general-feedback-discussion

[urban flax]

Yes, I didn't say the opposite. But human gameplay will be much more engaging with strains to fight

[barren zephyr]

How so? (I don't know much on human/strain interaction plans)

[sonic mural]

I wonder how long it will take to grow and get a strain my guess is 48 hours in game time lol

Or 72 hours

[urban flax]

From what I know of the lore, strains and humans are intricated. Either it's strains that are meant to kill humans, either humans are on the island in order to kill strains

[barren zephyr]

So somebodies gonna die...

[urban flax]

I'm pretty sure it's gonna be a matter of skill and specific conditions rather than stupidly long wait times

[urban flax]

Death is the essence of life

[sonic mural]

Yea might also have to do on what u eat and stuff like that

[barren zephyr]

Can't have one without the other.

[urban flax]

Now we're going philosophic

[barren zephyr]

Yea, Ima head out then.

[urban flax]

I hope we're also going to get some herbi strains too btw

I even thought about making a suggestion about it, since herbies can't be hyperendocrins, I don't know if it would be possible to convince devs to create a new type of strain exclusive for herbies, like the Osteogenic strain or something

[barren zephyr]

Hyper Dryo when?

[urban flax]

It's highly unlikely tho since they were not initially part of the lore...

[urban flax]

Osteo dryo

[barren zephyr]

or better Neuro Oro

[sonic mural]

A trike strain would be horrifying or a shant strain

[barren zephyr]

Neuro Oro can use mind control

[ionic arch]

Tisso oro

Type t

[odd sedge]

@low steppe
Deino can oneshot Utah, if you lunge, which is the Deinos core tactic in hunting

[carmine path]

@quick jetty this would be a good suggestion if Muds entire purpose wasn’t just for cleaning wounds and keeping your footprints invisible for a short duration

[sonic mural]

To add onto what Ovi said it’s built for ambushing it’s not a fighter

[odd sedge]

☝️

[carmine path]

Eh Deino is an ambusher but it can defend when it wants

[sonic mural]

Yea other deinos is the only thing it should really be defending itself from

[odd sedge]

Too early for rex

[urban flax]

Another one wanting rex AI to suicide on megapacks...

[sonic mural]

The only Dino that would be worried about rex ai when in groups is a stego since it’s one of the slowest in the game rn everything else currently is faster than it

But a group of stegos would most likely kill it depending on how many there are

[worn pumice]

rex is a little to early rn

[digital vessel]

I thought they fixed the crashing it seems more worse now than before its happening every 15 minutes like clockwork and in Q&A never not one crash? Which is weird I have a brand new gaming pc with the new geforce rtx 3000 series, internet is a solid 1gig connection down 50mb up... Kinda mad lost a Deino to this crash

Too add its not happening in legacy or on other games I play and it recently just started with evirma with huge desync in-game today.

[sonic mural]

Yea true

[worn pumice]

cuz the only good decent meal would be stego and deino

tenos would be good too but its hard to catch them since they r quite mobile and then obviously carno can peace out fast

[sonic mural]

Yea

[worn pumice]

deinos can just stay in water

the only thing left is stego

[sonic mural]

Idk how how fast kentro is gonna be but it could also be good food if it’s not too fast

[worn pumice]

which means the rex would have to constantly put its life on the line everytime it wanted to hunt

kentro hopefully is fast enough to out run a rex

if not it should atleast be much more agile then a stego

once more dinos come in then rex will have sum prey items to eat

[sonic mural]

Yea

[knotty grail]

More dinos more good

I absolutely love Evirma, but the lack of species variety really hurts, but i cant go back to Legacy now. lol

Do we know if Rex will be playable on day 1, or just as AI first? The roadmap only lists it as "ongoing: AI"

(day 1 of whenever it is done for AI implementation)

[burnt bone]

Rex will likely just be ai for a while

[urban flax]

We can't be sure tho, devs will change things in the roadmap after update 4

[burnt bone]

or at least thats what i heard

[hybrid matrix]

i hope rex will be one of the last things to come in

same for giga and spino and brachi and cama etc

[burnt bone]

I think they are trying to build the ecosystem still so adding an apex now would be very bad

[knotty grail]

fair dues

[burnt bone]

thats why most the additions are small or medium creatures

[knotty grail]

if its just like 2 apex AI per server it wouldnt be too bad

[hybrid matrix]

u mean rn?

[burnt bone]

there will be more apexes as the maggy and cerato come tho but they are not true apexes

[knotty grail]

we dont have to assume the WORST like 50 rexes on a server. There are ways to do it slightly more easing into it

[burnt bone]

yeah, but imagine playing in a herd of tenos and then some rex ai just runs over and kills half the herd

[knotty grail]

i think knowing that big dinos exist on the map is a huge part in the immersion and fun factor, even if they're very limited in population to not mess up balance

[burnt bone]

it could be fun, but also very annoying

[knotty grail]

@burnt bone again you're assuming the worst, the herd could just run away, or keep their heads awake

[hybrid matrix]

any amount of rexes will fuck up the balance in the current game

theres nothing to hunt rexes yet

[burnt bone]

the strongest thing we have is a stego

[knotty grail]

it'd eventually be whittled down, if there's only one on a server

[burnt bone]

and there will prob be like 2 or 3 to take out a rex

[hybrid matrix]

stego and deino

[knotty grail]

it wont be invincible

[hybrid matrix]

it rlly fucking will

[molten tulip]

If you want more carni diversity cerato is coming pretty soon

[hybrid matrix]

nothing in our current roster can fight a rex

[knotty grail]

rolls my eyes

[burnt bone]

I disagree, deino is nowhere near as powerful head on as a stego, and it can not ambush a rex

[knotty grail]

im not talking 1 on 1

[hybrid matrix]

stego can stand up to a rex for a short amount of time

[knotty grail]

im talking a whole server vs 1 rex

[hybrid matrix]

im saying stego is the strongest herbi and deino is the strongest carni

[knotty grail]

nothing has to be able to fight it 1 on 1, its an apex

[hybrid matrix]

that is literally the definition of terrible balance

[molten tulip]

As soon as a rex drops everyone will be playing it

[burnt bone]

but yeah, basically I saying we need to wait to have an ecosystem capable of handling an apex before we add them

[hybrid matrix]

u wanna add something that can only be defeated by a megapack of mixpackers?

[burnt bone]

we are talking about rex ai since that will be likely coming first

[hybrid matrix]

or just add the apexes last

[burnt bone]

yeah

[hybrid matrix]

so rex and trike r in the same update

then giga and shant

then spino

and then cama and brachi

[burnt bone]

or spino first, its not as strong as the other apexes

[hybrid matrix]

spino is heavier and will be the most dangerous one since it'll be able to submerge

[burnt bone]

much more aquatic hunter rather than a killing machine

IDK how they will implement it tho

[hybrid matrix]

ur thinking of a different spino

our spino is this

[burnt bone]

u right

[dense vale]

isnt spino walking speed simulator

[hybrid matrix]

??

idr wut spinos animations r

[dense vale]

in legacy it was very slow

[hybrid matrix]

dont base things off of legacy stats

[ionic arch]

It'll be very strong once added in Evrima so if you are playing as deino, it's going to be a nightmare for you

[burnt bone]

i think deinos should be able to see and run from spinos since the spino destroys them

[carmine path]

Swim from spino

[digital vessel]

I thought your first pounce was free then a 10 second CD?

If not its broken =p

[worn pumice]

Deinos can easily swim away from spino honestly

Not to mention it has the ability to already see where the spino is

[carmine path]

@idle crescent great feedback. Glad you addressed the on going problem of Deinos reliability on it’s extremely limited water ways

[brave nova]

I think the stego's tail swing is good as it is. you can bait a swing and get an attack in on the cooldown consistently, just takes some practice

[barren zephyr]

@dense meteor that would make stego fodder, you can already bait out the tail swing to get a hit in, your change would just make it so you dont even have to scared of stego, since you could just bait out the tail and go in since it has no chance to hit back

stego is punished hard enough for missing a swing, just get better reaction time to punish the stego

[paper oriole]

i feel like he's a utah main that ran in and got slapped because he didn't stop and plan things out for a second (like most utahs seemingly)

very specific reason in his suggestion

"make stego weak so i can run in ez and bite it before it can defend itself"

[barren zephyr]

Yeah people dont expect to have to think while fighting

they just want to go in and shitstomp everything

[lucid mauve]

Utahs destroy stegos right now, atleast if you have some clue what your doing

[paper oriole]

they already do that with their ez grow megapacks too since they grow so fast

[barren zephyr]

not really, stego got a masive buf against utah this patch

[lucid mauve]

what happend ? : D

[barren zephyr]

yep, utah needs a general nerf

[worn pumice]

wait what was stegos massive buff?

[paper oriole]

every single utah in the megapacks running around can be braincell short of a potato and still roll over stegos due to sheer numbers and bleed

[molten tulip]

The grow time is really short for an animal that can outmaneuver everything, jump, and deal tons of damage in the pounce

[lucid mauve]

Thats why i love body down rule servers, cus then its about skill and not how many you are

[barren zephyr]

if a attack hits two sections it will register damage for the highest damaging zone

its hard to explain but basically if a utah turns its tail towards stego and the stegos tail hits the utahs body, it will count as a body hit

[worn pumice]

ah

i like that

thats cool

[barren zephyr]

^ if they're going to lower utahs growth it needs to get a nerf to most things

minus speed of course

[worn pumice]

personally i dont see why utah got a growth nerf

[paper oriole]

for one, utah has too much hp for his weight and build, but that doesnt really affec tit vs stego

[worn pumice]

yea why does utah have 750 hp

[barren zephyr]

because everything got a growth nerf

[paper oriole]

mostly deino would benefit form utah not having the hp vs weight ratio of a tank while not being one

[barren zephyr]

utah has 1000

[lucid mauve]

I think we all gonna love the utahs , when dilos and troodons come : D

[paper oriole]

utah's hp is like twice is weight it's stupid

[worn pumice]

my b i meant why does utah not have 750 hp

[worn pumice]

^

[barren zephyr]

not sure

[paper oriole]

nah utah is so ugly it doesn't matter how annoying troodon and dilo are they will still be better

[worn pumice]

how does utah always end up being op

i dont get it

[barren zephyr]

utah bias

[paper oriole]

the devs love their jp fanboy raptor

[molten tulip]

Same deal with rex

[lucid mauve]

dondi always liked utah : P

[carmine path]

Utah pounce stonks

[barren zephyr]

the way utah is balanced just leads to a overpowered dinosaur

[paper oriole]

make it hideous as hell + make it strong as hell + make it ez grow

[barren zephyr]

It should be treated like a 500kg raptor and not some anime protagonist

[lucid mauve]

well you could go allo, and kill tons of utahs

[worn pumice]

i wish if they were going for this bulky raptor they would give it a decently bulky model

[barren zephyr]

^

[paper oriole]

yeah sure when allo is released next year maybe lol

and then utah still wrecks allo probably

[lucid mauve]

lol true

[barren zephyr]

pounce is just too strong for utahs size and growth

[worn pumice]

^

[barren zephyr]

needs a nerf to bleed and damage

[worn pumice]

also fix pounce cycle

[barren zephyr]

whats wrong with it?

[paper oriole]

considering how insanely easy it is to make and sustain large packs rolling over stegos and any other upcoming slow large animal probably, it should have its damage output reduced or its growth and hunger drain increased

[lucid mauve]

Maybe the pachy will kill the utahs : P

[paper oriole]

make the juvies starve more

[barren zephyr]

and people keep saying "food will limit mega packs"

when the current game shows that will NEVER work

[worn pumice]

what happens is basically one utah will pounce u and u'll start bucking right? well if another utah pounces and gets on the bucking cancels and u need to hold e again

[paper oriole]

yeah not when they roll over everything aside from the less common carno megapack lol

[worn pumice]

so utahs can just keep one on and have the other mounting and dismounting

[barren zephyr]

thats so dumb

[worn pumice]

indeed

its for every dino btw

[lucid mauve]

I just run over to a tree and they fall off

[worn pumice]

i just hate how u need trees

[barren zephyr]

its weird how thats the best option against utah and not......... the mechanic made to counter it

[paper oriole]

knocking utahs off on trees and rocks as larger animals should damage the utahs

a stego squicking a utah against a tree should devastate it

[worn pumice]

it should be a useful addition for u not something u literally need

[lucid mauve]

But carnos are good counters to utahs

[molten tulip]

Lol if you lower food/ai theyre just incentivized to kill everything more and make larger packs

[barren zephyr]

yep

[worn pumice]

^

[barren zephyr]

only way for a "food limit" to work is if the dinosaurs base food is super low

which isnt fun

[paper oriole]

well they already kill everything for sport if theyre not hungry regardless, they should take longer to grow or be weakened either way

[worn pumice]

here this is what the pounce cycle is this is what i was talking about

oh it didnt work

lemme retry that

this#401464048610312195 message

[barren zephyr]

That 100% needs to be fixed

[worn pumice]

yes

[molten tulip]

I want to make a suggestion for dilo/troo venom being geared to killing pack communication so dilos and troos can control packs by taking advantage of night vision, but idk if thats a playstyle that would work (especially for troo since they're tiny)

[barren zephyr]

I dont fee like dilo should be much of a pack hunter

[paper oriole]

dilo venom killing pack communication makes sense since it affects the brain

[barren zephyr]

Dilo should be in a weird middle ground

[brave nova]

how do you kill pack communication when we're all in discord vc anyway though

[paper oriole]

make a lot of predators like eating utahraptor for their diet perks

[barren zephyr]

^

Dilos diet should 100% include utahs

and herreas

and austros

hell lots of things in the small tier should despise utah

[molten tulip]

Like dilo venom making every call sound like a 4 call to you, or changing every local message you get to random letters

[brave nova]

everyone wants to kill utahs anyway lol

[paper oriole]

carno - favourite snack utah
dilo - favourite snack utah
cerato - favourite snack utah

[worn pumice]

if utah isnt in carnos diet im gonna riot

[barren zephyr]

[paper oriole]

carno should prefer utah, dryo, galli and mono probably

small guys

[barren zephyr]

Hm, what about herrea/austro vs utah?

[worn pumice]

oh yea have u guys heard of the invisible deino bug?

[barren zephyr]

Wonder how they'll handle that since utah is super strong atm

[paper oriole]

austro would probably get his shit rocked

[molten tulip]

^

Skinny stick legs

[worn pumice]

austro isnt rly a fighter

[paper oriole]

he should be fast, better fall resistance than utah because of lighter build

[molten tulip]

Herrera has the advantage of climbing away

[brave nova]

carno got a real buff vs utah though

[barren zephyr]

eh

I dont feel like austro needs to be faster

[paper oriole]

like i really cant see austro defending itself 1v1 against any utah with 2 brain cells to rub together

[barren zephyr]

well those utahs are pretty rare

[paper oriole]

that is true

[worn pumice]

austro is semi aquatic

so it doesnt need to be faster then utah

[barren zephyr]

but I can see austro out stamming utah, out running though? nah

[worn pumice]

plus we'll most likely get better rivers now that they have a map dev

[paper oriole]

austro can probably run in deper water than utah with those stilty ass legs and swim faster

[barren zephyr]

utahs going to be stupid once its able to climb

its just going to shit on balance

[paper oriole]

the devs should honestly have just saved the momentum based tree climbing for velo

[barren zephyr]

Unless its super bad at it

[paper oriole]

utah doesnt need it any easier

[frank matrix]

We need dino that is an omnivore

[barren zephyr]

yeah, now utahs cant really get punished for doing stupid shit

sinc they can just climb up a tree

[paper oriole]

we're getting ovi, beipi and galli as omnis

so far

[frank matrix]

We need dino that is an omnivore

[worn pumice]

have deinos physics broke?

[paper oriole]

um

bro

we're getting like 3 omnis so far

[carmine path]

Prob gonna cost a shit ton of stam and if you don’t get up you prob fall on your ass and get stunned badly

[barren zephyr]

It's going to be boderline uselesss or overpowered for sur

[carmine path]

Pretty much

[paper oriole]

utah should take brain damage for falling while climbing and hitting his hollow little head on the ground

[icy lion]

there are 3 confirmed omnivores coming to the game

[torn thistle]

Oviraptor, Beipiaosaurus, Gallimimus.

[barren zephyr]

The only way to balance it is making it so it cost stam for utah to even be on the tree

but like at that point why even add it

[carmine path]

You got that big ass list for confirmed dinos?

[paper oriole]

i wonder if theri is gonna be omni that'd be great

[barren zephyr]

I can see a ant eater theri perk

[icy lion]

yea but theres some incorrect listings there

[paper oriole]

if galli gets omni i can definitely see theri gettin it

[torn thistle]

I would like to see Plateo be semi-omnivorous, at least with raiding termite mounds

[carmine path]

Gimme gimme

[torn thistle]

Same with Theri

[paper oriole]

theri eating little juvies

[barren zephyr]

termite mound would be a great add for spiro

would make the plains less boring

[paper oriole]

sticking them on his claws and eating them like kebab

[icy lion]

#general-feedback message

[worn pumice]

oh ye i think they broke deino physics in the latest patch

[torn thistle]

I know Jaffad had a fleshed out doc for a savanna map with termite raiding for Dryo, Galli, Plateo and Theri

[barren zephyr]

Man imagine trying to kill a utah once they get climbing

I hope they rethink it

[carmine path]

Ty Lunary

[barren zephyr]

since it just seems like a bad addition

[paper oriole]

yeah utah definitely doesnt need it

[icy lion]

np

[paper oriole]

velo should get it instead

would look better on velo than a 500kg dino anyway

[barren zephyr]

yep

[worn pumice]

is anyone else having issues with deinos IK?

[carmine path]

Everyone is

[worn pumice]

ah ok

just making sure it wasnt me

[carmine path]

Deino hitbox, collision, and physics the wonders of deino know no bounds

[worn pumice]

atleast the alt bite is good

[carmine path]

😑

[worn pumice]

the hitbox is quite god on that\

everything else tho

[swift dew]

@random hazel we are already getting 3 sauropods and they essentially all do the same thing, no need to add more

[random hazel]

why not, the game isn't limited

[paper oriole]

Juvenile sauropods being the size of baby chickens lol what
Im sure its just exaggeration but

[swift dew]

because its pointless to have multiple animals doing the same thing

[random hazel]

[random hazel]

well then it's pointless to add cera and more carnivores for example

[paper oriole]

If they added more sauros they should be unique to what we're getting, things like shuno and baja come to mind

[swift dew]

no, it really isnt

name something that does the same thing as cera

[random hazel]

amargasaurus, and something enormous like mamenchi

[random hazel]

every other carnivorous dinosaur

hunt and eat

the same basic premise

[swift dew]

[random hazel]

stats differ only

havent played cera in legacy if you're wondering

[swift dew]

but they all do it differently, things like the big sauropods survive in the EXACT SAME WAY

[random hazel]

okay well so do all herbivores?

is this era of terror all over again

[swift dew]

no they don't

a dibble is a small cerotopsian that fights smaller things and runs from bigger thigns

[random hazel]

neither sauropods they have categories within them they're not all the same

[swift dew]

your boiling everything down to herbivore and carnivore

[paper oriole]

You could say there's no reason to have both stego, trike and brachi because they all are just “slow and defensive”

Its a bad argument

[swift dew]

ok what is a argentinosaurus going to do differently than a brachi

nothing different, they are going to be so giant that they are basically untouchable

that is their plan

no reason to have multiple things doing that

[random hazel]

maybe different meat taste when the diet system comes?

they could also make it so that they eat different types of trees

[swift dew]

thats not unique enough

[random hazel]

why does this matter so much anyway

[worn pumice]

well certain dinos will have their own perferred prey

[random hazel]

isn't the game supposed to have variety and numbers

I'm like talking to EOT members again

[paper oriole]

No reason to do that when there will likely obly br a few dinos who have sauropods as preferred prey

[swift dew]

because iirc it takes 7k dollars to make a single dino from scratch, there is no reason to waste 7k on a clone for something else

and also there is no reason

[worn pumice]

whos going to hunt an Argentinasaurus?

[random hazel]

mapu

[swift dew]

mapu isnt coming

[silver zephyr]

mapu

[random hazel]

yeah for now:)

[paper oriole]

Cera with magy, allo woth apato, acro with cama, giga with brachi

For example

[worn pumice]

mapu isnt coming

argen is how much bigger then brachi?

[random hazel]

oh do you think I'm suggesting sauropods for the near future?

[random hazel]

they can make their meats taste different and give them different stats and special abilities easy

[paper oriole]

Just think of actual unique sauropods there are a good few of them

[worn pumice]

baja

immediately comes to mind

[paper oriole]

Like atlasaurus, baja and amarga, shuno, ampelo

[silver zephyr]

name some special abilities

[swift dew]

but they aren't unique enough to add them, personally I dont want bronto added to the game since its very similar in size to cama

[silver zephyr]

[random hazel]

argentino would have more brute strength and a better stomp if the brachi is going to stomp anyway

[random hazel]

don't know up to them

[swift dew]

they arent getting stomps, that is just ridiculous

[worn pumice]

they both do the same thing tho

its why we dont have tarbo and rex

[silver zephyr]

[worn pumice]

or toro and trike

[swift dew]

or mapu and giga

[worn pumice]

^

or deino and sarco

[random hazel]

it's just a suggestion jesus

[worn pumice]

actually sarco is somewhat unique with its jaws

[random hazel]

if this is a religious area I'm gonna take a break and continue my deino routine

[paper oriole]

Yeah and this is a channel for suggestion feedback

[wintry monolith]

@manic thicket wdy

[paper oriole]

Sauropods are neat and it'd be neat to have more but they gotta be unique

We have 4 and a half sauros coming already

[swift dew]

if your getting offended because we dont like your suggestion then you should stop posting here, that is a terrible mindset

[worn pumice]

ayo whats that gta suggestion about/

?*

im so confused

[random hazel]

I'm not, it seems the other way around or that you're taking it personally

like I tried to suggest how more sauropods could work and it signaled the apocalypse

[urban flax]

I should replace Tarbosaurus with Mapusaurus in my 4 horsemen of The Isle meme...

[swift dew]

no you gave a suggestion and im telling you why its not good, and your now your offended about it

[random hazel]

I'm not offended

at least through text it sounded like the tone wasn't good

[paper oriole]

It confused me how people can ever seriously suggest mapusaurus and carchardontosaurus when they’re literally just different flavours of giga lol

[wintry monolith]

i have no fucking idea has he played some wierd knock off/old free download version

[swift dew]

"it's just a suggestion jesus" this sounds pretty offended

[dense vale]

ego battles in feedback discussion

[paper oriole]

It's routine

[worn pumice]

yo this gta suggestion is just wow

[random hazel]

I'm not offended but whatever you say

[worn pumice]

wtf is even like

[random hazel]

it was an expression of shock

didn't think the tone of replies would sound like that

[worn pumice]

he prolly coped a pirated copy of the isle with viruses or something

[random hazel]

like I got attacked but whatever

[wintry monolith]

because they are a little smaller so it will be a bit like a big sub or just a more mobile and nible giga

[worn pumice]

bro

imagine cheating in the isle

actually sad

[swift dew]

tone? its a message on discord, how could you get tone from a message? I didn't even use emojis

[wintry monolith]

yeah just fucking grow and spend some time becoming good

[worn pumice]

like actually

y waste time using a re-shade lol

so sad

[wintry monolith]

wording?

[random hazel]

don't know it's hard to explain but I can kind of read tone

[random hazel]

that and how fast someone replies

like I tried to give bigger sauropods more light and all of a sudden it's like I was being attacked for trying

[wintry monolith]

?? i dont want to get draged into your stupid argument

[random hazel]

ok?

[swift dew]

we were just saying why more sauropods wouldn't be good because they would just be clones of the ones we are already getting

[torn thistle]

Ok, look

[random hazel]

and I was saying there are ways they can come up with to make them unique

how I don't know I didn't give it thought

not on the spot at least

[torn thistle]

When it comes to creature suggestions, you'll need to consider a few things:
-What it could add to gameplay?
-What unique Survival mechanics it could have?
-What makes it different from any of the current / future roster critters?
-Why should it be added / what would make players choose it over [x]?

Suggestions that boil down to "Add [x] cuz it's cool and maybe a bunch of people want it" isn't exactly enough

Like the people who want things like Pelagornis or Deinocheirus

[wintry monolith]

you could say the same with camera and shant or oro and dryo

[urban flax]

Objection your honor ! Deinocheirus could make a good addition for the game !

[silver zephyr]

how is camara a shant clone

[wintry monolith]

denioceherius would be kinda viable tho.....

[silver zephyr]

[urban flax]

We don't have any wading omnivore apex yet !

They didn't say camara they said camera

[swift dew]

cama would play much differently than shant and oro is like 1/10 of the size of dryo, they are nothing alike

[elder rivet]

no point in arguing over it, they already decided which dino the CD will be

[urban flax]

They did ?

[wintry monolith]

im not saying it is just saying both are gigant herbs that are loved by herds bc they scare of predetors

[urban flax]

Which one will it be then ?

[elder rivet]

probably, they've just not revealed it yet

[strange wave]

and hopefully we will never have one

[swift dew]

its decided just not revealed

[urban flax]

Oh

[wintry monolith]

i have gone to long not seeing an oro

[swift dew]

oro: 19kg

[torn thistle]

Oro / Hypsi vs Dryo more like it

[swift dew]

dryo :120 kg

[wintry monolith]

thats legacy stuf tho we dont have evrima stats for it, before oro was just an juvi stomach filler but in evrima it will need to have an viable feature

[elder rivet]

[swift dew]

that isnt legacy stats, that is the actual estimates for the actual size of the animals

[wintry monolith]

would anyone wana play an 19 kg burrower tho

[swift dew]

and if oro is the size of dryo then spino gets to be 50k kg

[swift dew]

who says oro is a burrower, and second of all i dont think oro should come to the game now that they have added hypsi

[random hazel]

amargasaurus

[urban flax]

Oro is coming back
Every dino from legacy is coming back

[silver zephyr]

besides pue

[urban flax]

The fact they're the same size doesn't mean they will fill the same niche

[swift dew]

i know that, but oro and hypsi are kinda the same thing. there is only two things to make you viable at that size which is climbing which hypsi is getting and burrowing which multiple other smalls are getting, so idk what oro is going to do

[drifting rose]

hmm could be both i am just noticing the chunk in its mouth

[urban flax]

Hypsi isn't getting climbing

[odd sedge]

I have no idea what this discussion is about but I have to say two things.

1. 10 hours for a dinosaur, even if it's a big sauropod, seems a bit extreme.

2. I really like the flesh chunk ripping off the living animal. It would deal a ton of bleed and would lock it's health until it's healed but the idea itself is pretty nice

[torn thistle]

At least in the dossiers it's shown to be leaping up into trees, so maybe?

[urban flax]

I'm pretty sure devs said once that hypsi wasn't meant to be a climber

[torn thistle]

Hrm. Well, we'll just have to wait and see. https://i.imgur.com/zrRs2cI.jpg

[urban flax]

They just happen to be able to perch in tree with their high jumps

[odd sedge]

Hypsi climbing was anatomically impossible right?

[last widget]

@bronze oasis yeah more likely trashcan utah mains, what little dipshits bro lol.

[urban flax]

Well yes, but we shouldn't think too much about what The Isle dinos could normally do anatomically

[swift dew]

maybe oro can be an effective tree climber. maybe as good if not better at climbing trees than herra going from tree to tree, and hypsi can only climb a single tree but cant jump around

[urban flax]

I mean we have a galloping stego, a jumping utah and irl hypsi couldn't even jump iirc

[bronze oasis]

yeah

[random hazel]

Two is really nice, makes the game easier and more convenient for both sides

[urban flax]

I think Oro will be a burrower, but from what we've seen all burrowers won't burrow the same way, it can still be different mechanics from one burrower to another

[swift dew]

and 10 hours for a sauropod would be fine, especially with diets to shorten that growth by multiple hours

[last widget]

another feedback, oh look at this? made stego even stronger... fucking amazing work devs keep ruining your deino. my bad for pinging

[odd sedge]

Okay fair

[urban flax]

I don't see the point of super long growth times

[last widget]

lmao, whats super long? what 2 hours?

[urban flax]

10 hours is super long

[bronze oasis]

these guys who use reshade, don't know how to play

[last widget]

agreed but those wont be any timer for anything besides probs cama or any future long neck dinos like pue.. but pue was replaced with brachi

[urban flax]

That's not like an adult sauropod can wipe the entire server
Sure they're pretty much invincible, but if your wish is to be invincible, might as well play ptera, it's shorter to grow

[barren zephyr]

That buff kind of makes me happy

[last widget]

back in 2016 i grew a pue from hatchling to adult for 12 hours

never did that shit again

[urban flax]

Oh the hitbox change ? It was much needed

[nova anchor]

the hitbox change is nice

[last widget]

what the shitty stego one?

[nova anchor]

it isn't just for stego

it's most noticeable against stego though

[last widget]

they made stego way stronger didnt they

?

[urban flax]

It's better for realism and better for gameplay

[nova anchor]

not way stronger

it just punishes stupidy further

[last widget]

cool so making deino even more shit lol

[urban flax]

It's stronger against utahs who tank hits with their tails

[nova anchor]

if you're playing deino you should be staying far away from stego

[urban flax]

It's also a buff to deino

[nova anchor]

also yeah it technically helps deino

[last widget]

i get deino shouldnt go toe to toe with stego but... tbh...... it supports kosing stegos.

[nova anchor]

kos is fun as fuck

[odd sedge]

To be fair, everyone who dies to a sauropod because they weren't paying attention, deserves it

[last widget]

but hey ig, i mean not like they will change it or anything

[last widget]

kos is just for scrub lords

[urban flax]

It doesn't really support anything
It helps defending stegos more thann it supports kosing stegos

[last widget]

just go play fortnite with that mentality

[random hazel]

all I know is that this is an online game so absolutely nothing is set in stone and any day from now there's a chance they'll go back on things they've said before so then at some point in the future larger sauropods than the ones currently planned will be added, I know a game called War Thunder that focuses on aircraft, tanks and naval vessels from WW2 till the modern period but that wasn't always the case, for years they kept saying no supersonic aircraft no modern technology and look where it is now

[nova anchor]

😢

[last widget]

its true tho lmao

[nova anchor]

on a serious note, aggro herbi is great because it discourages stupid gameplay from carnivores

[urban flax]

Adding new content is something else than adding content that is already in the game with another name

[nova anchor]

I love fuckin destroying dumbass utah packs as a tenonto

[random hazel]

think out of the box this is another one of those games that survives on new content they will come up with ways to make more sauropods unique

[urban flax]

If things like mapu or carchar ever comes, that'll be as skins

[last widget]

true... but when you got a group of herbs and their main goal is to hunt carnivores and act like over aggressive hypos then it starts to just make them look retarded and make them look like fortnite kids

[past tusk]

people will always cry about stego but look how ridiculous it is now, this buff is game breaking for them, and it just fucked over everything else

[urban flax]

no

[paper oriole]

is this guy in suggestions mad that stego always oneshots his quick grow jp raptor now?

[last widget]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[nova anchor]

"this person killed me in a survival game 😢 "

[urban flax]

Utahs tanking hits with their tails was gamebreaking

[sonic mural]

😂

[last widget]

yeah no that aint me, good try tho kiddo.

[paper oriole]

utah has more hp than he needs anyway

[nova anchor]

yeah if you're a utah harassing a stego you should be avoiding getting hit lmao

[last widget]

^^^^^^^^^^

[nova anchor]

if you get whacked it's your fault

[urban flax]

I think all playables have bloated hp to prevent oneshots as much as possible

[last widget]

you shouldnt be a dumb sweaty utah tryna clap a grown ass stego lol

[random hazel]

since they're going to add kentro swap it with miragaia or add both

[paper oriole]

utah shouldnt just be able to run off and roll in mud after getting hit by a 6 ton animal

[nova anchor]

utah can kill stego in large coordinated numbers

[sonic mural]

It’s actually easy beating a stego as a Utah especially if ur in a pack

[nova anchor]

but not if youre a dumbass

[last widget]

goes the same with you shouldnt be a utah trying a grown trex, i mean you can try but when you get 1 shotted dont cry

[sonic mural]

If u go in for a bite as a Utah ur chances of dying is 95% lmao

[nova anchor]

use pounce against stego

[last widget]

i kinda miss when stego was always getting shit on in legacy :/

[nova anchor]

dont fuckin bite it as a utah

[past tusk]

since you can 100% tail a utah on pounce dismount thanks to their landing 'animation' utah is completely useless, its been fucked out of existance

[sonic mural]

Thank u I hate when I’m in a pack and they go for a bite and die lmao

[last widget]

well - we had true apexs at that point to handle stegys

[random hazel]

what makes suchomimus different from baryonyx gameplay wise?

[nova anchor]

big

[last widget]

i mean what if a dumb stego hits utahs tail.. does it get 1 shotted? cause that is dumb and ruins locational dmg for utah.

[urban flax]

If it hits only the tail nothing will change

[random hazel]

that's it?

[last widget]

so little to no dmg or 1 shot

[sonic mural]

Yea I don’t think a stego tail can kill something by hitting the tip of its tail

[last widget]

and stronger and has more bleed then poopoo bary

[nova anchor]

iirc sucho is supposed to be more like a bear and bary is supposed to be a jaguar

[sonic mural]

A body shot/headshot is definitely a kill against Utahs tho

[paper oriole]

consider this a trade for shortened growth timers on your generic fantasy raptor

[random hazel]

ah okay

[last widget]

for sure

[nova anchor]

sucho is big and heavy, bary is smaller and more nimble

[random hazel]

I played sucho only once on legacy, got really bored because the servers were dead and I died of hunger

[last widget]

but not a tail hit that would be dumb and i hate utah mains but least i can say that isnt fair lmao

[urban flax]

I think Utah could even survive a rex bite if hit to the tail
What's the worse that can happen ? A severed tail, that's all

[elder rivet]

i'm pretty sure that change was made because of this

[paper oriole]

if they add tail break in fractures it could mess up their ability to sprint and turn properly

[nova anchor]

lmao probably

[sonic mural]

Yea it would do tons of bleed but won’t kill it maybe

[urban flax]

Tail fractures would be interesting

[paper oriole]

tail fracture, rib fracture, fracture for each limb, and jaw fracture

[last widget]

um.. no see being a salty rex main.... i dont agree.... trex should 1 shot it no matter where it hits unless its tip tip tail.... but like if it hits its tail it should be 1 shotted and picked up n swallowed.

[urban flax]

If its the base, maybe
The tip ? No

[elder rivet]

i'm pretty sure the tip of the tail multiplier is 0.1 you need like 10000 damage to one-shot a utah there

[nova anchor]

tail tip should almost never oneshot

[last widget]

i just said the tail tip tip

[nova anchor]

there are obvious exceptions like a hypsi being bit by a deino

but for the most part

[last widget]

eactly

[nova anchor]

tail tip should not oneshot

[last widget]

what did piss me tf off tho was when i bit a baby stego on the ass i mean.. like full on bit its butt cheek and it surived a hit from 100% deino see that is trash

[swift dew]

tail tip should not be a oneshot to anything

[past tusk]

the pounce dismount animation needs to go, both carno and stego can guarantee counter a pouncer when it lands on the floor due to the short freeze ebfore you can control your dino, all you gotta do is sit there and watch them dismount and click = dead. how can you punish a move in a dinos kit just for using it.

[nova anchor]

unless the size difference makes that irrelevant

[swift dew]

nothing in the history of anything has ever died of physical trauma when hit at the tip of the tail or even the base of the tail of that matter

[last widget]

yeah it should deino should be able to 1 shot a hypsi or any baby even if its a tail hit or even tail tip.

[urban flax]

Well stego has a lot of hp
And deino's bite doesn't deal a lot of damage

[nova anchor]

turn your camera in the opposite direction and hold shift the second you let go of rmb and you will survive

[sonic mural]

Yea when I pounce off something I land too close for my comfort and it feels like they can hit me and sometimes they do they need to make Utahs jump off farther when they dismount

[last widget]

i mean deino already takes more then 5 bites to kill a utah if biting its face, but people are like you arent supposed to do that. well people also claim deino lunge 1 shots deino which is also false :/

[sonic mural]

Oh ok

[last widget]

but some reason people think thats fair for deino but ig

[elder rivet]

what? deino only needs 2 bites on bodyshot, it has 500 damage

[past tusk]

@nova anchor i know how to play a utah 🙂 the stun is long enough you can hard counter a pounce, i have a training server with my own discord community of utah hunters, we've been loyal since the beginning but all we see is utah get punished over and over with ever patch

[random hazel]

just a quick note, got a notif that they discovered a new sauropod from india yesterday

[last widget]

mmm no, well i cant say fs on public servers now but when i bit it 5 times in the face as an adult this was on QA test

[nova anchor]

I've hunted stego with friends and this pounce recovery has never inhibited us. I hate to say it, but get good.

[past tusk]

thats what ive suggested, a further away kick back, so your safe on dismount

[urban flax]

What would be great would make utahs be able to jump out of the pounce by pressing space, at the cost of some stamina

[nova anchor]

Pounce is high-risk, high-reward.

[past tusk]

@nova anchor what a tool

[last widget]

lol no, how can something jump in a huge gators jaws thats locked around them. personally our deino feels like a fucking stuffed toy lol.

[past tusk]

@nova anchor its high risk mediocre reward,

[elder rivet]

welp, i guess a shit ton of bleed is mediocre

[nova anchor]

Not really. The bleed it does is insane. We did enough damage and bleed to a stego that our friend playing as a baby ptera was able to peck it to death after it sat on a hill to escape us.

Stego really shouldn't be easy prey for utah

[last widget]

you do gross ass mix packing also? yikes.

[past tusk]

the pounce lasts 20 seconds if nothing bucks oyu with full stamina, its equals 20% bleed - its good but its shit at the same time, since you can be bucked off in 5 seconds you do 5% bleed... the stego/teno/carno looses 5-10% stam and you go DRY, there is no redeeming quality playing a utah except the idiots who dont know how to buck

[last widget]

i knew ptera would become an issue and people would use it to scout or mix pack.

so sad :/

[sonic mural]

Sometimes it’s able to hit a Utah before it pounces utahs just usually act like there gonna pounce, the stego takes the bait, swings it’s tail and misses, and during that animation utahs pounce is from what I see and do

[nova anchor]

Cycle out pounce with friends and manage your stamina. You need quite a few to take out a stego, I'd recommend going after dryo or tenonto if you don't have a large coordinated group.

[gray briar]

questioning holyskin is a mistake

[last widget]

but what can i say welcome to the isle community and official servers, not to mention on evrima unofficial servers cant enforce rules cause of a nametag bug.

[past tusk]

vs a teno/carno a 20 second pounce will easily deal 50-60% bleed AND hp, but not vs a stego, that the dino is designed to attack.

[gray briar]

cant you see the mans holy what part of holy dont you get

[past tusk]

@nova anchor your boring. I have 800 hours in thi sgame i know how to play a utah

[last widget]

not that pfp that shit is a sin

[nova anchor]

your

also if you knew how to play utah you wouldn't die so much

[urban flax]

I don't see how ptera mixpacking is a problem
Well actually it depends if it's using discord or that ind of things or not

[last widget]

oooo 800 hours i got over 2000+ binded with 2 steam accounts lol @past tusk

[urban flax]

But pteras attracting predators to take down prey, and feast on the body ? No, that's normal

[past tusk]

@nova anchor come on my training server and fight my pack then, lets see how you do 🙂

[last widget]

so fucking cringe

[nova anchor]

"1v1 me bro"

lmao

[gray briar]

@last widget how dare you the profile is god like

[last widget]

lmaoo

[past tusk]

no, i want to learn from this isle god obviosuily

[last widget]

my pfp is god like not that

[gray briar]

@last widget you must be great a parties

[last widget]

your pack of what? utah mains.. ill gladly switch to legacy and clap all of ya with rex

[elder rivet]

everybody knows that fedy six night is the best pfp type

[nova anchor]

I'm no god, hell I'm not that great at combat at all, but I know gamesense and I have common sense, as well as knowing my dinosaurs' limitations

[past tusk]

no, come show me how good you are, its a legit request

[nova anchor]

ofc you're going to die to a stego if you attack it with three utahs

[gray briar]

@last widget wipe that cheeto dust of your fingers nerd

[last widget]

i cant dude its all over broski

[gray briar]

that your boyfriend

[real pendant]

the issue is with the pouncing, there is a delay when you miss, and a delay when you hit

[last widget]

come lick it off like my little pig

😉

[gray briar]

you call your mum little pig

[gray briar]

its accurate but rude

[nova anchor]

the delay when you miss is needed and good, the "delay" when you hit is easy to work around

[last widget]

i mean are you my mom? ig then pig. oink for me

[elder rivet]

why must you do this

[real pendant]

alright then, so mounting a stego should mean insta death?

[gray briar]

i mean why would i smash your dad you seem to be doing a good job at it

[real pendant]

teno, carno and denio can 100% hit a utah on dismout

[past tusk]

@nova anchor explain how oyu work around it when you dismount infront of an angry stego and cant move, there is no work around its a design flaw

[nova anchor]

they cannot

[last widget]

i mean cause you're into it fruitcake? idk you tell me why you're into old man pp.

[nova anchor]

Don't attack it in the first place. If you do not have other utahs to cover and if you do not know how to dismount and run fast enough, then do not engage the stego.

[gray briar]

i mean fruitcake feel good and i dont get attached to it

[real pendant]

thanks for confirming you know NOTHING about the latest patch, i now know you talk shite.

[hasty dawn]

they can if ya know how

[sonic mural]

Nope I pounced a sub stego and it hit me when I dismounted

[last widget]

you like fruitcake? gross. should try like normal cake dude.

[past tusk]

@nova anchor fucking legendary... dont attack it in the first place 😄

[static niche]

Legacy combat? Cringe.

[nova anchor]

they can do it pretty quickly and hit you, which is why you need a pack to distract

[gray briar]

plus your mums getting old i cant smash that dust puss

[real pendant]

stop talking waffle

[nova anchor]

what

[last widget]

legacy combat equals cringe- i prefer evrima scrub

[nova anchor]

they can hit you if you attack it solo yeah

[gray briar]

ill make her disabled if i smash her one more time with my rocked thrusts

[nova anchor]

dont pounce it solo

[sonic mural]

Same lol

[real pendant]

you don't read or something?

stego 100% kills a utah on dismount with a pack or not

[last widget]

awe, look at the little boi with smol pp energy tryna act like macho man. soo cute.. wittle bb.

[real pendant]

the fact you didnt know a teno, carno or denio can 100% hit a utah on dismount alarms me

[gray briar]

you still say pp what are you 5 say dick like a real man or do you have small baby pp

[nova anchor]

I wouldn't say 100%. I should also point out that pounce is supposed to be high-risk, high-reward

[past tusk]

@nova anchor it doesnt matter if 1 pounces or 4, all a stego has to do is WAIT for a dismount and swing. skill should matter and dictate an outcome not rock paper scissors

[real pendant]

its no reward are you even reading

[last widget]

oh look, the wittle baby is triggered. here do me a favor and

[nova anchor]

the fuck you mean it's no reward

it does a shitton of bleed and damage

[real pendant]

there is a delay to pounce and a delay getting off, you're literally getting punished for landing it.

[nova anchor]

it's extremely risky yeah

[real pendant]

its 100% risky what are you on

again you're not reading

[gray briar]

i mean if you think im triggered then you are cleary not smart

[nova anchor]

it's not absolute

[real pendant]

yeah it is again stop talking shite

[nova anchor]

lmao

[real pendant]

lmao

[past tusk]

@nova anchor the reward you get is 20% bleed IF you land a FULL pounce wth no bucking, trees, water, desync.

[last widget]

ok kid, keep on being a keyboard warrior. whats that i hear? i think thats your mum calling you for your pizza rolls. now go feed chump.

[nova anchor]

this has gone nowhere

I should know better than to talk in islecord

[silent current]

Go get him Holy

[real pendant]

i say the same thing daily

you clearly havent practised or tested anything

[past tusk]

i invited him to the test server to hsow us how to deal with the dismount, but he refused.

[real pendant]

because hes talking shite

[past tusk]

i know

[nova anchor]

Did they change the dismount distance? I don't think I've hunted stego in the latest patch, the dismount distance could change it

[sonic mural]

This conversation😭💀

[nova anchor]

because I know there's a bit of a stun but usually the dismount distance was great enough to escape

[real pendant]

you've just countered your own arguement

STOP talking about stuff you don't know

islecord people.

[nova anchor]

I'm open to possibility that I'm wrong

I'm speculating about what could've changed

jesus

[elder rivet]

stop acting like degenerate little babies. "my little piggy", calling each other triggered, saying "oh i banged your mom"

[real pendant]

no you're spreading trollop

[elder rivet]

oh wait they're muted

good

[real pendant]

you've been arugeing with holyskin and you odn't even know the latest patch

[sonic mural]

Thank u lol

[nova anchor]

Holy was saying that the hitbox thing was what was causing the issue, but I'm pretty sure it isn't that, given that usually the dismount distance was far enough that even if the stego did get an attack in, it'd only hit the tail and not my other hitboxes, but if the dismount distance changed, then yeah I can see how it could cause some issues

[past tusk]

no you didnt read my complaint very well

[nova anchor]

were you not complaining about the hitboxes?

[past tusk]

the only fix right now is to remove the dismount stun or redesign the kick off animation to land further away

[nova anchor]

hmmm

yeah if it landed far away

that'd be better

because it sounds to me like it changed

[real pendant]

Alright lets put it simple. I've tested this with our discord, i can 100% confirm the hitbox changes have made Utah's 100% one-shottable on a dismount. I can 100% confirm that a teno, deino and carno can also hit a Utah 100% of the time on a dismount.

if you want to counter it i will post video evidence

and invite you to our discord to prove us wrong

[nova anchor]

my guess is that the dismount distance either changed or I was experiencing desync after my dismount, but yeah I agree something needs to be done

the hitbox thing is good, so I think increasing dismount distance would work

[real pendant]

you're not reading anything man,

[past tusk]

@nova anchor my argument is that the new hitbox work around has buffed stego even more. now on dismounting them as a utah you are met with a guaranteed death since they can hit you 100%, now its always a head shot so you ant even face away fromt he stego and make a get away surviving the tail clip, now you die regardless

[nova anchor]

you tested it out, and utah gets 100% killed after a dismount

[real pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/aplausos-clapped-leonardo-dicaprio-clap-slow-clap-gif-12389001

[nova anchor]

I don't understand what the problem is

I'm literally agreeing with you

[real pendant]

i refer you to your post earlier and i quote "the delay when you miss is needed and good, the** "delay" when you hit is easy to work around"** i challenge you to explain writing in bold saying how its easy to work around. Ready when you are

[past tusk]

you literally told me to get good, told me i had to learn how to 'distract' the stego, or tell me there are ways around it, none of which mater as its 100% g'tee to kill utah after a dismount, im arguing with your immature tendency to trigger someone who is trying to make a rational conversation

[silver zephyr]

he already said he hasnt played the current patch and was using past patch knowledge and admitted it and is now agreeing with you

[nova anchor]

it has been easy to work around for me in the past. I have not pounced a stego in this patch, so it is possible and in fact likely that some other variable changed (likely pounce distance) because I have never found the delay to cause problems

[past tusk]

@silver zephyr then he should take his 2000h playtime and fuck off

[nova anchor]

2000h what

[silver zephyr]

[nova anchor]

also I have played the patch, but I haven't fought stego in it

[silver zephyr]

ah, my bad

[real pendant]

then you are not qualified to comment what you have been

you've been talking shite.

[nova anchor]

I was speculating about it dude

[sonic mural]

But now he’s not so drop it

[silver zephyr]

and he acknowledged that after

[nova anchor]

lmao

[silver zephyr]

yall are just trying to start shit now

[real pendant]

hes still talking shite

[sonic mural]

Just carrying on the argument for no reason

[real pendant]

clearly knows nothing about the game and im calling him out on it

[nova anchor]

I didn't know about the current patch yeah

[silver zephyr]

he already called himself out

[sonic mural]

He just said he never fought stego in the current patch

Geez

[real pendant]

alright, then im done

[nova anchor]

I have never seen someone get so angry about winning an argument

[real pendant]

good talk ethono

[past tusk]

@nova anchor so why chime in spouting crap if you no nothing about the current situation?

[worn pumice]

So what’s the convo this time

[sonic mural]

Bro just drop it

[silver zephyr]

because they did, they already admitted their fault

[real pendant]

@past tusk lets back off, he has been called out.

[nova anchor]

I was speculating about the current patch dude, I was talking from my past experiences and providing insight on what the issue could be

[swift dew]

leave while you still can

[barren zephyr]

What's going on

[past tusk]

what a load of shit

[sonic mural]

Lmao

[worn pumice]

gonna just take ur advice

cheers

[silent current]

Defense forces have arrived

[elder rivet]

🧂

[barren zephyr]

the isle

this is a game

[silver zephyr]

indeed

[nova anchor]

holy shit

really?

[worn pumice]

actually no i cant leave

[elder rivet]

about dragons? so cool!

[barren zephyr]

No of course not. the isle isn’t real

[worn pumice]

this is has piqued my interest

whats poppin off here?

[silver zephyr]

ok but lets move on before the mods nuke us

[real pendant]

nothing, shows over 😄

[worn pumice]

aw

welp

[real pendant]

feel free to msg me and ill explain 🙂

[worn pumice]

ill just read past messages

[elder rivet]

the mods already dropped the "mute" nuke on IckyStickyOils and Evolution so let's get out of here

[worn pumice]

🏃

[elder rivet]

make sure to ignore IckyStickyOils and Evolution

[real pendant]

because they were using sweary words and being generally abusive lol

[elder rivet]

yeah

[real pendant]

yeah, no need for it.

[worn pumice]

Lmfao wth

I’m out

Gl

[barren zephyr]

Yea that guy is....

[swift dew]

@tawny juniper while the herra did get thrown off, if you look closly the herra actually took a chunk of the tenos neck with it. and in #401464048610312195 filipe reacted with a 👍 on the message asking if this was confirmed to be an ability.

[tawny juniper]

Ah

That's

Good

[sonic mural]

I honestly hope when hererra rips off a chunk u can see it on whatever it took a chunk out of and it will be permenant

Or at least leave a scar

[swift dew]

i doubt it will be permanent, but it will probably heal as quickly as the curren't locked health heals

[barren zephyr]

@past tusk why would you complain about that change?

it benefits everything

Its a massive buff to heavies like deino/stego because their attacks cant get cheesed out anymore

All this means is that you have....... well use your brain when fighting a heavy guy

[silent current]

what.

[barren zephyr]

Instead of just going in nd knowing "well I can just turn around and take tail damage so I'm good"

which is stupid from a balance and realism point of view im my opinion

[nova anchor]

hitbox is good, but utah definitely needs something to help it so it doesn't get killed 100% of the time out of dismount

[barren zephyr]

better get up animation would be better, its stupid that its so slow

[nova anchor]

yeah, that or further dismount

[barren zephyr]

pounce could use a overall nerf to compensate for it

[silent current]

^

[barren zephyr]

[barren zephyr]

I feel like you should get a longer animation if you run out of stam/get hit by a tree and faster one if you get off yourself

[nova anchor]

yeah

[barren zephyr]

it would reward players for paying attention

and would make sense since of course a utah who is exhausted would get up slower then one with half stamina

[brave nova]

No, it means you just don't pounce at all against a good steg

[barren zephyr]

eh we'll see over time

I can see it working out

and if doesnt, we can go with my suggestion

and pounce is meant to be high risk high reward to begin with

so it being safe is stupid

[elder rivet]

I wouldn't say the animation "needs to go", just that it needs to be shortened so that it isn't an automatic death sentence to raptors while rewarding stego players that have good reaction times

[worn pumice]

i actually read what they were saying b4

someone give me bleach pls

[barren zephyr]

the animation looks silly though

the utah is getting up in a life or death situation

it shouldnt just slowly climb up

[elder rivet]

yeah

[brave nova]

if the stego can kill you on dismount every time, that's not a risk it's a just an all around bad move

[worn pumice]

how about using a good chunk of stam to fasten how fast u get up

[barren zephyr]

makes sense

[barren zephyr]

Well I havent tested it yet, so I'll have to see later

[worn pumice]

this way u can do the slow thing if u have low stam

[brave nova]

same

[elder rivet]

how long does it last? 1 second, 2 seconds?

[worn pumice]

no idea

like 2-3 seconds

guesstimate

[elder rivet]

damn bro that's crazy

[barren zephyr]

like maybe 4 seconds

[worn pumice]

4

holy shit

[barren zephyr]

oh shit what happened in here eariler? Seems like everyone was pissed

[worn pumice]

pls whatever u do

[sonic mural]

What we talking about?

[worn pumice]

dont go up and read past messages

[elder rivet]

just block the 2 degenerates

then you can safely scroll up as long as you don't purposefully try to read a message

[worn pumice]

its too late

i read it

[barren zephyr]

Holyskins suggestion is shit because it just removes any chance utah has from dying during a pounce, ruining the "high risk high reward" thing from it

but if its a issue, it does need to get fixed

but his way of fixing it kinda reeks of "utah main"

[elder rivet]

literally pinged 3 people at the same time in #general-feedback

[worn pumice]

just make the dismount long enough so that if utah does get hit its perfectly timed

and its a base of the tail shot

[elder rivet]

but his way of fixing it kinda reeks of "utah main"
yeah, especially when he talked about his discord server in this chat which reminded me of this guy

[worn pumice]

this way ur not punished for landing a pounce but also not punishing the stego who had a good reaction time

wow

wait

omg

that was him who said that?

[elder rivet]

no

[worn pumice]

oh

[elder rivet]

but it was another utah main

[worn pumice]

we have spent a year training to ride spoons and rexes gigas

lol

[elder rivet]

so the part where he talked about having a discord server reminded of that guy

[ionic arch]

What the-

[barren zephyr]

@gaunt hinge

The problem with pounce is that its kind of a 0 skill move at the moment, so its hard to find a good way to buff it thats fair for both the utahs and stego

[barren zephyr]

like I feel like it should take 8 utahs to hunt a stego, and it should still be a hard fight

[worn pumice]

well if this dismount thing is true

it just might take that many

[barren zephyr]

I feel like making it so manually hoping off is faster would be a good change

[brave nova]

playing around with the stego vs pounce now, this is no bueno. literally guaranteed kill on dismount

[barren zephyr]

and running of stam/hitting a tree would grant you the long animation

[worn pumice]

ye thats def not good

bucking is quite good now tbf

[barren zephyr]

yeah that needs to be fixed

[worn pumice]

ye u shouldnt be punished for getting the pounce

[barren zephyr]

faster manual pounce get off is needed then

[worn pumice]

either make it faster

or make the distance u leap off of further

[barren zephyr]

making it a further leap would kinda suck

since it removes all risk from it

and I feel like a good stego that can predict when a utah is going to fall off should have a chance in sniping it

[brave nova]

for sure. but when the stego can wait for utah to let go and then strike, that's no good

[worn pumice]

true but at the same time ur punishing the utah player who got the pounce in the first place

[elder rivet]

which is why i think making the animation faster instead of making it have longer range or removing the animation would be the best option

[worn pumice]

ye just make it much faster so u can run quickly

[barren zephyr]

same, I would prefer a faster animation tbh

since the current one doesnt fit it

[worn pumice]

i wanna test this cuz this is interesting stuff

[barren zephyr]

Utah is in a situation where it will die if it doesnt get up slowly and it just........ takes its time

[elder rivet]

is it the same as when you miss pounce?

[real pendant]

Feel free to hop into our discord

[barren zephyr]

Not sure, I think utah has a tiny stun with it

Actually I'm pretty sure thats the case

havent played on the new patch though

[worn pumice]

theres a missed pounce animation

if thats what ur saying

[barren zephyr]

yea

[icy lion]

you slide

[real pendant]

Yeah, utah is killed instantly from a missed pounce, or landing a pounce lol.

[brave nova]

it's not as punishing as a missed pounce, but there is a bit of a stun when you dismount

imagine when the stego mains figure this out

[elder rivet]

they'd already figure it out as the fight is going on

[worn pumice]

hello

[real pendant]

Carno is the new stego killer right now, 6 headshots down a stego and they're relatively easy when you know how.

[brave nova]

[barren zephyr]

Seriously?

Thats way too low

[worn pumice]

ye stego has a 2.0 multiplier on its head

instead of 1.5

[real pendant]

Yeah, stego is free food for a carno

[worn pumice]

so 350 x 2 700

4000 divided by 700

u get 5. something

so 6 shots

[barren zephyr]

stegos extra head multiplier really needs to go

[worn pumice]

ye its way too high

im ok with it being a little higher but its way too high

imagine if rex got 1000 dmg

stego ded in 2 shots

[real pendant]

Considering a solo carno can take a stego. A pack of 5 demolishes a stego.

[worn pumice]

5 carnos in general as a pack is just too much

should've kept it at 3

[real pendant]

Agreed

[sonic mural]

True

[worn pumice]

its not even supposed to be in a "pack" technically

[elder rivet]

it looks like it's a little bit higher than 2 times, because if it was 2x on deino, deino would 5 shot it on head since the stego would heal a little bit back up unless some mechanic's preventing creatures from healing right after they get damaged

[real pendant]

Deino 4 shots a stego

In the head

[barren zephyr]

deino does 5/4 shot it

[real pendant]

Utah is 16 hits

[past tusk]

You lot already got stego buffed like a dark souls boss. What more do you want? It’s got a small head. It can keep that multiplier.

[worn pumice]

yea no just becuz it kills utah on pounce doesnt mean it needs a 2.0 multiplier

[barren zephyr]

dying in 6 shots to carno is just stupid for a 6 ton 5 hour growth animal

either lower its growth for NOW or tweak the multiplier

[sonic mural]

I forgot who said it but somebody said carnos should fill up there hunger more when eating smaller things but get less when eating bigger things which i agree on since it’s not even supposed to be fighting things like stegos it should be eating dryos,hypsi, and maybe Utah

Dryo ai gonna have to spawn a lot more for that to happen tho

[barren zephyr]

And besides, stego SHOULD act like a dark souls boss to everything, since ideally with diets it would be hell to grow one

of course that doesnt work now since you can just AFK grow

But in near future, a afk growing stego would have a absurdly long growth time

and likely be weaker

so expect to see more stegos and juvies in general exposing them selves

[real pendant]

Stego should be a hard fight I agree. It should 1 shot a utah I agree. But in terms of utah gameplay right now pounce is on its arse. There are many ways you can get a utah off you, and punished for missing a pounce and now you're punished for landing it.

[past tusk]

That’s impressive logic. It’s not a fun experience for ANYBODY but the stego. There needs to balance.

[barren zephyr]

it is fun

taking down a big target as a group of chumps should feel rewarding

and it is

[worn pumice]

ur acting as if stego has 10k hp and is unstoppable

yes utah pounce when dismounting shouldnt be a one shot

but we dont need to make stego shit as well

[barren zephyr]

yeah with this change its a bit absurd, weird how the devs didnt think about it

[real pendant]

Exactly.

There is lots of stuff missed by QA but will leave it there.

[past tusk]

They don’t test anything. They’re constantly twisting knobs and pressing buttons.

[barren zephyr]

For some reason I feel like this patch wasnt tested much

heard deinos hitboxes got fucked again to

[elder rivet]

keep in mind that there's a button on the far right of the reply option, if you turn it off, it won't ping someone

[barren zephyr]

But otherwise most of the updates are polished

[worn pumice]

[past tusk]

This was t a tested change with thought or a play test. Just a quick innocent tweak in their part.

[barren zephyr]

to be fair lots of people didnt realize that it would lead to utah getting killed easily

[real pendant]

I think stegos are fine where they are, the head shot multiple should be 1.5 not x2. Utah pounce should have a kickback feature to use a little steam but do a kick off the side of stego keeping you safe. That way it's up to the utah to manage their stam

[past tusk]

I’m just tired of the game I loved. They can’t fix core issues let alone balance a game when a whiney community pressure them to ‘fix their dino’.

[worn pumice]

that actually is smart

[barren zephyr]

this could work

[worn pumice]

this way utahs need even more stam management

making pounce a bit more harder to use

[real pendant]

I'm fine with that as long as I'm not punished for being a skilled player

[barren zephyr]

yeah but the headshot change could mess up stego vs deino

[real pendant]

Which right now, I feel is the case.

[barren zephyr]

Currently a good deino duo can kill a stego with stun since stego gets 5 shotted to the head

[real pendant]

4shot to the head

[barren zephyr]

Oh well you get my point

[real pendant]

I'll write up a balance post in a bit suggesting the kickback suggestion.

[worn pumice]

ye go ahead

thats a good suggestion honestly

it emphasizes how stam is important

[real pendant]

But honest if you wanna get clued up and test shit with us, join us on the discord. We run through series of tests. And do our own QA

[barren zephyr]

combat just needs more polishing in general

Its more skill based, but isnt that flashy

and theres lots of issues with it still

like the bleed effect making your screen darker is just........ why

It punishes players for winning a fight

[real pendant]

The game with its current net code will never be consistent. It's too unreliable.

It's always freezing and stuttering too

[barren zephyr]

^ we need someone dedicated to net code for sure

[real pendant]

As much as I like this game, it's damn awful to play competitively and it feels like luck most of the time

[barren zephyr]

I wish HP was just shown on the UI

its not very skill based to die because the current "bleed" effect just does not work

[past tusk]

it is luck, you get bit when you're 15 meters away from dinos, or you can pounce a stego for 4 seconds, see the ani,ation play out the teleport to its tail dead, this game cant be enjoyed competitively because alot of what you experience is RNG

[real pendant]

Bleed is actually very effective right now

[barren zephyr]

I mean the "damage bleed effect"

They really need to get rid of that gimmick

[real pendant]

Oh right yeah it's all about steam

Stamina sorry

[barren zephyr]

yeah I like bleed atm

[real pendant]

Same

[barren zephyr]

It's a way to kill big dinosaurs that doesnt feel like cheese

[sonic mural]

And actually make big dinos not too cocky when fighting when they could die from bleed

[elder rivet]

well...

[past tusk]

its very close to how legacy works but its more refined and balanced, the 'auto heal' beats being forced to sit or run till you die