general-feedback-discussion

[barren zephyr]

I mean VERY rare

[urban flax]

I know many MMOs where you cannot just chat with your enemies
Most of them actually

[barren zephyr]

you can generally understand body signals or vocalisations from other animals, sure, but still not what they are specifically saying

[urban flax]

In this game, other species are always neutral/enemies.

[flat crypt]

A realism argument is a moot point, this game has never been a realistic game

[barren zephyr]

the devs are aiming for realism

why try building an ecosystem then?

[flat crypt]

If this was say, Saurian? I'd actually totally understand that choice

But this game is far from realistic.

[urban flax]

Not really, but from a gameplay standpoint there's reasons to be against inter-species chat

[barren zephyr]

ye

[urban flax]

Mixpacking is already bad enough without it

[flat crypt]

I don't think removing socialising is the best way to try and prevent that

[urban flax]

They didn't remove it

They restricted it in a way that didn't hinder gameplay

[flat crypt]

it's much better to give people incentives for working within their own species, and punishing working outside

[urban flax]

And even without it, I manage to get along with randoms of other species in the game

It's what they've done. You are rewarded by working with your own species by being able to communicate, and punished for mixpacking by not being able to communicate.

[flat crypt]

if the call system was a little more robust I maybe wouldn't mind it

But the calls we have just don't really cut it

[urban flax]

Adding new calls is different from redoing interpesices chat, that I can agree to

But I don't see what calls you'd like to add

[flat crypt]

you have basically 3 ways of communicating a point to someone, which is waayy too limiting

a friendly call is fine, but imo 3 and 4 calls are where differences could be made. You might 3 call someone as a "i dont want you around here, please leave me alone" and they might think it means "screw you fight me"

having a defensive vs offensive style threaten would be a good way of helping in that regard

and 4 call is a bit broad. is it surrender? alarm? general distress?

[urban flax]

It's an alarm call

But getting that many calls isn't really necessary considering how limited interspecies communication is meant to be

Having short-pressed and long-pressed versions of every call would be good tho

[flat crypt]

If you're going to outright remove the ability to talk to other species, you need to give people a good way of getting their point across

[urban flax]

This way you can have short 2-call as friendly, long one as group invite and sound more like an attraction call, short 3 call defensive and long aggressive, short 4-call alert and long 4-call... surrender ?

[flat crypt]

That I wouldn't mind

[urban flax]

But you don't need to get your point across other species in this game

You're not having debates with them

[flat crypt]

But you frequently do?

am i telling this person i dont want them here, or that i want to kill them right now?

you don't need to be having debates, but there's nuances to what needs to be communicated

[urban flax]

The only thing you should have them know and that you should be aware of with them is wether you want to kill them or not, and wether they're going to kill you or not

Usually a 3-call is enough of a warning to make people understand you want them to leave

If people are willing to attack, they rarely 3-call beforehand

[urban flax]

@barren zephyr I think the devs have openly refused to change Utahraptor's name

[barren zephyr]

oh

well ok that sucks

But can't changes happen though

To me the opinions of devs do not seem all that static

[urban flax]

I'm not a great fan of the idea either.
If we rename utahraptor, why not rename spinosaurus, beipiaosaurus, ankylosaurus, tenontosaurus, hypsilophodon, troodon and every dino that isn't accurate ?

Basically 2/3 of the roster

[barren zephyr]

There is inconsistency with some decisionmaking relating to abilities

like beipi diving or not

[urban flax]

There is incertitude about Beipi diving ?

[barren zephyr]

Yes

[urban flax]

It's stated as a semiaquatic, I don't see a reason for it to not dive

[barren zephyr]

The concept shows it diving

But filipe said no

for some reason

Also Austro. Well idk if it will dive, but filipe said yes but it seems a bit nonsensical for it to dive deep

unless it is just swimming on the surface and craning the neck down

[urban flax]

I can see austro diving, as long as they don't make it into a stork like in the concept art

[barren zephyr]

I do not see austro diving whatsoever

[urban flax]

Legacy Austro could definitely dive

[barren zephyr]

I am familiar with the anatomy of diving birds, and they are not built like austro

their legs are built to propel, with large digits and the legs are sometimes awkwardly positioned at the back (like in loons and grebes), impending terrestrial movement

[urban flax]

Considering humans can dive, it's just a matter of mechanic wether they want Autro to dive or not

[urban flax]

You don't need short compact legs for diving

[barren zephyr]

humans do not have a tail in the way

and also diving birds have a greater range of hip motion

[urban flax]

I don't see how having a tail could prevent you from diving

[barren zephyr]

Halszkaraptor, an actual diving raptor, has a shortened tail and a more upright stance

Cormorants are generally upright, too

If we want to turn Austroraptor into a diver, it would need some fairly drastic changes to be good at it.

[urban flax]

Not really, as I said, it's only a matter of mechanics.
Utah can jump, yet they didn't give it rabbit legs for it

Same goes for hypsi

[barren zephyr]

I do not see them necessarily needing rabbit legs

[urban flax]

That's literally the same problem as the ability for Austro to dive

[barren zephyr]

and actually the way how they modified utah to be a better jumper was making it more lightweight

[urban flax]

These two dinos couldn't jump irl.

And they also made a galloping stego, without even changing its weight

[obtuse yacht]

Ok this is it... You can not play on official servers with no admins. And with that no stress test servers either. When all deino players are assholes and kill you when there is a fish right next to you and you say "hi" 🤯

[faint cypress]

logging out safely is still bugged? safe logged 66% deino and login to character select screen... kidding right?

[barren zephyr]

Cry about it

[mild root]

Yeah me2

[barren zephyr]

Crocodilians are predatory arseholes, and if you are playing as a deino yourself, expect cannibalism

until Diets

than we'll see how the tides turn

[mild root]

For u can i recover my ptero? Because after a safe logout i'm in the character selection page

[obtuse yacht]

I guess you are one of the assholes?...

[barren zephyr]

No

Because I am not bothered to spend 5 hours staring at my screen

I would be content playing things that grow relatively quick

[keen vapor]

@barren zephyr I dont get the point of that? Are you saying that dinos should only be able to eat one other type of dino/ food ?

[barren zephyr]

it's very very linear

with only one thing going for one thing

[rocky aspen]

@barren zephyr its a bit too specific for me.

[velvet sundial]

@barren zephyr pachy stomps trees to make fruits fall, as someone suggested before

[ionic arch]

I forgot to add the model on my Suggestion..

[rocky aspen]

Oooh...

[barren zephyr]

Dakotaraptor is not all that different from Utahraptor

they are both large dromaeosaurs with more or less the same hunting tactics

except they both independently evolved large sizes

[keen vapor]

@rocky aspen I dont dislike the idea of more animations based on emotions, but it would add so much extra work that i dont think it would be worth it at this current state since there is a lot to be done.

[urban flax]

I do dislike the idea of more animations based on emotions. It would add a lot of extra work that I don't think would be worth it, and besides, they're dinosaurs, not humans. Even mammals usually don't show much emotions, so reptiles...
And those "emotions" would go unnoticed 95% of the time

[velvet sundial]

Legacy actually has an emotion animation for fractures. Evrima stegos behave differently when they are running with low stamina. I think other animations will not be bad. They might even be an integral part of new aspects of the game

[rocky aspen]

I suggest maybe an idea for the far far future.

[urban flax]

Body animations are fine as long as they are logical. In legacy you limp when fractured because, well... your leg is fractured. But your dino looking angry when they're in a fight ? Meh.

[swift dew]

@barren zephyr most things should have at least 2 foods, and carno should definitly not have stego, its a small game hunter, it shouldn't even stand a chance against a teno. and deino eating pteras? what is deino supposed to get out of that, its like eating a nut. if im not mistaken you only used animals on the current roadmap, there are more than 50 + dinos confirmed, everything can have plenty more than 2-3 favorite foods (with the exception of a few such as austro)

[keen vapor]

That diet system is kinda stupid anyways, just wait for update 5

[swift dew]

Compy: Oro, Homa, 30 minute old gore.
Velo: Taco, Proto.
Troodon: Galli, Dryo, Hypsi.
Herra: Dryo, Ava, Ovi.
Austro: Beipi, Elite Fish.
Rugops: Ava, Troodon.
Mono: Troodon, Proto.
Utah: Pachy, Galli, Teno.
Dilo: Magy(maybe), Dibble, Ava.
Megalania: Kentro, hypsi.
Cera: Magy, Minmi, Other Ceras.
Bary: Beipi, Minmi.
Carno: Galli, Utah, Pachy.
Albert: Dibble, Maia.
Allo: Para, Dibble, Styraco.
Sucho: Teno. Elite Fish
Acro: Theri, Pachyrhino.
Giga: Stego, Shant, Cama, Brachi.
Deino: Teno, Maia.
Rex: Trike, Para.
Spino: Deino, Sucho, Bary, Austro, Other Spinos.

@barren zephyr This is what I think all of the carnivore diets should be, multiple food options so your not stuck to one animal, and animals that make sense for each animal to hunt.

[glad dirge]

Hmm I think any gore should be okay for compy

[ionic arch]

You forgot that Carno is actually a cannibal

And Spino eating other spino..? Ugh

[glad dirge]

Deino should have carno, and other deinos

[swift dew]

i only gave cera itself because its being pushed very hard by the devs that its a cannibal, I also gave it to spino as a way to counter there being 5 spinos in the same lake or swamp

[glad dirge]

But deinos are also viewed as cannibalistic

[little jacinth]

@swift dew i'd say as of Deinosuchus, diet should be whatever comes close to the water and can be dragged and drowned

[swift dew]

yes but they arent being pushed as hard as cera to be cannibals, I also see crocs as social.

[swift dew]

the diet isnt the only things you can eat, its the things that give you boosts when you eat them, if you give deino a boost to literally anything you start boosting its growth like crazy and is unbalanced

[glad dirge]

Ohhhh makes sense

Looks all good then 👍

[little jacinth]

Yeah that does make sense, youre right

[haughty cliff]

Why are you guys responding to my suggestion with control? I'm talking about laying down

[carmine path]

Laying down isn’t for stealth

[haughty cliff]

not all dinos can crouch...

[carmine path]

It is for healing and regening stam stam

[haughty cliff]

stego, tenonto, deino etc are still loud AF

[carmine path]

Deino is a stealth water predator

If it is on land so be it

[haughty cliff]

Yes, I'm aware, it doesn't cover all dinosaurs. It has nothing to do with my suggestion

[carmine path]

If you are caught sitting down by a carni then that is your own fault

[haughty cliff]

I think you're missing the point that not all dinosaurs can crouch

And being SUPER loud while trying to hide makes no sense

[carmine path]

Im sorry what?

[carmine path]

If you are referring to utah i would i agree with you but you are referring to no specific dinosaur

[haughty cliff]

...Correct, because not all dinosaurs can crouch... What I'm suggesting has nothing to do with crouching

[carmine path]

If you want to be silent crouch, if you want stam and healing sit, if you have an absurdly loud sitting animation 🤷🏽‍♂️

[haughty cliff]

I told you tenonto/stego/deino all have the same issue and you just answered for deino, that doesn't help with all the current/future dinos that have no crouch, no way to hide/stop snorting/squeaking in bushes, esp. as juvis

[haughty cliff]

They can't... all crouch

[carmine path]

No shit

[urban flax]

Then the real fix would be to make them able to crouch

[haughty cliff]

that would also work

[carmine path]

I will respond to this in a second gimme a min

[barren zephyr]

utahs idle needs to stfu

[urban flax]

There's no excuse for Utah, it can crouch

[barren zephyr]

I dont really care about the suggestion all that much, but god its idle is so loud

[urban flax]

When you rest you should be in a situation where the sound you make doesn't matter

[flat crypt]

honestly fully agree that either everything should be able to crouch, or at least let those that cant be quiet when laying down or idling

it's a little frustrating that not everything can crouch, given it's a way to not leave any trackable footprints if you can't wallow. But I get it might look weird on some animals?

Still, all animals should have some sort of stealth option that lets them be very quiet

[urban flax]

Crouching could be replaced by a careful slow walk in the case of non-crounching dinos

And for some of them, it could also serve as additionnal functionalities, like stego raising its tail to hit higher or trike lowering its head

Also, they made a perfectly fine "crouching" animation for Spino, who can't normally crouch

[swift dew]

somethings just shouldn't get a stealth option, like adult stegos. your a giant elephant sized dinosaur, your not stealthy. but baby stegos should

[flat crypt]

tbh for constistency's sake I think they should, even if it comes with drawback

a crouching stego would be even slower and worse at turning

If you manage to crouch in a bush well enough that a carni passes you by, that's on the carni for missing a giant stego crouching in a bush

[urban flax]

Well that's true

Crouching for this kind of creature would only be for "silent walk" and not be actual crouching

You wouldn't be any less visible than when standing

[flat crypt]

yeah, it's noise and scent more than visuals

[urban flax]

But maybe to balance it the other way, big playables who can crouch like rex or spino could still leave footprints

I mean, when you weigh 9 tons, no matter how carefully you walk, you're gonna leave some prints

[flat crypt]

yeah, it's not like something at that size needs to worry as much about leaving footprints anyway

but in particular for rex, i imagine being able to sneak quietly will be very handy, given it's not exactly the fastest animal on the planet

not that we really know much about their plan for rex in evrima

[paper geyser]

elephants can be surprisingly stealthy

[urban flax]

@nocturne tiger Explain your suggestion.

[arctic nimbus]

Mungle should be an apex

[honest sparrow]

I mean it is the isle

[edgy harbor]

Dude I mean just leave the group.

[honest sparrow]

As a wiseman once said

[silver zephyr]

tbh I just think its kinda scummy, sure what they did was annoying but that doesnt mean to call them out in the public discord and potentially ruin their experience

[edgy harbor]

If they continue to have public beef they can just go to dms. People call out people here publicly all the time.

[barren zephyr]

Yeah but probably not in general feedback

People will be people

[silver zephyr]

[edgy harbor]

Hm

Yeah

Calling people out publicly doesn't belong in feedback.

u rite

[copper finch]

Ι think ptera should stand in vertical surfaces like rocks and logs

[rugged quarry]

like latch on to cliff faces?

[glad dirge]

I made a sketch of that before, (note that this was before I how ptera would grab things)
https://i.imgur.com/2NWmzIr.png

[silver zephyr]

iirc clinging onto surfaces as ptera is confirmed

[rugged quarry]

Allo should have it's secondary attack be it's theorized axelike slashes.

[swift dew]

this was debunked, and allo is most likely getting a grapple

[rugged quarry]

The isle isn’t shy about inaccuracies

[hybrid matrix]

yeah but allo was confirmed to be getting a grapple, no?

[swift dew]

i dont think its confirmed, but its thats most likely what its getting.

[outer condor]

Allo is getting a grapple

[swift dew]

it would also look pretty stupid to see an allo just bobbing its head up and down as an attack

[gaunt forum]

So I finally got in and was allowed to pick what species I wanted to play. But now I have a overview of the Island and nothing seems to be happening. Thought it was just a slow load but have been here for quite a few minutes. Anyone else have this problem or any advice?

[solar latch]

o wow that'd be awesome

[twin knoll]

Ik it's a cave/waterfall xd but still I stuck and slowly dying xd

[solar latch]

yeah thats happened to me twice already

I was like 50% and just

rip

[twin knoll]

Yeah I'm around 50 so I don't really mind

But I'd I was 100% grown I would cry xd

[solar latch]

lmao fr. I also found some spots in the under water hinding spots that if u go in you're just stuck there until you drown

[twin knoll]

Yeah

It kinda suck xd

[solar latch]

lol im sure itll be fixed relatively soon I cant imagine thats crazy hard to fix

[twin knoll]

Just put some rocks on the holes Xd

[solar latch]

I do like the caves tho, I think its a good hiding spot for baby deinos

[twin knoll]

Yeahhhhh

[solar latch]

especially since the adults have a tendency to murder the baby ones on sight

[twin knoll]

True

I only survived cuz I had an adult xd

[solar latch]

lmao yeah I feel that. When ur soloing its really hard to not just die in the populated areas

Hiding spots for babies is where its at

[twin knoll]

Ye

[keen vapor]

@worldly ginkgo Instead of population limits, devs should try and make playing mid tiers more fun. Apexes in legeacy were honestly insanely strong for only like 2-3 times longer growth. Deino currently i feel like is very balanced

[austere forge]

Whats a server that u can get points to grow

[ionic arch]

Progression mode is on Legacy but you can't play because they removed it's feature

[hybrid matrix]

thats not wut they meant

[ionic arch]

Ohh well what then?

[hybrid matrix]

they meant servers where u can buy grows, tps, and injections

[ionic arch]

The only mode that you need points to grow is Progression

[austere forge]

people say there is a server that u can get points to grow

[ionic arch]

OHHHH ok

[hybrid matrix]

:)

[hybrid matrix]

i kno that nublar does this
so does nycta
and i think teutonic

[ionic arch]

There is multiple one but you need real money for that, I suggest you Isla Deppera when you join ask for Depleon for more details

[paper oriole]

saurophaganax just sounds and looks like big allo

[hybrid matrix]

which is kinda wut acro is
which is kinda wut giga is

[paper oriole]

not only would it be pretty boring appearance wise to just have an allo/acro clone but also it would be hard to make it unique without taking possible mechanics away from the other two

[craggy coral]

what happens if u get stuck? any devs can help or do you just wait to die

[barren zephyr]

Why do we even have Acro? Like what is its purpose?

[barren zephyr]

Usually just wait to die.

[paper oriole]

kinda depends, if you're wedged between a tree or something safelogging sometimes fixes it

[hybrid matrix]

its interesting

like rlly interesting

[paper oriole]

players shouldn't be punished like that for straying from their ideal region, they should be encouraged to hang out there with diets and only discouraged by not sharing adaptions to those areas that dinos designed to be there might have

[hybrid matrix]

but im not sure if ppl r gonna like being forced into one place

i remember dio suggested a hardcore mode that included extinction
maybe this could tie in with that

[solar latch]

i agree with that. Encouraged? Sure. Forced? Nah.

[barren zephyr]

I was thinking it would probably be after spending at least 50 minutes outside of your preferred region before negative effects set in. And this is all assuming different species live a solely tropical/arid/temperate lifestyle.

[hybrid matrix]

however, if there are extremely hot/cold climates then i think that overheating and freezing would be a good idea

[barren zephyr]

I like the idea of Overheating not just for species outside that region but the species within it also if they cannot find shelter/water soon enough anyway, same with freezing.

[silver zephyr]

temperature mechanic

[barren zephyr]

[solar latch]

I think in parts of the map snow would be cool too

[wispy cypress]

bruh @barren zephyr no

[barren zephyr]

Biodomes I think.

[wispy cypress]

3. yes sure

[barren zephyr]

Why's that?

[wispy cypress]

2. no

3. is realistic

2. is like a debuff

it doesn't help that some dieseases are deadly like ebola or yellow fever

1. i don't really care about coughing and such it's okay

[barren zephyr]

I didn't go to far into disease due to all the controversy.

[wispy cypress]

oh okay, please elaborate about disease

[barren zephyr]

I mean probably not fatal diseases put diseases that give debuffs although they would be EXTREMELY difficult to get and would likely involve mixpacks or superpacks.

[wispy cypress]

oh ok maybe i was too harsh

[barren zephyr]

I figure certain plants could be used as cures, although not sure about carni's.

[wispy cypress]

somethin like Bob

[barren zephyr]

Idk much about BoB, how does there disease system work?

[wispy cypress]

it can be cured via plants

[barren zephyr]

And thanks for the feedback man, constructive criticism helps a lot. And strive to make ideas that will make the Isle not only more realistic but enjoyable.

[wispy cypress]

your welcome

[barren zephyr]

O cool, maybe carnivores could roll around in certain plants? While herbivores could consume them.

[wispy cypress]

yea

just make sure it aint poison iv

or a blackberry bush

with thorns

[barren zephyr]

First of all , secondly you know that could be another possible thing that could effect certain larger species that go into to dense of jungle.

[wispy cypress]

true

[barren zephyr]

@static socket Your aware those aren't real species right?

[hybrid matrix]

WHHHAAATTTT?????!!!!!!1

[spiral ravine]

im sure people will come up with all kinds of ridiculous creatures on modded servers once modding is a thing, but official servers and the base game will never have something like indominus rex

[barren zephyr]

[hybrid matrix]

[barren zephyr]

Hyper, Neuro, Magna, the other one I can't remember all trump Indo

[spiral ravine]

heck, i don't even want hypo in the game, but that's gonna be a thing

yeah

[hybrid matrix]

but fr tho i hope someone makes a xeno mod
imagine ur just chillin as a rex and u see a WHOLE ENTIRE XENOMORPH QUEEN

[barren zephyr]

[hybrid matrix]

yep
imagine being chased by xenos as a merc tho

[paper oriole]

Lmao what is that suggestion

[hybrid matrix]

mild diarrhea for apexes

[paper oriole]

I hope whoever upvoted that did so ironically

suffer a mild diarrhea

[hybrid matrix]

or bc they agree with the fish part of it

[paper oriole]

Maybe that too

[barren zephyr]

Imagine that's the negative effect carnivores get for eating "bad" meat

[hybrid matrix]

i'd rather get chased by xenos

[barren zephyr]

ditto

[paper oriole]

Xenos inject you with a venom that gives your apex a mild diarrhea that attracts sharks

[hybrid matrix]

nevermind then

[paper oriole]

But your 50km/h giga should have an easy time escaping

[hybrid matrix]

true, but if u've seen alien3, then u kno how fast those fuckers can get

[paper oriole]

Hm yes good point

[molten tulip]

Please add Mario to the isle video game

[barren zephyr]

How did this conversation get to the point of diarrhea causing venom injecting xenomorphs?

[paper oriole]

Mario is too op, how would we balance him against minmi?

[molten tulip]

When mario goes near a herbivore bush he explodes to keep the game balanced

[barren zephyr]

Replace minmi with Mario, fixed.

[paper oriole]

Give minmi a gun

[barren zephyr]

Cannon face

[vale pawn]

Minmichine gun

[swift dew]

maybe a mini gun? or should I say, a minmi gun

[hybrid matrix]

wait

[swift dew]

wait did this guy really say to add indominus and indoraptor?

[hybrid matrix]

krayt ✅ed it

and yes they did

they did indeed say that

[swift dew]

im betting krayt is trolling, idk about the orignial poster though

[barren zephyr]

Yep, then he didn't say why.

[hybrid matrix]

yeah
i hope krayt is trolling

@static socket why

[swift dew]

dont even ask why, people who want those things added to the game don't understand the concept of reason

[hybrid matrix]

FOV is a great idea

i dont have any FOV issues, but i still think its a great idea

[barren zephyr]

why are so many people bitching about cannibalism?

if you're hungry you eat

lol

[hybrid matrix]

exactly

[barren zephyr]

What if everything should get a bonus for killing juvi rexes

[hybrid matrix]

if game sins reviewed the isle then playing as a juvie rex would be the same as eating an apple in a movie
they both make u an asshole

[manic ibex]

People bitching about cannibalism are actually bitching about KoSing, nothing more

they are ok to eat their own

just not kill them

[hybrid matrix]

so ig if i feed store-bought chicken tenders to a live chicken thats ok?

[swift dew]

the term kos was just made for complainers to complain easier than they died

[hybrid matrix]

kos is bs

kfs is the other kind of bs

[tawny juniper]

kfs

kill for shit?

kill from sight

[hybrid matrix]

kfs is kill for sport

kos is kill on sight

[tawny juniper]

That makes more sense

[hybrid matrix]

kos is made up bs

[tawny juniper]

I mean

I guess

[hybrid matrix]

kfs is a real issue

[tawny juniper]

kos is often kfs

[hybrid matrix]

so just say kfs

[tawny juniper]

but kos has some survival to it

[hybrid matrix]

how

[tawny juniper]

You are dying

You see a dryo

You kill it on sight

Because your dying

[hybrid matrix]

oh

yeah thats why kos is bs

[tawny juniper]

I agree that kfs is a much larger issue

[hybrid matrix]

kos isnt an issue at all

[tawny juniper]

The bad side of kos isn't an actual thing because at that point it's just kfs

[hybrid matrix]

exactly

which his why its bs

[manic ibex]

KoS is a made up term used by people who can't take responsibility for their own failure at surviving

[tawny juniper]

Agreed

[hybrid matrix]

exactly

[manic ibex]

they are bad at the game, die, then complain about it and call it KoS, instead of questioning their skill and then improving.

[tawny juniper]

Well

It's not always them

It's often just misinterpretation of kos and kfs

[hybrid matrix]

yeah but its usually them

[tawny juniper]

agreed

[manic ibex]

well, they cannot know the hunger % of their killer. Maybe they killed them for survival, maybe not. they don't know, so in doubt they call it KoS.

[tawny juniper]

true

[swift dew]

like oh, he killed me on sight, what am I supposed to do? stare at your for 5 minutes and then kill you? would that make you happy?

[hybrid matrix]

very much so

[manic ibex]

if I have to die to an adult carno as a juvie (for example), I'll prefer to be attacked on sight, instead of being toyed with and then die

[hybrid matrix]

ur an idiot for disagreeing with me

[manic ibex]

I'm not

[hybrid matrix]

you're!!

[tawny juniper]

I thought we were all agreeing

It was joke

[hybrid matrix]

[tawny juniper]

God where did my brain go

[manic ibex]

yeah I figured that was trolling

but you know, even kfs can be defended. It's a video game, and kfs is fun. shouldn't a video game be fun to play?

[hybrid matrix]

its only acceptable to kfs on no-rules servers or on deathmatch servers

[manic ibex]

ofc, breaking a server rule just for the sake of being an ass is dumb

[barren zephyr]

how is this an issue at all?

It's a survival game, to survive you kill shit to make sure it can't kill you

[hybrid matrix]

bc killing for sport is just an asshole move

[barren zephyr]

How though?

[hybrid matrix]

thats not how survival works

survival works is doing the least dangerous stuff

[barren zephyr]

Dino's in x area that I frequent = I should kill those Dino's for 1. corpses I can return to for food / bait more kills for food 2. safety if they decide to attack me

[hybrid matrix]

attacking everything in sight bc "it might pose a threat" is more dangerous than just avoiding that dino

[barren zephyr]

If you're dog at the game maybe lol, if you're full grown and you can easily kill juvies/sub adults then you should

If you think you can beat another adult, you should

It's loads of food for a long time and it creates safety for you

[hybrid matrix]

yes bc safety is when every hungry carnivore can smell u from miles away

👍

plus

[barren zephyr]

If they're hungry and I'm not then I'm doing a good job of surviving

[hybrid matrix]

killing subs if ur fully grown is enough food for about 10-15 minutes

[barren zephyr]

Awesome that's 15 minutes where I don't have to worry about food

[hybrid matrix]

exactly so why kill more stuff that ur not gonna eat

bodies dont last forever

[barren zephyr]

To make sure they don't grow

If they grow they can become a threat

[hybrid matrix]

this is the kind of logic that makes no sense

[barren zephyr]

How?

[hybrid matrix]

theyre gonna book it if u just give em a scare

they'll run and never turn back

[barren zephyr]

You can use Q to follow their trail

[hybrid matrix]

why kill something ur not gonna eat just bc it MIGHT kill u later

[barren zephyr]

Because it might kill me later lol

So I should kill it now

[hybrid matrix]

MIGHT is the key word here

[barren zephyr]

Yes and why would I risk that?

[hybrid matrix]

bc if u kill them later then u get more food

[tall plinth]

but you also risk dying

[barren zephyr]

Food isn't the concern if I'm killing a bunch of shit, it's making sure they don't grow into anything dangerous or form a large enough pack to pose a threat

[hybrid matrix]

the only reason u should be killing things is self defense or food

[barren zephyr]

e.g we have a full adult Utah pack, we have mostly control of center/south waterfall

We see 3 juvi carnos

[hybrid matrix]

not bc it MIGHT threaten u

[barren zephyr]

100% we kill them every time

Even if everyone is full hunger

It's stupidity not to KOS them

[hybrid matrix]

yeah but u dont need to

[barren zephyr]

??????

I'm really not following your logic

[hybrid matrix]

ur not trying to

survival isnt kill everyone

survival is kill if u have to

[barren zephyr]

It is if you want access to the most resources

[hybrid matrix]

yeah but u just said that u do it bc u dont wanna risk dying later
not for the food

[barren zephyr]

Honestly just sounds like you're making excuses because you got killed by someone and they didn't eat your body lol

You were in their territory

They thought you could become a threat later

They kill you

[silver zephyr]

not having food can result in your death

[hybrid matrix]

🤨

[barren zephyr]

Killing as many other dino's as possible before they're a threat is a legitimate strategy to survive

[hybrid matrix]

its not
its riskier than just avoiding them

in fact, REAL FUCKING ANIMALS that have to survive all of their lives only kill things if they absolutely have to

[barren zephyr]

Ah yes go hide in the woods forever and let them grow into full adults and dangerous packs

[silver zephyr]

depends on how strong you are vs the other dino

if your an adult carno why not run down that juvi rex

[hybrid matrix]

this is true

[barren zephyr]

I play Utah so I can pretty much kill anything except a good Deino who hides in the water

What reason would I not therefore kill everything?

"because it makes me feel bad" isn't a valid reason

[hybrid matrix]

bc utahs are tiny, can hide easily, are fast, are the most agile creatures in game (aside from dryo), and can jump onto inaccessible areas

[barren zephyr]

And they're excellent at killing other dino's for exactly those reasons?

I don't understand why you would just hide when you can kill

Killing stuff = territory and resources

Hiding lets them grow and pack up

[hybrid matrix]

i think u just answered ur own question

if u can kill anything as a utah, why waste future resources by killing these baby carnos when theyre so much more food as adults

and thats why ur logic is flawed

[barren zephyr]

Think we're just going to have to agree to disagree here, I will KOS everything possible for the rest of my time playing this game. That doesn't make me an asshole as you've said previously. It's playing intelligently to the strengths of the dino I play.

[hybrid matrix]

but u just said that u do it for the resources
more resources from killing adult dinos

[barren zephyr]

There are multiple reasons - they give you food, they can't grow, if they're already grown then you're reducing the number of a potential future pack that could be dangerous to you.

You're looking at it far too cut and dry.

[hybrid matrix]

and since utah can kill anything
why not just get more food?

[silver zephyr]

sometimes its better to just go for the kill and not risk them murdering you later on, you dont always have the same approach to situations

[manic ibex]

You're the one advocating for not killing adults because it's a risk, then you say it's better to kill adults because they wield more food. @hybrid matrix

[barren zephyr]

Because that one juvi carno could be 5 adult carnos in 2 hours

lol

[hybrid matrix]

im going by their logic rn
if u wanna kill ppl for food then why kill them as juvies? they're worth much more food as adults

[barren zephyr]

Ah yes take one singular reason out of the multiple I gave and harp on it repeatedly

A genius plot to win this argument

[silver zephyr]

because they might not get the chance again and dont want to risk injury or death later on

ppl dont stay in the same place 24/7

[hybrid matrix]

the fact that u dont wanna risk injury or death is the whole reason that kfs is stupid
ooofff course u edited ur message :)

[silver zephyr]

I added later on

[barren zephyr]

?

this was your original point

[hybrid matrix]

yeah after i sent my message

[barren zephyr]

how is it an issue?

[silver zephyr]

so what if someone edits a message

?????

[hybrid matrix]

bc it doesnt make sense for a survival game

[barren zephyr]

Not to you maybe

You know humans have wiped out huge amounts of predatory animals for no food right?

[manic ibex]

if they are adult, they might kill you. if they stay juvies, they can't. so kfs is the safest way. how many times did you die by starvation, and by being killed? you have more chances to get killed than starve. So killing the juvies is the safest bet

[barren zephyr]

Or do you think we eat all of the mosquitos and wolves and bears?

😄

[hybrid matrix]

humans are like a get-out-of-mass-murder free card
humans dont count

[barren zephyr]

Ah yes only the evidence that supports YOUR argument is valid

Done here you're silly

https://tenor.com/view/forrest-gump-forrest-gump-wave-hello-gif-5576725

[hybrid matrix]

dude

theres no way u can actually think that the most bloodthirsty animals on the planet validate ur argument

[barren zephyr]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surplus_killing

[silver zephyr]

[hybrid matrix]

ive never heard of that

i still dont like kfs

[barren zephyr]

?????????????

[hybrid matrix]

im admitting defeat

i still dont like kfs

but do wutever the hell u want bc ive got a burger to eat

[barren zephyr]

Yes I'm sure all those dead animals in the wild don't like it either but it's very much a real thing

Heyhey I am going to slide in here. Kfs is a common thing, and honestly there is not much you can do for it. It is a strategy, and some people do find it funny. Thats okay. Its alright to think its a asshole move though as it is just a game and wanting other people to not enjoy the game can be mean to some peoples standards. Therefore if you have a problem with it, there are servers with some rules against it.

[tawny juniper]

People kill mosquito because they are an annoyance and can cause disease, People used to kill wolves and bears for safety food and resources, But have now done it as more of a novelty

[tawny juniper]

I don't want to read that

what are you trying to get across

[barren zephyr]

It's perfectly normal in nature for predators to kill for no reason other than to kill things

Therefore KFS in-game is perfectly normal

The guy earlier was saying it was an asshole thing to do

[tawny juniper]

How can you be sure of that at all

[barren zephyr]

Sorry?

[tawny juniper]

How do people know that animals kfs

[barren zephyr]

It has been observed in the wild

[tawny juniper]

There are so many different factors in the way brains of all organisms work

If it's just been observed then that's complete bs

One of the examples I see is the ferret killing a chipmunk

[barren zephyr]

Alright dude I'm not here to argue with you whether animals kill for sport in nature, they do, you can look it up

lmao

[tawny juniper]

Hell for all we know the ferrret mistook the chipmunk for an enemy, the chipmunk was to close to the ferrets offspring, The ferret is diseased

But what evidence proves this other than an observance

People "observe" things all the time

[silver zephyr]

yall are just coping, whether its an asshole thing or not kfs can be a viable tactic for resources and protection

[tawny juniper]

For example cryptids

People observe bigfoot in the wild all the time but that doesn't mean shit about his existence

[silver zephyr]

[tawny juniper]

@barren zephyr How do people know for a fact that what's going on in the ferrets brain says "Kill it for sport" and not any other reason

[barren zephyr]

It's called observable science - you can't read the fucking mind of a wolf but you can observe that it killed 50 sheep and only ate 1

[tawny juniper]

Can I see the wolf that killed 50 sheep example

Please

Is there a story behind that

and again

The wolf could be insane

Or sick

Like what proves that he did it for sport

Like

Observable science can give you idea but it isn't the answer

[tawny juniper]

Okay

SO what about that 100% shows that it was for sport

And not that the wolves were sick

Or that they considered the caribou threats for someone

Or that they are literally just very defensive wolves

[barren zephyr]

Why are you trying to deny that surplus killing / killing for sport exists?

I think that's the better question

[tawny juniper]

I'm not saying it doesn't exist

But what I'm saying is your examples kind of suck

[barren zephyr]

You literally didn't read my examples

Go to the wiki page

"i don't want to read that"

[tawny juniper]

There is nothing here showing a psycological reaction or and sort of test to show psycological reaction about why the wolves did this

[barren zephyr]

Go get your mind reading device and report back then

[tawny juniper]

I'm not saying I could do it

I'm saying how the hell are these good examples

When there is absolutley no backbone other than what these people saw

@barren zephyr I didn't deny that it

[cyan flame]

@tawny juniper Why is that relevant? Does it matter why something killed something else?

[tawny juniper]

people arguing that kfs in the isle isn't a shitty thing to do so they show me a bunch of clips which sow no real evidence as to why the animal went and killed for seemingly no reason

[tidal remnant]

i love spawning in a tree and cant do anything about it. just have to sit here until i die...

[barren zephyr]

It has literally been fucking studied in the wild by scientists

[tawny juniper]

Can you comprehend english

[barren zephyr]

??????

[tawny juniper]

What shows that this was for sport

and not some disorder

[barren zephyr]

Who do you think you're talking to

[tawny juniper]

I think I'm talking to you, But maybe i'm the crazy one here

[swift dew]

ah yes, because wiki is the most reliable source there is

[tawny juniper]

Do people read at all

[cyan flame]

Again, why does it matter? Even if it a shitty thing to do, it doesn't matter. People will be shitty, simple as that.

[barren zephyr]

https://archive.org/details/velvetclawnatura00macd/mode/2up

There you go!

[tawny juniper]

I am not denying that kfs exist I am arguing over the amount of shitty examples they call their evidence, I understand that this may or may not be an example of killing for sport but everything else I've gotten up to this point is basically shit

[barren zephyr]

https://zslpublications.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1469-7998.1972.tb04087.x

[tawny juniper]

Before I click this does it have anything in it that actually shows that the animal conciously decided to kill something for sport

[molten tulip]

Kosing is fun though, let people do it

[barren zephyr]

You're functionally retarded

Simple as that

[molten tulip]

Especially since there's literally nothing else to do

[tawny juniper]

Okay, Now that we have agreed on that. Can you answer my question

[barren zephyr]

It has been observed over many different species of predators by wildlife biologist experts

and you're arguing

about if the animal

wanted

to kill

for sport

[still raptor]

[barren zephyr]

??????????

[tawny juniper]

I keep telling you that observed doesn't really mean shit

[barren zephyr]

What do you want them to do? Install a fucking neuralink in a wolf and set it off in the woods?

We can't speak to animals you know

[tawny juniper]

I'm aware of this

[barren zephyr]

You can only go off of what you observe

[tawny juniper]

But we also can't watch an animal then just say that it definitley did that for sport

[barren zephyr]

So how can you ever procure evidence for this?

So how can you?

[molten tulip]

Then why does it matter if a fictional dinosaur kills your dinosaur for "no reason"

[barren zephyr]

Explain to me how your ridiculous requirement could be met

[tawny juniper]

My evidence is that fact that yours is incompetent

[barren zephyr]

Please explain to me how you would procure this evidence?

[molten tulip]

You cant know the psychology of the person playing the dinosaur either

[tawny juniper]

We aren't arging about that

Read up

[barren zephyr]

How would you get the evidence that you're asking for? That an animal consciously chose to kill for sport?

Please, I'm listening, explain

[tawny juniper]

Here is my evidence, In the simplest terms possible. How do you know that animal kill for sport, when you can not see or know what animal think??? what if animal sick? what if animal have something wrong with brain? who know what animal thinking that makes it want to kill when see something?

I have food to eat

So cya

[barren zephyr]

Explain to me how you would get the evidence you're asking for

[manic ibex]

overkilling is a common thing. an animal being sick or having a brain issue is not.

[molten tulip]

Even in the context of this argument metaphysical dodging and "invisible giant" logic doesn't disprove observational evidence

[barren zephyr]

He's literally just trolling, there's no way he's actually being serious.

because this guy doesn't believe KFS is real

refuses to accept any explanation or evidence

wants us to install brain chips into animals and watch them KFS

[molten tulip]

Kfs is a term that's really unapplicable to the wild anyway

Its a term that arose in a pvp game

[barren zephyr]

Kfs is functionally the same thing as surplus killing in the context of what we're talking about though, killing more than is necessary to survive

[molten tulip]

Yeah having practice helps

It could be bonding or something

Ik they have complex societies

[hybrid matrix]

i mean

honstly theres kind of a difference between kfs and surplus killing

[molten tulip]

^

[hybrid matrix]

kfs is killing for sport
killing for sport means that ur just killing for fun, not for survival
surplus killing isnt just killing for fun

[glad dirge]

Its more based on animal population, wolves get few chances to get food so when they go out on a hunt they barely make it through

[hybrid matrix]

🎵 Oh Dolphins just wanna have fu-un 🎵

[glad dirge]

Orcas could find more animals often, so because they aren't constantly starving they have the mind and abilities to play with their food

[left nacelle]

@digital plank You say large animals suffer against good pteras, but I think bad large animals suffer against pteras. If you run into the woods, it's like impossible for a ptera to harass you cause they'll crash into the trees

[hybrid matrix]

yeah

[left nacelle]

Plus pteras don't do much damage

[hybrid matrix]

its ur own fault if u die to a ptera

[left nacelle]

I've never seen a ptera kill anything larger than a dryo lol

[digital plank]

yeah that makes sense

[left nacelle]

Not the response I expected

[hybrid matrix]

actually even as a baby u can fly for a good 6-7 minutes

[left nacelle]

I'm glad this didn't start an argument

Ptera's stamina is fine, you just need to know how to manage it. Ptera is all about stamina management

[hybrid matrix]

yeah
like i said, u can fly for a good 6-7 minutes as a fresh spawn

[glad dirge]

It's the goofy people that fly upwards too much

[left nacelle]

Exactly. Happened to me once too. I didn't realize how low my stam was, fell into water, got the shore and died to a utah

[glad dirge]

I always just stand over them as they are swimming towards shore like AHA bow down to my mercy

[left nacelle]

Oh I always do. If any non-deino comes near me I try to kill them. I like my personal space

[glad dirge]

One time I befriended a group of pteras as a utah and they flooded me with fish

Symbiotic relationship of paying a hitman to keep the carnos and deinos away lol

[hybrid matrix]

so the kid who posted in #general-feedback about the bug was super pissed at me for the reactions i left on his "feedback"

[glad dirge]

Op

[hybrid matrix]

Was i the only one who got this

[glad dirge]

Lmao

One time I got dmed for my packs cannibalism

That was fun

[hybrid matrix]

theres enough salt in that picture to make the dead sea look like a salt shaker

#general-feedback message

somehow its still up

i messaged krow about it but he hasnt gotten back to me yet

[swift dew]

lmao, if someone is going to put something stupid in #general-feedback they better not be a fucking baby when everyone s and laughes at them

[hybrid matrix]

yup

[left nacelle]

I'd still be careful with reaction spam tho. Mods might give you a slap

[glad dirge]

I gave up deino for a while because I was slightly annoyed with cannibalism and the inability to escape

[hybrid matrix]

at this point i just wanna piss him off lmao

[glad dirge]

Yeah

I'm gonna wait until waterways are more developed

It's funny to watch people try and catch small fish tho

Not a lot of people know you gotta bite Le ripples

[swift dew]

@still raptor so much can go wrong with multple server slots, for one you could grow two rexes and when one dies, go and revenge kill with your second one. Or you could have a ptera as a scout and go in with your rex and kill whoever you were scouting with your ptera

[left nacelle]

Plus if you wanna play as another animal, just go to a different server

[hybrid matrix]

aight so krow wasnt getting back to me so i blocked this connor kid

[barren zephyr]

and it's also a very mmo thing.

pot

[tawny juniper]

Where di your brain go you sily little goose

[barren zephyr]

Don't even start, you quite literally said you don't believe any observable science

Nothing you can say will convince me you're not actually mentally deficient

[tawny juniper]

Would you like to tell me how this contributes

I'm not going to waste anymore time arguing but I at least want to know that

[tawny juniper]

How is calling someone retarded going to get your point across

I'm just curious

Ping when your mind has come up with an answer

[barren zephyr]

https://www.sciencelearn.org.nz/resources/8-the-role-of-observation-in-science

[hybrid matrix]

well i mean

uhh

[barren zephyr]

Just some learning material for you

No homework though

[hybrid matrix]

if something was observed then that means that its true

it means that it was seen

it was proven

[swift dew]

not neccesarily

[hybrid matrix]

if its observable then its most likely true

im kiddin

[barren zephyr]

Guys it's genuinely not even worth starting this conversation. The entire crux of his 'argument' was that he doesn't think observable science can prove an animal consciously deciding to do something.

[hybrid matrix]

if u can see it happening then of fucking course its true

[barren zephyr]

He had 0 answer to 'how would you prove it then?'

[tawny juniper]

Well.... can it?

[barren zephyr]

It's not worth the typing

How would you prove it then if not by observation Carter?

Please enlighten me

[hybrid matrix]

YES IT CAN U UNNECESSARILY IGNORANT BADGER

[tawny juniper]

....

[icy lion]

@barren zephyr @hybrid matrix @tawny juniper you 3 take it to dms or end the conversation now

[hybrid matrix]

[tawny juniper]

[vale pawn]

[paper oriole]

are you suggesting like sulfur fields or something?

that shit shouldnt happen at just any water source

[molten tulip]

I dont really see the purpose that would serve

[paper oriole]

same like it would look cool but people just wouldnt go there

[vale pawn]

it should just like a special area to visit, nothing much to do but just chill there for a bit

[wispy cypress]

yeah

something of that sort

[paper oriole]

like i guess there's also no real puspose to volcanoes, they just look cool so why not, but it shouldnt take up a substantial area

[vale pawn]

but in any water source, lol no

[wispy cypress]

humans are the only things able to go there, (only if they wear equipment to avoid suffocation).

[hybrid matrix]

well actually
tall enough animals should be able to just avoid the gas entirely

[paper oriole]

lol imagine running into a sulfur field to food deny, i can already see it

[wispy cypress]

yes

[molten tulip]

Id rather have a scenic pond or lake or something that limits smell or vision but doesn't kill you

[wispy cypress]

oh no

[wispy cypress]

that could work

[molten tulip]

If you make it dangerous no one will go there

[wispy cypress]

i don't mind having the gas non dangerous

[molten tulip]

It could have fun strategy

[wispy cypress]

oh yeah

[molten tulip]

Like running into the fog to lose predators or hiding in the fog to attack others

[wispy cypress]

a foggy area i LOVE THAT IDEA A+

big brain in the fog

[molten tulip]

Yeah it would be much more interesting and also super cool

[wispy cypress]

ik A+ for EXTREMELY good opinion

[vale pawn]

New player joins, new player gets lost, new player gets dehydrated, new player finds water, new player isnt aware they shouldnt drink it, new player drinks it, new player dies

[wispy cypress]

I don't wanna die from water

[vale pawn]

drink it

[wispy cypress]

I won't trust water if I die to it

[vale pawn]

drink it

[wispy cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/nah-no-nope-never-cat-gif-5611484

[potent cape]

@olive sky so glad you brought that up I tried it on my 49” screen last night and instantly swapped back to the 27” for The Isle because it’s to nauseating.

[olive sky]

You got the Samsung one?

[potent cape]

Yup

[olive sky]

She's a beaut huh

[potent cape]

It looks sensational but I just couldn’t do it, I guess I could of played windowed but that defeats the purpose 🤣

[lapis owl]

does anyone know why the Hypsilophodon starts out as an adult?

[swift dew]

because its juvi form wouldn't be able to do anything with the current roster, if it had a juvi now it would be there just to exist for 15 minutes before you can actually play

[lapis owl]

ok yeah i see what you're saying, but in my opinion, having to take time to grow makes things more fun, because its something to look forward to, but playing as the Hypsilophodon feels a bit empty @swift dew

[swift dew]

it will get growth eventually, when it can actually be killed. if you added a juvi hypsi then the only you would get killed by is a juvi dryo, or another hypsi. since your so small you are practically invisible.

it would also be worthless to kill since... well the adult hypsi already gives extremely little food

[lapis owl]

yeah, I guess the main problem is that playing as the Hypsilophodon is kinda boring, all you can do is spit in people's faces, as far as I can see, it would mabye be more fun if the devs added a tree climbing mechanic. @swift dew

[swift dew]

its getting that too, when herra comes with its tree climbing mechanic, honestly i have no idea why they added hypsi this early, especially when 2 of its most important mechanics (growth and climbing) are missing

[lapis owl]

ok gotchya

[zealous violet]

@lapis owl I see what your saying about the Galli, but one of the greatest things about this game is diversity. Having enough diversity gives players of all kinds to perform within this universe thats been created. Most likely, there are going to be people who do just want to run away fast from predators and hang out with their galli friends.
Whatmore, the galli does have a mighty fierce kick like that of the ostrich and cassowary.
No doubt they will be able to handle smaller predators like the utah and juvie carnos.

[paper oriole]

i like growing fast, living fast and dying fast (if i fuck up) and galli fits that style pretty well

[lapis owl]

@zealous violet @paper oriole ok yeah that sounds pretty good

[paper oriole]

i plan on playing ovi and galli a lot because this suits my playstyle when im not in the mood for just starting fights

im sur eim not the only one out there

and yeah diversity in gameplay is good, nothin wrong with being fast enough that a majority of predators wouldn't even bother because some still will

be a challenge, be a free spirit, kick babies in front of their parents until they die, eat leaf

[lapis owl]

yeah and i think one thing that should be prioritized more than diverse dinosaurs is diverse playstyles, because there is no point in taking time to make a different species of dino that has virtually the same playstyle as another

[paper oriole]

yeah and that seems to be a bit of a problem with a few of the animals on the roster to come, but galli doesnt seem to be in a very crowded niche honestly

there are a lot of runners but galli is relatively solo in his tier

[lapis owl]

yeah, i think my main problem might be with the herra, utahraptor, and cerato, since they will probably have a very similar playstyle, also the troodon and dilo

[paper oriole]

herrera, utahraptor and cerato seem pretty different to me

[lapis owl]

also one thing i dont understand is that the sauropod that is to come is the Magyarosaurus, idk why they chose such a small one

you might be right

[paper oriole]

cerato being a brawler and a tank, utah is not a tank he is a pack hunter aimed at killing larger targets while cerato seems to be more of a loner and also adept at scavenging on things utah can't really touch. herrera is arboreal which is very unique from the other two if the devs don't pamper utah too much with his running 'climb' in his concept (which he honestly shouldn't get at all imo)

[lapis owl]

oh i didnt know herra was arboreal

[paper oriole]

mono may pose a problem but there seems to be a collective idea around a unique niche for him

[lapis owl]

the sauropod?

[swift dew]

monolophosaurus, the theropod smaller than utah

[paper oriole]

no it's another carni around utah's size one sec

[swift dew]

you know, the one with the big bump on its forehead

[paper oriole]

the big nose guy

people want him to be like a bloodhound or something

being able to track better than other predators

[swift dew]

and then they are adding rugops, which is basically a mono with carno arms

[paper oriole]

i think rugops could be a small tier scavenger

[swift dew]

oh and also has a weird forehead

[paper oriole]

septic bite, maybe he can skunk spray or throw up on you, messing up your sense of smell and causing you to be easily detectable

he could just be that nasty little shit you don't even want to bother with as a large predator for how little food he'd give

[swift dew]

rugops is only slightly smaller than mono, which is only slightly smaller than utah (weight wise)

[paper oriole]

i see a lot of inconsistent sizing for him when googling, if he'll be that size i think septic bite and stank spray could still work

[left nacelle]

@lapis owl I didn't see anyone mention this to you, but galli will also be eating eggs and stuff. So there's that

[lapis owl]

true, i actually like grass eating rp

not joking

[paper oriole]

if they remodel him they could make him look super grody and disgusting with nasty abilities

galli will actually have incentive to grief babies maybe aside from shits and giggles, hopefully its small juvies along with eggs

obviously not anything he'd have to rip apart though that would look stupid with that flimsy ass beak of his

[left nacelle]

They could make galli rip apart things with its feet talons and then eat

[lapis owl]

if all this dino diversity comes to pass then we will definitely need higher players counts per server, or else it would be hard to find players playing the same dino

[paper oriole]

eh no real reason, he and theri can easily just vacuum up anything they can fit

[glad dirge]

uhh.. I don't wanna get debuffs at 40% hunger for not finding enough food, especially dmg reduction. That just seems too punishing, I could see that happening after you reach zero, as like a prolonged death so you don't just plop dead but instead live malnourished, but that just seems awful to have your stats slowly deplete even when you still have a hunger/thirst level. @cosmic lake

especially at 40%

[paper oriole]

you already heal slower and will likely grow slower while starving, further punishment seems unneeded

[glad dirge]

I really would want to avoid weakened attacks

[paper oriole]

maybe your weight values can be reduced while you are below 40% hunger if anything

decreased weight value, then the other two things that will already likely be in place. reduced attack and hp are unnecessary

[glad dirge]

Id say if you live in a 0 - 40% range for too long you could be on the lightweight side

In growth

[cosmic lake]

It would take a while to reach 40% that the whole point of taking longer to starve besides when's the last time you saw your food below 50% games too easy

[glad dirge]

If you grow with 0% - 40% hunger you could age to a slightly smaller size with a lighter weight

[cosmic lake]

40% is also so its not just a sudden drop to weakness it would be a slow gradual weakness

[glad dirge]

well, once diets come and perks and such. The need to stay at a full hunger will already be there

I guess if you want to make survival much harder that would make sense

[left nacelle]

40% wouldn't be able to be the limit across the board either. it would need to be different for every animal, since it's very easy to stay above 40 for some animals more than others

[glad dirge]

very true,

[cosmic lake]

Like once it hits 40% it'll be like from a Bute of 350 to a Bite of 340 a drop of ten between every couple of ticks

[glad dirge]

what causes a tick, like a drop in every 10% hunger? or just... timed that builds up

[left nacelle]

I just feel like the debuff thing in general is unnecessary. Diets will already make people eat more and punish people for eating the wrong things

[cosmic lake]

You are thinking of it wrong lmao just take the time it takes to fully starve and die from starvation and put that into a full bar so that you really start "dying" at 40% I'm saying make 40% the point when you would usually be dying and taking damage from starvation but instead of damage do a more "realistic" take i

It makes it at least for me more engaging

[left nacelle]

So... you're saying add an extra 40% to the hunger bar and after you get down to that 40% you'd start getting debuffs to simulate dying slowly?

[glad dirge]

I think it would be better to start your idea once you hit 0% hunger, because that would mean you are at an empty stomach and instead of dying immediately, you slowly wither away

[left nacelle]

^^^

And it would be less confusing

[cosmic lake]

Also a tick is pretty much every time the %'s update so now it's actually quick now

Fair

[glad dirge]

That way you wouldnt have to set individual levels for each dino and just have a universal 0%

[cosmic lake]

Every Dino already has set food values for 40% for one Dino might be 500 food while 40% for another might be 100

[left nacelle]

But not all dinos lose hunger at the same rate. One dino might never get to 40% cause it loses hunger slowly and has plentiful food, while another might have rare food and have faster hunger drain

[cosmic lake]

Idk to me health is strictly a combat thing. Keep stuff like food or whatever out of health always seemed better to me

[left nacelle]

Eh, I think health tying into hunger make sense. If you're starving you're naturally gonna be weaker and be able to take less hits. While your debuff idea does make sense, I think we should still have the damage over time effect we have now alongside debuffs

Think of health more like strength rather than bodily damage

[cosmic lake]

Now that I think about it when diets come in its pretty much gonna do what I wanted lmao at least in a similar way right,

[left nacelle]

Kinda sorta, except it's gonna be more about what you eat rather than how much you've eaten. At least from what we know

Or it might be both, not sure

[cosmic lake]

Maybe it's both

Hopefully

I don't even know what I want anymore I just want something

[left nacelle]

Well diets will likely give you something you'll like lol

[barren zephyr]

@finite coral

why nerf stego because of mixpackers?

thats stupid

Try to stop micpacking itself instead of nerfing a playable because you of it

[paper oriole]

is Denio the new Utha

[tepid river]

Stego shouldn't get a nerf because of mix packing, that's an issue that will happen regardless of how powerful it is. If stego got a nerf for that, mix packers would simply move on to the next dinosaur

[zealous violet]

@tepid river Dondi said in one of the latest streams that hes going to try and make it as hard as possible for admins to admin. Not verbatum but im sure the text is floating around somewhere.

[keen vapor]

@lapis owl Galli is going to be an egg stealer which is going to make its gameplay a lot more interresting.

[flat crypt]

maybe that's just dondi being dondi but I sure hope not

last thing this game needs is ruining community servers lmao

man. what a weird thing to do lmao

[zealous violet]

Right! Like, we all know hes sassy, but when someone is sassy non stop you sometimes gotta wonder where the line between serious and not is.
Although, I heard that the ultimate end goal is for there to not have any admins and for the game to be played without rules. Such as there would be no need for rules because everything will work a certain way and blah blah blah.

[flat crypt]

yeahhhhhhhh

that's their vision. good luck on that lol

It genuinely does not make sense to force unofficial servers into being a certain way, which seems to be the direction things are heading

allowing for a wider range of playstyles and experiences can only do good things

and with that comes a need for robust admin tools

Official servers may not need them, but if you want to support your community, give them proper support

[inner hound]

hope to see said tools appear in the future, in unofficial servers, i believe theyre really needed, great suggestion @tepid river

[tepid river]

even if they want to minimize the amount of moderation people are doing, any community still needs to have mods and the tools to do so, and the devs have talked a lot before about giving admins the tools to do so especially on their own servers. No need to be rude

At the very least for moderating things like behavior and chat and such, and i dont think the 'make it as hard as possible to admin' thing is gonna be true, it was probably just him joking around about servers like nycta or nublar, with massive rules lists and such that will eventually become redundant

[zealous violet]

Whos being rude?
I really hope he was joking because diversity is what will help this game along and many, many people were and still are drawn to this game for the social aspect of it so having a way to moderate that would be a huge benefit to each individual server.
To me it almost sounded as if they were trying to make this into just another ordinary game like all the others but with everything they have been doing and with such an open world I can only think that your correct in that he was just joking.

[paper oriole]

Ptera cant logically pick up and fly with other dinos except maybe something compy size

[barren zephyr]

which it shouldn't need to pick things up- unless it's a fish.

[paper oriole]

He's a piscivore/scavenger anyway yeah

[barren zephyr]

yes

[paper oriole]

Just wait on quetz maybe he can steal babies and throw them into rivers for fun idk

[barren zephyr]

@lapis owl they’ll be changing Gali as it will be a egg thief along as a omnivore so it will have the choice to eat meat along with greens

So I personally don’t think Gali will be empty gameplay, but I mean your goal isn’t to fight it’s to escape stuff easily

[glad dirge]

Galli is going to be awesome

[barren zephyr]

If anything oviraptor is the one who will be empty, Gali just runs faster and can probably get eggs better while ovi might be smaller it ain’t gonna outrun much of hen stealing le eggs

[glad dirge]

I agree, ovi needs something cool

[urban flax]

I suggested something cool for Ovi yesterday

[hybrid matrix]

how about the goose effect

[steady lintel]

@barren zephyr u should message an admin privately about that

[barren zephyr]

dms are closed

[hybrid matrix]

actually u should dm Punchpacket

y'kno

when he's online

@barren zephyr

[hybrid matrix]

salty thats actually an interesting thought

[steady lintel]

Idk I feel like the goose effect should be a last resort on the

Imo I feel like somehow some way the devs can add in game interactions or mechanics that will add worth in playing ovi instead of forced visuals on a player which I’d personally find annoying and big animals don’t exactly need it in the first place saying they’d never catch the ovi anyways

[hybrid matrix]

so instead of a bullying mechanic to aid it in nest raiding, ur thinking it should be a way to disorient a predator to allow the ovi to get away?

[steady lintel]

Well when it comes to the big dinos nest raiding I feel like the ovi won’t have a problem as long as it plays it somewhat smart. I think where the ovi lacks hope is just being a weaker and slower Gali tho so I think it should have something that helps with that instead of visual attacks

Like how they want the Utah to run up trees I think the ovi and Austro should have that way more then the Utah it gives ovi another way out to help it in an area it will probably need compared to Utah

I think there should be areas only smaller creatures could access so the ovi has that compared to Gali

And if you really wanted to give it a visual attack aspect I guess it wouldn’t hurt to give it like a dirt fling attack where it just kicks mud or dirt at another’s face

I’d make it like 2 or three seconds long and not as effective as hypsi to not take away anything special from hypsi players and I think that would help it a lot

I also like the crouch run idea that was suggested that would help it

[hybrid matrix]

galli is getting this

i think

[steady lintel]

I mainly put that one in there Bc it seemed you wanted a visual effect. If galli gets it then that’s cool

[barren zephyr]

I know this might be a little out of the ordinary me may not fit but what if ovi had either a camouflage or cloak mechanic

[barren zephyr]

Mono

[urban flax]

I've never heard of cloaking feathers

[swift dew]

@barren zephyr thats the point, ptera is supposed to be pathetic

[barren zephyr]

@swift dew ?? how does that make any sense, other than the ability to fly there is no point in playing it?

or is it literally supposed to do nothing but watch fights and eat fish?

[swift dew]

well you weigh 90ish kg, and your made of delecate wings. what are you going to do, fight a 500 kg utah?

[barren zephyr]

i dont want it to do anything against a 500kg utah, but itd be nice if i could at least defend myself against a baby, it takes like 1-3 hits from literally anything to die as a pter

[swift dew]

well, your made of wings. your not a fighter. you easily have the strongest ability out of literally anything coming to the game, make it strong in combat and you just made an overpowered creature, plus bleed isnt going to stop babies from killing you. it will just give them a mild inconvenience

[barren zephyr]

nah i didnt suggest bleed, specifically because it could be abused and it would be more of a deterrent to get large raptors away from your feeding area, idk if you've played pter but some areas where you are semi safe when landing get raided by raptors (just want something to discourage them)

obviously it isnt meant to killthem

but not suggesting it because then pter could just harass someone to bleed to death

but a tiny bit of damage like literally so tiny it would only affect the tinier dinos that attack

would be nice

[swift dew]

I am surprised i couldn't find this suggestion, a small buff (more-so a balance) for pteranodon, either a little more hp, a little more stamina/less stamina use (specifically when young) or a tiny bit more damage? as it is currently it is more of a flying spectator than anything. when i land i get 1-2 shot by most creatures and my damage is so minuscule that there is very little reason to even attack. I would suggest a small bleed, but i can see how that could be abused by people that harass.

this is quite literally copy and pasted directly from your message.

do you not see the sentence where you say, "I suggest a small bleed" let me put it in italics

[barren zephyr]

"i would" suggest a small bleed, "BUT" i can see how it would be abused by people

[swift dew]

ptera is already invulnerable for more than 50% of its life, if you allow it to fight off juvis, then your just making even more immortal

it doesn't need a buff

[barren zephyr]

i guess

[strange wave]

ptera is already very strong for a flier

as long as you arent getting hit you will survive

you can kill most baby animals in 1 or 2 hits

[barren zephyr]

i removed my suggestion

[strange wave]

@steady lintel @spiral ravine @odd sedge care to explain what i could do better in the suggestion?

[barren zephyr]

@strange wave I like your assessment of the species limits and I agree with most of them, however I'm sure they'll be updated to be more efficient with time.

[steady lintel]

I feel like it just not needed the current groups allow for more friends to play with each other any power increase was met with an increase in counters group

Like stego got a increase so they went ahead and increased carno and Utah

It all adds up the same in the end

[barren zephyr]

Same

[spiral ravine]

group limits is a customizable feature that server admins can adjust themselves in the future

[strange wave]

i decreased all the large animals for a reason

[swift dew]

personally I want group limits to be removed entirely, the game should be built around the idea that, if you can feed your familly you can keep your familly (eventually). however if they have to keep hard group limits, I like your ideas bork

[odd sedge]

I think the group sizes for utah and Tenonto are fine as they are and shouldn't be decreased.

[strange wave]

there is no real reason why hypsi should have the same limit as something more than 6x its size

[spiral ravine]

it's because the game only supports 10 players per group atm

[swift dew]

Except for carno, I feel carno should be limited to 2 if they are keeping hard group limits

[strange wave]

because thats the group limit for dryo and hypi

[odd sedge]

Utah is a pack hunter and should be able to have a decent sized pack

[swift dew]

8 is a decent size

[spiral ravine]

bruh if carno is 2 then what are allo, alberto, rex, spino group gonna be?

1?

[strange wave]

-3

[odd sedge]

Yes. Thats why I didn't like the reduced limit to 6

[spiral ravine]

and private servers will be able to change group limits anyway

[swift dew]

rex, giga, and spino are 2. allo and albert, are both 4. carno is not a social animal and having a small group limit does not affect its niche in any way

at least I dont see it as social

[spiral ravine]

3 carnos is 10 times more capable than 2 carnos

what do you mean social? how do you know carno is not a "social" animal

[swift dew]

capable at killing what? stegos, tenos? I dont want carno fighting those, carno is supposed to be a small game hunter, not a pack hunter

[spiral ravine]

so you want to cripple carno gameplay entirely?

because you don't "want" carno to be good?

[odd sedge]

It's called balance

[steady lintel]

Carno shouldn’t casually hunt stegos like it can

[spiral ravine]

2 carnos isnt balance lmao

[steady lintel]

The point of the game is niches

[swift dew]

im not crippling carno gameplay, your supposed to play by your niche. carnos niche is a small game hunter, not a pack hunter that takes down larger targets, does stego and teno look like small game to you?

[steady lintel]

Not really the point but the style is like you add a creature for the niche

[barren zephyr]

Well guess what, there isn’t much else in game for it to fight besides Utah’s and tenanto which not many people play tenanto anymore they all play stego and carno is the best option rn to deal with them damage wise

[odd sedge]

Yet

[swift dew]

atm I agree, carno should be able to fight tenos. BUT only now. once they add more small things teno should spank carno

[spiral ravine]

so you're saying carno just has to only kill small things, even though its speed makes it one of the most capable group hunters when in numbers?

[odd sedge]

Yes

[spiral ravine]

because it's good at that, so it can only do that

then don't kill dryo ai with raptor

go hunt rexes from the start

[swift dew]

Compy: 20 Homa: 15
Oro: 15 Hypsi: 15
Taco: 13 Velo: 12
Ovi: 10 Troodon: 10
Beipi: 8 Proto: 12
Dryo: 15 Herra: 6
Austro: 10 Minmi: 5
Rugops: 8 Mono: 8
Pachy: 8 Utah: 8
Galli: 10 Ava: 5
Dilo: 6 Megalania: 3
Cera: 3 Dibble: 4
Kentro: 3 Magy: 6
Bary: 5 Teno: 4
Carno: 3 Albert: 4
Allo: 4 Maia: 6
Plateo: 3 Pachyrhino: 4
Theri: 3 Sucho: 3
Para: 5 Acro: 3
Stego: 5 Anky: 2
Trike: 3 Giga: 2
Deino: 4 Rex: 2
Spino: 2 Shant: 3
Cama: 3 Brachi: 3

this is what I want the group limits to be

[spiral ravine]

your whole logic is flawed do you not see that?

[barren zephyr]

If carno is supposed to be a small game hunter it needs a food increase cause dryo and hypsi give it lit little to no foood

[swift dew]

if they have group limits, I prefer the idea that if you can feed 50 rexes then you get a 50 player rex pack. but good lick feeding 50 rexes

[odd sedge]

Why Ovi 3?

[spiral ravine]

because you don't like a dino and don't like how capable it is, your solution is to limit the group size to absolute minimum so you don't feel threatened

[swift dew]

wait, I need to change that.

[barren zephyr]

Carnos die easily to stegos, it’s not the carnos fault if it wins a fight with a stego, stego is more than capable of fending of a pack of carnos.

[steady lintel]

Carno doesn’t have to be limited to only hunting small stuff but it’s built currently to be way to forgiving when hunting bigger stuff with its speed, agility, and ability to tank hits

[odd sedge]

Okay 10 sounds better

[spiral ravine]

way too forgiving? stego almost one shot carno if it's a head shot

and 2 shots if it's body shot

[barren zephyr]

Stego two shots it I think

[steady lintel]

Almost one shots a head shot sounds good to you? Okay

[swift dew]

no absolute monkey, I feel that carno isnt a very social animal. I also dont see how 2 carnos would be less efficeint at hunting small stuff than 1 or 3. i also gave it 3 here just because its small

[spiral ravine]

utah can solo stego and you're here complaining about carno

female rex also kills male rex after they mate, is that social?

realism isn't always good for the game

and I dont know where you got "carno isn't social"

[barren zephyr]

If you had realism carno would be pretty pointless

Carno is weaker damage but has speed and slight tank

[vital coral]

Would like to see 5 or 10 more servers added in the quality assurance beta. All servers are always full. Cheers

[swift dew]

im not talking about realism. Im talking about the game, and how the animal is supposed to play. carno comes off as not social, its not a pack hunter, its a small game hunter. that comes off as not social

[steady lintel]

Where tf is the study on female rexs eating males after mating ?

[spiral ravine]

that's how you feel, carno is one of the most capable group hunters

[barren zephyr]

Problem with that is hypsi and dryos give so little food you would need to eat so many of those

[swift dew]

and it shouldnt be

[spiral ravine]

idk, watched it in a documentary, the whole realism thing is pointless

[odd sedge]

It shouldn't be tho

[swift dew]

galli and pachy are much bigger than dryo. im talking about the future, I already said once they add more small stuff

[spiral ravine]

they nerfed carno stam to 47 seconds

[odd sedge]

Good

[spiral ravine]

bruh 47 seconds for a land hunter

what more do you want lol

[barren zephyr]

Well yeah so for it can’t fight much for food besides Utah’s and stegos so you’ll just have to deal with it till more stuff is added

[odd sedge]

It's the fastest

[spiral ravine]

utah has over twice as much stam as carno

[odd sedge]

It's slower

[spiral ravine]

yeah you know what 47 seconds means? from shallow to central, carno uses 60% of its stam

and what we have is 1/5 of the map

[barren zephyr]

Plus carno got nerfed big time on Stam

[odd sedge]

I fail to see the problem

[swift dew]

thats what im saying... keep it how it is for now, and then nerf it and lower its group size (if they keep group limits) when they add more small stuff. like everything on this list

and everything on this list

[spiral ravine]

that's the point, carno is so easy to dodge, and has so little stamina

[barren zephyr]

Well carno doesn’t do much damage to stego rn anyways

[spiral ravine]

you literally lose it in the forest without even sweating

[barren zephyr]

Most stegos die of bleed not the carno damage itself

[odd sedge]

Yeah no shit, that's what you are supposed to do

[spiral ravine]

then what's the issue

deino needs a buff, stego needs a nerf, utah needs a nerf, carno needs a nerf, some people are just never happy

[odd sedge]

None of that needs to happen

[swift dew]

do you not understand what im saying? im saying carno should get nerfed eventually you honestly just shut out anything that isnt your oppinion and go haha look at these idiots

[barren zephyr]

Utah and carno are fine as they are it’s stego and deino that are too strong and weak

[odd sedge]

Not the deino discussion all over again

[barren zephyr]

Well I think carno is fine rn there just aren’t many options for it to hunt so it does not need to be nerfed just needs more stuff to hunt

If carno was a solitary creature it would die to everything cause 2 Utah’s can kill a carno if they know when to pounce

[spiral ravine]

exactly