general-feedback-discussion

[sonic mural]

Yea but the more u move the more bleed u lose which is fair

And the wallowing was a smart idea they came up with too to stop the bleeding

[past tusk]

the bleed itself has alittle RNG to it, we tested bleed timers on all the dino cast, inconsistently a move that can cause bleed will bleed anyone for 1:15-1:40 before starting to heal itself. the bleed 'tick' is fixed but you can layer bleed 'ticks' on top of eachother, when they drop off they drop off. the pulsing bleed ticks for a higher % if your sprinting, yes. its a better system than before

[crude girder]

It's not really RNG so much as hard to test, so I see how you would think that

[swift dew]

I dont think its rng, you might have been moving and movement makes you bleed for longer

[still raptor]

@random sail This was Don setting up the Spero skybox with TrueSKY iirc back in early 2020

[past tusk]

@crude girder i tested as methodical as I could, eg, utah biting a stego, carno and teno, a body hit, with hp, hunger,food, stam maxed. even when repeating the test the numbers seemed to be RNG but with in a spectrum, so we assumed some variance was added, without going into too much detail I already know that hunger and water influence the bleed properties as well as how health and blood heal in tandem.

[crude girder]

Stamina, Health, Food, Water, and I think maybe a few other things all affect bleed in someway, plus movement and if you wallow and where you hit, etc

[swift dew]

@rigid roost before, a utah could turn around and tank a stego swing with its tail because it hit the tail first, now if the stego swing goes though and hits the tail and keeps going and hits the body, it will do the body multiplier instead of the tail multiplier

[crude girder]

so it's not RNG, it's just a pain in the butt to test without debug tools

[past tusk]

i can imagine

[crude girder]

Yeah basically if you don't have a big debug screen that tells you YOU ARE BLEEDING X AMOUNT then it's nearly impossible to verify exactly how much you bled

[past tusk]

i cannot explain nor understand how this was coded, i repeated the test 5 times with the exact same variables eliminated, so utah bites teno in the body, standing, 100% all stats, time it, then reset the situation and do it again, each time the timer was within a range but varied.either way thanks for explaining

[swift dew]

there might be multiple areas of bleed multipliers that are very precise, so you might have hit the body ever so slightly more towards the tail and it ended up making you bleed for 5 less seconds

[crude girder]

Well keep in mind there are a bunch of hidden back end things at work that effect things, since the goal is make it so you don't just count "Oh I need to bite them exactly 4 times and they will bleed for exactly this long leaving them with exactly this much hp"

Ideally, combat this time around will be more like "Oh he seems quite hurt and they've been bleeding for a while, plus they look kinda hungry, I'll try to finish them off here"

adds less predictability to when someone will die, so it makes combat more interesting

[real pendant]

that sounds like rng to me

[rocky aspen]

I dont like how you cant see your health on your interphase. It makes knowing when to back off difficult, especially when my screen turns red whenever im barely hurt.

[past tusk]

lol

[swift dew]

we need number 3 for a magy run

[past tusk]

@crude girder you're probably under some NDA so i appreciate you cant go into specifics. i believe the bleed now works like wow, where each damaging effect (call it a DoT/damage over time) has a bleed time and damage per tick based on the dinos current overall 'status'. as you hit them again a new timer starts and ticks down bleed while the old ones 'drop off'. its clear that status effects like current stam, health, bleed, water, food all influence that bleed timer and dmg per tick. eitherway, outside of a pounce timer; which from testing seems to be a unique) all other possible attacks share a default bleed duration of around 1min 20sec modifiable by the players current status.

[barren zephyr]

Thats cool, immersive but skill based

@still raptor

I like this idea, how fast would it be?

I'm guessing teno speed or a bit faster?

also how long would it last?

[still raptor]

Idk

Didn’t write it

A friend wanted me to post it

[barren zephyr]

ohh k

[still raptor]

Maybe a bit slower than tenos speed

[barren zephyr]

IMO it should be tenos speed

ideally allo would be a ambush hunter and be a TINY Bit slower ten teno

so this would allow magy to get a last ditch chance to escape if allo ambushed it

[still raptor]

Well

Magy does gallop

I could see that being its speed

[barren zephyr]

Magys normal run speed should be 39 kmh while allo is 42 kmh

main thing is that magy would have god tier stamina while allo is down in the dirt, shit tier.

[crude girder]

Yeah NDA is gonna keep me from going into specifics, I like the analysis tho lol

It's really neat to watch the community try and figure out how the game works, keep up the good work and push that meta game lol

[ionic arch]

A recent stream or an old one?

[ionic arch]

Yes

[still raptor]

Reread what I said above the clips

[ionic arch]

K. I hope it'll come with the new and improved night since you know with update 2 it's was just a initial sky box wich wasn't the new one

[still raptor]

Yea

Talked to punch about it because they current night is awful. He said it would change with Update 6.

[swift dew]

im pretty sure punch said the night looks terrible because its much brighter than it should be

[still raptor]

Yea

That too

LOD’s are also effected by lightning

[swift dew]

lightning?

[still raptor]

Oh

[swift dew]

or did you mean lighting

[still raptor]

Lighting

Autocorrect

Rip lmao

[ionic arch]

So a bigger dino will make the bleed drain faster let's say an Allo bite a Carno it'll drain faster than if it's was a carno bitting it, but if a Utah bite the Carno then it'll drain slower. And I hope the Giga will still have a higher bleed then the Rex, same for Spino having a higher bleed effect than a rex

[ionic arch]

Night time will be dark and scary Don't forget there will be strains like type-t, N, M, D and H

Wait is Type-D a strain?

[icy lion]

no

[digital plank]

@ashen wasp those are all great ideas in general, if there is one I didn't really like its the caching but overall I think they were all good C:

[ashen wasp]

oh, well im honored to have gained the favor of somebody w/ Hyena in their name!!

[ionic arch]

@ashen wasp they are all awesome idea

[ashen wasp]

thank you!!

[ionic arch]

Idk

[solar latch]

it looks like it has tumors ngl

[ionic arch]

nuclear reactions with his blood cells

[sonic mural]

Dear god...

[icy lion]

the only official strains are tisso, neuro, hyper, and technically magna. ive heard about tisso being scrapped but i have no idea if it actually is

[ashen wasp]

yeah, Type-D is a fanmade strain, and Type-T was stated to be reworked conceptually so how and/or whether it'll end up showing itself in the future is kinda up in the air as far as the community's concerned

which is a shame, honestly, i was reasonably hyped for Tissoplastic as we had heard of it previously, always had a soft spot for rouge classes

[swift dew]

im pretty sure the tisso big guy is scrapped (the bat looking thing with sythes on its arms i forgot its name) but I dont think the entire strain of tisso was scrapped

[uncut umbra]

I think it was called Reaper right ? I liked the design , don't know why they scrapped it if they did :/

[swift dew]

oh yeah the reaper. its asthetic fit the game pretty well, much more than the collosus at least

[uncut umbra]

Well , i hope it will come out one day ^^

[ionic arch]

Hope Tisso won't be scrapped, they look great

[still raptor]

I do think deino should get some form of fractures, however if deino gets fractures (which would probably and most definitely depend on the playabe for severity) the standard 500 N shouldn’t be buffed.

Deino fractures would most certainly crippled a Utah

[earnest perch]

The fracture is gonna be a new system and not the old leg break system as we have on Legacy

Edit: from Trello "Snap, crackle and pop! Fractures are going to be splintering their way into the game. Gone are the days of the so often infuriating bone-break mechanic of old that was in many ways, an automatic death sentence. Fractures have a range from mild to severe. Hindering your character accordingly. But also have more ways to be both applied and mitigated than you've ever experienced."

for people that dont know

[still raptor]

I know

[left nacelle]

@torn ocean Yeah, that's the server's fault. Try playing on a different server, and make sure they're the same region as you

[torn ocean]

mk ty

[left nacelle]

Np

[left nacelle]

@thick dew Wrong channel for that. But I personally play on official servers most of the time

[carmine path]

@snow meadow the perk system comes next update but we don’t really know what will be included in it pertaining to specific dinos perks

[manic ibex]

Why are people making suggestions about things that they saw on concept arts and that we know will already be in the game?
Like, why making a suggestion about Herrera latching on another dino or a resting animation on trees, when the concept art already show us that we will get that?
Are they trying to get credit or something?

[urban flax]

Maybe

Maybe they don't know those concept arts are official

[urban flax]

@odd sedge This is the only way I can see seasons working and being enjoyable

[odd sedge]

Yeah I'd hate it if the entire map suddenly had a dry or wet season.
Sure it would pose a big challenge, but by letting players chose where they want to play preferably and move along with a certain season, then we could even give creatures season depending features.
For example Velociraptor not needing a lot of water and gaining water from food. Sure, it could live anywhere but it would have an advantage in the dry season and could move with it

And people, who want a challenge, can just move along with a difficult season to live in

[odd sedge]

Hmmmmm... ngl
I want Cherry to fill the role of apex omnivore instead of Theri

[maiden anvil]

Who’s cherry?

I wasn’t really sure if omnivore Therizino was a good idea or not. Just came to my head and I just went with it

[odd sedge]

Deinocheirus. It's not confirmed but a lot of people want it

[maiden anvil]

I’d like it too! Maybe it cherry could be a swamp dweller

[odd sedge]

It's probably going to be that, yes, because of fish

[maiden anvil]

But isn’t cherry then going to be a better sucho?

[odd sedge]

How that?

[maiden anvil]

Well I agree with you on cherry eating fish but it will be very much like sucho if not better. They both fight with their claws, they both fish and I think they’re about the same size. And if cherry has more food options it could very well be a preferred choice over sucho

[urban flax]

Cherry is much bigger than sucho

It's also slower, both on land and in water

[maiden anvil]

Doesn’t cherry outclass sucho and therizino then?

[azure wadi]

Sucho and theri are pseudo apexes

[urban flax]

It's an apex
Sucho and theri aren't

[maiden anvil]

Yes but how many people are gonna wanna play sucho and theri if they got cherry to play as?

[urban flax]

How many people are gonna play allo if there is rex ?

[azure wadi]

Cherry will take much longer to grow

[azure wadi]

That’s like saying “how many people will play Utah if there’s carno”

[maiden anvil]

Hmm good point. Though how would they compete with each other? Sucho and cherry

[azure wadi]

They don’t, sucho avoids cherry, that’s like asking how will sucho compete with spino

[maiden anvil]

To me cherry feels like a mix of sucho, spino and theri. I hope cherry wouldn’t take away all the uniqueness from those 3 and make it self the best option

[urban flax]

If it's a mix of 3 different playables then it's something entirely new

[azure wadi]

^

[urban flax]

It can be the best option only if it's faster than sucho, stronger than theri and tankier than spino

[azure wadi]

It would be the swamp dwelling apex omni, that ain’t common

[urban flax]

Where spino would be lake carni apex, and sucho river dweller

[maiden anvil]

Sounds good to me

[azure wadi]

Big Flamingo made an amazing cherry dossier, which showcased it as something very unique

[maiden anvil]

Sucho would be river dweller?

May I see it?

[azure wadi]

I’ll ask them for it brb

[maiden anvil]

Thx

I’m also working on a styraco dossier which I may post fairly soon

[urban flax]

I'm just assuming, we know deino is supposed to live in swamps, spino will probably go to lakes since they're the only places deep enough for it to swim, so sucho will take what's left, meaning rivers

[azure wadi]

I love BigFlamingo’s art

Spino becomes the king of any water source it wants but yeah, lakes will probably be its favorite place

[maiden anvil]

Cherry is literally the bear of the isle lol

[azure wadi]

Pretty much

I mean, bears are apex omni’s who like fish

[maiden anvil]

And they have big claws to fight with

[azure wadi]

Cherry is definitely the dino I want the most in game

[maiden anvil]

Styraco is what I want the most

But yeah, cherry could forfill a pretty good niche. Also there is always room for something that can eat plants in this game

[urban flax]

I'm not as hyped for styraco as I am for cherry

Faster trike is nice, but... meh

If we can get another ceratopsian, my vote would go for pachyrhino

[azure wadi]

Stryraco is quite a bit smaller than trike

[azure wadi]

I’m pretty sure we’re already getting pachyrhino if it wasn’t scrapped

[maiden anvil]

@urban flax I’ll be doing a Tapwing like concept art for styraco fairly soon so maybe I can change your mind about it

[urban flax]

Maybe

[wary sparrow]

Neat

[urban flax]

We already have diablo and Ava that are smaller than trike

[maiden anvil]

Styraco is about something between Diablo and trike. Also to mention, Diablo is way bigger in legacy then in irl

[limber hull]

@normal shuttle the thing that has allowed us to survive so well compared to other creatures is our incredible ability for endurance and covering more distance than our opponents, so in reality, having the tribals be less enduring takes away from what made humans so survivable in the first place. (although the mercs are carrying far more heavy equipment, so them tiring faster or moving slower makes perfect sense)

[normal shuttle]

Yes

I just watched a documentary about that and had the idea of adding sweating to humans

[urban flax]

Actually tribals should be better than mercs in every physical aspect

[limber hull]

yea

[urban flax]

Faster, stronger, tougher and more endurant

[limber hull]

mercs have the advantage of G U N

[normal shuttle]

But gun needs ammo

[limber hull]

so honestly give tribals all the cool physical stats

[urban flax]

Because a bow doesn't ?

[limber hull]

gun also can kill a tribal from 50 meters away lmao

[normal shuttle]

Well, tribals could have spears

Or just pure melee in their advantage

[limber hull]

yes, it would need ammo, but the insane range is where the power lies

[urban flax]

A spear is only one ammo

And Vice you're talking as if guns will be mercs' only advantage, they'll have all sorts of tech and gadgets to help them

[limber hull]

kinda hope that mercs get some form of off-road military car honestly, just gunning it as they are being chased by a fast as fuck carno sounds awesome

[urban flax]

They'll most likely get one

We know they're getting vehicles

[limber hull]

sick

[azure wadi]

They’re also possibly getting a helicopter

[urban flax]

No, they won't have helicopters
Well it's very unlikely

[limber hull]

i def think tribals just need all-round better stats physically. Except maybe health because mercs will likely be well armoured whereas the tribals will not

[azure wadi]

It was either punch or filipe who basically confirmed that mercs were getting a small helicopter

[limber hull]

tribals being faster, more agile and physically stronger sounds like it lines up perfectly with a more hunter-focused playstyle

[urban flax]

A gyrocopter

I asked punch about that

[limber hull]

even so, i still think that tribals will get their ass fucking handed to them unless they have some seriously cool tools, because there ain't a weapon that really can compare to a G U N

tribals probably should focus more on building traps and whatnot

[urban flax]

Well technically a spear does more damage than a bullet

[limber hull]

eh, depends

a spear relies on the user having enough strength to make it pierce

a bullet relies on no physical strength and just fucking moves at exceptionally high speeds, blasting through armour and flesh

[urban flax]

Tribals have enough strenghth to make it pierce

But a bullet is tiny and not very sharp, it can only cause limited damage

[normal shuttle]

I made a little change

[limber hull]

regardless, guns will still likely beat out any tool the tribal has from any range that isn't head-to-head

because it's a gun

[urban flax]

tbh I don't know how human endurance will be balanced
Because regarding the huge amount of endurance dios have, if we want humans to really be true to real-life they should have pretty much unlimited endurance

Or maybe they can have average endurance but super fast stamina regen ?

Like in most fps

[limber hull]

really fast regen i think

[azure wadi]

That’d probably be best

[limber hull]

humans have really fast regen

like irl

we recover from intense physical exercise faster than any other species

[urban flax]

Like 1-2 minutes of sprint, then 10-20 seconds to refill it all

[odd sedge]

I do think we have enough trikes but that's just me

[fringe surge]

I know people are going to troll me and say "Well get gud scub" when I can't even pounce on a carno standing there without getting thrown off, when I can't drink because the rivers are over populated with Deino's, or eat because of countless utah's or even carno's grouping together canniblizing or killing everything in sight. Sorry it's not fun for me. It takes me hours just to get adult (If lucky) because of all the BS that goes on in this game. Utah's are inbetween and they don't have much of a chance at even growing to adult anymore. :\ I used to really like the Utah. I miss, being able to chase a carno down, biting the tip of it's tail, and making it bloody FEAR ME!

[compact hare]

you get thrown off the pounce if
you have no stamina or it ended
you didnt HOLD rmb
or someone slammed you on a tree

the cannibalizing is sure a big problem, we hope that ppl will recieve debuffs for cannibalizing for fun
about the rivers filled with deinos, thats the point of adding it, water is not safe anymore, there is more danger, there are more things to worry

bcuz well... its a survival game

and dryo AI is very rare now, I agree with the need of making dryo ai number higher

its all a matter of time and "skill" its easy to learn the map, Im sure you'll learn the non deino spots soon :)

I can help you if anything

[fringe surge]

breathes

I really think some locations should be in accessable to Deino's and creature's who can't jump.

[past tusk]

@compact hare not true entirely, yes that happens, pounce is still buggy and you can be dismount totally randomly, though its pretty rare, it wouldnt count for Soanala's experience fully

[compact hare]

is there a bug of dismount ? weird... im not surprised btw

Then yes, its a problem of the game and not of the player

tho I never had this issue but, damn it scks

[fringe surge]

Like that pond that's right under the waterfall? Surrounded by rocks? What business do Deino's have going to places like that? They should stay near easilly accessable waters. Yet they can walk quite a distance to get up there, and it's a pain. (I've made the journey myself.)

[compact hare]

pocket pond ... Its curious how that became a spawn point near shallow waters and with a damn waterfall nearby

thats the worst spawnpoint for a deino, really

[past tusk]

@compact hare the bug is quite rare, but ive had it happen to me several times, usually, however, when you dismount you cant eat or drink because your animation locked and need to be reset

[compact hare]

bruh...

ok I see the problem now, thanks

[fringe surge]

When nesting comes in, how are we going to have the time to raise babies or hatch eggs? We have to keep moving do to lack of food and water availability. We can't trust our own kind or grow, because of the lack of food and canniblizing that's going on.

[past tusk]

@fringe surge do you know the map at all, it is fully accessable by water, they donthave to walk anywhere except 30 seconds up the side of the waterrfal to get ion the pond

[compact hare]

lets hope the next hotfix come soon
Have you ever reported the bug, Soanala ?

[fringe surge]

no cause I didn't think it was a bug, I'm pretty sure a lot of these hit boxes are still very much broken.

[past tusk]

pounce in general is still really buggy, sometimes you just float in the air on a dismount, waiting to die, not fun when your hunting a carno

[fringe surge]

I can feel that

Rather then making shiny new dinosaurs, devs should be working on fixing hit boxes, and current bugs in the game. Then we can enjoy the game more while we wait for new dinos to be released. Cause right now, it freaking sucks.

[urban flax]

They do both

[past tusk]

you're preaching to the chior sister

[urban flax]

Devs who make new dinos aren't the same than the ones who fix bugs

[fringe surge]

Engrish? o.o

oh ok

xD

[compact hare]

I was going to make a suggestion about a full fixing bugs update
you have no idea how annoying is to install a game and have to check your own files just to fix a bug the game already came in
like the pin solutions, how long has the graphic changing but been here ?

but I was afraid and sure ppl would disagree with me

they just need to make the game stable

[past tusk]

the biggest issue right now is the overall netcode/desync issues. ive quite literally pounced a stego and been in the claw animation for 4 or 5 seconds THEN teleport to the tail dead. things like that happen all the time, there will always be lag but bigger companies use client side lag compensation. for casual gamers they'll be happy the way it is, for competitive players like me, pvp becomes a unfair buggy mess, especially how everything you hunt is stronger and tankier, they can afford to make a few mistakes, but a raptor that gets 1 shot by stego or 2 shot by carno cant relly on this games terrible code to win fights, it boils down to RNG some fights if your enemy hits you from 10 meters away or not

[fringe surge]

👆 👍

[cyan flame]

Just going to point out, there's an entire stretch of water where even relatively small deinos are vunerable and can't do much. Plenty of safety for drinking.

[fringe surge]

I like how people reacted to my feedback with Learn to Play emoji's. It's not about not knowing how to play the Utah, get over yourselves.

[cyan flame]

When it comes to the drinking, maybe it's not learning how to play the utah, but learning the map and where to go and all that. And there's generally food available as scavenger, even if dryo ai is doing it's best to not be edible these days.

[fringe surge]

I mean I heard someone say they're mimicking players already, which not only makes them dangerous for fresh spawns, but a pain in the A hole to catch since they're like little bullets.

[brave nova]

You're going way overboard making it sound like utah is impossible to play, while there are utah packs running around all over the place. What do you expect?

[past tusk]

@fringe surge I'm quoting you here:

'Make the Utah better. You can't eat, can't drink, can't survive. Because of the upper hand that carnos and deino have. FIX IT! Nobody can enjoy being Utah anymore.'

I'm not trying to be mean but there is absolutely no context to what you wrote. You haven't articulated a point or even expressed what needs fixing, all you've said is you cant eat or drink, because of other dinos upper hand. I hate to say it but utah is one of the easiest dinos to grow to adulthood, you're small and you can jump, you can go places other dinos cant, and you're more manoeuvrable to evade dinos hunting you. Hate to say it, but it sounds like your really inexperienced.

[limber hull]

yea

it aint helpful feedback if you aren't saying what's broken

although i agree utah is really not in a good spot right now

[barren zephyr]

If any of you are confused about my elder suggestion it’s to prevent mass groups of elders and to make elders something you have to work for and really test your skills to be able to show dominance over the rest of your species

[burnt bone]

My only problem with your suggestion is playing with a friend. Imagine playing the same Dino with a friend and spawning in the same space to grow up together. Then, you get old and can not play together until you die. I think the incentive to have an elder as a leader could work well, but the incentive to not have too many elders is just because elders are weak. If half your pack is elders, then your pack is much weaker than one that has younger dinos

[carmine path]

Its a good suggestion till you added the auto bite and auto 3 calls

[burnt bone]

Yeah, the incentive to not have mostly elders should not be aggression

[carmine path]

Also the punishment for elders themselves is that overtime they get weak af when they lose there prime state

[barren zephyr]

Yeah, wasn’t sure on that one but there isn’t really a way to make them either leave or fight

[worn pumice]

also i rly hope they dont change the hitboxes their quite good now i appreciate using the biggest multiplier it makes more sense

[carmine path]

Nah trust me Elders with how they are built balance themselves becoming next to useless after they reach their prime state and a couple hours pass

[normal shuttle]

Bruh

Why would a ptera sit on a branch of a tree?

I mean, ptera is meant to be a coastal animal, or at least is meant to live near water

I think branches are herrera and hypsi business

[worn pumice]

branches honestly r more for smaller critters and jumping things

[normal shuttle]

Yeah

[worn pumice]

redwoods will probably be for more climbing dinos

like herra

since their big trees with many branches

although im sure trees in general will get a revamp

once herra comes out

[normal shuttle]

Agreed

I dont really want ptera on the trees, it is not meant to be there

[worn pumice]

ye i dont think pteras should be in trees

it should be on cliff sides near water

[normal shuttle]

Exactly

[worn pumice]

also utah pounce is actually not very good

pounce itself is fine but the issue is as soon as u dismount, things can immediately attack u if they just wait

its rly bad for stego cuz as soon as the utah dismounts the utah will get hit and one shot

[normal shuttle]

I cant talk about that because I barely played utah, I am hypsi, dryo and ptera main

[worn pumice]

yes i also havent played utah too much either

but i tested it yesterday

[ionic arch]

Is torvo official or just a suggestion dino?

[worn pumice]

not sure tbh

[burnt bone]

Honestly, I think pteras should be able to land in trees

Their ability to land on cliffs can translate well to landing on trees

[worn pumice]

no need to tho

their gonna get a cling ability

they'll be able to cling to any surface

[burnt bone]

I didnt hear about that

if thats true then yeah, theres no need

[worn pumice]

its not just true

its already being worked on

when it comes tho im unsure

either in a hot fix or in update 4

[burnt bone]

Personally I enjoy landing in trees just because of the high ground, but yeah clinging is so much better

[worn pumice]

wonder how its gonna work

seems interesting nonetheless

i wonder if it'll only be applicable to certain terrain

[burnt bone]

prob if u hold z, you will cling onto the wall instead of bouncing off

[worn pumice]

or maybe rmb or something

[burnt bone]

both work well

either way, i hope pteras can cling on trees

that would increase the areas you can see them

[worn pumice]

^

[strange wave]

@barren zephyr how big do you think magy is

[carmine path]

Great observation

Stego reword that suggestion entirely

Cause it is confusing af

[compact hare]

I dont think ant ai is ... big enough to be able to see

[hybrid matrix]

u dont rlly see the ants

u see the nest

[compact hare]

But these ant nests as food is ok

[hybrid matrix]

in the original suggestion i added that maybe herra could also eat ant nests

[compact hare]

I really want theri to eat insects/bugs in general and some herbs

[hybrid matrix]

although small little ant trails for tinies like compy would be neat

[sonic mural]

@unreal flume 😂yea either make carno only be able to charge at 100% or let juvi Utah pounce

[unreal flume]

yea, utahs are half useless before 100%. very fragile and weak until they get pounce

[sonic mural]

Yea and if ur in a pack of let’s say four 90% adults they wouldn’t be able to fight a stego without a pounce and could have a lower chance of killing a teno without the pounce

And would have no chance at all of killing a carno

[unreal flume]

@sonic mural yea thats it precisely.

[brave nova]

make stego unlock tail swipe at 100%

[carmine path]

I see no problem with this

@barren zephyr herrara will get one shot by most dinosaurs there is no point in giving it a detachable tail

[odd sedge]

It could let it get away and lock it's health

[barren zephyr]

Mind you, the same is for hypsi yet it has puking as a defense mechanism

Lizards are also easily killed, and that's their motive for developing a tail which can be detached, at the cost of being less attractive to the opposite sex when the tail does detach

[odd sedge]

It doesn't make sense from a gameplay point of view...
If anything but a tailshot one hits it, then locked health or debuffs with the tail torn off would be a punishment for surviving an attack on their tail

[barren zephyr]

?

Yeah the movement stuff I mentioned likely will wear off as the new tail grows longer.

[odd sedge]

Yeah but compare getting bit on the tail and running away, maybe healing the bleed and done, to getting bit on the tail, having it tear off and then waiting with a debuff until it regrows.

Essentially the same thing, just one punishes players for surviving an attack on the tail

[barren zephyr]

What about making it so that the player can directly decide when to drop it.

Or is that not a good idea

[worn pumice]

the ptera is does all of this already

i dont understand the issue

[hoary dawn]

it doesn't

[worn pumice]

it does running and flapping is already in

u can already go down and up

at the cost of stam tho which hopefully changes

[hoary dawn]

not the same way my dude

[worn pumice]

[hoary dawn]

they expressly stated in a dev blog that these mechanics were scrapped for a more "relaxed" experience

[worn pumice]

all that changed was velocity

now u flap faster and get off the ground faster

[hoary dawn]

what changed was the momentum

[worn pumice]

also running speed was increased

[hoary dawn]

and the dynamicness of gliding

[worn pumice]

gliding looks the same to me

[hoary dawn]

currently you cant dive, then pull up and use that momentum to gain altitude as seen in the video, all that would happen is you would use stam to flap up

[smoky bough]

it is literally the same but smoother

[barren zephyr]

Momentum to gain altitude is good, but a bit abusable, too

[worn pumice]

u can still go down and up u just use stam thats all

hopefully that changes a bit

[smoky bough]

okay, on that I can agree too

[worn pumice]

but apart from that

the ptera we have is just

the same

i dont understand

[smoky bough]

ye

[hoary dawn]

its not tho

[worn pumice]

[smoky bough]

...

there doesn't seem to be a reason to speak with you about it

[worn pumice]

its literally the same thing

they only sped up stuff

the mechanics r the exact same

[smoky bough]

if thats your opinion fine, but jeez I really think its the same

[worn pumice]

wait till quetz is out

[smoky bough]

uh that will be nice

[worn pumice]

indeed

flying in general is fun

especially when ur huge and can actually do things

[smoky bough]

being able to actually do damage

[worn pumice]

ye

only thing tho is that for its size

quetz is like

no weight lol

[smoky bough]

true true

[worn pumice]

a juvi deino is almost the same weight as fully grown quetz

lol

[smoky bough]

but its giant

ye

[worn pumice]

thinking of making it do a decent portion of dmg

glass canon basically

[smoky bough]

would be cool and being able to drag a lot

like big carcasses

[worn pumice]

with its weight i dont even think it can lift a utah lel

[smoky bough]

sadly yes but it would be a cool giant scavanger

[worn pumice]

unless they give it like a special abilty to where it can grab things 50% larger then it

that would be noice

[smoky bough]

or they make it chonky

but quetz being slower

[hoary dawn]

https://youtu.be/h9ktXs0JECA literally the first thing adam does in this video is not possible in the game

[worn pumice]

quetz is a true flier flier if that makes

sense

[smoky bough]

ye its not, we agreed upon that. the rest however is literally the same but smoother

flier flier? lol

[hoary dawn]

and im suggesting that the smoother gliding be brought back

[worn pumice]

like what i mean is like ptera is specifically a glider and a fisher

and so it cant fly super high w/o using lots of stam

but quetz on the other hand should be able to soar for a long long time

also the gliding is better already what we got

i dont understand

[odd sedge]

Not really because no one would detach the tail when it brings a debuff.

On the other hand, we can simply go like this (which could be pretty controversial)

If Hera gets bitten anywhere, except the head, the damage will not kill the Hera. Instead, the tail falls off, Hera gets locked on health and gets to run away. The next hit would kill it.

I don't really know how else to describe it

Then I could see it being viable but I'm not sure if everyone would be okay with such a mechanic, where body and tail shots lead to the same amount of damage and outcome

On the other hand, the attacker will get food nonetheless and the Hera gets to live, so it could be a fair exchange

[barren zephyr]

And what is being "locked on health"?

I don't understand what you mean by that

[odd sedge]

I mean it can't regenerate past a certain amount of health as long as it doesn't have its tail regrown with that

[barren zephyr]

But my debuffs were based mainly on what would happen realistically. A dinosaur needs a tail to be used as a counterbalance, without it it is clumsier at moving around, needing to adjust to a more upright pose like birds.

Only the base of the tail remains.

[odd sedge]

And I don't want to say anything against that. That will make sense, I'm just saying that it might not make sense to have a creature with half it's body mass missing with 100% health

[barren zephyr]

It might hamper running speed, but it can still climb (which is exactly what Herra is intended to do)

[barren zephyr]

I said nothing about health in the first place. I mean sure a chunk of health would be taken off, yeah.

[odd sedge]

That's what I'm trying to say

[barren zephyr]

Well I might add that on.

[swift dew]

@unreal flume the reason you can't pounce as a young utah is because the animation isnt going to play properly, you might pounce something but your animation is playing 2 feet off and your just pouncing the grass while your prey is struggling against nothing.

[barren zephyr]

The loss of a tail health-wise isn't too bad. It's half the animal's length, sure, but it's not equal in mass to the rest of the body.

[swift dew]

however if they do manage to get the animation to play correctly at every single tick of your growth then it would be perfectly fine to give young utahs a pounce

[urban flax]

A bipedal dino just can't stay alive with its tail missing
It's way too important

[worn pumice]

that must take forever mustn't it

[urban flax]

Plus it doesn't really serve a purpose gameplay-wise, you already take almost no damage when hit on the tail

[worn pumice]

everysingle tick they have to change the pounce

not to mention if they ever change utahs growth

they'll have to redo it

[urban flax]

They gotta find a workaround to have pounce work in every stage without needing to redo it

[worn pumice]

idk

maybe they'll find away

a way*

eventually

[urban flax]

I hope so, because rn Utah growth is pretty boring

[worn pumice]

i havent played utah in a long ass time

so idk how it is rn

[unreal flume]

then thats a bug, shouldn't the devs prioritize fixing an existing dino rather than developing new ones and let the bugs add up like they did in legacy? you see what i mean?

[swift dew]

its a bug but its also a choice, would you rather wait an extra week or two so that younger utahs can pounce? im sure plenty of people wont. so they are getting content out rather than fixing a bug that doesn't matter

[icy lion]

filipe has said that juvie utahs will be able to pounce in the future

[barren zephyr]

@tidal rose

Disagree, ptera is a fisher, not a fighter

[unreal flume]

"rather than fixing a bug that doesn't matter" i dont agree with you on that. A broken dinosaur should be biggest priority

but i see where ur coming from

[tidal rose]

Well, thats fine. When I play ptera though I always kill and eat small babies who are alone

@barren zephyr when it comes to small babies i can see it being oportunistic

[sonic mural]

@iron furnace I think it’s a pretty cool idea since utah is a pack hunter and would have a leader that was stronger/more experienced than the rest as long as a alpha Utah doesn’t do like 2X or 3X as much dmg as a normal utah then ok a reasonable one would be 1.5X damage and maybe bleed and let female Utahs be the alpha too just so they won’t be left out and let the oldest Utah be the alpha instead of the first male when u first group up with other Utah’s

[barren zephyr]

But thats not its purpose

its meant to fish

Sure you can play it like that, but you're not playing the dino as intended

So why would they add mechanics to help out a non-intended playstyle?

[tidal rose]

Purpose and fun are two different things. Right now fishing is without risk and pteras have easy access to safe water. there has to be something that makes it risky for them to live. I have survived as the same ptera for weeks because there is zero danger.

[barren zephyr]

When quetz is meant to function as your "opportunistic ptera" but bigger and more balanced

[barren zephyr]

well why are you playing a flyer then

[tidal rose]

I like to fly

[barren zephyr]

if you want to be in danger at all times, play a land dino

and nothings stopping you from playing as a ballsy troll ptera

[tidal rose]

There is a difference between no danger and danger all the time

[barren zephyr]

well thats the issue with flyers

[tidal rose]

I don't see it as an issue that can't be easily fixed by encouraging slightly more risky play, but it's up to the devs to decide if they like the idea or not really

if not, i get it, if they do then cool

[barren zephyr]

but you can already play risky

And quetz will support the playstyle you want

so why give it to ptera?

[tidal rose]

Quetz will be able to grab living dinosaurs at least if I recall the devs stating. I see nothing wrong with increasing the amount a ptera can fly with if its already dead and killed. You can play risky, yes but by default ptera is near unkillable

there is a difference between carrying a dead baby and a living adult utah

[barren zephyr]

Because it isnt meant to play like that

[tidal rose]

As I said, its up to the devs to decide if they like my idea or not. Punch said they look at ideas no matter what the upvote and downvote score is so eh

Arguing about it is not going to change a thing

[iron furnace]

@sonic mural idk but female utahs being the Alpha too makes no sense in my opinion, as they are already able to do the whole nesting thing. I think it would be more accurate for males and females to fulfill different roles just like in nature. As for the damage increase I think as u said its best if they dont get much of a boost, just a small increase in all stats and especially in size so everyone knows he is the Alpha and for people to want to follow him. Oldest Utah being the first Alpha makes sense.

[barren zephyr]

I can still give my opinion on your idea

[tidal rose]

True

I don't know what to say. It's a fisher but it could be something more is just my point

[barren zephyr]

But it isnt meant to be something more

It's just fishing lad

Maybe perks could open up to more opportunistic ptera

[tidal rose]

well, we know it is going to get clinging and i think there might be more things they will give it over time. So the feel of a ptera will already change in the future

You know what

you are on to something there

[barren zephyr]

Your idea would work as a perk though

[tidal rose]

perks might actually... yeah

[barren zephyr]

That would be neat

[tidal rose]

Yeah!

[swift dew]

"the whole nesting thing" is going to require males too

[tidal rose]

A perk to increase carry weight would be awesome for a ptera baby snatcher guy if they wanted to play ptera like that

[hybrid matrix]

wut if u had the option to get perks even after u chose to stay alive?

[barren zephyr]

and as a negative (since its soft confirmed perks will have a negative drawback so it wont end up like BOB) a "baby hunter" ptera would be crap at fishing

[tidal rose]

Edited the original post to include the end to this conversation

Oh yeah, that would be fine

[barren zephyr]

Like it would see less "fish" in the water

[hybrid matrix]

that way u dont have to find someone to go kill u and u can chose to go peacefully

[tidal rose]

Also I have never played BOB

[barren zephyr]

In BoB they have perks that are just straight up upgrades

so a normal rex would be inferior to a "perked" rex

and punch said they're trying to avoid that

[hybrid matrix]

yay

[tidal rose]

yeah that does sound stupid. Like back in the day in league of legends or whatever there were these skill trees that would increase your damage by like 2% etc you could unlock. It was annoying to deal with. Glad they are thinking about negatives

[hybrid matrix]

dio i like ur suggestion but i think it'd be better if u could change ur mind later on if u decide that u dont want perks just yet

so u can play as ur dino for as long as u want and it becomes ur choice when u wanna die

[barren zephyr]

yeah but elders are soft confirmed to get perks for their next dino when they die

check the roadmap for it

[hybrid matrix]

yeah i kno

but im saying that u get to stay alive as long as u want

[barren zephyr]

ohhh ok

[hybrid matrix]

u said it urself, u want players to have a choice

wut im saying is that it would be nice if u could have the option to die and get perks after u already decide not to

that way u do have more of a choice

[barren zephyr]

yeah that would be more fair

[hybrid matrix]

bc if i have to chose between dying and getting perks or living forever and dying without getting perks, im getting perks

[iron furnace]

yes ofc the whole pack life and also nesting always requires both females and males. I just think giving them slightly different options would make for an interesting gameplay choice.

[tidal rose]

in fact maybe dying is like... HOLD U TO DIE in small text on the top of the screen

that way you can die at any time and have to wait a minute

[hybrid matrix]

nah that'd be annoying

[tidal rose]

so you cant just spontaneously kill yourself when in danger to get the perks

[hybrid matrix]

i'd prefer an option in the character menu

[tidal rose]

Maybe an extra option when you rest? You have an option to sleep or to die over a minute with a different key

[hybrid matrix]

ok but some animals have females as the alphas
in fact, male hyenas are treated like shit by females
the only time males are ever at the top of the hierarchy is when theyre pups (so not for long)

[hybrid matrix]

if im gonna die i dont wanna wait a minute to die

i wanna just press a button to lay down and die

[tidal rose]

No, because that means when you are in danger and you know you will die to a carnivore, you would press the button to kill yourself to get the perks. because if you die to a carnivore you wouldnt

idea of instant death for a reward is abusable

[hybrid matrix]

so? wuts wrong with this?

[hybrid matrix]

how?

it doesnt affect the carnivore

in fact

it helps the carnivore

they get a free meal

[tidal rose]

Its a survival horror game, you gotta survive and die as an elder for a reward. if you get ambushed you get no reward

[hybrid matrix]

why dont u get a reward? thats literal shit

[tidal rose]

if you don't want to lose your progress then die first chance you get

its that simple

[hybrid matrix]

u survive all the way to elder (PAST ELDER) and then u get ambushed by someone so u get no reward?

[iron furnace]

Bro i dont care who is Alpha switch it around if it makes u happy, and give males more options to manage the nest and make females bigger and stronger i dont really care which is which. I just dont think u should make females Alpha and better at handling the nest and just suppress the males in every way as its probably the case in many animal species, even if that would be the most accurate. But that doesnt make for interesting gameplay. My suggestion would just give 2 different options for gameplay. I dont care what role the male or female plays in this.

[tidal rose]

Anyways im heading out, won't be continiuing this conversation

[hybrid matrix]

before u go just answer this question

[tidal rose]

You died, you didnt achieve your objective. No reward

[hybrid matrix]

lets say ur an elder shant
u survived for a week

[hybrid matrix]

lemme finish

u have chosen to stay alive until u feel like being something else

a giga ambushes ur herd

if goes for u

u try to run but cant because ur weak and dying

[tidal rose]

then its your fault for not taking an out and taking the money. Its like a gameshow, do you leave now and take the reward or risk it for something better? If you miss your chance you miss your chance

[hybrid matrix]

it kills u but u get no reward

[tidal rose]

Anyways im poofing now

[hybrid matrix]

resuru

answer me honestly

would u be pissed if u werer the shant

[swift dew]

exactly, you shouldn't get a reward for loosing

[hybrid matrix]

u had no chance at escaping

and u die

[tidal rose]

No, because if I died and lost my reward because I played a WEEK after my death time was due. It would have been my fault for being an idiot

[hybrid matrix]

would u break ur computer

[tidal rose]

No, because im not a sore loser and I admit my own faults

[hybrid matrix]

i mean would u get angry

[iron furnace]

im on resurus side on this

[hybrid matrix]

how'

[tidal rose]

its a SURVIVAL game. people play it to survive, people die.

[hybrid matrix]

anyone would get angry if they lost the benefits bc they didnt feel like chosing to die yet

[iron furnace]

thats part of the game

[tidal rose]

No, because you were being stupid. its like going for a swim and complaining a deino ate you

if you want the perks then die early

and play a new shant

jesus christ its not rocket science

[hybrid matrix]

i'd agree with u if we werent talking about being an elder

[tidal rose]

if you play a new shant you also get the new perks too lol

[hybrid matrix]

bro

u survived for a week as an ELDER

[tidal rose]

so what?

[hybrid matrix]

it doesnt matter if u arent a sore loser

do u kno how hard it is to survive for a WEEK?

[tidal rose]

you shouldnt be running around an extra week after your death time

[iron furnace]

dying should be frustrating in a survival game... what are u saying derptah

[hybrid matrix]

im saying if u chose to

[tidal rose]

Oh for fucks sake

if you choose to, then you are at fault

you get no reward for running up to a deino and letting it eat you. because you chose it

[hybrid matrix]

i agree with u
it should be frustrating
except u should get the reward anyway bc u made it to elder

[tidal rose]

you don't understand about risk and reward?

[iron furnace]

well then its not frustrating if u get rewarded for loosing

[hybrid matrix]

im saying u deserve a fuckin medal of valor if u managed to survive that long

as an ELDER

[tidal rose]

No. you didn't reach the objective.

[hybrid matrix]

THE OBJECTIVE IS TO DIE LMFAO

[swift dew]

but you still lost, this game is supposed to be very harsh

[tidal rose]

What do you think game achievements are? some achievements in games are really hard to get. Do you think people get an achievement because they didn't fit the criteria? No. You do it or you don't

[hybrid matrix]

ur saying that i dont get my reward bc i didnt die the way that u want me to die

[tidal rose]

Yes.

you get no reward

you do or you don't

its survival

[hybrid matrix]

but the objective is to die right?

bc ur an elder

u want ur perks

[swift dew]

yes, go night night forever. don't get killed

[hybrid matrix]

u wanna die

[iron furnace]

the objective is to die from age not from getting killed

[hybrid matrix]

bro wut do u think dying is?

[tidal rose]

But you should have pressed the kill button on your own terms then instead of getting pissy that you got killed by something else and losing perks

[swift dew]

going night night forever isn't getting killed though, there is a huge difference

[hybrid matrix]

wut is it then

[tidal rose]

Dying peacefully vs getting killed... hmm i see a huge difference

[swift dew]

geting killed is dying to something else, dying peacefully isnt getting killed its just dying

[hybrid matrix]

although actually i do want u to answer that other question
wut IS dying? if i fall of a cliff do i get my reward?

[tidal rose]

Dying in your sleep or getting in a bloody car wreck where doctors have to revive you six times but you still die from injuries.... no difference at all

No because you died

You got killed by the environment

you didn't die in your peaceful state

no reward

[hybrid matrix]

and when u die of age its bc ur organs shut down

they were shutting down WHILE u were still alive

[sonic mural]

Yea I can accept that. letting female dinos nest is a unique thing for them but males don’t have anything like that so if a pack hunting Dino like Utah or troodon had a alpha status that would be unique for them

[hybrid matrix]

u died bc none of them work anymore

[swift dew]

no, we already said go night night forever. close your eyes and sleep forever, not get murdered by a rex which means you loose and then cry that you lost your reward because you decided to make your time on this planet longer

[tidal rose]

Yes but dying in your sleep is the objective. it is the finish line. getting killed in ANY other way is not the finish line end of story

[iron furnace]

🙂

[tidal rose]

whats so hard about dying when you get the chance and playing a new shant with the new perks? why risk an old perkless shant a week after the death date? for what? You are being dumb

[hybrid matrix]

b4 u actually die of starvation u dont have energy to stay awake anymore
if i starve doesnt that mean that i'd die in my sleep?

if i starve i get my reward

[tidal rose]

No

[hybrid matrix]

at least thats wut ur saying

bc i died in my sleep

[tidal rose]

You starved and did not reach the goal

[hybrid matrix]

but u said that i have to die in my sleep

[tidal rose]

Starving is dying from HP loss. Starving makes you lose HP. Dying in your sleep has no HP loss

[swift dew]

just stop, you know exactly what you have to do. so stop trying to be a smart ass

[tidal rose]

Anyways im done with this

[hybrid matrix]

no tell me
why doesnt starvation count?

[tidal rose]

I am going to sleep, I am not going to answer any more questions. Your reasoning is flawed

[hybrid matrix]

u said that i have to die in my sleep, u didnt say how tho

[tidal rose]

I just told you why starvation doesn't count

btw

read up pls

[swift dew]

does starving sound peaceful to you?

seriously, trolls somtimes

[iron furnace]

@hybrid matrix dude ur making this more complicated than it is. Our point is that the end goal is to die of old age and not get killed by other predators or falling of a cliff. So if those things happen u failed ur objective and shouldnt be rewarded for it.

[tidal rose]

Starving is dying from HP loss. Starving makes you lose HP. Dying in your sleep has no HP loss

[hybrid matrix]

once u run out of energy u fall asleep
sleeping is peaceful unless u have a nightmare, no?

[icy lion]

they are talking about a game mechanic where you press a button, sleep, and pass away. at this point it sounds like youre flamebaiting

[hybrid matrix]

it was my idea to press the button

[iron furnace]

he just cant loose an argument lol

[hybrid matrix]

rn im not sure why dying in general doesnt get u a reward

dying is dying

[icy lion]

its been discussed in the past by the devs

kissen wanted what you want, dondi wanted what resuru wants

i dont see why youve changed the point of the conversation to become convoluted and baity

[hybrid matrix]

rlly im just trying to know what counts as peaceful

"die peacefully" is pretty vague

[iron furnace]

... its not that hard dude. pressing a button and falling asleep is peacefull. getting killed by anything else is not peacefull

there u have it

[icy lion]

resuru is stating that in order to get the elder perk, you must choose to do so. by using a game mechanic or button specifically designed to say "i am an elder, and wish to die"

it is not vague in the slightest

[iron furnace]

xD

this is comedy lol

[hybrid matrix]

i mean at least u explained it calmly

well wait

why would anyone chose to stay alive for longer if they could lose their reward at any second

[frank matrix]

Make server limit in the isle 100 in evrima

[minor monolith]

They like the status as old grumpy dino

That's why they keep it

[hybrid matrix]

ur saying that u would risk losing ur perks?

just to play as a weak dino for a little longer?

[minor monolith]

Maybe, depends how I'm feeling

But that's a question about me

Not about game mechanics

[hybrid matrix]

well wut would u do right now

would u chose to stay alive longer

or would u chose to die

[minor monolith]

Probably stay old and get slain in a cool fight

[hybrid matrix]

i'd chose to die if it meant that i wouldnt risk losing my perks

[hybrid matrix]

but u lose ur perks

[minor monolith]

Or take on the challenge

And survive as the old dino

[frank matrix]

I feel the game is it boring with out nasting

[swift dew]

depends, if I already maxed the elder perks then I would stay alive. if not then I would choose the perks (i have no idea if the elder perks are going to work like that)

[minor monolith]

You ask me a lot of personal questions, when I'm someone who likes difficulty

[hybrid matrix]

u mean like, u keep ur perks for when u wanna play that dino again?

[frank matrix]

I feel the game is it boring with out nasting

[hybrid matrix]

i hope this isnt how it'll work

[swift dew]

everytime you do the special elder death you get a perk that is on that dino on that server forever. so I assume there will be a way to max our your elder perks, and if im maxed out already then I would keep playing and go out in a cool fight, but if I didnt then I would choose do die and get the special perk. thats at least how I understood it

[hybrid matrix]

oh

now im kinda bummed

i'd rather have to work for it every time
otherwise i'd get bored

thats my problem with empires of the undergrowth

i finished the campaign and ig theres still freeplay mode but do i just do freeplay mode forever?

[minor monolith]

for some that can be fun

in fact, I love sandboxes

[hybrid matrix]

doing the same thing over and over?

[minor monolith]

in EotU, its not a particularily complex game

[hybrid matrix]

same but it'd get boring after a while if theres nothing new to do

[minor monolith]

so that would get old quick

this on the other hand, is a much more complex game

[hybrid matrix]

well my point is that after a while there isnt an objective

[swift dew]

but there will be multiple perks and you have to get all of them by getting to elder for each one, and there are 50+ creatures, the time you have to put in to max out all of them would be crazy (if you can even max out elder perks). and on top of that elder perks will only carry over on the same server, so you could go to another server to get perks again over there

[minor monolith]

in this game there is always an objective

[hybrid matrix]

if the objective is to get perks and u keep the perks forever then eventually u run out of things to do

[minor monolith]

especially when nesting comes in

[iron furnace]

bro the objective is survival

[hybrid matrix]

so that u can get perks

[minor monolith]

no?

you get perks to survive better with

you are learning skills

[hybrid matrix]

u complete the objective for the reward
if u already have the reward then why do the objective

[frank matrix]

I want limit in server go to 100 player i want more psycho cannibal dinos in the server

[hybrid matrix]

[frank matrix]

The more the cannibal the batter

[swift dew]

even if there is 10 elder perks per dino, it will take 10+ hours to get one as a rex, since rex growth will amost certainly be 6+ hours, and then you have to do the things as an elder. so if there is 10 perks you have to put in 100 hours just to max out rex perks, and you still have perks to unlock on the other 50 animals in the game

[iron furnace]

@hybrid matrix i think the nature of the game is just to survive and all the other mechanics serve to make that experience more fun. There is no real objective here, theres no end of the story that ur trying to reach. If u cant enjoy a survival game u shouldnt play it maybe.

[hybrid matrix]

the majority of dinos wont take 10 hours tho

[minor monolith]

unless elders are beyond breeding age, you still have young to raise

you still have new players to help

[swift dew]

even if your a utah it will still take a solid 20-30 hours of perfect growth, and if you die you have to reset a certain amount of progress

[hybrid matrix]

are you suggesting... infertility?

[minor monolith]

old mama gator in menopause

she is trying, okay?

[iron furnace]

haha

[hybrid matrix]

lets stop talking about this b4 a mod sees it and gets mad lmao

[hybrid matrix]

didnt u say that the objective is to get the perks?

[iron furnace]

no i never said that

[swift dew]

so unless you go your full cycle 10 times in a row perfectly, your most likely getting some 50 hours of play time just to max out utah perks maybe even more, which is just utah. there are plenty of things bigger than will take a decent while longer

[minor monolith]

either way, there is probably new stuff to do

[iron furnace]

i think the gameplay itself is the objective

[minor monolith]

its not like you are easy to hide as elder unless you are a small species either

[swift dew]

and if you really want to do it again you can go to another server

[hybrid matrix]

#general-feedback-discussion message

[minor monolith]

things will come and find you

perhaps you get "old man smell" as elder lmao

[iron furnace]

i said the objective is to die from old age, which is part of the gameplay

the perks are a side objective in my oppinion

but thats just my take

[hybrid matrix]

and the reward is perks

[hybrid matrix]

perks are the reward

not a side objective

and actually

[minor monolith]

which is weird, since I always thought of perks assisting your survival

[hybrid matrix]

u did say that perks are the reward

[iron furnace]

and?

[minor monolith]

thus you want to collect them to help you survive

[hybrid matrix]

yeah u said it right here

[iron furnace]

yes they are a kind of reward

but i still think its only there to make the gameplay more interesting

[hybrid matrix]

theyre the reward for completing the main objective

[hybrid matrix]

thats exactly why theyre there
but thats not the subject of discussion

[iron furnace]

can u pls stop... MY OPPINION IS THAT THE MAIN GOAL OF THIS GAME IS THE GAMEPLAY ITSELF. THE PERKS MAKE THIS MORE INTERESTING BUT SHOULDNT BE THE ONLY POINT WHY U PLAY THIS GAME.

thats my take

[carmine path]

Im still wondering what type of perks we getting

[iron furnace]

take it or leave it im off

[hybrid matrix]

dude

[carmine path]

I mean MaxSi is right...

[hybrid matrix]

im not saying the perks are why u should play the game

im saying theyre the reward

[carmine path]

So Stego needs wings

[hybrid matrix]

what?

[minor monolith]

wings?

it already has a bunch of them

you havent learned how to use its 'plates' yet?

[carmine path]

Idk man that tail spike looking more like a propeller to me

[iron furnace]

bro are u even trying to make a point or are u just concerned about what exact words im using? @hybrid matrix

[minor monolith]

flaps its plates at insane speed and lifts off like an overloaded helicopter

[hybrid matrix]

im saying that in an argument u should never contradict urself

[iron furnace]

XD

[hybrid matrix]

physically impossible

without redbull

[iron furnace]

im not contradicting myself in what im saying, just in the words im using

[hybrid matrix]

[minor monolith]

judging by how a bunch of people play stegs, they dont need energy drinks

[iron furnace]

so if u dont get what im saying i kinda dont care anymore

its not that hard to understand my point if ur actually trying

[hybrid matrix]

i do understand ur point

its just

dont contradict urself

[carmine path]

I honestly wish the utah didn’t move so jittery when trotting there is just no fluidity in its motions

[hybrid matrix]

at least its better than its running animation

that just looks like its walking rlly fast

[iron furnace]

i tried to make it more understandable for u thats why i used different words in different messages, i still have the same oppinion from the beginning and am not contradicting myself

ur just arguing for the sake of it

[carmine path]

Baby utah walking looks like a damn vulture walking around

[hybrid matrix]

no im trying to teach u not to contradict urself in an argument

ur the one who keeps arguing

if u had accepted that u contradicted urself we wouldnt still be talking about this

[iron furnace]

i just said... im not contradicting myself... im just using words that might make it easier for u to understand my point... if u look at what im saying u would realize that im not contradicting myself

[hybrid matrix]

#general-feedback-discussion message

[minor monolith]

I think we are lacking too many details to really go beyond speculation

so I have no clue why either of you are doubling down

[ionic arch]

RoadMap...

[hybrid matrix]

u use words to say things

the words that u use

are wut u say

[iron furnace]

my god i give up ur honestly too dense...

[carmine path]

You gave me hope I thought it was up 😭

[ionic arch]

oh well uh sorry..

[hybrid matrix]

The only good insult in this conversation is ur english skills

[carmine path]

Nah that’s perfect english

[minor monolith]

im gonna eat both of you if you keep up at this low effort posting lol

[carmine path]

Yes do what Lutrafisk said

[minor monolith]

not you, you are fine

you also have a gun

[hybrid matrix]

but ur just an otter
im a utahraptor

[ionic arch]

the other one

[minor monolith]

so my hands are tied so to speak

[iron furnace]

😂

[ionic arch]

You know what? I am an allosaurus

[hybrid matrix]

yeah but im from legacy so i can outrun u and jump on a crate and then bork at u

[carmine path]

Im a fire

[hybrid matrix]

and an SUB

SUV*

[minor monolith]

ugh in any case we dont have enough info about elder I think?

to really discuss much about the particulars

[carmine path]

@safe ferry why would we ever nerf deinosuchus, also the image just loaded, stop meming

[minor monolith]

so I have no clue why you all are so picky at eachother

[ionic arch]

Bork

[minor monolith]

they are just too awesome

[iron furnace]

oh dont worry i dont care anymore haha. just tried to make my point clear

[minor monolith]

🐊 🐊 🐊

[carmine path]

Nice

[minor monolith]

FIXED

forgot the rest of the world doesnt use alligator too often

[hybrid matrix]

i was just trying to help u for future arguments

[carmine path]

I the Floridian shall educate you all on Alligatorology

[iron furnace]

ofc u did man... u made my night tho haha didnt laugh this much in days

[hybrid matrix]

well im glad i could help

this cracked me up too

[carmine path]

I laugh when Shen tries to make an argument about utahs being the superior dino

So what do we think about losing more stam on heavier targets than lighter targets for Deino’s Lunge

[iron furnace]

makes sense

[minor monolith]

I think that tug of war will be great for that

iirc we are getting a tug of war mechanic

[carmine path]

Only problem is it is light years away

[minor monolith]

it can be adopted for deino, clinging on with its jaws

what I would love to have right now is a thrash mechanic

like I bite, hold, and thrash

causing insane bleed

[carmine path]

I been wanting a better Deino Water sense that doesn’t require holding Q underwater and doesn’t last only 10sec and is next to useless

[minor monolith]

boosted water sense should be able to see things at standstill

the smaller you are the more sensitive you should be

[iron furnace]

then babies wouldnt be safe anywhere

[minor monolith]

thats where the sensitivity comes in

proportional to your size and whatever action you are doing at the time

meaning babies are stealthy

[iron furnace]

makes it a lot more complicated tho... why do u want that

[minor monolith]

its more complicated to explain than use

simply: the heavier you are the more noise you make

[carmine path]

The bigger you are you should also have better water sense because of the Vibrational Sensors on the Deino’s snout will have grown in numbers and sensitivity

[iron furnace]

ye but also to program... what would u use it for?

[carmine path]

Well technically it is already a mechanic just reworked

[minor monolith]

stealth is a vital factor for surival

and hydrophonic stealth is insanely important for aquatic survival

why do you think submarines are so quiet?

[carmine path]

Especially for deino

[minor monolith]

a deino is a toothy submarine

[iron furnace]

ye but atm you can be quiet in water by standing still so why is there a need to rework

[minor monolith]

because when moving you and larger deinos detect eachother at useless ranges for the youngling

as in: far too close

add in the fact that younger deinos have to move more often

and that rivers have zero cover - bad time

I literally had to commando crawl my way into swamp for minutes on end to get around the croc that always is camping the one entrance

[trim dock]

trying to grow a deino makes me wanna die

[minor monolith]

i literally spawned in next to an adult

[carmine path]

And with deino having a range on water sense that is only like 5meters is next to useless

[trim dock]

an adult killed my baby with a full body in the water

like maybe if you starving then idk

[minor monolith]

(yeah if anybody knows how crocs behave, they arent this cannibalistic - if I may add)

[trim dock]

not cannibalistic enough to kill babies for the shit and giggles

[minor monolith]

they do eat eachother quite often, but this is a video game and humans are very violent lol

[carmine path]

Once the hype train dies down and pachy and cera come out they will move on

[iron furnace]

okay ye i agree

[trim dock]

never gotton an adult deino

[minor monolith]

ive done it multiple times

[trim dock]

all of mine killed by adults

[minor monolith]

but only by being boring and going away from the interesting action

and finding random spots to hide and eat fish

[trim dock]

and its just an afk game until an adult finds you

[minor monolith]

instead of interacting with players or anything

so your only option is to simply run from all the cool stuff

until you are old enough to interact

[carmine path]

Deino is currently one of the most BORING ASS GROWS in the game

[trim dock]

man i want me a pachy

[carmine path]

I literally watch Hulu while i grow up

[trim dock]

pachy dont even exist yet but its obviously a chad

[minor monolith]

im hoping that by adding more varied waterways and more cover (or ANY cover in the rivers 😂) that would be a big step towards interesting deino gameplay

[trim dock]

true

kinda want small ponds on the map

[minor monolith]

add on to that proportional water sense (scaled to weight) then you have some interesting stealth mechanics to use in that cover

[trim dock]

maybe they could have a system to stop people from living there all the time cause rivers need players there too

[minor monolith]

some small ponds that feed small streams that feed the river

[carmine path]

The map is still in development so hopefully it gets better waterways cause deinos are severely disadvantaged with how few places there is to go

[minor monolith]

like the only good spot for deinos is the swamp

BUT

[trim dock]

cause rn as far as i know i gotta go into deino city to get a drink

[minor monolith]

you spawn in the RIVER

with TWO mobility options

UP or DOWN stream

[carmine path]

North or south XD

[minor monolith]

good luck

[trim dock]

there aint any fish in the swamps

[minor monolith]

there are

actually

in the wishbone lake

[trim dock]

oh i never seen any

[carmine path]

There is scaly fish(other deinos)

[minor monolith]

there are three main bodies of water in the swamp system

the western main swamp, a small lake/pond in the middle (usually spawns a good number of fish) and the eastern swamp

you are supposed to move around a lot

[trim dock]

aight ill check that out with a ptera or something later

[carmine path]

Hard to move around when you die going to the next place

[minor monolith]

https://vulnona.com/game/the_isle/#

check out this map, its pretty accurate

remember to turn on the elements on the left

[minor monolith]

I survived on a nearly full server by utilizing what I learned in submarine sims

even then I got lucky

because the cover isnt perfect either (but we have some in swamp, yay!)

I stuck to the bottom, slowly moving from log to log

carefully listening in like a paranoid coked out lizard

[carmine path]

As soon as i see deinos i just run on land hide in a bush, push into their model when they come near me if im by a stump and they usually leave

[minor monolith]

I actually stayed in water a lot

going into logs that only I could fit in

[trim dock]

poor baby deinos

[minor monolith]

and coming up to breathe under bushes so I wasnt spotted visually on the surface

[trim dock]

one time a baby deino killed mine

[minor monolith]

its like green beret gameplay

[trim dock]

cause it bit me first

[minor monolith]

like its insane, you are expected to try harder as a baby than adult 😂

[worn pumice]

The issue is when ur adult u have to worry about 5 other adults killing u lol

[minor monolith]

here I am playing metal croc solid

and when I get to adult its lawnchair simulator

[worn pumice]

I swear I always die when I’m adult

There’s always 4 grp deino out there

[minor monolith]

guess ive been lucky

[worn pumice]

Even if u run they cut u off

So like there’s no escape

It’s extremely difficult to survive lol

It’s like being the demons in DOOM

[trim dock]

doesnt sound too fun

[worn pumice]

It isn’t

Sometimes it is

[minor monolith]

combine that with limited mobility options and you often dont have many choices in surival as deino

[worn pumice]

But a lot of the time it’s just constant paranoia

[minor monolith]

basically its pray you make it to swamp, pray you make it out of swamp

[worn pumice]

Lol

[minor monolith]

because it has one entrance

[worn pumice]

Basically yea

Like that’s all u can do

[minor monolith]

and the rivers are only suitable for adults due to their lack of any cover

so you have to grow up in the swamps, which do have tons of cover

but you have to make it in, which is hilariously difficult

[trim dock]

maybe add more underwater vegetation in the rivers

[minor monolith]

or at least time consuming

[worn pumice]

It’s so fucked honestly

[trim dock]

would make it more pretty and idk maybe might help the babies

[minor monolith]

vegetation, hallow logs, rock formations

basically all the stuff swamp has, rivers have too irl

[trim dock]

atleast to help babies when theyre REAL tiny

[minor monolith]

I think the map dev simply had to ship it

and couldnt populate the rivers fully

in my main suggestion I posted days ago, someone came up with the great idea of mangroves

so if you are a baby you could go to gay baby jail until the big deino gets bored

[trim dock]

oooh

mangroves irl shelter baby fish i think

from them bigger fish from eating them

[minor monolith]

yes and there could be big ones that shelter you from various sizes of crocs

[trim dock]

also mangroves are pog

[minor monolith]

with more oriented for smaller crocs

so as you grow, you get less cover options

but of course, you are growing more powerful - so thats the tradeoff

[worn pumice]

Or what if

Like

[minor monolith]

your gameplay moves from stealth and situational awareness to planning and exploration

[worn pumice]

Things 25% smaller then u or less are unable to be seen in water

With ur sense ability

[minor monolith]

nah I think basing it off of weight and activity would work just fine

[trim dock]

sounds nice

[minor monolith]

so the weight+action of the creature would determine if its being "sensed"

[worn pumice]

Well now that we do have a proper map dev

Things should get better

The map devs work is rly rly good actually

[minor monolith]

hoping someone makes that map suggestions channel

[worn pumice]

Atleast from the stuff I’ve seen

[trim dock]

map suggestions sounds cool

[minor monolith]

because our river system could be immensely better

currently its a mud halfpipe with an occasional dead tree

[trim dock]

like it would look cool for swamps or rivers to have mangroves

[worn pumice]

Honestly it’s hard to call em rivers

Their more like narrow pathways

[trim dock]

l o n g b o d i e s o f w a t e r

[worn pumice]

Lol

[minor monolith]

which is fine for origin points for rivers

in balance feedback, I suggested that our rivers should grow as they combine with other waterways

growing wider, and having more water features

things like oxbow lakes and deltas

cutoff channels, etc

[worn pumice]

Honestly the “rivers” we have now work as good small path ways to other things

[trim dock]

oxbows would be interesting

[worn pumice]

Not an entire stretch of just mud and water tho

That’s what we have now

[minor monolith]

https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.1210595795.8417/st,small,507x507-pad,600x600,f8f8f8.jpg

[trim dock]

cool gator

[worn pumice]

Wish I was on my pc

[minor monolith]

https://www.geographypods.com/uploads/7/6/2/2/7622863/published/434201541.png?1599418607

this is a pretty cool visual aid

our rivers dont start in super mountainous areas like this, so we have to bear that in mind

[trim dock]

just wish there were more vegetation in rivers

[minor monolith]

but thats not unusual, since the mississippi starts in what is effectively a super shallow lake

[trim dock]

like idk seagrass at the bottom

[minor monolith]

yeah vegitation, rock, logs, mangroves

all would be a huge help to small aquatics trying to survive

[trim dock]

makes good hiding spot ✅

looks good ✅

[worn pumice]

I think the overflux of deino players

And not a proper water and river system is what happened

[trim dock]

yeah

[minor monolith]

yes, but it wont be super empty when deinos arent being spammed

[trim dock]

deino population will probably die down