I agree with this
#general-feedback-discussion
normal shuttle
paper oriole
Its good for spitting at basking deinos
urban flax
I guess they might rework it when they implement its growth cycle ? For now devs don't really care since it has pretty much to value
normal shuttle
The problem with hypsi is that it is too small, so it gets bodied pretty hard by everything
urban flax
That's not like dying as a hypsi makes you lose any progress
normal shuttle
IMO
mighty crater
What's the point of its slow fall description
Is it gonna climb trees or something
urban flax
Its slow fall description ? Where did you read that ?
mighty crater
Something about being light and feathered
Maybe it was someone embellishing the wiki
tepid gate
@slender spear Deino doesn't really need any buffs against Stego as it is. And it most certainly shouldn't be able to incapacitate Stego's main tool of defense.
teal parrot
Issues that rankle my neurons when:
Playing as a carno. Charging feels like a super sprint, not a charge. Way too maneuverable, too little stamina drain.
Playing as a Utah and magically learning to pounce once I’m full grown, but being totally incapable of behaving like my species before that.
Playing as a stego, and magically impaling things my tail never physically touched.
Playing ANYTHING, and watching my heart, my vital organs get ripped out through my tail, by some Dino nipping at my heels. 😂
tepid gate
Stamina drain on Carno is really fast atm. You can charge for iiirc 15 seconds in one go at most.
tepid gate
"if i recall correctly"
teal parrot
Ah ty
tepid gate
anyways I wouldn't use charge at all unless I'm certain I can hit something and even then I'd use it at last moment
atm it can get you killed rather easily if you use it from afar
teal parrot
That’s a long time. 15 seconds is super lengthy.
tepid gate
the moment you run out of stamina against e.g. Tenonto you're just dead
No it's not. No person is going to sprint for 15 seconds
the turn rate is also significantly worse than normal running
Hell I see a lot of people asking if anyone even uses charge as Carno since it's a rather underwhelming ability
teal parrot
Here’s what I would do. Reduce the turn radius to 5 degrees in either direction. Once you start the charge, ur locked into that trajectory limit. I’d make it take more stamina too. You would run out of steam in 10 seconds of nonstop charging.
And then I would beef up the damage a bit more. Maybe 20%. Make it hit harder and be more worthwhile to land a good head butt.
tepid gate
That's a bad change overall - this is already an extremely niche ability that gets used once in a blue moon during my time in both open beta and update 3 I haven't had a single Carno who would try to charge me during a fight
why would you nerf one of the weakest special attacks in the game?
paper oriole
ok what game with skin customization hasn't already taken inspiration form tigers and leopards/jaguars lmao
not to be mean but those two are like a coupl eof the most overused inspirations
minor monolith
honestly ive seen a lot of random critters but we should really look at land based birds imo
paper oriole
yeah im sure the devs and everybody else knows what tigers and leopards look like, many obscure birds and reptiles have cool ass designs that could be offere dup
minor monolith
paper oriole
also diamond back rattlesnakes are already widely known as well
minor monolith
like this - wonderful pheasant
paper oriole
these are very mainstream animals in the suggestion
minor monolith
good camo but also includes bright colors, including iridescence
paper oriole
yeah that skin would look hot on a velo
teal parrot
That's a bad change overall - this is already an extremely niche ability that ge...
I wouldn’t nerf it. It’s underpowered already. I would buff it, while making it actually have the damage AND utility of a charge.
tepid gate
The ability doesn't need damage though
You wanted to nerf Carno's ability to turn while performing it and increase the stamina cost - both of these are large issues to how the skill works
nobody uses the charge to deal damage to their target
it's not what this ability is for
paper oriole
they should leave charge's damage or what ever alone and instead make it so charge can yeet small dinos so carnos can ue it to launch people off cliffs or into lakes if they release at the right time 
teal parrot
By utility I mean, I’d make it categorically a CHARGE ability, not a super sprint ability, which it is right now. It’s kind straddling the fence as far as abilities go.
IF the stamina drain is an issue for you, I suggest one of two things. Try playing raptor and pouncing. THAT ability is tough. Second, I’d say maybe nix the stamina drain increase and only implement the turn radius narrowing.
And lastly, I know how the charge was used before update 3, it was used as a super sprint. The whole point is to prevent its use as a super sprint and make it an offensive ability.
paper oriole
what could have been
minor monolith
release-to-land attacks should be more common
I think deino and (eventually, a long ways down the road) should rex get it
for bites in this case, not a head-butt
tepid gate
By utility I mean, I’d make it categorically a CHARGE ability, not a super sprin...
It isn't though. Utah's pounce is ridiculously easy to use and it's a much better ability all around when compared to the charge. Utah without the pounce is kind of a garbage animal. Carno on the other hand - if you took out its charge - would still play pretty much the same way.
teal parrot
release-to-land attacks should be more common
Totally agree. I made this suggestion months ago.
tepid gate
If somebody uses charge to sprint then that person has to l2p
That was the predominant use of its ability back during update 2 when it didn't burn much stam and Carno could run for ages
atm using charge to move faster is just an incredibly stupid thing to do
In general your whole feedback on it seems to be some 1 month too late.
teal parrot
It isn't though. Utah's pounce is ridiculously easy to use and it's a much bette...
Utah without the pounce is garbage I agree. Which is why I have such an issue with it being adult only.
But I disagree that it is easy. It is not easy, due to lag and desync, and when you finally land a pounce, the stamina drain is magnificent. It’s not problematic tho, I think it should be well balanced like this as far as stamina drain. But carno, I can spam that charge all day compared to the Utah pounce.
edit
Ok I submit that I have not played carno since update 3, I was unaware of the Stan burn change. My bad bro.
tepid gate
The only reason Utah can't spam pounce atm is because it has a moment of recovery if it misses. Back when Utah got released I've actively used pounce to travel around the map. It didn't burn much stamina at all(it still doesn't, it's just that if you miss it you might put yourself in a bad spot during a fight, then again hitting the pounce is not difficult at all).
teal parrot
Unless they made more changes, you absolutely cannot afford to miss your pounce, and once ur latched on, you burn stam like an 18 wheeler. You can actually afford to miss ur first pounce only. That one is free. During a hunt, a missed pounce can cost you 20% of ur stam if ur also sprinting and juking.
cyan flame
I have no idea where you get that idea from, from my testing with pounce, it does not cost that much to use, or while pouncing, unless the prey is bucking which, well yes, no shit you'll burn stamina then, that's the point.
teal parrot
Also of note with the Utah is that in practice, (with an empty server running at full performance) I agree pounce is moderately easy to learn to use. But one a full server with lags and desync, it’s nearly impossible to learn to land pounces consistently. Because the lag and desync constantly change the timing.
Well yeah, I’m assuming the prey is bucking, I’ve never hunted bad players before. Lol. It’s always been a matter of timing. Land the pounce, do as much damage as possible before bingo stam or a tree. Lol
tepid gate
I've played Utah two days ago on a full server. I've had 0 issues landing it on just about any terrestrial animal I've encountered. Admittedly I haven't tried pouncing Hypsis and Dryos
teal parrot
Well, if they're bucking, it's working as intended.
Yes I agree. Don’t get me wrong I’m not criticizing pounce balance. I think it’s exceptionally good. My issues with pounce are the difficulty when there’s lag, and the fact you can’t use it till ur 100%.
tepid gate
Not to mention hitting the pounce wasn't difficult even back when the game and the servers performed much worse atm they work much better so I don't see how it could be any harder to hit now than it was a couple of months back.
cyan flame
Yes I agree. Don’t get me wrong I’m not criticizing pounce balance. I think it’s...
Yeh, the 100% growth is odd. But that's an game issue of some sort, that they hopefully can figure out. Not that I imagine pouncing as a juvie will do you any good really, except maybe on baby dryos and hypsis possibly :p
tepid gate
You can't use pounce until you're fully grown because the game has difficult properly placing smaller Utahs on other animals iirc
teal parrot
I was comparing utahs pounce stamina costs and other usage challenges with carnos charge ability. I thought charge was OP and one dimensional. I may be wrong because I learned they increased the stamina drain of charge in update 3.
teal parrot
You can't use pounce until you're fully grown because the game has difficult pro...
Yes that’s what I heard.
tepid gate
I've used it in one instance since I've started playing open beta and update 3. Not long ago I had a discussion with one guy who claimed it was the worst ability in the game(it's not but it's still pretty bad).
Dryo's dodge still remains worse than the charge though, same goes for the Hypsi spit
teal parrot
I think it’s a problem they need to fix. What if they increased the knockdown chance of charge? You know what I better play carno and test it more before I make any more critiques or suggestions for the charge ability.
tepid gate
There's no knockdown chaance
You just knockdown things or you don't
Anything with weight smaller than you will get knocked down, things your own weight get staggered and those bigger than you cause the charge to deal damage to you and stun you
teal parrot
Maybe charge could be used together
Like two carnos charging a stego knocks it down
Or threee
teal parrot
Maybe.
tepid gate
if you charge a Stego you will stun yourself, so the first carno that runs in would get itself pretty much killed or almost killed
teal parrot
Two charging a temo would be possible
tepid gate
The only match up where you might want to try charging someone is Carno vs Tenonto - if you hit the charge there you will have won the fight
You don't need two. One Carno kills a Tenonto if it hits the charge
teal parrot
One hit?
tepid gate
The tenonto in question would have to be asleep to get hit with it but that's a different story
No
You just knock it down on the ground - by the time it gets up it will be way too hurt to fight back
teal parrot
Follow up bites you mean.
tepid gate
Yea
teal parrot
Why so hard to hit the charge?
tepid gate
If you miss it though - it will very likely kill you if its good
Awful turn rate during it. I've walked out of the way of Carnos charging me as a Tenonto back during update 2
teal parrot
Wow
tepid gate
*trotted
teal parrot
I’ve had carnos charge me in update two, and literally follow me while I was sprinting, closing distance and landing a charge. This was before I learned to juke.
tepid gate
I just can't imagine someone getting hit with it unless they are having a dc, or they're not looking around at all
That's because the only thing charge was useful for was running in a straight line(well there was also a bug that allowed you to turn in place with the charge but it got fixed, thankfully, so I'm not surprised people would run you down with it).
As it is in the match up against Tenonto if you miss the charge as Carno you have a high chance of dying
You will have burnt so much stamina that the Tenonto can try to run you down and when you run out of stamina completely it can just stun you and murder you
teal parrot
Oooooh thats why! That’s why some I could dodge (before I learned to juke) and others would run me down, even after I learned to juke it would be a challenge with some players.
tepid gate
Therefore the charge is a double edged sword, kind of like Utah's pounce with its recovery time
teal parrot
Ya makes sense
I will test it out more. Teno is super hard tho. As a Utah, I always said between carno and teno, carno was the far easier prey.
tepid gate
Carno's generally heavily nerfed compared to its state in update 2 you should play it to see for yourself. Stamina isn't the only thing that's been changed about it
teal parrot
Oh gosh ok I’m going to play carno now! Lol
teal parrot
Carno's generally heavily nerfed compared to its state in update 2 you should pl...
Well ur right my dude, I don’t think carnos are OP anymore. The charge turn radius is lowered a lot, stam drain is increased. I like it.
severe dove
@idle echo grouping is really screwed up right now i always spend 30-40 mins restarting trying to group up with my gf
idle echo
Grouping works perfectly for me for the first time after i log in. If i leave that group and try to make/enter a new one, it simply doesnt work
timber mesa
@weary mountain ok
compact hare
this game never had passion imo, Legacy was, is and will ever be a shitty version of the game
timber mesa
But Evrima 
smoky surge
To be fare there are some balance issues, not nearly bad as before though
compact hare
But Evrima <:TI_WeSmart:464844598905405450>
yes 
weary mountain
what bout evirma
timber mesa
Much better than legacy
minor monolith
dinosaurs handle much better
tawny juniper
@barren zephyr Do you realize how small current mammals are compared to most dinosaurs
minor monolith
thats for sure
weary mountain
What?
tawny juniper
A tenno fighting a pack of wolves is like fighting large dryos
minor monolith
no wonky twirling with alt turn in place
weary mountain
the controls are the same
timber mesa
More mechanics, the movement is better, just overall better
minor monolith
I actually make a tight circle
timber mesa
the controls are the same
Are you serious
minor monolith
no it doesnt, youre taking the piss lmao
compact hare
Movement, style, wallow, scent, combat, all better
timber mesa
I don’t think this guy has even played Evrima
weary mountain
O but we will gloss over the fact that its literally a shit map that doesn't invite actual meaningful gameplay
smoky surge
Honestly, I don't think desh wants a civil conversation, best to just ignore him and let him be salty and toxic in his own sad little corner lol.
weary mountain
The only game play you will find as a deino you will swim and get fish then eventually murder other deinos
compact hare
O but we will gloss over the fact that its literally a shit map that doesn't inv...
Maybe bcuz it wasnt made by a mapper 
And now we have one
smoky surge
He's just trying to get a rise lol.
smoky surge
Yep lol, just don't engage
weary mountain
they made a 3 mile long shallow area
wow great design
A cave that you just fall threw
minor monolith
r u ok
you know this map is new right?
have you ever played the old maps
I mean really old maps
tawny juniper
The only game play you will find as a deino you will swim and get fish then even...
The game isn't complete yet
minor monolith
like when progression was a thing
do you REMEMBER that?
I DO
THOSE WERE AWFUL
timber mesa
Guys it’s another one of those people
Just ignore him
These type of people can’t accept reason
tawny juniper
THE GAME HAS BEEN OUT SINCE 2015!!!!!
The recode has been out since...
minor monolith
yeah manius he is just taking the piss lmao
smoky surge
Yall are just feeding him lol, ignore him and he'll go away
weary mountain
You guys are dumb af
tawny juniper
You realize what a recode is right
minor monolith
no need to get invested, but I do remember the old maps 😛
weary mountain
enjoy the never ending devolopment
tawny juniper
They made an entirely new game
minor monolith
we will
weary mountain
you might see a new dino next year
tawny juniper
The original was 2015 and they made an entire new game out of it very recently
minor monolith
I actually do enjoy when the devs are making progress
weary mountain
maybe
compact hare
enjoy the never ending devolopment
thank you so much 
minor monolith
ok I dont care
I literally dont, I would rather we have functional dinosaurs at all than more of them - we will get more in time
weary mountain
I gave my feedback for the devs not to the dumb consumers that hold on
minor monolith
this isnt fucking smashbros
tawny juniper
you might see a new dino next year
If you phrased that properly it would be sound like an insult, But tbh it just sounds like a stupid observation
minor monolith
I dont need a massive roster
tawny juniper
"In this dinosaur game, maybe I can see a dinosaur next year"
smoky surge
Lol, yall givin him the attention he wants so bad, he will just keep doing it if yall encourage it, as he said, he uninstalled, why should his opinion matter at all?
tawny juniper
Enjoy evirma bet it wont be dont for atleast 2 years
Entirely done...? Yes ofc
Evrima is still so fresh it's funny
crude girder
See what I'm wondering is why stay in the discord if you don't wanna follow the game?
tawny juniper
They are what... 4 updates in?
weary mountain
So many white knights for this game its cute
minor monolith
ok
tawny juniper
ok
smoky surge
@crude girder exactly
tawny juniper
I don't thing that you understand the concept of what a recode is... Ontop of that you seem to think good games just appear witout any work behind them
weary mountain
js you guys defend a game that was in early access for 3 or so years and it still isnt complete..
tawny juniper
If the isle is going to become good, Then yes it will take some time..,
minor monolith
if being honest and fair to the devs is 'white knighting' - I guess im the greatest in the land
weary mountain
what that tells me is the devs are shit and lazy af
smoky surge
See, now the personal insults, Ignore him, he really don't care, he just want's the attention his parents didn't give him lol
minor monolith
what games do you like
tawny juniper
what that tells me is the devs are shit and lazy af
Are you making any better games atm...?
timber mesa
js you guys defend a game that was in early access for 3 or so years and it stil...
Literally all dino games have been in early acces for more than 3 years
tawny juniper
Have you ever made a game?
minor monolith
I cannot think of any games that dont have these kinds of issues
no team in any games I play, except maybe mordhau?
tawny juniper
Don't knock it till you've tried it bro
strange wave
guys, this is the point where we just leave him in his pit of hate and malice instead of going down to his level
minor monolith
except mordhau is pretty much done
lilac swallow
What i dont know is why havent a moderator already been called
minor monolith
and so hasnt been updated in a while
yeah just get him outta here, disrupting any good constructive conversation for mud dragging
useless
smoky surge
Exactly
strange wave
nope, no need, just, ignore them, its that easy
smoky surge
Yep
lilac swallow
I understand the Guy, i also have a good amount of shit to throw at the devs, but what the Guy is doing only comes as pathetic, attention seeking and childlike
weary mountain
nope didnt make a game but thats why i use currency to pay for a game to play but when that money that i spent is just to watch the devs make assets for the game and not even use them or just trash them. Whats the point in playing?? they've had pretty much the same kind of creatures n shit for years now. Evirma is just a hope its gonna be shit just like legacy.. Defend it all you want but it will be and you know it.
strange wave
dont give them anymore ammo on how the "moderation team hate feedback"
tawny juniper
nope didnt make a game but thats why i use currency to pay for a game to play bu...
They've had tenno, and hypsi, and deino, and pt for years now have they
frail sigil
You can have your opinions. Please be civil discussing it, if you cannot be I will remove you from the conversation
strange wave
agreed
smoky surge
Yep
lilac swallow
Same
weary mountain
I am being civil
minor monolith
its funny because I have evenhandedly mentioned how awful the map is currently but I never called their qualities as devs into question - if I can do it you can too
lilac swallow
Yeah, no
weary mountain
you just have alot of white knights defending a game
tawny juniper
nope didnt make a game but thats why i use currency to pay for a game to play bu...
you call the dev team lazy as if you watch them and everything they do
weary mountain
Calling them lazy
smoky surge
Not really, you been insulting people and causing a scene
minor monolith
I just said "it needs work, here is some things you can do to improve it"
its called flaming
thats the behavior
frail sigil
That's a statement directed at everyone, resorting to insults is not civil
lilac swallow
Personal attacks is not civil my dude
weary mountain
cause they have been in devolopment for almost 6 years
tawny juniper
cause they have been in devolopment for almost 6 years
For the recode?
minor monolith
yeah and half of my jets in DCS have been in dev for that long so what
weary mountain
they cant even fix leg breaking from 2 foot drops
thats been around since the start
smoky surge
If you're so mad, then go, but you don't want to, you just want to argue
tawny juniper
cause they have been in devolopment for almost 6 years
The game's been out for six years, The recode has been in development for 2 if I'm correct
tawny juniper
...?
weary mountain
ask for more support with money
tawny juniper
Then don't support it if you have an issue...
lilac swallow
? I didnt have to re-buy the game
weary mountain
oh trust i will not be
smoky surge
Just ignore him
crude girder
But are you planning to keep following the development of the game?
smoky surge
No, he wants a platform for people to argue
crude girder
Because generally I find that when a community has disappointed me enough, it's best to just leave it rather than stick around just to cause fights
tawny juniper
If you're this upset about the game then just leave it,
As far as I'm aware you aren't being forced to play it
weary mountain
they're just using the evirma as a way to kick start and get new people into the game to fill those pockets while they tip toe threw updates added things for the cheapest they can and fucking gameplay in the process
lilac swallow
If you want to forget about the game the last thing you should be doing is being on that game's official discord/forum, as a general rule
tawny juniper
they're just using the evirma as a way to kick start and get new people into the...
And you know this how...? Did you talk to the devs and find this out? Or are you assuming things to help your already failing case...?
terse hornet
hey what's going on in here today 
weary mountain
You guys watch evirma is gonna fail just like legacy and the game itself
crude girder
Game's a scam
strange wave
hey what's going on in here today <:TI_Think:411454418031214592>
dont ask
terse hornet
I'm not on mobile you can't say scam when I can't grab the picture 
dark osprey
That's some serious passion right there
strange wave
basically this
terse hornet
You guys watch evirma is gonna fail just like legacy and the game itself
we'll see
tawny juniper
You guys watch evirma is gonna fail just like legacy and the game itself
Want to stick around and watch aswell?
crude girder
I mean it took Legacy 5 years to not even add a single flying animal that didn't crash the server by existing, meanwhile Evrima now has both flying and aquatic animals, something that was deemed impossible with legacy
weary mountain
its obvious 6 years... bro like thats along time to get basic shit going for a game. Yet they cant even fix simple bugs that have been in the game since launch
smoky surge
Guys, just let him rant and laugh at him
crude girder
Likewise Evrima has attacks that knock back, Bleed that isn't a basic DOT on health, and tons of other non-combat things going for it
strange wave
its obvious 6 years... bro like thats along time to get basic shit going for a g...
in legacy? the branch they arent updating? i wonder why those bugs arent being fixed
terse hornet
Technically isle was out in december 2015, so it's only really 5 years old not 6 just saying
tawny juniper
its obvious 6 years... bro like thats along time to get basic shit going for a g...
Basic shit came out in he very beginning, everything sice then has been growing on that... Evrima is a clean slate and look how far its already gone
weary mountain
Im laughing at you guys for following a dev team that literally doesnt care about gameplay
tawny juniper
We're laughing at you for malding for the past half an hour
crude girder
And you're following a game that you don't care about because...?
weary mountain
aww you're sweet
minor monolith
reading this chat
terse hornet
They don't care about gameplay so much that they scrapped the shitty version of the game to make a better version
tawny juniper
aww you're sweet
👉👈
crude girder
And they didn't even charge us for it, game's really a scam I stg
lilac swallow
They scammed me 0€ guys
crude girder
If this was ark tho, we would've been charged 60 dollars for the Evrima expansion pass lol
cyan flame
Considering they updated the roadmap to focus on mechanics, I'd say they're doing good when it comes to giving us a game loop and all.
terse hornet
then another $40 for the pteranodon and deinosuchus DLC if it were ark
tawny juniper
cyan flame
Now that's something you could complain about for the last 5 years if you wanted, because the game has been pretty.. meh on that part. :p
crude girder
also I don't know where you are getting the leg break thing you keep saying, that's not even a thing in Evrima
dark osprey
Desh, you're following it also, you clearly want the game to work and be the best it can be. Chill Winston
weary mountain
I just lay out fact and you guys attack me for just calling out the game for what it is guilty of since hell 2016-17. Call it malding, raging or w/e you guys let them get away with it so they will just keep doing it.
tawny juniper
then another $40 for the pteranodon and deinosuchus DLC if it were ark
Another $2 every time you log on
tawny juniper
Not yet
terse hornet
I don't see anyone attacking you? Did I miss something?
cyan flame
For the whole "small drop", do remember the scale can be very off.
crude girder
Therefore, the leg break thing you are talking about must be from Legacy, the scrapped version of the game
trim dock
Another $2 every time you log on
and maybe $50 per update
lilac swallow
No one is attacking you tho
tawny juniper
This reminds me of the people who run around with signs about the end of the world
crude girder
in which case, yeah no duh it hasn't been fixed yet lol, Legcay is Legacy
tawny juniper
Because if this game was really making absolutely no progress nobody else except this one intellect individual would have realized
terse hornet
Legacy isn't getting fixed, they're dropping it once evrima has surpassed it (imo it already has)
weary mountain
@lilac swallow Yeah ok...
crude girder
I'm still confused about what the leg break thing was about
weary mountain
evirma is such a bad design. they have all these things that are supposed to come but im sorry you wont see a single one for atleast a year or 2. Cause thats the pace these devs work at. So enjoy the year or some content drought.
tawny juniper
Accidentally hit enter on feedback before I could add images 😭
crude girder
Well Evrima isn't even a year old yet and we already have 3 content updates done
at this point you could still eat/drink while resting in legacy (December 2016)
compact hare
Accidentally hit enter on feedback before I could add images 😭
oh F 
tawny juniper
evirma is such a bad design. they have all these things that are supposed to co...
Are you aware of some average speed the devs are working that makes you sure of this, Or are you assuming this based off the other updates that come out roughly every other month
terse hornet
evirma is such a bad design. they have all these things that are supposed to co...
Most of us understand that being a small development team, updates won't be flying out the door. Making games takes time and we are willing to wait. They just updated the roadmap so that hopefully updates will come faster because they won't be held up by a specific dinosaur or mechanic
crude girder
infact if the devs keep their current pace (unlikely since it seems to be speeding up, especially with the roadmap) then it's likely that the roadmap will be finished next year
frail sigil
Let's please move this discussion along, at this point it seems to be going in circles, discuss Herrera, everyone likes lawnmower dinosaurs.
worn pumice
Actually herrera
crude girder
Herrera overrated, return to Magyarosaurus
trim dock
its a scaley squirrel
worn pumice
What other abilities should it have apart from climbing
trim dock
magy is a great joke character
worn pumice
Oh wait it’ll have a tree pounce ig right
terse hornet
((this is feedback discussion though)) maybe we should just drop it and talk about whatever is going on in #401464048610312195
frail sigil
There is a Herrera skin there though
worn pumice
Tree climbing is so fun
tawny juniper
Here is my thought on herrera
terse hornet
yes I agree bring back cookies n cream herrera
worn pumice
Chameleon herra
swift dew
i didnt realize anoles jump from trees and rip out chunks of animals that are more than 10 times larger than them 
marble lance
they do, watch out because they like humans too
kindred flare
evirma is such a bad design. they have all these things that are supposed to co...
I genuienly think this man doesnt know the dfference between legacy and evrima
marble lance
Here is my thought on herrera
i don´t think they would add this for a dinosaur, not soon at least, but it would be cool to see a dinosaur that can change color to camouflage
barren zephyr
Here is my thought on herrera
I know I'm late but I love that idea! However I think it would be much more useful/interesting on Monolophosaurus.
I can see Mono living in more dense foliage and using its camo when in more open areas while searching for food, water, and mates/packs. It would be cool on Herrera, but it already has the advantage of in a way, being the apex of the canopy.
If we ever get something akin to a breeding season I think it would also be cool to see things such as Male Stegos plates blushing deeper red or Mono nose comb thing flaring bright orange or blue or purple whatever it may be.
queen heath
Quick question, I don't know where else to put this, but do dinosaurs save when switching between legacy and EVRIMA? Like, if i have a dino on EVRIMA will it still be there if I switch to legacy and then back to EVRIMA?
queen heath
<:TI_HypsiShrug:696885704524824586>
damn
barren zephyr
damn
Try asking in #401464048610312195
queen heath
ok will do
barren zephyr
ok will do
👍
barren zephyr
Quick question, I don't know where else to put this, but do dinosaurs save when ...
yeah they do
queen heath
bet thanks
swift dew
@iron furnace #401464048610312195 is where you should ask questions, and punch removed the dimporphism card because its already partly in the game and it isnt significant enough for its own card
iron furnace
ah ok thx guys
lapis owl
im playing pteranodon right now and when i try to rest or call, it makes the animation for a half second then stops and nothing happens, is there a way to fix this?
tall oasis
@iron furnace Its in the roadmap still just no longer has a card
vestal rune
@fierce robin just because they listen to your opinion doesn't mean they're forced to act on it
global goes directly against their vision of the game, which is why they removed it. If you want to call them stupid for adding it in the first place then feel free
fierce robin
I understand that, but allow it for community servers
you dont have to play on community servers, people pay for them
still raptor
Community servers are arguably worse than officials when it comes to global
vestal rune
the devs are not entitled to add features exclusively for community servers, it's still their game
once modding comes in, community servers can add global themselves
fierce robin
Of course, I understand, but literally hundreds of people have asked over the last few days
and until they add mod support people have to sit and be silent
fierce robin
Yeah, which is why I posted in the feedback channel
still raptor
People aren’t silent lol
fierce robin
Look bois, I cba to type here and argue, we're all set with our opinions and its pointless arguing if we see different
still raptor
In servers I admin for, there’s a specific channel that is used to help people out. We’ve also integrated bots to help us log info.
vestal rune
yes exactly
and devs are the same way, they've stated they're for certain not adding global
once modding comes back in, you'll have all the global you want
fierce robin
Yeah but modding isnt being added for a while
vestal rune
yes, you'll have to deal with it
fierce robin
Should the people that want global stop playing to make you happy?
vestal rune
we have to deal with so many things because of the fact that game is in early development
still raptor
Thats extreme
fierce robin
I mean, I'v gone from playing every single day all day to once for a few hours every 3 days or so
still raptor
Ok
fierce robin
I'm just telling you my personal experience with it
vestal rune
I can't even fight things because the desync is so bad that they hit me from 5 meters away, modding support is such a small issue rn
fierce robin
I'm sure I'm not alone, but this is my opinion that I feel strongly about, you guys disagree. thats fine
still raptor
I really dont care how long you play or how many hours you got, but you’re just going to have to deal with it like the rest of us.
fierce robin
move on
tepid gate
Yea you're not alone
fierce robin
I am, but at the same time I'm proving feedback in the feedback channel on it
You guys were the ones that tagged me
tepid gate
I don't get the decision behind removing global from the game altogether either
fierce robin
Did you do that just to tell me I'm wrong?
vestal rune
you, do realise this is a feedback discussion channel right?
we have the right to dicuss what people say
tagging them is just standard practice here
tepid gate
It might not fit the devs' vision of the game but even in that case it's a bit early to remove it imo
fierce robin
Of course, but you're not really discussing, just telling me its not their vision and I'm wrong
tepid gate
The game isn't even remotely close to what the devs intend it to be
vestal rune
the only thing bad about how they removed global chat was that it was before some important administration tools
fierce robin
Look I'm going to continue my netflix and not playing, just came to drop off my feedback for the day
Have a good night
still raptor
It might not fit the devs' vision of the game but even in that case it's a bit e...
I get it, it helps immersion. But yea, this early is questionable.
tepid gate
As it is it did help people to kill some time or do with it whatever people were doing with it, we don't even have a proper gameplay loop as of now
If things were getting more or less into their intended shape I guess it would be less of an issue
But even then I first need to feel like this game is actually the survival horror it is intended to be
I understand the global would take away from the eerie atmosphere and what have you
but as it is we don't have any of that and I can't think of a single instance where I'd get scared(or even close to being scared) in Evrima.
still raptor
I think people wouldn’t have complained like now if we didn’t have global on Evrima’s launch
tepid gate
They would've complained about it during the launch and after the launch then
vestal rune
nah, they wouldn't have complained if we didn't have it in the game at all
devs shouldn't have added global in the first place
still raptor
I guess you’re right that they would’ve complained regardless
tepid gate
People would still be complaining if global wasn't added to the game at all. Idk if the complaints would end by now but they would definitely be less common than they are currently if global was never a thing
flat crypt
i still think its a weird choice when such a significant number of the community wants it back, and it can be implemented in a way that harms no one (both a server-side global toggle for unofficials, and a client-side toggle for those who dont want to see it regardless of server)
I really don't think more customization for unofficial servers is a bad thing
arctic nimbus
I'm just wondering what was the point of removing group chat.
tepid gate
I agree, I don't see what the issue is with bringing it in for the community servers. It can remain disabled on officials
flat crypt
yeah, im 100% for it staying off on officials
tepid gate
I'm just wondering what was the point of removing group chat.
The devs and QA thought it to be unrealistic that 2 Utahs could talk to each other in front of another Utah speaking about killing that other Utah without it being able to understand what they're saying.
flat crypt
its not necessary on official servers, but contributes to a specific mood when playing that they want to cultivate for the official experience
arctic nimbus
The devs and QA thought it to be unrealistic that 2 Utahs could talk to each oth...
I guess that makes sense.
flat crypt
one of the big things I dislike about global removal tbh is it makes newbie servers kinda pointless
I think newbie servers were a really nice idea, i liked hopping on sometimes and helping out new players. its a lot harder to do that now
arctic nimbus
But it's hard for me to imagine that in a world with monsters and hypos, not being able to understand what a pack is saying is what breaks realism.
flat crypt
im not sure it's realism so much as I guess just. consistency?
although its another one of those things that i think should be an option on unofficials tbh
but for officials at least, i think it makes sense that you shouldnt be able to plot the death of someone right in front of you when they're the same species
inner stump
im not sure it's realism so much as I guess just. consistency?
If it were realistic then why would they add hypos?
flat crypt
I was saying I dont think realism is a big contributing factor
flat crypt
this game is not realistic, i can agree with you on that 100%
barren zephyr
@tall oasis
how are juvies unviable (besides deinp) ?
flat crypt
it is unrealistic in so many ways aha
barren zephyr
All of them have ways to escape or at least somewhat defend themselves
teno is decently fast, stego can pack a punch, carno is a more mobile and utah is tiny
ptera can fly of course
Dying as a juvie is mostly the players fault in my opinion
flat crypt
ptera is the only one of those I would say is 100% viable as a juvie
mint vessel
To add onto the global chat discussion, with the map as large as it is, chances are you're either terribly bored and lonely or in danger because you're near a hotspot. I played for 5 hours straight on deino today, and only ever saw 2 other players on a server full of 130 people. I'm fine not coming across people, but I'd like to not feel like I'm playing a single player game
barren zephyr
ptera is the only one of those I would say is 100% viable as a juvie
How is carno unviable? Sure it has trouble finding food at times but it can easily out juke anything in forest, which its adult counterpart cant do
but I do want the hollow logs idea, that would make juvie teno a bite better
flat crypt
Small stegos are still in trouble against a smart carno. baby teno is somewhat fast but iirc is still outrun by adult utahs and carnos (both of which can kill it quite easily too) and young carno's saving grace is the agility, its still slower than adults
barren zephyr
Small stegos are still in trouble against a smart carno. baby teno is somewhat f...
well...... you're a baby
flat crypt
i dont think young carno is unviable at all, its probably one of the better. but it can still run into a tough spot
barren zephyr
you have ways to survive, you just have to use them
flat crypt
there are still inescapable situations
which is something im really not a fan of in this game, or any game really
inner stump
Yeah there is deffs some balancing that still needs to happen but they will sort that out
limber hull
i feel like the only one here who doesn't want global chat
inner stump
over time
barren zephyr
there are still inescapable situations
Dont get put in those situations then
flat crypt
it should be your own fault if you die, not just random chance
barren zephyr
play safe
fallow vine
I don't want global chat either
its supose to be a horor game
horror surivial game
global chat takes away emersion
flat crypt
if we're going to be encouraged to play more active, in particular while growing, juvies need a way of surviving or preventing deadly encounters
inner stump
they should allow global chat to be turned off on some servers
flat crypt
mh, you can still have global chat and have it be a terrifying horror game?
fallow vine
I think their not doing it at all
inner stump
cause some servers are RP, some are realism, some are based on pvp,
flat crypt
legacy is far and away less terrifying than evrima, but ive still found it pretty spooky at times, even on servers with global enabled
its the sort of thing i think unofficial server owners should have control over, while its left off on officials
barren zephyr
if we're going to be encouraged to play more active, in particular while growing...
Well what do you think?
Like what ideas do you have?
Since making juvie teno faster then a utah wouldnt work
inner stump
If They were doing it right, people would be staying on evrima, but there player base goes back to legacy
flat crypt
stuff like juvie-specific abilities. i made a suggestion for it a few weeks back
flat crypt
i think repurposing the adult abilities of other animals into abilities juvies can use is a smart way of going about it. less work overall, but still gives tools for juvies to use
such as repurposing herras climb into something <50% utahs can also use
barren zephyr
if you're in a dense jungle you can escape pretty easily, the only real unescaple thing is if you're in a plains
barren zephyr
such as repurposing herras climb into something <50% utahs can also use
well now utah is too easy to grow
fallow vine
everything is too easy to grow
flat crypt
currently? yes, because the trees are safe
fallow vine
u sit in bush easy
barren zephyr
i think repurposing the adult abilities of other animals into abilities juvies c...
like? can you expalin
flat crypt
but herra will be a thing eventually too
also can you please turn ping off, im right ehre
barren zephyr
also can you please turn ping off, im right ehre
sure
barren zephyr
but herra will be a thing eventually too
Yeah but how good would juvie utah be at climbing?
flat crypt
because its very small and light, with big claws
its far from being the most unrealistic idea
barren zephyr
So would it be mobile enough to escape a herrea in the trees?
flat crypt
likely not, however probably more mobile on the ground, although we'll see what herra is like on the ground. not much has been said about that
flat crypt
they're not terrible, growing is still way easier than it is in legacy
However, I think if a player is always observant, and plays their animal 100% correctly through all growth stages, I don't think they should die. it should be your own fault if you do, a slip-up you made that led you into that situation
while generally speaking players can do this, there are still times where a death is 100% unavoidable
barren zephyr
while generally speaking players can do this, there are still times where a deat...
explain?
flat crypt
a young teno, utah, or dryo being spotted by a carno. unless there is a thick forest nearby its pretty hard to get away, in particular if the carno is actually using sniff correctly
forests are a lot less dense overall now too
There are some thicker parts, but ive found it a lot easier to track other players through forests now, even if they're small
barren zephyr
a young teno, utah, or dryo being spotted by a carno. unless there is a thick fo...
well...... thats the point
if you get spotted by a carno in the open, you're fucked.
flat crypt
ping my guy
barren zephyr
like thats carnos thing
He kills small things, and hes good at it
The simple way to avoid carno is to use coverage
flat crypt
its not something you can always stick too though, sometimes the only food in the area is out in the open
hopefully diet will address this though
barren zephyr
its not something you can always stick too though, sometimes the only food in th...
well then you should observe the land better
barren zephyr
My bad
flat crypt
i can follow along just fine
if juvies were able to always reliably find food in forests i wouldnt mind
barren zephyr
Yeah but this game isnt meant to be easy
flat crypt
but as it stands, herbi food is frequently somewhat sparse and is found mostly in open fields
there are some bushes in forests from what ive seen, but they're a hell of a lot more rare than bushes in grasslands
barren zephyr
If you could just avoid carno, then carno is fucked
since theres no small game to hunt then
flat crypt
it should require skill to avoid carno, but it should still be something that can be done
flat crypt
carno isn't made invalid against dryo by the fact that dryo can sometimes escape
barren zephyr
I've hid under those to escape tons of things
barren zephyr
it should require *skill* to avoid carno, but it should still be something that ...
It can be done
swift dew
"legacy was great and successful" "Work towards a better Legacy, not a completely different game" LMAO IM DYING RN. i don't think this guy understands that EVRIMA is entirely different game
barren zephyr
just juke in bushes
barren zephyr
How?
flat crypt
they can just sniff you out and find where you're hiding?
i do this all the time as a carnivore
flat crypt
i think the only reason that "hide in a bush" strategy works is because a lot of people dont sniff more often for whatever reason
which is wild to me lmao
only time ive lost my prey was because someone bigger and stronger stole it, not because it hid well
more ways to hide scent could work. stealth is a part of this game that's a little hard to actually use
i cant fully comment on juvie viability until we see diets really. because the main issue is that you're forced into the open atm
hopefully new food gives juvies things to eat in the forests
barren zephyr
@fierce robin
why are you playing survival horror game so you can treat it like a chatroom?
Just play a MMO like PoT
swift dew
might as well ping direprawn in there too
flat crypt
i mean, technically TI is an MMO. it just isnt an MMORPG specifically
fierce robin
<@!139762015534186496>
why are you playing survival horror game so you can tr...
You're totally right dude, my opinion is trash and you're correct. I apologise
barren zephyr
@inner stump
Evrima isnt meant to be legacy to, and legacy wasnt good, from a game design standpoint, legacy is dogshit.
barren zephyr
You're totally right dude, my opinion is trash and you're correct. I apologise
I mean........ sure.
flat crypt
if people want to play chatroom i think its fine that they do that, so long as it doesnt impede officials
which, if chat remains off on officials, it wont impede at all
barren zephyr
if people want to play chatroom i think its fine that they do that, so long as i...
Yeah, but it isnt meant to be a chatroom, theres a lots of games going for that experience
fierce robin
People are free to play games how they like, it isnt a survival horror game yet and one of the few things to do other than eat, drink and look at dinosaurs was to talk to people
flat crypt
dude. ping, again
fierce robin
and I want a chatroom because its ingrained in human biology to want to socialize, you cant blame someone for wanting to do that. your opinion is subjective.
flat crypt
But keep in mind, the official experience isn't meant to be a chatroom
barren zephyr
and I want a chatroom because its ingrained in human biology to want to socializ...
human biology 
use discord lol
flat crypt
I don't think its bad for unofficials to cater to different experiences
barren zephyr
What are you doing at the moment? banana?
flat crypt
you can attract a wider playerbase
arctic nimbus
It would be cool if certain juvi animals had abilities adults lack to make them marginally more viable.
barren zephyr
I don't think its bad for unofficials to cater to different experiences
I mean, sandbox isnt confirmed to not have global
so that could and should be a thing
swift dew
you can attract a wider playerbase
true, however the devs dont want to make a chatroom, there can be multiple different experiences without the game turning into a chatroom
flat crypt
dude. turn ping off. please
proud coral
Global will only be from mods, that was confirmed
fierce robin
I'm watching netflix not playing right now, and I'll ask you a question
swift dew
my bad
proud coral
It's not coming back to the game period
flat crypt
but why does it matter if people play it like a chatroom in unofficials?
Again, it has 0 impact on the official experience
barren zephyr
but why does it matter if people play it like a chatroom in unofficials?
Isnt the experience the game is going for
flat crypt
Then why allow mods to do that in the first place?
barren zephyr
It's like asking subnautic to become a battle royal
flat crypt
If you're trying to cultivate a very specific experience, mods are like.... the antithesis of that
barren zephyr
Then why allow mods to do that in the first place?
Well their mods
fierce robin
so, currently per server theres around 15 AI dinosaurs on the land, on a fucking HUGE map. the majority of players (including me) arent experienced enough I guess to be able to track down each of these 15 AI while remaining near a water source. if someone spawns on a low pop/dead server what are they supposed to do? cant ask other players where food is etc because no global, cant hunt because not enough AI. cant find people at all
barren zephyr
Well their mods
not apart of the base game
fierce robin
so you can either play on a super high pop server, or just leave and not play
still raptor
I heavily disagree with the statement “The game heavily relies on global”
flat crypt
Sure. And people are just going to use mods to create that experience anyway. it does not change anything in the long run
barren zephyr
so, currently per server theres around 15 AI dinosaurs on the land, on a fucking...
why are you playing on a dead server? and why are you relying on other players to survive? Just survive better
fierce robin
You are impossible to talk to
barren zephyr
You are impossible to talk to
how
flat crypt
Because once modding is possible, I imagine a very significant number of servers will use a global chat mod
still raptor
so, currently per server theres around 15 AI dinosaurs on the land, on a fucking...
No there’s no lol
fierce robin
you have an unmovable opinion, its pointless to try and discuss anything with you
barren zephyr
I do?
fierce robin
No onediodude
barren zephyr
me?
still raptor
The devs have listened to us lol
flat crypt
The game overall doesn't rely on global, however a lot of community servers do
still raptor
Concept changes
Roadmap changes
Map changes
Gameplay changes
Roster playable
Ai
Etc
barren zephyr
devs dont listen scam game
inner stump
<@!164591234088828928>
Evrima isnt meant to be legacy to, and legacy wasnt goo...
is it? cause from my understanding its why so many people fell in love with the game
the entire reason we are all here is cause legacy hooked us
barren zephyr
is it? cause from my understanding its why so many people fell in love with the ...
It is
When you look at legacy from a objective standpoint, the devs did a shit job
6 years and no real gameplay
and the gameplay that exist is trash
sure its pretty, but the recent patch fucked that to
inner stump
yes but they did alot right in it too, they had a broke, game that people loved, they should use there success
and make it better
barren zephyr
yes but they did alot right in it too, they had a broke, game that people loved,...
why would you want to make a broken game
inner stump
are you listening?
inner stump
then use the characteristics of that and make it in evrima
literally take all the good
barren zephyr
then use the characteristics of that and make it in evrima
but it isnt trying to be legacy 2
barren zephyr
its trying to be a survival horror game
barren zephyr
not Isle 2
and
swift dew
i hope you realize the only reason we liked legacy is because dinosaurs go brrr
barren zephyr
i hope you realize the only reason we liked legacy is because dinosaurs go brrr
basically
barren peak
Guys, beside Magy is there any other sauropod coming to evrima? Also, is brachi only going to be AI or is it going to be playable?
barren zephyr
If I wasnt blinded by dinos I would have shit on legacy hard
swift dew
Guys, beside Magy is there any other sauropod coming to evrima? Also, is brachi ...
cama, bronto, brachi, magy
inner stump
na we liked legacy cause people love Drama, and fighting, pLus the social aspects
barren zephyr
Guys, beside Magy is there any other sauropod coming to evrima? Also, is brachi ...
magy/cama/brachi/bronto are coming
barren peak
Omg bronto!! Didnt know that!!
inner stump
i met some of my best friends on isle
barren zephyr
na we liked legacy cause people love Drama, and fighting, pLus the social aspect...
If you're survival horror game relies on chat drama to be fun then its a shit survival horror game
go play a MMORPG like PoT
barren peak
I really hope that sauropods are viable and not slow heavy ass creatures
inner stump
no use making a survival horror game if everyone jumps ship
swift dew
na we liked legacy cause people love Drama, and fighting, pLus the social aspect...
the social aspects of legacy were shit. you would just have a massive herbie herd at gf talking about random shit untill 3 rexes that wanted to suicide come along and then they start talking about stupid shit again
barren peak
Pue could've been so much faster, i only needed some work
barren zephyr
the social aspects of legacy were shit. you would just have a massive herbie her...
^
inner stump
if it was so shit then why play it
doesnt matter how much you talk shit about it, if you still loved it
swift dew
if it was so shit then why play it
I already said dinosaurs go brrr
inner stump
there are plenty of more realistic dino games
path of titans is an upcoming one
and its optimized
barren zephyr
there are plenty of more realistic dino games
PoT is a MMORPG with global chat, why would I play that?
barren zephyr
Now that I think about it, why dont you just play PoT or use discord?
inner stump
i didnt mean to press enter
barren zephyr
You get the same effect of global
swift dew
path of titans is just as bad. everyone was sitting in the same exact spot talking about random shit untill someone brave enough tried to bite or they misclicked and then everyone goes on a frenzy and then it goes back to talking about random shit. I ended up getting the isle first so im not getting another game that is pretty much the same thing
barren zephyr
path of titans is just as bad. everyone was sitting in the same exact spot talki...
^
inner stump
also, your enjoying alot of talk on here
swift dew
dont even get me started on bob
inner stump
so clearly you like the arguing that sometimes went on in global
swift dew
what are you even talking about? the only thing global was good for is taunts, and im glad thats gone
inner stump
global chat was good, not only for teaching players the game, but making sure everyone is having fun
barren zephyr
global chat was good, not only for teaching players the game, but making sure ev...
they should learn themselves or use discord
and if you want to have fun by chatting, discord exist.
swift dew
and if you want to have fun by chatting, discord exist.
and the billion other chatrooms
inner stump
pushing people off the game just for something like that isnt a good idea
dense vale
discord is cheating your dino dont make noise 
barren zephyr
pushing people off the game just for something like that isnt a good idea
it isnt meant to be a chatroom
play a real chatroom
its that simple
reef ore
My issue with removing global chat from the game is that its a decision thats been made when there was already a solution in legacy. You could ignore all chats in legacy no problem. I dont see why that can't be an option for evrima as well or at least make it an option for server owners to have it turned on or off. If theyre saying mods will do this anyway....then why not implement it yourselves officially?
barren zephyr
My issue with removing global chat from the game is that its a decision thats be...
Because global lead to people just sitting around chatting all day
swift dew
"listen to your communty" judging off the checks and xs it seems the community is pretty split on whether global should come to even unofficial servers, so who do they listen to?
barren zephyr
which isnt the gameplay experience the devs intend
and those players sort of fuck the game for others to
inner stump
most of the community doesnt have a say
barren zephyr
A giant herbie herd just chatting at GF is just a massive chunk of players not playing the game
inner stump
even this chat we are having means nothing to the devs, cause they dont listen unless, its an uproar
barren zephyr
most of the community doesnt have a say
wdym
swift dew
even this chat we are having means nothing to the devs, cause they dont listen u...
this is just false
barren zephyr
even this chat we are having means nothing to the devs, cause they dont listen u...
an uproar?
wdym
inner stump
i know plently of people that complain but dont come forward
or they just stop playing entirely
barren zephyr
i know plently of people that complain but dont come forward
those guys are weird
inner stump
really
inner stump
you think everyone should be a karen
barren zephyr
reef ore
So what? Every game in the world gets played a way the devs dont intend to. They purchased the game therefore they have a right to play it how they wish. Dictating how people play isn't productive or useful. Again, I would much prefer if server owners could have the option and have it listed on server lists so if you don't enjoy playing on servers that have global turned on then don't play on that server.
barren zephyr
but alot of people that make up the actually 90% dont say anything
silent majority?
candid badger
whether you want global chat or not, it needs to be an option for private servers. no ifs, ands, or buts. if you remove it, you lose half your community. simple
dark hedge
I made a comment on trotting speed in #general-feedback lmk what you think
inner stump
thats why some of the best games, are the ones that are diverse. there are many ways to play the games, and people can be creative
barren zephyr
So what? Every game in the world gets played a way the devs dont intend to. They...
But no one stopping you from chatting
inner stump
pushing people into 1 way to play a game, only attracts 1 sort of person
barren zephyr
just open both PoT and the isle and chat in PoT while you play the isle
reef ore
The devs literally removed global chat...
pale schooner
How can the devs know what you want if you don’t tell them
barren zephyr
just open both PoT and the isle and chat in PoT while you play the isle
read this
swift dew
thats why some of the best games, are the ones that are diverse. there are many ...
damn, i didnt realize taking away global takes away all of your options. 
candid badger
what do you mean
I mean nah
barren zephyr
I mean nah
nah to what
pale schooner
Sass oooo
barren zephyr
I'm confused
candid badger
we're talking about being able to communicate in this game in real time in text with the entire server that is actively playing
pale schooner
Me too
dark hedge
I don't mind global chat getting taken away
candid badger
which is a necessity for some people
barren zephyr
we're talking about being able to communicate in this game in real time in text ...
but didnt you say you wouldnt read it?
barren zephyr
we're talking about being able to communicate in this game in real time in text ...
why is that needed
its a survival horror game
dark hedge
People ended up talking about some nsfw stuff in the global chat anyway
candid badger
why don't you need it?
inner stump
also this game is actually not opimised, so alot of people will crash if they alt tab
swift dew
which is a necessity for some people
why is it a necessity? because your sad you can't talk about random shit?
candid badger
it's your personal opinion lmao. so is mine
dark hedge
Although it was useful for admins on the server to see, most of the admins weren't even looking anyway
dark hedge
also this game is actually not opimised, so alot of people will crash if they al...
Yeah this game needs to be optimised quite badly
candid badger
half of people want it, half don't. it's only common sense to add it as an optional feature for private servers
reef ore
Dude. People have purchased the isle and will play how they want. It doesn't matter what the devs intended because people will play how they wish. Always. If I want global chat which has been in this game since the beginning its really not a crazy request
Ty aimie
inner stump
it does, and yes over time they will
candid badger
^ exactly eliksni
inner stump
half of people want it, half don't. it's only common sense to add it as an optio...
yes
swift dew
Dude. People have purchased the isle and will play how they want. It doesn't mat...
yeah, and they get to play as they wish through mods
barren zephyr
Dude. People have purchased the isle and will play how they want. It doesn't mat...
Why are you playing a survival horror game for a chatroom
also yeah, mods exist
dark hedge
Dude. People have purchased the isle and will play how they want. It doesn't mat...
They already said they're adding something like global chat in the future
inner stump
this game will never actually be a horror
barren zephyr
this game will never actually be a horror
source
candid badger
oh it is far from horror lol
inner stump
oh what another player jump scared you
dark hedge
Why are you playing a survival horror game for a chatroom
This is something I agree with, you'll be trying to survive and there are people talking about how their dinner was
swift dew
They already said they're adding something like global chat in the future
no they are not. global is only returning with mods
inner stump
thats not a horrow
molten tulip
Just wait until mods
barren zephyr
oh what another player jump scared you
that isnt horror
swift dew
this game will never actually be a horror
for humans it will be
dark hedge
no they are not. global is only returning with mods
I don't see too many benefits of global anyway
barren zephyr
Horror can be a lot things, like legacy was kind of horror because the aesthetic was just unsettling
inner stump
horror* HAHAHAHA
barren zephyr
things dont have to be "scary" to be horror
swift dew
what a dino looks scary, and thats horrow?
stfu, your just flamebaiting at this point
inner stump
huh?
na i think you guys are pushing an opinon that is oppressive, it should be an option not a nessesity
dark hedge
stfu, your just flamebaiting at this point
I disagree, that is a valid point
barren zephyr
I dont get why people would play a survival horror game, then expect the devs to bend over and make it a chatroom
dark hedge
na i think you guys are pushing an opinon that is oppressive, it should be an op...
I agree, sometimes its kind of annoying having a discord chatroom while you're trying to play
reef ore
Why are you playing a survival horror game for a chatroom
Maybe im not playing it with the intention of it being a survival horror? Just because a game is in a certain category means that is how the game MUST be played.
I just don't understand why devs would push something like this to a modding community that can't exist yet because mods aren't supported when they had the solution in legacy. You could ignore all chats.
If they want to push the experience then literally just have an option...have it in the game so you're not relying on someone else to make a solution.
barren zephyr
Maybe im not playing it with the intention of it being a survival horror? Just b...
Tldr?
candid badger
the smart thing to do, as a dev, would be to make a very simple change and add in global as an option for servers. if you don't like to play with global, you don't. if you like playing with, you do.
it's VERY stupid to remove a feature from the game that has been there a long time, and many people used or needed to enjoy their gaming experience. it really doesn't matter if you don't want global, or if you think it ruins your experience. I've seen most votes on this, it's almost evenly split with half global half for not global. so this is literally the most logical way to handle it.
it they wanna remove global, cool. me and many others will drop our support
and like, stop playing
lmao
inner stump
disagreeing is fine, dont get me wrong, i dont mind you having a different opinon then me, or anyone i know. Im just expressing my opinon on a game that i love, and had high hopes for, but yes it will be a killer for a lot of people playing, and yes going to path of titans may be the option alot of people have
barren zephyr
the smart thing to do, as a dev, would be to _make a very simple change_ and add...
Yeah but we all know global will be enabled on every server if its added back
candid badger
yeah I'll be going straight for path of titans without global
barren zephyr
So that doesnt work
inner stump
Yeah but we all know global will be enabled on every server if its added back
becuase people like it
barren zephyr
make your own then
How?
inner stump
maybe you could make it a player option
dark hedge
The mods will make one dw
inner stump
maybe they could disable it
reef ore
....half people don't want global so I HIGHLY doubt every server will have it enabled. Official servers most likely won't
candid badger
also I'm pretty positive the official servers would be no global
reef ore
In your opinion
barren zephyr
and isnt the intended experience
dark hedge
Global just isnt needed
Yeah I agree
candid badger
considering how hard they want it gone
dark hedge
also I'm pretty positive the official servers would be no global
Thats a good thing
barren zephyr
since its a survival horror game
candid badger
which is fine if the official servers aren't global. but give us, the players, the option to choose how we play our game
with our private servers
inner stump
@dark hedge whats your opinon?
barren zephyr
But the game isnt meant to be chatroom
inner stump
it isnt a chatroom
barren zephyr
so, thats too bad
minor monolith
I mean I guess it can be but the devs have their priorities
inner stump
its a game that has a chat
reef ore
No game ever gets played with the intended gameplay experience lmao
There is always outliers
inner stump
alot of people never even notice chat
candid badger
doesn't matter, it has had a chat most of it's lifetime. lmao
inner stump
they are playing the game
barren zephyr
Yeah, but it isnt meant to be a chatroom
minor monolith
the devs will do what they went in this regards so im certain talking too much about it wont change anything
dark hedge
<@!289988921591463936> whats your opinon?
I really don't care if global is or is not added. But I think removing your support from a game which tries really hard just because of a tiny global chat feature is dramatic
barren zephyr
Yeah, but it isnt meant to be a chatroom
So dont get surprised when developers dont support that gameplay style
candid badger
if they want to keep players, they will make it an option
minor monolith
they either have the resources to add more granular server options or dont
barren zephyr
if they want to keep players, they will make it an option
game is doing the best it has in years atm
without global
minor monolith
im certainly have fun not watching people rp
barren zephyr
strange
minor monolith
personally
minor monolith
look again - the devs either will or wont have the resources to do it
dark hedge
Well tbh maybe removing the global chat feature was a way to refine the kind of playstyle they want people to play. This is not a dino daycare game and wasn't intended to be one
minor monolith
so its not even worth discussing in this case
candid badger
it's not really resources, it was there they took it out
inner stump
I really don't care if global is or is not added. But I think removing your supp...
I do agree, but its not about support, in this aspect its, about whether you want to play it.
barren zephyr
yes, because we're currently arguing for it
So this argument is keeping the isle alive
minor monolith
yes but they shouldnt add it back in across the board
inner stump
if you friends all go to another game, then you will follow them
dark hedge
I do agree, but its not about support, in this aspect its, about whether you wan...
I actually think this game is getting really good
minor monolith
it has to be an option right?
inner stump
i do agree also
minor monolith
so that MEANS they need dev resources to program that
candid badger
my simple statement is half of their base will leave if they don't keep it, because half of people want it. they want it because they want it. it doesn't matter the devs intentions, or what you want
reef ore
Bruh I just want a check box for an option to have it on or off lmao
candid badger
and they will leave without it
barren zephyr
If a game isnt meant to be played a certain way I feel like you cant complain about it not having that option, if it does its neat, but if doesnt
well just play a game with
dont go to a apple aisle for oranges
candid badger
it's up to the devs if they care about it or not
minor monolith
yes im certain they dont
candid badger
oh I know that LOL
minor monolith
im certain they might add the option later
candid badger
good business practice
minor monolith
the devs are artists
they arent public servants
they are making art, that we play
candid badger
it is a game, they are selling for money,
minor monolith
and if they find it hits their wallet too hard, they might consider changing their minds
candid badger
they aren't servants no, but they should think about what their players want Sometimes
if they want money
minor monolith
but until then, I will respect the artists decisions
over the "what will 'sell' better"
barren zephyr
they aren't servants no, but they should think about what their players want Som...
well its clear that you arent the isles target demographic
so eh
play PoT
candid badger
well I mean
I was for many years
reef ore
I respect and understand the decision but this is such a easy solution lmao
inner stump
yes there are people that play alone, i get that, but so many people see someone they know online and say hey in global chat to them, or found someone needing help with something they dont understand, and not everyone has discord, so for the casual players they might become full supporters one day, you want the ability to help them, and get them into a group where they can feel welcomed
candid badger
so what's up with that
barren zephyr
Game is getting better
minor monolith
yes ive been on here for many years
candid badger
I respect and understand the decision but this is such a easy solution lmao
exactly
minor monolith
ive been here since before progression
barren zephyr
so it removed a bad mechanic
minor monolith
its absolutely better, from a base mechanics standpoint - it is missing the roster currently but I already see a lot more potential
inner stump
makes sense to you, but not to me, so do you understand we just have different opinons and ways we play the game
minor monolith
but evrima is basically a new game
candid badger
I do also see more potential, but it's been half a disaster so far
dark hedge
oh it's not better rn
Are you seriously leaving the game due to global being removed? Before what did you use global for?
minor monolith
they had to restart development entirely
inner stump
but we are both supporters of the game, so shouldnt they find a happy median?
candid badger
to socialize, while I was playing as a dinosaur. to communicate with others
barren zephyr
to socialize, while I was playing as a dinosaur. to communicate with others
discord
PoT
BoB
minor monolith
discord works yeah lol
candid badger
buddy
barren zephyr
any other game with a global chat
minor monolith
technically it doesnt
inner stump
discord
you are literally telling people to play different games, the dev s dont really want that
candid badger
there is a trike standing a few feet away from me. I do not know who this trike is. I would like to talk to the trike. say I'm not also a trike. how do I communicate with the trike
inner stump
they want a large player base, where people enjoy the game
barren zephyr
you are literally telling people to play different games, the dev s dont really ...
source?
inner stump
thats where they make money
barren zephyr
there is a trike standing a few feet away from me. I do not know who this trike ...
calls
1
2
3
4
dense vale
if you cant speak to someone in game how do you ask them if they wanna talk on discord
minor monolith
look, the devs either will or wont - its not a huge game design thing that we can really provide feedback on
barren zephyr
those work
barren zephyr
and what would the purpose of those be?
dark hedge
there is a trike standing a few feet away from me. I do not know who this trike ...
isn't there herbivore local chat or something the game had herbivore local. Why don't you just ask for that?
candid badger
maybe a call for a, s, d, f, so on
inner stump
look, the devs either will or wont - its not a huge game design thing that we ca...
you would think that, but when you realise you cant use it, it becomes a pain, when you need it
minor monolith
I have never needed it
dark hedge
Yeah I think its time to move onto another topic, I think the global chat is justified
barren zephyr
Like you can open PoT while playing the isle and chat in there and nothing is changed
candid badger
because I'm not playing without global?? I truins it for me. I get you don't care, but a lot of people do. so we're talking about it
and the people coming back at us are like "lol play a diff game do this do that"
we literally PLAYED THE ISLE LIKE THIS for years and years and years. we don't want this feature removed. how is that so shocking
barren zephyr
Yeah I think its time to move onto another topic, I think the global chat is jus...
I mean, we cant since its general feedback discussion and not isle discussion
barren zephyr
because I'm not playing without global?? I truins it for me. I get you don't car...
use discord
inner stump
i thought it might be a good idea, but then its become hard to actually admin a server when you cant talk to them all at once, without using annountments
candid badger
Like you can open PoT while playing the isle and chat in there and nothing is ch...
I'm done talking to you cause your arguments are nonsense
inner stump
god my english
barren zephyr
I'm done talking to you cause your arguments are nonsense
explain why you cant use discord
minor monolith
I mean again I think they can do that without having a global chat in the same way it was before
barren zephyr
just open it
inner stump
yeah its abit one sided
we have been pretty open with our convo, but you have been pretty closed minded
dark hedge
I'm done talking to you cause your arguments are nonsense
What else did you use global chat for? Like elaborate a little bit
minor monolith
in general, I see the need to have communications with admins
barren zephyr
If you want to talk to people who play the isle, isnt there a discord for the isle?
minor monolith
but not the old global chat
I can see them adding the option to have a global chat - but that takes dev resources
inner stump
in general, I see the need to have communications with admins
thats a good point
dark hedge
If you want to talk to people who play the isle, isnt there a discord for the is...
yeah lmao
minor monolith
so again - they will do it when they do it
candid badger
I want to play the game how I have been playing the game. let private servers choose how they want to play the game. end of argument
barren zephyr
I want to play the game how I have been playing the game. let private servers ch...
too bad
dense vale
you cant meet a person you cant talk to and ask them if they want to discord
barren zephyr
use discord
minor monolith
so I dont know why everyone thinks they have a lot of say in this type of matter
dark hedge
I want to play the game how I have been playing the game. let private servers ch...
It can't be enough to quit a game though
candid badger
it very much is
minor monolith
its not a game balance, or design issue
reef ore
All playstyles are valid. Its literally as easy as adding a option for server owners. The official servers can and always have the "intended experience". As they should. But there are thousands of private servers that should have the option who have built communities through global chat.
inner stump
use discord
you are literally special
candid badger
for me personally
barren zephyr
it very much is
damn........ this game must suck then
minor monolith
its mostly a technical one, for testing and administration
candid badger
it kinda does rn 👀
inner stump
im done, have a good one
candid badger
same
barren zephyr
you are literally special
thats a bit rude
dark hedge
for me personally
So did you use global chat as a way to socialize while playing the game or something?
minor monolith
I mean you are being obtuse dio
candid badger
yes, I did
worn pumice
Honestly if ur quitting a game cuz global is gone then this game isn’t for you
barren zephyr
I mean you are being obtuse dio
me?
candid badger
I enjoyed socializing while playing the game, is it really that hard to comprehend
minor monolith
yes
dark hedge
yes, I did
So you used it like a chatroom?
barren zephyr
I enjoyed socializing while playing the game, is it really _that_ hard to compre...
open discord and do it
candid badger
I used it like an online game
inner stump
saying to use discord is stupid, and we have explained why it doesnt work, but you keep saying it, like wow
candid badger
I played, and talked sometimes, and played sometimes
dark hedge
I used it like an online game
What does that mean
worn pumice
Like discord is easily accessible I do it all the time on unofficial servers
barren zephyr
I used it like an online game
but its a survival horror game
reef ore
I've seen people quit a game for less lol
If aimie doesn't find enjoyment in the game then they have every right to leave. They spent the money on it
candid badger
what are you not comprehending
candid badger
I liked meeting people in game, organically
minor monolith
because you are literally reaching my dude
inner stump
but its a survival horror game
im suprised your not wanting global back so you can troll people, cause you seem like that sort
minor monolith
you could literally mention any reason why global doesnt need to be a thing
candid badger
and having interactions organically
barren zephyr
I liked meeting people in game, organically
organic? How is talking to a trike as a para organic?
barren zephyr
You're two different species
dark hedge
and having interactions organically
I think the reason why it's removed is because this game is not a social game.