of diets

[lunar nest]

fair enough i guess

[worn pumice]

I rly hope that getting out of an egg has an animation

Pls don’t make it like BoB tho

Where u have to wait like almost 10 minutes sometimes just to leave the egg lol

That is actually aids

[quiet estuary]

In update 3 they changed it, now the playables food and water drain are more varied

[barren zephyr]

the more "make cannibalizing bad and a punishment" suggestions i see, the more I wanna leave this server

[hoary dawn]

I always kill my own

[copper flax]

@barren zephyr play cerato then, it won’t get punished at all.

[vestal rune]

cannibalism shouldn't be punished, it just shouldn't give any positive diet effects unless you're a cerato

[ashen elm]

Sonic why did you downvote your own suggestion lmao

[paper oriole]

He put an up and downvote for people to use

Sometimes people do that on their own suggestions

[ashen elm]

Ahh that makes more sense, though they could've just said please up or downvote 🤔

[swift dew]

@spiral ravine I know this just adds to your argument more, but 6 ton rex is tiny as fuck, accurate rexes can reach 10 tons and ours is probably somewhere between 8-9

[hybrid matrix]

@desert tendon u're not moving at "high speeds" when skimming as a pteranodon

skimming is the second slowest form of flying

[vestal rune]

@hybrid oar game does not need more dinos rn, it needs more mechanics and it needs to get fixed

[hybrid oar]

@vestal rune if you say so

[vestal rune]

ye, most of the balance issues come from performance issues/bugs and missing mechanics

[hybrid oar]

@vestal rune more mechanics yes but you need more playable dinos to keep players engaged

right and the mechanics we are talking about are what?

[vestal rune]

no, more dinosaurs doesn't equal more engagement, it just adds more variety

well for example, collisions, deino fights are clownshoes rn because its collision is awful

[hybrid oar]

weird i fought as a deino had no issues and as a carno against deinos no issue they should be able to step over them

agreed

[hybrid matrix]

and more variety isnt necessarily a good thing

[hybrid oar]

welp the player base is already shrinking again

[vestal rune]

well with the low variety we have rn more variety would be nice, but it's more variety of bad gameplay

[hybrid oar]

and the people i talk to say its because its the same dinos im not talking rexes here but when half the server is a deino lol

[vestal rune]

playerbase is shrinking because evrima is literally broken

[hybrid matrix]

like i said
"necessarily"

[hybrid oar]

@vestal rune what game are you playing i havent had any problems with it yes like logs a full grown carno should be able to step over them

[vestal rune]

you can run through deinos body, and when deinos fight each other they literally merge

this applies to, albiet at a less extreme degree, all the other dinos

[hybrid matrix]

this is how i lost my first fully grown deino
i became one with my opponent and my friends didnt kno who was who

[hybrid oar]

coding limitations only allow for so much collision hitboxes are something tricky its not just a one and done thing but it also has nothing to do with adding more dinos

[vestal rune]

what you said is EXACTLY why they need to focus on collision

also yes it has everything to do with adding more dinos, because of programmers are focusing on adding dinos, they're not adding mechanics

[hybrid oar]

rofl focus on collision? thats something that can be knocked out in a weekend

[hybrid matrix]

ok u're trolling

[vestal rune]

if it could be knocked out in a weekend it would have been done already

[hybrid matrix]

u're definitely trolling

fish dont bother

theyre a troll

[hybrid oar]

i mean a weekend for the collison box on the deino not the entire game

[hybrid matrix]

as a person who understands how ppl normally would speak english, u englished wrong

[vestal rune]

nah doesn't work like that, they have to redo the collision system as a whole

like problem isn't deino collision specifically, it's collision in general, it's just that deino's collision is the most extreme

[hybrid oar]

weird there must be something i am not seeing after playing a lot of hours ill keep looking at it but it feels pretty descent to me minus the log that a full grown carno cant step over

[vestal rune]

walk into another deino as deino, you'll see the issue

[hybrid oar]

i have

[vestal rune]

also that's only one issue, another one is that carno is OP rn because of desync

[hybrid oar]

i had a fun full speed carno fight today i mean the rubber banding yes but as a player i cant determine if thats code or the actual server causing that

regardless though all stuff that can be fixed a long with adding a few more dinos so people keep playing 🙂 dont rush them but dont take years adding them either

[hybrid matrix]

no dino has taken years to add

evrima hasnt even been out for a full year wtf?

[hybrid oar]

rofl really evrima was promised for years

YEARS not months

[vestal rune]

by years you mean 2 years? not even that

and most of the time developing evrima was literally the barest of code-bases

they weren't working on dinosaurs for that time, they were literally building the game from the ground up

[hybrid matrix]

the bare minimum for the plural "years"

[hybrid oar]

2 years from a game standpoint i would have rather them made a new game and paid for it again

[vestal rune]

ye but years makes it sound like we've been waiting since like 2017 for it lmao

[vestal rune]

they literally made a new game?

that's what evrima is

[hybrid matrix]

THEY MADE A NEW GAME AND U GOT IT FOR FREE LMFAOOOO

u wanna pay for evrima when u can just get it for free?

[vestal rune]

also 2 years is really short in game development time

especially for an indie team like the isle

[hybrid oar]

2 years for whats here thats loonnngggggggggggg

[vestal rune]

no it isn't

it's exactly what's expected from a small dev team creating a game that's like nothing on the market

you know triple A studios sometimes take like 9 years to make a game right?

[hybrid matrix]

spore moment

[vestal rune]

was thinking of tf2 lmao, but ye

spore is similar in some ways because it's also a completely new type of game

[hybrid matrix]

spore started development in 2000 and came out in 2009

[hybrid oar]

just because something is different doesnt mean it takes a long time to code lol

[vestal rune]

yes it does, because you don't have existing code to work off of

[hybrid oar]

how many lines do you think the eat and drink code are im going to guess less than 100

[vestal rune]

you have to create everything completely from scratch, whereas if you're making a more common game, like an FPS, you can import a lot of stuff and have previous experience in it

like the isle's movement and combat systems are completely unique

[hybrid oar]

click for action is unique?

[vestal rune]

what?

[jade schooner]

he means the interaction goal

[vestal rune]

oh

well ye that's literally one mechanic, the game has way more than that

[jade schooner]

I mean you, not NvX

[hybrid matrix]

[vestal rune]

also even if the isle was a more common game, it's still made by an indie dev team which always takes a long time to make their games

[hybrid matrix]

it takes 20 lines of code to create an ai to guess how old a person will be in 100 years dumbass

20 lines

TWENTY

[vestal rune]

the isle in general is a really ambitious game, it may not even reach its full potential

[jade schooner]

I doubt it will, ngl

[hybrid matrix]

and its not like the code is easy to write (let alone how many lines u have)

[jade schooner]

But it'll try it's best to get as close

[vestal rune]

also ye I've coded shit in python, even simple things can take a while and a lot of lines

[jade schooner]

Python brings me so many memories of searching where I fucked up the code...

[vestal rune]

lmao ye

[hybrid oar]

great lord no offense but that was dumb rofl

[hybrid matrix]

oh my god im getting ptsd

[hybrid oar]

i could think of multiple ways to write your 100 year code what language #1?

so thats kinda stupid lol

[hybrid matrix]

have u ever in ur life tried to code

[hybrid oar]

i do everyday mainly php and sql stuff anymore

[vestal rune]

you ever made a game?

[hybrid matrix]

beat me to it

[hybrid oar]

i did a lot of muds back in the 80s and 90s

[jade schooner]

Send applications to the punch then? I'm not very knowledgeable in the area, but if you think you can help improve the game, it would be great to have more people, because we do need more coders for the game to have a faster pace in implementing stuff

(I'm not joking btw)

[vestal rune]

nah I don't think NvX has experience in this type of game

[jade schooner]

what do you mean with mud?

[hybrid oar]

MUDs == multi user dungeons

it was text based

[jade schooner]

I mean, if he says he's got the skills, the devs can judge their portfolio

[hybrid matrix]

so DnD?

[vestal rune]

ye MUDs are text-based

[hybrid oar]

pretty much yeah

[jade schooner]

I'm not sure that's very comparable to the isle tho

[hybrid matrix]

isnt DnD mostly scripted (as in dungeons, not decisions)

[vestal rune]

but anyways, 2 years is short in game development times and what they've given us is perfectly expected

it may not seem like much, but you have to keep in mind all the work that goes into the simplest of things

[hybrid oar]

google one and play it youll see it pretty fast

just recommending

[hybrid matrix]

u mean a MUD orrrrr?

[hybrid oar]

a mud they are kinda fun

[hybrid matrix]

no shit

if its like DnD then its probably gonna be fun

[jade schooner]

I agree that it's expected and normal/ok for the time. I mean, many assests were remade, more animations, etc. The issue is people thinking it's just legacy but improve. So most don't realise it's a new game they got for free, by ditching legacy to gather dust eventually. And we can't have a "complete" game built on top of legacy

[hybrid matrix]

imagine how much space that would take up
i'd have to delete tons of files

[hybrid oar]

im just saying i dont want to see the game die and right now the only dinos we have for the client server we have now its good enough to add a few more spaced out for balance reasons within a more realistic time frame to give players more to do

but dont space them out 2 months at a time some of the data from legacy has to still be relevant

[vestal rune]

no, adding more dinos won't give players more to do

also none of legacy's code is relevant anymore

[hybrid oar]

sigh

yes it is

[vestal rune]

no it isn't

[jade schooner]

it won't die, I do not think so at least. But it is a sad truth that development has been slow

[icy lion]

it really isnt

[vestal rune]

it's completely scrapped

[icy lion]

the only things that have been ported from legacy are some models, some animations, and some sounds

0 code

[hybrid oar]

rofl if you dont think ctrl+c ctrl+v happened for initial damage numbers your on something

[vestal rune]

evrima and legacy are COMPLETELY separate, porting code from legacy would take way too much time and effort and would ruin the whole point of remaking the game in the first place

initial damage numbers?

[icy lion]

i see you dont have experience with initial evrima balance, then

because even on release utah had completely different stats

[vestal rune]

you know evrima uses a completely different damage system than legacy right?

[jade schooner]

And those files are from other programs (being 3dsmax, zbrush or whatever else there is). So not Legacy unreal code

[vestal rune]

plus stats aren't code

[hybrid oar]

models is a different battle

[jade schooner]

That's not code, but parameters tho

[hybrid oar]

but saying the eat and drink stuff is different 100% there is only so many ways to write it be realistic

[icy lion]

it is

[hybrid oar]

ok

[vestal rune]

the eat and drink stuff is different 100%

[icy lion]

nothing from legacy, code wise, was reused

[vestal rune]

and you can't copy and paste code from legacy into evrima because evrima works differently

[hybrid oar]

bout to fire IDA up and put this to bed

rofl

wow

okay

[safe galleon]

reusing old code would be worse than writing new and usable code

[hybrid oar]

anyway back to the orig topic

[jade schooner]

Like you say, there are only so many ways to write it. But it depends on how they're building the pathways for code to work balanced through the other interactions

Could be different completely or same from legacy for all we know

[safe galleon]

new creatures are fun

mechanics are necessary

[jade schooner]

Yes

[hybrid oar]

mechanics will be good

[jade schooner]

I wonder how fractures will be applied and their effect

[vestal rune]

well, more dinos just add more variety in playing the game, but if the game itself is shit, then that variety is more ways of playing a shit game. The game rn is shit, and that can only be fixed with mechanics

[jade schooner]

What worries me the most is diet because I'm not so sure how they'll make it

[hybrid oar]

i dont think the game is shit at all

[icy lion]

punch mentioned fractures are locational which i bet will be fun

[vestal rune]

it is

[hybrid oar]

i have been having a blast with it

[vestal rune]

oh ye you can absolutely have fun with it, but the game is shit

[hybrid oar]

how is it shit?

[vestal rune]

it has majour technical and gameplay issues

[hybrid matrix]

it can be fun to play, but that doesnt mean its not shit
take legacy for example

[honest sparrow]

playing legacy is like watching a bad movie with friends imo

pretty fun but painful

[hybrid oar]

i mean you have unrealistic model expectations, you want the models to collide in a way that would take so much cpu to process you wouldnt have a playable game so you have to pick the lesser of two evils

blame tech for that it can be fixed to be more descent but there is no way to do some of what i think you are suggesting

if thats shit blame tech

[vestal rune]

bro collision is actually a small issue in the grand scheme of things

[hybrid oar]

no

[vestal rune]

it was just an example

[hybrid oar]

collision is not a small thing

[vestal rune]

one of the biggest issues rn is desync, the server doesn't register where you are properly, so you can get hit from meters away

[hybrid oar]

thats one of the bigger things to code

[vestal rune]

I meant it's affect on gameplay

[hybrid oar]

and cpu will only allow for so much before it just flips the hell out and not to mention syncing with a server

desync like i said that could be total 100% server i dont know i cant tell it seems server because the way the rubberband loops

[vestal rune]

nah this is a general gameplay issue

[hybrid matrix]

so be smart and play with shit graphics on a $2,000 computer

[vestal rune]

it's been an issue since the beggining of evrima and is present on every server

[worn pumice]

Just becuz u have fun with something doesn’t mean it’s good

Sounds weird but it’s true

[vestal rune]

ye that is true

[hybrid oar]

the game is in a good place honestly i didnt think it could be this good

[vestal rune]

the isle is a perfect example