general-feedback-discussion

[merry needle]

or more then 1 croc being able to grab bigger things to gether

I DID NOT FRICKIGN SAY DEINO CANT BEAT STEGO i said stego wins most fights over all it is stronger then deino

[barren zephyr]

how?

Stego is forced to fight

[tepid gate]

it was cocky. It chased me into the water thinking Stego still beats Deino. I've just shown it that there was a patch that changed this match up a lot and it's 50/50 at best for the Stego now.

[barren zephyr]

while deino CAN defend itself, but also has a easy escape option

[silk moat]

Lmao you did say it couldn’t beat stego

[tepid gate]

You did actually say that but that's beside the point

[merry needle]

if a stego is going in the water aken its dumb af

[barren zephyr]

^

[tepid gate]

you just don't understand how this match up plays out

[merry needle]

s they do beat deino easy but deino can win

[tepid gate]

Stego did beat Deino before the patch came out

it's completely different now

Deino's the biggest winner of the last patch

[barren zephyr]

pretty sure all deino has to do is lunge its head for a stun then spam alt bite right?

[merry needle]

what changed in the last patch?

[tepid gate]

It dumpsters pretty much everything now if you know how to do it

[merry needle]

that would make dieno win so much easyer?

[tepid gate]

The locational damage got changed now

[silk moat]

^

[tepid gate]

This is a change that Deino loves

[merry needle]

so do head shots do more now?

[tepid gate]

Stego likes it against Utah but hates it against Deino

[barren zephyr]

no, its more consistent

[tepid gate]

No, it's about how you can land those headshots

[merry needle]

ahhh

yes before it was pretty weird hit box with the head

[turbid mauve]

What do you mean by no?

[dire ridge]

if your attack hitbox hit multiple body part, the highiest multiplier is applied

[barren zephyr]

massive buff to the big guys

especially deino

[merry needle]

wait so if we bite the body and near like the neck it does more?

it counts as more then one spot of damg?

[tawny juniper]

As opposed to what

[barren zephyr]

if you hit both it will deal neck damage

[dire ridge]

if you have a big attack hitbox, the more chance you have to hit something "interessting"

[turbid mauve]

Can someone tell me what the problem is?

[tepid gate]

@merry needleIf you hit a Stego from behind before the patch you'd deal 0 damage to it because the first part that you hit is the thagomizer that takes no damage. Now if you do that and you hit the body with the same hit you will deal 500 damage to it. Deino loves this change.

[dire ridge]

before the patch, utah and carno where able to tail tank hit

[merry needle]

ohhhhh

so now we can do damg lol

[dire ridge]

yes

[merry needle]

t utahs cant survive a tail hit now?

that seems kinda dumb

[tepid gate]

They can, it's not about that

[merry needle]

oh

[tepid gate]

It's about what you hit with the bite

[merry needle]

gosh darn it now i need to go find a stego and test this

[tepid gate]

before patch: if you hit the tail, the body and the head you would deal damage equal to the locational of the first area hit - e.g. the tail. Now you would deal the headshot damage.

If you just charge a stego you might still die, there's more to that match up than just spamming the bites at its head

[merry needle]

so before if i hit tail then head both are tail htis now it tail and head?

[dire ridge]

before, even if the tail strike or even the bite of deino attack hitbox phased throught hal of the utah, the first thing being hit was the tail so damage was low

[turbid mauve]

What seems kinda dumb is allowing a utahraptor to survive that amount of force, but that's just my thought on it.

[merry needle]

dude its its tail XD

[dire ridge]

it cannot anymore

[turbid mauve]

Good.

[tepid gate]

@merry needlebefore if you hit the tail and the head with a single hit you would deal tail-shot damage assuming that was the first bodypart you hit. Now you would deal headshot damage.

[merry needle]

how would you hit the 2 parts of body that are furthest apart in 1 hit?

[tepid gate]

Big jaws of a big Croc

Stego can hit all the parts of Utah's body

[dire ridge]

tail strike cover a big angle

[merry needle]

does lunging a stego do more damg then biting?

[dire ridge]

no

[merry needle]

does any one want to go to the zoo in 20 mins and test this act out a stego drinking then getting attacked?

so i can see for my self

[turbid mauve]

You'd have to position yourself in front of the stegosaurus away from its tail to deal the max amount of damage to it because stegosaurus's head is quite vulnerable to an animal of that bite force.

[merry needle]

well i mean deino does not have a lot of bite force in evrima

[tepid gate]

You don't have to position yourself in front of the Stego, that's the thing

[turbid mauve]

Are you saying that a six-hour stegosaurus should die to one bite that of a deinosuchus bite?

[elder rivet]

I can't believe people literally want immortal dryo

[merry needle]

no im just sayign deino bite is not vary strong in evrima im not complaining just saying a fact

[tepid gate]

Dryo and Deino are both borderline immortal atm.

Dryo more so

[merry needle]

how is dryo immortal

[tepid gate]

but its combat potential is lower so it's w/e

[barren zephyr]

Yeah I was playing dyro a few minutes ago, its broken

[elder rivet]

"instead of making dryo's ability good, why don't we just make it super speed and give it a dodge just for it to look unique"

[tepid gate]

You literally only die as Dryo when you actively seek death

[barren zephyr]

^

I died because I was fucking with a utah pack for 10 minutes

[dire ridge]

Deino still have the strongest bite force of the game currently

[turbid mauve]

There was no need to state that fact, actually, in fact, it has the strongest bite force of all carnivores currently within the game.

[tepid gate]

2nd fastest animal in the game with the best agility a tonne of stamina, ability to jump, good at hiding

[merry needle]

what is dryos ability? and why is it so good

[elder rivet]

you're faster than utahs and carnos can only catch a dryo if he tries to fight back

[tepid gate]

Dryos ability is trash, its the sheer stats that the animal has that make it so good

[barren zephyr]

its the 2nd fastest animal and has the best agility

the only thing able to hunt dyro is the dino with the worst agility

[elder rivet]

dryo has a dodge, if you were to make it actually good, you wouldn't need to give it super-speed

[barren zephyr]

^

[tepid gate]

I've ran into 3 Carnos, 1 adult with 2 juvies, got to kill the juvies with the adult being unable to do anything. Broken animal only held back by the fact that it's squishy and doesn't do THAT much damage(it still does as much as a fresh spawn Deino which is enough to maul small animals).

[elder rivet]

but hey, 5 out of 6 people disagree with dryo not being shift+W simulator, so i guess i have room temperature IQ

[tepid gate]

Dryo was perfectly fine during the previous patch, atm it's just "op" in terms of being able to stay alive. If it got a buff so that more people would play it then that's a bad approach because I still see a Dryo once in a blue moon. It's just not a particularly interesting animal for the people so nobody picks it, it's not because it's bad.

[paper oriole]

dryo's speed should be lowered to 51km/h so its just barely slower than utah, but its dodge should be an omnidirectional aimed ability similar to lunging and not halt it in its tracks after use

its dodge was already useless when it wasnt fast enough to escape with speed

now it has no reason to use it at all

[tepid gate]

Yea although I don't think it would become more popular with those changes. This animal's just kind of... boring. The only reason to pick it is to kill juvies.

[glad dirge]

@barren zephyr I still don't see a need, ptera doesnt have enough stam to get that high unless you start from a way up high on a mountain. If it did have oxygen drain it would be the same as if you were being drowned, a slow fade to black

[barren zephyr]

Personally I dont play dryo because it's too small to fight anything, and it's generally just boring tbh

[paper oriole]

it's pretty boring but i think once a bigger roster is out and there is less hype over new dinos the juvie killer troll dinos might pop up more often like in legacy

[glad dirge]

It's like, a land ptera

[paper oriole]

however there are dinos coming out that do dryo's troll job better than dryo now

he could maybe get great nightvision too to add some more appeal

[tepid gate]

Idk if it would make it interesting all of a sudden. What would it even do with that nightvision?(not that I'm against give it good nightvision)

[turbid mauve]

What I've noticed with the gameplay with deinosuchus versus stegosaurus is that deinosuchus tries to get stegosaurus to run out of stamina when it's spamming its tail ability in the water just for fun, and I just think that is just so mildly stupid. Another thing, I've noticed between the two is that stegosaurus may try to run away from deinosuchus because of being afraid that it is stronger than it, rather than standing you're ground and slapping it to the ground as it should be because when we stegosaurus (mains) try to run, we're just setting ourselves for failure in the sense of bleed loss.

[paper oriole]

i mean it could piss people off... but at night? i don't know

[tepid gate]

It can stay alive perfectly fine it's just that the animal itself doesn't really have anything going for itself in terms of what it could do

I guess?

[paper oriole]

not much you can really do with dryo, giving him cross species grouping would make him super abusable, speed demon should be galli's role not dryo's, burrowing shouldn't return for him

[tepid gate]

@turbid mauveThe Stego I've killed wasn't running at all, it kept swinging until it went down.

[elder rivet]

galli is gonna practically erase dryos from existence, the only ones that you'll see will be 95% AI

[paper oriole]

dryo may just stay as that troll dino people jump on when their allo dies or something

[tepid gate]

Deino simply does have the tools to take out a Stego now

[paper oriole]

and that's fine, there are a lot more herbis that can be made interesting

[tepid gate]

I'm not sure if it's a Deino favoured match up now

[turbid mauve]

It must've not been an adult.

[tepid gate]

It was a fully grown adult

Deino simply can kill Stegos 1v1 now if you play it correctly

[turbid mauve]

Were you attacking its head?

[tepid gate]

Of course I was aiming for the head

I didn't count the bites, the fight was overall quite short

But I assure you Deino can beat Stego now, it's not just that I beat this one

I know people who actively hunted down Stegos with Deino

It's at the very worst a 50/50 match up for the Deino now if you know how to play it

But it might just be Deino-favoured atm

[turbid mauve]

Good, what stegosaurus needs to do not move at all, and if you come at me all I need to do is turn around and you are at a disposition as unsavory as ur taste in food. Don't underestimate strong stegosaurus mains, they know their blows hit harder than you, and can and will tank your bites.

[paper oriole]

[tepid gate]

Yea that Stego didn't move at all, see what not moving got it? It's just not a particularly good match up for the Stego now

You might beat some Deinos that don't know how to kill Stegos

but the moment you get hunted by someone who knows how to play this match up you're going to go down

As I said - an acquaintance of mine watched his friend take down multiple Stegos as a Deino without even losing much hp

iirc he told me his friend didn't really go down below half health during those fights

[turbid mauve]

Dude, I've seen deinosuchus who have run across the map to get to where I am grazing and lose their stamina in the process and end up being free meat to my stronger herbivorous dinosaur capable of inflicting powerful blows.

[tepid gate]

Bad Deinos as I said

[paper oriole]

those sound like idiot deinos

liek seriously? wasting your stam to just run up to something out of your element? can't brag about killing that

[tepid gate]

Atm Deino is probably the strongest animal in the game.

Doesn't have a single match up that it would be clearly losing, fears only its own kind, easy to grow, has easy access to food

[turbid mauve]

Do you think you can aim for a stegosaurus head? I don't need to aim, I just need to turn my back to it and the deinosuchus gets head shotted on repeat. Not to mention, base damage of 1,200.

[tepid gate]

Great bleed resistance, fast regeneration, an ability to always disengage from a fight whenever it's going badly for it

[paper oriole]

deino's biggest enemy is itself, even river camper stegos just getting their asses handed to them

[tepid gate]

Yea I can aim for a Stego's head, it's not that hard now

[paper oriole]

dumb stegos wasting their stam swinging at the water and then getting chomped on

[manic flint]

Unless you run into a cannibal deino growing one isn't hard
That's why I think bary or sucho should've been added too

[tepid gate]

Yea, only other Deinos are a threat to Deino

[turbid mauve]

What do you mean, "It's not that hard now?" Like, elaborate please.

[tepid gate]

@turbid mauvelocational changes - you can hit a headshot without being in front of the Stego. You can just chomp down on its head while being at its side or in certain cases even behind it.

Admittedly it would be difficult to do it through the entire body but it's potentially possible

[turbid mauve]

That should be reported, then, due to the fact that I don't think stegosaurus should get head shot from when the enemy is attacking its side or its back. That sounds really weird to me. I've personally never encountered a problem with a deinosuchus ever before, when I go to drink I make sure to have my side to the water.

[tepid gate]

It shouldn't be reported it's just a change in how the locational damage works. It's better than it was before that's for sure.

[turbid mauve]

So, you think deinosuchus should be able to apply headshot damage even when deinosuchus is behind stegosaurus? Really, really confusing.

[tepid gate]

Before Deinosuchus would deal no damage to a Stegosaurus despite clearly biting its body due to the fact that Stego's tail was the first thing that Deino was making contact with. It was really dumb back then.

[fading fjord]

YT has rly good stuff on this. Whenever you wish to talk about this or anything else, i would love to talk to you about some of this stuff and more.

[tepid gate]

It also screwed Stego against Utahs

I keep saying that Deino is the biggest winner of this patch exactly because Deino likes this change in everyone of its match ups. Stego likes this change against Carno, Utah and just about anything else but it doesn't like it in its match up against Deino.

Before the patch you could block bites from Deino/tail attacks from Stego as a Utah by turning your tail towards it. Utah would then receive ~50dmg from a Deino bite just because it turned its tail towards the Deino. It was ridiculous with Utah getting bitten 21 times before it went down despite the fact that Deino was biting the entirety of the Utah.

Same goes for Stego - you could pounce it and then just turn your tail towards it while getting off taking like ~120 dmg from the thagomizer attack

[merry needle]

is lunged bugged ofr any oen else? i got 2 perfect hits on carnos and did not grab

[turbid mauve]

Stegosaurus is not the enemy. You don't see an elephant, rhino, or even a hippo being attacked by a gator because of its impressive weaponry against it.

[paper oriole]

stego can't really be compared to any of those animals

as those three animals have big robust weaponry in the front

[turbid mauve]

They should just make a mechanic already where it allows multiple deinosuchus to latch onto stegosaurus and overpower it and thus drown it.

[fading fjord]

Dont you feel like this map we using is very "Deino" based?

[turbid mauve]

I can't wait till the rift barrier is brought down, it looks like so much more open space and a very calming arena to explore as a herbivore player.

[fading fjord]

The open areas are flyers playground, this map it very ptera and deino, if u know what i mean.

[merry needle]

not really tbh if it was meant for deino it would have more deep water and water crossing there are a ton of shallow spots to drink from

[fading fjord]

Rift barrier, what you mean? My english is poor equal to 0, i chat like a 6 year old.

[merry needle]

what the frick my lunge wont work 3 carnos that where right in fron of me drinking did not grab went right throught them

[turbid mauve]

Its the blue screen thingy that prevents us from exploring the map further.

[fading fjord]

oh ok, in due time, imo we dont need a bigger map yet, or do we?

@urban flax If you had Don strapped 2 a chair and you could add\change something ingame, what would you do? (Deleting game) not an option.

@turbid mauve Can you answer this aswell?

[urban flax]

I would redo the designs to my liking, especially Utah, Spino and maybe Anky

And tribals

[fading fjord]

👍

[odd sedge]

Making naked Utah's not naked anymore

[urban flax]

I didn't say I would give them feathers

[sonic mural]

What would u change about Utah,spino,anky, and tribals?

[urban flax]

Heh who am I fooling. Of course I would

I'd give utah feathers, maybe bulk it up a bit, change spino into frog spino, maybe fictionalize it so it can still compete with other apexes and turn anky into anky anky

[sonic mural]

“Frog spino” lmao

But I agree

[urban flax]

And for tribals I'm not sure, since we don't know yet precisely how they would loo like, but it seems they're going for a rather monstrous appearance

[sonic mural]

True

I would give utahs some feathers but not 100% to the point it would look like a chicken and I feel like if it were bulked up they would make it slower

And maybe less nimble

[urban flax]

I know it's personal taste, but I'd like tribals to be fearsome as forces of nature, but also somewhat pleasant to look at. With long flowing hair for when they run in the jungle :)

(And I'm not going to say anything else I gotta go)

[sonic mural]

Ok

[turbid mauve]

Prompt posed by @fading fjord : If you had Don strapped 2 a chair and you could add\change something ingame, what would you do? (Deleting game) not an option.

 It seems like this isle dinosaur gameplay is rather keen on promoting the idea of this being a horror fantasy game. What I would change, is the directive of where this game is going by not only bringing emphasis on its upbringings but also its horrors of turning the tides toward a science fiction video game. My such contentions are the following, life, nature, and realism.
 To begin, the first contention I will be speaking about is life. We would want to emulate life as much as possible. For example, “it doesn’t matter whether I am right or you wrong, let life decide in finding a way” - so it doesn’t matter if a stegosaurus has been killed by a deinosuchus by one headshot because if the rules were reversed, let’s say for the sake of argument it (the stegosaurus) could also kill it with two hits. Plus, the factor that the stegosaurus has its tail to keep its predators from within a distance of it. Therefore, life was a powerful rhetorical device being utilized due to the fact that life is crazy.

In addition, the second contention I will be speaking about is nature. We must let nature run its course. According to common sense, “If the animal fights for its life, it should reap the rewards of becoming accustomed to its new environment that it has now become a founder of” - this means that if the animal does not have the tools to beat what it cannot kill it, it will die unless it's smart to outmaneuver its predators. Therefore, the rhetorical device's nature was powerful because of its horrors.

Furthermore, the last contention is realism. We want things to plan out as realistically as possible. If a carnotaurus ambushes a stegosaurus and bites its head, it should go down but if the stegosaurus is aware, the scales are tipped and the highly powerful stegosaurus who has evolved such impressive weaponry is rewarded with the accurate representation of damage it could inflict to a nimble carnotaurus with the use of its spiked tail. Therefore, the rhetorical device realism was the impressive cause of its beauty and its savagery of being realistic.
Once again, I stand behind the idea of tilting the game’s direction of being a fantasy - into a reality where I allow my fantasy to train, within my very soul.

[urban flax]

So Class basically you'd like to turn The Isle into the most realistic dino sim possible ?

(Excluding the fact dinos don't come from the same eras)

[turbid mauve]

Close but I said science fiction.

[urban flax]

Ah yes, so a realistic science fiction game

Would you keep humans in your ideal The Isle ?

[turbid mauve]

Yes, I would give them all the innate abilities we have, which includes positive aswell as negative reinforcement for getting an animal to learn a behavior and that we are not enemies but a friend cause I'm giving you food so be my friend and protect me. Type of thing.

[urban flax]

Huh
well I strongly disagree with what you'd do but that's just opinions. Yours is interesting, and it's funny because it looks like a lot of people on this server share it, although it's very far away from the intended direction of the game.

[turbid mauve]

It's okay to disagree with me. What strange world would it be if we all agreed on what's right and what's wrong, so, we'll agree to disagree.

[urban flax]

Yes x)

[odd sedge]

“““Realism“““? Yes please
Unbalanced gameplay? Hell nah

[strange wave]

@turbid mauve are you spouting your human ideas again?

[fading fjord]

I want 2 talk more about this someday.

I kinda feel the same as Bubu does, about some stuff, but i can see some of the stuff you talk about there being worked for what this game could\might be, interesting things you saying there.

[full canopy]

I hope they add bulbasaur to the game

[sonic mural]

Same

[vale pawn]

they gotta add butterfree

[full canopy]

make dr. Oak playable or I will riot

[frank matrix]

That is my feedback is that to hard make a god damn interesting map

[vestal rune]

I mean, they just got a new map designer which will heavily improve the map, since previously all the maps have been made by dondi, who isn't an amazing map designer

but even in the map's current state, despite all its flaws I'd still call it interesting

[frank matrix]

Really how does go to the jungle

[vestal rune]

the jungle is literally the best part of the current map lol, so much better than it was previously

[frank matrix]

Go ask peopole and see what they say

[vestal rune]

most people I saw loved the new jungles, they're a significant improvement to what it was before

what's specifically wrong with them?

[frank matrix]

It's too hard to navigate

[vestal rune]

that's how jungles are...

just use the compass, it makes it easy

[frank matrix]

It's like copy and paste there no interest in spots

[vestal rune]

what about places like toilet and seagate?

maybe there could be more interesting spots but they're certainly there

[frank matrix]

Look at maps in other dino games

[vestal rune]

I've played other dino games, none of them have a better jungle from what I've seen

[frank matrix]

Ask in the isle discussions and see what they say

[mellow steppe]

probably the same thing

[frank matrix]

Go ask them then

[frank matrix]

What did they say

[vestal rune]

they said it had a better jungle lol

[tepid gate]

Jungles themselves might be somewhat better than the old ones. I honestly probably wouldn't know I avoid them all the time when i play the game. The map itself is more annoying though due to the cliffs being more present around the playable area as well as the fact that they're hidden now.

[patent garden]

@tidal rose im loving your suggestions, and the lil illustrations you give for them 💕

[tidal rose]

@patent garden hey, thanks! :D

[elder rivet]

there won't be an option for global

[rare vine]

based on how ppl are reacting to my suggestion, probably not.

[rare vine]

oh lol

didnt notice that

[molten tulip]

Just wait until mods

[rare vine]

i guess

imma just delete my suggestion lmao

[brave nova]

[sonic mural]

@indigo kayak Magi is most likely gonna be ceratos favorite when dieting is added since for other dinos it is bad for them

[patent garden]

f

and magi?

is that the weird neck flap sauropod?

[sonic mural]

Yes

It was in ceratos concept art

[patent garden]

:o

why is it bad for other deinos?

[elder rivet]

a way to deter people from trying to hunt magy

[sonic mural]

Yea I think it’s like poisonous or something to other dinos when eaten except cerato

[elder rivet]

it wouldn't be worth it to hunt down a magy and waste a lot of time on it because you could've just hunted something else and get a reward after succeeding

[patent garden]

oh i see

i n t e re s t i n g

i guess its diet will be like poison berries or something toxic? maybe shrooms? big fat sauropod on shrooms?

[sonic mural]

Maybe, there is something to do with herbis eating fruits that aren’t good for them coming to the game so maybe magi will get the most poisonous types of food to eat

[patent garden]

:,o

[sonic mural]

And Cerato seems like it could be one of the most brutal dinos in the game since it was shown in the concept art ripping off a magis head so yea

Somebody suggested it might have a headshot multiplier which would be cool and I think there actually gonna add in for a special ability

[vestal rune]

wdym headshot multiplier? every dino has that

[barren zephyr]

why would it have that

[patent garden]

it's shown in the concept art doing what

oh my god

it's the gore update thing

[sonic mural]

It makes sense and would be cool

[patent garden]

they're gonna make em like hyenas where they kill their prey by ripping off limbs n stuff

[vestal rune]

yes but all dinos have headshot multipliers already

[sonic mural]

Yea true but who knows cerato might get something to do with headshots idk all we can do is wait and see 🤷

[barren zephyr]

it doesnt

every dino has that

[sonic mural]

Ik I just said it might have SOMETHING to do with headshots

Seeing how the concept art was with it biting the magis head

[vestal rune]

eh, that seems a bit specific

[barren zephyr]

and its something literally every carnivore can do

[vestal rune]

maybe a grab or something, but we'll see

[patent garden]

can you link me the concept art i cant find it in #phase-two-archive

[sonic mural]

Yea most likely

[barren zephyr]

why have grab attacks specific to cerato?

[vestal rune]

all the dino concept arts are on the trello

[barren zephyr]

everything that realistically could have one should get one imo

[patent garden]

the trello?

[molten tulip]

Doesn't cerato have baby arms

[glad dirge]

Not all concepts are on the trello

[vestal rune]

the roadmap, the link is pinned in #roadmap-updates

[sonic mural]

https://trello.com/b/G5tsb4XI/public-roadmap

[patent garden]

also dude, certain carnis have better grabbing capabilities than others due to teeth strength / shape, and jaw strength

oh thanks

[sonic mural]

Carno has the true baby arms lol

[molten tulip]

Theyre not even arms theyre nubs

[sonic mural]

Facts

[molten tulip]

Can't really imagine it grabbing something with its tiny arms when it could just bite it

[sonic mural]

We mean grabbing with its jaw

[molten tulip]

Oh

[sonic mural]

Lol

[molten tulip]

Maybe

[barren zephyr]

and?

[molten tulip]

That feels more like a tyrannosaurus thing

[barren zephyr]

If cerato can grab, carno can

[sonic mural]

True

[barren zephyr]

of course some should be better at it then others

but locking it to a few specific dinos is silly and doesn’t make sense

why would you be against more dynamic combat?

[patent garden]

tru but some dinos, i.e, utahs, simply dont have big enough jaws to grab onto most dinos

grabbing mechanics would make sense for many bigger carnis but certainly not all

[barren zephyr]

It would be dynamic

like I said, you can only grab things you realistically could

like a utah could use a “grab bite” on a pachys neck

but not a dibble

[patent garden]

eh idk, a grab bite on a neck seems like it would only make a fight shorter, which... is realistic, sure, but not very fun for either party imo

plus many carnis are already planned to have primary hunting tactics: lunging for gators (no other carni has this), pounce for utahs, charging for carnos, etc.

its okay to have mechanics somewhat limited to each dino, since otherwise people would always just use the grab mechanic (similarly to how bite was the only way to attack in legacy). it's good to have variation across dinos

eyo turbo

what do you not like about the ptera suggestion

[brave nova]

It's too big. I don't see a 90kg animal picking bugs off the back of another.

Maybe if we had giant carboniferous insects, but that would just be silly for other reasons.

[patent garden]

when i say sauropods i mean like brachys tho

[paper oriole]

maybe ptera can eat birds that land on sauropods

birds that... for some reason dont totally scatter when the big ass predator shows up and starts munching them

[patent garden]

they would be tiny in comparison

i mean i think we all know what the current AI is like lmao

but yeh it could be better if it was more like swooping around the sauropods, kinda like bats

[sonic mural]

I hear a lot of ppl talk about juvi carnos getting there charge taken out bcuz utahs can’t pounce when there juvi but idk so does anybody else agree or disagree?

[paper oriole]

Disagree cus fuck utah

They said they were working on it anyway

[pale bloom]

Disagree to remove charge, but give Juvi Utahs the pounce

[sonic mural]

Yea all they gotta do is work on it bcuz they did say it was broken or something

[pale bloom]

It created a variety of problems in the past but if they can fix it an make it work, go ahead

[sonic mural]

It just seemed unnatural how they weren’t able to do it as soon as they were sub adult or fresh adult until I found out it was bcuz it was broken

[brave nova]

Really looking forward to pouncing without having to be 100% grown. I hope they get it sorted sooner rather than later.

[barren zephyr]

@patent garden

I feel like this should be a thing for all herbies above dyro size (120 kg) and for carnis utah size (500 kg) and up

[brave nova]

[barren zephyr]

[brave nova]

Just imagining a 90kg ptera on the back of a 120kg dryo, pecking it to catch bugs.

[barren zephyr]

oh true

could make it pachy size and up, its 500kg to

[pale bloom]

I was cleaning the bugs of the back of a Deino today, idk why but he seemed pissed for it tho

[patent garden]

yeah idk i think itd look a lil weird on anything smaller than a sauropod lol

unless we get a flyer smaller than the ptera

like i couldnt imagine even a rex or giga having a bunch of pteras hanging onto it lol

[mighty crater]

I find it really annoying trying to do basic things like landing on trees, or jumping into trees with hypsi

Also a Utah still hit me while I was in a tree, I demand a nerf to its jump height

[sonic mural]

It’s jump height doesn’t need a nerf

[patent garden]

i agree, utahs are meant to be flexible hunters, but i think it'd be great if hypsis were better climbers (i.e, they could still be caught at lower levels by utahs, but could climb higher if they have enough stam / are in a taller tree)

also i just wish hypsis ability wasnt so shit to use

[brave nova]

You should demand better hitboxes for trees and the ability to climb them, imo.

[patent garden]

"jump into this crappy buggy tree. oh wait, you cant jump in this one because idk fuck you"

[patent garden]

this ^

[worn pumice]

trees in general just arent rly meant for climbing rn

[patent garden]

yeah :(

[worn pumice]

their just kinda there for knocking things off

[molten tulip]

Its kind of just land on the invisible stick if you can

[patent garden]

which kinda sucks since hypsi's other ability is trash too

[worn pumice]

they'll prolly be better once herra comes out

[brave nova]

pretty much, the model just gives you a rough estimate of how tall the tree actually is.

[patent garden]

hypsis are still viable in my experience cos they're just such fast lil bastards with good stam, as long as you stay in the forest you can survive fairly long

the issue is that sprinting away for as long as possible is just kinda boring honestly, especially since they're supposed to have multiple cool abilities to deter /escape predators

[worn pumice]

ye

its like the dryo situation again

its not fun to play

[patent garden]

yee

dryos at least can kick the shit out of non-adult utahs tho

if you really wanna choose violence

[worn pumice]

indeed but like

its just

its too easy to survive as

it feels like a smaller galli

id rather have dryo go back to its original speed

and given an actual proper dodge mechanic

then it would be fun

[brave nova]

Dryo is extremely fun to play, even with the useless dodge.

[tawny juniper]

I agree I think a whole arboreal ecosystem would be really cool, By this I mean different dinos thata re able to climb have interactions among the trees and higher up places

Like for example maybe ptera could land in some tree

and if not careful could becomebait to a herrera

Or if you could nest in trees as a ptera and have herrera come and try to eat your eggs

[barren zephyr]

sounds like a dangerous move

[molten tulip]

There was a suggestion for tree holes hypsis can nest in

Probably too small for a Herrera to get into but they can camp it if they find it

[barren zephyr]

maybe juvie herrera size

[tawny juniper]

Low hanging ones could potentially be reached by troodons

[molten tulip]

Yeah

[small lagoon]

is the group and chat bug on official servers too or just custom

[barren zephyr]

group chat and global chat is not in the game

[turbid mauve]

Loved to.

[barren zephyr]

I was actually going to respond to that GF post about realism then I realized class made it

[mighty crater]

Is trotting suppose to leave full tracks?

Unless that envirma

[manic flint]

It does?

[barren zephyr]

@worn pumice hella offtopic but is ur pfp from terraria?

wanted to ask here bc thats where i last saw u talkin

[worn pumice]

Oh

Nah

Mine is juice wrld art

@barren zephyr

[barren zephyr]

huh

damn

[worn pumice]

I ain’t even got terraria

I do but it’s on my console

[paper oriole]

Nononono

[barren zephyr]

looked familiar which is why i asked

[paper oriole]

AI is to supplement the map so you dont have to go to hotspots and to make the world more active, not to “give carnis safe ez snack” which it shouldn’t be

[worn pumice]

Np

[paper oriole]

Why do people want free food on the faction that is supposed to be hard survival

[worn pumice]

Cuz

The isle

And also legacy spoon feeding

[paper oriole]

Its downright sad

[worn pumice]

They wanna afk in a bush for hours

And get their apex rex that kills everything

[patent garden]

maybe it would help if the devs labelled the various factions with difficulty levels

[paper oriole]

If people want legacy taco, oro and ava level AI to ez grow their rexes in the corner of the map they don't deserve to play carni at all

[patent garden]

i.e,
-herbi: easy
-carni: medium
-tribals: hard
-merc: difficult
etc.

[worn pumice]

Herbi shouldn’t easy tbh

[patent garden]

or even give ratings for individual species or smth

i know i was just giving an example

[sonic mural]

Dang the game just screwed me over I tried to pounce a stego and thx to lag it teleported me back making me miss the pounce then teleported me next to the stego as I was in my stun animation lmao

[worn pumice]

When they grow to full adult some of them are incredibly strong

[patent garden]

idk what tribals or merc will be like

[paper oriole]

The carni faction is so overplayed and it's unfortunately largely in part due to kids wanting to be “cool meat eater rawr xd” but then want spoon-fed AI and weak herbis

[sonic mural]

I usually just resort to killing other carni babies when I’m trying to grow since ai is nearly extinct

Since herbi juvies are pretty strong

[molten tulip]

Yeah thats mostly what its been

[mighty crater]

I mean, why doesn't food grow near water at all

[patent garden]

tbf the carni faction is also overplayed, yes due to "but its muh favorite dino" but also because hunting is simply the most interesting / exciting mechanic in the game right now

[mighty crater]

Are humans gonna get attack helicopters?

[patent garden]

lmao

mercs already have guns, i think that's op enough

maybe in modding though...

[worn pumice]

Bro I like how u’ll constantly see videos of lions killing Buffalos

But what they don’t tell u is how 75 - 80 percent of the time

The Buffalo lives

[patent garden]

i thought it was like 90%

like 1 in 10 hunts fail

[pale schooner]

They mentioned mercs possibly getting those really small copters

No mounted guns or anything tho

[mighty crater]

I want hydra rocket pods and agm-hellfires

[left nacelle]

@ashen wasp The skin system would invalidate that idea. Since you can create your own skins

[mighty crater]

Idk, map design feels really weak

Gotta run for so long between river and plant

[brave nova]

they wanna look badass while still being a carebear, like legacy

[mighty crater]

Meanwhile pteras move so fast and there food is in water

[left nacelle]

But pteras also have to manage their stamina and if they're spotted on the ground they're basically dead

[patent garden]

yeah i think a lot of people agree the map is pretty boring atm

they just got a new map designer tho so im thinking they're gonna try to include more interesting terrain

[left nacelle]

Map is boring atm, hence hwy they hired Jace, the level designer

Jace has made stuff for Ark iirc, and Ark has some really nice maps

[patent garden]

hm nice

i hope we get a canyon where quetz can nest on the walls

kinda like the wyvern thing back in the ark

[left nacelle]

I think ptera would be more likely to nest on the walls, considering ptera will also be able to cling onto walls in the future

[patent garden]

:,o i didnt know that

[wanton spire]

Idk about all the frustration with the map, I think it is very well done. Though I do have one issue. Been flying around as a pteranadon, checking out all the different locations.
One thing I have noticed is that in spectator mode, you see most players just hanging out around spawn zones, and while this is alright and to be expected, there is little incentive for players to reach deep edges of the map. Thus, there is a general highway path that must be taken if you would like to interact with other players.
I havent had too much of an issue myself, but I have noticed it when doing admin duties and thought it should be brought up. People see lush jungle and think it is all the same.

[patent garden]

i mean the map is beautiful, but it is fairly featureless compared to the isle v3 map, which had clear landmarks like herbi hill, port, twins, the great falls, etc.

i think that's what most people are missing when they make map suggestions

[worn pumice]

ptera seems like its invincible but its literally a piece of paper floating around

a fresh spawn juvi utah has a chance of killing an adult ptera

lol

[wanton spire]

If you take off from radio, you literally can go afk and make it to the other side of the map without running out of stam

[worn pumice]

ppl complaining about its stam?

[brave nova]

ptera is invincible because of its capacity to fly and hang around places the other dinos can't go, in addition to getting practically risk free food and water. Combat ability has nothing to do with it.

[brave nova]

I am, it depletes from just gliding around now. Imo it should either lose altitude or lose stam when gliding, not both.

[mighty crater]

I don't recall stam draining as long as camera is 0 degrees or less

[worn pumice]

hm

something to think about honestly

ptera should keep its low stam tho

its meant to be a fisher and a glider

[left nacelle]

It does? Since when? It shouldn't lose any stam as long as you aren't holding W

[patent garden]

it was changed fairly recently

ive literally had my hands off my keyboard and have had my stam deplete

[left nacelle]

Really? That is dumb

[patent garden]

its not too bad as an adult but its unbearable as a baby

especially since you drop so fast when you're gliding now

[left nacelle]

Oh, well if it's not as bad as adult then I guess it isn't too bad

[patent garden]

literally have to press space every 5 seconds if im not above the trees

even as an adult

im saying the stam isnt too bad as an adult

[left nacelle]

Yeah that's what I meant

[patent garden]

the fact that gliding sends you into the ground after 10 seconds if you're not spamming space is an issue

it's not like pteras are some great battle warriors whose presence destroys balance

they're also not as fat as quetz

[left nacelle]

Yeah that doesn't really make sense. I feel like thermals will help balance that out, but thermals aren't a thing yet so

[patent garden]

if quetz (which can actually hunt n stuff) takes more stam to fly? fine, great. literally the only thing you can do as ptera is fly

plus gliding is essentially our trot, it doesnt take stam for any other dino

[left nacelle]

Yeah, the gliding stam thing is kinda dumb. But if it mainly only effects juvies, I don't have much of an issue with it. I've played ptera multiple times in the past few days and haven't really noticed anything so

[patent garden]

it still affects adults tho

it makes flying a space-pressing sim

[left nacelle]

I haven't noticed honestly

And again, thermals will likely help balance it out

[odd sedge]

I actually didn't even notice and I almost only play Ptera.
I do notice how this becomes a challenge during skimming.
You drop down into the water easily if you don't watch to press space every second

I still hold the opinion that not pressing W while gliding should stop the evaluation from changing and gliding should not cost stamina, but I also don't think this will bother Ptera players too much since they can land in many high places

[worn pumice]

i just tested it now

gliding doesnt take stam

u do fall in altitude tho

[paper oriole]

what's so hard about up is north, down is south lol

[glad dirge]

ikr

[paper oriole]

honestly prefer the simplified compass without the letters

[glad dirge]

I aswell, makes it more subtle and fits with the whole style of scent

[paper oriole]

the up and down points are straightforward enough i don't get why so many suggestions have been made over time about it being confusing

[dark bronze]

Why do people think not losing all your 5 hour progress as an apex or whatnot is a bad idea? Probably server owners trying to suck everyone's wallet dry

[paper oriole]

freebies/extra lives upon death encourages reckless and toxic gameplay

which is not wanted

[dark bronze]

I don't think you get my concept

[paper oriole]

if you choose to grow a large dino you should be ready to have your time lost

[limber hull]

dude. it's a survival game. Apexes take long to grow for a reason, because they can clean house when fully grown. The penalty is there for a very good reason. If a T-Rex or Dieno can kick the shit out of everyone and then only lose 45 minutes and stay fully mature, they will be completely fucked

[paper oriole]

spawning in at 45min from full growth is basically an extra life

[tepid river]

In addition to what Miragaia said, larger creatures are meant to be higher risk higher reward. Sure, you might be a rex or a deino, very large and powerful creatures, but you have to play more carefully or risk losing all of that progress.

[dark bronze]

But EVRIMA will be about balance, not a Legacy Rex kinda deal

[limber hull]

i don't like servers which force you to pay to grow, think they're dumb as shit, so I play official and I have no problem with the growtimes, they balance it out

[paper oriole]

you should be encouraged to play carefully and weigh your decisions especially on stronger and more impactful dinosaurs, extra lives just makes the game more of a KFS brawl arena

[tepid river]

A huge issue servers with a life system has anyways is that people just spawn back in with that new life to wreck shop on whoever made them lose progress. That'd essentially be the same, because if you lose 45 minutes and that much growth, you could still destroy a pack/another player who is heavily injured

[dark bronze]

But losing 45 mins of progress every time you die means you will eventually be put back down into your place if you keep doing the whole KFS server thing

[paper oriole]

if you don't want to lose time after getting your ass beat as a rex or something just wait for sandbox to return

[limber hull]

why should smaller dinos be punished more for dying than bigger dinos? Why does dryo lose all it's progress, whereas the apex of the waters deino only loses a small fraction of it's total growth. Sounds really unfair to me

[paper oriole]

no need to tarnish survival where people shouldn't have a cushion to fall onto after making poor decisions on a powerful dino, this also discourages ecosystem balance

[dark bronze]

Smaller dinos have the shortest grow time + you want to stay small so you can escape into bushes

[limber hull]

it's a system that means that apexes will be the only viable characters. Screw playing smaller dinos, far more punishing, I'll play the big bois and clean house

[tepid river]

Say I'm a deino, and get killed by another deino. That other player is probably hurt to all hell from the fight. I spawn back in, but with 45 minutes less growth. That's still nearing maximum growth and hefty damage, and likely enough to kill the other person. Do you honestly think if that system was implemented, it wouldn't be a shitfest of people spawning back in specifically to kill those who attacked them?

[limber hull]

if you die with an apex and still get to stay an adult, who the fuck cares if you died since you're at your most vulnerable when newly spawned into the game

[paper oriole]

just wait for sandbox, there is literally no reason to add this aside from "i want to play big cool dino but not die while attacking people"

45 minutes is nothing

in the scheme of the 5-10hr growth

[tepid river]

exactly

[icy lion]

growth time and balance go hand-in-hand

[tepid river]

You can experience basically the exact same results by playing on Nycta or Nublar, where there's lives and bought grows.

[icy lion]

you give people the ability to spawn fully grown, you have to nerf the fuck out of the animal

[limber hull]

dying as an apex means something, it's a lot of time and power lost in an instant and it makes you cautious, even as the king of your environment. Take that away and prepare for dienos to play very very stupid and very annoying because they no longer feel compelled to stay alive and keep their strength

[dark bronze]

Omw, you people just don't get it

[limber hull]

then explain

because i'm only going off what you have said yourself

[paper oriole]

if you don't want the long grow time, just play small dinos. you don't deserve to play something that can easily take down other several hour grow dinos if you don't want to put the same effort in yourself

and if people only have to grow a rex once and then get shortened growth when they die there will be much fewer people playing smaller dinos and the ecosystem will be hot diarrhea like legacy where there is a rex or giga broadcast every 30 sec

does this sound fun?

[limber hull]

the reason you won't see apexes all the time in this game is because the time commitment and penalty when dying is massive. Only dedicated players will be playing apexes, which means that you don't get a complete overpopulation of stegos v carnos v dienos and literally no other creature.

take away that fear of death and penalty, and you've got yourself nothing but apex

[paper oriole]

idk why these people want to affect survival mode instead of just waiting for sandbox

[lapis tree]

Yeah

[tepid river]

Apexes and other large dinosaurs should have the massive penalties of losing 5+ hour growths if they mess up. Every other dinosaur if it screws up too badly, it dies. Shouldn't make apexes an exception.

[paper oriole]

jumping in sandbox and having a gory mosh pit with a bunch of huge dinos and fighting without penalty is fun but it should be kept well away from survival

[limber hull]

it's literally making the dinos that are the hardest to actually kill also the least affected by death

[paper oriole]

dont want some dumb kid with his giga rushing into a herd or pack and spam attacking just to be a dick because he knows he'll grow as fast as a dryo when he spawns back in

[tepid river]

exactly

[limber hull]

not just that, but when he spawns back in, he'll also keep a good fraction of his prior strength

as well as literally a full health, water and food restore

[tepid river]

that said, i do think we need an evrima sandbox mode/map just for that though. There are tons of players who do like to just facetank everyone repeatedly, and not having a way to do that with evrima's new mechanics and dinosaurs, they just go onto other survival servers

[paper oriole]

ab absolutely abhorrent idea that would do the opposite of what the game has been trying to do to fix legacy's rex plague

i want sandbox mode to screw around and get into free-for-al clusterfuck battles too, maybe global chat could be an option on those disaster servers too

then everyone can be happy

[tepid river]

id much rather have the clusterfuck be on a sandbox than the survival ones, at least then theres a spot to shuffle all those kinds of players

[paper oriole]

also those private servers with discord points or random free grows will no doubt still exist

[tepid river]

yeah

[paper oriole]

it should be kept out of officials and be kept out of server settings, just let admins grow all their little rex mains in their private legacy 2.0 servers

[tepid river]

an official deathmatch where you can spawn as whatever would be nice though, just use a blank map and let everyone test things and beat the holy hell out of each other as much as they want

[flat crypt]

im really holding out for sandbox/deathmatch soon

its a great way to learn to play a new dino

[paper oriole]

Footsteps are kinda weird, I feel louder running on a hypsi than i do on a carno. Maybe it's just because the cam placement though

[flat crypt]

you can hear footsteps from really far sometimes

ive flown high up above deinos walking in mud and its super loud, as if im flying only a metre or two about them

[barren zephyr]

dracken got fucking dogged on wow

[frank rampart]

there's steggos at the south spawn point everytime. they trap the crocs in the pond, they kill anyone spawning in as a carnivore and just hang around killing shit. in the next update can you throw in something to deter this?

No one messes with steggos so everyone plays them to be immortal assholes. they can kill full grown crocs cause even when grabbed the others will swing, lol.

Another thing, perhaps you've seen ther player movement maps or something...everyone hangs around rivers. there's a whole lotta dead zone

good game so far, just a bit unbearable atm

[barren zephyr]

@iron furnace Tierzoo ignores realism completely

it is about pitting animals as if they were pokemon cards or RPG characters

[iron furnace]

ok but this is a video game so i dont think that really matters right? i said it can act as inspiration, not as evidence

its actually perfect for developing a video game in my opinion, as u have to consider match ups over realism

[barren zephyr]

?

battle is more than just movesets

[iron furnace]

i dont really know what the problem is... i said it can act as inspiration for abilities

its worth checking out when developing a game

[tired torrent]

Devs need to change that fall damage on the carno. I barley went went over a tiny hump and it killed me. fix that asap man there should be no reason a full size carno cant take a mini hop that was forced. Not even realistic for a dino to die off a tiny little hump that made me hop just barley thats sad honestly. killing the fun and gameplay. I understand cliffs but come on man what a waste

[limber hull]

idk if it's already programmed like this, but fall damage should really scale with overall size. Like a big fuckin' dino falling off a small cliff should not make it die instantly

[tired torrent]

It wasn't even a cliff it was a small hump caught a little bit of air and dead on sight like wtf man how bad is this game. like how came up with that. no real big strong dino is dying from that little hump I wish i recorded that honestly it was so bad.

I died to cliff before which is far i caught huge air but this time was just unfair its like the scale is same for large cliff as is for a small little hump

[iron furnace]

they are working on fall damage i think in the fractures update

[tired torrent]

I sure hope

so

[ashen wasp]

This idea in meant to work in tandem with the skin system— you would have different variations of color to work with for your individual animals by default, but only by getting to Elder Dryosaurus would you unlock Dryosaurus Default Green for use on all species in the skin selector, etc.

[silent current]

unironic tierzoo suggestion

[sonic mural]

@dark bronze I hate to say it but that’s one of the worst ideas I’ve read in awhile

[golden beacon]

Nah there was one about a species limit so only a certain amount of that species can be on a server at a time

I would say that was the worst

[limber hull]

nah, still think that apexes only losing 45 minutes for death is worse than that, because at least that one encourages more species diversity, even if it does heavily restrict on player freedom

[golden beacon]

True but i mean think about new dinos and then species limits probably wont be able to play the new dinos for a while

[limber hull]

entirely fair

[golden beacon]

So they are just as bad i would say

[limber hull]

on the other hand, species limits being increased by nesting could be cool, but still too restrictive imho

[sonic mural]

True

[rare axle]

Sometimes I want to send a suggestion I worked on, but then I realise the number of suggestions being posted on a daily basis

And then I wonder, why bothering?

[dense vale]

true imagine being the person who supposed to listen to 500 contradicting things per day

[sonic mural]

[frank matrix]

Is my idea that bad

[glad dirge]

An hour of not smelling, drinking or fishing in ponds or large waterways, unless its very infrequent, it's just a mass killing that seems unnecessary

[sonic mural]

Lmao

Yea idk how I would survive that

[frank matrix]

It's happens once a week

[urban flax]

Safelog

[glad dirge]

I'd rather have the admin ability to kamikaze lightning smite people

[urban flax]

@fading fjord Sick dinos would be a prey of choice for predators, not the other way around

I know this game isn't a simulator, but irl most predators don't really care if their prey is diseased

[fading fjord]

How do you know its sick?

[fading fjord]

Thats my point

[urban flax]

I think dinos already look paler when they're sick

I mean they don't care in the sense they can eat it without consequences

[glad dirge]

Why purpose would it server besides debuffs to consumers

[fading fjord]

havent played the game 2 get that stuff, but 👍

[urban flax]

In real life, sick animals are the first ones to get eaten

They're a prey of choice

[fading fjord]

if its easier, benefits should be lower?

[urban flax]

I don't think so

[fading fjord]

Exactly, and the little ones

[urban flax]

Not to the point you get debuffs from eating them anyway

This is a survival game, you gotta be rewarded for picking the easier fights and caring about your own survival

[fading fjord]

We should benefit more from a healthy prey, imo

[urban flax]

I don't think so

[glad dirge]

There's already getting preferred food

[urban flax]

This gives players a reason to attack healthy prey rather than weakened one, which is counter-intuitive

[glad dirge]

^

[fading fjord]

bravery needs 2 be compensated gamewise

[fading fjord]

debatable

[fading fjord]

besides hunger, thirst or whatever predators need to fill also their blooodlust

4 perks or something else

the game is like a "tutorial" till you get 2 Elder and then the real game starts, and all things change?

[turbid hinge]

what dinos do you guys think should have fracture (other than pachy) I feel like Deino could do a fracture considering its bite force. Maybe Teno does a minor fracture with its tail slam to the head. And maybe like carno if it charges?

[odd sedge]

Cerato and Anky

[urban flax]

Rex

[turbid hinge]

yea but of the cast that we have right now

[worn pumice]

why would u wanna attack a healthy animal lol

[turbid hinge]

cause fracture is coming out before pachy so I feel like some dinos might have it

[worn pumice]

attack the weakend one

[urban flax]

fractures are coming out with pachy

[worn pumice]

isnt that like the whole point as well for preds

[turbid hinge]

nah fractures are update 4 and pachy is update 4.5

[carmine path]

This

[urban flax]

You don't reward bravery in a survival game, you reward care and prudence

[worn pumice]

^

u want an easy meal not a hard one

[carmine path]

I have no idea what prudence is cause big words but I agree 😅

[worn pumice]

its basically just caution

basically u reward being careful

[carmine path]

Thank you 🙏🏻

[urban flax]

Prudence is a big word ? Oh yeah the usual one for english is caution

Because prudence is also the french word for caution

[worn pumice]

also yea pachy is coming after fractures

[carmine path]

Ima gonna see a whole lot of Pachys after Update 4.5 and just see em all whacking anything next to em

[hybrid matrix]

@wary sparrow you know you can just swim away right?

[worn pumice]

instead of utah mega packs u'll have pachy mega packs

imagine

lol

[brave nova]

@tulip flame First person would be nice, especially when looking for prey hiding in bushes. I think I read somewhere in the past that it's a pain to get the camera to follow the head of a dino swinging back and forth, and they're therefore not likely to ever add it.

[carmine path]

God damn Hype Trains that is why Deino is cancer rn

[worn pumice]

^

its also why deino has so much cannibalism

[wary sparrow]

@hybrid matrix yeah swim away when i turned around to it pretty much in my face and died in 3 hits so no time to react? good idea.

[hybrid matrix]

3 hits and no time to react?
maybe this isnt the game you should be playing

3 hits is more than enough time for you to escape

especially if u have the speed advantage

[worn pumice]

im go confused

were u a deino?

[hybrid matrix]

probably

[wary sparrow]

@hybrid matrix not if your stuck in the stego

[hybrid matrix]

deino is like the only thing that can survive 3 hits from a stego

[hybrid matrix]

why would u ever be stuck in a stego

[worn pumice]

how'd u get stuck in the stego in the first place?

[hybrid matrix]

if u got stuck in the stego then thats ur fault

[worn pumice]

were u waddling on land?

[barren zephyr]

@wary sparrow

…… why didnt you swim away?

also deino can kill stego easily if its good

[wary sparrow]

because i seen a carno baiting a baby deino in the shallow water so i got closer to say he was baiting on my way back a stego was just running at me on the edge of the water

[barren zephyr]

you’re fault for going in shallow water

[wary sparrow]

also a deino cannot 1v1 a stego unless he is ass

[worn pumice]

no

[barren zephyr]

he can

[worn pumice]

a good deino with the new changes

[barren zephyr]

Deinos lunge can stun stego

[worn pumice]

can easily kill a stego everytime

[barren zephyr]

then it can alt bite its head for a ez 5 tap

[wary sparrow]

stun is a thing?

[hybrid matrix]

u didnt have to go to the baby deino to tell it that
u couldve told it from where u were lmao

[barren zephyr]

yeah

[worn pumice]

Im pretty sure the deino not getting stunned too is an unintended side effect

[hybrid matrix]

it has BEEN a thing since update 2

[worn pumice]

theres also invisible deinos

[wary sparrow]

derptah why are you assuming ive played since then?

[barren zephyr]

well

if you’re going to say “X can only beat Y if Y is bad”

then most would assume youve been playing for a bit

since thats a pretty bold statement on balance

[hybrid matrix]

a VERY bold statement

[wary sparrow]

so because i said something is op that means ive been playing a while?

[barren zephyr]

eh ask derptah

Im just saying I understand why he assumed

[wary sparrow]

i dont

[barren zephyr]

and stego isnt OP

[worn pumice]

imo stego is one of the worst dinos to play rn

[wary sparrow]

according to half the servers it is

[odd sedge]

How is stego op?

[worn pumice]

half the servers dont know wtf their doing

[barren zephyr]

those guys suck

most experienced players know how to counter stego

[worn pumice]

a good deino can kill a stego almost everytime

[still raptor]

Stego isnt op

[barren zephyr]

you shouldn’t balance around players being shit

[still raptor]

This game has a high skill cap and huge learning curve

[barren zephyr]

^

I wouldn't say high skill cap but it's definitely not low.

[fading fjord]

That was just me quoting, Bear Grylls

[wary sparrow]

exactly so what your saying is only people who have played a while have a chance so new players just die

[worn pumice]

what

[barren zephyr]

It's a learning experience dude

[barren zephyr]

I mean....... sort of

[wary sparrow]

good to know.

[still raptor]

If you understand the fundamentals of each animal and how it works, you should be fine. Literally didn’t touch deino during the beta but when the update released I was really good at it. It’s because I knew how the creature worked.

[quartz lantern]

i mean, you learn by failing...that's life

fail, learn, fail learn

[fading fjord]

[odd sedge]

Well I mean what do you expect?
If you want to have a “press lmb to win“ game, go to legacy

[wary sparrow]

yeah apart from the fact u have to wait 5hours before u even have a chance

[hybrid matrix]

hey im back

[barren zephyr]

the isles learning curve is like this

[fading fjord]

Legacy is like elementary school, now come to EVRIMA aka Higschool Big bois League

[worn pumice]

ebic draWing

[quartz lantern]

in legacy, i didn't get a fully grown giga/rex until i'd played for a few days.

i'm not even that great at the game

[barren zephyr]

watch youtube videos

and player smaller dinos

to get a basic understanding

[odd sedge]

Wait until nesting is a thing, then you have other players mothering you until you are an adult

[quartz lantern]

But i learned that wandering aimlessly, unaware of my surroundings, was gonna get me killed a lot faster than just sitting and creeping around undetected.

[barren zephyr]

big boys like setgo/deino are meant for decent players

[still raptor]

I hated growing apexes because of how easy it was. Not fun as growing a raptor or an allo and running shit down

[fading fjord]

Legacy is ez

[hybrid matrix]

i had to tell some kid why a robot causing more property damage than a giant monster is stupid

[worn pumice]

huh

[still raptor]

Gvk

[hybrid matrix]

close
pacific rim uprising

[still raptor]

Ah

[worn pumice]

hate that movie

[still raptor]

Havent seen a pacific rim movie in ages

[worn pumice]

felt like a bigger version of power rangers

[still raptor]

It is lmao

[worn pumice]

the original was good

[wary sparrow]

it would make it easier if they added something that explained what certain attacks do so the new players have a better understanding

[worn pumice]

it felt like an actual big robot

the sequel tho is just so

eh

[barren zephyr]

that used to be a thing

they might come back

[worn pumice]

there is supposed to be a UI overhaul

[barren zephyr]

Oh yeah ^ this

[hybrid matrix]

when it came out i was old enough to appreciate pacific rim but not old enough to understand why teenagers piloting robots as a sequal sucks

[worn pumice]

so stuff like that will most likely come back

[wary sparrow]

hopefully because i dint even learn alt attack till yesterday

[glad dirge]

It was meh

[fading fjord]

i remenber the 1st time "snipe kicking" an austro as galli, from miles away, miiiiiiles away not the usual "Legacy Shotgun" and i was like huh? 🤣 🤣 #BruceGalli #LegacyShotgun

[hybrid matrix]

#you'respendingtoomuchtimeontwitter

[fading fjord]

wrong

#YourWrong

🤪

[hybrid matrix]

#you're*

[fading fjord]

#Bye

[hybrid matrix]

#cya

[quartz lantern]

[hybrid matrix]

greetings madam cheese

[quartz lantern]

hi hi

[strange wave]

dare i ask what in the fuck is going on here

[still raptor]

Death

[hybrid matrix]

some kid was whining about stego being good against deino

[worn pumice]

the isle

[wary sparrow]

@hybrid matrix kid xD at least i learned something just like you learned how to be an Ahole

[barren zephyr]

dos someone know how to get the crocodile be cos i cant find it in sandbox

[strange wave]

i guess i know who the kid is now

[hybrid matrix]

woah holy shit
this is such a good comeback
you deserve a fucking medal

[barren zephyr]

pls

[strange wave]

its only on evrima, legacy doesnt have any of the new dinosaurs

[hybrid matrix]

yeah a sock full of oranges could take a 3rd grade math test and get a higher score than you @wary sparrow

[strange wave]

pfft

[barren zephyr]

evrima

?

[wary sparrow]

Was i supposed to be offended or laugh because i did neither

[strange wave]

do you know how to switch branches with steam? @barren zephyr

[barren zephyr]

how to get the oder won den?

no

im new in dis server

[strange wave]

alright

you go onto your steam library
right click on the isle
go into properties
then betas
then where it says none, select evrima

[barren zephyr]

?

[hybrid matrix]

ah its just as well
shouldnt have said that in such a complex way

[strange wave]

i just gave you a step by step guid eon getting into evrima if you want to play as the corc

[barren zephyr]

but i neet to go eet now so pls help me later

[strange wave]

wh

[barren zephyr]

What is this chat today

[still raptor]

Middle school roast session

[hybrid matrix]

so far im the only one who's put any real effort into a roast

[wary sparrow]

i was not trying to roast i was just talking about a dino that i thought was op to get other peoples opinions and i did i found out it isnt op but its like someone got touched by there uncle and was being a D about it

[hybrid matrix]

bold of you to assume that my uncle was the one who initiated

[wary sparrow]

i mean why else would you be a D you know what they say you are what you eat

[somber parrot]

Hoy, you guys gonna have to chill

[worn pumice]

bruh

yall still fighting?

[still raptor]

Sadly

[somber parrot]

Take it do dm's, or just stop fully.

[worn pumice]

[barren zephyr]

Middle school toast session lmfao

[worn pumice]

lol

[wary sparrow]

nah im good now

[barren zephyr]

fuck i meant roast

[still raptor]

Hello mei

[worn pumice]

toast

[hybrid matrix]

yes

[tidal rose]

toast stinks

[carmine path]

It was getting interesting

[odd sedge]

@lilac plume

No, this shouldn't be a thing, because permanent debuffs are something no one will like.
You should not get punished for surviving an attack.
Also, most people would just kill their dino off if they got a permanent fracture. Because again, no one wants to play with a perma debuff

Same goes for ripping off limbs

No one wants to play worm simulator after a carno mauled your utah

[carmine path]

Diets are gonna kick everyones ass

[still raptor]

People will complain that they died because they didn’t follow their diets

[hybrid matrix]

are you gonna get sick if you eat something that isnt in ur diet?

[still raptor]

Carnis will naturally have a less strictly based diet system than herbis

[worn pumice]

depends

[lilac plume]

It was just a thought and I was thinking more very slight speed decrease and to punish people who continue running on a broken leg

[urban flax]

That's still an unenjoyable thing

[hybrid matrix]

i think you definitely should be able to run with a fracture, however the fracture should get worse the more you run

[urban flax]

A permanent debuff in a survival game is absolutely and objectively wrong

[hybrid matrix]

i think if you take small amounts of damage while running on a fractured leg then it would be better than getting slowed down

[carmine path]

Why would you take dmg

[hybrid matrix]

have you ever tried to move a broken bone?

hell

[carmine path]

Im not brain dead so i never broke one

[urban flax]

Because the bones splinter into your own flesh ?

[lilac plume]

Or maybe the fracture gets worse till you cant walk and have to heal

[hybrid matrix]

its only small amounts of dmg bc realistically u'd have so much adrenaline pumping thru you that it wouldnt hurt at all

[hybrid matrix]

so legacy giga hunting strat but with bones?

[swift dew]

well just because something doesn't hurt doesn't mean it isnt damaged

[urban flax]

I don't like that it deals damage a lot
Because anything that deals damage can kill
So you could die by running with a broken leg

[hybrid matrix]

exactly why u take dmg

[urban flax]

That feels a little too extreme

If it only increases severity of the fracture it's ok

[hybrid matrix]

this is what im thinking

[mental marlin]

[desert rain]

any1 knows if its a bug that stego can kill utah after utah ends a pounce on him? bcs as of right now stego can 1 tap utah after pouncing

[hybrid matrix]

so dont pounce stegos

dont attack stegos

ur a utah

[swift dew]

its not a bug its just that utahs have no way to end a pounce effecitvly. they should get a kickback so they can jump off

[hybrid matrix]

its a stego

[sonic mural]

Utahs got one of the best chances of killing a stego tbh

Except for the whole getting stabbed when u dismount

[desert rain]

??? like utahs are supposed to do it?

[mental marlin]

nah , easily the croc has the easiest chance

[sonic mural]

Yea utahs got 2nd

[swift dew]

"one of"

[hybrid matrix]

yeah and lions are supposed to fight elephants

[mental marlin]

nope croc (atm) is just the best at it

[desert rain]

its a game bud i feel like u taking it too far now

[sonic mural]

Yea but most croc players just die bcuz they don’t know how to kill one

[hybrid matrix]

i mean
ur complaining that a utahraptor cant fight a stegosaurus
thats pretty far

anyway

[sonic mural]

It can

[desert rain]

stego is a pretty easy kill for a utah, im just talking about pouncing and getting tail slammed

[sonic mural]

Yep

[worn pumice]

it was an easy kill

[hybrid matrix]

u dont have to pounce it then

[mental marlin]

stego vs utah might just be the most enjoyable fight in evrima , for both sides

[worn pumice]

new changes made it much better tho

[carmine path]

Still is if you got 5utahs that aren’t stupid

[worn pumice]

tru tru

[sonic mural]

Yes u do the only way utahs can kill it is wihh the the pounce

[desert rain]

bruh u being serious rn?

[brave nova]

you don't, but it would be nice if the signature move was actually viable for it's intended function

[worn pumice]

dont pounce a stego if ur solo

[barren zephyr]

dos someone know how to get the crocodile be cos i cant find it in sandb

[worn pumice]

if u dismount and the stego times it

u will die

[hybrid matrix]

are you?
ur saying that u cant escape a pounce from a stego bc the stego kills u if u try to
two simple solutions
dont fight a stego
or just dont pounce the stego

[carmine path]

I will explain in dms

[barren zephyr]

dos someone know how to get the crocodile be cos i cant find it in sandbax

ok

[carmine path]

What did i just say

[worn pumice]

one utah shouldnt even be tryna kill a stego

ever

[sonic mural]

Did u update ur game bro

[barren zephyr]

it dos not se it neet a update

[sonic mural]

Are u in legacy?

[brave nova]

both lazy and bad solutions. The whole idea with the pounce is to use it against larger opponents

[barren zephyr]

legacy? what dat

[desert rain]

never got pounced by a stego thats for sure, i asked if its a bug (what im quite sure is) that u get tail slammed by stego after u release pounce, kinda makes no sense imo

[barren zephyr]

o bayt the game on steam

[carmine path]

Ronin are you old enough for the Steam TOS

[barren zephyr]

tos?

[hybrid matrix]

yeah i understand the point of the pounce
but u dont have to use it against something as strong as a stego

[carmine path]

Ima take that as a no

[brave nova]

some of us are trying to discuss the general feedback here, guys

[barren zephyr]

im 12 jaars old

[hybrid matrix]

oof

[worn pumice]

one utah rly shouldnt be even trying to go for a stego

at all

[carmine path]

We got a rule breaker on our hands huh

[worn pumice]

lol

[barren zephyr]

?

[hybrid matrix]

depending on where they live its also against the law

in some places u legally cannot own a social media account if ur under the age of 13

[brave nova]

You should have to use it, at the moment it's much better to just pretend you're a carno and go for headshots. This is not how it should be

[barren zephyr]

i life in nl

[desert rain]

ye best solution is to play utah and eat grass

[carmine path]

Heh

[sonic mural]

[hybrid matrix]

or you can fight a teno

[desert rain]

nah im fine with herbi utah

[sonic mural]

Teno aren’t always around

Stegos are mostly played than teno

[glad dirge]

I rarely see tenos tbh, it's always carnos

[carmine path]

Little to no teno players

[hybrid matrix]

this is why carnos exist

[sonic mural]

Yep

[brave nova]

stego is a much easier fight than teno, but that doesn't have much to do with the intended tactic against stego not being viable

[hybrid matrix]

carnos are there for utahs to kill if there are no tenos around

[barren zephyr]

so how do i cat crocodile?

[glad dirge]

Carnos are a bit difficult to kill unless you land the pounces

To bleed it out

[carmine path]

Do you know what steam is

[barren zephyr]

yes

[hybrid matrix]

is someone gonna call a mod or do i have to do it

[carmine path]

Do you know where your game library is on steam

[sonic mural]

Carnos almost always kill a Utah especially if it’s not 100% grown

[desert rain]

atm utahs cant really fight carnos if its more than 1 of them tbh, if u dont pounce him he will m1 spam u out or just run away if hes low hp

[hybrid matrix]

why would u ever fight a carno if u arent fully grown

[barren zephyr]

no

[hybrid matrix]

aight ig ima call a mod

[desert rain]

in a utah v carno 1v1 carno wins 19/20 times prob

[hybrid matrix]

<@&401466542140817419> we got an under-age kid here

[sonic mural]

It’s just like u said right?carnos are there when teno aren’t around 🙂

[carmine path]

RIP kid i tried

[worn pumice]

thats the point tho one utah is prey for carno

[carmine path]

Good luck Ronin

[barren zephyr]

why

[hybrid matrix]

bold of you to assume that the carno is fully grown

[desert rain]

ik, hes saying that utahs should fight carnos doe

[glad dirge]

Okay but carnos dominate over utahs unless it's a 1 v 3

[brave nova]

tenos are actually hard to kill though, and why are we even bringing up tenos when it's the utah vs stego matchup that is broken?

[barren zephyr]

i surt it op on yt but i cant find it

[sonic mural]

If it’s around the same age the carno could kill it

[worn pumice]

oh well i mean if ur like 2-3 utahs u could fight a carno

one utah should stick to like

[sonic mural]

Yea

[glad dirge]

Unless you ambush it and land the pounces it's hard to win against carno with only 2

[worn pumice]

dryos

[hybrid matrix]

and ur saying that a utah should be able to kill a stego

[mental marlin]

you are a single raptor fighting a 6 ton herbivore , tf did you think is gonna happen

[sonic mural]

Exactly it should lol

[desert rain]

the problem with it is if u pounce him and hes low hp then he just runs away and outruns you escaping u easily

[mental marlin]

whats next you want to fight crocs 1 on 1 and win?

as a uTaH

[worn pumice]

ig but u can track it

[sonic mural]

U gotta track them

[worn pumice]

carno has low stam now

[hybrid matrix]

you just said that a 500 Kg animal should be able to kill a 6 ton animal

[desert rain]

u can track it but u low stam after pounce

anyways went kinda offtopic

[sonic mural]

With enough pack members it should be able to this is a game for gods sake and that’s how Utah’s usually kill stegos in this game it’s not impossible

[worn pumice]

ye ig u'll be low after pounce thats a good point

[hybrid matrix]

yeah in a PACK

[mental marlin]

so pls stop begging for the carnivores you like to get buffed just because you suck at playing them

[brave nova]

Are you thick? If anything it's too easy for utahs to kill stegos, a single utah can easily do it, but it's done using bites and not the pounce which is the problem

[sonic mural]

Yea I wasn’t trying to say a utah should solo one

[mental marlin]

thats what im saying dude

[desert rain]

i feel like carno should have a small debuff if utah pounces him so he cant escape so easily dunno

[mental marlin]

are you thick? :p

[hybrid matrix]

except u did

thats exactly wut u said

anyway

[sonic mural]

Once again I wasn’t TRYING to say that so sorry if I did

[hybrid matrix]

better topic (since insults are being thrown around now)
running with fractures

[carmine path]

I helped that kid and he blocks me after i help him what kinda shit is this

[hollow minnow]

[mental marlin]

the isle community

[sonic mural]

Indeed

[desert rain]

like bruv lemme explain it to you @hybrid matrix , if utah pounces stego and ends the pounce, stego can tailslam u what is probably not intended - so its a bug and u arguing that its ok like wut?

[mental marlin]

i got a suggestion for ya , you should have to have atleast more then 10 braincells to be allowed to type in feedback channels , little timmies can go cry about their dumb crocs on nyctas server not here

[sonic mural]

They need to add a test map like they did for kegacy

[carmine path]

I love kegacy

You fixed it i see

[sonic mural]

Yea kegacy is a 🐐

[glad dirge]

I loved legacy, now I like evrima better

[desert rain]

utahs are supposeed to hunt stegos, herbivores

[carmine path]

Dilo PTSD

[mental marlin]

i know this mindblowing trick to never die to a stego as a utah... dont attack them

[glad dirge]

Bonebreak PTSD

[sonic mural]

A pack of them should

[desert rain]

cool but like whos asking how to not die to a stego?

[mental marlin]

you are you ignorant dummy ;)

[brave nova]

you'd go hungry, a better trick is bait their swing and bite them in the back of the head

[glad dirge]

Sometimes I like to convince pack members to try hunting stego and then sit back and watch them all burn

[mental marlin]

and they do for the most part

[sonic mural]

U evil😂

[brave nova]

you all acting like it's hard for raptors to kill stegos

[desert rain]

so by ur logic utahs shouldnt attack stegos and become herbivores bcs u can risk dying by doing so, and utahs shouldnt use pounce mechanic what gives them a chance to fight other dinos

[mental marlin]

is the concept of hunting litterally anything else that hard for your tiny brain to conprehend?

[brave nova]

that's not what the pounce does though, gives the other dinos a free shot at you instead

the meta way to kill stegs is by not pouncing at all

[desert rain]

yes exactly, and like shouldnt it get fixed or so