general-feedback-discussion

[ionic arch]

Stress mechanics would be interesting but idk how it'll work? Decrease health or damage?

[lapis tree]

The stress mechanic should really only work for carnivores

[limber hull]

why lmao

[ionic arch]

Mostly for herbivore like maia or para

[limber hull]

imagine stalking a target and getting stressed

[ionic arch]

Lol

[lapis tree]

Lol

[limber hull]

sounds like it'd be awful

[dense vale]

@gleaming sphinx i have 1060 and get like 50fps just dont have all parts of the graphics turned up. i think aa makes it worse anyway

[ionic arch]

But stress is good or else us Human won't survive against Wild animal since there is good and bad stress you know?

[limber hull]

what

[molten tulip]

Stress mechanics are really clunky slapped on bandaids of a mechanic

[gleaming sphinx]

@dense vale thx

[dense vale]

no blur as a game mechanic. giving people a migrane for playing is awefull. im having ptsd from early evrima when everything was a blur and i could only play 30 min a time before migrane sets in lol

[frank matrix]

What about having the choice after choosing dinos to choose the nest that they get nested in

[twin star]

I can dm you the whole thing if you want. I don't think you read it all, but I simplified it as I realised that it might be a bit wordy.

I'm suggesting improving vision for creatures that need it, like scouts, hunters, and scavengers. The blurry vision, as I said, isn't really blurry. I just don't have a word for it.

Nope. That would fry some pcs, for sure.

I can dm you the full thing. Basically, give scouts a sound sense to better guide them to where to look for predators.
Hunters get a faint outline of their prey, assuming they've moved their crosshair/screen center over it recently and they're crouching.
Big ol' tanks don't get anything obscured until wayyyy far out. Like, if you're standing on a ravine's edge (V3's ravine, for example), you can't see the utahs clearly at the river wayy down below while a galli can. (Optional, I see why this is hated. Still, an idea at best, and a mistake to mention at worst.)

what

Slow down and look at it a little. Maybe I'm just wording it wrong.

[open current]

do any of yall know a way to change you sensitivity on Evrima or is that not possible yet

[twin star]

I think I'm wording it wrong.

[open current]

alright thank you

[twin star]

The conditions that need to be met for a scout to sense a predator:
The scout must be sniffing.
The hunter must be nearby and moving around.

It does not tell you the exact location of the hunter by any means.

Like headphones don't tell you exactally where the sound's coming from. It isn't 8d audio.

I would call it less of a sense and more of an ability in hindsight

[paper oriole]

ew players just crouching and having the game hold their hand and outline another player who would otherwise be hidden is

[twin star]

It isn't an Ambush-B-Gone.

[paper oriole]

the game shouldnt outline players it should all depend on the players own senses

[twin star]

It's a tool to help locate.

Ooooh, the game telling you the exact path that your prey took just because you held q?? woow

I see where you're coming from, and your feedback is valid

[paper oriole]

even i with my shitty eyesight wouldnt want somebody elses experience ruined because the game told me their location where i wouldn't have seen it myself

[molten tulip]

^

[twin star]

fair. I still can't find the right words, damn.

[molten tulip]

Camo becomes useless with a mechanic like that

[paper oriole]

plus many of the upcoming animals who won't be fast enough to escape with speed and rely on hiding

[twin star]

I'm trying to get my point across.
It isn't a crutch.
It isn't a radar.
It's a tool. A hint. An addon to scent.

[molten tulip]

I think that happens already with the yellow clouds

[paper oriole]

an outline, even a faint one, definitely sounds like a radar

[twin star]

Camo is good, still. It's a last-ditch effort to detect someone else

[twin star]

You have to know where they are first

And then it just says "they're in this area, but I'll only tell you for like 7 seconds."

[paper oriole]

your last ditch effort should be attempting to find their tracks or use your eyes, not having the game hold your hand and point you to them with an outline

7 seconds is a long time

[twin star]

The tracks can say "bye bye" if the creature goes into crouch and you happen to have foliage turned up
You can balance as needed!

How do you think it could be improved?

[paper oriole]

if a player is hiding form you and you can't see them, then they did a good job, they shouldn't be punished

[twin star]

Not "lol invalid suggestion." I legitimately want to hear how you could improve it.

I want some criticism, not labelling.

[paper oriole]

if a player ran into thick foliage and you lost track of them, they did a good job, they shouldn't be punished

[twin star]

this is true

What is a more balanced tool to aid in stalking your prey, not chasing it?

[molten tulip]

Theres already a decent system like that, where if there's an area that many dinos are crowded together in big yellow clouds spawn, and you can see them through rocks foliage and water

[paper oriole]

track their footprints, if they had enough time to wallow or sneak away slowly with crouch and you lose them, too bad for you i guess

if they get away then it's good for them, you don't need more tracking tools

[twin star]

I don't have headphones. It's a bit hard to figure out where people are without going out in the opening and revealing yourself

[paper oriole]

it should be harder to hunt than it is to be hunted if you don't do it perfectly

[twin star]

Maybe a cooldown on the ability?

[paper oriole]

no lol

just use your ears and eyes

[molten tulip]

The tools are already there for you to track, you dont need even more

[paper oriole]

if your quarry evaded you they did a better job and don't deserve to be punished

[twin star]

Yeah, that's why I was making this suggestion. I knew that having headphones was an adavantge, but I didn't know it was this big of one. Thanks for opening my eyes, guys. I'll be sure to spend some time looking for a pair.

[molten tulip]

I've been doing ok without them

When I'm tracking someone I mostly just look for prints

[paper oriole]

same here i don't even use headphones, just get 2 speakers and you're set honestly

[molten tulip]

Back in legacy though I had a very hard time figuring out where AI were

[paper oriole]

the sound in evrima seems less pinpointed in general than legacy was, i had an easier time locating with speakers in legacy

[twin star]

Maybe I'm just bad, but it seems that the tracks sometimes just... end? The prey isn't anywhere around as far as I can tell. I loose sight for one moment, and when I sniff, there's nothing.

[paper oriole]

could pinpoint ai pretty quickly from a distance with speakers on legacy

[dense vale]

dont gotta worry about hearing ai now cause there isnt any

[twin star]

pff

[molten tulip]

Yeah either they wallowing, the prints you're following are old, or you need to sniff again to render the new ones

[paper oriole]

hey that's not true i've heard like uhh one dryo ai once in evrima

[twin star]

Yeah, I guess.
Also, thanks for the tip, Yeah!!

[molten tulip]

Crouching still drops prints but sparsely doesn't it

[twin star]

I guess that also gives the prey some time to crouch off as well.
Oh well, I'll spend some time trying to get gud at utah lol

[paper oriole]

don't you worry i run from everything

[twin star]

Maybe that'll let me see the game as you guys do.

pff

[molten tulip]

I found one dryo ai and it was at that weird grass beach place along the shallow river

[paper oriole]

utahs deserve eternal suffering anyway

i heard dryo ai once while i was spitting at deinos as a hypsi

[twin star]

You're telling me you don't just afk in a corner of the map as stego for hours and then refuse to die?

[paper oriole]

nah i like to play the small guys, stego is too fat for me

waiting for galli and ovi

[twin star]

afk cring 🤮 🤮

[molten tulip]

Galli the unkillable

[twin star]

Galli, destroyer of freshspawns

[paper oriole]

i hope galli is speed and not some cripple thats slower than its predators

will be big disappoint if it's slower than dryo but i am always prepared for disappointment

[swift dew]

im like 99% sure galli will be faster than dryo

[paper oriole]

i sur ehope so

[twin star]

TI team if full of surprises

Galli better be faster

[paper oriole]

i want to kick babies into orbit, need a good running start

[dense vale]

same reason we got a low bite force crocodile

[twin star]

Or at least same speed but with larger stam pool

[swift dew]

but seriously, how will dryo not be a bad galli

[paper oriole]

to be fair there is a very specific and understandable reason behind deino's bite

make dryo's dodge aimable and omnidirectional, remove the halt from its dodge, there it's better now

the dodge is borderline useless even without dryo's speed buff

[twin star]

yo doesn't versatile mean useful/able to be used in many situations

[swift dew]

^^^^

[paper oriole]

maybe thats why

utahs suck ass they need more predators

[molten tulip]

They just group up so nothing can kill them

[paper oriole]

gross ass utah megapacks everywhere

and theyre so ugly too

[molten tulip]

Broken balljoint hands

[paper oriole]

if theyre gonna be everywhere they should at least look cool, good on the few dryo players killing their children

[twin star]

prime utah fix: add more campable areas for utahs to sit in and never move
boom viable

[paper oriole]

utah has one of the worst designs in the game's history

[molten tulip]

I hope an admin chat comes soon so overpacking rules can actually be enforced

Rn there isn't really anything admins can do unless there's some sort of system they have on their discord

[twin star]

as well as an option to hide it, please i beg

[molten tulip]

I agree thats a decent solution to the global chat being awful problem but the devs aren't planning on putting it back at all

[twin star]

Maybe an optional chat filter would tone down the toxicity a little bit
perhaps with a box to add your own words to filter so you can remove spam from people who lost their 10h elder deino grow and other general insult spam

[molten tulip]

Feel like people would just get around it anyway

Wouldn't stop the weirdness of being able to telepathically speak to a dinosaur of a completely different species from miles away that global brings either

I only really like global on deathmatch/sandbox where it's just a test and not the actual game

[twin star]

If you see a buncha people spamming with a workaround, you can just add that to your filter list

also yeah agreed, great for deathmatch

magy suboptimal

[molten tulip]

Yeah I joined a server with global once when the legacy officials died and god it felt like a birthday party or something

They also had "NO KOS" rules so there were people screaming for admins in chat when they walked directly in front of me as a dryo and I attacked them

[twin star]

I love the fact that they they fully expect a dryo to kill them before they can kill it

[molten tulip]

Oh no I was a carno and they were a dryo lmao

[twin star]

oh wait i misread lmao

[molten tulip]

Thats fully expected though lmao

[twin star]

I can still clearly see that happening

Well, I've got to peace for now, great chat and a genuine thanks for the free proposal slamming
I wish you a bountiful child-kicking/kos season

[dense vale]

❌ proposal shaming

thou ideals are inferior to mine

[vast pasture]

2 deinos give off mega pack scent should not be a thing period

[dense vale]

is that correct that only 2 can make the river give orange scent

[vast pasture]

yeah

[dense vale]

ill join your team then. calling 2 a megapack is a bit much

[fallen radish]

id agree with 4 min but 2 is just Fing ridicoulus

[barren zephyr]

^

[vast pasture]

@jade ocean i have not

[tepid gate]

2 Deinos are not causing a megapack scent.

In general it's a very simple system - if you have more animals in the area than their group limit you will start giving off the megapack scent. 2 Deinos do not cause that to happen though.

[vague phoenix]

Look at my picture that I gave to you.

I give you a better one if you would like.

[fallen radish]

@tepid gate most definetley they do

[dreamy wharf]

I love how essentially the same suggestion is posted one after the other, but one has a picture on it so it's immediately met with more positive stuff rather than outright negative.

[tight oxide]

Wonder if devs liked this

Wasnt by me

It had like 117 upvotes

[jade ocean]

@vast pasture i even reinstalledthe game and it is still doing it its not my mouse as i went into other games and its working perfectly fine

[vast pasture]

im not sure how to help with that maybe verify the game files

[sand jay]

Is there a place where we can see hotfixes/changes? Can't seem to find it

[minor monolith]

I dont think any have come out for the latest patch

[dense vale]

@lime gulch you didnt say what you were

[lime gulch]

Ah sorry, carnos

[hoary dawn]

i mean a deino isn't really supposed to be fighting things 1 on 1 anyway, its an ambush predator that is weak outside of water

[minor monolith]

well I imagine a fully grown deino shouldnt be easy to kill either

crocs are armored like tanks, im not even sure a carno could get its mouth around a grown one very well

it probably shouldnt be able to go running on to land and chasing everybody, but it also should be the king of the shores - able to take hits and deliver strong ones to reckless creatures who bother it

at least out of our current set, that is

there are certainly things that can and will predate on deinos in the future

in short, deinos stats should act as a deterrent and not promote deinos being reckless in turn if possible

[dense vale]

i think full deino can grab any size carno with rmb but i dont see why its lmb has to be so low, as long as rmb is better for food hunting, lmb is fine. people just dont want deino to be able to defend itself, its only prey or run away.

[brave nova]

@clever urchin I'm sure the player list is in the works, at least I hope so. For now though, if you wanna know if the server is still populated you could use the server info through steam, that's what I do. Would be better to have it in-game but it works.

[clever urchin]

Hopefully it is, even without AI as a Utah I'd like to know if there's people on the server I could munch on so me and my gf dont starve

[sonic mural]

@tranquil wadi there is no night vision yet but it will come when troodon and dilo get added in later updates and nighttime will be darker than it is now

[tranquil wadi]

i don't understand because i'm new. Evrima is the newest patch?

[sonic mural]

Evrima is basically a upgrade from legacy well kind of lol it’s not finished yet but it gets updated every few months and they add certain things to it u gotta see the roadmap

[tranquil wadi]

aa so for you playing at evrima or legacy is better?

[clever urchin]

@barren zephyr I understand where you're coming from in the #general-feedback, and I partly agree with you, but if someone wants to play the isle like it's a dino survival sim, let them play like that. The Isle is a Dino survival game, and I hate it too when someone like a Carno tells me (a utah) to jump off a rock to '1v1" me with 3 other carnos next to him while I'm severely bleeding when I'm just tryna survive. Server owners own their servers and they put rules to make it a less toxic experience to new people trying out the game

[clever urchin]

My opinion: Legacy barely takes the crown because it's finished, though I'm sure Evrima will dethrone it as soon as other features are added

[sonic mural]

Same

[tranquil wadi]

thanks really guys for the info. I don't know earlier about two versions this game and i don't know what to do

but i have now evrima version. If i change to legacy i will download 8 gb retry?

sorry for english

[clever urchin]

Yes

[tranquil wadi]

oooh

it's so bad

[clever urchin]

Theres ways to have both Evrima and legacy

[cinder jackal]

I just play them both. You can install legacy first, rename its folder to "the isle legacy" make a desktop shortcut, then go back in and install evrima. that way when you want to play legacy, you launch from desktop, Evrima you launch from steam

[barren zephyr]

Yes however it’s less toxic when there is no global chat for people to spam and do crap in, and I’m not saying they should just full on take away all there rules or whatever. I’m just saying that the devs are making evrima built differently from legacy by a lot of things and the way legacy works. rule servers may not work as well in evrima because it’s not how the game is built to be played.

And yes if they wanna play a dinosaur survival game then sure let them do that but the way the isle is going forward there better off just playing BoB or PoT if they want that fully

[tranquil wadi]

i will try thanks

[cinder jackal]

NP! and yes, you'd have to revert back to legacy first unfortunately

[sonic mural]

@tranquil wadi here’s a link to the roadmap u can look at it for the updates coming to evrima and update 4 is next https://trello.com/b/G5tsb4XI/public-roadmap

[tranquil wadi]

thanks

i'm only waiting for this nightvision

because i't not playlable at night

[clever urchin]

You do have a good point there sir, however maybe a species only global would be the way to go? Plus an admin contact chat too?

[urban flax]

All these suggestions about global made me think of something, and I like to know your opinions about it. I myself don't really know if it would be good or bad. But what about a limited range global chat ? With a range probably shorter than localspecies, in which you can talk to any other species. You could taunt them before a fight, but not give away their location to everyone on the map.

[barren zephyr]

There working on a admin chat and while a species chat would be a good idea it does go off of the fact that it’s a global chat just cut down and can still contain things such as toxicity. I can see a species global chat work for mercs because they would have coms to communicate with but I just don’t see it with Dino’s

[hybrid matrix]

hmmm
this is interesting

[worn pumice]

honestly i hope big dinosaurs over 4 tons have more water values

deino cant lunge them anyways so it makes no sense a stego has such a low water value that runs out in like 25 mins

id rather have stego food drain faster and water stay for much longer

to incentivize stego to be in plains

[urban flax]

Depends of their intended preferred biome I guess
Stego's water drain feels a bit weird to be that short though since it's suppoed to live in huge open plains

[worn pumice]

but just in general big animals should have a somewhat long water value

[urban flax]

But teno, which is supposed to be a swamp dweller, can very well have a short water drain

[worn pumice]

atleast once their adult

[urban flax]

(I know it's under 4 tons)

[worn pumice]

ye

teno, austro bary etc

these water values can be lower

[limber hull]

stego needs to eat more and drink less imo

[worn pumice]

basically yea

all big dinos in the future should just drink less anyways

[limber hull]

i think the bigger the dino, the less water but more food it should need

[worn pumice]

deino cant lunge or take on a stego, anky, etc so it doesnt make sense to make thier water value low

[limber hull]

except deino. Them getting dehydrated fast makes sense as they live in water

[worn pumice]

yes semi aquatics ofc need low water

so their incentivized to be by water

[fringe surge]

If the community isn't happy, then there won't be a game to play. While I get they want to do what they want, and have goals, without a cummuity or supporters, their game would fail. And basically if you think about your own wants and needs too much, other people get tired of it and will most likely leave. It seems to me a lot of people just want it to come back, and the devs aren't really listening to us. I think it's really frustrating without a Global chat option and it should be an option that third party servers have. Because the dev's aren't running these third party servers, WE are. It feels like we're being controlled and are having things taken away from us one step at a time. So telling people to stop asking for it, really isn't going to help.

[odd sedge]

Brothers, and sisters.
Broadcast messages for admins are a thing. And don't pretend reports on legacy servers for rule breaks Don't work over discord anyways, where you can ping admins

These problems can be so easily over come I can't believe people keep screeching about it

And if the devs fix the Discord button for the menu, the excuse for Not everyone is on the discord falls back as well

[sand widget]

For the 'DEVS! Thank you for offering this experience! Since update 3 the game becomes really interesting, stable and better balanced! I have really had a good time since the update! Really looking forward to the next update! ..Thank you !

[carmine path]

Stop posting this in every chat

[sand widget]

@carmine path ok !

🤣

[robust vine]

honestly ive found this suggestion feedback channel way more toxic than global chat XD
But the majority of the people who are against it can just play the official severs where they can play the game "as its meant to be played" we're just simply asking for the unofficial servers to be allowed to enable it since a big part of those servers is the community (a lot of the times the admins will run events for players to do, without a global chat option it'll be very hard for admins to communicate to players when they need to) remember that in legacy you could always switch to local or group chat if you didn't want to look at the global chat.

[barren zephyr]

Yeah I get that but basically the main point is the way evrima is made to be played is very different from what more ruled servers do. By all means they should be allowed to do whatever they want and play however they want. But with the way evrima is being made those servers will probably have to change some things to make it work as one of them being no global chat

[limber hull]

i really dont like the idea of global chat personally. i just got into the game and im actually a fan of how chatting works

i think the communication system we have adds a new level of cool immersion into the game

[robust vine]

I just think that nobody will really want to play the game in one certain way, in my opinion it takes some of the enjoyment out of the game and doesn't offer anything new. I think that the official servers should be the ones that people play to get the full isle immersion game play whilst the unofficial servers should be servers that introduce new ways of being able to play, for example there could be servers with no rules at all that allow people to grow and kill whatever they want without having to deal with the consequences of their actions, but then there will be servers that have rules that will only allow players to kill a certain amount of people before being told to stop (such as a body down rule or a rule against killing juvis at spawn areas) these servers would most likely have global chat enabled.

[limber hull]

same way that every single player in the game doesn't have a name appear above their heads or have the names appear as "who killed you", it helps add to the immersion of the experience for me

global chat would immediately take me out of the experience. I don't want to read about people getting pissy with a carno for playing a certain way or watch as a person complains about how broken utahraptor or some shit. I like only communicating with those of my kind nearby

[robust vine]

Thats the thing, on legacy you could switch to group chat or local chat if you didn't like the global chat, (official servers always had global chat disabled)

[limber hull]

i simply dont like the idea of a tool being given to those who want to metagame, team or anything of the sort.

[robust vine]

thats great for you, you can just play on the official servers since you're not bothered about the community.

but for players who want to be able to communicate with everyone else its kinda sucks that they now have that option taken away from them

[limber hull]

who said i wasn't bothered about the community? Massive raptor packs are where it's at, lets you interact with tons of people while keeping the core focus on gameplay and working as a pack. Personally, I see discord and other services as an essential global chat, since global chat is entirely unnecessary in the game itself unless you specifically want to use it for metagaming or teaming. I simply believe that the removal of global adds a new layer of immersion by taking away a tool that could be used to break it (although admin chat and chat that only messaged nearby group members would also be good as options)

[robust vine]

not everyone plays for the immersion aspects of the game. like i said you will always have a server to play on for the full immersive experience (official) we just want the option for the unofficial servers

[swift dew]

@clever urchin im not a streamer but I know the server list would help stream sniping tremenously, since now all you have to do is go around server to server and press tab to see if the streamer is on, if they aren't you just go to a new server and try again. compared to no server list where you go onto a server and you can't tell if that streamer is on that server so you just have to get lucky wether you find the streamer or not

[hybrid matrix]

yeah but wut about checking ur growth as a streamer

[limber hull]

have you seen how absolutely jam-packed officials get? It's really bad over here in Aus, the official server becomes crowded very quickly, so i like to jump on others, i dont want the experience dampened by a fuckton of mixteaming predators who decided to team up over global

[hybrid matrix]

it says wut server ur on on the character menu

if theres a tab list then u dont out urself just by trying to check ur growth

plus

u could add a streamer setting that hides ur name

[robust vine]

this can be solved with adding more official servers. for the mixpacking you can play on a server that doesnt allow it (and also has global chat disabled)

[swift dew]

I guess a streamer mode that hides the server name on the tab menu and your name in the server list would work fine

[hybrid matrix]

yeah
also it shouldnt say the name of the server in the character menu

or that could be a part of the streamer mode

[robust vine]

with the option to (hopefully) customize server setting (group limits,chat, maybe growth time ect) there will always be a server that can cater to your specific game play preference.

personally i dont really want the grow times to change but thats just my preference at the end of the day

[limber hull]

eh, as an australian, you usually take what you're given with servers. It's not like America or Europe with actually decent internet, tons of servers scattered around a massive continent and close proximity to the rest of the world for decent ping. You either choose whatever the server hosts of the region let you have or you join global and have a fucking horrible time

[robust vine]

im sure that in future there will be more servers that you can play on with good ping (but really this is just a personal issue for you)

also, its REALLY not that had to switch to local chat in game.

so really if global is the reason why you're having a horrible time and you have a way to fix this (local chat) then the issue is just with you

[limber hull]

same as not having global chat is a personal issue for you. I, personally, really like the game's current take on communication. I don't understand why people want to use this game as a chatroom

[robust vine]

well thats the thing, with your issue you are able to fix it but with mine the devs have made it so that i cant. when its not that hard to allow a private sever to enable it (i mean, its really not going to hurt the game at all on a private/unofficial server)

[limber hull]

you can use discord tho

[robust vine]

not everyone has discord

plus its mega frustrating to try to explain to someone who's never used discord before how to use it.

[worn pumice]

or they could watch the streamer and see where their at

[robust vine]

its not their fault for this, but you do have to admit that discord can be really confusing to use at first

[carmine path]

They are creating the Discord option which when you press it sends you a invite to the discord server

Use a better argument

[hybrid matrix]

thoughts on my suggestion?

[barren zephyr]

@sonic mural

that would make deino OP

[robust vine]

like i said. not everyone knows/can use discord. is it really fair to limit their experience with the game because the devs refuse to listen to a big majority of the players suggestion about global

[worn pumice]

honestly not trying to be an asshole but what community server doesnt have discord

[barren zephyr]

Do you know how much damage deino will have to do to make utah stop fighting on a TIP OF TAIL HIT?

[robust vine]

im sure every community server has it, im just talking about the players who dont.

[hybrid matrix]

i only read the part about "make deino oneshot utah with a headshot" so i didnt kno about that

[barren zephyr]

and even then it already 4 shots stegos to the head with its 500 N bite force, if you buff it then it just going to have a overwhelming advantage in the match up

Also utah has 1000 HP

[worn pumice]

well i mean there is the giant button showing Discord

they just need to make it work

[barren zephyr]

So you would have to buff deinos damage to 1000

Which would kill balance

[carmine path]

So for those players that is their problem, many servers make announcements in-game for discord links

[worn pumice]

it would literally 2 shot stego in the head

thats broken

[hybrid matrix]

JEEZ

JEESUS FOCK

[worn pumice]

it would kill stego in 5 hits lol

[robust vine]

you're not understanding what im trying to say. not everyone knows/is able to use discord

[worn pumice]

bAlAnce

not everyone knows how to play games but they learn right?

they can do the same with discord

[hybrid matrix]

@obsidian yacht could you be more specific?

[robust vine]

seriously, its not going to ruin the game to add global chat back

[hasty dagger]

Just wait until apex’s are in and Deino can be played with without destroying ecosystems

[carmine path]

If you have internet and a browser you can click on the button and be in a discord

There is no inability here

[robust vine]

Ok. but then you will have to explain how to join a voice channel (or verify to even get people to see the channel)

[hybrid matrix]

@obsidian yacht do u mean the nametags would always be visible?

[obsidian yacht]

In close proximity yes

[carmine path]

I feel like these are all very easy ideas that you are able t to figure out yourself, but if they aren’t one you shouldn’t have the isle cause you are too young and discord has a tutorial now lmao

[hybrid matrix]

so lets say ur hiding in a bush as a utah and a carno walks right next to u, it doesnt kno ur there, but as it passes it can see ur name?

[worn pumice]

i mean 10 yr olds rly shouldnt be playing the isle

[obsidian yacht]

I see your point lol

[worn pumice]

theres blood

theres gonna be gore

and things get killed a lot

[carmine path]

There gonna be little fit of rage 😂

[worn pumice]

lol

[robust vine]

clearly the devs dont care anymore. once the evrima hype is over people will start to realize this and wont play anymore then the game will die

[hybrid matrix]

anyway

[carmine path]

Went from save global to that

[worn pumice]

yes clearly thats whats gonna happen

[obsidian yacht]

So maybe they can label AI

[hybrid matrix]

no

same issue

[worn pumice]

no global

game dies

[robust vine]

the devs need to start listening to suggestions

[hybrid matrix]

it shows u ai that u wouldnt have known about

[carmine path]

Several suggestions have made it into the game

[hybrid matrix]

plus it makes it insanely easy to track down ai that ran away

[worn pumice]

they have put several suggestions in the game

[hybrid matrix]

anyway, thoughts on my suggestion?

[carmine path]

You know carnos grand charge of death someone suggested that

[worn pumice]

they just dont listen to everything

and for good reason

[barren zephyr]

They really shouldn't

[hybrid matrix]

which ones?

[carmine path]

You know getting up quickly at the cost of stam that was a suggestion

[worn pumice]

bleed pounce

is one

[barren zephyr]

I go through GF alot, most of the suggestions are shit.

Lots of them of good though

[worn pumice]

lotta ppl complained about pounce and wanted it to do bleed

[carmine path]

Lets be honest we don’t have the brightest community

[robust vine]

CLEARLY they didnt take into consideration what the effects would be if you take away global. they're ruined unofficial servers since nobody is able to communicate anymore. its really unfair to people who have been playing with a community for years only for it to die because theres no way for them to communicate

[hybrid matrix]

not entirely sure about it but i think that my suggestion to just give deino good bleed resistance is one that got into the game

[barren zephyr]

fuck global

[worn pumice]

low key i miss seeing the complaints in global

[barren zephyr]

They had weeks to prepare for globals removal

[worn pumice]

while i travel the map lol

[carmine path]

Im just hearing whining and no reasoning we shut you down and you complain

[sonic mural]

No it wouldn’t a Utah should not be able to survive a body/head shot from a fully grown deino the only way it would survive is if the deino bit its tail

[still raptor]

Yes they did.

[robust vine]

why are you so against people wanting to enjoy the game

[carmine path]

Pffft

[barren zephyr]

This is stupid logic, I explained that you would have to buff its biteforce a ABSURD amount for it to work and then it would shitstomp everything

[carmine path]

Honestly wollow give up at this point

[hybrid matrix]

an*

[still raptor]

You can literally go on Legacy and look at the absolute shitshow global is. "G FOR GIGA EGG" "WHERE IS EVERYONE" "ADMIN RULE BREAK"

[barren zephyr]

Deino 4 shots stego to the head.

4 SHOTS

WITH 500 DAMAGE

Why would you BUFF that??

And deino can STUN stego with a lunge

[sonic mural]

I didn’t say once in my comment that it’s biteforce should be raised I’m just saying lower Utah’s health a bit or adjust locational damage for it or something

[carmine path]

Deino gets stunned

[barren zephyr]

deino duo

[worn pumice]

deino can stun stego too

[hybrid matrix]

really?? 🥺

[worn pumice]

yes

[still raptor]

That also doesn't mention the often racial remarks that are said in global chat. Especially with Evrima.

[worn pumice]

i just had it happen yesterday like 3 times

[barren zephyr]

utah would be shit then

[hybrid matrix]

[barren zephyr]

you would have to lower utahs HP to 500

which wouldnt be fun

[hybrid matrix]

i was once called out for being jewish

[robust vine]

maybe you should stop being ignorant and actually try to listen to me. I'm not saying add global to the official servers just give admins the option to enable it on private servers

[carmine path]

I remember Nublar staff went on vacation and for 1 day it was just racial slurs in global

[hybrid matrix]

some jackass started saying that jews are greedy

[worn pumice]

bruh

what

[sonic mural]

No it wouldn’t it’s fast and nimble enough to get away from basically anything carno wouldn’t be too big of a problem since Utah’s can juke them too

[hybrid matrix]

the whole chat had my back

[worn pumice]

why have there been so many racists recently

[barren zephyr]

stego would 5 shot utah with a bite attack that just shows how piss utah would be with 500 hp

[hybrid matrix]

this was like
way way back in January or smthn

[sonic mural]

Dude 1 shot with the tail can be enough to kill a Utah who cares about the biting

[barren zephyr]

shit idea

You hit the TAIL, why would utah die from that?

[sonic mural]

So u think a Utah should be able to survive a bite from a fully grown deino

[still raptor]

When I was playing Old Evrima (~Like the third patch) I killed someone as a Utah at center and he repeatedly called me the N-word, was literally saying kys, and being overly toxic in a situation where he should've been more aware.

[barren zephyr]

I mean just use RMB and you can one shot it

And it really isnt a issue for deino its doing just fine atm

you must be bad at it

[sonic mural]

I don’t use deino I use Utah

[worn pumice]

[barren zephyr]

that explains a lot

utah mains

[worn pumice]

how can u complain about deino when u dont use it lol

[still raptor]

^

[sonic mural]

All I was doing is trying to make it more fair for deinos going against Utah’s but ok lol

[barren zephyr]

it already is

[carmine path]

I use deino, so nerf lunge stam drain on smaller targets

Buff it on larger targets

[still raptor]

It shouldn't be fair lol. Dieno already shits on utah if it's competent.

[barren zephyr]

and why is the deino fighting utahs to begin with?

[still raptor]

8 ton creature vs 500 kg

[carmine path]

Food

[barren zephyr]

fish

[carmine path]

Not enough

[sonic mural]

I see a lot of it on servers

[worn pumice]

deinos need to alt bite

[barren zephyr]

kill other deinos

[still raptor]

8,000 kg vs 500 kg. The fight should be in the 8 ton creatures favor.

[carmine path]

Alt bite sucks ass on deino

[still raptor]

No it doesnt

[barren zephyr]

it got buffed

[worn pumice]

isnt it better now tho

[swift dew]

deino shouldn't be fighting anything. you should be ambushing and drowning

[barren zephyr]

yeah way better

[still raptor]

Use Alt bite every fight

Easy

Deino's stats are fine

[worn pumice]

wait the alt bite does it do more dmg or how'd it get buffed

[sonic mural]

True

[barren zephyr]

hitbox is more accurate

[carmine path]

Better turning speed maybe idk

[worn pumice]

ah hitbox ok

[carmine path]

Is the hitbox of deino itself more accurate tho

[sonic mural]

Lol I forgot about deinos alt bite ig ima just take my comment down since I agree with y’all now

[still raptor]

If you manage to drown something (which is fairly easy) it's super rewarding. Doesn't need it's biteforce to be 1,000 N because one terrible deino player facetanks a Stego.

[barren zephyr]

I really dont get why the alt bite even exist

why isnt it the normal attack?

[still raptor]

Idk

[sonic mural]

Better turn I think or something like that idk

[still raptor]

Because it's multi-directional?

[barren zephyr]

Its deinos best combat move and its locked behind a shitty setup

[carmine path]

I can see alt bite on deino but im confused why others need it

[worn pumice]

its cuz its multi directional

[barren zephyr]

But the controls SUCK

CTRL + ALT are awful keys

[still raptor]

More people are playing Deino like it's supposed too. Which is nice and terrifying at the same time.

[hybrid matrix]

yeah

[sonic mural]

Just go to shallow water lol

[worn pumice]

thats how u die as a deino

[sonic mural]

No I’m saying if ur not a deino and u need water to drink go to shallow water

[still raptor]

Shallows are only at one part of the map.

[worn pumice]

thats not always a thing tho

also shallows need to be reworked

its way way too long

and safe

[still raptor]

And if you're dying of thirst, you're going to risk your life for a drink.

[sonic mural]

There’s a rocky place I found with a spot of shallow water

But most of it is deep water so yea 99% of the time drinking water is risky

[still raptor]

Like it should be

You're playing a game of chance.

[worn pumice]

they got a mad dev now

things r gonna get better

[still raptor]

Unless you hear Deinos walking underwater (which is ridiculous) or use Group scent.

Those two things completely defeat the purpose of Deino.

[worn pumice]

that grp scent thing is actually ridiculous

it just destroys deinos thing

[still raptor]

You can see where they are and their elevation in water

So stupid

[worn pumice]

exactly

like man

i understand on the surface

[still raptor]

I think water should remove group scent

[worn pumice]

actually even on the surface

ye

[still raptor]

Water and Wallowing

[worn pumice]

water should just remove it entirely

[worn pumice]

^^^^^^

[still raptor]

Hopefully this comes in a patch

[tepid gate]

@vague phoenix @fallen radish And ermmm... what is that picture supposed to prove? Because it definitely doesn't prove that there are just two Deinos there. Let me put it this way. I've been playing Deino for the past two days and every instance where I was just with my friend we wouldn't cause the megapack scent. However the moment we would start giving off the megapack scent typically meant that there was another croc in the area. On that picture specifically you might've wanted to look around, it might even be a small croc hiding in the nearby area causing you to give off the scent.

[vague phoenix]

Just to let you know, those crocs were both my friends that I was with. I knew there was not others around because we were in a secluded area. Also, the main point besides the 2 crocs thing is you should NOT be able to smell a mega pack scent underwater. You cannot smell something under water. I understand if it is above water but below you should not be able to.

[tepid gate]

If they were BOTH your friends then there's no wonder you were giving off the megapack scent as you were megapacking.

And no, you should absolutely give off the megapack scent when you're mepacking whether you do it on land or in the water. It's s mechanic that's supposed to affect the effectiveness of megapacks which it does.

[carmine path]

Water dulls senses of smell why should it be any different in the isle

If it rained in legacy you couldn’t smell cause of the water why should it be any different in that context here

[tepid gate]

I've already explained - the megapack scent is a tool used to combat megapacking. Deinos aren't meant to be immune to this therefore it works in the water as well.

[carmine path]

They are underwater.

[tepid gate]

And?

[carmine path]

You can’t smell underwater!

[tepid gate]

And they can't smell underwater

[ashen wasp]

it does go against Deino's whole deal of ambush predation

[tepid gate]

Don't megapack and you can ambush just fine

[hybrid matrix]

but u can be smelled from underwater

[carmine path]

What in your right mind thinks that smelling things underwater is a good idea

[tepid gate]

@hybrid matrix If you megapack which you aren't meant to be doing

[carmine path]

From land mind you

[hybrid matrix]

while*

[hybrid matrix]

wut if u and ur deino bud pass by 2 other deinos??

or wut if ur just in the same river as 2 other deinos

[ashen wasp]

thing is, it's also effective when you're in a herd, as the group scent activates more readily when it's a mixed group of species

[carmine path]

Cool megapacks are bad, this is true, but if i am underwater how tf are you gonna smell me when you’re on land and your dino is not meant in the slightest to smell things underwater

[tepid gate]

@hybrid matrix Then you give off the megapack scent.

[hybrid matrix]

but in both cases that i listed, YOU. ARE. NOT. MEGAPACKING

[tame jungle]

how many slots is eu10?

[tepid gate]

You're in an area with more Deinos that are allowed. This is more of an issue with how megapacking works in the game but if you have any ideas how to fix that put it in the general feedback. If I'm in the water and other crocs start swimming by when I'm trying to ambush someone they will be having a bad time.

[tame jungle]

is the 250slot rumor true???

[carmine path]

Aken, what part of UNDERWATER do you not understand

[tepid gate]

What part of it's intentional because Deino isn't going to be allowed to megapack anymore than the terrestrial animals don't you understand?

[carmine path]

Aken can a dog smell fish underwater

Can a zebra smell croc gangs lurking in the depths

[tepid gate]

You can't smell animals anymore when there's more of them than when there's less either but you don't whine about that for some reason.

[carmine path]

Why would I when you got footprints you can smell those can’t you, you can smell their blood can you not

[tepid gate]

It's done for the sake of gameplay to combat people that try to go over the group limits.

It's as simple as that.

[carmine path]

For land dinos you can’t smell underwater it is completely illogical and unrealistic and ruins deino as a ambush predator

[tepid gate]

@carmine path It is also completely illogical that they start giving off a smell when there's more of them than a certain number. Why is that not an issue for you?

[tame jungle]

damnnn

eu10 with them 250slotsss

[carmine path]

Aken, they are UNDERWATER you’re not gonna be able to smell them if you like it or not it is unrealistic

[tepid gate]

Crocodilians also have to bask in the sun to remain active as their body temperature goes down if they just remain in the water constantly. Why aren't you arguing for them to be nerfed in that way?

[urban flax]

You can smell water in the game
This makes as much sense as smelling things that are hiding underwater

[young bluff]

the point is that, while it's not realistic, it is a game mechanic to combat megapacks....so if you or others have a way to discern megapacks from nonmegapacking deino, other than the current megapack scent, throw up your ideas....

[tepid gate]

"It's unrealistic that they can move around without basking in the sun first. We should make Deinos stop moving if they don't bask enough" - is pretty much the equivalent of what you're saying.

[swift dew]

this is just stupid, first of all its a mechanic to combat megapacking, second of all you get most definitly smell things in the water

[carmine path]

There’s no point in arguing till there is another way to discern megapacking cause that is all this argument is really about not realism.

[young bluff]

the problem I see with games depicting animals is that people want to play the game and be successful at it

but real animals have limitations

[tepid gate]

^

[swift dew]

wait, are you saying im not allowed to bring in realism into the conversation after you literally just said "it is unrealisitc"

[young bluff]

if they included realistic concepts in this game, people wouldn't play certain creatures cause they'd be inherently weaker than others....like why play herb if you can't defend against a predator somehow?

[carmine path]

Im saying there is no point in arguing till you can discern megapacking stop trying to make this something it isn’t

[young bluff]

despite "smelling under water," this is by far the most realistic and less cartoon-y dinosaur game

[swift dew]

what the hell are you even saying?

[carmine path]

While i stand by my point in the strongest of views, I do admit megapacking is a problem and there should be other ways to combat it besides scent for underwater creatures

[carmine path]

Does that make you understand what i am saying

[young bluff]

it boils down to mechanics...sure, it isn't realistic but it's a necessary function to combat 20-deinos moving down a river, f*cking up everything in sight with impunity....

[carmine path]

I can almost guarantee you will not see 20 deinos roaming together

They’ll starve before they get food and have to eat eachother

[young bluff]

I've seen a pack of 10 in a server...of varying size....as a pteranodon, I love to fly into groups like this and peck them to be annoying

[carmine path]

Trust me those groups last an hour at best, they get hungry as fuck and slowly leave eachother

[young bluff]

then why does it matter?

[carmine path]

Why does what matter

[young bluff]

the group scent stuff?....

[carmine path]

Because smelling things that are underwater hidden from sight and having smell dulled in that area and still being able to smell them is less than a good idea per say

[young bluff]

I wish pteranodon pecks were a 100% bleed chance....since they have no teeth and their beaks are like little pokers

maybe they are, however....I don't get pecked, myself

I do agree with other sentiments regarding rule servers....they're kind of annoying...especially with game mechanics to handle herding and megapacking....

[ashen wasp]

realism should come behind balancing and making a stable, dependable player experience. ultimately that's what distinguishes The Isle as a fictionalized video game, vs something like a simulator.

that being said, the argument against pack scent for submerged Deinosuchus that most resonated with me isn't that the water should create a scent barrier, but that it inherently goes against Deino's style of ambush hunting.

right now, iirc, the way group scent works is such that it generates an orange cloud when more than the species' group limit hangs around the same area; the more animals beyond that threshold there are, the larger the scent cloud. additionally, groups of mixed species-- both herbivores and carnivores-- generate clouds much earlier than if all present were the same species.

Since Deinosuchus's current group limit is two, this means that, overwhelmingly, animals coming to drink will have an early-warning system in the form of a scent cloud, especially if there is a pair of Deinosuchus around, as the pair plus the prey species will generate that group scent. this makes hunting as a pair of Deinos, something that's intended, extremely difficult.

one way around this would be to change how group scent works, if not for all playables than for Deinosuchus specifically, and only have group scent applicable for those above the surface of the water. the food cost of sustaining a large group of Deinos should discourage overpacking anyways.

[young bluff]

if I, as a pteranodon, want to fly around and peck random things for fun, I should be able to do that...it's risky as hell if I mess up and...well, I've messed up plenty

[young bluff]

just had a thought....maybe the group scent can only be detected above water but it lingers....so if you, as a group of deino surface for air, then go back down, you leave a little cloud...the cloud takes time to dissipates...it still lets herbs and others know there was a group of deinos there but not where they went, how long ago it was (exactly), and whether it is safe or not....

this allows megapacking negative results while allowing ambushing still...it also fixes the realism complaint

I posted my suggestion to the balance feedback channel....

[digital vessel]

Ok, afew things the flying system and swimming system are beautiful very very good work their guys. Unfortunately not all things released were good and to be honest a few things need ALOT of work and that is the AI system what I would do is remove AI bushes and leave grazing a thing for herbivores it would free up resources and allow for more land AI and they can pretend to eat whatever fauna you put into the game RP their little ugly faces off..... Second, the pvp is just horrible actually beyond horrible and that really isnt the only problem, the big problem is the collision that comes with it, that it causes when you are applying a hit and run tactic using bushes/jungle/trees trying to run by a target and apply a bite before you get stuck into them then dysync bitten doesn't add awhole lot of realism or sense.. Also stop nerfing utah pounce for the love of god it was perfect back on Q&A then you nerfed it, you can no longer even fully pounce anything without a 100% guarantee you will be bucked and the wiki says 4 pounces its more like 7-8 full pounces. After your entire pack of utahs is slaughtered by a single stego, 10 utahs go in only 2 came back with their friends bodies.. The only way to even pounce anything now is pounce target hold RMB for 2 seconds release so you dont get bucked and can run away and wait 10 seconds to repeat the 2 second pounce, because you dont get CC'd if you release the pounce... And global bleeding is way still to low I can get like 8 bites on me and still run my entire stamina bar out and not suffer a blood death. I can't even find criticism for the map because if i venture away from water and player spawn points starvation will occur.

[frank matrix]

Stegosaurus has spikes on his back I have an idea to make useful
Let s say gaint dinos that are bigger then stego like carno cant bite stego from above where the spikes then carnos has to the bite the head or the tail bit or he uses charge then he can attack any part of the stego this only workes on dinos that shape of a rex or carno

[barren zephyr]

Frumpkin, in real life Utahraptor and other therapods would hold their heads that high. The neck posture is a signature s-curve of therapods and other dinosaurs.

[digital vessel]

Like snakes thrust and weight were used

[frank matrix]

If they add that to the game they can make carno charge useful

[urban flax]

Two things
First, since when is carno bigger than stego ?

Second, they're not spikes but plates. Their goal isn't defense.

[frank matrix]

What then

[hybrid matrix]

most likely for show

[static niche]

Your suggestion would apply more to Anky than Stego @frank matrix

[frank matrix]

Yes

But i m talking about evrima

[static niche]

[frank matrix]

Evrima dosent have ankey yet im working with what we have

[urban flax]

Don't
Just do a suggestion for anky for when it's added

[static niche]

^

[frank matrix]

We

Most dosent peopole playing the stego its boring

[static niche]

The isle itself is kinda boring right now.

[frank matrix]

No the isle is horror

[static niche]

???

The only slightly interesting aspect about The Isle right now is combat, otherwise you’re just AFK farming on survival servers.

[frank matrix]

When you are raptor and you hear rex roaring

We need nasting

[static niche]

Nesting and diets are going to bring life to playing herbivores, so Stego isn’t going to be so boring in a couple of updates.

[frank matrix]

When that happened i will be dead

I have an idea that can make the isle more fun then before

The mode the objective is make Yours species survive

[urban flax]

Like, survival ?

[static niche]

Lmfao.

[frank matrix]

Mode about the last species is the winner

[static niche]

That’s more deathmatch-leaning.

[frank matrix]

Yes

But like survival

[fringe surge]

It's what I tried to explain in my own words. Crap on your community too much, and you won't have one anymore. Shrugs

[robust vine]

hopefully the devs will come to realize his and offer support to the unofficial server owners since the majority of players typically play on them

[fringe surge]

And besides what are we supposed to do? They have taken away modding rights for a few years now and will not give it back. So basically we play the game in the way they want us to play it or we leave. I don't really think they want us to leave. Cause if we were all to just drop the game right now, it would be over. :\

[robust vine]

i think modding will be added soon, i think that if they're not going to allow us to have a global chat or allow us to edit server permissions in the nest update they should allow mod support so that we can mod it in ourselves.

[worn pumice]

they actually never intentionally removed modding it just got fucked up

becuz of deathly

[fringe surge]

I agree with you. Let us make our own choices. We pay the money to host these servers, we need options to maintain them in the way that we want. So give us the option to do so.

[robust vine]

you need to pay in order to host a server?

[fringe surge]

Most of us do yeah, when we can't host them on our own rigs. Which gets expensive. Like the cheapest host I was able to find was like 70+ dollars a month for 100 slots.

[robust vine]

damn

i didnt know that

yeah, they should deffo allow people to do that. no point in running an evrima server if you cant offer anything different from the officials

[fringe surge]

agreed.

[frank matrix]

Pteranodon need some kind of nerf

[urban flax]

why ?

[worn pumice]

What why

[frank matrix]

Your to safe when you playing it

[worn pumice]

That’s the point

Ur literally a piece of paper

[manic ibex]

I kill ptera as a ptera. No one is safe

[frank matrix]

[manic ibex]

the dogfights are damn fun

[frank matrix]

Think about it you can fly in the sky for ever and find food easily

[worn pumice]

Ye but u literally can’t fight anything

Except maybe a hypsi

[frank matrix]

Its like spectator mode

[manic ibex]

only if you play it that way

you can fight pteras and small juvies

it's easy to grow and to survive as because you can't kill anything bigger

[frank matrix]

At least make catching food more of risk like jupming a crooc from the water can catch you

[urban flax]

that's planned

[frank matrix]

Oh

But it to easy to flay

[frank matrix]

But it to easy to flay

[urban flax]

So you suggest making it harder to fly for ptera ?

[frank matrix]

Yes like using the mouse

[urban flax]

How so ?

[frank matrix]

Like ark

[urban flax]

Explain, I don't know how flying works in Ark

[frank matrix]

You move the left to flay left or up to flay up

[urban flax]

So like a plane ?

[frank matrix]

Yes

[urban flax]

That doesn't really feel like flying a real animal

[frank matrix]

Do you have winges

[urban flax]

Ptera has thins thing when flying, that you have a lot of control over what you do
You're not piloting a plane or another animal

[frank matrix]

Because made to worke like an animal

[urban flax]

I mean the Isle's ptera

[arctic nimbus]

Isn't that the point?

[urban flax]

It's flying controls were designed to be as close as possible to controlling a land animal

So that it feels smooth and doesn't require unlearning what you've learned with land playables

[frank matrix]

Really do you animal fly on the same height always they move up and down up and down left and right left and right

[urban flax]

not gliders

[worn pumice]

I don’t understand the issue

Ptera is specifically a glider and a fisher

That’s why it doesn’t have massive stam

It’s not meant to soar super high

It still can tho

[frank matrix]

You have think about it all all birds does use stamina even if they are flying on the same height always

[frank matrix]

You have think about it all all birds does use stamina even if they are flying on the same height always

[urban flax]

No

Gliders don't use stamina hen they glide

Actually most of them can rest while gliding

Some can even sleep mid-flight

[frank matrix]

They use it least some littel stamina

[urban flax]

As I said, no

[carmine path]

Gliding=no stam use

Flapping wings=stam use

[urban flax]

Those birds are made for this, that's like lying on the ground for them

Plus, pteranodons were probably better gliders than any modern bird

[frank matrix]

But birds can t staye on the same height for ever 20 minutes

[urban flax]

Depends

[worn pumice]

Haven’t u heard of geese flying miles and miles on end

[urban flax]

Some can stay mid-air for weeks

Or even months

[worn pumice]

It’s quite impressive what sum birds can do

[frank matrix]

Yes but they dont stay in same height

[urban flax]

This means nothing

Of course they don't stay at the same height for months

But do you think they gotta taekoff from the top of Mount Everest to do that ?

Of course they might change altitude during their flight, by the way that's also what ptera does

It doesn't stay at the same height during its entire flight

[frank matrix]

No no actually ptera can stay on same height in the isle

[urban flax]

By using stam

If you don't touch your keyboard while gliding as a ptera you slowly drift downwards

[worn pumice]

^

[frank matrix]

No you can go up and never needing to go up or downe only for food

[urban flax]

Did you even play ptera ala ?

[frank matrix]

Yes played

[rocky iris]

@eager gazelle
"-LILITH-: I beg of you, fix the map to be not trash. I can't even offer constructive criticism because it has no redeemable qualities."

no offense but this just sounds more like a complaint than actual feedback, if they get no feedback then they have nothing to work on so they would over look your message and not even bother cause there's nothing to fix to them.

[frank matrix]

Ok soory

No im not criticim you

[urban flax]

This message wasn't for you

[carmine path]

...

Come on man

[frank matrix]

Oh okay then

Ok petra can t flay when there are just ben borne

[frank matrix]

Ok petra can t flay when there are just ben borne

[urban flax]

So ? What am I supposed to answer ?

[frank matrix]

Didint fiend nothing reply that made sense

[still raptor]

Eucalyptus trees as assets were terrible.

I would like them to re-do those assets.

[ashen elm]

I get finding the grasslands a bit boring but hopefully there will be variations and not just one type. I think they were going for a South American "Gran Chaco" biome feel
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/Chaco_Boreal_Paraguay.jpg

https://cdn.britannica.com/94/3894-050-054EA4DD/Palm-savanna-region-season-Gran-Chaco-Argentina.jpg

Though I agree it should a bit more spread out, with a bit more tree variation as with the first picture and with less dense trees. The elevation also needs to be looked at, because places like center is filled with weird hills when it should be flatter for grassland

[craggy charm]

^agreed

[ashen elm]

I think they should also do a "Cerrado" type of savanna too, as that has more diversity in plant assets. Even has a boab-looking trees lol
https://tunza.eco-generation.org/file/f10.jpg

https://imgur.com/yTipx5i

Parts of the Cerrado really look very classically savanna, with dry vegetation and very small shrub-like trees

[young bluff]

After reading through your comments, I am convinced you have little to no experience playing a pteranodon. They are anything but easy. They require good stamina control, good camera control, good flying control, and good landing control. They take a bit of practice to get good at but when you're good, you can fly through anything (as long as lag doesn't get ya), including the little cave/water system that has just enough space above the water to enter and exit without crashing. It's hard, but doable.

Finding food is not a given, as previously expressed. Not only would we have to find small juveniles before they see us, but the ripples in water are not always from fish and not always guaranteeing a catch. Deino's release bubbles when "sniffing" under water, which could be a tactic used to catch pteranodons. There's also no reason to believe that they can't fly when first "born." Try living off and not doing more than tapping the space bar key as needed to gain height. Holding space will straight up drain your stamina.

[hybrid matrix]

give-in?
do you mean given??

[young bluff]

Oops, thanks.

[hybrid matrix]

😐

[young bluff]

?

[hybrid matrix]

im debating how much of a loss it would be if an asteroid struck the earth

[young bluff]

@hybrid matrix , if grammar and a misuse of a couple words, while hyphenated, makes you want the planet destroyed, I feel sorry for anyone close to you. Must be like walking on eggshells.

[hybrid matrix]

I'm sorry but if you don't know the word "given" then that's on you

[young bluff]

🙄 You're missing a period at the end of your sentence.

I don't have time for people like you.

[hybrid matrix]

how can you be old enough to be on Discord but not know about the word given?

[hybrid matrix]

i mean, ur the one using proper punctuation on social media, but ok

[hybrid matrix]

wait, "living off"
u mean lifting?

also no need for that apostrophe in the word "Deinos" as it isn't possessive

[silver tusk]

I disagree. If you have ANY skill AT ALL, ptera is an easy mode dino as it is. Food is accessible at any body of water, and flying really doesn't take any skill as long as you aren't flying straight up and are not traveling strictly in a forest. Ptera is quite easy to learn and be decent at with a little practice. It's an easy mode dino because of flight to avoid predators, easy food finding as mentioned above, and very short grow time.

Im sorry if ptera isn't a dino you're good at, not everyone gets the hang of it super fast, but it's easy to play

It took me quite a while to master it lol

[hybrid matrix]

After reading this comment, I'm convinced that you have no fucking clue what you are talking about. Pteranodon is one of easiest playables to learn how to use. If you think that it's hard then that's because you don't practice.

[sonic mural]

True

[silver tusk]

Guys don't be rude

[sonic mural]

Also true

[paper oriole]

I learned how to manage stam and fish in well under an hour when first playing ptera and i'm a goldfish iq idiot

[silver tusk]

Same, fishing is tricky at first but once you know how it's quite easy to leadn

Learn

[paper oriole]

Yeah its easy to learn alone even

[silver tusk]

Agreed, I figured it out alone. First thing I learned tbh

[sonic mural]

It’s pretty fun too

[paper oriole]

Yeah its a good troll dino

[silver tusk]

Yeah!! If you have good aim then swooping down and pecking things is fun

Tip, if you're pecking utahs go higher or they can jump and make u hit them and fall

[sonic mural]

Hypsi just needs a better aim and it will be on same level as Ptera when it comes to trolling

[paper oriole]

Hypsi needs good enough aim to be able to defend itself and not just troll unsuspecting dinos

[silver tusk]

I feel like having fine tuned aim is good so they can't just blast your general direction and blind you, but if you aren't used to hypsi I agree it's a little TOO fine tuned

[silver tusk]

This^^ its hard to aim in 2 seconds with an attack

[sonic mural]

Yep lol

[silver tusk]

But then again, every dino takes some practice to get good at

[hybrid matrix]

Finding food is one of the easiest things to do as a pteranodon. Just fly down a river until you find ripples. That fucking simple. The hard part is actually eating the food. Ripples do always guarantee a catch. Yes, deinos release bubbles while using their enhanced water sense, but you can see the bubbles if you're skimming. Ok, you're right about how well freshly spawned pteranodons can fly, but you then said "Living off and not doing more than tapping the space bar key as needed to gain height." This sentence makes me want to rip my eyes out. First of all, you meant to say "lifting." Second of all, why call it a "space bar key" when space bar is the name of the key (space key is also acceptable).

[young bluff]

Dude, give it a rest. Feel free to fuck all the way off. 😉

[paper oriole]

[hybrid matrix]

No no, you brought this on yourself.

[silver tusk]

Jeez dude it was dropped. There was no need to continue to be rude :/

Anyways,

[young bluff]

WTF are you talking about?!

Maybe scroll up and read the whole conversation or stop commenting?

[silver tusk]

I did <3

Anyways,

Let's move on to a real discussion

[young bluff]

Man the toxic chat apparently lives in Discord now that global is gone.

[hybrid matrix]

Actually this discord server has always been toxic.

[silver tusk]

Yeah deino is fine as it is, people just need to stay in the water. Deino loses some power on land

[hybrid matrix]

Oh and you forgot a comma after the word "Man."

[silver tusk]

Zilla drop it it isnt worth the time

[hybrid matrix]

That was the last one, I promise lmao

[silver tusk]

Alright

[hybrid matrix]

some power?
all power

deino is worthless on land unless theres like 70 of them

[timber mesa]

@flat crypt to respond to your suggestion, the devs said they’ll increase the deinos damage once bigger creatures come in like rex, spino, giga, all those boys
If the deino does too much damage rn the roster would be very unbalanced

[hybrid matrix]

This is the same with all of the roster

[flat crypt]

Yeah, I understand thats a big part of it too

[hybrid matrix]

even then, a single stego can take out a good 4 or 5 b4 dying

[flat crypt]

I just hope it doesnt invalidate the grab too much

[paper oriole]

Deino can kill stegs on land, the odds are just vastly in the stegs favour

[silver tusk]

Deinos whole thing is grabbing and lunging, pulling prey into water. Sorry your apex can't kill a stego on 2 hits but thats just how it's gonna be. Good how they're increasing it to defend against other apexes though

[hybrid matrix]

deino grab needs less stam drain as well as being usable against dinos 1.5x ur weight while swimming

[hybrid matrix]

like, while the dino is swimming

[flat crypt]

For how long it takes to grow it does feel oddly weak. It does have a huge leg up in that if the battle turns sour, it can just.... Retreat to water. Which is a major plus. But I wouldn't mind it in the current state of the game being able to tackle stego a little more effectively so long as it has the water advantage

[timber mesa]

Yeah it probably won’t

[paper oriole]

Or just have terrestrials lose half of their weight value while swimming

[hybrid matrix]

kinda wut i said

except better

i mean

my idea is better

[paper oriole]

Itd have the same affect i suppose

[hybrid matrix]

bc it means more dinos fear the water

wait

both ideas have the same effect

bc either way stego is one of the largest things u can drag

and with my idea it is the largest thing u can drag

[paper oriole]

@tall oasis there is no way a ptera would be able to pick up a body with its feet

[hybrid matrix]

yeah

same for quetz

same for any pterosaur that we get

[tall oasis]

im talking like a hypsi or dryo lmao

[hybrid matrix]

dryo is heavier than ptera

[tall oasis]

well i didn't know dat

[hybrid matrix]

dryo is 120 kg and ptera is only 90 kg

[paper oriole]

Look at these fuckin things

[tall oasis]

well uhhh

[hybrid matrix]

quetz isnt getting this

whered u see that

[tall oasis]

devs said

[hybrid matrix]

who told u that quetz will be able to do this

[hybrid matrix]

when??

[paper oriole]

Maybe with his beak not his feet

[tall oasis]

they said that they are planning quetz to have dat

[paper oriole]

Quetz doesnt exactly have grabbers either

[hybrid matrix]

even then there isnt much stuff that a quetz could carry

[urban flax]

Quetz will be able to pickup things, but not with its legs...

[hybrid matrix]

well at least it isnt gonna use its feet

[tall oasis]

but i swore they said that they said that in the discussion channel

[hybrid matrix]

and even then

quetz wont be able to pick much up

[tall oasis]

they said it could carry live dryos or hypsis ect

[hybrid matrix]

quetz is only like 200 kg

[urban flax]

With its beak

[hybrid matrix]

do these developers who are making a dinosaur game have ANY IDEA HOW FLYING WORKS?

[barren zephyr]

Pteras legs weren't made to pick stuff up, it's also waaaay yoo light weight

[paper oriole]

I doubt a quetz could logically carry a squirming adult dryo while flying

[hybrid matrix]

quetz couldnt carry a DEAD adult dryo

while flying

on the ground, sure

[paper oriole]

Yeah i could see it grabbing homas and hypsis and velos maybe

[urban flax]

Realism is a thing, gameplay is another

[hybrid matrix]

nitpicking is one thing, but common sense is a whole other
quetz, which weighs about 200 kg, cannot fly while holding a 100 kg dinosaur in its beak

[paper oriole]

Carrying a dead adult dryo is a big stretch they could make for gameplay but a squirming one would just look absurd

[hybrid matrix]

its already front heavy

[paper oriole]

Even carrying a dead dryo would look silly

[hybrid matrix]

but flying with a dryo is just impossible

that quetz now weighs 1.5x its normal weight

and that extra 50% of its weight is in its head

[tall oasis]

ima die now lmao

[barren zephyr]

but what if he carries the dryo with his claws

[paper oriole]

@gritty hawk iggy isnt a hadrosaur and we are getting a big hadro: shant

I do agree iggy would be cool tho

[gritty hawk]

Yes

Iggy is a igaunodont

Almost same thing

[paper oriole]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664914260648001555/832020984613306438/shantconcept.jpg

I think this counts as big

[gritty hawk]

edmontosaurus is big

[swift dew]

not really, but we are getting a big hadrosaur and its shant, but iggy is nowhere near the size of shant, though I do think iggy would be a good addition

[paper oriole]

Iggy would be a good upper mid tier brawler

[gritty hawk]

Edmontosaurus is as big ias mapusaurus which is the biggest land carnivour so don't just be thinking that shant is the only massive hadro type thing

[paper oriole]

Could be pretty unique with grappling and stances too

[swift dew]

the picture miragaia just gave is shant, its 14 tons. edmontosaurus is like 4 tons iirc which is smaller than para

[gritty hawk]

Yeah

[paper oriole]

??? I wasn't lmao why you assuming

I brought up shant because it is planned for the isle

[gritty hawk]

I just assume a lot that people think there are not many small hadro type things

[gritty hawk]

True

[paper oriole]

Maiasaura is also reasonably sized though it isn’t a brawler type, we may also be getting the larger species of para

Who is pretty chonkers

[swift dew]

yeah I have not got a good source but im seeing alot of 4 tons for edmontosaurus, not very big at all

[hybrid matrix]

just said why

the reason is pterosaurs dont do this

and stop believing everything u see in jurassic park

[paper oriole]

What claws

[barren zephyr]

i did not see jp

[paper oriole]

Absolute nubs

[barren zephyr]

little foot

[paper oriole]

Try cutting all but the first digit from your toes and try to pick a cat up

[hybrid matrix]

pterosaurs do not carry things with their feet

[paper oriole]

This is ptera trying to pick up hypsi

[cyan flame]

@fickle frigate You do know both utahs, carnos, and deinos can pretty easily hunt and kill a stego right? Even tennos can fight one if it comes down to it. If that's not good enough, what exactly do you imagine challenging a stegosaurus should be?

[worn pumice]

a bad stego will die a lot

[paper oriole]

Utah packs roll over stego rn there are packs of like 20 utahs they dont even have to be good to kill a steg lol

[worn pumice]

well tbf 20 utah could prolly kill anything even if utah wasnt as good as it is

20 is a decent amount

[sonic mural]

😂

[paper oriole]

Utah is so easy to grow with a pack rn

[sonic mural]

Yea and it has a reduced growth time

[paper oriole]

Cant say steg has no challengers snd be serious about it lol

[worn pumice]

ye utah being 1 hour and 15 mins

idk how i feel about that

[paper oriole]

Utah packs can be full of toddlers with adhd and still mow shit over

[sonic mural]

I’m somewhat ok with it

[paper oriole]

They replenish lost members easily

And just mow everything over

Theres a difference between pack hunting and total swarms

[sonic mural]

Lol

From what I usually see in Utah packs is them being patient and taking turns pouncing but in swarms they run in all together biting and pouncing sometimes even killing each other

[paper oriole]

And the swarms suffer very little punishment for bad coordination

The megapacks in general do

[sonic mural]

Yea

[paper oriole]

They can all have 1 brain cell dinging around in their skulls and theyll still make kills

[sonic mural]

Lmao yea luckily they can still be stunned and killed when there’s only a few and not 20

I think utahs are more dangerous than carnos tbh

[paper oriole]

Yeah when theres a few otherwise youre toast and you can kill an average pack's worth and still die

Utahs are definitely more dangerous than carnos

They have like double the hp as their weight despite being scrappy, take barely longer than a ptera to grow, deal crazy bleed and are fast and agile af

They can easily dodge carno, stego and deino while attacking them

[sonic mural]

I play Utah a lot and there are a lot of Utah’s that aren’t that good at the game I remember I was fighting deinos with another Utah and he said he was hungry and then went near the water to pick up a meat chunk that was right next to the river the deinos were in and then got lunged and eaten by the deinos

[paper oriole]

Good that at least some of the flat soda IQ utahs get their just desserts but its super easy to just grow back sadly

[sonic mural]

Yea

[barren zephyr]

Speaking of bad Utah players, I grabbed like 3 today because they underestimated my size

I was like a 60% deino and they tried to face tank me

[paper oriole]

Good, good. The more dead utahs the better

[sonic mural]

Yeah if it were me I would’ve pounced first and not face tanked u

[sonic mural]

They gonna grow fast again😂

[paper oriole]

Yeah its basically dryo with a knife as far as skill and difficulty goes

[sonic mural]

That is actually a scary thing to imagine “dryo with a knife” lol imagine it in real life

[barren zephyr]

oh they tried to pounce me too, one missed I grabbed it and dragged it into the water

[paper oriole]

You could plop a 3 month old baby down at the computer and have him grow a utah for you

[barren zephyr]

utahs have very good food and water

You can literally just afk to basically fresh adult

[sonic mural]

Yea the missed pounce stun last for about 3 seconds and goon job not biting it bcuz it probably would’ve have killed it and it would’ve gotten away

[paper oriole]

I dont see utahs pounce deino successfully often

Maybe he's just too slippery huh

[barren zephyr]

It’s better not to pounce deino at all because it can literally just run into the water

[paper oriole]

Plus their bleed resist

[sonic mural]

I pounce them a lot and I never got pulled into water

They sometimes get cocky and come on land trying to fight and then try to knock us off on a tree

[barren zephyr]

I believe the pounce stops working if the deino is fully submerged

[sonic mural]

It does

[barren zephyr]

why don’t deinos just do that then? no point of trying to flight them off a tree

deino players are confusing too so

[sonic mural]

They do sometimes if there nearby the water but a lot of them are cocky

It does feel like they have crazy bleed resistance tho

[barren zephyr]

deinos are just so tanky

which makes sense

[sonic mural]

True

[ionic arch]

I hope Megalosaurus is on the 50 dinos list

@jade schooner there isn't a group chat anymore because it's stupid that you can't even see what your own species say but only hear bork (if you are a Utah)

[white rune]

Why would it ?

I mean, Megalo is the basic predator that Cerato could be, but better.

[jade schooner]

Oh well. Ideally chat itself comes back

[ionic arch]

Quiro it is a very good idea that only the owned of the server can decide if there is global or not

[thorny lynx]

I wish I had gotten more feedback on my grabbing suggestion.

[ionic arch]

Well yeah a stronger predator than cerato but slower, more health more bleed and slower on water

[austere forge]

Is there a server where u can play as any hypo? ik dumb question

[ionic arch]

No

@barren zephyr very nice suggestion!

[half horizon]

When they add the new water, will they make it murky

[worn pumice]

depends on the biome

if its rivers and swamps then yes

[half horizon]

ah,oke just to be sure, im so excited for the new water

[worn pumice]

same

[half horizon]

for the deino its so cool

[tawny juniper]

Pterosaurs for the most part never had legs/feet strong enough to pick pretty much anything, This is Jurassic park propaganda

[barren zephyr]

I only said that because birds do that

but thanks for explaining

[tawny juniper]

Birds and pterosaurs are only comparable because they fly

[carmine path]

For people complaining about global chat removal look at this ingenuity, who needs a mod when you have 2 monitors and discord global chat XD

people are already finding work arounds to your "problem"

[brave nova]

Should just let raptors pounce from the start really, makes no sense to magically unlock a new ability at 100% growth.

Imagine deino having to go grow to 100% to lunge, or stego 100% to swing its tail

[zealous nova]

Please fix the crashing in this gameeee

[barren zephyr]

yeah having 2 monitors is pretty sick

definitely helps me lol

[zealous nova]

I lost my 3 fully grown deino to crash bro it’s so stupid that I waste my time for this game to just crash and it’s not just me that crashes it’s all my friends to

[sonic mural]

😂yea I had the same opinion only difference is I think fresh adult should be able to do it

[swift dew]

utahs can't pounce at young ages because I think something is wrong with the tracking

so a young utah would pouce something but your animation would be playing in the wrong spot or something

[brave nova]

Pouncing animation is all over the place as adult too, guess it must be really bad then

are you saying they're meant to be able to pounce but it's just not working properly yet?

[carmine path]

ah

Beautiful

my dream has come true

[trim dock]

t h e y l i s t e n ed

[dense vale]

feedback worked

[burnt bone]

maybe they will listen about global chat for private servers

[fallen radish]

thankfully

[vast pasture]

hey would you look at that

[robust vine]

Hopefully they will :))

[dense vale]

now we just that that, and ponds, and a grouping button that isnt 2

oh and ai that isnt a urban legend

[robust vine]

And possibly make it so your Dino doesn't get stuck in between trees .-.

[burnt bone]

yeah, you are more likely to find a dryo player than an ai dryo if you just run around

and there are like 10 people in total who play as a dryo in the game

[brave nova]

you're not, I've seen far more dryo bots than players

[burnt bone]

yeah but ur prob looking in the spots they spawn right?

idk, i may be exaggerating a bit too much to prove a point

[brave nova]

I'm not saying I see dryo bots a lot, dryo players are just even rarer

[burnt bone]

yeah, they are just not very fun to play

[brave nova]

too bad, I can play dryo for hours without finding anyone to group with

they are amazing wym

[burnt bone]

especially now that global is gone

idk they can be fun if ur traveling with a herd of stegos and communicating with them

I did that for a bit, it was fun

but other than run in circles, theres not much else to do as a dryo

[limber merlin]

I was thinking

To motivate people to play Herbivores since most people do not

[brave nova]

I beg to differ, I think dryo is really fun. It's so fast and everyone wants to eat you. just wish I could find a herd of them, would be epic

[limber merlin]

Maybe if you play herbivore long enough you get like a small booster to your timer for your next growth? Just because it seems nobody really likes to play herbivores

[burnt bone]

If that is what you enjoy, then more power to you, to me it is not as fun. I prefer the ptera, same type of playstyle with easier escapes and you can scavenge the dead

[brave nova]

lots of people like to play herbivores

[burnt bone]

lots pf people play herbs

[limber merlin]

I never find them then

Just my luck

Just packs and packs of raptors and deinos

Don’t even see Pteras

[burnt bone]

just not dryo and not as much hypsi

[dense vale]

i like herb its fun to raise kids and when only herbs can mixpack

[burnt bone]

try going to center Leon, at least in the servers I play everyone groups there

[limber merlin]

^not a very good tactic for surviving tho

[burnt bone]

u right, but the herbs also go there to survive from canis

[limber merlin]

Hmm maybe they should add some kind of incentive to encourage the players to spread out a bit

[brave nova]

sitting in one spot just surviving forever isn't very entertaining though
edit: nvm the quote lol, wrong post

[burnt bone]

yeah, that will come much later tho

[limber merlin]

Like if the population cuddles in one spot make food regen more in the other zones and ai herbs spawn

[burnt bone]

well i gtg, it was fun talking

[limber merlin]

And cut most food spawns and such in that one zone to represent the effect the massive population is having on one spot

^would make herb herds migrate

[dense vale]

there has to be water around the map nobody is gonna walk a stego to the northwest for example just to dehydrate to death

[limber merlin]

Maybe small ponds that fill up temporarily when it rains^

[brave nova]

they should just cut food output across the board, imo. to make people move around

[dense vale]

the starve guy again

[limber merlin]

Could serve as a limited water source away from rivers

[molten tulip]

That would still make people stay at center

[brave nova]

you know it

[dense vale]

what if the map only has 2 people that way you have to walk around the whole map to find the other guy

[brave nova]

tbf Leon's suggestion is just my suggestion with extra steps, but noone's going off the rails expecting to starve all over the place when he says it

[robust vine]

Bruh I was in a herd of 13 stegos and a bunch of tenos earlier, was mega fun, just a shame we couldn't talk to them XD

[digital vessel]

How are they going to announce version 0.7.91.13 when it's more like 0.3.87.12

[lone kite]

to simplify what plaugegasus is saying is to divide the chat not by species but by group so a trike could speak with a diblbe or ava

[digital vessel]

With the state that herbivores are in I don't think they need mixpacking =/

[limber merlin]

^but I thought the devs said the intent is that only the same species can communicate

With the exception of the N-types

Speaking of N types

Since they don’t have eyes

[brave nova]

stegos do

[limber merlin]

I thought it sounds cool that they can only see animals when they make noise or move

Because it has to “see” for the players to see

But maybe like an aura?

[paper oriole]

Socializing in a mixed herd is one of the only perks of playing herbi

It would be a shame to lose that

I think it should be a server option to allow herbis to speak or group cross species

[digital vessel]

Stegos don't I just killed 10 utahs as a FG stego and I can back up 3 deinos from my drinking spot like they aren't kings of the water.

[brave nova]

I run with an organized utah pack and we kill stegos all day

[digital vessel]

Stupid stegos maybe

[brave nova]

stegos with teno support though, that's harder

[paper oriole]

Ive seen utah megapacks full of dumbasses with no plan roll over stegos due to how easy it is to make a group of 20 raptors

[cyan flame]

I suspect you've met some not very good utahs. And not very good deinos for that matter either.

[paper oriole]

Good deinos can beat stego

[digital vessel]

20+ raptors yeah should win, but if you know what you're doing youll roll utahs

I love when they pounce