general-feedback-discussion

[barren zephyr]

Well I've said that it was my qinion qlently of times

[crude girder]

For example, Goku's 2M in DBFZ has bad feel, that's objective and can be demonstrated

[calm ether]

Carno feels good for some time and in certain circumstances, otherwise is a too simple gameplay

[crude girder]

so I would generally stray away from wording it that way, as it implies a direct design flaw with the animal

[calm ether]

@crude girder lmao

[crude girder]

Like clearly if Teno is so bad feeling to you there must be something about it that is wrong or bad

[calm ether]

We turned this in a philosophy debate

[crude girder]

which so far you haven't demonstrated, so it'll remain feeling bad unless there was something that could be fixed

[rare vine]

@carmine cargo ever head of a funny trick called alt-bite?

[chrome remnant]

@barren zephyr "opting into unfinished game" The games been in early access since what 2015? 6 years? It isn't a mmorpg and shouldn't take that long to develop it to the point its at now, I get that it had a entire project rewrite but the progress is pretty sluggish for a alright size development team, its never gonna leave early access nor will it ever be finished. Its all false hope and promises.

[worn pumice]

It rly isn’t a big team at all

It’s pretty small

Very small honestly

Also with the way things r going atm

It just might finish

[feral solstice]

^

Early access is just a tag

It really means nothing to me as long as I can have fun

[worn pumice]

Lmao left turn simulator

He’s not wrong tho

[hoary dawn]

that latest suggestion is progression but bad

[summer meteor]

Ah well, I was just wandering over experiences from old Legacy, where population on servers was mostly carni, but with last few hours I played on EVRIMA, it slowly happening here too.

Don't judge that people heavily dislike this (and its true, some people can do it by AFKing through, or some can be unable to do at all since elders should be hardest challenge... yes, lot of things can be exploited in lot of ways; some players can quit-rage, and then they can rage here too... yea...). But here is also lot of achiv hunters who can enjoy this challenge. But it was tied mainly to player distribution across the dinosaurs (and playable characters in future, but now mostly dinosaurs). Maybe DEVs will have a more hard solution for this. x)

[tall oasis]

imagine if some came up with a suggestion to get rid of carnivore mix-packing entirely, without it being like "make it so when ur near a dino thats not ur specias, u should get debuffsss "

[rare vine]

what if you want to fight

[cyan flame]

Pretty sure there are some suggestions like that Sadness, diets and affinity of some sort and stuff like that.

And Vixei, part of the point of survival mode was so that you could play what you wanted from the start, without having to go through a bunch of critters you may not enjoy. So that sort of unlock system would go against that game mode. Distribution of players can most likely not be solved like that, the best way would be to make map and AI and all good, so there can still be a proper ecosystem no matter what the players do.

[barren zephyr]

Trust me I get you if you look back early enough I've even had arguments with the devs themselves saying the exact same things but I'm talking about people playing Evrima complaining about features of the game or lack thereof. They are restarting the game from scratch with Evrima and if there was ever a time to give them a second chance on doing things right it should be now, especially considering the quality that it's at right now. The development taking a long time is one thing but complaining about the game now when there's only been 3 updates thus far is u reasonable. Not to mention they've made changes to their roadmap in an attempt to speed up the release of more meaningful content so that Evrima doesn't end up like the left turn simulator I mentioned earlier...

[summer meteor]

True, can't argue with that!
I completely forgot on AI. ;-; Its maybe they are almost non-existent in actual version. XDD Also, depend if all species will be avaible as AI, or only some of them.

[brave nova]

just say diets enough times, that should do it

[tall oasis]

true

[cyan flame]

@summer meteorI don't know, but there is at least utah, tenno, rex, and stego ai planned + the dryo we have. So it's a start.

[summer meteor]

XD Well, I was able found ONE dryo in whole week (as uta). Those tiny green gremlins just crouch and turn silent.

[barren zephyr]

You're not looking in the right areas if you can't find ai. They're literally scattered all over the place. Listen out for them

[cyan flame]

Hah. True, as of right now dryo ai seems scarce. If there were more of them, it might help make the world feel more alive and more balanced.

[summer meteor]

They are way to silent, honestly. ;-; I wish they was a louder. But i think someone suggest them to have lifespan, and then turn into the smelly body, which is even better idea. XD

[barren zephyr]

I catch 3-5 dryo ai a session as Utah and that's when I'm not eating players

[summer meteor]

Or, at least, the AI critters. 🤷 Like frogs, dragonflies, turtles, small lizard or flock of birds in forest (or parrots!). As herbies dont die thanks to grass, i think carnis deserve same access to food-of-the-last-chance. XD

[odd sedge]

@queen mortar
Growth times on humans?
How?
You want humans to nest and have infants in the game, growing them through puberty until they are 100% growth?

Give birth*
Lizard brain forgot that humans don't lay eggs

[summer meteor]

(i was think exactly... XD They will have a crafting to develop i think?)

[barren zephyr]

You guys I realize you're sticking to this "there isn't enough ai" but trust me you're not hunting them correctly.

[queen mortar]

yeah

[summer meteor]

Well, you are lucky, but if I know where the certain Ai can be, I will avoid that place, becouse same thought will be have 10 other players. XD

[vestal rune]

smeasel turned into class?

[cyan flame]

That may be true, but from all the feedback I've seen, either it's very hard to hunt them, or you've just been lucky. I don't know, I play stego and I don't want dryos around me in the first place :p

[summer meteor]

(I MEAN, those places like near the spawn for players and rivers)

[paper oriole]

human gowth

[summer meteor]

Lot of players using also spawn points for AI as a bait for killing players. 🤷

[barren zephyr]

I hunt ai on the regular I never run into other players also hunting the same one

[summer meteor]

It happeing me a lot. I said: you - are - lucky. XD

[barren zephyr]

I'm lucky ALL the time? More like you - don't- look - good - enough. Lol

[queen mortar]

who's class?

[paper oriole]

some guy who wants human pregnancy and growth

and wants human kids taming dinosaurs

something about "incubation in the womb gameplay" to quote him directly

[urban flax]

Oh I remember that

And I regret it

[paper oriole]

i regretted staying up late when he posted the suggestion

[vestal rune]

someone who is absolutely insane, it's like a worse dio

read what miragia said

[paper oriole]

he also said we were discriminating against mammals for not wanting human juveniles in game

[worn pumice]

what in the

[brave nova]

it's a game about dinosaurs, no mammals needed

[paper oriole]

well don't be tellin me that i wasn't advocating for mammals lol

[patent garden]

anyone know what's planned for mercs / tribals? i thought they were gonna spawn in as adults but with shit weps and then be able to progress not thru growth but thru getting better weps

[vestal rune]

ye mercs work by advancing through equipment

[patent garden]

so basically, not time then

[vestal rune]

it seems like tribals will advance through replicating themselves to become stronger, however this isn't confirmed

[patent garden]

t h r o u g h w h a t

[vestal rune]

I mean technically it is time as it will take time to find equipment, but ye it's not literally time-based

[vestal rune]

basically think of the elder system, they sacrifice themselves to get stronger

[barren zephyr]

A: You realize a human baby surviving in a world of dinosaurs is highly unrealistic

B: there mercs, not pedestrians

[vestal rune]

however this isn't confirmed, it's just speculation based on lore

[patent garden]

huh interesting

[patent garden]

...?

[barren zephyr]

Yeah

Do you not understand what I said

If humans had growth they would be unplayable or incredibly broken off reality

[patent garden]

yeh i know that, that's why i asked what's planned. someone in #general-feedback said human growth should be 1 hr (obviously just cheesing) but it made me wonder what system they'll have

[barren zephyr]

Ok just checking lol

[brave nova]

any sort of human surviving in a world of dinosaurs is highly unrealistic

[urban flax]

I'm 99% sure humans won't get any form of growth

[barren zephyr]

Human growth is like the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard

[urban flax]

Actually it isn't that unlikely

[patent garden]

if there werent any buildings then yeah even the mercs would be fucked

but since human buildings are planned it'll be fine

[brave nova]

Well I haven't seen any dinosaurs lately, at least

[barren zephyr]

What would a baby human do, crawl around on the jungle floor as a baby Quetz pecks it to death

[brave nova]

yes

[urban flax]

Ah you mean unrealistic in the way that there is a time gap
I could answer that we do survive in a world full of dinosaurs but that's nitpicking

[barren zephyr]

Also The Isle might be banned in China because skulls

[cyan flame]

I really hope that's still a thing. First you throw enough shit into the replicator to make it happy with you, then in you go yourself, only to get shat back out as an improved version.

[patent garden]

i was thinking more like cool magic ritual shit

since mercs will be technology, tribals will be tradition

[urban flax]

Now that's a good way of getting rid of "toxic chinese players" as some people call them
Make it so the game gets censored in China

[barren zephyr]

Lol

[urban flax]

Oh no
Haast eagle suggestions have returned

[barren zephyr]

L

[patent garden]

why do people keep suggesting shit dinos that are nearly identical to the ones either planned or already in-game

[modest goblet]

They should add Godzilla. i think he would be super balanced and very fun

[patent garden]

literally saw a suggestion for a half dibble half trike dino a lil while ago

like wow...... really adds a unique niche.......

[barren zephyr]

Another day, another haast suggestion

[urban flax]

People just suggest random dinos because they don't appear often in videogames and sometimes have cool names

[patent garden]

yep

[barren zephyr]

Devs have already stated that if they don’t have a model for it, or have not already confirmed it, and it’s not the CC or small flyer. No other Dino’s will be added

Nothing else is being added that we don’t know of

[patent garden]

CC?

[barren zephyr]

Community Dino

[urban flax]

Haast is the community dino

[barren zephyr]

Wait what did I say cc

[worn pumice]

wait

[barren zephyr]

No it’s not

[worn pumice]

did they like their own suggestion?

[urban flax]

Face the truth

[worn pumice]

[barren zephyr]

It’s pela clearly

[urban flax]

Even though it hurts

[feral solstice]

Presto community Dino

[urban flax]

It's not even a dino

[feral solstice]

Whatever it is

Still

Community Dino presto

[urban flax]

Kinda useless tbh

[feral solstice]

Not really. We already discussed what presto would be

Diets would help aswell

[urban flax]

It's too big to hide, too small to fight and too slow to run

[modest goblet]

Wheres my Mosasaurus?!

[barren zephyr]

I’m between presto, and deinocheirus

[worn pumice]

deino would be cool

[urban flax]

But we already have deino

[worn pumice]

a large semi aquatic herbivore

or omni

idk

[patent garden]

what's presto?

[worn pumice]

prestosuchus

this dude

[patent garden]

just looks like a deino that got left in the egg for too long

[urban flax]

Actually it might not even look like that because we have practically no remains of it

[patent garden]

f

[worn pumice]

[silver zephyr]

so...

[patent garden]

why not suggest coastal aquatic dinos instead....

like do we need more shit in the water

with beips and suchos and spinos and deinos

??

[urban flax]

This is a reconstruction
Like every dino skeleton you see in museums

[patent garden]

how much water do you guys think there'll be?

freshwater*

[silver zephyr]

[patent garden]

he's got a point tho

[silver zephyr]

idk, hopefully we get some actual lakes and ponds though

[patent garden]

im just saying there won't be a lack of freshwater dinos

[urban flax]

Maybe you've already seen a spino skeleton in a museum
Yet you probably know the remains of it we have are very scarce, we don't have one single complete skeleton

[worn pumice]

every museum doesnt actually have all the bones

u know that right?

[patent garden]

it'd be more interesting to suggest something to fill the coastal waters niche

[worn pumice]

pls tell me u know that

[silver zephyr]

no duh

[worn pumice]

ight

[silver zephyr]

which dino are you talking about presto or cheirus?

[patent garden]

arent they both freshwater?

i havent seen the cheirus

[silver zephyr]

no, presto is terrestrial

lemme get a cheirus image

[vestal rune]

I mean, irl aren't both dinos terrestrial lmoa

[silver zephyr]

I mean yeah I guess

[vestal rune]

most people want cherius to be semi-aquatic though

[urban flax]

Honestly they could fictionalize cheirus to be a beach dino

[patent garden]

hm, discount camel

[urban flax]

I think it's pretty confirmed that cheirus lived in swamps tho

[patent garden]

yeah if presto's gonna be terrestial i think it'd look cooler

depends on how they'd model cheirus tho ig

all the images on google make it look like a stupid ass duck-camel crossover

[urban flax]

I hope they'll never model presto in-game

[patent garden]

oh woops sorry had a stroke

cheirus is the ugly ass one

where would presto live? plains?

[urban flax]

It'sz not that ugly

[silver zephyr]

from what I've seen most want it to kinda behave like a tiger so jungles

[patent garden]

hm

both are carnivores?

[urban flax]

Presto has the same problem that megalania, which makes me wonder why they decided to add megalania in the first place
It's less viable than magyarosaurus

[silver zephyr]

cheirus is an omni and presto is a carni

[patent garden]

hm

[silver zephyr]

presto is literally carni teno, its wouldnt be slow

[warm flame]

leopard presto

[patent garden]

actually i changed my mind. presto's better looking but we dont need more lame ass ambush predators in the game

omni would be more interesting to play, especially in a swamp

[urban flax]

It really doens't look like it's build for running
At all

[warm flame]

hides in a tree and waits for prey, then jumps down risking breaking every bone in its body

[silver zephyr]

why is this convo even in feedback discussion lul

[patent garden]

i've said this before but i'll reiterate: for the horror aspect of the game, id rather have the absolute fear and dread of being hunted / tracked KNOWINGLY for 20 minutes before being taken down, than be jumpscared for 5 seconds. jumpscares are genuinely the shittiest and cheapest form of horror, it'd be like putting an unironic laugh track over a funny game

[urban flax]

yes

[patent garden]

also it's in feedback because so many people are suggesting useless dinos that dont add anything

[warm flame]

shrubbery cliffs

[compact hare]

A lot of thr suggeted dinos can be fit in another already planned
as a skin, example.

We have like 50+ planned "dinos" ye ?

[warm flame]

carchar as giga/acro skin when

[paper oriole]

no punk mercs with pink spiky hair and 50 piercings please

imo they should generally have some form of uniformness like being fit. height, skin tone, and normal hair for f/m seems good enough

[blissful onyx]

i didnt say anything about punk mercs

[paper oriole]

well as long as that and obese mercs arent a thing it's gucci

[blissful onyx]

ok?

[hasty dagger]

aRe YoU bEiNg FaTpHoBiC

[paper oriole]

Actually we should allow fat mercs so the fit ones can run away from the dinos easier while they're distracted

[hasty dagger]

[paper oriole]

Just like the movies

[hasty dagger]

Trip your friend and run like hell

[paper oriole]

Always have a fat merc in your squad to act as a distracto snack

Add ‘kick in the shins’ mechanic for mercs

Just realized these are apparently dudes lol

[vestal rune]

every merc should be excessively muscular, even females, this should not be customisable

[silver zephyr]

agreed

[paper oriole]

Yeah no squishies

[blissful onyx]

i wanted to avoid making them too "gears of war" cause i remember hearing about how alot of guys wish they had protags that were more relatable

[paper oriole]

They should all be ripped as fuck

[blissful onyx]

so i just made them look more realistic

[paper oriole]

Relatable protags arent really what it should be about here

[silver zephyr]

was gears of war like specific characters or customizable ones?

[vestal rune]

hmmm, idk if there's the place for that sort of relatablness in this game, you're not really part of a story or anything

[paper oriole]

It should be protags who make sense to be on an island infested with dinosaurs ready to fight for your life

[sly ibex]

^^^^

[blissful onyx]

i just used that as an example cause its famous for its stylization

[vestal rune]

overall I agree with your suggestion, but there should be some things that mostly stay the same(i.e the overly fit part)

[paper oriole]

Not people who look like theyre in community college

[vestal rune]

also I think all the mercs should have a grizzly appearance, like they're battle-hardened

[silver zephyr]

ah, well the relatability depends on if you can customize them yourself or they're set in stone characters

[blissful onyx]

the appreances of the mers arnt the suggestion they are just examples

[vestal rune]

ye ik, I'm just giving my opinion on how it should be done

[blissful onyx]

the mercs are planned to have some level of customization i beleive they are going with selectable heads, thats why i used them in the example

[paper oriole]

They should have a skin tone scale, m/f, and some hair options, maybe height between 5’5”-6’5”

[vestal rune]

ye they seem to have some sort of customisation, although I swear dondi said you'd be selecting from pre-selected parts rather than something like ark where you modify individua lfeatures

[vestal rune]

shouldn't vary that much, players would just always choose the smallest option, at most it should be like 6'1-6'3

[paper oriole]

True, if a height scale is added even

[blissful onyx]

height options are so rare in video games i dont think its needed

i think removing the locked off options is way simpler

[vestal rune]

I reckon height should maybe be randomised, but ye it's kinda uncessary

[paper oriole]

Skin tone and basic hair, a few faces each for m/f is enough

Nothin wild

[blissful onyx]

i think limiting selection to m/f is kinda pointless. its easier to just not have it open anyway

[vestal rune]

as for the whole pronouns thing, it doesn't really seem like gender will be coded into the game(i.e no ingame dialogue where you're referred to as your pronouns), ofc we don't know if this'll be the case or not but with the way it's talked about it doesn't seem likely

[blissful onyx]

yeah i was thinking it would just appear on the character menu. she/her (female symbol), they/them (question mark), he him (male symbol)

[paper oriole]

Probably no hair that looks like they say in front of a mirror for 40 minutes with an iron and hairspray for either lol

[vestal rune]

hmmm I guess

[blissful onyx]

like i said the heads i drew are just examples

[paper oriole]

Honestly just do the basics and if somebody want to rp they can just tel their squad they havw no gender or whatever they/them means

Not that gender should even matter in this game

[blissful onyx]

seems like its easier to just have it as an option no one wants to annouce their gender

[vestal rune]

ye, you can just ride off the whole m/f thing as it being specifically biological sex, not gender

[paper oriole]

This is a game about dinosaurs eating dinosaurs and people shooting the dinosaurs while getting eaten and some weird biomutants sprinkled in

Gender doesnt matter and shouldnt go into detail

[blissful onyx]

yeah and their is character customization too. so it doesnt hurt anyone to make it more open

[blissful onyx]

if your dino is green or blue doesnt matter either really so why would they add skin customization?

[paper oriole]

Lmao thats different entirely

Skin customization actually can affect your gameplay

[blissful onyx]

okay

how about brown, and green then

[paper oriole]

So it matters unlike identity

[blissful onyx]

why can i change my under belly color

[paper oriole]

Because it still shows

[blissful onyx]

in humans identity is still important

[vestal rune]

I mean, those are visual differences, gender really wouldn't be noticable in this game

[paper oriole]

Can’t compare camouflage colours to what a human has under their clothes

[blissful onyx]

the mercs wouldnt be customizable if identity wasnt something the devs were considering

[paper oriole]

Some variation in appearance makes the game look better

[vestal rune]

keep in mind you're not really building a character here, just adjusting how you look ingame

[blissful onyx]

kinda part of the point, doesnt matter if you have a lady looking face with a guy body and a question mark on ur profile

[paper oriole]

If every merc was a clone it would look stupid, that is a reason for some customization

Some

No more than necessary

[worn pumice]

this might sound weird but juvi mercs

[paper oriole]

Lmao yes

[vestal rune]

it sounds normal at this point because people keep saying it

[worn pumice]

lol

[paper oriole]

5yr olds in the isle with tommy guns

[worn pumice]

bro i wanna see a small child merc holding an rpg

[vestal rune]

the juvies have the exact same stats as the adults, they're just smaller lmao

[brave nova]

midget mercs that slowly grow taller, to avoid the censors

[sonic mural]

@wraith dagger fr tho I hate not being able to see shit then walking off of a cliff and dying to it

[blissful onyx]

it doesnt hurt to simply not make character options exclusive to one sex

[silver zephyr]

there should be a mode where growth is reversed

[vestal rune]

I mean it may be a nice extra feature, but ultimately it wouldn't really add much to the game

like I won't be bothered if it isn't included

[blissful onyx]

its not hard to do and itll give more visual options to everyone

well you misunderstand

its not something to add its something you dont put in

you have to code to have things split up like that

[vestal rune]

well making the various body parts be modular would probably take some work

[blissful onyx]

they are already doing that

[worn pumice]

i cant wait to grow my merc

lol

[brave nova]

well if the female mercs have massive tits they have to make different models for all the apparel. Worth it though.

[worn pumice]

[blissful onyx]

i doubt theyll stylize women like that

[worn pumice]

lets not do that

[icy lion]

[worn pumice]

i dont want double D's walking around cuz of weird customization options

[vestal rune]

I mean, dondi talked about dong sliders sooooo

[blissful onyx]

sounds like a joke to me

[sonic mural]

Oh lord have mercy

[vestal rune]

it probably was lmao

[worn pumice]

whats the point tho

[paper oriole]

Oh no dongdi sliders in the isle

[vestal rune]

but conan exiles did it so you never know

[blissful onyx]

lmao

[brave nova]

I wouldn't be opposed to going full Conan Exiles tbh

[worn pumice]

no reason to have a 4 incher compared to an 8 incher if ur just gonna shoot at dinos

[icy lion]

lets keep it sfw

[vestal rune]

fair

[barren zephyr]

It adds 1 extra food per inch

[worn pumice]

this whole convo is nsfw so just gonna leave lol

[paper oriole]

They should just leave it at 2 preset bodies m/f with some face options, a skin tone slider and hair and maybe eye colour. If people wanna mod in all the extra identity shit and child soldiers they can do that

[worn pumice]

what about tribals

guessing keeping it pretty similar?

[brave nova]

they're barely humanoid to begin with

[paper oriole]

Probably, maybe some warpaint options too

[worn pumice]

their not even human

[blissful onyx]

i dont think cannibals will get stuff like that?

[worn pumice]

their like orcs basically

[icy lion]

i dont think we know how much customization cannibals will get

[vestal rune]

honestly tribals shouldn't even have gender, they should just be orc

[icy lion]

i remember seeing a clip with skin tones tho

[paper oriole]

Warpaint, skin tone if they vary, hair/fur if they have it

[vestal rune]

ye there was a clip with different skin tones dondi showed

[worn pumice]

also are cannibals actual things coming to the game or is it just tribals now?

[icy lion]

cannibals and tribals are the same thing

[worn pumice]

ok

[brave nova]

same thing I think

[vestal rune]

if you're referring to the eyeless things, ye, but they're no longer called cannibals

[icy lion]

but the eyeless things are still planned i believe

[paper oriole]

Maybe 2 preset bodies for bulky muscular and lean

[worn pumice]

ye i was thinking of the eyeless things

it was called cannibals b4 so

[vestal rune]

ye I still call them cannibals

[blissful onyx]

i think they still are called cannibals right?

[worn pumice]

this thing

[vestal rune]

nah

it was just a temporary name

[sonic mural]

[blissful onyx]

oh i see

[worn pumice]

hyper tribal?

[vestal rune]

since the real name gave lore spoilers

[vestal rune]

if it is a strain tribal, it'd be neuro

but I don't think it's a strain tribal

[worn pumice]

just a thought

since it was called cannibal

[brave nova]

I mean if they eat people it's hardly cannibalism, is it?

[worn pumice]

and cannibals r now tribals

[vestal rune]

ye dondi just called them to misdirect us into thinking that you'd become a "cannibal" by eating other tribals as a tribal

[worn pumice]

ah

[vestal rune]

this isn't true, and the real name give spoilers on how you'll actually do it

that's why dondi can't give it to us, the bastard

[blissful onyx]

in any case im excited to see them when they come out

[sonic mural]

@onyx scaffold carno is a ambush predator it shouldn’t give away its cover by making louder noises while charging the best u can do is keep checking what’s around u and hear it’s footsteps

[little nexus]

Same with idle sounds, I’m hiding in a bush below my attacker and I’m unable to keep quiet 😂

[quasi vine]

it has speed to run down the dinos its hunting

[onyx scaffold]

its not a ambush predator

[sonic mural]

[onyx scaffold]

its meant to run down things smaller than it in open areas

[sonic mural]

Well in that case nvm

[sonic mural]

U should start crouching since it doesn’t make noise at all and u can run off if it sees u

[blissful onyx]

i use crouch alot for hiding

i think for dryo you dont make scent when you crouch but i am unsure

[sonic mural]

That’d be pretty cool for dryo if it’s not already a thing

[blissful onyx]

yeah i heard it ages so but i havnt really tested it, so its like rumor level info

[limber hull]

im all for choosing your appearance as mercs, but why would you choose your pronouns? Unlike dinos, gender makes zero difference to merc gameplay as they don't breed. People can simply just conform to the gender they conform to irl, why add a gender option in-game when there doesn't need to be one?

[safe galleon]

Cause males and females look different

[limber hull]

so just choose a head, male or female

[safe galleon]

It’s like changing your dino skin

[brave nova]

crouch

[limber hull]

throw out the pronoun part and simply give them a choice of bodytype and facial appearance

because having this random info that won't affect gameplay seems silly to me

[barren zephyr]

I can kind of agree with Wave actuallh

Actually *

[safe galleon]

People like playing characters they can relate to

[limber hull]

so choose an appearance you can relate to

you don't need the pronouns. They're useless fluff, especially since people already have their irl gender identities

[safe galleon]

It’s literally like 5 letters that gives more information

No reason not to add it

Gives more personality

[limber hull]

would your identity be given to other players?

if so, how and why?

[brave nova]

While I agree gender for mercs doesn't matter, it's something a lot of people want to choose. I remember when picking a gender was the new hot thing in games, now it's almost a requirement lol.

[safe galleon]

It be really weird if humans were the only playable that wouldn’t get to choose between male or female

[limber hull]

i think gender should not be a factor. Allow players to choose their facial and body type and leave gender out of the question. If you want a female head on a male body who the fuck cares, go for it.

[limber hull]

humans are the only creature that identify as anything else lmao

[brave nova]

it has zero impact on gameplay for humans though

[safe galleon]

Yes but it’s small detail that literally every playable has

[paper oriole]

don't think anybody can complain about being able to pick from a male preset body and a female preset body, it's basic stuff

[brave nova]

every other playable can breed

[limber hull]

i would say that if tribals were added, they should not have identities beyond male and female, because they would likely not really care about such things and would be more focused on pure survival than gender politics

[paper oriole]

no need for extra development work to be put into interchanging male and female parts that would be completely unnecessary, and that's also correct identity politics always ends up being an issue when it's even touched on

if a merc player is playing with friends who care about that mundane issue that has nothing to do with the game they can claim to be what ever gender they want, but a male and female preset body is as far as they need to go

[brave nova]

Just slap on full body armor and helmets for mercs and let players believe what they want about what's underneath.

[vestal flame]

gender separation can be annoying when some cosmetic option like hair for example is arbitrarily limited

[barren zephyr]

I see you have made an attempt to steal my identity @cedar pulsar

[blissful onyx]

thats kinda one of the ideas behind it

[paper oriole]

well both merc genders should just have a handful of normal hair options that arent over the top, maybe some neutral hairstyles like loose hair

[icy lion]

i dont see why hair should be restricted at all

theres obviously not going to be anything fancy so why bother separating them

[blissful onyx]

it seems like it'd be easier to just not code in "this for one group and this for the other"

[paper oriole]

fair enough, i mean i doubt mercs will have anything past like bald, short hair, long hair, simple ponytail

maybe some facial hair for the dudes but past that not really restricted

[blissful onyx]

well from what we know right now all thats gonna be customizable is just different heads

so its just yunno a matter of mix and matching heads and bodies

[vestal flame]

yeah tbh under their armor you probably wouldnt be able to see body features that well anyways

[blissful onyx]

that to so itd be really simple to put in

[limber hull]

i have to agree there. Even then, just go the spartan path and never take off their helmets and armour

[hasty dagger]

All I have to contribute is, Dondi merc skin pls

[paper oriole]

yes this is a necessity

dondimerc or riot

[hasty dagger]

[sonic mural]

[cedar pulsar]

There can only be one cipher

[paper oriole]

archaeopteryx is so fucking puny he would be completely useless in the food chain, what would he even eat? what would bother hunting him?

[barren zephyr]

I've got some children I need to make into corpses.

[sonic mural]

How the hell do u even pronounce its name😂

[paper oriole]

ark-ay-opterix i think

[icy lion]

ar-kee-op-tur-ix

[sonic mural]

Thx

[paper oriole]

even a compy would rock his shit lmao

[brave nova]

@sonic mural I was playing with a big herbi pack today, with several grown stegos and tenos. At one point a carno out of nowhere runs straight through the herd and yoinks one of the juvie tenos without anyone noticing he was there before he was leaving. It is one of the greatest things I've seen in the isle, why would you take it away?

[sonic mural]

Good point

[paper oriole]

if they added an arboreal glider, instead of the tiny fries like Archaeopteryx or Microraptor something like Changyuraptor or Shanag would be better suited

[sonic mural]

@short crow skins that u have to unlock would be annoying some ppl just want to customize whatever there playing as

[short crow]

It could just be a bonus cosmetic option on top of the basic skins they'd be adding in.

[leaden cargo]

@inner hound that's really well put together, and i would love for biomes like those to be in the map. Mangroves would be so good for semi-acuatics.

[inner hound]

yayy ty

i hope the images can be opend to its full size lol

[leaden cargo]

I couldn't do it, but I think they look clear enough. o.o

[inner hound]

frick

[quiet estuary]

@short crow while i completely agree that unlockable skins should be a thing, I feel like adding them via kill x amount of animals seems like the incorrect way to grow as people would just farm them on free grow servers or with friends. I think a much better solution would be having it via ingame systems like surviving as elder as an animal a couple times or maybe getting the fastest grow possible via the diet system.

[sonic mural]

@sand scroll as long as it’s babies that are in ur group I’m fine with it

[feral wedge]

@inner hound That's a pretty decent map suggestion.
My recommendation for adjustments would be toning down the very very tiny or complex AI prey items that you've listed there and try to keep it to a few good hallmark things of a worthwhile size.
I think your best prey item suggestions are snapper, sea turtles, rays, I'd replace horseshoe crabs with just larger ocean crabs instead of beach ones, iguanas, and anthills/termite mounds. Scorpions are a bit tiny so maybe an offshoot of one of the larger wandering spiders would be a sizable replacement?
You could also change some of your use for succulents to be a general requirement for some things you'd want to push into the arid climes by making those your water replenishment instead of relying 100% on standing water.

I've actually wanted some big Skull Island mangroves for a long long time.

[inner hound]

Oh yeah thats fair. I went for typical animals found in the areas, but didnt think about their sizes too much tbf, as we do have quite a bunch of smalls who could technically thrive off from them. But for sure having large enough AI is also important. I'll look into that.

For the succulents, thats also a neat idea, that I'll can point out in the Doc.

[turbid mauve]

<@&401466542140817419> Why was my suggestion deleted?

[feral wedge]

@turbid mauve #moderation

[inner hound]

While the Skull Island mangroves look good. I feel the more 'threatening or scary' theme could work with Swamps more, instead of Mangroves. Just a personal taste i feel

[feral wedge]

I very much enjoy the breadth of interactive plants you selected.

And that's true.

Could be transitional?

Nice beachy mangroves slowly seep into the doom-swamp mangroves?

I like both

[inner hound]

oh yea

thatd be actually dope

[feral wedge]

But for TI I enjoy less of the vacation island vibe. Lol

[turbid mauve]

You are taking what I said out of context. I was just stating that skinny dinosaurs should receive debuffs.

[feral wedge]

Your phrasing was your phrasing. Construct your suggestion in a more appropriate way and it should be fine.

Though you would also have to reason as to what is considered a "skinny" dinosaur, because starving is already courting death on its own. Further detriments for not being successful just worsen the punishment unnecessarily.

You shouldn't be guaranteed death once you stoop below a hunger level.

[turbid mauve]

If you look skinny and lose weight, that should reflect one's damage potential. Hence, strength and even mobility.

[feral wedge]

Think about the entirety of the repercussions when constructing a potential change that would be so wide-spread in effect on gameplay and the environment of the game.

How would one lose weight or become skinny in the first place?

[turbid mauve]

By not eating what is due. Perhaps, below 20% hunger.

[inner hound]

isnt malnurishment already a thing

[feral wedge]

Disease? Poison? Continually not eating or remaining at low hunger for long periods of time? Why punish someone if it's not on purpose? Sure they'll seek out easier prey, sure, but that also narrows down availability for what you may or may not find.

[inner hound]

by basically taking damage over time

[feral wedge]

Is it?

I'm not sure.

[inner hound]

idk ive always seen that as starving or uhh lack of water

[feral wedge]

I'm just trying to offer up a better way of thinking about a suggestion of that nature.

[wheat igloo]

they already become/look skinny in-game

[feral wedge]

Oh well, yes.

Starvation/dehydration.

[arctic nimbus]

Receiving debuffs would make it hard to survive starvation.

[feral wedge]

And that may be true but you're not actually losing weight or stats or anything. It's just an indication that you are not at good health.

[inner hound]

pretty much death sentence i feel , when u hav an extra debuff on it yea

[lapis tree]

isnt that the point?

[feral wedge]

This is my concern.

And reminder

It is a game

[wheat igloo]

^ in my opinion already having the stress and desperation to find food is good enough. For some it makes them act on desperation and make mistakes.

[swift dew]

what they should do is make food and water similar to drowning, and if your stomach becomes empty you start to take hunger damage which affects a hunger health bar and not your actual health

[turbid mauve]

#general-feedback message , carnivores lives aren't suppose to be dandy.

[arctic nimbus]

Yes, but it isn't needed.

[turbid mauve]

Doesn't reflect nature and its ecosystem.

[strange wave]

oh boy, what is going on in here...

[lapis tree]

ok then

[feral wedge]

Doubling down on punishments more and more as you degrade and fail is not something that will make the player feel good when they manage to finally slake their necessities for a time.

[wheat igloo]

well the game isn't trying to perfectly reflect nature

[inner hound]

like having said debuff makes you probably go 'might jsut die now then lol'
probably just me tho.
already taking damage from starving/dehydration, is imo enough. but yeee

[feral wedge]

And no. Carnivore life is not. Believe me, I'm very hard on what I think "life" should be like in the game.

[arctic nimbus]

Being weaker would limit your prey options as a carnivore, and since you would already be starving it would just be a death sentence.

[feral wedge]

But there's a point that's too far.

[turbid mauve]

That is why I am suggesting, it should "fully" do. In attempts to score some sophistcation.

[swift dew]

and atm herbis are way easier than carnis. since you have a food source literally everwhere (grass) and then bushes aren't hard to find either

[inner hound]

grazing is only temporary

it will not make u survive in the long term

[feral wedge]

It would be better to wait to see what is entirely planned for diets before trying to impose detriments for the totality of your hunger being low.

[inner hound]

while yes, we are currently in a state where grazing is jsut kinda tehre and letting you stay put. it wont be in the future, once diets are a thing

[swift dew]

yes but it means you can't starve, unlike carnivores where just might not find anything you can feasibly kill, especially juvis

[feral wedge]

I can understand such debuffs coming into play if like...you tunnel one aspect of diet and neglect others, if it works in such a way

But for now, we have no idea

[inner hound]

i believe once diets are a thing, you can actually starve

from only grazing

its not enough nutrition

[swift dew]

yes but thats why I said atm

[inner hound]

rightyea

diets has been moved now behind nesting right?

long way till diets ig

[turbid mauve]

If anything it would keep the players stimulated to have to be strong because the frail do not survive in this "horror" fixated world, Dondi created.

[barren zephyr]

diets next update

[swift dew]

diets are update 4

[inner hound]

wait

oh

[feral solstice]

Diets are update 4

[inner hound]

kjdngkjfng

[barren zephyr]

nesting is 5

[inner hound]

nvm lul

[feral wedge]

Dangus. Smh.

[feral solstice]

The best gameplay foundation is next update

[inner hound]

i switched them for some reason

[barren zephyr]

pushed back, would be gore

[feral wedge]

But yeah

[feral solstice]

Mean

[feral wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/why-are-you-surprised-dont-you-know-that-isnt-it-obvious-are-you-surprised-confused-gif-15997715

[arctic nimbus]

It would just force carnivores to be on a constant search for food even when they're not starving just so they don't receive debuffs.

[feral wedge]

See but diets should also hopefully do that

Without the horrifically negative stipends of just "Yeah you suck, time to suffer and then die because you can never pick yourself back up."

[turbid mauve]

What is life, without struggle?

[swift dew]

since when is there not a struggle? im dying left and right

[feral wedge]

There will be struggle with or without your suggestion

There is a difference between a struggle and oppression.

[arctic nimbus]

This is a video game. It shouldn't feel like a chore to keep your dino alive.

[feral wedge]

A player failing and then getting kicked further and further down will not bring about a great experience.

[inner hound]

cant be only struggle

[turbid mauve]

Some carry more weight than others. It's just physics.

[swift dew]

[feral wedge]

Yes but that's also vague existentialism and is irrelevant to balancing game systems.

[turbid mauve]

When a person struggles, they recall the details and try to do better. Someone who does not, well, just doesn't.

[arctic nimbus]

I think you missed their point

[inner hound]

limiting others experiences in the extremes, while some others dont can
be quite unfun

[swift dew]

i do not understand what physics has to do with what you were talking about, did I miss something?

[inner hound]

i kinda dont want to be punished for every wrong breath i do lol

[feral wedge]

It's the disabling factor of what you think should be implemented that is the issue. Someone is already punished for not being successful. Shackling them down with further punishments that prevent them from having a chance at recuperation is not the way to go about it.

[inner hound]

thats quite oppressive really. and probably would make ppl quit playing

[turbid mauve]

Scavenging is always a option, hell tyrannosaurus rex do it all the time.

That was their niche.

[cyan flame]

Isn't there already the fact that being low on food and water makes any bleed taken worse? That's a good incentive to me to keep my food and water as high as I can as often as possible. You never do know when something might jump you after all.

[turbid mauve]

Life finds a way.

I just want it to be difficult.

Cause nature is ruthless.

[arctic nimbus]

A player is starving because there isn't any food to begin with. You can't scavenge food when there isn't any.

[turbid mauve]

Find a technique, steal the prey of others.

You've got to have a plan.

[arctic nimbus]

But you're going to be weak from debuffs.

[feral wedge]

See you say scavenging is always an option, but how can you be so sure that some things won't be incapable of scavenging when diets roll around?

[final plume]

nature is ruthless, and the isle is a game.

[turbid mauve]

That should emulate life.

[feral wedge]

Precisely.

[final plume]

while still being enjoyable.

[feral wedge]

You're trying to get something with dinosaurs in it to emulate life?

[turbid mauve]

It's a survival game.

[feral wedge]

You can't build a solid house on a crooked foundation, friend.

[final plume]

a video game's purpose is to entertain the player.

[feral wedge]

Starvation is death.

Who knows how diets may elaborate on the details of that

[turbid mauve]

And that's precisely what it'd be doing.

[feral wedge]

But you don't need to have your wings clipped or your legs broken because you messed up one or few times.

[final plume]

not if it would be ridiculously punishing.

[feral wedge]

That is the very basis of a flawed idea.

[arctic nimbus]

What is entertaining about being incapable of hunting while simultaneously starving to death?

[turbid mauve]

Analogy: People have been told that chickens can't really fly but what the chickens fail to realize is that if they "try" hard enough they can fly.

[final plume]

its a video game

[turbid mauve]

And remarkably rewarding good players with viable sources of prey.

[terse hornet]

are we talking about permanent injuries or something?

[turbid mauve]

Never said anything about permanent.

[terse hornet]

I'm just asking because I don't see the suggestion we're talking about

[arctic nimbus]

Debuffs while starving.

[terse hornet]

sounds like kicking someone while they're down

[final plume]

of course

[arctic nimbus]

That's exactly what it is

[turbid mauve]

Seems like something nature ruthlessness emulates.

[terse hornet]

Too bad it's a videogame so it doesn't have to perfectly reflect the natural world

[blissful onyx]

this isnt nature this is a game and enjoyable gameplay takes higher priority over accuracy

[turbid mauve]

It does if it wants to achieve sophistication.

[final plume]

once again, the isle is a video game

[terse hornet]

Maybe someone can mod in a "hardcore" or "realistic" mode where you get weaker and stuff when starving but I just don't see how that makes good gameplay for the majority of the audience

[turbid mauve]

It's also a survival game.

[swift dew]

good thing we arent emulating nature

[final plume]

a game that isnt enjoyable is a dead game

[turbid mauve]

I'm confused, aren't people lored toward the isle because of its survival dinosauric theme? That's precisely what we'd be giving to them.

People want to feel afraid.

[terse hornet]

There's a difference between fun survival and why am I even playing this game survival

[turbid mauve]

People want to dance, laugh, and scream.

[terse hornet]

I would like to point out that the majority of the dinosaurs are the monsters in the game so it won't be as scary playing them as say, playing humans

[cyan flame]

If you're starving, aren't you already dying? No real point in adding a debuff at that point?

[final plume]

want a honest answer? people are playing the isle to have a chance to relive the experiences of a long gone creature, while still being able to have fun

[turbid mauve]

Are you saying dinosaurs in the isle are monsters? Cause that'd be detaching away from the isle theme lore of being notoriously known as a dinosaur survival game.

[icy lion]

the lore has always stated that the dinosaurs are creations and arent "true" dinos

[tawny juniper]

When the dino has no feathers

[terse hornet]

dinosaur horror survival game. The dinosaurs are the scary part of the game. They're the "monsters"

[crude girder]

The isle is only known as a dinosaur survival game because there are dinosaurs and its a survival game

[turbid mauve]

Dinosaurs aren't monsters. They are organic beings, animals.

[crude girder]

Cloned dinosaurs are

[terse hornet]

And technically yes, the isle dinosaurs are monsters building off of what superlunary says about lore. These aren't dinosaurs in their true forms as they lived millions of years ago. These are lab grown dinosaur inspired monsters

[final plume]

in real life, of course. but we are talking about the isle

[tawny juniper]

So are most "monsters"

[crude girder]

Xenomorphs are organic beings

as are Dragons

doesn't stop them from being monsters

[turbid mauve]

The isle emulates life.

[tawny juniper]

This game isn't real life, while dinosaurs were alive at one point like you and I. That doesn't mean that games can't turn them into the monsters

There are games where modern day animals are the monsters

[final plume]

not to an extreme level.

[tawny juniper]

Look at far cry primal

[terse hornet]

Gonna stop ya right there. No, it doesn't

[crude girder]

Ah yes, I totally forgot how Hyperendocrine is based off how elephants randomly grow 5 times their size

[tawny juniper]

Nope

[turbid mauve]

If it wants to achieve sophistication then it should emulate life to its fullest degree.

[tawny juniper]

Life is a different thing then a virtual game

[turbid mauve]

Yes it does. The developers are literally forming a ecosystem.

[icy lion]

we have saurian for that, im saying this unironically

[tawny juniper]

Virtual games are not restricted to the bounds of life

[terse hornet]

The isle's goal isn't to achieve sophistication in the way you're imagining it it seems. The isle's goal is to make a dinosaur horror survival game that's fun to play.

[cyan flame]

It doesn't. As much as a proper survival game should, most of them do not, and the Isle is among them. It is survival, and if it will end up being "hardcore" remains to be seen. But if nothing else, mods will be there to tailor the experience, so you can add a much more true to life experience then if you'd like.

[final plume]

good thing the isle doesn't want to emulate life to its fullest degree then.

[turbid mauve]

Survival games are nature-based.

[tawny juniper]

Ok...?

[arctic nimbus]

That's just incorrect.

[terse hornet]

Not the kind of ecosystem you're thinking of. They're trying to make a balanced game where no dinosaur is totally unstoppable afaik

[tawny juniper]

If the devs were shooting for as close to real life as possible then we wouldn't have what we already do

[crude girder]

If the Isle emulated nature, then the animals would have paleontologically accurate abilities

For example, Utah wouldn't pounce

[terse hornet]

just because something is nature-based doesn't mean it needs to adhere to every rule in nature

that's the great part of being based on something. It means you took inspiration

not completely copied

[cyan flame]

It does depend a bit on what you mean with emulating nature to be fair. Emulating nature doesn't have to mean paleontologically accurate abilities. It could just be the general way life works, applied to the world and all.

[turbid mauve]

Elaborate on that. An organism's defense is within the physics of that animal. How could the developers disregard that to achieve balance? That's dispicable.

[tawny juniper]

That's game developing

[crude girder]

Well Rhino anky so

[icy lion]

everything that utahraptor is goes against how it worked irl

[terse hornet]

See tenonto, utah, anky, pteranodon running takeoff ect

[arctic nimbus]

If the game completely reflected off of nature then we would not get even half the stuff we have now.

[icy lion]

same with hypsi, and teno, and carno

[cyan flame]

Poor anky!

[tawny juniper]

They aren't creating a game about real life they are creating a game that they think would be fun to play and balanced

[final plume]

almost every animal in the isle is altered to some degree.

[tawny juniper]

every animal

[terse hornet]

This game is entirely fake in regards to the creatures and ecosystem. 100% artificial and the devs can program it that way. There are no rules they have to follow while making the game. If they want to make t-rex breathe fire they can

[cyan flame]

@turbid mauveThe Isle isn't trying for real life accuray, not with how the critters work, not with how the world works either. Based in realism yes, fully realistic, no. If you want an absolutely realistic experience then you'll have to mod that in when that becomes a thing.

[turbid mauve]

Why doesn't the isle want carnotarus to kill stegosaurus on a headshot? Its head is vulnerable. Literally just don't get ambushed and you should be fine and grant stegosaurus its representation of the damage it could inflict thats all.

[tawny juniper]

Ok how does this relate

[icy lion]

because thats not fun to play, and its horrible balance

[terse hornet]

Because that's not good for balance

[turbid mauve]

How?

[tawny juniper]

Why grow something for 5 hours if you could get one shot by something that takes four hours

[final plume]

because the isle doesn't want a player to loose five hours of progress in a few seconds without even having a chance to fight back.

[icy lion]

something that takes 5 hours to grow getting 1 shot by a wimpy 2hr grow is horrific to even think about

[cyan flame]

Because A; that's not what the carno is designed to do, and B, because a lower tier critter oneshotting a higher tier one.. is very questionable balance?!

[worn pumice]

^

[turbid mauve]

It would look conceptually ridiculous.

[arctic nimbus]

Explain how spending 5 hours to grow a creature only to be one shot by something not even half the time good balance.

[worn pumice]

That’s actually insane

[terse hornet]

@carmine rune optimization is an ongoing process of improvement, the rubber-banding and lag issues are known. Sometimes issues are worse on unofficial servers because the server host doesn't have good enough servers to handle the amount of people online.

[final plume]

too bad this is exactly how its been since 2015.

[terse hornet]

It would, but they could do it if they wanted

[turbid mauve]

Not if the stegosaurus is aware, and is rewarded with the actual damage it could inflict with its tail and one shot the carnotarus.

[worn pumice]

Yea but that’s not fun either

[final plume]

one shot fights are such a horrible concept.

[rustic zenith]

Back in my day pachy had bone brake...mmm yup them were the days

[worn pumice]

Dad

[terse hornet]

alright, this conversation has strayed from being about feedback. Time to stop or move it to #401464048610312195

[tawny juniper]

I feel like you just want to complain about the isle not being a copy of real life, and neglect to realize that in order for the devs to progress off of the game they have to make it fun and enjoyable, If the game isn't fun or enjoyable what's even the point of buying/playing it?

[turbid forge]

why would a carno head charge 1 shot if we are talking about realism?

[arctic nimbus]

Again, stego takes 5 hours to grow. Being one-shot by a creature not even half that time isn't balanced no matter how aware you are.

[carmine rune]

thanks for responding, im talking about official servers btw never play in others sorry that i did not mention that, the frustration come from the worsening in issues since qa stress test days, thats hard to understand thats all

[rustic zenith]

Sorry I can't slepp well as I use to...been waiting for the isle to be done for 5 years and..what was I talking about again?

[turbid forge]

it is the head of a 1.5 ton animal vs the head of a 6 ton animal

[turbid mauve]

That's not you're favored prey. What are you even doing preying on that animal with those types of defenses?

[worn pumice]

What else is it gonna hunt if that’s the only thing there atm?

That’s the issue rn

That’s why stego is so underwhelming

[turbid forge]

carno is made to hunt small game anyway

[arctic nimbus]

There is no favored prey currently.

[worn pumice]

Can’t have stego at full potential rn

[arctic nimbus]

And there shouldn't be

[turbid forge]

lets talk about the bigger problem with the game which is desync

[worn pumice]

Other wise it one shots the entire roster except deino

[paper oriole]

Hunt utahraptors, do the servers a favour

[cyan flame]

Balance right now is not what it most likely will end up as no. At some point in the future, a stego might very well one shot a carno, but at that point carno will have far more things to hunt, and stego will have far more things to worry about.

[terse hornet]

Time to move the discussion to #401464048610312195 this is no longer the place

[turbid mauve]

😏 this made me laugh.

[worn pumice]

Yes

[rustic zenith]

Look's like all the dino's need to be in before they find out what to nerf

[worn pumice]

Everything is balanced accordingly to what is in rn

Even then tho stego still is just not very good

Atm

[rustic zenith]

stego is not good?

[turbid mauve]

I'm gonna respond to this one last comment and ima stop. You think there shouldn't be favored prey? Have fun tackling a brachi as a troodon, hun.

[terse hornet]

@turbid mauve @worn pumice @rustic zenith last warning before mutes are handed out move the discussion to #401464048610312195

[arctic nimbus]

I said currently.

[tawny juniper]

why would brachi be troodons favored prey

[cedar pulsar]

@carmine rune hopefully the next hotfix will help with desync
i personally havent had many issues with it (minor ones but not major), but its still prevalent
though i'd say not as much to prior update 3

[carmine rune]

for every player that was testing te qa branch is much worse now at 100 player then it was at 130, the going backwards thing is the worrying one for me, but lets hope so

every player that i talked to*

[cedar pulsar]

luckily it seems like the DC stuff has gotten way better

i havent DC'd once since the stress test came out

[carmine rune]

yes, but the rubberbanding is wild, also im concerned about hiboxes and collisions, they made evrima for these, hope we wont need to scrap everything again in future to fix current issues with it...the more dinos they add more problem this collision system will have

[worn pumice]

Collision is def a big issue

[cedar pulsar]

i doubt they're gonna do recode 2 lol but yeah

[worn pumice]

Phase 3

[carmine rune]

yeah exactly

[cedar pulsar]

it feels kinda like the longer the game goes without the update, the worse that desync/rubberbanding/collision gets

its odd

[carmine rune]

totally

last 4-5 days were worse, and today was superbad atleast in EU officials

[cedar pulsar]

feels like its a lot better on NA officials then EU to me

prolly cause im in NA myself lol

[carmine rune]

heard some EU players saying that too, so probably you are right

[worn pumice]

Depending on where u are the server will be better

[cedar pulsar]

yeah

since i play on NA exclusively desync isnt a huge issue for me, but it is present sometimes

[carmine rune]

also did you guys know that the "updated" growth time are not working at all? for example a utah is not 75 min but still 90 (timed 6 times already) same goes for carno and teno, they still at the old values of growth

[barren zephyr]

Ollo @cedar pulsar

[cedar pulsar]

impostor

[barren zephyr]

I'm the original

[cedar pulsar]

no

[barren zephyr]

Prove it

[feral solstice]

Huh

So far dryo has been growing 30 minutes for me

Hm

[carmine rune]

dryo was already 30min

[worn pumice]

No dryo was 45 minutes before

[swift dew]

dryo was 30 minutes, then it was 45 minutes, and now its 30 minutes again

[carmine rune]

ok but carno and utah 100% still 90 and 150

[worn pumice]

I personally grew a dryo b4 last update so I know it was 45

No idea about Utah n carno tho

[feral solstice]

Hmm

[worn pumice]

If it doesn’t then that’s weird

[feral solstice]

Utah seems faster to me at least

[carmine rune]

if you dont want to grow em to 100% there is an easy test, grow em to 10% and takes the time and do x10

or to 33 and do x3 ofc

i took my timings from 0 to 100 to be as accurate as possible and i can prove utah and carno are still 90 150

[final plume]

utah is 1h 15 minutes, carno is 2h 15 minutes, teno is 1h 45 minutes, dryo is 30 minutes, both stego and deino are 5 hours and ptera is 60 minutes.

[carmine rune]

yes if you read the patch notes yes, but if you actually time it in game utah is 1.30 carno is 2.30 you guys literally belive anything a patch note says without testing it :/

[paper oriole]

Being wedged in a tree is one of the things that is fixed by safelogging still right?

At least sometimes

[final plume]

well, thats why i tested it. the patch notes arent lying, trust me.

[carmine rune]

Eu or NA officials? i tested in EU ones and my own test servers, also seen from streamers vods

[final plume]

unofficials

[carmine rune]

also i started to time it because i was seeing a vod where a utah def wasnt 100% 1h15m after spawning. the vod was in 07.92.02 version of evrima

[final plume]

so far ive tested out teno, ptera, stego and dryo. all of them seem to be the growth times from patch notes

[carmine rune]

you will get a surprise testing utahs and carnos :D, not that its a bad thing i dont mind they keeping old times but

[final plume]

@paper oriole or even better, an unstuck command. i think that would be the quickest and least abusable way

[paper oriole]

As in an admin command?

[final plume]

a chat command accessible to everyone

[paper oriole]

I mean as long as it isnt instantaneous sure

Something that can be abused to lose an attacker would be as bad as getting wedged in a tree sometimes

[carmine rune]

If i remember correctly they dont want an unstuck command bc it can be abusble, but i agree losing your dino in a tree sucks

[paper oriole]

So an unstuck that initiates safelog would be better imo, since if you had time to safelog in a fight the attacker would lose you anyway

So it is less of an abuse

[final plume]

it can easily be made to not be abusable though - maybe making you wait, let's say, 2 minutes before working.

[paper oriole]

It safelogs you, then moves you to your location from a couple minutes fruot

Pretty much the same affect

So either would work

[carmine rune]

yeah i agree, i was quoting some dev answer, iirc

[paper oriole]

If it initiates a countdown like the safelog, then any attacker that hasnt killed you during that window of vulnerability would have failed even without the mechanic

So way less abuse

[final plume]

you can travel great distances in a few minutes in evrima though.

[paper oriole]

Eh i guess it could just pop you out to the closest solid ground, might be a bit hard though since in a forest it could very well just wedge you in another tree

[worn pumice]

ye

[sonic mural]

@arctic turret yea that is a very good question but I think it might depend on if the female is feathered or not since there the ones laying the eggs

[worn pumice]

it sucks but yea hopefully u dont get stuck on trees eventually

seems to mostly happen with the palms

[cedar pulsar]

yeah if they made you able to move better while dismounting it'd prolly be fixed

[sturdy widget]

Or like a slightly faster drop animation than the normal jump if they wanna keep it easy for the herdmates of the pounced to catch you on the way out

[carmine rune]

I agree you shouldnt be punished for landing a pounce, you are punished already for missing it

[worn pumice]

yes landing a pounce shouldnt punish u

i think it was just something the devs missed thats all after the locational dmg changes

hopefully it gets better

[carmine rune]

dont you love getting oneshotted right after landing a pounce on a stego?

[worn pumice]

someone out there unironically would prolly say yes

[carmine rune]

for sure, no doubt about it

getting rewarded with death feels so good

[worn pumice]

[carmine rune]

sarcasm ofc

[worn pumice]

its sad that there is someone actually agreeing with what ur saying unironically

world is a scary place

[sturdy widget]

Man I raised 7 juvis to adulthood yesterday, died in the first big hunt we had due to lag after dismounting a perfect stego pounce. Crushed my hopes and dreams

[sonic mural]

Yea that sucks a lot that’s why I’m taking a break from playing as Utah

[paper oriole]

Upvoting your own suggestion

[carmine rune]

that was great feedback too...Kappa

[worn pumice]

70kg

thats already in

[icy lion]

i think they mean that teno shouldnt deal stun unless it hits with the base of its tail

[worn pumice]

oh pf the tenos til

tail*

[icy lion]

yea

[worn pumice]

oh wait

they up voted themselves

[carmine rune]

can i ask for your opinion on pounce status?

[icy lion]

i dont play much utah but imo the launch when you choose to release should be a bit further

pounce is a really hard ability to get right

usually when a new dino is added it needs to be rebalanced and i can see that happening continuously

[carmine rune]

i mean the whole you get oneshotted as reward to land a pounce

[icy lion]

that can be solved by making the launch a little out of stego til range

[carmine rune]

yeah hope we get that, feels awful right now

[icy lion]

if you time it bad and youre in a coordinated pack, tough luck. however right now theres no such thing as timing it right

[carmine rune]

if the stego is decent he will get you after a pounce 100% of the time

but as you said, giving more kickback should fix it

[merry needle]

if you are inside a stegos body as deino and are biting the stegos head does that count as head shot or do you need to be in front of head

[sonic mural]

In front I think

[merry needle]

huh

[carmine rune]

IF you also hit the head it will count as headshot

they changed how dmg are calculated in the latest hotfix for more infos

[hardy vortex]

yo, did they fix the cave glitch in rivers?

[odd sedge]

@maiden anvil
I like the concepts but I don't think sharpening claws and horns should be in the game at all, since it can be easily abused by stegos for example camping around sharpening-trees to murder everything on sight

[maiden anvil]

Very well. I can remove it actually

Removed the sharpening thing hehe

[lapis tree]

I agree that Velo should have gliding as a ability, but I think that adults would have a harder time gliding than juveniles, juveniles could also climb faster than adults. But to be honest I’d prefer Velo to be a desert dweller

[urban flax]

I don't think velo should get gliding, but another sort of aerial mobility would be nice

[lapis tree]

Yeah

[maiden anvil]

@odd sedge amazing suggestion once again!

[ebon bloom]

Anyone know why I can't access the character screen on Envrima. Also anyone know a fix to stop shadows constantly flickering

[urban flax]

check the troubleshooting channel

[brave nova]

@dreamy wharf the bigger issue is the constant minute changes to the QA build. Having to download the entire game everytime you want to play wouldn't be fun for everyone. I mean I guess they could have a beta branch for it if you wanna do that to yourself, but I would rather they update the public branch less frequently

[shell jasper]

@ebon bloom I've removed your question it is better suited for #723294838610722847, #general-feedback is for feedback and suggestions on the game.

[ionic arch]

I'll remove my reaction once someone react

[wary sparrow]

Why would spino have feathers

[sonic mural]

@ionic arch they wouldn’t add a spino with feathers maybe Utah,troodon,velo if it returns, and maybe hererra will get it, they might thicken the tail as an option but there’s no chance at all that a spino would have feathers neither would it look good at all

[ionic arch]

I removed the feather part

[sonic mural]

Ok

[uneven walrus]

How the fuck can two carnos see where iam underwater as a deino with a healing bleed

they could fucking pinpoint position me in deep ass fucking water

dumb as shit

[brave nova]

Everyone can fucking see blood in the water, now you know

[uneven walrus]

There was no fucking blood

i was healing

and that in itself is dumb

[worn pumice]

depends on where u were

is this swamp or something?

[brave nova]

apparently he was in deep ass fucking water idk

[worn pumice]

cuz ive seen some ppl using hacks to see underwater

they used shaders

[uneven walrus]

they could see me easy

no problem

in a deep river

[cyan flame]

There are some spots where the water is glitched and you can see underwater as well. And they might have just guessed if you stopped bleeding and stayed in that spot?

[uneven walrus]

they were trailing the edge of the water

then jumping in direct to me

like they could just see everything

tbh now I think of it I didnt even see them sniffing the air

[brave nova]

how did the carnos attack you in deep ass fucking water anyway? they can't dive

[uneven walrus]

I'm a sub adult

like 50%

was about 0.5m under their feet

but the hitbox for their bite could still get me

[brave nova]

that's not very deep, they could probably see you normally at that depth

[uneven walrus]

you dont get it

[brave nova]

fact

[uneven walrus]

what facts

what are you talking about

do you like conflict or something

[brave nova]

if you're by their feet they can see you ez, so I don't get the problem no

[worn pumice]

yea due to the water atm if u look at a slight angle using the broken lighting u can see the deino underwater

[uneven walrus]

I wasnt under their feet when they found me FACT

[uneven walrus]

I wasnt just chilling under their feet big boy

i was in the fucking water

about 3m deep

swimming about

[worn pumice]

too many variables to account for

[brave nova]

you're changing your story, at first it was deep ass fucking water

[worn pumice]

if u recorded it it might've been better

[uneven walrus]

and they fucking came in pinpoint and attacked me

[uneven walrus]

what the fuck is your fucking deal

do you get off being a cunt or something

[brave nova]

☝️

[uneven walrus]

Come to voice chat.

[final plume]

chill

[uneven walrus]

I didn't change shit, just say I'm not telling the truth

grow some balls

and end the cunty passive aggression.

[final plume]

relax

[uneven walrus]

This prick literally wanted to pick faults at something arbitrarily with a insane amount of variables and take a tiny bit of information to cause shit and make me look like a liar, while ignoring any and all possibilities to push I'm talking shit.

Fuck him or her.

[ionic arch]

But you said you were deep underwater and then you said you were 0.5 m under their feet..

That mean you changed story

[uneven walrus]

What if i think that 0,5m under the carnos feet is deep for river, I wasn't in a shallow part, it must of been 3m deep in total

I don't understand how that is hard to grasp.

[ionic arch]

0.5m is shallow

[uneven walrus]

They certainly wouldn't of been able to see me from the surface anyway.

[uneven walrus]

Re read my statement. If a carno is fully submerged in water and I'm swimming 0.5m fully under that further, that isn't really shallow is it?

[worn pumice]

Seratix alt bite for carno already does extra dmg

[desert rain]

buf karno

[tiny geyser]

Ye

[quartz wadi]

@glad dirge If carno's alt bite is heavier then how much damage does it do? Ive tested it and seemed like it did the same damage as normal bite

[glad dirge]

@tiny geyser

[worn pumice]

it seems to have to be 500

[glad dirge]

I think it's not a huge difference to a regular bite

But def easier to aim

[worn pumice]

regular bite is 350

i doubt it will go super high

maybe 400

[tiny geyser]

Heck yeah, that would be fun to have.

[worn pumice]

that seems interesting actually

[cyan flame]

Last I tested, carno alt bite does not do more damage than normal bite.

[quartz wadi]

Well unless the alt bite does extra damage I dont see how its anymore useful than simply turning then biting

[worn pumice]

carnos turn is still too good but its whatever

100% it does extra dmg

[quartz wadi]

Still realistic and balanced, we dont need legacy turn speed

[worn pumice]

we dont want that

[cyan flame]

And what you pulled there Tyndrum, while good timing, could be done just as easily with normal turn? Not sure why alt would be better there, and I think that's the point, alt doesn't really do anything a carno can't do with normal turn + bite.

[worn pumice]

but we also dont need carnos turning all the way behind them by drifting

[cyan flame]

@worn pumiceYou absolutely sure? Cause I tested a day or two ago, no difference in the bites then.

[worn pumice]

well it seems to put utahs hp to a lower level after 2 bites

compared to reg

[cyan flame]

Hm, very odd. Granted, we only tested one bite, but it had the exact same result there so

[quartz wadi]

a second bite shouldnt make a difference?? damage doesnt change unless its a different area of the body so

[cedar pulsar]

i see all these people roaring about how desync is still present
meanwhile me with no issues since update 3 like

[worn pumice]

lol

[quartz wadi]

Literally seen a deino get swung at and die from like 20 feet away from a stego as he was swimming away. but hey no desync

[shell jasper]

@tiny geyser@glad dirge @livid fern #general-feedback is for making suggestions / giving feedback, please keep discussions about others suggestions in this channel.

[quartz wadi]

The game's optimization is just as bad if not worse than the stress test. Devs need to optimize their game, theres no excuse for their game to be THIS bad when it comes to performance.

[fading fjord]

Carno Alt, when timed right is also a good move, for when a utah is jumping off you, after a pounce? @glad dirge

[cedar pulsar]

least the DC is gone, but yeah
maybe update 4 or the upcoming hot fix will help us

[dapper terrace]

@quartz wadi I don't know why everyone is thinking that's already in game. Alt bite does the exact same damage as a the normal bite

[final plume]

@barren zephyr what

[elder rivet]

we do a little

[worn pumice]

banning

[elder rivet]

trolling you dummy

[quartz wadi]

utahs alt bite does extra damage, idk why carnos doesnt. literally useless. but hey its gud because cool animation huh?

[frozen heron]

@barren zephyr A little late but what do you mean by tile loading? Is it like some of the map isnt loaded?

[dire ridge]

Bigger hitbox

[worldly ginkgo]

Cool art

[dire ridge]

Indeed

Im sure people think that carno altbite does more damage because the attack hitbox certainly connect with the body+neck+head

So it deal headshot damage

[dapper terrace]

Yeah the Carno alt bite is a joke. It's slower and harder to aim, and has literally no benefits

[cyan flame]

I wish it was a little faster, it feels like you're moving in slow motion :p

[dapper terrace]

That don't want Carno being too manuverable

[dire ridge]

When using it in front of you the speed is ok ish

[dapper terrace]

You can just bite if it's Infront of you lmao

[dire ridge]

With the regular bite you can miss, the alt bite you will not

[barren zephyr]

Yes, tile loading means usually means that you load the next tile of the said map, wich can be harsh on PC's .

[cyan flame]

That's fair, but there's that and there's this slow motion sense that the alt has. At least to me it feels like it's just too slow, even if you sped it up a little I don't think it would make the carno much more manuverable than just turning and biting normally.

[barren zephyr]

thats why you get that freeze frame whenever you are around the border of a tile

[worn pumice]

its cuz the tile loads so u get lag as a result

[cedar pulsar]

sometimes for me the tiles don’t load entirely when I’m near them

[frozen heron]

I'm on a low end computer so the tiles dont even load for me unless I'm directly on them.. feels bad man

[cedar pulsar]

so one half looks like UE4 while one looks like the N64

[frozen heron]

Oh yeah i have that lol

[worn pumice]

lol

[cedar pulsar]

I feel like some people accept that performance related things like desync mainly can be fixed super quickly

when that ain’t the case much

[elder rivet]

is nobody going to delete that

[worn pumice]

[tall oasis]

@barren zephyr what...

[worn pumice]

dont even like

just

ignore it

[fading fjord]

Gotta love this new "ALT" adventure, quest...huh....thing.

#EvrimaBetterThanLegacy

[tall oasis]

why they put the weird art in general feedback???????

[worn pumice]

cuz

speedrun ban?

idk

[tall oasis]

im dyeing

it's so embarrassing, i can't comprehend what they were thinking

[worn pumice]

these moments r why i keep islecord

lol

[tall oasis]

lol

[tall oasis]

holy crap, they put all thos comic images 1 by 1 , its not one image WHY

[worn pumice]

lol

im surprised its still there

[tall oasis]

wait...

HE DIDN'T MAKE IT!

ITS NOT HIS ART LMAO

[worn pumice]

no he just posted it here cuz yeet

[tall oasis]

lol

[worn pumice]

if hes tryna speedrun ban its not working

[worldly ginkgo]

Well thanks to that i now know that a talented person exists

[worn pumice]

gEnErAl FeEdbACk

[ionic arch]

In my suggestion I am talking about a skin idea for the Spino..

[barren zephyr]

<@&401466542140817419> someone posted a comic strip in general feedback

[uncut umbra]

taken care off. Thanks 🙂

[hybrid matrix]

why are ppl adding the 🦷 without adding the 🪚 reaction

theyre supposed to go together

there now its even better

[desert rain]

are people really saying that carno needs a buff?

[low yoke]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[worn pumice]

yEs

no carno is fine atm

its alt bite could be more helpful tho

its slow as shit

[low yoke]

ya tbh honest i think carno is pretty balanced atm.

[desert rain]

ye idk like carno needs to be able to fly so he can kill pteras yk guys cuz pteras can just bite him and fly away doesnt make any sense!
The fly ability should trigger if u hold alt and rmb and it would use 5% of stamina, also the alt bite should do atleast 800 damage and be 200% faster

[hybrid matrix]

i mena

if the alt bite were a little faster it'd be nice

[worn pumice]

alt bite should be a bit faster

apart from that its pretty balanced honestly

[hybrid matrix]

rn u gotta kno exactly where ur opponent will be 5 seconds from now