#general-feedback-discussion

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barren zephyr
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@lapis owl by the way theri is confirmed to be coming back and is already in the old version

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@tawny juniper

this would be easily abused

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clans would just take up all the rex/utah spots and now solo players are fucked over

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@rocky iris why have you reposted my list? Was there a problem, if so I can fix it.

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Pls let me know, I strive for perfection.

swift dew
barren zephyr
swift dew
lapis owl
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is it me or are raptors the bottom of the food chain

barren zephyr
swift dew
molten tulip
barren zephyr
molten tulip
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They can take down stegos better than any other dino rn so their agility gives pretty clear advantages, and utah packs are incredibly strong

rocky iris
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no no not redoing it, just have the list on the trello as a card so people can find it easily. @barren zephyr that's why I reposted it in #general-feedback cause Piggy showed me the list, apologies if it was like out of the blue and confused you.

robust hare
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is there a way to see player list and growth on qa?

swift dew
barren zephyr
rocky iris
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not a problem!

barren zephyr
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I'm sorry I'm really bad at finding things TI_Derp

swift dew
barren zephyr
oak finch
rocky iris
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or not raptoring good enough

lapis owl
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I was alone competing with 3 adult tentos and 4 adult carnos, so that might have been the problem

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but even with a group, a pack of raptors stand no chance against 4 adult carnos

molten tulip
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Raptors can escape carnos by staying in the forests

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Carnos don't do well in dense foliage and trees

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On the plains though raptors are inferior in every way

barren zephyr
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you can out juke the carnos easily

lapis owl
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@barren zephyr yeah but when there are 4 of them they come in all directions, and you cant juke forever, the only reason I escaped was because I was close to a forest and i was eventually able to jump across a river that they couldn't, but yes i escaped, great, but i didn't get any meal out of it.

barren zephyr
lapis owl
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lol yup

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and i wasn't able to fight the tenontosaurus either, i got kicked and fell down, then narrowly escaped, that was basically my adult raptor gameplay lol, bunch of narrow escapes

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but whatever, still love the game, and im looking forward to trying out the pachycephalosaurus when it comes out

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I also love the new elder system that is coming, the devs are very smart, and they know that making a playthrough last longer, is great for the game imo, having something to work towards and look forward to really makes things more fun

kindred flare
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@acoustic finch you can kind of see the outline of a deino swimming in the water if you look closely. If they arent movie however you wont see them. It has saved my ass a lot

acoustic finch
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Where I was I really don't think there was an outline, but I guess I'll keep an eye out. I know in one specific area where they're like, very visible, but I feel like that's an outlier.

swift dew
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they only time I have seen deinos underwater is when I was flying above as a ptera I could see their outlines. they went down and instantly disappeared

remote torrent
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So does anyone know when update 3 is going to be officially released??

icy lion
remote torrent
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That’s unfortunate..
SadCreeider

hazy arch
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Why cant you join The Isle servers through the steam server window anymore?

wispy venture
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Why are there only like 3 dinos to play on carnivore side?

velvet sundial
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Too many people try to log in

lapis tree
velvet sundial
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The standard version (legacy) has more species

wispy venture
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EVRIMA was released a year ago and it was a flop. Literally garbage, laggy and nothing to do. Dosent seem like they have good developers or they are just chilling

velvet sundial
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There's a server in legacy with hypos and region 2, currently. Otherwise, you have to wait until more content is released

wispy venture
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Ye obviously, but I've waited enough really. Expecting this to be a really good game though. I had hope and patience. But 3 years and the game is worse? xD cmon man

hazy arch
wispy venture
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they could atleast have more dinos at launch or by now

velvet sundial
wispy venture
velvet sundial
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You can try to grow something. The creatures are a lot more advanced than in legacy

wispy venture
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Advanced as such? U mean a raptor can ambush attack?

wispy venture
hazy arch
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im talking abojt the steam server window

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you used to be able to join through that but not anymore

wispy venture
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Ye as I said, they're only removing stuff from this game after 3 years 😛

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horrible

hazy arch
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yup its kinda sad

velvet sundial
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I've also hated how everything changed and how slow the development goes. Trying to enjoy it is a lot more fun. You can even help the development a bit by giving feedback

wispy venture
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Nah, I've tried the feedback stuff. Dosent really do anything

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"Slow", they dont seem to care at all anymore

velvet sundial
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It's not a small deal to develop a game

wispy venture
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No it is not, but look at Valheim

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they're like 2 developers. And they did better than these guys after 3 years

urban flax
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Valheim was in development for around 5 years

wispy venture
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Ye and this game?

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10 years?

urban flax
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Evrima is in development since nearly 2 years

wispy venture
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Ye only Evrima but the game in total

urban flax
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Legacy and evrima are 100% different games

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You can't just add both their developing times

wispy venture
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Ye that dosent change the fact you can have more than 3 dinos after 2 years of development

urban flax
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they made legacy, scrapped it and started again with evrima

wispy venture
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Ye and 3 dinos after 2 years of development

urban flax
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You do have more than 3 dinos

wispy venture
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Amazing

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not as Carnivore

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Its the utah, carno and something else?

velvet sundial
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Legacy was focused on quantity. That's probably why it got a mess and why they needed to start evrima

urban flax
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imo they just should have waited 2 more years before releasing evrima, it wouldn't have changed anything about people like you but at least people who had been waiting for a finished game wouldn't have been disappointed

wispy venture
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I cant even check the dinos since the main menu sucks and you cant join any server

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after 2 years of development. Same trash main menu

urban flax
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Maybe you shouldn't play on the stres test if you don't want bugs ?

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Main menu isn't top-tier priority

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Since people apparently care more about the number of dinos

wispy venture
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So the priority isnt to play and give feedback?

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Good argument

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How am I supposed to give feedback and try a beta if I cant play?

urban flax
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Is "this is trash" good feedback ?

wispy venture
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U must be smart

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No I gave feedback in legacy, not anymore since I cant play

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Literally been trying to join a server for 30min

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As Black has tried

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Even though the server isnt full pop

urban flax
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It is

wispy venture
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hmm, 88/100

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Cant join

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"full" Ye I guess so

urban flax
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Devs didn't expect that more than 1000 players would try to join a 100 slots server at the same time, so the shown counts are a little laggy

wispy venture
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Ahhh there we go, 0 pop server. Now I can see what the dinos are. 2 carnivore and 2 herbivore

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Nice

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2 years of development

urban flax
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2 years of development is nothing dude
At this point it shouldn't even be in alpha

wispy venture
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I've seen their development through the years, and they're made some cool stuff but they never really put in the game

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Dino skeletons, movement, art, design. It looks really good as they're shown

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Yet nothing in game

urban flax
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You mean the concept arts ?

wispy venture
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Nah

urban flax
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Have you ever wondered why they aren't in-game yet ?

wispy venture
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From their streams for example

urban flax
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Some things can "look good" but not be ready

wispy venture
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Ye but this was a few years ago

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Dont tell me it takes 2 years to put a playable dino in game?

velvet sundial
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They had other stuff to do

urban flax
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No playable dino ever took 2 years

velvet sundial
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It will get in the game, we just have to wait

wispy venture
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Exactly, it dosent take 2 years. Yet nothing

urban flax
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The longest one was deinosuchus, with around 2-3 months of development

wispy venture
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Ye and still 4 dinos

urban flax
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They have more important things to do than adding dinos

pale bloom
wispy venture
pale bloom
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Best example is the Deinosuchus

pale bloom
wispy venture
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Ye, they seem to work quite slow

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I checked their streams like everyday when Evrima was about to launch

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What they made and wanted to show us

urban flax
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So if they're not doing streams they're doing nothing ?

pale bloom
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Most of that stuff it's unfinished and not ready to be placed ingame

wispy venture
urban flax
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Isn't that what you're saying ?

wispy venture
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No?

pale bloom
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An example it's when Amarok was working with the Rex AI, that was just play around to improve AI, the Rex only has 2 movement animations

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On Evrima of course

wispy venture
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Ye and they couldnt take their time to implement a star dino into the game?

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Instead they're adding it 4 years later (perhaps)

urban flax
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Implementing rex right now would be a terrible idea and would ruin the gameplay

pale bloom
wispy venture
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They promised so much, yet failed to deliver

pale bloom
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I never seen any promise yet from what I've seen

wispy venture
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Im ok with a game taking long, but dont promise or tease stuff you release 5 years later or not at all

velvet sundial
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Have you seen the roadmap? Many features that are currently missing will be added in high quality. Just wait, even at this low speed the game will be one of the greatest you have ever seen in a few years from now

wispy venture
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EVRIMA launch was a fluke lol, it was so bad

wispy venture
velvet sundial
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If you don't want to see how great it is, that's your choice

wispy venture
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Ofc I want? they tease it all the time

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Like they did 2 years ago. Yet nothing

velvet sundial
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I think you're teasing yourself a bit

wispy venture
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?

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Not sure if I used the correct word, but I think it is tease?

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when they show a bit of information before they are supposed to release it or in the future

velvet sundial
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Just wait, play, help or play something else. Nothing will go faster than it goes

wispy venture
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Ye I have for 2 years. it is not uncommon now

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We'll see if it is better in a year. I'll come back then and look at its great progress

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Perhaps added maximum of 1 dino.

velvet sundial
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I hope we will see new great stuff by then

wispy venture
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Sadly im old by then, no more vacations or holidays. Working and depressed.

tawny copper
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You can have vacations and holidays while being a worker

wispy venture
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Like 4 weeks a year ofc. But not the good old 16 weeks or something

tawny copper
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And then there's always the weekends

velvet sundial
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And the evenings

tawny copper
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Nah I work in the evenings

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But for others sure

wispy venture
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Still not a lot of time to play, if you have to work and educate youself at the same time

velvet sundial
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Or your job is so nice that you forget about games

tawny copper
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Maybe win the lottery and never have to work again

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Ez

sick pivot
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Ya do realize the only reason the released Evrima after a year was because Steam was like “hey you haven’t updated in a year and it’s not full release give us something or it’s being taken down due to inactivity” they wanted to take longer to give us a better more polished release but Steam wouldn’t let them.

tawny copper
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Hell, have a kid and introduce them to The Isle, so that even if you don't see the full release they might

wispy venture
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Ye, my job will prob require a lot of grind

wispy venture
velvet sundial
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I really recommend you search for open hypos. Lots of playables there

wispy venture
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A server?

sick pivot
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You realize it’s still early access right? and they rebuilt the whole game from the ground up that takes a while no matter how large or small the Dev team.

velvet sundial
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Open dinos is in the current legacy version. They have a discord with all information

wispy venture
white plaza
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I really think an awesome piece of the game was character customization. I think that would be a good piece to bring back.

sick pivot
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Was Legacy ever in Beta?

wispy venture
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Or alpha then

velvet sundial
wispy venture
velvet sundial
white plaza
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@velvet sundial thanks! are they going to bring the dinos from the other game too... they seemed very well done and had a decent variety... so little variety rn

wispy venture
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But they havent really updated legacy? Arent they just working on Evrima?

velvet sundial
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Just try, it's not a good idea to talk too much about hacking here

wispy venture
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Ye im downloading a 10gb update. But are they still working on legacy as well?

velvet sundial
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No, the devs aren't

wispy venture
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So why is it good? It should be the same as when I left legacy a few years ago

summer junco
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im stuck anyone know what i need to do

verbal vine
tawny copper
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Yeah nah you're screwed

verbal vine
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but you can screenshot and report place where you struck so nobody will end up like you

summer junco
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damn

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pointless taking pick becuase its night

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now i just wait till i die

oak wadi
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Petra should have abilty to hit other petra in mid air to drop them from air this ability should depend on weight what do you think guys

ruby fern
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@oak wadi Dont think so. Petra is not designed to hunt its own kind in the air

oak wadi
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@ruby fern its not hunt but to defend they should not do damge and they can recover same way as they recover when you hit tree

ruby fern
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@oak wadi But why do you need to defend your self against a petra as petra?

oak wadi
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What if you need to defend fishing or nesting spot

ruby fern
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okay that seems to make sense, but this ability would only mean people use it offensive not defensive

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like hit you mid air while flying over the river or some carnos below

oak wadi
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@ruby fern this will just enable big petra show dominance

dull breach
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they already can sorta its happened to me before where another ptera bumps into me and we both crash

celest furnace
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Wait how long is Utah growth again? 1 hour or something, right?

compact hare
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1,5 hour

celest furnace
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Ty!

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Oops

compact hare
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1 hour ans 30 minutes basically (I guess)

celest furnace
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Wrong chat 😂

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Ty anyways

compact hare
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yw

celest furnace
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🙂

odd sedge
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Ptera can show dominance with what it's got. Three calling and mock biting, no ptera would actually engage in such a fight, because it is not worth it

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It's not like with Utahs, where one bite leads to a great fight because it's nearly impossible to run away and hide after the fight was started.
With a Ptera, it's nearly impossible to fight in the air, so one Ptera leaving the fight ends it. No need to implement something, dominance can be shown with one bite

glad dirge
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@swift dew you should think of some brainstorming ideas for how a tug of war mechanic would work, because if its like a minigame theres already problems punch addressed earlier

unknown.png
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it would be unique for deino to get some sort of weight pulling mechanic but without it being mini game ish I dont know how it would work :/

swift dew
glad dirge
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Ive seen suggestions before about like a moving bar to escape, but thats a minigame and I agree with punch's thing about not having any minigames in open world freeroam survival

cyan flame
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I think Punch is making a problem out of something that isn't a problem really. I see no issue with the "minigame" if it works as a proper mechanic.

barren zephyr
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@barren zephyr while I like your idea, I see downsides as well. Like, animals would not need to go to rivers to get hydrated, which would result in that Deinos wouldn’t have that anything to ambush.

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It would lower the activity around main rivers for sure

odd sedge
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It should be a fight of stamina. And if the dinosaurs stamina runs out, it'll drown and if the deinos runs out, it'll have to let go

cyan flame
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Problem with sheer stamina is that it becomes a on/off? If I have more stamina, you won't get me, if I do not, you'll get me. Why would I ever go near a river or swamp without full stamina if that would keep me safe?

barren zephyr
glad dirge
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what if size has a factor towards stamina drain

odd sedge
glad dirge
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the bigger you are compared to the deino the slower your stam drains, verses the smaller you are the faster your stam drains

cyan flame
barren zephyr
odd sedge
barren zephyr
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or actually they could have some width

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you've seen the Evrima trailer with the sucho fishing, right?

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something around that size or bigger

cyan flame
odd sedge
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The tug of war is more of a draining the stamina enough to drown them in my opinion

oak wadi
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Petra can hide in tree if you fly high and dive bomb into jungle and zig zag way in to jungle sure u can hide

honest vine
trim dock
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from what i can tell crocodiles irl can ambush prey thats more than half their body weight. the only problem is how that sort of tug of war mechanic would work

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it would just be a bit underwhelming for me atleast for a giant deino to be stuck hunting small dinosaurs

lilac bolt
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Tug of war?

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Like if a dino was trying to get away from a deino it could tug and try to get away or?

trim dock
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something around this idk

lilac bolt
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So prey trying to pull away from croc when grab?

trim dock
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trying to resist being pulled in

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yeah it would be hard to get that mechanic to work and stuff

lilac bolt
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I think it could work it would just take a while to make and would be very difficult

trim dock
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yeah

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for crocs irl, drowning a wildebeest can take hours

swift dew
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you should delete this before an admin gets to it, your not supposed to but animals in distress

trim dock
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alright then

hexed basin
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awww i was watching that

trim dock
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just wanted to give an example of how it might look

lilac bolt
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Well i think that you could have the deino grab on with other dino trying to get away but the more the other dino trys to get away it uses more stamina on the deino which also depletes stam and causes bleed to go up little by little to the dino trying to get away but idk i think thats how it could do to you just not sure how you would put something like tug and war into something like the isle

trim dock
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it would take a while to come up with a balanced mechanic for it but it would be very cool

urban flax
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I think the problem with implementing a "QTE" type minigame is that it requires perfect synchronisation between two clients.

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Doable when there are 8 players on the same server, harder when they're 200.

trim dock
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yeah theres a video of a croc trying to ambush a buffalo and it just gets pulled on land since buffalos weigh a lot more than a wildebeest

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would be nice to show it

lilac bolt
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Im not sure if it would work as a mini game type thing or not

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Since its a online game and someone could see you go over there tug with a deino and go kill you easily since your stuck in a animation mini game thing

urban flax
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Unless it's cancelable, like novaraptor's pounce in PC

lilac bolt
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Idk its up to the devs and dondi mostly so the fans dont really have to much of a say in what gets added

velvet sundial
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@hallow oak troubleshooting channels

urban flax
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The reason we're here isn't to impose our view
It is to convince devs our view is the best for the game

lilac bolt
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True

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But thats just a lot to add but wait couldn't they do it like they did the utah pounce?

trim dock
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i dont think this whole tug of war would be added for a while or at all since theres not too many large dinos yet

urban flax
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If they do it, it will probably be the same way they do Utah pounce

lilac bolt
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Which would work i would think

mild socket
urban flax
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But they're not as willing to implement it, because contrary to Utah' pounce, when you're locked in a tug-of-war against deino, you can't do anything else than hope to win the stamina fight

lilac bolt
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Yeah

urban flax
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Sure, when you're a small critter being pounced by a Utah, you can't do anything either but that's like being dragged by a Deino and can't happen to big enough things

glad dirge
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tug of war seems too quick of a death for a long growth animal

urban flax
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You shouldn't be able to interrupt a deino in a tug-of-war actually

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Except with a crowd control

lilac bolt
lilac bolt
urban flax
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No way

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Having invincibility time in a suvival game is bad design

tawny juniper
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That's what they should have done

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If something is in a group you shouldn't attack it

urban flax
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Maybe just releasing the button

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But it also has to be interactive, otherwise it's just 2 minutes during which the attacked player can just watch their dino being dragged into water

lilac bolt
tawny juniper
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The devs didn't add tug of war because deino would get killed if something was in a group when in reality it would have discouraged going for large groups and incouraged keeping and eye for wanderers

opaque iris
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Is there any way to get onto the servers? everytime i try they are always full 😦

tawny juniper
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They should have made in so that it was tug of war depending on weight, And if you were bigger then the weight largest to tug of war it would just count as a bite, and if you were smaller then the weight range you would be instantly grabbed

lilac bolt
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Anytime i play on the QA things almost everyone is a deino so i end up starving half the time

tawny juniper
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I'm waiting for update 3 to come out

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Rather then go into stress test

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Which is basically the same as black friday atm

opaque iris
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so when will the update come out so we can play it on our own servers?

lilac bolt
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What do they need to for update 3?

tawny juniper
icy lion
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we dont know when the update is coming

opaque iris
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oh i see

lilac bolt
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It'll be done when it done i guess

opaque iris
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yeah no problem, could they make more stress test servers?

lilac bolt
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They polish deino animation?

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Or mechanics

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And for update 4 they add the pachy's

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@barren zephyr they eat plant not fruit?

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Oh wait they eat fruit

broken thorn
lilac bolt
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Yeah ok it make more realstic it good

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@opaque iris they didn't want to add more servers since it hard to manage the servers

opaque iris
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oh i see

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just a shame as ive only managed to play it fpor about an hour

velvet sundial
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@barren zephyr @flat crypt Streams will probably be linked to a weather system. Rain will cause them to flow, giving land dinos a huge amount of water sources. This makes exploration style gameplay possible. After some drought, the streams dry out. Land dinos are forced to go to the big rivers then, where deinos are awaiting them for a feast. Ponds can get undrinkable because of drought

lilac bolt
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Did they ever think about making the water level lower when a dino drinks from it?

flat crypt
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Yeah, I imagine that once there's a proper weather system we'll see that water levels change as was discussed. But there's still a need for more lakes and ponds, not necessarily because there isn't enough water, but what water we have isn't spread out enough and there's not enough unique locations

remote cradle
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what yal think about my Pachyrhinosaurus Idea for Evrima

trim dock
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just wish there were some small ponds on the map instead of just rivers and swamps

lilac bolt
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I think they got a good idea with how their gonna make a weather system through the hope. Trailer

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Well right now it just forces you to the swamps and rivers which gives a chance for deinos to attack

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But right now the map is mainly for deinos now

trim dock
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i mean theyll probably add ponds soon

lilac bolt
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Yeah i hope

carmine path
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Can we hold off on the new Dinosaur Feedback, i mean we got 60+ dinos on the roster lets wait and see how that balances out

lilac bolt
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Ok

urban flax
velvet sundial
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Ponds would be great indeed

lilac bolt
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Thats a lot of assets/dinos

carmine path
lilac bolt
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Who that?

carmine path
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😑

lilac bolt
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Oh it dev

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Sorry i haven't been on this server that long

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But thats a lot of different dinos i guess thats why they wanted so much spaces for the dinos

carmine path
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Once Evrima’s Foundation is finished this game is gonna be something to behold

lilac bolt
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Its already a great game and once they've finished evirma it'll hopefully be one of the greatest survival game to date

barren zephyr
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@obsidian depot Makes a really good point to be fair - it shouldn't be safer to drink at a swamp than in the rivers but I've literally never seen a croc there (I only play Utah) and this is why I suppose

unknown.png
lilac bolt
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True

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Your probably more likely to drown than get eaten by a deino at the swamp

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And its easy for stegos to grow there since they can go drink water without care and not have to worry about food since theres those flowers plants which the stegos can eat

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Or really any herbivore

manic flint
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Baby Stegs can be drowned by deinos tho

lilac bolt
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But there are no deinos at the swamp so your more likely to drown from falling in the water and not being able to get back up

manic flint
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And when I went to the swamp it was infested with them

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I went as a Utah once
Instantly murdered lol

lilac bolt
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Hm never happened to me i just fell in the water and drowned from not being able to get back up

manic flint
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That almost happened to me once but for some reason the only way out was where there were bushes

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They really need to decrease the slope tho

lilac bolt
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The slopes are kind of messed up right now so it'll be a little bit until its fixed

manic flint
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Damn

swift dew
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@lavish quail dont ask when things are going to come, nobody is going to tell you

inner hound
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yessss gimme flowers despair @drifting radish

drifting radish
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IKRRRR IM TRYIN GIRL IM TRYIN

lapis owl
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are they ever gonna get rid of the hidden cliffs? they add nothing to the game, all they do is occasionally waste hours of waiting for a dino to grow

swift dew
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@mild walrus yeah, and what happens when you get attacked during the 15 seconds, sure you can get out of it but they already got 2-3 bites on you and you might be dead depending on what you are

urban flax
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Being interrupted mid-walk by an automatic cinematic ? No thanks

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If you wanna enjoy the beauty of the map just play ptera

swift dew
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especially in a harcore surival game where you loose every ounce of progress when you die, no thank you

mild walrus
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fair enough

velvet sundial
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@mild walrus there should be an option to turn it off tho, because not everyone wants to see an intro every time. Even clicking it away may get ignoring

barren zephyr
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Is there a map for Evrima?

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since the compass doesnt work im so lost

abstract forge
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YO my character screen is greyed out in the beta how do i fix this?

icy lion
icy lion
abstract forge
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ok ty

barren zephyr
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didnt know that ty

lapis owl
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how do you lower your textures in graphics? Every time i do it, it just immediately resets back to epic.

icy lion
lapis owl
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@icy lion I dont think it worked, i set the texture quality to 0 and i get back on and it says epic, i click low hit apply, then check settings again and its right back to epic

icy lion
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do you have and nvidia or amd card? sometimes the graphics settings in the control panels there will take over

lapis owl
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i think i have amd

hybrid matrix
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@upper summit i kinda like that first perk idea but the second one is just gonna encourage killing people

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shouldn't encourage people to go on mass murdering sprees

upper summit
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sure but say ur a carno hunting down a utah to regain some hp

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that is not worth it

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depending on how much hp u have

hybrid matrix
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u shouldnt be forced to kill people so that you can heal

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the only time you should be forced to kill people is if you're a starving carnivore

upper summit
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u shouldn't and u won't have to, it supposed to bring your health back up if you decide to hunt something

hybrid matrix
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its still encouraging ppl to go on killing sprees

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not encouraging

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FORCING

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also u shuoldnt be hunting anything if ur low on health

upper summit
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its not supposed to encourage u to kos

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its supposed to regain ur health quicker from the fight u just won

hybrid matrix
upper summit
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i never said u cant just normally heal

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u can still normally heal

hybrid matrix
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u implied that u couldnt

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but either way

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its still a bad design

upper summit
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no u still can

hybrid matrix
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u never said that u could in ur suggestion
i assumed thats wut u meant
but either way its bad

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1 sec my cat wont get off my desk

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ok im back

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anyway
other ppl will also assume the same
so A. clarify this in ur suggestion

upper summit
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I edited it just now

hybrid matrix
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and B. nobody will heal normally bc thats so slow
ppl will go on murdering sprees bc they want to heal faster

upper summit
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I mean ur gonna have to kill something ur size or bigger to effectively heal faster than normally healing

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which puts urself at risk

paper oriole
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If killing enemies at and above your weight/tier sped up heal regen rather than being a flat heal after the fight it may be better balanced

upper summit
hybrid matrix
upper summit
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like if it pounces u and u lose 10% its not worth it

hybrid matrix
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YOU said that u should only get a decent amount of health back from killing things that are equal to/above ur own weight

upper summit
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I think it should, it rewards u for having the patience and time and the deino learns to stay in the water

hybrid matrix
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the deino learns to stay in the water anyway

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and hang on

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ur saying that a baby utah, (a.k.a a painful pebble monster) should provide an actual percentage of health to a fully grown deinosuchus (a.k.a an SUV sized alligator)

upper summit
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It could use some adjustments and balancing but I think the original idea is pretty good

paper oriole
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Killing an enemy could reward you with a HoT worth 30% of the target's own health (just an example percentage) which would naturally make killing tiny shit pretty useless

hybrid matrix
upper summit
paper oriole
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Would honestly be a pretty cool ability especially for glass cannons or defensive players

hybrid matrix
# upper summit

u said this about a baby utah giving a measurable amount of pixels of health to a fully grown deino

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upper summit
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I mean

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if ur killing a deino as a baby utah

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siphon is pointless

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cause ur 1 shot anyway

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and deino gets nothing from u

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assuming it has siphon

hybrid matrix
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wait

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shit

upper summit
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like maybe .5% from killing freshpawns as deino

hybrid matrix
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hang on

hybrid matrix
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when u responded with this u were talking about the utah getting health from the deino

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upper summit
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oh right

hybrid matrix
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which i then proceeded to interpret as the deino should get health from the utah

upper summit
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heres the thing

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u can tell a baby utah to kill a deino and get hp from it

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bc siphon hp is divided among the group

hybrid matrix
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well wait

upper summit
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regardless if they actually fight or not, which is one of it's downsides

hybrid matrix
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now ur just encouraging utahs to kill deinos

upper summit
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they just have to be in the group

hybrid matrix
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i mean i get the reasoning

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and i agree that u should get more health from larger animals, but then ur just encouraging ppl to fight things that are bigger than them (including things they shouldnt be fighting)

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and i mean either way rn deino v utah is like utah v rex, but this is just encouraging that

upper summit
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eh

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i mean thats assuming if u even win

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if u fight a rex as a utah and u lose

hybrid matrix
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u shouldnt be fighting a rex in the first place

upper summit
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then that sucks cause no one gains anything

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right

hybrid matrix
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i think that the amount of health gained should depend on ur diet

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so u would gain the most health if u killed ur favorite food

upper summit
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well i dont want it to be more complicated

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i dont mind what happens with it as long as its

hybrid matrix
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tying in the amount of health gained with diets would balance it more than getting more health from equal weight and above

upper summit
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"I kill something as big or bigger than me and I get alot of hp, if im in a group then that HP goes to them too but it divides meaning I get a bit less myself"

hybrid matrix
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but ur still encouraging things to hunt dinos bigger than themselves even if theyre not supposed to be doing that

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take carno as an example

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its a small game hunter

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yet ur idea would encourage carnos to hunt larger dinos

tawny juniper
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You should only get personal siphon if you kill something your size or bigger

upper summit
tawny juniper
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Why should your friend who is sitting in a bush half health get hp back if you killed something by yourself

hybrid matrix
tawny juniper
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I frogot about that part

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forgot*

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Maybe siphon for hunting an ideal prey item?

hybrid matrix
tawny juniper
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For example alo hunting stego

hybrid matrix
tawny juniper
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Maybe stego could get siphon if they kill their ideal hunter?

hybrid matrix
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herbivores should NOT have a perk like siphon

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herbivores SHOULD NEVER have a perk like siphon

upper summit
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yeah nah

tawny juniper
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Fair enough

hybrid matrix
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herbivores SHOULD NEVER be actively encouraged to hunt down and kill other dinos

upper summit
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battle hardening should be more for herbivores and siphon should be more for carnivores

tawny juniper
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I wonder how a combat logging sytem would work

hybrid matrix
tawny juniper
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Like you get hit and if you log out in the next five minutes your dino loses like 30% of growth

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Would maybe stop people from escaping momentarily wallowing and logging

hybrid matrix
upper summit
tawny juniper
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Maybe that's not even an issue I haven't played in a bit

hybrid matrix
hybrid matrix
upper summit
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well even if you dont agree with siphon that's just one of the perk ideas i had, i think battle hardening is pretty great

hybrid matrix
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i dont agree with wut ur presenting siphon as
i like the idea, just not exactly how ur saying it

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also brb

tawny juniper
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Also 10% is a lot of health

upper summit
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it's pretty easy to lose 10% health from a utah as a carno to be fair

tawny juniper
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Like if you have something tanky and they get 10% of their health back that's an extra 10% you have to whittle down

upper summit
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also an uncancellabe call

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meaning u can go in for a bite

tawny juniper
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I feel the concept is good but the way that strange solutions are introduced to combat problems isn't really making it better

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What do you mean go in for a bite

upper summit
tawny juniper
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If you kill something and get the siphon why do you need go in for a bite

upper summit
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I'm saying

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if ur 2 utahs and ur friend dies to a carno that has siphon

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it has an uncancellable call so u can go in for a bite

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and then 10 seconds before it gets the HP

tawny juniper
#

I mean I feel like at this point the way it works is just weird

upper summit
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just my way of balancing it I guess

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the carno can just run away until it gets the health but it still reveals its pos from the call

rocky iris
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@remote cradle pachyrhinosaurus is already confirmed

tawny juniper
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You kill a utah and all the sudden you just make a random broadcast and have to wait 10 seconds for your health, Not to mention utah is not nearly as large or any larger then carno

upper summit
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it wont be a broadcast

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more like a mix of 1 and 3

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but shorter than 1

tawny juniper
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Well why would anyone kill something if it forces you to reveal your positon

upper summit
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hp boost

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if u wanna fight a stego as a carno and ur good enough to do it

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its rewarding if u win

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bc any health lost from the fight is regained

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even if u reveal ur pos

tawny juniper
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Well yeah but even if you aren't going for an hp boost you still reveal your position just so you can eat

upper summit
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u have the health to stand up for urself

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yeah

hybrid matrix
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back

upper summit
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i try to have pros and cons for each perk

tawny juniper
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Like if you're full health and you kill a stego you just reveal your position?

upper summit
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yes

hybrid matrix
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its better if u get more health from killing animals in ur diet

tawny juniper
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Your balancing this focused only on if you're in the situation of having not full health and are in a fight that's more then a 1 on 1

hybrid matrix
tawny juniper
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^ not to mention that

upper summit
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oh right

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self defence

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bro u get hp if u kill ur attacker lmao

hybrid matrix
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but u reveal ur position

upper summit
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so?

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if its not ur intent to go for it

tawny juniper
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So you don't want to do that

upper summit
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and if u dont need food

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just run away after u call

tawny juniper
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That isn't a solution

upper summit
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yeah it is

hybrid matrix
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so a deino can run away?

upper summit
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i mean it can swim

tawny juniper
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You shouldn't put your life in danger again just because you defended yourself

hybrid matrix
# upper summit i mean it can swim

im saying if a deino is caught off guard while its not near water (lets say theres a dead body that isnt very close to the water) and it gets attacked its screwed?

upper summit
hybrid matrix
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also

tawny juniper
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These solutions don't make the perk better

hybrid matrix
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ur saying that if ur a deino and u get caught off guard on land then the only solution is to get away in the slowest possible fashion?

tawny juniper
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If you have to save your own life you end up risking it more?

upper summit
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I see what you're saying

tawny juniper
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For example you get attacked by a bunch of utahs and win then you are possibly forced to fight more things in the area because you call unintentionally?

upper summit
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what are some ways you can make the perk more viable

hybrid matrix
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this idea started out needing some small adjustments but now you've defenestrated any good part of ur original idea

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defenestrated means "to throw from a window"

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english is fucked up

tawny juniper
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It puts you in more danger then it saves you from

remote cradle
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Go vote on my Pachyrhinosaurus idea ;D

upper summit
#

ight so if u could remake siphon what would u do and how would it work

tawny juniper
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I would rather be 50% health and know that nothing is beaming towards me due to a call, then be 60% hp and have the fear of something coming for me

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You get siphon when killing your ideal prey

paper oriole
#

The pachy idea is fine as long as it has good fracture damage or else it is peepeepoopoo

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Pachy would be screwed with those stats and no fracture imo

remote cradle
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Like a crippling

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Chance

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Bone snapping

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Well its a herding dinosau

icy lion
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fracture likey wont be rng

paper oriole
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Never balance something around being in a group

icy lion
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at least i hope it isnt

remote cradle
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Hmm

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True

upper summit
remote cradle
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But if they wanna add on to something that’d be fine too

upper summit
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idk if i like the pachy idea

remote cradle
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After all they do nerf / buff everything

tawny juniper
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ex. Utah gets siphon from tenno

paper oriole
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If you balance something's viability on being in a group it actually reduces the chance it will find a group to begin with plus it screws solo players

hybrid matrix
upper summit
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I agree with every one of them but the last one

tawny juniper
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👌

remote cradle
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I changed it to 5,200 hp cus i have a good point

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It can still easily get ko’d solo

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But it will have some what of a chance

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Cus u*

paper oriole
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It shouldnt have below a 50% chance of survival against things it cant run from

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That is poor balance

hybrid matrix
remote cradle
upper summit
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right but last night i killed 2 tenos as 1 utah

remote cradle
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its not that weak as u think

upper summit
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if the the teno body guarded

remote cradle
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And its faster than diablo

upper summit
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i wouldnt get anything

hybrid matrix
paper oriole
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Faster than legacy diablo

upper summit
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true

hybrid matrix
remote cradle
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i did research on pachy before I actually tried making it into one

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for the game

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Cant be as strong as trike lmao

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Huge size dif

paper oriole
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A fair chunk of dinos are getting speed buffs from legacy

hybrid matrix
kindred flare
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@crude gyro i dont think water does anything. you can jump off a mountain and land in water unharmed, but if the water is too shallow, thats when you take the damage from the ground you hit underneath

upper summit
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I'll make another suggestion all about the comfort of ur dino

remote cradle
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They can always nerf the stats lol

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They test things themselves

hybrid matrix
remote cradle
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or buff

upper summit
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for example

hybrid matrix
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u mean a stress system?

upper summit
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if ur around too many of ur species (overpacking) u will randomly bite them

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given like

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u been around them for 20 mins

hybrid matrix
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honestly there are some good ways to implement a stress system
this isnt one them

upper summit
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if ur around too many dead bodies as a herbivore u will make animations that leave u vulnerable to attacks

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idk i just dont like overpacking and body guarding

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especially because right now

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there is no reason to not do it

hybrid matrix
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i came up with a way for a stress sytem to work well and now i cant remember it

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i think it involved ur dino's heart rate or smthn

paper oriole
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The overpacking one wont work it can easily be avoided

crude gyro
remote cradle
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Not talking ab an open stress test for 1 dino lol

upper summit
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I was thinking about making a suggestion for rex

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and giving it a new mechanic

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alongside its pin-down

hybrid matrix
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also the best way to combat overpacking is by adding a vibrant pink scent trail for over-packers that can be smelled from far away

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that way u can avoid them

kindred flare
upper summit
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what do u think about making rex's irl vocal sounds a fighting mechanic

hybrid matrix
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how so

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like

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....

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just
wut is it

upper summit
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when rex does the low pitched sound it made irl

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it would act like a call

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anything allo sized and smaller

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will make its screen slightly blurry

paper oriole
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lmao no

upper summit
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and play an animation where it shakes its head

hybrid matrix
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ok yeah ima stop u right there

paper oriole
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This should be reserved for a defensive animal

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Like para with his loud ass honk horn

upper summit
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realistically it makes sense

paper oriole
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Not really

upper summit
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you'd feel something from a rex call

paper oriole
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Feeling something that makes you do an involuntary animation for ??? reason?

upper summit
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it wont stun u or anything but it will force u to trot for like 5 seconds

paper oriole
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Yikes

hybrid matrix
upper summit
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dude I just dont want bush hiding ambush rex anymore

paper oriole
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So all the rex has to do is call and youre fucked plus its fracture and speculative grapple

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Sounds fun

upper summit
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forgot to say

hybrid matrix
upper summit
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it depends how close u are to it

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if ur feet away from it

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its gonna fuck u up

hybrid matrix
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that doesnt make it any better

paper oriole
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No thanks

upper summit
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if ur across a field it will do little to nothing

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also

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long ass cooldown

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it will only be able to do it every 20min

hybrid matrix
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wait

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ur idea is that rex can only call once every 20 minutes?

icy lion
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i dont like the idea of completely "free" abilities

hybrid matrix
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i mean

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ig thats one way to discourage ppl from playing rex

upper summit
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no no

icy lion
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press a button and cc everything in a radius? with no other skill involved?

upper summit
hybrid matrix
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only the very dedicated rex players will still play it even if it means they can only call once every 20 minutes

paper oriole
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Rex will have fracture to stop victims from running away it doesnt need an AOE cc

upper summit
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how are u gonna fracture when 80% of the roster can outrun u

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and what can't outrun u

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will fuck u up

paper oriole
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By ambushing it

hybrid matrix
paper oriole
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Get it by surprise

hybrid matrix
#

REX IS AN AMBUSH HUNTER

upper summit
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right but

paper geyser
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literally rex's entire niche, ambushing

upper summit
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i know

icy lion
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and we dont know what rex's speed will be either

upper summit
#

but if it isnt going to be faster than legacy

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or same speed anyway

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even if u do hear rex

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or see it coming

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u can still gtfo

paper oriole
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Dont base on legacy stats

icy lion
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that means it failed the ambush and likely the hunt

upper summit
#

legacy is what made the isle

icy lion
#

it happens

hybrid matrix
paper oriole
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Also most of what rex is supposed to be hunting arent the super speedy dinos

upper summit
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true

hybrid matrix
#

this game basically runs by the rule "reward the smart, punish the dumb"A.K.A survival of the fittest
if the rex wasnt sneaky enough then boo hoo, that just means u get to live a little longer

paper oriole
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So if you fail to ambush a galli then boo on you

upper summit
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eh we'll see

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it isn't coming for a good year or 2

kindred flare
#

rex can run quite fast for a size for a very short time, indicating that its an ambush hunter, with the diets forcing herbs around the map, it could wait around there for the opportunity

upper summit
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they dont really go for realism

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although that may be true

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they might just make it faster than it should be with shit stam

tawny juniper
#

They try and make the game realistic within the bounds of balanced and fun

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And jp ^

oak finch
#

sort of

upper summit
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lol like carnos stam rn

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its so shit

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which isnt realistic

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like a carnos stam irl wouldnt be bad with a fast regain

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it would've had good stam with a slow ass regain

tawny juniper
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Isn't carno super fast though?

hybrid matrix
#

so im suggesting a stress system that would affect your heart rate
basically if you get too stressed u die (but this would be after a while and only if there are enough stressful things around u to cause ur heart to stop doing full pumps and instead start spazzing)
and once venom is added if ur too relaxed u die bc ur heart fuckin stopped bc u got high off of a dilo bite u moron
DONT GET HIGH FROM DILO BITES

upper summit
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not talking about game balance

tawny juniper
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you are but okay.

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You're saying it should have slow stamina regen

upper summit
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never said that

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said it would've had slow stamina regen

paper oriole
#

Isnt the point of carni to rely on hunting and be a challenge?

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Only small animals should be able to satiate any hunger on bugs

swift dew
silver zephyr
paper oriole
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Yeah carnis dont need a grazing equivalent lol imagine an allo eating worms out of a tree hell no

hybrid matrix
#

i mean

icy lion
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i think it should definitely be species specific

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as opposed to size/juvi based

hybrid matrix
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irl carnivores sometimes eat a leaf or two just because there's nothing else

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but too much plant food and u puke

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speaking of which

paper oriole
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If you cant hunt anything as a large predator with all the ai that will be around plus players tough nubs, small animals can eat bugs thats fine

hybrid matrix
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i think that all herbis and all carnis should be able to eat leaves/meat, but puke if they eat more than 1 piece of the opposite diet

paper oriole
#

Dont predators typically only snack on leaves/grass when they are sick?

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Aside from fruits, which could be supplemental to anyone i suppose

tawny juniper
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Not anyone

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But lots of diversity

hybrid matrix
#

no questions about my suggestion?

swift dew
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@hybrid matrix I have no idea what you said but im intrigued, can you explain?

frail sigil
#

@drowsy cradle Please use the troubleshooting channels for game assistance

obsidian depot
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so is evirma chat general, species and/or local?

still raptor
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local

obsidian depot
#

nice thanks

hybrid matrix
swift dew
hybrid matrix
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Yeah i didn't have enough space to clarify

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U wouldnt die from a fast heart beat unless u saw something so terrifying that ur heart just spammed

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Spasmed*

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Also sorry if i type slow, I'm on my phone

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And u wouldn't immediately die from venom slowing ur heart, it would be a warning that you should stop getting high off of dilos

swift dew
#

so your a stego just strolling and you see this thing (idk if this is even planned anymore, it probably isnt) you might just drop dead because you got scared?

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clever urchin
#

I got a question about servers on Evrima, I posted it on the wrong section on discord lol

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Sooo... Can EU based players join US servers? Kind of curious since I cant find a server that I play on Legacy. They have an Evrima server but for some reason its not on my server list

clever urchin
swift dew
clever urchin
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I even changed my max ping to 5000 on ingame steam settings

swift dew
clever urchin
#

Oh okay, well thanks for trying to help ^_^

hybrid matrix
#

Also personally I would drop dead if I saw that

swift dew
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idk if I like that. I could see it being a good human system, especially when agaist things like the tribals/cannibals (not like your going to survive very long against them anyway)

hybrid matrix
#

I mean u should be running away, if u don't then u'll die anyway bc it'll kill you

swift dew
hybrid matrix
#

Not killing the hyperendocrin colossus with a shotgun

swift dew
hybrid matrix
#

Oh yeah I meant the hyper colossus

swift dew
#

anyway, thanks for the clarification, im not sure how much I like it but its an interesting idea.

hybrid matrix
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U shouldn't have a heart attack from a tribal

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Glad I could help

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When my slowmode is gone I'll clarify my suggestion

swift dew
hybrid matrix
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Ima go watch YouTube videos

strange wave
#

@dreamy wharf i like all of it, some questions about the territory system, or, rather concerns, why have the animal randomly broadcast? shouldnt scent be more than enough if its apparent, i would hate to loose my ambush spot as a rex because i crept into the territory of another apex, and, would these things like food satiation and the territory challenge scent be visible to other animals?

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and if you log out, would your territory stay on the map, or disappear? would the challenge be a thing if the defending apex isnt in the server

dreamy wharf
# strange wave <@!127973180617785344> i like all of it, some questions about the territory syst...

The visible outline should be a particularly clear indicator of walking inside of a territory, plus, you have a five second leniency. The scope and size of maximized territories can be attributed to a region. It's there to indicate the general direction of where your aggressor is ontop of announcing that you're in somethings' territory. The idea is to have apexes steering AWAY from eachother.

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If you log, it just goes away.

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So that way something else can just take it.

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And if you log in where the territory is, you'll broadcast but you'll be able to get away since they just know the relative direction you're in.

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If you're worried about spawning ontop of an apex in their territory, they're fluid

strange wave
#

still dont get the broadcast thing

dreamy wharf
#

So that means if you do spawn in a apexes' territory and you do broadcast, you can leave if you hustle. You'll just be in very much so super danger.

strange wave
#

and would the territory be like, taking a few chunks out of the map surrounding the nest/den or would it just be a circle around the apexes territory

dreamy wharf
#

Later on I'm thinking of specifying particular apexes having particular territory shapes, but, I feel like just having a basic circle is fine especially for now.

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Since, say you're a deino, you can't have like a weird cone for a territory.

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'Cause that'd kinda fuck you over.

strange wave
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imo, taking map chunks would be better

dreamy wharf
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Define chunks.

strange wave
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do you have a map of spiro i can use to provide an example?

dreamy wharf
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Not on me, hold on.

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Would this work?

strange wave
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yup

dreamy wharf
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If you mean pre-set chunks of the map, that wouldn't really be ideal imo. Like, if you have to go to a particular area to set up a territory, people would automatically know where apexes are regardless if there's an active territory there or not.

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But if you have territories that are established as basic radius' that can be placed down practically wherever, apexes aren't just collectively fucked.

mild socket
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Zann bro I love the apex thingy, but I think you should tweak the territory mechanic and attach it to Nesting. The buffs are great and instead of plopping down a marker, now you can have a mate and plop down a nest begin the center of your territory.

dreamy wharf
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That's a really good point.

mental sleet
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Finally, someone who uses black blackground and white letters.

dreamy wharf
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Would a good compromise just have the central marker be a nest? That an individual of either gender can place down?

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Instead of like some weird den thing?

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'Cause I think I have a nest example labelled in there?

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I really wanted to have the actual background be not blinding white, but, sadly I can only just do the page background.

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One of the bigger reasons I hate docs is that they're just so hard to read.

strange wave
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alright so, lets say each chunk of the map has a specific value based on what prey items are there and how frequent player activity is, the red territory would have lower value on most of its larger chunks of the map but a larger land area, each chunk would either have higher value or higher land area to control, water would be hard border points, and borders would be predetermined, so certain spots would be contested areas for control from certain predators, say spinos would really want control over center while a rex may want the area around the radio tower, the den point would determine what chunks are in your territory, knowing where to place a den more effectively would help define a more experience apex player. hope this makes sense

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dreamy wharf
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I'm alittle lost. It's just my smooth brain not functioning, hold on.

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Oh.

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So you're saying that the map is divided by individual segments.

strange wave
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rather than having a giant mess of circles spread around the map overlapping on eachothers territory, and it would also provide water as a neutral point for things to travel across

dreamy wharf
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Each of those segments have differing values.

strange wave
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yes

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so say, shant diet item is in the far north where the spire was, red territory is gigas who really want to eat shants, it would be the smallest chunk in the giga land, while they also took a few larger areas that provide a more stable base of control rather than plopping the den smack dab in the middle of the territory they really wanted

mild socket
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Yeah the nest would have a kind of marker or logo on where its at, while in this artificial territory the animal in particular would get a buff, and the territory buffs will depend on how many eggs and the durability and stability of the nest and so on '

dreamy wharf
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I think I still prefer having a more dynamic and less limited territory thing. It my just be my own personal opinion, but, I don't really like the idea of having to find a specific chunk of the map that's probably just infinitely better than others.

I'd much rather have it to where if a player notices a particular species going to a area or it has high traffic, they can plonk down their nest there. It's just alittle more freedom.

dense pebble
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i loved nesting in the woods in a random location, it was spooky and should be haha

nova notch
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if anyone who is capable is reading this, can you please restart US #1 server, it is running very poorly

strange wave
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each area would have its own value to differing species depending on diet and movement of players, say on one server a herd of trikes makes their preferred range around where the shant food is normally, on another server shants are there, that territory would have more value to rexes on the trike server than on the shant server, but have little value if say, dryos moved into the area

zinc rivet
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@strange wave why ❌?

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if they're gonna do a tug of war I can't think of any better way they'd do it

strange wave
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dont like the idea of a tug of war mechanic thats hard countered by groups

zinc rivet
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did u miss the part where I said u can release RMB at any moment to let go

strange wave
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thats the thing

zinc rivet
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??

strange wave
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if it locks you in an animation with the animal but you need to let go to not get murdered by their group

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people will always be travelling in a group because the deino just wont be able to grab them

zinc rivet
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to be fair
if you lunge into a group of animals that can threaten you
that is a risk you choose to take

strange wave
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another thing that puts solos at an extreme disadvantage

zinc rivet
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smaller shit like Tenos or young Stegos could still get instadragged

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this is just for the BIGGUNS

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people already play Stego because it can't grab them at all

strange wave
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but they can be stunned

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allowing for bites

mental sleet
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Hm, not sure on the overall idea, but there's something I like in there. Zann.

barren zephyr
zinc rivet
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lunging into a group of animals that can fight is gonna be a risk regardless

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my idea is basically no more a commitment and risk than Utah pounce

velvet sundial
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@barren zephyr nice merc ideas. Making them like tourists/foresters instead of mass killers will leave enough room for the animals to live their lives.

Where can I find the channel description? Are the devs taking notes of these feedback channels?

swift dew
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velvet sundial
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@swift dew yes, but that will keep things stable so it's not bad in my opinion. I think that servers without humans should be considered though, given the huge impact they will have. Things should be stable because of nature there

dreamy wharf
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Late sorry, I was out driving.

From my understanding is that you're proposing specific segmented portions of the map that are claimable. Each with a differing hunger drain multiplier depending on the specific species currently residing there.

I have 3 main problems with this.
One, is that because the drain multipliers are effected by what is currently within those territories, you can easily abuse them by having a group of something else fuck with the multipliers just by being there. It isn't fun that your shant highway has lower values because a galli flock showed up.
Two, is that if you tie individual drain multipliers based on particular species living within that segment, I don't like the idea of having to have a spreadsheet open to discern the individual things that affect multipliers. Plus, you then have to make some weird calculations if there's more species there.
Three, is that how do you discern what is currently affecting your satiation multiplier? Do you have a menu that allows you to see what currently is living in your area or do you just kinda guess and then suffer because something else is there but hidden? I feel as if it's just overly complicated.

I'd much rather have it to where it's simple. You plonk down nest, you maintain your territory by pretending to be an actual dinosaur, and you gain satiation multiplier based solely on how large/well maintained your territory is (that could be explained in a single tip). I will try to explore different ways to go about this, but, I feel as if this is the best way to handle it now.

dreamy wharf
mental sleet
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Well, I like the concept of small-built structures which signify territory, but that's about it.

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The idea is either incredibly balanced, or unbelievably railroady/forceful.

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or both, really.

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In essence, if the idea was to be implemented, it would have to be good enough to where apexes would do it, but not too good to where it's basically forced on them.

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And the issue with that is that you'd normally balance for apexes without the territory, which would then make the apexes with territory basically insane, but if you balance apexes assuming that they use the territory, anyone who doesn't is forked.

dreamy wharf
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Yeah, the idea is that you're encouraged to but not forced. Apexes in general have their satiation benefits outside of territories.

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For instance herbiverous apexes have a consistency bonus

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Carnivores have a weight threshold bonus.

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So, they can do whatever they're pleased to do, but, they're encouraged to do certain things.

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Not sure why you'd balance something around if they choose to stay with a particular area, but, that's something else I feel entirely.

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Besides, I think I made mention that apexes shouldn't be having default strain-like hunger values.

mental sleet
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Idk why either, but it's a possibility with any idea based on how reliant the devs would make it.

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I also do not mind longer hunger times, but for reasons outside of the doc.

dreamy wharf
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That'd be really silly tbh. On the balancing things around staying in a particular spot I mean. Imagine nesting and you're just nerfed because you're sitting still. KEK

slim tundra
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Is N6 official server still down?

mental sleet
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I mean, going around looking through your "territory" and hoping to god and jesus christ your prefered prey is there doesn't seem like a good alternative.

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You should not ask that here.

dreamy wharf
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That's why territories don't function like that, unless you mean Bork's thing.

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The idea is that you cover a smaller area instead of wandering, but, you can gain satiation from more things.

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Dietary objectives are mostly outside of territory things in the sense that it isn't affected by territories.

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So if a rex needs to eat hadrosaurs, that's his dietary objective. If he wanted to, he could set up a territory where hadrosaurs eat their specific dietary plants but that's it. You're not being controlled by your territory outside of minor comfort objectives which aren't really 3rd party player reliant.

mental sleet
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Hm, so the territory would serve more like a past time during the downtime between hunting and fighting ?

dreamy wharf
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Sortof. Yes, in the sense that you'll most likely be seeing players scout regions and prep their territory based on their interests before or between hunts. I don't mean that in the sense that you're straight up instantly deploying a territory right before a hunt just to exploit the boost (there's a five min timer in place for something like that ontop of your territory being microscopic at first).

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It's an investment.

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If they choose to settle within an area for whatever reason they want, then they have the opportunity to do so that helps them stay alive.

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Let's use rex as a basic bitch example, if your rex player (andy) find a place that has loads of herbs that are relevant to animals he's comfortable hunting, he can choose to set a territory there and benefit from his patience.

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Likewise, if andy decides to nest and there's a valley with particularly decent traffic, he can do so as well. Not having to rely on very specific animals for satiation that may or may not even be on the server, he's granted the leniency of being able to not instantly starve because of the extra mouthes he has to feed through the extra work.

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If that makes any sense.

mental sleet
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You made the territory mechanic too powerful for it to just be "a choice"

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I'm re-reading, the benefits are enormous.

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not to mention that the "small outline for territory radius" is exploitable, and the entirety of the confrontation mechanics are so unnecessary.

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This is no longer just your territory, it's now basically your fridge, your alarm system, and can quite easily kill you at the same time.

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Anyone who doesn't use it is at a severe downside, but simultaneously, using it can kill you just as easily, both due to rather excessive reasons.

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And I'm just assuming the bare minimum for the benefits you gave the apex in it's turf.

dreamy wharf
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So what would be a solution of yours?

mental sleet
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If you want it to be a choice, cut down on the benefits, or at the very least, ditch the territory radius outline/confrontation mechanics, so that the apex player holding the turf is not at an inherent disadvantage.

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If someone walks on in, have the comfort build-ables with your scent be what they locate first.

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but have those also be rather hidden unless you can specifically smell them.

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(so the random trike/dryo/rat won't see it and just laugh at you and walk off whilst telling the entire discord about it)

dreamy wharf
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In terms of the confrontation things, I'm not really seeing how they're necessarily negative or complicated. The broadcast is something that will probably be changed.

mental sleet
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the territory radius outline is the disadvantage, the roar one is just your early attack system.

dreamy wharf
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Ah.

mental sleet
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alarm*

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basically, imagine you have to go through an area

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but Mr.Douchenugget has a territory

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welp, say goodbye to any ambush ability you had bro.

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the mix-herd potential is also insane, just sacrifice people to one apex and have that serve as your alarm system

dreamy wharf
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Alright, here's a compromise. Rather than a large radius game-y line, how about you those comfort objectives for the territory have more merit? For instance, opposing apex players don't see a flashy line, rather they can smell scent spots and other clear indicators of a territory.

mental sleet
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See, that's fine, as long as THEY are the only one who can smell it

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and the indicators are rather camouflaged.

dreamy wharf
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Yeah

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They're not going to be clear icons lol.

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Rutted on trees.

mental sleet
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I know, just making sure.

dreamy wharf
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Scent markers.

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etc.

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So, to take away the feedback, it's tone down some of the benefits for territories and make the confrontation mechanics more grounded friendly?

mental sleet
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and less "pushy"

dreamy wharf
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Define.

mental sleet
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have it so you can challenge for territory but you are not forced to, an automatic broadcast and increasing scent clouds forces you to fight.

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an increasing*

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english is hard rn.

paper oriole
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@rare pond its bite force is low BECAUSE you aren't supposed to bite prey to death

dreamy wharf
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I feel an automatic broadcast can definitely be thrown off the table, the scent clouds I will not budge from. To prevent players from just being overly friendly to apexes within their territory, there needs to be some sort of serious threat or issue other apexes bring.

mental sleet
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Food.

dreamy wharf
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Not just food.

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And since players can just

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Sit in your territory

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And shrink it.

mental sleet
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have the shrink require action against the existing territory markers.

dreamy wharf
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I don't think it's a good idea to just have apex players not be detectable at all. The huge scent clouds is if they're in there for a significant time.

mental sleet
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so you can sort of cause an engagement if the defending apex wasn't throwing their markers around like a hot potato

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the huge scent cloud just clogs up any ambush potential the attacker might have, which should otherwise be a very valid option.

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As killing the opposing apex is fine in both of our books.

dreamy wharf
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Ah, let me pitch a compromise for ya.

So, instead of it being based on "if there's another apex in your territory, it shrinks" it's more...
Your territory will shrink if an opposing apex actively is sabotaging your territory by taking over individual things.

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Like destroying things or replacing scent markers.

mental sleet
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That would work.

dreamy wharf
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Yeah, the scent cloud only really appears if they're in there for a long time, it's incredibly gradual. If the opposing apex acted fast, he could potentially ambush the residing apex.

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But honestly.

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Apexes are so fucking loud.

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So big.

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I wonder if the footprint thing alone would work, as those are orange and buffed up as well.

rare pond
dreamy wharf
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You can still have an apex that isn't left click = win.

paper oriole
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You are playing deino wrong if you are spam bitinf

dreamy wharf
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Just because it relies on a certain method of hunting, does not mean it suddenly isn't an apex.

paper oriole
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Its bite is trash, you are supposed to lunge at the bank and drown anything smaller than a 70% grown stego

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Assuming you haven't wasted your stam beforehand, your lunge grab is usually a death sentence to what ever it hits

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It's honestly a shame how so many people think something is too weak because it actually has special mechanics it needs to use

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Instead of just spamming bite like legacy rex

dreamy wharf
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It's just old stigmatism I think. We've had a solid six years of things being primarily "LEFT CLICK TO WIN".

paper oriole
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Yeah hopefully people get used to it, so many rex mains coming over and expecting deino to be water rex or something

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Which would be boring as hell

odd sedge
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Deino is fine. It just needs its hitboxes fixed and more, deeper water

rocky aspen
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Deino should be able to bite and stegos head and yank that shit off.

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I mean look at the size of that jaw.. and the size of that head???

dreamy wharf
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They're not really built for pulling or cutting things stupidly well.

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There's definitely something they could use, but, I feel it's best as a sortof tug of war thing which puts that stego in a incredibly vulnerable spot.

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They're giant clamps, why not clamp down certain things if they get too cocky along the water's edge.

rocky aspen
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I don’t expect a deino to literally be able to bite a stegos head off or anything the deino just clearly could do some damage while biting down on the neck, same with the leg since their bite force is so strong. Factors like health, stamina, weight should all contribute to the likeliness of winning in this game of tug of war.

dreamy wharf
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With fractures, you'll most likely see deinos being able to induce some bone busting moves on a stego's legs.

rocky aspen
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Gosh I hope so.

dreamy wharf
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Same.

rocky aspen
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Make it so that they can’t just dodge and quickly run away.

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With the broken hit boxes-

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Well.

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They should be able to dodge and get away, but getting bit once by a croc shouldn’t just be like an ouch that kind of bleeds and then just run away like you weren’t bit by a massive croc.

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Bit down on a Utah’s ankle as even a smaller deino and that Utah’s not going to make it very far from the edge of the water.

dreamy wharf
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I don't think we'll be seeing such massive fracture damage from deinos that the babies will be crippling utahs in one bite.

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But, there's definitely something that needs to be done about the cockiness about things like stego.

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While it's absolutely not a land predator

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Stegos shouldn't be fishing for deinos like they are now.

rocky aspen
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Idk why people decide to grow stegos for 5 hours of their lives only to go and abuse crocodiles for fun.

dreamy wharf
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Because they can easily do so now.

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Which honestly

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Even without buffing deino directly

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If the mapping was better, alot of issues wouldn't be as bad.

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The introduction to small sheer dirt banks would make certain areas completely safe for deinos in shallower water.

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Introducing main river highways that are colossal would be a big improvement too

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Water foliage as well.

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Etc.

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Y'know, like deinosuchus' spawns not being so easily campable because they physically cannot leave if there's something there.

Looking at you, south spawn.

rocky aspen
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With time, I’m afraid..TI_FeelsGoodMan

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Im excited for little places for baby crocs to hide.

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Logs in water, lily pads to hide underneath, aquatic plants and the like.

dreamy wharf
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Oh yeah. Like, if we brought back the actual water grass with the giant lilies baby gators wouldn't be as fucked as they are now.

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Not to mention logs and more hard foliage, ye.

rocky aspen
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They’re free food in the barren mud...

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I like to do a level of realism while playing and just looking under the water takes me out of it.

rocky aspen
dreamy wharf
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Honestly I imagine beipi will be like a bullet in water that can actually maneuvere around.

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So even if he has foliage, he might not absolutely have to use it lmao.

rocky aspen
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That’s very true. imagine being able to store baby beipi’s in a dam like you’re a freaking beaver. You enter in the dam like structure from under the water, or make holes in the side of banks like a muskrat and hide in dens. Or just nests :)) it all excites me.
Also beipi should have the mobility in the water similar to a penguin.

dreamy wharf
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That's what I was sayin', I feel like that'll be the case. A combination of duck and penguin.

rocky aspen
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I love beipi so much..

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Such a simple, terrifying life as a duck thing..

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I’m also excited for austro raptor. Anything with an aquatic swampy lifestyle at this point. Z

dreamy wharf
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Ye

icy lion
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@limpid valve its a bug, not currents

urban flax
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@flat crypt Maybe you shouldn't mix-pack ?

flat crypt
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You can have important info that isn't meant to be beneficial to the other people. Plus herds are a thing

urban flax
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Mix-herding is discouraged too

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You're just not supposed to communicate with other species in this game.

flat crypt
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Which is an absolutely wild take

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Again, I get what they're going for but this is so incredibly out of place for a multiplayer game, regardless of the genre it's trying to fit into

urban flax
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No, it's not. It's a survival game, not an mmorpg. Having inter-species chat is much more out of place.

barren zephyr
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yes

flat crypt
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It's mostly a survival-horror game, but it is still an mmo (just not an mmorpg). MMO just means massively multiplayer online

barren zephyr
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interspecies communication is rare